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BUDGET PROCESS REFORM Y 4. G 74/7: B 85/20 Budget Process Reform 103-2 Hearin.. HEARINGS BEFORE THE LEGISLATION AND NATIONAL SECURITY SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRD CONGRESS SECOND SESSION JUNE 29; AND AUGUST 4, 1994 Printed for the use of the Committee on Government Operations W.. BUDGET PROCESS REFORM HEARINGS BEFORE THE LEGISLATION AND NATIONAL SECURITY SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRD CONGRESS SECOND SESSION JUNE 29; AND AUGUST 4, 1994 Printed for the use of the Committee on Government Operations U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 85-810 CC WASHINGTON : 1995 For sale by the U.S. Government Printing Office Superintendent of Documents, Congressional Sales Office, Washington, DC 20402 ISBN 0-16-046985-6 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS JOHN CONYERS, Jr., Michigan, Chairman CARDISS COLLINS, Illinois WILLIAM F. CLINGER, JR., Pennsylvania HENRY A. WAXMAN, California AL McCANDLESS, California MIKE SYNAR, Oklahoma J. DENNIS HASTERT, Illinois STEPHEN L. NEAL, North Carolina JON L. KYL, Arizona TOM LANTOS, California CHRISTOPHER SHAYS, Connecticut MAJOR R. OWENS, New York STEVEN SCHIFF, New Mexico EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York CHRISTOPHER COX, California JOHN M. SPRATT, JR., South Carolina CRAIG THOMAS, Wyoming GARY A. CONDIT, California ILEANA ROS-LEHTINEN, Florida COLLIN C. PETERSON, Minnesota DICK ZIMMER, New Jersey KAREN L. THURMAN, Florida WILLIAM H. ZELIFF, JR., New Hampshire BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois JOHN M. MCHUGH, New York CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York STEPHEN HORN, California THOMAS M. BARRETT, Wisconsin DEBORAH PRYCE, Ohio DONALD M. PAYNE, New Jersey JOHN L. MICA, Florida FLOYD H. FLAKE, New York ROB PORTMAN, Ohio JAMES A. HAYES, Louisiana CRAIG A. WASHINGTON, Texas BARBARA-ROSE COLLINS,, Michigan BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont CORRINE BROWN, Florida (Independent) MARJORIE MARGOLIES-MEZVINSKY, Pennsylvania LYNN C. WOOLSEY, California GENE GREEN, Texas BART STUPAK, Michigan Julian Epstein, Staff Director FRANK Clemente, Senior Policy Advisor KEVIN Cronin, Associate Counsel Mechita O. CRAWFORD, Staff Assistant MATTHEW R. FLETCHER, Minority Staff Director MONTY TRIPP, Minority Professional Staff LEGISLATION AND NATIONAL SECURITY SUBCOMMITTEE JOHN CONYERS, Jr., Michigan, Chairman CARDISS COLLINS, Illinois AL McCANDLESS, California STEPHEN L. NEAL, North Carolina WILLIAM F. CLINGER, JR., Pennsylvania CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York JON L. KYL, Arizona TOM LANTOS, California DICK ZIMMER, New Jersey CORRINE BROWN, Florida James C. Turner, staff Director (II) CONTENTS Page Hearing held on: June 29, 1994 1 August 4, 1994 245 Statement of: Andrews, Hon. Rob, a Representative in Congress from the State of New Jersey 196 Barca, Hon. Peter, a Representative in Congress from the State of Wis- consin 281 Brewster, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of Oklahoma 213 Castle, Hon. Michael N., a Representative in Congress from the State of Delaware 249 Conyers, Hon. John, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan, and chairman, Legislation and National Security Sub- committee: Opening statement 1 Cox, Hon. Christopher, a Representative in Congress from the State of California 231 Crapo, Hon. Michael D., a Representative in Congress from the State of Idaho 214 Deal, Hon. Nathan, a Representative in Congress from the State of Geor- gia 174 Durbin, Hon. Richard J., a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois 140 Edwards, Hon. Chet, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas 210 Hastert, Hon. J. Dennis, a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois 209 Johnson, Hon. Sam, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas 257 Kasich, Hon. John R., a Representative in Congress from the State of Ohio 104 Klein, Hon. Herb, a Representative in Congress from the State of New Jersey 289 Lewis, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida 354 Mineta, Hon. Norman, a Representative in Congress from the State of California 365 Minge, Hon. David, a Representative in Congress from the State of Min- nesota 275 Obey, Hon. David R., a Representative in Congress from the State of Wisconsin 66 Orion, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of Utah 171 Penny, Hon. Tim, a Representative in Congress from the State of Min- nesota 107 Sabo, Hon. Martin Olav, a Representative in Congress from the State of Minnesota 17 Schumer, Hon. Charles E., a Representative in Congress from the State of New York 220 Stenholm, Hon. Charles W., a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas 109 Synar, Hon. Mike, a Representative in Congress from the State of Okla- homa 356 Traficant, Hon. James, a Representative in Congress from the State of Ohio 378 Walker, Hon. Robert, a Representative in Congress from the State of Pennsylvania 305 Waxman, Hon. Henry A., a Representative in Congress from the State of California 296 Zeliff, Hon. William H., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of New Hampshire 272 (III) IV Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by: Barca, Hon. Peter, a Representative in Congress from the State of Wis- consin: Prepared statement 283 Castle, Hon. Michael N., a Representative in Congress from the State of Delaware: Prepared statement 252 Clinger, Hon. William F., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Pennsylvania: Prepared statements 13, 247 Conyers, Hon. John, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan, and chairman, Legislation and National Security Sub- committee: Opening statement 4 Cox, Hon. Christopher, a Representative in Congress from the State of California: Prepared statement 239 Crapo, Hon. Michael D., a Representative in Congress from the State 217 oi Idaho: Prepared statement Deal, Hon. Nathan, a Representative in Congress from the State of Geor- gia: Prepared statement 176 Durbin, Hon. Richard J., a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois: Prepared statement 152 Harman, Hon. Jane, a Representative in Congress from the State of California: Prepared statement 211 Johnson, Hon. Sam, a Representative in Congress from the State of 259 Texas: Prepared statement Klein, Hon. Herb, a Representative in Congress from the State of New Jersey: Prepared statement 291 Lewis, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida: Prepared statement 355 Mineta, Hon. Norman, a Representative in Congress from the State of California: Prepared statement 368 Minge, Hon. David, a Representative in Congress from the State of Min- nesota: Prepared statement 278 Morella, Hon. Constance A., a Representative in Congress from the State of Maryland: Prepared statement 215 Murtha, Hon. John P., a Representative in Congress from the State of Pennsylvania: Prepared statement 143 Obev, Hon. David R., a Representative in Congress from the State of Wisconsin: Prepared statement 72 Orton, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of Utah: Prepared statement 183 Sabo, Hon. Martin Olav, a Representative in Congress from the State of Minnesota: Prepared statement 23 Shelby, Hon. Richard C, a Senator in Congress from the State of Ala- bama: Prepared statement 232 Stenholm, Hon. Charles W., a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas: Prepared statement Ill Synar, Hon. Mike, a Representative in Congress from the State of Okla- homa: Prepared statement 358 Traficant, Hon. James, a Representative in Congress from the State of Ohio: Prepared statement 380 Walker, Hon. Robert, a Representative in Congress from the State of Pennsylvania: Prepared statement 307 Waxman, Hon. Henry A., a Representative in Congress from the State of California: Information concerning increases in Medicaid 303 Prepared statement 298 Zeliff, Hon. William H., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of New Hampshire: Information concerning pork in the earthquake supplemental 102 Prepared statement 195 APPENDDC Material submitted for the hearing record 401 BUDGET PROCESS REFORM WEDNESDAY, JUNE 29, 1994 House of Representatives, Legislation and National Security Subcommittee of the Committee on Government Operations, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:05 a.m., in room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. John Conyers, Jr. (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Present: Representatives John Conyers, Jr., Carolyn B. Maloney, Al McCandless, and William F. Clinger, Jr. Also present: Representatives Henry A. Waxman, John M. Spratt, Jr., and William H. Zeliff, Jr. Legislation and National Security Subcommittee staff present: James C. Turner, staff director. Full committee staff present: Julian Epstein, staff director; Frank Clemente, senior policy advisor; Kevin H. Cronin, associate counsel; Mechita O. Crawford, staff assistant; and Monty Tripp, mi- nority professional staff. OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN CONYERS Mr. Conyers. The Subcommittee on Legislation and National Se- curity will come to order. Today is the beginning of a series of hearings on budget process reform proposals before the committee, with a number of Members seeking to testify. We have our distinguished chairman of the Budget Committee here already, and so we will make some opening statements and proceed as quickly as we can. The committee will consider the creation of a deficit "lockbox" in which discretionary caps are automatically lowered by the amount of an amendment to reduce spending in a tax or appropriation bill. Other options address spending controls for entitlement pro- grams,