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SeeMd ScriM, Vol. XXVH—No. 13 Ta«d«T, Match ic, iff) Phnlgiina 1% lW t (Sakat LOK SABHA DEBATES (Seventh Session) (Vol. X X V II contains Nos. 21— 30) LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI 83 nP- (WtA Vt>) THREE SHILLINGS (FOIWSW) Co n t e n t s Co lu m n ! Oral Answers to Questions— ♦Starred Questions Nos. 1047 to 1056, 1075 and 1057 to xo6o 5227—66 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1061 to 1074 and 1077 to 1096 . 5266-89 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1639 to 1706 • 5389— 5326 Statement correcting reply to U.S.Q. No. 1x9 dated 19-11-58 5326 Re. Motion for Adjournm ent ................................................. 5327 Papers laid on the Table ................................................. 5328 Messages from Rajya S a b h a ................................................. 5328-29 Question of P r iv ile g e .......................................................... • 5329—44 Leakage o f Manipur Budget Estimates .... 53*9—37 Alleged breach of Privilege re: General Budget . 5338—44 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Fire in Giridih C o llie r y ................................................. 5345— 47 Appropriation (Railways) No. 2 Bill—Passed 5347-48 General Budget—General Discussion .... • 5348— 5468 Shri D. C. S h a r m a ................................................. • 5348— 53 Acharya K rip a la n i................................................. • 5353—68 Shri D a s a p p a ........................................................... 5368—71 Shri P u n n oose........................................................... * 5371—80 Shri K h i m j i ........................................................... 5 3 8 0 -8 6 Shri P. R. P atel........................................................... 5386—92 Shri P. N. S i n g h ................................................. • 5392—99 Shrimati Manjula Devi................................................. • 5399—5404 Shri Shree Narayan D a s ....................................... 5404— 12 Shri P. K. D e o ........................................................... 5412— 18 Shri H ynniewta........................................................... • 5419—25 Shri Rup Narain ...... • 5425—36 Pandit Brij Narayan “ Brijesh” .... 5 4 3 6 -4 8 Shri Harish Chandra Mathur .... 5448—58 Shri Ajit Singh S a r h a d i....................................... 5 4 5 8 -6 5 Shri Rameshwar T a n t i a ....................................... 5 4 6 5 -6 8 Daily D ig e s t .............................................................................. 5 4 6 9 -7 4 •The sign + marked above a name indicates that the question was actually •died on the floor of the House by that Member. LOK SABHA DEBATES J227 5228 L O K SABH A position to formulate their view* w Tuetday, March 10. 1959|Phal0una 19, the various issues connected with this 1880 (Saka) matter. Shri Vidya Charan ShakU; Soma time back the reply was given by the Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Government that it was necessary to Clock. examine this matter more than once, and now again we are told that a [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] special committee has been appointed GRAL ANSWEBS TO QUESTIONS to go into the case of this ammunition purchase May we have an idea why Parduui of Ammontttoa so many enquiries are being necessi tated to arrive at the correct conclu + sion by Government? f Shri Vldya Charan Shnkla: I Shri Rajendra Singh: 8ardar Majithia: The main reason J Shri Kfatalya: has been that there was a difference ^ Shri Kodlyan: of opinion between the first report and f Shri Parnlekar: the second report. So, the matter was [ Sirdar Iqbal Singh: discussed in the Ministry, as 8 result of which it was found necessary to go Will the Minuter of Defen e# be further into this matter and go into pleased to refer to the reply given to more details So, we have appointed Starred Question No. 84 on the 19th another committee and asked them to November, 1958 and state: submit their report by the end of (a) whether the relevant reports of April, 1959 I should also like to men the enquiries instituted into the pur tion that this committee is going to be chase of ammunition from a European headed by the Deputy Law Minister. Firm in 1952 have been examined; Shri Vidya Charan Shnkla: May I know the amount of money involved (b) if so, the finding thereof; in this ammunition purchase and whe tc) the quantity of ammunition that ther that ammunition has ever been was found unserviceable; and used either for practice or tor any other purpose? What is the actual (d> the total cost thereof? defect m the ammunition that ham been purchased7 The Deputy Minister of Defence (Sardar Majithia): (a) to (d). The re Sardar Majithia: Roughly it is about levant reports have been examined by 1 lakh rounds, costing round about the Government; but, as certain addi Rs 19 lakhs. tional enquiries have been found Mr. Speaker: Has it been used? necessary, a Committee has been appointed to go further into this Sardar Majithia: It has not been matter. The Committee has been aak- used so far because of certain differ «d to submit its report by the end of ence of opinion hetweep the two com April, 1959 and on receipt of this re mittees. Unless we are absolutely sure port, Government will be in a better and satisfied in our mind that they are SM(Ai) LSD—1. 5229 Oral A n tw ert MARCH 10, 1999 Oral A runeert absolutely all right to be uied, we will Detective Instttotes not use it. + Shrf S. M. Banerjee: May 1 know r Shri S C. Samanta: whether this ammunition was pur ‘ i Shri Subodh Hansda: chased from a Swiss firm and whether Will the Minister of Home the Swiss experts of the same firm are be pleased to state: working at the ordnance factory at Ambemath and if so, whether their (a) the places where the following services are going to be terminated? Institutions are located: Sardar Majithia: This purchase was <i) Central Detective Training from Oerlikons, which is a Swiss firm. School, But so far as this enquiry and the (u) Central Finger Print Bureau, defects are concerned, they are abso and lutely not connected with this As I said, this matter was gone into by our (in) Central Forensic Scienoe Ministry and now it is going to be Laboratory, gone into further by this new com (b) the cost involved for setting mittee headed by the Deputy Law them up; Minister. (c) whether any regional centres of Shri S. M Banerjee: I wanted to these Institutions are proposed to be know whether the experts belonging set up, and to the same firm are still working in the ordnance factory at Ambemath (d) whether all the necessary equip, and whether their contracts are likely ments for these Institutions have been to be terminated? procured by now? The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri Sardar Majtthia: Those experts and G. B. Pant): (a) Calcutta the people working in this factory are entirely different. (b) A statement giving the required information is placed on the Ifeble. Shri Jaipal Singh: May I know why [See Appendix III, annexure No. 72]. this further probe into this question has not been committed to the same (c) There is no such proposal at committee and why there had to be a present change in the personnel of the com mittee? (d) Except for certain instruments required for the Central Forensic Mr. Speaker: if it had been entrust Science Laboratory, which have to be ed to the same committee, hon Mem imported from abroad, almost all the bers will say it is useless to refer it present requirements of equipment to the same committee have been met. Shri JaipaJ Singh: I want to know Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know why it was not referred to the same whether in the Central Police Training committee, when the terms of refer College at Mount Abu this training is ence are the same given and if so, whether there is suffi cient equipment there? Mr. Speaker: Much can be said on Shri G. B. Pant: No; such specialis both sides These are matters of ad ed training is not imparted there. ministrative detail If it is referred to the same committee, they will say it is Shri S. M. Banerjee: From the state useless and there will be trouble; if ment it is found that the total amount it is referred to another committee, is Rs. 2,08,484 for 1958-57, Rs. 4,63,44* that is also questioned. Next question for 1957*58 and the revised estimate* Oral Answer* FHALOUNA IB, 1880 ( SAKA) Oral Answer* 5232 for 1958-59 are Rs. 7,49,000. May I Shri Snbodh Hansda: From the state know the reasons for this increase, ment, in item ( 1), I find that the losses -whether crimes have increased or whe are increasing from year to year May ther it is due to expansion? I know how long the losses will be allowed to continue? Shri G. B. Pant: These institutions have been started only recently So, Shrimati Alva: Item (1) deals with expenditure has to be incurred in afloat establishment A new ferry ser equipping them and also m making vice has been started for inter-island arrangements for training of growing trade as well as passenger service numbers The profit or loss has to continue, we are trying our best to cut down our Shri Snbodh Manila: Is it not a losses When the volume of traffic fact that the necessary equipment ex comes to full capacity, the losses would cept a few have been procured from come down foreign countries’ May I know their total value’ Shri Snbodh Hansda: May I know Yrhether it is a fact that the balances Shri O. B Pant: The provision for of the marine stores department art this purpose comes to a few lakhs, a increasing from year to year and whe release of Rs 32,100 in foreign ex th er it is a fact that the deteriora change was sanctioned for the equip tion of stores is one of the mam rea ment which had to be purchased from sons for this loss’ abroad dunng 1958-59 Shrimati Alva: I could not follow th* question Shri S.