SeeMd ScriM, Vol. XXVH—No. 13 Ta«d«T, Match ic, iff) Phnlgiina 1% lW t (Sakat
LOK SABHA DEBATES
(Seventh Session)
(Vol. X X V II contains Nos. 21— 30)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI
83 nP- (WtA Vt>) THREE SHILLINGS (FOIWSW) Co n t e n t s
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Oral Answers to Questions— ♦Starred Questions Nos. 1047 to 1056, 1075 and 1057 to xo6o 5227—66 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1061 to 1074 and 1077 to 1096 . 5266-89 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1639 to 1706 • 5389— 5326 Statement correcting reply to U.S.Q. No. 1x9 dated 19-11-58 5326 Re. Motion for Adjournm ent ...... 5327 Papers laid on the Table ...... 5328 Messages from Rajya S a b h a ...... 5328-29 Question of P r iv ile g e ...... • 5329—44 Leakage o f Manipur Budget Estimates .... 53*9—37 Alleged breach of Privilege re: General Budget . 5338—44 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Fire in Giridih C o llie r y ...... 5345— 47 Appropriation (Railways) No. 2 Bill—Passed 5347-48 General Budget—General Discussion .... • 5348— 5468 Shri D. C. S h a r m a ...... • 5348— 53 Acharya K rip a la n i...... • 5353—68 Shri D a s a p p a ...... 5368—71 Shri P u n n oose...... * 5371—80 Shri K h i m j i ...... 5 3 8 0 -8 6 Shri P. R. P atel...... 5386—92 Shri P. N. S i n g h ...... • 5392—99 Shrimati Manjula Devi...... • 5399—5404 Shri Shree Narayan D a s ...... 5404— 12 Shri P. K. D e o ...... 5412— 18 Shri H ynniewta...... • 5419—25 Shri Rup Narain ...... • 5425—36 Pandit Brij Narayan “ Brijesh” .... . 5 4 3 6 -4 8 Shri Harish Chandra Mathur .... 5448—58 Shri Ajit Singh S a r h a d i...... 5 4 5 8 -6 5 Shri Rameshwar T a n t i a ...... 5 4 6 5 -6 8 Daily D ig e s t ...... 5 4 6 9 -7 4
•The sign + marked above a name indicates that the question was actually •died on the floor of the House by that Member. LOK SABHA DEBATES
J227 5228 L O K SABH A position to formulate their view* w Tuetday, March 10. 1959|Phal0una 19, the various issues connected with this 1880 (Saka) matter. Shri Vidya Charan ShakU; Soma time back the reply was given by the Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Government that it was necessary to Clock. examine this matter more than once, and now again we are told that a [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] special committee has been appointed GRAL ANSWEBS TO QUESTIONS to go into the case of this ammunition purchase May we have an idea why Parduui of Ammontttoa so many enquiries are being necessi tated to arrive at the correct conclu + sion by Government? f Shri Vldya Charan Shnkla: I Shri Rajendra Singh: 8ardar Majithia: The main reason J Shri Kfatalya: has been that there was a difference ^ Shri Kodlyan: of opinion between the first report and f Shri Parnlekar: the second report. So, the matter was [ Sirdar Iqbal Singh: discussed in the Ministry, as 8 result of which it was found necessary to go Will the Minuter of Defen e# be further into this matter and go into pleased to refer to the reply given to more details So, we have appointed Starred Question No. 84 on the 19th another committee and asked them to November, 1958 and state: submit their report by the end of (a) whether the relevant reports of April, 1959 I should also like to men the enquiries instituted into the pur tion that this committee is going to be chase of ammunition from a European headed by the Deputy Law Minister. Firm in 1952 have been examined; Shri Vidya Charan Shnkla: May I know the amount of money involved (b) if so, the finding thereof; in this ammunition purchase and whe tc) the quantity of ammunition that ther that ammunition has ever been was found unserviceable; and used either for practice or tor any other purpose? What is the actual (d> the total cost thereof? defect m the ammunition that ham been purchased7 The Deputy Minister of Defence (Sardar Majithia): (a) to (d). The re Sardar Majithia: Roughly it is about levant reports have been examined by 1 lakh rounds, costing round about the Government; but, as certain addi Rs 19 lakhs. tional enquiries have been found Mr. Speaker: Has it been used? necessary, a Committee has been appointed to go further into this Sardar Majithia: It has not been matter. The Committee has been aak- used so far because of certain differ «d to submit its report by the end of ence of opinion hetweep the two com April, 1959 and on receipt of this re mittees. Unless we are absolutely sure port, Government will be in a better and satisfied in our mind that they are SM(Ai) LSD—1. 5229 Oral A n tw ert MARCH 10, 1999 Oral A runeert
absolutely all right to be uied, we will Detective Instttotes not use it. + Shrf S. M. Banerjee: May 1 know r Shri S C. Samanta: whether this ammunition was pur ‘ i Shri Subodh Hansda: chased from a Swiss firm and whether Will the Minister of Home the Swiss experts of the same firm are be pleased to state: working at the ordnance factory at Ambemath and if so, whether their (a) the places where the following services are going to be terminated? Institutions are located:
Sardar Majithia: This purchase was Shri JaipaJ Singh: I want to know Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know why it was not referred to the same whether in the Central Police Training committee, when the terms of refer College at Mount Abu this training is ence are the same given and if so, whether there is suffi cient equipment there? Mr. Speaker: Much can be said on Shri G. B. Pant: No; such specialis both sides These are matters of ad ed training is not imparted there. ministrative detail If it is referred to the same committee, they will say it is Shri S. M. Banerjee: From the state useless and there will be trouble; if ment it is found that the total amount it is referred to another committee, is Rs. 2,08,484 for 1958-57, Rs. 4,63,44* that is also questioned. Next question for 1957*58 and the revised estimate* Oral Answer* FHALOUNA IB, 1880 ( SAKA) Oral Answer* 5232 for 1958-59 are Rs. 7,49,000. May I Shri Snbodh Hansda: From the state know the reasons for this increase, ment, in item ( 1), I find that the losses -whether crimes have increased or whe are increasing from year to year May ther it is due to expansion? I know how long the losses will be allowed to continue? Shri G. B. Pant: These institutions have been started only recently So, Shrimati Alva: Item (1) deals with expenditure has to be incurred in afloat establishment A new ferry ser equipping them and also m making vice has been started for inter-island arrangements for training of growing trade as well as passenger service numbers The profit or loss has to continue, we are trying our best to cut down our Shri Snbodh Manila: Is it not a losses When the volume of traffic fact that the necessary equipment ex comes to full capacity, the losses would cept a few have been procured from come down foreign countries’ May I know their total value’ Shri Snbodh Hansda: May I know Yrhether it is a fact that the balances Shri O. B Pant: The provision for of the marine stores department art this purpose comes to a few lakhs, a increasing from year to year and whe release of Rs 32,100 in foreign ex th er it is a fact that the deteriora change was sanctioned for the equip tion of stores is one of the mam rea ment which had to be purchased from sons for this loss’ abroad dunng 1958-59 Shrimati Alva: I could not follow th* question Shri S. C Samanta: As regards the Central Forensic Science Laboratory, Mr. Speaker: He wants to know do the people working there require Whether the volume of stores is legal knowledge9 uicreasing from year to year Shri G B. Pant: Not necessarily Shrimati Alva: No, that is not cor rect We are keeping a stnct watch on Marine Department, Andaman and that Nlcobar Islands Shri S C. Samanta. As regards the + afloat establishment, I appreciate that fShri S C Samanta. there is some loss on inter-island com *1M9 ^ Shri Snbodh Hansda: munication May I know what was I^Shri R. C Majhl the income that accrued’ Will the Minister of Home Affairs Shrimati Alva* I have not got the l»e pleased to state. figure of income But the inter-island communication service was losing all (a) whether it is a fact that there the time, because there was no other is continued loss in the working of the means of communication various sections of the Marine Depart Shri R C. Majhl: May I know whe ment of Andaman and Nicobar Islands, ther there is any proposal to fix a (b) if so, what is it due to, and limit on the stores’ Shrimati Alva. I am not aware of (c) the steps proposed to be taken that •r already taken to avoid such losses’ Shri Tangamanl: How many buses The Deputy Minister of Home a Ire run by the State Bus Service Affairs (Shrimati Alva): (a) Yes, Sir there’ What is the loss per bus be cause of the increase in petrol price’ (b) and (c) A Statement is laid on Shrimati Alva: There’ are five buses the Table of the House [See Appen I have not got the break-down figures dix III, annexure No 73 ] for each bus 5233 Oral Answers MARCH 10, 1989 Oral A n iu m t 5234 Rest B o o t at BotuM* cost, because of the superior sanitary «nd electric fittings the cost went tip? + jf so, I want to know the precise zee* f Shri Osman All Khan: affl why it was necessary to have these 1 Shri Ban Krishan Gupta: superior sanitary and electric fittings *1M» J Shri Anrofebdo Ghosal: and not the ordinary ones which we { Shri Vldya Charan Shokla: generally have in the other rest ^Shri J. B. S Blat: bouses Will the Minister of Steel, Mines and The Minister of Steel, Mine* and Fotl be pleased to state* ftael (Sardar Swaran Singh): It is true (a) whether it is a fact that a that the estimate was revised. But luxury rest house at a heavy cost has some of those items were later on cut been built at Rourkela for the use of clown and that is how a saving was the Directors of the Hindustan Steel riiade of about Rs 13 lakhs roughly (Private) Ltd, during their periodical jiecause, it was considered that we meetings at the plant site, should not install any costly fittings there (jh\ it so., the reasons (or the same., and Shri Jaipal Singh: Is the hon Minis ter m a position to inform this House (c) the total amount spent on it7 vvhether in contradistinction to rest pouses, say, m China or Russia in the The Parliamentary Secretary to the steel plant areas, this rest house is Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel gustere or extravagant7 (Shri Gajendra Prasad Sinha): (a) to (c) A Bungalow at a cost of about Shri Gajendra Prasad Sinha. As far Rs 715 lacs has been constructed at #s our knowledge goes, practically Rourkela It is intended to be used jnost of the big industrial centres have by visitors, guests and the Directors ^ot better arrangements than what we of the Hindustan Steel Private Limited pave here when they visit Rourkela In the absence of any suitable guest house, Mr Speaker Hon Members who the construction of the building was pave gone there would certainly be necessary impressed by the beautiful buildings they have there Shri Osman AH Khan. May I know whether the Government has taken Pig Iron any measures to prevent such lavish *1051 Shri Osman All Khan: Will expenditure m future and, if so, what the Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel are the measures7 pe pleased to state the likely produc Mr. Speaker They do not agree with tion of pig iron m the country dunng that view Hon Members are making j 959-60 and the internal demand for suggestions or observations that it is the same period7 lavish expenditure The Parliamentary Secretary te the Minister of Steel, Mines and Feel Shri Vidya Charan Shnkla* May I (Shri Gajendra Prasad Sinha): The know whether it is a fact that this production of pig iron during 1959*6t building was originally sanctioned to jS estimated to be about 970,000 tons be constructed at a cost of Rs 6 42 *nd the internal demand for the same lakhs but the estimate was later on period about 700,000 tons raised by about Rs 2 lakhs to provide for more superior sanitary and electric Shri Osman All Khan: May I know fittings and, later on, it was completed whether the Government propose te at a cost at *Rs 715 lakhs7 May I export the surplus and, if so, what know whether it is a fact that though arrangements are being made in that savings were made in the construction direction7 ° r®1 A«w«r« PHALGUNA 19, 1^0 (SAKA) Oral Answers 5236 Shri G a jM fa Fnwit Naha: Efforts Sardar Swann Singh: Obviously, are being made to see that the sur We will have to search for markets plus may be exported For that we 4f there is surplus But I do not are trying to contact the foreign Accept the suggestion that there is countries likely to be a surplus in an unplanned Shri Damanl: May I know by what manner During the present year percentage the consumption in the there is larger surplus because the country and exports have increased open cast furnaces, steel melting shops in the last two years9 and the rolling mills are not there to convert it into steel Thereafter the The Minister of Steel, Mines and production has been planned in such a Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): It is manntr that it will meet our entire estimated that during the current year requirements There may be a little the consumption will be of the order surplus also of 7 lakhs The hon. Member can Shri C R. Pattabhi Raman- is it work out the percentage There is an not a fact that in the Middle East Shri Ramanathan Chettiar: In view of the likely increase of production •faRl TOT. fft *WT ^ 01 pig iron, especially in our steel a w rs w wsft S foSTT f t t plants m the public sector, what steps are the Government taking to find new markets where our pig iron could f t $ 7t be exported? 5237 Oral Answer* MARCH 10, 1MB Oral A n n rg rt 523V Sardar Swann Singh: We have imported LocamottvM for Steel Plante already sold about 20,000 tons of pig + iron Enquiries have been received f Shri Nag! Beddy: with regard to another 60,000 tons or •lMtt. 1 Pandit D. N. Ttwary: so We are in constant touch with the ^Shri Vundtvu Nair: possible purchasers I would like to make it clear that we need not show Will the Minister of Steel, Mines unnecessary anxiety about this thing and Fuel be pleased to refer to the because that itself will not be m our reply given to Starred Question No 471 interests If we say that there is so on the 2nd December, 1958 and state: much of surplus the prices may sag (a) whether Government has received the report of the Committee Shri C. D Pande: Because we have appointed to examine the cause of supplied pig iron to possible cus missing and damaged parts of the tomers at a cheaper rate than pig iron imported locomotives; would cost them we have ourselves (b) whether the report has been marred our case What is the remedy considered, and for this9 (c) if so, the nature of the decision Sardar Swaran Singh. So far as the taken’ expert of iron ore is concerned, it is The Parliamentary Secretary to the true that we have entered into certain Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel (Shri long term arrangements for the export Gajendra Prasad Sinha): (a) to (c) of iron ore But, it will be wrong to The Committee appointed by the say that we hold the monopoly so far Hindustan Steel (Private) Limited has as iron ore is concerned Iron ore Is submitted its report available from other countries also Therefore, if we do not sell iron ore The findings of the Committee are.— to those countries, there are other countries which would sell iron ore to (a) certain parts of the locomo those countries This formula that tives were either lost or any country that is using iron ore will damaged during the course necessarily switch over to pig iron is of unloading at the docks or not universally correct Just as we during transit from Calcutta desire that iron ore may be converted to Rourkela, v into pig iron when it is exported, rb) a few parts were received m other countries can also desire that they would import iron ore and they a defective condition, and would like to convert the iron ore into (c) certain parts were not ship pig iron in their own countries There ped at all fore, we have to strike a balance bet ween our supply position and also the requirements of other countries Action has been taken on the follow ing lines— Shri D a fiu l: The hon Minister said just now that the cost of pro (a) Claim has been preferred on duction from Bhilai, Rourkela and the Indian Insurance Com Durgapur will be more than the Tatas panies Association Pool for and Indian Iron the loss or damage during unloading and transit The cost of replacements will be s^A r Swaraa Singh' I have not made good by the Insurance said so Association Pool Mr. Speaker: Not in this question (b) The contractors have been Next question asked to replace defective 5 3 >y Oral Annom PHALGUNA 1#, l*80 (SAKA) Oral Anw«ri f)240 parts and they are doing this (c) whether the present staff under free of cost the Survey of India is inadequate to cope with the work, and (e) The contractors were asked to supply the parts that were (d) if so, the number of men likely not shipped and this is also to be employed for the completion? being done The Deputy Minister of Scientific Shri Nagi Reddy: May I know what Research and Cultural Affairs (Dr. is the estimate at the total loss of the M. M. Das): (a) Modem topographi parts that have not been shipped, or cal maps on various scales exist for parts that have been shipped, but have 84 per cent of the tota area of the been in a damaged condition, or those country The remaining 16 per cent that have got damaged m the course is covered by uncontoured maps based o f transit7 on pre-1905 Surveys Sardar Swaran Singh: No estimate (b) Does not anse is available, nor is it necessary to (c) No, Sir make an estimate because these spare Darts and odd thing? are not easily (d). Does not anse marketable and the prices are not quoted In this case, no loss is being Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know incurred because whatever the imme whether there is any programme of diate loss it is being made good by expansion of the Directorate of Map the insurance companies or the sup Publications and if so, to what extent? pliers Dr. M M. Das: There is the normal Shri Nagi Reddy: What is the esti programme for expansion under the mated loss to the company due to the Five Year Plan immediate failure to use these loco motives for the past so many months7 Shri Hem Baraa: What steps have the Government taken so far as the Sardar Swaran Singh* No, Sir No undefined area in the India-Burma and loss has been incurred India-China border is concerned, let Shri Morarka: May I know if anv alone the Indo-Pak border7 enquiry has been made with the sup Dr. M. M. Das: I shall be glad to pliers for shipping defective parts and answer provided I get notice of it for not shipping parts at all7 8ardar Swaran Singh: Enquiry has been made With regard to the parts -whivi fa aWfrnftra that were not shipped, they have undertaken to make good the short fa n s v srffrcrar * t *rr»r *nfr coming It appears that it was not ft | sppit ** deliberate They have agreed really ^ I A ^TfcTT f fa VPlft to supply the parts that could not be shipped in the earlier consignment vw mrrfT aimT 7 Printing of Maps •IMS. Shri S. M Baaerjee: Will the Dr M M. Das. Probably the hon Minuter of Scientific Research and Member has missed the reply “The Cultural Affairs be pleased to state* remaining 16 per cent is covered by uncontoured maps based on pre-1905 (a) the total up-to-date map cover surveys” The whole country is age of the country, covered (b) in case this is not complete, what period o t time is likely to be Shriaatt Ila Palchoodhuri: May I taken to complete the same; know what is being done about S H t Oral Answers MARCH 10, 1980 Oral Aim im iv 534k correcting some of the maps that are ^ JWFT*Mt <#t 3*rf%*r iTfhpr # tn r ft published by other countries showing some of the territories as belonging UlfHWI % *TPT ^TTOT tVRTVT to them9 How do we counter that % * fa*nr I, *ftr trft m* arm from our side? JRW VTTff WVfTX. % m qpfar «FTf Dr. M. M. Das: That is a bigger *r^ft «ft 5 *n ^ v f t r s t t t f^reft n*ft $ question I am not m a position to reply to that question just now aft f t ifHrwi trrarrc % 5rnr If srvrfsRT j f 1 v i ift 5 « r r t * far#rr^r ftuw r* wr ffinrw «FT f*NT fire *Rt ^ »Ttn t » ^ j t w it w w *t *f 3n*rTT ^TT^rTT g fa >WT *T? *F*HT * r r wirrfro nr^visrT atefrfiw m i f t «W S4TT ^ p p t 3 w i t *cTR *ft f 'n «F^r f t ^nsrc ifhrowft srftiw vt f t r ^ ^rT v r f^nr aprnn armT ( * ) v n w t f t *nwTT ?it ^tpot w w f t %tix % v t f *rnsr % f a r m v t fa^fr sm fiR T ?rr%JT (c) Government do not consider (a) the places where collection o f that it is necessary or opportune to information and research is being do so now i made m medicinal plants, "ft aw * wtr wwft ar$r ?n? (b) whether there is any co-ordina tion of this research, and imw fruwr VT WrJT aft *rf|W | wrtf jsj snrrfwRT (c) what machinery exists to tak» advantage of the information a» % ffTTT ftftRT inffW t, collected and research made? fa« «rc? ft yr«r=p$ % ipg# Ik e Deputy Minister of DuliiiitlBs w*pot «ft irresfcr % to wNt ^ Reeearch and Cultural Affair* (Dr. jw * £mfr |, ftft *vrc * M. M Das): (a) A statement is plaoad Oral A n tto e n PHALGUNA W, 1880 (SAXA) Oral Answer* 5244 on & e Table of the House [See Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: May Appendix HI, annexure No. 74 ] I know, it, before the establishment of this organisation, any effort had (b) and (e). The Central Indian been made at co-ordination, and what Medicinal Plants Organisation, which agency was there which has now been 51 ks been established recently, provides replaced by this organisation7 Ae central agency for co-ordmation ! f t research m this field This Orgam- Dr. M. M. Das: So far as my know , vation will also advise on the ways ledge goes, there was no co-ordinating and means of utilisation of the results central agency before the setting up of research and information collected of the CIMPO—the Central Indian Medicinal Plants Organisation Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: May Shri Trldib Kumar Chandhnrl: May I know what is the composition of this 1 know if the opinion of the Ministry newly established Central organisation of Health, and particularly that section and the manner in which it proposes of the Ministry of Health which deals to conduct itself7 with similar subjects, was obtained Dr. M. M. Das: Only last October, before setting up this organisation7 the governing body and the Board of Dr. M M. Das: Yes, Sir the Council of Scientific and Indus* trial Research have approved the set Shri Kodiyan: From the statement ting up of this organisation An we find that collection of information Executive Committee has been formed and research in medicinal plants is consisting of 11 Members If you per being earned out by various universi mit me, I can read out the names ties and various departments of the State Governments also May I know Mr. Speaker: Not necessary whether the Central Government is giving any financial assistance to these Dr, M M. Das: So far as the detailed universities and State Governments plan of this organisation is concerned, which carry out this research, and if 1 have got the details covering about so, what is the extent of the assist 5 or 6 cyclostyled pages If the hon ance given7 Member wants, I can send him a copy Dr. M. M. Das: Assistance is given Mr. Speaker: It may be placed in for carrying out particular schemes the Library of research to those institutions when they take up such schemes Now the Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: Don’t central organisation has come into you think that such information being, and they will consider this should have been made available question in greater detail. before as is done in other matters, so that we can ask certain questions7 Shri Hem Barns: May I know He says “This information is available whether Mr Kingdon Ward who is and we will place it on the Table of a noted botanist and who has collec the House if you desire” Otherwise, ted a good number of herbs and we cannot frame any questions, we plants in the Sub-Himalayan ranges cannot ask any questions is being contacted for tikis purpose, and if so, with what result? Mr. Speaker: Wherever hon Minis ters feel that a long statement is Dr. M. M. Das: We have got no necessary to elucidate the points raised information at present in a question, they will, of their own accord, place a copy in the Notice Shri Hariah Chandra Mathnr: May Office, and will issue notice that those I know what budget provision exists statements are available in the Office, for this specific purppse, and how >0 that hon Members may pursue the much has been spent during the Second matter by supplementary questions Plan on this specific purpose, parti- O ral A n tteerw MARCH f°* 18M O ral Answers J « | 6 The Deputy MhWiir of Detawe space is lying idle and machinery (8ardar Majtthla): (a) The value of ajso is lying idle7 May I know the production of electronic equipment reason for thuP I would like to know during the last three years U as why there was such a huge invest follows.— ment on such a small factory. 1958-56 Nil Mr. Speaker: Does it anse out of 1956-57 Rs 6 lakhs Ufis7 Hon Member wants to know why a large percentage of the machi 1957-58 Rs 28 lakhs nery and building space is lying idle (b) Yes Amongst others an agree l^iat is the question ment has been entered into for the Sardar Majithia: That also can be manufacture of portable trans-receiver ptit down to the same thmg that as aet Negotiations for the manufacture s^on as we receive orders, it w o f it Why is not a similar thing being done in this case? ton » M flnwHwm Sardar Majithla: This will be + brought to the notice of the Com- f : merce and Industry Ministry, and I hope they will take action. [ W W fW«Wf fa ? : Shri Frabhat K ir: May 1 know whether it is a fact that for the manu w t srfircw jf’ft ^ v ? est- facture of valves a building was erected for Rs 20 lakhs and up till now the manufacture of valves has % hwto ^ ^ y rr ^ fo not been undertaken, and for the last two years in spite of the delay no ( * ) ittt «r*rai5T % steps have been taken by the Defence Prarrar m«nft % vra * v r Ministry, and if not, why? firar »rcrr v f l n $ the civilian workers will also be given an opportunity to build housea w r Wr & ’ by thramdan and if so whether any scheme is being chalked out7 HRm «v^Npot : r a ft *rc* Ir •rflr Sardar Majithia: la the hon. Mem w ?r ^ i «mr wfcafi: * ? 1 ber talking of the civilians in the Defence Services? «ft WW . *frn*T * 3TH5TT Shri 8. M. Banerjee: Yes, about ^mptr 5 fa tffwt % irm fr *nrcH civilians in the Defence Services vr vrf vmn n*rr, vwft vj€t % There is shortage of housing for them also So, I want to know whe % v m vntrr *ror M ther they will also be given an op » g t VT *T*PT *T, *T? VTWT portunity to construct houses by •wrr ’ thramdan Sardar Majithia: So far as the Sardar Majtthla: It was done dur civilians m the Defence Services are ing the working hours concerned, it is not one of the condi- frons laid down that we provide thtm T fft % *r€t * *ptptt with quarters But m certain cases w r 1 we have done that, wherever we pos sibly could, and they would come in Shri D. C. Bhanna: May I know only after the accommodation tor the whether any assistance was taken regular personnel is completed for the building of these houses by «ft wo *0 mfw : thramdan from non-Army authori w i w-ran ties, and if so, the nature of such *nrnr*r tit fr r fa assistance7 w m r * anrr Shri Datar: The present system Is request them to do >0 after having perfectly effective, because, in all heard from the vigilance depart eases where it is found necessary, an ment? Inquiry is made, and then suitable action is taken under the Govern Shri Datar: Instructions have been ment Servants* Conduct Rules. issued that on a particular date all these returns have to be filed by the Shri Bhree Narayan Das: May I officers concerned. Then they are know whether any particular officer looked into, as to whether the infor is entrusted with the task of scruti mation is full or whether prima facie nising these returns, or there is a it indicates need for some further ac committee or board to examine the tion. Then it is taken up. returns? Shri Datar: Whenever all these Shri Tridlb Komar Chandhurl: The returns are received, they are scruti previous answer of the hon. Minis nised, and then if it is found that ter indicated that the agency for in any action is necessary, there is al quiry is not uniform. May I know ways a preliminary measure, and whether in this connection Govern then actually the proceedings are ment have laid down any definite- started. procedure and rules and criteria for Shri Shree Narayan Dae: May I examination of these cases? know whether these returns are examined by any particular officer Shri Datar: Rules have been laid: er they are examined by a board? down and instructions issued in this respect. 8hrl Datar: It is examined by an officer on behalf of either the Minis Shri Banga: But no action! try or the director or the head of the administration concerned. •ft s o •• f*rr nrrfar aft Vo 3 0 Hlffa : 3 TFMT 3ft f*TT fa farR f fa * far* * arre % f t qref e «r trm t frrls vaft TT OTPT frr^T sro sn* Rif : faR * ** w ** : ^ 4^ iLbL* sS fgratfiJ *FT (wr) *fir |f, nt w t fa*rft Tiftr freeships and half-freeships la *1} recognised primary, basic and ™« Br, K. L* nmiwH' Wc haw writ fa w 3% sw TrRff v t ten to all the State Government* and ilia Delhi Administration. I shall be v n fr i w^rpfsn vfcry glad to place the whole scheme *npn g fa 3*r *ppft «rr vr fafRT on the Table of the House for the *T*W ST *137 iffr m r v; information of hon. Members. sppit fcr*T7 ?fr t fa f ^ f r Mr, Speaker: May 1 make a sug gestion to the Ministries? During V- xDt rpift * TTJqr the previous regime, they were ,frrw i fRcvrr circulating copies of gazettes also to various Members. A few years ago w ’ ■T^r >r*vr>) frm Members were asked in writing if vf t f 5 they wanted copies of particular gazettes, in which case they would wio m o m o efhmft fr. be supplied to them. So far as these '■tit spv# % fatr fsw *rar notifications regarding scholarships or particular committees or other <* I t t v f w things in which people are interested tot *tt i are concerned, except those notifica tions relating to appointments or Blast furnaces at Rourkela transfers, they may, as far as pos f* sible, be circulated to all hon Mem bers, so that whatever information ..g c g /S h r l Morarka: '\Shri Ram Krlshan Gupta: is available by way of such notifica w l tions js accessible to hon Members Will the Mini&ter of Steel, Mines In that case, I won’t allow supple and Fuel be pleased to state: m entary on them here. This is taking away a lot of our time. Ques (a) whethir it is a fact that the tions are asked as to who are the foreign contractor for the Blast Fur members, what are the terms of naces at Rourkela had fallen very reference, what are the conditions much behind the schedule in start for scholarship and so on. The hon ing his portion of the work; and Minister will kindly place one or two copies in the Library and I will have (b) if so. the action taken in the matter’ the attention of hon Members drawn to it by a notice in the Notice Board, The Minister of Steel, Mines and if he is not prepared to circulate Foe! (Sardar Swaran Singh): (a) No, copies of the notifications to all Sir Members tb) Does not arise erm r Hjrra w r * Shri Morarka: May I know whe sfH *r Sardar Swaraa Singh: Theie has Shri Rang*: It is true that the Audit been a delay of about three or four para need not necessarily be accepted months which is not unusual when by the Ministry concerned. But, is it works of this magnitude are involved not the established convention that an Audit para appears in the manner in Shri Morarka: May I know whether which it does only after it is accepted there was any penalty clause in the bv the Ministry concerned9 agreement with this foreign supplier to deal with delay in supply9 Sardar Swaraa Siagh: I do not think there is any question of any difference Aeharya Kripalani: Penalty for of opinion on that What I said was tboae who, supply in time! that the Audit paras in draft are sent to the various Ministries. Then they Sardar Swaraa Singh: That does make theii own comments; and, ulti not,,arise out of this question There mately, it is the Auditor-General who were a large number of factors as a gives the final Report Accepting the cumulative result of which this delay draft docs not mean that the contents bps taken place. of the draft are accepted. MW* Morarka: My question is whe ther there is any provision in the Shri Raaga: It has to be accepted, agreement. otherw.se, it does not appear (Inter- r«p txons.\ • 5363 - Oral Annetrt MARCH 10,' 1®M Oral A n tw e r t 5264 • Mr.: SpgtfMr: I believe tbit is the agree with the Auditor-General’* re practice. The Awlltos-General M o marks and that he has got his own ''into the accounts -and then sends a explanation. The Auditor-General is draft Report as to on what point* he entitled to have his own view. He .has got some difficulty. He sends it to will have the report presented to the the Ministry to explain. Hie Ministry House and it will be sent to the tend it back with their comments or 'Public Accounts Committee. The re their remarks. The Auditor-General commendations of the Public Accounts may accept them or may not accept Committee are treated as those of the ' them. He is not bound to accept House except where discussions on whatever the Ministry says. The specific issues are sought to be raised Ministry might try to justify certain in this House That is the practice things which could not be justified. Therefore, I do not think whatever The Auditor-General has got the right the hon. Minister has said is wrong to differ from the Ministries. Like wise, the Ministry has always the Shri Dasappa: May I submit, Sir, ■right to differ from the Auditor- that it is only admitted facts that are General. incorporated in the Audit Para and Shri Ranga: No, Sir. that Mr Morarka’s question related only to facts and not to comments of Mr Speaker: Order, order What the Auditor-General” is the good of getting up and saying Sardar Swaran Singh: If I may say something? so, the hon Member, Shri Morarka After the Auditor-General makes a put the question as to whether 1 final report it comes to the Public agreed with the comment or not. Accounts Committee. The Public And, all that I said was that the Accounts Committee gives an opportu Report is, there, I have seen the Re nity to the Ministry and examines its port and it is going to the Public officers. The Auditor-General also sits accounts Committee, and that I would by the side. Ultimately, the Public like to await the outcome of the Accounts Committee makes a Report. P A C’s consideration. We have always treated the re As you were rightly pointing out, commendations of the Public Accounts Sir, it is open to the Minister to differ Committee as very important The But, may I also point out that it is, Auditor-General has got the right to perhaps, not open to the Minister inspect the accounts and, const itut- really to cnticise the Report unless -ionaUy. he has got the duty to do the P.A.C. have given their finding* that The Ministry might ftlso have That is the convention which I under sent its explanation. Ultimately, stand has been followed from time whatever is said by the Public to time. It is easy for me to put in a Accounts Committee is treated almost unilateral way my viewpoints before as important as the decision of the the House saying that what is con House. tained in the Audit Report is not correct I think it is not. perhaps, I have recently ruled in a case fair to the House and tft the P.A.C where particular Issues were to be if I take up such a position before brought before the House for dis that matter is thrashed out by the cussion and clarification, that such P.AC. I think I am observing the points may be brought before the convention which has been there House. Otherwise, the Reports of the all along Public Accounts Committee are bind ing on the Government. If the Min Shri Morarka: May I say this? istries raise any objection, it may be Start Raghunath SfnglK The Question taken up here. Till then, it is open to Hour is over the Miaister to say that he does not 526$ Oral Answer* PHALGUNA 19, 1«M> (SA&A ) Written -Answ ers $266 Shri H t a ik t : Yes May I-«»y this, And that is why the Report foes to Sir? When once the Auditor-General the P.A.C. and thereafter the Minis* makes a Report and it has come to ter would be free to express his awn the House, are we not entitled to opinion. examine it and put questions on the basis of the irregularities pointed out Mr. Speaker: I am seriously con by the Auditor-General, and is it sidering one matter which has com* open to the hon Minister to say up to me. When the Auditor-General that he will not give his opinion finds very serious irregularities in till he has submitted his views to the what the Government has done and Public Accounts Committee? The1 ultimately the Government corrects Public Accounts Committee may take it, the House has not got an oppor one or two years to examine these tunity to know exactly what the things irregularities were. I am trying to tell the Auditor-General that thost Sardar Swaran Singb: If n be your senous matters must be brought to order if you say that 1 should give my the notice o f this House. Merely be view-point, I have no hesitation in cause Government corrects it, that Swing \s vnfoswaAI/Mv ought wo* ta be k&pt vna.v House, Sir, to really decide whethei from the notice of this House the House would like to hear my views when the P.AC is considering Under those circumstances, as I it—the Report which is before them said, the Minister's right to tender his explanation to the Auditor-General is Mr. Speaker: This will lead to end there, and until the mater is looked less discussions if, as soon as an Audi* into by the Public Accounts Com Report is placed before the P u M k mittee it ought not to be treated as a Accounts Committee, these questions final thing which the Government is are taken up here, before the P A C bound to accept. has had an opo«r*unitv to look into it After all, the Public Accounts Now. let us proceed to the next Committee consists of very important v item representatives of this House There fore, if an hon Member wants to tak« up an Audit Report and put question', on it and expects the hon Minister to WRITTEN ANSWERS TO answer them, it will be spending QUESTIONS away the time of the House One Report may consume the time of the Buddha Partnlrvana Jayaati Memorial House for a whole month In these circumstances, I would advise hon C- Sharma: \ Shri Bhakt Darshan: Members not to put such questions 01 such serious matters I would ask WiU the Minister of Scientific Re the Public Accounts Committee to search and Cultural Affairs be pleas expedite looking into these ed to refer to the reply given to Shri Ranfa: May I, Sir. be per Unstarred Question No 735 on th«* mitted to clear one small misundei - 2nd December, 1958 and state: standing*’ So far as the facts stated by the Audit Report are concerned, (a) whether the scheme for laying the Minister has to accept them The out a park around the rite of the Ministry has accepted them Other Monument in New Delhi to comme wise, those facts will not be stated bv morate Buddha Parinirvana Jayanti the Auditor-General So far as hk' has since been finalised: and own view-s arc concerned, based upon ( those facts, there, of course, is the (b) the steps taken sc far to lay possibility of a difference of opinion nut the park? 5 * 7 Writ*** AfUttwr* PHALOUNA 19, IttO .Written Anrawn 5268 Tbs mWwWDr W Id —ate ■seeen* Allowance*, to M U CeaaeUlan ■a* O t t e i l Aflaln (Shri Humayvn *1064. 8UH Vajpayee: WiU the Min. SaMr): (») Yes, Sir. ister of Home Affairs be pleased to (b) (i) Barbed wire fencing around state: the Park has been completed. (a) whether it is a fact that the (ii) The Unflltered water pipe Delhi Municipal Corp oration parsed a line is being laid. resolution urging revirion in thi - ale (Hi) The sump-cum-pump bouse of ; llcwances given to Municipal is in progress and is expected to be Councillors in Delhi: completed by the end of April 1359. (b) il so, the changes suggested, arid National Coafereaee an Reading (c) the Government's reactions •1HX- Skrl Jfbalaa Stake: Will the thereto? ICaigter of Education be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred The Minister of Home Affairs Question No. 893 on the 3rd Septem (8hri C. B. Pant): (a \es ber, 1958 and state: (b) The resolution suggested amend (a) the expenditure incur, c j in ment of rule 3 of DuH Municipal connection with the National Con Corporation (Allowan of count; Hors ference on Reading; and and aldermen) Rules, 1958, by which a daily allowance at the rati< of Rs 15 (b) the achievements of the said for each day on whic'i a councillci •'r Conference? an alderman attends any meeting or meetings of the Corporation or anv The Minister of F.ducjtlor iDr K Committee thereof has been fixed, ®o L. Shrimati): as to provide that a c/uncillor or an (a) Rs. 1,641-70. alderman should be entitled to re ceive an allowance at the rate of (b) A statement is laid or. the Table Rs 150 per month and R*. 5 for each of the House [See Appendix III, day on which he attends anv meeting annexure No 75] or meetings of the Corporation or any Committee thereof Life Insurance Corporation (c) The Commissiouet, Delhi Muni cipal Corporation, was informed that, f Shri Kodiyan: as Section 34 of the Delhi Municipal *1863 ^ Shri V. P. Nayar: Corporation Act, 1957. under which j^Shri Punnoose: the above rule wa? mad< provided for the payment of allowances to coun Wall the Minister 01 Finance be pleased to state- cillors and aldermen only for attend ance at meetings and did not con (a) v-hether it is « fa^v i*iat agents template a monthly allowance not of Lift* Insurance Corporation ex dependent on attendance at rr.eetaigs perience considerable delay in col and another allowance dependent on lecting their commissions and re attendance at meetings thJ* rule -ould newal/; and not be amended. (b) if so, the steps taken to mitigate UNESCO’s Publications it? *1065. Shri Iff. R. Krishna: Will the Ik e Deputy Minister of finance Minister of Education he pleased to (SlnixaaU Tarkeshwan Sinha>: a) state: No, Sit. Ject‘ Scheme to foster mutual appre- acquired ’aircraft' carrier* Inis' b*aa of the cultural values of refitted and modernised? O^ent and Occident; The Deputy Minister of Defenoe (b) what is the total amount spent (Shri Raghiirsmstsh): The work of on, such publspations and in what completion and modernisation of the languages they have been printed; aircratt earner is in progress' and* is ar.d expected to be completed during 1961. (c) what is the amount pome by Life Insoranoe Corporation the Oovemment of India and what is met by the UNESCO? *1067. Shri Damani: Will the Minis ter of Finance be .pleased to state: I k e Minister of Education (Dr. B. L. Shrixnali): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) what has been the expense ratio of the Life Insurance Corporation since < (b) and (c). A statement is laid on its inception, half-year-wise, and the Table of the Hou.se (b) what are the main reasons for the rise in expense ratio? S t a t e m e n t The Deputy Minister of Finance A joint ‘Unesco-India Trust Fund* (Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinlia): (a) with contributions both fiom t*.e and (b). The first accounting period Government of India and UNESCO of the Life Insurance Corporation ex has been created to which India has tended over sixteen moritns, from so far contributed a sum of Rs 75,000 1st September, 1956 to 31st December, in five yearly instalments of Rs. 15,000 1957, and the “expense ratio” has been each commencing from the year calculated only over the whole of 1953-54 UNESCO has also been con this period The ratio cannot be com tributing a simil.df amount and has puted for shorter intervals so far paid a sura of $ 13,253 (Rs. 65,000) from its own budget to The overall expense ratio of the wards this ‘Fund’. The Fund is Corporation for the first period of It operated by UNESCO. Out of this months was 27*3 per cent, and the re Fund, so far Rs 97,000 approximately newal expense ratio 15 89 per cent. has been utilized for thi*. purpose and a further sum of Rs 43,000 is The figures in resp<>ct of the year expected to be spent during this 1958 w.ll become avail-il.!-’ < nly to year. wards the end of 1959. Of the 51 Indian Classics covered under this Project, UNESCO has so Golo 'Smuggling ter initiated action on the translation A? of 36 classics. Five of these are to be f Shri P. G. Sea: translated into both English and 1 Shri Jhulan Slnha: *1068 ^ Shri S. C Samanta: French and the remaining into either | Shri Barman: English or French. 0 ! these, five [ Shri Bibhuti Mishra: classics have since been published, four in French and one in English. Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to state. Aircraft Carrier Shri R ifh su th Singh (a) whether it is a fact that th* Shri Naval Prabhakar. following ships (1) Sangola (2) { Santhia (3) Eastern Saga (4) Eastern Muse (5) Takshang (6) Loksang (7) Shri Bhakt Darshaa: Choy slang and (8) Eastern Maid Will tho Minister of Defence oe carry smuggled gold to India; pleased to state whether the newly jp7Z Written A s iW tr * PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) Written Answer* 527a (b) to which nationality the crew Pensions and Gratuity o f these ships belong; and *1676. Shri J. B. S. Bist: Will the (a) It is not possible to say whether (b) whether a similar interpre these vessels invariably carry smug tation is to be given in respect cf gled gold It is, however, a fact that pension and gratuity of other the vessels (1) Sangola (2) Santhia Government servants and if not, <3) Eastern Saga (4) Eastern Muse the reasons therefor7 <5) Taksang (6) Loksang and (7) Choy Sang were involved in smug The Deputy Minister of Finance gling of gold No seizure of gold was (Sbrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha): (a ) effected from Eastern Maid, though The position is that the retirement two suspicious openings suitable for benefits admissible to the Comptroller secreting contraband goods were and Auditor-General are regulated discovered on rummage of the under the provisions of the Comptrol vessel. | * ( ler and Auditor-General (Conditions of Service) Act, 1953 and he is entitl (b) British, Chinese and Indian ed to a pension under Section 3 of the Act By virtue of Section 4 of the (c) Yes, Sir la some cases the same Act, the Comptroller and Audi crew were found to carry gold even tor-General is also entitled to such in their rectums. gratuity as may be admissible to him under the rules for the time being Polling In General Elections applicable to the service to which he *1069. Shri Shivananjappa* Will belonged on the date of his appoint the Minister of Law be pleased to ment as Comptroller and Auditor- General state: | (a) whether it is a fact that the (b) The question does not anse, as Election Commission is working on a the rules governing other Government procedure to complete polling in the servants are different from the pro next general elections in ten days, visions contained m the Comptroller and and Auditor General (Conditions of Service) Act, 1953 (b) if so, the details thereof? • Government Resin and Turpentine The Deputy Minister of Law (Shri Factory, Nahan Bajarnavis): <*) and ibl The Elect ion Commission is not working out •1691. Pandit J. P. Jyotishi: Will any speeial procedure foi the pur the Minister of Home Affairs be pose of completing polling m the pleased to state: m xt general elections in ten days. It, however, expects that by the time of (a) what was the quantity of Resin the third General Elections, it may be and Turpentine produced by the Gov possible to reduce the period of poll ernment Resin and Turpentine factory further by improving the election at Nahan (Himachal Pradesh) in the •Machinery. year 1988-59; $a?3 Written A n n o m MAKCH 10, jm * Written Antteers 3*7 4 (b) haw it compares with the pro ftrw ( 4 t w» ti« wwi) : duction of the previous two years; ( v ) xtK (fr ). (c) whethci 1! is e fact that the tar fan *wt t 1 factory had been running into losses; and f l T O (d) what is the position now with [*) *np v c v n ^ (v) fagR »?TTTT ?r xrifa *pw m v r wrrrrr *farT w i ’F p w ^ i \ % ?sftr ^par 5«r h n TOfV 1 fimfn fro . Tft i ( 3 ) qfe^q snim *>t *t7*rr h fa Tfifsnr ^TFT *Pt ?ft*IT T7" ( v ) WT n ? $ fa unTrT «ftr ifn- vrNrpn ^ tsn ^ n,^ m H&pfr *T ?f*^T =zntTTT 5rr»t T-r f , irRf^nr (vw n<* « m ) ^?rnn f 1 (w) *Tfircfr, m *m nr: torn («•) ^ f^prrn h rvm 3 w r *rrfarr^ *rc t ’ »nnTt % fjnR t*tt xftr rrnr 3*75 Anatom PHALGK7MA. 19, 1880 (SAKA) Written Annoert 527ft m *Nr * *ro vtf w fr, ( « ) v n v r «ffc ^WWW-^Wt qfifffffW f %S*%fFT \VLl * «*ar m m T w itm ; wftri? ww *nnr qr $ P* iftr *wr «prr-fr*WT (*r) ?ft fts w q jr a r fa n c g«n* *r w* 1 fW T arm T v i r t o v t srftr «hrc («.) ifrft-fafr*»ra«r*3ran* vrr star 7 fHww % ** ^rwt «ftr «pfir %*m, w w <«m *nft («rarvr vrro % ftnr t o srrfrrc *m * w n * ? ) ( * ) » TTRft «rtr TOK % llfcftftift *T 3W «PT tf*Sm «RT* *T ( * ) 33ft * fnm r It 1 Building for Delhi Municipal Corporation Engineering Collaie at Thirupathi *iv n . Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will th* •IMS. Shri Rami Reddy: Will the Minister of Home Affairs be pleased Minuter of Scientific Research and to state: Cultural Affaire be pleased to state* (a) whether the allotment of a &ite (a) whether an Engineering College for the construction of the Delhi is proposed to be located in Thirupathi, Municipal Corporation headquarters and has been made. (b) if so, iti> situation, and (b) the financial aid the Central Government have given’ (c) the details of this project* The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri The Minister of Scientific Research G B Pant): (a) No and Cultural Affairs (Shri Humayun Kabir): (a) Yes, Sir The College will “Madias Casteas* (c) whether Government are SHrimatl Ha Falchoudhuri: tkat the above b*ate of affairs has Will the Minister of Plnaaee be pleas Blade some students to leave col leges, and ed to state: (d) whether Government will In (a) whether Government’s attention has been drawn to a letter from Mrs form all Heads of Institutions by wire 1Peggy Braxton published in The not to compel Scheduled Caste stu Statesman dated the 21st February, dents to pay their tuition fees till 1959, In which apathy on the part of the matter is Anally decided7 •Customs Officials of Madras has been The Minister of Education (Dr K. alleged in regard to clearance of her L. Shrimali): (a) Yes, Su »car; ch) A Statement is laid on the (b) if so, what are the facts of the Table of the House [See Appendix •case; and III, annexure No 77] (c) the steps taken to prevent a (c) Some such cases have been recurrence of 'such incidents* brought to the attention of Govern ment The Deputy Minister of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) Yes, Sir (d) In view of what has been stated the answer to part (b) of the (b) A statement is laid on the Table Question it is not considered neces •of the Sabha [See Appendix III, an- sary to inform the Heads of Institu mexure No 76] tions at this stage (c) The matter is under considera- .tion Military Exercises •1081 Shri Braj Raj Singh Will the Scholarships for Scheduled Caste Minister of Defence be pleased to Students state C Shri B. K. Gaikwad: (a) whether it is a fact that military Shri Katti: exercises are held m civil areas also, Shri Manay. (b) whether on the 16th February, Shri Balasaheb Saluuke: 1&59 military exercises took place in *1080.^ Shri Dige: the civil area in village Baisam-ka- ' Shri S. C. Samanta: P\irwa, 30 miles away from Allahabad, Shri Subodh Hansda; 1 Shri Balkrishna Wasnlk: (c) whether, after the exercises (_Shri Wodeyac: were over, certain mortar bombs were toft over on the place of the exer Will the Minister of Education be cises, tpleased to state (d) if so, whether as a result of the (a) whether it is a fact that the explosion of a mortar bomb, four per- amount of Rs *25 lakhs to cover all *><>119 died, •eligible Scheduled Caste students was (e) whether it was due to any neg made available only in the second ligence on the part of military autho hall of November, 1958, rities, and (b) whether it is also a fact that .Heads of the Institutions in India have (f) whether any enquiries have been fflot been informed as to which stu conducted and any compensation paid t<> the dependents of the deceased dents have been awarded scholar 7 ships and hence tfte students are com The Deputy Minister of Defeaee pelled to pay their tuition fees and (Sardar Majtthla): (a) Yes, som* examination tees; nulitary exercises are held in civil 53f t Wri»m>'A*#Wei* PftALOUNA l®, OSAKA) Wrtttt» A m to n 5386 « m i ' btft only remote locaHtier w e ' Manufacture o f Aircraft* selected lor «ueh exercises and Ora practices are conducted after due &hH Sobodh flaasda:' wanting to the local population. Shri S. C. Samanta: fShri R. C. Majhi: (b) No military exercises were con ducted in village Baisam-ka-Purwa IW tfl Vldya Charan Shukla: on the 18th February 1969. An In Will the Minister of D efesw e be fantry Battalion however earned out pleased to state: mortar firing exercises at Shankar - (a) whether any decision has been garh range near Allahabad on the 13th taken regarding the manufacture of February, 1999. medium transport-cum-passenger air (c) and (d). The civil authorities crafts in collaboration with a foreign firm during the Third Five Year Plan have reported that a villager from Bairem-ka-Purwa in Shankargarh period; Police Circle, picked up an unexplod (b) if so, the name of the place ed mortar bomb and earned it to his where thi« factory will be located; hut on the evening of 13th February a J 1959. Next morning, that is, on 14th February 1959, while he was trying to (c) whether negotiations with the break the bomb to extract brass, it foreign firm have been completed and exploded, resulting m the death of 4 the name of the firm* persons and serious injuries to 5 others The Deputy Minister of Defence (Sardar Majithia): (a) No, Sir. (e j and (f) A Court of Inquiry (b) Docs not arise has already been set up and the in. quiry is m progress The question of (c) Does not arise compensation will be considered m consultation with Revenue authorities Pilot Plant for Stainless Steel ' after the results of the inquiry are Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: known Shri S. M. Banetjee: J| Shri Tangamant: Relaxation »f Capital Issue Control ✓ I Shri A. K Gopalan: Will the Minister of Scientific Re- - •10m /S h r i Rajendra Singh: search and Cultural Affairs be pleas \ Sardar Iqbal Singh: ed to refer to the reply given to Will the Minister of Finance be Starred Question No. 301 on the 28th pleased to refer to the reply given to November, 1958 and state at what starred question No 72 on the 19th stage is the question of setting up of November, 1958 and state: a pilot plant to produce stainless xteel? (a) whether Government have since taken a final decision in regard to re The Minister of Scientific Research v laxation of the Capital Issue Control; and Cultural Affairs (Shri* Homayun and Kabir): It is proposed to make mckle- free stainless steel on trial as a part (b) if so, the nature of the decision of the production of the Alloy & Tool taken? steel plant to be set up. The ques tion of setting up of a pilot plant, The Depot? Minister of Finance therefore, does not arise Quotations <8M a a fl Tarkeshwarl Sinha): (a) for the preparation of the detailed end (b). The matter is under active project report for the AJloy A Tool consideration and Government expect » Steel Plant have been received and to take a decision shortly. sre under consideration. 5*$i Written Answ en , U ABCR 10, 19S9 Written A netoem * -#'538*1 Stool Re-Bolling H D s la Bihar (») (*r). *fart fa* «rl •INS. Pandit D. N. Tiwary: Will wynfts w* wirfWHr the Minister of Steel, Mines a d Faet «wr hwikO wtf m * be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that it has m fw m c r t (m entor) % v y n x been decided to set up a steel re-roll ing mill at Mehsi (District Champa- H tt ptr | — ran) in North Bihar; (?) (»*v) (tfarrSfc) (b) if so, the party which has been t entrusted with this job, and ( i t ) w y w nr «fft wflww m y (c)- whether any other place in North Bihar is being considered for another re-rollmg mill’ (^TT) H m %trr The Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): (a) to ( have still to be imported, mainly from (c) Tenders had been invited for Fenian Gulf sources. the civil engineering work in the en tire steel plant area on a description (b) and (c) Under the refineiv of items of civil engineering involved agreements, the prices of fuel oils, and approximate quantities Three like other products of these refiner valid tenders were received and the ies, are based on import pant} Aftci work m the major sections of the negotiations with the oil companies plant was awarded to the lowest ten- certain ad hoc reductions in their derei It was considered desirable, telling prices of various products (in as a measure of insurance to have at cluding fuel oils) were agreed to b\ least one other major contractor them with effect fiom 20-5-1958 working at site The work m the those reductions were, howevei, mop auxiliary shops zone of the mam steel ped up through additional taxation plant and the construction of the In consequence of the same agree hotel which had to be done expedi ment, the Chief Cost Accounts Offi tiously were given to Messrs Uttam cer of Gove-nmont ha-, been making Singh Duggal & Company mainly on a detailed examination of the quantum the basis of rates already quoted by and propriety of all charges includ them foj »m k in the entire steel plant ed by the oil companies m the sellinn ai Oci prices of petroleum products (includ ing fuel oils; o that a new pncf (d) No S11 Thi proposal to award formula, which will have retrospec the work b\ negotiation to this Com tive effect fiom 1-4-1958 can bt pany was made by the General evolved Hi, 1 ( poi t 1 expected Managei Bhilai and was approved by by the end of March aftei which the the Go\einment of India The nego new formula will be settled w it'i the tiations hading to the contiact as also .companies the signing of thi contract took place m Bhila. Hotel at Bhilai Common Police Reserve for Northern ->1088 Shri Vidya Charan Shukla Zone Will thi M mstei of Steel Minn and Fuel be pleased to state 1089 Shri D. C. Sharma. Will the Minister of Home Affairs be pleased (a) whethei it is a fact that a ci\.l to state engineering contract for construction of a hotel building at Bhilai was la 1 whethei it is a fdU that the foi- awarded to Messrs Uttam Singh malion of a Common Police Reserve Dugga] & Company, Force foi the Northern Zone has been decided upon m principle and (b) if so, whethei an> tendeis weie called for 01 negotiations conducted (bi if so the step* taken to im with any othei tonlractors befoie the plement the decision’ contract was so awaided, The Minister of Home*Affairs (Shri (c) if not the reasons theiefoi and G. B Pant) (a) Yes (d) whethei it is a fact that the (b) In accordance with the decision contract was awarded at Delhi and not taken by the Zonal Council at its last at Bhilai9 meeting, the heads of Governments of the three States included m the The Minister of Steel. Mines and Northern Zone (Jammu and Kashmu. Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh) (a) Yes Punjab and RajasthanV> have been re Sir quested to work out the details of (b) No, Sir th*' scheme S»S3 Written 4 » m « i MAKCH ^ MW . Wrtttol Aiwww (b) As I have stated in reply to similar questions on previous occa UODO. / Btal \Shri Amur: sions, we are already making the maximum possible effort to bride* Will the Minister of Steel, Mines the gap in the overall balance of and Fuel be pleased to state: payments through export promotion, (a) whether it is a fact that free curtailment of Imports and securing sale of 25 per cent frozen stocks of of external assistance. It is the over box-strapping imported on commer all balance that is of greater signi ficance for policy rather than the cial accounts has been sanctioned; surplus or deficit with any one (b) whether it is also a fact that country or group of countries. the importers are allowed free sale j Temporary Assistants of 25 per cent of materials m addition to that; and *1098. Shrimati Sucheta Kripalanl: Will the Minister of Home Affairs be (c ) if so, the reasons thereof’’ pleased to refer to the reply given to The Minister o f Steel, Mines and Unstarred Question No. 2116 on the Fuel (Sardar Swann Singh) fa) Yes, 18th December, 1958 and state how Sir. long it will take to finalise the con firmations of the Assistants who have (b) No, Sir. put in 10 to 15 years’ service and are still temporary? (c) Box strappings are not distri buted against quotas With a view The Minister of State in the Minis to ensure equitable distribution of the try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): limited imports, the commercially im The confirmation of these temporary ported stocks are frozen and distri Assistants being contingent on the buted to major essential consumers. availability of the required number In order to enable the small consumers of permanent vacancies in the depart to obtain their requirements directly mental quota, no definite time-limit from the importers, free sale of 25 can be indicated Confirmations will per cent of the imported stocks has be effected as and when vacanciea been allowed. for this purpose become available. Sanskrit Commis^on ’ Shri Ram Krlshan Gupta: Balance of Payments with U.K. Shri Shree Narayan Dass: Shri D. C Sharma: *1691. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Shri Bhakt Darshan: Minister of Finance be pleased to state Shri Vajpayee: Sbri S C. Samanta: (a) the present position of India's Shri Snbodh Hansda balance of payments with the United *1093./ Shri Padam Dev: Kingdom; and Shri Snpakar: (b) in case it is adverse, the steps Shri Bibhnti Mishrar that are behig taken to me»t it? Shri Jhulan Sinha: Shri A. K. Gopalan: The Deputy Minister of Finance Shri Kodlyan: (Shri B. B. Bhagat): (a) According Shri AJit Singh Sarhadi: to the latest available data, India’s Shri Prakash V. Shastri: balance of payments with the United Will the Minister of Education be* Kingdom showed a current account pleased to refer to the reply given to deficit of Rs. 87.2 crores during April- Starred Question No. 816 on the 10th September 1$58, as compared to December, 1958, and state: Ra. 92.1 crores during the correspond (a) whether recommendations made- ing period of 1057. by the Sanskrit Commission have. 5387 Written Answers PHALGUNA 19, 1^80 ^ (SAKA) Written Antwen been examined by the State Govern- coming in respect of the writing pro* -tnents wMT Universities; visions of the Universal Copyright (b) if so, nature of their comments, Convention, 1952, and (b) if so, the difficulties experi (c) specific proposals formulated enced, and decisions taken? (c) whether Government has made The Minister of Education (Dr. K. L any suggestions to the UNESCO in Shrimall): (a) Comments from 7 this regard, State Govemments/Umon Territory Administrations, 19 Universities and (d) the suggestions made, and the University Grants Commission are (e) the response thereto9 still awaited They have stated that the matter is under their considera The Minister of Scientific Research tion and Cultural Affairs (Shri Humayon Kablr): (a) Yes, Sir (b) The comments so far received are generally favourable on most of (b) The lack of a provision m the the proposals Convention requiring a member State (c) Does not anse to prosecute its national who infringes copynght belonging to the national Coal Production of another member State *1094 Shri D C. Sharma. Will the (c ) Yes, Sir Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel be pleased to state (d) That the Convention should provide for member States instituting (a) how much of the target of pro cnminal proceedings against infringers duction of coal fixed for the Second of copyright residing within their Five Year Plan has been achieved jurisdiction, at the motion of the upto 1958 59, and Government to which the lawful (b) whether any programme for owner of copyright may belong mechanising coal mines has been drawn up* (e) An early decision is not expect ed, as all member States will have to The Minister for Steel. Mines and be consulted Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): (a) Against the target of 22 million tons System of Examinations of additional production, a little over *1096 Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the 7 million tons has been achieved by Minister of Education be pleased to the end of December, 1958 refer to the reply given to Starred (b) There is no overall programme Question No 778 on the 10th Decem for mechanising coal mines The Coal ber, 1958 and lay a statement on the Board has, however, laid down that Table showing' all layouts in new mines and seams (a) whether Government have should be worked mechanically to received the final report of the the extent possible New mines in U N E S C O Regional Seminar on the public sector are being planned Educational Reform for South and on the basis of maximum mechanisa tion South-East Asia which met m Delhi and had recommended a change in the Universal Copyright Convention character of examination system in India and other countries m the *1W5. Shri Vajpayee: Will the region, Minister of Scientific Research and Cnttnral Affairs be pleased to state. (b) if so, its details, and (a) whether Government has been (c) the reaction of Government to experiencing any difficulty or shwt- thi* recommendation9 *’ * 5369 Written" A nau m a MASKS! lt>> !• » Written Answer# 5290 The Minister «( Bdaeafiea (Dr. K. I . 3. Uttar Pradesh Financial Cor WurimaU): (a) No, Sir. poration in respect of the bank’s branches situated under (b) and (c). Do not arise. the jurisdiction of the Bengal Circle of the Bank. State Bank of India 1689. Shri Bam Krlshan Gupta: Will Expenditure Tas ■the Minister of Finance be pleased to state the names of State Financial ‘ Shri Ram Krtahan Gupta: ^Corporations with which the State Shri D. C Sharma: Bank of India has entered into agrec- Shri L. Aehaw Singh: jnent whereby they can make use of 16M. ^ Shri Hem Raj: ih e services of the Bank for furnish Shri Pangarkar: ing reports on parties, processing Shri Daljit Singh. applications, disbursing loans etc.? ( The Minister of Finance (Shri Shri Rajendra Singh: Morarji Desai): The following State Will the Minister of Finance be ^Financial Corporations have entered pleaded to state ti>e total amount of into agency agreements with the State expenditure tax augm ents, collec Bank of India under which the bank tions and arrears, upto 31st December, will act as the Corporations’ agent for 1950 (State-wise)' ■collecting reports on the industrial units, disbursing loans, collecting The Minister of FinAnte (Bhri instalments etc: Morarji De&ai): A statement giving 1 Bombay State Financial Cor the necessary 'nfcrmation is given poration below As figures are available only according to the charges of the Com 2. West Bengal Financial Cor missioners, they have been grouped poration together State-wise to the extent possible (Figures in thousands of rupees) S. State Demand Collections Arrears No. raised madejipto aa on upto31 - 12-1958 i-r-1959 31-12-1958 1 Assam, Tripura and Manipur 27 13 14 2 Andhra Pradesh 1092 13 1079 3 Bombay (excluding the districts of Nagpur and Bhandara) 1342 203 1139 4 Bihar and Onsta 5 Delhi and Rajasthan 221 1R3 38 6 Kerala and Coimbatore 20 • • 20 7 Madras (excljding Coimbatore District) 6 2 4 8 M y s o r e ...... 3 3 9 Madhya Pradesh and Districts of Nagpur and Bhandara 457 28 429 10 Punjab and Himachal Pradesh 349 22 327 11 Uttar Pradesh 97 10 «7 12 West Bengal 165 81 84 T otal 3779 558 *3221 * This includes the demand of R». 24*36 iskhs raistd during December, 1958. 5* 9 * Written A n sw ers PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) Written Answers 5292 Child Welfare Manufacturing Capacity of Ordnance Factories 164L Shri Run Krishan Gupta: Will the Minister of Eduoatioa be pleased 1644. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the to state the total amount spent by Minister of Defence be pleased to the Government of India during state: 1958-59 so far for promoting Child (a) the names of Ordnance Factories Welfare Scheme (State-wise)? where cent, per cent, manufacturing The Minister of Education (Dr. K. L. capacity is being used; 8brimali): A statement is placed on (b) the names of Ordnance Fac the Table. [See Appendix III, tories where 50 per cent, is being annexure No. 78.] used; and (c) the names of those where less Overcrowding in Educational than 50 per cent, is being used? Institutions The Minister of Defence (Shri 1642. Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: Will Krishna Menon): (a) to (c). It is not the Minister of Education be pleased m the public interest to disclose the to state the nature of the steps taken extent of utilisation of manufacturing or proposed to be taken to remove capacity in each factory overcrowding in educational institu tions? Supply of Raw Hides to Harness and Saddlery Factory, Kanpur The Minister of Education (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): A statement is laid on the 1645. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the Table of the Sabha [S ee Appendix Minister of Defence be pleased to HI, annexure No. 79 ] state: (a) the number or quantity of raw Auction of Stores hides supplied to Harness and Saddlery Factory, Kanpur during 1956 and 1643. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the 1957; Minister of Defence be pleased to state (b) the number or quantity tanned; (a) total book value of stolen (c) whethei the number decreased auctioned 111 Ordnance Depots during in 1958; 1957-58 and upto 1st January, 1959, and fd) if so, to what extent, and (el the reasons for the same9 (b.) the value at ehappals and also due to utilisation Red Feet, Delhi of buffalo bellies recovered from Prime Leather in place of Kattai Hide*. f Shri Pangarkar: 16M. 4 Shri D. C. 8ham a: Work Done far Railways Is O r i U N (_8hri Dalitt Singh: Factories Will the Minister of Sden tlle Re 1646. Shri 8. M. Banerjee: Will the search and Cultural Affairs be pleas Minister of Defence be pleased to ed to state: state: (a) the amount spent for the main (a) the total value of work done tenance of Red Fort, Delhi during for Railways in Ordnance Factories 1958-59; and during 1957*58; (b) the amount proposed to be Ob) whether more work is likely spent during 1959-60? to be done during 1958-59 and 1959-60; and The Deputy Minister o f Sdenttts Research and Cultural Affairs (Dr. (c) if so, to what extent? M. M. Das): (a) Rs. 5,084 (Upto 31st The Deputy Minister of Defence January, 1959) (Shri Raghuramaiah): (a) The total value of work done for Railways and (b) Rs. 9,900 subject to funds being Government Departments during voted by Parliament 1957-58 was Rs. 143.27 lakhs. Appro ximately 75 to 80 per cent of this was Agra Fort for the Railways. 1649. Shri Pangarkar: Will the (b) The value of work to be done Minister of Scientific Research and during 1958-59 is likely to be main Cultural Affairs be pleased to state: tained more or less at the same level as for the year 1957-58. Every endeav (a) the amount spent for the main our is being made to increase the tenance of Agra Fort during 1958-59, quantum of work for the Railways in and 1959-60 (b) the amount to be spent during (c) It is not possible to state whai 1959-60? the value of work for Railways in 4 1959-60 will be as it will depend on The Deputy Minister of Scientific the orders which will be placed by Research and Cultural Affairs (Dr. the different Railways M. M. Das): (a) Rs. 22,770 (Upto 28th February, 1959) Entertainment Tax in Delhi (b) Amount proposed is Rs. 34,750, 1641. Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: subject to funds being voted by Will the Minister of Home Affairs be Parliament pleased to state the total amount of income from the entertainment tax to Ellora and Ajanta Caves the Delhi Administration during the year 1957-58’ 1650. Shri Pangarkar: Will the The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri Minister of Scientific Research and G. & Pant): The total income from Cultural Affairs be pleased to state: entertainment tax during 1957-58, as (a) the amount spent for the main reported by the Delhi Administra tenance of Ellora and Ajanta Caves tion, was Rs. 35,63,034, excluding in during 1958-59; and come from betting tax which amount ed to Rs. 2/9,032 during the same (b) the amount proposed to be year. spent during 1959-60? 5*95 Writtm A n tw ert FHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) Written A n tioers 5396 the Deputy Minuter «t Sulphur Springs in Ornna I w wtfc and Caltml Affairs (Dr. M. M. D u ): 1652. Shri P. K. Deo: Will the Minister of Steel, Mine* and fuel be R*. pleased to state; '•) (i) EUort 18,957 (ii) Ajanta 21,49a (a) whether any geological survey (Upto December, 1958). has been conductor of the various hot (b) Subject to funds being voted by springs in Orissa for sulphur deposits; Parliament: and (b) if so, the results thereof? Ri. (i; EUon 60.000 The Minister of Mines and Oil Localities (ii North of Tarabala 20"i6 .K< io ), Khandapara. The temperature of the water is about 140* F but the discharge is not very copious. The flow of the gas is intermittent, bubbles issuing at intervals of one to two minutes. The spring is held sacred due to the medicinal properties of its water. (ii) Around Heuljhari : S4“jo'>. Athmalik. The atmosphere of the locality is charged with sulphurous odour. The flow of the water is perennial but nor copious. The temperature of the water is much higher than body temperature. The area is held sacred by the lecal people and the water is reported to have medi cinal properties in cases of skin affection. The soil around the spring is coated with a thin layer of salty efflorescence. (Hi) Taptapani (i9’ 29' : *4"24';. Ganjam Jist. Ii is at the headwaters of the Taptapani river _ in porphyroblastic granitic gneiss. It discharges a copious and constant flow of hot water (about 115-F) evolving sulphurous vapour (H.2 S). Some healing properties are claimed for the water. (ir) Deo&ham about a miie the No. Temperature ot hottest I3|*F. Slightly of Wojsinga [ z f t f : 84*34'), Athmalik. saline. Strong discharge of sulphuretted hydrogen. 5297 Written Answer* MARCH 1q, 1959 Written Answers 5298 (v) Atan (20»ia' 8j"3V 30'), Cuttack Temperature I38°F. Discharge copious wirh a quantity of sulphuretted hydrogen. (vi) Near Baghnun t "i * s i ? ) Pm dtsr 20 3 8 The spring which emerges from a nala in yellowish loam in latentic ground, is enclosed in a masonry structure 10*4' in diameter with two outlets leading ia two cemented reservoirs ITie watei is siilphnrous and shows bubbles of gas emerging out of the vent Ti’c late of evolution of gas is not steady The flow of the well was about 2,400 gallons per hour on the 5th of Mav, T9«> The temperature of the water as obierved m the earlv part of Tuh wa> S7"C Ancestral Home of Netaji Subhas youth held with the help of the Cen Chandra Bose tral aid m Hoshiarpur District dur ing 1958, liihi1 J? X. A w ffW iihr Minister of Scientific Research and (b) the amount spent and the Cultural Affairs be pleased to state nature of work done, and (a> whether ascentral home of (<) the names of such camps to be Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose at held there during 19599 Cuttack has been acquired and pre served as a national monument, and The Minister of Education (Dr. K. L Shrimali): (a) to (c) A statement (b) if so. at what cost and what is .s p acid on th< Tdbl< I Set' Appcn its annual maintenance charges9 dix III annexure No 80] The Deputy Minister of Scientific Social Service Camps in Kaagm Research and Cultural Affairs (Dr District M. M. Das): (a) No. Sir 1656. Shn Daljit Singh: Will the (b) Does not anse Minister of Education be pleased to state Hostels in Orissa (a) the names of labour and social 1654. Shri P. K. Deo: Will the service camps for students and other Minister of Education be pleased to youth held with the help of the Cen state the total amount of Central Gov tral aid m Kangra distnct of Punjab ernment aid sanctioned for construc during 1958, and tion of Hostels in Orissa dunng the (b) the names of such camps to be Second Plan period so far9 held there during 19599 The Minister of Education (Dr. K. L. Shrimali): Out of the loan of The Minister of Education (Dr. K. Rs 20 lakhs sanctioned to Bhadrak L Shrimali): (a) College, Shadrak (Orissa State) a (I) Khundian sum of Rs 70,000 has so far been re (II) Ghurkun leased to the College (III) Pathiar Social Service Camps in Hoshlarpur ( i v ) Bandla (v) Kotla 1655. Shri Dal Jit Singh: Will the Minister of Education be pleased to (b) Information regarding location state. # of all camps to be held in Kangra distnct during 1959 has not yet been (a) the names of labour and social received from the organisations con service camps for students and other cerned. Camps at the following 5299 Written A nsw ers PHALGUNA 19, 1880 IS AKA) Written A nsw ers 5300 places had been planned for the Railway Bndge into the exist months of February and March, 1959 ing Rau nallah; but whether these camps were (2) canalising the Rau nallah •dually held or not, is not yet known. upto its outfall into the East (i) Ghian Bern, (li) Paror (3) protecting the embankments (iii) Nadaun along the Rau nallah with ■.tone ptihm f ai>d spurs in Houses for Scheduled Castes In the vicinity of habitations; mm«rh»l Pradesh and 1657. Shri Dal jit Singh: Will the (4) increasing the capacity of the Minister of Horns Affairs be pleased syphon on the Jullundur to state- Branch Canal from 8,000 (a) whether Central Government cusecs to 23,000 cusecs allocated any amount for Scheduled The scheme involves the acquisi Castes Housing Scheme m the villages tion of about 1400 acres of land for of Himachal Pradesh dunng 1958-59 which compensation will be paid The so far; and scheme is being financed jointly by (b) if so, the nature of the schemes’ the Government of India and the Gov ernment of Punjab The Government The Deputy Minister of Home of Punjab w.ll meet 25 per ccnt of the Affairs (Shnmatl Alva): (a) and (b) expenditure while the Government of An amount of Rs 64,000 has bwn India will meet the remaining 75 sanctioned lo> housing scheme foi per cent The scheme is being Scheduled Ca-tos in Himachal Pra executed by the Government of India desh for the yea 1 1958-59 This amounl js for paying subsidy for construction Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe of houses and hu*ments and foi fret* Agriculturists in Punjab supply of G C I sheets 1659. Shri Daljit Sinjrb. Will the Minister of Home Adairs be pleased to Adam par Aerodrome state 1658. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the (a) » o thoi ih* -.ci.Pnv 10 assist Minister of Defence be pleased to the Scheduled Ca'to and Scheduled state: Tribe agriculturists has been imple (a) whether any scheme for the mented in Punjab, md development of the airport of Adam- (b) if so the «irroi>n» allotttd to the pur for its safeguard from floods has Punjab Government Lv the Cent>v been taken up; and undei th's -.rhem* du'inf’ lr'5T-5fi and (b) if so, the details thereof? 1958-59" The Minister of Defence (Shri The Deputy Minister of Home Krishna Menon): (a) Yes. Affairs (Shrimati Alva) Ui > Yet Sir (b) The scheme envisages— (b) The amount' dll'Mted t, the (1) diverting Nasrala Choe from Punjab Govern men1 dur.nt, thi years a point downstream of the 1957-58 and 1958-59 ait? is fo’lowc — I9S7 S'* ( Jitegory oi Backward Classes State Central Total Slate Central Sector Sector Scct< i Sector (R< in lakhs Scheduled Tribes o %(* o -ji O 6 - O O SI Scheduled Castes 6*40 6 40 6 40 Jfi 40 5301 Written Answers MARCH 10, 1969 Written Answers 5302 Fire in LuneJ CHI Well decided to waive the condition of the States finding their matching contri 1669. Shri Run Krishan Gupta: Will bution of 2fi per cent m order to the Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel obtain Central assistance be pleased to state (b) 1957-58 Rs 100 lakh (a) whether it is a fact that fin* 1958-59 Exact figures not broke out m the morning of the 28th yet available November, 1958 at the Lunej oil well site eight nules north-west of (c) Present provision for Second Cambav, Plan is Rs 240 lakhs and actual grants will depend upon how the States can (b) if so, the nature of loss of life implement the Scheme and property, Girls’ Education Arrest of PakistabiR f Shri Ram Krishan Gupta* 1663. Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: | Shri Shree Narayan Das: Will the Minister of Home Affairs be 1661. <[ Shri Kodiyan. pleased to state | Shri Aurobindo Ghosal (a) whether it is a fact that police (_Shr! Wodeyar 1 ecently arrested 10 Pakistanis said to be members of a 19 man inter-State Will the Mimstet of Education bt gang of notorious criminals and pleased to Ktate (b) whethei it is also a fact that (a) the ljaturt of decisions taken this gang operates m Bahawalpur recently for giving grants to States foi (Pakistan) Rajasthan and Punjab’ the education of girls The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri Survey of India •wt ftrorr m rrr f*r 1667 Shn S M. Banerjee. Will the minister of Scientific Research and «P?Sto TR5FP" % fjiltnral Affairs be pleased to state m w za l «tp* mwt # (a) whtthu certain sections of the fipRT *1^ ?PT?T^> % *«T 3 f?TCT It Svjrvtj of India have been declared a<. industrial undei takings, («*) zr sp faq- (b> if so the basis of such declara tion, f?JT m ' \c) the reasons foi excluding othei ftW TT’ITSft ( * T ° v t o !TIo sforoft)' scctions, and (®c) (^ ) an (d) whethei the excluded sections $ »TVt iHTT-Wt TT -n* i f a(-i aUo to bo declared as industrial undertakings ’ 3fwfr I The Deputy Minister of Scientific Survey of India Research and Cultural Affairs (Dr. j4 M Das), (a) Yes Sir 1866. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the (b) The Sections concern td come Ministei of Scientific Research »"<* within the purview of the term ‘Indus Cnltnral Affairs be pleased to lay <1 trial Establishment' as defined in statement on the Table showing (jau.se (e) of Section 2 of Industrial (a) the number r f projects with £fnplo\ment (Standing Orders) Act, their names m which the Survey of India had undertaken survey work dunng the Fir Development of Regional L n p i f t i regarding results of the investigation IMS Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: Will carried out by the Geological Survey the Minister of Scientific Research and of India for lignite m Quilon and Cultural Affairs be pleased to state the Trivandrum districts of Kerala State amount of aid, if any, given by the has already been laid on the Table of Government of India to each State for the Lok Sabha on the 19th November, development of regional languages 1958 during 1958-59 so far’ fan fa * fsfcnft The Deputy Minister of Scientific Research and Cultural Affairs (Dr. t Vio. snmtt: WT faw VL M Das): The following grants have been sanctioned during 1958-59 m vtfr fa • so far under the Government of India's Scheme "Development of Modern («f) 5* stertfar fa^ Indian Languages (Except Hindi)” — fsi»PT * fa?R ^ 1 Andhra Pradesh Rs 5,000 v t7 2 Bombay Rs 3,000 3 Delhi Rs 3,000 (*T) >t f a ^ 4 Jammu & Ka-.hmn Rs 9,600 srrfam % t * 5 Madras Rs 15,000 firo lOmit twTf): 6 Orissa Rs 3,000 7 Punjab Rs 27,009 (*) a West Bengal Rs 36,800 ( * ) = Warakalai Lignite U.P.S.C. Advertisements iM o f Shri Pwmoosc: 1611. Shri Rami Reddy. Will the 1 \Shri Kodiyan: Minister of Home Affairs he pleased to state Will the Minister of Steel, Mines (a) whether Government has revis and Fuel be pleased to state ed the list of newspapers ,w ith whom (a) whether the recent investigation the Union Public Service Commission report on Warakalai Lignite contains places its advertisements, and an account of the study of associated (b) if so whether a copy of the material such as fire clay, ball clay revised list will be placed on the Lehina clay and limestone and Table* (b) whether Government of India The Minister of State in the Minis will place a copy of the report on the try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): (a) Table’ No Sir The Minister of Mines and Oil (Shri •ad staff of the Centre The films (d) if not, whether there is any which were instructive and interesting proposal for immediate Intensive sur were shown to the trainees and helped vey before the end of the Second liv e them considerably to understand and Year Plan period* solve some of the common problems encountered in different parts of the The Minister of n n w and OH world, particularly m the economi (8hri K. D. Malaviya): (a) and (b) cally under-developed areas The No prospecting work was done in UNESCO Travelling Library was also 1957-58 or 1958-59 However, recon displayed during the UNESCO naissance survey to plan mapping and Regional Seminar on Fundamental drilling work was earned out Huriwy Education and Community Develop 1958-59 The work so far done is of ment held at New Delhi during Sep a preliminary nature and it is, there tember, 1958 fore too early to indicate any results Stock Checking in Deha Road Depots (c) and (d) It is proposed to carry 1979 Shfi Aurobindo Ghosal* Wri.1 out deep drilling m Kothagudam and the Minister of Defence be pleased Tandur areas m the immediate future to state Mapping of about 100 sq miles in this region is also proposed during (a) whether the physical verifica the year Investigations have been tion of the stores in Dehu Road Depot planned in this area with a view to has been made, and raise the output of coal to 3 million (b) if not, the rea>tons therefor’ tons by the end of Second Five Year Plan and 6 million tons by the end The Deputy Minister of Defence of Third Plan period But, it is yet (Shri Raghuramalah). (a) Physical too early to indicate the extent of verification of stores m Ordnance and quality of reserves that may or Depots is earned out annually com may not be found as a result of pro mencmg from 1st Apnl each year and posed investigations and dnlling ending by 31st March of the succeed ing year Verification of stores m the sfcjT 3 vfimra fisrwT Ordnance Installations located at Dehu Road for the year 1957 58 has alread> been carried out and verification for wo * o the year 1958-59 is m progress, which will be completed bv the 31st March 1959 v n ftmr *rfr zt% **tr w (b) Does not arise fir • Coal la Ramagnndam and Kothagudam (*r) ffWN* JR5T * srfasrrn ic n / shri *>. V Rao. forwr *rt ssrtapTT \Shri Nagi Reddy WT ft 'tyfcll the Jdmistei of Steel, Mines a a i Fnel be pleased to state ( « ) 5rr»j ?ff (a) whether any prospecting of the extent of coal available around Rama- guadam and Kothagudam areas was ftwr ( tto « i« stontft) made in the years 1957-58 and 1958- 59t ( v ) w '3f*r * (b) if so, what are the results errtft^n v fa ir *pfr jfrwT (c) whether any tentative plan has v t irfknr fiorr an tjt $ i betn drawn to extend coal mining in that area; and (w ) TOT 5T# 3SJT I 5311 Written A nrw ers PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) Written A nsw ers 5313 (v ) Vfr ^ f t ^ t , faB% ^nr *fapc qv «rft ifk it *aft 3$ I tftr q?refcJt r«ft w frr : #rft^re^%?TT^ >« WWW : ^TT ^l?TT $ fa ^ 'W WT ftw r *pft *Tp W R fftT TT%ff t, 3TCT S*2tS»J? *m» wtfn % 'rtptjh far*, trfS ^ in’wrft (*) fafar iw h r ^ s t ^ % f-Tfl 5@fr«T «rr 1 3 Sfl{W i? WT pRR SfTOfotf Sciiure of Smuggled Gold * t *f»w in«rf*r* fcm 1681. Shri Kafhuuth Singh: Will *ptt, tiV the Minister of Finance be pleased to state whether it is a fact that gold (w ) WT FT «j*fl OT bars weighing 1,130 tolas and valued *mrft ^ ^ tvtw % nv # ’ at Rs. 1,20,000 were seized on the 17th January, 1959 by the Bombay Customs ftw r*rft (*To «To WTo «ft*wft) : from the engine room of the steamer “Dwarka” which had arrived from <*) U « Persian Gulf’ (W) 3ft, ST I The Minister of Finance (Shri Morarji Desai): Yes, Sir On 17th IRrfWTPft W i WSTV January, 1959 gold bars weighing 1,130 tolas and valued at Rs 1,29000 approximately were seized by the tS«. *t t«| *HT Custom* authorities from the engine * w fa * «rt**n «flr Hftviwir vrt »nft 100m of the vessel S S. ‘Dwarka’ which had arrived in Bombay the previous fit fTT f*r w t w ^ ? rta’, from the Persian Gulf ports % # Tnroft % m A font *rer- to % jttrt grr ? fsR ^pr (fpm ra wtar) trtor *w c5nfe^>*FT ^nsnrtrt^r m «ra hr wt *wm, * AzU $Z ?nrr tret *Pit § f & ' w r «fhr f r o »rft JTo ^ t r «pt fpqrr mrfsiv wwi HRTfeww ^r*r fa I g i m s^ r % ftrarr w>it A *Hft (*ft 5*n^ The candidates referred to Above were selected m two batches and ad (Trav.rs^s) fran WT ^ f T t 1 mitted to two courses, one commenc *V engt % ,>r ing m July 1957 and the other com (Stratigraphical ) % mencing in January, 1958 • T the Chouflth Jogia Temple and other And Memorial Lectures temples of Ranipur Jharial m Bo lan- gir district at Ornea as monuments of 1687. Shri Shivananjappa : Will the national importance? Minister of Scientific Research and Cultural Affairs be pleased to state. The Deputy Minister of Scientific Research and Cultural Affairs ftw fiw nw fl issued by the High Courts and the ftfiraf lit 1TFW JTTCT I aft Supreme Court 7 wt x m farM-w im^mr fa* The Minister of Finance (81uf Morarji Deaal): A statement giving the M M Ctate of th* Department of The Minister of Home Affairs A n k u olofy (Shri G. B. Pant): (a) and (b). The material is being collected and will be U N . Shri B. C. Mollick: Will the laid on the Table of the House Minister of Scienttflo Research and O attn il Affairs be pleased to state- (a) whether it is a fact that the Compensation for Manipur Airfields State of Orusa has the largest num ber of protected monuments and sites 1895. Shri L. Achaw Singh. Will the m the Eastern Circle of the Depart Minister of Home Affairs be pleased ment of Archaeology; and to state (b) if so, the reason for having the (a) whether the attention of Gov circle headquarters at Calcutta’ ernment has been drawn to the fact The Deputy Minister of Scientific that some outstanding claims to com Research and Cultural Affair* (Dr M pensation for airfield at Kakching and M. Dm ): (a) No, Sir other places in Manipur have not been paid up-till now, P tn h a n of Stores from U.SA and the requisite information is placed on YT.S.S.R the Table. [See Appendix III, an nexure No 85] 1AM / Sbri sin*b- w \ Shri D C. Shanna: (b) Rs. 9,68,871 excluding the amount spent by the Central Social Will the Minister of Defence be Welfare Board on the welfare of pleased to state children (a) the total value of stores pur (c) Rs 2,40,411 chased from U S A and U S S R dui - ing 1958-59 separately, and Coal Bearing Areas in Bibar (b) the value of stores likelv to be 1699 Shri Daljit Singh: Wih the purchased during law-CO’ Minister of Steel Mines and Fuel be pleased to state The Minister of Defence (Shri Krishna Menon): (a) and (b) The / Government o 6 to promote child welfaie during the 6 Bachra Second Five Year Plan period Oordhara 0 5 t 5 Expansion ot production (b) the total amount so far spent from old state collieries O-S tv the Government for this purpose, Total 7-0 and Private Sector (c) the total amount given to voluntary agencies working in this Jhana 3 as field? Karanpuru 0-55 Hie Minister of Education (Dr. K Total 3-80 L Shrimali): (a) A statement giving 53*3 Written Aiuwer* FHALGUNA \ 1880 (SAKA) Written Answeri 5324 (c ) A Wat provision of Rs. 40 Ik e Minister of Home Affairs crorei, so far as the entire public sec (Shri G. B. rant): (a) and (b). Yes. tor (H.C.D.C.) target of 10.5 million 35 hostile Nagas have been arrested tons is concerned, hiu been made, but since the 7th February, 1959, as a no separate State-wise allocations of result of the combing out operations this amount have been considered in th8t area. necessary. Demand for Hard Coke No details regarding the private sector are available. 1702. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Minister of Steel, Mines and Fuel be w r azs*r »rtw vnrwirw pleased to state: (a) whether the Committee ap wmfti* nwTurr «ftc pointed to reassess the demand for hard coke in the country, has sub ar’ft SRTtf «Ft prr VVT fa . mitted its report; (b) if so, the main recommendations * ( t ) $ fa»n»r SRST* of the Committee; and mjr # U N tea. 1*12 hrs. PAPERS l a i d o n t h e t a b l e RS: MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT ^ Appropriation A c c o u n t s a n d A u d it Shri Tangamani (Madurai): Sir, let R ep o r t s me make a representation ^ The Minister of Finance (Shri Morarji Desai): I beg to lay on the Mr. Speaker: Already, we have • Tabic a copy of each of the following interrupted the business of the papers: — House. (Interruptions). (i) Appropriation Accounts of the Shri L. Achaw 8ingh (Inner Mani Defence Services for the year pur): Sir, I have raised a question of 1056*57 and the Commercial privilege. Appendix thereto. (ii) Audit Report, 1958 of Posts Mr. Speaker: Hon. Member.; will and Telegraphs under Article look into the Order Paper. I am call 151(1) of the Constitut:on ing one after the other. What is the and the Appropriation privilege motion? The hon Member Accounts, 1956-57. will kindly resume his seat? (in) Audit Report, 1956 of the Shri Tangamani: I am not___ Government of Delhi under Artxle 151(1) of the Consti tution and the Finance Mr. Speaker: When I onre refuse a ^ Accounts, 1955-56. [Placed tn motion I always say that I do not Library. See No. LT-1270/59.] stand on formalities. If I am con- vinced I will bring it up tomorrow. ' Annual Report o f Coal Board So far as these motions are concerned The Minister of Steel, Mines and I have disallowed them as not within Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): I beg to the jurisdiction of this House. lay on the Table a copy of the Annual Report of the Coal Board for the year Shri Tangamani: The reason has 1957-58. [Placed in Library. See No. not been stated, Sir. LT-1271'59] Mr. Speaker: I am not bound to state A m e n d m e n t s t o M e d ic in a l a n d T o il e t the reasons. P reparations ( E x c is e D u t ie s ) R u l e s The Deputy Minister of Finance Shri Tangamani: Because the whole (Shri B. R. Bhagat): I be? to lay on question concerns a Member of the Table, under sub-section (4) of Parliament, Sir. For the past 4 or 5 section 19 of the Medic:nal and Toilet «Fays...... (Interruptions). Preparations (Excise Duties) Act, 1955, a copy of Notification No. G S.R. Mr. Speaker: I am not going to 227, dated the 28th February, 1959, accommodate hon. Members. 1 do making certain further amendments to not make any difference between one the Medicinal and Toilet Preparations Member t Secretary] 162 of the Rules of Procedure very serious one A local daily called and Conduct of Business in Stmanta Patrika published the detail the Rajya Sabha, I am direct ed Budget figures for the Union Terri ed to return herewith the tory of Manipur under the Ministry at Indian Income-tax (Amend Home Affairs in its issue of 24-29th ment) Bill, 1959, which was February, 1959 Generally, the^e passed by the Lok Sabha at figures cannot be given out in the its sitting held on the 24th Press before the Budget is actually February, 1959, and transmit presented to the House Hie article ted to the Rajya Sabha for its had actually a heading like this: recommendations and to s‘a’e “Rs 3 50 crores Budget for Manipur that this House has no recom passed for th s year" The same paper mendations to make to the gives details of a Press Conference Lok Sabha in regard to the where the Chief Commissioner of said B ill" Manipur announced these details Further, the paper says that the Bud m a tfn fi of the eonutttee are secret and that disclosure by any person who and confidential and no detail can be was a member thereof is a breach c l given out in the Press without the privilege of this House. As far as I consent of the Central Government or am able to see, there is a breach ef the Home Ministry. It is unfortunate privilege of this House when a Com- that these estimates are publshed mittee is appointed by this House and under the very nose of the Home Min it has to report to this House and when is try. its proceedings or report is made pub lic before a report is made to this It has been held by May, the House. 1 am askng from him whe authority on Parliamentary procedure, ther he says that that committee is a that the publ cation of proceedings of committee of this House by any committees conducted with closed stretch of language or legal phraseo doors or draft repots of committees logy. He says it is not. Then, it to before they have been reported to the said that he has disclosed certain facts House, will constitute a breach of pri which ought to have been disclosed to vilege. So, I humbly submit that the this House in due course in the Budget act of the Chief Commissioner of and that the figures tally. What does Manipur is a clear case of a breach of the hon. Muvster say? parliamentary privilege The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri The priv leges of Parliament are G. B. Pant): Sir, I am really perplex rights which are absolutely neccssaiy ed that a notice of this type should for the due execution of du'ies of its have been raised before you. I am members. They are enjoyed by each utterly at a loss to understand how a House for the protection of its Mem* question of privilege can arise in a bcrs and vindication of its own case of this type. The Chief Commis- authority and dignity. When any of s oner, I believe, has even now no idea its rights and 'mmunities, both of the of the Union Budget or even of its Members individually and of the salient features He never saw the assembly in its collective capacity, Budget and he cannot possibly have which are known by the general name disclosed the Budget. So, the ques of privileges are disregarded or attack- tion of his disclosing the Union Bud ed by any individual or authority, the get is inconceivable (Interruptions). offence is called a breach of privilege I am glad to see that many hon. and is punishable under the law of Members are interested in this matter. Parliament I thought it concerned only Manipur Mr. Speaker: Does he say that this and only the hon. Member from Mani Committee is a Committee of the pur was interested I am happy to House—Standing Committee or Select find that the question is receiving the Committee? attention of the hon. Members and I can count upon their sympathy for Shri L. Aehaw Singh: No, Sir. the progress of Manipur. Mr. Speaker: It consists of two Sir, so far as this particular matter parts: whether any Budget provision is concerned, the Central terri'.ores ought to be disclosed to the public or have not got any legislatures of their elsewhere before the Budget is pre own, and the entire executive sented. That is one part... . authority is vested in t)Sl President. Some Hon. Members: Yes. So an advisory committee has been appointed for each one of the Central Mr. Speaker: I do not want the territory. Matters of policy and mat nodding or assent of any hon. Member. ters relating to legislation and ethers Now, the second part is this. The concerning these territories are placed hon. Member says that there is a com before these consultative committee.! mittee appointed to look into this whxh consist mostly of Membeis of matter and that the proceedings of Parliament and representatives of the that committee are absolutely secret Territorial Council, or the Corporation 5333 Question* MARCH 10, 1M9 o f Pnvltcgf 5334 t(5hr> O. B Pant] in the case of Delhi, and the Admin- jitratar, so that they may be able to to Rs 43*88 lakhs, but according ta oonuder matters of common interest the Budget as it has been presented among themselves It is in the interest thfc figure is Rs » 66 ‘‘ifrtrf-T fid! this House and also of the people difference of about Rs l<7 i*irh«, •f the temtor.es concerned that such instead of Rs 43 88 lakhs, it Is m o arrangement should be made and Rs 26 66 lakhs which is the revised that it should be given an opportunity figure Similarly, about the ejtunates for discussing matters which affect for 1959-60, the figures that were plac only the small areas The Parliament ed before the committee were Rs 52 22 cannot have sufficient time to deal with lakhs but the corresponding figure in them, and the people there must the Budget is Rs 29 58 lakhs Similar, have opportunity of expressing their ly m other matters The Home Min views istry’s figures, for example, as pub lished in Samant Patnka is Rs 59 4’> So whenever theie is any question lakhs but that published in the Budget they are consulted They are also are Rs 54 74 lakhs There are, similar consulted with regard to financial ly other variations too matters Therefore when the propo sals are mature in the Home Ministry But I am not very particulbr about after consulting the various ministi cs that What 1 am subrouting jc that concerned the Administration, their no one has revealed the Budget Territorial Councils, the Corporation figures But before *ny figuies have and the Finance Ministry, these pro been placed in the Budget there u a posals are placed before these com lot of discussion among )!ic Minrliie mittees for their comments and advice between the Finance M*rislrj bet If there is anything that culls for fur ween the Administration Mr. Speaker: Order, order X am Budget figures and also those figures not going to allow a general discus that have been made public by the sion Chief Commissioner in his Press con i.l ference He gave me the statement Start Jagdish Awaathl (Bilhaur): The hon. Minister has already refer W e want to know about the Press red to those figures There have been conference held oy the Chiel Com substantial differences So far as missioner at Manipur tne Home Ministry is concerned, Rs 59 lakhs were sought to be asked Mr. Speaker: Order, order It is for by the Commissioner or that not denied There was a I’rtas con Council, but Rs 54 lakhs alone ween ference I do not find thcie is any given As a matter of fact, so far as case of privilege in this matter (/nlcr- public health is concerned, Rs 9,000 ruptum ) Order, order Up 10 a par was asked for and Rs 10 lakhs have ticular point, hon Members can go on been provided The respective figures making submissions When I bfgm for education are Rs 30 lakhs and to give my ruling merely because of Rs 31 lakhs Thus there nave been ♦hese interruptions, am I going to very little differences After all, it la change what I have already thought open to the Council to give its about it’ It is not rigt.t (Zntei rap- demands The Council’s opinion is tion) Order, order We i»p m t invited The Commissioner and the -hildren sitting here various departments first of all make up their m nd as to what amount Shri Tangamani I want to make ought to be asked for It is for the one submission Home Ministry in this particular case, Mr Speaker No I cannot allow and finally the Finance Ministry to decide taking all these matters rnte »ny further submission 1 have heard the hon Member who tabled the consideration, as to what amount ought to be provided The proposals motion I have heard the objeclnn« discussed in the committee do not from this side themselves constitute the Budget Shri Tangamani Is that vour ruling, Sir’ Now I would only advise for future consideration by the Commis Mr Speaker Yes, that is my ruling sioner, that he need not hold a Press I have not yet given my consent If I conference a few days before the pre do give my consent, then I will bring sentation of the Budget (Interruption) it up before the House It is now at the preliminary stage, wheie it is for Shri Braj Raj Singh He is m close me to make up my mind as to whe contact with the Home Minister and ther there is a case of breach of pri the Prime Minister vilege here or not I do not see that there is any case of privilege involv ed If I say there is a case uf pnvi Mr Speaker* Order order If it lege I will allow all sections of the had been held some 15 or 20 days House to express their views (Inter before, I can understand that because ruption) Order, order This is m that case, the Home Minister may what I propose to do, and I have done take all those things into considera it I am not satisfied that there is any tion But, if only four days in case of privilege here advance of the Budget presentation, he does it, he wants to take the wind Two things have been raised One out of the sails of the hon Finance is that there is a breach of privilege Minister here, and if he presents his because these are Budget figures As own Budget there, it seems to me that soon as the hon Member gave me the gentleman there* the Commis notice of this motion, 1 asked him to sioner, wanted to arrogate to himself give a tabular statement showing the the position of the Finance Minister. 5337 Q u u tk m MARCH 1ft, 19 fi» of P r iv O tf tlfr. Weaker] Except fox this matter of indiscre 1 * * 1 b n . tion, I do not think there is any question of privilege here. It is open AixaoiD Breach or F k ra u n 8 s ; to him and to other members of the Gxnzral Bumbt Committee also to express their views. I t Shri Achaw Singh was a member Mr. 8peaker: Shri & M. Banarje*. of the Council and if he himself had Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): 1 held a Press Conference, there would not have been a breach of privilege. have received a photostat copy of a He, in that case, only makes a sug letter and I have already sent to you gestion, and it is for the Home Minis a copy of that letter. That letter i» ter to accept it Even if the Home from S. Salig Ram & Co., Proprietors: Minister accepts it, it is for the Rai Sahib Roora Ram & Surinder Finance Minister, finally, to acccpt it Kumar; Distributors: The Imperial or reject it Therefore, any proposal Tobacco Company of India, Ltd. The Area Distribution: The Ardath that comes from any department by Tobacco Co., London. They are also itself is not a part of the Budget, and stockists for the products of Tata Oil at any particular stage during the course of negotiations however care Mill Co., Ltd., and are also army and air force contractors. Their letter has lessly any person might have given out some information to the Press, it been issued from Delhi, 14/70, Kutab Road, and ij dated 21st February, 1959. is not a breach of privilege of this The letter says: House. “Messrs Salig Ram & Company, Bangalore. The other question that he raised was that the proceedings of the com Dear Sirs, mittee were secret. If it is intended to be secret, it is right that it is kept so. I have come to know that there But any absence of secrecy, is not a are chances of enhancement breach of privilege of this House. The of excise duty on Players and consultative committee is not a com Gold Flakes. As such, please mittee of this House. I was told the make arrangements to keep other day by Shri Achaw Singh that stocks for 2/3 months.” he was asked to keep quiet and not to disclose it to the public. But the The letter was actually written from S Commissioner himself did so. The Delhi on 20th February, 1959 when the Commissioner, I am sure, hereafter budget had not been presented, and it will not do such things. If he wants was issued on 21st February, 1959, to impose a vow of secrecy on the when the budget was placed before the members, he must also observe that House only on 28th February, 1959. X secrecy, but if he does not do so, let know the firm has cleverly used the him allow all the members also to be word “chances” , but he has also said, free. “I have come to know”,—know from whom? Surely not from any astrolo ger. So, my submission is that not I am sorry I am not able to agree only this thing has happened, but I with the hon. Member that there is have also received information from any question of privilege involved. I Bangalore that this particular com have nothing more to say except to pany which used to buy articles worth add that on such questions a wise Rs. 1,500, from various places, bought practice may be adopted in future hjT the entire material from one source, the Commissioner. ^ namely, Messrs Prem Agencies. To day. the cost of this cigarette, Gold Flake, especially, is 14 annas per $ 3 3 9 $«**«•* PRALCHTNA 1 9 , 19W (SAKA) of Privilege 5340 packet If it is according to the eld The Minister of Fbaanee (Shrf calculation, it should have been Montji Desai): May I say that the 12 annas 4 nP. Today, because of this letter says, "I have come to know hoarding by this particular company that there are chances" that there* throughout the country, it is priced will be an enhanced duty on two at 14 annas at every place So, I feel brands of cigarettes It does not say that this requires an investigation by how much enhancement there will be. the Home Minister If he had come to know of anything particularly he would have stated it; Mr Speaker Is this company also there could be any intelligent antici a monopoly buyer’ pation of many excise duties Mr. Speaker: The letter is a short Shri S. M Banerjee: Yes, through one out the country they have branches, and they have distributors Shri Morarji Desai: It is only of three lines Mr. Speaker: Arc they manufac turers’ Mr. Speaker: Shri Banerjee has in Shri S. M Banerjee No, Sir They terpreted it m one way, and the hon are distributors, or rather, the dis Minister interprets it in another way tributors are the Imperial Tobacco After all, it is only three lines He Company of India Ltd, and the area has not ignored them but he is only distribution is with the Ardath Tobacco trying to interpret C o, of London They arc actually the monopoly distributors of this material Shri Morarji Desai. I do not know if the letter by itself—though it is a This particular letter is clear proof photostat copy—is genuine that they knew that the excise duty was going to be increased after the Shri S. M. Banerjee: I have got it placing of this budget here I feel that while the budget is kept so secret Shri Morarji Desai. I am saying I from us, and we knew it only at about do not know I am not saying that it 6-30 pm on 28th February, 1959 these is not genuine speculators and hoarders knew it or 21st February, 1959 I want that then, Mr Speaker: How did the hon should be a judicial enquiry into the Member get a photostat copy? conduct of these hoarders who are ac Shri S. M Banerjee: This was sent tually anti-national I feel that this is to me under postal certificate There not only a case or a question of privi is a note which also I wiU read lege, but a question of anti-social ac tivity I submit that there is a clear Shrimati Renu Chakravartty (Basir- case of leakage and the hon Speaker hat) Let there be an investigation should give a ruling or allow an in vestigation to be made by the Home Mr Speaker: It is not that merely Minister because there is a photostat copy I must immediately say that they must Shrimati Renpka Bay (Malda) May start an investigation I am entitled I say one thing on this point It was to ask how the hon Member got it a very widespread speculation throughout this country that the pre Shri S. M. Banerjee. From Bangalore sent Finance Minister is going to bring by post some kmd of duty on cigarettcs, and Mr. Speaker: The original of this’ therefore I do not think it was quite confined to any one company to make §hri S. M. Baaerjee: The pnotostat deduction and no inner knowledge copy The original must-ibe there ii> was required their office 5341 Questions MARCH 10, 1959 of Privite* 5343 1 Mr. Speaker: From any authentic Minister So far as this mat**- It person or anonymous source’ concerned, R is not one of ftrfet im pression Sometime ago, in 1956, at Shri S. M Banerjee: It may be from the hon Members may be aware, some any source, if the investigation is cyciostyled or typed copies of the pro made, it may be known visions m the budget or the proposals in the Finance Bill were circulated to various institutions and businessmen Shri Morarji Desai: Even if it is m Bombay The matter was brought Anonymous or even if it is right or up here, when Shri C D Deshmukh wrong, I am not concerned with that was the Finance Minister We went ^question What I am concerned with into that question elaborately, and is whether the letter can be taken as this was my ruling then genuine It does not show anything -It only shows that there are chances of the duty being enhanced Any “In the matter of determination body could say it In the Free Press of the privileges of the House, we they mentioned 20 articles on which are governed by the provisions of there was going to be enhancement, article 105(3) »f our Constitution, out of that four articles came up which state that the powers, privi That cannot be any divulgence of leges and immunities of the Hous» .secrets Then again, he does not say are such as were enjoyed by the by how much it is going to be en House of Commons in the United hanced He mentioned only two Kingdom at the commencement of brands As a matter of fact, it is on our Constitution The precedents all brands that the duty has been en of the United Kingdom should Jhanced He is wrong guide us in determining whether any breach of privilege was in Shri S. M Banerjee. May I submit fact committed in the present case that the hon Minister has taken into So far as I can gather, only two account only one word, “chances’ I cases occurred m which the House knew emphasis would be given to that of Commons took noticc of the word But he has not given his im leakage of the budget proposals pression on this suggestion “As such They are known as ti\e Thomas please make arrrangements to keep rase and the Dalton case In stocks for 2/3 months’ My submis neither of these cases was the sion is, the branches of this particular leakage treated as a breach of concern purchased all stocks from privilege of the House nor were Prem Agencies Bangalore and the cases sent to the Committee of throughout the country it has been Privileges for enquiry The pre •done, the stock has been cornered vailing view m the House of 'With a view to make fabulous profits Commons is that until the finan A s I have already told you, the price cial proposals are placed before o f Gold Flakes today is 14 annas per the House of Commons, they are packet while it should have been only an official secret A reference of 12 annas 4 nP before this excise duty the present leakage to tne Com I say there is a clear case where an mittee of Privileges does not there .investigation should be made fore arise Shri Joachim Alva (Kanaia) It is Though the leakage of budget a very slender and thin mattei for the oroposals may not constitute a House to spend its time upon breach of privilege of tne House, the Parliament has ample power to enquire into the conduct of a Mr. 8peaker: I have heard the hon Minister in suitable proceeding* Member and also the hon Finance in relation to the leakage and the 5343 Questions PHALGUNA 19, 1880 ( SAKA) of Privilege circumstances in which the leak* So far as the other matters are con age occurred. In the two English cerned—the appointment of a com cases aforesaid matters were mittee, ete.—there is no proper resolu brought to the notice of the House tion here as was the case in the House of Commons by a resolution or a of Commons. It is unnecessary for motion for appointment of special me to proceed further. Not a word committees or tribunal to enquire has been alleged that there is any into the matter and report the default on the part of the hon. Minis facts thereon to the House.” ter Various persons get into specu lation. Possibly this may be or may not be a case of speculation. It is Therefore, I examined on a prior not necessary for me to pronounce occasion what cases had arisen in the one way or the other. So far as the House of Commons. We are guided breach of privilege motion is concern by article 105(3) of the Constitution ed, I withhold my consent to raising in all such matters and so long as the matter as there is no breach of there is no law on the subject here privilege we are guided by the practice of the House of Commons It has teen Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: If repeatedly held that there is no there is a clear case of a letter having breach of privilege It is not techni been sent, couched in a clear way cally a brtach of privilege All the without giving the actual figures and same, it is not as if this House or the if that results m a whole monoply House of Commons is not competent making huge profits, should not that to go into such matters When it is come under an enquiry? Naturally, a matter which ought to be kept the Minister being the head of the de secret, Government is bound to keep partment and the person responsible it as a secret The House can ap for presenting the budget, his conduct point a committee or a tribunal to go also will come under enquiry It is into this matter and into the conduct nol necessary for us to put it forward. of the hon. Minister, but nobody has ever alleged a word against the hon. Minister here that he was responsible Mr. Speaker: I would urge on the for this hon Minister to find out how intelli gently a letter may be written. It may be a case of speculation or may Our country also is not so barren of not be. So far as the hon. Minister intellect as not to be capable of is concerned, he himself through his speculating intelligently in advance agencies might try to find out how a the proposals that are likely to be person from here can speculate intelli made. We are in the second Five gently. That is only a suggestion; Year Plan and already every man which he is not bound to accept. must be obsessed with the idea that some kind of tax will be levied on something, particularly because neces So far as the Lady Menftber is con saries will not be taxed, but only cerned, I have already said that it is luxuries will be. So, if a man intelli not a matter of breach of privileges. gently speculates and sends round a So far as any other matter is con circular saying, “Wait for two or three cerned, I have got no motion before months; let us see”, I do not know me. AH that I can say is that it is how this House need appoint a com not such a clear case where it is mittee. So far as this matter is con necessary for this House to go into cerned, there is no resolution before this matter or appoint a ^committee. I me. It does not come under breach leave it at that stage. ' of privilege; it is enough to dispose of this fiction. S34S MARCH Id, t m C a m e Attention t o 534® Matter of Vvyemt PubUe Importance IM S hr*. proceeded to the mine and later in the CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER day the Additional Chief Inspector also visited the mine After discus OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE sion with the Regional Inspector and Fax xn GntmxH Coujarr the manager and other officials, it was decided to seal both the pita. Shri Vajpayee (Balrampur) Under Sealing operations were commenced at Rule 197, I beg to call the attention 6 30 p m and completed at 2 am on of the Minister of Labour and Em the 3rd March, 1959 As a precau ployment to the following matter of tionary measure the workings of the urgent public importance and I re- adjoining Jatkuti mcline and sanabad quest that he may make a statement pit were also stopped Normal work thereon has since been permitted to be resum “A fire m a section of the ed m these workings as an inspection Gindih Collie-y on the 2nd of the workings by the Additional March, 1959, resulting m the Chief Inspector of Mines on the 6th death o f four persons’* March, 1959 revealed that the atmos phere there had not been affected by The Parliamentary Secretary to the the fire m the sealed pit Minister of Labour and Employment and Planning (Shn L N. Mishra). The sealing of the pits has result Government regret to report to the ed in the loss of about 15 ptr cent House a tragedy which occurred on of the total output of the colliery and the 2nd March, 1959 at the Kurhur- has affected the employment of about baree Colliery in the Gindih Sub- 450 persons Oivision of Bihar involving the loss of Shrimati Rena Chakravartty (Basir- 4 lives This Colliery is owned by hat) I want to know after how many the National Coal Development Cor hours after the accident actual rescue poration (Private) Limited and is operations started and also whether under the chargc of a qualified it is a fact that without detecting manager According to the informa the location of the fire, the sealing of tion available, the accident was due the pits was ordered, if so, why’ to an underground fire The Colliery is served by two pits namely, Koli- Shri L N Mishra* The local rescue maran and Bhaludanga At about operations started immediately with 4-30 a m on the 2nd March, 1959 when in an hour, it was detected at 3 30 and the mining sirdar and an electrical rescue operations started at 4 30 fitter were visiting the pumps at the Shrimati Rena Chakravartty. Why Bhaludanga pit on a routine inspec tion, they found the return airway was the location of the fire not detect full of smoke and irrespirable atmos ed’ phere The electrical chargeman who Shn L N Mishra: The location was was alerted of the danger rushed to detected and the pits were sealed the spot with the electrical fitter and his helper, but all the three were over Shri Vajpayee. The tragedy occur whelmed £y the foul air and died red on 2nd March and I gave notice of The pump attendant who was present my motion on the 5th Whenever at the pump house had also met with such tragedies occur and the House » the same fate earlier Rescue opera sitting, it is for the Minister to come tions were earned out by the local to the House and inform the House rescue team which was later assist about it ed by the rescue teams rushed from Jhana Dr. Melkote (Raichur) Is this the complete report that has been obtain Immediately on receipt of informa ed or are any further investigations tion a Regional Inspector of Mines proceeding’ 5*47 Appropriation PHALGUNA It, 1880 (SAKA) General Budget— 5348 (Asttwaya) No. I Bill General Discussion Shri L N. M U n : Investigations are Mr. Speaker: The question is: going on and reports are expected. “That the Bill to authorise pay Mr. Speaker: I have already said ment and appropriation of cer that with respect to the railways and tain further sums from and out air services, whenever there are major of the Consolidated Fund of calamities and casualties, they will be India for the service of the finan reported to the House by the Minis cial year 1958-59 for the purpose ters themselves. That applies to of Railways be taken into con mines also. So, hereafter, whenever sideration ” any casualties occur, they will be re The motion was adopted. ported to the House (or such action as the House may think proper. Hon. Mr Speaker: The question »• Members may pursue it and say let there be further enquiry and so on “That clauses 1 to 3, the Sche dule, the Enacting Formula and Siuteitt la m CbaJuravartty: There the Title stand part ot the Bill ” have been two or three accidents in The motion was adopted between and there is complete silence from that side Clauses 1 to 3, the Schedule, the Enact ng Formula and the Title were Mr. Speaker; The hon Minister will added to the Bill make a statement as quickly as possi Shri Jagjivan Ram: I beg to move: ble with respect to the other accidents elsewhere “That the Bill be passed ” Mr. Speaker: The question is Shrimati Oa Palchoudhuri (Nabad- wip) • There have been two or three “That the Bill be passed” accidents in two months in Hazari- oagh It is up to the Minister to let The motion was adopted us know the reasons for so many accidents in that Government-owned colliery 12-50 hrs. Shri L. N Mishra: Every accident GENERAL BUDGET—GENERAL has its own cause; the causes are not DISCUSSION—contd common for all accidents We are making enquiries and reports are Mr. Speaker: The House will now being laid on the Table of the House take up general discussion of the budget Shri D C Sharma will con tinue his speech He has already taken seven minutes APPROPRIATION (RAILWAYS) Shri D. C. Sharma (Gurdaspur). I No 2 BILL think I have taken only 3 minutes and The Minister of Railways (Shri ’ not 7 minutes , Jagjivan Bam): I beg to move*: The year 1958 was a year of crisis "That the Bill to authorise in the economy of our country. There payment and appropriation of was an unprecedented food crisis, certain further sums from and out S though the statement that our Food of the Consolidated Fund of 1 Minister made in the Rajya Sabha India for the service of the finan- j yesterday makes us think that we «ia\ year 1958-59 tor the purpose may not be in the midst of a crisis of Railways be taken into con like that in future, and that given sideration.” _ - — i normal circumstances we may be •Moved with the recommendation of the President. 5349 General Budget-*- MAECH 10, 1959 General D tieuattm 5350 [Shxi D C. Sharma] able to have better chances in our soon when unemployment will not be food situation. At the same time, a factor to mar the minds of youth of there was the crisis of foreign .ex this country change I am glad that our Finance Minister took a trip to some of the So far as investment goes, I think countries of the West and that it was the Finance Minister has done well. very rewarding So far as expenditure tax goes, weallh-tax goes and other taxes go, But there is one crisis which con I think by doing this thing he has tinues, and that crisis is between our tried to creatc a good climate for country and Pakistan We have all investment Of coursc, I know there been very much alarmed by the in are certain persons who are not m crease m the border incidents bet favour of some of these taxes—wealth ween India and Pakistan and though tax, expenditure tax and all that kind several times we have had agreements of thing—and there are some persons with regard to the cessation of border who do not want taxes on tyres and incidents, all these agreements, I am diesel oil I think all these taxes are sorry to say, have not been fulfilled, justified by the economy of the coun either in letter or m spirit But I try But I would say only one thing. must say that in spite of these crisis So fai as khandsan is concerned, the our economy has shown a great deal Finance Minister could distinguish o^ vitality, resilience and stability and between khandsan as a cottage indus for that I pay my homage to the try and as a small-scale industry. Finance Minister who has laid the Wherever it functions as a cottage foundations of our economy on a very industry there should be no burden sound footing placed upon it 12.52 hrs. Then, while the Plan is in the minds [Shrimati Renu Chakravartty in t h e of all of us, I feel there are certain C h a i r ] factors in oui country which are try ing to destroy the faith of the people As I said yesterday, out budget is in this Plan, which are trying to belit more or less conditioned by our Five tle the goals of this Plan which are Year Plan It is said about the Second trying to create lack of enthusiasm m Five Year Plan that it must provide the minds of the people, so far as this for a larger increase in production, Plan is concerned I cannot refer to in investment and in employment all the factors, but I will refer to three Simultaneously, it must accelerate the ^actors First of all there is the institutional changes to make the eco Federation of Indian Chambers of nomy more progressive in terms no Commerce and Industry and such laps social than of economic needs other bodies I think our Plan stands on two feet—one is our public sector So the goals—if I can use that word (of course, the private sector is also with due deference to my friend— there) and the other is our agricul that we have m view are the goals of tural production, about which we have production tnd I feel that on the evolved a new policy The Federation whole we have done quite well in the of Indian Chambers of Commerce and flfeld of production, though I wish we Industry, to use the words of an hon. should have done letter in the field of Member, has been carrying on a per ^egports. At the same time, I think, sistent, well-studied, scientific cold- "though the incidence of unemployment war against the public sector I can is increasing in the country and it is not understand how our Ministers <0 creating a sense of frustration among and patronize the members of the • section of the people, our Govern Federation, how they go there and ment is takings suitable steps to reduce make such speeches. I think an itb Incidence and so a time will come attempt to convert them is a futile 535r G «**ra l Budget— PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) General Ducustion 5352; attempt 1 think the Ministers’ pre needed, it is m our administrative tence will only lend respectability "to structure I do not have time to give (hem and also venom add to their all the facts and figures that I have charges against the public sector So, with me, but I want to ask one ques I would submit very respect vely that tion, and that question nas been exer our Ministers should take into ac cising the mmd of myhon friend Shrr count the harm that is done to the Feroze Gandhi—somehow he is not public sector by their patronising such present here just now—^nd that is the bodies, which are bodies of vested in question of civil exDenditure terests 13 hrs Acharya Kripalani (Sitamaihi) Then how will you get money foi Coming to the question of civil ex your elections9 penditure compare our civil expendi ture in 1948-49 with our civil ex Shri D. C. Sharma Then there is penditure m 1958-59 You will find the Forum of Fiee Enterprise I that our expenditure has been rising would very respectfully submit that so far as civil expenditure is concern this should be called the Forum of ed Closed Minds, because I think it is a forum of those persons who suffer Mr Chairman The hon Member from some kind of arrested mental should also reach the end of his development, a forum of those person* speech there is very little time who cannot think ahead, a forum of Shri D C Sharma. I would say that those persons whose minds are fixated, and who are averse to every kind of something should be done to supervise change and who do not understand the the civil expenditure We have got difference between co-operative farm the second Pay Commission I would ing and collectivisation I think that submit very respectfully to the Finance the members of this kind of forum Minister that he should appoint « are out to do harm to our Plan, and Commission to go into the administra I hope the Finance Minister will take tive expenditure of our country so that note of that we can see that our expenses on the civil side are commensurate with the performance that we get from them* At the same time, there are certain and also commensurate with the aims political parties m this country who and needs of our country Here is * want to co-operate with us at one case where you find Establishment level, but who withhold their co Inspectors, Employment Inspectors, operation at another level I will Personnel Inspectors, Co-operative* compare that co-operation to a ladder Inspectors, Port Inspectors, Land Ins If a person gives me co-operation only pectors, God knows what Something on the first rung of the ladder and not should be done to reduce the top> on the second or third or fourth rung, heavy expenditure on administration I will not take it because by stand Something should be done to make this- ing with me on the first rung of the administration more in conformity ladder he will prevent my going up with our needs to the second rung, third rung or • fourth rung of the ladder Therefore, I will say that the Finance Minister At the same time, I would submit should take full note of those factor? that so far as tax collection is con which are trying to lessen the faith cerned, we should do something to of our country in our Plan make tax evasion a thing of the past We should also see that arrears do not It is also said in the Plan that we accumulate We should see to all* will have institutional changes I these things Lastly, Sir, would my that if there is any depart • ment where institutional changes ar* Some Him. Members: Madam 5 3 5 3 General Budget— MARCH M§ 10M General Mettnie* 5354 Shri D. C. Sharma: The Chair has fusely and some have blamed him. I jm> sex am here neither to praise him, nor to blame him, but to sympathise with Mr. Chairman: Let the hon. Mem- him lest he may not go the way that jber proceed. other Finance Ministers went. There is another point of view from which Start D. C. Sfcarma: I was submitting 1 sympathise with him, because he respectfully that while wp require has to provide money for an ever- .administrative changes, we also re* expanding expenditure in the civij ■quire changes so tar as the tax struc administration and, shall I say, cri ture is concerned, so tar as the machi minal, I mean military administra- nery for tax collection is concerned. I tion. He has also to provide for 9 -would also submit very respectfully very costly and ambitious Plan. For that there should be a comprehensive these he has to And money. He must ;plan made for youth welfare in this either beg, borrow ___ •country. I know we are doing some thing here and something there. I Some Hon. Members: Or steal. know we are doing it in starts and fits. I would say, in order to mobilise Aeharya Kripalani: I will not use the energy and in order to focus the •energies of our youth on constructive that term. You must remember, all this is not of his doing. It is coming problems, we should evolve a scheme from before. It was there before he -of youth welfare. It is they who are was transplanted from the muggy and to run our country after a few years moist climate of Bombay to the drier I will say that this would be a very regions of Delhi. He has to find fine gesture made by our nation to the money. He has done plenty of bor young men of our country. I wai rowing. The list of countries that he submitting that we should do some- gave on that day was legion. He was ■thing in order that our Plan succeeds, also getting free gifts from other coun -and in order that those persons who tries. What remains then? I would ■call our Prime Minister a master of not use the word that my friends have evasion, those persons who think that used, because when great people and our public sector is not functioning rich people indulge in that vice, it is -properly, those persons who think not called stealing, but it is called that they will give us co-operation in kleptomania. When a Finance Minis •one sector, but create trouble for us ter indulges in it, it is called deficit in other sectors, are proved to be financing and indirect taxation. Let ■wrong. The reply to that can be us, however, see what really consti ■given by the Finance Minister and tutes an anti-social activity. It is 'also by other Ministers who are in when an activity is conducted in such •charge of the destinies of our country a way that it loses sight of its ob Aeharya Kripalani: Madam jective and becomes wrong. For in stance, a merchant he has a right to ^Speaker, . . . earn money. But, when he earns money by blackmarketing and by Mr. Chaftrman: Madam Chairman. speculation, his activities become anti* social. So also an administrator. If Aeharya Kripalani: I thought he supplements his income by doubt* ‘'Speaker’ was a term that can be ap ful means, it is considered as stealing plied to both ladies and gentlemen. Government have a right, of course- as a merchant and administrator, Gov» Mr. Chairman: You cannot do that ernment have a right to impose taxes -in Parliamentary parlance. Government have , also a right to ini dulge in deficit financing. . But, thf Aeharya ifripalani: Madam, some one has to be used for the. good of th* Members have praised the Finance people and the other is to be used for .Minister as the last speaker did pro an expanding economy. If this is not 5355 B w tg * * -* PHALOUNA 19, *880 (SAKA) Otncrsl D ia ku u ion 5356 done, X hold that taxation and deficit the youth festival, and they found such financing become anti-social activities tempting offers ior > their coats and X hope the Finance Umuter will agree overcoats and shoes that they fold with me in this them They sold them at abnormal prices, but when they went to the market to purchase, they could get Deficit financing becomes inflationary absolutely nothing But even m when, it impoverishes the people these countries, may I submit, there What is the meaning of impovershing the people* When the people have to is no unemployment? Here, not only prices have risen, but there is also pay tor their primary needs of life unemployment disproportionately more than their real mcome That this is so is patent to everybody who has to live in this country It is a fact that the production of consumer goods, agriculture and industry, has been on the decline since This deficit financing may also be the beginning of 1957 Last year justified if social amenities are in there has been a big drop Even my creasing Deficit financing becomes a fnend speaking before me, Shri curse when unemployment is increas Sharma, a Congressmen and a very ing instead of diminishing Our eco loyal Congressman—complained that nomy is suffering today from all these there was a big rise in prices m 1958 evils, but we are told that this deficit This is admitted also by the Finance financing is needed for building heavy Minister not only in his speech, but and capital industry, and this cannot m the economic survey that he has be done without a large dose of deficit supplied to us However, instead of financing It is hard to say when the taking steps to cure this inflation, he effects of these schemes will be mani has increased it enormously, more fested m the Ufe of the people There than it was increased m other years seems to be no end We are not dealing The adverse effects of this inflation with one plan but plan after plan, were apparent m our economy as and every plan is costlier than the early as the beginning of 1957 The previous one There seems to be no former Finance Minister, my dear end to it, and m the future also we friend Shri T T Knshnamachan, are told that plans will be coming while presenting his Budget that year, When will we get the fruit of the§e declared Rs 900 crores of deficit plans’ There seems to be no possi financing as the safe limit That was bility m sight also an exaggeration, but he consider ed it as a safe limit, and it is on that account that he made his extravagant Shri Khadllkar (Ahmednagar) tax proposals The Planning Commis Future generations sion in its reappraisal put the limit for the last two years of the Plan at Acharya Kripalani: However, the Rs 283 crores Both these limits have baneful effects o f inflation can only been exceeded The aggregate deficit be removed when there is production financing will greatly exceed the limit of consumer goods and also equitable of Rs 1200 crores that wJs contem distribution of consumer goods We plated for the whole of the five years have seen this phenomenon in the of the Plan, and that also under countries of Eastern Europe where favourable economic conditions big industry has been expanding, where capital industry has been ex* pandmg, and there is no proportion The conditions I am afraid, are ate increase m consumer goods People anything but favourable, and this, I have plenty of money there, but if submit will entail added hardship they go to the shops there is nothing upon the masses of our p&ple and the to purchase Some of our young men salaried middle and lower puddle went to Ri&fcf during what they call class 388 LSD—5. 5 3 5 7 . Gowra! 8*d#«t~ MAJSCH W, 2M» G«n«r«Z ZXscyttion 535$ [Acharya KrijpalaniJ t What our Government experts and crores were lost by mismanagement. economists seem to forget is that we These steel plants are our lnrgnrt were already Buffering from very single item in expenditure on the Kiv* heavy inflation after the war. This Year Plan. Since I spoke last time in inflation was not less than 400 per the House, we have the advantage ol cent, and instead of taking away that the Estimates Committee's report on inflation or diminishing it, we have these plants Let us see what it says. gone on adding to it. Anyway, let us see where, why and The Estimates Committee sa>s there how our calculations have gone was lack of foresight and adequate wrong. Our Plan was scientifically planning—mark the words. It finds it made. It was made by experts or strange that the administration of the at least persons who considered them Rs. 560 crore steel projects should selves experts. Why is it that the have been vested largely with two to- economy is suffering like this? When four officials or erstwhile officials— we ask the Government, so far as the this is what the report says—who food problem is concerned which is have had no previous experience of the most crucial problem today as steel industry, or of any industry for discovered even by the Prime Minister that matter. Then, contracts for civil of India, we are told that the engineering works, and building o f monsoons were bad, the blame is on blast furnaces, which could have been the weather; or, we are told that there given to local contractors employing is an increase in population. I do not local skills were given to foreigners know that after independence people who did the work at much heavier were required not to increase and not cost We had engaged the services of to indulge in that vice. But any plan costly foreign consultants, as they are drawn m a manner which does not called In Rourkela. the site of the take into consideration the fact that location of the plant had to be there will be monsoons and some changed, and this cost us Rs 2} crores times they may fail, that does not take more It is not known why or at into consideration the changing whose instance this was done. Even weather of India, and that does not the Estimates Committee ha<; not been consider the population of India and able to get information irom official its possible growth, is a Plan, I submit sources to enable it to fix responsi not based upon facts, but upon some bility The sources of iron ore, lime imaginary calculations which are stone and water supply have been carried on m the Statistical depart found to be inadequate and unsatis ment of the Government of India. factory The time-schedule has also proved illusory. Finally, the estimate* are nowhere near the originals. The- Apart from the over-ambitious difference cannot be explained on the nature of the Plan.—I do not say it is basis of rise in prices; it is much over-ambitious so far as our needs more. Yet, Rs. 10 crores, I am told, ate concerned, but it is over-ambitious were paid to the foreign expert con so far as our resources in men and sultants. Such are the foreignt materials are concerned—instead of experts that we employ. catting the coat according to our cloth, the expenditure is very greatly inflated by the mistakes that are made The conclusion of the Committee is |& the schemes that are part of the that a thorough probe must be made Wve Year Plan. into the various aspects of the work ing of these three steel plants. For On the laqjt occasion, if you will the future, the Committee opines that (•member, I talked of the three steel the Parliament should be given fuli filants. Then I said that about Rs. 100 information every year regardh* sear 5159 G«m al 8vd*eft- PHALGUHA 19, 1M8 iSAKAy GcmtoI Discussion 5360 n r projects involving high cost the Punjab, and his conclusion is very With the Committee’s report before very illuminating. He says that: M, X hope this House will do some thing about the matter, if it is to be ’In the tralitional Moghul style, vigilant about the expenditure of many officials conferred jagirs on public funds. their friends and relations, in utter disregard of legal or moral Shri Nanshir Bharucha (East Khan- considerations.”. desh): Already Rs. 122 crores more are going to be sunk in the steel What is worse is that periodically, the plants. We are talking uselessly country is shocked to learn of corrup about it now tion at levels higher than that of the administration. Curiously enough, Aeharya Kripalani: Further, it is these scandals are exposed by Con ▼ery disconcerting that from time to gressmen themselves, and I am sorry time, the country is shocked by to say, sometimes, by the members of various reports about mismanagement the Cabinet of public funds. Recently, we had the Dulat Committee’s report on the Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava Bhakra-Nangal project This project (Hissar): That is a redeeming is the show-piece for all the digni feature taries favouring us with their visits. If I mistake not, it is about this Mr. Chairman: Corruption should project that the Prime Minister once always be exposed. said that it must be considered by us as a new temple and a place of Aeharya Kripalani: Yes, it must be pilgrimage. I hope I am right exposed. In most cases, as has been my experience here, and as I have Several Hon. Members: Yes also seen m the press reports from the States, whenever a Minister resigns, Aeharya Kripalani: Hon Members for whatever reason, sooner or later remember it The Dulat Committee he comes out with something or the examined only one section of the other about his colleagues. project . . . Shri Frank Anthony (Nominated— Shri Hem Barua (Gauhati)- Of the Anglo-Indians) He is falling out. temple. Aeharya Kripalani: Yes, they fell out. This is what is happening And Aeharya Kripalani: One canal wing is it any wonder that the country costing only Rs. 0 crores. It has should lose faith in the administration, found that out of this, Rs 50 lakhs whether at the administrative level or were wasted through injudicious even at a higher level? planning and inadequate supervision; and this provided, the report sayB, As I said before, taxes are justified opportunities for dishonesty. If this only if they go to make the economy is what is happening in the Bhakra- of the country and make the life of Nangal project which is periodically the people easier. But hefe what do visited by Ministers and by the Prime we see? The expense on the adminis Minister, what would be happening in tration, only civil administration, other quarters, it is not very difficult which stood at the figure of Rs. 354 to imagine. crores in 1948-49 has risen to the modest figure of Rs. 222 crores, which Here is something again more means an addition of Rs. 187 crores. *taitling than before. And this is This works out at the rate of 600 per Shri C. P, Chaudhury’s report; and cent in one decade. This cannot be « u i C. P. Ghaudhury investigated wondered at, because the staff 1* htto the allotment at evacuee lands in indefinitely increasing; yet there is no 5361 General B u d g et— MARCH ty, 1*6® General DUcuwio* {Acharya Kripalanl] proportionate efficiency. In former increasing and. becoming more lavish. days, under the imperial foreign rule, Huge sums are spent upon prestige there was one Secretary and one Joint buildings. Not only that, but many Secretary to man a department. new capitals are constructed, all in Today, we have Principal Secretaries, the style of imperial Delhi. And Special Secretaries, Additional Secre what is the result? The additional taries, Assistant Secretaries, Joint resources collected even for the Plan Secretaries, Deputy Secretaries and are not utilised for the Plan. I am so on. quoting from the Planning Commis sion itself. It states: “All the tax Some Hon. Members: And Under effort”—they are very polite, they do Secretaries. not say, all the taxes squeezed from the poor people—“all the tax effort Acharya Kripalanl: I do not has, however, not provided resources remember all the names. for the Plan; a large part of it has been absorbed by other demands, In some departments, we have also defence, non-development expendi Secretaries-General. What is missing ture and development expenditure is the Secretary Extraordinary. But outside the plan.” Further the Com I take it that all these secretaries are mission says that “despite further extraordinary because we never knew improvement in the tax receipts by of them before. They came after the Rs 500 crores over the original Plan profuse rains of Independence. Then, targets, the revenue receipts available the numbers of Boards and Com for financing the Centre’s plan outlay mittees are indefinitely increasing. For are expected to show an improvement instance, previously the Railway of only 45 crores". From 500 crores, Board used to consist of three mem only 45 crores have gone to the Plan bers. Now it consists of ten Members. projects This also goes not to the AH these members must have peons, Plan projects; there may be some clerks, steno-typists, private secre grant given to universities, this, that taries, special secretaries and they and the other thing. must have other secretarial staff. They must need building accommodation also. Let us, however, see whether with all this expenditure, the physical targets An Hon. Member: Rs. 4,000 a month of the Plan, have been fulfilled or not. salary also. In the First Five-Year Plan, our target of irrigation and cultivation Acharya Kripalanl: The paraphern was 800 million acres. What was the alia costs more than Rs. 4,000 If they result7 The actual area that could be multiply only the jobs I have no brought under the plough was only Objection. But with jobs, they multiply 4 millions, 50 per cent of the planned everything else. The Railway Board targets. has ten members instead of three that gt previouqjy had. The Revenue Board An Hon. Member: 400 million acres has five members instead of three, or 50 per cent. but do you know the arrears? There •re at least 83,000 income-tax appeals Acharya Kripalanl: Well, you yet pending. These are only appeals. understand that. After all, I am an 4he number of ministerial posts also old man. My memory fails goes on increasing. And then, almost all the States enjoy the luxury of, what is called, an Upper House. But, so far as spending is concerned, e the monetary targets were fully » The Governmental expenditure, fulfilled. In that sense, our Plans fcivil and military, is progressively are fulfilled. In the Second Plan, our 5363 Gm tral Bu&get— FHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) G en era l Discussion 3364 food production target was 15*8 I have little to say about the specific niinion tons. At the «nd of {he third proposals of our Finance Minister. He year we will be achieving only about is not responsible for these. He is 6 million tons though we have already only responsible for finding the spent now Rs. 85 crores out of Rs. 170 money. So, I do not want to critics** crorea. him. It is none of his doing. But, anyway, the tax proposals have bee* In Irrigation, we have achieved only already criticised sufficiently and I 8*81 million acres in place of 12 need not say more. Only I would million acres, while we have spent say one thing, namely, that the Gov Rs. 233 crores out of Rs. 370 crores. ernment which has been advertising Similarly, by the end of the third year that it is very anxious to lostefr pro our power potential will increase by tect and encourage cottage industry, *77 million out of 3*5 million should have taxed khandsari sugar. kilowatts. But we would have spent 243 out of 427 crores. Our planners It may be, as some Congress people have calculated that by the end of have said, the tax proposals this time the Plan period we will produce are very light. But these light tax through the new steel plant two proposals must be studied against the million tons of iron and steel. It is background of heavy imposition from yet to be seen what steel and what year to year going on for the last iron we get at the end of the Plan. twelve years. I warn the Government to beware lest the lapt straw break We know that the public sector the camel’s back. It is not any one contributed ‘ 2 million tons of coal in burden, but the last straw that imy the first year through State collieries. soon be imposed and then it will be It was estimated that in the five years disastrous for the Government the it will be 10 million tons at least country. Then, the amount allotted for Then, it is useless for toe to say shipping is Rs. 45 crores and all of it anything about defence expenditure. has been committed. But against We are told that there is a small cut; 390,000 tons GRT, the achievement has and that, we are told, is nominal. been less than half, 180,000 GR.T. Also, it will be superfluous for me to suggest that any cut be made in thii About ports, road development and military budget because the country others things, the same can be said. i» jn the grip of fear. It is very Hie point is, we spend money accor strange, that we are afraid of a little ding to the Plan but our physioal country like Pakistan. One wonders targets fall very much below the today how our unarmed people fear Plan lessly met the challenge of the British Mr. Chairman: Has the hon. Mem Empire before independence. This fear ber got more to say? Already he has h£s increased because the Prime taken half an hour. Minuter has told us that American asms are being used in the raids. I Acharya Kripalanl: Yea, but I aim very sorry that • what the speak so slowly. Americans gyve wnth one hand, they more than take Kir*r vifth the> other. Jt w , therefore, n » wonder that thejft Mr. Chairman: m may try to fc d^jbelief‘^0 :fw as ttie intentions at conclude in a little >rwhiie. 1 - A&pericp are concerned dir under* dev^lftped countries. I, however, hope Acharya KrijNfaalt** 1 witi try my ttat assurances fp v m * y the best But ,i [Acharya Kripalanl] But mm thing has surprised me. I lees and cruel carnage—in this atMtitl do not know where our Foreign Department lives I read la the papers that they believe that the new treaty Gandhiji always said that nan* will not be used 'if India goes to war violence was most natural to women. with Pakistan' These people do not Zt was in accord with their tradition know how to write even! This is very and ‘with $ i$r special function a* strange Why should India go to war mothers I would appeal through with Pakistan’ Sometimes they (the this House to women’s organisation* foreign office spokesmen) speak m throughout the country to agitata volumes, sometimes they speak m against women joining the military tutras The fact is that India may be forces of the country, even though it obliged to defend herself and there may be for defensive purposes. Art may be war Instead of putting it like we men so devoid of bravery and to that, that aggression may come from poor m spirit and so few in numbers Pakistan and we may be obliged to that we must need the help of our defend ourselves and there may be a womenfolk in the defence of our defensive war, instead of saying this, motherland, and in the process they say that this treaty does not subject them to the cruel, brutal and contain provisions in case India brutalising business of war? After declares war on Pakistan This is a 1 all, we know the life that a soldier strange way of saying things In a leads Need we prescribe that life for diplomatic department, they should our women’ I appeal to the House know that much of language and that this be stopped. If we really meanings of words One wonders how think that Gandhiji was the Father India is going to attack Pakistan, of the Nation, we must do at least India waging war with Pakistan— this little m his memory I know except that Pakistan may wage war some day the Prime Minister, who against India. happens to be absent now, will tell me historical examples of the Rani at While I am on thu> subject, Madam, Jhansi and Chand Bibi to disprove I have to mention a very delicate my point These are not ordinary point, because it is concerned with examples They were * exceptions in woman (laughter) It is not a exceptional tunes But we are not laughing matter I would also make here bound to follow history We an earnest appeal to the Government are the trustees of our nation, we are Let us not, Madam, associate our the trustees of future generations We daughters, sisters and mothers with must take history even as we made cruel business of war It is the it before independence pride and privilege of women to give ■ad preserve life Let them not, Mr. Chairman. The hon Member therefore, be the instrument for taking should try to conclude now •way what they have given in pain, travail and >n abounding love Thi* Acharya Kripalanl: Yes With Uttle at least should be expected out fulfilling the objectives we i r m the land of Gandhiji. Inspired have kept before ourselves, we are lor foreign ideas, we accorded to a imposing on the present generation saintly soul, a man a t God, a man of heavy burdens. We tell them that peQce, a man of truth, a man of love, they must bear these heavy burdens military honours after his death, to for a future they will never see. & 4 tr undying shame Let us not pay is but proper that the living should l w i | i to foreign ideas again by sacrifice for the unborn, hut the saell. dragging o w womenfolk into the flee should not bo so hanvytoftevo* military, specially in this age of sarun- physical Ufa becomas difficult; far 5 *0 7 n * 0 e t - PHALOONA IB, 1880 (5AXA) General D is c u s sio n 53& then we cannot enthuse them and we induced in the people, as before in «*nnot fet their coop en tion or their dependence, not through words but efibrt; rather there will be desponden by deeds of devotion cy and frustration if this happens fcrfwe our plans for the future have ShH Daaappa (Bangalore) Madam materialised, the present generation Chairman, it is not by any means a will rise in revolt and upset tha very easy task to island on my legs apple-cart of our optimistic expecta after listening to the eloquent speech tion of plenty in the future Let us of my revered friend Aeharya Kri not, therefore, press the present palani generation beyond the point of en durance Mr. Chairman: But the hon Mem ber should not think that he will get that 50 minutes Therefore, he We know, and have been often should be circumpect and keep to the told by the Prime Minister, that the tune limit of 15 minutes tasks before us are stupendous and require for their fulfilment utmost unity and honest and co-operative Shri Dasappa. I think that lightens effort at all people and of all paities my burden I am not unaccustomed But this unity and co-operation can to exercise restraint on myself and only be based upon confidence in the I hope I will justify my own claim leadership and in the administration You have only to give the ring and People must believe that those in I will obey you authority have no other objective but their good After all, not only indi I was following the speech of our viduals but even communities live by respected fnend Acharyaji and it is faith Faith is the man and faith is rather difficult to answer everything also the community When Gandhiji he has said, more so because of the appeared on the political scene, the regard I have for him than for first thing that he injected in the the excellence of his speech But, I people was faith—faith in himself, must just take a few points from faith in the leadership and faith in his speech before I go on to those themselves This faith was generated which I have noted down here not through words but by deeds and •examples He referred to the atmosphere in the country and he referred particu larly to the unfortunate position in We are told that there is a ciisis the country of Panditji and other m the country, and it is a political friends talking of various things such and economic crisis But I say as women being dragged into the that there is only one crisis in the military field He himself quoted the country, and that is the crisis of faith, historic past and said that we should and unless we restore that faith, we not take the example of Ram Laluh- will be be able to do nothing mi Bai Jhansi and others Why are our young men so restive* • Why have they lost confidence in If you take the whole history of the themselves? Why are they unruly* country, I cannot for one moment re It i» because they have no faith in concile myself to the position that the future They have become cym- patriotism and sacrifice should Nothing is more poisonous and be the monopoly only at degrading than the lots of faith and men You are sitting in this «*uequent cynicism Unless this high office today and I very much widespread cynicism ia replaced by doubt whether you would ever sub- V**1- confidence and faith, all oar cribe to the view thar Acharyaji •atart* will go in vain. Faith can placed before the House. History ***** »ountain» and this faith can be gives us numerous illustrations of tha Oentrol lIAfcCHUJ, 1 ^ 9 OfM rei Ditwtttfcm SJfO [Shri Dasappa] glorious part played by our woman* The first speaker, Shri Dange, * a s hood in defending the country. referring to certain matters incfaarac- terising the Finance Minister's presen In tact, the representation of SoJctt, tation o f the Budget as lulling us according to us, is not a man but a into a kind of smugness and compla woman. You hail from that part of cency. I am afraid that that could the country where Sakti is worship never be the meaning of the Esti ped. I am rather surprised that mates that are placed before the when' it comes to the question of House. What has the Finance Minis- safeguarding the security of this ter done? On the other hand, ho country there should be any differ has called for greater production, tor ence whatever between man and greater savings, for greater restraint woman. In fact, I must say that on consumption and for greater almost every ideal that we have placed efforts and greater sacrifice. So, it before ourselves is typified by woman. can never be said that there is any It is not only Sakti. If it is learning, complacency for which he is responsi it is Sarasvoati. If it is the question ble. of wealth, it is Lakshmi. I see no reason why we should now go back The other thing that Shri Dange to some period—which period I do said was that the kind of aid we are1 not know—or evolve some new order getting is something like wheat and which is very strange, an order dollars for the stomach and bullets where brothers and sisters should not for the back. I fear that it is a co-operate in defending the country very uncharitable construction put and also in rebuilding the country. On the very massive aid that we are That was a strange thing that I was getting from the West, and partipu- hearing from him. larly from the United States of America. There is hardly any neces I do not want to worry very much sity for us to harp on those points about other points now. and characterise the kind of aid that I will now refer to certain other we are getting at a time when we are points which I wish to place before in so much need, as something in the shape of bullets. the House. We have got to bear in 4 mind two facts. The Finance Minis 14 hrs. ter here has inherited a legacy and it is not fair that we should be com So far as we are concerned, though menting on things for which he is we are getting foreign aid for the himself not responsible. In fact, the purpose of building our economy, we previous speaker himself said that he have also to spend our moneys on may not have been responsible for the military budget and so it is many at the things. Therefore, it is obvious that whether we get it in the not quite his responsibility that there shape of military aid or in the shape have been these items of high ex of economic aid, it comes to more or penditure. less the same thing in the sense that • we have got to depend upon some As toon as the hon. Minister took amount of foreign aid if we have to charge o f his office, he brought to build the econom y at our country. I bear upon it a considerable amount see no reason why we should reject o f security and he never allowed un it. I may just point out that the necessary expansion of services and Government of the State where that increase in expenditure. It is, there Party is in power is not hesitant to fore, no use trying to become histo get aid from the capitalists and if the ric and harp upon various tilings for capitalists can go and rebuild the jWfeich today the Ministry is not very economy of that State which it is torch responsible. new administering, I see no reams m i Qmmaawiftt m A W B ttA n, m UUUU) g**nl Dfewwfcn 53731 why Indie u a whole should not inheritance has been one of non-vio receive tome aid tram men given to lence and we would certainly not the seme philosophy. resort to anything except on the plane of non-violence. Bkrl PIUUHMM (Ambalapuzha)- Does he think that the State which Let me just deal with a few taxa the Communist Party is administering tion proposals Is in a position to get aid from out Mr. Chairman: Very late m the day. side? At the end of fifteen minutes, the ghri Dasappa: It is not that they hon Member is going to deal with have powers to negotiate directly taxation proposals It will take an other ten minutes He must conclude They go out of the State in order to g e t funds from the so-called capita now list p e o p l e Therefore, if we also Shri Dasappa Only with regard to think the whole world as a frater khandsari, I will say this There nity—w e have no complexes—that is seems to be some objection to the a matter which should be welcomed tax on khandsan sugar It is clear rather than objected to that khandsan is escaping all taxes virtually and it is becoming a serious Shrl Punnoose: Am I to under rival to sugar There is no reason stand why it should not also be taxed, if not to the extent of sugar, at least to Mr. Chairman: Let the hon Mem some partial extent There has been ber conclude, he has only five minutes the report of the Karve Committee left The hon Member will have a and they say that khandsan is a chance to answer this point wasteful process and should not be encouraged as only six or seven per Shri Dasappa* I would refer to a cent of the sugar content is recovered few points touched upon by Shri The duty on sugar has been enhanc Masani that the current year’s plan ed to more than Rs 8-4-0 per maund is to 'ipend about Rs 1,092 crores on and the total incidence comes to the capital budget and that in the about Rs 13—3-0 per maund A final year it will be something less paltry sum of Rs 4-2-0 or Rs 4-10-0 That is very obvious because we need on khadsan is not a thing which they huge sums for the steel projects and should complain about Before the it is not necessary to spend that much dutv on sugar was doubled khand amount next year I can see noth san was surviving and when the ing wrong in our spending more this sugar duty is doubled if a portion of year than in the final year of the the incidence falls on khandsari also, Plan period I would refer to the I do not think it would be right to other point which he referred to, the complain about it So far a& the clubbing of wife and minors for ex duty on diesel oils and automobile tyres penditure tax, and he said that it would also lead to income-tax I do is concerned, there are some com plaints that both of them should not not know why he should be afraid of be levied at the same tuye and that this For the purpose of expenditure some margin should have been allow tax the wealth of the wife and the ed I am happy that so far as the wealth of minor children are tyres are concerned the heavier tyres also pooled but he is afraid for traction and so on are not going that we will be thinking of to come within the operation of this doing the same thing with regard to clause income-tax. So tar as his suspicions with regard to land reforms are con Mr. Chairman: The hon Member cerned, I must say that we should started by saying that even if I ■dmire his scholarship and sincerity were to ring the Bell once, he would but certainly not his judgment Our immediately resume his seat J5373 General Budget— MARCH 10, 1960 CMnerat Ptow —ton 3394 flkrf Daaappa: I will, in the Mid, sufficiency that we have achieved on My that the return* so far aa the the agrarian front State undertakings are concerned are •capable of improvement and so there is room for considerable improve* Look at production. There it no ment there. I am grateful for the doubt that more acreage has come time given to me. under cultivation. Something like 14 lakhs acres have been reclaimed and irrigation facilities have been given, Shri Punnoose: Madam Chairman, it is calculated, to more than 40 unlike the previous two speakers, I lakhs acres. But what has hapened do not intend going into an exten- in the realm of food? What has «ive examination of the Budget. The happened in the realm of produc major questions of the Budget: plan, tion? You will see that production resources, taxation, foreign assis is moving at snail’s speed. Let us tance, etc. have been dealt with and refer to certain figures. I would like some of these have been examined by to take the figures given in Economic our leader, Shri S. A. Dange. With S urvey, 1958-59. In 1953-54 rice in the short space of time available production was 27*77 million ton*. to me I will confine myself to the In 1954-55 it was 24*82 million tons. agrarian sector. I have my own In 1955-56 it went up to 27* 12 million reasons for doing that Fifty per tons. In 1956-57 it was 28' 28 million cent of our national income comas tons. In the case of wheat the story from the agricultural sector and some, is not different From 7*89 in thing like seventy per cent of ou» 1958-54 the figure went up to 8*90, people depend upon agriculture in then it came down to 8*62 and again one way or the other. The success in 1956-57 it went up to 9*31. With of the Plan depends upon whether we regard to cereals as a whole, with succeed in this sector and the success regard to foodgrains as a whole, the or failure becomes apparent almost position is almost the same. Immediately in this sector. 1 am sorry to say that in this particular From this you will see that there ia sector our Government has a record clear stagnation in our agrarian of dismal failure. 1 am sure the economy. What are the ^ reasons for Food Minister will contest this state this? The Food Minister was labour ment, but I am basing my argument ing in the other House to disprove .on what they have said in the past this stagnation. He was arguing with all sorts of figures to show that we are producing 4 per cent more. I have It was declared that the objective of my sympathies for the Food Minis the First Plan was to make India ter. Even granting that he is by and self-sufficient in food, and I remem large correct, it is very little conso ber that during the last general lation to me, to us and to the people, elections Congress propagandists because unless we are able to show went about the country, throughout very clear results in this front, all Its length and breadth, saying that we our planning goes phut; all our hopes have achieved self-sufficiency in food. fall down. Some of them were exuberant enough to say that we are even in a position to export But what has Therefore, we must examine why happened? In 1956-58 the import of we have not been able to achieve food was 1*87 million tons and that any appreciable results in agricultu coat ui Rs. 850 crorc*. During the re. Many steps have been taken ia Second Plan period this import will this direction. Irrigation facilities fee to the tune of 18 to 14 million have been given. Large scale credits -tout, and w eV ill have to pay Es. 860 were given to the peasants. Fertili xrorea. This it the type of self sers were distributed. Bat fte JgfS Ociwntf >lld^ WMlGPWA 19 , IBM <£AKA) Gertemt DUcuttto* 5376 «oita h m b*en, u I dwwtd, nOur terment levies. Therefore, the *e*jr dhnppointing. Th# reasons w e authorities must, in the first v « y clear. To me it seems that it instance, encourage the use off irri l i a crisis of agrarian relations. L ook gation facilities by all possible at our experience this year, urnd means___". legislation has been undertaken in certain States and more are contemp Yesterday I heard the Finance Minis lating having such legislations. Ceil ter asking why a reference is made to ing is being talked of now. But the Punjab betterment levies. Thia what exactly is happening in is the relevance, because the Central the country? You will see Government has to take a helpful that large scale eviction is taking attitude in this particular matter place. That is the story from several States. The Special Officer for land reforms from Hyderabad has reported Well, Bhakra Nangal is the pride that in the four years' working of the of our nation. People who have seen law relating to land reforms 67 per it are proud of it, the whole nation cent of protected tenants had lost is proud a t it. But what is happen their lends and this also represented ing? There is the insistence that the 69 per cent of the total land leased. betterment levy should be paid here This story is being repeated in several and now There is the insistence States. If this goes on, there is no that a big amount has now to be paid question of any improvement coming by peasants, by large numbers of about in our situation with regard to peasants who have not got any benefit agriculture. at all. I am told that instead of their getting any improvement in TOen, the benefits that a peasant is agriculture, it has gone the other way. entitled to get for improving produc Such people are now asked to pay the tion are practically denied to him, betterment levy, with the result that rather he is incapable of taking advan there is much discontent There is a tage of them. For example, I am told very large scale agitation and the almost one-third of the irrigation State Government is driven to the potential is not being used to-day. In necessity of putting it down by The Food Problem—An Analysis, the oppressive measures. Federation of Indian Chambers of Well, if we have to go forward m Commerce and Industry have made these things, the Central Government certain observations about the irrga- has to take a national view, the Cen iion facilities They say: tral Government has to take a con “During the past few years, struct ve attitude They should try another fact which has clearly to carry the people with them As emerged is that, unless Govern far as betterment levy is concerned, ment assist the agriculturists on we are not against collecting from a long-term basis, developmental the people a part of their benefits, but projects like irrigation will not be it must be done in a way where fully utilised. Even now the people understand, people appreciate water that is available is not fully the action of Government* This sort of rough-shod way of carrying out made use of either because the necessary preparatory work by measures will only bring our Plan way of constructing distributaries into d scre&t You should never *nd popularising the newer allow the glorious Bhakra Nangal to methods of cultivation called for be soiled by the blood of our people has not been done or because the That will be an eternal shame for us, *ater rates are high or because of and I would request the Central Gov apprehension that such utilisa ernment to intervene in time. tion would only result in addition What is the result at all this, the al liability by way of paying bet* result of this crisis in agrarian rela- 5397 Otneral Budget— MARCH 10, 20M ■ Qcntrol- DiteuMion 539ft [Shri PuimooM] ! * * tions which promise large scale evic were told, "you need not look to tha tion leaving our peasantry groaning centre for spoon-feeding hereafter. under heavy rent, and also the attitude You can make your life easy in the taken by the Government in collect safe area of the South Zone.” Hut- ing back such levies? The result of Central Government calculated that all this is that production has not there is a huge surplus of 9 lakh increased. On the other hand, it is tons in the South Zone and therefore experiencing a stalemate. The result, we could have our purchases. We again, of ell this is there is a soaring were told in clear terms—I do not rise in the prices of food grains and want to quote it—that the South Zone with the rise in the price of foodgrains mainly meant to feed us and see that tiie price of essential commodities also this heavily deficit State of Kerala goes up. So, whatever benefit our was supplied with necessary food. people get out of the development With the inauguration of the South activities during the Plan period, Zone the supply of this 25,000 tons whatever they earn, is washed away per month declined. For three or and it goes down the drain, for, four months thereafter they gave us because of the rising prices they are some rice, and on the whole 46,000* not able to stand. tons of rice were given. Also, some 24.000 tons by way of loan were I say this particularly because I given. In all, it worked up to about come from an area where this thing 70.000 tons. After this supply, ww has hit us, I think, in a more serious had to depend on the South Zone. way than in other States. I was We really liked the formation of the referring to Kerala where the popu zone, because we thought that we lation is 13*6 million according to the could purchase and get our rice from 1951 census, and it can be said that Andhra. In the Central Government now the population there is 15 million. there was discontent and millers pro These 15 million people require at the tested; and the Andhra Government rate of 12 ounces of rice per head per was visibly annoyed. The Central day—I do not think that quantity is Government then had to declare that too much— 15 lakh tons of rice a year. they would commandeer rice under Out of these 15 lakh tons, we produce the Eessential Commodities Act. At 8' 8 lakh tons. From this, if you reduce that time, the Kerala Government the quantity required for seedlings, said, “Anyway you are going there etc., it will be 8 lakh tons. That to purchase and are taking rice under means we want at least 7 to 8 lakh the Essential Commod'ties Act. Either tons of rice a year to give 12 ounces you or the Andhra Government can to every man, woman end child per give us rice. ” These are the two day. This deficit of 7 lakh tons has Governments that could have any to be met from outside. Till the end power there and command authority. of August, 1957, the Government of “Therefore, please purchase our Ind’a had been supplying us at the requirements and buy rice for us, average rate of 25,000 tons a month. because the South Zone was mainly E v e ry moigh they used to give us meant for us. That was your policy 25,000 tons. Then, from the neigh statement which you declared. There bouring State of Madras also and fore, purchase the rice, and we will through private channels from Andhra, pay the price; not only the price but we used to get something like 80,000 the incidental expenses also". But tons per month. This is how we used the Food Minister said "I am not a to make up our deficit. This conti purchasing agent”. What will haopen nued till the South Zone was formed. to the prestige of the Central Gov The South Zone formation was dec ernment if he becomes a purchasing lared with trumpets, that it was a agent? We were told that he was not n r of hofce, and we were told that a a purchasing agent We were asked new star of hope was coming up. We to go and purchase in the market 0 { 9 Geftefpl PHALGUNA 19, XttO (SAK A ) G e n tr a l Dtocussfam 53§o What happened? In the Delta dis the Food Minister, with all ■ respect, tricts, under this Essential Commo "What is this? Is this the purchasing dities Act by which the Central Gov agency or what?" So, it comes to this; ernment w u permitted to comman he will be a purchasing agent for deer rice, it was declared, and we West Bengal but not for Kerala! Ia were told, that we should not buy at that the position? I would like to more than the maximum permitted know the answer. controlled price, because there was a law and nobody was permitted from Again, from the Central Govern that area to purchase beyond the ment, during 1958-59, 32 lakh tons of maximum controlled price. The result rice have been supplied to various was we could not purchase at a price States. Why? It that is to, if the above the maximum price, and there task of feeding West Bengal is the was nobody to give us rice within the duty of the Central Government, if controlled pnce, and the Kerala Gov the duty of feeding Calcutta is the ernment was not able to make any duty of the Central Government, what purchase tor several months. From is going to happen with regard to the December, 1958 to February, 1959, the Kerala State, a State which is heavily Kerale Government, in spite ot its defic t in food9 I do not see any best efforts, could not purchase reason why that facility should be denied to us We only ask you to Then the Government purchased, leave the south zone undisturbed, with the help of the Andhra Govern because you have said that this zone ment, beyond the maximum control was created to feed the Kerala State. led pnce, and we had to pay higher But you have purchased more than prices You will see that we went m 2 lakh tons and exported it from there, lor the vory ordinary type of rice, with the result that we are in a con but, nevertheless, we had to purchase dition which is not very enviable If it at very h gh rates As against the th s is allowed to go on, what will maximum controlled price of Rs 31 happen ’ Kerala State will have to fixed for Kerala, we had to pay purchase rice from elsewhere at high Rs 40, and for other varieties of rice prices, which will mean Rs 5 crores the price fixed was Rs 34, while we everv voar, with the result that all had to pay Rs 41 That way the our development plans will collapse. Kora la Government had to pay much I do not know why recently move more The result was that scarcity ment of paddv from Madras to Kerala conditions came up m Kerala and the has been prohibited That has been fair-pnce shops broke down Our our traditional market Paddy used people had to suffer a lot. to come to Palghat where it used to The question that I pose is this I be milled and distributed If that is do not want to take away the prestige disallowed, it is something against the of the Central Government I do not vital interests of our people. want them to come in as purchasing agents But may I ask the Govern Shri Khimji (Kutch): I am tempt ment one or two questions 7 I am ed to break, as it were, my silence and sure they will take them up and ans speak on the budget proqpsals It is wer them Very recently there was because it has come to me somewhat a deal between the West Bengal Gov forcefully that the critics of the ernment and the Government of budget certainly and even some sup Orissa, for the supply of rice What porters have tended to place empha happened’ The Central Government sis on points which appear to my intervened. They said that they mind to be not very relevant or would purchase from the Orissa Gov material Consequently, some of the ernment and supplv the rice to the comments that have been made on West Bengal Government at a price individual proposals, lose their objec lower than that which was agreed to tivity. and in any case, are not quite between the two Governments. I ask appropriate. 538x flwwl B u d g et— MARCH 10, UM General Jkm m uttm ^ {Shr> Khiaaji] In a planned economy like ours, (be the budget of the Central Government yearly proposals put forward by the is no longer a mere presentation of Finance Minister of the year are the annual balance sheet of the Gov looked upon as forming part and ernment’s finances. It assumes • parcel of our broad programmes of pivotal significance in promoting the development I should not like to go progress of planned development of into details of this general question of the economy as a whole. This enlarg economic development, nor weary, the ed objective of budgetary policy, I House w th too many figures; but, I submit, must be prominently borne in must underline the one fundamental mind m attempt ng to assess its scope, point, t.e. how our plans, however its mam features and the effects of imperfect they may be, are directed the proposals embodied in it. to carry forward the country to new economic frontiers If I may say so, Right from the commencement of our planning partakes the character the second Five Year Plan, the eco of a historical evolution in the way nomy showed evidence of stresses and that people everywhere should long strains. A reappraisal of the resource* for the way of better living standards, position resulted in the decision to individual liberty and justice and the limit the total outlay on development maintenance of such spiritual qualities for the five year period to Rs. 4,500 at our ancient traditions possess crores The outlays in the first three years are estimated at Rs. 2,466 crores, 14.S3 hrs. leaving a balance of Rs 2,034 crores to be incurred in the next two years. The total plan outlay for the Centre [S h r i M o h a m m e d I m a m tn the Choir] and the States for the year 1959-60 will amount to Rs 1,121 crores. The In this connection, I may refer to main problem which confronts the the somewhat curious phenomenon country is one of find ng the resources that characterises the arguments of to maintain the tempo of development the cr tics and even of some support at any rate to the extent of the ers of the budget proposals On the revised targets one hand it is argued almost vehe mently that the State should assume It is relevant in this*connection to newer and greater responsibilities to recall that a five year yield of the improve the lot of the common man. additional taxation measures adopted On the other, when Government in the three years of the second Plan attempt to undertake these responsi period works out to more than Rs 900 bilities, even in a small way to begin crores. Th s not onlv fully meets the with, protests are vo ced. There is Plan target of Rs 450 crores. but also the protest that Government should fills in the uncovered gap of Rs 400 not increase taxation of any kind, crores As pointed out in the Apprai direct or indirect. I for one cannot sal and. Prospects of the Second PIon, faaaginp how Government can get' even so all these tax efforts have not •bout doing things if they do not provided resources for the Plan since raise the i*equis’te resources. Then, a large part of it has been absorbed t h e r e is almost the common objection bv other demands such as non-deve- that Government cannot do anything lopmental expenditure or develop well and therefore should not take up mental expenditure outside the Plan. anything upon itself. All these pro tests are in the context of the insis There was, therefore, naturally tent plea that Government should do room for the public grievance that the something more. burdens that the tax-payers had been called upon to bear have not result*# A t X have'said, in the context of in the effective utilisation of the pro planned development of the country, ceeds. The lint step, therefore m 53*3 O tH tr l Jwlpt * ~ F8 ALGUMA 19, 1*60 (SAKA) G *rural DUeiution 53I 4 whicfi attention had to be concentrat fulfilled to the desired extent and I ed was m regard to remedial measures believe various steps should be neces in ensuring a strict check on non- sary to intensify the drive for savings developmental expenditure. It u a in the coming year natter for satisfaction that this aspect has receved prominent attention in the hands of the Finance Minister and The problem of resources, as I said he has given an assurance that strict before, assumes a great significance un vigilance is being exercised in regard a developing economy and as such all to non-developmental expenditure possible efforts have to be made to mobilise the resources through taxa A broad review of the economic tion, economy m administrative situation in 1958-S9 emphasises the expenditure as also through loans and need for mobilisation of resources savings The Finance Minister has both internal and external I for one done well m not leaving the gap for would like to share the optimum the coming year wholly uncovered expressed by the Finance Minister that The Government have rightly recog we have passed through the most nized the fact that with an integrated difficult phase At the same time, taxation structure it has been possible economic trends will have to be care to mobilise additional resources by fully watched and m my opinion, the way of taxation m an impressive first and foremost concern should be manner He has also recognised the how to concentrate the nation’s efforts need for deepening and broadening on increasing agricultural production the base of tax structure by resorting since that constitutes the kmg-pin of to indirect taxation which is expected our economy to bring nearly Rs 20 crores out of a total amount of Rs 23 35 crores A word about deficit financing Fortunately, Government know the I will now, Sir, briefly refer to the limits of deficit financing and the con taxation proposals In the sphere of sequences of ‘over-stepping’ It will direct taxation I welcome the removal be su cidal, to say the least, to do of wealth tax on companies and excess anything that will weaken the value dividend tax These are steps in the of the rupee The rupee’s value must nght direction and will certainly go be maintained Such maintenance is a great way in creating the necessary not merely for prestige purposes It climate for develop ng and expansion can easily become a matter of life and in the private sector The Finance death If the rupee depreciates and Minister has also emphasised the need prices shoot up, a position may deve for improving the administrative lop. as it had developed m other machinery and simplifying the exist countries as you know, when several ing procedures and plugging the loop distortions both of economic and social holes I have no doubt that by proper character ensue It is a matter of steps in the right direction, we should satisfaction that the Finance Minister be able to augment the revenues and has already shown his concern over also have a wider coverage I also this aspect and I hope that every welcome the increase m 4he indivi effort will be made to see that deficit dual wealth tax and the removal of financing is kept within the limits of certain exemptions from the expen manageable proportion diture tax As against this, the Government had a successful performance in the However an important change in the sphere of public borrowing and actual matter of duvet taxation has been in loan receipts amounted to Rs 202 respect of the introduction of a new I crores as against the assumed loan of system of taxation of cqpipany pro 118 148 crores. Tfee expectations fits. While I welcome the attempt to «nder small aavings have not been introduce a measure of simplicity l » 3J$ [Shri Khimji] place of the existing system, which Of Government, namely, to aeeelerate .is 'characterised by multiplicity of *he development of road transport in .levies on corporate undertakings, X *he country. should like to urge upon the Finance .Minister to carefully examine the im plications of the change and the im- With these observations, I should j>act of the same on the quantum of Uke to state that the stresses and -taxation payable by the shareholders, strains in the economy are likely to particularly the smaller ones. It will Continue in the context of our grow- .also have to be seen that the effect *hg development requirements. But •of new proposals ensure that the ag ^re cannot slacken the tempo of deve lopment, nor can we view the situa gregate quantum of taxation both in tion with any complacency. We will the hands of the company and in the hands of the shareholders on the *lave to make a determined effort to *harch forward in the direction of the same income is not more than what it ftreat task that we have undertaken is at present. I would also plead that instilling a new consciousness in the .proposal be examined from the -^5? pe&pte sad evoking eo&atjmm i/t point of view whether there will be Vtem, so that we are able to fight the An element of double taxation of the challenge of poverty which faces the .same income at two different stages. fbuntry and raise the standard of liv- If that is so, it would naturally be **ig of the teeming millions of our fair. I suggest that in respect of cSuntry. profits which have already been sub jected to tax at a higher rate in the hands of the company, the benefit of Shri P. B. Patel (Mehsana): I have the refund to the shareholders should r^ad the speech of the hon. Finance •continue. Minister not once but twice. I read ** again only to see whether a kind ^ord, a sympathetic word, has come In respect of indirect taxation, I *tam the Finance Minister to the agri- generally welcome the attempt to c\ilturists of the country. I do not find broaden the base of tax structure so & single word. On the contrary, {I as to spread the burden on as large a fund m his speech one thing. He section of the community as possible. Wanted only the golden eggs and did A t the same time, I should like to not think of feeding the hen. He point out that some of the increases, ^lked of more production, less pro covering as they do items of industrial duction and so on but he did not talk raw materials and articles of daily about the conditions of the agricultu- .consumption like vegetable products, rlst and did not show or indicate any will inevitably have some impact on *rays or means to improve their con price trends. Perhaps in the context of dition. On the contrary, I find from the very limited scope for increase in his speech that he wanted to tax the direct taxation such increase in in agriculturist a little bit more by in direct taxation was unavoidable for creasing the excise duty on diesel oil. covering a part at least of the pros * think that is not the way of improv- pective revenue deficit. I would parti **ig the conditions of the agriculturist cularly like to draw the attention to °r encouraging more production. the increase in excise duty on diesel oil as also the increase in duty on Some days back I read a motor tyres, which are likely to bear Pamphlet regarding agriculture in the heavily on road transport, and which United Kingdom. There I found that may have adverse effects on the deve *be British Government has a plan to lopment of*such transport. It may ehcourage production, and the plan is also be considered whether the pame help every farm, say, .within 8-5 would be in keeping with the' policy Tears, up to about '£700 just for the 5387 General Budfftt— PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) G en era l Discussion 5388 improvement of agriculture so that whether that is given, whe production may increase. In our coun ther anything of that type try, which is an agricultural country, is given in this budget There to more attention is paid to factories, type is given m this budget There is mines, business, industry and civil nothing absolutely What requires to service than to the agriculturists of be done is not done Something else the country Furthermore, one new is done thing is there Those persons who know nothing of agriculture, those There are modern achievements persons who have nothing to do with here and there The most important agriculture or fanners, they are talk thing, the most valuable thing is ing at co-operative fanning Well, I democracy and democratic principles feel that is a conspiracy against the We are wedded to democracy The farmer community to keep them Preamble to our Constitution says that downtrodden for all times, one way or ours is a democratic Republic The the other In the old days, in the words of the Constitution give demo name of religion, in the name of so cracy If we judge from that, I have many other things, exploitation was read the Chinese Constitution, I have done by the exploiter class of the read the Russian Constitution, they agricultural community Today also are more democratic in words than the same process is there, but now the our Constitution What is required is new process is m the name of co spirit of democracy underlying the operative farming It is the concern Constitution If that is not observed, of the agriculturists If they find I think we cannot keep our democracy that by co-operative farming the> healthy Today I feel that our demo gam more, they will ask for it It cracy is m danger Undemocratic acts cannot be imposed from the top It are done under the cover of demo was only Hitler or Mussolini who cracy I will just narrate one thing imposed things from above A pamphlet has been circulated by this office and that is Development of An Hon Member Stalin Agricultural Marketing There I find, regulated market worked on democra Shri P. &. Patel: Stalm too In tic principles Everywhere we use democracy matters should come from the word democracy and democratic below Let the agriculturists think principles But, in practice, we do it among themselves and if they find otherwise In my constituency a that co-operative farming is good for market is set up Those persons who them, they will adopt it Why this were defeated in the last general imposition and raising of so much election, those persons who were de difficulty’ It seems m our country feated in the general election of 1951, there is a purohit class, a preceptor those persons who were defeated in class who know one thing and that the Local board elections, they have of preaching, knowing nothing about been nominated in this Market com the conditions of those to whom the mittee All those persons who were preaching is done My submission is, elected with the support of the people let the farmers decide the matter and were let off Those who supported the those persons who are not farmers other side who were defeated, have may not indulge themselves in it or been included and the Chairman is may not trouble themselves in the a nominated one I ask where is matter democracy If in practice at the vil lage level, at the district level, we do So far as better production and not follow democratic methods, how better farming are concerned, what is are we going to survive democracy* needed’ Co-operative farming, whe Will democracy survive because of ther it is good or bad, leave it aside Parliament and legislature I say, no What is required fe incentive price, It has its roots in the villages. At the support of price The question is village level, at the district level, i t 386 LSD —8 53*9 General Budget- MARCH 10/ >•» General Ditemtion 5390 [Shri P. R. Patel] we have democracy in working, then Shri P. * . Pate!: He waa successful our democracy would be strong, and by 1000 votes more. At least I am healthy. I would submit that this ex talking of democracy. If we want periment in marketing is done to democracy in this country,.... benefit the agriculturists. Those per Shri Morarji Desal: May I know if sons who do business, who do not do agriculture, are put on this board, in the Development Boards are the crea tion of the Central Government? this nomination list. Those persons who are despised by the people, who Shri P. R. Patel: Yes, Sir, I tell you. are not supported by the people, are ut in tiie committee. Bow are you Mr. Chairman: The State Develop going to get co-operation? Our Prime ment Boards are the creation of the Minister often says that people must State Governments come forward and give co-operation in nation-building work. Does he want Shri P. R. Patel: I submit, we are co-operation? I think he wants sub- giving development funds to the State oscdibu&avi. to Iba 0 »ug:es& . anh f ne Tis'iaie vftiuses inis Trunci fnrougn Nothing else. In this country, if sub the Development boards. It is the ordination goes on like this, I think,— concern of this House when we give Shri M. R Masani may say that there the money. will be civil war and bloodshed, he may be afraid to say that—I say Mr. Chairman: Please proceed. there will be bloodshed, there will be civil war in this country if one party Shri P. R. Patel: I put a question tries to subordinate the rest of the some days back in this House whether people this Government is aware that money ts spent only through the Congress The Congress got less than 50 per group and out of this money, salaries, cent of the votes If co-operation is honoraria are paid to the Vice-Pre required, co-operation could be got at sidents and Secretaries who are with an equal level and not in a superior out exception Congress people. The or subordinate level. In my district government replied that the Govern there are Development boards ment has no information. I fail to understand how this Government, The Depaty-Minlster of Pood and giving money, lakhs and crores of Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): fupees, would come forward and say How much percentage of votes did (hat this Government has no informa the hon Member’s party get? tion. If a businessman is running a *hop, if his money is running that Shri P E. Patel: My party got ^hop, could the manager say, I have much more in my district. I am tel (to information where the money goes, ling you at the district level. Not a jiow the money is spent? My suo- •ingle candidate was successful on jtussion is, in these Development their side e boards, whatever nomination is done, it is done from the Congress people , The Minister of Finance (Shn Morarji Desai): One was f o r instance, the secretaries; they are nominated invariably from the office Shri P K. Patel: Not one. Bearers of the District Congress Com- lOittee. The money is spent through Shri Morarji Desai: One was. them for the development of the vil lages. People have to go to them and Shri P. R. Patel: That one was seek their pleasure. Is it the way of #v**n over to Banaskantha. getting co-operation, I ask? la it democratic to constitute these deve Shri Morarji Deaai: After that. lopment boards this way? 5^ i l General B udget— PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) General Dtscusnon 5392 The hon. Minister n ld that certain Shri P. R. Patel: It is for Dr. Aney things are to be done through the to speak. He is sitting there. Don’t States. There is one article that 1 worry Pleading his case. would like to bring to his notice, that is article 359 which says that it is the Shri MersrJJ Demi: No question of duly of the Central Government to pleading. ensure that the Government of every State is carried on in accordance with Mr. Chairman: Dr Aney does not the principles of the Constitution contradict it What are the provisions of the Consti tution? b it not that the spirit of our Shri P. R. Patel: So, my submission Constitution is democratic? If we say is this, that the people of Gujarat are that ours is a democratic Constitu not happy, the people of Maharashtra tion, at the district level, at the vil are not happy, the people of Vidarbha lage level, whatever bodies are creat are not happy, and the people of ed, they should be democratic and it Bombay also are not happy will be the duty of this Government to see that the spirit of democracy is Shri Morarji Desai Some people carried out in all bodies that are created by the States and others Shri P R Patel: Well, some, more, less. After all, the feelings are there And if the Congress is not financed In the end I would like to say a so much, it would not be m power; I word, and I would not take more think in the last election they would time not have been able to get the result that they got Some days back in the Bombay Assembly Howevei, 1 submit one thing, and that too to the hon Finance Minister 15 hr*. because he is responsible for all these 1 things, that he should consider the matter and see that the feelings of Mr Chairman: The Bombay As the people are respected. It is sembly will take care of itself I .10 good keeping the fire burning Well, think you must some day put an end to this fire, and I request him just to consider Shri F. R. Patel: In the Bombay the matter and do something in the Assembly. Shri Bnjlal Biyani spoke matter. out expressing the sentiments of Vidarbha and he asked for the crea Mr. Chairman: Shri Prabhu Narayan tion of four States out of Bombay Singh He is not here’ State He expressed the feelings of the people of Vidarbha Here also, Shri P. N Singh (Chandauh). 1 am some days back, the hon Member, sorry I was a little confused as to Dr. Aney, gave vent to the feelings whether you had called m f name or of the people of Vidarbha, guardedly if it was some Member from that side no doubt, but he also said, it appears from his speech, that the people of Vidarbha would be happy to have a W J fa aft. ntsrcta fart separate Vidarbha After all. the feel- 3ft !T 3ft >ngg are there v Hsrar i? ^ sfFj'T f^wr Shri Morarjl Desal: May I say this fas# arot «rtr is not a proper representation of OS $ I to 3RT % Dr. Aney. What he said was that if fwrar sit* w Bombay was broken up, then Vidarbha should be established. wr fa r srtf «r»- 3% 5393 Otiwfal Budget— XABCH ^ 1959 Ooural JDtemMion 5394 [«?T STo jfr® ftlf] iww t fv osiiSwisiftOTw frv- SRft # WW f* qf f^fT £ % warc w W ^T TV J?RT w w w n v w $ ^ *Tffqftfa*T gqw ffc $TT «?•« vit IT wrnr t*tarsr«i# ftwr arm $ 1 w ^ ^ qr WFTT #P|RT VftV ?oo V^T \ft< iw w sqr ftrW t *f»t 'tk ^ fv * r r mr fr t irrftrc n vr irm ^prtt ^ tflr «rt v f t i m v vfcft farsr atrft v r v *ft mft ffv fawqi £w ^mrr?T ^ ft|, w vift’fttpTV^vrfoTnr 1 S^^rr«nrai|PF t< «fte *nrj[T tpr *tfprr * * # * 1 % «rr t^t | g»r v t ^wt>r art>prr S ■r« wrthr *r ft* **? * fa* «rfc [ «fr *o *To fa * ] ftwrr *prr ^rptt «fft ^ fcrr w j t ft? f*rrd «gNw *wr$ i $«iT7%SFCT*FrftafcrftV w^-«wf«n ^ «n ^ % f r m * arpRT xTjprr fa *?r atom w r *^r # ^r.w.T* * $ t ? f $, fam * r p #vrftart * H i * vr ?w «rt% r ftTte ^ ?it f*r ^ 5fr «n ro far& |, s*r * ?ttr ^ jprr t ^ ^ •prpt «WTT IT $RT *m «Pt ^ Sw e tv t pn & i $ v%ffT ^ y | ifa?Rfta T^vffv jfarcT#>fr M l^l J SKPTH ^ 5jtft ^ *rsft | i ^ ^ ^ ^ % Vt fiMT ir xfrr jct flw *r & *TH5rr«i faff *rrt w »f f-TTmrr^Trcr^pft 1 m m 'ft& aibiftxivm *rfrft?rw> g: RT tfR H K T^W *PTT 3tT ^HRntr 39 tT H **»r to consider this aspect of the ques tion. « f w r ^ r ^ n % 1 Till India’s industrialisation reaches I * *i®fftr h w 4 f*r t o jfWtror a mature point, both the private and the public sectors should go hand «rt «ffr *rar v * w rorft achieved a few targets specially The Third Plan, a*> I said, should m the industrial field The three concentrate more on agricultural it cel plants are monuments of success development So there should be an in our endeavour for industrial deve intensive drive through service co lopment I do hope that we will make operatives with the help of gram the fullest utilisation of these plants panchayats, development blocks and •>0 that the expenditure on foreign other organisations When 1 speak of exchange will be justified co-operatives, they should, in the first place, only concern themselves with the pooling of manpower and imple 1 am glad there is a trend to en ments Consolidation of holdings and tourage industry Taxation is not pooling of land should be only per *n end m itself, but production is the suasive and permissive, it should not main aim of our plans The aboli tion of the wealth tax and the excess be under compulsion or coercion To instil confidence and a sense of dividend tax is most welcome, because security, we cannot us>e coercion or we must industrialist; our country compulsion Infringing on proprietary According to the revised procedure, rights of small landholders will also dividends shall be declared after cause frustration, mental Revolt and deduction of income-tax and super desperate despondency So when we tax These dhidmds will again be study the psychology of the man of taxed m the hands 01 the share the soil, we have to understand his holders which will mean double point of view as well taxation Now the very purpose for which the wealth tax and excess dividend tax are abolished is defeated There is a system in Assam where rf thi tax on dividends is not aboli co-operative farming is done. Tha shed So 1 request the hon. Minister village groups itself and ^iey do the 54 [Shrimati Manjula Devi) joint fanning without intriaging on growing necessity, ;this unavoidable the proprietary rights of the land necessity, of meeting foreign exchange holders. They pool their implements difficulties. After studying various and manpower. On the day on which aspects of this matter, I have come the joint Arming is done, the parti to the conclusion that the quickest cular member has to feed the entire investment on quickest response group. So it actually becomes eco would be on shipping, because the nomically feasible, and it also helps moment a ship is put to sea, she will the co-operative spirit. Our approach start earning foreign exchange. to co-operation should be on that line. Our concentration should be more on the productive aspect than Now, the present position is this. I on the distributive side. Production am not talking about shipping but is the most important factor in our about foreign exchange difficulties plans and we must concentrate on and so I have to elaborate on this that. point. Fifty per cent of the incoming antf outgoing cargo o f Indian trade ft shared by the foreign shipping as I do admit that there should be well. If this is to be assigned to social and economic revolutions. But national shipping, then, we can easily the practical side and the idealistic earn the required foreign exchange. approach should be balanced. The practical sympathetic approach should be there, instead of the emotional, For instance, in U.S. and Egypt, 50 impatient idealism. Rational outlook per cent of 'V national trade is and understanding of human psycho reserved exclusively for U.S. ship logy must be there to dispel fear ping and in Egypt, the ships carrying the Egyptian flag do carry most of As regards land ceilings, I do admit the trade excluding foreign shipping. that we must have ceilings. But If such reservations are made for our these should be so framed that national shipping also, I am sure the mechanised cultivation with modem present foreign exchange difficulties method for increased production would be lessened. should be economically feasible. If we take statistics of U.S.A. we find The tramp vessels carrying goods that unless economically feasible, to India having one way demands, mechanised farming is not possible. accept low rates of freights to cut Individual initiative should not be the losses on the return journey with curbed by indifferent official arrogan empty bottoms. Because they take ce and ineffective obscurity as exis such low rates the rates of Indian tent in the present development shipping seem to be a little high. But blocks. When co-operatives are form gain in reduction of freight on ed, the officials should not function as foreign vessels is heavily lost in If they are a separate entity by them foreign exchange. Indian shipping, selves; they should act in a spirit of though 10 to 15 per cent higher than service to *the common man. I hope foreign shipping freight brings gain that in the development blocks the to India in the form of foreign ex fame spirit would be available change. So, 50 per cent of the national trading emanating and termi I have been thinking for a consi nating in India should be reserved derable time about the growing for Indian shipping only. Foreign necessity of India’s development. At loans that are coming to India in every step, we are confronted with clude freight charges in foreign foreign exchange difficulties. I have currency. If India offers to separate yacked my i»rain thinking hard to the freight charges and to carry And out how we could meet this cargo by Indian vessels, the freight 4G3 0cM*wl fitidpet— PHALGtJNA 18, 1880 iSAKA) General Disctutton 5404 sharges would he in rupee account that she is an offspring of India. As md would u v « a big margin of such, India has the welfare of the foreign exchange which we need people of Pakistan at heart Tbmt is ?ery badly. why India is putting up with fha childish pranks of this young nation The State Trading Corporation in with forbearance I do not under iheir selling and baying policy with stand what reason is there for U.S foreign countries should see that goods to enter into bilateral Defence pact ire sold on cif basis and purchased with Pakistan m fo b basis, eliminating our expenses and responsibilities for loading and Mr. Chairman: I am sorry the hon. nMnaritng That will save us a lot Member has to conclude at expenses Shrimati Manjnla Devi: I will come We can do this reservation of 80 to the end, Sir Long-term aid to per cent of the shipping by amending India by Western Powers is as much the export and import licences or a necessity to U S for self-preserva through legislation Thus, we can tion and defence agamst aggression. save the much-needed foreign ex U S should think twice before enter change Foreign exchange being the ing into military pacts Military pacts keynote of our Plan, Indian shipping are suicidal, setting up one nation should be included, I think, m the against another is self-annihilation hard core of the Third Five Year It is foolish to provide a spark for Plan for easing the foreign exchange world destruction But India stands difficulties. Ten crores of Indian Arm on the moral strength of non shipping earnings if mvested in ship violence, unflinching, fnendly to all, ping alone, adding to its tonnage, but yielding to none will earn more and more foreign ex change sflT O m m r - 'Tftr A «TRT * n w faw With regard to social welfare I am not going into the details because % ufarr % the time 1$ limited I think that the 5jF w t t jf 1 dTi'i'i nvft *15 coordination of all social welfare under one department is essential w^TT *p h t f r o m srcra: fip jT t? Effective drive for 30cial welfare by f t ananp v f c n w % tftr non-Govemment agency with Gov arrflraj* y fhrat % 3^ ernment cooperation should take place. There should also be com m shtot sta t vftx aft yfonym pulsory education up to the lower ipnt 3* s * vr primary standard Unless this is ijwnrr vrfr ft? # f done, raising of the standard of the 5 1 Indian population cannot be achieved 353f t t o £ f r f^ 5R!K srttt ^ ?*n»r i f r I am glad that there is reduction m Defence US should not go on qfr>5m % fo r f a n t^tt 1 having one military pact after the if £ fa other with countries which have ad ffffWI'M ^RrTT W verse repercussions on the Indian Budget Reduction in Defence is in *PFT % % tfHTfm BjfS indication in itself of India’s good in tentions of peaceful co-existence and friendly approach Pakistan need not art «rrar*!forr fan entertain any fears of Indian agres sion when India adheres strictly to the *rwr< # ^ jfarcwrr *wfT^d principle of non-violence I think Pakistan would do well to remember 35lf «fr J^RT 54®5General B udget— MARCH 10, M6t G f n e r a l D itc u n k to [tfr*frmwr ror] Rftffw f t 4 t, ! m «^t fffTOIT * 1 $ | «t «!?% fUTft |pw v ttw fa ror *rr fror «rr 3rt fftn# f # 51ft ^WV, |Nfr fa faffa aftTOT ycr aw «Nt fiwiT «t fft«r » f r o faff t o t t fr f o r »ft m m n m fa vftff vr aft «faw r ftnrr fWt, to fircr vt ?r «n# ott vfe- w r n * r % ^ ?rt t o ^ ^ % jjt ?mpit v s t *7% *jf*rr fr^rr ^rr, in ft ff>flf *r to^t faffwi ^t an# * *r ?t mw* trr* $Fi i *^t*rr»T$fa ^ ^t *f^t *fw ^ft Tm vt f*ffra^% *r*f^faiT»pftTO?ff farr faff % fffawr # ^rarflr ?t ^r«Rft |, ffTO S TO «Ttr *T STRTPfr * t TOT* fafftr^rvTfffasi ^aanrarit « w t| 1 t o ^ t o jfRr $ ?ft t o vT-$Fm^r m ifffa g iff wnr % fa $ w ?rt ^ % f«rrft tfrrfw rr «r^ft |, far ifr *53 & «m *r ffsw fa^>r p f f N f f f V T f f f f * r V > r * t I fro$ t*fff*r * t t s n f r o t a fa*rr |, far mt^ # suiter $faro ^ ffmqfff ff^tiv, %ff* wit # fasvrr fr vftr in rt*. 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V W R R R [«f» f w ] * ...... *» tv A__ ^ _ •% f w w wtTcirc, s w w lssidUd, Swat sttt % fir# v m W f *rtr flne t w w f^wif^e, w r w m*r ^W T«ftiihwrarftgy>ltfiM t^ if(p;i fifwe* $ ’qg ^ fw *3 IFF im f^pTT ^ tt p i ^ f W t art w rit 1 1 *13 wm t V fW 'TT'TOta^jpTJITMTpT artw q«ansr | %ftsr aro ait'T W *KftW ^ *fTHT ^ ft: WWIT f V wwWMt d t f f # srhmrmfa v r n r 1 flrta fr m ait % nm ffeftw T n # T # R T % «r» [Shri P. K. Deo] parts of the world and mould public to remark that they are not con opinion in our favour. If Oat is don* scious at the fact that saving in the we need not have to spend so much Government expenditure also goes for defence purposes. Secondly, every towards adding our resources. Des body in the world should be anxious pite the official profession we find to preserve this biggest democracy that no serious attempt has been of the world which is going made with determination to curtail on in this country. I feel that what the various items of expenditure, ever misunderstanding exists now where there is ample scope. There could easily be removed by our Prim* will be no two opinions that if we go Minister and our Vice President U on scrutinising the various items of they have closer contacts with foreign expenditure of the Government there powers is sufficient scope for saving Coming to the defence part of our Regarding civil expenditure, it is expenditure, defence takes up a huge ‘co *unft>tnh. *o> t n m dice of revenue—that is, Rs. 242.68 in the coming year—that is, an in crores. Even though it is estimated crease of Rs. 75.32 crores The ex that m the coming year it would be penditure on administrative services less by about Rs 2419 crores than has shown an estimated rise of Rs. 2.5 in the current year I cannot under crores, on developmental and social stand what use we can have with the services Rs 23 crores, Rs 17 crores cruisers. Of. course we have to buy on community projects and Rs. 5.50 Canberra bombers to face the arma crores on the welfare of Scheduled ments supplied to Pakistan Ly the Tribes and other Backward Classes. western countries. Sometime back Considering the colossal expenditure at a very high price we purchased m the community projects, we find the aircraft carrier. It has to ba re that the result has been most insignifi conditioned and in 1961 the aircraft cant This has been admitted by our carrier would be in commission. By Prime Minister sometime back The then I think it would be out of date large irrigation projc&s do not have bee nise war technique has been the desired effect on the production clinging from year to year In this side, rather it created problems due armament race, we are not racing to submersion of large areas and with Pakistan; as a matter of fact, rehabilitation of those displaced per we are racing with the United States sons. In spite of these large irriga at America, because by the latest tion schemes, hardly we have been Pakistan-America bilateral military able to cover 20 per cent of our cul- pact they are supposed to supply turable lands under irrigation and Pakistan with all the latest ammuni more than 80 per cent is still left to tions, and they get their arms supply (he vagaries of the monsoon free. For every purchase of arms and ammunitions we have to pay through oifr nose and the poor tax payer has to foot the bill Instead I beg to submit. Sir, that instead of draining our much needed re of these giant projects we can con centrate on small and medium scale sources to such an extent for pur poses of defence, why not spend some irrigation projects by which we can amount in educating the world public bring more land under irrigation opinion in favour of the ideals for more quickly and at lesser cost which we stand? In the various State enterprises we find a growing tendency of the bure Sir, we have got an eminent per aucratic oligarchy and that should sonality in Sur Prime Minuter and an be stopped. Unless that is done all eminent personality, in our Vice Pre our ideals of nationalisation in the sident, who could tour round different country would be frustrated. 5415 General B udget— PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) General Discussion 5416 I t turn. rural unemployment figure to be of the order of 2.8 millions. The budget includes a total pro vision of Rs. 843 crores for Imple Sir, the need to increase the scop* menting the Second Five Year Plan. lor employment of labour in lieu of Rs. 180 crores has been provided in machinery is an aspect, to be borne the revenue budget and Rs. 698 in mind, but at the same time we crores in the capital budget Besides, cannot think of puttmg a stop to our the Railways would be spending expanding industrialisation pro Rs. 39 crores and the various State grammes I am afraid there is lack of Governments would be spending clear thinking somewhere. We speak Rs. 239 crores. In spite of the large of establishing big textile mills, and, expenditure under this head m the at the same time, we carry on and past and in the coming year we And we push through our ambar charkha that the continual deterioration in programmes We talk of ceiling on unemployment situation has not been land on private individual holding checked The problem of educated We give encouragement for mecha unemployment in the urban and the nised large scale fanning and give rural sectors has been very acute loans to individuals for tractors. I feel that even at the planning level there For our labour force, it is estimated is lack of clear thinking So far as that there will be an increase of two this question is concerned, there million persons every year Lastly, should be a synthesis between collec the under-employed in agriculture tivisation and giving scope to the and household should get increased individuals to grow work opportunities in order to fully utilise* our colossal manpower Our We expect that in the Second Plan joint family system, which, at one period the additional employment time, provided to some extent, a that would be generated would be to measure of social security against the tune of 80 lakhs But, Sir, even unemployment has been in the pro though we me m the third year of cess of disintegration Sir, with the the Plan, I don’t think our unemploy spread of education, land reform and ment problem has been arrested natural desire on the part of the Taking into account the regional as vouth foi independent means of pect of the unemployment problem, livelihood, there is a tendency towards the Plannig Commission suggested Making more wage employment that regional distribution of employ ment opportunities should be spread throughout the country There are Sir, even though it i-. difficult to areas where there is acute and chro rtisess the magnitude of the problem nic unemployment like Orissa, where of unemployment due to insufficient the average annual per capita income data, the National Sample Survey is only Rs. 75 as against the national made a preliminary survey of the figure of Rs. 290. I think that the urban unemployment and estimated it intention of the Planning Commission to be of the order of 2.24 million in is to give top priority for the location *984 By now that figure might have of big industry in those areas; and, increased, and it might have reached naturally, that prompted the Central three million. Government to put up its first steel plant in the public sector at Rourkela in Regarding the rural unemployment the Orissa State. What is the result? figures, some attempt has been made Although thirty-six thousand persona the State Governments to have are enrolled in the local employment a sample survey. I do not think the exchanges there, hardly is the em statistics are very reliable, but the ployment exchange ever '* consulted Agricultural Labour Enquiry Com when any appointment is made by mittee sometime back estimated our the local administration. Out o i 5417 General Budget— MARCH 10, 1980 General Diseuwkm ' 5 4 1ft (Shri P. K. Deo] IS,000 displaced persons, mostly Because, Adtoosis. only 70 have been appointed in permanent jobs and very few in temporary jobs Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member The meaning is: After you die, what may conclude. is the guarantee that you will be again re-bom. Now, this is incon Shri F. K. Deo: I want some more sistent with Government because time. Nobody has spoken from my Government is not an individual. group They have to see to posterity and the future generation and their welfare. Mr. Chairman: Only one has spo ken from his group Mr Chairman: He has to conclude Shri P. K. Deo: My remarks may appear to be parochial; but this problem is a human problem. So, I Shri P. K. Deo: In this connection, would like to draw the attention of 1 would request that the Government the Finance Minister to this ques should carefully consider our capacity tion for repayment of our loans. Now, our outstanding public debt is to the tune After the completion of the First of Rs 40,66,82,00,000 That is the Five Year Plan, it is estimated that borrowing both from outside and national income rose by eighteen per inside the country cent. I do not know by what per centage the index prices of foodstufh and other necessaries of life did rise Besides this, I would like to point I do not believe in the jugglery of out that a country, serious about statistics, but I feel this, namely that planning and about mobilising all of the man in the street should be its resources cannot afford to lose its benefited Abnormal rise in the mat revalue purely on ideological grounds, ter orf foodstuffs has made it very especially when the loss does not evem difficult for the common man in the fulfil the purpose of the ideology street. It is becoming more difficult About 30 crores is being lost to the for the man in the street to make both Government revenue every year by ends meet the introduction of prohibition. Sir, I know fully well how vehemently a Coming to borrowing it is noticed moralist like our Finance Minister will that the value of helping democratic react to my proposal to scrap prohibi India is beginning to be understood tion. But I am a teetotaller myself, fairly well by the foreign countries. and I know fully well that prohibition By the end of the Second Plan, our is doing more harm than good. I do foreign loan would be to the time of not think the number of the alcoholic Rs. 1,500 grores for which our annual addicts has gone down; rather, instead repayment will be 140 crores. of having the moral courage to drink upenly, they are drinking in the bath I would like to know if our Gov room and all sorts of things. They ernment are conscious of this fact It are drinking all sorts of things like remainds me of the saying of Charbak: various tinctures, spirits, emt de Cologne, mrityusanjivani sura, etc., injuring their health. I do not think regulated drinking is at all bad. So, T he meaning is: So long as you live, I request that the Honourable Min have a good tune even by incurring ister may reconsider this aspect of the loans. question. 5 4 (9 ***** If, MM <#AKA) Gewml XXaeaMfan 54SO M"M hn, Though this is a fact, we ha*e M M r for a moment entertained any idea to t&oa JjtfMt Staton in the Chair 1 join Pakistan, though there was a •ftri Bynnliinti (Autonomous Dis semblance of a chance to do so at tricts—Reserved-Scb. Tribes): ISr. the time of the attainment of Inde Chairman, Sir, being one of the few pendence, because we believe in the Itan M n from the tribal areas of the high ideals of Indian nationalism, and eastern frontier of India, and owing hope also that the Government would to tin shortage of time at my disposal, come to our aid whenever the occa I propose to approach this budget sion anses. But when we have lost mainly from the expenditure side and our markets and thereby our «»»»«« from the voew-point of the tribal peo of livelihood, it seems that we have ple of the State of Assam whom I lost also the right to expect adequate represent. It is very sad to observe succour from the Government. that the emphasis laid by the Govern ment in the distribution of funds for the regions in the eastern frontier is For twelve long and nightmarish on the maintenance of law and order years, we were left alone and we had rather than on development. 'Die to fend for ourselves and to depend conditions obtaining in that area, for our living on our ability to smuggle except perhaps to some extent in the goods into Pakistan. Hie imposition Naga Hills, do not in the least warrant of military rule recently in Pakistan such a shift of emphasis. Even in the had removed the straw of smuggling Naga Hills, the Government have been to which we had been desperately all along claiming that the situation is clinging for a decade to maintain our improving. Therefore, I fail to under precarious existence. Our people now stand why our Government are spend are at their wit’s end. They do not ing more and more on the mainten know what to do. Some of them ance of law and order m the eastern accepted the inevitable and in order to frontier. avoid starvation immigrated into Pakistan where they were received with open arms. It is a source of greet regret for me to note that the worsening plight Of Last year, when the Minister of the tribal people who live in the bor der of Pakistan has not been given the State in the Ministry of Home Affairs sympathetic consideration due to it paid a hurried visit to some of the villages in the border, he denounced from the Government. For this year a small sum has been provided for smuggling as immoral and said that their economic rehabilitation. These under no circumstances our people unfortunate victims of the partition should depend on smuggling for a living. These are indeed very lofty did not have to leave their hearths and homes as the refugees from Pakis sentiments and ideas which, backward tan had to; yet, I feel they were more though we may be, we most whole heartedly share. We do not want to hard hit by the partition; because they remained in their own mother live m the midst of alarms and inse land, their economic prosperity was curity natural to smuggling. We hoped then that after the MinisterVoomfort- shattered to pieces and they could not do anything to check it. ing assurances, the grants given to the State Government of Assam for the first time in 1959 would be substanti Sylhel and East Bengal in the pre ally increased in order to afford real partition days were the natural mar relief to these suffering people. But kets for the products from the border when I went through the provisions in areas and from where our people got the budget, I could not but be a vic their daily necessities. From the eco tim of a great sense of disappointment nomic viewpoint the tribal people An increase of Rs. 5 lakhs anly is by bordering East Pakistan formed a part no means sufficient to afford a sem fit East Pakistan rather than India. blance of relief which is indispensably 386 LSD—7 54*1 GcmmI Bud**- MARCM 19, f t * IHscwttfWi j m CShri Hynniewta] needed especially daring the rainy I shall now deal with tha grants-in- aeason when hardly anything can be 4id under article 278 a t the Constttu* grown. The whole ram set apart far tion, with special reference to th* the economic rehabilitation o f the second proviso, which concerns only, border people who number about 2| the tribal people in the State ot- lakhs is only Rs. 80 lakhs. The inade Assam. Since the operation of th* quacy of this amount, I believe, will Constitution, a sum of Rs. S.6 crores be obvious to this House as well as to tyas given to the State at Assam the Government. A lasting solution Hnder clause (a) and about is of course the diversion of the pro Its. 10 crores under clause (b) of the- ducts of this area to other markets in second proviso, making thereby a India, and this can be done only with total of about Rs. 13 crores. We are the initiative and active help of the grateful to the framers of the Consti Government tution for incorporating these provi sions in it with the objective that the Other measures like the establish standard of administration in the tribal ment of industries to consume the pro 4reas should be raised to that of the ducts as raw materials and afford em rest of the State. So far, the Govern ployment to trie economically cBapAar- ment o f India have not yet acted in ed, the construction of a network of Accordance with the spirit of these roads to link the inaccessible areas Provisions, because they have not as with the rest of the country and the Vet tried to ascertain whether that provision of cheaper transport through Objective of the Constitution has been subsidies and other means occupy a realised, if so to what extent and whe very important place. Although all ther the degree of realisation is com the above-mentioned solutions are mensurate with the amount Bpent long-term in nature, the initial stage for their implementation has to be I have, in the course of my previous started at once lest the situation Speeches, drawn the attention of Gov should go out of control. ernment to the fact that the grants What I am mostly concerned with Mnder this article have not been pro- at the moment is the immediate relief Rerly utilised and that the tribal peo that should be provided to these peo ple have not got in terms of actual ple, especially, as I have mentioned tfcenefit even a tenth part of the money earlier during the rainy season, when 4iven to them. One of the main rea at times they have to depend on herbs sons that accounts for this is that the and wild roots for their subsistence. representatives of the tribal people A good number of them have died of have no say except recently in an starvation and a greater number still ®idvisory capacity in the distribution of malnutrition. My submission is w nJiw n onrwhdniBf number of the standard of the backward tribal 'tio&Mtod t u d U t t t t aSSO- people to the level at the mare pro data* Who belong to the came political gressive sections of the population. persuasion as the appointing authority, But these progressive sections are not the Government of Assam. Six long remaining stationary. They also pro ■ « ■ * « had passed and not the alight* gress. Therefore, we must have other •at change was effected. I have dted grants to keep pace with the progress this instance to show that the subju of the more advanced brothers of the gation of national interests to narrow country. But it is very regrettable to political ends has vitiated the whole say that the grants under A rt 275 atmosphere to the extent that the meant to raise the standard of the wasteful utilisation of public money tribal people have been included in cannot but come as a natural corollary. the provisions of the First and Second I would, therefore, urge upon the Five Year Plans with the result that Government to institute an enquiry actually we get nothing extra. If we into‘the manner in which Central are to get Rs 1 crore and if from the grants have been utilised by the local grants under article 275 we get Rs. 90 Government lakhs, they will give us only the balance, namely, Rs 10 lakhs. In this This budget contains an omission way, they are defeating the very which may constitute a violation of purpose of the Constitution and cir the Constitutional provisions. Normally cumventing it in order that the money the grants-in-aid to every State under which should have gone to the tribal article 275 are divided into two heads: people might be diverted elsewhere. (i) grants under the substantive pro vision and (11) grants under the pro visos. But in this budget, there has This communal and narrow-minded been a deviation m the case of Assam. If we turn to page 270 of the publica approach of the local government there will make the situation worse and tion containing the demands for grants worse, and it is mainly for the wrong of the Ministry of Finance, we shall handling of the tribal problem that find that for the State of Assam, the the Nagas have gone to the stage in grants-in-aid are provided only under which they are today. It is not because the substantive provision and no men they hate us. Here I may relate an tion is made of the grants under the incident during the life-time of the provisos. Does it mean, I ask the father of the nation. Long before that Finance Minister, that the grants under time the Nagas have been clamouring the proviso will not be any more avail for an independent sovereign Naga able to the State of Asam? Can the land. Somehow or other they wanted Government do this without amend to press their demand before Mahatma ing the Constitution? The second Gandhi. They went to him and he proviso is exclusively meant lor the received them very lovingly They tribal people in the State of Assam, asked him—the Nagas told me—for a and the grant under clause (a) of the separate Naga land and in reply he proviso is fixed in amount. Surely, told them “If you do not want to this sum should have found a place remain m India, we shall not keep m the budget, as it used to be the you by force” . They went away very case in the previous years. The glad and felt at that time that they Finance Minister, I feel, owes an should be in India at least for some explanation to this House for this time to find out whether it is good or grave amission, which it is not possi bad for than to be in it But as I ble for me to say, is intentional or have said, the wrong handling of the not tribal affair by the State Government Now I shall come to my last point of Assam, and the freedom given to it •nd I shall deal very briefly with it by the Central Government, have made The grants under article 278 are things worse and worse for the coun meant, a> the Constitution says, to raise try, and today large sums of money 5«s Omni aw***- m am m. m t • m *nt tmumm 94* (BbH Hynniewtaj to the tone of Rs. 2 or S l&khs are g, irtfin ffr v rtjt, *fircr, H to *. spent there for the sol6 purpose of fighting the Nagas, who are out own t i k *targt M r *fr Pret* g* f i countrymen. Therefore, I would * r & mw tito fm rtt * t o i f t Sppfeal to the Government to be more careful in their dealing with the I « tribals and to see that the money meant for the upliftment of the tribals yt m*fk wm : zm star ¥ is properly spent. fow H 9 t i t y m r f t *j?r aarwf i * Hr. Chairmaa: The hon. Member from Mirzapur and after him, the hon. s ft w «r»r sfmnr W w f t % «m r vrvf^Rr V I WTTRTO . 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T|T |, 8M C. O. h a d e (Naini. 1U ): siroragr R f #, * t f a * * n w Otherwise, the Deputy Minister of Finance will not hear the hon. Mem f , fa «rr ber; he will not attend to U.P. w jfi f t t^t $ iftr ^rt5t ft Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Of all fcr ^ T^rnft *t Mr. Speaker: The Minister will ^ n V '3»?n «pt*t fsivnRr convey the information to them. «^v ^ r ^ M i 1 1 snj t o w 3ft 5^ ^ v m ^ rr HKIW pr fr^r T* % *rtr^ ^ ^ | «w «»rarf «ll\ sfNi ITpft 3515 | JJo 1 «fto vt ^fcT fan *ptt f 1 w r Tiar ftnf ^ fr Mr. flpMkar. ft h ia w M for aw. Wfc*t fc Ught tor one is (Uncne** for fWt vt «n*4t «iwt ^ •tiiers. 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Hon. Members **rfa* t fa v for *mr f who want to speak may kindly go to the lobby and speak. I also find in *tt f a r v tr f f a w «r these benches nobody except one or * 5 !TT ^ fa ?*r # ^ t t , e u ftsrt two Deputy Ministers. The other Min isters are not here Are all of them 5*r ^ f?rm f occupied9 It is a very serious affair. fa f«T ^ 3jt SRT ^RT ^*T qnprr f The General Budget is an important ftRT ^ aft ?t 9r? wtararr 1 one. So far as individual Budgets are concerned, that Minister may be here. aw w *rnRT vr PmK ft * m r at But what is the meaning of ignoring w »ft m ^rr, ^ this House? Even the Minister of Par liamentary Affairs is not here. It is VT tfr V tf m 5T^t Tt^T *flr 5ft5RT *?F rather strange. What is it that we are jwr ft srwnT j l i w aft doing here? I request all hon. Mem 3rw h a«f fttfT ii'h bers to keep silence in this House when an hon. Member speaks. Let us be a a s *r 3ft a«r ft 3% fam 3jht little more serious in this House. 1 Ik e Deputy Minister of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat): The Finance 17 hra. Minister is replying in the other ^ v r t^t «n fa f ? tm r House. onn qfirr jttrt ^it, f ^rt tox Mr. Speaker: What about the other Ministers? There are Deputy Minis qfa*r | ^ to r ^t qrfmT ters. The Ministers of State are there. vr ffor t 1 & * *ro*rr ^ ’I? 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So, it gives us a clear indication that we I will just give you one definite are going to fulfil the Plan to the illustration to show how the food •extent of Rs. 4,800 crores. I hope the situation, which was very bad in the Finance Minister will be able to country has, as a matter of fact, been d ea rly confirm what I have said. So worsened simply through the mal tar as I am concerned, I do fe d that administration of the Ministry of Foofl it would be possible for the Govern and Agriculture. Take, for example, ment to discharge their responsibili the price of food in Rajasthan. A ties to that extent few months back the prices were ranging there from Rs. 16-17 per maund. I have not the least hesita 1 welcome this indication and 1 tion in saying that the entire coun :also welcome the provision of Rs. 20 try has every right to draw all the >crores on the social services. This foodgrains surplus in that State. I do increase of Rs. 20 crores on the social not mind that As a matter of fact, services this year allays the appre it is only to the advantage of a par hension which was expressed by our ticular State to send out the food very valuable and esteemed friend, and get prosperity out of it Shri Asoka Mehta, when he was dis cussing the Plan. He-felt that in the present context all that can be said Now let us examine what has hap is that the axe would fall * on the pened. It is only exclusively through social services. So, it is really heart* the failures and follies of the Food ening to note that we have made an Ministry that an artificial scarcity additional provision of Rs. 22 crores was created in that area. The prices even this year. Now it is obvious which were Rs. 16-17 at that time, that because of certain projects which shot up through this movement of are likely to be completed during food outside the State to Rs. 27—30. -this year—the steel projects, Bhakra* Bombay, which was included in that Nangal and various other projects— zone, had a much better paying and fortunately because we have a capacity and so it sucked away all bumper crop both for rice and wheat, the food from there. What has been it will be possible for us to achieve the result of it? The result has been •oar target. that the food which was in the hands of gram merchants and certain big landlords was sold at Rs. 27—30 ins While I congratulate the Govern tead of at Rs. 16 or Rs. 17 with the ment for all this, my apprehension is result that these people, more parti that the serious follies and failures cularly the grain merchants, made af the Government, to which an about Rs. 8 to Rs. 10 per maund, which accusing firifcer has been raised by may be called profiteering or some many hon. Members, both from this other name. The peasant does not jride and that side, has got to be get anything out of it He gets only borne in mind, and the maimer in Rs. 13 or Rs. 14 per maund. It u which the administration has been the middle men, these grain mer otndacted do not inspire that faith chants, who have secured the benefit and confidence in the Government of Rs. 8 to Rs. 10 per maund. On a 4hat the proper thing would be done. very modest estimate we have ex Not only that, the expenditure on the ported 100 lakh maunds of foodgrains -dvH side istaounting. In the imple* from Rajasthan. These people have mentation of these projects and other made anything from Rs. 8 to ft) 5452 G«*rttl Sttdf*— PKALGUKA 19, IMS (SAKA) General D i l u t i o n 545s crores. What happened? Rajasthan, made about Rs. 8 to 10 crores through we found, was completely denuded profits and at least let us realise by of the foodgratna. The Food Minis way of income-tax. ter and the Commissioner fear Food got panicky, rushing from place to Shri B. R. Bhag»t: In Rajaattttn? place. The Central Government felt flabbergasted. They started pumping Shri Harish Chandra Matluur: Imported food from Bombay. Accord Yes; in Rajasthan and elsewhere ing to their own estimate, they have where such movement of foodgraim sent by now 25 lakh nraunds of food has happened, where the prices have from Bombay to that place, on which shot up from Rs. 15 or Rs 18 to they have spent at least Rs. 50 lakhs Rs. 25. Where has the margin gone? on railway freight alone. This sum The margin must have gone either to of Rs. 50 lakhs on railway freight has the big landlord or to the grain been a criminal waste of the poor merchants What have you done to tax-payer’s money on the one side. realise that amount even by way of When we take the total amount, it is income-tax? It has done considera Rs. 1 crore criminally wasted and ble harm to this country. artificial food scarcity has been creat ed in that area By creating this I have tried to state this at length artificial food scarcity, we have, as a matter of fact, created a general at only to invite attention that if, in mosphere and psychology of scarcity such a matter where the country is faced with the most grave situation— all over. Such a sacrcity also was there in Punjab, the most important the food problem—over which we all feel so concerned, so anxious, in wheat growing area. If there is food spite of the points being raised even scarcity in Punjab, if there is food scarcity m all surplus areas, if the in Parliament, no attention is paid, prices, simply through movement, go how can the people have any faith in up from Rs. 17 to Rs. 25 and 27, democracy or this administration. the only one person who has gained It is, therefore, to inspire confidence is the foodgrams merchant by in the mind of the people, that 1 demand an enquiry into the Food pocketing about Rs. 8 to 10 crores. I Ministry's utter inefficiency raised this question on the floor of the House during the last session. But, absolutely no attention was paid to I was really amazed when in it and the result is, to this extent, answer to my question the other day, the national exchequer has lost the Food Minister told us that he People have suffered at both ends. does not know how much of food Food scarcity atmo'phere was creat grams had been moved from Rajas ed. It is only such failure and follies than If he does not know, either he which create contempt for the admi u withholding information, which I nistration, and which are a real danger do not think he is,—let me believe to democracy, because, people start that he is honest—or the only other losing faith in them. I would, there irresistible conclusion would be, he fore; demand a definite enquiry into is utterly inefficient. Wi+hout know the affairs of the Food Ministry. ing how much of foodgrains has been Either it is through their absolute in drained out, how can be control efficiency or it is through the movement, how can he control his manoeuvring of somebody in the Food Ministry, how can he control the, Ministry who was interested only in prices? Even after six months, if he the tania's pocket and nothing else. does not know anything about it, God I also request the Finance Minister help. I submit, the future plan and and urge upon him to depute some programme of this country, the income-tax officer so that he may be entire budget depends upon how we able to enquire into the accounts of manage our food situation, to what these foodgratns merchants who have extent we succeed in bringing down 386 L8D—4. 3453 General B udget— MARCH 10, !*•» Oeneral Dittnueion 5454 (Shri fiarish Chandra Mathur) •oaring prices. If you fall to do th^re. This is the case even in the that, neither will you be able to cany matter of small and medium size irri out the Budget, nor will you be able gation projects. Here is the Irriga to carry out the Plan. So, it is of tion Ministry; then the Agriculture absolute significance. Ministry has its own budget, they sanction Rs. 50 lakhs for a particular Even so far as savings are concern ^strict; the Community Project ed, it is only if we could stimulate ministry has also another budget, they the rural economy, which is the back 8anction some money. To my great bone of this country, that we will be surprise even the Consolidated Fund able to do something. What have we 0f India is operated by another agency done to stimulate the rural economy, which is called the Bharat Sevak I would like to know. g^maj. They have got another budget. Then there are the welfare I have just told you how the Agri boards like the Backward Classes culture Ministry has behaved. Every Welfare Board. I wish all these one here knows how co-operatives a^encies were channelled through one have worked. They have. been, a com agency, all these resources were plete flop except in certain areas, pooled so that we get an integrated wherever an enquiry has been held, picture for the development of a par- only a stem-less state of affairs has tjcular State, and we can draw up an been disclosed. integrated plan for the development o i the State. The Community Projects Ministry has absolutely conceded and admit ted that they have failed to stimu I mentioned how the Food Ministry late the rural economy. All that they hiid bungled, how through the follies have done is that they have been a/id failures of the Food Ministry able to arrange certain cultural pro aftificial scarcity had been created, grammes; they have been able to apd I have also pointed out how the give a certain psychological change; plan is being implemented. The only they have only been able to build 0ther thing which could stimulate certain schools and roads, but they tfie rural cconomy is the small-scale have failed to stimulate the rural 8fid cottage industry. The Minister economy. The entire future of this jji charge of small-scale industry. I country, the entire future of this jjiust submit, has taken very keen Plan, the entire future of our Budget interest, and he has tried to contri depends on the extent to which we bute his very best. I have apprecia succeed in stimulating the rural tion for that, but let us see what has economy. This is about food. happened. All the small-scale indus tries, if you make a little survey you Let us now turn to agricultural y/ill find, have only come down to production. What is our programme tjie big towns. It is here in Delhi and what are our agencies, and how tPat there is the greatest growth of the far are they succeeding in stimu 5fnallscale industry. It has not gone lating food* production? You will tP the towns, it has not gone to the be surprised to know that when fUral areas at all, because we have we go to the rural areas, when we r»ever thought as to how we could ait In the development councils, ^reate such conditions and circum . when we draw up our plans, when stances where the small-scale and we go to the rural areas, when we cottage industry could, as a matter are somewhat aghast to know that f,t fact, come up. All the things there are five or six agencies over ^hich are needed for the growth of lapping each other, each trying to tfie cottage industry as well as the •natch somghing from the other, and ^mallscale industry are completely trying to do something her* and absent from the rural anas. 4455 Omrnti Budprt- PHALGUNA 19 , lMO (SAKA) General Discussion 5456 Shri B u t t Chandra Mathur: The hon. Minister of Irrigation and f am giving it here to the whole Power held a meeting of the Rajas House and to the Finance Minister. than M-Ps., and I just asked him will you please name even half a Shri Tangamani (Madurai): If he dozen villages which have been elec grants other details, they may be trified during these seven years of £iven to him the Plan’ Even the Chief Engineer of Rajasthan was there, but he could Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: not name six villages which had been (Shri Hariah Chan dm Jfefliur] which is being investigated, I do not would be suicidal for the progress of want to go into it—it would be very this oouatxy if the transport industry convenient, and it will always be in is hit that way. the know off Government as to what the bank balances of the Government The tax on diesel oil will also hit servants are, how they are swelling, very adversely the small scale indus what is happening and what is not try, about which there is such tall haMMnfog. Therefore, the nationali talk. Where is electrification here? sation of the banks is necessary not There is no electrification. This only from the point of view of de country is the poorest in the genera* velopment but from this point of tion of power. Most of the small view also; I strongly recommend that scale industries, more particularly in since they are a great corrupting the rural areas, depend upon diesel force, if you take them over, you for the generation of power. Again will be able to put a great check on diesel oil is used by tractors and corruption. It is, therefore, that I other things. So this tax on diesel strongly urge that these banUs should oil will very adversely affect the be nationalised. small scale industry and the agricul I shall wily add a word about these tural sector where pumping sets have two taxes. I am perfectly in agree, been put up. This will also hit th« transport industry. ment with my hon. friend who says that I do not mind any tax which you have imposed on the cigarettes 1 do not claim to have much know or any other article of that kind. ledge about khandsari. But from Coming to the tax on diesel oil, 1 what I heard in Rajasthan, those would like to draw the pointed atten people who are going ahead or who tion of the Finance Minister to a want to go ahead with setting up clarification given by his own Minis certain industry—because it is ex try that this tax is not going to hit tremely labour intensive and because the poor man; it is not going to hit it can be set up in the rural sector— the consumer, because it is so in have been hampered by, this new significant that it would be absorbed impost. If the Finance Minister by the industry. But, 1 hope the feels that he is in need of revenues, attention of the hon. Finance Minis I would not mind his levying this ter has been drawn to the discussions tax as an additional tax on sugar, sa in the Delhi Corporation where they that khandsari could stand in com* that it is impossible to carry on petition with sugar, so that these tfie D.T.U. bus service, because they labour intensive schemes are not would be incurring Rs. lakht given up. As a matter of fact, here merely because of these taxes, and we are faced very much with the therefore, they think that the but unemployment situation and it is feres should be raised. How does it here that the small scale industry and fit in with the clarification that has rural economy is hit by the diesel been given by the Finance Ministry? tax as well as khandsari tax. Here is a dear example under your very nose in Delhi, where the cor poration feels compelled to raise the Shri AJit Singh Sarfaadi (Ludhiana): bus fares because of this tax on tyres I shall also be taking up the «* »« as well as on diesel oil. And there is points in my submission as the ones gfcnutae apprehension that this has which have been partly dealt with by been done to hit the road transport the hon. speaker who preceded me. which is only in its infancy. I also want to draw the attention ot the hon. Minister to the fact that suffi I have not got the time to deal with cient emphasis is not being laid today it, but I will shortly be submitting on the rural and agricultural economy a report which will indicate that it of our country. j4 Sf Q M M Bwdgt*— P8ALGUMA tt, lt*0 i tAK A ) Gfcixn l Dfectnatoft 5460 At the outset, I fe d that the Fin It must be conceded that food is ance Minister is entitled to congratu the biggest drain on our resources and lations for he has given us a realistic on our economy. The Economic Sur picture of the country’s economy. He vey indicates that the imports did rue has told us where the difficulties lie. in 1956-57 under the impact of the fie has informed us of the gap which developmental schemes in the coun exists between national resources and try; but, non-developmental imports national commitments. We have also also contributed a great deal to this been told that there has been a increase. Of the increase of about reduction in agricultural production in Rs. 330 crores in 1956-57, roughly two- 1957-58. There has also been a slow third was, no doubt, on account a( ing down in the industrial progress, the raw materials, the intermodiaiy giving a trend of rise in the pr ce*. goods and capital goods. But the non- We also know that the Government developmental imports also increased are doing their best to tap all avail by about Rs 130 crores, half of which, able resources in order to meet the nearly Rs 65 crores was accounted for national commitments. It is credit by food imports. able for the country also that It has borne the taxation so high It is most Similarly, in 1957-58, the imports cred table for the Government that further increased by about Ks 100 they have been able to have appre crores in the aggregate. Of this, ciable foreign assistance to meet the whereas Rs 37 crores represented the situation increase in the import of capital goods and raw materials and there was a decline m import m the countr> of consumer goods, the food imports, on the other hand, were higher by about But despite all this, we have natu Rs 50 crores. Of course, there has rally to resort to deficit financing if been a decline m the non-dt-veloo- we have got to implement fully the mcntal imports, m the first half of Plan. This deficit financing will, of 1958-59, including a decline of food course, lead to a certain amount of imports But the Finance MiniFler’s inflation, but with the controls we are speech indicates that the food pur having on prices, the trend has not chases are likely to involve an addi been so high as it would otherwise tional outlay of nearly Rs. 25 crores. have been. But one thing that All these facts definitely indicate how emerges very clearly from the speech b ttcrly we shall have to fight on the of the Finance Minister and the Eco food front. nomic Survey that he has given is that the main fight for quite a time Therefore, we have got to make to come would be on the food front some calculated effort in this regard. If we have got to survive and develop And, when one sees the Budget from the country’s economy, we must suc this aspect, one feels disappointed. ceed on the food front. Of course, The only thing one finds m tlie Bud industrial development of the country get is the additional expenditure on could give us strength. Possibly, the Community Development fchemes to imports might decrease. We might be the tune of Rs 6* 17 crores 'Jus year. in a position to export, when the steel This is too small a figure. plants go into full production. But, yet, with all these, may I respect I am glad that the Government is fully submit to the House that the tak ng to trading in foodgrains. This main emphasis should be on increa ed is as it should have been. Tlus would food production and we have got to certainly give a fair deal to the agri see whether that emphasis is there culturists and the farmers in relation or not And, here I regret to say that to prices. I do not want the prices to there is not sufficient emphasis 011 be on the high side. But, I do say this aspect of our economy. (hat there should be a balance bet- 5461 General Budget— MARCH 10, IBM Gwmi«! Dfeewate* 54ft* [Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi] ween the price paid by the consumer income of the agriculturist class in and the price given to the producer. 1048-49 was Rs. 4,250 crores and in It is essential that there should be fixa 1055-56, after seven or eight years, It tion of the prices to give an incentive 1$ stated to be Rs. 4,220 crores. Thejj to the fanner and the agriculturist to is a reduction of Rs. 30 crores. How produce more. He does not only need do you say that we are having deve the incentive by the fixation of the lopment in food production and so prices; but, we should give him a fair on? I submit that we are going down return for the investment and labour ui the matter of agricultural economy that he puts in. He also needs a and there is no apparent development climate for that purpose. to that side. It has been rightly said by the hon. In fact, if you see the conditions previous speaker, Shri Mathur, that now, agricultural production has you cannot have a developed rural become more of a profession of the economy unless you have got decen down-trodden, because of the insuffi tralisation in the industries w d you cient return for the investment and h3vc got small-scale and cottage Mhe labour put in. As such, taient is industries in the rural areas. You getting out of this profession And, must give a side avocat'on to the agri unless you create a cl mate and con culturists That is most essential. He ditions in the country whereby agri ha* got spare time in between the cultural profession attracts talent as harvesting and the sowing seasons; he well as individuals, you cannot suc must have certain avocation and that ceed on this front at all. can only be given to him if we devote our attention to the development of Now. it is conceded that there was the cottage industr es. I am sorry disparity between the income of the that due emphasis is not being placed agriculturists and of the industrialists on that side before the First Five Year Plan The First Five Year Plan laid emphasis I will take Punjab as an illustra on agricultural development It gave tion which has got an agrarian eco top priori'y to the development of nomy It has contributed towards the rural economy. Yet you will find that agricultural economy of the country. in the end of the First Plan, the dis Iri 1947-48, it was a deficit State by parity not only rema ned but increas about 50.000 tons and now it is sur ed and in the Second Plan period, plus by about 250,000 tons. The Second there is to be a further acccntuation plan lays down further increases: 32 in the disparity between the income p£r cent more of food grains, 70 per of the agriculturist and the income of cent more in cotton, 40 per cent more the industrialist. Unless you try to in sugarcane and 25 per cent more in tackle this basic problem and remove oil seeds. These targets, though not this disparity that exists and try to completely reached, are being better the condition of the peasants approached. There is progress Punjab who constitute nearly 75 per cent of has got the biggest concentration of the population, you cannot have a small-scale industries. It will surprise strong economy which will be the the House to know that the total foundation of the future development expenditure for the development of of the country. I want to lay empha the small-scale industries in Punjab— sis on this. The hon. Member who I am giving the figures from the spoke before and who came from U.P Punjab Budget—is a paltry sum of was giving figures about the income. Rs. 2 crores. This sum has been ear You will find that the per cuptta marked to provide facilities to (he income was Es. 200 in the one case industrialists for the total Plan period. and nearly Rs. 300 in the case of the Two crores alone had been earmarked other. Thi# disparity has increased in for the purpose of loans to the indus the Second Plan period. Hie total trialists for these five years Another 54*3 General Bttdffa*— PHALGUNA 19, 1880 (SAKA) General Ditcifttion 5464 sum of Rs 2 ST crores has been ear war m future will be absolutely marked for the provision of facilities different It may not be necessary to for standardisation and marketing ol have stand ng armies even You need the goods That is also for the entii-e not have a defence line either Things Plan period Similarly, another have changed But, all the same, in amount of Rs 204 lakhs has been ear the present set-up that we are with marked for the purpose of other small less development of our umaments, scale industries See the meagre we have yet to keep ourselves strong amount that we are spend i.g on and have strong defence forces small scale and cottage industries m a State like Punjab where the per Let us consider the unfortunate capita investment in heavy Industrie? position we are m The hon Member, is only 13 as compared to TOO in Shri Raghunath Singh, mentioned Bengal and 98 in Bihar The dispanly yesterday about the raids that are on investment m heavy industries it. going on, the cease-fire that is there the different States should be met by and how weak we are feeling There some way, and that can only be met is another consideration, and that is if we have development of small scale the most important point to which I and cottage industries wish to diaw the attention of the Government It was in May 1955 that an agreement was arrived at bet'veen The Budget certainly is realistic It our Home Minister and the then shows all-out progress despite our Minister for Interior, General Iskander handicaps despite the misfortune we Mirza That agiecment pertained to had in the matter of decline in agn- protecuon of relig ous places of Hindus cultuial production and slowng down and Sikhs left in Pakistan The agree of industrial projects Yet we have ment wa-> that a list should be drawn to exert more and we can properlv up of Hindu and Sikh religious places exert only if we lay proper ei.iphasis It ft m Pakistan, and due measured on the mam economy of the country, should be taken not only for their pro which is the agricultural economy, the tection piottetion of propei ty, but rural iconom\ That is one point, Sir, alio for maintenance of rel gious wh ch I n ould like to place for the sanctity of those places considuation of the House Sir, this agreement took place in May, 1955 About 11 to 12 ye^ra have There is another point to which I passed after partition Mor«* tliar wish to draw the attention of the three years have passed after this Government of India We have a agreement But nothing has been reduction m the defence cxpensea. done You will appreciate, Sir, that Possibly, the hon Finance Minister has in Pakistan, there are religious places been adMsed that the conditions have wh ch are vei\ dear to the community come m where we can have a rcduc *hat resides m Punjab They feel tion But I personally feel that \ei\ much that nothing is being done situated as we are m a position in Asia with regard to the protectior and with the relations with our neighbour m untenance of these centres The which are not too very happy, we question of property is there also They have got to speak from a posit on of are being appiopnated bj Pakistan strength How can we speak from a But I do expect the Government of position of strength unless we are India to find some way wherebv some strong9 How can we be strong jnless thing is done to protect sucn rel gious we spend something for defencc The places and to maintain the sanctity of hon Minister was pleased to ask those places The S G P C is spending “Shall we spend Rs 200 crores7" I Rs 3 5 lakhs a year—I have seen the do not say that. I think it is not Budget—for having Sevadars at necessary The shape of things to Nankanasahib, the birth pltfce of Guru coma is getting different The shape of Nanak We do not find even the General Budget- MARCH 10, im Bi9eusaiim ^ [Shri AJit Singh Saihadi] slightest move on the part of the Gov expenditure here or there, is wrong ernment on this matter. This thing and so on. is too serious to be overlooked. There fore, I do hope and pray that the matter should be set right soon. I I agree that the budget is the least quite appreciate the difficulties of the controversial and a good budget, but Government. 1 put a question the st 11 there are some points to which X other day and asked what lias been want to draw the attention of the hon. done all these days and what shall be Finance Minister. done The reply that was given by the hon. Prime Minister was, “nothing Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: Do can be done cxcept negotiations” . I you want to become a leader? am sorry that we have reached a state of affairs where we cannot do any thing. Of course, I do not say that An Hon. Member: Do you want to we should go to war, for that should oppose the budget9 be avoided. But all the same, unless we speak from a posit.on o r suenglli, A frf £fcmestfwxr TkaCifc: fffo. Bat unless we are strong enough to face everybody cannot get 100 per cent of these situations, it would be very what he expccts. There are some difficult to carry on. That is one other points to which I shall draw the atten point to which I should like to draw tion of the hon Finance Minister and the attention of the Minuter. The which need clarification. As regards Government should see that this prob taxes, I think that taxation has now lem about maintaining the sanctity of been decreased from 56 per cent., as religious places is solved and we m the previous year, to 45 per cent should adopt ways by which the for the coming year This includes sanctity of the religious places is wealth tax and exccss dividends tax. maintained. In all, it has come to 45 per cent. But Shri Rameshwar Tantia (Sikar): I the system of dividends is like this. have been 1 stening since the last two The shareholders will get less than days to the speeches made by various what they were getting'before. So, it Members from this side and on the will affect the very ordinary people, other side. I was reminded of a pro because, according to the statistics, 85 verb m my State A young man went per cent of the shareholders are those to his mo her and said, “Mother, I who are holding very very small want to be a leader” The mother said, amounts of money Therefore, I “How can you be a leader? You are would suggest that ways and means be not educated; you have done nothing found so as to see that these share for the country" But then the holders are not affected mother thought over and added: "All right, do one thing Oppose anything Another point is about the taxat:on and everything, whatever is good and on companies, the corporation tax. 11 whatever is bad, and you w 11 become there are subsidiary companies to a a big leadtr”. That is the thing I am company, the shares in the subsidiary H iring for- the last two days. The companies and the corporation tax Finance Minister is lucky this year in arc deducted The other companies that there is nothing much controver have got their shares On the next sial in the budget. I think that com time, most of the profits will be elimi pared to the past several >ears, this nated and nothing would remain with budget is one which is least contro the shareholders. So, I would request versial. So, Members of the Opposi the hon. Minister to examine tills tion and some other Members also, on point. Once the tax has been taken finding th%t there is no fault in the from the company, as corporation tax, budget, have been saying that some* it should be seen that next time no thing about food, something about an double taxation is levied. One* a 5467 CtoMfa! Budget— PHALGUNA 19 , I860 (SAKA) General Ditcuuion 5 4 6 ! [Shri Rameshwar Tantla] taxation is charged on the company, on the Finance Bill; it is all genaraL next time, if the shares are held by Government does not get any help another company, a subsidiary com and the House does not get any help. pany, then, it should be seen to it that So far as this matter is concerned, why no corporation tax is charged on that should not hon Members devote their company attention to economising so far as the demands for grants are concerned where emphasis should be laid, where Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The there has been increase in expenditure hon. Member will please resume his during the year, whether it is right or seat I want to make an observation. wrong, etc’ This is the oc 1 want to see that no repetition of the casion for saying that. If the points is made during the discussion hon Member has nothing more to say, So far as this matter is concerned why I shall try to give him an opportunity concerned, the Public Accounts Com Uter on mittee and the Estimates Committee have looked into a number of Hon Members should come prepar Demands I have made a number of ed with the recommendations made suggestions All that the hon Mem b> the Public Accounts Committee and ber is saying about taxation, etc, may the Estimates Committee; otherwise, it be reserved for the discussion on the will be general I also find a number Finance Bill Now, the same thing is of local grievances brought up now said, both during the discussion of the They may be reserved for a later President’s Address and in the course occasion of the discussion on the budget The House w ill now stand adjourn Nobody addresses himself to economy ed till 11 a .m . tomorrow m expenditure havmg regard to those Shri Rameshwar Tantia: I may be items which have been referred to by given some time tomorrow the Estimates Committee and on which Mr. Speaker: Yes recommendations have been made either by the Estimates Committee or 18.01 hrs. the Public Accounts Committee The same speeches are heard both on the The Lok Sabina then adjourned MU President’s Address and during discus Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday, sion on the General Budget Now, March 11, 1959/Phal<>una 20, 1880 we have the same speech and once (Saka) again the same speech will be made 388 LSD —0 54*9 DAILY D*CH»T 5470 [Tuesday, March to, 1959/ 19* ( Co lu m n s Caunma PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 5328 QUESTIONS OF PRIVILEGB 5339—44 The following papers were laid The Speaker withheld his con on the Table : sent to the raising o f the following questions of pri (1) A copy of each of the vilege given notice o f by the following papers:— members shown against each :— (0 Appropriation Accounts of tne Defence Services (0 Alleged lea- Notice by for the year 1956-57 and kage of Bud- Shri Lais- the Commercial Appendix get figures ram A chaw thereto .... for 1959-60 Singh relating to (*») Audit Report, 1958 of Manipur. Posts and Telegraphs under (li) Alleged leak- Notice by Article 151(1) of the Con age of Bud* Shri S.M. stitution and the Appro get proposals Banerjee priation Accounts, for 1959-60 1956-57 (Si) Audit Report, 1956 of CALLING ATTENTION TO die Government of Delhi MATTER OF URGENT under Article 151(1) of PUBLIC IMPORTANCE . 5345—47 the Constitution and the Finance Accounts, 1995-56 Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee called the attention of the (2) A copy of the Annual Minister of Labour and Report of the Coal Board Employment to a fire in a for the year 1957-58 section of the Giridih Col liery on the 2nd March, 1959, (3) A copy of Notification resulting m the death of four No. G.S.R. 227 dated the persons. 28th February, 1959 under The Parliamentary Secretary sub-section (4) of Section to the Minister of Labour 19 of the Medicinal and and Employment and Plann Toilet Preparations (Ex ing (Shri L . N. Misra) made cise Duties) Act, 1955, a statement in regard there making certain further to. amendments to the Medi cinal and Toilet Prepara BILL PASSED . 5347- 4S tions (Excise Duties) Rules, 1956 The Minister of Railways (Shri Jagjivan Ram) moved for the consideration of the Ap propriation (Railways) No. MESSAGES FROM RAJYA 2 Bill, 1959. The motion SABHA . 5328-29 was adopted. After the clause-by-clause considera Secretary reported two messa tion, the Bill was passed ges from Hajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha had no recom mendations to make to Lok GENERAL BUDGET— GENE Sabha in regard to the RAL DISCUSSION . . 5348—68 following Bills:— General Discussion on the Budget (General), 1959-60 (I) The Indian Income-tax continued. rlh e Discussion (Amendment) Bill, 1959 was not concluded passed by Lok Sabha on the 24th February, 1959 AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY, (a) T he Appropriation Bill, MARCH, xi, I959/PHAL- 1959 passed by Lok Sabha G U N A 20, 1880 (SAKA) on the 25th February, General Discussion on the 1959 Budget (General)T? TT «RT * * r t5t *nwrc vt fff wrcr «fk spth K*RT fiwHT | ftp $*r Sr w t rfi w rit vft arT^t «ftraftvfte?r5^ R z^ r