S t e M diw in, Vol XHI-No. a s X7 tli March 1 9 5 i ( N l m & * y )
LOK SABHA DEBATES
(Vol. X 1J1 contains Nos. 2 1 — 3 0 )
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI
82 XL P. (BUD) Tans sxiLUvaa ( vohemm ) CONTENTS
C olum ns Oral Answers to Questions— Starred* Questions Nos. 986,988 to 994,996 to 998 and 1001 to 1 0 0 6 ...... 5109—46
Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 987, 995, 999,1000 and 1007 to 1016 . 5146—53 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1325 to 1346 and 1348 to 1379 . 5 J 53— 89
Papers laid on the T a b l e ...... 5189-90
Messages from Rajya S a b h a ...... 519091
President’s assent to Bills...... 5191
Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance—
Stateless persons o f Indian originin Ceylon 5 , 9 I_9 2
General Budget— General D iscu ssion...... 5193— 5 3 12 Pandit Brij Narayan “ Brijesh” ...... 5193— 5203 Shri A.C. G u h a ...... 5203— 12 Shri Rajagopala Rao ...... 5212— 17 Shri Kami Singhji...... 5217—22 Shri P a r u l e k a r ...... 5222—30 Kumari M. V e d a k u m a r i ...... 5230—37 Shri Radhelal V y a s ...... 523 7~ 44 Shri H e d a ...... 5244— 49 Raja Mahendra P r a t a p ...... 5249 —5 1 Shri Manabendra S h a h ...... 525 l—62 Shri Shree Narayan D a s ...... 5262—69 Pandit K.C. S h a r m a ...... 5269—76 Shri Siddananjappa ...... 5276—80 Shri P.R. P a t e l ...... 5280— 86 Shri B.R. B h a g a t ...... 52« 7~ 53°4 Shri Braj Raj S i n g h ...... 5305— 12
Business Advisory Committee— Twenty-First R e p o r t ...... 5312 Daily D i g e s t ...... 53!3-—18 ♦The sign+ marked above a name indicates that the question was actually gsked on the floor of the House by that Member. LOK SABHA DEBATES
5 Jo 9 5110 LOK SABHA Shri M. M. Das: Definite information is not at my disposal at present. But Monday, 17tK March, 1958 I think some amount has been spent for meeting the expenditure for the advertisement of the post of Director and there may be some expenditure The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the for holding the meetings of the sub Clock. committee.
[M r . S pe a k e r in the Chair] Shri S. C. Samanta: In Bangalore, there is one wind tunnel already. ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS May I know why money has been allotted for another one? National Aeronautical Research Shri M. M. Das: There is one wind Laboratory tunnel in the Bangalore Institute of Science which was constructed per + haps two years back. But the tunnel / Shri s * c * Samanta: * \ Shri Subodh Hansda: which has been proposed to be cons tructed here will be of a different Will the Minister of Education and kind. It is a Transonic Supersonic Scientific Research be pleased to state: Wind Tunnel. Shri Jaipal Singh: May I know whe (a) whether the proposal for estab ther in this laboratory, research will lishment of the National Aeronautical also be made in psychology and Research Laboratory has been psychiatry so far as it will relate to approved by the Board and Governing aeronautical personnel and if the ans Body of the Council of Scientific and wer be in the affirmative, may I know Industrial Research; whether there is any co-ordination with the reasearch that is now being (b) if so, what steps have so far done by the Ministry of Defence? been taken for its establishment and the progress made upto date; and Shri M. M. Das: The details have .not yet been drawn up. The hon. (c) what would be the recurring Member will kindly realise that we and non-recurring expenditure, if have got no experts in this country. any? At any rate there are very few of The Deputy Minister of Education them and we want a well-qualified and Scientific Research (Shri M. M. Director first who will go through th« Das): (a): Yes, Sir. whole scheme and give his sugges tions. According to those suggestions, (b) and (c). A statement giving the everything will be done. required information is laid on the Shri Jaipal Singh: In view of the Table of the House. [See Appendix confession or admission, whatever it V, annexure No. 46]. is, made by the hon. Minister that Shri S. C. Samanta: From the state there are no experts in this country, ment I find that Rs. 1,05,000 have been may I know if it is contemplated by sanctioned for 1957-58. May I know Government to bring forth experts whether the whole amount has been from abroad and if so, from which spent? country? 51 it Ora) Anatom* 17 MARCH 1958 Oral Aim rer* 5x1a
Shri M. M. Dm : We have made ad i m 5TST *«rf vertisements for the Director. Let us see from where the experts will be % fiw itnfrr t?t, ’Bftr 3ft f w r available. Shri Tangamani: In reply to the first ?t
bean made In Implementing them? 1 (b) A summary of the important do not know whether my hon. friend decisions taken by the Council is laid was referring to the further rules on the table of the House. [See Ap ■ made in order to amend the earlier pendix V, annexure No. 47] rules. Whatever it is, what is the progress that has been made in order Shri D. C. Sharma: May 1 know if to give relief to these tenants? the Ministry has evolved any machi nery for the implementation of the Strdar Majithla: Probably my hon. decisions that are taken at these zonal friend is under a misapprehension. council meetings and if so, what is They are not agricultural lands; the nature of that machinery? these are lands in the cantonment civil areas where buildings are there. The Minister of Home Affairs (Pandit G. B. Pant): The decisions Shri Banga: But even then? are taken in the Council unanimously Barter Majithla: For those lands by the members. Nothing is decided we have decided to change the leases there merely by the rule of majority from the old perpetual lease to new and when the members or Govern leases, and we have to have quite a ments of the States concerned agree lot of discussion in the two different to an arrangement, then they give types of cases, one in the civil areas effect to it. and the other in the military areas. Shri D. C. Sharma: In the statement The lands in the military areas are • it is said: “The Council considered possibly needed for future military the recommendation of the States Re needs and their leases will have to be organisation Commission for the different from those which are in the appointment of one-third of the num civil areas. We have already passed ber of High Court Judges from out* orders that the lands in the civil areas side a State.” May I know if this should be transferred to those fellows matter was only considered or any by the cantonment executive officer. decision taken on it, and if so what was its nature? *o * 0 : VT % 3T* 4' Pandit G. B. Pant: You may call it a ifw eT? *rfaf?r # srt th t ^ *tt decision, or you may call it a general f^anr ftrqT w % m ? approval of the recommendation made by the States Reorganisation Commis Sardar Majithla: Certainly it was sion. It was the view that it would considered and it is because of that be desirable to have some Judges in that we are following this policy. every High Court from other States in the zone. Central Zonal Cornell Shri Vajpayee: May I know if the ■4- question of starting joint police opera fShrl D. C. Sharma: tions against the dacoits now active *9881 ■{ Shri V. C. Shukla: on the borders of the two States was l^Shrl Vajpayee: discussed, and if so, with what results Will the Minister of Home Affairs Pandit G. B. Pant: The States con be pleased to state: cerned agreed to adopt vigorous mea (a) when the second meeting of the sures to get rid of the dacoits and Central Zonal Council was held; and their depredations. (b) the decisions taken thereat? Shri Mahanty: May I know whether The Minister of State In the Minis the creation of an inter-zonal police try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): (a) force was considered at this meeting, The second meeting of the Council was and if so, whether the attention of held on 4th January, 1958. the Government has been drawn to 5*^5 Oral Answer* 17 MARCH 1958 Oral A nsw ers 5116 the criticism that the creation of an of Police of the States concerned were inter-zonal police force is a further formed to examine this question. onslaught on the States’ autonomy? If so, what are the reactions of the International Geophysical Tear Government? + Pandit G. B. Pant: There 8re so f Shri Naushlr Bharueha: many “if sos" that I have not been *999. J Shri Ghoaal: able to follow the question. There (_Shri B. Daa Gupta: seem to be three or four questions wrapped in one. Will the Minister of Education and Scientific Research be pleased to state Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister may whether it is a fact that under the answer whichever he likes. arrangements for pooling Scientific results and knowledge acquired dur Pandit G. B. Pant: I have not caught ing the International Geophysical even one of them. Year, India expects to receive or dis seminate information on cosmic rays? Mr. Speaker: Then, Shri Tyagi. May 1 know from the hon. Minister The Deputy Minister of Education who presides over the zonal meetings and Scientific Research (Shri M. ML whether the decisions of the zonal Das): Yes, Sir. councils are not published? Shri Naushlr Bharucha: May I Pandit G. B. Pant: They are sent know whether any time-limit has only to the States concerned. been set for exchange of information Mr. Speaker: If they are published, collected by either the satellites of the they must be available to the hon. U.S. or the U.S.S.R.? Members also here. Shri M. M. Das: No time limit has Pandit G. B. Pant: Well, we have been set, but I think that after the not so far thought of publishing them end of the Geophysical Year, that is in that manner, but we will give 31st December, 1958, it will be sent thought to that suggestion. to the different countries which desire to have it in due time. Shri Tyagi: Are the decisions of the zonal councils final in themselves, or Shri Ghosal: May I know if any of do the Central Government sit over our scientists were invited to join the them to make final orders? Commonwealth team? Pandit G. B. Pant: As a rule, they Shri M. M. Das: There is no Com are final in themselves because they monwealth team. Seventy countries deal with matters concerning the of the world are participating in the States, and seldom with matters con International Geophysical Year activi cerning the Centre. ties.
Shri Mahanty: May I know whether urifo m it was decided at this zonal council meeting to create inter-zonal police ¥To TT* : WT forces, and if so . . . . fWTT ^ 3RTR fa : Mr. Speaker: There is no question of “if so”. (v ) WT w* $ f r ^ SRft 5 ^ ^ *1^ ^ Pandit G. B. Pant: It was decided that the question of having a common $ ^ ^ ^ arafa reserve police force for the various TFRT T O R vt V9^0 States comprised in a zone should be considered, and committees mainly t ; consisting of the Inspectors-General Oral Annoert 17 MARCH 1958 Oral A n n oert 5118
( * ) ^ ft, Shri Ranga: That is more than what yo« pay to the peasant. writa % w **ptt «rtt t«r % Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: The hon. W T ®PTT®r f ? Deputy Minister said that they charge excise duty, and the excise duty is fim («ft wo t t o w w ? r) : Rs. 250 per seer, and the price which ( * ) tft fT I TOTT the Central Government pays to the ^ qter grower is Rs. 33 per seer, whereas the price charged___ w rcrt w i t *n>ta srfteft % Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member is T F R T ^ *rf*PF *TT— arguing. 5f t *n?r
w n w w - ^ F t t ^ w t t t ^ t ^ r m x t Mr. Speaker: Anything in addition to excise duties? « f t h i w *r t^r #w snre | 1 The Prime Minister and Minister of Some hon. Members: English. External Affairs and Finance (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru): The policy in re Mr. Speaker: Yes. gard to opium cannot be judged as il Shri B. R. Bhagat: (a) Yes, Sir. it was any normal commodity. We Raw opium is purchased by the Cent are trying to put an end to opium ral Government from the poppy culti consumption. In fact, by an inter vators at the rate of Rs. 33 per seer, national agreement, all opium culti while the State Governments sell the vation, except for medicinal purposes, processed opium at higher prices which will end by the 31st March, 1959. vary from State to State. Therefore, both as a check on con sumption and in order to make money, (b) The difference between the pur that is by the States, they charge high chase and sale prices represents the prices for it. The price has no relation excise duty on opium which is a legi to the cost of production. It is quite timate source of revenue for the State independent of it. Governments. Some Hon. Members rose— Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: Is it true that the State Governments of Assam Mr. Speaker: Next question. and West Bengal sell opium at the rate of Rs. 2,000 and Rs. 1,500 per seer in Amalgamation of Small Collieries Assam and West Bengal? And as the hon. Deputy Minister said, the Central *992. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: Will the Government which has the monopoly Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel be of purchasing opium from the culti pleased to state: vators, pays only Rs. 33 per seer. (a) at what stage is the examina Shri B. R. Bhagat: It is true that tion of the details of the Report of the the State Governments who get opium Expert Committee on the Amalgama from the Central Government at a tion of Small Collieries; and price which meets the cost price plus (b) when action will be initiated on something, sell at a higher rate, but the recommendations? as far as our information goes, the selling price varies from Rs. 300 to The Minister of Steel, Mines and Rs. 800 per seer from State to State. Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): (a) and I am not aware of the price of (b ). No final decision has yet been Rs. 2,000. taken. 51X9 Oral A nsw ers IT MARCH 19tt Oral A nsw ers 5120
Shri T. B. Vittel R » : The Govern Sardar Swaran Singh: Actually, ment stated nearly three months ago, most of these areas occur in the that is after the report had been Bengal-Bihar area, and we cannot received more than a year ago, that confine to one region. A decision has they had accepted in principle the re to be taken which could be implement commendations of the Committee. ed all over. May I know what is preventing initia tion of action for this amalgamation Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: May I know of collieries? when a firm decision in this regard is likely to be taken? Sardar Swaran Singh: Working out the details as to what should be the Sardar Swaran Singh: It will take limit of the area, what should be the some time. monthly production in any particular Shri V. P. Nayar: What is that ‘some unit and what should be the actual time'? mechanism that should be set up to work out the decisions which may be Shri Tangamani: Nearly two and a taken with regard to that. half years have passed. Shri T. B. Vittal Kao: The Committee New Hindi Grammar recommended that the mines produc ing less than 10,000 tons a month and *993. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will having a mining lease of less than 100 the Minister of Education and acres should all be amalgamated. Am Scientific Research be pleased to state I to understand from the reply of the whether a demand has been voiced Minister that the Government have in South India that a new grammar not accepted that particular recom be prepared to meet the situation in mendation of the experts committee? which Hindi may function as a national language? Sardar Swaran Singh: 1 think the hon. Member is entitled to presume The Minister of State in the Minis that no final decision has been taken ter of Education and Scientific Re as to whether the limit which has search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): Yes, Sir. been given there is acceptable to Gov ernment or not. fa? : y *ft*T *rm *tt Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: The Commit tee envisaged the appointment of an ssiTfrw w w r *r?rravr Amalgamation Committee to expedite f 2 R T T T o T V frr SPTPT this amalgamation. May I know whe ther that particular committee has * ? been appointed pending legislation in Dr. K. L. Shrimali: I would like to this regard? inform the hon. Member that this Sardar Swaran Singh: Actually that question has been under considera will be a Commission which will be tion. In fact, even before the sug constituted to implement the decisions gestion was made, the Ministry has when they are finalised. If no final already undertaken the preparation decision with regard to either the area of a basic grammar. That grammar or the production limit has been will be published during the course of taken, the Commission cannot start this month, and I am quite sure that action. it would be useful for people In South India. Shri Tangamani: This expert com mittee’s recommendation was made as Shri Tyagi: Is it also under the early as November, 1956. May I consideration of the Ministry of Edu know whether at least one or two cation to stop declension of verbs, particular areas have been considered adjectives, adverbs etc. along with for the amalgamation of these small having a change in the gender of the collieries? subject of the sentence? Orel Answ ers 17 MARCH 1B58 Oral Answers 5m
Dr. K. L. Shrimali: X am quite sure await the publication el the book, that when this new primer is publish which is expected to come out during ed, hon. Members will find every the course of this month. satisfaction. After all, this is a mat ter for experts. Shri Supakar: What about the three s’s?
*0 m ° far*# : wr # Shri Tangamani: May I know ■y+df |jf whether this grammar is meant only for the whole of the south or whether Mr. Speaker: Are we going into it is meant for the Hindi-speaking the details of the sutrast and non-Hindi-speaking areas? Shri M. L. Dwivedi: I am not going into the details. Dr. K. L. Shrimali: It is meant pri marily for the non-Hindi-speaking areas. JT 5TPRT w r r g % fa«T The Deputy Minister of Fhumce Northern Zonal Connell (Shri B. R. Bhagat): No, Sir. + rshri Vajpayee: Sardar Iqbal Singh: w r —^hfttnr fryv Shri D. C. Sharma: Shri Ram Krishan: q f i iw : w r *£-»ur* Shri Hem Baraa: Shrimati Ha Palchondhnri: *Pft WTTPT * t FTT «P$T fa : Will the Minister of Home Affairs be pleased to state: (* ) fffTPre *&T * % (nin»c wrf ^ h <,Htf (a) whether the third meeting of the Northern Zonal Council was held ( « ) aft I (c) The proceedings of the meeting nave not been received so far from the Zonal Council Secretariat. A (*T) «T53T I summary of the important decisions taken by the Council will be laid on the table of the House as soon as «rt iw : tot * w s w r possible. g fa, WSrfrpT STcMrrc Shri Hem Barna: May I know TRtrr Tf 5T | ?rk fa Shri Datar: Government are aware The Minister of Home Affairs of the difficulties caused by land (Pandit G. B. Pant): I do not know slides almost every year, and that is what the Inspector-General of Police the reason why there are two propo has to do with the man-power posi sals before Government, one, to con tion of the country. I am not aware struct a road higher up the present of the connection between the two. road, and the other, is to construct a bridge and take a road across the Shri Hem Barna: X was referring to river. the zonal police. Oral Answers 17 MARCH 1958 Oral Answers 5126 Pandit G. B. Put: So far as the * 3ITT v t jpT TTJf : ^ ? T % 3TT# # $, ^ ^ t, W ffa TTC?t STTCTpft % =5rr^ % ^ ^ «rr f v % 5arwFT ^t ?rflr ?; i * f t 3f t ( { W i m T r f^ rr frnrr Mr. Speaker: I would suggest that 3tr f^n i hereafter such questions ought to be V* % f a # |*T T T * : *PTT # 3*T * a rt P b t g r a R ; « t k t o t ^ r t r r f come into the picture. ^ r n n f t ? Mr. Speaker: I agree, but not all Mr. Speaker: They can be discuss Kerala Education Bill ed. Shri M. L. Dwivedi: The discussion Shri Vasudevan Nair: in the Zonal Council is a matter with Shri V. C. Shukla: respect to which this House has the Shri N. B. Manisamy: right to ask questions. Shri Mohan Swarup: Shri D. C. Sharma: *998. Shri Heda: Mr. Speaker: This House has ho Shri Warior: right unless it relates to a component Shri A. K. Gopalan: part over which this House has juris Shri Punnoose: diction as, for instance, Himachal Shri Vajpayee: Pradesh. Shri Wodeyar: So far as Himachal Pradesh is con Will the Minister of Home Affairs cerned, I can understand. But, take be pleased to state: for instance, other Zonal Councils, (a) when the Central Government say, the Southern Zonal Council. This received the Kerala Education Bill, matter may be raised in each of the 1957 for obtaining the Assent of the legislatures of the component States. President; and Merely because an hon. Minister goes (b) at what stage the matter is at from here, we are not clothed with present? jurisdiction over these matters. The Minister of State in the Minis try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: These (a) The Bill was received on the 4th are questions of inter-State import October 1957. ance. (b) A reference is being made to the Supreme Court. Mr. Speaker: But not connected with the Centre. Rajasthan and Pun Shri Vasudeven Nair: Which are the jab are not the Centre’s concern in specific points of fact or law that are this matter. being referred to the Supreme Court? The Minister of Home Affairs Shri WaH«h Chandra Mathur: The (Pandit G. B. Pant): There are certain question is concerned with inter-State matters which seem to impinge on the affairs. Inter-State affairs can only be Constitution and with regard to which discussed here. They cannot be dis the Ministry of Law and the Attor cussed in a particular State. ney-General are agreed that certain clauses oflend certain other clauses of Mr. Speaker: All right, I will the Constitution. So it was consider consider this anyhow. ed desirable to refer the matter to the Supreme Court instead of withhold ing the assent of the President. aft tnnr : : snarer *r?rte*r( Shri Vasudeven Nair: Some months ffRrpFT sr^r ^rr % £ 1 back the Prime Minister stated in a press conference that the Bill was being referred to the Supreme Court in order to avoid litigation by private W SffiT ?TRT ^ T f^ r I V parties in the future. Is it not a fact *ftr srfsPF SFSftfcft T’TTS 5T?ft ^'TT I that private parties still can contest the Bill in the Supreme Court after I will consider this question • of this? inter-State affairs and how far we shall exercise jurisdiction over that Pandit G. B. Pant: Whether private matter. parties could do so or not, the question Oral A nsw ers 17 MARCH 1958 Oral Answers 5130 that had to be considered was, whe Court instead of treating the advice ther the Bill which according to ex received from other quarters as final pert legal advice, offended the provi and withholding assent completely. sions of the Constitution, should be Shri H. N. Mukerjee: May I know assented to by the President. He can if it is Government’s intention gene not, knowing that a Bill offends the rally to refer to the Supreme Court provisions of the Constitution, give his social legislation of a progressive and, assent to it. But it was considered therefore, necessarily controversial, advisable to consult the Supreme character? If not, why in the case of Court before reaching any final deci the Kerala Education Bill an apparent sion on the matter. It serves as a ly discriminatory course which en safeguard to the State concerned. courages vested interests has beer, taken? Shri Easwara Iyer: I want to know Mr. Speaker: It is a hypothetical the reason why the Andhra State question. It need not be answered. Education Bill, which also contained The hon. Minister has just now said similar provisions, was not submitted that according to legal advise tender to the Supreme Court for their expert ed to the President or the Govern opinion, as in this case. ment, there are some provisions of the Bill which are inconsistant with other Pandit G. B. Pant: I do not know if provisions of the Constitution. It is on the Andhra Bill and this Bill are that ground that reference has been exactly alike. Perhaps they are not. made. There is no imputation allow ed. The insinuation here is that a'.l progressive legislation is to be put an Shri V. P. Nayar: Is it a fact that end to and, therefore, he wants an the draft Bill was discussed by the answer from the Minister that he is Kerala Government with the Central not a progressive Minister. Education Ministry in all its detailes and that the Bill, as it has been passed Shri Jinachandran: May I know by the Legislature of Kerala, is not whether the Education Minister wel different from the draft which was comed reference of the Bill to th« discussed and approved by the Central Supreme Court and then withdrew, Government? If so, what is the reason after pressure from the Communist why this belated wisdom has come to Party? the Government to refer it to the Supreme Court? Pandit G. B. Pant: I am not aware of that. Pandit G. B. Pant: There were per Shri Tangamani: May I know whe haps discussions in the Education ther any of the Bills passed by variou' Ministry, and there was also corres other Legislatures have been similarly pondence between the Central Gov referred to the Supreme Court durin ernment and the Kerala Government. 1957? But certain points which were raised in the course of the discussions or cor Pandit G. B. Pant: I have received, respondence were not met. It was a number of Bills from the Kerala considered necessary and appropriate, Government and have obtained tht when the Bill was received and exa- assent of the President, and often com mined by the Education Ministry, the municated that assent telegraphically Law Ministry and the Attorney-Gene to the Kerala Government. ral, that the matter should be referred to the Supreme Court. The President Shri Tangamani: My question is has the authority to withhold assent different. I want to know whether altogether. But it was felt that in this any Bill received from other States particular case, it would be advisable has been referred to the Supreme to obtain the views of the Supreme Court 513X Oral A nsioers 17 MARCH 1958 Oral A nsw ers 5132 Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Hon. Mr. Speaker: Shri Mukerjee forgets Members may be interested in it. So that if the hon. Minister had given the I allowed opportunities. But hon. least hint or created a suspicion that Members must address supplemen- because it is of a controversial nature taries which are relevant. Generally, and because it comes from a Com unless there is a conflict of opinion munist Government, he is trying to regarding this matter, that particular make a discrimination, I would have provisions offend the Constitution, allowed the hon. Member to pursue what is the need to refer? this matter. But he definitely said that some provisions of the Bill offended Therefore, have you referred any some provisions of the Constitution, other! Why did you arrest X? Be* and it was on that and that ground cause he committed theft. If others alone that the reference was meC.c have not committed theft, why did How does the other matter—are you you not arrest them, the 360 millions! opposed to progressive legislation at How does this arise? The hon. Mem all?—arise? bers are all lawyers, but unfortunately they are not applying the test of re Some Hon. Members rose— levancy here when asking questions. Mr. Speaker: I have allowed suffi Shri BL N. Mukerjee: The relevancy cient supplementaries. Next qutslion. arises in this way . . . Photographs for Voters Shri Tangamani: It is perfectly re levant. During 1957, a Bill which was passed by one State Legislature has *1001. Shri Ghosal: Will the Minis now been referred to the Supreme ter of Law be pleased to state: Court. I want to know for the sake of information whether any such Bill (a) whether there is any proposal from any other State has similarly under consideration regarding inser been referred to the Supreme Court tion of photographs in the voters' list; during this period. and Mr. Speaker: It is clear that no such Bill has been referred. (b) if so, whether any final deci sion has been taken in this regard? Shri V. P. Nayar: How is it clear? Mr. Speaker: Because he did not The Deputy Minister of Law (Shri answer that question. Hajarnavis): (a) No proposal for the insertion of photographs in the voters* Shri V. P. Nayar: Now it is clear. list is under consideration. A sugges tion has, however, been made that if Shri H. N. Mukerjee: As far as we identity cards with photographs are know, this is the first instance of the. given to voters at the time of regis reference to the Supreme Court prior tration and required to be produced by to the giving of assent by the Presi them at the time of voting, it would dent to a particular legislation, because effectively avoid all possibility of im it happens to be controversial, be personation. This suggestion is being cause it is likely to cause litigation in considered in consultation with the future. If that be so, we want to Election Commission. know if it is Government’s intention generally in regard to controversial legislation—at least in the opinion of (b) Not yet. Government—to do this kind of thing. Otherwise, this seems rather discrimi Some Hon. Members: We could not natory. hear. 4(133 Oral An*u>*rs 17 MARCH 1958 Oral Answers 5*34 Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister Shri Hajamavis: The complaints must read more slowly and clearly. were received from industrial areas The House has not yet subsided after and urban areas and fewer complaints the general upheaval caused by the from the rural areas. previous question. Shri Jaipal Singh: Have Govern The hon. Minister may read the ment devised some method whereby answer again. people who are not photogenic would be protected from this photograph Shri Hajama vis: (a) No proposal business? for the insertion of photographs in the voters’ list is under consideration. Shri Hajamavis: I have, not follow A suggestion has, however, been made ed the question. that if identity cards with photo graphs are given to voters at the time Mr. Speaker: Some people may be of registration and required to be against taking photos. produced by them at the time of vot Shri Jaipal Singh: The hon. Minister ing, it would effectively avoid all possi said that this would avoid any form bility of impersonation. This sugges of impersonation. I humbly suggest tion is being considered in consultation that some people are photogenic, with the Election Commission. others are not. What about persons (b) Not yet. who are not photogenic? Shri Ghosal: Is it a fact that in Shri Hajamavis: That part of the some constituencies of West Bengal question will also be considered. the photos of voters were taken in Calcutta? Shri Heda: May I know whether the West Bengal Government which gave Shri Hajamavis: I am not aware this suggestion has also accepted to that it has been done .so far. share the expenditure; and, if so, whmt is the proportion? Shri Ranga: May I knQW who made this suggestion and why is it that Shri Hajamavis: They have ex Government have thought it fit to pressed their willingness to share part consider this particular suggestion in of the expenses. view of the obvious difficulties that would have to be met with in regard Shri Tyagi: After the identification to finances etc.? cards proposal is accepted, do Gov ernment intend to do away with the Shri Hajamavis: All those difficul idea of maintaining a regular list of ties which would arise in implement voters because that becomes unneces ing the suggestion are being exa sary? mined by the Election Commission. Shri Hajamavis: As against the Shri Ranga: The first part of my name, all the other details and the question has not been answered, Sir. photograph would be there. Who made this suggestion and why is it that Government has given so much Consolidation of Loans te States importance to it? Shri Hajamavis: The suggestion was + received from the Government of fShrl Blmal Ghose: West Bengal. *1992. ^ Shrimati Renuka Ray: ('Shri Panlgrahl: Shri Blmal Ghose: May I know whe Will the Minister of Finance be ther the proposal is in regard to elec pleased to state: tion in both rural and urban areas or whether it is in regard to election in (a) whether Government had inti urban areas only? mated to the State Governments their 5135 O'*1* Annocra 17 MARCft 1958 Oral Answer* 5x36 acceptance of the Second Finance mendations were first accepted, to Commission's recommendations relat necessitate their subsequent cancel ing to rationalisation and consolida lation? tion of loans and subsequently cancel led this order; and Shri B. R. Bhagat: It had already (b) if so, the reasons therefor? been explained by the Finance Minis ter on the 12th December, that it The Deputy Minister of Finance might seriously jeopardise the (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) and (b). As Centre’s ability to finance the States explained by the Finance Minister in in respect of capital needs during the his speech in the Lok Sabha on 12th immediate future and also during the December, 1957, while moving for con Third Five Year Plan. This and the sideration the Union Duties of Excise spccial problem of settling the terms (Distribution) Bill and the Estate of repayment, all these, w ere new Duty and Tax on Railway Passenger considerations which led to the re Fares (Distribution) Bill this parti consideration of this. cular recommendation required fur ther consideration. Government’s Shri Panigrahi: May I know whe final conclusions on this subject are ther any of the State Governments contained in the statement laid on has again asked the Centre to recon the table of the House on the 14th sider this matter? March. Shri B. R. Bhagat: The new pro Shri Bimal Ghose: May I submit posals about this matter which have that the answer to my question is not been laid on the Table of the House given because my question was on the 14th March, have been arrived whether Government had first inti at in consultation with the Planning mated the State Governments accept Commission; and the State Govern ing the proposal and then, subse ments have been informed about quently, cancelled their first order? these proposals. It is yet time that they may express their views, if Shri B. R. Bhagat: A reference was they have any. also made to that in the speech of the Finance Minister on the 12th Decem ber, 1957. Shri A. C. Guha: I find that a Press communique was issued by Govern Shri Bimal Ghose: The Finance ment accepting the recommendations Minister stated that it would be con of the Finance Commission including sidered. I asked whether the Gov the recommendation on the consolida ernment had actually intimated the tion of loans, and also a final order State Governments accepting that issued to that effect. Subsequently, proposal. that order was cancelled. May I know the respective dates of these Shri B. R. Bhagat: It is a fact that three things? Government first accepted the recom mendation. But, later on, the Finance Minister felt that it required further Shri B. R. Bhagat: I cannot off scrutiny and, with the approval of the hand give the dates of these. Government, he made a statement in the House. That is the informa Shri Tyagi: What is the total tion that has already been given to amount of loans advanced to the the House. various State Governments? Is the repayment capacity of a State Gov Shri Bimal Ghose: Inasmuch as it ernment being examined before a is now admitted that the Government loan is granted? first accepted the proposal, may I know what further facts have been Mr. Speaker: That is a larger ques brought to light, after the recom tion. 5137 Oral A nsw ers 17 MARCH 1958 Oral A nsw ers 5138 Stef B. R. Bluest: This question But, if the hon. Minister says fhat bad been discussed already. As I the Commission did not say so, I said, on the 81st March, 1956, the cannot accept it. total outstanding loans from the Centre to the States was of the order Mr. 8peaker: The hon. Minister of Rs. 900 crores. During these two puts his own interpretation and says years also further loans have been that they have not said so. given. Shri Blmal Ghose: The Commis- Shri Tyagi: Is the repayment capa city examined? sion has said so, Sir. Mr.'Speaker: From time to time Mr. Speaker: The view of the hon. they might have examined. The hon. Member on the right side is one and Member cannot ask this general the view of the hon. Member on the question in this short question about left is quite different. consolidation of loans. All these questions can be raised on the Demands of the Finance Ministry. I Translation of Laws and Rales Into will give the hon. Member an oppor Hindi tunity. + Shri Blmal Ghose: The Finance •1008 ^ Shrl AohaP! Commission had recommended that 1VU9' \ Shri Manakbhai Agrawal: the interest to be charged to the States on the loans they have taken should be on the basis of what might Will the Minister of Home Affairs be called, "no profit no loss” basis. Has be pleased to state: the Government adhered to this prin ciple in the recent decisions it has (a) whether Government consider come to? it necessary to translate all the rules, regulations and laws of the land from Shri B. R. Bhagat: Apart from what English into Hindi before the latter is contained in the statement of the is introduced as the official language 14th March, all the other recommen in place of English; dations of the Finance Commission have been accepted. To state that (b) whether the question of cost to they have recommended that the be incurred and the time to be taken interest should be on the “no profit fo~ such translation work has been no loss” basis is not correct. They have considered; and said that although other factors must be there, the cost of borrowing should (c) if so, the time it will take and be the basis of the interest. But, what is the estimated cost? they have not made any categorical recommendation that it should be on ‘‘no profit no loss” basis absolutely. The Minister of State hi the Minis try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): Mr. Speaker: It may be open to (a) The recommendations of the offi the Government to accept or reject. cial Language Commission regarding We cannot go into that in a question this and other connected matters are on the Report. The hon. Member before the Parliamentary Committee is very well read; but he cannot put appointed for considering them. all the questions he has in mind on the particular question. (b) and (c). The translation of all unrepealed Central Acts is expected Shri Blmal Ghose: The Govern to be completed by 1963. The annual ment may not accept the recom expenditure on this is about Rs. 77,000 mendation. I will accept that reply. at present. 5139 Ora) A nsw ers 17 MARCH 19S8 Oral Answer* 5x40 Shri Achar: Are the State Acta also Shri Dasappa: In view of the fact going to be translated? that the official language is going to be Hindi, the necessity to have all Shri Datar: The question relates these State regulations and laws In to Central Acts. Hindi is Inevitable. So, I would like Shri C. R. Pattabhl Raman: Will to have an idea as to the time b y Government consider the advisability which they would all be translated of directing its attention to technical into Hindi. terms like estoppel, resjudicata and others? I had to do something with Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister has the Committee. Are they going to already replied. He has just now translate these technical terms also, said that after all the unrepealed or are they going to leave them as Acts are translated, it would be time they are? to consider whether the others need to be translated or not. At that time, The Minister of Home Affairs Pandit the hon. Member will give his sugges O. B. Pant): There is, I think, a Board tion. which deals with this matter. Per haps the hon. Member is a member of aft *0 *iro : TOT that Board. WcPTPFT f% f^rer % 3T* # 8hri C. R. Pattabhi 1 am ^[S[T ft focHi ft not. tot ? 5ft tot t ? Pandit G. B. Pant: I will be grate «jf*rT *fto Wo qifl : Xft *Rtar ful if he will send his suggestions to the Board. ^TT f 3TTT TO TO f I Shri Snbblah Ambalam: May I know if any of the States in the Hindi-speaking areas has undertaken Sales Tax on Food Grains this work of translation? + / Shri N* Munlsamy: Pandit G. B. Pant: So far as the Shri Raghunath Singh: Central Acts go, the translation bureau has been set up here. The Will the Minister of Finance be States may also be dealing with some pleased to state: of the Acts. But X am not sure if they are dealing with all the Central (a) the names of the States which Acts. have not accepted the suggestion of the Union Government that food Shri Dasappa: The question does not grains might be exempted from State confine itself to Central Acts and sales tax and the reasons assigned regulations but to all Acts and regu by them; and lations of the land. So, the question is whether any arrangement will be (b) whether their non-acceptance made for the translation of all these will affect the Central Government's regulations and laws obtaining in all contribution to the States? the States from English to Hindi. The Deputy Minister of Finance Pandit G. B. Pant: For the present, (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) The States arrangements have been made for of Andhra Pradesh, Madras and Bihar translating unrepealed Central Acts. that levy sales tax on foodgrains and When we have finished the transla the State of U.P. that levies a gradua tion of these Acts, then it will be time ted fee on dealers in foodgrains, to consider whether the other laws have not responded favourably to should also be taken up. Central Government’s suggestion to ;ON»'4WWM«f» lildAllCH UW , Onl Aiuwtn ■, 514a exempt foodgrains completely from (c) whether Government are aware tudk tax or fee. The revenue consi that the only two foundries in Orissa deration * u mainly the reason for have been forced to close down on Ihe States not agreeing to the Centre’s account of the failure to supply blUets ■advice. and pig irons to these foundries in 1957; and (b) No, Sir. (d) the action Government propose Shri N. ft. Munisamy: May I know to take to remove these difficulties the total amount likely to be lost by in future. the proposal to exempt foodgrains The Minister of Steel, Mines and from sales tax? What are the other sources of revenue thought of to Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): (a) compensate for the loss? Allotment was made on an annual basis for 1956-57. The total quantity, Shri B. ft. Bhagat: This pertains to of steel allotted to consumers in State revenue. The idea that food- Orissa State was 24,840 tons against .grains should not be taxed came up which 12,547 tons were despatched. in the National Development Council. It was proposed that in view of the (b) Steps have been taken to rise in food prices, there should not increase indigenous production and be any tax. The Chief Ministers subject to availability of foreign ex said that they would consider it. change, it is proposed to import steel They have referred back to us saying to augment indigenous supply. that they were not in a position to (c) This information is not avail accept this idea. That is the position. able. Shri Gajendra Prasad Sinha: What were the reasons advanced by the (d) When shortage of billets or pig States for not accepting this proposal? iron was brought to notice, steps were taken to expedite supplies by Shri B. B. Bhagat: Revenue consi according priority. The supply posi derations. tion of pig iron is expected to ease Shri Damanl: May I know whether considerably in 1958-59 and that o f this matter was discussed in the billets by 1960, as a result of the Chief Ministers' Conference and if expansion programmes of TISCO and not, whether it is going to be includ IISCO, and the production in Steel ed in the agenda for the next Con Plants in the Public Sector. ference? Shri Supakar: What is the total Shri B. B. Bhagat: I have said that demand of steel in Orissa State and it was discussed in the National what percentage was supplied? Development Council. Sardar Swaran Singh: I have not Steel Allotment to Orissa got the figures with regard to the *1065. Dr. Samantstnhar: W ill the total demand. I have already given Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel, be the allocation that was made and the pleased to state: actual supply that was made. The actual allocation will be somewhat (a) the Quantities of iron and steel smaller than the demand in the case that were allotted to Orissa in each of all the States. It is not the case quarter of 1956*57 and the actual that Orissa was treated differently delivery made to the 8tate against from the other States. their allotments; Shri Supakar: May X know if the Sardar Swaran Singh: I think the The Minister of State in the Minis demand in all the States is of an try of Education and Scientific Re order which could not be met with. search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) No The case of Orissa does not differ specific number has been fixed. from that of the others in this matter. (b) Does not arise. Shri Panigrahi: The allocation was about 24,000 tons and the actual lift Shri B. S. Murthy: On what basis will these stadia be distributed all was 12,000 tons. May I know the over India? reasons? Dr. K. L. Shrimali: On the basis at Sardar Swaran Singh: Short a grant of 50 per cent. supply. Shri B. S. Murthy: What steps axe Shri Supakar: By what time shall being taken in case the State Gov we be able to meet the demands of ernments do not make use of the the entire States in India so far as money allotted for this purpose? steel and iron materials are concern ed? Dr. K. L. Shrimali: The States must also play the game. When the Central Sardar Swaran Singh: It is a bigger Governments meets 50 per cent question but it is hoped that when expenditure, the States should also these new steel plants in the public meet 50 per cent of the expenditure. sector go into production and when the expansion of the two in the pri Shri Thimmaiah: Is this expendi vate sector is completed, the actual ture met under the Rajkumari Amrit production will meet the require Kaur sports scheme? ments. But the demands may grow and we may have to think of increas Dr. K. L. Shrimali: No, Sir. It has ing our production. nothing to do with that. Shri Supakar: One question more. Shri Vishwanatha Reddy: May I know whether the National Sports Mr. Speaker: It does not lead us Club of India has taken up the cons anywhere. The hon. Member knows. truction of a stadium in Madras, and Demand goes on increasing as we go whether Madras has asked for assis on producing. tance from the Centre? If so, how much assistance has been granted? Shri Supakar: I want to know what Dr. K. L. Shrimali: The hon. Mem amount of blackmarketing is preva ber is interested in a particular club. lent in India. He will have to give me notice. 1 will be very glad to answer that Mr. 8peaker: Unfortunately that question. question does not arise out of this question, however good it might be. Shri C. R. Pattabhi Raman: In view of the fact that under the Sports Stadia National Sports Club stadium scheme, South India is the only place which *1006. Shri B. S. Murthy: Will the has not got a stadium—Calcutta, Minister of Education and Scientific Bombay and Delhi already having Research be pleased to state: stadia—would the Government consi der constructing a stadium there? (a) the number of sports stadia proposed to be constructed during Dr. K. L. Shrimali: Under this the Second Five Year Plan; and scheme it is proposed to give grants if proposals are coming forward. We (b) the amount allotted for the have started giving grants and same? approving the schemes. O ral A im d en 17 MARCH 1988 Written A nsw ers$146 Start Jaipal Singh: The hon. Mem Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The ber said that the scheme is on a 50: 50 hon. Minister has already said that and that there was no speci with respect to individual cases hi* fied number. Are we to understand is not able to answer. that funds are unlimited. For ins tance, if a State came forward with proposals for ten stadia, would this scheme operate or how does it work WRITTEN ANSWERS TO in such cases? QUESTIONS Dr. K. L. Shrimali: That difficulty has not arisen. We have quite ade quate funds as far as sports develop *€r;v». «it sum mmrc . w i ment is concerned and we are fully f a w n n S w g i m w m anxious to develop sports. If the hon. Member is interested, I would lay on f^T «f3?T f a the Table a statement which gives information with regard to grants (*T) fav’ft ^ which have been given by the Indian w f fafl# f^rrrf Council of Sports to various organi srf^or qr : sations and the various States for the development of the stadia. That (**) w qtSRT % fcw ft difficulty has not arisen. It will cer tainly be examined when that ques % fa r fa r # tff«reT*r ^rr tion arises. tst £ ; t f tr Shri Jaipal Singh: Is this 50: 50 (»t) The BOntotor « f State In tta MBafc- (b) The matter ig under conatdam- try o# Education u d Sdmttfle Re tton. search (Dr. K. L. Bhrimall) (a) end (b). A statement is laid on the table of the House. [See Appendix V, Opium Laws (Amendment) Act, 1981 annexure No. 50.] •1997. Shri Vajpayee: Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to WTO! m *fa|wr state: • m , «ifw it® mo fiwrtt : (a) the steps taken by Government tot ffwrr frtr ttrrf*w to give effect to the provisions of the WfTT^ ift fTT *r£r fa : Opium Laws (Amendment) Act, 1957; and ( v ) t o t ^ m $ fa >rror (b) the total number of cases of the 'ffafsPT Wf^RT, K,° 0 0 breach of the provisions of this Act ? T ^JTPT TSTT * R T t , f a *IT 3|T registered so far? W $ ; The Deputy Minister of Finance ( * ) qft $r, ?ft s r 3 facH (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) The provi sions of the Opium Laws (Amend- wnr Sr t ; «ft* ment) Act, 1957 have already come into effect and the State Governments (*r) Jffa * f tr fa flr v r f a t t e n r f i (a) the total number of brass two anna coins in circulation in the coua* State Language of Tripos try; and *10M. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the (b) the total number of brass two Minister of Home Affaire be pleased anna coins withdrawn since 1957? to state: The Deputy Minister of Finance (a) whether Government have (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) The total received a Resolution from Tripura number of nickel-brass two anna Territorial Council requesting that coins in circulation on January SI, Bengali may be declared as the State 1958 was about 39*28 crore pieces. Language of Tripura; and (b) if so, the action taken thereon? (b) From the beginning of Janu ary, 1957 upto the end of January, The Minister of Heme Affairs (Shri 1958, 0*17 crore pieces were with G. B. rant): (a) Tea. drawn from circulation. 5149 Written A nsw ers 17 MARCH 1908 Written A nsw ers 5150 Delhi Government Schools (b) There is no question of taking steps to accelerate the pace of this f Shri D. C. Sharma: work which is proceeding according *1M9. •< Sardar Iqbal Singh: (_Shri K. B. Malvia: to schedule. The schedule of course envisages an increase in the pace with Will the Minister of Education and the commissioning of specialised Scientific Research be pleased to state: machinery next year. The mine is planned to reach the production stage (a) how many Government schools only when the other units of the Inte in Delhi and New Delhi are still being grated Project viz., Thermal Power run in tents or other temporary struc Station, Fertilizer Plant and the Bri- tures; quotting and Carbonising Plant are (b) the number of Secondary ready to consume the lignite. Schools among them; and Oil Prospecting in Eastern UJP. (c) the number of students studying in these Schools? pShri Raghunath Singh: •1011. { Shri Kalika Singh: "'The Minister of State in the Minis | Shri Radha Mohan Singh: try of Education and Scientific Re search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) (i) Will the Minister of Steel, Mines 32 in tents exclusively. and Fuel be pleased to state: (ii) 177 partly in tents and partly (a) whether it is a fact that aero- in buildings. magnetic survey of the Eastern Dis (b) 116 including Senior Basic, Mid tricts of U.P. has indicated prospects dle, High and Higher Secondary of oil there; and Schools. (b) if so, whether any detailed sur (c) 69,060 in Schools mentioned in vey has been conducted to explore answer to part (a) above. the same? Earth-moving operations at Neiveli The Minister of Mines and Oil (Shri K. D. Malaviya): (a) Yes. *1010. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: Will the Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel (b) During the present field Season, be pleased to refer to the reply given the Oil and Natural Gas Commission to Starred Question No. 97 on the have taken up intensive surveys by 13th November, 1957 and state: gravity-magnetic and seismic methods in Moradabad, Bareilly, Shahjahan- (a) the progress made in the earth- pur and Hardoi areas. Geophysical moving operations at Neiveli; and surveys of the plains of Eastern U.P. may be taken up in the succeeding (b) the steps Government propose years. to take to accelerate the pace of work? The Minister of State In the Minis Political Sufferers Committee, Delhi try of Steel, Mines and Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): (a) Since the com *1012. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the mencement of earth-moving opera Minister of Home Affairs be pleased tions on 20th May, 1957, a total to state: volume of 2*7 million cubic yards of (a) whether the decisions of the overburden has been removed upto Political Sufferers Committee, Delhi the end o f February, 1958, as against have been implemented; and 27 million cubic yards to be removed by the end of 1960. (b) if not, reasons therefor? Written Answ er* 17 MARCH 1958 Written Answers The HiaMer of Home Affairs (b) what is the estimated loss ot (Pandit O. B. Pant): (a) and (b). revenue consequent on the ban in the Action is being taken on those recom coming financial year? mendations of the Committee which The Deputy Minister of Fbtanoe have been accepted in principle. (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) Yes, Sir. An amount of Rs. 25,000/- has been (b) Hie estimated loss of revenue placed at the disposal of the Delhi during 1958-59 would be of the order Administration for the grant of small of Rs. 3 lakhs. This cannot, however, business loans to political sufferers. be attributed to the introduction of Other things being equal, preference rationing as such but to the policy of progressive enforcement of prohibi should be given to political sufferers tion of oral consumption. in the matter of employment in the public service. A scheme for the grant of educa Purchase of Defence Stores tional stipends to dependents of poli *1015. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the tical sufferers is under consideration Minister of Defence be pleased to in the Ministry of Education. state: (a) the total value of Defence stores Central Mining Research Station, purchased from abroad in 1957-58; Dhanbad (b) the total value of indigenous purchases made during the period; and *1018. Shri B. S. * Murthy: Will the (c) the steps, if any, taken or pro Minister of Education and Scientific posed to be taken for immediate and Research be pleased to state: effect economies in respect of foreign (a) whether any foreign experts purchases? are employed in the Central Mining The Deputy Minister of Defence Research Station, Dhandbad; (Shri Raghuramaiah): (a) The total (b) if so, their nationalities; and value of Defence stores purchased from abroad in 1957-58 up to the end (c) the nature of their employment? of January is approximately Rs. 65*88 crores. The Deputy Minister of Education (b) Indigenous purchases are of two and Scientific Research (Shri ML M. categories—stores manufactured in D as): (a) Yes, Sir. Dr. J. W. Whita this country and stores of foreign ker is the only foreign expert employ manufactured purchased from sup ed. plies in India. The value of the for (b) British National. mer category is approximately Rs. 27-22 crores and of the latter (c) Director, Central Mining Re Rs. 7-68 crores. search Station, Dhanbad. (c) A statement indicating steps taken or proposed to be taken to eco Rationing of Opium nomise foreign purchases is laid on the Table of the House. [See Appen *1014. Shri N. R. Munlsamy: Will dix V, Annexure No. 51] the Minister of Finance be pleased to state: Central Finger Print Bureau (a) whether it is a fact that the *1016. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the Delhi Administration has decided to Minister of Heme Affairs be pleased introduce rationing of opium for oral to state the details of arrangements consumption with effect from the 1st made in the Central Finger Print April, 1858, pending complete ban on Bureau to impart training in the Its sate from April, 1959; and modem system? 5153 Written Answert 17 MAKCH IMS Written Answer* 5*54 Ike Mlnhtw of State In Um» MHrie- TT fo*T TO ^ ^ ^VT try of Home Affairs (Sbri Defer): Arrangements for imparting training ftJTT *T*«1T ; * o m o : t o t ^pif, S U * *W*T ^TFTPTT fcft* fFTOT, i f t r i * * l l f 5RTT# 5W fiRT 5TT5T T^TT '*Tl(+ T^PTT f^ T O ^ r r fa r : f W « T I W 5ITft> STfTTT rr? CTT^rfRTW % TiqvflT ^ ^ (ap) HTZT W ? T nr53- w q «% 1 f«r % qf^nv % faWrr % M fa^ft tt^ t eft f^rhp Orf^cT ?rff f w *nrr t «ftr ttrct to^tt tfcs «rnfr»r ^ («T) *T$ W TT% f^ T f«FT *T*ff q r n m Hr ^ f ^ R c r far * % ftw nf t 1 ft»$) : (*F) ’E'T % T* ?0 (^) ?t, irrer t o t t # ^ ^ TT fjpRFft VSR ( s r) >0 s r o ^ t 7^ ^'1 fawrfafw % f^R ff *frr srfsRT sjsrc tfk fa*rfor, ZTffT WTJTTfT WhFT 1H*Rt WST ftlWlK ^ 3% ^rf^r rwr vratr $t srr* snfir ^ *rc 1 « f t *T o m o fewt ? TOT i^tih, ww «ftr »f^ w sim# ??qT far : z h t w t o tp* vwwt «rrt ^ m v « f t *0 HTo ftftt s TOT (v) ?TWR 8TTT f t Irt HplRTT 3TZT ’HHXH tnrj ?dt^ 4'WHT fT fWHI, 1W iftr ^ * (H>) STZT OTTTT ^ (w) »T5 fronr ^ gv ?[TT % ftiw u fa# «rr fiFT-ftsr *prarT 4 t4 j tt ? Written Anaw ert 17 MARCH 1988 Written Anmeert 5156 f w m , w w wJ t i** wwt (wm r h i t jrfs i f 1 VWW ftn j) : ( t ) fTSqvft 7 W 3 T j|fr frrtrrr i \ ?rf ^rffirr, && $$ ft sftr *^R r fosft ft fa ^raw r ^,^00,000 T TPT *r unfair T *R3TT *rt*r spifa fft TSt ft 1 T fim wnrrr ^h=r (^r) srf'snFrn: frorre t p t h 1'- W "t ^ t oil^M I 10 ?no fjrf?t 5?qr ztzt wtot^t *?»* wtwwi ?FTTcT, WR wVx f^R #?ft *Tjf ^ R iT'TT <^^r fa 1 t ^ « 5 . *ft Wo mo ff**> : *RT ’TW IT JT7T ft J i O T I fpnrr, wrc wh i * w * i f r ^ s r p t {T‘) W i ^ffJR «rnF»T ttuy JEfta cf?PT ^T ?R ¥ t T T T T?7T f a ^ 1 T 5 FT f r *t£ ^ m r St snrsr fT*F fan^r t a r r f*rr ? ; v r ^ft fasRTiT 5 ^ tt n'*f v qfornrerest (sr) qr=FTT # wpr vm \ ^rr wr ( * r ) t o r % f«p ®TTt? 3T?TT 5PI | I commence and be completed? The Minister of State in the Ministry ( * r ) s r t r (*).*.* ^ r ? * w of Education and Scientific Research V rrr v ’ / , ?r?r w (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) At present 432 Welfare Extension Projects are * t ^r sttst 5>rr srtr fc *«R , U'<^ functioning with about 1150 maternity ^ f W S T X , Welfare Extension Frojects The Deputy Minister of Finaner (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) The infor 1SS9. Shri Daman!: Will the Minis mation is being collected and a state ter of Education and Scientific Re ment will be laid on the Table of the search be pleased to state: House as early as possible. (a) the progress made in providing (b) The amounts collected as Union maternity services in the Welfare Excise Duties circle-wise during the Extension Projects sponsored by the years 1955-56, 1956-57 and from 1st Central Social Welfare Board, up-to- April 1957 to 31st December 1997 (so- date; far available) are given in a statement Written Answerk 17 MARCH 1898 Written Antwers' $lfo laid on the Table of the House. [See present maintained in the National Appendix V, annexure No. 52]. Archives o f India in New Delhi and state: Scholarships to other Backward (a) the steps taken during 1987-18 Classes so far to preserve the records from 1382. Shri Kalika Singh: WiU the destruction through bad handling; Minister of Education and Scientific (b) the system adopted for issue Research be pleased to state: of books and records; and ' (a) what section of people have (c) a list of mutiny records and been classified in the term “other papers in brief maintained in the backward classes" in different States National Archives of India? of India for the purposes of awarding the Government of India Scholarships The Minister of State In the Minis and giving other benefits which are try of Education and Scientific Re admissible to Scheduled Castes and search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) tc Tribes; and (c). A statement is laid on the Table (b) on what basis sections of people of the House. [See Appendix V, have been designated as educationally annexure No. 53.] backward on caste lines although the census of 1951 does not record castes International Hostels other than those scheduled in the Constitution? .... /Shri Onkar Lai: The Minister of State in the Minis * \ Shrimati 11a Palchoudhuri: try of Education and Scientific Re search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) The Will the Minister of Education and sections of people recommended by the Scientific Research be pleased to state: respective State Governments/Union (a) whether it is a fact that there Administrations for inclusion in the is a proposal for opening international List of “Other Backward Classes” hostels in the large metropolitan recognised for Government of India cities of India for providing facilities ^Scholarships have been classified as to foreign students; such in the List, a copy of which is placed on the Table of the House. (b) the names of the places where [Placed in the Library, Index No. these are to be opened; LT608/58]. The castes included in the List are recognised only for awarding (c) whether a start has been made Government of India scholarships. by acquiring premises; (b) This List has been prepared in consultation with the State Govern (d) if so, the estimated cost to be ments/Union Administrations in res incurred on these hostels; pect of their territories. The main (e) the time by which these hos criterion followed in the preparation tels will be completed; of this List is whether a particular •caste is educationally ana sociany (f) the number of students to be .backward. admitted in these hostels; and National Archive* of India (g) whether only foreign students will be allowed to utilise these 1388. Shri Kalika Singh: Will the hostels? Minister of Education and Scientific Research be pleased to lay on the The Minister of Slate in the Mtahb “Table a statement giving in brief the try of Education and gdenttfte Ste- nature of records, files and books at ■earch (Dr. X. L. Shrimali): (a) yes. 5i6t Written A nsw ers 17 MARCH 1858 Written A nsw ers 5162 (b) Delhi, Calcutta and Bombay. allotted cultivable lands during the First and Second Plan periods so (c) A building has been rented in far; and Calcutta by the Indian Council for Cultural Relations and the hostel is (b) the nature and the details of expected to start functioning in June, help given in this connection? 1958. No premises have yet been taken for this purpose in Bombay The Deputy Minister of Home and Delhi but the House in Delhi is Affairs (Shrimati Alva): (a) & (b). likely to be located in the University The required information is being Enclave. collected and will be laid on the table of the House as soon as receiv (d) According to the estimates ed. prepared in 1954*55 the total cost of land and building of the International 3*nr TOT nraff *T ITORW Students’ House in Delhti is likely to be about Rs. 8 lakhs. It is not -.TOrfFuw, possible at this stage to give an in dication of the estimated cost of the wt»t whr i *rft ^ qft f»n Hostels in other cities. (e) The Hostel at Calcutta is ex pected to start functioning in June, ( * ) to t w s t f t ^ 1958, and it may be possible to start ^TPfTt 3” the construction of the International *T# *t smfaT vt ; tflr Students’ House at Delhi during 1958-59. («r) v fe $f, ?ft ^ w (f) The present Hostel at Calcutta TOT + t4 4 T $ ' $ ? is expected to accommodate 45-50 students. When completed the *TR fa r «hft (m wr* House in Delhi is expected to ac commodate about 300 students. r ^ r ): (v ) *rk («r) *rnt>Tf- (g) Both Indian and foreign stu tt ?rr=5r ^t ^rirff 1 ,*ft dents will be eligible to make use of Jiff SFJHTT ft# 3TRt, ft r *ft the facilities offered at these hostels. ftrerar, HXvs # w r st^ t vxvtt # M w ifw vhFirfbr Andaman Islands t.ooc Z?r *pt vr^Vii'd % fa# 13S5. Shri R. Narayaaasamy: Will ^5T WWfl % «ft I STR^T the Minister of Home Affairs be pleased to state how many Onges are «Ft tftftR T (a) the number of landless families (w ) ^ttvtt *f>t of Scheduted Castes and Tribes in Union Territories who have beep w r sfcr # anftoff ftit 5163 Written A nsw ers 17 JtABCH 1988 Written A nm era Uv.'a # arfenrr *nc »Rrc to refer to the reply given to Un starred Question No. 253 on the 38th ; %ffc July, 1987 and state whether any decision has since been taken about (*0 fa ?3 U - tttjj; «n*i : TOTftrw Indian School of Mines and Applied ^ 3TTTC 3Ft f^TT T O fa *TT, Geology, Dhanbad UKVK» * ^ ST^iT 3 fa^tf **■ 1342 / shri s- c- Samanta: sidmi *r « r w « JTft fam ^rr \ Shri Subodh Hansda: *ppt ? Will the Minister of Education and Scientific Research be pleased to f Library Movement in Bombay (b) their nationalities; and 1340. Shri Pangarkar: Will the Minister of Education and Scientific (c) the different schemes under Research be pleased to state: which their services have been secur (a) the amount of grants given to ed by the Government of India? the Bombay State for encouraging The Deputy Minister of EducaQoh library movement in the State during and Scientific Research (Shri M. M. 1957-58 so far; and Das): (a) No foreign Professor is (b) the number of libraries opened working in the School at present. there with the above assistance dur ing the same period? (b) & (c). Do not arise. The Minister of State in the Minis Indian School of Mines and Applied try of Education and Scientific Re Geology, Dhanbad search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) Rs. 24,500|-. / Shri S. C. Samanta: (b) No library opened so far by \8hri Subodh Hansda: that State with this assistance. Will the Minister of Education and Scientific Research be pleased to Requisitioned Lands in New Alipore, state: Calcutta 1341. Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Will (a) whether there is any proposal the Minister of Defence be pleased before Government for the expansion 5*$5 WritUn Annocrt 17 MARCH 1988 Written Answers 5166 of the Indian School of Mines and (b) what amount is proposed to be Applied Geology, Dhanbad; spent for the yesr 1958-59? (b) if so, the details thereof; The Minister of State In the Minis try of Education and Sdcntifis (c) the total number of applicants Research (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) and the total number of students Rs. 9,830/-. admitted in the institution during (b) The budget proposals for the the last three years; and year 1958-59 have not so far bean (d) the methods of selection of the approved. students for admission into the insti w m sriw **w iw rt tution? !W . ifts* WW : m The Deputy Minister of Education and Scientific Research (Shri M. M. Das): (a) to (d). A statement giving («f ) w & r * f wt* the information is laid on the table of the House. [See Appendix V, fcr-wrcr % fasTT annexure No. 54]. Allowances for Purchase of Motor ifagsTTTwrsfort; Cycles and Cara ( * ) T****** VJTT?T tfWTT 1844. Shri Gajendra Prasad Slnha: J IT T w r f t a n T f t % ? Will the Minister of Finance be pleas ed to state the number of officers of iwww * x m *41 ttie Central Government who have (sftwtf wiwr) : (v) awr (»). availed of the facility of taking loans from Government for the purchase JTPft *rf vt f i r m *prr- of motor cycles and cars during 1957? tst fan *nrr $ 1 [tfW The Deputy Minister of Flnanee qfrftiw x, wymc xx] (Shri B. R. Bhagat): The number Directors of the Life Znsoranes of Central Government Servants Corporation who took loans for the purchase of / Shri Merarka: motor cycles and cars during 1987 \ 8hri Nathwanl: was 2828. v Will the Minister of Flnanee be Gingee Port In South Axeet pleased to lay a statement showing: 1848. Shri L. Elayaperumal: W ill (a) the names o f the present Direc the Minister of Education and Scien tors of the Life Insurance Corpora tific Research be pleased to state: tion; (b) when they were appointed; and (a) what amount was spent for the maintenance of the Gingee Fort in (c) their qualifications? South Arcot District, Madras State The Deputy Minister o f PbuuMe during 1966-57; and (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) and (b): Name of the Member Date of appointment (1) Shri G. R. Kamat 31-1-1957 (2) Shri Mohammed Hasham Premji 1-9-1956 (3) Prof. D. G. Karve 1-9-1956 (4) Shri Dhiren Mitra 1-9-1956 (5 ) Shri S. M. RamakrriShna Rao 1-9-1956 (6) Shri Chakreshwar Kumar Jain 1-9-1956 5167 Written Answers 17 MARCH 1958 Written Answers 5 r$ £ Name of the Member Date of appointment (7) Shri Vadilal Lallubhai Mehta 25-3-1957* (8) Lala Raghuraj Swarup 1-9-1956 (9) Shri B. K. Kaul 1-9-1956 (10) Shri L. K. Jha 1-9-1956 (11) Shri L. S. Vaidyanathan 1-9-1956 (12) Shri A. Rajagopalan 1-9-1956 (13) Shri K. R. Srinivasan 1-9-1956 (14) Shri V. H. Vora 1-9-1956 (15) Shri D. P. Guzdar 1-7-1957+ (c) Shri G. R. Kamat—A member 1923-35 and 1940-43; Princi of the Indian Civil Service. pal, Willingdon College, Sangli, 1935-40; Principal, (2) Shri Mohammed Hasham B. M. College of Commerce, Premji—Business man and In dus trianst; Member, Board of Poona 1943-49; President, Indian Economic Association Directors, Bombay Circle, 1945; Chairman Bombay Ad State Bank of India; Member, ministrative Enquiry dom- Managing Committee, Indian mittee 1948; Chairman, Merchants’ Chamber, Bom Madhya Bharat Cooperative bay; Member, Koyna Control —Planning Committee 1952; Board, formerly Chairman, Executive Editor, Bombay Bombay Electricity Board, District Gazetteers (Revision) Ex-President, Indian Mer 1949-52; Director of Pro chants’ Chamber, Bombay; gramme Evaluation Planning Ex-Committee Member, Commission 1952-55; Chair Indian Federation of Com man Village and Small Scale merce and Industry, New Industries (2nd Five-Year Delhi; Served on Various Plan) Committee 1955; Mem Committees apointed by the ber, Cooperative Development Government of India and the and Warehousing Board, Gov Government of Bombay on ernment of India; Presi Food and Industries; Ex- dent, Indian Agricultural Member, Managing Com Economics Conference 1956. mittee, B.E.S. & T. Under taking; Ex-Member Zonal Users’ Consultative Com (4) Shri Dhiren Mitra—Formerly mittee, Central Railway, Solicitor to the Government Bombay. o f India and later Legal (3) Prof. D. G. Karve—Member, Advisor to the Indian High Bombay Local Board, State Commission, London; Direc Bank of India; Professor of tor, Reserve Bank of India; History and Economics, Fer- Director, State Bank of In gusson College. dia. •Shri Vadilal Mehta was originally appointed on 1-9-1956, but resigned his membership on the 9th January, 1957. He was reappointed on 25-3-57, tShri D. P. Guzdar was originally appointed on 1.9.1956 but resigned his membership on 25.3.1957. He was reappointed on 1.7.1957. Written Answers 17 MARCH 1B58 Written Answers 5170 (5) Shri S. M. Ramakrishna Bao (9) Shri B. K. Kaul—A member —businessman; Chairman, of the Indian Civil Service— Bank of Mysore, Director, Joint Secretary, Ministry Bharat Electronics; Director, of Finance, Department o f Radio & Electrical Manufac Economic Affairs. turing Company; Director, Murphy Radios. (10) Shri L. K. Jha—A member (6) Shri Chakreshwar Kumar of the Indian Civil Service- Jain—Ex. MLA; Ex-Presi Special Secretary, Ministry dent, Bihar Chamber of of Commerce & Industry. Cbmxneroe; Ex-Member— All India Industries Advi (11) Shri L. S. Vaidyanathan,. sory Board; President G.B. M.A., F.I.A., Ex-manager, H.D. Jain College, Arrah. Oriental Government Secu rity Life Assurance Company (7) Shri Vadilal Lallubhai Mehta Limited. —Member of Parliament from 1945—1947 on behalf of\ the (Ahmedabad MiHow- (12) Shri A. Rajagopalan, B. A. onners’ Association. He is an F.I*A., formerly Controller industrialist managing seve of Insurance. ral concerns. He was a Mem ber of the Central Pay Com (13) Shri K. R. Srinivasan, B. mission; he was the Chair Com., F. I. A., Ex-actuary, man of the State Transport, Oriental Government Security- Bombay. Life Assurance Company Limited. (8) Lala Raghuraj Swarup—Di rector, Na.ional Warehouse- (14) Shri V. H. Vora, B.Sc., F.L. ing Corporation of India, A., Ex-Manager, New India' Ministry of Food and Agri Assurance Company Limited. culture, New Delhi; Member, Executive Committee, Na (15) Shri D. P. Guzdar, A. C. A. tional Warehousing Corpora (England), F.C.A., F.C.C.S. tion of India; Member, Re (England), A.I.C.W.A, Ex- serve Bank of India (Train Secretary and Chief Accoun ing Section); Director, State tant, Oriental Government' Financial Corporation U.P.; Security Life Assurance* Director State Handloom Company Limited. Board U. P.; Vice-Chairman, Provincial Cooperative Union, U. P; Director, Provincial Paddy, Coconut and Coir Industry bt- State Cooperative Bank Ltd., Laccadlve, Minicoy and Amindivi U. P; Member of India Co Islands operative Union, Ministry of Food and Agriculture, Gov ernment of India; Secre 1344 / 81>ri C' Samanta: tary & Director, District \Shrimati Ha Palchoudhnri: Cooperative Marketing Fe deration Ltd., Muzzaffarna- Will the Minister of Home Affairs gar, U. P.; President Con be pleased to state: sumers’ Cooperative Store*, Muzzaffarnagar, U. P .; Di (a) what attempts have so far been* rector, The Akhil Bharat made for the cultivation of paddy in- Bahakari Prakashan Ltd., the Laccadive, Minicoy and Amindivi Bombay. Islands; Written A n n m it 17 MARCH 1888 Wti&m Mmttn (b) whether the Indian Central Cnwionwaalth Naval C k k tt Coconut Committee has rendered any Conference help for increasing the Coconut yield :in the areas; 1354. Shri D. C. Sharma: W ill the Minister of Defence be pleased to (c) if not, what steps Government state: Jxave taken for the purpose; and (a) whether any report has bean (d) what is the condition of coir submitted by the representatives of industry there? India who attended the Conference of Commonwealth Naval Chiefs held The Deputy Minister of flaw recently; and Affairs (Shrimati Alva): (a) A scheme -for raising paddy in 25 acres of land (b) if so, the nature of the report •during the Second Five Year Plan and decisions taken thereon? ffem w r * w m r e % f^rror sr%9T *r?tf m f o r i* t n ? - TO %* : WT S W t o : «wr W, 3RTR *Pt $TT ^ »T f t : wen# ? tt * 3 # f t : ( * ) # w w (*p) w *n? *r*r & ft ffnrspT tH *) % fqnfcT TT f^HT^RT ST^?T ST^TRT’T srfcT ^ q ^ ? R t *rftrfam ^ w w r srrrr ft?nft sFTTTfsr *rcr *r t; j/}? spf ,n * r# s re p rr ^ft # # (*r) *r?«nTfT 5r*rr fcTfcr t t # t t ■ *n t ; ^T5T: ftrpft «RTT% *T*T ^ *Tf £ ? (* r) v t imPFrf tt w t ^ n f^ t ^ - v t # * * t ?w # traMflft spt ? STcTTT) : (*) TTTTTt, t t « ;? . o i 5TW ^ M »R | ; ^ ■ I « i | ) p n ( TFW7-H** (*ft *rariT): («p) r^rr^r JT^r w r h # fa; (^r) f^qT^T sr^ # ^ptt «T?HT far 7^# ?m t ^f^PTTt tffafolf # t f^rsT ^ t 1 fi[m ^ r sr^Rr ^T'T WTCK vfWviRrr % T f j ^ P 3 T W % *nrr ?nrr *rr*FTT tV tr^r «fr 1 ?t^ p f^ n rf^ r t t f^n^r, HK« t t \9.«;o 5TT?r («r) jww«i *rt 3ft * flr ?n f f t # *1# f 1 ^ wfmr strt f, ^nr?r ^ Central Social Welfare Board ^w ff # 3fr vpTsrr^t srert 1355. Shri Jhuian Sinha: Will the ^ t, + V 11 1 Minister of Education and Scientific Research be pleased to state: (a) the number of women paid f^*rrsr?r srfcr *r *arsn# % fa # workers under the Central Social Welfare Board and the amount spent on this account annually; «ro *sr : ^srr 39-vra (b) whether the expenditure of the *Pft ^ 5HTR # i^tt w r f t : Chairmen of the State Social Boards and the staff thereof is also met from the funds of Central Social Welfare (*p) fjP T T ^ 5PT?T JTCmnr 3TTT Board provided by the Central Gov *r^prtV wrr ^ =5rt# qf fa# ernment; fts# v Trfrrr ft#m £ ; sfrr (c) whether the Central and state Boards have also any other source of ( * r ) w n # *n f< r r r income; and *rf*Tfa#t 3TRT ^RTf sncft f (d) the number of male workers *rf*R>clWf STITT ? under the Central Social Welfare Board and the amount spent on their account? ^ - * p N * T m T *f WT-TT3ft (®ft The Minister of State in the Minis- *T?TTT) : ( ^ ) Jft | try of Education and Scientific Re search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) ( ^ ) # *Trff*rt Number Annual expenditure fflTT W f W f STTcft f 1 38 Rs. 1,30,251*36 N.P. Written Answ&a 17 MAHCH 1958 Written Anatyert (b) Chairmen of State Boards are (c) when such confirmations wil be honorary. Expenditure on office esta completed? blishment of State Boards including T.A. and D.A. of the Chairmen is The Minister of State in the Ministry shared equally, by the Central Social of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): (a) No. Welfare Board and the respective State Governments. In the case of (b) and (e). Most of the persons meetings convened by the Central recruited against permanent vacancies Social Welfare Board, the expenditure joined their appointments in June, 1956 on T.A. and D.A. of Chairmen of the and thereafter. They were, therefore, State Boards is re-imbursed by the due to complete the prescribed period Central Social Welfare Board. of probation in June, 1957 and there after. Reports in regard to the satis (c) The Central Social Welfare factory completion of probation in the Board receives grants-in-aid from the case of a number of these persons are Centra] Government and the State still awaited. In a few other cases, Boards receive grants from the Central certain other formalities are yet to be Social Welfare Board and the respec completed. The Ministries/Offices con tive State Governments on 50:50 basis. cerned have been requested to expedite the necessary action in this regard and (d) Number Annual expenditure it is expected that the necessary forma 109. Rs. 2,74,702.32 N.P. lities will be completed and orders of confirmation issued very shortly. Administrative Staff College J356. Shri Damnni: Will the Minis f^sfr *T3R ter of Education and Scientific Re search be pleased to state the extent «ft *>o Ho :SRT of Government assistance so far granted to the Administrative Staff fw r ssftr to«tot *nfr v z « f t r College, India? 5pV IfiTT “M'fT f^F I The Deputy Minister of Education and Scientific Research (Shri M. M. (*r) fsT&ir sftr ^ m w r Das): The following grants have so jtr p ts sflT m ^ fafnr far been sanctioned by the Central % <7*5 % t TT "jf-H'farT SR- ?nr f^FT Government to the Administrative Staff College of Jndia: fei'T faw r ^ ’fap tFT T O T T In 1956-57: Rs. 7-00 lakhs Non f*C T jTT 'V % ; recurring. ( S f ) 3ft f t ^ In 1957-58: Rs. 3 00 lakhs Re curring. Confirmation of Assistants ( » t ) ^ v fsrercr t t J Shri M. B. Thakore: SFPT f^FT f^T =FT >#TT TOT . ^ shrimati Sucheta Kripalani: t ? Will the Minister of Home Affairs be pleased to state: fewn t o w i w w (a) whether all the Assistants re * TT5*r-*Nt (*T0 *To rTTo ): cruited through open competitive exa ( * ) *TWrf'cT fsRTR mination held in November. 1955 have since been confirmed; (b) if not. what are the reasons therefor; and Slit Written Answers 17 MARCH 1958 Written Answers 5178 ( w ) irmfrv ^ttft The Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): (a) swipt wfpft Mitfafr strt «ft, Separate figures of rods for building U-t ?-*» *foftfer t o % purposes exclusively, are not avail able. fatf ^ rrr jpt sfeT t < fara- *Ft «rP*T5T 4 *5^ farc *>7% *rr (b) and (c). Do not arise. «f»r*r tftaT *f t t t, qrisr^rM ?far ^ spy sttssitch for t 1 Grants for Forest Co-operative Societies for Scheduled Tribes (*r) (i) w^pprffT fwsrR— ^ro 1360. Shri B. S. Murthy: Will the Sfto afto 9j VjQM f —* — m»mIk«««« nnwflfai Bm m ISM. Sardar Iqbal Stash: Will the 1868. Shri Dasaratha Dob: Will the M ilte r at U m c Hi i i and Scientific Minister of Education and Srfentt&s Research be pleased to state: Research be pleased to state: (a) the amount allotted lor each (a) whether the attention of Gov Vigyan Mandir during the year 1957* ernment has been drawn towards 58 and lor 1958-59; and the poor construction of Mamibazar Tribal Boarding and Craft Centre (b) the places in which they have House in Tripura; and been established in Punjab State? (b) if so, what steps have been Hie Deputy Minister in the Minis taken in the matter so far? try of Education and Scientific Research (Shri M. M. Das): (a) The amount allotted for each of the new The Minister of State in the Minis Vigyan Mandirs during the year 1957- try of Education and Scientific 58 and 1958-59 is as under:— Research (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the (i) Non-recurring Rs. 16,500. Table of the House. TSee Appendix (ii) Recurring Rs. 12,400. V, annexure No. 59.] Total Es. 28,900. Monuments in Tripura After the first year each of the 1369. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the Vigyan Mandirs will, however, utilise Minister of Education and Scientific only recurring amount of Rs. 12,400. Research be pleased to state: (b) One Vigyan Mandir has been (a) whether any provision has been established at Nilokheri in Punjab so made for the preservation of the an far. cient temples of Chaturdash Deota (the fourteen gods and goddesses), % ?sfcr Ma Bari of Udaipur and other rtionu- ments of Tripura: Wt'a. TO *ar: ^TT (b) if so, the provision made during '*(5 ®rf, UVvS STfTTTifaRT JTFT the year 1957-58; and ^ 5\9 TrTT T ? « P T R (c) the steps taken for preservation ^ FTT 3FTT T O TO R % *T#T of Unakuty Tirth of Tripura? W TO sppT SfTT# SfFTPft ^T- ssrrfwr % *t sft The Minister of State in the Minis try of Education and Scientific to «rr wt ?r?r t ? Research (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) Yes, Sir, for the conservation of all # protectedTtsa-^ («fttemples and other monu TOT*) : mft STM ^TT % S'JflTT ments in the Tripura State. The M r tr^T fa*T*T TT W f^TT TOT Bari Temple is not a protected monu ment. I I [ffW tWTO X, WpP* «WT K«] TPThVT 5 R T « r S H (b) Rs. 4,000. frit $ ftrar sin tt iratff (c) It is proposed to protect the s w t ar^ *rar-q7T tt T f entire hillock containing the sculp «roi*fr 1 tures and carvings at Unakuty. 5183 Written Antwert 11 MARCH 1988 Writteti AtwiDfr» ' Assistant Conunteioam for Scheduled Cjrc&bln tk m Castes and Scheduled Tribes 1171 Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the 1370. Shri Elayaperumal: Will the Minister of Home Affairs be pleased Minister of Home Affairs be pleased to state: to state: (a) the total number of cyclists who have been challaned for violation of (a) how many Assistant Commis traffic rules providing for lights in sioners for Scheduled Castes and the evening, in Delhi and New Delhi Scheduled Tribes were appointed during 1957; and through the Union Public Service Commission during 1956 and 1957; (b) the number of such cases dur ing December, 1957 and January (b) how many Assistant Commis 1958? sioners were appointed directly from The Minister of State in the Minis* 1955 to 1957; and try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): (c) the basis on which they were (a) 3514. appointed directly? (b) December 1957 January 1958. 2373 2538 The Deputy Minister of Home Affairs I. A. S. Officers (Shrimati Alva): (a) One. 1373. Shri Ajit Singh: Will the (b) Six, out of whom Uvo art* on Minister of Home Affairs be pleased to deputation from State Services and refer to the reply given to Unstarred four were appointed directly. Question No. 1368 on the 9th Septem ber. 1957 and state: (c) The two officers on deputation were selected out of a number of (a) the number of Scheduled names received from the State Govern Caste and Scheduled Tribe officers ments. The others were appointed separately from each State Civil Ser* directly on a temporary basis in view vice, who were held suitable for pro of the urgency to fill these posts. One motion to I.A.S. under Regulation 5 of of them has already reverted. The the Indian Administrative Services case of the other has been referred (Appointment by Promotion) Regula to the Union Public Service Commis tions, 1955, by Committees set up sion. The remaining two cases will under Regulation 3 of the same Regu also be referred to the Commission in lations; due course. (b) the number of Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe officers separately from each State Civil Service, who Invalidation of Central Laws were placed on the Select List, finaliz ed under Regulation 7 of the above 1311. Shri Damani: Will the Minis said Regulations; and ter of Law be pleased to lay on the Table a statement showing the Central (c) the number of Scheduled Caste Acts that have been challenged in the and Scheduled Tribe officers separate Supreme Court since the 1st January, ly who have been finally promoted to 1954 and the extent to which' they I.A.S. from each State Civil Service? were held repugnant? The Minister of Home Affairs (Pan dit Q. B. Pant): (a) to (c). Promotions The Deputy Minister of Law (Shri to the I.A.S. under Rule 8 of the Hfcjarnavis): A statement is laid on Indian Administrative Service (Re the Table of the House. [See Appen cruitment) Rules, under which the dix V, annexure No. 60.] Regulations refern i to have been Written Answers 17 MARCH 1958 Written Answers 51&6 framed, are made on the basis of merit The Minister of State la the Blink- and suitability. No information is try of Hone Affairs (Shri Datar): (a) accordingly maintained of the com Yes. munal affiliations of the officers con (b) Only one review has been com cerned. pleted. This was for the year 1B56. No review could be undertaken ear Tilak Nagar Government School, lier because Grades I and II of the New Delhi Service were constituted only with effect from 1st May 1955. 1374. Shri AjU Singh: Will the Min ister of Edncation and Scientific Re (c) Pertnanent search be pleased to state: Grade I ..83 Grade II ..142 ia) whether arrangements for tea Grade III .. 896 ching Punjabi to High Classes in Gov The reviews do not relate to tempor ernment School, Tilak Nagar, New ary posts which are treated as tem Delhi exist; and porary additions to the Service, vary (b) if not, the reasons therefor? ing in number from time to time according to need. The Minister of State in the Minis try of Education and Scientific Re (d) and (c). Against the 470 vacan search (Dr. R. L. Shrimali): (a) No. cies in Grade III of the Service, 208 eligiblf' persons have already been Sir. confirmed. The remaining persons (b) Arrangements for Panjabi in the will be confirmed as soon ns the neces High Classes in the Government sary preliminaries, such as medical School at Tilak Nagar could not he examination, have been completed. made as before introducing it in these classes, permission of the Board of As regards Grades I and II, the Higher Secondary Education, Delhi for principles to be followed in making the same is required. This is being confirmations have since been settled done. in consultation with the Union Public Service Commission, and orders of confirmation will be issued shortly. . Stenographers 1375. Shrimati Sucheta Kripalani: Will the Minister of Home Affairs be f T to h o foqrrft pleased to state: *0 *n° (a) whether the Central Secreta riat Stenographers Service Scheme provides for the annual reviews of the TOT Srfar«TT strength in its various grades; f ’Tr ^*r f r : (b) if so, how many such annual reviews have taken place since 1951 (**) jpT^Tt, tfk tx •pr and for which years; TTRT IT7J fw 3TH 3T# % (c) what strength of permanent and ?rphFr T SPtPTT srffcPT fcwft • temporary posts in the various grades 3 sfr t o t jjsrraTT ftaT have been declared on the basis of the last review; t, tot ?m r ^ 'jTTcft | ; (d) whether the eligible persons have been confirmed against the per (w) manent posts in the different grades fas ft # firflT since last review; and 3TRTT £ ^ f9*rr 3TI5TT if; (e) hf not, the reasons' therefor and how long it will take to confirm them? vtr j t f y ■ Written Amu*™ . ^ ■' :/:$ A («r) w^npxRTTvtsrM im Tr^T over 300 opium smugglers and reco vered seven maunds of opium worth •rfw n w Pww f>Rr srorc ^rr srnifT over Rs. 5,56,000 from them during . t wt ^ ^mr fc*ft s^far *r*rer the current financial year; * ti ift qr «hrt flrcft ?r«r (b) whether these arrests were t T f l f i % ftvtTT ^TTrTT | ? . made in pursuance of the information received from Singapore authorities aftrrwi^m^ (?TOrr»nftfen) : some time back; and ( * ) Wfl'^dl f^ T 77 T O R 31TT v tf spfa m w w »Rfbr (c) whether it is a fact that Delhi is the centre from which opium is ferr oTFfT I ?£!tx n i m T F R T smuggled to Singapore via Calcutta? farer % *rs3F«r w Tf'ft snr JjJrmr w f^rr ferr w i jtort^t fs«w The Deputy Minister of Finance W. SH^PPT q fiim r ?fl7 tffo »TSRFFT (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) The Delhi Excise Department has arrested so far srfPR fw IR ? I ?f ^ 201 opium smugglers during the cur (sr) »wn: *T ^ v: «TPT, (b) Only one arrest was made on dspft, srrfo ^ «r^, ifr information received from Singapore S t’ f i ■•drtiqT v' f a q - ^ T F T P T f^ n r suthorities. 35PTT I ^ *TT ^X?. >,000 W m (c) From the information available IT I p ^ v l^ TTTI *f^rnfi with Government there is no reason to TT farTR JTpJI*TrIT ft ^ f^TT# fTSF believe that Delhi is the centre from which opium is smuggled to Singapore ?t ^srt * s?r i^ rff tt zrofer fw r, via Calcutta. fr (?) fesfT 5T^T f^ t *nfe?T S *W T apt oprf^- ^ q p r V i f K Post-Matric Scholarships (^) W‘ w *iMt ijsrrc* % f^r i ?*r 'R •t o t j f M r ? n fr 1378. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the flMn. ^ I TT 4MHH t 1FT ‘cTT'ff Minister of Education and Scientific Research be pleased to state: Tt »Tt 5pr farfa- ff^PTrTr !».oo frnrr i (a) the number of scholarships granted during 1957 to post-matric (*T) W*T -JrflRTT % *(<|6'1 «M*f students belonging to Scheduled ?If PT m’RFRT ft*RT 3 ^ ?T Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Back vm rhm *rfafa ^t *Fprf?r % ^ ward Classes from Punjab; and *PT 4 I (b) the number of applications re ceived in each category? Opium Smuggling 1377. Shri N. B. Munisamy: Will the The Minister of State in the Minis Minister of Finance be pleased to try of Education and Scientific Re state: search (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the table (a) whether it is a fact that the of the House. [See Appendix V, Delhi Excise Department arrested annexure no. 61]. «*Q AspertiM tfMASCH 1968 Mistagtt from 5190 on the Table Rttjya Sabha Bally Seaplane Base on the Table, under Section 88 of the Central Excises and Salt Act, 1944, a 1378. Shri B. N. Mnkerjee: Will the copy of each of the following Notifica Minister of Defence be pleased to tions making certain further amend state: ments to the Central Excise Rules, (a) whether it is a fact that a con 3944:— siderable amount of surplus land is (1) G.S.R. No. 73, dated the lit available near the north approach to March, 1958 the Bally Seaplane Base at Dakshi- neshwar near Calcutta; and ( 2 ) G.S.R. No. 94, dated the 8 th March, 1958 (b) whether any and if so, when such lands are to be released? fPlaced in Library. See No. LT- 0 0 2 / 5 8 .] The Deputy Minister of Defence (Sardar Majithin): Information is MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. Secretary: Sir, I have to report the following messages received from the Secretary of Rajya Sabha:-- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE ( 1) G.S.R, No. 91, dated the 8 th (ii) “In accordance with the March, 1958. provisions of sub-rule ( 6) of rule 162 of the Rules of Procedure and (2) G.S.R. No. 92, dated the 8 th Conduct of Business in the Rajya March, 1958. Sabha, I am directed to return | Placed in Library. See No. LT- herewith the Appropriation (Vote 803/58.1 on Account) Bill, 1958, which was passed by the Lok Sabha at its R e po rt o f C o m m i t t e e f o r P r e v e n t io n sitting held on the 11th March, o f C r u e l t y t o A n i m a l s 1958, and transmitted to the Rajya The Deputy Minister of Agriculture Sabha for its recommendations (Shri M. V. Krlshnappa): Sir, I beg and to state that this House has to lay on the Table a copy of the no recommendations to make to Report of the Committee for the Pre the Lok Sabha in regard to the vention of Cruelty to Animals. said Bill.” [Placed in Library. See No. LT- (iii) “In accordance with the 604/58.] provisions of sub-rule (6 ) of rule 162 of the Rules of Procedure and A mendments to Central Excise Conduct of Business in the Rajya R ules Sabha, I am directed to return herewith the Appropriation (Rail The Deputy Minister of Finance ways) No. 2 Bill, 195B, which was (Shri B. K. Bfcafat): Sir, I beg to lay passed by the Lok Sabha at its 5 J9 i Calling Attention 17 MARCH IMS To a matter of Urgent 5 1 9 2 PufcUc Importance {Secretary] sitting held on the 12th March, from Press reports, it appears that in 1958, and transmitted to the Bajya the course of his speech, the Prime Sabha for its recommendations Minister pointed that the problems of and to state that this House has nationalisation and citizenship were no recommendations to make to inter-twined and if estates were ‘ the Lok Sabha in regard to the nationalised first, Government would said Bill.” be obliged to look after the estate workers who were non-nationals. This would, in turn, create more problems for the Government. Suggestions that PRESIDENT’S ASSENT TO BILLS non-nationals be denied the right to Secretary: Sir, I lay on the Table join trade unions or to hold any post, the following two Bills passed by the were dismissed by the Prime Minister, Houses of Parliament during the cur who said that these methods were rent Session and assented to by the contrary to democratic practice. President since a report was last made to the House on the 10th February, In the course of his speech, the 1958: — Prime Minister said that the problem of stateless persons of Indian origin 1. The Appropriation Bill. 1958. had become deep-rooted and a satis 2. The Central Sales Tax (Amend factory solution seemed well-nigh im ment) Bill, 1958. possible. Nevertheless, he said that any approach to the solution of the problem would necessarily have to be based on maintaining goodwill and CALLING ATTENTION TO A MAT friendly relations existing between TER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORT the two countries. He laid particulnr ANCE emphasis on the need to undertake a solution of the problem in a manner S t a t e l e s s p e r s o n s o f In d ia n o rig in that would not cause undue hardship i n C e y l o n to the stateless persons and also en sure that no disadvantage would bo Shri Hem Barua (Gauhati): Sir, caused to Ceylon nationals. He said under Rule 197, I beg to call the that justice requires that those who attention of the Prime Minister to the have been there for many years and following matter of urgent public im who have made that country their portance and 1 request that he may home, should be assimilated. make a statement thereon:— The Prime Minister’s general ap “Reported statement of the proach to this problem was that it was Prime Minister of Ceylon about essentially a human problem and stateless persons of Indian origin should be dealt with as such. in Ceylon.” The Prime Minister and Minister of Shri Hem Barua: Sir, I rise on a External Affairs and Finance (Shri point of information. Jawah&rlal Nehru): Sir, the Prime Minister of Ceylon made a speech Mr. Speaker: Order, order. If the recently in winding up the debate on hon. Member is interested he may a resolution dealing with the Indo- table further questions; normally I do Ceylon problem at the annual session not allow any questions to be put at of his political party, namely, the Sri this stage. Lanka Freedom Party. No authorised jreport of his speech is available, but nkAltCR 1958 General Buiflet— $154 General Discussion GENERAL BUDGET—GENERAL DISCUSSION—eontd. iw e w. I Pp fan* ot* ^ P m Mr. Speaker: The House will now f , TOfar rf$ | resume further discussion on the Gen WT ^ fa* Tfr eral Budget lor 1958-59. Out of 20 hours allotted for the general discus TOta ^ f 1 n* ? ^ r # ?? sion, 14 hours and 13 minutes have s r t* ^ H w r e f| 1 already been availed of and 5 hours and 47 minutes now remain. When ?r^ fcsrr 3 iw r % »r«{k?iT- shall I call upon the hon. Finance W R ^ ^ w \ 4 * ‘ \t'"il c ^ I Minister to reply? Would it not be desirable to dispose of this today even if we have to sit for a little more time or, would the hon. Minister like to replv to the debate tomorrow? 5*r % *n«r sfr jt t * arn?rr WTT i fo OTP ij5T *r sqpTO'TT The Prime Minister and Minister of Wtt ^ f'^TT if ’OTTTT STT** External Affairs and Finance (Shrl Jawaharla! Nehru): To me, Sir, it <&Z >T fofcpr cTTfT JTjff f^n would be more convenient if we have W ^ I q*->T-J 4 ¥R 5r P=TT ?rgTW it tomorrow. ffRT ^TfrHT vfT, cfS K ^ T?.l % I Mr. Speaker: Very well. We will go on till five o’clock today, and what ever time is required by the hon. Minister for his reply will be taken A sr^rr *mrftr?r TT?f % %r, tomorrow. Pandit Braj Narayan 3fr f f c “Brajesh” was in possession Of the House. He may kindly continue his '^■?T g I 5TTT ^TFTT ^ ^lT^R speech. 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I f MARCH 1988 General Discussion 52a* ftas# # fan*raEr # w a rc ? w tts% ?rsff h pr> srsrfT *rfr^>T%H ’• r a m 11 *#lr ^ ?ft srfrr *Pfflrc f=RHT q^T | m to t ** *** ’ffaT h w^fi % fa Trr ?ft*r faft ^»F *TT ?T <=PT TO WT ’ *ffo fr w ^Ppf fw r ?r ?r arw ^TT qiPRI 35T foTT 3TFTT ^ifgtr | 3T? fftr y?.t Sl&IiW T 3TTT, ITT^r fcr * S*r »T«FT«7 t *ftr *T?HT«r % flTVT % ^5T TT ^ T T I 3ft »1^[t «»iHI f W T % *T ^ l? ? r t |fa^T ifHTT ^rrf^H ^3^RFt eft «r h % %tr ^fffr T3prr H fa r 'Tf'ft ?fhr 3RT 5 fJ^ R HPTrft «jk 3fr ^T;TT ^i%jt T»fat ^ General Budget— 17 MARCH 195(1 GenaUfcf Disctwsion [«rfw * j t JTT* tShri A. C. Guha] In this connection, I would also like middle class trade union man who will to draw attention to another state of go t© the factory and would ask the affairs. You have got a number of labourers to go slow or to go on strike officials, particularly in the rural and create other mischief. The mid areas. They are paid very low—some dle class still occupies a very crucial getting Rs. 50 and some getting Rs. 60. position—and an important position— They are educated—they are all mat in our politics. Recently, in West riculates—and they are now going as Bengal there were four elections to disseminators of discontent and sedi the Council and all the four seats we tion against this Government and the lost because the middle class somehow party. All these things should be or other...... taken due notice of. The last elec tion, I think, should have been a Shri Thimmaiah (Kolar—Reserved lesson for us that the middle class —Sch. Castes): Council or Assembly? still occupies an important strategic position in our society and no Govern Shri A. C. Guha: No, Legislative ment can afford to ignore their in Council. terests and this inflation, whatever may be the statistical figure that has Shri Bimal Ghose (Barrackpore): been reached in connection with the Are there no middle class people on standard of living of the middle class. your side? It should be agreed that the standard of living of the middle class has gone down appreciably. Shri A. C. Guha: That is why I wanted to appease them. This year there has been a new We lost all the seats because some booklet, supplied to us, along with the how or other the middle class people Budget papers called The Economic there were alienated with the Gov Survey. I think it is a good innova ernment and with the Congress. So, it tion, but I expect that the Govern is a political issue that the Govern ment will take steps to improve this ment should do something for the survey further to make it more use middle class. On several occasions I ful. I would suggest that the econo have pleaded that there should be mic survey should not be issued by aome sort of food subsidy for the the Finance Ministry. Let it not be middle class. Last time the hon. suspected by the people that the Minister of Food and Agriculture was Finance Ministry—or one wing of the kind enough to refer to that sugges Finance Ministry—is issuing an econo tion and said that that was an im mic survey to gloss over the failures portant suggestion and he would see and lapses of that same Ministry. The -what could be done. Nothing has yet economic survey should be issued by been done, I think, and it is overdue some other department. There is an that the Government take some mea Economic Adviser attached to the sures to ameliorate the sufferings of Finance Ministry. I think, he also the middle class. should not be attached to the Finance Ministry. Let him be attached to the The Deputy Minister of Food and Planning Commission or to the Cabi Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): net Secretariat, as the Statistical Ad What about the element of subsidy viser is also attached to this Secre Incurred on account of foodgrains tariat. Let the Economic Adviser also distributed through fair price shops? be attached to the Cabinet Secretariat and this economic survey should be Shri A. C. Guha: That does not give issued either by the Cabinet Secre aimply much benefit to the middle tariat or by the Planning Commission, class which is a general thing. with which the Government may de- 5309 General Budget— 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion ckie to attach the Economic Adviser. think that is a proper procedure. I do My suggestion is that the Economic not mind giving subsidy either to a Adviser should not be with the Finance private company or a Government cor Ministry, but either with the Planning poration. Even during the British Commission or with the Cabinet Secre time, the Tata steel industry was get tariat as the Statistical Adviser is also ting subsidy from the Government. So, attached to the Cabinet Secretariat. it is quite natural that this national I expect this economic survey to be Government will give subsidy to the further improved to give a correct companies, but that again should be picture and an all-round and overall through the vote of this House. There picture of the economic situation of should not be an indirect form of the country. subsidy. At page 55 of their report, the Finance Commission have indicated I would like to refer to another im their objection to the grant of indirect portant matter. Under Article 292 of subsidy by way of concessional in the Constitution, it has been stated terest. The interest should be charged that the Government of India could on a no-profit-no-loss basis and at the borrow money within such limits, if irate at which Government borrows. any, as may from time to time be fixed Even where a Government corpora by the Parliament by law. But Par tion or any public limited company liament has not passed any law as yet. belonging to the private sector re It was apparently the intention of the quires any subsidy to be given, the Constitution framers that Parliament Government should come before this should be asked to pass a law to reg House with a definite proposal for a ulate the borrowing authority of the subsidy for the corporation or the Government. I find, in most of the public limited company and the House democratic countries it is the Parlia will, I am sure, be glad to agree to ment which gives specific sanction that proposal. But there should not year after year for the public borrow be any indirect subsidy given by some ing of the State. In U.S.A., U.K., Deputy Secretary or Joint Secretary Canada, Sweden and in all countries from the Consolidated Fund of India. it is passed by a Vote of the Parlia It should be done by getting the ment. It is placed before the Parlia authority of this House and I hope ment as a proposal under either any you will also take some interest In statute or in the Appropriation Act or this matter, in order that this may in some other form and it is voted by not be done in future. the Parliament. It is a charge on the Consolidated Fund of India. The in I would then come to the position terest has to be paid from the Con of States’ finances. Even today there solidated Fund of India. So, I think, was some issue raised about the Fin the Parliament should have a voice as ance Commission's recommendations to how much and when the Govern regarding the loans taken by the ment should borrow from the pub States from the Centre. I put a sup lic. I expect the Government to ini plementary as to when the Press com tiate some legislation in regard to this munique accepting that recommenda matter. tion was issued, when the formal offi cial order giving effect to that recom mendation was issued and when that Another point I want to refer to is order was subsequently cancelled. this. We have given loans to many But I was not given any date. I am corporations—private companies and sure these dates will be subsequent also Government corporations—at and not previous to the 12th Decem varying rates of interest which are ber declaration of the Finance Minis being charged from them. Z do not ter in this House. Whatever may be General Budget— 17 MARCH 1888 General Diacvuion 5219 [Shri A. C. Guha] the dates, this does not leave a very taxation a food subsidy fund of good impression that the Government Rs. 25 crores. This will be used should have issued some contradictory to keep down the prices.” instructions in a matter oi this impor tance. The keeping down of prices has not been done. The building of the food I And that the Finance Commission subsidy fund out of the revenue ac have made a definite recommendation. count has also not been done. The They have calculated the cost of the budget speech says that this will be Government borrowing and they have written back to the revenue account said that this should be done on in the course of the next ten years. that basis. The Government should That means that Rs. 25 crores have not act as a commercial banker for not been found from the revenue ac the State Governments. They have count, but from the capital account or estimated the average cost to the Gov some other account. ernment of India of all the borrowings Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member's including treasury bills and on that time is up. basis, they have made certain re- commandationstf The Commission Shri A. C. Guha: Lastly, I want did not favour any indirect subsidy to point out that civil expenditure is nor did it like the idea that the mounting up high. From the last Central Government should act as year’s budget, this year’s budget esti a commercial banker; the Central mate has been exceeded by Rs. 35 Government should not deal with the crores in civil expenditure and Rs. 14 States as if it was a commercial crores in the defence expenditure. banker. I think the Central Govern So, whatever revenues we are getting ment should have accepted the recom by way of new taxation, they are mendation of the Finance Commission mostly being consumed by civil and in this respect. Moreover, the com defence expenditure and also by the munique issued and placed before this rise in prices on our development House on the 12th March leaves an items. 6 per cent r urease on the basis other bad impression. It means that of Rs. 900 crores means an increase the recommendations of the Finance of Rs. 54 crores in the cost of those Commission are liable to be changed plan items which have to be met out by the Central Government. I know of these Rs. 900 crores allotted this the constitutional position is that, but year. the convention was being developed that the recommendation of the Fin Mr. Speaker: Shri Rajagopala Rao. ance Commission, just as the award Raja Mahendra Pratap (Mathura): made by a tribunal, are to be accept Has my turn come, Sir? ed in toto. I think that for a small sum, the Government should not have Mr. Speaker: This is not his turn. gone back on the previous decision The hon. Member will kindly wait: I and given this impression that the shall certainly call him. I have now recommendations of the Finance Com called another hon. Member. mission would be varied by the Cen tral Government according to their 12*46 hrs. desire. Shri Rajagopala Rao (Srikakulam): Mr. Speaker, for the first time since Finally, last year the Finance Minis independence, the budget this year is ter gave us an assurance that, marked by the absence of fresh taxa tion on the common man. It is “My intention is to build up because a pedestrian has a greater from out of the additional rates of awareness of fellow -pedestrians' prcb- 5**3 G en a m tS w la ei-- 17 MARCH 19S8 General Dtacuarion 52x4 terns than a motorist who is interested Ministries in the States are toying in his own speedy progress whatever with the idea of an arbitrary ceiling it may cost the man in the street. I on landholdings. If the I.C.S. officer, hope the new Finance Minister will Minister and business executive in be able to inject a new dynamism the cities and towns can draw four- into our economy and prompt people figure monthly salaries, why should willingly to put up with the rigours rural income be limited to Rs. 3,600 a and hardships inevitable in a phase year’ Why should there be so much of reconstruction like ours. Now the of discrimination? That is the ques Finance Minister alone can save the tion the peasants are asking every Flan by evoking the necessary res where. The poor peasant must be ponse from the people. Our position looked after well, and then only, we in world affairs is now consolidated can increase our food production and as a result of the Prime Minister’s save the drain of our foreign ex guidance for the last ten years. He change. should now devote his time and The Foodgrains Enquiry Committee attention to streamlining our economy, report also is based on the assump with the co-operation and assistance tion that fine phrases and long quo of our new Finance Minister and tations make up a policy. The peas Minister of Economic Affairs. ant needs incentive to produce more. The Prime Minister also needs to If, instead of providing that, you tax be congratulated for the introduction him heavily, freeze agricultural prices of the gift tax, with which all the arbitrarily and talk of co-operative recommendations of Professor Kaldor farming, he will be prepared to stay for an integrated tax structure have idle and starve rather than work hard been acted upon. There has been and remain half-fed. Has co-opera criticism of this tax proposal on the tive farming succeeded anywhere in ground that its yield will not be com any democratic country? mensurate with the effort it will In this connection, I wish to draw involve. That is a narrow approach attention to a popular story. It ap to the problem. The absence of fcift pears, in olden days a king ordered tax so far has been a prolific source each one of his subjects daily to con of concealment of income. Therefore, tribute a vesselful of milk. It was even if its yield i» not appreciable, it to be put in a tank specially built will swell collections from estate duty for the purpose. One of the subjects and other taxes. thought that if, instead of milk, he Bat I must in this connection plead put water in the tank, it would not be for scaling down of indirect taxes noticed because all others would be levied in the previous years which putting milk in it. But, in the even remain frozen at a high level. Second ing, when the king got the tank ly, the lowering of the exemption opened, he found only water in it, limit for estate duty will hit a section no milk. That would be the attitude of the middle-class. I request the of peasants participating in co-opera Prime Minister and the new Finance tive farming. Minister to reconsider these two ques Everybody thinks that it does not tions. matter if he slackens because there Further, while the overall economy are others to make it up. The same of the country is looking up, the posi attitude characterises most employees tion is not so happy in an agricul in our Government offices and in the tural area like Andhra Pradesh. It offices of the nationalised concerns. is now agreed on all hands that food After the nationalisation of life insur is the Achilles’s heel of the Plan. ance, policy-holders have stopped Still the producer of the foodgrains. receiving premium notices and the peasant, gets a raw deal and is receipts. I know a friend who was actually singled out for experimenta shunted from office to office for days tion of newfangled ideas. Planning on end till he wrote about it in the 215 ' G eneral B udgeU - 17 MARCH1958 . General Di*cu*tkm 5216 [Shri Rajagopala Rao] newspapers. So, I request the Fin South-Eastern Railway at Waltair ance Minister to knock realism into will remove transport bottle-necks the heads of some of the imaginative and other major difficulties in that executives. part of the country. There was also a scheme for a double railway line While efforts are thus being made between Waltair and Vizianagaram. to break the backbone of our agricul As the Vizag Port develops, the pres ture, there is no industrial develop sure on this railway will increase and ment also in our State of Andhra a double line is very essential. We Pradesh. There have been several welcome and thank the Caltex Co. schemes, but none of them has been for starting the refinery at Vizagapa taken up. For instance, there is a tam and we hope that more industries proposal to set up a fertiliser factory will be started there,, as our Chief near Vijayawada. I would request Minister said. the Government to take it up in this The House knows about the colossal financial year. Similarly, our Vamsa- loss involved in the building of the dhara project has been hanging fire for cargo ships and passenger ships like years now, though it would have in the State of Andamans at the Hindu creased food production in the area. stan Shipyard. I understand that the Now, with the prospects of credit French experts, put in charge of the facilities from West Germany being job, ignored the advice of our own very bright, I request the Government technical personnel and made a mess to go ahead with these projects. of it. The Government should hold The Andhra Pradesh Government an enquiry into it. has drawn up a comprehensive In my part of the State, in scheme for the establishment of five Srikakulam district, there is difficulty co-operative sugar factories. Out of for drinking water. There are about these, three have raised the required 50,000 fishermen and their families minimum share capital. Import living in the coast-line of Srikakulam licences for the machinery are prov district are suffering from want of ing a bottle-neck. I request the Gov drinking water. Everywhere there is ernment to help this co-operative water, but they could not get water venture by providing the necessary to drink. They have to trek even permits. 15 to 20 miles for getting drinking water. I request the Union Govern I believe the foreign exchange crisis ment to launch a scheme for the sup is a temporary one. If the country ply of drinking water to these unfor is to develop and go on developing tunates. The State Governmenthas in the next generation, the foreign not been able to do anything in the exchange difficulty will continue for matter. They were all Burma eva many years to come and the only cuees. They were not at all looked solution is to attract foreign capital. after like the Pakistan evacuees. Newspaper reports suggest that a The Vizagapatam port, which is the new use has been found in the U.S.A. best port in the country, and which for jute for lining irrigational canals, can play a key role in our commerce etc. Our Srikakulam jute which the and development of shipping also Indian Jute Mills Association has needs better attention. A compre found useless, may be allowed to be hensive plan for its development has exported so that we may earn foreign been drawn up. But, it remains to be exchange. But, before that is pos implemented. In this connection, I sible, it is necessary to fix a minimum wish to suggest that the location of price for jute. Already, the jute pro- the Divisional Headquarters of tbi the Divisional Headquarters of the General Budget— 17 MARCH 1958 General DiscwUm 52x8 mills. It is also shameful to see in collect. I believe that the net increase yesterday’s papers that in 1956, the in India’s population per day is in jute mills sustained a loss of Rs. 2*5 the region of 12,000 to 13,000 and crores. This may be enquired into. our weekly increase is in the region of 1 lakh. Every year, India’s population There has been crop failure in a is going up by 50 lakhs. Considering part of the Srikakulam district. The that the country is faced with to food Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh problem, it only behoves us that we Shri Sanjeeva Reddy toured the take stricter measures to see that entire district and granted interim framily planning, etc., are popularised relief to the poverty-stricken people. among the masses of our country. I request the Centre also to help us by starting early some irrigation pro We find today that even amongst jects and also the Vamsadhara project. the educated people, the number of Finally, it is quite some time since children are far too many. Among the Backward Classes Commission the poor people, it is certainly becom report was published. But, no action ing a very acute problem. There are has been taken on its recommenda always two ways of thinking. There is tions. We are told that the States are one school of thought which says that being consulted. I do not know when the number of children depends on the consultations will end and when God’s will. There is the other way of a better deal will be forthcoming for thinking like ours who belong to our backward classes. It seems that the Sputnik age who believe that per unless the Prime Minister himself haps we can control the number of moves in the matter, it will remain a children we have. I would therefore dead letter. like to request the Government that this important matter should be taken Mr. Speaker: Shri Kami Singhji. up with a great deal of urgency and Raja Mahendra Pratap: When the that we should have a Ministry for Family Planning. By having this, we hon. Prime Minister is here, if I could speak, it will be much better. will be dissipating all sorts of informa tion to the public. Also we should try to popularise voluntary sterilisation. I Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member think that there is no more positive may also go for lunch and come back. method of controlling population than sterilisation. Therefore, it is impera Shri Kami Singhji (Bikaner): tive that we try to popularise this Mr. Speaker, Sir, since the time method so that we can bring about a is short, I shall only try to con positive check. Perhaps, as a further centrate on two aspects which, I feel, incentive Government may consider are important in the interests of our giving certain amount in the shape of country. First is the question of presents to the poor people who volun over-population and the other one is tarily subscribe to getting themselves the question of wasteful expenditure sterilised. both at the State level and the Central level. 13 hrs. I am sure that everybody in this House and also outside in our country Mr. Speaker: Has the hon. Member realises that the rate at which the seen a report in the Press that the Madras Government is offering prizes Indian population is growing is some thing which must alarm everybody. of Rs. 50 each? I myself did not realise the fantasic rate of growth until I started collect Shri Kami Singhji: That is very- ing figures. Although I stand subject good; that is precisely what I want to correction, I would like to quote a few figures which I have been able to Shri Tyagi: That is too small 5319 General Budget— 17 MABCH 19S8 Ge*«ralDi»ouMto* && various levels is controlled, I am sur* Shri Karnl Singhji: The figure may that we will be able to have many be a little small, and the amount must more schools and colleges and hospi depend entirely on the experts. tals for our people than we have at present. But one thing is absolutely impor tant, that if we wish to make our Five It is also a known fact—I think it is Year Plan a success, it is imperative not necessary for me to emphasise it again—that particularly in the Build that our population figures should be ings Department the amount of cor so controlled that India can afford to expand and spend her money proper ruption is so fantastic that it is almost accepted in every-day life. I think i f ly. Otherwise, with an increase of 50 lakhs a year no matter how ambi the Government would see that this tious our Plan may be, it can never be so-called padding on of prices od a complete success as our Prime Minis various items, particularly Govern ter wishes it to be. ment buildings, roads and so forth, is controlled, I am sure that we could make our Five Year Plan a greater There are various ways of doing success. this and I am sure the Government of India is trying to do their best. Another way in which I found that Methods of propaganda through films, wasteful expenditure takes place is newspapers, etc., are being resorted to, at the State level with regard to allo but I suggest that it should be taken cation and distribution of Five Year far more seriously than at present. Plan funds. We find that the State' Boys and girls in colleges should like Governments do not spend the money wise be given a certain amount of at the right time and when the laps education in family planning so that ing time arrives, they go about spend when they get married they may be ing it in a hurry without any thought prepared to face this problem. We of priorities. I think the Central Gov should also see that the clinics have ernment should see that when they the best doctors, so that the fear in make available to the States certain the mind of the people to t sums for development purposes this sterilisation is removed. I am sure money is spent month-wise and not that the Ministry of Health would spent in a hurry without taking into look into this matter. consideration priorities. Coming to the second point, the Now, Sir, there is another factor way public finances are wasted both which I would like to bring to the at the Centre and in the States, I notice of this House. It is the amount would like to point out that today we of money that is sometimes withheld do not get the full value for our to the nation in forms of discounts and money. We see that ever since Inde commission which may be given to pendence the price of vairous things our various purchasing missions. It has been on the gradual increase. is a pretty well accepted fact that Whether you look at roads, or build when large purchases are made a cer ings, or bridges, for everything the tain amount of commission and dis estimates are there first, and g r a d u a lly count is made available by firms to* the increase in costs goes on. And people. They may be in the shape of every year you find that roads are money or anything else. But it is costing us more, our schools are cost essential for the Government to see ing us more and so forth. If the Gov that these discounts are made available ernment could tighten up the expen to the nation. One of the best diture and see that corruption at methods of checking it is to see that ^ QmraiBi17 MARCH 1958 G en eralD tiem h n y u a - when large purchases are made, do ly agree to work on Saturdays. I we buy at the list price, or do we have always felt that Saturdays- buy at a price lower than, the list should not be holidays. Considering,, price. Now we know that as indivi that one day, I believe according to- duals when we go to the market if figures worked out in 1952, costs the we try hard, we could work up to tax-payer in the region of Rs. 60,000, 25 per cent, discount. I would like to to keep the Lok Sabha and Rajyfc- know, therefore, that when the nation Sabha idle, when we could very well buys aeroplanes, or refrigerators, or be working here, is not right. I am. airconditioners, or whatever it may sure that brother Members here be, are we getting that trade discount, would like to make a gesture by' and' is that being made available to working on Saturday also. (Interrup the nation or not. tions.) I would just like to draw the atten An Hon. Member: Throughout tion of the House to a pointed fact. the year. This is about the Western Shipping Corporation. The Chairman in his Shri Kami Singhji: We could pass speech has mentioned how he has as many rules as we like; we could made available a discount of £ 47,718 have orders; we can have anti-corrup to the nation. He said: tion departments or anything else. But the most important thing is that “I accordingly discussed this we should generate in the minds of matter with the brokers and was our younger generation a feeling that able to get them to agree that they they as Indian citizens cannot stoop would not charge a commission to low things and that this feeling, higher than 2% in any single must come from within us. No Gov transaction, that half of the com ernment can make these rules. There mission would be paid to the Cor fore, I would like to appeal to my poration and that in no case would brother members that we should try they pay anything by way of and infuse a new way of thinking commission to any individual.” among us, a new way of thinking This was an honest officer who among our children throughout India, stipulated this. But I would like the so that when they grow up and come Ministry of Finance to s£e that this into various Government departments and our Lok Sabha we would have a is stipulated in all cases. nation free of corruption and people Then he goes on to say: who will be proud of their country. “As a result of the formulation Shri Parulekar (Thana): Mr. of the above purchase procedure Speaker, Sir, within the time at my the Corporation was able to earn disposal, it is not possible for me to a total commission of £47,718..." cover the various aspects of the Bud This is a very considerable sum get. I will therefore, confine myself amounting to nearly Rs. 6 lakhs. to one of the most important aspects I am sure that when it comes to of the Budget large purchases which result in crores and crores of rupees, if this It is claimed that the structure of type of money in the shape of dis taxation proceeds towards the goal counts and commissions is made of socialist pattern of society, that the available to the nation, it would be structure of taxation tries to ensure something we can well feel proud of. equitable distribution of national in come and thereby raises the standard Another way—charity should begin of life of the common masses of the at home—is that we the Members of people. It is necessary for us to Parliament should, I think, voluntari consider whether this claim is valid, 52 a § General Budget— 17 MARCH 1868 G eneral Discussion 5224 [Shri Parulekar] whether it has any substance, or So, tiie national income of the Indus* -whether it is hollow and deceptive. trial sector has continuously increas Sir, the first Plan has been complet ed from 1948-49 up to date.'’ ed; we have completed two years of the Second Five Year Plan. It is, Now, I will turn to the profits of therefore, time for us to consider the this industrial sector. The follow whole matter. My submission will be ing are the indices of 'the industrial that the structure of taxation has profits of all the industries: •aided the capitalist structure of society 1949 j8 i'S to develop and to strengthen, and 1950 246-6 secondly, that it has fleeced the com* xnon man and bled him white. 1951 310*5 1952 190-6 There are facts and figures in abun- 1953 261'2 ■ dance, but I will cite only a few of 1954 320-8 them. Let us have a glimpse of the 1955 334*3 realities as they are. In this connection, I will refer to The figures which I have quoted just -the figures of industrial production, now will show that the industrial pro the figures of national income in the duction has increased, that the nation industrial sector, and the figures of al income of the industrial sector industrial profits. These are the increased by Rs. 390 crores between figures of industrial production, the 1948-49 and 1955-56, that the index of tmse year 1951 being 100: industrial profits was 181-5 in 1949 and 334*3 in 1955, showing a rise of .... 1952 103-6 153 points. 1953 IOS'6 Let me pass on to the figures of the IT2'9 1954 burden of taxation on this industrial 1955 122-1 sector and the class profited by this sector. Let me quote the figures of 1956 132-7 the Corporation Tax. Following November 1957 • 148-0 figures show the Corporation Tax col lected in the various years: So, industrial production has been continuously increasing from 1951, Rs. in crore and it has increased by 48 points over 1948-49 64 4be figure of 1951. 1949-50 40 I will pass on to the other table of 1950-51 39 figures of national income. The fol 1951-52 41 lowing are the figures of the national 1952-53 44 income of the industrial sector: 1953-54 41 Rs. in crores. 1954-55 37 1948-49 1,480 The other day, the representative 1949-50 1,500 of Big Business, hon. Member Shri 1950-51 i>530 Morarka, gave a list of the taxes, the number of taxes, which have been 1951-52 1,680 levied cm the industrial sector, but 1.700 he forgot to mention the amount l95*-53 which ha* been collected By the Cor 1953-54 1,770 poration Tax. *954-55 z,8xo I will read out another table which 1955-56 1.870 relates to the income which the Stale Gen*mtBMdget-~ 17 MABCH 1W8 General 2H$dwnbri gets from income-tax. These figures say is that the omission serves the also are very revealing: interests of the ruling class. Rs. in crores X will refer to the figures of the bur *948-49 . . . 133 den of taxation on the vast mass of the common people. The figures are 1949- 5° • 1:2 revealing. These are the figures 1950-51 • 152 which have been given in the esti mate of the national income 1958-80 1931-52 140 which was given to us in May, 1957. The total burden of indirect taxation 1952-53 • 144 on the common mass of people is as 1953-54 ■ 129 follows: Rs. in crores J954-55 • 130 1948-49 3*2 I may be told, or I may be remind 1949-50 394 ed, that these figures are not up to 1950-51 42S date. It is true they are not up to date. I may also be told that new 1951-52 531 burdens of taxation have been impos 1952-53 461 ed in the form of Wealth Tax, Expen 1953-54 473 diture Tax, and other taxes, but even 1954-55 522 taking them into consideration, the During the period, between 1948-49 proposition which I want to submit to and 1954-55, the burden of indirect this House is not materially altered; taxation on the common man increas and that is, that the production of the ed by Rs. 160 crores. This figure industrial sector has increased, the does not include the new burden national income of this sector has which was laid on the shoulders of also increased, the profits of this sec the common man during the last two tor have also increased, but the bur years, but the fact remains that the den of taxation has not increased pro burden of taxation on the common portionately, and I am afraid it has man has continuously increased dur decreased. ing this period, and increased to such I will now try to refer to the other an extenf that the burden has become side of the picture, namely the bur unbearable. den of taxation on the common man There is another factor which has and the lot of the common man under got to be taken into consideration the burden of taxation. when we consider the lot of the com mon man. The real income of the Along with the papers of the common man has deteriorated during Budget, an economic survey was cir this period because he has been culated to us, and it is really amaz squeezed by another factor, namely ing that a Government which believes the rise in prices of the commodities, in the socialist structure of society, of those articles which are the neces which goes on declaring that this is sities of life. I will not quote the the object for which it is working, figures, but they are available. should not give in this economic sur vey a picture of the economy, of the It may be said, and it has often life of the people. It does not show, been said, and that seems to be the there is no mention whatsoever in the pet theory of the Home Minister, that whole of the economic survey to show, the purchasing' power of the under whether the standard of life of the nourished, of every person in the common man, whom this Welfare State country, has increased. That is a aim at serving, has deteriorated o f myth. improved. The omission may be In th« agricultural sector, the real accidental or otherwise; all that I can income 6t the agricultural labourers. 5227 G eneral Budget— i? MARCH 1988 G eneral D itcunkm 522* [Shri Parulekar] the poor peasants and the other un the scheduled banks was Rs. SIS 27 skilled workers in the village who crores, while in 1953 it was Rs. 830 together constitute about 90 per cent crores, in 1954 it was Rs. 365 crores, of the rural population, has dete in 1955 it was Rs. 415 crores, in 1956 riorated during this period. it was Rs. 457 crores, and in 1957 it was Rs. 667 crores. The savings of The real income of the middle class the people, of the common man and also has deteriorated during this everybody else who can save, are period. The conclusion which available with the scheduled banks. emerges from what I have stated is But Government are not searching for that the real income of the vast mass the increased savings with the sched of the people who constitute about uled Banks. That is why it has ninety per cent of the total population become an urgent necessity to nation in the country has gone down, but alise the banks. their burden of taxation has increased during this period. This is the picture that emerges. In this connection, I would mention one thing. What is the role of the To anticipate the argument of Gov bank? The role of the bank is to ernment, they vmay say and they may collect the savings of the entire peo admit that the picture which I have ple and make them available to the painted may be real, but their argu capitalist class to earn profits. That ment would be and their excuse would is the role that the banks are playing, be that they have no alternative and that is why their nationalisation resources. That again is a myth. The is urgently necessary. If Government alternative resources are there, and want to have more savings, and want they are ample. But they will not that the Plan must succeed without touch them because they do not fit much difficulty, they must nationalise in within the framework of the econo the banks. mic policies which they want to pur sue and which they are pursuing. I I know that the present Finance shall not mention them now, because Minister or the Finance Minister who we have mentioned them at various is going to take charge shortly will stages. not be in favour even of this measure. But I want to tell him that he should Now, Government are in search of ponder over it. If banks are national small savings, because there is a short ised, the State will have complete fall in small savings. Is it not a fact control over the credit machinery; that the real income of those who are and without complete control over the in the habit of depositing their savings in the postal banks has gone down? credit machinery, no planned develop ment is possible. It is Utopian to Is that not a proof that they are searching for savings in the wrong believe, that without having a comp quarters? They want to intensify lete control over the credit machinery, they can have planned development. their efforts. I wish them good luck. If they nationalise the banks, they will But my point is that they are not have complete control over the credit searching for the savings where they machinery. Secondly, they will have are available. And here are the fig at their disposal the savings of the ures which will show where they are people. As I have just pointed out, available. They are available with the savings have been increasing the scheduled banks. continously with the scheduled banks, The time-deposits with the schedul and those savings will be at the dis ed Banks have increased continuously posal of Government for distribution. from 1952 up to 1957, for which period They can give a part of the savings figures are available with me. In to the private sector, and they can 1952* the figure of time-deposits with utilise the rest for the implementation General Budget— 17 MAJtCS 1988 General Discvtsion 5330 of the Second Five Year Plan. In that that class has become so dominant addition, they will get the profits ot and that it is threatening our econo* the banking industry also. That is mic policy and we have seen how it why I say that it is urgently necessary has threatened. These were the few that the scheduled banks and the remarks which I wanted to offer on banking industry should be nationa this Budget and I thank you for lised. giving me this opportunity. 1 now come to my last point. The Mr. Speaker: Now, Kumari M. Second Five Year Plan must succeed. Vedakumari. We are one with Government in this Raja Mahendra Pratap: Is it my respect I think, despite various turn now? difficulties, it will succeed; despite the howling from certain quarters, it is Mr. Speaker: There are two more bound to succeed. But the question speakers, and then I shall call the hon. is this. Should the Plan be imple Member. He may have his lunch if he mented at the cost of unnecessary likes, or keep on hearing others, and suffering and sacrifices on the part of then reply. the common people? That is where we differ from the policies which Kumari M. Vedakumari (Eluru): It Government want to pursue. The is defined in a book that a pedestrian question is: Why has the standard is a man who has two cars; one is of living of the vast mass of the com taken away by a termagant wife and mon people deteriorated, while the the other by a reckless son. Of all production is increasing? How is it the people in the world, the pedes that the profits of the capitalist class trian is a pitiable and helpless man, are increasing, when we want to usher and if he indulges in gay walking, he in a socialist pattern of society? How will surely be turned into meat on the is it that the Second Five Year Plan high traffic centre. Unless one is very is facing difficulties in the form of careful, one is bound to be crushed on inadequate internal resources? These the traffic centre of the highroad. I phenomena are not accidental. They mean that in an age of conflicting are inherent in the economic policy ideas and quick traffic of ideals, one which Government are pursuing. should be very careful or elsa one And these economic policies would be crushed. This Budget is a have their origin in the laws Budget where those policies and ideals of the capitalist economy are carried in the same way a3 in the which they, have adopted and which last Budget. they want to uphold. The phenomena which I have just stated are, but the It is rather difficult to understand natural and inherent consequences of why all the best brains in this coun the laws which they want to operate try and in the Planning Commission and which they have adopted, though gave us such a schedule that it has on the lips, the socialist pattern of become impossible for us to keep up society is very popular. That is why to that schedule unless something Government's practice is contrary to miraculous turns out. Last year, at what they profess. They profess to about the same time, the Treasury usher in a socialist pattern of society, Benches were scoffing at idea of mis but they are strengthening the capital calculation or the wrong calculation ist structure of society. They want of our resources. Now, they are to raise the standard of living of the speaking of the core of the Plan. common man, but their practice is Thank God. I hope next year they such that the standard of living of the would not speak of the core’s core. common man is deteriorating. They want to see that the capitalist class What we need today is not -the cut and the private sector does not become ting or the re-phasing of the Plan, but dominant, but their practice is such the re-thinking of the Plan. As one 5231 General Budget— 17 MABCH 1#58 General Discussion [Kumari M. VedakumariJ hon. Member from the opposite side make both ends meet. I think the has mentioned, from the ■ information Government are following any policy we are getting we are not able to as but a rational and good policy. sess the total impact of the new taxes on the common man. There is no comprehensive body or commission to It is also claimed that the banking system in our country is working so study what the impact of the new efficiently and in such a magnificent taxes on the social set-up is, what the way. But I cannot understand one level of productivity is, what the thing. The State Bank of India has level of employment is, and what been established in order to improve the total level of the impact of taxa the position of the rural population. tion on the people is. They want to solve the rural credit problem. But what we see is chat the 1 think there should be an autono rural peasant is in the same position, mous body, a Commission, to study and credit facilities have not reached what the impact of the taxes on the the rural population. We see from the level of productivity, level of employ Reserve Bank bulletin that they are ment and of wages is. These things using only 3 per cent, of the govern should be studied from time to time mental rural credit. Still the money and the Commission should report on lender plays an important role in the what the reflections or repercussions rural area. This is a regular inhibi are of the new taxes introduced in the tion on the production of paddy and budget. rice. We are providing so many irri gation facilities and everything, but It is disappointing to note that' in these are not used by the rural pea the Economic Survey, a main, major sant because of the flat water rate and and very important problem has not the lack of rural credit. We speak of been mentioned—I refer to memploy banking as working efficiently, but ment. I do not know why. We are when we see what it has done to the trying very hard to give a fillip to the rural population, we must think about solution of this very acute problem, it once more. but I do not know why not even a sentence is mentioned about it in the Economic Survey. I think the hon. In all matters of policy, I think we ‘pedestrain’ is not interested in it. must be rational, sober and sane. We should not base all our principles, Development is obvious in the orga policies on lackadaisical or prestige nised and public sector. But «rhat do reasons. If I say something about we see in the un-organised and rural Prohibition, some people may revolt, sector. That problem is tackled in a because I belong to the Party in very uninteresting, spineless, spirit power. But anyhow, seen from the less and weak-kneed way. These peo economic point of view, how much ex ple are more burdened than any other penditure we have incurred and what people. But except for a rich crop of amount of revenue we are losing? To speeches and assurances, nothing has enforce this law, we are spending a been coming out from policy-makers. lot of money. But the fun is that in our country, we are permitted to pro The South Zone has been formed. duce neera. Neera, if consumed im It has been formed in such a callous mediately, is a good commodity. But way that even the genuine demands within two hours, it becomes today. o f rice mills of Andhra were ignored, Then it comes to this; that even a and they were criticised as anti-social licensed commodity, without any people or something like that. They body's responsibility, becomes a pro are actually on the verge of closing hibited commodity. That means, the down the mills because they cannot holder Is a culprit. Without anybody** - X 3 m ^ 17 M ABCH 1W 8 OmeralDiteustion 5234. responsibility, automatically the same prehension of one’s mind. I like not commodity will turn into toddy. to appear as sentimental, but batter to appear as sensible. Coming to the Andhra State, there are two areas, wet and dry areas. Up I should like to mention one thing.- to'Suryapet, the Minister checks pro In Madras State, when they were try duction, distribution and everything ing to enforce Prohibition, they were about toddy. After crossing the mile giving some licences. The first license— stone, he speaks about Prohibition. I holder was an officer of the Prohi do not know what this piece of foolery bition department! is about. This does not bring in any kind of revenue or anything useful to us. We can sacrifice something, even An Hon. Member: Good. a social or moral principle. But this is just breeding the law-breaking sense. Kumari M. Vedakumari: He was. It is breeding corruption also. We are filling himself up, as is mentioned in not able to enforce it. Dickens’ novels, and he was going and instructing his subordinates not to- Mr. 8peaker: For the sake of drink! money, we ignore the moral contents! Mr. Speaker: Only the drunkard! Kumari M. Vedakuamari: When we knows the difficulties consequent on are in difficulty about implementing drinking. our Second Plan, when we are going abroad beginning to get some money, Kumari M. Vedakumari: But he ir- why not be sensible about it? Because given a licence. an educated man, even if he is a drunkard, is better to the country than Shri Tyagi: Licence to drink. an uneducated person. For primary and compulsory education, we are not Kumari M. Vedakumari: So when-, doing anything. We have told the we say anything, we must not put our country that we want to implement selves in the position ‘Please do what the policy of compulsory education. I say, but do not do what I do’. That But what are we doing in that direc will be our policy—it has become like- tion? Nothing. Let us give education. that. He will automatically and really un derstand the moral behind it, as to So I request that this may be under- ■ what he should do. But being illite stood not in any other way but in a . rate and going on drinking only breeds realistic, more comprehensive and: the law-breaking sense. consistent way. Even from the economic point of Coming to national savings, all the* view, even from the social point of Cabinet Ministers and the Treasury view, I think we must be a bit practi Benches know that we could not do * cal and reasonable rather than be what we wanted to. To increase the- sentimental. level of consumption is an important question in the development of our- Shri Tyagi (Dehra' Dun): Shri economy. Unless there is regular- Morarji Desai will do it. demand, production will not take- place. That is why we want to con Kumarl M. Vedakumari: I do not sume, and at the same time, to save like to criticise any particular Minis But the people are so poor that they* ter’s policy, but I say what I feel. I cannot do anything. think, with my own humble know ledge, that there is a lot of inconsis When we are giving so many ser tencies, and this is beyond the com mons from the mount of Olympus, we* QenerdlBvdgfc*- 17 MARCH 1TO8 G*n«n4Di*cu**ion [Kumari M. Vedakumari ] . must also be careful in our own Gov we must be prepared, so that we are ernmental expenditure. We must do not caught unawares. This is due to what we should do. We must do what economic point of view. And, to have we can do within our own compre very good trade relations with under hension, within our own resources. developed countries, America or Extravagant or extra expenditure on Russia has to come and help us. There is nothing wrong. We are the part of Government should be in a taking loans as friends and we will very careful and limited way. repay them at some future date. So, I do not attach any value to the criti When discussing the difficulties of cisms of the Opposition Members. the Plan, some people have blamed us that we are getting aid and foreign 13.41 hrs. exchange from America. Our Com [M r . D e p u t y -S p e a k e r in the Chair] munist friends have criticised us for . going with a begging bowl to Ame rica. But that is not the point. When Coming to the most important ques we see all the ‘yellow’ pages of indus tion of higher administration we trial countries, we realise that unless are faced with the most tenacious one is helped one cannot advance in trade union. This is an expression used by Panditji in his Discovery of this field. Even America had an in India. Recent events have shown flux of foreign funds. Unless one is significant signs of this dying dynasty. helped, no country can develop. So there is nothing wrong in getting help Recent events have shown that some from foreign countries. of the confidential matters are taken out by some of our Members. Wc back-benchers cannot understand how When Alfred Marshall was giving the information was given to the hon. • evidence before the Royal Commis Members from secret files. sion, he said that Britain should fol Shri Tyagi: Then pinch it. low a rational and sensible poiicy; she .should help under-developed coun Kumari M. Vedakumari: But most tries. What he meant was that no secret information has been given in country could dominate any other this Parliament by some hon. Mem country. In the same sentence, he bers. I do not know how this infor has said: “England can be a leader, mation was given to these Members. but not the leader” . Shri Tyagi: Not officially given. Therefore, no country, not even the Kumari M. Vedakumari: Even the -dollar area or the Soviet bloc or any Ministers cannot read out all the other country can dominate our own matters they have got in the files or economic sphere. So we need not fear from any source. They have got the because we are getting help, aid and Official Secrets Act. The files have loans from other countries. to be kept in a secret wayA If the We fear we may come under Ameri information is used for a good public can domination or Russian domina purpose, there is no harm in it. But, tion. That is all nonsense. Even the it may be used in a bad way also. developed countries that give aid and I should like to put a plain question loans have their own problems. Un that all of us can get information. less they help other countries, they Does it mean from the confidential ' cannot have better relations with records of official people? those countries when they develop. That is why even Karl Marx in the I should like to put a similarly introduction to his book Magnum plain question about prohibition. Why ■■Opus said that when we know certain a commodity, which is allowed in the ■changes are coming in other countries beginning and which after one day General Budget— 17 MARCH 1958 G eneral D iscussion 523ft when it becomes jaggery is also 'R f*T5T ^ TTrTT t f?pT VT allowed, should not be allowed in the middle? In the beginning it is allow *t*tt* Tjprr \ farcrct fa ^ tt*t ed; in the final stage it is allowed; fiiw r f% sra fw rr sanf^rr only in the middle, it is not allowed. stVt jtt ^f>r*r v fw [, I think this is nothing but solidified unimaginative and diehard nonsense, Iff w in ' VFT WfH % f ^ , yrrvt devoid of realism. We must do every 33R ^ 5R^?t V f ^ , thing by conviction. When we do 3TR =3|Tf?nT farr ^Tift afrvft something like that, we must know what is behind that. I belong to the Congress Party. From the economic point of view, I should like to say [?.ft "{~ ~ Ol+Hf] r~q;ffi{fr ;qlrf'f :qr%q; Cfi2: ~rm-it mm ~. 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Hfi4V ’srsrr srjfr « m ff w JTjff JPT »rv% 5 1 p r tP ’ Ci«r, ?*n\T ^ t t fa a n T f a m ip rr, ?fr ss* f^rfasr w «*Rrr^ 1 *ifir w* wm t f»r ^ fcr tpp TTSft W T TT ^ I 5243 General Bud***— 17 MARCH 1958 GeneraiDiacuuion [«ft *r# 5tft «mr] !? f a % i i s f »rrt jr*TPr tft f^^5F^fa3r>?ft^?r*rr^t # ft ?rT^ft % *rr*rr ??w»r %$ v\x 'rmrmra: ^ smfrf%wr gjT?ft t, # ^ artrnrr fa *?!b> fa*?™ % ff^rt «rtT «fV3fr «r=nr ^t*t ^T^fr f \ jftsRT wv4t i fr*rrc ^ o ff * im HZ' ^5TPf t fa tftr ^ m'j^r ^t i *'1% ^ fiwr v v i ^ t r t zrf gsrrc- w r *rrfa sr^ vfw p r % ?rgfk?TcT f< m t v tr ^ ^rnfr vr faw Tfsr^r sr^rr^r ^rf?q-, ^fa* i ^ r *r sr#!- m*rnfr f t srwft i ^ t T3TC q-^r % ^rq- ft *m | *fa zrfe * s ^ ?t 3ft ftW , Wm W spt % =TT ?ptf rTd^T srr^ h w r tt^ ^ ? p t ^ ?n ?fff3ft iftft faf?w*T fror. fara% ?r*rr> fa^rn: t r ^Tf^r «ftr f*rr ^r^rtr ^ ^r^r f^sft v ? w TTfr**r?T ft *t* i *T?? ?f^r 3PFft £ fa ^rr ^nfejT t rr^ rfr f^ t *t *W * &T VFTOf TTT # 3rr^ ^T^ft ^fr »TfP^rr i\ ^rr«rnr «Yr fa 5*r Vt ^ ^ fa^ff TT fa'JTT § ^ 5 f r M r ?r?ft s r m s ^ r ^ f r ^ f t JT ^*rr q f i f^rcr fa^re jn^eft f, ^ ^rT^Ttift grot i f???t ^ft ?**t *rr^ ^ fk i ■s^'t src ;rft ^fta- a r t t * * t srn'T % f^^ft ^ ^r*T5T f^rcrr ^ r m iw m ht^t ^rfp7 i «TT5r # ^r r?^t ^T «T^^r fTT? »T *r 7*r% *rrnfa^ k s ft? ? n ^ T V *TSFT^ ft I T$t, fa *m ^refY^rr *is t f t ^ far Shri Heda (Nizamabad): Mr. t|| i wnft tht ^rfts^ % fa r 4*tt ^ Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the debate in t ’fftr ^TT'fTT s rfo * % f 14 hrs. I call this quite proper because we have ushered ourselves into the Five Year Plans Era. Once the Five Year JflRT trap ^ f ^ t afr STT^ # Plans—in this particular case the KTZm i \ $ WT% tt(X »T^t- Second Five Year Plan—have been, 5*45 Central Budget— 1? MARCH 1958 G eneral Discussion 5246 accepted, the taxation policy is a natu failure at the taxation policy or the ral corollary, and that is why this Second Five Year Plan. year’s Budget is not so crucial as was last year’s. There is talk about deficit While replying to a similar discussion The Prime Minister has already in Rajya Sabha, the Deputy Finance stated that this is a pedestrian Bud Minister in his speech gave certain get. Kumari Vedakumari has given a figures about the quantum of deficit good interpretation of it. In my opi financing that the Govemmnet have nion it is not a pedestrian Budget. It adopted so far. The target in the is the maintenance of high speed. Second Five Year Plan was Rs. 1209 That is clear. I would rather call it crores. It was urged upon the Gov a “high speed maintenance Budget”. ernment that they should not adopt The taxation policy is to maintain the it for more than about Rs. 900 crores. speed of the progress that we had I think they have already adopted decided last year. Wo ore maintain deficit financing to the extent of ing its level; we are maintaining that about Rs. 600 crores—I think it is not speed; we are not going slow. exactly Rs, 600 crores; so far as the Centre is concerned I think it is Aa Hon. Member: “Locomotive Rs. 567 crores, but if we add deficit Budget”. financing in the various States, which is not very material or sizeable, the Shri Heda: My friend says that it figure would be about Rs. 600 crores. is a “locomotive Budget”. I think I think the Deputy Finance Minister that is a better term. gave an impression in the other House that by the end of this year deficit Sir, when I find that Opposition financing would come to about Rs. 800 Members extend their lull support croces. He felt that by the end of the and sometimes give an impression Second Five Year Plan it may not go that if at all there is any attack or beyond Rs. 1200 crores. opposition to the Budget or taxation policy it is from the private Members Sir, the last two years are generally belonging to the Congress Party, I very crucial in the implementation of feel that there is a subtle game behind the Five Year Plans and the quantum it. The motive, it seems to me, is of expenditure generally rises. That that they give full support to the Five has been our experience in the First Year Plan and to the taxation policy Five Year Plan period also. In fact, so that when the Plan is successful, in the first one or two years of the when the taxation policy leads us Frist Five Year Plan we were not towards a socialistic pattern of able to reach the expenditure targets society, they would naturally and but in the last two years we did very justifiably share the achievements but well. That may be repeated again; in case—God forbid—there are any at least let us anticipate that. There shortcomings, which I think they fore, I feel that deficit financing may expect, in the achievement of the even go up beyond the plan target Plan targets 1 am quite sure they will of Rs. 1200 crores. Even then I turn round on us and say that would not feel that the situation because of this or because of that the would be alarming in any way. Government failed, and they will reap a harvest out of that failure. Acharya Kripalani, the other day made a very moving speech criticis I am stating this because I feel I ing the deficit financing and the infla should defend some of the Members tion that has arisen out of it Sir, in the Congress Party, who have the success or otherwise of deficit made little attacks here and there financing would be judged from the because their approach is realistic. inflation or otherwise that we would They should share the success or the be finding in our society. What it 5*47 G eneral Budget— 17 MARCH 1988 General Discussion [Shri Heda ] the position today? Some people say high cost of the land which that already there are inflationary not be so at least in a city like Delhi tendencies. From the speech of where the available land area is Acharya Kripalani one would feel very vast. that we are very much weighed under the pressure of deficit financing So, money market is not at all tight. that has been adopted so far, but if The trend of the prices is not so bad. we go by certain symptoms of deficit In fact, there was a study made both financing. I feel that with the deficit in the United States and in the' United financing that we have so far adopted Kingdom about the real price of the inflationary tendencies are not at currency in different countries and it all alarming. was found that sterling has dropped by about 44 per cent in the last ten Acharya Kripalani himself said that years in its value. The dollar has if production keeps pace with deficit also dropped out of its real value by financing, if the increase in waggs. about 20 per cent. It was only the keeps pace with deficit financing Indian rupee which stood v§jy v^ l, if the general level of natfenali ana‘therefore to say that tKese.^gg^ income keeps pace with deficit financ inflationary tendencies, that prices are ing no undesirable results../Vgpuld-: occur. He is quite rigW* fcwJu-k tfrfofci rfeirf c ( l P W & P i the mistake he or some Ojtt»e$^Ig!'e ( any more deffcft making is that, when we think, gf.. think, correct. this we immediately think that we have adopted deficit financing up to Let us go b^'^htfee^ Rs. 800 crores and accordingly pur till we do not find income would have gone up by about tendency in the society, I think wfi1, Rs. 5000 crores or something like can safely adopt this deficit financing that. That is not so. which is one of the sound economic basis to provide money for develop Let us judge this inflation from the ment purposes. other tests, from the symptoms as I have said earlier. Let us see whether So far as production is concerned, the prices have gone very high. Let it has gone on very well. From the us And out how the money position Economic Survey which has been is, whether money is ample and quite supplied to us along with the budget easily available in the market. Well, papers, I shall read a sentence or 1 think the money market was never two: so tight as it is today. We are conti nuously increasing the bank rate. If “The index of agricultural pro we go by the private interest, even if duction which had declined from you pledge gold it is very difficult to 116.4 in 1954-55 to 115.9 in 1955- get money at the rate of 9 per cent. 56, recorded a sharp increase to One has to pay even 12 per cunt, and 123.0 in 1956-57. The production if anybody has got hard cash, surely of cereals went up from 54.5 he makes more than 12 per cent, million tons in 1955-56 to 57.3 today, and quite easily toff. A perti million tons in 1956-57” . nent example in this regard may be found in the various small, beautiful So far as commercial crops are con houses that are coming in round about cerned, “the increase was about 8 per Delhi and which are given on very cent" In agriculture, one has to decent rents, Rs. 1,000, Rs. 1,200 and depend upon the vagaries of Nature, Rs. 1,500 a flat. I think in my own since we are very much dependent estimate they make about 10 to 18 upon the rainfall and various otter per cent on the investment they have factors, but if we look at the indus put in. and this is so in spite of very trial production we find that the 5249 General Budget- 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion index in 1954 was 112.9. In 1955, it this rut and see around and have a rose up to 122.1. In 1956, it rose general view. I want that we should further to 133.0. Then there are the make a new society, with new ideas. figures for various months for 1957. These ideas, as they are prevailing I would take the last figure only, and now, make us fight and they divide that is for the month of November, us. I say that we must have new 1957. It is 148.1. So, it we consider ideas, but at the same time, we should all this, production is really increas- keep our old culture. On the basis ing. of our old culture, we should build A general question is put to us, our future. whether the common man's lot is Now, I call these ideas as ruts of bettered or whether he is still suffer- ideas. For example: They speak a ing under the same weight of poverty, deal about public sector, or disease and all that . Well, all great private sector, or nationalisation, and these things are there. Kumari all these things. These ideas grew M. Vedakumari asked what the during the last 50 to 60 years, and quantum of unemployment was they have captured the minds of our and how the common man was faring. Members, and they do not get out of I think it is for us to go among the those ideas. They do not know why masses, move among them and find these ideas were created, how they out the difference. I have done such developed; they have no knowledge a work to a little extent, especially in of it. They find themselves in the my · constituency, and to some extent midst of a stream of certain ideas and in the whole of Andhra Pradesh area. they go on in that stream which goes I have found that the problems of on. unemployment are decreasing. When I talk of it now, I am not talking I say that people should get free- about the educated people. Educated dom which they are not getting now. unemployment is certainly increasing, They are hampered at -every step, because the number of educated everywhere. I do not mind if people people is enormously increasing. But, make money; I do not mind if they if you go into the question of unem- start new industries. But I woulq ployment in the rural sector, it is certainly mind if they do certainly decreasing, and if you go something in which time is wasted into the aspect of the standard of life, or energy is wasted. I shall mind for the last five to ten years, of the if they will enjoy life in a way that lowest strata in any village, you will they spread diseases and make people find that there is a definite change. idle or do anything of the kind. So, Maybe they have not come to the what I think is, we should not mind mark; maybe it will take some time if some people make wealth, but we for them to come up to the mark. But should see that they do not enjoy in I am sure that their conditions will a certain way which makes waste of really show an improvement in future. time and energy. Under the circumstances, I think I want Sir, that we should change if ,r that we adopt the steps that we the syste~ of the Government. This have taken so far, our aim to realise system of Government was started t the targets of the second Five Year by the British for the British, with Plan would be justified. the aid of those people who took Raja Mahendra Pratap: I rise to b~ibes from the British against the speak on the general budget and so interests of the country. Thus this I shall be speaking on general points. machine was built up. So I say we I say that Members of the House and must change this entire machine, the members of the Government are mov- rule of the collectors and of captains; ing in certain ruts of ideas. My con- the rule of the baton and the rule of ...... cern is that they ------should get out of the police must go. We should really 5*51 General Budget- 17 M&BC& IMA CkMralDUctMwo* $2$ * [Baja Mahendra Pratap] give freedom to the people. The can bring it about, there will be no people have not got freedom yet. It danger of war. There will be no is a Government by the Government question of Kashmir. So, I beg you officials. I wish that people have that my plan of Aryan may be adopted freedom. officially. Our Aryan is not also an isolated unit. Our Aryan will be only a district of the province of Asia of An Hon. Member: Freedom from world federated government. If such Government? an Aryan is created, it will be secure. There can be no security if countries Raja Mahendra Pratap: There should prepare for war here and there. be only one tax, and that tax should be on property, land, houses or fac Here I come to the most important tories. But there should not be tax point. Our people here and our peo On our 'walking, on our motoring or ple abroad, and humanity in general, on our daily life! have not understood how humanity has developed so far. There were Shri C. R. Pa&tabhl Raman (Kumba- small States. They were fighting and Konam): What about shares and fighting and bigger States came into securities? being. Then the bigger States were fighting and fighting and still bigger Raja Mahendra Pratap: Now a man States came into being. Now only thinks he can make a little money by two are left in the field—U.S.A and trading. But you tax it; you stop U.S.S.R.—and without knowing we him. I think this system should go. have become part of one. I would suggest that the object of industry should not be profit; we We might say that we are quite should produce for our own use. This neutral; we might say that our policy 4s a system which was introduced in is independent. But when we are a certain parts of the United States— part of the British Commonwealth, production for use. That is to say, we and when this Commonwealth is a build factories, not to sell the products part of the U.S.A. group, we «are not but to provide ourselves with those neutral. I think such a lie should be articles which we produce. stopped; facts must be faced. So the question is: what are you going to do Here I will also speak a bit about under the circumstances? Are we to Pakistan. I was recently there. We remain in this British Commonwealth make big budgets. What for? To and when war comes between U.SA. make our lives better. We build and U.S.S.R., we also become the houses, we make cities, we make roads victims of the war and aggression of and canals. But if unfortunately a U.S.S.R.? Are you satisfied with this war comes, and if Americans give situation? I am not. I consider it A-bomb or H-bomb to Pakistan, and very dangerous. What are we to do if they throw one bomb on Delhi, our then? I say—and I repeat it in this Delhi will be finished. Now we have House also—that we should boldly go to consider the situation. 1 say that with a new plan and programme, the there is a method by which there will programme of world federation. We be no Pakistan. And this fact I said should adopt world federation as our In Karachi and Lahore; their papers creed. reproduced my statement So, I say, there is a way of saying things. I Here I must say one thing,—people honestly believe that it is possible do not know this—that ideas capture that there will be no Pakistan, but our minds, and dictated by them we we shall have Aryan from Assam to continue to say things. I may also Iran and Himalaya to Ceylon. If we point out to you here, Sir, that these ' ' i t ifABCH 1858 General Di$ctmUm 5354 are all slogans. We say: we want to army is a great waste. Yes, under have a secular State or we want the present circumstances it is; I also socialistic pattern of society. Here I admit it. Because, it is only eating may say that I have some experience and enjoying life. When there is of Soviet Russia also. I saw that there peace, they do not find any other work also the talk and the slogans of the to do. Just as in schools, I suggest proletariat were a big humbug. The that there should be factories, gard fact was that certain intellectuals who ens, fields and dairy farms in every could give such slogans mounted up— cantonment. Let us have here the people were deceived—and they occu same kinds of factories, fields and pied the same seats which were occu dairy farms. Our soldiers will learn pied by the Czars. So, here also our the art of fighting, the soldier’s busi people must know this fact—that they ness, for three hours and for the rest have said al] these things, the social of the time they will work to produce istic pattern and secular State, only the daily necessities. In that case they to capture the minds of the masses. will not be a burden on us. 'As I Therefore, some people have risen said, wc must plan in such a way that high and seated themselves in the we can have even 10 million soldiers high chairs; this is a fact. This must all over the country in cantonments be understood. And I know that many from Kashmir to Cape Comorin, and honest Congressmen sitting on that they will be the greatest defence for side are really in heart with me. But the country. they do not dare to express this, because they think of party discipline. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. My friends, get out of this idea; come Member’s time is up. to me. Let us form a new cabinet. Raja Mahendra Pratap: Please excuse me. After four days of Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Mem penance, I got this opportunity. I also ber has many more things to tell. He dare to say to the Chair: “Please do invited the hon. Members of this House not promise. If you promise, fulfil it." to listen to him; but nobody turned up. I was the sole listener then. Workers should be declared half partners in all factories. If we could Baja Mahendra Pratap: I come to do that then there will be no more the very practical suggestions. Here strikes. We should take representa many people have said that there is tives of workers in the Board of unemployment. But what do you sug Directors and when the profit comes, gest? From where should Govern we divide with them. In that case ment give employment? They have there will be no strikes. only a certain budget; they cannot provide more. I tell you how we can remove this unemployment altogether, Now, I would just read the points how there will be no man left un and would not enlarge on them. The employed. I will tell you the plan. evil of selection in the services is I say that every school should have very great. For instance, there are factory, fields, gardens and dairy 200 persons to be taken and 18,000 farms. Our students should produce people apply. Now, is the Govern their daily necessities, and when they ment for 200 people or for 18,000 grow up they should be declared joint people? This has to be considered. proprietors ol the school property. These people will live as brothers and Then there is the evil of competi they will not fight. This is communism tion. This evil of competition should with morality and religion. be finished for all times. We need no competition. We should have this Now, I suggest the same plan for principle: All should work for all to the army. Many people say that the make all happy. No one is to be left General Budget-- 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion [Raja Mahendra Pratap] Shri Manabendra Shah (Tehri without work or without bread. How Garhwal) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, could we do that? Every village and before I begin, I would like to start town should be declared a joint with as to which is the economic family. Respect for elders, love for policy of the country? For that pur- children and strong and healthy work- pose, the best thing to do would be ing for the community. to quote the Prime Minister, who has given us as to what is the economic Then there is the evil of courts. policy of the country? I am quoting Some hon. Members has just now from the A.I.C.C. Economic Review , said-and h e has truly said-that the dated the 15th September, 1957, titled · courts must be finished immediately. India on the March. It reads as These courts are a nuisance for follows: society. "Hardly six months ago, the Shri Naushir Bharucha (East Kan- Prime ·Minister stated at the desh): What will happen to the law- A.I.C.C. Session in New Delhi yers? that socialism is thought to be apparently chopping off the heads Raja Mahendra Pratap: Lawyers of some tall persons and cutting will become leaders of the people. at the pockets. of some persons, who have money. That is a child- Then there is the evil of hospital. I ish way of thinking of socialism. always hear--everyday people come-- If money is required, why not put that even the compounder wants some higher taxes, get more money and bribe to give medicine. This is a solve the problem. With all res- very serious question. So, I also say pects, I must say, that is not clear that there should not be many hospi- thinking. But the main thing, we tals, but there should be moral insti- are concerned with, is not money tutions to stop people from doing underground, but the production things which create diseases. So, I of money-the production of goods say that we should make people which means money." moral. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. This is a very important point that Member's time is up. he says-that the main economic policy is the ·production of money and Raja Mahendra Pratap: There are the production of goods which means stiU two or three very important money. points. There are two factors that have to Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I would advise be looked into regarding this. One is the hon .. Member that he should attracting foreign capital here, not in reserve his remarks for some other the form of loans but in the form of opportunity. If the House will feel investments. The other is to create interested, perhaps hon. Members and have a class known as the would attend his lecture. But h e "propensity to save group''. These should conclude here. two factors, I believe, would be vital for revitalising the economic develop- Raja Mahendra Pratap: I would ment of the country. su y only one thing more. Now taking the foreign capital, We should establish this principle which is the first factor, I would not that any and every idea, which like to enlarge on this issue at this creates friction and struggle, should stage. All that I would like to point be suppressed and every idea, which out at present is that from my per- makes us friends and brings us to- sonal experience of some of the gether, sh ould be accepted. foreign industrialists it has come to . "' General Budget- 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion my knowledge that they find it very And the yield for the next financial difficult to really ascertain as to what year is not very rosy either. · The are the facilities available to them Prime Minister himself in his speech and what are the rules and r egula- admitted that the intensification and tions that they have to follow before development of small savings is now- they can invest money here. They adays the constant concern of the have to knock at various offices and Centre and the State Governments. they have to knock at various minis- He has, moreover, said in a similar tries and yet they do not find what debate in the Rajya Sabha that one is really available for them. And of the main factors which would solve they go back in disgust. I hope I am the problem of our paying the debts wrong and if I am wrong, I am sure, to the foreign countries in a couple of the Government would be able to years' time would be the solving of place on the Table of the House in the problem of agriculture. Thus, a three or four pages all the rules and situation has been created largely regulations that they have to follow, from our taxation policy, which is the facilities that they are provided designed to meet the objective of our with so that we may know that they economic policy as a whole which has are. I hope it would be a thing which eliminated the investing class, with- would carry some weight because no out succeeding in creating a new single ministry is responsible for any investing class in lieu. Therefore, it single industry and i feel that it will seems to me that attempts are being be difficult for the hon. Minister to made to bring to the surface the so- do it at all. The reason why I have called idle wealth rather than attempt- raised this issue on General Budget ing to create an atmosphere favourable is because if anybody is competent to for capital :formation and as . such do it, it would be the hon. Finance enhancing production which is the Minister. real wealth. Coming to the other factor, which is the propensity to save group, I Nobody would deny, and I would find that the present Budget proposals, be the last person to deny, that India which are merely the continuation should build herself into a Welfare and additions to the previous Budget, State, an ideal Welfare State. But I run counter to what the hon. Prime could hardly believe that the drying Minister has stated in the A.I.C.C. up of the individual wealth to invest Se5Sion. · Argument notwithstanding, as also to consume was the method of I may have been content if small achieving it. In this respect, I would savings; iricreai§e--..in·hational income as again like to '(tuote some relevant por- weli as ·capitiil .. formation had kept tions. In his article "Investm,ent, pace .with the aims of our ambition, Capital Formation and Full Empioy- i.e.,: in ~a- nutshell the targets laid dciwn ment" in the A.I.C.C. Economic in the Second Five-Year Plan. But Review dated 15th November 1957, that too has been a major disappoint- Shri Ashok Kumar Sen, Union Law m ent. Minister has said: Quoting from our ex-Finance Min- "The. present state of increasing ister in one of his artides entitled taxation has undoubtedly increas- . India's current economic situation in A.I.C.C. Economic Review of the 1st ed the incidence of tax burden in September, 1957, says: India; there is a fall in the. num- ber of assessees indicatin g that the "While net savings in 1955-56 law of diminishing returns has . were only Rs. 67 crores against an already started operating in the annual target of Rs. 100 crores, in field of taxation. Such trends in- 1956-57 the negative progress diCate that in India the sources of reached as low as Rs. 62 crores." personal income are drying up 5259 General Budget* 1? MAJICH 1998 General Discunion 5266 [Shri Manabendra Shah] and the policy of increased prog agriculture is the core of the Plan. ressive taxation has not been So, the Government should seriously yielding increased revenue." think of diverting their energies largely towards agriculture if the Plan To quote him still further, he says, is to be saved and balance of payment that, have to be put on a sound basis. “The two basic factors which As regards industries, I do not want sustain an expanding economy are to say much about it. I would only investment and consumption. A raise two issues: (1) if, there is an policy tending towards the drying overall general control of the State up of these sources would create which would permit the State to further stagnation in the economy remove any disquieteniqg features if and bring about more serious and when they arise in private indus situation.” tries and (2), when the priorities are fixed by the State, why are we afraid He further mentions, that that industries in the private sector are not faring well or are not doing “a high incidence of taxation properly for the betterment of the discourages foreign technical per country? With these only two ques sonnel to seek jobs in industries tions I will leave it at that. and the foreign capital is being scared away." My conclusion, therefore, is that our economic policy has largely To me, therefore, it appears that been influenced by ideological con we are going faster towards distribu siderations and political considera tion rather than production. But I do tions. We have certainly not been not know what are we to distribute pragmatic in our approach, although if production lags behind. The Finance we may say much about it Here I Minister in his above quoted article think a warning would also be indi in September, 1957 has said that in cated. Perhaps, we are by some 1956-57 the production increased only interested parties, being involved in by 4 per cent against the target of 5 a race of political and ideological per cent. The Ashok Mehta Food considerations only. This sort of race Grains Enquiry Committee expects our is continuing, then we are bound to targets in grains to be realised by fail in our economic policy. We about 70 per cent only, while if this should, therefore, as the Prime Minis trend of taxation continues, even the ter has categorically said—We want a industrial sector may not fulfil its pragmatic approach and we should target not allow ourselves to be involved in It is, therefore, time that we think any race of ideological or political seriously on our economic policies. considerations. After all ours is not a dogmatic approach, but a practical and flexible To summarise what I have said, I approach. There are spheres, in would like to put certain questions. my opinion, which are perhaps And this has become necessary, more important for the State because I find that when the panel of to look into than industry. I feel that 16 economists to the Planning Com despite industrialisation, for a long mission when they gave their report, time to come, agriculture will have to they mentioned that they did not have play a very important role in our enough time to examine all the mate economic development In fact, I rial placed at their disposal. There would say that though we as yet fore, their findings cannot really be really do not know what the core of giving us a true picture which would the Plan is, I feel that quite a bit enable us to accept them in toto. 5261 General Budget— 17 MARCH 1988 General Discussion 5262 Therefore, it is up to the Finance right type of men do not come Ministry to decide on the following forward to the Armed Forces, issues: conscription might have to be resorted to.” (1) Whether small savings, increase in national income and capital forma This is a very major policy speech tion will be helped. by a person holding a very respon sible post. Whether he did it on his (2) Whether a new class of inves own or not is a different matter. But tors will be created as the existing it at least conveys that the pay scales, sources are drying up with the exist etc. in the Defence Forces are not pro* ing economic policies. per. Therefore, my request is that this Pay Commission should also be Answer to these will decide whether given more power so that they can production of wealth will take place even investigate their cases also. or not. And that will be the indi cator as to whether the economic Shri Shree Narayan Das (Dar- policy is correct or not. This is what bhanga): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I want to submit in a general manner. the time of general discussion on the Now I would take up one specific Budget is the time of stock taking. point, namely, the pay of the* army The Finance Minister has given us personnel. The army personnel can be an idea of the economic position pre divided into two categories—civilians vailing in the country. I would like and regulars. The Pay Commission to look at it from another point of that has been formed has been formed view. only for the civilians in the civilian departments but not for the military While adopting the Constitution, we personnel. I feel that the price index provided for certain Directive prin is the same for all, whether they are ciples of State policy to be imple in the military or in the civil and the mented by the Central Government pay scales are more or less the same. as well as by the various State Gov Therefore, I cannot understand as to ernments. I think it would have why automatically the findings of the been better if, taking advantage of Pay Commission are not being enforc this opportunity, Government had ed for the civilians in the defence given us an idea of the extent to forces. As regards Regulars, I find which the Central Government as that though there was a Pay Com well as the State Governments had mission set up for the military per been able to implement the various sonnel some time back, about five Directive principles of State policy. years back. They revised the pay I would not go into details. First, scalcs to the disadvantage of the we have to provide gainful employ regular officers and men while the ment to all the persons who are civil side has been getting an increase capable of being employed, who are on and off in pay, allowance and all capable of doing work. I cannot say that. I understand that many of the that the unemployment position is officers had wanted to opt for N.E.F.A. deteriorating. The various economic on the civilian side, because they felt efforts, the various undertakings and that their conditions in the Army or the huge among of money that the Navy or Air Force to whichever arm Central Government as well as the they belonged to were not conducive various State Governments are spend to staying on in those forces. And ing lead to employment. In various moreover, whether it is a policy sectors, the position has eased. But, speech or not, I would like to quote Parliament is entitled to know, at the what General Thimmayya has said time of the Budget, the exact posi recently: tion relating to employment' In the “Most young men choose to go Budgets in other years, there was to the commercial firms and if some indication of this problem. But, General Budget- 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion [Shri Shree Narayan Das] in this Budget, this . subject has been is on the introduction of the econo- completely left out. I would like to mic re-classification of the Budget. see an indication of that given in It was introduced by fli.e Finance future years. Minister last year and it has been continued this year. In view of the Again, we have said that equal fact that the Government have under- opportunities should be given to ali taken the huge responsibility of eco- irrespective of any class. Situa•cd as nomic development, educational deve- our society is at present, we have lopment and Government will be been divided into so many clas not the Budget of a static country. What is the objective of the Gov- , This is not the Budget of a very ernment? The first objective; the developed country which has advanced aim with which the Government is economically, industrially, educa- formed is the security of the country. tionally. It is only ten years now We should defend ourselves; other- since we attained Independence. wise, all the beneficial measures, all Before that, we were ruled by a the development works will come to foreign Government. They had no nothing. Therefore, we cannot be idea of the condition of society. Now, complacent in this respect. the national Government has saddled itself with the responsibilities of a Although we believe and we say- welfare state, of having a socialist the Government also says and the pattern of society. At the same time, Congress Party also says-thaf we it is the duty of the national Govern- have been following the policy laid ment to see that the economic inequi- down by Mahatma Gandhi, I think ties, the social inequities and other that is not the correct attitude. What inequities in the different sectors are Gandhiji would have done no one removed. No doubt we should depend knows. What Gandhiji said previous- on taxation as much as possible, but ly we know, but in the present cir- these days, in our present complex cumstances in which we are placed society, when national and inter- and in view of the responsibility that national forces are operating, we can- (fas been put upon our shoulders, we not depend on only taxation measures. cannot follow the policy of one who The former Finance Minister, Shri is no more. No doubt, we can study C. D. Deshmukh pointed out that defi- it and we should try to follow it to cit financing was a medicine and it the extent that is possible, but, as is should be taken like a medicine. So clearly indicated by the policy of the far as we are able to see, the extent Government, we cannot disband our of this deficit financing has not yet armies. Therefore, when we cannot gone out of hand. It is necessary for disband our armies, we should equip this Government, or any other Gov- our armies against times of emer- ernment placed in this position, to gency. Even if there is no fear just take recourse to deficit financing, as now, the nation will have to provide otherwise development work will not for its defence. Therefore, to say proceed, and the objectives that we that we should decrease defence have placed before ourselves will not expenditure in the present context, I be fulfilled. think, is not a welcome comment. ,, 15 hrs. The Government has been pursuing a policy of non-aggression, has been · The second point that was objected pursuing a policy of non-alignment to by some hon. Members was the so that we may not be involved in policy followed by the Government war, but for self-defence it is neces- regarding loans and borrowings. In sary that we should set apart a cer- times of war, a nation . is forced to tain part of our funds. Therefore, to \ take to undesirable loans, but although suggest that we should decrease our we are not faced with war, we see defence expenditure is . not, I think, that we have not been able to cur- good advice. tail our defence expenditure to the · extent we wanted. Although there is Acharya Kripalani said that there no war, could war waves are spread- was no fear from anywhere, that ing. The policy of the Government although the U.S.A. had been helping of India is one of non-alignment, still the Pakistan Government, it would by the force of circumstances we have not encourage Pakistan to wage war to provide for the security of our against India. That is his impression, country. or it may be a fact, but the steps 5267 General Budget— 1? MARCH 1958 General Discussion 5268 [Shri Shree Narayan Dass] taken by the Pakistan Government not been able to do their duty in that certainly tell us that we should not respect to an appreciable extent. be complacent. We should provide our armies with the minimum equip As far as i am able to know for ment so that in times of danger we agricultural finance we require about may meet the situation. Therefore, Rs. 800 crores annually, but the rural I say that defence expenditure should credit survey report has stated that not be reduced. Government assistance is very little I was speaking about loans. At and ineffective—only half a per cent, present we are not going to war, or so. I would like to emphasise that therefore the question of unproduc in view of the importance of agricul ture which is realised by every one tive loans does not arise. The loans in the country,—both by the Govern that we are taking at present either ment and the people—every effort from other countries or internally are should be made to make agricultural meant only for productive purposes. The loans are for productive purpo finance not only cheap, but easy. At present some taecavi loans are dis ses, or purposes that will give us cer tributed by the various State Gov tain dividends at a later stage. ernments, but from the way in which they are distributed, the time that is However, we have no clear idea of taken in distributing that money and the extent of our loans, the methods the way in which it is spent, I think of payment and the policy that the it does not go to the agriculturist Government is following with regard fully. I would like to suggest that to the conversion of some of the loans. at least an enquiry should be made. Therefore, I would suggest that an Although co-opei’atives are there, expert enquiry should be made into most of them are inactive. I would our present loans position. I do not like to suggest that an enquiry should think there is anything wrong with be made now to find out to what the policy of the Government with extent it has been possible during the regard to taking loans and borrowing First and the Second Five Year Plans money from others, but the nation to entrust the task of giving agri should have a concrete idea as to the cultural finance to the co-operative present position with regard to our societies. loans, the extent to which the loans It will be better in my view to that are taken are spent on productive have an agricultural finance corpora purposes and the extent to which they tion. In fact, I once put forward a are spent on unproductive purposes. resolution on the subject There are 1 think Parliament should be given an so many corporations to look after idea of that. Wc should be given an the industrial development of the idea as to what extent it has been country, to advance loans etc., but for possible to get a dividend from them agriculture we have left it to the co within a certain period of time. operative societies. Most of them are not functioning properly. In view of Now, I would like to make certain the difficult position with regard to suggestions. As pointed out by so food that we are laced with, I sug many Members, the rural part of gest that the necessity of having an India is important. The heart of agricultural finance corporation should India lies in the villages, and the most be examined. Important part of our economy is agriculture. Although we pay lip In India we depend mainly on homage to agriculture, the Centre as agriculture, but the agriculturists are well as the various State Governments, a neglected class. 1 would suggest of their agricultural departments, have that Government should examine the 5269 GeneralSudfcU- 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion question of introducing crop insur of what is called progress and creative ance for them. In fact, it was exa revolution. This asks for certain mined once, some ten or fifteen years stabilising factors. That is, the ago. But nothing has been done so peasant would not be able to work on far. I know that it is a difficult task, the field, unless some extraneous and there is no doubt about it. In a forces around him help him in work, huge country like India, where the ing on the field. He is not a sito number of agriculturists is so large, agent; he is not a complete agent for it would not be possible to establish working out his destiny. He is con such corporations everywhere, but I nected with factors outside and fac would like to say that the question tors around him. So, he is not a free of having crop insurance or cattle in agent to carve out his destiny, how surance corporation should be investi ever strong he may be. gated, and some kind of pilot project should be started at least somewhere, In this connection, the Prime so that these people who spend every Minister was pleased wisely to say thing on their agriculture may be that this Budget is a minor event. insured against the loss that they No doubt, this Budget is important sustain on account of drought, floods for our country, but taking into ac or other various unforeseen circum count the adjustment of the forces stances. It is very neccssary that working around, it is a minor event. there should be such a corporation. So it is. There are now two mighty forccs arrayed against each other, With regard to small savings, I deciding to have one world or no would say that the question of having world at all, and its effect falling compulsory insurance for all earning upon our neighbour and threatening members of society should be examin our security and stability casts a ed. Every person who earns owes a shadow and detracts from our will to duty towards the nation. After act, from our resources to be helpful taking irto account the expenditure to the extent they can. Therefore, in that he has to meet in order to main all humility, I would urge that in tain himself and his family, an effort order to create favourable circum should be made to see that every stances, in order to have stabilising earning member of society is insured. factors around ourselves, it would be Thereby," there will be compulsory greatly helpful if we made up our saving, and that will be of benefit not differences with our neighbour only tj those who save but also to Pakistan. We belong to the same Government. race. Only yesterday we were the citizcns of one great country, and our Another point that I would suggest future lies in our co-operative effort, is---- in our friendship and in our under standing with each other. I have no Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Now the hon. doubt that the citizens of Pakistan are Member should resume his seat. as much desirous of peace and amity as we are. The differences may appear Pandit K. C. Sharma (Hapur): This to be very great, unbridgeable per Budget has been presented in conti haps, but I may quote here the inst nuation of the policy laid down by ance of U.S.A. and U.K. When U.S.A. the former Finance Minister, and the bccame independent, there were many objective is to keep going the Second occasions when it seemed almost in Five Year Plan. That is good, and evitable that the two countries, name we should try to implement the Plan. ly U.K. and U.S.A. would go to war. There is no way out of it. But many Yet, by and by, by negotiation and questions arise. by the force of circumstances, they settled their affairs. One important question is the ad justment of the forces working for or Similarly, we must also settle our against our progress. This is an era differences with Pakistan. We have 5271 General Budget— 17 MARCS 1088 Gcner&llMeeNtiioii 5$jrj [Pandit K. C. Sharma] today so many differences with people in the rural area are having Pakistan. And there is such a thing half-employment or no employment; as the theory of paekage deal; and that is, forty per cent, labour ia use there is such a thing as the doctrine less. And what is the working of lapses, and so many other things capacity of the Indian peasant er the of that nature. I suppose it is not Indian worker? Thirty-five Indian beyond the ingenuity of the present shippers are paid as much as fifteen leadership to settle those differences, foreign shippers, that is, European so that we may have cooperative shippers; that is, thirty-five Indians effort, and it would then become easy put in the work which fifteen Euro for us to make greater progress than peans put in. would otherwise be possible. Shri D. C. Sharma (Gurdaspur): Sir, I am very much moved by the things as they are moving. I do not Where has the hon. Member read that? hold the view and I do not accept it that things are running in such a way as would ensure easy peace in the Pandit K. C. Sharma: The working future. My reading of history is that capacity of the Indian is far below whenever there is bi-polarity and that of the average European worker. whenever a new instrument of war It is so on the field also. I belong to comes into the hands of the people, a village, and I know how the culti war has been the inevitable result in vators are working. We praise our the history of the world. The only people too much; it is good to praise way open to our ingenuity to prevent ourselves, but it is better to look into this is the creation of a balancing the faults. Take any cultivator who power. And that demands friendship is working on the field; he will work with Pakistan, China and certain there for two hours, and then comes other countries and with Western the hookah; then he goes for taking Europe and Commonwealth. Unless a water, doing this and that. The net balancing third power emerges, which result is that six to eight hours of would be powerful enough, there is work on the field would come to not no guarantee and there is no hope more than three or four hours’ work, that war can be avoided. and that too, a very lazy sort of work. Then, take the case of the cowherd- With these remarks, I come to this boy. He will beat the cattle on the Budget of ours. My view has always joint which no cowherdboy in any been that in the modern school of other part of the world will do. From budget financing, that is, what is call the cowherdboy up to the ploughman ed functional budgeting or functional and the other people, our people in financing, the question of debt, infla India are lazy. They have not learn tion etc. is not very important. If the modern method of working hard we are able to produce greater and working better. wealth, then debt or deficit financing cannot upset our economy. It is These are the difficulties. very old way of thinking that when Shri Tyagi: Lack of incentive. there is so much of debt on the nation and interest would have to be paid, and when there is deficit finan Pandit K. C. Sharma: Whatever cing the prices would go up and incentive there is comes with the everybody would suffer and so on. value of life. Having two pice in your pocket does not mean incentive. The simple problem here is that That is a wrong view of things. everybody must get employment.. If Make life worth living. Life be everybody gets employment, then comes worth living when you work there is no question of the prices hard, when you take pleasure*ln work. going up. Forty per cent, of our IIow does the painter live his lift? J273 General Budget— 17 MARCH 1968 General Ditcustitm 5274 What does the painter get? He finds would suggest even an examination enjoyment, joy and values in the of the question of salt tax The work he does. argument against the salt tax ww that everybody took salt—man, Shri Braj Raj Singh (Firoaabad): woman, child, old and yourg. They What about the agriculturist? did not create wealth. They did not produce. Because they do not pro Pandit K. C. Sharma: A good agri duce, they have no means to pay culturist is one who loves his bul even a little tax. But in the face of locks, cow and buffaloes as much as the question of full employment, that he loves his son. Here lies the value argument vanishes, and whan a new of his stock; here lies the value of life view of life is taken, it is not that you he is associated with. A man who should have achieved life, but you finds profit in everything is no man should have richer life. It means a at all; he has no values in life. In costlier life. You have to look at the world of values, his place is no the question from this viewpoint where. Even in the country of the Therefore, I would urge that the greatest wealth, U.S.A., the man who question of salt tax should be exa commands the highest respect is not mined. The old arguments, I beg to the man who possesses the greatest submit, do not hold good. number of dollars, certainly not at this time, but the man who can help to create wealth, the manager, entre Then even the policy of Prohibition preneur, the scientist—not the man should be re-examined, because in with the greatest share in a factory. the streets of Bombay I hear a line: From the people who work in the streets, the manager gets more fV*TT ^5TRT 3T*TT'C S , ®T 5 .1 * 3T [Pandit K. C. Sharma] the simple reason that those forces Other people have done the game. will take the better of the situation 1 refer to section 2 of the U.S. Agri and we shall have to compete against cultural Adjustment Act. There the forces that would be far ahead of us. policy is laid down that the agricul turist would get a price for his pro I take the view that a country with duce in proportion to the prices of a large area, large population, with certain other commodities requiring coal, iron and steel thorium is a the same sort of labour, the same sort country which, under the great of intelligence and resources. There leadership that we have got, is bound should be some plan; there should be to rise to a stature which would be some proportion; there should be among the highest. If we do not some scientific basis to give him his progress, it will be our failure, and it due for the work he does. Unless you will do us no credit. A country with take to some scientific scheme, scienti *uch large area and so many resour fic adjustment and pass laws and act ces is bound to progress. It is simply upon them, there is no future and this impossible for such a country to have ‘dominant part’ will hold no good. any other stature, a country so situated as we are. Therefore, I beg to submit that the resources at our Another thing.... disposal should be so marshalled and Mr. Depnty-Speaker: Now, no an should be so organised as to take other thing. The hon. Member has greater strides to progress than we already exceeded 15 minutes. are taking today. A word about agriculture, and I Shri Siddananjappa (Hassan): Mr. have done. The other day the Prime Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I thank you for Minister was pleased to state that in giving me this opportunity to parti the final analysis, the dominating cipate in this debate. feature in India who will decide the future of India was not you or me It is said that in the Second Five but the peasant of India. Year Plan, the main question is the Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Dominat question of finding resources equal to ing figure. the tasks envisaged in the Plan. When 1 think of the resources, I think Paiidit K. C. Sharma: Yes. If the of the duties cast upon the various peasant is to decide the future of States. We do not know what States India, then his voice must be strong have come forward to find the re enough to decide. But what is the sources which they are expected to strength of the peasant today? I under the Plan; and, if they have not would not draw a picture too gloomy done so, why they have not done so. and dark, but I submit that his age It is high time that the Centre took long subsistence occupation must up this question and found out, why at this stage, when half of the the States have not been able to raise 20th century is already past and eight the funds, whether they are not will years have passed by since then, ing or whether they are not able to pass into an industrial enterprise. raise the resources expected of them. There are certain implications of it. Nowadays, there is a tendency on the To say that the peasant will decide, part of the States to look to the all the while this occupation remain Centre for financial aid whenever ing a subsistence occupation, is to they find themselves in difficulties. I expect movement from a dead horse. think this question should be set at Where is the peasant who is going to rest once and for all and the Centre decide? This subsistence occupation should taka necessary measures in must pass into an industrial enter this regard. Being able to raise the prise resources if the States have not done £277 Gmeral Budget— 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion 5278 so, the Centre should take sterner as enthusiastically as they ought to measures to make the States become have been. The uncertainty which aware of the gravity of the situation this situation creates in the minds of and of their responsibilities in this those concerned with agriculture is behalf. one of the main reasons for lack of jmcrease in agricultural productiOfa. Next, I come to the question of the public sector versus the private sec Next, the Plans have not had any tor. We are coming to the end of appreciable effect on the economic the 7th year of our planned econo condition of the agriculturist, He mic development; and almost every has still to find the benefits *hich day, we'find, in one form or another, are promised to him. His position is the question of conflict between the far from being secure. To make his public sector and the private sector economic position severe, I submit, a raising its head. It is high time that kind of price stabilisation for the the private sector reconciled itself to produce he raises is necessary. Un the new set-up and tried to streng less that is forthcoming, there will then the hands of the public sector be no impetus for him to put in more in going forward with this planned work and produce more. A number economic development. It is also of financial facilities are made avail necessary that the Central Govern able to him. But, there is red-tape ment should make clear once and for and delay in making credit available all the limits within which the pri to him in proper time. Though he vate sector has to function and beyond receives the sums which are made which it cannot go. available to him, he is not able to It is said that the agricultural sec make use of them in time and pro tor is the most important sector and, duce the results expected of him. unless proper attention is paid to it, Therefore, it is necessary that the the Plan is bound to fail. Some hon. procedure i» simplified so as to make Members went to the length of say money available to him easily and In ing that because in the First Five proper time. Year Plan due attention was paid to Now, there is so much of talk the agricultural sector it was a success about co-operation in the agricultural —I think it is true—and in the Second sector and that being made an ins Five Year Plan we are facing these trument for bringing about the well difficulties because agriculture did being of the agriculturists. I find not receive, in the beginning at least, it has not made any impact on the that much of attention which was due agricultural sector. Great attention to it. has to be given to foster this co When you think of increasing agri operative movement among the agri cultural production, itfhe problems culturists and in the agricultural that arise are many. And, I would sector. like to refer to some of the import ant ones. To begin with, there is the Some hon. Members made a refer question of land reforms. As point ence to the lack of information re ed out by some of my hon. friends garding the impact which the enorm who spoke before, the question of ous public expenditure makes on the land reforms is not taken up with different sectors of society. That is the amount of enthusiasm and vigour very necessary in order to find out that ought to be given to it. The the exact effect of this public ex main lines along which land reform penditure on different categories of has to proceed are laid down in the people because that will also enable Second Five Year Plan as well as in us to find out to what extent and the First Five Year Plan. In spite what classes of people can bear the of that, in some of the States, these taxes which are imposed or which land reforms are not proceeded with will be imposed in future. Unless General Budget— 17 MARCH 1008 General Discussion 5289 [Shri Siddananjappa] this information is furnished and what resources are available in those statistics relating to this matter are areas which are backward and how mads available, it is not possible to these resources can be harnessed to flrd out as to what extent the taxes make them economically better. It proposed affect a particular class of is high time that such information is individuals. Therefore, I urge that collected to show what are the poten efforts should be made to furnish tialities in these backward areas and this information. to what extent they are backward. In order to remove this regional Some hon. Members made a refer disparity, it is necessary that the eco ence to the Plan and its soundness. I nomy should be decentralised. Un think it was Shri Mathur who said less there arc special reasons to that our Plan and programmes were locate a new industry in a particular intrinsically sound. I agree with place, it should be located in a him. The fact that so many friend backward area. There is scope for ly foreign countries fcave come for choice of the place. 1 submit that in ward with generous offers of aid is the matter of the location of new itself a testimony to the soundness of industries, the backward areas should our Plan. They have come forward be taken into consideration and as far to offer financial Assistance after as possible new industries should be scrutinising in detail the soundness of located in those areas so that they the Plan and > the programmes. If may also come forward and fall in any difficulty is felt in the way of line with the other developed areas. executing it, it is said that the diffi culty arises out of the inadequacy of In this connection, 1 would like to the machinery employed or proce mention a big tract of land in the dures followed. Western Ghats called Malnad—a very backward area lacking in Transport A number of hon. Members have and Communication facilities. It is referred to the necessity of gearing a hilly area and has a very heavy up the machinery. They have said rainfall. This area needs special that the machinery is outmoded and attention. It is said that this area unequal to the tasks that the present possesses immense mineral wealth dynamic society and the huge plan and forest wealth and I urge upon ned economic development effort the Government to see that this area need. In this connection, a reference is paid enough attention and all the was made to the decentralisation of wealth available there is harnessed so power. Concentration of power in that this area may be made better. the Centre necessarily brings with it Thank you. delays and expenditure and also in effectiveness and inefficiency. If jt Shri P. R. Patel (Mehsana): Mr. is decentralised at important points, Deputy-Speaker, I thank you for the it brings about greater speed, effi opportunity given to me to express ciency and effectiveness. This is an a few points relating to my consti important matter which deserves the tuency. If one looks at the Budget urgent attention of the Government. proposals, the first question that arises is: “Is it the Budget of a country I now come to the regional dis where the majority of the people are parities. We have as our goal the agriculturists, where more than eighty establishment of a socialist pattern of per cent, of the people earn a gross society and our objective is to abo- income less than Rs. 400 or Rs. 500 a Ush inequality and reducc disparity. year?” Our expense ratio every year Reduction of regional disparity is one is going high. Our administrative of its aspects. Information is lacking expenses are going high. At the same to show what parts of the country time, the poverty of the commoa are in what stage of development and people and the middle class and also ja fti General 17 MARCH 1908 General D itcvu io* 5182 the agriculturists is going up. No of my Baroda days. I have experi doubt we have to defend our country ence of this Administration. From and we must provide for that It has my experience I would say that cor been said that in this age of atomic ruption has increased ten times with energy, a large number of persons in our independence. If that be swaraj, the military will not be able to defend people have a right to grumble against the country. I understand that. But the Administration. we have to keep the army which will be useless in the atomic warfare. But Sir, some days back the hon. Prime in order that there may not be an Minister graced the farmers’ forum. attack at any time by armed forces It was a happy thing that he met the with ordinary weapons, we have to farmers. But, you are to meet the keep an army. However, we can true agriculturists of the country, the make economy therein too. true organisations of the agriculturists and not the Chinese dolls. This is an official creation. If this be called a In our country it was the profession farmers’ organisation, I think we are of the Kshatriyas to defend the going far away from democratic insti country. They had two functions: tutions. The Prime Minister said agriculture and fighting. When there there that our prosperity mostly was no fighting, they took up agricul depends 011 agriculturists, and if they ture. I think we can utilise our army do not increase food production our for agriculture and such other work. Second Five Year Plan will collapse They will be very useful to us in the and we cannot think of the Third days of peace and in the days of war Five Year Plan. He was right. But, they can defend the country. has he ever cared to look into the conditions in which the agriculturists My next point is about our home live? Has he over considered the front. I think on our home front we difficulties coming in the way of agri are facing difficulties. We know that culture? a great son of the country, Sheikh Abdullah, is going on the wrong side, I would give only two figures. In and the time is ripe when his activities 1948-49 the agricultural income was must be chocked. I do not understand Rs. 41'6 Abja. In 1955-56 it came why the Government tolerates him to down to Rs. 41 Abja, that means about this extent. There are certain acti 0*6 Abja less. Sir, it has been vities being done in Delhi. That too admitted, and the figures also speak require to be stopped. That should for themselves, that there has been be checked. We cannot allow persons, increase in agricultural production, however great they may be, however both cash crops and food crops. I dear they may be to us, however near will read a line from the statement they may be to us, to go on with anti of the Food Minister which he made national activities. The same thing on the floor of this House on 14th is going on in Madras side also. I May, 1957. He has said: think on our home front we are grow ing weak, I must say weaker. “If we compare the figure for the quinquennium ending 1951-52 and the quinquennium ending Even though we spend so much 1956-57, we find that production amount on our Administration, we has gone up by 25-9 per cent know that there is corruption, nepo when the yield per acre has gone tism and everything. The Adminis up by 11 per cent.” tration is there to serve the people. Everybody feels that nowadays It is admitted that production has corruption has increased. We talk of increased by more than 30 per cent progress on all sides. I must say that The result is that the agriculturists there is progress on the corruption in 1955-56 got Rs. 0*6 Abja less. If side also in the Administration. I know by producing more the farmers are 5283 General Budget— 17 MABCH 1988 General Discussion 5& 4 (Shri P. R. Patel] to get less, 1 ask why should they the agriculturists should not become produce more? Is there any factory politically conscious, and for that the or industry where more production systematic way of working is to see will give less money, less income? that the farmers do not organise. I This is the only industry, the agricul think, Sir, we are doing injustice to tural industry, in this country where ourselves in democracy if 80 per cent more production gives less. And, of the people are not politically con unless and until we are prepared to scious. Do we expect that our demo consider the net income of agricul cracy will survive? I think the coun turists, what the agriculturists should try will remain free but there will get, whatever speeches and sermons not be democracy. Therefore, I hum we give will not produce more. bly submit that the agricultural pro blem should be considered. If speeches and papers were to pro duce more, I hear so many speeches Our Prime Minister was pleased to on food and food production. The say: “Why should there be school fun of the whole thing is that the buildings in villages? The students Minister for Agriculture whenever he can sit under trees and study.” TOiat is on tour does not go to small is right. It is a good idea. I like it villages, does not meet the small Are there no trees in Delhi? Are there villagers, does not meet the agricul no trees in Bombay? There you want turists and agriculturists’ organisatons. buildings and in villages they should How can we create enthusiasm and not have any school buildings. What initiative among the agriculturists in a fine talk it isl We are talking of India? equalisation, equality and socialism. Is our socialism to enrich the cities We are talking of democracy. We and impoverish the village? Is our submit to strikes. When the Govern socialism to give every facility in ment servants give threats of strike cities and take away facilities from we bow down before them. When the villages? What is our socialism, I labour unions come with threats of would ask. I would put that question. strike we bow down. We bow down In cities we have our dispensaries. In to our Secretariat servants too because cities we have got nursing homes and they give threat of strike. They have so many other things. What is there got the weapon of strike. I think the in villages? The people living in Government will come round if the cities must be understanding that farmers also think of staging a strike. the ladies must not have deliveries in They can, when they produce things villages, because they have no dispen and would not bring them in the saries and they have got to go ten to market. They can go on strike, but twenty miles. There are these diffi I do not desire that to happen because culties. Now, what do we do? the country is mine and 80 per cent, of the people in this country are 16 hrs. agriculturists. They cannot think of Is this budget the budget of a coun going on a strike. But that does not try wherein more than five lakhs tnean that we, those in power, should villages exist? Sir, more than 80 per do injustice. It seems there is a con cent, of the population are agricul spiracy of persons in power. They turists and they live in these lakhs are mostly from non-agricultural of villages. If that is so, then, our communities. budget should be such that it repre An Hem. Member: Quite right. sents, reflects the economy of the country, that it reflects the will of the people of the country, the happi Shri P. R. Patel: They desire that ness of the people of the country. the agriculturists should not organise When India's teeming millions are in themselves. These people desire that the villages, our budget must be such General Budget-* 1? MARCH 1958 General Discussion 5286 cnai mv^t of the money is spent in May last year. So, I would say this villages. But it is not so. budget is an old dame in a fine, new saree. There are some fine, good They are talking of universities; they words here and there. Otherwise are talking of university grants. there is nothing. For the people, there What about the small, primary edu is no relief in this budget But Hie cation requirements in the villages? people are taxed this time by the States. This year has been a year for An Hon. Member: That is under the the States. Last year was a year for tree. the Central Government. Last year the Central Government taxed the Shri P. R. Patel: We talk of libra people to the tune of Rs. 100 crores ries. I received a booklet published and more. This time the States are by this Commission, and in that I saw out to tax the people perhaps to photos of libraries built here and more than Rs. 100 crores. So, the there in Delhi—some fine library, this people have to bear the brunt on two building and that building. Because sides. In cricket two batsmen are there are no trees, the buildings are there. The ball is fortunate, for there built. So far as the villages are is only one man batting at a time, but concerned, the people there must study here both the sides bat. Like a foot under the trees. Is it our policy? I ball, the people are taxed from one would put that question here. place to the other. So, my submission is that the peo The hon. Prime Minister, our ple are being taxed every year; they Panditji, fought for the freedom of have no relief. There is no relief the country under the leadership of given to the middle class people, the Gandhiji, and Gandhiji wanted free common people, the agriculturists. dom for the villages, wanted happiness for the villages and for the farmers. Mr. Depnty-Speaker: The hon. Where is that happiness? Where is Member's time is up. that happiness to the villagers now? We are thinking much of industries; Shri P. R. Patel: One minute. Yester we are thinking much of cities; we are day, I was coming from Agra. thinking much of the Government I saw a double road, a pucca servants and the labour, and forget the road. There is already one villages and the agriculturists. I think road—the Agra-Delhi Road—but that is not a good sign and some day they are now having a double, parallel that sign will bring difficulties in our road. We saw so many motor-cars country. plying here and there. Now, in my district there is a plan for roads. Five years have passed, and yet I do not see I would not say much for the agri more than 30 miles of pucca road culturists. But I would like to say having been laid. That is the pro one thing. Even the middle class gress, and that too, in a place where people hoped that some relief would there is the Pakistan front. If there come this year. They hoped that be an attack, God forbid, from that because last year they were taxed by side, we have to face the trouble. Yet the Central Government to the tune no road facilities have been given to of about Rs. 100 crores, this time some that part of the country. So, I request relief should be given, and undoubted that at least on the ground of the ly the middle class people deserve Pakistan border lying close by, road relief. They are passing critical days. facilities should be given there. They do not get any relief, absolutely. In the end, I would humbly submit No doubt there are no fresh taxes. It that the Government should look to is a good thing. Except the gift tax the villagers and the agriculturists. and some change in the wealth-tax, there is no more tax. But this is the Mr. Depnty-Speaker. The bon. budget that was presented perhaps in Deputy Minister. General Budget— 17 MABCH 1958 Gtnefdl DUcuuion H ie Deputy Minister of Finance about all the loans and their repay (Shri B. R. Bharat): Mr. Deputy- ment This question has come up Speaker, Sir, it is but natural that on several times in the House; and an important debate of this kind which although there is a provision in the takes place once in a year, not tally Constitution that Parliament, if it a large number of hon. Members desires, can formulate a law which speak but they cover a very wide can fix the ceilings for all the loans field and also touch upon points of raised by the Government, in the dynamic situation in which we are policies. D laced today, we cannot, with any amount of accuracy, anticipate the amount of loan that we can incur in Mr. Deputy-Speaker: More Mem a particular year. Therefore, if such bers are left behind. a ceiling is fixed too high, it will be skyhigh, because it will have no effect Shri B. R. Bhagat: I am very sorry, or there would be no control. If the and I regret that I stand in their way; ceiling is fixed too low, it might curb otherwise, a few more could be accom or remove the element of flexibility modated. But it is a duty which I in the Government’s borrowing pro have to perform. gramme. It is almost impossible for anyone Positively speaking, the House has to deal with all the points raised even ample power over the loan policy m if he speaks for two hours. it has power over the taxation-rais ing policy. So, I think that if the hon. Member, who is objective enough, Shri Feroze Gandhi (Rai Bareli): bears all these points in mind, he will The hon. Deputy Minister is the sole see that the power that the House has survivor of so many shipwrecks. at present is sufficient safeguard against any misuse of any loan pro- Shri B. R. Bhagat: The ship has gramme by the Government. been launched again. A number of hon. Members spoke Shri Braj Raj Singh: The wrecked about loose budgeting. This point has one? been repeatedly urged from year to year and it has been repeatedly Shri Tyagi: I wish it Godspeed. answered from this side. I would only like to reiterate that, although I see Shri B. R. Bhagat: 1 propose to the substance in the point that on the deal with some o f the specific points revenue and expenditure side, the which need clarification and amplifi estimates vary. Some of the varia cation, thus leaving the points of tions may be inescapable. For exam policy to the Prime Minister who ple, this year, some hon. Member would speak tomorrow. Let me begin quoted a short-fall in the revenue with some of the shorter points. I from customs. As the Hcuse is aware, would like to begin with the point in the mid-term we came with a made by Shri Tyagi who once pre number of import restrictions and sided over an important wing of this clamping down of our imports that Ministry when, I remember, I joined has resulted in this variation of reve the Ministry and had an apprentice nue. Similarly on the expenditure ship with him for some time. side, much of the variation is due to not getting adequate supplies of stores, Shri Feroze Gandhi: Another ship particularly those which are imported wreck. and much of that also is in the Defence. Such things cannot be Shri B. R. Bhagat: He said that forecast with any amount of accuracy, there should be Parliament’s approval but we agree to the substance of the £3% (hn*ralB *A 9*L-~ 1? MARCH 1998 General Discuwion 52ggy point that there is need for having parties interest-free or at conces a m are correct estimate and the entire sional rates of interest. The policy budgeting organisation should be regarding grant of loans was review streamlined, so that the variations In ed early last year and it was decided estimating should be minimised to the that as the sanction of loans at conces extent reasonably possible. sional rates of interest involved an element of subsidy, it was not proper Then, there was a point about the ly reflected in the accounts of the control over national undertakings. I borrowers and it was also not covered understand that the hon. Member who by the vote of Parliament; and so is responsible for so many ship-wrecks normal interest should be charged on has brought a resolution or perhaps he the loans in future. Only this nom - is thinking of raising a debate over ing, while I was answering a question the control of public undertakings. I about past loans given to the State will deal with this when the matter is Governments, the hon. Member asked raised in the House and thrash out a specific question, namely, has the the pros and cons of the problem. Government accepted the policy of no- profit-no-loss concept of interest on One or two points were made about loans? I was not in possession of the the Finance Commission. The hon. report. But I said: well, the termor Lady Member from Bengal spoke concept “No-profit-no-loss” does not rather in strong terms about the appear in the report of the Finance inadequacy of the recommendation of Commission. At least, my inerpre- the Finance Commission. So far as tation was so. But now I would read Bengal is concerned, we are aware of a line from that, which says. the problems of that State, particu larly accentuated by the heavy influx “In calculating such cost” (that of refugees. As the House is aware, is the cost of borrowing) “all tho Finance Commission’s recommen factors which help the cause of dations are in the nature of an award borrowing should be taken into and we have accepted the award. I consideration.” think a perusal of the Finance Com Obviously, when they make a state mission’s report suggests that it has ment of this kind, we have in prin gone into not only the needs of each ciple to accept it. individual State, but also their popu lation and their resources position. Npw I would refer to taxation. A The recommendations have been based large number of hon. Members have on a thorough examination of the spoken on this question. Generally, needs and resources of the States. the tax structure that we have for I would submit to the hon. Member mulated over a period of years, cul that although the Government has full minating in the gift tax that was •sympathy with the problem of States introduced this year, has given not like Bengal or U.P., and the people of only a broad base to the tax pyra the eastern districts, there are other mid, but it has given a certain depth remedies. also. So, in a developing economy, not only larger number of people The remedy is the Plan. This year who can afford to bear the burden all the States’ plans were thoroughly have been roped in, but also a lot scrutinised by the Planning Commis of streamlining has been done. sion. While framing this year’s plans, they have gone into the resources as What is the object of such a tax well as the needs of the States. Simi structure? Not that .the tax limit larly, a point was raised about loans. for income-tax or for capital or for The hon. Member who was also at one excise should be such that it should time associated with this Ministry in be a heavy burden on certain sec an important position, Mr. Guha, tions, leaving the other sections en raised the question of granting loans tirely free. The objective is, firstly, Id the State Governments or other there must be a sizeable collection 3291 General Budget— 17 MARCH 1958 GeneralDiscttnion [Shri B. R. Bhagat] of public revenue; secondly, the tax because firstly, of monetary strin system must provide incentives for gency and, secondly, of high prices larger earnings and more savings; that eroded the people's savings and thirdly, it must restrain the con helped the movement of funds into sumption in order to check domes time deposits. tic inflationary pressure and release resources for investment and, finally An hon. Member today said that the tax structure must be so modified there has been a phenomenal increase jo as to make tax yields progressive in time deposits. He used the argu ly more responsive to increased ment—obviously because it suits his income and more egalitarian in ideology—that because the time de effect. So, we have to judge the pre posits have gone up by 100 per cent sent tax structure from these points or more during the last few years, so of view. the banks should be nationalised. Well, that is a separate issue, which I Some hon. Members have already shall deal with later. But what I was stated that our tax structure has pointing out was that there is no resulted in diminishing returns, so intrinsic relationship between these far as revenue is concerned. They taxes and the resultant reduction in have suggested that, following Dr. savings and borrowings. They are Kaldor's report, we must reduce the guided by other conditions prevailing income-tax sufficiently. That is true. in the market. But the other conditions should also be fulfilled. Unless the new taxes, the I now come to the specific sugges wealth-tax or other taxes that have tions made about taxation. About "been levied, yield a high revenue or estate duty, it has been stated by the adequate revenue, there is no point hon. Member, Shri Pande, that the in reducing the income-tax. Both are reduction of the limit to Rs. 50,000 integrated. is a very hard burden. Another point has been raised on the other side. Shri Heda: What is the quantum They asked: why levy the tax, when ■of income-tax element from year to it will fetch only Rs. 50 lakhs? So, year? one view is that it will not fetch more than Rs. 50 lakhs and so why inflict Shri B. R. Bhagat: I am not in a this burden. The expectation of Rs. position to say that off hand. 50 lakhs really is for the period Octo ber 1958 to March 1959. Next year or thereafter it might bring Rs. 1 crore. Shri Tyagi: Is it required from But, that is not a burden which can assessee to assessee also? not be borne, especially when you compare it with other countries. Shri B. R. Bhagat: Then a point was made that because these taxes In the other House I gave the com were levied, so the returns from sav parable exemption limits in advanced ings and borrowings have been less. countries. In U.K. it is Rs. 40,000 and From a study of the current market here Rs. 50,000. Now I am going to conditions I do not see any relation give some figures about the Asian ship between the two. It is not correct countries, which are less developed to say that because more taxes have countries or are more or less in the been levied, particularly taxes on same situation as we are. For exam capital or dividends or other allied ple, take Ceylon or Japan. Japan, of things, the returns from savings and course, is a developed country. In borrowings would be less. In my opi Ceylon the tax limit is Rs. 20,000. If nion, in the year 1957 the savings and you compare It with the standard of borrowings were not very successful living, India’s per capita income It 5293 General Budget— 17 MARCH 1986 G eneral Discussion 5294. Es. 270—280. In Ceylon it is Rs. 560. This takes me to some aspects at The value of money is still less. So, the foreign exchange situation. The if you see the exemption limits in Prime Minister will deal with the other countries, whether developed foreign exchange vis-a-vis the Plan— or under-developed, I do not think the foreign exchange components of' this limit is an unreasonably high the Five Year Plan. I would like to- limit. deal with some of the specific points- that have been raised about this mat ter that need clarification. Some- Then the hon. Member Shri Asoka hon. Members raised the question, Mehta said: now we have the capital of repayment. We are fast deve tax or gift tax and the estate duty loping into what may be called, tax. So, why not have an integrated an “import-bound” economy, where- valuation machinery? The capital the import of capital is larger and may be movable or may be larger. shares or debentures. But the value of such property may change But that puts us in a responsibility from place to place. At present, we to pay them back at an opportune have a large number of valuers. They time and also to assess the burden, to* have generally function within their devise ways and means to devise so- State. He wants that there should be much export surplus with which they all-India jurisdiction. Of course, in can be paid back. The situation is, as U.K. there is the centralised valuation the hon. Prime Minister gave the schemc. But there the size of the figures in the other House, that in the- country is small. Further, there is ten years from 1959 to 1969—the- much more homogenity in the social payment begins for example in 1959- life of the people there. Here the 60, it is Rs. 35-34 crores; in 1960-61 conditions are different. Diversity is it is Rs. 92* 40 crores, both principal' the main feature of our social and and interest; in 1961-62 it goes up— economic life. So, it is better to have that is the highest peak that we reach a decentralised pattern of valuation. —to Rs. 123*96 crores; then it comes down to Rs. 107*23 crores in 1962-63,. Rs. 40 crore in 1966-67, Rs. 38 crores The hon. Pandit Thakur Das Bhar- in 1967-66, Rs. 34 crores in 1968-69’ gava raised & number of legal points and then it levels off at a particular about the Hindu joint families, how point. The main reason why we have in the new system of taxation or to pay such a big amount in these - valuation of tax we have taken one two years is, firstly, that we have to branch of the family, how it affects repurchase our currency from the- the Hindu joint family and so on. I Intarnational Monetary Fund. We would like to deal with all those purchased last year Rs. 95 crores of' points when the Finance Bill is taken our currency to meet the foreign ex up. But I would submit that in the change deficit. We have to pay it back present Estate Duty Act the Daya- in two years. All the deferred pay bagha family is much worse off than ment and other arrangements that we- the Mitakshwra family, and that is have incurred fall during these two- why the Select Committee chose to years. fix Rs. 50,000 as the limit for the Mitakshara family. Even then, as Shri Dasappa (Bangalore): What compared to the Dayabagha family, about commitments that we will have- the coparcenery in the Mitakshara to incur in between? family has much to lose. With this renovation, the burden of the co Shri B. R. Bharat: For future com parceners is very much less. We will mitments, we will bear this in minds. deal with the details of the legal as pects when the Finance Bill is dis Shri Tyagi: Do these figures for* cussed. repayment include repayment due to* 5295 General Budget— 17 MARCH 1958 General X>i*cu*«ion [Shri Tyagi] the deferred payment system of im the pace of the Plan in the first two port? years. The rise in the prices was part ly due to the Suez crisis. All the Shri B. R. Bhagat: It is true that it foreing prices went up. The prices of is our net liability. our foreign exchange component of steel and other heavy industries went Shri Tyagi: How much does the up. So, our calculations about the iiability become including payment foreign exchange need went up and -of deferred goods? to that extent we were caught nap ping. That is true. Shri B, R. Bhagat: That includes •everything, because the deferred pay It is also a fact that the imports on ment arrangements that we have in private account during the first two curred in the last year or even before years have been heavier. Some of the were all due in 1963-64, i.e., these private sector has been able to com -two years. plete their targets for the five years. But, as their plan is fixed and as now Shri Dasappa: But not commit the tempo of imports, particularly of ments to be entered hereafter. capital goods and machinery, is in creasing in the public sector, we will Mr. Deputy-Speaker: They will be be rather better placed because the included at this moment leeway that has to be covered on private account is less. Their total Shri B. R. Bhagat: A point was foreign exchange component is fixed made that we had such a huge ster —it is a fact that they have drawn ling balance at the beginning of the at a more rapid pace in the first two First Five-Year Plan and now we years—and so they will draw the have reduced it. A point was also made balance at a less rapid pace. So, to that we have wasted and squandered that extent when our tempo in the our external resources. That is not public sector is going up we will true. The House is aware—all the have a more comfortable position. information has been given—that they have gone to the developmental needs of the country and particularly Now, I come to the question of in the two years of the Second Five- recession. Much talk about recession Year Plan. All the draught on our has been raised by Shrimati Renu .sterling balances has been mostly Chakravartty. Only this morning we either on the capital goods or on the had an article by the famous eco import of steel which goes for the nomist, Mr. Harrow of England. He development of our industry or food has suggested that let the countries which has an important place in our of Europe think out the impact of economy and the imports at times are American recession on the open mar inescapable. ket and formulate certain policies so that they may insulate their econo A point was made by Shri Khadil- mies against the adverse effect of kar that the private sector has utilis the American recession. Although ed the five year target in two years this is a serious matter, which needs and that is why the foreign exchange consideration I do not subscribe to crisis has resulted. At the beginning the gloomy forecast of Mr. Harrow. of the Second Five-Year Plan our But the point made by Shrimati sterling balances stood at Rs. 746 Chakravartty is that because reces crores and the net utilisation of sion is developing, it will seriously foreing exchange resources over this affect our foreign exchange eamlngi. period. I.e., up to now, is Rs. 561 This is true. They may. So, she sug crores, because of the acceleration in gests that there should be a long-term ja tg n General Budget-* 17 MABCH life General Discuwfcm 529s commodity agreement and inter So, these are some of the practical regional trade pacts with Asian and difficulties which come in the way. African countries. The U.N. Report But so far as is possible for some shows, she says, that losses of these commodities such agreements are countries may be much more than operating at present, e.g., tea, rubber the aid received by them. The reel wheat and tin. It was siid that the answer to such a situation in an eco Afro-Asian countries should have nomy like ours is that there is built- some sort of an agreement. Most of in instability and particularly in the these countries are exporters of raw world economy picture such instabi materials and importers of manufac lity is there. It may not be possible tured goods. Only to have an Afro- for national economies or countries Asian Union will not solve the prob to completely get rid of such currents lem. Because, so far as import of of instability. But it is essential for capital goods is concerned, it is better each Government, particularly for to have some sort of an agreement the Governments in these countries— with the capital exporting countries. Asian countries—whose economy is The point is, our economy being com dependent upon one or two raw plementary, certainly, we should be materials, whose imports and trade watchful over the situation and do are not diversified, to keep a watch whatever is possible in co-operation on it and do whatever they can—each with other neighbouring countries or country in the region. When the world countries of the region. price of rice was falling, Burma faced a very difficult situation and they came to us for some help to meet Then, I come to the point about ; the temporary situation. Fortunately, banking, and the question of credit we are better placed. Not only our control. It was said by 'some hon. trade, but our economy is getting Members that because the banks ad more and more diversified and if we vanced money against foodgrains think out proper ways, we may be which resulted in purchasing and able to—if really recession develops hoarding, and created an inflationary and assumes a certain intensity— situation in the country and because think out some plan. So, to that ex the time deposits are going up, we tent I agree that this situation has to must nationalise the banks. I think be watched. these are arguments which do not justify such a drastic step. Firstly, only recently, the House has As for the specific suggestion of passed various control measures having commodity agreements, I am and empowered the Reserve Bank not able to appreciate the point to have effective control over the because, firstly, the commodity agree banks. Recently, the periodical ins ments may be between the importers pections of the Reserve Bank have and the exporters—there mn.v not be gone up very much high and the any agreement as regards the price Reserve Bank is in real possession of because if the prices are going down correct information about the work the importer may not accept a price ing of the various banks. Although lower than what is prevalent— it is hardly likely that any first class secondly because of quantitative con banks or scheduled banks will indulge trol, as to how much should be im in such speculative. activities and ported and what commodities should advance moneys to parties, it may be be imported. These are genuine diffi a fact that some of this money, par culties in arranging such things. Then ticularly the clean advance or some again the international commodity of the advances to the various indi agreement inevitably means some viduals, may be used for cornering of stopping of these goods in the various shares or speculation in the food countries and wherefrom would the grains market. But, so far, I under funds be available for such things. stand that the quantum of such 5499 ' OcMAvliBitd^c*^''' 17 MARCHttSS G«n*ralDi»eua9hn . EShri B. R. Bhagat] undAirable activities is not signifi very much. It may be in vary cant or is not so much as to call for remote cases, may be one or two such a drastic action as the nationali cases—I do not know. But, certainly sation of entire banking. Because, if a bank violates the Reserve Bank's in the economy pattern that we have directive, the Reserve Bank has ample set up, banks have a specific role to powers including cancellation of play. licence, appointing directors, refus ing to re-appoint managing directors. Shrimatl Rena Chakravartty (Basir- The Reserve Bank has ample powers hat): We should have strategic con which Parliament has given during trol. the course of a year or two. That is my point Shri B. R. Bhagat: I do not think the hon. Members believe in any Then, I come to an important point private sector. As long as there is made by a number of hon. Members the private sector, the banks have about measures for economy in some part to play. But, they should public expenditure. A number of be certainly within the national eco hon. Members said that civil expen nomic policy laid down in our diture is going up, and there is Second Five Year Plan. waste and extravagance. I would like to detail to the House a number I think the success of credit control of steps that the Government during or credit squeeze in the particular a year or two have taken. I do not period when the inflationary pressure say that they have borne fruit to the was very high on foodgrains is an maximum extent But, they are example that, although this mecha steps in the right direction and nism, this instrument of credit control constitute the right approach to this or Reserve Bank’s control over the problem. operation of the scheduled banks needs certain improvements, it is Shri Sonavane (Sholapur—Re- effective. Because, at a particular served-Sch. Castes): That would point of time when the pressure was take years. the highest, they were able to reduce advances. For example, even on 14th Shri B. R. Bhagat: Because the ex February, 1058, on paddy and rice penditure is not coming down, to the total advances are Rs. 10,80,00,000. conclude that there is extravagance What was the position on February and waste is an incorrect way of 8th, 1957? It was Rs. 21,41,00,000. dealing with this problem. They have succeeded. I think we should still perfect these measures so 16.41 hrs. that banking operations and banking policy subserve the interests of the [S h r i C. R. P attajbhai R a m a n in the Plan. Chair.] Shri Prabhat Kar (Hooghly): Is it In a developing economy, with Five not a fact that the Finance Minister Year Plans and expanding activi said that some punishment will have ties, our expenditure is bound to go to be inflicted if banks do not listen up. But having in view the correct to the Reserve Bank’s direction? It scope for economy, we have taken was a statement made by the Finance various steps. First, we have the Minister. Internal Economy Committee. It is the policy of the Government that it Shri B. R. Bhagat: Certainly . I is the responsibility of the adminis still accept that statement. As I trative Ministry to effect the maxi Aid, the measure of violation of such mum economy, to ensure efficient directives of the Reserve Bank is not working, to see that the work-load General Budget— 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion 5302 is distributed properly, that it is scheme, through a change in the economical, that it meets the needs structure or through evolving a of the situation and that it is not process in which steel can be saved extravagant. or the use of cement can be minimi sed, the technical personnel and the civil personnel have been able to Then, there is the Central Economy achieve real economy in these things. Board which generally supervises the That is the only way that we can functions of these Internal Economy tackle this problem. This does not, Committees. I think it was in the however, necessarily prove that last session that the Prime Minister because the net expenditure is not gave some details of the real economy coming down, there is no saving or achieved ■■ by these committees. economy. There may be saving, Various Ministries submitted state but because of the additional activi ments—I do not have those figures ties undertaken by the department or just now—and that figure was given by the Government, that saving is by the Prime Minister himself. The more than covered. So, if the ex Central Economy Board has taken special steps in certain lines in the penditure is rising, the real way of important spending Ministries where looking at it is to see whether there is adequate return or not for each work studies of thedifferent orga unit of expenditure. We are setting nisations are undertaken. There are these work studies because it is 'said up suitable institutions and training technical personnel who may go into that through the streamlining of the methods of work that we can have these workloads or methods of orga real economy. That is the work of nisation and improve the economic the special Reorganisation unit work functioning of the Ministries. I think ing in the Finance Ministry. It has the arrangements made for securing gone into the working of eleven or economy during last year aim at a ganisations and it has been able to machinery for continuous examination have a detailed analysis of the of Government activities with a methods of work, and organisation, view to better efficiency in relation and to evolve suitable standards for to the inevitably increasing expen measurement of work. It is doing diture out of resources. some basic work. If we have real technical personnel and a real analy This brings me to the last point, sis or study of the work-load or and that is the point of approach to measurement of the organisation, we the whole question. This is a point would be able to achieve real econo of policy, and the Prime Minister my. will deal adequately with this to morrow, but I think I would be We have, as the House is aware, a failing in my duty in winding up my Committee on Plan projects to see reply if I do not come to what I call how far the development 'schemes are the correct approach to the matter. working in the most economical manner and also see what economy Unfortunately, there has been an can be achieved. A number of element of defeatism introduced in teams, for example, the Irrigation the debate by some distinguished and Power team, for the evaluation hon. Members. Because the Plan of building projects, and such other has encountered rough weather, or teams have been set up with which because we have come round a some of the Members of Parliament corner, voices have been raised that are associated. The hon. Home Min we must go slow, but that is not the ister himself presides over the Com answer. mittee on Plan projects and they have been able to achieve real economy. The real answer was given by the For example, in the Cement godown hon. Member, Shri Asoka Mehta, and 5303 General Budget-^ 17 MARCH 1958 General DUcustion [Shri B. R. Bhagat] I am glad that he Is one of the few different attack on the problem. Here politicians in the country who can also, we could Testrict Investment. bring to bear on objective mind on In England, the bank rate was raised, the economic problems of the coun and investment was reduced, so that try. He distinguished what may be investments and savings might de&cribed as the law of economics match, and there might be some from the law of economic growth. stability in the situation. But here if we reduce investment and match it India has an economy which is with small savings what would be going through the process of economic the result? Some hon. Members growth, or through the birth pangs used astronomical or aeronautical ex of economic growth. In such a pressions, and if I might also use one situation in a developing economy, such, I would say that we would there is an inevitable, built-in infla then be faced with a ‘situation which tionary potential. Because we have might be described as a constellation embarked on a development plan, we . of stagnation, and there would be no should not be afraid of a little rise progress. If we reduced our invest in prices, or a little imbalance in the ment today we would have been economy. He has made this point. in a strangulated and stagnated economy. That is not the answer to Looking the world around, I can the problem. The answer is what say as he has said, that our economy the Prime Minister said, namely that is in much better control today. we have to break the barrier of What are the economic norms?— stagnation. The answer is what Shri prices or the value of money. Of all Ashoka Mehta Said, that we must countries—USA, UK, Germany, speed up in a take-off stage. If we except Switzerland—our money is slow down, we fall down and we are the most stable. Is it not a sign of ruined. What is required is to speed real health of our economy? So, I up, when we are crossing the hump. do not see there is any ground for Once we cross the hump, the economy any mis-giving. will go on an even keel. That is the lesson of the law of economics. That is the lesson which this coun It is a fact that in the last year try hafc to learn. the prices, particularly the food prices, had gone up. There also, our economy has a special feature which I am glad that but for a few I described as the economy of an Members who sounded a note of under-developed country which i'd pessimism, who sounded a note of de going through a process of growth, featism, the House in general has because it is not as if our inflation approved of the Plan, nas approved is like the inflation of Germany or of the investment, and has approved the inflation that faced England two of the efforts that Government are months back. It is due to the im making to bring about stability in balance of savings and investment. the economy with a rapid pace of Our difficulty is that in a particular development. I wanted to end on sector we are not able to develop as this note of optimism, and I think fast, or at the rapid rate at which the House should take it as the we want to develop. The price- proper approach to our problem. preSBure that was evident last year wad because we were not able to Mr. Chairman: There can now be increase our food production at a two short speeches, one by Shri Braj rapid rate, and that resulted in tne Raj Singh and the other by Shri V. price rise. So, it is a different pro P. Nayar. Their names are before cess, an entirely different process, and me here. I shall call Shri Braj Raj a different feature which requires a Singh. 5305 G eneral B udget— 17 MARCH 1958 General Discussion 5306 warn* faff : snrnfer ^ 5RTHT '5fTf?TT j f ¥ t f w f t ^ J T farrT ;jq * N t % iw !( ^ *Tf % ?ft*T ffpsr *Pt ^«n?TR T t 3TfI# % f ^ Vf# VT ftUT *RT t ft? 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St^fT «FT $I*T tfhc *f f*F 15 t o t ^ *fo: tit 3Rcrr 3 i^ft ^TT^RT faT ftp * 4K fpTT^ GENERAL BUDGET—GENERAL DIS CUSSION—contd. »t5«p ft The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Pl^m % ^>i4 <141 flwl ^ I ^ *ii»i*Ci*t Eleven of the Clock on Tuesday, w w tit w tpt % fk?$yr y^ror *r^t the 18tH March, 1958. 53*3 Daily Dmbst 5314 [ Monday, 17th March, 1958 ] Sub)tct C olu m n s Subject ORAL ANSWERS TO 510?—46 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS QUESTION S—cont.1. S.Q. No. U.S.Q. C o lu m n s Ato. 986 National Aeronautical Re 1328 Tata Iron and Steel Com search Laboratory 5109—it pany .... 5155-56 988 Tenancy Rules in Canton 1329 Indian Iron and Steel ments .... 5111—13 Works .... 5156-57 989 Central Zonal Council . 5x13—16 1330 Welfare Extension Pro 990 International Geophysical jects .... 5157-58 Year .... 'i i 6 1331 Income Tax and Excise 991 Price of Opium . 5116—18 Duties from Uttar Pra 992 Amalgamation of Small desh .... 5158-59 Collieries 5118—20 1332 Scholarships to other Back 993 New Hindi Grammar . 5120 — 22 ward Classes . 5159 994 Tobacco Crop in Orissa 5122-23 1333 National Archives of India 5159-60 996 Chamba-Banikhet Road 5123 1334 International Hostels 5160-61 997 Northern Zonal Council . 5124—27 1335 Andaman Islands 5x61 1336 Landless Scheduled Castes 998 Kerala Education Bill; . 5128—32 and Scheduled Tribes 5161-62 1001 Photographs for Voters 5132—34 1337 Allotment o f Iron Sheets to 1002 Consolidation of Loans to U.P...... 5162 States .... 5x34—38 1338 Housing Schemes for Sche 1003 Translation of Laws and duled Castes in U, P. 5162-63 Rules into Hindi . 5138—40 1339 Income-tax from Uttar 1004 Sales Tax on Food Grains. 5140-41 Pradesh . 5163 1005 Steel Allotment to Orissa . 5141—43 1340 Library Movement in Bom 1006 Sports Stadia . . . 5143—46 bay .... 5163 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO 1341 Requisitioned Lands in QUESTIONS . . 5146—89 New Alipore, Calcutta 5163-64 SjQ.No. 1342 Indian School of Mines and 987 National Discipline Scheme 5146 Applied Geology, Dhanbad 5164 995 U.S.S.R. Scholarships 5146-47 1343 Indian School of Mines and 999 History of India 5147 Applied Geology, Dhan bad .... 5164-65 1000 State Language of Tripura 5147-48 1344 Allowance for Purchase of 1007 Opium Laws (Amendment) Motor Cycles and Cars 5x65 Act, 1957 . . 5148 1345 Gingee Port in South Arcot 5165-66 1008 Brass Two Anna Coins 5148 1346 After-Care Homes in U. P. 5166 1009 Delhi Government Schools 5149 1348 Directors of the Life In 1010 Earth-moving operations at surance Corporation 5166—70 Neiveli 5149-50 1349 Paddy, Cocoanut and Coir 1011 Oil Prospecting in Eastern Industry in Laccadive, U.P...... 5150 Minicoy and Amindivi 10x2 Political Sufferers Commi Islands 5170-71 ttee, Delhi. . 5150-51 1350 Commonwealth Naval 1013 Central Mining Research Chief’s Conference 5172 Station, Dhanbad . 5151 1351 Educational Development X014 Rationing of Opium 5151-52 Programme in Punjab 5172 1O15 Purchase of Defence Stores 5152 1352 Corruption cases in Himachal iox6 Central Finger Print Pradesh . . . 5173 1353 Permits for plying Trucks U.S.Q.No.FrUre#U * ' ' 5152-53 in Himachal Pradesh 5*73 1325 Tata Iron and Steel Com 1354 Construction of Roads in pany .... 5x53 Himachal Pradesh . 5174 1326 Loan to Tata Iron and Steel 1355 Central Social Welfare Company . . 5153-54 Board .... 5*74-75 *3*7 Expansion’ of Tata Iron 1356 Administrative Staff College 517s and Steel Company 5154-55 1357 Confirmation of Assistants 5x75-76 /• S3I5 D ail y D iobst J3X6 Subject Subject WRITTEN ANSWERS TO C olum ns QUESTIONS—eontd. MESSAGES FROM RAJYA U.S. Q. C olu m n s SABHA 5190-91 No. 1358 Standard Hindi Manuals . 5176-11 Secretary reported the following messages from Rajya Sabha:— 1359 Requirement of iron rods 5177-78 *360 Grants for Forest Co-opera (*) That at its sitting held on tive Societies for Scheduled the 13th March, 1958, Tribes .... 5178 Rajya Sabha had agreed without any amendment 1361 Deputation of Tripura Em to the Control of Shipping ployees . 5178-79 (Continuance) Bill, passed 1362 Muslims from Pakistan 5179 by Lok Sabha on the 10th 1363 Teachers’ Seminars . 5179 March, 1958. 1364 Military Engineering Ser (it) That Rajya Sabha had vice .... 5179-80 no recommendations to 1365 Political Sufferers 3180 make to Lok Sabha in re gard to the Appropriation 1366 Vigyan Mandirs . 5181 (Vote on Account) Bill, 1367 Central Government Em 1958, passed by Lok Sabha ployees 5181 on the nth March, 1958. 1368 Mamibazar Boarding House 5182 (lit) That Rajya Sabha had 1369 Monuments in Tripura 5182 no recommendations to 1370 Assistant Commissioners make to Lok Sabha in re for Scheduled Castes and gard to the Appropriation Scheduled Tribes . 5183 (Railways) No. 2 Bill, 1958, 1371 Invalidation of Central passed by Lok Sabha on Laws .... 5183 the 12th March, 1958. 1372 Cyclists in Delhi 5184 PRESIDENT’S ASSENT TO 1373 I.A.S. Officers . 5184-85 BILLS 5191 1374 Tiiak Nagar Government Secretary laid on the Table School, New Delhi. 5185 the following Bills passed by the 1375 Stenographers 5185-86 Houses of Parliament during the 1376 Republic and Independence current session and assen day Celebrations . 5186-87 ted to by the President since the last report made to the 1377 Opium Smuggling . 5187-88 House on the 10th February, 1378 Post-Matric Scholarships . 5188 1958:— # 2379 Bally Seaplane Base . 5189 PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 5189-90 (1) The Appropriation Bill 1958. The following papers were laid on the Table: (2) The Central Sales Tax (1) A copy of each of the two (Amendment) Bill, 1958. Notifications, under sub section (2) of Section 3 of the All India Services Act, CALLING ATTENTION TO 1951 making certain amend MATTER OF URGENT PUB ments to the Secretary of LIC IMPORTANCE 5191-92 State’s Services (General Provident Fund) Rules, Shri Hem Barua called the attention of the Prime Minister to I943- the reported statement of the (2) A copy of the Report of the Prime Minister of Ceylon about Committee for the Preven stateless persons of Indian origin tion of Cruelty to Ani in Ceylon. mals. (3) A copy of the two Notifica The Prime Minister and Minis tions, wider Section 38 ter of External Affairs and Finance o f the Central Excises and (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru) made a Salt Act, 1944, making statement in regard thereto. certain further amendments to the Central Excise Rules GENERAL BUDGET—GE 1944. NERAL DISCUSSION . 5193—5312 39*7 Daiour D iastx J»< Subject Columns Subject Columns Further General Discussion oo AGENDA FOR TUESDAY, timed. The'dScun^on wss not X8TH MARCH, 1958 Genenl discussion on the Gen REPORT OF BUSINESS AD eral Budget 1958-59 and Motion VISORY COMMITTEE Car Concurrence in the recom PRESENTED 5322 mendation of Rajya Sabha for reference of the Public Premises Twenty-first Report was (Eviction of Unauthorised Occu presented. pants) Bill to a Joint Committee.3RT a F T t ^ ^ R T *p*f %■ ^»r tp rf 3r*ft?r *?*ft ?Pfi*r T ff ft Wfrft I sr^nr«T ^cfr *ft^r *n m 1 m?r % w T T t f i^ T f snft^ ^ t qreft ^ f f t ^ ^cfT % ^TT^F ^ T ^ F c ft t I 5 * zrtsHT t t m rj * T f f f a f'ET