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Second Session - Fortieth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Daryl Reid Speaker Vol. LXV No. 11A - 10 a.m., Tuesday, December 4, 2012 ISSN 0542-5492 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Fortieth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital NDP ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson NDP BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli NDP BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park NDP BRAUN, Erna Rossmere NDP BRIESE, Stuart Agassiz PC CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East NDP CHIEF, Kevin, Hon. Point Douglas NDP CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan NDP CROTHERS, Deanne St. James NDP CULLEN, Cliff Spruce Woods PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FRIESEN, Cameron Morden-Winkler PC GAUDREAU, Dave St. Norbert NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Liberal GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC HOWARD, Jennifer, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Richmond NDP JHA, Bidhu Radisson NDP KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Swan River NDP LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. Dawson Trail NDP MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns NDP MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor, Hon. Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel NDP MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East PC NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake NDP OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River NDP PALLISTER, Brian Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PETTERSEN, Clarence Flin Flon NDP REID, Daryl, Hon. Transcona NDP ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Kewatinook NDP RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia NDP ROWAT, Leanne Riding Mountain PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron St. Paul PC SELBY, Erin, Hon. Southdale NDP SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin NDP SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto NDP TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris PC WHITEHEAD, Frank The Pas NDP WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WIGHT, Melanie Burrows NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC 349 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Tuesday, December 4, 2012 The House met at 10 a.m. reform plans to eliminate unnecessary regulations and encourage restraint in making new regulations. Mr. Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Both the government procedures and department Whom all power and wisdom come, we are plans must be made public. assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our And, Mr. Speaker, there's–there–is–been many, province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that many requests for this type of a bill. And it's a bill we may desire only that which is in accordance with that I think is long overdue in the province of Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom, and Manitoba. There are currently tens of thousands of know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for provincial regulations in place in Manitoba. Many of the glory and honour of Thy name and for the them are redundant as we speak today, and many of welfare of all our people. Amen. them are costly with no financial benefits. As a result, the normal small business owner in Manitoba Good morning, everyone. Please be seated. spends 10 hours of his time each month complying ORDERS OF THE DAY with government regulations. That's nearly a full workday for most small business owners. It's not PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS quite a full business day for them small owners, as Mr. Kelvin Goertzen (Official Opposition House you know quite well that 10 hours is a very small day Leader): Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker. for entrepreneurs. I seek leave of the House to move directly to But let me tell you that these entrepreneurs are Bill 201, The Regulatory Accountability and frustrated with this time spent. Every time they turn Transparency Act, sponsored by the honourable around, their government-related costs go up and member for Emerson. more regulations are introduced. And since this bill was last introduced, Mr. Speaker, the NDP have Mr. Speaker: Is there leave of the House to proceed hiked the costs on business exponentially. First, they directly to Bill 201? [Agreed] broke their election promises that they had made and SECOND READINGS–PUBLIC BILLS raised the taxes by $184 million on key business goods and services like gasoline, property taxes, also Mr. Speaker: We'll now call Bill 201, The on insurance, property insurance and private Regulatory Accountability and Transparency Act. insurance, which has raised the $184 million for their Bill 201–The Regulatory Accountability coffers which we aren't seeing a benefit for. They and Transparency Act also raised their user fees on basic government services by $114 million. Mr. Cliff Graydon (Emerson): Mr. Speaker, I move, plus seconded by the member for Morris Then, Manitoba Hydro tried to raise hydro rates (Mrs. Taillieu), that the Bill 201, The Regulatory and did and were successful in raising the hydro rates Accountability and Transparency Act, now be read a 3.5 per cent, Mr. Speaker, and with the projection of second time and be referred to a committee of the doing that for the next 20 years to pay for their ill- House. conceived west-side line and developing some power that they don't have a market for. It–there's no Motion presented. business plan that would–that's been presented to the Mr. Graydon: Mr. Speaker, it gives me great Province of Manitoba at any time to back up their pleasure today to stand in this House and present this rate hikes and no other business plan that they speak bill. of and the customers that they speak of–the ghost customers that they talk about. The background for the bill is clear, Mr. Speaker. The bill requires the government to develop Education property taxes have skyrocketed as a formal procedure to make the process for enacting well. If these tax hikes were not enough, Mr. regulations more transparent. It is also–requires Speaker, the NDP fiddled with the PST remittance government departments to develop regulatory program–or system, and the changes were supposed 350 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA December 4, 2012 to help small business. What it did, it was–what it the red tape that we're faced with today. There is no did do, it created a hidden tax that has put millions of yardstick for that and nor does our current dollars into the government coffers. Did nothing for government at this point want to address that. It's the small businesses; no benefit again. It's no wonder unfortunate, because it is a low-cost way of reducing that small business confidence in Manitoba has our deficit. There is no question about that. been falling. Since the NDP were re-elected, the * (10:10) CFIB Manitoba Business Barometer has fallen almost 10 per cent. Manitoba has the second-lowest The regulatory burden is the highest to the small business optimism in Canada. It has the lowest businesses, which pay almost five times more per business optimism in western Canada. This cash grab employee than their large counterparts that comply by the NDP is money that could be better used by with government regulation, and I'm sure that you business–money that could otherwise go towards can understand that. According to the CFIB, hiring other employees, providing better wages or 23 per cent of small business owners are spending reinvesting in their business so that they become more than six hours a week dealing with government more competitive in Canada as well as in the world. regulations. Reducing the regulatory burden would make Manitoba businesses more competitive and This is–according to a recent Canadian would encourage businesses to set up offices in Federation of Independent Business report, Manitoba, rather than not be in Manitoba at all. Prosperity Restricted by Red Tape, the total cost of regulation to Manitoba businesses is $945 million The bill also requires the government to develop annually. Almost a billion dollars is being wasted in formal procedures to make the process for enacting the province of Manitoba that could be invested in regulations more transparent. It has also–requires retooling our businesses to be more competitive that government departments to develop regulatory they would be hiring more people that we wouldn't reform plans to eliminate unnecessary regulations have an outward migration year after year since–like and encourage restraint making new regulations. we have experienced. Since 1999, we've had an Both the government procedures and departmental outward migration every year out of the province of plans must be made public. Manitoba–the only province in Canada that holds Mr. Speaker, there is a number of things that the that deplorable record. Twenty-two per cent said that minister–that could change–that would make things they had known about–if they'd known about the better in Manitoba: an assessment of–for–of the need burden of regulation, they may not have gone into of the proposed regulations with a 'biew' to avoiding business in the first place. Eighty per cent of the duplication–that would be a starting point: an respondents to the prosperity restricted red tape analysis of alternatives; a study of the economic report said that simplifying existing regulations impact of the proposed regulation, including an would help their businesses better comply with the analysis of its effect on provincial competitiveness regulations. and how compliance costs can be minimized; And so, Mr. Speaker, when we're in the difficult confirmation that public consultation has occurred– times that we are today throughout the world–we it's important that the people that we are going to have some economic challenges in many, many parts make the laws for have an opportunity to invest in of the world–some of the simplest ways to bring our their time and their energy in those; an estimate of province into line in its budget would be to get rid of the time and cost required for implementation– some of the regulations that are redundant.