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H.R. 4103, TO DIRECT THE SEC- RETARY OF THE INTERIOR TO TRANSFER CERTAIN PUBLIC LANDS IN NATRONA COUNTY, WYOMING, TO THE CORPORA- TION OF THE PRESIDING BISHOP, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES LEGISLATIVE HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL PARKS, RECREATION, AND PUBLIC LANDS OF THE COMMITTEE ON RESOURCES U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION May 4, 2002 Serial No. 107-113 Printed for the use of the Committee on Resources ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house or Committee address: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 79-434 PS WASHINGTON : 2002 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate 11-MAY-2000 14:51 Feb 04, 2003 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 79434.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: HRESOUR1 COMMITTEE ON RESOURCES JAMES V. HANSEN, Utah, Chairman NICK J. RAHALL II, West Virginia, Ranking Democrat Member Don Young, Alaska, George Miller, California Vice Chairman Edward J. Markey, Massachusetts W.J. ‘‘Billy’’ Tauzin, Louisiana Dale E. Kildee, Michigan Jim Saxton, New Jersey Peter A. DeFazio, Oregon Elton Gallegly, California Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, American Samoa John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii Joel Hefley, Colorado Solomon P. Ortiz, Texas Wayne T. Gilchrest, Maryland Frank Pallone, Jr., New Jersey Ken Calvert, California Calvin M. Dooley, California Scott McInnis, Colorado Robert A. Underwood, Guam Richard W. Pombo, California Adam Smith, Washington Barbara Cubin, Wyoming Donna M. Christensen, Virgin Islands George Radanovich, California Ron Kind, Wisconsin Walter B. Jones, Jr., North Carolina Jay Inslee, Washington Mac Thornberry, Texas Grace F. Napolitano, California Chris Cannon, Utah Tom Udall, New Mexico John E. Peterson, Pennsylvania Mark Udall, Colorado Bob Schaffer, Colorado Rush D. Holt, New Jersey Jim Gibbons, Nevada James P. McGovern, Massachusetts Mark E. Souder, Indiana Anibal Acevedo-Vila, Puerto Rico Greg Walden, Oregon Hilda L. Solis, California Michael K. Simpson, Idaho Brad Carson, Oklahoma Thomas G. Tancredo, Colorado Betty McCollum, Minnesota J.D. Hayworth, Arizona C.L. ‘‘Butch’’ Otter, Idaho Tom Osborne, Nebraska Jeff Flake, Arizona Dennis R. Rehberg, Montana Tim Stewart, Chief of Staff Lisa Pittman, Chief Counsel/Deputy Chief of Staff Steven T. Petersen, Deputy Chief Counsel Michael S. Twinchek, Chief Clerk James H. Zoia, Democrat Staff Director Jeffrey P. Petrich, Democrat Chief Counsel (II) VerDate 11-MAY-2000 14:51 Feb 04, 2003 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 79434.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: HRESOUR1 SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL PARKS, RECREATION, AND PUBLIC LANDS GEORGE P. RADANOVICH, California, Chairman DONNA M. CHRISTENSEN, Virgin Islands Ranking Democrat Member Elton Gallegly, California Dale E. Kildee, Michigan John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, American Samoa Joel Hefley, Colorado Frank Pallone, Jr., New Jersey Wayne T. Gilchrest, Maryland Tom Udall, New Mexico Walter B. Jones, Jr., North Carolina, Mark Udall, Colorado Vice Chairman Rush D. Holt, New Jersey Mac Thornberry, Texas James P. McGovern, Massachusetts Chris Cannon, Utah Anibal Acevedo-Vila, Puerto Rico Bob Schaffer, Colorado Hilda L. Solis, California Jim Gibbons, Nevada Betty McCollum, Minnesota Mark E. Souder, Indiana Michael K. Simpson, Idaho Thomas G. Tancredo, Colorado (III) VerDate 11-MAY-2000 14:51 Feb 04, 2003 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 79434.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: HRESOUR1 VerDate 11-MAY-2000 14:51 Feb 04, 2003 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 79434.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: HRESOUR1 CONTENTS Page Hearing held on May 4, 2002 ................................................................................. 1 Statement of Members: Cubin, Hon. Barbara, a Representative in Congress from the State of Wyoming ........................................................................................................ 4 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 6 Faleomavaega, Hon. Eni F.H., a Delegate in Congress from American Samoa ............................................................................................................ 7 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 10 Radanovich, Hon. George P., a Representative in Congress from the State of California ................................................................................................... 1 Rehberg, Hon. Dennis R., a Representative in Congress from the State of Montana ..................................................................................................... 12 Statement of Witnesses: Dobos, Barbara, Casper, Wyoming ................................................................. 20 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 21 Jolley, John, Casper, Wyoming ....................................................................... 39 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 40 Kennell, Edna, Casper, Wyoming ................................................................... 47 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 48 Kimball, Katharine, Director, External and Intergovernmental Affairs, U.S. Department of the Interior .................................................................. 64 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 66 Larsen, Lloyd Charles, Lander, Wyoming ...................................................... 54 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 56 Lorimer, Scott, Riverton, Wyoming ................................................................. 13 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 14 Parady, Hon. Fred, Wyoming State Legislature, Rock Springs, Wyoming .. 25 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 27 Underbrink, Lee, Casper, Wyoming ................................................................ 36 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 38 (V) VerDate 11-MAY-2000 14:51 Feb 04, 2003 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 79434.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: HRESOUR1 VerDate 11-MAY-2000 14:51 Feb 04, 2003 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00006 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 79434.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: HRESOUR1 LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON H.R. 4103, TO DIRECT THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR TO TRANSFER CERTAIN PUBLIC LANDS IN NATRONA COUNTY, WYOMING, TO THE COR- PORATION OF THE PRESIDING BISHOP, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. Saturday, May 4, 2002 U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on National Parks, Recreation, and Public Lands Committee on Resources Casper, Wyoming The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:10 a.m., in the Oscar ‘‘Swede’’ Erickson Gymnasium, Casper College, Casper, Wyoming, Hon. George Radanovich [Chairman of the Sub- committee] presiding. STATEMENT OF THE HON. GEORGE P. RADANOVICH, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Mr. RADANOVICH. Good morning. My name is George Radano- vich. I’m a Member of Congress from California and Chairman of the Subcommittee of National Parks and Recreation and Public Lands, which is a Subcommittee of the Committee on Resources in Washington, D.C. Can everybody hear me OK? Good morning. Is that better? My name is George Radanovich. I’m Member of Congress from California. I represent California and the Yosemite National Park, and I’m Chairman of the National Parks Subcommittee of the Committee on Resources. And I want to welcome everybody here today to our hearing, and just kind of wanting to go over a couple of ground rules about how the hearing is going to work, what a hearing is and what it is not, and then go and probably read the same thing in my official statement, but I just want to make sure everybody’s clear how this hearing is going to proceed today. This is a hearing that complies with the rules of the House of Representatives. And there are certain things that we do in order to make sure that everybody’s views are entered into the Congres- sional Record. I think that’s the whole purpose of a hearing, is to make sure that things get into the Congressional Record about any particular issue. (1) VerDate 11-MAY-2000 14:51 Feb 04, 2003 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00007 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 79434.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: HRESOUR1 2 A congressional hearing is quite different from a town hall meet- ing, in that there’s not a lot of unorganized public input. So a cou- ple things that we would ask the audience to refrain from doing would be cheering or applauding, or rooting for your side or things like that because again the purpose is to really get the information down into the record, so I would ask everybody’s indulgence on that. And we are going to have three panels of witnesses, and then after that, as a special request from Congresswoman Cubin, we will, at the end of the hearing, open up the floor to give people the opportunity to speak. Unfortunately, people have airplane tickets, planes to catch. My son has his birthday party