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The Attorhey-General: I move section Section 8 (extension of meaning of.. 7 (development of area coloured green nai.manent work) was agreed. on deposited plan). Of neeessity this means that the portion coloured "green" The Altorn.ey-General: I move section shall cease to be used as a market place, 9 (iepeals). This se:tion repeals the and that the Corporation shall be able,' Douglas Market Act of 1F.98. with the requisite approval, to develop the alea, but that no building shalt be Sections 10 (saving as to Crown erected on the area which will leave an Rights), 11 (short title) and 12 (com- open pace of less than ten feet wide or mencement) were agreed. twelve feet in height between the boun- The Council resumed and the third dary walls of the Douglas Hotel and reading of the Bill was agreed. that such open space shall be used as a footpath only. The Council retired and met in Tyn- The section was agreed. wald at 11 a.m, the same day.

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REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS OF TYNWALD COURT

Douglas. Tuesday, June 19, 1956.

Present; The Governor (Sir Ambrose. Quine, J. B. Bolton, E. C. Irving and G. Flux Dundas, K.C.I.E., C.S.I.).. In the Taggart, with Mr F. B. Johnson. M.A.. Council: Deems ter Sir Percy Cowley, Secretary and Clerk of Tynwald. C.B.E., Deemster J. A. Cain, M.A., the Attorney-General (Mr S. J. Kneale, O.B.E.), Sir Ralph Stevenson, G.C.M.G.. ELECTION OF ACTING-SPEAKER. Messrs S. F. Crellin, M.C.. G. Prior to the sitting of the Court the 'Higgins, Alfred S. Teare, M.B.E., J. Cal- lister and E. B. C. Farrant, M.B.E., with House of Keys elected Mr W. C. Craine as Acting-Speaker. Mr E. R. St. A. Davies, M.B.E., Govern- ment Secretary and Clerk of the Council. In , the Keys: The Acting-Speaker (Mr W. C. Craine), Messrs T. F. Corkhill, L. PAPERS LAID BEFORE THE COURT. Gerrard, F. H. Crowe, T. Q. Canned, R. C. The Governor: I have the honour to Cannell, A. Cecil Teare, H. H. Radcliffe. lay before the Court:— H. C. Kerruish, Mrs A. Bridson, Messrs J. C. Nivison, J. H. Nicholls, W. E. The Import Duties (Exemptions) (No. Quayle, A. Moore, T. A. Coole, 'C. C. 6) (Isle of Man) Order. 1956. (Govern- IyIcFee, R. E. Cottier, A. S. Kelly, G. P. ment Circular No. 46/56).

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The Public Service Vehicles (Motor- (4) Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses Cycles) (Inspection) Regulations,. 1956. of the Borough of Douglas for authority The Motor Vehicles (Construction and to borrow a sum not exceeding £4,560, Use) (Amendment) Regulations, 1956. at a rate of interest not exceeding £41 per centum per annum, repayable within The Isle of Man Tuberculosis Eradica- 15 years, for the conversion to fluores- tion Order, 1956. cent lighting in Ridgeway Street, Circu- lar Road, Derby Road and Peel Road in Order made by the Isle of Man Local Government Board, dated 23rd March, Douglas, and the provision of additional 1956, constituting the Brookfield District new street lamps. of the Parish of Maughold a Special Drainage District. Order made by the Isle of Man Local MANX BUDGET PROPOSALS. Government Board, dated 11th May, The Governor: The main business be- 1956, constituting a portion of the Parish fore us to-day is consideration of the of Maughold, comprising substantially estimates for the year ending 31st March, all hereditaments and premises in the 1957. You will find detailed figures in Village of Maugholcl a Special Drainage the printed copies which have been District. placed before you with the Government The Whitley Council Constitution, Treasurer's explanatory memorandum. 1956. My remarks which follow are intended Tha report of a sub-committee of to give you a general picture in a form Executive Council on the Manx Electric which may not be so correct from the Railway Limited. accounting point-of-view but will 1 hope be easier to understand. This is the Approval, dated 11th May. 1956, to the fourth Budget which it has fallen to my following Petit ions:— lot to present. Like the last two, but (1) Peel Town Commissioners for au- unlike the first, it is one which shows the thority to borrow a sum not exceeding Island's financial position at first sight £900, at a rate of interest not exceeding better than we have expected it to be. £4i per centum per annum, repayable Nevertheless, before I come to those within five years, for the purchase of a features in it which we can regard with new Bedford lorry for general purposes. relief, I feel it necessary to mention (2) Peel Town Commissioners for au- some of the heavy increases in commit- thority to borrow a sum not exceeding ments which have come upon us, or be- £400, at a rate of interest not exceeding come known to us, during the year. One £4i per centum per annum, repayable of the heaviest of these is the increase within 10 years. for demolishing 1, in salaries and wages which the rising Station Road, Peel, and widening the cost-of-living, or depreciation of the junction of Station Road and Patrick pound, has made it necessary for us to Street. accept. These involve something like £89,000 per annum. The six per cent. Approval, dated 25th May, 1956, to the increase last year, meant increased ex- following Petitions— penditure of £10,000 per annum and (3) Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses there will be £15,000 for police increases of the Borough of Douglas for authority both in salaries and in establishment. to borrow a sum not exceeding £2,000, School salaries which appear to be going at a rate of interest not exceeding £4i up from October next will mean a per centum per annum, repayable within further charge of £20,000 per annum 47 years, to complete the scheme for the against Government. The annual recur- laying and construction of a trunk ring expenditure of the Health Services sewer under the provisions of the Dou- Board has gone up by E54,000. of which glas - (I3raddan and Onchan) Drainage £37,500 is accounted for by salaries, fees Act, 1949. and wages. In the Highway Board, in-

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creased wage-rates.- mean a further £65,000: and supplementary payment to £6,500 per annum for permanent men. National Insurance, £45,000. There were The expenses of the Board of Social Ser- savings in expenditure as shown under vices has gone up by £58,000, all due to the heading "Expenditure" at page II of increases in rates of benefit which we the printed statement, but of thess only have found ourselves bound to accept. the £39,655 saving on emergency ser- The Board of Agriculture, besides the viee.s. and £8,742 on the rebate on hydro- increases of £17,000 already recom- carbon oils can be regarded as genuine, mended to me by this Court, have asked and even these are probably not for a further £25,000 for which the permanent: the others are either money necessity is proved by the outcome of not spent that will still have to be spent complicated calculations and hard sooner or later, or loans not given out.- bargaining in England. The position in There is also an apparent saving of regard to capital expenditure shows the £50,000 due to the fact that we did not have to sell any of the securities for Last year I mentioned same trend. whose depreciation we had allowed this alterations and repairs to Noble's Hos- sum; they did, however, fall very pital as likely to require something in considerably in value. For the coming - the nature of a quarter-of-a-million year, 1956-57, the estimates allow for pounds; we now know that the bill for spending (in which I include committing Noble's and other hospitals is likely to ourselves to spend, or opening our eyes be nearer £400,000. with increases in to the fact that we shall have to spend) recurring expenditure to follow. The more than we receive by £907,071. This new water reservoir to serve the south can be seen from the figures of balances and west of the Island for which I on page IX of the printed statement. mentioned half-a-million, is now, with The balance on 1st April, 1956, is shown the other works that should accompany as £1,453,447, and the estimated balance it, likely to cost over £800,000, for which on 31st March, 1957, as £546,376; a I have made no provision in this year's difference of £907,071. It is justifiable budget.. We also have figures showing to spend more than we receive to this that our liability to the Board of Social extent, provided the excess is mainly Services for the next five years and in capital expenditure which, in the opinion the current year in respect of the of this Court, is of permanent benefit to National Insurance Fund is coming out the Island, i.e., money not thrown away at something like £500,000. Due mainly but well and wisely spent or invested in to heavy taXation in England, much of bricks and mortar. The proposals for which is the effect of the unstable inter- the coming year are not only this, but . national position, we have finished the also expenditure which we should in year better oft by £229,202 than we any case want to, or have to, undertake started it. You will see this from the sooner or later, and in most cases sooner. figures of balances on page VIII of the The items shown under the headings typed statement---£1,224,155 on the 1st "Additional Votes" and "Provision for April, 1955, and £1,453,447 on 1st April, further Schemes" on page 38 of the 1956. We have spent, or committed our- printed statement, totalling £842,236, selves to spending considerably more are of this nature. So are the un- than we estimated, but we have also re- expended balances of last year's votes on ceived more. The principal items by pages 37 and 38, £176,103. Both these which our income went up were, as you are from the Accumulated Fund. The will see from pages I and V of the last group of items for expenditure from printed statement, receipts from the General Revenues, on page 9, are of the Common Purse, £230,000, and Income • same nature. They total £164,259. The Tax just under £144,000, and the prin- total of these three is £1,182,598, so my . cipal additional items of expenditure proviso is amply covered. It is necessary were development works, with special also, in permitting oneself to spend more relation to the employment position, than one expects to receive, to be sure

Manx Budget Proposals. 832 VYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 that one can draw in one's horns at any my opinion, more lo than income tax, moment if this becomes necessary. Here on which we rely for nearly £030,000 of again we are amply covered. All the our income. Nevertheless, so long as we expenditure just mentioned is of the are relying for two-thirds of our income -once and for all" variety, and in addi- on' taxation which we should have to tion there are a number of items of a lower at once if the rates were lowered recurring nature which we could at any in England, it would be folly to give up moment cut out if we so desired. For £35000 per annum of the remaining example, the rebate on hydrocarbon one-third when we might be in urgent oils, £60,000; forestry, £40,000; Airports need of it again at any moment, or even Board (after the extension of the run- have to increase it. Sixpence off a way is completed), £50,000. You may .packet of cigarettes, as I have mentioned wonder why, if our receipts have gone up so much more than we expected, I before. would reduce our income by have still thought it necessary to include £180,000 per annum, which is more than entertainment duty in the estimates. we need for harbours and airports alone, My reason for doing so is the precarious and we certainly cannot get on without nature of such a large proportion of our them. Sixpence off petrol tax means income. Our total anticipated receipts £60,000. I have therefore thought it are shown at page IX as £3,150,350. Of better to include the £35,000 entertain- this the sums which are entirely within ments duty on the receipts side and put our own control, uninfluenced and un- a corresponding item of £35,000 on the affected by rates of taxation in the expenditure side to be devoted to mat- United Kingdom, are only just over one ters arising out of the Visiting Industry million, as follows:— Barbour revenues, Commission's report. I shall ask for the £4,250; miscellaneous, £.1.13,100; income Tourist Board's recommendations on the tax, £643,000: entertainment duty, purposes for which the money is re- £35,000: Accumulated Fund, interests, quired, but I contemplate its being rents, etc., £55,000; tax on beer, etc., available in the form either of loans at £198,000: British wines, £2,000; a total economic rates, interest-free loans, of £1,050,350, which is less by £2,100,000. grants or direct expenditure as the In other words only one-third of our in- Board may recommend and Tynwald come is genuinely under our own approve. The guarantee to the Palace control. The remainder is dependent on and Derby Castle Company against loss rates of taxation in England, "Common in extending their season is an example Purse" in one form or another. The of a fair charge against the provision. ,1,000,000 odd which is genuinely under Income tax (as set out at pages 46-47) our control is quickly exceeded by un- and surtax last year brought in £750,959, avoidable expenditure, that is to say, whereas we had estimated £607,000. unavoidable if we are to preserve our These figures clearly allow for some present standards and amenities, on reduction in taxation for the coming the following alone:— Loan charges, year. The bulk of the relief could most £118,000; Executive Government police easily be given either by a reduction in and judiciary, £200,000; social services. the standard rate or by an increase in £468,000; education, £311,000; a total of personal allowances. I feel sure that E1,097,000, without even allowing for the way to make it best felt by those such things as food subsidies, £200.000; Who are most in need of it, is by an in- expenditure on Agriculture, £227,000: crease in the personal allowances. I health services, £620,000; airports and propose that they should be raised from harbours, £.150,000; highways, .£110,000; £160 to £200 in the case of single per- which amount to £1,307,000. and most of sons and from £275 to £350 in the case the other activities of boards shown on of married. The estimated cost is page 5 Of the printed statement. Of 270,000. This has been taken into con- course the entertainment duty is an sideration in the estimate for 1956-57 of irritant—so are all taxes, and none, in £623,000. In England the allowances

Manx Budget Proposals, TYNWALD COURT, JUN8 19, 1956 833 are £140 and £240 respectively. These work that offers any prospects for the changes will require legislation. It future, not even permanency. In other seems also a suitable moment to alter words, so. far as men are concerned, we certain figures for relief or exemption have not really come any nearer to which have become very out-of-line with getting rid of, cr even reducing, the present-day costs of living, I am there- problem, we have merely fed it and kept fore proposing:— (1) to increase the it alive. The position with regard to limit of total income for the purpose of women is a little more saisfactory. We the allowance in respect of persons of 65 had a long debate in this Court last years of age, from £500 to £750; (2) to winter, and what I shall say next is from increase the allowance in respect of a the examination of suggestions made in dependant relative from £.50 to £100: that debate and of discussions following (3) to increase the allowance in respect it. with special reference to the place of of a housekeeper from £60 to £100; (4) public works in meeting the problem. to increase the allowance in respect of a It is evident that there will always be a widowed mother from £60 to £100: and considerable gap between the numbers also (5) to exempt from tax (but not for whom. there is work here in the from surtax) the first £15 of interest summer and the nunibers for whom received in respect of deposits in the there is work in the winter. The Govern- Post Office Savings Bank, as is being ment cannot undertake to close the gap done in the United Kingdom. There are completely by means of public works other ideas for alterations in the income and it would be raising false hopes to tax structure which I will refer to the pretend that such a thing is possible. If Income Tax Commission to consider I could say to all, "there will be a job without reference to this particular for you in the Island next winter," I budget. I must not close this portion would do so—but if I cannot say it to all, of my statement without again paying I will not say it to any. What we can tribute to the work of the assessor and do is to reduce the gap. The extent to his staff. They are still overworked which this can be done by means of and the new double-taxation agreement public \Nrorks depends on (a) the size of has inevitably thrown their work the gap, i.e., the number of persons who further into arrears just when they want work in the Island but cannot get were getting level with it. I am con- it unless public works are put in hand: sidering what further temporary assist- and (b) the financial resources available. ance could be provided for them and The solution lies in reducing (a) and feel sure that anything that may be making the most of or increasing (b), necessary in this respect will have your but there are limits beyond the Govern- sympathy. We are still faced with the ment's control to efforts in both direc- recurring problem of seasonal un- tions. Some of the methods which have employment. The figures mentioned in been suggested, and to a greater or the Employment Exchange report show lesser extent tried, for reducing the gap that there were 1,966 registrations of are (i) Introduction of light industry to men seeking employment in the winter provide all-the-year-round employment. of 1954-55 and 2,239 in the winter of The new industries established in the 1955-56, an increase of 273. In 1954-55 Island during the last two years are now the number of men who went to the providing permanent all-the-year-round United Kingdom for work was 316, and employment for 276 men and 204 women, this year it was 278. Over and above for whom there was previously no those who went to the United Kingdom, permanent employment in the Island, 1.698 found, or were found work in the and this number will expand. In the Island the previous winter. and 1,960 in meanwhile the older-established in- the winter just past, but many of the dustries continue to play their part and latter were placed in work that was some of them too are expanding. • (ii) merely invented for the purpose, not Postponement to the winter of all work work that really wanted doing and not that can possibly be left undone in the

Manx Budget Proposals. 834 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE- 19, 1951i summer. This sounds attractive in prin- policy to make use for this purpose of ciple, but Boards find it extremely diffi- work that wants doing for-other reasons, cult in practice. .(iii) Encouragement even though the reasons may not of and assistance to persons seeking themselves be compelling. Government's careers or work, whether permanent or policy will therefore be influenced by temporary, outside the Island. The the employment position, though not Employment Advisory Committee have dictated by it. There is any amount of available all necessary information in work that wants doing in the Island, regard to employment in England and work of permanent benefit to the Island. overseas and do their best to bring such Trees want planting, unadopted roads information to the notice of each man want making uP, the Island needs a or woman to whom it will be of ad- running-track, the coastal footpath round the island wants restoring, car- vantage according to the circumstances parks are needed, bus-shelters, the run- his or her individual case. The ways at Ronaldsway want widening, the grants through the Board of Education ivy that is throttling the trees wants for higher studies in the United Kingdom tackling, beaches and harbours want are, of course, directed to the same end. improving, a new police station and.law (iv) Lengthening the visiting season. court is wanted for Douglas, Boards This was the principal recommendation w,ant new offices and public rooms, of the Commission on whose report roads want widening, hotels and board- action is now being taken. . (v) In- ing-houses want bringin'g up-to-date, creased afforestation. This is engaging farms want electrifying, water-mains the active attention of the Board :of want laying and reservoirs constructing, Porestry, Mines and Lands. (vi) Develop- and so on, in every department of the ment of. the mineral resources of the Island's life. The people who know Island. Exploration is being carried out what work wants doing, and the people by new methods which enables prospec- who will have to carry out the work if tors, as it were., to "see through" the funds are provided, are first and fore- glacial overlay which covers Much of the most the boards and local authorities. Island. Reports so far have been en- There are also any number of societies couraging, but it will still be some time and associations with. specialised in- before anything definite will have been terests, such as the National Trust, the established. (vii) The guidance of boys Boarding-House Keepers' Association, and girls of school-leaving age into the N.F.U., the Manx Motor-Cycling careers. The Board of Education and Centre, the Society for the Preservation the Education Authority have this in of the Manx Countryside, as well as in- hand. (viii) Pressing on boards. GOv- dividuals with bees in their bonnets or ernment departments and persons who axes to grind, and all or any of these are are otherwise not disposed to do so, the welcome to suggest schemes and offer to desirability of buying, whenever pos- carry them out if funds are provided. sible, articles or goods made in the If all these people between them, with Island. Despite two ably organised and their local and special interests, can well attended exhibitions with this in think of nothing that wants doing, then mind, I am left with the feeling that this I can only conclude that nothing does campaign has met with remarkably little want doing. The trouble, I think, has success or even support. When all these arisen from the fact that Boards and efforts have had their effect, there will local authorities, instead of thinking out still remain for some years to come what wants doing,, will persist in decid- considerable numbers of persons seeking ing for themselves how much money work every winter, who will be unable' they will get and then putting forward to get it in the Island except in "Public proposals only un to that amount. This Works." Although the Government can- is not what I want them to do. I have not put works in hand just for the sake tried to make the position clearer this of creating employment, it is their year by asking them to say both what

• Manx Budget Proposals. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 835 they think is necessary, for which they sum outstanding for Government loans feel that they must have the money, and less the amount which has been put aside also what they would like to do if they for sinking fund, stands at £1,584,000. could have the money. It is from pro- So that at the present moment we actu- posals in the latter category that I hope ally have more than enough to meet our we shall be able to select a limited total liabilities. In view of the position that has been revealed by these accounts number of schemes for next winter with for 1955-6, it would appear to me that, a direct eye to the employment position. whether it is good policy or not, we It is with this in mind that I have again could very well have abolished enter- made provision in the .Budget for tainments tax completely and we cer- £80,000, which you will find under the tainly could have slashed income tax heading "Development Schemes un- and surtax very considerably. We hear allotted" on page 9 of the printed esti- constant appeals to industry to come to mate. I do not think this is a particu- the Isle of Man, and it appears to me larly good policy, especially as it might that it would be more realistic to con- be brought to an abrupt end at any sider a reduction in the burden of taxa- moment by financial considerations, but tion which that industry has to face it is the best we have so far been able when it gets here, than to take the to devise. Finally, I have again to money and then consider ways and acknowledge with pleasure the assist- means of spending it in the way we ance of my Executive Council, the think is the best way. To turn to the Legislative Council and the Finance current year, I think it should be noted that the revenue anticipated from Committee of the House of Keys in the Customs and Excise at £2,452,000 is preparation of the budget, and my great about the same as we actually received indebtedness to Mr Cringle, Mr Quil- last year so that if we are to expect any leash, and the staff of the Finance considerable surplus. on General Division of Government Office, for their Revenue Account the total Customs very hard work on these complicated revenue must be greater than it was accounts, for their .clearness and patience last year or alternatively our spending in explanation and for the soundness of must be considerably less. The accu- their advice. These are the same words mulated fund commences the year with that I used last year, but they are none a balance of £420,000 after providing the less genuine for that. for unspent votes at the end of March, 1956. Last year's revenue surplus, to- Mr Boam: If I may be permitted to gether with the anticipated receipts, will say a few words on the Budget generally bring the fund up to 2924,000. We have I would like to say that when we had already voted £108,000 this year which our estimates before us- in 1955 we ex- is shown on page 38 and on the same pected to overspend during the year page provision has been made for £108,000. We have found since then further schemes which will cost that the accounts for 1954-55 were £733,000. After making provision for £.23,000 better than was anticipated. The the depreciation of investments 'the General Revenue surplus, as we know, accumulated fund will be reduced at the is £448000 and the surplus on the end of the year to £42,000. I think we Income Tax Fund is 297,000, and even are all aware that this money cannot after allowing for depletion of the all be spent during the current year and Accumulated Fund we are actually that the cash position of the fund will better off than last year by £408,000. be considerably better than that but it And we are actually £576,000 better off should be pointed out that we have than we expected to be a year ago. The before us a proposal to spend almost total assets, according to the present 2800,000 on a reservoir in Glen Rushen estimates, are £1.729,000. The Accumu- which it not in the estimates. We are lated Fund stands at £869;000 and the contemplating a number of other items Income Tax Fund at £584,000. There are of expenditure and under active consid- loans repayable to the Accumulated eration are matters like the Queen's Pier, Fund of £276,000, and as against that the Ramsey, which will cost £140,000, a

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new grandstand, the development of the of everyone else." In 1842 Macaulay Marine Drive, new baths for Douglas, and said, It is supposed by many that our the undergrounding of Electricity Board rulers possess somewhere or other an cables, to mention only a few of them. inexhaustible storehouse of all the neces- Our total income for the current year is saries and conveniences of life and from estimated to be £.3,150,000. If we are mere hard-heartedness refuse to distri- to assume that the argricultural vote is bute the contents amongst the poor." mainly for the purpose of subsidising The article said, "This delusion thrives consumer prices and add to that the to-day as never before. • The tacit . amounts to be spent on education, social assumption is made that an increase in services, health services and emergency Government spending will meet more of services, we get a total to be spent on our total needs than were met before, but this comes from overlooking the social services of £1,830,000, of 60 per obvious fact that the Government has cent, of our total income. The position not a penny to spend on anybody that at March, 1957, according to the esti- it does not take from someone else. For mates will be that our funds will have every additional pound the Government been reduced by £907,000. Last year's spends the taxpayers have one pound figure was £169,000. We are aware that less to spend. Taxation erodes the incen- we cannot spend all the money shown tives to produce and earn and in the end on page 38 during this year but it would it meets fewer real needs than before. appear that even with considerable un- People spend the money they themselves expected surpluses as we had in 1955-56 earn on what they themselves really our position is not likely to be any better want. The Governjnent spends the than it is at present. I feel that we are money not on what the rest of its want relying constantly on large surpluses and but on what out. paternalistic bureau- we are inclined to ignore the ever- crats think is good for us. In the pro- present danger of a reduction in the cess the pound you have paid in tax product of U.K. taxation, whether it be shrinks considerably because of the by a reduction in taxation or a reduction excessive costs of Government adminis- in the total receipts due to bad trade. tration." One last word. It is gratify- Last year tobacco produced £909,000 and ing to see some further relief being Purchase Tax accounted for £364,000a given to income tax payers and I am total of £1,275,000. This is five-eighths quite sure that the proposals for increas- of our customs receipts and two-fifths ing the personal allowance and certain of our total income. Any reduction in other allowances will meet with general either of these figures could affect us approval and will result in a consider- very seriously. We should bear in mind able number of small taxpayers being that the incidence of taxation and the relieved of all product of taxation in England is not by any means clue to boom conditions. A Mr Nivison: I think any discussion on very large amount of the tax is being Your Excellency's statement this morn- imposed in order to restrict spending ing might have been reserved for some and is the product of the Government's other occasion, because it was only given difficulties rather than of prosperity. I to us 'when Your Excellency was ready know all this has been said before but I to read it, although we have been aware am sure that the end of our good fortune of some of the contents. I think we will come. We may consider ourselves should be grateful to the hon. member fortunate for the time being but I hope for North Douglas for his explanation, we shall be able to keep our feet firmly and I am sure the people of the Island on the ground and not spend our money are grateful for the concessions that until we have received it. We must at. have been granted. Many of us have all costs resist the temptation, to commit thought, however, that while we have, ourselves for the future. I read an certain industries that do get money article recently in which a French infused into them—as it is termed—and economist was quoted as saying, "The rightly so, I think, industries such as state is the great fiction through which agriculture, we have thought that other everyone attempts to live at the expense industries that do not get money infused

Manx Budget Proposals. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 837 into them might on this occasion have amongst the economists, although I am taxes not imposed on them. It is a not one. Sometimes, it is used to bring different thing of course. You have one in money. Surely, we don't want to industry receiving assistance, and there- deter live entertainment. We all know fore I suggest that the other might be about people who run amateur shows, relieved of some imposition. I refer in and who are forced to make application particular to entertainment tax, which to be exempt from tax. brings in £35,000. It is brought in even The Attorney-General: I would like when there is a surplus of revenue of :e.448,351, and an estimated surplus for the hon. member to clarify that. There the coming year of £546,376. The is only one amateur organisation who £35,000, when compared with these pays entertainment tax. The remainder figures, is a mere drop in the bucket, do net. It is explained that it may be necessary Mr Nivison: There may be more. But to have this in. case something happens I do know that everyone of them have in England. We meet regularly and to fill up forms and the like. could impose taxes if they were found A member: Why not? necessary. How nice it would be to be able to advertise "Go abroad to the Isle Mr Nivison: We have an example of of Man where your entertainment is not this live entertainment with the Palace taxed." and Derby Castle Company. They have gone from live entertainment at the Mr Kerruish: How nice for the Palace Gaiety Theatre, which is detrimental to Company. a holiday resort like this. They have Mr Nivison: IL is not for me to say had to do that because of the great costs, anything about any company. In Eng- and they are having to put on pictures: land, entertainment companies generally They have also found it necessary to are going through a pretty bad time. close one place of entertainment, and We have noticed that their picture prices offered it for sale. This tax is causing have been greatly increased. We do embarrassment and difficulties. The know that there have been appeals from visiting industry could have done with a the live theatres to give concessions in tonic, and we have plenty of medicine order that they might improve theatres, in the chest—four hundred thousand of and be able to put on more live shows. it. Just an aspirin, so far as entertain- In the Isle of Man, amateurs who ment is concerned. What a wonderful perhaps engage a professional pianist thing. It would have gone down well in are subject to a tax. The Choral Union the Tourist Board. We also know that are themselves very hard put in this in the Isle of Man the transport system connection in the winter. If they pay a is undergoing difficulties. There is one small concession, they are subject to tax. thing which we are going to speak about The Attorney-General: To the later on. Both undertakings, the Bus artistes. Company and the Douglas Corporation, Mr Nivison: Yes. Say a person is have made it quite clear that they are given a small remuneration, and he is experiencing difficulties, and have asked paid £25 for a winter's work, then these for certain concessions—that heavy oils companies have to pay tax. It is irk- be free from duty. I am not suggesting some. It is detrimental to the particular a subsidy. I am suggesting you don't art, and furthermore, £35,000 is col- impose taxes on them. Both companies lected from the whole thing. Live enter- are having difficulty. We in the High- tainment, particularly, should be way Board are trying to keep on encouraged. Mr Bolton has rightly said services in non-remunerative areas, I that taxes are imposed for two purposes. believe some concessions should be One is to deter the use of that article. given in this connection. I fear Surely we don't want to deter entertain- that if this does ont happen, the ment in the Isle of Man. Deter the pur- fares may have to go up. I do not sug- chase of things. It is done many times gest that these companies should be to prevent peop!e using a certain com- given a subsidy but I do ask that these modity. That is an understood thing people who provide a necessity should

Manx Budget Proposals. 838 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 be free from taxation. I am rather dis- Council. I am sure Tynwald still stands appointed that this Budget, which. had by that first resolution of mine and a surplus, did not give some little tonic would agree that a hardship exists be- to the visiting industry through enter- cause of this extra cost of living, and tainment and transport. that money might be provided to make Mr McFee: I wish to compliment you, that extra 4s. still effective. One other Your Excellency, an your Budget state- thing. With regard to that £80,000. If ment. You seem rather surprised, you remember last year, Your Excel- lency, you did the same thing. You The Lieutenant-Governor: From you, yes—(Laughter). made ample provision for development schemes, but do you remember that Mr McFee: With you having a good although you made this handsome pro- surplus, it might have been thought vision, yet at the end of the season there that you would be tempted to reduce was chaos and there was panic. For the taxation so that, as Mr Bolton put it, simple reason that although this provi- to show what a good fellow you are. sion had been made and schemes had Because the Chancellor of the Ex- been enumerated they had not been chequer, who reduces taxation, is always sanctioned by the Finance Committee of popular, But you have had more the Executive Council. To-day, we are wisdom and greater vision, and you in exactly the same position as last year. Provision is made in the Budget. His have reserved that in your accumulated Excellency has said "here is the money," fund, because you realise the necessary and yet we find that schemes have not development which must take been approved, although they have been place in hospitals drainage schemes, commended by members. Until they water and electricity extensions to the are approved, • negotiations cannot be country districts, and other national opened in connection with them, and enterprises which will be to the good of they cannot be made effective. These the Island generally. Because of that negotiation can take months, negotia- you should be complimented on your tions, say, on land, with owners of statesmanship and the way you have put property. We will find that the same over your Budget. Some people would panic and chaos as last year will take have slashed entertainment tax and place again at the end of this year. there have been suggestions about in- would urge the Executive Council Com- come tax. But I am concerned about mittee that deals with the approving of the people at the other end of the scale. these s :hemes to get on with the job at The old people. If I were to offer once. criticism of the Budget it is that some consideration might have been made for Mr Taggart: I feel I must congratulate the old people. Two years ago, I moved you, sir, on your statement for different a resolution that Tynwald be asked to reasons from those which have already recognise the cost of living here and been given, and that is that such a large particularly the cost of coal. Tynwald proportion has been directed to ways of recognised that. They made provision dealing with unemployment, because, that certain steps should be made to after all, in many respects, it is the most increase the allowance of the old age important problem before this Court. pensioner to meet the difference in the You say, on page 9 of your statement, cost of coal. For a short time, the old sir, "The Government cannot undertake age pensioners here, or certain classes; to close the gap completely by means of had the benefit of four shillings a week public works"—that is the gap between more than their counterpart in, England. the work available and the number of But when the amounts were altered in men seeking work—and you go on, sir, England, we did not alter them here. to say, "it would be raising false hopes So the extra benefit which we had to pretend that such a thing is possible." agreed to and extended to our old age Well I would say that every responsible pensioners has been wiped out. I feel trade union official or any responsible yet, Your Excellency, that you might Labour man would subscribe to that discuss the matter with the Executive viewpoint. So far as I know, no one haa

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ever expected that the Government of and apparently, Your Excellency, you the Isle of Man could produce work for have tried to make your objectives every man. available. You then, sir, go clear, but the issues still remain some- on to say "that the gap can be reduced," what confused. Now the hon. member for and here you are taking apparently a Rushen, Mr McFee has stated that the different line from the hon. member for machinery for dealing with unemploy- North Douglas, Mr Bolton, who relies ment is the same as last year—that a upon the writings of Macauley who had certain amount of money has been allo- the viewpoint that the Government cated in the Budget, and that the should keep in the background and method has remained the same although leave things to private enterprise. you evidently are not satisfied with it Lord Macauley was a great man because, as I see it, the Boards either who was speaking to a completely misunderstand your policy or lack different world from that which exists initiative. If that is the position the to-day— a world which will never approach to the unemployment prob- come back and, whether we like it or not lem must lie in the examination there are things which have to be done of the administrative machinery in- to-day which are completely beyond volved, and we shall not make any private enterprise. Unemployment prob- progress unless that be the case. lems, for instance, cannot be solved in We have had the Public Works Com- this Island eXclusively by private enter- mission superseded by the Local Gov- prise. Whatever political convictions ernment Board—although whether that you hold you have to accept the fact Board is making any better headway that that being so, the State must come do not know—but I would suggest, into the field, and the whole question is sir, that some attention be paid to the how it can play its part most effectively. administrative set-up as to whether some Further to examine your statement, sir, form of co-ordination ought to be taken. you state "there is any amount of work I think there might be a great deal of that wants doing in the Island, work of enlightenment if that course were taken. permanent benefit to the Island"; in other words, the gap can be reduced by The Attorney-General: Has .the hon. works and schemes to benefit the Island member studied page 9 of the statement. permanently. That is a very definite wherein it is stated that £164,000 is statement. available. Surely that figure should be given due weight. The Governor: As long as the money is available. Mr Taggart: I take it that you. Your Excellency, have also studied page 9 and Mr Taggart: Quite so, sir. Now, you you still are of the opinion that local say further on, "The people who know authorities and Boards are not approach- what work wants doing, and the people ing the matter in the way you would who will have to carry out the work if wish. funds are provided, are first and fore- most the Boards and local authorities," The Governor: I have told you in my but, for some reason or other, there statement what I have asked them to do, seems to be some confusion on the sub- and they are doing it this year. ject, because you say that the Boards Mr Taggart: Thank you, sir. If you and local authorities are approaching feel you have schemes ready which can the problem in a manner which is not be brought into effect at short notice, exactly the approach you wish them to rather than what happened last year, take and you go on." This is not what that is all that is worrying me. I want them to do," which appears, to me, to mean that you are confronted The Governor: I think I have suc- with some sort of administrative diffi- ceeded in making the position clear. culty. I have tried to emphasise, for Mr A. Cecil Teare: In the early part some time, that there does appear to of your speech, Your Excellency, you have been some administrative difficulty refer to the increase in salaries and

Manx Budget Proposals, 840 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 wages due to the rise in the cost of liv- introduced, and we still stay at that ing, a matter which I consider this figure. I consider in view of the ever- Court should regard as one of the most rising cost of living that it would be serious problems facing the Isle of Man reasonable if we decreed that surtax at the present time. We seem in this should not start until an income is small Island, to be at a disadvantage £3,000 or £3,500. I am sepaking compared with other countries. We purely from the point of view of have our agreements between employers attracting permanent residents—fami- and employees coupled with the fact that lies — to this Island, and they there is an additional cost of living to could be of inestimable value to us. If the extent of 4s. 6d. a week compared 1 may digress for a moment, only last with England. This is in complete con- .night some of us heard a most excellent trast with what is happening in the broadcast by Sir Ralph Stevenson on Channel Islands, which may well be the Home Service—it was typical of the looked upon as our chief competitors in sort of broadcast which would induce the Tourist Industry to-day. There, they people to come and live' here and take have their own Customs which lower an interest in our national life. I am the cost of living; petrol costs 2s per gal- satisfied we are losing the advantage of lon less than in the Isle of Man, and many residents who would become per- other commodities are also much manent because of the rising cost of liv- cheaper than in this Island. In the ac- ing, and I think it would be reasonable counts we have had in our hands for if Your ExcellencY took the view that the past few days, you have pointed out, the best way to counter-balance that Your Excellency, that we acquire our would be to give relief in income tax revenue in two ways, or rather two and surtax in order to attract more sources. Two of the three million people to come and live here. I notice, pounds we have at our disposal have further on, there are references to a cer- come from the Customs and Common tain matter regarding the structure of Purse system, and the other million income tax generally, which is to be re- pounds is from direct taxation which is ferred to the Income Tax Commission. under our own control. On the face of If this is so, I do hope most sincerely it, it would seem that the most part of that they will regard the position of tax our circumstances is entirely fortuitous; in the Isle of Man in cOmparison with that receipts from the Customs and the position which exists in the Channel Common Purse have exceeded our ex- Islands. The other point is the question pectations and our estimates so exten- of the cost of living on the Island, and sively, that we ought to have been able I would like to ask the question if we to afford some relief in direct taxation. have to wait until England 'moves in this Now, in this point I could not follow matter. Only yseterday it was an- the remarks of the hon. member for nounced that another country is going North Douglas, Mr Bolton, because he to deal with the problem by limiting the was going "backwards and forwards"- price of certain commodities, and in the (laughter)—but I would stress this with Isle of Man the prices which operate regard to the incidence of taxation. We to-day are certainly a matter causing have to compete with places like Jersey deep concern to many, as compared with in the Channel Island from the point of the price of commodities in many parts view of attracting permanent residents of England. I think it is high time that here, and I would stress to the Court the a Government Commission was ap- importance of these permanent residents pointed in the Isle of Man to go into coming to settle in the Isle of Man. Now the whole question. As I have said, it is the advantage at the present time, so a matter of urgent concern for all sec- far as taxation operates, lies with the tions of the community. Channel Island. They have no surtax to consider there; whilst we, in the Isle Mr Irving: Your Excellency, there is of Man, have stnrted surtax at £2,000 a small point which I cannot let pass, a year, I believe ever since surtax was and that is the fact that the balances

IVIanx Budget Proposals. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1950 841 in the Accumulated Fund at the 31st strikes me that Private enterprise does March, 1950, are given as £41,000. Now not appear to be able to get the men I believe that the purpose in showing it now, and there are no people doing re- at that figure is to draw people's atten- pairs to buildings as they used to do, be- tion to it. But I do feel that these are cause they cannot afford it. I think the supposed to be estimates of what the time has come when we should examine actual position will be, and it is wrong very closely this question, and to me it to deduct those items which have been seems pretty serious that we cannot get the men to do the work from the un- shown as special provision for future employed in the Island. schemes from the balance of the Accu- mulated Fund, when we know very well Mr Nivison: Do you want a wage re- that they will not be spent in the next duction for Government workers? year. Some of these items have never Mr Corkhill: No, sir, not by any even been discussed. For instance there means, and I do not want the hon. mem- is £100,000 for the Highway Board for ber to put words in my mouth which plant. That has never been discussed, I am quite capable of saying myself. But and in any case in the amount of I do think, Your Exceleney, the time has £395,000 for Noble's Hospital we know come when this question of employment the work will take place over five years. of labour should be examined, more We have not shown in the Accumulated closely. I am not the per son to suggest Fund the reservoir at Glen Rushen reducing the wages of any man, because which will cost £800,000 because there I believe in everyone having a fair is not enough money to show it. If we week's wages for a fair week's work. We are to inclUde all these items, which are talking about building a reservoir have not been agreed upon—and we do and one thing or another, but I think the not know if they are to be paid for from labOur is °he of the more serious things cash reserves or whether we are going to in your Budget, sir. borrow the money—I feel that the wrong Mr Taggart: it, goes deeper with the impression will be given to the public introduction of light industries. of this Island. We are going to spend £900,000 more than we receive when Mr Corkhill: I think, Your Excellency, we read this, but we know it is not the that it must be closely examined. case at all. This ,money cannot be spent Mr Gerrard: Firstly, Yo'br Excellency, in the next twelve months and it is ob- I would like to congratulate you on your vious that the balance will be nearer Budget statement. It was a clear and £400,000 than ..£41,000. The better way concise statement of affairs as seen is to show what we believe will be in through your eyes, and it indicates that the Accumulated Fund, and then have a you are not being blinded by figures. more-or-less permanent footnote saying But, this morning, there seems to be "we are also committed to the following some gloom in the Court. items." Mr A. Cecil Teare: Gloom? Mr Corkhill: There is just one point, Your Excellency, on which I should like Mr Gerrard: Yes, gloom. Everybody to say something. You spoke about the is moaning and groaning to-day to re- increase in the number of unemployed duce this and that. But I think we in the past winter, something like 200 have had a successful 12 months, and more than in the previous year, and I we should be pleased. feel, Your Excellency, there must be Mr Corkhill: Clap your hands. some reason for this. The Government Boards in the Island are beginning to be Mr Gerrard: So far as the business of the greatest competitors in employment the Island is concerned you should all and I just wonder whether we shall see look very happy, because to-day the the day when the Government will take Island's finances are in a sound condi- over all the labour in the Island. It tion.

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Mr A. Cecil Teare: It's all right services, the health services, and giving saying that. the old people a standard of comfort which was not known 20 years ago. Mr Gerrard: I know it's all right. And there is no reason to suggest that Mr A. Cecil Teare: What about the it will be anything but otherwise in the price of coal? future. We have had these predictions of gloom in the past. After all, in 1952, Mr Gerrard: I can still hear the Your Excellency, when you first came to niggling behind me about the price of the Island, things were beginning to look coal. Although I agree that prices have a bit sick. But we have got over those gone up we have endeavoured to keep wages and salaries in step. They have difficulties. kept in step all along the line. I admit Mr A. Cecil Teare: Have we? that difficulties may have arisen but they Mr Gerrard: Yes, we have, and I do have been overcome. I cannot for the life of me understand why there is gloom not know why we should be panicked about this country's state of affairs. in the Court this morning. Now, Your Excellency, I admit that it has been This Island is a most peculiar country. difficult to follow some of the speeches (Laughter.) Not only are some of its and serrie of the criticisms asking for people peculiar—(renewed laughter)— fin ther tax concessions. The hon. mem- but it is peculiar because it has to deal ber for North Douglas, Mr Bolton, men- with a situation which.does not arise in tioned the entertainments tax. I dare- many other countries in the world. We say we could do without it. Also, the are entirely dependent on one industry hon. member for Middle spoke about it, —an industry that functions for 10 to 12 but you gave a clear statement about weeks, and it presents great difficulties that particular tax in your comments in its way.. In England there are so this morning. I look upon it this way: many matters to budget for year after we could do away with entertainments year and they always know where the tax without it being missed, but we can money is coming from year to year. use that money to further the visiting As a holiday resort the picture here industry. (Hear, hear.) I consider is different. • We are dependent on re- that is a very wise move; if we are get- ting £35,000 to £40,000 from entertain- ceipts from the Common Purse and ments tax and that money can be in- that means that we are dependent fused into the visiting industry we are on the prosperity of another coun- doing a good thing. Ali the money we try. Other countries are not, and spend is the money we receive from it is this which brings diffifficulties taxes. The tax is on a low scale, and it which are not faced by many other is not putting any great hardship on any countries in this world. An hon. mem- individual in the Isle of Man. Mention ber has referred to Jersey, but there th6 has been made that heavy oils should be situation is entirely different. Certainly reduced or the duty aboilished. I can- we cannot compare Jersey with the Isle not follow that line of argument at all. of Man, and to suggest that we should We already have the greatest difficulty enumerate all that Jersey does is wrong. in the transport undertakings of the It would be nice if we had the faciliites Isle of Man Railway and the Manx Elec- that Jersey has got, but there is such a tric Railway. If you are going to cut thing as weather, which is one of the down the expenses of the road transport biggest single factors of all. Now, Your people, so that they can cut prices, you Excellency, I consider that the Isle of would put the other two concerns corn- Man within the last few years has done peletely out of balance. I will admit more for its people than any other coun- that transpert charges are extremely try can claim to have done with its heavy, but then so is everything else. earning capacity. There are the social But it would put everything out of

Manx Budget Proposals. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE -19, 1956 843 balance if there was a reduction in the Amendrnsint Act, 1956, and to the duty on heavy oils. With regard to the Licensing (No. 2) Act. 1956. Do I under- unemployment situation, Your Excel- stand that those two Acts are now lency, that is something that we will operative from this moment? always have when seasonal occupations create this difficulty. I think that the The Attorney-General: Yes, that is so. as soon as His Excellency has announced way the situation is being budgeted for the Royal Assent in Tynwald. this year will be quite successful in corn- -batting the difficulty this winter, pro- Deemster Cowley: It means you can viding these things can be put into have an hour longer than usual to-night. operation at a time which is opportune. (Laughter.) Money has also to be found to finance these schemes, and we talk of reductions The Governor: I will now adjourn the of taxes. We are going to be back in Court .and we will resume again at 2-30 the position in that case of saying, "You p.m. when I will take the petitions. cannot have these schemes because there Tynwald adjourned .for the lunch in- is no money." I am delighted with the terval and resumed at 2-20 p.m, - financial stability as it is seen by you, Your Excellency, and I hope that our finances will be as sound in future as they are to-day. PETITIONS. The Governor: There are no ques- tions. I will now proceed with the BILLS FOR SIGNATURE. petitions at Item 15 on the Supplement- ary Agenda. Item 1, petition of the The following Bills were presented for Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses of the signature: The National Assistance (Isle borough of Douglas to rescind the bye- of Man) Bill; the Local Government law creating one-way traffic in Upper St. (Registration of Voters and Election by George's Street, Douglas. I call on the Ballot) (No. 2) Bill; the Slaughterhouses chairman of the Local Government Bill. Board. Mr Crellin: This relates to the rescind- ing of a bye-law relating to St. George's ANNOUNCEMENT OF ROYAL Street and Circular Road, Douglas, and ASSENT. I am sure hon, members, knowing the The Governor: The Bills having been situation, will be very glad that the Cor- signed, I have the honour to announce to poration are doing away with this one- Tynwald, in accordance with the terms way street regulation. There are three of section 2 of the Acts of Tynwald such bye-laws relating to Douglas, and (Emergency Promulgation) Act, 1916, we are asking that No. 3 be rescinded. that the Royal Assent was given to the I beg to move that the prayer of the following Acts on the 16th May, 1956:— petition be and the same is hereby Isle of Man Contribution Act, 1956; granted. Water (Supply) Act, 1956; and to the fol- Mr Bolton: I second that. lowing Acts on 1st June 1956; Law Re- form (Enforcement of Contracts) Act, Agreed. . [956; Shop Hours Amendment Act, 1956; The -Governor: No. 2. Petition of the Old Age Pensions, Family Allowances, Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses of the and National Insurance (Isle of Man) borough of Douglas for authority to Act, 1956; Licensing (No. 2) Act, 1956. borrow £6,185 at a rate of interest not Mr Quayle: May I ask Your Excellency exceeding £4 10s per centum per annum, for some information for the public? It 'repayable within a period of 30 years refers particularly to the Shop Hours from the date of borrowing, for the pur-

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chase and demolition of property in The Attorney-General: I beg to move: Shaw's Brow. I call on the chairman of 1. That in lieu of Duties of Customs charge- the Local Government Board. able under section 1 of the Isle of Man (Customs) Act, 1946. on tobacco removed or Mr Crellin: Your Excellency, this re- imported into the Isle of Man, there shall on lates to borrowing powers in connection and after the 19th day of April 1956, until with cerain property in Shaw's Brow the 1st day of August, 1957, be charged on the removal or importation into the Isle of Man area. The Corporation are asking for the following Duties of Customs respectively, borrowing powers, and page 4 of the re- that is to say:— port deals with the actual purchase of Not being the property. Most of it was acquired Being - an an under the 10 years' rateable valuation. Empire Empire The Board were .unanimously agreed Description of Tobacco product product that the Corporation should have this per lb. per lb. area cleared. I understand that this has £ s d £ s d Tobacco. immanfactured: been done and that part of it is now Containing 10 lbs. or being used by members of the legal pro- more of moisture in fession as a car park. (Laughter,) I every 100 lbs. weight beg to move that the prayer of the peti- thereof- Unstripped 3 1 2 2 19 71 tion be and the same is hereby granted. Stripped 3 1 2r 2 19 7) Agreed. Containing less than 10 lbs. of moisture in The Governor: No, 3. Petition of the every 100 lbs. weight Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses of the thereof- Borough of Douglas for authority to bor- Unstripped 3 2 2 3 0 51 row £24,000, at a rate of interest not ex- Stripped 3 2 21 2 0 7) ceeding £4 lOs per centum per annum, Tobacco. manufacturer, repayable within various periods from viz.: seven to 40 years, for normal extensions Cigars 311 1 38 to the electricity undertaking. I call on Cigarettes 3 6 8 3 4 31 the chairman of the Local Government Cavendish' or Negrohead 3 5 8 3 3 5 Board. Cavendish or Negrohead manufaeturerd in bond 3 3 13 3 1 81 Mr Crellin: This is the annual budget Other manufactured to- of the Electricity Department of the bacco 3311 3 111) Corporation. The amount approximates Snuff: to that of previous years. The amount Containing more Alan 13 is for the purchase of cookers and the lbs. of moisture in extension of their high tension areas. every 100 lbs. weight 3 3 2 3 1 3) The details are set out on page 2 of the thereof Containing not more report. It sounds like a lot of money, than 13 lbs. of mois- but the Corporation have a similar bud- ture in every 100 lbs. get each year and there is very little to weight thereof 3 5 8 3 3 5 say about it. I beg to move that the In this resolution, the expression "Empire product" has the same meaning as in section prayer of the Petition be and the same 5 of the Isle of Man (Customs) Act, 1919, as is hereby granted. amended by any subsequent enactment. Agreed. The expression "stripped tobacco- means tobacco of which the leaf is not complete by reason of the removal of the stalk or midrib. or of some portion thereof, but tobacco shall DUTIES OF CUSTOMS—CUSTOMS not be deemed to be stripped tobacco solely RESOLUTION, 1956. by reason of its having been subjected to such process of butting as the Commissioners may The Governor: We will now turn to allow. the main agenda. Item No. 3, Duties of 2. That in lieu of the Duties of Customs chargeable under section 3 of the Isle of Man Cvstorns (Isle of Man)—Customs Resolu- (Customs) Act. 1949. on sweets removed or tion, 1956. I call on the learned imported into the Isle of Man, there shall on Attorney-General. and after the 15th day of May. 1956. until

Duties of Customs—Customs Resolution, 1956, TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 845 the first day of August, 1957. be payable on Silk and artificial silk the removal or importation of sweets into the and articles made Isle of Man the following Duties of Cus- wh011y or In part toms— of silk or artificial (a) in the case of sparkling sweets, not ex- silk Section 7 of the Act of ceeding 27 dogrees proof spirit, a duty at 1925. as amended by the rate of one pound eight shillings per section 8 of the Act gallon: of 1926, section 9 of the second Act of (13) in the case of sparkling sweets, exceed- 1932. section 4 of the ing 27 degrees proof spirit. a duty at the Act of 1933, section rate of one pound sixteen shillings per 3 of the Act of 1936, gallon, section 3 of the Act (c) in the case of other sweets not exceeding of 1937, section 4 of 27 degrees proof spirit, a duty at the rate the Act of 1947, and of ten shillings per gallon; sub - section (2) of section 5 of the Act (d) in the case of other sweets, exceeding 27 of 1948, degrees proof spirit, at a duty at the rate of one pound ten shilling per gallon. Spirits ...... „..., Section 2 of the Act of 1948. In this resolution, the expression "sweets" means any liquor which is made in Great. Sugar, Molasses. Glu- Britain or Northern Ireland from fruit and cose and Saccharin Section 1 of the Act of sugar. or from fruit or sugar mixed with any 1954. Other material, and which has undergone a Tea Section 1 of the Act of process of fermentation in the manufacture 1949. thereof,- and includes British wines, made Wines Section 2 of the Act of wines. mead and metheglin, and also includes 1949. cider or perry of fifteen degrees of proof or greater strength, unless it has undergone no (2) Where any enactment set out in the other process than a single process of fer- second column of the foregoing table con- mentation. was made from apple or pear juice fers power on the Governor to make orders which at the beginning of that process was varying or repealing the Duties of Customs in its natural state, and contains no ethyl payable on the goods referred to in that en- alcohol derived from other materials. actment or imposing a new duty on such goods, the provisions of that enactment re- 3 (1) Subject to the provisions of this para- lating to the said poWer shall continue in graph. the Duties of Customs imposed on force until the said 1st day of August, 1957, goods removed or imported into the Isle of and the foregoing provisions of this para- Man, being goods of the description set out graph shall have effect subject to any orders in the first column of the following table, by made in pursuance of any such power the Isle of Man (Customs) Act set out in the (weather before or after the coming into second column of that table, shall continue force of this resolution) which are for the to be- payable until the 1st day of August time being in force. 1957. 4. The following sub-section shall be sub- TABLE stituted for sub-section (6) of section 10 of Enactment Imposing the Isle of Man (Customs) Act, 1933 (which extends Empire preference to goods of Description of Goods Duty Rhodesia and Nyasaland consigned from Ale and Beer Section 3 of the Act of Beira)— 1950, "(6) Goods shown to the satisfaction of the Cocoa Section 4 of the Act of Commissioners to have been consigned from 1924. the port of Beira or Lonrenco Marques in Portugese East Africa and have been grown. Dried Fruit- Section 3 of the Act of produced or manufactured in the Federa- 1954. tion of Rhodesia and Nyasaland or in the Hops and extracts. Bechuanaland protectorate, or to have been essences and other consigned from the port of Lou renco similar preparations Marques and to have been grown, produced (other than hop oil) or manufactured in the Union of South made from hops ,. Section 5 of the Act of Africa or - in Swaziland, shall be treated for 1925. • •. the purpose of this set4,ion and of section Hop Oil Section 3 of the Act of 3 of the First Act of 1932 as if they had 1929. been consigned from a part of the British Empire." Matches Section 1 of the Act of 5, If the Importer of any gOodS, being films, 1951. film-strips, micro-films or sound recordings Mechanical Lighters Section 5 of the Act of produced by the United Nations or one of 1949. as amended by Its specialised agencies, makes an application section 1 of the Act in that behalf to the Commissioners of Cus- of 1953. toms and Excise before delivery of the goods

Duties of Custoins—Customs Resolution, 1956. 846 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 from Customs charge. the Commissioners on DUTY ON MANX BREWED ALE being furnished by the importer with a cer- tificate issued by the United Nations or one OR BEER of those agencies to the effect that the goods The Governor: Item No. 4. I call on have been so produced and are of an educa- tional, scientific or cultural character, shall the learned Attorney-General. remit or repay any duty of Customs charge- able on the goods in respect of— The Attorney-General : I beg to (a) 'the duties chargeable under Part I of the move:— Isle of Man (Customs Act.1932; or That the duties in respect of all beer brewed (b) the duties chargeable on silk or artificial for sale in this Isle, imposed by resolution silk or articles made wholly or in part of Tynwald on the 21st day of June, 1950, of silk or artificial silk: or shall continue to be charged, levied and paid as from the 1st day of August. 1956. until (c) the duties chargeable under section 13 of the 1st day of August, 1957. the Isle or Man f Customs) Act. 1926. 6. This resolution may be cited as the Isle This resolution continues in force for of Man (Customs) Resolution, 1959. another year the rate of duty on Manx- It is Further Resolved—That it is ex- brewed ale or beer at the current figure pedient that the Isle of Man (Customs) Re- solution, 1956. should, if confirmed under the of £8 2s. bd. for 36 gallons at the specific Tse of Man (Customs) Act, 1955, take effect gravity. of 1,055 degrees. This rate has as past of the law concerning Customs Duties not changed since June, 1950. The esti- In the Isle of Man. • mated yield of £198,000 is £5,000 in There is a slight error in the printing. excess of last year's estimate, but £4,600 Where it gives the description of tobacco less than the realised sum for 1955-56. and it says tobacco manufactured, that By virtue of the Licensing No. 2 Act, I should be unmaaufactured. So far as expect that the increase will be repre- this resolution is concerned it continues sented by the country districts. Let us the present duty at the same rates hope it will—(Laughter). except with regard to the new rates for The resolution was agreed. tobacco, which are set out in sub- paragraph 1 of the resolution, and which were increased in the United Kingdom INCOME TAX RATES Budget on April 19th, 1956. The receipts are as set out on page 10, Appendix A. The Governor: Item No. 5. I call of the estimates, and including purchase on the learned Attorney-General. tax, they are estimated to produce The Attorney-General: I beg to £2,300,100. This is the form of order move:— which will be embodied in the Schedule. Whereas by section I of the Income Tax It is very detailed and the Order (No. 1) Act. 1954. it is enacted that the stan- confirms it dard rate of income tax to be levied shall be • determined by resolution of Tynwald. Mr Bolton : Would the Attorney- Resolved.—That for the year commencing Gcneral explain what difference there is the 6th day of April, 1956, and ending the 5th under the Isle of Man Customs Act, day of April, 1957. the standard rate of in- come tax shall be the rate o14..s 6d in the R. 1955. Has this ever been done before? It is a different form of resolution' Your Excellency. The standard rate of entirely. tax is continued at 4s. 6d. in the Z. If the hon. members refer to. page 46 of the The Attorney-General: There is very Estimates they will get all the details. little difference between the two. The estimated receipts, allowing for the Formerly it would come under an Act of increased allowances, proposed by His the Imperial Parliament The matter Excellency, are set out .ori that page and would be discussed elsewhere, probably it will be seen that they total £438,000, at our expense. Instead of that that is £2000 below last year's estimate procedure the duties are now in this and over £52,000 less than the realised resolution. receipts, £490.000. " The resolution was agreed. The resolution was agreed,

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INCOME TAX — NON-RESIDENTS In respect of the first £2,000 of total in- come—nil. The Governor: Item No. 6. I call on In respect of the excess over £2,000— the learned Attorney-General. For every £1 of the first £500 of the The Attorney-General I beg to excess-10d. move;— For every El Of the next £500 of the excess-1s fid. Whereas by section 4 of the Income Tax For every £1 of the next £1,000 of the Act. 1946, it is enacted that, in respect of excess-2s 6d. the income tax year commencing the 6th day of April, 1946. and any subsequent income For every £1 of the next £1,000 of the tax year. income tax shall be payable on excess-3s 4d. every £ of taxable income derived by any For every £1 of the next £1,000 of the person not residing in this Island or any asso- exeess-45 2d. ciation not registered in this Island, from any For every £.1 or the next £2,000 of the trade, profession, employment or vocation excess-5s. carried on by any such person or association For every £1 of the next £2,000 of the in this Island, and from any other source excess-5s lid. within this Island, at such rates as may be For every £1 of the next £5,000 of the determined by resolution of Tynwald with excess—Os 3d. respect to such year. For every £1 of the next £5,000 of the Resolved,—That for the year commencing excess-6S 101,d. the 6th day of April, 1956, and ending the 5th day of April, 1957, the income tax payable For ever- £1 of remainder of the excess on every £ of taxable income derived by any —7s 6d. person not residing in this Island, or any association not registered in this Island, from This also appears on page 46. The rates any trade, profession, employment or vocation of surtax as set out in this resolution are carried on by such person or association in the same as for last year and it is anti- this Island shall be at the rate of 4s 6c1 iii the £. and from any other source within the cipated will produce a sum of £90,000 Island. at the rate of 3s 6d in the £. compared with last year's estimate of The non-residents rate of tax continues £85,000 and actual receipts of just under at 4/6 in the £ in respect of income £99,000. arising from any trade, profession, em- Mr Bolton: With regard to rates Of ployment, etc., within the Isle of Man, surtax, I would like to suggest that there and 3/6 in the X in respect of unearned income. The estimated receipts for the is a case, as mentioned by the hon. current year amount to £95,000, which member for Ayre this morning, that is £13,000 in excess of last year's esti- • these be reconsidered. They might well mate but £66,000 below the actual receive the sympathetic consideration of receipts for the past year, when a con- the Court for the future. Surtax was siderable amount of arrears were col- introduced long, long ago, when £2,000 lected. was the equivalent of £3500 or £4,000 The resolution was agreed. to-day, and it was suggested then that people should he assessed over and above the ordinary income tax. The dice has been loaded all the time against INCOME TAX—SURTAX RATES a certain type of taxpayer. As salaries The Governor: Item No. 7. I call . on have increased due to the gradual reduc- the learned Attorney-General. tion in value of money surtax is hitting people. The rate has also been increased The Attorney-General; I beg to from 8d. to 10d. I am not saying that move :— something should be done just at this Whereas it is provided by section 90 of the Income Tax Act, 1946. that Tynwald may, by point, but I think we could very well resolution, in respect of any income tax year, give consideration in the future to fixing resolve that the rate of surtax for such year the point at which it is payable at shall be at such rates are shall be specified in £3,000. such resolution. Resolved,—That for the year commencing The Attorney-General: It is a matter the 6th day of April, 1956, and ending the 5th day of April. 1957, the rates of surtax shall which His Excellency will be referring be as follows:— to the Income Tax Commission who will

Income Tax—Non-residents.—Income Tax—Surtax Rates. 848 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 be going into other matters which might Adulteration, etc.. Acts ,. £3,800 result in the simplification of the collec- Children Acts 4.000 tion of taxes. Civil Registration Acts 2.700 Cruelty to Animals Act 25 The resolution was carried. Dangerous Goods Act ...... ,„.., 25 Food Regulation Act 25 Gas Regulation Acts 25 EXPENSES OF LEGISLATURE— Inquest of Death Acts 350 £20,000 VOTED Pensions. 'Meritorious Service) Act 150 Pensions (Increase) Acts 5,000 The Attorney-General : I beg to Port Erin Biological Station and Fish move:— Hatchery Act 1,200 Postcard Censorship Act That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be 50 a,uthorised to apply. from the current revenue Probation of Offenders Act 50 of- this Isle, a sum not exceeding £20.000, for Public Authorities Acquisition of the purpose of defraying during the year end- Land Acts 400 ing 31st March. 1957, the expenses of the Rating and Valuation Act, 1953 Legislature. 30,01)0 Representation of the People Act 10,000 Legislative expenses for the current year Superannuation (Officers of Boards) are estimated at £20,000, which is the Acts 5,200 same figure included in 1955/56. Some Tithe Act, 1946 1,000 details of the expenditure are set out in appendix 6 at page 17 of the Estimates. £54,000 The resolution was agreed. Details will be found in appendi t 8 on pages 17 and 18 of the Estimates, where EXPENSES OF UNATTACHED it will be seen that the estimated ex- OFFICERS—VOTE FOR £2,020 penditure is £64,000, an increai:e ot £12;000 on the current year's estimate. The Attorney-General: I beg to Provision has had to be made under the move:— Representation of the People Act fur the That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be General Election to be held in November authorised to apply, from the current revenue of this Isle. a sum not exceeding £2.020 for next, and the provision under the Rating the purpose of defraying during the year end- and Valuation Act was been increased ing 31st March. 1957, salaries of unattached by £2,000 to £30,000 as a result of the officers, increase in the education rate and an The estimated cost of salaries of un- increase is also anticipated under. the. attached officers at £2,020 is £620 in Superannuation (Officers of Boards) excess of last year's estimate of £1,400. Acts. The increased cost is . due to recent increases 'granted to the Clerk of the Justices and to the six Coroners together with the provision for a lockman for MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES — Middle. £12,000 VOTED The resolution was agreed. The AttorneY-General: I creg to move:— That the Tritasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply, from the current revenue EXPENSES UNDER MISCELLANEOUS of this Isle. during the year ending 31st STATUTES—£64,000 VOTED March.. 1957, a sum not exceding £13,000 for the purpose of defraying the expenditure to The Attorney-General : I beg to be incurred in connection with the follow- move:— ing services:— That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Compensation In Dry Cleaning Indus- authorised to apply, from the current revenue try (Grant S to Insular firms engaged of this Isle. during the year ending 31st in the Dry Cleaning Industry, in re- March. 1957, a sum not exceeding £64,000 for spect to the duty paid "on such the purpose of defraying the expenditure to "White Spirit" removed or imported be incurred In conneetion with the follow- into this Island as has been used by ing services:— thein in the industry) £500

Expenses of Legislature—£20,000 Voted.—Expenses of Unattached Officers—' Vote for £2,020.—Expenses Under Miscellaneous Statutes—E64,000 Voted. Miscellaneous Services-2.13,000 Voted. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 649

Harbour Dues—refund of 200 cooks for the visiting industry. Provi- Miscellaneous Charges 1.500 sion for the training of cooks in 1955/56 Printing and Advertising 400 was the subject of a special vote taken Overseas Settlement Scheme 800 in December, 1955. It is understood that Government Hospitality and Enter- tainment 400 this scheme has been most successful Manxmark Committee 200 and it is intended to continue the train- Heat Treatment of Milk 9,000 ing of cooks during the coming year. £13,000 The resolution was carried.

Details of the miscellaneous services will be found in appendix 9 on page 19 of SCHEDULED ROADS Or LOCAL the Estimates, and are estimated at AUTHORITIES—£.29,725 VOTED £13,000 in the current year, compared with £12,900 for 1955-56, Provision fo The Attorney-General: I beg to £200 is included for the expenses of the move:— Ma nxma rk Committee. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply, from the current revenue Mr Bolton: Can I ask about the item of this Isle, during the year ending 31st of harbour dues, £200. Oh, I see. It is March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £29,725 to for the industry. provide— (a) 75 per cent., (b) 60, per cent., and (c) 50 per cent, of the cost of mainten- The Attorney-General: It is an ance of scheduled roads in the town and adjusted figure. village districts. The specifications and esti- mates for the maintenance of such roads to be The resolution was carried. approved by the Isle of Man Highway and Transport Board. Payment of contributions to be made on the certificate of the Surveyor General as to the value of the work corn- EMPLOYMENT EXCHANGE— pleted. £11,075 VOTED let Class Roads (75 per cent, grants)— The Attorney-General: I beg lo Douglas Corporation £12.444 move:— Ramsey Commissioners 1,164 That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Peel Commissioners 345 authorised to apply, from the current revenue Castletown Commissioners 1,974 of this Isle, during the year ending 31st Port Erin Commissioners 913 March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £11,075 for Port St. Mary Commissioners 595 the purpose of defraying the expenditure to be incurred in connection with the following £17,435 services:— (a) Expenses of the Employment Ex- 2nd Class Roads (60 per cent. grants)— change 48,475 Douglas Corporation £9,447 (b) Building Trades Council 550 Ramsey Commissioners 1,930 (c) -National Service (Armed Forces) Peel Commissioners 108 Act 900 Castletown Commissioners 40 (d) Disabled Persons (Employment) Port Erin Commissioners 138 Act 250 Port St. Mary Commissioners 318 (e) Assistance for persons entering employment in the United King- £11.981 dom 500 (f) Training of Cooks 400 3rd Class Roads (60 per cent. grants)— Ramsey Commissioners £220 £11,075 Port Erin Commissioners 80 Port St. Mary Commissioners 9 Details of the expenditure estimated at £11,075 will be found in appendix 10 at E309 page 19 of. the. Estimates. The total Total: 429.725 provision included in 1955/56 was £9,500. The increase of £1,575 is caused by increased salaries and general Details of the expenditure are shown administrative expenses and also a sum in the resolution and are included at of £400 is provided for the training of Appendix II on page 20 of the Estimates

Employment Exchange—£11.075 Voted.—Scheduled Roads of Local Authorities - —£29,725 Voted. 850 TYNwALD COURT, JUNE 19, 195(3 where it will be seen that the current We have found it necessary to make ad- year's estimated expenditure of £29,725 justments. These adjustments have is slightly over £1,000 in excess of last been made in the ploughing-up grant. If year's estimate of £29,580. the present Board is in being next year, The resolution was carried. I think there will be a change in this. Instead of ploughing-up grants, we will be asking for a grant for the sowing-up of grass, Which we think is the best prin- BOARD OF AGRICULTURE AND ciple. ihat has been voiced by Mr • FISHERIES—E222,425 VOTED Uorkhi11 in this Court many times. I Mr R. C. Cannel: I beg to move:— tnirik that change is likely to take place. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Under tatstock headage, we decided to atrthorised to apply from the current increase it to £5,000. Under the fat- revenue of this Isle. during the year ending stock scheme and the cattle rearing sub- 71st March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £222,425 for the purpose of defraying the ex- sidy scheme we have also included a new penditure to be incurred in connection with scheme of £8 per head for cows kept the following services:— under certain conditions. In connection (al Board of Agriculture and with the calf-rearing subsidy scheme, Fisheries— they have to be approved by Your Excel- (i) Administrative Ex- lency. And you will be asked to ap- penses £5,250 prove that all.steer calves presented for (Hi Agricultural Educa- tions and Publicity 1.500 subsidy must be de-horned as shortly £0,750 after birth as possible, or immediately (b) Collection of Agricultural Returns 50 after importation. We have found • 1,0-Diseases of Animals (Prevention) that because of shortage of labour, they Act 25,000 house these cattle in loose-boxes. Im- (di 'Agricultural Marketing Act 400 (e) Agricultural and Rural Industries mediately they buy steer cattle, they Act 800 have them de-horned. Some of them (1)• Agricultural Wages (Regulation) are tWo to three years. It is rather Act 350 cruel. We all know what it is like if we (g) Grant to Liverpool University re -William Herdman" 400 have a cut finger and we get cold (h) Grant in aid of Milk Recording 150 weather. We don't want to interfere, (it Improvement of Livestock 2.500 however, with the heifer calves, but the (j) Ploughing Grant 26.250 steer calves should be de-horned at (1.0 Fatstock Headage Payment 20.000 birth. That has to be approved by Your (11 Provision of Lime and other Fer- tilisers 41 500 Excellency, but it will not come into (m) Agricultural Drainage and Hedg- effect until the first inspection. The ing Scherries 15,000 calves have to be nine months old before (n) Destruction of Hooded Crows 25 they are inspected. I don't think there lot Cattle Rearing Subsidy Scheme 4.500 is very much else to . express any (o) Calf Rearing Subsidy Scheme 40.000 (q) Mixed Crop and Barley Subsidy opinion on. On pages 20 and 21, there is Scheme 10.000 an item which has been Missed—£.4,250, (el 'Guaranteed Price for Wool 3.000 which brings the total to £.227,275. tel Extermination of Rabbits ..... 750 There is also the expenses—£5,200—in- (t) Disposal of Surplus Milk 15.400 cursed in the following services, grants (u) Milk Subsidy 1.500 (v) Sale of Were and Sub - Ware and loans to fishermen. We give a loan Potatoes 100 and a grant, free of interest, to fisher- (w) Fisheries 5.000 - men who decide to purchase new boats.'. If there are any questions, I will be £222.425 pleased to answer them.. and (ii) from the funds standing to the credit Mr Irvfng: May I ask the chair-ft-Ian of of the Isle of Man Accumulated Fund, a sum not exceeding £5.000 to defray the expendi- the Board, as one who is interested in ture incurred in lie following service:— the prosperity of agriculture, in spite of Grants and T-oans to Fishermen .... .C.5.1100 he unsympathetic attitude of many of

Board of Agriculture and Fisheries—£222,425 Voted. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 g5I

the country members, what has hap- ceived an audited balance sheet this pened to the report of Sir James Scott year, and .1 have no idea whether there Watson. I believe it was presented in is a profit or a loss. October, 1955, and it contained many re- Mr Crellin: But they are bound to commendations. Secondly, I wonder if issue a balance sheet? the chairman could tell me what has been the profit in the first year of the Mr H. C. Cannell: Yes, they must issue Fatstock Marketing Corporation, I ask. a balance sheet to the Fatstock Market- that remark because, in the course of the ing Association, and I believe they are debate on meat prices last year, His to produce to copy to His Excellency, Honour Deemster Cain said that the ac- and the Board has asked His Excellency counts and expenses of the Corporation to see that they may have a copy. would be submitted, and that would ob- Mr Radcliffe: I do not want to conk viously enable the Government to con- tiadict the chairman of the Board, but sider whether the terms of the contract in the determination last year I think should be revised. it was omitted, and it was decided that Deeenster Cowley: I would like to ask the Fatstock Marketing Corporation what is the position of the report of Sir "may" and not "shall" submit a balance James Peacock on milk. sheet. . Mr R. C. Cannell: In answer to Deem- The Attorney-General: They will sub- ster Cowley first. That has been pro- mit one next year. gressing, but it is not a scheme that can Mr Radcliffe: But last year it was be put into operation in five minutes. omitted. There is a great lot of detail to be The Attorney-General: That is not worked out. We have been in negotia- correct. tion with the Isle of Man Dairies, but they are not too well disposed to sell The resolution was carried. out. At the moment, they have an in- terim report which has received the blessing of the Board and which has £2,200 FOR CRANSTAL TRENCH. been submitted to His Excellency. They intend to implement this in the interim Mr R. C. Cannell: I beg to move the period before they put into being the following resolution:— Pc'acock report. They intend to imple- That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be ment the scheme by July 1st, when all authorised to apply, from the current revenue of this Isle, during the year ending 31st the milk in the Island will be bought and March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £2,200 for sold, to the distributors. the purpose of defraying expenditure to be incurred in connection with the improvement A Member: July 1st next year of the Cranstal Trench. Mr R. C. Cannel]: No, this year. As This sum was voted last year, but, un- regards the remarks of the hon. member fortunately, it was not spent. There was for North Douglas, Mr Irving, the Scott some difficulty in getting the various Watson report was a report to the Board owners to agree, and I have sympathy of Agriculture. It was requested by His with them because, when we submitted Excellency, who wanted a report from the scheme, it was understood that the an expert, which report should be made work would be carried out by men with to him. There is no necessity, there- spades. There is a deep ravine in this fore, for the report to come before Tyn- trench and if the work was carried out wald, but the Board have many of its by mechanical means it would be apt to suggestions in being and are implement- dig out the sides, now composed of grass ing many others. Now, with regard to and bent and Jet free running sand, and the profits of the Fat Stock Marketing we know that that would gradually fill Corporation. I am not in a position to tip. We had to come to some agreement say anything now. We have not yet re- with the Highway Board that in that

£2,200 for Cranstal Trench.

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part of the trench which would be so the Schools Meals Catering Service. affected the work would be done by men Now the Employment Advisory Commit- with spades. That is the reason the tee— work has not proceeded up to now. Mr Irving: Are you replying to me? Mr A. Cecil Teare seconded, and the Mr Nivison: Yes. I am allowed to, resolution was agreed. Your Excellency? His Excellency nodded assent. £301,430 FOR BOARD OF EDUCATION. Mr Nivison: Because I have knowledge of the matter. We had consultations Mr Crowe: Acting for the chairman with the Board of Education. of the Board, Mr Corlett, who is indis- posed, I beg to move the following Mr Bolton: When? resolution:— Mr Nivison: This winter. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Mr Irving: We are talking about the authoriSed to apply, from the current revenue of this Isle, during the year ending 31st recommendation of the Visiting Industry March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £301,430 for Commission. the ,purpose of defraying the expenditure to be incurred in connection with the following Mr Nivison: Yes, and the matter is services:— under consideration. I was a member (a) Public Education £296,860 also of the Tourist Industry Commission, (b) Education (Young People's wel- and I think, with other members of the fare) Act. 1944 4,870 Court, I was as anxious as anyone.to get something *done. It was to give more £301,430 power to something that had already been started; that was the main purpose These are the figures which were dis- of the recommendation ,and I feel sure cussed by the Court in March last and that the Education Authority are just as I have nothing further to add. •anxious that this technical education Mrs Bridson seconded. •should take place, and we know further Mr Irving: I would like to ask the consultations will take place between the acting-chairman what action is being Employment Advisory Committee and taken by the Board of Education to im- the Board o Education, with the Direc- plement paragraph (c) of the Visiting tor and Principal of the College of Industry Commission's Report which re- Domestic Science. The first course has commended the training of waitresses, been an undoubted success. The only waiters, secretaries, and the necessity for pity is that we could not train more technical training in connection with the initially. industry. I am wondering whether any Mr Irving: I hardly know, sir, whether action has been taken in the matter from that is a sufficient reply. The hon., the time the Court agreed on the recom- member is not a member of the Educa- mendation on April 18th last. tion Board. Have the Employment Ad- Mr Nivison: On that matter, the Em- visory Committee taken the matter over ployment Advisory Committee did come from them? into this question of training cooks and Mr Nivison: We are working in con- so on, and during the last winter 20 junction. That is the correct wording. cooks were trained, or the training is about to be completed and all of them Mr Irving: It is an unsatisfactory state have been readily taken up. The pity of affairs. No member of the Board of of it is that we had not the facilities to Education appears to know what is the train more, but these were not available. position. The Education Authority could only take Mrs Bridson: The Board of Education a certain number for this first year at are not in a position to know the finer the College of Domestic Science and in details; it is the 'Education Authority

£301,430 for Board of Education. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 853 who deal with the scheme, and they are (c) Maintenance and Recon- struction of Third-class willing to work in conjunction with the Scheduled Roads 7,525 Employment Advisory Committee, and (d) Provisional allowance for they have plans for the coming winter. possible Private Street Works 500 Mr Alfred .J. Teare: This scheme was (e) Improvements to Lhen and stalled late in the year and we were Killane Trench 7,500 able to train only 20. If we have the (f) Marine Drive 2,000 (g) Supplementary Grant £4,309 backing of the Education Authority we — • -- 497.395 will be able to train 50 people next (h) Land Drainage Act— winter. (i) Sulby• River — diver- The resolution was carried. sions, removal of gravel accurnulations, maintenance of exist- 7,250 ing works (ii) A-uldyn River— GOVERNMENT PROPERTY general maintenance TRUSTEES—VOTE FOR £20,972. (hi) Neb River — new weirs, piling banks Mr Higgins: I beg to move the follow- and general mainten ing resolution:— ance, removal of That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be gravel accumulation 9,950 authorised to apply, from the current, revenue (iv) Glass River—cleaning of this Isle, during the year ending 31st and piling, and main- March, 1957, a sum not exceeding E20,972 for tenance work 250 the purpose of defraying the following ex- (v/ Dhoo River repair- penditure :— ing and piling, and (a) Government Property Trustees maintenance work 300 (maintenance, repair and ex- (vi) Laxey River —main- tension of public buildings) £17,372 tenance work 100 (h1 Murray House, Nos. 12 and 14, (vii) Silverburn River— Buck's Road, and 0, Mount cleaning and piling, and maintenance Havelock • 1,750 lc) Castle Rushen 850 work 650 WI Peel Castle 600 13,500 (el No. 1, Hope Street, Douglas 400 £110,845 £20,972 The Court heard the details of the esti- Mr Kelly seconded, and the resolution mates when they were submitted before, was carried. and I do not think they wilt want the items explained again. There is no change. VOTE OF £110,845 FOR THE HIGH- WAY AND TRANSPORT BOARD. Mr Quayle: May I ask the chairman of the Board a question? How much is Mr Crowe: I beg to move the,following it proposed to expend on footpaths, and resolution:— may I know whether the estimate men- That The Treasurer of the Isle of Man be tioned at a previous Court by the Clerk authorised to apply, from the current revenue of the Rolls of £5,000 is near the mark? of this Isle, during the year ending 31st Secondly, may I ask''.' regarding the March. 1957. a sum not exceeding £110,895 for the purpose of defraying the expenditure to availability of English 'driving licences be incurred by the Isle.of Man Highway and here, if the Highway and Transport Transport Board in connection with the fol- Board are implementing the wishes of lowing services:— this Court? 61) Maintenance and Recon- struction of Firkt - class Mr Bolton: May I answer on behalf of Scheduled Roads £69,591 the chairman, who is unlikely to have lb] Maintenance and Recon- . structIon of Second-class heard the questions. The amount of Scheduled Roads ' 10,920 money to be provided for footpaths was

Government' - Trustees—Vote for £20,972.—Vote of £110,845 for the Highway and Transport Board. 854 TYNWALD COURT, :JUNE 1.9, 058 given in this Court when the estimates agreed on the matter. Until the Court were dealt with. The figure is not be- has made its decision, no statement fore me at the moment, but the hon. should be made. member will see it in the verbatim re- Mr Corkhill: What will be the position port of the debate at the time. With of cars coming to the Island? regard to the implementation of the resolution of Tynwald, I do not know The Attorney-General: As I have said, what the hon. member means, but some I have written to the R.A.C. of the members who were very strongly Mr Kerruish: As recently as the last in favour of the Commission's report couple of days attempts have been made have got a wrong impression of what to have an international certificate happened in Tynwald. There was a which will be valid in every country recommendation that the Highway covered by,the United Nations, but for Board should investigate the question of the Isle of Man it would appear you drivers' licences who brought vehicles must have a Manx licence. And unless from England, and a meeting in connec- the Court, in its wisdom, decides the tion with that matter has been held with matter, the Highway Board and the the Tourist Board. No decision has yet Tourist Board may settle the matter be- been made, and I would not like any im- tween them, and that will not suit Mr pression to get abroad that Tynwald has Bolton at all. The approach is a ridicu- decided anything beyond that consulta- lous one, and it is time we got on with tions have taken place in the matter and the job. that this matter continues to receive Mr Bolton: I am making a statement, consideration. Full notice has been but it is something which I have said taken of the resolution of Tynwald and a before. If it is the desire of the Court meeting was held very shortly after- that the Tourist Board should run the wards to consider it. Nothing definite business of the Highway Board and has yet been done, and it will not affect every other Board, then let it do so. this season. Mr Irving: When we adopted the The Attorney-General: I am in com- interim report of the Tourist Board, munication with the R.A.C. on the mat- and when we debated it, we said that ter. and I have been informed that if you the Board should do such and such a hold an English driving licence you do thing. I suppose some of us 'thought they would have gone on their own not need an international one. Ob- initiative. It was the intention of the viously, then, why should we, as Manx House to do away with these driving people, Kaye to get an English driving licences, and vehicle licences on this licence to drive in England? I am in Island. I do not care what happens on touch with the R.A.C., as I have said. the other side, because we should be a on the question of a road licence, when great deal keener to get the visiting I get the necessary information I will motorist to this Island than they are. If supply it to the Board. It should be in it is the idea of the Attorney-General operation next spring. that they are deliberately going to do Mr Bolton: That will depend upon the nothing about the wishes or, indeed, the opinion of the members of this Court. instructions of this Court, I will not vote We should not have a statment that the for even one of these items. scheme will be in operation by next Mr McFee: Your Excellency, I want to spring. correct the erroneous impression that seems to be prevalent that Mr Bolton is The Attorney-General: Are you sug- the Highway Board. (Laughter.) He gesting— may be one-fifth, or ,even one part, but Mr Bolton: I am suggesting that this he is not the whole Board. When the Court manages its own affairs. I would Attorney-General gets all the informa- not like it to go forward that we are tion that he is seeking to place before

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the Board, it will receive serious con- Mr Nivison: All right. Amongst those sideration, and I am sure the members things you passed that we should go of the Highway Board, when the matter into, was the possibility of having more comes before them, will approach it as signposts, and that they should be done statesmen, legislators and with expected in Manx. The Highway Board—and intelligence. this is an experiment—have erected one such signpost at the .Fairy Bridge. Mr Nivison: As another member of the hope members have seen it. Highway Board— (laughter) — I should like to say that we have, by no means, Mr Coole: Is one sign the effort of five gone asleep on this complicated problem. members? It is not easy. We are greatly in ad- Mr Nivison: Yes, it was and it is jolly vance of the United Kingdom in regard good work. We have been told that to the method by way licences are issued there has been great interest in the for vehicles over here. On the Island it Fairy Bridge. We have marked on it is necessary for a person to produce a "so many miles to Castletown" and "so certificate of insurance for a period if many miles to Douglas," and we hope to they need a licence. in England a per- have more of these signs in all parts of son can receive a licence on production the Islarid. We are conscious of the of a certificate of insurance which may recommendations and the question of only be valid for a couple of days. I feel licences is being discussed with regard sure that the law retative to third party to English motorists. is far superior in the island than it is in . Mr Quayle: Your Excellency, I asked Great Britain. We have had many -the chairman of the Board a o_uestion, examples where visiting motorists, although we have some interesting especially motor-cyclists, who have personal opinions from two members. come over on cover notes Pnd wish to but I would like to ask the ehaiiman has have theif licences renewed, and a great he anything to add. deal of communication has taken place, at the owner's expense, to the licensing Mr Radcliffe: I did not intend to say registration places in England and the anything this morning, but as the hon. insurance companies. I agree that it is member for Middle has mentioned sign- a good thing to abolish the things but posts, he reminded me of something we cannot, by the stroke of the pen, just which I have been considering and which do that. There are certain difficulties had been worrying me in the last four to overcome and then the Board will years. It is about the halt signs on the decide, in the light of all the informa- roads. I know that everybody has got tion, what should happen. In this used to them, and that they are fine lespect I want to say that the Board has where they are, but sometimes they may. not been completely asleep with regard. be 12 feet fiorn the main road and to recommendations. in.the Visiting In- sometimes they may be 75 feet. Recently dustry Commission report. Although it I saw two cases in the Press;.oL iwo is true to say that many of the recom- drivers who failed to stop at the ;halt mendations wete glossed over at a signs. One man thought he was onethe. terrific speed. main road, and the other man 'forgot where the sign was. I think the reason Mr Kerruish: He wasn't even here. is that they are set too far back from he corner. The idea was to give cars Mr Nivison: You will see that a host time to pull uP but with modern' cars of recommendations were contained in and signs properly olaeed, anything an- the report. We were probably getting !): oaching an interseetiori can pull up very tired at the time we discussed • quite easily. The point is this, if you are them, but I am going lo:taiggest that. we a stranger this question of distances can were not always sure of what we passed be awkward. I know from experience at the time. when I have been driving here I have Members: No, no. over-driven a couple of times. I nearly

Vote of C.110,845 for the Highway and Transport Board. • 856 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 --- broke the necks of some of my pas- got and which I appreciate. We have sengers when I found the line at the last got lots of helpers so far as talking is moment and pulled up. If you were concerned. away—I am not going to bring Canada The vote was agreed. here—but if you were, say, in North America, you would find that everyone knows exactly where the halt signs will be—about eight feet from the corner. A HIGHWAY AND TRANSPORT BOARD driver does not have to look for a halt —RE-VOTE OF £1,100 FOR AGNEASH sign that is close to the corner as it is DAM. in his forward field of vision, where he looks when approaching a corner, not Mr Crowe: I beg to move the resolu- looking sideways to look for signs. Side tion standing in my name:— vision is secondary and necessary. In That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be some places they have tests for side authorised to apply, from the current revenue vision and if they fail the drivers may of this Isle, during the year ending 31s1 March. 1957. a sum not exceeding £1.100 for not be given a driving licence, the purpose of defraying the expenditure to be incurred by the Isle of Man Highway 4nd Mr Nivison: What about putting them Transport Board in i.onnection with the in the middle of the road? clearance of Agneash Dam. The Governor: I think the best traffic This is a case, Your Excellency, where lights are in the middle of the road. the Board has been delayed in getting Mr Radcliffe: If you are looking ahead the work done. It ^is the same as we had to the inter-section, you do not have to voted last year, and we hope to start the look for them. I have sometimes had to work very soon. look for them and that is all I can say The vote was agreed. about them. My opinion is that in the towns, and in the country, the authori- ties should give attention to placing these halt signs where they are readily LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD— visible. It is very difficult at the Z69,5110 FOR COST OF SERVICES. moment for a man who does not know Mr Crellin: I beg to move:— where they are. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Mr Crowe: In answer to the hon. authorised to apply from (i) the current re- venue of this Isle. during the year ending member for Middle, Mr Quayle, I just 31st March. 1957. a sum not exceeding £69,500 did not get the question at first, but I for the purpose of defraying the cost of the •understand it is regarding the licences. following services:— I have been given to understand that (a) Expenses of the Local Govern- when the motorists have been to the ment Hoard £24.000 (b) The Local Government (Fire Ser- office, that there has been scarcely one vices) Act, 19N1'l 3.000 objection, and that they have been (c) Fire Escapes Act:. 1950 7,500 coming out rather proud that they have (d) Rural Housing Acts 15,1)00 got a Manx licence. As to ability, Your (e) Hotel and Boarding-House Im- Excellency, I would ask any person provements Act, 1954 ,.,.„ 20,000 familiar with the Isle of Man to go around quietly to , see what has been £69,500 done by t,his. Board in the past few and (ii) from the funds standing to the credit years, andyciii,will agree that it has done of the Isle of Man Accumulated Fund, a sum soine good iNrk. Take the Slough riot exceeding £63,636: for the purpose of de- Road. I went,ovvr. there some weeks fraying the cost of the following services:— ago with a iiicnic aild we were (a) Erection of Houses and Mainten- thrilled with the view, going down ance of Housing Estates £7,215 (b) Interest and Sinking Fund—Hous- where the road has been opened and log Loa ns• 30.000 where there is a consistent width all the tr.) Annual Deficiencies on Local Au- way down. There is one thing we have thorities' Housing Schemes 15.00(1

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(ell Maintenance of Drainage Schemes 3.000 Mr R. C. Cannell seconded. tel Lemayre (Richmond Road) Drain- age Scheme 830 The resolution was carried. (f) Foxdale Drainage Scheme 4.760 Cregneish Drainage Scheme 2.571 (h) Glen Auldyn Lezayre Drainage Scheme 200 ISLE OF MAN HARBOUR BOARD —GRANT OF £137,080 FOR £6:3.636 HARBOURS

All the items down to (f) have been Mr Kelly: I beg to move that--- debated and dealt with in the March That this Court do approve the estimates submitted by the Isle of Man Harbour Board Tynwald. With regard to items (f) (g) for the maintenance of the harbours of this and (h) I can probably take them to- Island {including the Victoria. Pier Buildings gether. These are drainage schemes and and Swing Bridge. Douglas. and the Queen's in the case of two of them the contractor Pier. Ramsey) for the year ending list March, 1937. and do authorise a grant to the Isle went into voluntary liquidation. We of Man Harbour Board of a sum not exceed- have not had anything to do with these ing X137.030 lo be applied along with monies figures since 1952 when this happened. in the hands of the Board towards such main- tenance; such sum to be provided as here- The firm, in one case, undoubtedly un- under— derestimated the scheme, and that was From current revenue— at Foxdale, where the contract was ex- Amount received during the actly £4,000 less than the nearest other year ended 31st March. 1950 contractor. At Cregneish there was a from rents, bay fisheries great deal of rock and there kvas bad and boat licences £4.250 sub-soil, which threw their costs very Victoria Pier Buildings 1.690 Doug] as Harbour Swing high. When these figures came to us Bridge 3,530 through Mr Davidson, we referred them Maintenance of Queen's Pier. hack, because we were not satisfied that • Ramsey 9.000 all the things accounted for were in the Repairs lo R a rose:v• North contract. He went into it with his Clerk Breakwater 6.500 of the Works, and they straightened out General maintenance of liar- various small matters. Mr Davidson , hours 69.610 Buttressing Wall and Incor- assured us of one thing with regard to porating Yacht Quay, Ram- the laying of a sewer at Foxdale, that it sey 1.500 would be better to lay it on another site Rowe's Dock. Laxey 7.000 than the one on the original plan. In Widening of Pier, Port St. every case, because of the subsoil, the Mary 7.000 Completion of Workshops at pipes had to be encased in concrete and Tongue 5.000 that sort of thing, and altogether, when Exploratory Work. Port Erin 2.000 we searched the whole thing out item by £117000 item we were satisfied that everything From passenger duty and harbour was done that could be done as cheaply dues or either of them, levied or to as possible. During the course of this be levied at the several harbotirs towards the general maintenance work in the Glen Auldyn scheme, the of harbours 20,000 last item on the agenda, 'wages and materials, went up cOnsiderably, and £137,080 that also added to the cost. I have any amount of detail here if members wish I think the Court is well aware of all to have it, but I cannot see that it is the different items set out here, but if of very much interest to anybody. The there -are any questions I will do my facts are that the costs went un for the best to answer them. reasons already given, and in the case of Glen Auldyn it was because of the in- Mr Bolton: There is one item, in the creases in wages and the cost of case of which I have to move an amend- materials. ment to these figures. I move that the

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amount of the vote be reduced by the quired, and I think this 2.2,000 for ex- sum of 22,000 by deleting the item for ploratory work is necessary for this year. exploratory work at Port Erin. In my Deemster Cowley: If I oppose a vote .opinion it is a shocking waste of public in this Court arid I am beaten I honestly money even to consider spending £2,000. try to abide by the decision of the Court. The origin of this scheme, as we all This matter was very fully discussed at know, was a proposal to build a break- the last sitting of the Court, and it is water or a pier or some construction perfectly true that this has been sub- for the accommodation of fishing boats, stituted for the very much larger and one or two colliers, at a cost of scheme, but it does not in any way 2140,000. I think the mood of the Court abolish or mean the abandonment of the was that it definitely did not contem- larger scheme. But some of us thought plate any such expenditure, but in order there were grounds for consideration for to salve somebody's conscience, or at the fishing industry in the South of the any rate to compromise, the resolution Island, and there are a great many points was given a twist and it now is to pro- which ought to be considered in order to vide the sum of 22,000. There is no develop that industry. Let me give an profit whatever to be gained by spending illustration. One of the things which a sum of 2,2,000 in trying to find out what can be done for fishermen. If you would no doubt, be a great benefit to the industry and the People who try to can do something for fishermen at Port carry on the fishing, would be to have Erin you can find out about it without some arrangement for carrying their fish spending £2,000. I feel this certain item to the market. should be deleted and the vote reduced from 2137,080 to 2135,080. There may Mr Bolton: But not for £2,000. he other items in these estimates which Deemster Cowley: Just a moment, if may be criticised, but this is. one which the hon. member for North Douglas will I really feel should never have fond allow me. I did not suggest that they its way into the estimates at all. should spend £2,000, but I do suggest Mr Kerruish seconded the amendment. that there should be a vote of this Mr Coole: We have just had the amount to enable them to go very fully opinion of the hon. member for North . into the matter, and if any means can Douglas with regard to the exploratory be found to help what is a dying indus- work at Port Erin, and the expenditure try, unfortunately, they can come for- of 22,000. This has been referred to the ward with recommendations to this Court. I still think the fishing industry Harbour Board, and it was a recommen- does deserve consideration, It does not dation by the Harbour Board that this get a very great deal of money from amount should be put in to find .the this Court, and after all, it is a very depths and different things with regard large and a very important indus- to making a new landing at Port Erin for try. While we may be anxious to get the fishing boats. The hon. member for new industries, let us at least see thit North Douglas now says it is unneces- we hello this old one to carry on a very sary. I don't know where his know- difficult, a very trying and sometimes a ledge has come from. He is from very dangerous task. I thought we had Douglas, a town man, and he doesn't settled this matter, and I am surprised know the first thing about fishing or any- that the hon. member should question it thing else. (Laughter.) after having almost a unanimous vote Mr Nivison: Can you clarify that "any- • against him on the last occasion. thing else," (Laughter.) Mr Bolton: On a point of order, the Mr Coole: He condemned it last time hon. member of the Council is suggest- in the same way that he has condemned. ing that when a decision has been made many things in. this Court where money we should abide by that decision. I is connected with it. In my opinion these would like to remind His Honour that harbour facilities at Port Erin are re- he has said in this Court time and time

Isle of Man Harbour Board—Grant of £137,080 for Harbours, TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 859 again, "you will have your opportunity Douelas, Mr Bolton, is a member, and at Budget time," and I am merely taking then we will meet in a joint conference the opportunity that he is constantly with the fishermen of Port Erin and dangling before me. discuss every aspect of the matter there. Mr Crellin: Surely His Honour the We are not going to spend any moneyon Clerk of the Rolls at the last Court the pier as far as I am aware. mentioned this £2,000 for exploratOFY Mr Cottier: I am going to repeat what work, but quite obviously the Harbour said when this came up before. The Board took no notice of that. position, irrespective of what Mr Bolton Mr Kelly: No, no. says, is very very serious. These boats have been continually damaged, and • Mr : They said so. Mr Coole they belong in some instances to the said so, exploratory work at the break- men, but in other instances they have water. ken bought with Government grants. Mr Coo-le: I never mentioned such a I say that we ought to do as Sir Percy thing as breakwater. I said depths. Cowley says. There is' a particular Mr Taggart: I have a distinct recol- item to which I referred at the last lection of this and although the Court sitting. In the fishing trade—and up to may have been, vague in the way it dealt now we have very few boats here, I am with the Visiting Industry Commission sorry to say—if the herrings are not report, I don't think there was any caught on the Peel side of the Calf, I am vagueness about the method in which afraid that one of these days we are we dealt with the resolution and the going to have a tragedy. There should amendment moved by His Honour the be some protection at Port Erin, or as Clerk of the Rolls. It is quite clear to the fishermen have said, a breakwater. me that the Court more or less said to I personally think we ought to have it. the Harbour Commissioners, "you have If anything happened it would be a said a problem exists in relation to the tragedy to this Island. There should be fishing industry in Port Erin and there- shelter at Port Erin so that the boats fore you should ask for provision in the could run in. If these small boats go out Budget to see whether an exploratory and there is a storm there is no shelter inquiry should be made." As to whether the other side of the Calf. that was the main problem, if there has Mr McFee: In supporting this resolu- been any other problem just as pressing, tion I wish to say that when this matter I don't know. What I want to know is was debated there was a need in Port this. What has the Harbour Board done Erin first of all for some sort of landing with regard to this amendment? Have facilities for the fishermen and also for you had a meeting with the Fisheries an extended shelter. Whether that Board as was siiggested? What have should be a breakwater or not I am not you done about it? prepared to say, but this vote was, as it Mr Kelly: In case there is any doubt sets out here, for exploratory work and in hon. members' minds, I have a per- I feel that is all it was intended to do. fectly open mind about it, but my recol- But there is one thing which I would lection is that what His Honour said is like to remind the Harbour Board about perfectly true. This £2,000 was not to when they are going into this matter and be spent in any case until we have it is this, the making of yachting quays. reported back to the Court. The ex- In Great Britain, yachting and yachting ploratory work in providing a number holidays are on the increase and during tif other facilities, might help the fishing the last ten years there has been a 300 industry of Port Erin. and as far as the pan-cent. increase. But they don't come 'Board is concerned they are not going to to the coasts of the Island because of its carry out any exploratory work of the extraordinary lack of harbour facilities nature mentioned. We haven't done —(Hear, hear). We know quite well anything because this is Budget day. that there isn't a harbour in the Isle of We have waited so that we can go to Man which is safe for small yachts in the Board of Agriculture and Fisheries, certain winds, in fact, with an inshore of which the hon. member for North wind, an easterly wind, we find thal.

No of Man Harbour BoarciGrant of £137,080 for Harbour, 860 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 even our large ships, the Manx boats, Mr Nicholls: With reference to the have to come around to Peel for shelter. Pier Arcade, I may say that at lunch- I feel that when this matter is under time I was speaking_ to two architects consideration they should bear in mind who have been asked to prepare plans the visiting industry as well as the for a new building. This action might fishing industry and in providing extra be so recent that the chairman might not shelter for the Island they should con- know about it. The Harbour Board are sider shelter for the visiting yachts. not slow about this job. - The general information is that yachting Mr Taggart: Are they local architects? iscorning to the forefront again and this spprt may be beneficial to the Island as Mr Nicholls: Yes. think that with- a resort. out boasting I can say that when we look at the terminal building at Ronalds- Mr Nivison: I have one small point. way, which was designed by one of the I think the Harbour Board should be two gentlemen I have mentioned, I don't congratulated on the distinct signs they think there is any need .to go off the have erected recently on Victoria Pier Island for help of any kind. I. am not and King Edward Pier. There has al- going to say much about Port Erin pier ways been some confusion as to which except to take exception to the re- pier the boat is going to and they have marks of Mr Crellin who seemed to had from time to time canvas signs on think the Harbour Board was pig- the walls and announcements from loud- headed over the matter. I can say that speakers saying, "This way to Liver- conferences have been held, and at these pool," and you don't know where the fishermen expressed only a desire for sound is coming from. They now have deep water berthage. They made no re- these new signs. They are large, but quest whatever concerning the transport there is no question in people's minds of fish. as to what they mean. It is more beneficial to people to know what is Mr R. C. Connell: That is not the busi- happening. With regard to the Victoria ness of the Harbour Board. Pier building, there is to be £1,600 Mr Nicholls: Their only grievance con- spent on it, but one would have hoped cerned berthage. The engineer could not that the Board would abolish the Arcade even estimate the cost of a new pier Buildings and come forward with a plan until he knew what the foundations on to have a decent approach to Douglas which it was to be build were like. for those people who come by sea. I am Since the matter was debated in March sure such a project would receive a lot the Board have put this item into ex- of support. It is an economic proposi- penditure to cover them in case of a tion. It could have shops and harbour scheme, even a modest scheme, being offices there. I hope they will give con- pursued. The fact that we included sideration to abolishing that terrible £2,000 was not done because we were Arcade, and I am . sorry that they are being stubborn or pigheaded, but to en- spending any money on it. able us to go into the question of pro- viding more facilities for the fishermen, Mr R. C. Cannel]: With-regard to the and in so doing we knew that we were point of helping fishermen, raised by bound to incur some expense. I have Deemster Cowley. I would like to say just been reminded, Your Excellency, that there is a means being found by the that the transport of fish is not the duty Fisheries Committee for helping them. of the Harbour Board. They are a tine type of men in Peel—a very decent body of men—and we should Deemster Cowley: Might I point out 'do all we can to 'help them. It is a that the part of the original resolution pleasure to meet them as the Fisheries dealing with Port Erin read: "Port Erin Committee does. It is in the commit- —Exploratory work in connection with tee's mind to do all they can to help proposed new pier." The amendment I them. proposed, and which was carried, was,

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"Delete the words "proposed new pier" March. 1957, a sum not exceeding 154,000 as and make it read "exploratory work for a grant to the Isle of Man Tourist Board for improved facilities for the fishing in- the purpose of advertising the Island. dustxy at Port Erin." Like the last speaker, I would like to say that this was fully explained at the last The Governor: The amendment now is session of the Court. I may say that that the item in the resolution, the sum during the last day or two the Board of £2,000 for exploratory work at Port have been able to secure a stand at Earls Erin, be deleted. Court Exhibition, which takeg place in Theamendment was declared lost, November. It will be used to advertise and the resolution was carried. . the T.T. race for next year and as a holi- day resort at the same time. Mr Coole: I beg to second that. BOARD OF SOCIAL • SERVICES— Mr Quayle: I don't wish to oppose the £462,200 VOTED. vote, but at the same time I would like The Governor: Item No. 22. I call on to comment on the way last year's vote the chairman of the Board of Social was used. We had the T.T. race last Services. week. and it is a week that should be fully advertised. But I spoke to a num- Mr Nivison: I beg to move:— ber of sports editors of the national That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Press—people closely connected with the authorised to apply a sum not exceeding £462.200 during the year ending 31st March, sport—and knowing that the figures of 1957, to be provided as to two-thirds of the arriVals here were down, I was seeking cost of items (a). (b) and (c) from the In a reason. It has been laid down that comeTax Fund and the remainder from the the decrease was due to leading figures current revenue of this Isle for the purposes of :— not being in the race and the Clubman's (a) The Old Age Pensions Act, 1939 £47,900 being held in a different week. I say it (b) The Family Allowances Act, 1946 97.600 was because of poor publicity. They (CI The National Insurance (Isle of told me that there was no advertising in Man) Act, 1948 196.000 the south of England for the event. In Cd) The National Assistance Act, 1951 117.700 London it was said that the T.T. was no (e) The Personal Injuries ,(Emergency longer an international race, that nobody Provisions) Act. 1939 600 was taking any note of it, and nobody (f) Social Services Act, 1948 2,400 was bothering to come here. While in £402.200 Torquay one of our residents asked about the result of the T.T., and nobody A full explanation of this, together with knew anything about it. They thought a tlemorandum, was given at the last he was referring to attested cattle! I session of Tynwald, and anything I think we should have much more pub- would say to-day would be pure repeti- licity for the T.T. races. Look at what tion. they have for Silverstone. It is given out to be the be-all and end-all of things The resolution was agreed. and is now coming up to the standard of the Isle of Man in reputation. Mr Code: That is a track. TOURIST BOARD—SUM NOT Mr Quayle: Never mind, thousands of EXCEEDING £54,000 VOTED. people are going there. I say that in The Governor: Item No. 23. I call on connection with the T.T. leading sports the deputy-chairman of the Tourist writers should be given frequent hand- Board. outs and other information as to what is Mr Alfred J. Teare: I beg to move:— hapnening. We had a big week this year, and one writer told me that a week That the Treasurer of the Isle of Mad be authorised to apply, from the current revenue before the race he could not get a pro- dt this Isle, during the year ending 31st gramme in London. I say that the

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A.C.U. may not altogether be blameless, be spent in July and August, but should but I think the Tourist Board should be used to bolster up the bad weeks in build up the publicity for the T.T. and June. not have the same thing happening next Mr Nicholls: Might I respectfully sug- year. gest that following a most enjoyable ex- Mr Irving: I wish to support the hon. perience last evening, the Tourist Board member.I. too, have been informed by might engage Sir Ralph Stevenson to many pers. ons in England that there was tour England, Scotland and Ireland and a distinct lack of publicity for the races. repeat his splendid performance. It might be more effective than the money I would like to know from the chairman which the Board has spent in the last of the Tourist Board, or the deputy- year. On the matters raised by the last chairman, why it is they are producing two speakers in developing the T.T., I coloured folders of the Isle of Man must say that I have heard similar com- printed in French and German for dis- ments. I come into contact with a lot tribution on the Continent. These of people concerned with the races. folders are apparently financed by the Even relatives whom 1 had staying with Tourist Board and distributed by the me commented on the fact that until the British Travel Association. I have last week when the practices started, heard about the British Council spending there was not even a mention of the T.T. 4300.000 to take a Shakespearean ex- races in the national newspapers. One hibition to Japan, so that the Japanese relative who lives in the Wirral offered should have some appreciation of WiT- a comparison with an air event that was held at Speke recently and which, un- liarn Shakespeare. It is no more ridicu- fortunately, was marred with tragedy. lous than sending these folders to the He explained that for many weeks be- Continent. It would have been much fore the meeting, the local papers of more to the point if they had been Cheshire and Lancashire had had para- printed in the Lancashire and Yorkshire graphs about the event, working up the dialect. I don't want to attack the interest every day. The result was that Tourist Board for their initiative, but I there were 150,000 people at the display. do feel it is a complete and utter waste And yet we had, a handful for our big of money when we want more visitors in event. I am sure the Press are always early June. We should concentrate on anxious to co-operate. But what we the British Isles with our publicity. I want is a programme planned months did ask what the Tourist Board had done beforehand. I am sure the result would in connection with various recommenda- be very different from this year, Un- tions made in the Visiting Industry fortunately, Your Excellency, the most Commission report, and in connection prominent headlines we get is when we have an unfortunate fatality. Then we with this, I would say that in the hon. get headlines galore. But ordinary member for Garff there is one member references to the races are conspicuous of the Board who has been anxious to by their absence. Next year, for the get on with the implementation of the golden jubilee, the Tourist Board should report. Now, I am going to ask what really go to town and make the British reply has been received from the Steam public conscious of the races. Packet Company with regard to im- proved travelling conditions. I must, Mr Quine: I was interested in the hon. however, compliment the company on member, Mr Quayle, and his opinion of having put on extra services, and I am the sports editors. I accuse the Press only sorry that they have not had the themselves of being partly responsible result they deserved in a larger number for the lack of publicity for this recent of travellers. Finally, I would like to T.T. week.. You have all heard it suggest that the 435,000 which has been mobted about and said that one of the provided from entertainment should not reasons, which I don't believe at all, was

oN,mw Tourist BOard—Sum not exceeding £54,000" Voted, TYNWALD couRT, :TUNE 19, 1956 F163 that that was because Geoff Duke was There has been nearly 3,500 posters not riding. I don't believe that. I don't posted up in garages throughout Great think many people would stay away Britain. That is what we have done in just because Duke wasn't riding. But the past. It has been the general policy. the Press, because he was absent, did It must be admitted that this year we not boost the T.T. Neither did the have suffered. But what happened the B.B.C. The B.B.C.. I think, is respon- first week in June in Great Britain? We sible for some of the lack of interest. had other attractions—the world tennis Something happened this year. When a championship, the Test match, and other rider was approaching the finish, within sporting activities. And the T.T. was a few seconds of the finish, they shut placed in order, I think, about the fifth, off and they had to fill in with a bit of That was the order which the B.B.C.. so ernbri3idered music. They are too far as television was concerned, placed wooden and ignorant. I consider there it. We took a back seat. It is just un- should be a system of liason between the Tourist Board and the Press. I know fortunate, and it is hoped that it will there is a great part of the public who not happen again. But I am sure the are not interested in the T.T. and a large Court will agree that everything pos- number who resent it. Many people sibla was done this year. There is per- avoid the races and those of the bicycles. haps one point. The A.C.U, might do a They want a quiet holiday. So the little bit more themselves. They leave Tourist Board do not want to have the a lot of the advertising of the T.T. 1,0 T.T. in the forefront of their publicity. the Isle of Man. The £10,000 is part But they want to go all out with the and parcel of the organisation. Whether special advertisements of the races. I they should have another amount of am afraid I have to admit that the T.T. money for advertising, is a matter we is losing something of its attractiveness, should discuss .with them. and I think the main reason is what was Mr McFee: Is the hon. member hinted at by Mr Quayle. There are other suggesting that the first week in June races, like Silverstone and Scarborough. should be permanent for the races? Motor-cycles are not now such a novelty. But I don't think the T.T. is The Governor: If I might make a going to die, but I do support Mr Quayle suggestion which has been in my mind in urging greater efforts for more T.T. in relation to the golden jubilee of the publicity each year.. races next year. I should like sugges- tions from every Board and every local Mr Kelly: There are two aspects of authority. The Forestry Board might, this debate which I want to comment for instance, help by giving flower boxes upon. One was the suggestion from Mr for the front at Douglas. The Board of Quayle that the Tourist Board had not Agriculture might arrange a special agri- been doing their job in advertising the cultural exhibition. The Assessment T.T. The other is the . reference from Board, even if they cannot lower their Mr Irving who pointed out Mr Kerruish rates, could at least decorate their own as the only live wire in the Tourist offices. ( Laughter.) Other Boards could Board. I think it is most unfair for any do the same. I leave you with that idea individual member to be selected. Every to turn over in your minds. The big other member of the Board has played companies might also consider what.they his part to put the 'Isle of Man on the could do. map. It was most unfortunate for Mr Jrving to refer to Mr Kerruish by name. Mr Alfred J. Teare: Reference has I can say that the Tourist Board, as been made to publicising the races in the usual, did what it could to publicise the Press. The Tourist Board have an T.T. races. Half a million folders were arrangement with local correspondents sent out, and 80,000 booklets, and the of British newspapers that if the matter T.T. was given special prominence. sent away is not accepted, they will be

Tourist Board—Sum not exceeding £.54,000 Voted. 864 rt'VNWALT3 CO.0114', Arl\IE 19, 196 re-imbursed by the Tourist Board. It is All I can.add to what I have already said very difficult to get ordinary paragraphs is that of the .R.89,000, about £50,000 about the Isle of Man in. will be capital expenditure for the The Attorney-General: That is surely making of the runway. In apologising for my late arrival after lunch I wotild a matter for the A.C.U. like to say that the reaSon was that I Mr Alfred J. Teare: Somebody said had to be present at a meeting With something about people being killed, and experts of the Ministry of Civil Avia- that is all they will publish. As the hon. tion. This was a very important meet- member for Ramsey has said, the ing and while I have the opportunity I Tourist Board this year did more would like to express our appreciation advertising than ever to boost the T.T. of th:-i enormous amount of free techni- What were the causes of the fall in cal adVice we get from the Ministry in numbers at the T.T.? My own personal matters of this kihd. If we had to pay opinion is that one of the factors was " for that advice our estimates would be that Duke was not riding, and that many times what they are, and I feel people did not come for that reason. I would like to express our appreciation Also the weather on the other side was : to them for their invaluable_ help . atrocious and that no doubt kept a lot of Mr Farrant seconded. people at home. In Lancashire and Yorkshire they have been having a bad The resolution was carried. time in the woollen and cotton mills and no doubt that, too, was a contributory factor. I was speaking to two local ISLE OF MAN ASSESSMENT BOARD men who came from Coventry, where VOTE OF £2,100 FOR EXPENSES the Standard Motor Works men are paid off or on short time, and they told me Mr Moore: I beg to move:— that these men earned £20 to ,U5 a That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply, from the current revenue week and they are down now to LB and of this TSl, during the year ending 31st £10 a week. They have bought things March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £2.1110 for on the hire-purchase and were paying up the purpose of defraying the expenses of the to .0 to £10 a week for motor cars. Assessment Board. TV's, refrigerators and all the rest, and Su many chairmen have set a good they cannot do it to-day,. and you cannot example that I wish to follow it. With expect them to come to the T.T. races. reference to the question of decorating In-Coventry they are every bit as hard the outside of the office, if Your Excel- up as ourselves. There is no doubt that lency likes to stick in another £100 to is responsible for a big proportion of this it will be done—(Laughter). the reduction in the number of people A greed. coming for the T.T.. The Temple Press trips themselves used to bring thousands of people, 5,000 to 10,000, but this year there was a big drop and the reason was RIFLE SHOOTING SCHEME unen-iployrnent. The Attorney-General : I beg to The resolution was carried. move:— That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply, from the current revenue of this Isle, during the year ending 31st ISLE OF MAN AIRPORTS BOARD— March, ,1957, a sum not exceeding. RAN by VOTE OF 2.89,808- FOR EXPENSES. way of grant to the Isle of Man rtifie Astocia- tion to be expended by the Associatidn in Mr Nicholls: ,I beg to move:— accordance with arrangements to be ap- proved by His Excellency the Lieutenant- That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply, from the current revenue Governor. of this Isle. during the year ending 31st The isle of Man Rifle Association shall sub- March, 1957. a sum not exceeding £89,808 to- mit to His Excellency the Lieutenant- wards the expenses of the Isle of Man Air- Governor an annual report and statement of ports Board. accounts, to be laid by him before Tynwald.

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This year's vote is £100 in excess of the first week in, June. Seldom, I think amount included last year, The in- only in two previous years, has it ever creased provision is to enable additional been held so early. assistance to be given to the Rifle Asso- ciation towards the rent and mainten- The Attorney-General: We discussed ance of the shooting range at Summer this before. Hill Quarry, which has been leased Mr Bolton: We have discussed it be- from the Territorial Army Association. ' fore and we now have before us a good This is the only 25 yards range avail- example of what has happened this able in Douglas and now they will be year. How, if it is so easy, have people able to invite visiting teams here. That put forward no reason for the lack of is the only variation. interest, and I think that now that we Mr Higgins seconded. have the result before us of having the races so early, some further considera- The resolution was carried. tion should be given to it: The races were _never held before the second or third week in June before the war. I RACES COMMITTEE OF TYNWALD think we should give further serious —VOTE OF £15,775 consideration to the matter before it is too late. Mr A. J. Teare: beg to move:— Thai the Treasurer of the Isle of Man he Mr Kelly: I am going to supbort Mr authorised to apply, from the current revenue Bolton on this. Last week in Ramsey of this Isle, during the year ending alst I was in my two cafes and I was speak- March. 1957, a euro not exceeding £15,775. ing to motor-cyclists. The two cafes do made up as follows, for the purpose of de- fraying expenditure in connection with Road a fair business with motor-cyclist and I Races in the Isle of Man:— got into conversation and asked them (a) 1056 International Auto -Cycle the reasons for the lack of support this Tourist Trophy Races £8.500 year. The spokesman gave me the (b) 1950 International Sidecar Race „ 1,500 answer right away. The mistake we (c) 1056 International Tourist Trophy made, he said, was that the T.T. was Bicycle Races 1.750 too near Whitsuntide, they had had Id) 1956 Manx Grand Prix Races 2.500 their Whitsun holiday and they could Is) Two-day Motor-Cycle Trial 150 not afford two holidays. I told them tf) Vintage Motor-Cycle Rally 900 who I was and they said, "Well, it is a (g) Southern Motor-Cycle Club Races 275 good job we spoke to you so that you th) "Round the Course': Broadcasting 550 can pass it on." You can take it for (i) Entertainment and Hospitality 150 what it is worth but that is what they £15775 told me. He asked me had we been in touch with the British Holiday and All the items have been explained Travel Association to inquire whether before. people went on holiday in the first week of June. I said we didn't go as far as that. Mr Nicholls seconded. He said, "I think you should have done Mr Bolton: I listened with some that." He said 'they had been coming interest to what the hon. member of the here since 1949 to watch the TT, Races. Council, Mr Teare, said when we were I asked what were the reasons for the dealing with the Tourist Board vote, falling off in the numbers of people and he had a large number of excuses coming for the T.T. Races. One of the for the poor number of people who were reasons they gave was that it was too here for the T.T. Races. I have felt, early, another was the Clubman's Races and I think every member of the Court being in the following week: They said knows that the T.T. was too early in the they had to go back on Sunda' because first week of June. The Court clearly, they had already been here for a and I say unfortunately, decided that it week for the races. They had another should he the first week in June in holiday to come but they would be perpetuity. We have had an example taking their wives and children for a this year of the raced being held in the week's holiday in the summer. They

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said it was a big mistake to have the big streamer advertisements. We may Clubman's Races in a week on their get a big firm to pay £500 to £1,000 for own. We had the Clubman's Races the rights of a trade advertisement on on the T.T. Course before, that was the new grandstand for tea years. shouted down and we put them on the The resolution was carried. Clypse Course, that was shouted down and this year we put them back on the T.T. Course and that was a flop. We have three separate events, the EIEALTH SERVICES BOARD— Clubman's Races, the amateur races in VOTE OF £622,912 September and we have the T.T. Races Mr Kerruish: I beg . to move the in June and we should stick to that and following resolution: the September races and have the T.T. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man he in the second or third week in June authorised to apply, during the year ending When we can get the people. I think 31st March. 1957, a sum not exceeding £622.912 we should speak to the A.C.U. _ and I for the purpose of defraying the expenditure to be incurred by the Isle of Man Walth hope when the schedule is decided on Services Board in the 'administration of the we should have a proper T.T.. Week on Tale of Man Health Services Board in the ad- its own as we had in the past. ministration of the Isle of Man Health 'Ser- vices Act.- 1948. to he provided as to two- Mr A. J. Teare: We might have had thirds thereof from the Income Tax Fund and a bigger number of people here this the remainder from the current revenue of year had the races taken place this this Isle. week, because the people who have to I have nothing to add, Your Excellency, come over for the T.T. would still come. to what I said when the matter was But we certainly would have had two debated in Tynwald. blank weeks at the beginning of June. The vote was agreed. 1VIr Bolton: It would be far better. Mr A. J. Teare: It would be far better for the majority of houses if they FORESTRY, MINES AND LANDS had somebody in those weeks. What BOARD—VOTE OF £46,700 you say maybe your opinion., but the whole of the people of the Isle of Man Mr Corkhill: I beg to move the want to see the season extended. There following resolution:— is just one item which I want to refer That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply, from the current revenue to. A suggestion lias been made that of this Isle, during the year ending :11st we should have the new grandstand for March, 1957. a sum not exceeding £46,700 for the jubilee of the T.T. Races next year. the purpose of defraying the expenses of the Consultations have taken place between Forestry. Mines and Lands Board. the Races Committee of Tynwald, the have nothing further to add to what I Douglas Corporation and the A.C.U. have said in Tynwald, recently. • And the result of these conversations up to date is that the Borough Engineer Mr Quine: Your Excellency. I was is going to submit d ground plan of very pleased to read in your statement what we require for the new grandstand this morning that the question of the to the A.C.U. and then it will come back ivy- ihrottlng the trees is being tackled. to us again . But it is quite impossible Every time I go around the roads of the to have that grandstand erected for Island I am saddened by the sight of the next year. But we hope that if we trees that are dying and perishing. The decided to go on with the grand plan work of the Forestry Board which. we and that Royalty will be coming—it consider very important, is the planting might be possible for Princess Margaret of trees in the Isle of Man, and I think to come over—and we can, boost that it should be their job to deal. with the through the Tourist Board and the ivy. Races Committee next year. And. we Mr Corkhill: The Forestry Board may be able to get some revenue from cannot go into the hon. member's these trade people who put up those garden and interfere with the trees.

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The Governor: Yes, you can. The Governor: You can come to my office at a spare moment Mr Taggart Mr Quine: Surely it is not beyond and I will tell you how the issue was the powers of the Court to make legis- raised. lation. If this matter is not compulsory 1 am sure the Forestry Board could Mr Irving: I feel that there is nothing send out notices that those people who wrong with the machinery ' of the have trees in their fields and gardens Government with regard to afforesta- can have the help of the Board, and I tion, but that the fault lies with the am sure they would be glad to have Forestry Board. I do not believe they them do this work of cutting and des- are keen on trees. There is no point in troying the ivy and preserving the trees. shaking the machinery in that case. We am sure you would get many invita- should have people on the Forestry tions to do it. You can, go clown Suthy Board who are mad keen to plant trees. Glen and Glen Auldyn and all along the Let's have a Board of people who say Groudie Road to the Halfway House "we are going to cover this Island with and see the trees which are dying. trees" and get somewhere. We want to Why concentrate on planting new be able to say "no, no, you must leave trees? Those trees I are talking about us a patch of green," in other words, we are the trees you want, because they would have to hold them back. We are more necessary and more valuable want everyone planting every inch of than the ones you are planting. They the Island with trees. I believe that the are the elms, the beeches, the oaks and charter of the Forestry Board is this— the sycamore, and they are dying for they are charged with the general duty the want of saving and I think it is the of promoting the interests of forestry work of the Forestry Board to take this which covers fruit trees and shrubs; the matter up very seriously. development of afforestation and the supply of timber in this Island. They Mr Corkhill: We have no power to could do everything with terms of refer- go into anyone's garden. We can offer ence like that. Have they done any- our services. thing about going to people to have Deemster Cowley: I could take you trees on their land? They could go to to where there are hundreds of trees people and say "there are trees on your alon.g the Lezayre Road which I feel land and they are covered in ivy. For sure could be dealt with by the High- a small charge we will get rid of the way Buard and they are not in any- ivy." I think these trees are important body's garden. enough for us to pay to have them done. Let the Government chop the ivy down Mr Corkhill: The Highway Board? for nothing. The trees are the only Deemster Cowley: The Highway things that matter. I know I am in- Board or the Forestry Board, I do not clined to be a bit exasperated at times care which Board it is, but I can take but we can discuss any subject in the you to see some trees along the road 'world and members will still be sitting to Braddan Cemetery and the trees are around with a glassy look in their eyes. ready to fall. It is so simple a matter. I would like to ask the chairman if they I cut the ivy on the trees before it gets have moved on the planting of hard- a grip. wood and deciduous trees as recom- mended in the Visiting Industry Com- Mr Taggart: Where two Boards are mission's report, and if the chairman is involved, whose function is it to get prepared to take an interest in the them together. Is this a fission of planting of trees on privately owned functions? I suppose we have it in land, and try to get together with them every Government, but surely in any to get a new system. Government the Cabinet has the direct opinion. Could we create something Mr Cottier:" This is one of the first here. We have made the Tourist Board things to he brought to my notice when a development board without any I came back to the Island. I have seen powrS. the ivy choking the trees and I think

Forestry, Mines and Lands Board—Vote of £46,700. 868 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 this, can possibly be stopped by a simple stocked with rabbits rather than with remedy. It has been tried in many trees, and they are responsible men. It parts of the British Isles, by the local is all very well to talk about forestry authorities and urban district councils. and afforestation in this Court to-day They are using with great success, flame but those forests were planted at a time throwera—(Laughter). when wages were 2s. 6d. a day, but it is an argument of those men that the Mr Nivison: You will set Peel afire. rabbits would pay more. When you Mr. Cottier: They put .the flame consider the cost of setting trees and throwers close to the roots of the ivy. I attending to them, and cleaning them think that perhaps the chairman might and so on it is a costly matter. Another consider this, because I feel it is worth point of view with regard to setting trying. If we can burn these roots the trees, it is stated in one paragraph of rest of the ivy can be pulled down. the Commission's report that they should be planted along the high road. Mr Quine: Does the hon. member Well, all 1 can say is, that the Forestry think we were talking about forest fires Board are not going to set trees either or afforestation. on my land or outside of it. know all about roots of trees and ploughing Mr Quayle: I would like to read to land, and it is impossible, and I would the chairman of the Forestry Board not allow the Board to set trees on the section (e) of the Tourist Board's report other side of my hedge. As for ivy, which merely asked them to produce planted a thorn hedge this year and the their programme to Tynwald. It should thorn bushes are now covered with ivy. not provide much difficulty. I was read- Ivy grows profusely and I tried 'to kill it ing the Hadfield Report of 1944 Last one year oo all my trees—I have a night and that did not have much diffi- matter of something like 800 apple culty. 1 should like to see some con- trees—and it kept me constantly going structive work in this case. the whole year to kill it or to keep the ivy under control where it was spread- Mr A. Cecil Teare: Much of the ing under the trees. It cannot be killed criticism levelled against the Forestry just like that. If there are a few trees Board appears. to me to be undeserved. am sure it could be done but you have Forests cannot be created in a year. got to go where ivy grows profusely. 1 The Court is well aware of the fact that think the Forestry Board are doing a there is a scheme, and it has been sub- magnificent job which other Boards mitted to this Court. The vote of could follow, £20,000 is the first additional vote that the Forestry Board has had to embark Mr. Corkhill: I would like to thank upon this scheme and it is going to the hon. member for Ayre for his embark on the scheme. The members remarks. From now on we win en- of the Forestry Board are infinitely keen courage people to either cut this ivy or on developing afforestation hut it cannot else we will do it for them.—(Hear, be anything other than a gradual pro- hear). That is what I am saying in reply cess. As a member of the Board. I to that point. I am trying to remember suggest that we are doing a wise and the points but I note, Your Excellency, efficient thing at the presesit time and tMt in your statement you say that we hope that real progress will be seen. £.40,000 can be withdrawn, and it is not Mr R. C. Cannell: I am rather sur- easy for people to carry on the right prised that the hon. member for North plan in that case. The hon, member for Douglas goes round the country with his North Douglas (Mr Irving) is talking eyes shut. The Forestry Board are about spending thousands of pounds on doing a magnincent job and yet, in the planting trees this year, but in three country, there are two different points years time they will have to be of view. I have met several farmers neglected. It's better to have an acre in the country who think it would be of potatoes that are given attention more profitable to have the Island than have two acres that are not. I

Forestry, Mines and Lands Board—Vote of £.46,700. TYNWALD COURT, .IUNE 19, 1956 869 should like Mr Irving to • keep this in Mr Quayle: I asked for a programme. mind, and if he encouraged the people Are we talking about secret weapons? who are trying to do something I think (Laughter.) May we know what is the he would be more helpful, programme? Mr Kerruish: Could we have an Mr Corkhill: There has to be a start, answer to Mr Quayle's question, the and if His Excellency withdraws the one I am interested in? money we will get nowherel Mr Corkhill: I am sorry. Could I have The Attorney-General: You have a the question again. scheme? Mr,Quayie: The question was whether Mr Corkhill: Yes. any action had been taken on the The Attorney-General: But he wants Visiting Industry Commission's recom- to keep it to himself, (Laughter.) mendation "that the Isle of Man Fores- The resolution was carried. try, Mines and Lands Board, be directed to produce to Tynwald a programme for the planting • of hardwood and deciduous trees and flowering shrubs." MANX MUSEUM AND NATIONAL, TRUST—VOTE FOR £9,838. Mr Corkhill: Your Excellency, we have something like one acre or a portion of Deemster Cowley: I beg to move the an acre sown with seedlings at the Nur- following resolution:— sery. This is a new venture—I cannot That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be say a lot about it—but we are en- authorised to apply, from the current revenue deavouring to produce these seedlings of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £9,838 for for this purpose. the purpose of defraying the expenses of the Mr. Irving: I should like to ask Manx Museum and National Trust. whether the chairman of the Forestry The resolution was seconded and Board has contacted owners to have carried. trees planted on privately owned land. I should like to know if they have attempted that or not. If I may explain the question, I have lost count of the NAVAL AND MILITARY WAR PEN- number of times this year I have asked SIONS COMMITTEE—VOTE OF this thing, and it seems that the Forestry £1,348. Board are saying "we are going to stick Mr Higgins: I beg to move the follow- on our side of the fence. This work ing resolution:— could be done by the Forestry Board on That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be privately owned land. Is the Forestry authorised to apply, from the current revenue Board now prepared to say "we will of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, 1957. a sum not exceeding £1,348 for contact the owners and endeavour to the purpose of defraying the administrative assist them with tree planting? " I expenses of the Committee appointed by the mean the planting of deciduous trees, Court under the Navy and Military War Pen- and so on. Is the Forestry Board pre- sions (Isle of Man) Act, 1915. pared to say they will contact the Mr Cottier: I hope I will not be ruled owners of land and endeavour to per- out of order, but I want to know the suade them to carry out some planting position regarding the Board of Social of privately owned ground. Services taking over this Committee. I have had many years of experience both Mr Corkhill: We have had private here and in England on the War Pen- owners who have contacted us, and we sions Committee, and I happen to know have been operating in that direction. the working of both Boards, because I The Attorney-General: Yes, over the am a member of the Board of Social last two years, I think. Services, too, and I am very opposed

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to this switch over, because the rules that there should be some partial mer- by which the Board of Social Services ger in time the Board has stated that work are very hard and rigid, whilst the they are willing to co-operate in such Pensions Committee has a more humane partial merger, but nothing will be done outlook with regard to the disabled — to abolish the work of the Committee Mr Nivison: That, Your Excellency, or their sympathetic approach to dis- is not a fair remark particularly when abled pensioners. I feel sure, of course, it comes from a member of the Board that they would receive equally sym- of Social Services. pathetic treatment from my own Board, and would point out that 1, also, am a Mr Cattier: I say I have had experi- member of the War Pensions Commit- ence of both bodies, and I am of the tee. opinion that disabled persons would re- ceive more sympathetic treatment from Mrs Bridson: The hon. member for the War Pensions Committee both in Middle says he is a member of the War England and here than they would get Pensions Committee, but we do not see from a. Board which is governed by him at any of our meetings, so what rigid rules. I am very interested in this use that is 1 do not know! When we did work, and I make an appeal that this meet it was more or less said that the Committee should not be embraced in system was to be taken over and we the work of the Board. I think it would were to be transferred. Of course, we be a tragedy if the Pensions Committee know we would receive good treatment became incorporated within the Board. from the chairman of the Board, but I know they are trying it out in England, do think if there is to be a change but it is not working out well. in the system that the procedure should have been that representatives of the Mr Nivison: I would say that this Committee should have met represen- matter has not been discussed by the tatives of the Board, and there should Board of Social Services, but a chief have been a lull discussion before a official has been asked if he could give decision was come to in the matter. I accommodation for the services which do not agree with the chairman of the are, at the moment, provided by the Board when he says the work of the War Pensions Committee. There is no Committee will come to an end. We will intention of doing away with the Com- have pensioners for many years — as mittee. It will continue to discharge its long as I may live at all events, be- functions; all we have been asked to cause very young people were disabled do is to provide accommodation. We in the war, and we still deal with cases have rooms which are specially designed from .the. first World War, and I think to enable people to have private inter- due consideration should be given to the views; we have two such rooms, and we disabled to enable them to come to our have stated to the War Pensions Com- rooms rather than direct. them to the mittee that these rooms will be placed top storey of the offices of the Board of at their disposal. We have also told the Social Services. War Pensions Committee that a room for their office will be placed at their Mr Nivison: The rooms are on the disposal, and we have told them there ground floor, whereas in the Commit- will be accommodation if they wish to tee's present offices the men have to have medical examinations. The Board climb ten to twelve stairs. Now with of Social Services has made no approach regard to my non-appearance at meet- to take over the work of the Committee, ings of the Committee, the reason is that but are eager to offer accommodation, they hold their meetings on the same and it has to be remembered that as day as do the Board of Social Services. the years go on the number of disabled Mr Coole: Not the same time, though. cases will become fewer and fewer, and if it is thought by His Excellency Mr Nivison: Not at the same time?

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Mr Coole: No. £65,000 VOTE FOR THE WATER The resolution was carried. BOARD Mr Alfred J. Teare: I beg to move the following resolution:— That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be INCOME TAX ACTS—£.15,800 VOTE authorised to apply, from the current revenue FOR ADMINISTRATION of this Isle. during the. year ending 31st March. 1957, a sum not exceeding £65,000 10 The Attorney-General: I beg to move enable the Isle of Man Water Board to pro- the followirig resolution:— ceed with the programme approved by His That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Excellency the Lieutenant-Governor for the authorised to apply from the Income Tax development and improvement of water Fund, during the year ending 5th April. 1957, supplies in the Isle of Man. a sum not exceeding £15,800 to defray the cost of the administration of the Income Tax Two of the items are for reconstruction Acts. and to enable the Board to carry out Details of the estimated expenditure the work which was detailed when the are set out on page 48 of the Estimates, Estimates were received by the Court. and amount to £15,800 in round figures. The resolution was seconded and Last year's estimate was £15,000, arid carried. the actual expenditure totalled 414,800. The resolution was seconded and carried. VOTE OF £11.313 FOR CIVIL DEFENCE COMMSSION Mr Coole: I beg to move the follow- EMERGENCY SERVICES—VOTE OF :ing resolution:— £200,000 That the Treasurer of the Isle 'of Man be authorised to apply, from the Current revenue The Attorney-General: I beg to move of this Isle. during the year ending 3Ist the following resolution:— March. 1957, a sum not exceeding £11,313 to That the Treasurer of the Tale of Man be defray the expenses of the Civil Defence authorised to apply. from the current revenue Commission. of this Isle, during the year ending 31st There was a debate on this estimate in March. 1957. a sum not exceeding £200.000 for the purpose of defraying the cost of Emer- April, Your Excellency, and I have noth- gency Services approved by the Lieutenant- ing further to add. Governor. Mr Radcliffe seconded, and the reso- The details of the Emergency Services lution was carried. are set out in Appendix 26 at page 28 of the Estimates. The estimated expen- diture for this year totals £200,000, an increase of £5,000 over last year's esti-. £6,000 VOTE FOR PRE-SERVICE mate. The actual expenditure for CADETS 1955-56 totalled £155,345 only. Provi- The Attorney-General: I beg to move sion for flour subsidy has been in- the following resolution:— creased by £10,000 to £80,000, whilst the That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be provision for guarantee payments on authorised to apply. from the current revenue of this Isle. during the year ending 31st fatstock remains at £100,000. Expendi- March, 1957. a sum not exceeding £6,000 to ture under the Guarantee Payments refund to the Imperial Government Service Scheme in 1955-56 totalled £67,749. No Departments expenses incurred by them and provision has been included under the to defray other expenses approved by His Excellency the Lieutenant-Governor in con- Beef, Mutton, Pork, etc., subsidy, as nection with the Isle of Man Pre-Service these subsidies have now been super- Cadet Units. seded by the Guarantee Payments The vote of £6,000 is the same as in- Scheme. cluded last year. The actual expenditure The resolution was seconded and of £6,798 in 1955-56 was caused as a carried. result of four years' claims being re-

income Tax Acts—R.15,800 Vote for Administration.—Emergency Services—Vote of £200,000.—£65,000 Vote for the Water Board.—Vote of £11,313 for Civil Defence Commission.—£6,000 Vote for Pre-Service Cadets. 872 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 ceived from the Director of Navy ac- This is a similar grant to the one counts in respect of the Sea Cadet Corps. made last year and it is for the purpose of supplying water outside the boun- The resolution was seconded by daries of the town of Douglas. Demster Cowley and agreed. Mrs Bridson seconded and the reso- lution was carried. £30,000 FOR ELECTRICITY SUP- PLIES TO FARMS Sir Ralph Stevenson: I beg to move RAMSEY COMMISSIONERS DE- the following resolution in the name of ' VELOPMENT SCHEMES—E6,375 the Chairman of the Board:— VOTED That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man he The Governor: I call on the Chair- authorised to apply, from the funds standing 'man of the Local Government Board. to the credit, or the Isle of Man Accumulated Fund, a sum not exceeding .E.30.000 to enable Mr Crellin: 1 beg to move the follow- the Isle of Man Electricity Board to proceed ing resolution:— with the scheme for the provision of elec- tricity supplies to farms in accordance with That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be arrangements to be approved by His Excel- authorised to apply (a) from the current re- lency the Lieutenant-Governor. venue of this isle during the year ending 31st March. 1957. a sum not exceeding £375 as a Mr Taggart seconded. contribution by way of grant to the Ramsey Town Commissioners of 75 per cent. of the Mr R. C. Cannell: I would like to ask cost of the preparation of plans for the -de- velopment of the South Ramsey Clearance a question. The last time the estimates Area, and (b) from the funds standing to the were debated I suggested that there credit of the isle of Man Accumulated Fund, should be a certain amount of money a sum not exceeding £6,000 as a contribution by way of grant to the Ramsey Town Com- held over in order that, where neces- missioners towards. the cost of the improve- sary, supplies could be connected to ment of the sewerage system in Ramsey at buildings where there had been a change a total estimated cost of £12.500. of tenant. Recently we have been told This development scheme at Ramsey that the money has been allocated, and is to enable the Commissioners to get I suggested last March that certain on and improve the sewerage system of monies should be held over. I would the town. Mr N. Campbell-Litte, of a like to know what has happened to my firm of London engineers, has issued a suggestion. report, and I am glad to be able to tell Sir Ralph Stevenson: I think the the Court that the Ramsey sewer as point is under consideration. originally constructed is still perfectly good and can carry all the sewerage The resolution was carried. that will pass through it for many years to come. The whole trouble there, ho.w- ever, is that stirface water is getting in £4,000 VOTE FOR DOUGLAS COR- and the reason of the Commissioners PORATION (SUPPLY OF WATER in putting forward this scheme is to get OUTSIDE BOROUGH BOUNDARIES) rid of the water by improving the tidal locks and carrying out pumping. We Mr Crellin: I beg to move the follow- recommended that 50 per cent, of the ing resolution:— cost be provided and that is the amount That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be put before the Court to-day. I have a authorised to apply, from the current revenue full report on the matter. It states of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, 1957, a sum not exceeding £4.000. being that there is storage capacity in the a payment to the Douglas Corporation in pur- tunnel sewer for 450,000 gallons. or one suance of the resolution passed in Tynwald and a half times the present dry weather on the 14th December. 1954. in connection with the scheme for the supply of water to flow of sewage. The period of tide lock the extended area of supply of the Corpora- is only six hours. Therefore there is tion. storage equivalent to six times daily

2.30,000 for Electricity Supplies to Farms.—R4,000 for Douglas Corporation (Supply of Water Outside Borough Boundaries). —Ramsey Commissioners Development Schemes—R.6,375 Voted, • TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956 873 dry weather flow. As far as Ramsey Mr Crellin: I will read the whole sewerage is concerned the tidal locks nine-page report if you wish. are good, but there are small leaks which Mr McFee: Is ii, an extension of the will require watching. In dry weather existing scheme or a new one? the sewer is perfectly capable of taking all the sewage that goes into it. This Deemster Cowley: We may remember report concerns storm water and the that some years ago there was a scheme construction of a number of manholes put up then. and a certain amount of pumping which Mr Crellin: And this improves it. will be required. The report says that This scheme prevents paper going out the work at Queen's Pier is good, but with the sewage. can be improved to prevent paper going The resolution was carried. out with the sewage and littering up the shore. It is a long report, Your Excel- lency, and among other things states that the Ramsey Town Commissioners PEEL COMMISSIONERS DEVELOP- made a mistake in sealing up their MENT ,SCHEMES—GRANT NOT sewers. There is ,a stench at certain EXCEEDING £2,372 VOTED times of the year, and these people say that the Commissioners have made a The Governor: Item No. 40. I call on terrible mistake because they are seal- the Chairman of the Local Government ing up foul air, which must come out Board. somewhere else. They give the cost Mr CI elfin: I beg to move the follow- based on English prices, and they say ing resolution: this cost should' cover it. Most of the That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be work will be done locally, and I hope authorised to apply, from the current revenue the manholes will be cast locally. The of this Isle. during the year ending 31st Report estimates that the electricity cost March. 1057. a sum not exceeding £2,372 as a for pumping should not amount to more contribution by way of grant to the Peel Com- missioners of 75 per cent. of the cost of a than about £.10 per annum. Your Ex- scheme for the repair of the Peel Promenade cellency, there is another scheme in con- wall and the protective bulwark, being the nection with Ramsey sewerage before balance of the vote of £11,000 passed by Tyn- the Local Government Board, and that wald on the 17th June. 1953. deals with all surface water coming This is simply balancing the Budget, down Bowring Road and the adjacent Your Excellency. roads. When that comes into being the Agreed. Ramsey sewerage system should work better, even better than ever before. Mr Bolton: This is something differ- ent from all the other votes we have on PORT ERIN COMMISSIONERS DE- the agenda. This is a scheme which we VELOPMENT SCHEMES—SUM NOT have not had before us already. EXCEEDING £297 GRANTED Mr Crellin: It is a scheme for next The Governor: I call on the Chairman year's winter work. of the Local Government Board, Mr Bolton: We have a scheme here Mr Crellin: I beg to move the follow- ing resolution:— on the agenda, and the first we hear of it is what the hon. member tells us about That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be it. We have had a scheme from Cas- authorised to apply. from the current revenue of this Isle. during the year ending 31st tletown on similar lines, but all other March. 1957, a sum not exceeding £297 as a schemes are considered in the estimates. contribution to the Port Erin Commissioners I think we should have more informa- of 73 per cent, of the cost of the second part of the scheme for the improvement of Bracida tion that was given us by the hon. mem- Road. being the balance of the vote of £2.400 ber in four minutes. passed by Tynwald on the 22nd June, 1955.

Peel Commissioners Development Schemes—Grant Not Exceeding £2,372 Voted. Port Erin Commissioners Development Schemes —Sum Not Exceeding £297 granted. 874 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1956

This is also balancing the Budget, This Gd, per gallon does not refer to Your Excellency. the rebate on aviation spirit quoted at Agreed. the previous Court. Mr Nivison: Can I •ask about heavy oils. I know that a vote of Tynwald PORT ST. MARY COMMISSIONERS' cannot increase the amount, but you can DEVELOPMENT SCHEMES—SUMS reduce it. I want an indication from TOTALLING £1,007 GRANTED the members of the Court that they were sympathetic to a reduction on The Governor: I call on the Chairman heavy oils for motor spirit. of the Local Government Board. The Governor: It is included in this. Mr Crellin: I beg to move the follow- Mr Nivison: They got 6d. I want more. ing resolution:— (Laughter.) We gave a reduction OD all That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be oils, but I say 2s. has a crippling effect, authorised to apply, from the current revenue of this Isle, during the year ending 31st Deemster Cowley: You said that this March. 1957— morning. (a) A stun not exceding £512 as a grant to the Port St. Mary Village Commissioners Mr Nivison: I want to know how I in respect of a scheme for the improve- can test the feeling of the Court. ment of the Four Roads Corner, Port St. Mary. being the balance of the vote of Deemster Cowley: You cannot move £4.600 passed by Tynwald on the 21st an increase. You can only ask to move October, 1952. a resolution in July. {h) A sum not exceeding £82 as a grant to the Port St. Mary Village Commissioners The resolution was agreed. of 75 per cent. of the cost of the com- pletion of a scheme for the reconstruc- tion of Bay View Road (Part 21, being the balance of the vote of £598 passed by Tynwald on the 22nd June, 1955. DEVELOPMENT SCHEMES—g80,000 (c) A sum not exceeding £413 as a contri- VOTED bution to the Port St. Mary Village Com- missioners in respect of the cost of the The Governor: I call on the learned completion'of the construction of Clifton Attorney-General. Road, in terms of the resolution passed by Tynwald on the 1st March. 1948. being The Attorney-General: I beg to move the balance of the vote of £558 passed by the following resolution:— Tynwald on the 18th June. 1952. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be This, too, is balancing the Budget, Your authorised to apply, from the current revenue of this Isle during the year ending 31st March, Excellency. 1957, a sum not exceeding £80.000 for the pur- Agreed. pose of defraying the cost of schemes to be approved by His Excellency the Lieutenant- Governor and Tynwald to provide employ- ment during the winter months of 1958-57. REBATE OF 6d. PER GALLON ON This is a reserve fund for His Excel- HYDRO-CARBON OILS. lency to deal with relief schemes, Can I again impress there is provision_ made The Governor: I call on the learned in the estimates for the larger vote for Attorney-General. the schemes, including this £80,000, The Attorney-General: I beg to move Mr Bolton: There is only one point in the following resolution. connection with this resolution that I That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be have to make. It does say "for the pur- authorised to apply, from the curent revenue pose of providing employment in the of this Isle. during the year ending 31s1 March. 1957, a sum not exceeding £60,090 for winter months of 1956-57." I think it the payment of a rebate of sixpence per should be made perfectly clear that galon In respect of hydro-carbon oils used in there are a number of schemes already the Isle of Man in accordance with arrange- ments to be made by His Excellency the provided for and going through in the Lieutenant-Governor. Budget which in the normal course

Port St. Mary Commissioners Development Schemes—Sums Totalling £1.007 Granted.—Rebate of 6d per Gallon on Hydro-carbon Oils.—Development Schemes £80,000 Voted. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 19, 1958 875

would come out of this. We have voted Mr Taggart: It would be helpful if we £50,000 for the Airports Board and there could be told the man power that is are votes for the Haithour Board and likely to be involved in these schemes. Laxey. These votes were to be held in The other point. I personally would be reserve to provide schemes on which this prepared to support the suggestion of £80,000 is to be spent. I hope the Boards Deemster Cowley. Circumstances have who have these schemes will put them now changed, Your Excellency. It might into operation as quickly as possible, become a serious position at the back- so that no part of this 80,000 will be end when you might have to withdraw necessary. all this £80,000. But you could hastily summon the Executive Council. I am The Attorney-General: Exactly. sure it will meet with the Court's Mr Bolton: I hope we won't have the approval. I cannot see members or position as the hon. member for Rushen the Court placing obstructions. I would has said this morning that there will be be prepared to vote with Deemster Cow- panic trying to spend this 80,000 in ley and cross out Tynwald. September. I hope we won't have any Mr Quine: I would support that. You reason to spend it. cannot get work going in a week. Deemster Cowley: 1 wonder could we ; Mc McFee: I wish to support it, too. leave out the words "and Tynwald." I am certain that we will be glad to Remember that Ty,nwald will be up in , draw on some of this money in October. JUly The Harbour Board, the largest employ- ing Board, have not made preparations' Mi 'Bolton: I think criticism of that to employ one extra man for next win- was made last year. It was said that ter. I feel that unless something is done any scheme would require the approval now we will be in exactly the same posi- of Tynwdld. . tion as we were in October. The Attorney-General: The only thing Deemster Cowley: I beg to move the on that particular point is that it is a words "and Tynwald" in the next to matter of the convenience of the House. the last line be deleted. Remember in October you may have other thoughts in your minds. Mr Kelly: I beg to second. The Lieutenant-Governor: I will put 'neetrister Cowley: Tynwald won't be the amendment. That the two words be meeting again after July until October. . deleted. 2nd, and there was a lot of talk to-day about panic. Surely here is the oppor- The amendment was carried. tUhity to leave the possibility of a sud- den decision being taken to his txcel- The resolution, as amended, was then put and carried. lency. I can quite see the position -on the 2nd of October, when this Court The Lieutenant-Governor: The Court won't be in a position to go into lengthy will now adjourn and will meet again details of a scheme. at 11 o'clock in the morning. Mr Bolton: We have done that in the The Court adjourned to Wednedsay. past, in past schemes. June 20th, 1950, at 11 a.no.

Development Schemes—E80,000 Voted.