Wednesday, April 26, 1978 r n . s i . v A a . - K . t f Vaisakha 6, 1990 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES

■■V . j),- 1 r'7 t ""S (Fourth Session) s A

7HI*M 33*

(Val XIV contains Nos. 41—50)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW Price', Rs'4.00 CON TENTS No. 44, Wednesday, April 36, ipySfVaisakha 6 , 1900 (Saka)

Columns OraJ Answers to Questions : ^Starred Qustions Nos. 865, 868 to 870, 872, 876, 879, 881 and 883. 1— 34 Written Answers to Questions : Sta 'red Questions Nos. 864, 866, 867, 871, 873 to 875, 877, 878, ■ 880 and 882...... 35— 45 Unstirred Questions Nos. 8120 to 8193, 8195 to 8262, 8264 to 8298 and 8300 to 8319. .... 45— 230 Matters Under Rule 377— (i) Reported hunger strike by casual workers of LIC Calcutta. Prof. Dilip C h a k r a v a r t y ...... 230— 32 (ii) Reported decision of Bengal Immunity Ltd. Calcutta to close its factories and sales offices. Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 232 (iii) Reported smuggling of , , Opium etc. Shri S. R. Damani 232— 33 (iv) Reported AIR Broadcast alleging ticketless travel by some Congress (I) workers on 6-4-78. Shri Vasant S a t h e ...... 233— 34 Papers laid on the T a b l e ...... 235— 37 Re. Business of the H o u s e ...... 238— 39 Committee on Public Undertakings— Ninth Report...... 239 Committee on Subordinate Legslation— Eighth R e p o r t ...... 240 Committee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes— Nineteenth and Twentieth R e p o r t s ...... 240 Committee on Private Members’ Bill and Resolution— Eighteenth Report ...... 240 Coal Mines Nationalisation Laws (Amendment) Bill —Introduced 241 Demands for Grants, 1978-79— Ministry of Home Affairs 241 Shri M. N. Govindan Nair 242— 45 Shrimati Rano M. Shaiza 245— 49 Shri Baldev Singh Jasrotia 249—54 Shri G. M. Banatwalla 254 "“59 Shri Ram Deo Singh 259—56 * The sign -I- marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. w

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Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta .... 266— 76 Shri Keshavrao D h o n d g e ...... 276— 84 Dr. Sushiia Nayar ...... 285—98 Shri China Basu ...... 299— 302 Shri Hari Vishnu K a m a t h ...... 302— 10 Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy 310— 18 Shri Nathu Singh ...... 318— 27 Shri B.C. Kamble .... 3*7—30 Shri Somnath C h a t t e r j e e ...... ? —35 Shri M. Satyanarayan R a o ...... >51*—54 Shri A. Bala Pajanor 354—^3 Shri S. D. Patil 363—73 Shri Ahmed Hussain . . . 373—75 Shri Bakin Pertin 375~79 Shri Dhanik Lai Mandal . . 379— 88 Ministries of Communications, Energy, Finance etc. etc. . 391— 98 Callirg Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Reported Mine Accident near Kota resulting in some deaths. 336— 51 Shri Sarat Kar 336— 38 Shri Ravindra Varma 338—39* 34*—43> 345—46, 349—5* Shri Saugata Roy 339—4* Shri Mahi Lai 343—45 Shri Chaturbhu) 346— 49 Appropriation (No. 3) Bill, 1978—Introduced 399 Motion Under Rule 388 - Suspension of rule 218 (2) in respect of Appropriation (No. 3^ Bill, 197$ .... 399—408 Business Advisory Committee— Sixteenth Report 408— 422 Half-an-Hour Discussion Pi ice Hike on Tyres 408— Shri K P. Unmkrishnan 408— 12 Shn Jjotirmoy Bosu 412 Shri George Mathe\ 412— 13 Shi 1 George Fernandes 413— 22 LOK SABHA DEBATES

2 LOK SABHA THE MINISTER OF STATS IN CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI CHAND RAM)

in Marine Engineering in the insti­ w f a r w m ft f t ** $jr *t % tution, resulting in the increase in the annual out-put of trained en­ rr4v*m rrf#$ irr 1 2 s gineer officers from 100 to 300 per It 25* vr | annum.

*rmsr f t *st *wht MR. SPEAKER: The Member also t, art wretor yftfiwT fiwnr % wanted to know as to how many have gone out of India during the last 5 years? f i e n w *arr^TT fa f t w 5 ^mr fo?rft sfta SHRI CHAND RAM: About 15 to 20 per cent of the trained officers *np; »ift w f »rft'? sfiwrw have gone outside *nrf*r 2 ft 1 ft >rt «ft toTfc w?ft *mrft: fiifrir ^ «rt»iT rroft ffJST * %*rr#?r ft w r <^ft % fa* W *FW '?5T* *ft | ? u‘9rm*r tPtx f«RT *rarT5f*r p r <1* wrftar vt t& m i **rft ft #»r |?t vt T t ^ % # r ft v tf TOTT f*RTTT W* W ft TTflT | *rr ftn»rfc!f f t f ? ft, ?ft WVWT ft «TT «WT fjRTT ftpVT $ «W it* tut : ftrftw ^ v m ?f*r»r % «rrer

SHRI CHAND RAM: About 15 ~ -668. SHRI DHARMA VIR VAS- (e) ten years and above.-Rs. 2,500/- 20 per cent of the trained office ISHT: Will the Minister of INFDR- per,.... screening. have gone outside. MATION AND- BRDADCASTING be pleasedto state: (ii) Regional [eaiure films: Rs. 2,000/- per screening. 5>;(ttm"n: ~t mt~t : fufirlf 'iifm- (a) the mode of production of T.V., filmsshown in its daily program- m m'tO ~fSlff if; ~'f.if cprr ~ (Hi) Dutstanding/ Award winning meson various topics; and films: li~ 'liT ~T~ fern lim~ 'liT ~ (b) whether privately produced Rs, 8,5UO/- per screening. . RCI" i'f i'f,. 'fiT~T'fi~~ if 'fi1l: ~ Alms are also exhibited; if so, under lIT ~w- Ili~f({f _~? - ~ ~, at whatconditions and circumstances to- 2. Childrens' Films Society: ~~~ if ;m n: 'flfT fCRT~ fClilIT~ ~ gether with the nature of payments madetherefor? 0) for films of 5 minutes or less.- ~'f ~-oo ";fif liffi ~ GIT~''tlTTf Rs. 200/- per screening. ~j~ tff'Vl ~CfC \iff 1958 if GT'fTt'fT

(b) more than IB minutet.—R«, 500/- per screening. Ir wmn % fat? 2900 r o r

It. On outright purchase basis: f t thFRT fcw r % fin? wtrft (i) Film* produced by individual 2 v m rm $ m outstanding Producers: *ft * tf m m x fa faa# Rs. 20/- to Rs. 50/- per foot for for * fa fo t j f fas* % t * black and white film on outright pur­ chase basis depending on the follow­ ing factors:— •ft WW |W( WWI*ft : 3TRTHRPIT (a) Cost of raw-stock. URsxnpr right basis for specific period or hired m m m % ** y v r W r on royalty basis. The payment is WK, tftT 3 W fsRRr tpW'MmiPM negotiated with the producers keep­ ing in view the international rate ftwr ^iT o t t, 3*rtt Tt*«5jfT»r structure which varies from agency fw rr t, fa?r% w r *pf 3rot*r to agency and film to film. fftT, W Rqxnvfw amrr| 1

wfoe : wtft * ^ «ww ^rwr : wr % | ft ’tfforr te r aft « ft *1* m m m | fv lt% m 1 8500 W* «

f a r o t , qnfeSNfl' itafc&Pf wider field and thane is greater- de­ mand for viewinf; in the earn of % ftntwi wraoft : fora if more enchanting than heard on TS SOT ?f foRTTT % ^ 1 1 Vijayawada Station; and srcrprrqrcfrs*rfif)5»T apft^ (c) if so, the reasons therefor? ^T jfawr trv ^ f*m «TT, f ^ f i * *fto 3?Vo, ^ TS ffJT 3RFT ^fap?r 3ITTO THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI M rT *ft ®T/ v)T (lc*?* Ih!H( L. K. ADVANI): (a) Yes, Sir* fafasiT % snfraft ?aftffir # «ft i Several foreign radio stations which are equipped with high power trans­ mitters provide clear reception in India.

SHRI o. V. ALAGESAN; I do not (b) and (c). The programmes have the statement before me but I taadiated on MW KaWnsmittera from understand that there is some sort of the radio stations in the country are discrimination between what you pay properly audible and are of good to a Hindi feature film and- a regional quality within the primary service feature film, that is Aim in other area of individual transmitters. The languages than Hindi. They give quality and reception of these trans­ Rs. 8000 or 8500 to a Hindi feature mitters outside the primary service film and only Rs. 2000 to a regional area may not be satisfactory. film; for films which get awards they give Rs. 8500. This any ordinary Hindi feature film is equated to an The reception of Radio Ceylon award film in other languages. Why Commercial Service programmes is this discrimination made? That which are beamed to India on short­ means the government is partial to wave channels could be better at cer­ Hindi film industry as against other tain locations in India which are out­ language film industry. Why is this side the primary service area of the discrimination made? mediumwave transmitters in the country ineluding those at Vijaya­ wada. SHRI L. K. ADVANI: There is no discrimination. It is of course true SHRI K. MALLANNA: The hoa. that certain films, Hindi films have a Minister has almost admitted these I I Oral Answers APRIL 26, 197$ Oml Answer? 12 points. Tbe importance of radios in station and it can be heard ijj Ba»> rural «Mas cannot be neglected. It may, Delhi and ottMfr! mefcro^lien gives tecsud edneatten- to the rural cities. people and HjWirtr knowledge about agriculture; so ^rrf very likely that certain powerful ^rTT i Jtrr w n trrcr $fwri transmitters across the borders are able to be more effective and in cer­ St qT fc, $ TRT 3[«r 9—10 tain cases, the transmission are be­ % wnr tfaft g ?ft Tftrarr, amed specially towards Indian audi­ m fe w r, tfteft*, wnrni ence and the Government is conci- ous of it and at the moment various w s fir??ft *fnft schemes are being thought of to up­ wnrnr 335ft sro^ffefrti ww^t* grade the transmitters and strengthen »far | SrfiR tnrr them. *FT Tt 9Tflf ft *1% ?ft SHRI K. MALLANNA: What are SPTFTFF PRfVt ft 11 those schemes? $ lifter % ^ n - ^r^rr VfT f*P 5® SnfhFV ff SHRI L. K. ADVANI: The schemes % S!*T, rft * f as the hon. Member would appre­ ciate, would depend upon the availa­ bility of resources and depending ^ ^■'T^t $r*ft upon that, we propose to upgrade qr fro wpt w*nr wfr ^rar these transmitters.

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- vpt iiT w r fyn | srtf ftaft ift DER; The hon. Minister in his reply admitted that gome foreign radio r|, % wnwfr # parison with Dacca radio station, Cal­ aft % ?n^r^— ^rfMr cutta radio station would be made % fmrvnr % ^ ww

W iW IT * m . SPEAKER: Thai he ha, men­ tioned earlier. About the other nat­ TJRm TWmW f f f W ' J l rJwTT ter he has already answered. arrif. i itw *pt jsrpw* so srflra?r^fviT w it, w # io sftaw * * i J f f f | SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: I want to know whether be has any fU fft **®T I ft! w & t ^ *r*st serious plan for that. He says if I vfev It wpp ^forr vt *frsnr i give notice of a separate question about Pondicherry, he will answer. I have to wait for a hundred days for SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: In his that! answer, the hon. Minister of Informa­ tion and Broadcasting said that their MR. SPEAKER: Next question. policy is to propagate the policies of the Government and also to educate the villagers. I would like to know whether he is aware of the fact Labour Trustees m Paradip Port W... . + •870. SHRI PABITRA MOHAN PRADHAN: MR. SPEAKER: He never said that. SHRI AMARSINH V. RATHAWA: SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: I think it is the policy of the Government to Will the Minister of SHIPPING reach the villagers and to educate the AND TRANSPORT be pleased to villagers. Whether it is this Govern­ state: ment or some other Government, this must be the policy of the Govern­ (a) whether the seats of Labour ment. When he said that 90 per cent Trustees in the Paradip Port Trust of the country has been covered, is Board were kept vacant during the he aware of the fact that there is a entire term of the Paradip Trust toy station in Pondicherry which can­ Board from 1st April, 1976 to 31st not reach even 15 KM, but which is March, 1978; supposed to broadcast to villages near Karaikal which is 80 miles away and (b) if so, the reasons thereof; Mahe, which is 400 miles away? Radio Ceylon is very much affecting the (c) whether the newly constituted areas in Tamilnadu like Tirunelveli, Port Trust Board for Paradip Port has Tiruchi, Coimbatore, etc. Has he got been notified on 31st March, 1978 with­ out labour trustees; any proposal and have adequate funds been allocated to his ministry to imple­ ment a scheme tor reaching the rural (d) whether Government had re­ population by Radio? ceived the result of verification of membership of registered trade uni­ ons operating at Paradip Port lor (he SHRI L. K. ADVANI: If the hon. purpose of appointment of Labour member gives notice of a question Trustees prior to the issue of noti­ relating to Pondicherry, I will give fication fOr the newly constituted him full facts. Port Trust Board for Paradip on 31st March, 1978; ami SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: The question is about (disturbance from Ce) if so, the reasons why the la. Radio Ceylon. I have said that Tir­ bour seats have again been kept unelveli, Tiruchi and Coimbatore are vacant in the newly constituted Port affected. Trust Board for Paradip? 15 Oral Answers APRIL H , 1978 Oral Answer*

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN If we can get it, it will be helpful, CHARGE OF THE MXNISlltY OF particularly when America refuses to SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRl give nuclear fuel to us. CHAND RAM): («) Yes, Sir. SHRI MORARJI DESAI: The hon. (b) In view of the split in the member had asked whether new de­ majority union, namely, the Paradip posits are found and to that I have Port Workers’ Union, Government said, no. There have been old de­ was not in a position to form its posits. Monazite sands are there. opinion, as required by law, as to Some monazite sands have probably who were capable of representing been exported. With thorium also it labour employed in the port. can be done, but it has to be pro­ cessed. We have not yet readied (c) and (d). Yes, sir. that stage. When we reach that stage it will be used properly. (e) The verification report in res­ pect of the registered trade unions of port workers at Paradip Port was received from the Ministry of Labour Liquor Poisoning Deaths in Delhi on 30th March 1978. However, 12 Members of Parliament from Orissa *876. SHRI YADVENDRA DUTTr have made representations stating SHRI RAM SEWAK that the verification haa not been HAZARI: done properly. The entire question is, therefore, being further examined Will the Minister of HOME before labour trustees are appointed AFFAIRS be pleased to state: on the Port Trust Board. (a) whether it is a fact that seven persons have died in Delhi after con­ Thorium Deposits in Orissa suming liquor; *872. SHRI SARAT KAR: Will the (b) if so, the action Government Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be propose to take to prevent such tra­ pleased to state: gedies in future; and (a) whether it is a fact that new (c) the assistance given to the fami­ deposits of thorium have been found lies of the deceased persons? in Orissa recently; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (a) In three separate incidents dur­ MORARJI DESAI): (a) No, Sir. ing the months of March and April 1978, a total of 9 persons died due (b) Does not arise. to alleged consumption of spurious liquor. Six of the deaths occured in SHRI SARAT KAR: Speaking from Shastri Nagar, 2 in Shahdara and one distant memory, I read in a local in Haus Khaz. Three castes have Oriya paper long ago a scientist been registered and are under in­ writing that in the river valleys of vestigation by the Crime Branch of Orissa there is thorium or other Delhi Police. potential fuel or something like that. But now the Prime Minister has said (b) A Magisterial Enquiry has that it is not found. May I request been ordered into the incident at him to have some query done because Shastrj Nagar. Constant vigilance We do not know most of the things’ by the Excise Intelligence Bureau 17 Oral Answer* VAISAKHA fl, 1900 (SAKA) Oral Answer* xg. and De&i Police over the elements very simple question. The purpose indulging in illicit distillation and of the intelligence is to check the sale of laquor is being maintained and crime and to find out whether actual­ whenever complaint or information is ly the crime is committed. There, received, appropriate action is taken his Intelligence is weak. May I ask according to law Checking at bor­ the Minister that m view of these ders has also been intensified repeated incidents in Delhi, will he strengthen his Intelligence and act (c) No assistance has been given immediately as soon as the Intelli­ to the families of the deceased gence finds out that something of thi* persons. sort is going on anywhere?

SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT Sir. AN HON MEMBER Sir, he gays the hon Minuter has just said that “His intelligence is weak” Anything Intelligence Bureau are also going personal7 through these cases in spite of the Intelligence Bureau and all the SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL' checking, it is probably the third in­ Yes, we shall d0 this cident of sale of illicit liquor and drinking and death in the public I SHRI YADAVENDRA DUTT Sir, would like to know what steps has he hag not replied to my question the Minister taken to see that these MR SPEAKER He said, he will things just do not take place and do it He accepted your suggestion enforcement is done properly

SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL *r> xm fcwr ?nnft $ w «P ^ rr Sir, whereever a complaint is made w i t f fir jjqrr?: fw pr % fa* about the sale and distillation of wfwfoft am m | snr liquor immediate raid is conducted and culprits apprehended Moreover, *rr tfit ft $pt f t waft ft all round vigilance is kept in that nftr: t *pT«r

rm rft ?>ft 11 sft**?to* ifhjTW ft w r % SHRI YADVENDRA DUTTA v m * ft irafr ft Sn, it is strange that in s>pite of the % t o f st «ftv# wn*ft ** ’ ttw vigilante the Minister has to be in­ fo m©d of the complaint m writing aF?rrft|, ^ftfr tftnftr tf\TT Then he goes into it I am putting a qfft fr f uT<*n *ftftrar f*nrr •f t ip Oral Answers APRIL 28, IfW Oral AwMXmt

*g $ x p $ ftp % srrtff they would proceed on these t#ft fronts the urgency that tfo *rtw «fanwr wr | situation deserves? ^ jftrcr it** ft ?fr T^r $, ?ft jwt w vt *#*)• ? THE PRIME MINISTER (SMS MdftA&JI DESAI): May I tell m hon. Member that he need not de­ WW TOW : JTf

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*p t *w r s t a r ? (c) whether any training has been imparted to the weavers under the project on various aspects of the hand­ loom industry? eft qmfefar s r t w m m t f^ r^ r sfar THE MINISTER OP INDUSTRY ^rstr: % tn*r (SHRI GEORGE PERN ANDES): (a) to (c). The Government of India had i s w t n w * sanctioned an Export Oriented-eum- H>T *>W ^ t J *TT^r ^TRT Intensive Handloom Development jfftn rr 1 1 66 ?rrar m Project for the State of Himachal Pradesh with b total financial outlay T??T| I 1R T TT**ft % i f a ft 'JTI't'n'I'O of Rs. 66 lacs to cover 1000 loonft W'HWfa ffSFT % ^ t § fatr Jjft over a period of five years. A sum of Rs 10 lacs was paid to the State Gov­ *ftfzyr ' w f y v i ernment a« initial release during 1976-77 for the implementation of this project. The Project commenced SHRI VASANT SATHE: Is it con­ functioning in March, 1977. The Pro­ cerned with marketing? ject covers seven districts of Hima­ chal Pradesh. By January, 1978, Training centre at Simla had SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I* started functioning. Out of a total of is concerned with marketing and the one thousand looms, 180 looms have development of the entire project over been modernised. The Design Deve­ a period of five years, for which lopment Centre at Simla produced 25 Rs. 66 lakhs has been allotted. designs by January, 1978. Action has also been Initiated for setting up of a Dye-cwm-Pinishing Plant at Bilasptir through the Himachal Pradesh P.W.D. eftfrrf W : v m «F$T t f V fgnwn wjt ?ft vnsrt^inT %

^ ^ f t arrnprr i * wwwtj % flWHWT % f^rtr oft *nq% qwfr# IW fwnpr % q w fti vt Hiarfyf^nft- fr*r $firar iW rite m m 1 1 Jf »nnHte «rn> *3 Ora! Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Oml Answers

g f t w T « w t g w rm yfrfr? q ^ a f t for modernising the handlooms of the- country with improved technological s frfh ff fen t ffrnw % fat? and mechanical devices. w r Tavt v tf sfttvfnr *ft irn?% fcnr I would also like to know, while- fjiF ftnrr t ? *tf* *nr fw r r % * r t talking of exports through the export * i f t «w t 5® snifa t ? corporation, whether you have an assured market or a market survey •ft «rwf v rW n r: f t i w *t has been made. I am told that hand­ loom goods are becoming quite «TT popular abrbad. So, I would like to ^R^ft 78 ^T, JTRt STH-T % q^# $ I know whether even for this corpora­ tion there is already an assured sRsrtr Jm r aft a rn v i 0 *r *fr 5 ft «rrcr * n f market abroad and whether that fias fc 33% flrftPT for jrfu % problem is not really of design. The National Institute of Designs, Ahme- fiRra'jT fatr *r*ft t t s * t * k + t < dabad, is engaged in going in for a snft?T^h?Tt*im *R T ^ tt i ar$r?PF large number of designs, and each H iW d *i v r ?r^T5r t i ,u® ^ v r r ft^ F P T State has its own unique designs which institutes and organisations ^t 5|%W W $ *ftr *TT5T ffaWT t'nrjTT connected with handlooms keep on sfti 1 5* ?>ft afrr *n w if f M T^rr improving upon. Most certainly the designs developed in this Institute | * f k 5T?^ *T f a f f a FT 3f^t ^ 8 can be used elsewhere if they are j| nftnr wnwhr ??tt *r aft found useful by other States which m m | stpt v i Trstft are also concerned with the produc­ tion of handlooms, through their cor­ srcrc vt tfwmf ^r fM t^ctt | porations. * f t r ^ r % m m St f o r f a «rr

'STTrTT ^ I ^?tf fffR T f I t N 1 ^TPT Regarding marketing, it is true that there is a very large market for our *St Jlf jffaRT ^ I «TTET STR Sf WT5T it handloom textiles abroad, but then m t ?w *rt s*ft *ft* *rcra- *r fan; all exports are governed by a number of tariffs and other restrictions which t l the importing countries invariably flay down. In fact, in our textile SHRI VASANT SATHE: I would exports we have been facing this like to know from the hon. Minister restriction in the last one year parti­ whether it has been found that the cularly. But there is no problem in 25 designs of handlooms which have finding the market for the handlooms been made by this Institute in Hima­ both inside the country and outside. chal Pradesh could be usefully utilised In fact, in the course of the next five throughout the country for modernis­ years our efforts are to increase the ing the handlooms. Instead of com­ handloom production in the country pletely eliminating the handlooms from 2500 million metres which was from the power looms, if you could the production in the current year, to modernise them with the help of these about 3700 million metres in five designs, it would help a great deal years from today. We shall try to the whole handloom industry in the achieve this target. country. Therefore, may I know whether any such pilot experiment has been maoe and whether such an «nwh fn?r: wr attempt is being made to have a plan *T$tcPr srrwrfoqmflwvtsft 35 ora l Answer* VAISAKHA 0, 1900 {SAKA) Oral Answer* a6

* t If WfNT 7f# Subsequently, we have made ea te­ ries also. Bat there is no specific ftww ^ «rr ftrcrtft wr complaint about the excessive price w jn »F*ft f t »r$ $ ?? w t * R f % of yam. There are some seasonal fluctuations that take place but besides w f ta T w w v t ’J’RTFT that, there is no camplaint. If any 11 ?ft ’TOtffaTT * fr % wWt v t specific complaint is brought to our fa sr« ftr sra% ftrir p w i f f t «% notice, we shall see that effective steps are taken so that the yarn 1Wtfr 1TS& f a w $w WTFfiT 3TT WTfT reaches all those areas ^ wfhrr jt’thpt ^nfip *fr ir srtn1 aft % *ITffT % «fh: *lf^ it «ft TO shot : iraft aft *rt %rnr?r sr^r ^ t o *mg7: *ft, &r srrer Terr fT ft farm swosr irefrrirtftirftvTTrf | V 1 ^ fsnr*T % |? r w r wrft »r£fa wfr % fWr ITPT W nr*r|t ’ qy& t, qsft JfiftT %■ *nrra ^ 11 ?rt nrft «rt anw wfafiRT: *h r VFFftyr w\ w «r wnf gsmr tor »f* ir r t q?t aft sraft % qrr^ % fW ?rt w w »?ftw : w f^rr^ *** f*r ^pr : fw ? : fr^r i *pr *rarR % i *fart rata: faf : wt * m ft srr *w«ft |# q rs ?* ^ ^r ^Frft * f t h w j srara : sft f ir v ’cw f 11 tPF? ^r?: ?rr% ft ^r«r sr*r?r ^ett ?ft 3 ^ *rcs % fat* «rr«r% ^tf zfrsrsrr **pft | 7 W t t f t *rf *ft I eft VTf?r % ^ f t ft STPT *f*T

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI- Hand- SHRI N SREEKANTA NAIR- The looms is the largest industry in the name of our handloom products is rural sector Even m Kerala, Tamil being tarnished by powerloom Nadu, Karnataka and many other places, there is acute shortage of y®m MR SPEAKER That question and the pnee of the yarn is double does not arise The Minister has now made a welcome statement that the production of handlooms will go up from 2500 SHRI S R DAMANI What are million metres to 8700 million metres. the specific qualities which are re­ But I want to know, what were the served for production m handloom concrete steps that you have taken sector? to achieve thig target? The poor handloom weavers are at present MR SPEAKER That does not facing the crisis of scarcity of yarn and arise. increased price of the yarn The yarn is coming from the powerloom sector. This Is a very serious problem. Fewer Shedding by D.E.S.U.

SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: *881. SHRI YASHWANT B0BOIJE: This Point was raised earHer also end Will the Minister of ENERGY be I had made a statement at that time. pleased to state: Oral Ansuters APRIL 26, 1978 Oral Amtaf y m

til) whether the attention of Gov may have to be resorted to ia rfttatfrn fatiaent has been drawn to a news in the different areas of Delhi lor vttjr itisti in the 2*uUan Express dated the limited periods. 28trd March, 1978 reporting that the Oajtttal may be plunged in darkness SHRI YASHWANT BOROLE: M*r from the last days of April as DBSCJ I know from the hon. Minister a* to Will shed power for eleven hours a what is the total requirement al p&Wer day; per day lor Delhi consumption dad (b) if so, the reaction of Govern* what is the production of DESU units stent thereto; and and what will be the deficit that will be felt during summer? (c) the steps that are being taken to improve the situation and save the SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN: For the Delbiwalas? unrestricted requirement of Delhi, We need—that is our estunate>~-400 MW THE MINISTER OF ENERGY in May, 420 MW in June and 420 (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a): MW in July and for the restricted Government have seen the news item. requirement, it will be about 380 MW. (b) and (c). There is no appre­ As it is, the generation of power ia hension of any serious power shortage about 170 MW in DESU and 150 MW in Delhi. in the Badarpur Thermal Power Station. We are trying to meet all The power requiremhentg of Delhi the requirements of Delhi. At the are met by generation from the power moment, there is no restriction or stations under the Delhi Electric load-shedding in Delhi. Supply Undertaking and the Badar- pur Thermal Power Station which SHRI YASHWANT BOROLE: Ihe operate in an integrated manner with production in the Badarpur plants is the Northern Regional Electrical Grid. expected to be 300 MW. But at pre* There is enough installed capacity in sent, it is producing only 80 MW per these power stations to meet the day We spending lakhs of rupees on full requirements of Delhi. In the the repair of the plant and we are not, event of forced outage of one or more however, able to increase the produc­ thermal generating units, assistance tion and, therefore, there is likely to will be needed from neighouring be a deficit in suply for Delhi, what systems in the Northern Region to is the position? tide over the shortage. Power ex­ changes between neighbouring systems SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN: lo to meet shortages within individual Badarpur, out of three units, two systems and optimise the use of the units are functioning with less genera­ total available generating capacity tion, roughly about 140 to 150 MW. to meet th|T requirements of the regfCft, One unit is out of order. That is as a whole, more fully and more being repaired. It will take a couple economically fT a normal feature of o fmonths to get it reparired. We integrated operation of power systems are taking all steps to see that the end grids. One Unit 0f 210 MW is power generation is maximised in the acfyeduled to tte cdmmissionfed at Badarpur plant. Badarpur Thermal Power Station shortly, whereafter the situation in TOIX8 IV Delhi is expected to improve further. However, in the unlikely event of *5 ^rf?rr g Pit i s t fr ***- simultaneous forced outage of more than one generating unit in the f s w thermal power stations in Delhi, |, aft m ftrrr i m t f piprer interruptions for short peri©4s cannot be ruled out and load' shedding $ t ifh Oral Antwtrt VASflAKHA. 8, i960 (SAKA) Oval Am ir* SHRI P RAMACHANDRAN h #Wr WfT * WqT *F fN> WvTvT fw * as it is with regard to Bhakra powe* spT^mCir vT3T arr t ftwritrwr supply, it is only the partner Statas which have to agree to sujtply power $ WJBTT faf?T *PT w w *lt ^ to Delhi Even otherwise for the peak purposes, we are drawing power turn «*? the Bhakra Management also to sup­ ply to Delhi As it is, in Delhi there if- SHRI p RAMACHANDRAN As r§- not much shortage excepting the noti­ fied cuts at various levels of a minor gatds DESU power stations, the total nature I can assure the hon Mem­ effective capacity, is about 820 MW, ber that Delhi will be taken care oi out Of which 62 6 MW will have to be in the summer also. There will not b» power shortage supplied to under an agree­ ment because they also participated in the installation The effective avail­ Indian Jute Mills Association ability is about 257 MW One unit is out of order m the I P Estate power •883 SHRI DHIRENDRANATH station it will take a little time to BASU Will the Minister of INDUS* get it repaired As far as the Badar- TRY be pleased to state pur plant is concerned, we have got three units out of which one is out of (a) whether he is aware that the order The other two units are func­ Indian Jute Mills Association and the Management of Jute Industries have tioning, one generating about 85 MW decided to introduce partial or full arid the other generating about 65 MW closure from mid May m order to conserve raw jute and reduce produc­ at the moment tion of Jute goods by Jute Industries throughout India, fare * * * ira$*T fa?*fr *?> (b) if so, what steps Government ^ trcfffiz * iH p fa ^PTRrrr propose to take to stop such disas­ trous action, «ra& i t * srarr ?n insOT q fk m \ fa*rtf T?V 3^ f*3T5ft *f|pT (c) whether Government contem­ plate to consider the decision of i * n a h ft £ *ta: withdrawal of caah assistance for hessian exports with effect from April firarcfr fqvpft ** * ?> *rf i ar*Tqr 1; and e*?rrs «r ftnRfl’ ^ sn?ft (d) if so, when the announcement 11 ?rfto irftar sfrr# is likely to be made and Government notification in this regard will be ’Tiarc Wigarf t 3fTcft h published? *r *5 3r?RT^ q r THE MINISTER OP INDUSTRY iranfcrartf«rarcft (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES) (a) ftwRft wr firarf arupft, and (b) It is understood that the Indian Jute Mills Association are not 3lf* fa&ft wrt jt * q^rar?T aware of any such decision having been taken by the management of Jute t l mills 31 Oral Answer* APRIL 26, 1978 Oral Answer* 33

(c) and (d). Caih assistance on ex­ problem, whatsoever. I don’t visuatijp port of hessian has been withdrawn any shortage of raw jute during the •with effect from 1st April, 1978. current season, SHRI DHIRENDRANATH BASU: It SHRI DHIRENDRANATH BASU: .appears from the reply of the hon. Whether the Minister is aware that Minister that the Indian Jute Mills already thousands of notices have been Association have been keeping it a served on thousands cf employees for top secret. But the fact remains that laying off and whether he is agreeable the jute industries had introduced to negotiate that the sick industries partial closure or full closure from may be amalgamated with sound cne?. mid May. There have been a series There are various jute industries which of meetings in this connection in order are Still closed. Whether the Minis­ to reduce production of jute goods ter will make all possible efforts to and conserve raw jute and also on get them opened and see that the account of shortage of power. In view sick industries or closed industries o f the circumstances explained, whe­ are amalgamated with sound ones. ther the hon. Minister will start negotiating with the management of SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I an* jute industries and ask them to con­ not aware of any notices having been tinue to manufacture the goods as served. I was in Calcutta yesterday, before. and among those who met me were also trade unionists who were con­ SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I cerned with the jute industry. Not don’t think jt is necessary to have any one of them mentioned about notices discussion with the management of having been received by the workers jute industries because there is ade­ regarding closure or retrenchment. quate supply of raw jute in the coun­ try. Last year’s production was about Regarding merger of the sick units >68 lakh bales. The carry forward stock in the jute industry with the healthy was about 10 lakh bales. This works units, that is a proposal whicfa we out to 78 lakh bales. We have enough shall keep in mind as and when any stock with us to see as through cur­ decision is to be taken. There are e rent season. The next stock wil] few sick units just now. Some of start arriving in the market in the them are being revived. The middle of July, and the information is Kinnyson Jute Mill will be revived that we are having a bumper croD immediately, and we are taking deci­ this year. So, there is no problem, in sions in regard to some of the other so far as availability of raw jute is closed and sick units in the jute concerned. The jute mill owners art industry. accustomed to cry wolf now and then. They did it some months ago when they said that they would like to lay off workers. They would like to fa art sft*tt? ffm 9 w tfifV cut back on production. We introduced SFTff

wtt* qnflf £ absorbing the 80,000 laid -off workers from different jute mills, in some form T>y «rrar srJ *$ «rafarf?nfr * There is no problem of laid-off $r«r ^ ffcrr »wt $ wt workers before us just now sn? g,«rt»r *ftr j£ tr w to ^ sn^r t t SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU 80,000 fa^R fsRT% %* ir^JJE^T 3WTS?r last year sfft 3?ra?t m i ft s% ? SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES Last year’s problem I cannot solve this year At the moment there is sft *n f qwtofar *rs*sr ^>nr no problem of laid-off workers before us w z t t t t j t fftT safa *r w tt »r millowners are accustomed to crying r ? «r 1 fsr^TT ?fttt % ?rr«r f® wolf regularly once m every three ^TT^tcT »ft f f «ft lftT?rsrf?T

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUES­ (*) tftr (w). yretmnoft * TIONS sftr$*rcf % q^r ?en> w fa s f s*ft wmwmuft * ftftm vtnmf % fw* £tf»wf % Ir sfrfatf ir t 3rr£ t arvr^r far $ fastffrsr « r ^ yfi f t IRf? 5TTHT* arrft 1 1 5TcT tfta wfi $ fftmr «rr^m- * 864. * r r wrft % 53 ffTes^rc fw Rr »r«Jr »fa: m m wit *rf jrtt^t ptt ^ fapr^ Ir 32 vnmmmt % rth «f^*r fo srrfaFJf vf vrfmf % ^ #fw?r ^r*nr

(«f ) w t srr«FTW’»fr ^ fafaw JT T T *tK 21 xttft «rff ITTT ^ wwnff «ftr vtftaf % fnw f ^ 2ri 'shVfFRl' % FT ^ fjpjfacT «R% * t s w w tI; Conference on National Integration

(V) ft, rft WT *886. SHRI D. B. CHANDRE GOW­ w«r for? «it *t*t wrc 7$ furasft, »npn?ft DA: Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS be pleased to state: ^VrfT^cT ^ f^ra^ff «fft sfVriJ^TTf % *TTT TT fsr®rf^?r WTT?rt ^ t ITT f ^ ^ *PT SPRIT* (a) whether Government propose to call shortly a conference on Na­ *' tional Integration m view of the dis­ turbances which have recently taken (*r) w t *r?r 15—20 w f If ssn> place, particularly in the State of w f a r e *p^T*tvnr^ T^^lr «r«rt Uttar Pradesh; f>rsTJfr flwflm stajffd % * * «r (b) whether all the recommenda­ «r % «p t srarrcr fc, sft flrc ft * t tions made during the last meeting afr^fY v f a f w str tt | , of the National Integration Council have been implemented; (* ) Jrfe fT, ^ «p* ?rv (c) if not, the reasons therefor; fa* arr* sumr % 7 and

^*nr swnw *WV («ft *ira (d) -whether Government propose to appoint any Standing Committee fwi ««wuft ■ (v) ^ ftj# »ft to ensure implementation of such re­ efor * flriNirf «ift tojfar vroVr commendations'' wnmawff «rr fnk toV | I *if THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE f*m nft TnhrrtV ftrfopr MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ira farffr?r v «^rrr & s % (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANUAL): 5 $r t f f *r tot jto qr W t t o t fr; (a) to (d). The last meeting of the National Integration Council was held in June 1968. It had made recom­ (w) flrftre ^r Ir W f* *tt mendations on communal aspects, « w r %qff «rr yrnwft, *t w ? f? r regional aspects, educational aspects % fa ir w v t f

action. Recommendations which re­ Export Association of America has quired legislation or specific adminis­ been allowed to unport 100—150 films trative arrangement being undertaken, annually as per their Agreement with have already been implemented. Government of India signed in Apnl. Other recommendations are in the 1975 nature of guidelines which would require to be kept continuously in (c) The membericompames ol view The National Integration Coun­ Motion Pictures Export Association of cil in 1968 had recommended the America are allowed repatriation to constitution of a Standing Committee the extent of 15 per cent of their earn* to oversee the implementation ol the ings or Rs 25 lakhs per annum which­ recommendations of the Council The ever is less. Film Finance Corpora­ last meeting of such a Standing Com­ tion procure films from abroad on out­ mit tee was held in 1970 The Council right purchase basis and in their case, had also recommended the constitution therefore, the question of repatriation of a Sub-Committee to review the com­ of earnings does not arise munal situation The Sub-Committee met on the last occasion m 1969 SMHBMt Government have not so far taken any Number o f ftlm proposed to be imported by decision in regard to a Conference on Film Fmmet Corporation, country wise, during the National Integration or constitution of year 1978-79. any Committee thereof S No Counh y No. «»f films Import of Films from various countries I Canada . *867 SHRI C K JAFFER SHA- 4 EIEF Will tne Minister of INFOR­ 2 U S A . 0 MATION AND BROADCASTING be Yugoslavia a Pleased to l®y a statement showing 3 4 Poland (a) the number o>f foreign films proposed to be imported during the 5. Italy 6 current year from different countries, 6 UK 4 (couni y-wise), 7 Gevlon 1 (b) whether Government have re. moved the ban on import of films from 8 Japan . 3 USA and if so, the details thereof, 9 France 10 and 10. Sp4in a Cc) the amount of earnings that are allowed to he repatriated by the 11 Algeria 1 countries exporting films to India7 19 West Germany 1

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION 13 Hungary 6 AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L K Greece 1 ADVANi). (*) The Film Finance Cor­ *4 poration proposes to import 60 films «•) M orocco 2 from 20 countries (Statement attached) during the current year In addition, 16 Switzerland 1 the member-companles of Motion Pic­ 17 Egypt . 1 tures Export Association of America are allowed to import 1W—150 films 18 Czeehoriwakta 1 annually in terms of their Agreement »9 Sweden 1 with Government of India. 20 Hong K01 g 1 lb) These is no ban on the import of Total films from U.SA. The Motion Pictures 39 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answers 40

Baa on we ef brand names by multi* not ordinarily be allowed for use on nationals the products for internal sale.

*871. SHRI NIRMAL CHANDRA (c) Existing provisions, 6f the Trade JAIN: Will the Minister of INDUST­ and Merchandise Marks Act, 1958 as RY be pleased to state: well as the Foreign Exchange Regula­ tion Act, 1973 are considered adequate (a) whether Government are aware for protecting the interest of Indian of the tact that through international industry. brand names like Lux, Cadbury, Ana- cin etc. multinational enlarge their markets, increase profits and enhance Foreign Financial Assistance to corporate images resulting in virtual Religious Institutions monopolies and thus give a set back to the indigenous products; •873. SHRI S. S. SOMANI: will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (b) m view of the above whether pleased to state: Government propose to ban the use of International brand names, and (a) whether it is a fact that there are some religious institutions in the (c) other measure which Govern­ States which are permitted to seek ment contemplate to prevent harm financial assistance from abroad; being done to Indian Industry’s eco­ nomy through the use of international (b) if so, the details thereof; brand names? (c) the total amount of foreign assistance received by such institu­ THE/ MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tions during the last three years; and MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- MAT1 ABHA MAITI); (a) The trade (d) any arrangements made by Gov­ marks. Lux, Cadbury and Anacin are ernment to ensure that the assistance being use^ by the respective manufac­ so received is actually utilised for the turers in India for the last several purpose for which it is given? years. The respective manufacturers are also registersed under the Trade THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and Merchandise Marks Act, 1958 as MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS the registered users of these trade (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) marks. While granting permission for and (b). Under Section 6 of the tne use of trade marks under the Act. Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act, the following requirements are kePt *n associations having definite, cultural, view:— economic, educational, religious or social programmes are required to (i) The use of the trade mark give an intimation to the Central Gov­ must not be against the interests of ernment regarding the amount of the general public. foreign contribution received by them. (ii) The use of the mark must not (c) The information regarding the adversely affect the development of total amount of foreign assistance indigenous industry, trade or com­ received by the religious institutions merce. since 5-3-1978, [the date of promulga­ tion of the Foreign Contribution (Re­ (iii) The user arrangement should gulation) Act upto 31-12-1977 is being not involve trafficking in the trade compiled and will be laid on the table mark. of the House. fb) While approving new foreign (d) The associations referred to collaboration proposals, a condition is above are required to give an Intima- Imposed that foreign brand names will 4 x Wr*t«n Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 41

turn residing the purpose for which AraotafcMri ef mw Director la and (he manner in which such foreign BARC contribution 'was utilised They are also required to keep a separate set of •875 SHRI D D DESAI accounts and records to be maintained exclusively for foreign contribution SHRI SAMAR GUPTA received and to submit to government Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENER­ annual accounts duly certified by a GY be pleased to state. Chartered Accountant (a) whether a new director is being appointed for Bhabha Atomic Re­ Atrocities on Harijans search Centre, and

•874 PROF P G MAVALANKAR ('b) if so, the details (hereof7 Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (a) whether he proposes to perso­ MORARJJ DESAI) (a) and <*>> The nally supervise the effective action question of appointment of a new being taken all over the country m Director for the Bhabha Atomic Re* the matter of reducing and eliminat search Centre will be taken up at the mg cruel and ghastly assaults on Hari­ appropriate time The vacancy is jans and other economically and not likely to arise before June 1978. socially backward communities (b) if so, how and when, and rrcnmr wfarfwr, i9«3 wm (c) if not, why not7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS *877 shwr* (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL) (a) SWR fTTT ^ f a to (c) Crimes against the members of the Scheduled Castes are punishable (*-) wt % under the laws of the land and come spra wftaw *FPrfara'T *Ft within the purview of ‘public order’ I f a * OTWOT wfafajnT whicn is a State subject However, 1963 T* 1<>76* the Centre keeps in close touch with the State Governments and offers sug­ gr?rft fatpfT ^rnr ^ gestions from time to time regarding (jgr) jrfr &r, ?r> wt measures for curbing such offences an

sm m siift («ft tfrroft lint) : (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANUAL): (a) The Citizens’ Central Council was (v) *r (*) row vmfa* % wound up in August, 1977. srerrefarer fa ror % s o w w r irrfhTFT apT*r?W ’Tjffr $ I (b). The Council was not doing work of a nature and significance that required the continuance of such a body. It was considered that the work New Science M e r Resolution handled by this body could more ap­ propriately be handled by tne Minis­ •878. SHRI G. M. BANATWALA: tries concerned. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH MALIK: Raising of Floor Price of Natural Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND Rubber TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: *882. SHRI GEORGE MATHEW (a) whether the proposal to prepare Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be a new Science Policy Resolution which pleased to state: was mooted by the late Dr. Shriman Narayan after the first meeting of (a) whether tyre industry in India NCST last year had been given up by has got any objection to the raising the National Committee on Science & of the minimum floor price of natural Technology; rubber; (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and (b) whether he agrees to the cost study report regarding the minimum (c) the salient features of the New price of natural rubber, of the Fin­ Science Policy Resolution? ance Ministry and the Rubber Board, which was submitted sometime back; THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI and MORARJI DESAI); (a) and (b). The (c) whether he agrees that a mini­ National Committee on Science and mum remunerative fair price should Technology at its meeting held on be given to the natural rubber gro­ September 29-30, 1977 and March 23, wers of India? 1978 discussed the question of revision of the Science Policy Resolution and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE finally decided that there is no need to MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- revise the Resolution, since the basic MATI ABHA MAITI): (a) to ** tt f t * r the present level, keeping in view the need for the ready availability of such vt fatft s^rrr jtttt fairr w r «tt ; an establishment which can be switch' ed over at short notice to a war orga­ nisation, in times of need. (*) *

m r im m if t w w t (jfto 5* ’'TfVWfPT W^SPT fa?) : (t) 3ft 1 8122. *4 fa* *nf : WT ( * ) iftT (*T). ttT 3%T»T *f> WH i p i *frft *nj *r srrf enrr «f# «r «ftT wrt f * r f a • fW ir nrifrrT *rct arT *mf forr inn (v ) WT ITT* % fHTJir % ’TT 1 it tffarfarT vuf *T It <&Rft sknr njwyrarg ^ %w> ?i vtf vw ?r^t faur 1 jfw «rr fa («ft TH?) . (*P) other employees should also be given aft, fir i to the Konkan Service TJnlt. Cc) After discussions with the em­ (sr) % ( * ) . *rrip=R it *p>m ployees’ representatives on all the tfTVTT *RT flTOT *TWTC %JT§TFfaft issues, an interim agreement has been concluded on 10-4-1978 and the im­ $T HSffSRT ^t>f 4lrt \T5T^ I ^ffT ??Rf pending strike averted. v f snfH^T^r *nrftr?r t m jtc^p *rra% v* *$t *ii a w srem%r ■Frftmft q>> $fa?r t o t *rsnr # ■ | i vfTTt fafafs, wfeft if fircm t $*PTf ?RT T f ^ r WTO* % 812 4. *ft WT TW 5TIW : WF smr 'Tfft $ i *r**t*T*r t *rnr arenft *Ft Ftr ^ ^ »rFnfiqn>Tf *fV *m\ ?5trt fa *far*r ^ 1 1 (m) w t fgrfafrg, Smft qr«RrJt ijg % fairftT

w t o ! : ( « r ) (sr). (b) what are the demands of em­ ployees; and ^toq^rofoi^ro, irhft % ^rrtr ^nft in^fw *5finfWf % 7Rr ftto t zvn&Br (e) what steps Government propose to take in the matter? i t mftifir v&m* 49 Written Anroers VAISAKHA 0, 1900 (SAKA) Written Awwtra 50

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8 125 «ft 'SPjpfa . Wf 33rf if^t Proposal to amend Prisons Act ^ TOf% tft f*rr f^?} fr 8126 SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- ( t ) w t ^T-tfVtftTOT srercrsafta DIA WiU the Minister of HOMB AFFAIRS be pleased to state r tfrsfaRT sttt foaft ^ thtth: fro^ft *pt ftnT *ftr (b) Question does not arise l ’CRWR------TT ' TWT TORTS T O ! -M-aaX ^rrcnft ? ffwt

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(w ) w&ff % (a) the main reasottt for the aecurltjr force* not occupying private lands,, *rar wr | tflr a* t s* % jtw gardens, etc. in the bean of the villa­ **rr f «flr z i f t m m frwft fc aft ges in Nagaland whieh 1$ also disturb- r w m sfaftr f t ftrcnftsr % *mrrc ed area like Miaoram; *tt yftrfir #

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«w Hw i wiffiwt w um fl # *wrr fc«k»ito*i*r m m m * b u g . 8131. SHRI ABDUL AHAD VAKIL: 8130* ^ J W V f * W ( W * Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: m vmiftft wwft ft vrr (a) how many persons from Pakis­ fa . tan held part ol Kashmir crossed over to Indian side territory in the years (w) m ?ft*T *raT % inrtfhr 1075, 1976, 1977 and t 0 date; %»n * W n r it (b) how many of such persons were vwrm'r ^ flfwr fvenft «ft *At 53^ prosecuted and details of punishment thereof; and wrft pt state*

tf $ %q wrt *r ipra (a) how many workers and staff t srk g?* % rcsr q* t o tft W fV 1 were recruited during 1972 to 1975 in different departments and in different categories In M.A M.C Durgapur, Department-wise and category wise %?rr *ft qfrct it ^ *rc *1 fafa- figures, fsnrr xainwt *rt ?* *m*r *rhft «wf (b) how many of them were sent 7T WT on TfT t ' «nr % 'FT*l$ ft Vtfr from Employment Exchange; and t at frufiw faforwm «*ff qr (c) names and number of Employ* ment Exchange cards of those workers SPTT* % 5HRH fait «rr& ff *w? fa * and staff who were sent from ESnploy- ^ qsf *fft ift**rrrr tsrfr f f «fVt f r w xnent Exchange and recruited subse­ quently after interview? W R OT'TOT f t • VfflfWT, faftfw n ^ *nroit % qj? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wnr i*n% ¥t tnrnnrr t c ift MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- MATI ASHA MAITI): fo). The re­ ft Mil fant <*t Tfl 9 * quisite information is given in the- .55 Written Answers APRIL 28, i m Written Answers

statement is laid on the Table of the in question and the junior Class I House. [Placed in Library. See No. (now Grop ‘A’) scale is made LT-2190/78.] through the same competitive ex­ amination; (b) 99 persons as detailed below. (Employment through other avenues (ii) the duties and functions per­ is also explained at the end of the formed by the Group ‘B’ officers answer). and the Group ‘A’ junior scale offi­ (i) Officer 1 cers are almost identical; (ii) Supervisors 53 (iii) the nature of duties and re­ (iii) Ministerial 41 sponsibilities and the qualifications required for the Group ‘B posts are (iv) Para-medical 3 such that employees in the lower Cv) Unskilled worker 1 grade can fulfil them on promotion; and 99 (iv) the feeder grade or service for the Group ‘B’ posts is sufficiently (c) Information is given in tthe large. Statement laid on the Table of the House, rPlaced in Library. See No. The information relating to the LT-2190/90.] cases where Government decision has been applied in the Ministry of De­ Recruitment to Class II posts fence is being collected and will be placed on the Table of the House. 8133. SHRI KISHORE LAL: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (c) It is fact that the Government state; decision has not been made applicable to the civilian cadres in the Army (a) whether it is a fact that as per Ordnance Corps as they do not satisfy Recommendation No. 18(2) of the Ad­ all the conditions mentioned above. ministrative Reforms Commission :nd Recommendation No. 98 of the Third Pay Commission, district recruitment to Class II posts whose incumbents Report on Tidal power in Ktttch and perform duties similar to those pllot- Cambay Region ted to junior Class I Officers have been accepted by Government in principle; 8134. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: (b) if so, from which date it was 'Will the Minister of ENERGY be ' accepted and how many cases have pleased to state: been decided as per the new policy and (a) whether Prof. E.M. Wilson of UNDP has submitted his report on (c) whether it is a fact that this tidal power in Kutch and Cam’>ay principle has not been made applica­ basin to the Government of India; ble to the Army Ordnance — quested to the Central Government (i) recruitment to the Class II for financial assistance for the pur­ (now Group B. Gazetted) service pose; and 57 Written Answers VAJSAKHA $, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers

(e) il so, the reaction of Govern­ lunar cycle, following the fluctuations ment thereto9 ui the tidal range. Its absorption in the power systems requires firming THE MINISTER OF ENERGY up by complementary operation witn (SHRI P RAMACHANDRAN) (a) other sources of power It was felt Yes, Sir that potentials from developments ia the Gulfs of Cambay and Kutch as (b) Based on the topographic il envisaged in Prof Wilson’s report are tidal and other information available so large that it would be difficult to Prof Wilson had outlined in his re­ absorb the fluctuating output from port several alternative possibilities them in the Gujarat/Western regional to tidal power development in Loth Grid m the foreseeable future In tae Gulls of Cambay and Kutch The view of this the possibility of develop­ salient features of these alternatives ing a smaller scheme in the Gulf are given m the statement attached. of Kutch has been considered Ab­ He had recommended a phased pro­ sorption of power output even 'rom gramme for carrying out investig i- smaller tidal schemes m the pre­ tions and studies to establish the pot dominantly thermal system of Gu]arat ential, formulate the schemes ot will be a problem Further detailed development establish their techno investigations and studies are requir­ economic feasibility etc ed to finalise the schemes of develop­ ment and establish its technical fea i (c) to (e) The report of Prof Wil bility and economic justification In­ son had been considered The Gujarat vestigations and formulation of scheme Govt had approached the Central Govt for tidal power development requites for financial assistance for taking uo an interdisciplinary approach involv­ the investigations in the Gulfs of ing paiticipation by several organisa­ Kutch and Cambay tions A comprehensive view has to be taken on the investigations and The power output from tidal sche­ studies to be earned out by different mes fluctuates over the day and the organisations

Statement

Gulf of Cambay Gulf of Kutch

Alternative schemes of operation C i Ca Ki K <2 M Single Single Single Single Two basin basin basin basin basin s>s- tcm with­ out pumping

Mean tidal range (m) 6 8 6 8 5 3 5 3 ■i 3

Length of structutcs (km) *6 3a 1 96 3« 34

Installed capacity (MW) 7364 55>o 1187 1182 586 AnnuSd Energy Generation (CWH) *5394 11583 3°37 8984 ia66

Estimated cost (R* crores) . 19*5*1 Not work­ 593*5 Not work­ 468. ed out ed out 59 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1976 Written Answers 6 o

Setting up of ocean Science and Tec­ (c) if not, reasons for the same? hnology Agency THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 8135. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) to (c). At present, there is no pro­ (a) whether Ocean Science and Tec­ posal under consideration of the Cen­ hnology Agency was set up; tral Government to switch ever to (b) if so, when; and Hindi or regional language as official (c) the work dorie by it during language in the Supreme Court, High 1077-78? Courts. However, under article 348(2) of the Constitution, read with section THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, A De­ 7 of the Official Languages Act 1063, partmental Board for the Ocean the Governor of a State may, with the Science and Technology Agency has previous consent of the President, been set up. authorise the use of Hindi or the offi­ (b) In December, 1976. cial language of the State, in addition (c) An Inter-Ministerial Committee to the English language in proceedings with representatives of the user- in the High Court or for the purpose Mimstenes/Departments has examined of any judgement, decree or order pas­ In depth the plans and programems of the various Ministries/Departments sed or made by the High Court for that and agencies and their requirements State. So for, the President has given of facilities tor multidisciplinary and his consent for the optional use of inter-agency research for development Hindi in the proceedings, judgements of ocean resources and the Committee has finalised a comprehensive report. etc. of the High Courts 0f Allahabad, Based on the Committee’s recom­ Patna, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh. mendations, a proposal for acquisition of an Oceanographic Research Vessel The State Governments themselves is under consideraion. take decision in respect of the lan­ guage of the Subordinate Courts. Proposal to switch over to Hindi in Courts 817 Central Acts have been transla­ 8136 SHRI RAJ KESHAR SINGH: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS: ted into Hindi, out of which 776 trans­ be pleased to state: lations have been published under the authority of the President under sec­ (a) whether there is any proposal to tion 5(1) (a) of the Official Languages switch over to Hindi or Regional lan­ guage as official language in the Sup­ Act l(fc63. About 6,000 pages of reme Court, High Court and Lower Hindi translations of statutory rules Courts; have also been published under (b) if so, main points of the infras­ section 5(1) (b) of the official Langua- tructural work done so far in this be­ age8 Act 1963. Under an arrangement half by way of translating legal books/ laws/legislations and AU ilndla Re­ with the State Governments concern­ porters into Hindi/regional languages; ed, Central Acts are being translated and into regional languages and the pro­ Written Answers VAISAKHA 8, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 6 a gress made in thi* behalf is as fol­ Government for enhancement of maxi­ lows — mum safe laden weight and m^xi .Name of the Language No of Cen­ mum safe exle weight of transport vehicles and tral Acts transla­ tions of which have (b) if so when Government receiv­ been finalised ed proposals and what action has •’•NS'i taken on this7 Assames 27 Bengali 23 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF Gujarati 25 SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI Kannada 47 CHAND RAM) (a) Yes Sir Malayalam 124 (b) The proposal was first received Marathi 135 from the State Government in June, Oriya 183 1976 It was discussed at the meeting Punjabi 27 of the Transport Development Coui cil held in August 1976, which recom­ Tamil 66 mended that the status que should Telugu 56 be maintained and maximum safe axl* Urdu 166 laden weights continue to be fixed at a lavel not exceeding 125 per cent (2) A scheme lor translating legal of the gross vehicle weight as certifi­ •classics from English into Hindi ex ed by the manufacturers. ists At present 6 books are oeing translated into Hindi The State Government again re­ quested m June 1977 for approval to (3) A scheme for writing original the proposal for enhancement of the books in Hindi is also m operation 6 maximum laden weight and exle books have been published and 22 are weight upto 133-1/3 per cent of the under various stages of writing edit­ laden weight/axle weight as certified ing and printing by the manufacturers for vehicle (4) The Government also operates manufactured in and after 1965 Keep­ a scheme for awarding prizes to best ing m view the recommendation of law books written originally in Hindi the TDC and having regard to the There are 10 prizes of Rs 10 000 each conditions of roads and the safety asp to be awarded every year ects the request was not accedded to (5) Reportable judgments of the Supreme Court of India are being pub­ Delay in taking over of Atherton West lished in Hindi every month in a i» iH i.Mmi Rattan Cotton Mills, Kaar Journal entitled Uchchattam Nyayalya pur Nirnaya Patnka while selected judg­ ments of the different High Courts are 8138 SHRI SUKHDEV PRASAD being published in Hindi in a Journal VERMA Will the Minister of INDUS­ entitled ‘Uchcha Nyayalaya Nimaya TRY be pleased to state Patnka ’ (a) whether the two cotton Mills m Proposals regarding Transport Vehicles Kanpur vvt. Atherton West & Laxmi of Orissa Rattan Cotton Mills, the managem'nts 8137 SHRI PADMACHARAN of which were taken over long back* have not yet been nationalised, SHRI SAMANTA SINHERA Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND (b) if so the reasons thereof, TRANSPORT be pleased to state (c when the nationalisation is ex­ (ay whether Government have re* pected and the reasons for such long ceived any preposal from Orissa State delay, 63 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answer* 64

(d) whether the Government is con­ templating to give back the manage­ n f ifonwr if tt** inft («ft ment to the owners and w m w * m ) ( w ) 3r (» r ). f«R^ft *t (e) if so what is the reson for jfa * w ncftv wntrCt ¥t ftmnfrr such contemplated action’ t A w t t t 1975 $r *F t v i % fit errr^xt ^t frf^mrr ¥ t *fnft % ’t t t t THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI­ rcfercr ^ t f¥*nr 5>r ?rrr i MATI ABHA MAITI) (a) Yes Sir {? ) frs ^T»^?rr *r*rew (b) and (c) The question regard­ ing nationalisation of these undertak­ * r m ^ T v t f f w r «m r ?r^t fa r r ings is under examination 3rr?rr | «fJTtfr tftar*-«rnr>r i (d) No Sir fa-'fcrfnr ?r^t f t i (e) Does not arise

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s ftr o w reflw w rta f l v \ 'nrtar 8140 bHRI SURENDRA JHA SUMAN Will the Minister of IN­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING 8139 m « n be pleased to state nu tn? snrrn ?nrr f r (a) the number of newspapers, magazines etc published in different ("P) WT 1 9 7 5 ST SR languages m and number of fsTFft *T Tfj’RT STTT^ITt sf?t aptf dailies weeklies monthlies and fort nighthes among them separately, and «Td«TT f t »Tt | tftT vfc ?ft vn *rct8TT * fir (b) the names of papers etc which are given Government advertisements^ TTt?rf?T ;ffl1~zff 'flT fcr~r;fT1:fm ~. ~~Cf)T HOTRA: Will the Minister of SCIENCE (b) if so, the nature of allegations :rQjTf~liT'fQT I AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to 'fll" made; refer to the Report on Science and Technology 19170-71 of the Cabinet (c) whether the General Manager Secretariat (Committee on Science and had deposited the amount for the goods riterfa for giving Advertisement Technology) pages 157 to 159 and he had taken; and state: 1140. SHRI SURENDRA JHA (d) if so, when and at what rates? 'MAN: Will the Minister of IN- (a) the total number of R&D Ins- titutions under the Central Govern- RMATION AND BROADCASTING THE MINISTER OF STATE IN pleased to state: ment at' the end of the First Five THE' MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Year Plan, at the end of the Third (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) and (b). a) the number of newspapers,. Five Year Plan and as at the end of Yes. Sir. Two allegations were made gazinss. etc. published in different the Fifth Five Year Plan (March, against the General Manager. One guages in Bihar and number of 1978); and related to the retention by him of a lies, weeklies, monthlies and fort., travelling allowance advance for a tlies among them separately; and (b) The total expenditure incurred 10Ug period though he did not have to on these R&D institutions in the last undertake the tour. The second relat- ) the names of papers etc. which year of the First Five Year Plan. given Government advertisements? ed to the loss of interest on the value Third Five Year Plan and the last of confiscated goods which the Gene- year of the Fifth Five Year Plan (1977- HE MINISTER OF INFORMATION ral Manager had taken on approval 78)? DiBROADCASTING (SHRI L. K .. basis but which were not actually ., ~! II VANI),: (a) A total of 360 news- sold. , ~._;..J THE, PRIME MINISTER (SHRI ers/periodicals were published: MORARJI DESAI): (a) The total 1 Bihar as on 31-12.19,76, as detai- (c) and (d). The General Manager below: number R&D institutions under the had taken certain confiscated goods Central Government at the end of the (a) Dailies 1~' worth Rs. 7,374.10 on approval basis first five year plan was 160, at the in April-May, 1975 from the godown (b) Weeklies 162: end of the third five year plan was and kept them in the Headquarters (c) Tri-Biweeklies 2' 333 and as at the end of the Fifth office with a view to exhibiting them plan was 387. Cd) ForthnightIies 42: to VIP customers and other officials connected with the work of the Ie) Monthlies 95. (b) The total expenditure incurred Society who were not able to get them :i) Quarterlies 26' on these R&D institutions with regard in the normal manner from the g) -Annuals 5 to the R&D and other related activi- stores due to heavy rush. These . ties of these institutions in the last h) Other Periodicity 9> items were subsequently returned by year of the first five year plan was Rs. him to the Society's main god own in 12.14 crores in the last year of the third Total: July, 1977. The question of the 36()· five year plan was Rs. 79.12 crores General Manager having to deposit and anticipated expenditure in the the value of the goods taken by him Advertisements are given to. last year of the Fifth Plan (l977~78) on aprovaj basis, therefore, did not :s which apply for inclusion in: was Rs. 412.27 crores, arise. 736 LS:-3. 67 Written Answers APRIL 28, 1978 Written Answers

Stenographer* Grade *€? are governed by different sets 0f ser­ vice Rules and as such there can be 8143. SHRI SHIV NARAIN SARSO- no question of comparing the promo­ NIA: Will the Minister of HOME tional avenues of the two grades, even AFFAIRS be pleased to state: though they have a common pay scale and both belong to Group 4B’ Service. (a) whether there is a marked dec­ line in the availability of qualified (d) Does not arise. Grade 'C* Stenographers in the open competitive examination* conducted by the Union Public Service Commis­ Pay Scale of the Civilian Store keep­ sion; ing cadre of the LA.P.

(b) If so, what steps Government 8144. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDRAM: propose to take to improve the service Will the Minister of DEFENCE be conditions of Grade 'C* Stenographers pleased to state: bo as to attract really competent and Intelligent persons to make up the (a) whether the Civilian Store deficiency; keeping Cadre of the IAF who are necessarily minimum Graduates are (c) whether there is a vast disparity frustrated and dissatisfied with their in the promotional avenues of direct existing meagre scales of pay in the recruit Stenographers Grade ‘C’ ns- context of the present four grades e-ins direct recruit Assistants of the and the maximum of Rs. 750 only for C.S.S. ■who hold indentical scales of the highest grade; pay and belong to the same class of Government service; and (b) whether it is a fact that many in the various grades (SK, SSK, SS. (d) if so, what steps Government SSS) are without any promotional propose to take to remove this dispari­ avenues even after putting in 10 to 12 ty so as t0 bring Stenographers Grade years in each grade and also stagnat­ ‘C’ at par with direct recurit Assis­ ed in their meagre maximum of their tant in the matter of promotional existing pay scales; avenues? (c) whether Government propose to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN revise their pay scale upwards on THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS priority basis commensurate with their (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir: eductional qualifications and also be­ there has been a decline in the avail­ fitting the seniority and greater res­ ability of qualified Grade ‘C’ Steno­ ponsibilities of the higher-grades; and graphers m the open competitive examinations conducted by the (d) whether it is not worthwhile to U.P.S.C., in 1976 and 1977. offer them ‘Career opportunities' thereby preventing them from leaving the IAF in search of better jobs with (b) The reasons for this decline and better pay scales elsewhere? the steps required to improve the posi­ tion are being considered in consulta­ THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE tion with the U.P.S.C. (SHRI JAGJIVAtf RAM): (a) The pay scales have been laid down on the (c) It cannot be said that there is basis of the recommendations of the a vast disparity in the promotional Third Pay Commission. avenues of direct recurit Stenogra­ phers, Grade ‘C’ vis-atus direct re­ (b) Sufficient promotional avenues cruit Assistants of C.S.S. Further are available in Group ‘C’ (SK, SSK, Grade *C’ Stenographers and Assis­ SS, SSS) and thereafter in Group ‘B’ tants belong to different services and and Group ‘A* posts. <59 WHtten Answer* VAISAKHA. 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written An*wen 70

(c) The matter is under examina- buses and because at the pressing need lion. of DTC to increase its carrying capa­ city by engaging additional private (d) Sufficient career opportunities buses, it has not been possible for the are available within the Air Force it­ Corporation to insist on changes being self. made in the seating arrangements be­ fore the private buses are engaged by it. Congestion in Private Buses hired by D.T.C. (d) There is no such proposal under consideration at present. Private 8145. SHRI SURAJ BHAN: Will operators have been found to be reluc* the Minister of SHIPPING AND tant to modify the seating arrange­ TRANSPORT be pleased to state: ment in their buses because when (a) whether there is too much con­ these buses are taken out of operation gestion m the private buses engaged under D.TC these are generally by the DT.C. and instances of pick­ utilized as contract carriages or for pocketing; inter-city traffic for which their exist­ ing seating arrangement is more suit­ (b) whether this is due to the un. able as it provides for more seated suitable seating arrangements which passengers. do not conform to the needs of city buses; (e) and (f). Some complaints to this effect have been received. How* (c) if so, why the operators were ever, DTC has not issued any orders not required to change the seating to its conductors to occupy any seat arrangements m the buses, in the buses except where provision has been made in the bus for a sepa­ (H) whether the desired modifica­ rate seat for them Instructions are tion in the seating arrangements is being issued by D.T.C that the con­ proposed now to be effected; ductors working in private buses hir­ (e) whether the conductor of the ed by the Corporation in which no bus remains seated on the last seat provision for a separate seat has been and the travelling public have to con­ made for them should keep themselves gest round him to purchase the ticket; mobile in the buses for issuing tickets. and Purchase by KhadJ Gramodyojj Bha- (f) whether Government would wan from Khadi Gramonayan Kendra, consider that this system is changed Vayanor and the conductor is ordered to be mobile in the bus for selling the 8148. SHRI RAM NARESH - ticket’ WAHA- Will the Minister of INDUS­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN­ TRY be pleased to state: CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI (a) whether the Khadi Gramodyog CHAND RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. There Bhawan, New Delhi had purchased is congestion in these buses during Khadi silk products from the Khadi Peak hours. But pickpocketing is not Gramonayan Kendra, Vayanor, West Particularly large in these buses. Bengal; (b) Yes, to some extent, as the (b) if so, the dates on which it was gangway is narrow which obstructs purchased along with the value and the mobility of passengers the details thereof; (c) Due to reluctance of operators (c) when the said organisation of to carry out any modifications in their West Bengal was declared unauthorised 71 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answen 72

by the Committee on certificates of ing the greatest measure of coopera­ the Khadi Commission; tion between Government and the general body of its employees. (Copy (d) the duration for which it re­ of the Scheme is laid on the Table of mained ‘unauthorised’ and when it the House). [Placed in Library. See was again declared authorised; and No. LT—2192/78]. Under the Scheme the National Council which is apex (e) whether the Khadi Bhavan Emp­ body covering generally all employees loyees’ Union had made any comp­ of the Central Government has al­ laints in respect of purchases made ready been set up and has been from the said unauthorised organisa­ functioning regulary. The next level tion and the action taken thereon? of Councils is at the Ministry/ Departmental level covering the employees of the individual Ministry' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Department including aU the attached THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY and subordinate offices. 17 such Coun­ (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) to cils have been set up in different (e). The information is being collect­ Ministries/Departments. Five more ed and will be laid on the Table of Departmental Councils in the Depart­ the House. ment of Atomic Energy, Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, Ministry of Industrial Development, Ministry of Shipping and Transport and Depart­ Forum for sorting out differences ment of Rehabilitation are yet to be between Staff and Administrative set up. At the next lower level are Office Councils to deal with purely 8147. SHRI KIRIT BIKRAM DEB local problems relating to the offices BURMAN: Will the Minister of HOME and its employees. About 1000 such AFFAIRS be pleased to state* Office Councils have been set up by the various Ministries/Departments. (a) the names of the Central Gov­ More of them are being progressively ernment Offices/Departments including set up Instructions have been issued independent offices in which there is from time to time to the Ministries/ no forum for sorting out the differen­ Departments asking them to take steps ces between the staff and the adminis­ to set up their Departmental Coun­ tration; cils, where they do not exist at pre­ sent and also to see that they func­ tion regularly. They have also been (b) whether any instructions had asked to take steps to set up Office been issued to all departments to set Councils in various subordinate organi­ up such machanisms; if so, the details sations under them. The delays in in this regard; and setting up in the Departmental/Office Councils are generally due to the non­ (c) the reasons for non-compliance availability of recognised associations of the guidelines given in this regard of the employees, which alone can by each defaulting office/department? participate in the joint councils and nominate to the Staff Side of those THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Councils. THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI S. D. PATEL); (a) to (c). In October, 1986 Government of India Operation of Unworked Collieries by introduced the Scheme for Joint Con­ Private Sector sultative Machinery and Compulsory Arbitration for Central Government 8148. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: employees, with the object of promot­ Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleas­ ing harmonious relations and of secur­ ed to state: 73 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

(a) whether the Indian Mining (b) and (c). Against the target of Federation has demanded Government 92.92 lakhs sq.m. the company achiev­ to allow private sector to operate the ed production of 92.11 lakhs sq.m. unworked collieries; and which is 99.12 per cent of the target fixed. (b) if so, reaction of Government thereto? Difficulties by School Children 'n THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Boarding DTC Bus. P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) No, Sir. 8151. SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Will the (b) Does not arise. Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ PORT be pleased to state: Resolution passed at the 38th Session of Indian Road Transport Congress (a) whether Government are aware that school going children find it diffi­ 8149. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the cult to board the DTC and other Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ buses on account of heavy rush; PORT be pleased to state what action Government have taken on the resolu­ (b) if so, whether to help the school tions adopted at the 38th Session of going children, DTC authorities pro­ the Indian Road Transport Congress pose to permit these children to board held recently at Santiniketan, Calcutta? the bus from front gate and to travel in Ladies Specials; and THE MINISTER OP STATE IN­ CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF (c) if not, the reasons therefor? SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT

Low in Large, Medium & Small Seale being taken to augment the power Sectors due to Power Shortage, Strike generating capacity in the country ty and Lock Onto installation of new thermal and hydel plants and also by maximising the 8152 SHRI S R DAMANI Will generation from the existing power the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased plants to state (et) whether studies have been naae Salt Cess to assess loss of industrial production m large medium and small scale set 8153 SHRI ANANT DAVE Will Ui3 tors during 1977-78 as result of po­ Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased *& wer shortages, and due to strikes and state lockouts (a) whether any memorandum has (b) xf so, the details thereof, and been xeceived by the Ministry in n (c) the steps taken for unmterup- the Salt industry that they are not pro­ ted production in the current year’ vided any amount from the salt tet>s for the development of salt industry. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- (b) how much salt cess was deposi­ MATI ABHA MAITI) (a) and (b) ted m 1977, and Directorate General of Technical Development carries out periodical in­ (c) whether any proposal is pend dustry-wise reviews which indicate ing before the Government to help production trends in selected industries from the salt cess, small salt indus­ in the organised sector The CQH3-1 tries holding 10 acre plot? traints identified include power shor­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tage and the problem of industrial re­ lations From the review for the MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- period April, 1977 to February, 1978 it MATI ABHA MAITI) (a) No Sir is seen that the decline m production of (b) A sum of Rs 1,12,59,213/- was industrial machinery was on account collected as salt cess durmg the year of dwindling order book position ith 1976-77 some of the major manufacturers the shortfall in production in electrical (c) Proposals that are received tor and appliances industry was due assistance out of the salt cess are lesser availability of electrolytic grade placed before the concerned Regional aluminium, the transport equipment Advisory Board for Salt and actioa industrj suffered due to labour-mana- taken on the basis of the Board’s re­ gement disputes and the produc­ commendations However, assistance tion of auto tyres suffered due to is admissible only to salt industries demand constraints and lock out in holding more than 10 acres and to one of the factories However, it is those with areas not exceeding 10 difficult to assess precisely the loss of acres only if they have taken a licence industrial production as a result of any for the manufacture of salt one of these factors alone There is no formal system of reporting Indus­ Defence Policy trial production in the small scale sec­ tor and no studies have been made to 8154 D a RAMJI SINGH Will the assess the loss in this sector during Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 1977-78 as a result of power shortage state and due to strikes and lock outs (a) whether there is any difference (c) Government have been ender In the defence policy of the present vounng to create a better industrial Government from the policy pursued climate in the country and steps are by the erstwhile Government, 77 Written Anatom VAISAKHA #, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

(b) whether Government have set (b) the reasons for not filling up up any committee to probe whether the vacant posts; Semi-Army organisations like the Bor­ der Security Force will exist m (c) whether there is any proposal future also and whether they will be to upgrade certain existing posts and employed by the Civil Authorities ‘ o to promote the present incumbents deal with Civil demonstrations; against them; and (c) whether Government propose to utilise, the Armed Forces in the con­ (d) if so, what is the justification structive and national building pro­ for the same? grammes a n d not ony utilising them in case of natural calamities which THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI they have performed excellently MORARJI DESAI) (a) As on 1-4-1978. well; and 208 posts were lying vacant in Central Scientific Instruments Organisation (d) whether Government propose io (CSIO), . The year- /m make Atom Bomb in the near future position is as under:— in view of preparations afoot in Pakis­ tan and other countries?. 1071—2 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 1972—3 (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Sinre Independence, our Defence policy has 1973—4 been to preserve and protect our sove­ reignty and territorial integrity rnd 1974—15 this continues to be so. 1975—35 (b) A Committee of Secretaries :s 1976—45 reviewing the strength of various para­ 1977 military forces with a view to effect­ }lQ4 ing economy. In this connection, at­ 1978 tention is invited to the answer given Total: 208 by the Home Minister in reply to Lok Sabha Unstarred Question No. 249 on 22nd February, 1978. (b) The posts have been lying vacant for reasons such as economy (c) It is not proposed to do so as instructions of the Government of it will not be consistent with their jnriia issued from time to time, ->an operational and training requirements. on. filling up of Class IV posts *nd Troop* employed on the border, how­ delays involved in following of the ever, do undertake some limited pro­ prescribed recruitment procedures. gramme of development locally in Besides, a number of non-gazetted certain areas. vacant posts (other than Class !V) has been kept reserved for being fitted (d) No, Sir. up by the departmental candidates.

Posts lying vacant In CSjIO, Chandigarh Of- the posts lying vacant, 85 posts have been held in abeyance as an 8155. SHRI BHAGAT RAM: Will the economy measure at the instance of Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO­ the Government of India. Action is In LOGY be pleased to state; band to All up a number of vacancies. (a) how many posts are lying vacant in Central Scientific Instru­ (c) No, Sir. ments Organisation, Chandigarh and (d) Does not arise. since when; 79 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answers 8o

Shifting of Regional Engineering Office matter has been recortsidered and it of A.I.R. has been decided that the entire ques­ tion regarding the setting up of a 8156. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Regional Engineer’s Office for Door­ Will the Minister of INFORMATION darshan -be examined afresh. AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state; Target of Manufature of H.A.L. Mili­ (a) whether any action has been tary items in Bangalore taken On the representation made by the Government of Tamil Nadu to 8157. SHRTKANWAR LAL GUPTA: rescind the decision to shift the ex­ Will the Minister of DEFENCE W isting Regional Engineering office of pleased to state; A.I.R. from Madras to Delhi; and (a) is it a fact that the target of (b) if not, the reasons for reject­ manufacturing of military items in ing the representation of the State HAL Bangalore etc. during 1975-76, Government? 1976-77 and 1977-78 has not been achieved in each year; THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. ADVANI): (a) and (b ): When fb) what specific steps have been Television was part of All India taken by the Government to improve Radio, the installation and maintenance its production; work in respect of Television Centres was looked after by the four Regional (c)'have Government pinned down Engineer’s Offices of Akashvani at ■the responsibility for not achieving the target in each year; Bombay, Calcutta, Madras and New Delhi. After Television was separated (dT 5f not, wKy; from Radio with effect from 1st April, 1976, Government decided that (e) what action has been taken Doordarshan should have a Regional against the officers responsible for it; Engineer’s office of its own. The original proposal was to trans­ (f) is it a fact that the cost of fer One of the existing Regional every item has gone up considerably; Engineer’s offices of Akashvani to Doordarshan. Since the number of (g) if so, why; and Radio installations existing as well as (h) how much overtime has been under construction was quite large in paid in the last three years? the Norther, Eastern and Westefh Regions aa compared to Southern THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Region, it was decided that the Re­ MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (PROF. gional Engineer’s office at Madras SHER SINGH): (a) The manufac­ should be transferred to Doordarshan. turing targets of military items in Subsequently, however, the matter HAL during 1975*76, 1976-77 and was reconsidered and it was deciddi 1977-78 have been, by and large, that, instead of transferring one Re­ achieved. gional Engineer's office of Akashvani to Doordarsban, 25 per cent off the (b) to (e). Do not arise. staff in each category should be with­ drawn from each of the Regional (f) and (g). HAL are continually making efforts to reduce the cost Engineer's offices and, with this staff, of manufacture of the various Doordarshan should set up a Regional products, through increased efficiency Engineer’s office and two Su!J-13fBc6sL both in terms of labour productivity However, on receipt of representa­ and technological competence, How­ tions from "various quarters, tKe ever, overall cost of some of the items 8z Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers $2 has been going up to the general (a) the State-wise number of Cent­ inflationary trends within the country ral Government employees, officers as and abroad. well as others separately, who were compulsorily retired during the emer­ (h) The overtime paid during the gency period; three years is as under:— (b) whether the Shah Commission Years Overtime paid has recommended that the cases of these employees should be looked into (Rs. in crores) by the Government; 1975-76 1.66 (c) if so, Government’s reaction 1976-77 2.01 thereto; 1977-78 1.75 (Estimated) (d) whether the SB ah Commission also wanted the Government to advise m v sifo * P f t I the Public Sector Undertakings to set up review panels and to undo the mischief and fix responsibility wher­ ever action was found unfair and un­ 8158. «rt T iw ft : }pm just; and v itn i z t if? «rcrr% # $tt far: (e) if so, what action, if any, is ( * ) WT rm ST^T % proposed to be taken in this regard? Trar % fafas* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ^ «rk tt w i t wifrci «r ^ % THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS *ft t ; (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) 5,477 Cent­ ral Government employees were pre­ (sr) ft, 3r tofar maturely retired during emergency. State-wise break-up of these employees is not available.

(»r) tt^t *r ^ w m T (b) Yes, Sir. vtft % ant * w fo fa arr^rr; (c) Instructions were issued to the effect that the ^presentations from prematurely retired Government emp­ (* ) Jif *rnr ’jft ^ $ t o t t* loyees forwarded to the Ministries/ wr vfejrrf t? Departments by the Shah Commis­ sion may be treated as representations submitted to the Government for the ?«tn «mww it r m «Wt («fatft purposes of review and that action

{*) % (w) srwr gt *nft *s?h (d) Yes, Sir.

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FHUaff up of posts of Scheduled Castes category since Starch, 1977 and reasons and Scheduled Tribes thereof; and 8160 SHRI R. N RAKESH: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (b) total number of departmental state,* promotion/upgradation of posts in each category of posts and how many posts (a) the total number of posts filled have gone to Scheduled Castes and in each category of posts with specific Scheduled Tribes? shares of Scheduled Castes and Sche­ duled Tribes m such employment in THU PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Prime Minister’s Office and its attach­ MORARJI DESAI) (a) and (b) ed and subordinate offices and also the The requisite information is given number of posts dereserved in each below —

Total No of No. o f Mehod of Category of post number posts SC/ST Recruit- Rrmark* of potts reserved appointed mrnt filled for SC/ST

Peon Direct recruitment

Selection Grade Daftrv Jamadar Promotion Selection Grade Peon . Selection Grade Sweeper . ]

•This post has been treated as undeserved being the first vacancy rn the year. The subsequent vacancy will be treated as reserved. The reservation will be carried forward to three subsequent years. This is m accordance with tbe instructions the Deptt, of Personnel & A. R. on the subject.

No posts have been de-rrseived in any category. We have no attached and subordinate offices under the administrative control or this Office.

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American arrested at Tarapur Nuclear Dayan&nd University, (Har­ Plant yana;' addressed a public meeting at village Charra on the 29th January, 1978 organised by one of the political 8162. SHRI A. ASOKARAJ: Will the parties in regard to bye-election of Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas­ Badli constituency of Haryana held on ed to state: the 5th February 1078; (a) whether any American was arrested last month at the Tarapur (b) whether it is also a fact that Nuclear Plant under highly suspicious the said Vice-Chancellor carried on circumstances, and door to door canvassing on behalf of a particular candidate on the 3rd (b) it so, whether any action was February, 1978 and 4th February, 1978 taken against him? in the said bye-election of Badli constituency;

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN (c) is it a fact that the said Vice- THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Chancellor also used University Staff (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) Car for the purpose of above electione­ ering in Badli constituency; and and (b). An American national was found in the prohibited area of the (d) if so, what action has been taken Tarapur Atomic Power Plant, by the against the said Vice-Chancellor? security staff on the 14th February, 1 78. He was handed over to the local THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS police who registered a case against (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) him for trespass under Section 120-B, to (d). Information is being collected of the Bombay Police Act. He was pro- and will be laid on the Table of the duced before the Judicial Magistrate, House. Palghar (District Thane) and was con­ Coal fantina victed and sentenced to two days simple imprisonment. It is further under­ 8164. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL stood that be is under psychiatric REDDY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: treatment for schizophrenia in the G. T. Hospital, Bombay. (a) whether Government's attention has been drawn to the reported state­ ment by the Chairman, IMF published Canvantag by Vice-Chancellor of in Hindustan Standard of 23rd March, Dayaaaad University in a Bye-iPectton 1978 under caption ‘Miners warn of coal famine’; and 8163. SHRI INDER SINGH: Will the (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas­ ment thereto? ed to state; THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) (a) whether his attention has been Yes, Sir. drawn to the news item published in “Tribune' dated the 31st January. (b) Hie points made by the Chair­ 1978 tthat Vice-Chancellor of Mahrishi man, Indian Mining Federation fax his g j Written Ancwtrs APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answer* 88

statement published in Hindustan ment’s reaction thereto are given Standard dt. 23-3-78 and the Govern- below:— Statement

The Points made by Chairman IMF. Reaction of the Government (i) Unworked collieries and coal (i) There iff no proposal at pres* bearing areas should be al­ ent, of the Government to lowed by the Government to allow the working of coal be worked by private parti­ mines by private parties. es.

(ui) Quality coal is proposed to (iii) The import of coking coal be imported t0 feed steel has been proposed by the steel plants. plants for getting low ash cok­ ing coal.

‘Workers la Coal Mines in M. P. Increase In staff of collieries and fall in production 8166. SHRI JANARDHANAPOOJA- RY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be 8165. SHRI SUKHENDRA SINGH: pleased to atate* Will the Minister of ENERGY be (a) whether staff in the nationalised pleased to state the number of workers collieries has increased many f o l d and in coal mines m Madhya Pradesh at the production of coke has fallen since tniring over the collieries; and present? (b) if *o, staff position before nationalisation category-wise and on 81st March. 1978 and the production THE MINISTER OP ENERGY of soft coke before taking over and as on 81st March, 1971? (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): The number of workers in the Coal Mines THE MINISTER OP ENERGY under Coal India Limited in Madhya (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a> Pradesh is 89,575. and (b). The manpower position in the 89 Written Answers VAJSAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 90

Coal India Limited and its subsidiaries THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE as on 30-4-78 and on 1-3-78 was as (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) No, Sir. under:— (b) Civilan employees of Mitary As on 30-4-73 As on 1-3-78 Farms were not entitled to field service Officers 4*334 B*?§7 concessions, including free ration or Staff 5,16,350 5,7».®75 ration money in lieu thereof. Con­ The production of soft coke in 1971- sidering the special location and the 72 prior to nationalisation, of coking difficult living conditions an excep­ coal mines and in 1977-78 is given tion was however made in favour of below: — the personnel of the Military Harms at Chhamb. Year Production ( m. tonnes) Sand Filteration Projects at National 1971-72 2.46 Envidonment Research Institute, Nag­ 1977*7** * 93 ( provisional ) pur. It is further clarified that most of 8169. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANAr the staff is engaged in coal production Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND and that coke making is only- one of TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state many activities of the collieries. the progress made so far in imole- Application of advanced method of menlation of the slow sand filteration used up mines in Coal Mines projects of water by the National Environment Research Institute, 8167. SHRI NATWARLAL B. PAR- Nagpur and the places where such MAR: Will the Minister ENERGY be projects are being implemented in the pleased to state: country? (a) the names and location of coal THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI mines where the advanced method of MORARJI DESAI): National Environ­ used up mines is being applied in co­ mental Engineering Research Institute operation with the Soviet experts; and (NEERI), Nagpur is collaborating with (b) the percentage of inrecase in the WHO International Reference Centre, coal production as b result thereof? The Hague, on slow sand Alteration project. Work to develop guidelines THE MINISTER OP ENERGY for the design, construction and opera­ (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) tion of filters has been completed. Nil. With the concurrence of WHO field (b) Does not arise. demonstration units has been proposed Non-payment of ration money to the in four villages, one each in Haryana, Civilian Employees of MQlitary Farm* Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and 8168. SHRI BALDEV SINGH JAS- Tamil Nadu. ROTIA: Will the Minister of Assistance to Orissa for some Conces­ DEFENCE be pleased to state: sions to Scheduled Cwtea & Scheduled (a) whether Ration Money (Field Tribes Allowance) was paid to all the civilian employees serving in defence installa­ 8170. SHRI K- PRADHANI: Will the tions during the Indo-Pak conflict of Minister of LANN1NG be pleased t«> 1971 at the areas placed under the state: orbit of ‘OP CACTUS LILLY’; and (a) whether Government has ?’ven (b) if so, whether it was not paid some concessions to the States xx* to the civilian employees of Military which there are large Farms, although none of them moved Scheduled Castes and Scheduled out of their Head Quarter Station and Tribes; the terms and conditions of service are the same for all the defence civilian (b) if so. criteria maintained by Government in this regard; and employees of the areas? 91 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1976 Written Answers 92

(c) the details regarding the finan­ (a) to (d): Yes, Sir, the rates were cial assistance provided by the Central revised in 1974*75 as stated. There Government to the State of Orissa is no proposal to revise the rates in this regard during last two years? further linking the cost of living in­ dex at 1954 as base. However, the THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI rates of scholarships for “Medical and MORARJI DESAI): (a) The Fifth Five Engineering degree student hostellers Year Plan included a provision of have been increased by Rs. 60/- per Rs. 190 crores for special Central month with effect from 1st January, asistance to the States during the five 1978. year period 1974—79 to supplement their efforts in implementation of Suo- Construction of Second Howrah Bridge Plans lor tribal areas. on Hooghly River (b) In allocating special Central 8172. SHRI MUKUNDA MANDAL: assistance to a State, the Scheduled Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND Tribe population, geographical area of TRANSPORT be pleased to state: tribal concentration and relative back­ (a) whether Government are aware wardness of the area were taken into of the construction of the Second account. Howrah Bridge on the Hooghly (c) The special Central assistance River; provided to the Onssa State during (b) if so, details thereof and ex­ 1976-77 and 1977-78 was Rs. 532 i->khs pected time of completion of con­ and Rs. 758 lakhs respectively. struction; Rates of scholarships to S. C. & S- T. (c) what are the reasons, if any, Students for the delay jn the completion of the construction; and 8171. SHRI R. L. KUREEL- Will the (d) what steps are proposed to be Muster of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased taken by Government for its com­ to state: pletion? (a) whether the monthly rates of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Scholerships for Scheduled Castes and CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF Scheduled Tribes students fixed as far SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT back as 1954 were Rs. 27 for day (SHRI CHAND RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. scholar, Rs. 40 for hostellers, for general courses and Rs. 60 for day (b) It is essentially a State Project scholar and Rs. 75 for hostellers for as the bridge would fall on a State higher technical and professional road and all matters concerning ten­ studies; dering, construction etc. ore being handled by them. In order, however, (b) whether from academic year to assist the State Government finan­ 1974-75 these rates have been revised cially, the Government of India have to Rs. 40 and Rs. 70 for general course agreed to provide a loan for this pro­ and Rs. 75 and Rs. 125 for professional ject. lt consists ot Section I and U and higher technical studies for day (Calcutta and Howrah side viaducts scholar and hostellers respectively and approaches) and Section III and the cost of living has gone up by (Bridge proper), The bridge proper more than four time since that time; is expected to [be completed in 5 (c) whether there is any proposal years after the commencement of to revise these rates linking with the work. the cost of living index at 1954 as base; and (c) The viaducts and approaches are in progress, but the bridge pro­ (d) if so, the details thereof? per is yet to be taken up after the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE design has been approved by the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS foreign consultants appointed by the (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): State Government for the purpose gg Written Answer* VAISAKHA 6, 1900 fjSAKA) Wntten Answer* 94

Delay has been due to the time re­ (d No such link has come to Govern­ quired by the construction firm and ment’s notice the consultants to finalise detailed design principles and by the State Government to sort out some con­ r m * fawr gf pfir tractual matters (d) The State Government are 8174 VRffl TP? arnrowm : already alive to the urgency of the matter and are taking all possible wto wto nmfQR : action to get the finalisation of designs expedited from the construction firm •ft ftypnr : and the consultants *ph iflrf *rwV q* «r*rr% Detergent Plant at Mathura ^ far 8173 DR BIJOY MONDAL Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleas­ ed to state % fajcr srtef ?nf?r | tfrz (a) the details regarding the First ?T *75* * *4 1975-76, Public Sector Detergent Plan at Mathu- 1a being put up by the Indo-Burma 1976-77 tftr 1977-78 % ^tTT'T Petro’eum Co Ltd, tfk 1978-79 (b) is it a fact that the project has JTT'TfT frfa Tt *T*?T*5TT |; lieen abandoned, (() it so whv and at whose instance, and (^ ) flfa ^ WT *fnT5T (d whether there is any link let- V ween the abandoning of the project md the simultaneous launching of new detergent plants soon thereafter by (t ) 3ft I fa * TTRT aftff * bomt private sector companies7 Nr sr^5?r r* fW f * *4 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY 197*5-76 m r 1976-77 (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI) (a) tfk 1977-78 Tt (wjirrfjrr) M/s Indo-Burma Petroleum Co Ltd sift «rnT ^ 1 1978- vierp granted a letter of intent No 15 (10)/72/Ch II, dated the 10th Octo­ 79 JTfffaq'T IT fTfr ir^TT’T ber 1973 for the establishment of new *ft w rv *r

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7S6 99 Written Answers APRIL 28, 1978 Written Anno*** xoo Dud Civil Service (a) whether the President of A.F.H.Q. 8175. SHRI PIUS TIRKEY: Will the Union alongwith a deputlon of JCB MinUter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleated employees met the authorities concern­ to state: ed on 28th March, 1978 to discuss the anomaly prevailing in the Recruitment (a) the criteria of transfer and pro­ motion of DANI Civil Service Officers Rules in repesct of various categories/ in Delhi Administration. posts in JCB and had submitted modi­ fications thereto; (b) the age limit for promotion of State Civil Service Officers to IAS (b) if so, the details of the propos­ Cadre; ed modifications and the reaction of (c) number of officers who have been the Government to each of the points exempted from transfer from one raised therein; and department to another, but promoted (c) whether Government propose «> IAS, and to adopt these modified rules sub­ (d) if so, the reasons thereof? mitted by the President of the Union and by what time? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN rHE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­ THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE FAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAN­ (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, DAL): (a) and (b). Officers of the Sir. Delhi and Andaman and Nicobar Is­ lands Civil Services are posted to (b) and (c). Modification of the various posts under the Delhi Ad­ Recruitment Rules pertaining to ministration having regard to their various posts in the JCB. is under suitability and needs of the various examination . The suggestion made Departments of the Administration. by the Staff Side will be kept in The conditions governing their eli­ view while finalising the Recl-uit- gibility for promotion t0 the Selec­ ment Rules. The objective is to tion Grade of the DANI Civil Ser­ provide adequate promotional aven­ vice are laid down in the Delhi ahd ues to the employees without affect­ Andaman and Nicobar Islands Civil ing the technical requirements of Service Rules 1971, and the conditions the Organisation. governing eligibility of promotion of officers of Slate Civil Service to the While efforts are being made to Indian Administrative Service includ­ finalise the Recruitment Rules as ing the age limit are laid down in the early as possible, in consultation with IAS (Appointment by Promotion) the concerned authorities, it is not Regulation, 1955. Ordinarily those who possible to indicate any time-limit have attained, the age of 52 years on 1st January of the year in which the Advertisements of UJP.S.C. given by Selection Committee meets are not considered. DJL.VJ?. (c) No officer of the DANI Civil 8177. SHRI GEORGE MATHEW: Service has been exempted from Will the Minister of INFORMATION transfer from one department of the AND BROADCASTING be pleased to Delhi Administration to another. state: (d) Does not arise. (a) which are the dailies and week­ Anomaly in the recruitment rules In lies that are given UPSC advertise­ J.C.B. ments in India by the DA VP as on 8176. SHRI MAHI LAL; 31st March, 1978 and their 1976 cir­ SHRI CHATUR8HUJ culation; SHRI UGRASEN: (b) the names of the dailies and Will the Minister of DEFENCE be weeklies published from Kerala with Ptataed to state; their name of place of pubttpttb* and 101 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, lfOO (SAKA) Written Anno era ioa

to which DA VP had given UPSC ad­ THE MINISTER OF STATS vertisements from 1st January, 1978; IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY and (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) Orders for 1368 Tata vehicles were (c) the names of the dailies and booked with the various dealers in weeklies published from Kerala which Rajasthan during 1977-78. 505 Vehicles were given UPSC advertisements were released against these bookings. after 1st January, 1975 and also the names of the dailies and weeklies (b) and (c). There is no control published from Kerala whose adver­ on the sale and distribution of com­ tisements were terminated between mercial vehicles and hence no quotas 2nd January, 1975 and 31st March, are fixed. There has been a shortfall 1978 and their 1976 circulation and in the manufacture of Tata vehicles the dates of termination and awarding mainly because of power constrains. of UPSC advertisements during this Specific complaints of "black sales" period? have not been received. However, the manufacturers are operating pro­ * THE MINISTER OP INFORMA­ cedures t0 ensure availability of vehi-, TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI cles for civilian customers on a first- L K. ADVANI): (a) statement I come-first-served basis and giving is laid on the Table of the House. due weightage to requirements of [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2193 state transport undertakings and /78] Government Departments.

(b) and (c). The required inform­ Plot to Nab Babuji for Murder ation m reject of dailies published from Kerala is given In Statements 8179. CHOWDHRY BALBIR SINGH; II & III are laid on the Table of the Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS House. [Placed in Library. See No. be pleased to state if his Ministry’s LT-2193/78]. No weekly published Investigating Agency has made posi­ from Kerala was used for UPSC ad­ tive enquiries pertaining to certain vertisements. serious allegations made by the Weekly ‘'Current” in its issue dated September 10, 1977 under the Head­ Registration and Supply of Tata ing “Indira Plot to Nab Babuji for Murder”? Mercedes Tracks THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 8178 SHRI JAGDISH PRASAD THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­ MATHUR: Will the Minister* of FAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAN­ INDUSTRY be pleased to state: DAL) : Presumably the newspaper (a) the number of the Tata Merce­ report refers to investigations in case FIR No. 856 u/s 25/24/59 Indian des trucks booked with various dea- Rajasthan during 1977-78 and Arms Act read with sections 36/43 of 8 the D.I.R. and 120-B IPC registered the number of trucks actually suppli- at Police Station Vinay Nagar, New €d against this booking; Delhi. The case is still under in­ (b) whether the quota allocated to vestigation. Rajasthan is adequate and if not, whether Government propose to in­ Enhancement in rate of BeservU# crease the quota according to the Pension demand; and 8180. SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN; Will the Minister of DEFENCE be <0 whether there is still black in sale of these trucks as a result of pleteed to state: *hich acKual uaers are not getting (a) whether it is a fact that Gov­ *bese trucks on fair prices? ernment have passed eirders for en­ Written Answers APRIL 86, 1970 Written Answer* 104 hancement in the rate of reservist (c) and (d) Individual repres­ pension and ordinary family pension entations as well as representations in respect of OR reservists with through MPs have been received effect from 1st January, 1978. that the increased rates of pen­ sion should be made applicable in (b) if so, the details thereof, the case of those who became non. effective prior to 1-1-1973 However (c) whether it is also a fact that since rates of pension of all other reservists as well as MPs have re­ categories 0f service personnel, revi­ presented to Government that the sed as a result of the recommenda­ orders should be implemented since tions of the Third Pay Commission, 1952, and were made effective from 1-1-73, no departure can be made in the case (d) if so, the decision taken by of reservists Government so far in this regard? THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE MINISTRY OP DEFENCE (PROF SHER SINGH) (a) and (b) WT WFT |KI Yes Sir Consequent on the improve­ ments made m the pensionary rates of % fat? sqfM f w n service personnel with effect from 1st nf Tlf5T January, 1973 on the basis of the recommendations of the Third Pay Commission, the rate of pension of OR reservists of the Army and cor­ 8181* WRWft HI# : wr responding categories of reservists in ■the Navy and Air Force, who have HHF1T 5T9TR JTT «Pr»T ftp been transferred t0 pension establish­ ment on or alter 1-178, has been raised to Rs 50 pm (v) m Similarly, the rate of ordinary ** family pensions in respect of such srrjftfianr qpT# v fat? reservists has also been raised to Rs 44/- pm with effect from to * snr&r f itt «r- 1-1-78 The revised rate is ad­ missible to the families of such of «rnw> & fir* * the OR reservists who were on the reserve strength on 31st December 72 including those who died on that date, and also to those who were/ are transferred t0 reserve on or after (m ) ^ KHWff 1-1-73 and died/die due to non-attri- butable causes, while in reserve or v t toft v f y * t o f t x rft i t * f after retirement with a reservist pen­ sion | ifK wftrT fin I ?

In addition to the reservist pension and ordinary family pension as indi­ cated above, a periodic relkf of R, 85/- pm. 1$ also admissible to them • W * ) * (V) (W) WT*TT | at present, thus making the total of | w wtt# |«ftr reservist pension to Rs 8 5 /. and family pension to Rs 70/. pm #*

(b) by what time the proposed salea (a) when was the Loktak Hydro­ depots would start working? electric Power Project in Manipur sanctioned; THE MINISTER OF STATS IN (b) when will it be commissioned; THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY and (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) and (b). The National Textile Corpora­ (c) what are the reasons for so tion (Holding Co.) proposes to set lip 80 more retail outlets in backward much delay? areas of various States by the end of March, 1980. The location of THE MINISTER OF ENERGY these outlets is still to be decided. (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) The Loktak Hydro-Electric Project Stage l(2x3KMW) was sanctioned in February, 1970. Stage-II of the Project envisaging the Installation of one more unit of 35 MW was sanctioned Changes for Production of Controlled in May, 1973. Cloth

8188. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Will (b) The National Hydro-Electric the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleas­ Power Corporation who are executing ed to state; the Project have indicated that, as per present assessment, it is expect­ (a) whether Government have ed to be commissioned in 1962 under contemplation any proposal to “bring about certain change, in the existing scheme for the production of (c) Following methane gas ex­ the controlled cloth; plosion at one of the tunnel faces in January, 1975, the work in that face (b) if so, the nature of the changes; was suspended and the tunnelling and work suffered a serious set-back. In (c) by when it is likely to be given some other reaches, unexpected and effect to? adverse geological conditions have been met. Between faces O and 1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN* flowing ground conditions were en­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY countered. All these factors, as also (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) • to (c). The controlled cloth scheme is the difficult terrain, have contributed currently under examination and re­ to the problems leading to delay in view with a view to enable

Inductees te Coking and Nm-€aUmg (c) if so, the tacts thereabout; and com m *

(c) Wherever cases of induction Manufacture of Sports Goods by M/a were established such inductees were Colgate-Palmolive removed and, therefore, the ques­ tion of employing them as security guards does not arise. 8187. SHRI HARIXESH BAHA­ DUR; Will the Minister 0f INDUS*. TRY be pleased to state: Purchase of Cotton for Sick Mills ft (a) whether manufacture of sports Glut of Cotton in Markets goods has been reserved for «n»n scale industries; 8186. SHRI DALPAT SINGH PARASTE: Will the Minister of (b) whether multi-national foreign INDUSTRY be pleased to State: companies are permitted in the (a) whether the present policy of (c) whether an application the Cotton Corporation of India is to by a multi-national M/s Colgate- make purchases tit cotton only for the Palmolive (India) Pvt Ltd. is pend­ sick mills under the National Textile ing for setting up a project to manu­ Corporation; facture of sports goods In Jammu ft Kashmir in collaboration with M/s. (b) whether it to a fact that due to B*rcroft Inc. a subsidiary at ft. these limitation* there Is glut of cotton

m t u o m sm o r s t a t e in W *w#w % wafer w m ti % fin? m MIM BTKY or INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABBA MAITI): (a) 20.000 iftt **r ttf % fit* Yes, Sir. 1.20.000 *vm vtft vt w | fit* (b)No, Star. However, the propo­ soovtfw sals with commitment to export en­ ^nT% >ift v n w f i f f t r n tire production m»y be considered on 1978-79 It 10 m 50 merits. qR>¥ sq«t f t *mrer vr faijfa wri * ^ r (c) Government have not receiv­ f%*rr *tN t i q # wwt | fr % ed any specific proposal in this re­ vnf 1990-91 !Wr 5* f t i w gard. ’rfvrbRT % fw^ srrcrftr twit ipte It (d) Does not arise. f r s w s u i 1978-79 % ^ t r Weiw vnnnr 6 vrhr nft srRrfm iproftf 1978-79 % t o jsrttem *f It

Sport in the Prise* of Art Silk 8188. t w i 5prrr : WT TUTT Iff ^fT% fW «f$*T 8189 DR. BALDEV PRAKASB: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be far: pleased to state:

( * ) % aj*t t v % (a) whether Government have noticed a recent spurt in the prices of a*rr tn* mfkmf*wf % f*ns frilr art silk and nylon yarns; «ft srwur w ft w *t*jt f t *T*rr (b) if so, the reasons thereof; (w) 3ft tf, wt w arrt fsnrfor- (c) whether it is a fact that Gov­ v r i m u v f t *ft tn m m f ernment in consultation with the fftr Mi^i ^ ytr Tv

twt tWt(tft vrAw«i m ) : THE MINISTER OP STATE » (v) It (*r). w m fr m t f «?fs- THE MINISTRY OP INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABBA MAlTl): (a) vrfWf irtr w * h v % % ftnj There has been no sprut in prices of frfw vft tn vn ff v r fa*rf*r f’T^wrr viscose filament yarn and nylon fila­ Tr^ft sfiwT| i

(c) No Sir. The Tactile Commis­ der Section 506 IPC was registeredaft sioner b«« fixed M r prices of viscose Policy Station Original Road and i» and nylon filament yarns on the basis under investigation. ' Of cost study. (d) The spinners and weavers Appointment of Relatives of Eapiojr- ees of Doordarsfaaa ea Canal OMtnet have not go far entered into a volun­ tary agreement. 8191. SHRI R. L. P. VERMA: (e) Information about State-wise Will the Minister of INFORMATION supplies of art silk yarn is not avail­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased able. The spinners have, however, to state: confirmed that they are maintaining deliveries as customary in the past. (a) whether any relations of a per­ manent employee , of Doordarshan cannot be engaged on casual contract basis for any post; Tibia CoUeve Incident (b) if so, categories of relations 8190. SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: which are included for such type of Will the Minister of HOME AF­ ban; and FAIRS be pleased to state; (c) if so, the justification of debar­ (a) whether he is aware of the ring qualified and eligible candidates Incident of Tibbia College, Karol only being a relation of any employee Bagh, New Delhi on the 18th March, of Doordarshan? 1978 in which 12 students were in­ jured; and THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI (b) if so, the action taken by the L. K. ADVANI): (a) to (c). There Police? is no ban on the casual booking of relations of Doordarshan em­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ployees by Doordarshan Kendras THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­ if such persons are qualified for par­ FAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAN­ ticular posts. However all appli­ DAL): (a) and plaint under Section 107/150 Cr. P.C. was also sent against 14 persons of it considered suitable &>r inclusion in «ach iroup, in the Court of S.D.M. the panel far long term casual Original Road. AH of them have booking, the entire panel has to be been summoned by the Court and are facing trial. As one of the got approved by Directorate Lecturers had also received threats, a General, Doordarshan so as to leave case FIR No. 240 dated 19-3-78 un­ no room for nepotism or favouritism. XI3 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6. 1900 (SAKA) Written Answer* 1X4

Ameunt «M*t on flereentag Picture (*r) *rf* ?r> w f m t mrt on * .* . Ceirtte, Madraa . fc&xnfftftyrpm 8182. SHSI G. BHUVARAHAN: forr arntor ? Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to wrf ifoft (tflr j^<9 11 M w sRrrftr vr ^mnr w frfkfwr % mfrr f^ r (b) the amount spent on Tamil films during the same period? < n ^ r j i t t 3 t t ^ % amr fvrr ^r^rrr ar> irtkPwr % infor THE MINISTER OF INFORMA. ftpTTB THR ffft ^ f | TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. ADVANI): (a) An amount of Rs. 11,08,000/- was spent by Madras (v ) trffiw w i vfarPm Jf "Doordarshan Kendra during the "«rrc” ft qftim * vrc * vn r z*ft period 15-8-1975 to 81-3-1978 on fiwr wpt % far? s rjw screening language pictures. (The fn^^ijpTvr, i t m Kendra was inaugurated on 15-8-1975 and has not completed 3 years) mfr *nf*w & 1 snpprrr iffi wrft TnF^r w * qfmmftwl (b) Of the above mentioned amount, Rs. 6,31,000 was spent on tfr *TT *r %mt ^ r% m It t f k Tamil films. f^ R V T W R %■ fW'X fV V T 3TPTT «rr, Tpsfhrwr stctk f^rf^r f n f f 1

vtam wrof if WK 3%- (*r) ®r tM tt fcr irrofir *TTfa?r I 5ft *R TPR if t I 8193. tfV tnjpvr : vrr * ^ f t rrr ^ % • X ttfm V T f T («F) fqTrn fJT^TT 3 * Vhr^TT WPT irr^vt Vt ^ fT 8195. «ft «rmnw fw? : wm ft*FU mwt % q ff i w w % arr* THTto Wfft ?T5 3RTT% ft fm fy • f^Fpf?r tiwrfwft *rftnr£»r f w *ptmrr; (v ) for srrf^T V ^TT 30 v f 9T1% STR" ift yrvrr t^r ( *G ) *RTT ^ V T f T sftfw JR T % ^ Tjft f , HTwwt fiwr *tht wt ftp v tw r agpft fTR ^ iiforrfff (< t) arfir w t v r i t m wRrofv f a n mAm, «nps w ft fftT TT

(»r) tar * v t | *t n State Governments an# Union Ter­ ritories, fhe sectoral programmes at *TWN f*wf, fWOfif, the State level will provide for w r fin r w m ftwnfl iiniWWf v t ft a steps to reduce regional disparities. swre gwfiwwi ^rr |; Area planning for full employment, to be achieved over a period of ten years, will be a feature of the deve­ *n>r inm ro « r m wrft («torat lopment strategy. wwt jroft): tr (»r). 1T5 w^srr The Plan of the Union Territory of *FT ?!^ t fa ?R*PR *tf TTST ?frf?T Andaman and Nicobar Islands will $t 1 1 «pqfT % star $ be plepared with the same objectiv­ *ftrfcr tf’ Tfor *rtr ?w t ftrcrcr es. vrtrr sfar virfnM $ v w i f*!$Wf Expenditure incurred on Flhaotsav VT 'TP’R sprtft Tft I I f ^ STfW held in Madras v t ?ft*n ^stt fatrffrsr qnft «ftr 8197. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ ^?fr 5T*rr * K ^cft ’snpn: t t sw t»r DIT: Will the Minister of INFOR-4 MATION AND BROADCASTING be 55hn#t iftfir FI'S VTVRIV9T pleased to state: ffPTi WTTf *lf I I ^TffT T5?T TT 23 (a) total expenditure incurred by fiRWT, 1977 Vt 7<# iRflflvtPTV Government on the Pllmotsav held in *ftf?r fon w Jr *r$ s flw ?pt% fa Madras between 3rd January to 17tb January, 1978; tfirfsRT w?t *Pt fowt % %rtr fa®pr t t w (b) how much of the above has been wart ir ^rrf *> f^rrr n?t v^f?r recovered through screening of foreign

?ft arrirot, ?w t *t*rt ist w it ^t films, through advertisements and other

(c) Foreign exchange business of Rs. 71.08 lakhs was negotiated by t i m the Indian Motion Pictures Export Corporation for export of Indian fea­ 8199. «ft : ture fllzn8 out of which business transacted and actually secured was Rs. 31.22 lakhs. Similarly, business of Rs. 0.50 lakhs was transacted by m «jf »r?ft »rf wn* fPir other organisations on this account.

( v ) Tnrmrr f^r»rr*T % tostar vfowr fiwwH srihn % ftnj flww fi^n ^ yr ftar% *r$r*n>, WTTTTfr, srfsrwrrd', *?$t- 8198. TW: WT qfoim *ra? f a t o f ? t t * t irftnPR> *rr$ w x ^ I;

(v ) wr «ft fir*R tffart- (sr) ^r*f % fapw *tfw, 'ry«rrc f w ft £vr % ?rf?T % fm r w w aN rr wnn^sRr fVrr ? ^ t , iftr

(t ) *rfir fr, eft % fiRfv t o r *nft («ft *taraft fcn f) s 27—11—1972 ^ VniWiT 5TTTT #WT (*p) vft, fT I 27/2/7 1 —^^ToHVo^ o fVTtV 20-7-1974 % vnrf^r SfFTT WWT1 (w ) ttkt jftiRmf % *fephr *vr 10/41/ 7 3*^Tofft®€t’o *RPhT f»f % shit % f*m, fpfa-w w nj 'r x w r vnf^fy «Pt *r# f w nff, vinv, siTffinP ^srrsnff ifft vTtx srfH % vrrf^T wrt «rw WWfWMrttfkfiW fWWTUlf % fWfil*e % ftrcr t o r jtttt f«rr vnhn^ t i t sftnf if ^hTI'Wwi^ fa r e ^5t i 31T x # ffR rra' Jf^ir % ffcrcj, v fs r tw ¥7 Sfr qfnft itor thbt n*nr * . * t « w w n ^ w 119 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Written Antwert

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fafar*«fr v^*ra «fftnprtt 14 3 *Ftt % trjfflT (Tnprfii?r) «rrfy sppmrv 36 6 tr fgfiw f f c % WJtfPC (raw fln r) arrftr

if W f* THE MINISTER OP STATE W THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a)' and (b) Certain provisiona contained 8200. fnr* : wr m the Industries (Development and1 1ft T&ft tit f ' vt m v r son, the Central Government is satis- t far q* »TTfwt ^Rft fled that the financial condition and other circumstances ol the company- t «ftr fT^rct «fV irrttfTv ^ % owning the sick industrial undertaking tit | ’ are such that it is not in a position to meet its current Labilities out ol its *15 «tamu if ttwpt «iwV («ft o ft* current assets, it may, if it considers it necessary in the interest ol general wm *tw ) : (* ) 1- 1-78 % public so to do, decide that tbe said 31-3-78 ?rcr tit iwfsr *r, 1977 % industrial undertaking may be sold aft ’Axft ^ptr srrfer vt 6 ^tctw «re,;rrsft a running concern. However, no such 1 5 proposal in relation to any specific tit Jr 178 TOR> HIT industrial undertaking whose manage­ % m # tit fwti t o | f i ment has been taken over under the Industries (Development and Regula­ {*) v»fy tion) Act, 1951 is presently under con­ sideration ol the Government. »nf*ft xfa jm tt tit vrrdfkv f t % wft * wm ?>ft $ 1 *fter Pending requests ol licence and letter *nft*ft «rtr «Wt *r% st tt%• of Intents and simplifying procedure ^ 141 ITRTRTW TRY be pleased to state % *jw vror f 1 (a) the number of requests pending consideration for grant ol licence and* letters ol intent at the end of March* (M a g or sefflng of rick wltm 1978,

8201. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: WUl (b) the number ol such requests the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased pending consideration from Madhya to state: Pradesh, (c) whether the proposal to simplify (a) whether Government have a the e»«tfag procedure in order to* proposal under consideration to dose quick disposal of such requests is under down or soil to the private sector mum consideration of the Government; and Incurably aide units taken Over by the Government; and (d) if so, details thereof? (b) Lt «o, what are the details THE MINISTER OF STATE IN thereol? TBE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY’ Written Answers APRIL 26, 1078 Written Answers

(SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) recommended for setting up a panel 208 licensing application* ware due to review implementation of power pro* for disposal as on 31-8-1978 lor setting jects throughout the country; and up new undertakings, effecting sub­ stantial expansion and/or for the (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ manufacture of new articles. ment thereto?

(b) 10 applications from Madhya THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Pradesh were due for disposal as on P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) and (b). ■31-3-1978. It was decided that a suitable orga­ nisation be established In each State (c) Licensing and related procedures for effective monitoring of the pro­ lave been simplified so as to reduce gress of power projects. The Chief the time lag in issuing the requisite Ministers of the States have been approval. Efforts are made to issue requested to review the existing ar­ various clearances expeditiously. rangements in this regard and to strengthen the organisation wherever Id) Does not arise. required.

It was also decided to have a Stand­ Subsidy for cement units ing Committee of the Power Ministers’ Conference. This has since been set 8203. SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRI- up. SHNAN: WiU the Minister of INDUS­ TRY be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have a proposal under consideration to grant W W W f T subsidy for cement units; and (b) if so, what are the details and 8205* TTW : *RT objective therefor? nFjft arcn% aft v*T * 3 * Pf :

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (* f ) w t «mr jftorr % THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI)- (?) ant $ srcvnc % and (b). Government have appointed tnfCT Ppu | tott % *r*[- a high level Committee for carrying % fm aft vqpt fa ff fr ; out a comprehensive review of the Cement Industry. The terms of refer­ ence to the Committee include, inter (w) *r»h: srt & ggfty fo alia, fresh study of the cost structure * fR»r f ; end ex-work price for cement Govern­ ment are also considering grant of sub­ ( *r ) W T sidy to cement units for captive power slants etc. ^ 3RRTT Jf arg?r i r r t N " ®rrcr $ ;

f u e l to review Implementation of power projects (*) a n t ^ % ir£)u flr*FTT nft «wr aflifarr I? 8204. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH: WiU the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state; «Nnw I Tim ahft ^par© rffco mfgn) : (w ) a^nn*5 (a) whether the recent conference ■of State Power Minister, Chairmen of W K W i, 1977 T W p rfir Electricity Boards held In Delhi has *0*% % »rcr |i 123 Written Answer* VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers ia6

(m ) f W v % *T a?t$ ^ t t j t ft?iT *rr jqpr v*nhx arrarR ft?rr $ | far w^Rraj % vfhft it iRRfhi a ftr % ? w t ?t t « r * r w «tp*t $ 1 TTTtr aranr % fashrar ^T ftrrr I, tit SPFTftRT «TI% aft v ftw sn?PT a R % v t irfir tit srvnnft aft ?r*rRnft ^ % 1 $, faff FT ftti tftx f^FT srfiRt aft ^r*?r arr^ aft wtT®rr ^rfnH wifc ?r«n wiwitawi mnwTT ft »rf f>, wfiranr *r %% % farrj aR% *TT W W R •Hft VC < R m ft % a r v 1® a rrft anc ?r|?' i v m 'ir fv a i fiWHW m r «f^TT vt STTTT 108 % 5Tf?r fR^sft #ar w a rr, inft an j w r a tr^ a i% 8206. aft *Jl*jaiW JWW : w r erPRRt % ®TTjnr % fwqr WRRi wm tit* srarnro * R f t n f sr?n% tit vt *n»r aft wvtft 11 vbfs ^ W a ;^ r % a>iJj*MO irftpFR an spfto tt^ t ^rranrt cptt ??«r mfim weft % srmfnfl jjtf (a?) WTit arr^ rtt vtf antnr | vrm 1 1 * m t irgar areaitr wr«R ft tft? fop^t «rfa?rat % ??ft % 5*n w fei fftar («r) ar?far T tm t ?rfbiar snw fc, *t ttot $ tfr tfftft BTFft an- srcfrT Tnwr trra rrrt j r r r fa w r aft snPrv tTi^pnift tit sfer qjtnft $ ¥nrr | sTRrrfaRr ff»r qfV^ & jt^tr *i«rcrr fsR^T 3f * r q$t «rr®iT5 $?THr aft sr^fttaft aft Ttv% % far? tor r JIWALA. WU1 the Minister of INDUS­ TRY be pleased to state f%s stott tfa* arrarr fc ’ (a) is it a fact that the quota of the f v n i ftK m rm (aft wm coal given to textile industries have W W i r t t • (ar) v r m t n f been reduced by 40 per cent, 127 Written Anawers APRIL 26, 1976 Written Answer*

(b) it it also a tact that the supply District-wise break up i# given in ol electric power to the textile industry statements laid on the Table ol the is also irregular; House. [Placed in Library. 0ee MO. LT-2194/78]. (c) il not, it is not also a lact that the Textile Mills Association has in Pensions have been suspended/can­ a press release complained ol tbe cut celled in cases where it has subse­ to the extent ol 40 per cent; quently come to notice that tbe appli­ cants are ineligible for pension be­ (d) whether Government has probed cause— into the complaint; and (i) they have not undergone the (e) il so, what is the reaction ol minimum prescribed political suffer­ Government? ing; or THE MINISTER OF STATE iN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (ii) the suffering is not in connec­ (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): The in­ tion with the freedom movement;^ formation sought m the question has or been collected Irom the Ministries ol (in) they are having an income Railways and Energy and is furnished which is more than the prescribed as follows: minimum. (a) and (b). No, Sir. (c) No application is pending initial (c) No such press release has come scrutiny. However, 12,060 cases in to the notice ol this Ministry. Bihar and 1536 cases m Uttar Pradesh, have been filed for want ol acceptable (d) and (e). Do not arise. documentary evidence Irom the Iree- Pension to freedom lighters from Bihar dom fighters. As and when the re­ and U.F. quired evidence/information is received the cases will be reviewed and pension 8208. SHRI AGHAN SINGH THA- KUR. Will the Minister ol HOME AF­ sanctioned in eligible cases. FAIRS be pleased to state: (a) the number district-wise of the freedom fighters who have been Crisis in Thermal Power Unite due^ receiving pensions from the Central to low coal inventories In Delhi and Government in Bihar and Uttar Pra­ Maharashtra desh; 8209. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE (b) the number district-wise in the PATIL: Will the Minister of ENERGY above States ol those persons whose be pleased to state: pensions have been withheld and the reasons therelor; and (a) whether his attention has been (c) the number of applications tor drawn to tbe news item published in pension from these State* which axe the Economic Times dated 26th March, still pending and the time by which a 1978 indicating that a crisis has da* decision will be taken on them? veloped in the Thermal Power Genera­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion Plants in Delhi and Maharashtra MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI as a result of critically low coal inven­ DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) and tories; (b). The figures are as follows:— (b) efforts made by Government to Name of the No. of Naofcaaes rash coal to boost inventories to the State eases withhe what action the Government to institute an enquiry into thb and have taken or peopose to taifc against stop the sale

THE MINISTER OP ENERGY THE MINISTER OP STATE IN

(b) if so, the reasons as to why (c) The depletion m the coal stocks similar procedure has not been adop­ of power stations in Maharashtra and ted for the appointment of C.S.S. Delhi had resulted from a variety of Officers to Deputy Secretaries grade masons and cannot be attributed to for whom the posts in Secretariat are the failure on the part of the manage­ cadre posts? ment of power stations. The question of taking action against persons res­ THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE ponsible for the lapse therefore does MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS not arise. (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) Appointments of Grade I/Grade II officers of IES/ SSS to posts in various Ministries/ Departments, included in the cadre of Sale of Defective Bread In Delhi these Services, are made in consulta­ tion with the administrative Ministry/ Department concerned. In the case of 8210. SHRI GOVtNDA MUNDA: Will officers of Grade Ill/Grade IV of those tbm Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased Services, they are posted straightaway to state: against the cadre posts. (a) whether it is a fact that defec­ tive brad oi Bakries in Delhi, which (b) Posts of Deputy Secretary in la not fit for human consumption, is the Secretariat are not cadre posts for M a g marketed; any Service. Hence the question of nominating officers of CSS is these (b) If so, what is the cause of it; posts, like IES/ISS Officers posted to tfceir own cadre posts, does not arise. Written Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answers 13a o i f i W f % Pra* wiTwri' % urthr (w) t t to p t tf**t finwft wto# 3trt sretf&ra 2 .6 6 w j % 8212* *7r *t f*rr*r % «rw fw n ftii «ft 1 for ’ira- efta w f % Jfknr ^nfl^ t o r % snNrfttff % ftP55 % srTTtof *?t fsrvnrgf srr^r cptt ^ Tfrqf % *mmf $ *?t »if *? f*Ri%

(b) If so, whether the Border Security Force has been found in­ vft W fv^fWrnr f»fTR yttt w t jt adequate in tackling the problem; (TT3TFTPT) »Ft VR>? fiWdtoW 9>*r- *mfi ^5 h Ttftt (c) what steps are being taken te meet the challenge; 8213. srtmH fin r fftpft : f^T (d) whether army has been alerted w rf *P\ft n? iffTT% ft ^ tt ^ in this regard; and % : (e) whether the Ministry has taken (w>) *r?T ? t w*ff % sftrrT ^rnfV®r up the matter with the Bangladesh f?g^r.Tttr fspw j r t wm jr (tt^jw r ) Government? % ftp? fap^nft fwCTtfNr^r vhnmr ^H?r THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE q?t *Tf t ?nrr s i * far* rrfsr ft *if ; MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS tfir (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a> to (c). There has been no significant increase m dacoities and cattle lifting (^) Tn*i ?Ft f^iftarT'JT ^t along the Tripura-Bangladesh Border f%?pft %?srm ar^nc % fasTnrsfte and the B S.F. is dealing with the *? problem adequately. B S.F. authorities have also recently discussed the pro­ 3nrf *nft (*ft ito r w * o t ) : blems relating to border crime and manning of the international border, (* ) 1976—77 *ftr 1977-78 with the Chief Minister of Tripura, % sftTR pT’FT %, <|3ff«ll*T % with a view to make the arrangement* ft, 2. 71 «rd? f t j?r w for prevention of border crime mom effective. y^Rgrr f t 7 vw fa^?ffaT»r sftfff f t f < (d) and (e). No, Sir. 2j»3 Written Answer* VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answer* 134

? w ^ srfww wurni ( 1) fingpr snmft sptwr s t w SRTff TT "TTSifW I 8215 . «ft Tier sn m : «rt 3nrf «rcn% ?rqT ^ r ( 2) ft^r srumft snrm t? 9 : fa : ^r fw rjr RTszrv^ 1

(ff) TTST^PT sflT tffS ( 3) faspr srnrpfV ^ viwjd'C *ptt srsftaFr ^rtrfgrorlf *r srfsr^r *p=*TRf SPlfrr TT «IT3 5RTT? W TTSq^PT I ^ f5r ?fwr t ; ( 4) fa^ar sTTFrVgrsTT cm ^C T H TT ^fTT "FT qiSZPFT I (

t ; ( 5 ) fW?T sni|T<=Tl if « W W 17 WTK f ? T ? ®PT qTOTTPT I ( 7r) srr*r f ^ n f ^rrCTr*T sftr *n w r ^r st^r -stst^ ( 6) f^cT ^f^TT ’sft f ; srk q r ^ w «rT&rm 1

(«r) ssr srtrc- art « ? r a w s r fc ft »rr*T srfsRTT ^r *ir*r *rn»Pr^ =5ft T t t '^ f ff*ft Jrrtw % rr^rKY^ff ^rr JifwerT 1w ^rrarr w # ' % # tot tfV I 1

I ? (*r) f?r wfpr fr tt qrsqrspT ir^V srjrf *r?fV («ft qVo 5f 53TT ^ f 1

(V) cm f^ffrT qnfoP STfifrem (q ) wff«P ^rr t| TOir- ytfth fewft, ’tptj*, f # p : ?m ^t?fV w r ?Tc5RT rTTTTtfft fa** % | *f forcr 1 f?r% srfafTRT tr^r fosjT # ^nrr# wft ?»r ?r*nT J^Jfr SPIRft STfW^ flPFTFT rPTT *R*T- I 1 w r sTftrcpr *rc*rnr mV % 1 % 5 > ff ww^Yk * f 1 Winding up of Matdt Factor!** 8216. SHRI AHMED HUSSAIN: Will (w ) %?fr cm ifrteft % it e m ! the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased 3r*t Wvm; m f — ^ to state: *[f*wfWY % f?rtr crt (a) whether it is a fact that hi* SPTTWf % f%TT I |»rfcj7: ?fPTR *f ^5T Ministry are considering any proposal g’rm lf % % t ft qrsqpVT w n r r for winding up of the existing match factories and ownership and the *rr t$t | sm- $r to %*?t Industry Minister has declared it in • irsftfarfl- wfiiwfaff % ftnt ?[V

(c) number of match factories i.n 1he of Orissa the relevant portion from the country and number amongst them White paper on police issued by the owne"1 or managed by foreign firms State Home Department reads as. and number of each of them likely to under:- be winded up? " With the release of a large num~ THE MINISTER OF STATE l~\1 ber of leading CP(ML) cadres iii THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTHY pursuance of the policy of the Gov- (SHRIMATI ABHA MAI'TI) : (a) ernment, the CP(ML) cadres were- to (c). There are 3066 small scale reorganising and regrouping them- match units in the country including selves. The CP(ML) cadres have Khadi Units and Cooperative Units, been particularly active among pea- all owned by Indians. In addition sants, landless labourers and indus- M/s. WIMCO Ltd., Bombay, the only trial workers. Several incidents of company in the large scale sector, are their instigating the share croppers. having 5 units manufacturing matches. and the Adivasis to forcibly harvest Recently in a public speech at Coimba- crops from land cultivated by them tore, Minister of Industry referred to or illegally transferred (from) fore- his talks with the top management fathers came to notice. No serious. people of M/ s. WIMCO Ltd. in which law and order proble,m, !however,. he had informed them that they should, arose on account of such instigation. over a period of three years, phase although tensions prevailed for some' out their production of matches and time. The police continue to main-· diversify their activities. The modali- tain vigilance." ties of this are under discussion with the company in order to ensure that The State Government have statecf there is the minimum dislocation and that no serious law and order problem no adverse effect on existing employ- has arisen on account of the activi- ment. ties of Naxalites so far.

Regrouping of Naxalites in Oris-.:ia

8217. SHRI K. PRADH;ANI: Will the ~ ~-m it ~ii'<::~<:: '!l ~: Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas- ~rw ~ r~ ~Cfim ~~ ed to state:

(a) whether Central Government s 2 is. l!.lT ;:n~ f~ : ctli'r :a~)f(' are aware that Naxalites are regroup- +rn-r ~ <'!"aR 'fi"T 'li1TI'

(b) whether it is also a fact that ( Cfi) CfliT ~ ~ ~ fCfi ~~ ~'t;r white p aper on police issued by the (~R ) ~ rr+T'ii CfiT >jclITT' (c). According to the Government ~ ~ m

prices of their products and that pub-. ~ *'~ ii ~ *'' (151'tiffif lishers are having difficulties in obtain- ~ 'fl«ff) : ( 'fi) m~r~ ~en li' 1 9 7 6 ing paper at reasonable prices for the production of books. -~ OR 9iZ ful; ~ ~ OfR i1l1

  • per cent shall be cream laid or wove paper. This is expected to lead to Unprecedented Crisis of Paper an increased availability of commonly used varities of cultural paper and '8219. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY: to stabilise the prices. However, if Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be there is any unreasonable increase in pleased to state: ~ the prices of any specific variety of paper, Government would consider (a) whether the experts on book taking suitable measures, including the printing have expressed the appre- import of paper, to protect the interes~ hension that there will be linprece- of the consumers. ~ented crisis of paper this year;

    (b) if so, the reasons for the shor- tage of paper in the country; and

    (c) the action proposed to be taken 822 O· Tio if~~ f~ ~ by G\'.>vernment against the .persons responsible for creating artificial scar- CfflT ~ ~r ~ ~ Cfir ~err m city in paper and selling it on arbi- trary rates and to promot e the paper fcp ' production in the country? (CF) ffi \3"rr'fiT c;

    (*() W'WK ITTT W *TW% Sf Wf (e) ifkw«mrfipur%*f * 2 1 0 vrhrift *r ?# | ? iWWTff f t y x tt *jfar vt «rT*[ * f *r tfrrc ^ fta? arft m m frm fc 1 JW? *f*t («ft *fto TTWPT) : ( v ) 3*rr J^r if fosrsft fnft wnr ( 7) *nwre i r t fsftf^r f t anr flTVR *Ft *^TT | I w^t 5Tf ?m foj?r qfaffarcrof t t f^mfnr vrtf r m t o ft tftf ?t frar if (sr) *rr#, 1978 if finrsfr %■ ftnrr $ 1 •TWWV^TT 2420 ♦I’lmie f1% W flprnrr w «rr i ( 8) X m ^f 5TTT Fnfqw % 5R5TR ?RTR%fTsrTT- (»t) st^ t if t o f t sf^T t I ^srrc 5TRT % f?TTT fanfafiSRT <3*TFT ^ Tift | . ( 9) TrTT sr^n- t o f t spf wra^RTT v> $rr % f^TT, ^ n : (1 ) *TTT tfVT fa^cT ^?TT?*r f^cr fii¥ «r? ?ft srr^wv ?jfr- *ft tfTcTT snrar i w gwsr ft, sir^rr vr ( 2) "TT^t, sftarr *fir fr$*rpfar STRft | I % cn«T feracT Sjfajf It vj^aydl if gSTTT *TT% % far? q f^ R T v f w r *£$ v r f3*rr wm | 1 Import of Tallow

    ( 3) ^rn: sftw r m finNY jftf 8221. SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGIt Will the Minister ol INDUSTRY be 5r»mft if ’rfo?f % «rRnrRT g^rf pleased to state: Tt Mfdtqrffo 3?f 5?r: ^ (a) whether it is a fact that the f t wrcreiFT f t »if | i tallow imported from abroad, which contains tallow of cows and PUfo is ( 4) w k i if ^ *ft spffisrar iff, used in the manufacture of soap i » snvmv #9ftenr v^r, 5 CTT 5^ f t India; tSVSTO^T, nAfiflRT *JBTSRTT % (b) whether it is also a fact that jCTlfc f t HPIWT *T% *fal?T tJTT there are some religious sects and fa^?T 3RFTTCFT *Wsrf it ^JWPIT 5T«TT religious minded persons in India, who consider the use of tallow of g’sfltt finw^pn^RTT ^ i5®nr vr^r cows and pigs as a hateful and un­ nfiRRni fvarfir !3RW?r v^ f %f^ro[ w ft religious act; gsitr ^ I | (c) if so, whether keeping In view ( 5) 'ffkTT5rrrf^r%?ir1^ 210 the religious feelings of the Indian people Government will issue instruc­ $ m w f t srt*t *ftr fT^vnhr tions to soap manufacturers to indi­ wft f*nj?r f t 110 ihmrrs cate on the packet of the soap made with tallow—tallow used In the <^V ijfHsr if WTfa* «it sn^t «ftr *tf*TFr ■oap' so that people may know whe­ ^ % «ftrnr v^t ywrw f t ther they are to use such soap or not; irn irt 1 f t vt 1 9 7 7 -7 8 and % ^Jimi f«CTT W «TT I (d) if not, the reasons thereforT I4X Written Answer* TAISAKHA 8, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 14a

    THE MINISTER OF STATE JlN (b) The Industrial Finance Corpora­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY tion of India have sanctioned a loan (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) of Rs. 65 lakhs to M/s. Mukerian Use of tallow in the manufacture of Paper Mills and have also underwritten «oap is optional and depends on the equity shares of the value of Rs. 20.33 price and availability of tallow as well lakhs offered by the company to the as of other oils. As a matter of policy public for subscription. Government do not permit import of tallow for use of soap manufacturers in organized sector. Limited quanti­ ties of tallow are being imported for the soap manufacturers in the small- New Strategy for Development of scale sector. Roads

    (b) No representation against the 8223. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will use of tallow in soap has been received the Minister of SHIPPING AND t>y the Government so far. TRANSPORT be pleased to state: o (c) and (d). Do not arise. (a) whether Government have for­ mulated a new strategy for develop, ment of roads in the country and de­ tails thereof such as outlay for 1978- 79 by broad classification; Setting up of Paper Mill based on Agricultural Waste (b) what special steps are being taken to improve national high-ways; 8222. SHRI MOHINDER SINGH SAYIAN WALA: Will the Minister of (c) what is the total number and INDUSTRY be pleased to state: length of national highways at pre­ sent; (a) whether it is a fact that the Punjab State Industries Development (d) whether there is a proposal to Corporation, with a view to use agri­ increase the number and mileage of cultural waste as the basic material National highways; and has decided to set up a Paper Mill in the State with substantial financial (e) details of specific important help from Industrial Corporation; proposal under consideration and decision taken in this regard?

    THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) if so, the nature of financial help to be given by I.F.C. and the CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI amount thereof? CHAND RAM): (a) and (b). Consti­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN tutionally, the Central Government THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY are responsible for National High­ (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (9) ways in states. State Governments The Punjab State Industrial Develop­ are responsible for all roads other ment Corporation have been granted than National Highways in States and an Industrial licence for setting up a they have to plan, develop and main­ paper mill based on agricultural waste tain these roads according to their in the Hoshiarpur district (Punjab) needs and availability of resources. under the name and style "Mukerian Paper Mills Ltd.” The unit is proposed Concerning National Highway em­ to have a capacity of 9000 tonnes of phasis is to be laid on the completion paper. The project is to be imple­ of ‘on-going* works, and to take up mented in the Joint sector with the such new works as are of an urgent bdp of the financial institutions. nature. A provision of Rs. 76 crores 143 written Ansxoert APRIL 26, 1978 Wrftftnr Ammrtr t v *' 1% has been made for the development of (w) inrw fiw w National Highways during 1978-79. N----- ■ *. *»».•■ 11. . . k...-*.,^. U««U* A jla t ' *rr*»rr v IITBTV t^W InW l WSTT W*]!, (c) Fifty six in number and 28,970 »iWwf ^ t | i Ions, in length.

    (e) Does not arise. (*) «snw % pT*r ^ t o t o ^ fw w iftwn * «n*t, wf^r, fipft ftm *ftw %

    8224. vrrnift : wr g'q^RT STTWm t *Pt, 5TC* WWWT % 5 *reft *?t f^T fa *. uRnhr, srferffylw % srrarrc *rT, *f

    («r) ufir $r, ?rt tofw % tpwutt «jct % arfr^s vprrcv, wrc f ^ t farcer PnrT*T $ nfar ^njaRr f ^ r v % iftsnrr % sTTRrnrv «pt ^r* tp t ^ wt vTtrfem % yw «PTT | ; ^ i Ihu1v «r^r f t Phhi arr ^>w ( f*p f^ ft ftw«r jfpsnrr %snwrvf r r ? ) WT fig* wff ?t«rr =Enr^ m*fPr t ffm ft «ift arr^ i fironr v ^ ptt *pt i^p ifa t »’

    (*) $r, eft *wfav pf €ar and Scooter Ihefla in Delhi w t w w (fr*r* nftafe) % 8225. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Witt ¥ Srtr v w «mrtor % arfaj fSnjw (c) the number of times during the same period, the police have un­ % i <*»>’ t a w if t w *W {4 i «Pnt and (b). The number of can and urn *wr> :

    Vie years 1976 and 1977 are as follows:—

    Gan Scooter*

    Ymt ------i t ------Stolen Recovered Stolen Recovered

    *976 ...... 659 583 558 43° *977 ...... 9»o 737 880 38s

    (c) 15 gangs were smashed in 1976 Financial Assistance to States for and 9 in 1977. Upliftment of Harijans 8227. SHRI MOHAN LAL PIPIL: Amount of money granted for acqui- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS atttoa of ships from foreign countries be pleased to state;

    8226. SHRI VINODBHAI B. SHETH: (a) the total amount of financial Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND assistance granted to various States TRANSPORT be pleased to state: for the last three years for the up­ liftment of Harijans, the amount uti­ (a) the total amount of money lised and the amount lapsed due to granted for acquisition of ships from non-utilization; foreign countries during the last 5 years; and (b) the total amount of financial assistance proposed to be allocated t• (b) what is the country-wise break­ the various States during the next up of purchase of ships? financial year for this purpose; and THE MINISTER OP STATE IN (c) the particular spheres in which •CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF this assistance is utilised? SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI CHAND RAM): (a) During the last 5 THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THB years, Rs. 220 crores have been sanc­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS tioned as loans and Rs. 165 crores as (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a). guarantees for financing acquisition of The following amounts were released] ships from shipyards in foreign coun­ to the State Government out of the' tries. Central Budget for the Centrally spon­ sored schemes for the last 3 years:— (b) The country-wise break-up of ships acquired is as follows:—* (Rs in Lakhi) GJ5.R. 5 Tear Budget Provision RtUastt U.K. 2 1973-76 1461-30 141300 Poland 7 1976-77 1+53.50 1*7**5* 1977-78 1674.00 1630.9$ Sweden 3 Yugoslavia 11 Differences In the budget allotment Spain 6 and the releases during 75-76 and 77-79 Japan 10 were allowed to lapse because of lesser ■Belgium 1 ^Amanda from the States. These W. Germany 1 differences are, however, marginal., 147 W ritten Answers APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answer*

    (b) It is proposed to allocate fields Ltd. in July, 1976. Both of them, Rs. 2166.00 lakhs lor the year 1978-79. have retired from Directorship on (c) Under the Centrally-sponsored 31-12-1977. No non-officials were- schemes lor the upliftment of Harijans appointed to the Board of Directors, assistance has been granted to the of Central Coalfields Ltd. At present State Governments in the following there are no non-official directors oa spheres:— the Board of Directors of Coal India 1. Post-matric scholarships to Ltd. or any of its subsidiary com­ Scheduled Castes and Scheduled panies. Tribes. Production in Indian Field Gun 2. Pre-examination Training Cen­ Factory, Kanpur tres. 8229. SHRI SHARAD YADAV. Will 3. Girls Hostels the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 4. Machinery for the protection of to stale: Civil Rights Act. (a) whether the Indian Field Guo. Factory, Kanpur has started produc­ tion; and if not, the reasons for the Appointment ol Directors in Regional delay and steps being taken for an Units ol Coal India Ltd. during expeditious start of production; Emergency (b) whether the management ha* 8228. SHRI Y. P. SHASTRI. Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to not been making any plan to rehabi­ litate some of our ex-servicemen; and state. (c) if so, the reasons therefor (a) whether it is a fact that during along with details of employment the Emergency, persons belonging to potentialities? INTUC were appointed Directors in the various region units ol Coal In­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THU dia Ltd, such as Western Coalfields MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (PROP. and Central Coalfields without con­ SHER SINGH)- (a) Yes, Sir. The- sultation with the workers; production has started. (b) whether they continue to func­ (b) and (c). So far 42 ex-Service- tion as Directors in various Coal­ men have been employed by the fields with the result that the work­ management according to Government ers not belonging to INTUC are de­ instructions in this regard. nied justice and functionaries of INTJUC in coal mines continue to get Reference of Specific Projects tft undue benefits and favour in promo­ Defence Scienoe Laboratories tions; and 8230. DR MURLI MANOHAR (c) the time by which Central JOSHI; Will the Minister of DEFENCE Government propose to cancel the be pleased to state: appointment of such persons as Di­ rectors made during the Emergency in order to put an end to this type (a) the number of specific projects of favouritism and discrimination? and problems referred to Defence Science Laboratories in each of the THE MINISTER OF ENERGY years 1975, 1976 and 1977; and (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) (b) the number of projects com­ to (c). Two persons belonging to the pleted and problems solved by these INTUC had been appointed to the laboratories in each of the above Board of Director* of Western Coat years? 149 Written Axmoert VAJSAXHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answer* 50- THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE Ashram School*. Schemes on these (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Tbe lines have been included in the number of new projects taken up by Defence Research and Development Annual Plan for the U.P. Hill Areas Laboratories/Establishments during during 1977-78 and are being imple­ 1975, 1976 and 1977 a re- mented. The proposals for 1978-79 1975—215 have yet to be received. 197flr—241 1977—256 t) inrc Pradesh; vrsrrRpff tt (b) if so, the details thereof; and ^ wt t o | ? (c) the action Government propose w if «fto touwpt) : to take in the matter? (* ) faqp fa m % f^ ft nfkinfV THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI vrqv*r?, ippnw ihr-I vt MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). No q«p t o -I I separate schemes have been received by the Central Government for Wel­ fare or development in respect of Harijans in the U.P. Hill Areas. How­ (v ) ifhc (*r) ^fa *r w sftr- ever, such schemes are included in % *mm *rc fcn* the Sub-Plan for the development in? wrfwff % *itr ws: wntsror of the hill areas of U.P. The Sub- Plan Includes schemes ol giving in^r 1 Pre-Matric Scholarships to Students, srqynfipff % OT*pra Aid for Books and Appliances, etc. to Students, Aid to Families for the sifai % vm»r *rfw Development of Agnolture and Cottage Industries and Opening of «nff ftwr »m ( 1 , j l Written Annoer, APHII, *8, 1«» ’¥'

    SdMMMM fir W«lfer# «f 80 * ST ernments and wf|l be laid on ttw Table of the House. 8233. SHRI B. C. KAMBLE: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ‘’■ s a a r s x *

    (a) the various schemes district- 8234. SHRI ARJUN SINGH BHA- wise including the Greater Bombay, DORIA. Will the Minister of IN­ for welfare of Scheduled Castes and DUSTRY be pleased to state: Scheduled Tribes for the ensuing year m the State of Maharashtra; (a) what is the installed capacity and actual production of different (b) the various State-wise sche­ uruts in the refrigeration industry in mes including Union Territories for the country; the welfare of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes for the ensu­ (b> what is actual production of ing year; and each unit for the period 1976, 1977 (c) what machinery Government and 1978; and has set up or propose to set up on (c) what is the cause of low utilisa­ the State/Union Territory level for tion of tne capacity sanctioned? (b) above and on district level for (a) above and whether Government 'propose to include M.Ps in the im­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN plementation Committees? THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) and (b). The licensed capacity and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN the production of the units licensed THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFF­ for the manufacture of Domestic AIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAN­ Refrigerators and still in production DAL) : (a) to (c) Information has during 1976, 1977 and 1978 (Jaa- been called for from State /UT. Gov- Feb.) is as under:

    Licensed 1976 1977 1978 S. Name of the firm capacity Produc- Produc- Produc­ m tion ion tfota (Jan— Febu

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    t. M/s. Godrej sad Boyce Company, Bombay 30.000 >6,7*4 S7.**9 8,906

    a. M/i. Fedders Lloyd Carpn, New Delhi to,ooo i.3«8 *.474 *8*

    3. M/s. Hyderabad AUwyn . 30,000 95,509 3*»57* 6,646

    4. M/s. Rdvinators, Fandabad 1,00,000 ♦3.7*4 69,466 *°.9S»

    5. M/s. Sur Indwtriet, Calcutta » MQO 35 *4 6

    « . M/s.Volta* Ltd. 11,000 ys#7* #»?5* v a h u jk h a t, tmO (SAKA) Written **& J e t o & r m of, sta^e nr under-utilisatttft k dpa&ty in tike the Mfagrt#* OF AJtir- inibjatry as a whole is lade of de­ AIRS rSJfRl $. D. > A ttL ): (a) Ho,. mand. Sir. Wfftitfl*. fa fcjfe ftottfy, **»!»» (b) A meeting of the Ministers is proposed to be held on a date con­ 8236. gjHRI GADADHAR SAHA: venient to them possibly in the next’ Will the Minister of DEFENCE be month. pleased to state:

    (a) the number of vacancies in Extension of Delhi Special Police Es­ Rifle factory, Ishapur and Metal and tablishments Amendment Act Steel Factory under D.G.O F. caused by retirement and premature expiry 8237. SHRI HARI VISHNU KA­ of employees during the last three MATH: Will the Minister of HOME yean; AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) number of vacancies trade and (a) whether his attention has been grade-wise; drawn to the reported decision of the Government of Karnataka State to (c) number of vacancies filled in withdraw its consent to the extension so far; if not, the reasons thereof; to Karnataka of concurrent powers of and investigation, by the Centre, of of­ fences under the Delhi Special Po­ (d) the Government policy of ab­ lice Establishments Amendment Act; sorbing the trained artisans from Ord­ nance Training Schools of D.G.O.F. (b) if so, Government’s reaction > in the vacant posts? thereto;

    THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (c) the Constitutional implication' THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE of the reported decision; (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) to (d). The information is being collected (d) whether the said decision is and will be placed on the Table of symptomatic of any centrifugal ten­ the House. dency; and

    (e) the effect of the decision on the work and proceedings of the Grover fixation of Pay of Assistants in Rail­ Commission as well as on the work of way Board Office investigation by C.B.I. under the Centre's orders, of certain matten 8236. SHRI L. L. KAPOOR: Will based on the Grover Commission's the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be interim report? pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 2988 on the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 15th March, 1978 regarding fixation THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFF­ of pay of assistants in Railway AIRS (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) The Board Office and state: -Government of Karnataka, by its notification dated the 3rd April, (a) whether any meeting has since 1978, has withdrawn its consent given hesn convened by the Committee of by it earlier under Sec. 6 of the Delhi Ministers to resolve the issue pend­ Special Police Establishment Act, ing for over 3 or 4 yean; and 1946, which enabled the Special Po­ lice Establishment OCBI) to txarajfe*' ( b> tt not, w h « a meeting Is *s»- its power* and jurisdiction in the- Xtosed to be fixed to finalise the issue? State °* Karnataka. n< 5 Written Answer# APRIL 26, 1978 Written Antwerp 156 (b) to (d). The legal implications the State was advised to manage .and other issues arising oat of this within their allocation. action of the State Government are under study. (c) Requests for additional ad-hoc allocation to meet emergent situation (e) The aforesaid action of the are considered on merits in the con­ State Government does not affect the text of overall availability. How­ inquiry being held by the Grover ever, it is open to the State Govern­ Commission of Inquiry which is con­ ments to re-adjust their requirements tinuing its work as hitherto. However withm the overall allocation to meet pending study of the legal implica­ the situation arising out of draught. tions the Special Police Establish­ ment is not proceeding further with th draught affected States and sought tfipiwT 5P7 WTPTt WRT State of Karnataka, including a case registered by it against Shri D. De- varaj Urs and others on one of the ^ 8239 - TTTOfl : fZTT STOTT

    allegations covered by the First Re­ srerpt f t i*?r ^ fa : «rt port of the Grover Commission of Inquiry. shftsPTTTt 3ft P W t OTPT

    ir |tr ir *ft, fsrcn-r Tisnrrc Demand for Steel, Cement etc. by % srrof srRj^r snm % Draught Affected States ? p n % w e r t *Ft ?r*rrcr

    8238. SHRI C K JAFFER SHARI- *FT | ? EF: Will th? Minister of IN­ DUSTRY be pleased to state srarnr iwi{)

    (a) whether the Governments of 'Sft, ^ I | f*P the draught affected States hnd sought yfrnTiTciT, assistance in getting cement and R.C.C. pipes for the purpose of lift irrigation ^ rnr v fr z tfTfarfoff ir ^ w f t and other schemes to face the serious srrcrf»r*crr ewr ^rnsr Iw $ W f w r r t t , scarcity situation in those States; 9 ft fw fi T f t f i r f^pJTT !3fT*T I (b) if so, the demand made by each State and the quantity allotted and supplied to each State so far; and Production of Energy by MHD Technology (c) the criteria for allocation and assistance? 8240. SHRI K. MALLANNA; Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) (a) whether the MHD technology, and (b). No such request for assist­ which produces power by using hot ance has been received in the re­ coal gas, is capable of raising the effi­ cent past. However, in June, 1977 ciency of a fuel burning electric pow­ a request was received from the er station to over SO per cent equival­ Government of Orissa for additional ent to get one and a half times more allotment of cement in view of the of energy out of one and the same draught condition in most parts of tonne of fuel; the State, but in the context of the shortfall in production of cement in (b) whether the Indo-Soviet joint the country due to power cut etc., work in the field of MHD (Magneto- 157 Written Answer* VAISAKHA 6, 1900 {SAKA) Written Answers 158

    faydro-dynamics) conversion of energy “Small Scale Furniture Industries re­ have framed any scheme in this re­ quest for excise exemption and rate* gard; and ing excisable turnover to Rs. 5 lakhs’' has been considered by Government (c) if so, the main features thereof? and what is its opinion; THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (b) whether Industry Ministry made MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. some favourable recommendations to the Finance Minister on that repre­ (b) Yes, Sir. sentation on that subject; and (c) The Magneto Hydro Dynamics Cc) if so, the details of recommen­ Power Generation involves direct con­ dations? version of heat into electricity. The process chosen for Research & Deve­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lopment work in India consists in THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY gasifying coal and burning it to pro­ (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) duce a high temperature gas which is Yes, Sir. further ionised and expanded through a duct across a magnetic field. An (b) and (c). Thc> Ministry of In­ elcctric current is thus produced in dustry was in broad agreement with the electrodes placed inside the duct. the points raised in the representa­ The Research and Development work tion and made a recommendation to is being undertaken under the spon­ the Ministry of Finance on 15th sorship of Department of Science and November, 1977 for raising the ex­ Technology jointly by the Bharat cise exemption limit for small scale Heavy Electricals Ltd. and Bhal>h& steel furniture manufacturing units Atomic Research Centre. Technical from Rs. 1 lakh to Rs. 5 lakhs. The consultation is being provided by Ministry of Finance have already Institute of High Temperature, Mos­ issued a notification on 1st March, cow in accordance with an agree­ 1978 raising the exemption limit of ment between Government of India excise duty on steel furniture from and Government of USSR. The main Rs. 1 lakh to Rs. 5 lakhs in the case features of this programme are:— of units whose value of clearance does not exceed Rs. 15 Inkhs. 1. Creation of a suitable base for research and development work in the field of MHD Generation. frfirftr 2. Development of an MHD ex­ perimental plant at the level of 5—15 MW (thermal input) 82 42. : wr and conducting experiments sfirf *33 arcrnr wt fa : thereon. (*p) to t

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    b n m w la M eet of pair B n * to Central Secretariat via Rohtak Road and Mandir Marg. £248. SHRI D. B. CHANDRE GOWDA: Will the Minister of IN­ (b) to (d). The suggestion has not DUSTRY be pleased to state: been found feasible. The proposed diversion will deprive those who have (a) whether lt is a fact that due to to go to University, Old Secretariat, scarcity of coir husk, its prices have I. P. College, ISBT and the officer become exorbitant; and complex at I.T.O. of the existing bus facilities. Those who want to travel (b) if so, the details regarding the via Kali Dass Marg and Rohtak Road, Assistance Government have provided can avail themselves of the services to this industry? on route No. 157 or 14 operating from Ashok Vihar to Connaught Circus, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN from where a large number 0f buses THE MINISTRY OP INDUSTRY are available for Central Secretariat. (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI); (la) Yes, Sir. (b) The Government of Kerala are Representation from Bhartlya 8am- considering taking steps to procure rakshaa Kamgar Sangh regarding husks from private traders under the relief to Government servant* Coconut Husks Control Order, 1973 and making them available to the in­ 8250. SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Will dustry at controlled prices. the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that Gov­ ernment have received a representa­ D.T.C. direct bus route between Ashok tion dated 22nd November, 1977 or Vihar and Central Secretariat thereabout from the General Secre­ tary of Bhartiya Samrakshan Kam­ 8249. SHRI DURGA CHAND; Will gar Sangh C.O.D., Dehu (Pune), Ma­ the Minister of SHIPPING AND harashtra in regard to the grant of re­ TRANSPORT be pleased to state: lief to families of Government ser­ vants who are in receipt of family (a) whether Government have re­ pension and extraordinary pension; ceived any representation for provi­ and sion of DTC bus between Ashok Vihar (b) if so, what action have Govern­ and Central Secretarial by the direct ment taken or propose to take? route I.e. Via Rohtak Road and Man- dir Marg; THE MINISTER OP DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, (b) if so, whether any survey has Sir. The representation dated 22nd been made on this behalf; November, 1977 from the General Secretary of Bhartiya Samrakshan (c) if so, what are the details there­ Kamgar Sangh, COD Dehu (Pune) of; and was addressed to the Secretary. Minis­ try of Finance (Department of Ex­ (d) wtat steps Government have penditure) and it was received in the taken thereon? Ministry of Finance. THE MINISTER OP STATE IN- CHAXtOS 0 7 TH3E MINISTRY OF (b) On careful examination by that SHIPPING AND. TRANSPORT (SHRI Ministry, it w»8 not found posaile to CHAND RAM):

    Ban on Import «( Dimethyl Aniline No representation has been received directly from the President, Bhayan­ 8251 SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleas­ dar Salt Merchants’ Association of ed to state: Thana District (Maharashtra) by the Salt Commissioner. However, a re­ (a) whether it is a fact that the De­ velopment Commissioner, Ministry of presentation has been received by the Industrial Development has received a Salt Commissioner from Bombay Salt representation dated the 30th Novem­ Merchants’ and—Shilotries Associa­ ber, 1977 from K. D. Chemicals— Badlapur District, Thana (Maharash­ tion, Bombay with regard to excess tra) in regard to ban on import of weight of salt. Dimethyl Aniline; (b) and (c). The representation is (b) if so, what action has been being considered in consultation with taken on the said representation; and the Bombay Salt Merchants’ and4 (c) if not, the reasons thereof and Shilotries Association, Bombay. when it shall now be taken? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY wrt w r mlfir % w finSir (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) Yes, Sir. 825 3. ww vwrra: «rtt (b) It has been decided to include w t s m ^rr?r the item in the banned list srrt * 22 1978 % Cc) Does not arise S7?T SP53T 195% IT? *ft FTT Pp : Excess weightment of Salt

    8252. SHRI R. K- MHALGI Will («f) apsff *r sfar*rr the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleas­ ed to state: qr srnt arsrr?r % fa * faer# f a (a) whether it is a fact that the fisrefasT *TT*

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    197 5-76 686 22,270.46 WJ 1976-77 756 24,653.16 *T<* 1977-78 790 25,774. 90 WJ ccived in 1976-77 end 1977-78; and stTt for ?rr«r*r 2 ^ 2 .5 firtfsr State-wise break-up thereof; snf $1% 1 1 ftraru ^ srf?r far w m tt v t farfa iflr srfaffeer (b) how many of such petitions were allowed, dismissed In 1976*77 sirfW f srrfc * afrrf «t t P t St t o V and 1977-78 and State-wise break-up thereof; and

    ( 2) lit (c) how many such petitions are still pending decision and how many if ffhr Bv, x & f ^rr it are pending decisions from Maharash­ w «w i FAIRS (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) to (c). A statement is laid on the sr% for ^ T^nTTwr ^ T t 1 1 House. [Placed in Library. See No. * p t t araTT ^ f n f t ^ ! p r 9rr*r?r LT—2195/78.] 3 to wff *ftr ymuwufftf «TT*r?r ^ swraT ^5htt?t t t 51^ Black Market by Madhaonagar Cotton «rwr traf «ft sfarfsRr | 1 Mills. SangH

    (sr) i n s$r «ri% | \ *fa 8255. SHRI BAPUSAHEB PARU- LEKAR: Will the Minister of IN­ forftrtrc infest qfef fafHrcr DUSTRY be pleased to state: »ran/fte*r/Wr srret f, (a) whether one Shri V. D. Pat- t v snftepr 5? fat? ^ wardhan, ex-officer and shareholder «rrsrorf??rr q#r 1 1 *r«sf ifft 3*prramlr of Madhaonagar Cotton Mills, Sangli by the letter dated 19-8-77 addressed «rr ?>r siw w s ift sjrrsf *f ^ to him complained about (i) sale of ? t r *rta$ tfV *r*T?r **$f *nraft smft coke in black market, (ii) sale of t * h tr ft srxteT *r?rr cement in black market (ili) sal* of controlled yam in black market by $> the management of the said mill; (b) whether complaint about un­ litre, IMUfow authorised sale of looms by the management of the Mills was also 8254. SHRJ BAPOJSAWEB PARTJ- LEKAR: Will the Minister of HOMS made; and AEFAIBg be pleased to gtfttm (c) if so, what action has been (a) how many petitions for mercy taken and if not, the action Govern­ from condemned prisoners were ra­ ment propose to take? 175 Written Anctettg APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answers 175

    THE MINISTER OF STATE IN % *n- irfarV ^ fa ftftf m THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) to ^ fc, ^RT fa fftft % TO d t f w (e). Necessary information is being v * % t& frrm lf «fft

    f a : Area wider Army in J ft K State 8257. SHRI ABDUL AHAD VA­ ( * ) vrr ^ f fa w ttnwn»ft KIL; Will the Minister of DEFENCE % tmnrrc ^tt snm 5r f^fV w*Nft be pleased to state: sNtamf wise break-up; and v t t ; (b) whether it is a fact that land («) wr *fV ^ f fa owners of Gurez have not been given any rent so far for the land in the *fft farVNf % «r«r % «r* **r J & K State. It will not be in the | fa«% qfr iiirw p T «r#

    'Setting up of Snail Scale Vntta |»y Inquiry against Dtaeeter, Electronic* Large Seale Units Testing and Development Centre

    8258. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHA- 8259. SHRI BHAGAT RAM: Will RIFF: Will the Minister of IN­ the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be DUSTRY be pleased to state: pleased t0 state;

    (a) whether it is a fact that many (a) whether an enquiry has bean large scale units have directly or in­ ordered into the various charges of directly set up small scale units for corruption and malpractices levelled usurping thev facilities offered to against the Director, Electronics Test­ .small scale sector; and ing and Development Centre, a sub­ sidiary of the Chandigarh Small In­ (b) if so, the details thereof and dustries Development Corporation by the measures proposed to be taken to the workers of that Centre; prevent such practice? (b) if so, when the enquiry waa started and what is the modus ope­ THE MINISTER OP STATE IN rand* of the enquiry; -THE MINISTRY OP INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) and (c) whether Chandigarh Adminis­ (b). According to the notification is­ tration has received complaints from sued on 19th May, 1975 by the De­ the concerned workers that pending partment of Industrial Development enquiry the Director has become whereby the definition of small scale vindictive and prejudice towards industrial units was revised, the fol­ them; and lowing stipulation has been includ­ ed: “Provided that no such under­ (d) what are the safeguards pro­ taking shall be a subsidiary of or own­ vided to the workers and by what ed or controlled by any other un­ time the enquiry is likely to be con­ dertaking”. By this stipulation and cluded? instructions earlier issued, all units which are subsidiary or association THE MINISTER OF STATE IN of a company which is a large scale THE MINISTRY • OP HOME AF­ unit; where a portion of the capital is FAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAN- held by firms which do not come DAL): (a) Yes, Sir. within the definition of small scale units; where advance has been guar­ (b) According to the information anteed to the unit by big industrial received from Chandigarh Adminis­ units, the unit/units> concerned shall tration, the Chief Commissioner, not be entitled to any assistance un­ Chandigarh ordered an enquiry into der the small scale industries pro­ the charges against the Director, El- gramme of Government. The Dir­ ectronoics Testing and Development ector of Industries, therefore, do not Centre on 21-6-1977 and appointed make available facilities to units dir­ Director, Technical Education, Chan­ ectly or indirectly set up by large digarh as the Inquiry Office^. The scale units. If it is brought to the Inquiry Officer has asked the com­ notice of the Government, that in de­ plaints to adduce evidence in sup­ fault of these instructions, small scale port of the allegations. He will also 'units are directly or indirectly set up look into the relevant records. by large units, facilities admissible to the small scale units will be denied (c) Yea, Sir. to them. The Government have no Information of the number of units (d) Pending enquiry against the set tip in default of the instructions Director, Electronics Testing and Issued. Development Centre, Chandigarh, the 179 Writ ten Answers APRIL 26, 1878 * Written Answers xSo

    Managing Director of the Small In­ , Investigation against Chief Minister dustries Development Corporation has of Karaatslra been directed to take special interest In the affairs of the Centre. The in­ 8261. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Will terests of the workers are being ful­ the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be- ly safeguarded. The Inquiry Officer pleased to state whether the CEief has been asked to complete the en­ Minister of Karnataka cannot be pro­ quiry expeditiously. It is expected secuted and the CBI cannot investi­ that the enquiry will be complted gate unless the State Cabinet gives its shortly. sanction?

    Subsidy for setting up Industrial THE MINISTER OF STATE IN' Units in Jhalawar (Rajasthan) THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRI S. D. PATIL): The 8260. SHRI' CHATURBHUJ: Government of Karnataka, by it* notification dated the 3rd April, 1978 SHRI RAM KANWAR withdrew the consent given by it BERWA: earlier under section 6 of the Delhi Special Police Establishment Act, Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 1946, by which the Special Police pleased *° state: Establishment was enabled to ex­ ercise powers and jurisdiction in the (a) the details of subsidies for state of Karnataka. The legal im­ setting up industrial units in the back­ plications of this notification are un­ ward district of Jhalawar (Rajas­ der study. Pending such study, the than); and S.P.E. is not proceeding further with the investigation of cases, in the State (b) the names of the parties or of Karnataka, including the case re­ firms who have availed of this assist­ gistered against Shri D. Devraj Urs ance in the district? and others. The question of san­ ction for prosecution will arise only THE MINISTER OF STATE IN after the investigations are complet­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY ed in the light of the results there— (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) of. In pursuance of the decisions of the National Development Council Com­ mittee of State Chief Ministers, the Filling up posts of S.C. ft S.T. Planning Commission have declared 247 districts in the country as in­ dustrially backward for the purpose 8262. SHRI R. N. RAKESH; Will of concessional finance facilities. the Minister of ENERGY be pleased Jhalawar District qualifies for this to state: facility. This Scheme is operated by Department of Banking. Out of these (a) total number of posts filled in 247 districts, the Planning Commis­ each category of posts with specific sion have further selected l&l dis­ shares of S.C. and S.T. in such em­ tricts/areas to qualify for Central In­ ployment in the Ministry and in vestment Subsidy Scheme. Jhalawar attached and subordinate offices and District does not qualify for this also the number of posts de-reserved Scheme. The Scheme of Central In­ in each category since March, 1977 vestment Subsidy is operated by this and reasons thereof; and Ministry through the Directors of Industries of various States/Union (J>) total number of departmentaT Territories. promotions/up gradation of posts fen each category at posts and how mawar

    W MINISTER OF ENERGY undertaking, which fe declared as (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) a Relief Undertaking by the State and (b). The information is being Government concerned, are frozen, collected and will be laid on the Table for a specified period. of the House. 4. The Central Government have also amended the Income-Tax Act,. Revitalisation of Sick Units 1961 by providing tax concessions as incentives for merger of sick with healthy ones. 8264. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 5. The question of evolving an pleased to state the steps taken or appropriate institutional mechanism proposed to be taken to revitalise for detecting sickness at the incipient such marginal and sick industrial stage would be a relevant factor in units? the formulation of a comprehensive policy of industrial sickness, which is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN under Government’s consideration. THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): The following are some of the important fcstf* ftnjar steps which are taken to revitalise qT 1ST* 1ST w h iO sick industrial units.

    2. The Industrial Reconstruction 8265. wrrro « im : w r Corporation of India Limited, has «js irtfY jt? sr?rr% f t : been established to give financial as­ sistance to sick industrial units for (V ) *T!T flft *«ff Sf fr o s the purpose of their revival. Other srcnr *np*TR sR fft «rr public finaancial institutions such as IFCI, ICICI etc. also help the sick in­ dustrial units by giving financial as­ % Trt Jr jttt sistance and by re-scheduling pay­ *f*rr | ments due to them from sick indust­ rial units wherever considered ne­ cessary. (sr) ^qnrtfer $ § 3. The Central Government can snhnftrff wr take over the management of an in­ f arrant % qnhifeff «f> fMrfirer dustrial undertaking under the In­ % ftrJr wr | ? dustries (Development & Regulation) Act, if it is satisfied that the indus­ 11^ Tfw »nft (aft trial undertaking is being managed in a manner detrimental to the in­ »iiw) : (v) (m ). d u s t r y and the public interest. It fawft (W^9T JWT*r ^ ST^BT can also freeze the pre-take over liabilities of sick units, whose mana­ gement has been taken over under t k 473 snNhfV vnt the Industries (Development & Re­ * r ^ fi 1 wwttV % «wr gulation) Act wherever considered necessary. Some of the State Govern­ * iFprrc st «rf w*rmrr ments, viz, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Maharashtra etc. have enacted the Relief Undertaking Acts, undpr t o which the liabilities of an industrial fa* fv*rt ^TT?rr f , Written Answers 183 APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answers 184

    t t w f, *sra ftr Supply of Coal to Fertiliser Hams ^fV flmrnr jfV #»r *\x «r

    (c) No reservation of jobs for lo­ (c) the number and names of such cal residents has been made by any members on the Advisory Body/bodies State. However, certain executive as are actual farmers since inception restrictions have been issued by some of the programme? State Governments regarding Regis­ tration of non-local candidates in THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION the Employment Exchanges. AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. ADVANI): (a) The region covered by Delhi Doordarshan Kendra includes Political views of Foreign Countries Delhi and Parts of the following dis­ advertised in Indian Newspapers tricts, viz., Rohtak, , Buland- shar, Meerut, Dehradun, Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Bijnor, Garhwal, Am* 8269. SHRI D B. CHANDRE bala, , Tahri Garhwal, Morada- GOWDA: Will the Minister of IN­ bad and also fringe reception in FORMATION AND BROADCASTING parts of Himachal Pradesh. (Hima­ be pleased to state: chal Pradesh is not in tne orimary service area of Delhi Doordarshan (a) whether it has been brought to Kendra). the notice of Government that certain foreign countries are heavily adver­ (b) The names and particulars of tising their political opinions in Indian thV members of the present Subject newspapers; Committee region-wise are as under:— Delhi (b) whether the advertisement re­ venue forms a major source of income 1. Shri Virendra Prakash, Deve­ for such newspapers; and lopment commissioner, Delhi Administration, Delhi. (c) if so, the reaction of Govern­ Himachal Pradesh ment thereto and steps taken to see 1. Shri G. S. Chamyal, Director of that the Indian newspapers are not Agriculture, Himachal Pradesh, subsidised by foreign countries? Simla.

    THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ Uttar Pradesh TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI 1. Dr. D. P. Singh, Vice-Chancel­ L. K. ADVANI): (a) to

    A m ie a U iv d of other iMtUatlowi THE MINISTIift OF STAT* IN THE MINISTRt OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- (i) I.C.A.R. MATi ABHA MAITI); (a) No, Sir. 1. Dr. S. K. Sharma, Assistant Director General, Krishi Bha- (b) Dfces not arise. van, New Delhi. 2. Dr. V. D. Mudgil, Nutrition Divi­ Production Capacity of B.E.L. sion, N.D.R.I. (I.C.A.R.), Kar- 8272. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Will nal, the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased *h) LAJSJ. to state: 1. Dr. K. N. Singh, Head of the (a) whether it is a fact that the Extension Division I.A.R.I., State-owned Bharat Electronics Pusa Institute, New Delhi. Limited proposes to enhance its equip­ 2. Shri R. K. Chhiber, Agricultural ment production capacity; Scientist. Chemistry Division, I.A.R.I., Pusa Institute, New (b) if so, what is the present capa­ Delhi. city and to what extent it is being plan­ ned to enhance and how much time it *(iii) Indian Space Research Orranisa- will take to complete it and how much tion amount has been earmarked for this 1. Shri D. K. Chaturvedl. Deputy purpose; Project Manager, I.S.R.O., Ahmedabad. (c) whether it is als0 a fact that Defence Ministry is also demanding Civ) All mdla Radio the BEL to fulfil its requirements; and

    1. Dr. A. W. Khan, Director, F a r m (d) what are the details regarding and Home, A.I.R., New Delhi. the items in which Defence Ministry has become self reliant in respect of whether it is a fact that a radi­ Bharat Electronics. cally new substitute for port land cement has been developed which is (c> This Unit has been get up essen­ expected to have considerable signi- t ia lly to meet the requirements of f*te Ucance on Ihe cement industry as well Defence Services. as on rural based industries in gene­ ral; and (d) The Defence Production Uhfts have achieved self-reliance hi varyteg tb) if so, the detail, thereof? and to a progressively larger extent, tfp Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, I960 (SAKA) Written Answers 190 almost In tta« entire range of require­ Demand of WMst Watches ments of our Armed Forces—including modem combat aircraft; warships, 8274. SHRI SARAT KAR; WiU the tanks and other vehicles; sophisticated Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to radar and communications and gun Main control equipment; field, mountain, anti-aircraft, anti-tank and other guns; (a) the total demand for wrist missiles; rockets and propellants; che­ watches in the country; micals and explosives; small arms; and practically the whole range of ammu­ (b) the names of the popular wrist nition for the three Services. watches which have got great demand and the extent to which the demand Is being met by the indigenous produc­ Into Death of Dr. Sityattt* tion; and Makherjee a** Pt. Dteendayal Upadhyaya (c) when the demand for watcher is likely to be fully met? £273. SHRI NIRMAL CHANDRA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THU JAIN: MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI­ SHRI ISHWAR CHAU- MATI ABHA MAITI): (a). It has DHRY: been estimated that the current de­ mand for wrist watches would be befr SHRI MAHADEEPAK ween 4 and 5 million Nos. per annum SINGH SHAKYA; which may increase to 8 to 10 million Nos in the coming years. Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS be pleased to state: (b) Government have not made (a) whether Sheikh Abdullah said specific study to find out the names of in Calcutta on 11th February, 1978 watches which are In great demand that he would welcome an inquiry In­ in the country. However, watches to the death of Dr. Shyama Prasad manufactured by M/s. H.M.T., Banga­ Mukherjee under detention; lore are quite popular with the con­ sumers. Besides, the watches manu­ (b) whether Government propose to factured by other indigenous manu­ institute a high power enguity into the facturers are also gaining popularity matter; with the consumers. During 1977. the (C) whether Government also con­ local demand for wrist watches was template instituting an inquiry into met to the extent of around 8 million the mysterious death of Pt. Deen- watches from the indigenous watch dayal Upadhyaya; and units. (d) if not. the reasons thereof? (c). It is expected that with the im­ plementation of expansion programme THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of M/s. H.M.T., Bangalore as also with MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS the coming up of a number of watch (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a). units in the private organised and According to the State Government, small scale sectors, the indigenous “the Chief Minister of Jammu and demand of watches would be substan­ Kashmir did not make any such state­ tially met. ment in Calcutta. . have been nominated to the selection The Government of Rajasthan have and other committees of the C.S.I.R. made a general suggestion to the effect for more than three terms; that some Central Public Sector Pro­ ject may be set up in that State. The (b) the number of persons ffcofct Government have also urged that one Orissa Pradesh who have been of the units proposed to be set up by appointed to various Committees of the Indian Telephone Industries Limit­ the CSIR; ed may be located in Rajasthan. Deci­ sions on the location of Central Indus­ (c) the names of such States where trial Public Sector Projects are based no person has been appointed to such on techno-economic considerations. Committees; and The points made by the Rajasthan Government will also be kept in view (d) the criteria adopted by Govern­ while taking a decision in the matter ment in this regard? of setting up the new ITI project. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) In CSIR, the Selection Committees are constituted Revenue earned by A.I.R. through* for specific one-time purpose. From Commercial Adverttattumts available information, five persons have been members for more than 8277. SHRI S. S. SOMANI: three terms on other Committees of the headquarters. SHRI RAMDEO SINGH: (b) Four. Will the Minister of INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING be* (c) U) Himachal Pradesh; (u) Tri­ pleased to state* pura; (iii) Meghalaya; (iv) Nagaland; (V) Mizoram; (vi) (a) the total revenue earned in the and (vu) Sikkim. last three years i.e, 1974-75, 1975-76 and 1976-77 by the Commercial Broad­ (d) Experts are nominated on the casting Division of the AH India basis of their expertise In relevant Radio through advertisements collect­ disciplines. ed through the Advertising Agencies; and Setting up industries In (b) amount of commission allowed to the Agencies year-wise and agency* 8276 SHRI S. S. SOMANI: Will the wise? Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI I* K (a) whether it is a fact that State ADVANI): (a) information is giver Government of Rajasthan has ap­ below: proached the Central Government for the netting up of some more industries Year Gross Revenue- in that State; and 1974-75 Rs. 5,27,23,456 (b) if so. the details regarding re­ 1975-76 Rs. 6,11,52.938 quest of Rajasthan Government and the reaction of Central Government 1976-77 Rs. 6.4026,982 thereon? (b) As the information relating tc THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE individual agencies is confidential and MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- cannot he disclosed, the total amounl 193 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (5AJFCA) Written Answers of commission to agencies is given factors, including, inter alia avail­ below: ability of resources. Due to financial constraints and Year Total amount of other priorities, the Central Govern* commission paid ment are unable to declare any new road as a National Highway. Rs. 78,14,929 1974-75 States’ Comments on Sixth Plan 1975-76 Rs. 90,00.940 8279 PROF P. G. MAVALANKAR. 1976-77 Rs. 95,15,663 Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased fo state. (a) whether one or more State Gov­ Target Fixed for National Highways ernments have officially communicat­ for Gujarat ed to the Centre their responses to the Draft Sixth Five Year Plan; • 8278 PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Will the Minister of SHIPPING ^ND (b) if no, broad outlines thereto, TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (c) whether the Government have accepted the suggestions, etc of the (a) whether it is a fact that Gujarat State Governments; is lagging behind by almost 60 per cent in the matter of reaching the (d) if so, main Indication thereof; minimum target fixed for 1961—1981 and period; (e) if not, why not? (b) if so, whether Central Gov­ THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI ernment are soon declaring some of MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (e). The the major and trunk routes as Na­ Chief Ministers stated their views on tional Highways; the Draft Plan 1978—83 at the recent meeting of the National Development (c) if so, how and when; and Council Further detailed discussions on projects and programmes m the (d) if not, why not? State Plars will be undertaken shortlv. after Draft Five Year Plans have been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN­ prepared by the States. The views CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF expressed by the Chief Ministers will SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI naturally be taken into account by the CHAND RAM): (a) to (d). Pre­ Planning Commission in finalising the sumably, 1961—81 target referred in Plan the question relate to the 20-Year Plan suggested in the Report of Chief Engi­ neers on Road Development Plan for Programmes Arranged by AJJR. in India (1961—81). Apart from the fact Connection with Completion n» that the Government of India are not 50 Years of Functioning committed to the aforesaid plan sug­ gested by the Chief Engineers, that 8280. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR. plan did not lay down any targets foi Will the Minister of INFORMATION any individual State, including Guja­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased to rat. separately. It only indicated tar­ state: gets for the country as a whole. Even viewing the recommendations contain­ (a) whether it is a feet that All ed in that report in totality, their India Radio recently completed the implementation depends on .several first fifty years of its functioning; 736 LS—7. 195 Written An*u,trs APRIL 26, 1978 Written Answers 196

    (b) if so, whether any special prog­ Number of Accident* aai Incidents in rammes and features were arranged Air Force Plane* and broadcast respectively in this connection; and 8282 SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be (c) if so, broad details thereto? pleased to state:

    THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION (a) the number of accidents and AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K incidents in which Air Force planes ADVANI) (a) Organised broadcas of all types were involved during the ting was started m India by a Private period 1st January, 1977 to 3l8t De­ Limited Company in 1927 Fifty cember, 1977; years of broadcaswting m India was celebrated at the following places as (b) the types of planes involved; under — and (1) Bombay 23-7-1977 (c) in how many incidents and (2) Calcutta 26-8-1977 accidents pilots toiled out? * (3) Madras 8-1-1978 (4) Delhi 30-3-1978 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM), (a) to All India Radio has not completed (c). The number of accidents pei first fifty years of its broadcasting as ten thousand hours of flying during it came into existence only in 1937. the period 1st January 1977 to 31st December, 1977 is 2,85, involving diffe­ (b) Special programmes and fea­ rent types of aircrafts in use It will tures were arranged and broadcast in not be m the public interest to indi­ this connection cate more details. (c) Details are given m the statp ment laid on the Table of the House. (Placed in Library See No. LT-2196/ jwn*r wrofam if airfare 78).

    Equalisation of Pay Scales of Military 8 2 8 .* 0 ifwrara w i t : w Officers with I.A.S. wsnrc ftt ^ far * 8281 SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be (n) srarrr % w rfs n r *r s?r pleased to state: (a) whether he has a plan to equa­ *T5PT ®T5Fr *TWT P+iVt'ft lise the pay-scaleB of Military Officers with the I.A.S. Officers plus allow­ I ; ances; and («r) ^ aiyfimlf *rft: (b) if so, the details thereof? ^ firarft t ; THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE %*rrot Tr *rn? % (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) (a) and (b). The pay-scales of officers of the ^rmrr w fc r ftarr *rr rgr $ ; Armed Forces are revised from time to time on their own merits, keeping (»r) f ^ r in view the recommendations of the s - m f $r*m f Pay Commission There is no pro­ tft posal for any change at present. w r vrut 1 97 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (S-AKA) Written Answers 298

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    (b) if so, the details thereof; 1977-78 was Rs. 10.45,000/-. The actual amount spent has not yet bee? com­ (c) the area proposed to be cover­ piled and it will he laid on the Table ed by the above transmitter; and of the House as soon as ready. (d) date by which transmitter is (b) The average duration of proposed to be set UP? broadcasting per day in the home and external services (excluding the com­ THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ mercial service) during 1977 worked TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI out to as follows:— L. K. ADVANI): (a) Yes. Sir. (1) Entertainment 443 hrs. 44 mts. (b) The transmitter will be of 10 kw power. It will relay programmes (ii) Information 468 hrs. 57 mts. of the Jullundur TV centre, when (iii) Inormation-cum-entertain commissioned, off-air. The project is estimated to cost Rs. 130 lakhs. ment 110 hrs. 57 mts. (c) Kasauli transmitter is expected (c) All India Radio already broad­ to cover an area of 13,600 Sq. Kms. casts such programmes by way of (excluding overlap from Mussoorie News news commentaries and talks and Jullundur) in the plains of Pun­ and discussions, and special program­ jab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh mes for farmers, youths, students, in­ In addition, this transmitter will also dustrial workers, women and children provide coverage to certain hilly and on science. areas in Himachal Pradesh, the extent of which can be ascertained only by Special programmes are also broad­ means of a field strength survey after cast on subjects like prohibition, the transmitter lias been commission­ eradication of untouchability, family ed. welfare, etc. (d) By 1980-81. Expansion of installed capacity of Amount spent by AJ.R. on Audience Birla Group Research 8287. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: 8286. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Wffl the Minister of INFORMATION pleased to state: AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: (a) the details of scheme of expan­ sion of installed capacity of Birla (a) the total amount spent by A.LR. group of industries submitted to the on audience research throughout the Government; country during this year; (b) the schemes which have been (b) the duration of broadcasting for approved; and entertainment and information res­ (c) the schemes which have not pectively, each day; and ( been approved with reasons for re­ (c) the steps taken or proposed to jection? be taken to organise programmes to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE inspire and instruct listeners? MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI­ THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION MATI ABHA MAITI): (a) to (c). 8 AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. licensing applications for effecting ADVANI): (a) The final grant on substantial expansion were received Audience Research by All India Radio from industries controlled by Birla throughout the country for the year Group of Industries during the period 201 Written Answer* VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 202

    1-1-1977 to 31-3-1078. Of these 2 w W fiftir &wt wftwnO m t cases were approved, 2 rejected and 1 otherwise dispose of. 3 applications nwit wfaw ft % * wfflwfn «g : the Parliament Library.

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    8 2 9 1 . TW f* n ft : WT («r) »rar ?#V*r w t vV fsnfa-irpr «j5 *rcft *r$ araT% iutt 5^nrr ^ 5r *rp*r» vlr «rk f a : (»r) im sr sttt fa^r ?nw wr (*») TOT ^Tt*T? 5PI TOP? % HHT *rnrr?r fam *nrr ’rftr ^ « r fa?r*rr fll«W *TPT f%T aftT PT% % f^TT *T*FTT TTTT WT Fuakka ??£V fr ? 829S SHRI MUKUNDA MANDAL: Will the Minister of ENERGY be ij5»twm«r it tiwt «fafV («ft srfro pleased to state* urn »nm) : (* ) % («r). j $ f***r (a) whether the Chief Minister of ** g v fcfi? *nsnrr % s*r*r % iruft $ 1 West Bengal Government had, maaet 205 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 206

    time ago, addressed a letter to him THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE with the request to sanction the Super MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- Thermal Power Station at Parakka of MATI ABHA MAITI): (a) Govern­ 1200 M.W. capacity; ment is keen that maximum number of Mini Cement Plants are set up in (b) if so, what are the facts there­ of; and the country not only to augment ce­ ment capacity but also to serve back­ (c) what action, if any, has been ward and remote areas. Government taken on the said representation? has welcomed setting up of mini ce­ ment plants in the private sector, joint sector as well as by local bodies. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) to (c). (b) and (d). Government has set The Chief Minister of West Bengal up Committees to examine and recom­ Government in his letter had asked mend the technology as well as in­ for immediate sanction of Farakka centives for setting up Mini cement Super Thermal Power Project with a plants. capacity of 12 M.W. The feasibility report for the Farakka Supper Ther­ (c) This would demand on the finan­ mal Power Project has been prepared cial status of the local bodies and the capacity of the plant they contemp­ by National Thermal Power Corpora­ tion and subnutted to the Central late to set up. Electricity Authority for techno-eco­ nomic approval. The Central Electri­ city Authority have to apraise the project to ensure that all inputs have National Highways No*. 11 and 47 been properly linked and the techno- economic justification for the project 8295. SHRI GEORGE MATHEW: keeping in view that it fits into the Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND overall regional programme for power TRANSPORT be pleased to state: development. (a) whether Central Government are willing to treat the two National Highways, entering the State of Setting up of mini cdmeni plant by Kerala, namely NH 17 and NH 47, as local bodies separate entities, till they reach the State Capital in the South Trivan­ 8294. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the drum; and Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) if so, whether State Govern­ (a) whether he has advocated the ment’s suggestion to reroute NH 47 starting of mini cement plants by (from Angamally, via Muvattupuzha, local bodies; Kottayama, Kottarakara, Trivandrum is proposed to be finalised? (b) if so, whether there is neces­ sity of know-how for setting up mini THE MINISTER OF STATE IN cement plants; CHARGE OP THE MINISTRY OP SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI (c) whether he considers the local CHAND RAM): (a) and (b). At pre­ bodies could raise the necessary sent N.H. 47 starts from Salem and finances; and after passing through Coimbatore, Tri- chur, Edapally, Cochin, AUeppey, (d) whether Government have eon* Quilon, Trivandrum terminates at eluded any techno-economic survey Kanyakumari. N.H. 17 starts from for setting up mini cement plants? Panvel in Maharashtra and after pas- 307 Written Answers APRIL 26, J978 Written Answers

    Bing through Maharashtra, Goa, Kar­ fore, even if enactment of legislation nataka terminates at Edapally on N.H. may be possible, there might be no 47. special advantage in having such a legislation for this purpose. The pre­ The State Government’s proposal sent arrangement of having rules and amounts to the declaration of Anga- regulations relating to reservations and anally-Muvattupuzha-Kottayama-Kottar- concessions for Scheduled Castes and kara-Tnvandrum road as a National Scheduled Tribes issued through execu­ Highway Due to financial constraints tive instructions has been found to and other priorities, Government are work satisfactorily Non-observance unable to take over any road as a of instructions in question would be National Highway at present dealt with by the appropriate authori­ ties suitably and Ministries have peen , asked to ensure that cases of non Officers dealing with Reservations observance whenever brought to notice are viewed seriously and dealt with 8296. SHRI R. L. KUREEL: Will the promptly. Also, there would be practi­ Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas­ cal administrative difficulties m the ed to state; administration of any such legislation. (a) whether Government propose to bring a Legislation in Parliament Reservations in posts filled by Depu­ during this Session itself to make tation/Transfers acts of omission and commission on the part of officers who are against 8297. SHRI R. L. KUREEL: Will the reservation for Scheduled Castes and Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Scheduled 'Tribes in services as pleased to state: punishable offence under a Statute; (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether it is a fact that there is no reservation quota for Scheduled (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Castes and Scheduled Tribes in posts filled by Deputation/transfers in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE various grades/services; and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (b) if so, the reasons thereof and (a) No, Sir. the steps Government have taken to make up the deficiency in the reser- 1 (b) Does not arise. vation of Scheduled Castes and Sche­ duled Tribes in such grades/services? (c) Reservations and concessions for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Tribes in the services under Govern­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ment/public undertakings etc. have (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): been made through executive instruc­ (a) and (b). The scheme of reserva­ tions issued in pursuance of the pro­ tion for Scheduled Castes and Schedul­ visions of Articles 16(4) read with ed Tribes is not applicable to posts Article 335 of the Constitution and filled by deputation or transfer, as due they have as much force as law. These to the very nature of such posts filled instructions are required to be com­ by deputation or transfer, selection for pulsorily followed by all the appoint­ them has to be made of the best ing authorities. The reservations and amongst the suitable candidates, who concessions provided through execu­ fulfil the specified needs of the posts tive instructions have the advantage in regard to qualifications, experience of flexibility as they can be extended, etc. Further, posts filled by deputation modified or amended whenever neces­ are also usually filled only for fixed sary, to suit the changing needs. There­ periods at a time, in the resultant 309 Written Answers VAISAKHA 8, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 210 vacancies, however, which are normally ernment will be realised from filled by direct recruitment or promo­ imprudent officers or what action will tion, the scheme of reservation ap­ be taken against them? plies. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Instructions, however, already exist THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY providing that the cases of eligible (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a' employees belonging to Scheduled Scooters India Ltd., Sarojini Nasfar Castes and scheduled Tribes should be Lucknow have no account whatsoever duly considered along with others lor with Vijaya Bank. In the Indian being sponsored for vacancies fillod Overseas Bank they have one Cash by deputation. Recently, further in­ Credit Account and a Current Account structions have also been issued to the The Current Account is exclusively effect that where the number of ap­ maintained for salary purposes where pointments to be made on the basis deposits are made to pay salary and of deputation is fairly substantial in wages to workers and staff. In the any Ministry/Office, the appointing Cash Credit Account, there was a debit authority should endeavour to see that balance of Rs. 94.44 lakhs as on 31-3 78. a fair proportion of such posts are Scooters India Ltd. have a separate filled by employees belonging to Savings Bank Account with Indian Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Trioes Overseas Bank for Provident Fund subject of course to the availability in Trust Deposit PF accumulation. Fiom the feeder cadres of qualified persons this Account, investments are made belonging to these communities. according to Government of India re­ gulations. These funds are not avail­ Deposits In Banks by Scooters India able for the Company's operations. Ltd., Sarojlni Nagar, Lucknow (b> There is no deposit kept by 8298. SHRI R. L. KUREEL: Will the Scooters India Limited in any of the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to private banks. state: (a) whether Scooters India Ltd., (c) to ,(e). Do not arise. jSorojini Nagar, 'Lucknow have deposited crores of rupees in the i iiw w if fftife mramf w w current Account in Vijaya Bank and TiwMftn Overseas Bank, Lucknow it obtained money on interest

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    (* ) sro $ ^sm 1 8302 SHRI K LAKKAPPA WiU the Minister of SHIPPING AND (»r) («r). HT^’Thr TRANSPORT be pleased to state. fr^fsTR s^ tpt ^ TnsnPTR *r fhnfr?r (a) whether Government have TO^TT TT W S T * ft*TT «TT fWT *TCn»T, received the verification report of the iTPTnrry wer, ( f ^ vter) % membership of port workers of the different registered trade unions as on ?*T5T ?T*TO ^ I 31st December, 1976 and the factions of the Paradip Port workers’ Union operating under the Paradip Port Trust, HWPlt T TO W T * 100 (b) if so, the number of verified fn A wjnfif *r i*ii members from amongst the port workers in the different registered trade unions and factions of Paradip Port workers union operating under 8301. «* «gtfw : tot

    THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) According to the verification re­ CHARGE OF THE MINISTRY OF port received from the Ministry of Labour, the number of verified mem­ SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI bership amongst the port workers in CHAND RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. Paradip Port are as follows:

    S. No. Name of the Union Verified Mrmbenhip of the Union amongst Port employees

    1. (i) Paradip Port WorJcns’ Union (group of Shri Nishamani Khuntia) 1508

    (ii) Paradip Port Workers’ Union (group of Shri Pradyumna Bal) ...... 510

    s. Paradip Poit Shramik S a n g h ...... 280

    3. Paradip Shramik Congress ...... 170

    4. Paradip Port Ministerial Employees Association Full records not produced.

    T o t a l . 9488

    But this verification has been disputed by 13 Members of Parliament from Orissa.

    (c) As 12 Members of Parliament (b) if so, Government's reaction from Orissa have made representations thereto? stating that the verification has not been done properly, the entire question THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE is, therefore, being further examined (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) and before labour trustees are appointed (b). There is a temple of Hanumanji en the Port Trust Board. in Dadwada area in Kota (Rajasthan), which was constructed on Defence land. However, it is not a fact that access to the temple has been closed H a w n m n i» Temple In Dadwada because of some new construction on the adjoining land, nor have any re­ presentations been received from the local population in this regard. 8808. SHRI LAUI BHAI; Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: Setting op of Sangeet Academy Studio for AXR. and T.V. in Gwalior (a) whether there is an ancient 8304. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- Hanuman temple in Dadwada area in DIA: WU1 the Minister of INFORMA­ Kota (Rajasthan) where hundreds of TION AND BROADCASTING be devotees go daily lor ‘darshan’ but pleased to state: the Defence Ministry has acquired the nearby land and dosed the way (a) whether Government are con­ to the temple as a result of which sidering for setting up Sangeet Aca­ there is great resentment among the demy Studio for Radio and T.V. fSm- people; and tre at Gwalior in very near future; Written Answers APRIL 26, 1078 Written Answers 216

    (b) if so, details thereof; (c) reaction of Government there­ to? (c) whether he has received repre­ sentation to this effect from promi­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN nent citizens of the city and State of THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY Madhya Pradesh; and (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) to (c). The reference in part (a) of the (d) if so, his reaction in this re­ Question is presumably to a letter of gard? 10th January, 1978 circulated by M/s. Hegde & Golay Ltd., Bangalore THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ to the President of and TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI others. In this letter, the Chairman L. K. ADVANI): (a) tc (d). Repre­ of this company has inter-a.Ua ex­ sentations have been received for pressed certain views on the develop­ setting up studios for A.IR. and a ment of horological engineering in the T.V. Centre at Gwalior. There was small scale sector. Briefly, he has also one for setting tip a Sangeet suggested that import of parts like Academy. cases, dials etc. and complete watches A scheme for setting up studios for may be banned, a Cell may be set A.I.R. Gwalior is presently under im­ up in the Directorate of Anti-Smuggl­ plementation. The studios are expect­ ing to inspect watch dealers so as to ed to be ready by 1980 when the act as a deterrent to smugglers, a Gwalior station will become a full- team of experts should undertake a fledged programme originating station. review of the policy with regard to import and manufacture of watches There is no proposal to set up a in the country, import of complete T.V. centre at Gwalior due to cons­ watches, if considered necessary, traint on resources. Nor is there any should be on Government account and proposal to set up a Sangeet Academy with Government label and trade­ at Gwalior. However, the Sangeet mark and that the profits so earned Natak Academy have recently consi­ and custom duties so collected should dered a proposal to set up a School be utilised as subsidiary on interest of Hindustani Music at Gwalior and on investments by the small scale are of the view that it would be more sector during gestation period. appropriate if such a School is esta­ blished and administered by the State Government have examined these Government. suggestions but do not consider them to be in tune with the twin objectives of the Government to curb unautho­ rised imports of watches through Setting up of a Watch Factory by smuggling and to increase indigenous la0o.Swi«i Joint Enterprise availability of watches. 8305. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- Setting op o f District Planning Body DIA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: 8906. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCXN- DIA: Will the Minister of PLANNING (a) whether it is a fact that Hegde be pleased to state: and Golay Limited, an Indo-Swiss (a) in order to play the role of Joint Enterprise have outlined a five true representative of the people, point programme to establish watch whether Government propose to con­ industry in small scale sector and sider the proposal to set up District submitted the same to the Govern­ Level Planning Body to be headed by ment for grant of licence; the Member of Parliament elected from the particular district in the (b> if so, details thereof; and country; 217 Written Answer* VAISAKHA 8, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers ai8

    (b) it so, whether Government (*r) w t tt propose to consult the State Govern­ ments in this regard; faTTTT T lf «PT ^ fsrarSr spto iftortfW «ft (c) whether Government will also consider for creation of District Level vnrh=nr 3# % ?r, fsra-Sr Planning Councils corresponding with t o t ^t t ; the number of Members of Lok Sabha to give the gandhian way of peoples participation in day-to-day Planning («r) WOT fy g rr WX*FTX ?T t n *TPT% and Administrative set up at district level; and *r frim wr*rr ?r tpfx'm |f^m *ttx q f?1 §T, iff ^T'fT atq^TT «RT | ? (d) if so, the reaction of Govern­ ment in the matter? THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI v a r m v i f xm MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (d). The wwt w m i) : (?f) (* ). irtirtftn> machinery for district-level planning, which exists in some States only, will be generally extended and strengthen­ ed throughout the country in the cur­ *r seAtt % rent plan period. Whether there smr ^rnTTi f*nrtft fr*r *nn % i should be advisory bodies at the dis­ trict-level to guide district planning, 3’*n»*T ^ W in*) %■ **T?r fT and if so. their composition, is for the fa-ofa qf*fwfiptf *f> w t * ir T«r?r State Governments to decide. 8ttt faan The need for representative or elec­ ted bodies at the district-level, and 3rr?TT ^ i rrspsp-^j v'rfswf their role in plan preparation and f^rfWw rnwrf ir | srfjpr g-jppr implementation, are likely to be con­ sidered in consultation with the Statfi ^fwr?r*r ^ jft «rrfr qr f'raT ^ i Governments after the receipt of the Report of the Committee under Shri frfSTfoCR, 1956 ^ wtffa- %?3fY=r STT*FK Ashoka Mehta on Panchayati Raj *r> 5RT xnhr qf^ftfrrw wrurfatfr Institutions. %

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    Investment Priorities for Sixth Plan 8309. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Will fjc^rT istwt Sr *ht OTct the Minister of PLANNING be pleas­ ed to state: 5m 1 1 (a) whether the Chief Minister of West Bengal submitted a note on the investment priorities for the Sixth Suspension of Political Pensions tat Plan in the meeting of the NDC held on the 18th and 19th March, 1978; West Bengal (b) if so, the essential features of 8308. SHRI CHITTA BASU: WU1 the same; and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) reaction of the Government thereto? (a) the number of recipients of the political pensions from the Central THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Government in West Bengal at pre­ MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). The sent; West Bengal Government did not submit any note to the National De­ (b) in how many cases, payment velopment Council about investment has been suspended and cancelled; priorities. and > (c) Does not arise. (c) whether such suspension and cancellation orders have been issued after due consultation with the State Exercise of Powers by S.P.E. in Government or the State level Com­ Andhra Pradesh mittee tor the purpose? 8310. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS pleased to state: (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) Freedom Fighters’ Pension has (a) whether it is a fact that the been sanctioned in 14,470 cases. Andhra Pradesh Government have very recently decided to withdraw the (b) Pension has been suspended in taonsent glVen to the special police 313 cases and cancelled in 54 cases. establishment (CBI) for the exercise of powers and jurisdiction in the (c) Pension is suspended either at State; and the instance of the State Government, or on receipt of complaints from other (b) if so, the steps taken by Gov­ sources that a freedom fighter is not ernment to meet the situation arising genuine and has been drawing pen­ out of it? sion fraudulently. In the latter type of cases the complaint is brought fb THE MINISTER OF STATE IN the notice of the State Government THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS for further enquiry and report. (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) The Cen­ tral Government has had no official Before a pension is finally cancell­ communication from the Government ed, the freedom fighter is given full of Andhra Pradesh of its having with­ opportunity to establish his bona fides, drawn the consent given by it earlier and any representation made bv him under the Delhi Special Police Esta­ is carefully examined in consultation blishment Act, 1946, by which the with the State Government. Special Police Establishment is en­ 221 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6. 1900 (SAKA) Written Answer* 2ZZ abled to exercise its powers and juris­ dictions in the State of Andhra Pra­ (i% m irf?ra ^ «nft m four desh. arrarfr) (10 Does not arise. VfERiTVr SfTPR- # V o tr^ T o |IR T m f^ R T t *r t imw fefeSv if fimft $3 w tm %C(x ^ % vwT frr tarf * fa* Z*IT ^-5wn fij mw av 3?$% W f vt tft* vrasRlf tftr afro* m m * 8 3 11. : % ^ v ^ ir & x tn q ^ p r WT WB^r *RrV 21 *TT#, 1978 £ * t #aff^5T JPTR' V T 3

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    fpwilUrSflFWI’•Nt ^ (v ) $r, ?r> 1977 t f w « i# ) : («f) aft, fr I ^oqrfo aftrfw qft #5^ tor-for mfNft vt WRo W fa irrf%?£*r Jjfanr vr q-sfVr<^r J? tfK ot* f*rr-wr fofa ft# *r^, Tf^R^R *TFB f» J|f?PRr, 3TTTT (*r) »t f^R - M vt *rrt, 1976 ^ w r t ^xfkmmrmt 'T^ft^Tt’T $ 5TT% % 3tf«Ft fkmfhrw «pt f w w |, *TF®RTT *ft ?^RT 7? fj> »T$ I ^PPT («r) jtt f?ror«r> % f w ^ ^ r ^, vnFrwwt *r *m > wTfs^t vtf f^rwr rr^ #• w r w S ? irmrcTT 5TM Jjf^raw ^ t I ny mrran ^ ?mr *ro>(«rt o ft* (*sr) w *rs«r 5r ^tt^r % «fr *rf ^rr grT 5u>tt fw^Txrr Jr sr?i^n wtt 11 ITRZRTT % f ^ T fsR TT f%H 5|*T^ % ^ft w r q r twt*wtf i [»s»raw# fcrq; an* rrqr t o grr T»T wn 1 «w r f t - 219 7/ 7 8j tfHVI|*H ^QjdT %■ WtPfa ^WRnfll *15 *5TTSrar ^ Trfw f^PRT*T ^t Hf*T- $ , m m * m % jt*t vt #5jp 1977 Jt ?Tift vt vr swft % f£t ftnrr SfTV^TT I jrftr m ^ f t qfqfirqt 29- 4- (*r ) v (fd w t q»t ^n r^ m ff 1978 Tt T^t I i vr ?nrrerR *>7% *ffV lr *nrt T»ke over of Fatka Hard Coke Bhatto srfbfaftr tpffi^rcpfrct ffw c St tRTtm in Nirsa, Dhanbad ^T% apT ih r r finrr w 11 8314 SHRI A K ROY Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state TTwnrr fw iw ^ i *firfw (a) whether the management of the 8313. wwrw i E CL has written to the Energy Ministry for taking over Selected w r 4 $ )

    (e) if so, the reason for delay in all such workers were considered at taking over and running the Bttatta? the time of nationalisation and a t review is called for Position in ree- THE MINISTER OF ENERGY pect of Madhuband and New Stand­ (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN). (a) ard Lodna Collieries will be ascer­ No, Sir. tained (b) and (c) The writ petition of the previous owners is pending be­ fore the Calcutta High Court, which had earlier issued an interim order Suwiy of Heavy Water by USSR restoring possession of the Coke plant to them. No communication was re­ 8816 SHRI RAJENDRA KUMAR ceived by the Government from the SHARMA Will the Minister of ATO­ owners but their solicitors had written MIC ENERGY be pleased to state to Eastern Coalfields Ltd enquiring whether they would be willing to (a) whether USSR ha& supplied the settle the matter It has. however, 2nd instalment of heavy water te been considered advisable to await India’s nuclear power plants; and the orders of the High Court (b) if so, the details of the agree­ ment? Absorption »f Miners with p. F. Account in Collieries of BCCL THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI 8315 SHRI A K ROY Will the MORARJI DESAI) (a) and (b) The Minister of ENERGY be pleased to USSR has contracted to supply 208 state tonnes ot heavy water of which SS tonnes were received in 1876 and an (a) whether Government had pro­ agreement has been reached for sup­ mised during the time of nationalisa­ ply of a second instalment of 70 ton­ tion of Cokmg and non-coking coal nes Out of this, a quantity of 16188 mines t0 accommodate all the work­ tonnes has already been received and men at the first lot having Provident the balance is expected to be receiv­ Fund Account; ed during April-May, 1978 The re­ maining quantity of 75 tonnes agauuft (b) whether despite the promise the original contract is also expected some miners with Provident Fund to be received during 1978 account have been left out, specially in Madhuband and New Standard Lodna Colliery (BCCL); and PoeUag a t 8eaior OAdaia (c) whether the Provident Fund record is more important than ttuit of the private employer; if so, reasons 8S17 SHRI NATWAR LAL B. therefor and whether Government PARMAR: would review the case of those miners with Provident Fund record but ua« SHRI HARI SHANKAR MAHAL*: absorbed in the BCCL? tHE MINISTER OF ENERGY Will the Minister of H O W (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) AFFAIRS be pleased to state to be) It *as decided to accommo­ date workers who **d been members (a) the number of Senior aSctab of the Coal Minis IVovident Fund as of All India and otter organised ad­ the record of the private employers vices who have been at the centre Hr were aot always reliable. Claims of n a n than five pears; and 3 *9 Written Answers VA1SAKHA 8, 1900 (SAKA) Matteft nnder JNI« VTt

    (b) how rainy of these have been (a) whether Government tore sent beck to the 8tet« Government taken any follow up action on A s recently. recommendations made by Start* Power Ministers and Chairman of the THE MINISTER OF STATS IN State Electricity Boards at the Com- THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ference held in January, 1971; ml# (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) As on 1st January. 1078 there were 57 offi­ (b) if so, the details thereof? cers belonging to AH India and other organised Services serving at the Cen­ tre at the level of Joint Secretary THE MINISTER OF ENERGY and above for more than five years. (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN); (a) Yes, Sir. (b) Orders for reversion to their respective cadres/states have been (b) Follow-up action has been Ini­ issued in respect of 27 officers. Of tiated on the various conclusions at these five have already handed over the Power Ministers' Conference and charge while 22 are to revert by 90th the recommendations of the Conference June, 1978. In addition, two other of Chairmen, State Electricity Boards. would retire by the end 0f July, 1978. Among other matters, the targets of thermal and hydro generation for the year 1978-79 have been finalised ami Miso* returning from China the State authorities have been add­ ressed on issues concerning them such 8318. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL RED­ as arrangements for high-level moni­ DY: Will the Minister of HOME AF­ toring of power programmes with a FAIRS be pleased to state; view to ensuring that prescribed Will the Minister of HOME commissioning targets are achieved. AFFAIRS be pleased to state: A Standing Committee of the Power (a) whether Government has seen Minister’s Conference has been tet the reports published in the local up to review, from time to time, the dailieg of the 9rd April, 1978 regard­ implementation of recommendation* ing the gang of Mizos who had crossed of the Conference of Chairman, State into China last year for training are Electricity Boards as well as the on their way back to Mizogram; and “action-points” of the Power Minis­ ters' Conference. (b) if so, the steps taken by Gov­ ernment to check their re-entry? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS IS 1*8. (SHRI DHANEK LAL MANDAL): MATTERS UNDER RULE 877 (a) The Government have seen such a report in the Press.

    (b) Strict vigil is being maintained (1) Rcromrm ntrraq* strata *r caaoat alonf the international border. woaxsas or L.I.C., Caucom N W Atm* ** nahwii el MR. SPEAKER: Now. calling mat- •Me M M r m m * * M i Chairman tan under Rule t77. Shri tffraaen. I* not here. Prof. Dili* Chakravarty. •Sli. SHUI M. RAM GOPAL RED- PROF. DIUP CHAKRAVART*: DY: «|le Minister of ENERGY (Calcutta South): Thank you. Tartar- b« pleaead to atets: day X wa* not permitted.... Matters. !tnfk-r.. VATS} ~3t iMa'iten 1inUe-T ;;~ffiE.nr ~ , 19'& RlIU'~, ~u

    sHRr IY0'1'IRMGY OOSl1~ Sir he premises' ·of the F.f-ind.uSfan-Buildmg, &~ey seized" 160~~~; ~a f'l:e~ e'annot-'sa,y ~n:.Ything {.jhich is no\ in lmni.-eaiate ~teps- -sh~ula;be t'ai!:~ to &lOn~ .Fas ~ '~~r~tetj_ Wj the- ~otfce ll~ven.. -.. _ ,- see that the problems of the casual ,&rams of Chai'as.~ltc~led,,::ollll - ~ ~~ __ AIR 13IHM.J)CAS' the workers and employees- are ready' t.NG: Tl~:KElJ:'J•.•ES.S' TR~VEL with the MaBagement, thel'e was a 1ro ~xte-nd cOQpe.r-atiu-hfor increasing- five-point agr.eetnent. one 6f tlie CONGRESS (1) WOR~ production. So' the Go-vernmeI\t sho.1J.ht 6,-4-78, points was to absorb the casual wOLk;.' imrn-etli-ately.come. fofw-arif and take' ezs ' graduaJ,]y. ::Tlqat has not been' Kalka 1 PROF, DILIP ~I:I.A~_~AVA.~TY: Sir, the trafficM.l}lZQ~ $.JTI;'1;!gglirrgof I know, found "to be 'tfavellin'g withe d,l'lJgs Iike -¥'~,¥li~, ~!lJ!~a.s._0p.iuJ)'l; etc. had declined, E!qI!si.AArap.-l~in:!. tpe> and -were _ca).lg,ht by the MR. SPEAKER: But you are not. last three years and we did not come' If a Proresso- can be like that. what 'authorities and fined Rs, 1 can: I dO.'];.-A Pr.ore-ssol' should set a'fi acr.qs~ I;eJ)_qJ't~of: large-scale. opera- It is most surprising that example tb: others, •. tions by.- ~~i

    they seized 160 Kgs; a foreign na­ Minister on the Floor of thl Rajyi tional was also arrested with 700 Sabha. Although the false propa­ grams of Charas concealed on his per­ son. These are instances of detected ganda was carried on by AIR fan cases; we do not know how many two to three days, it is surprising cases are going undetected. Govern­ that the matter has not been inves­ ment should not ignore them as tigated and those responsible for thfc isolated cases. There are profes­ irresponsible and mischievous release sional gangs behind these operations of news are not punished) I may and this also gives rise to the sus­ point out here that m similar easel* picion that the gangs enjoy the sup­ for a slight mistake of showing some port of officials at all levels in the item of an earlier time, persons have Customs, Police etc. Firstly, Govern­ been transferred and suspended. And ment should keep strict watch at here, when a deliberate proganganda production centres of such items; is being made, nothing is being done. secondly, there should be greater Such instances are becoming more vigilence at border check-posts to common and it is high time—I would prevent smuggling of the items into invite the attention of the Hon. the country from neighbouring coun­ Prime Minister, who has a great tries which is ultimately smuggled standard of moral upkeeping, and out through our international air­ would like to know whether he ap­ ports. Thirdly, I do not know what proves of this type of propaganda punishment the existing laws pres­ carried on through this media—It is cribe for such offenders, but strin­ high time that Government take gent action is necessary against them. I want Government to take note of serious note of such mischievous this. propaganda and guarded against the misuse of mass-media for character (iv) R eported AIR broadcasts alleg ­ assassination. ing TICKETLESS TRAVEL BY SOME Congress (I) workers o s 6-4-78. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): kil): May I seek a clarification re­ Recently AIR repeatedly went on garding the Privilege Motion that we have given notice of. broadcasting for three days an item that three Congress workers travel­ MR. SPEAKER: Unfortunately, ing in the compartment of Mrs. Indira Gandhi, President, Congress (I), on you were not here. You can come and meet me; it is not plosed. Your 8th April 1978 by Kalka Mail were found to be travelling without tickets other friends discussed the matter and were caught by the Railway with me. It is open for you to come. authorities and fined Rs. 100/- each. It is most surprising that the news SHRI VASANT SATHE: I hope released by the AIR was not only the Government will come up with false but mischievous and part of a a statement on the matter I have programme to denigrate Smt. Indira raised. Gandhi by gross misuse of mass media. The1 news was allowed to be MR SPEAKER: That is my broadcast even after a denial by the expectation. Bailway authorities and the Railway *as JtoMM Laid APRIL *6, » » ' P e j* « UM i t * * * delay in laying the papers mentioned at (l) above. (Placed

    ment Regulations, 1978,'published 12.89 lm. in Notification No. G.S.R. 462 in Gasette of India dated the 8th RE. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE April, 1978. MR. SPEAKER; I have to announce (v) The Indian Police Service in the House that the Calling Atten­ (Appointment by Competitive tion will be taken up at 3.45. The Examination) Amendment Re­ Minister has asked for some more In­ gulations, 1978, published in formation and he expects to get some Notification No. G.S.R. 453 in information on the subject. He want­ Gazette of India dated the 8th ed that the Calling Attention may be April, 1978. taken up at 3.45. (vi) The Indian Forest Service SHRI HARIKESH BAHADUR (Appointment by Competitive (Gorakhpur): I had given a notice Examination) Amendment Regu­ under Rule 377. lations, 1978, published in Notifi­ cation No. G.S.B. 454 in Ga2ette MR. SPEAKER: If it has not come of India dated the 8th April, 1978. up, it means it has not been selected. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 2184/78]. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- kil): When the Prime Minister was placing the Report before the House, Indian Electricity (A mdt.) R ules, the Hon. Speaker was kind enough to offer a discussion.... 1977 MR. SPEAKER: No, no. Let us try. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (Interruptions). THE MINISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRI SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: 1 am re­ FAZLUR RAHMAN): I beg to lay questing you again: last time I re­ on the Table a copy of the Indian quested you—because this is a very Electricity (Amendment) Rules, 1977 urgent matter which every section of (Hindi and English versions) publish­ the House is concerned about. ed in Notification No. G.S.R. 1723. in Gazette of India dated the 31st MR. SPEAKER- The Business Ad­ December, 1977, under sub-section visory Committee is meeting today. (3) of section 38 of the Indian Electricity Act, 1910. [Placed in SHRI SAUGATA ROY (Barrack- pore): Yesterday, as I told you. I gave Library. See No. LT-2185/78]. a notice on the question of breach of Notification under Central Excise privilege against the Finance Minister regarding the Banking Service Com­ R ules, 1944 mission. At the same time, I also gave a notice under Rule 377 to mention THE MINISTER OF STATE IN the matter of Banking Service Com­ THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI mission in the House. 1 came back ZULFIQUARULLAH): 1 beg to lay to the House . . . on the Table a copy of Notifications MR. SPEAKER: You are likely to No. 101/78-Centra] Excises (Hindi get your chance tomorrow. and English versions) published in Gazette of India dated the 26th April, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­ 1978, issued under the Central Excise mond Harbour); Sir, I have given a Boles, 1944, together with an ex­ notice on item No. 2 that it should planatory memorandum. [Placed to be discussed in the House as early aa library. S*e No. LT-2186/78]. possible, because this is very impor­ tant. The House is devoting a lot more time on issues which are of no 39 PUC Report APRIL 26, 1976..... PMB Comm. Report

    economic interest to the country. 1 COMMITTEE ON SUBORDINATE have been telling this from the be­ LEGISLATION ginning. Eighth R eport MR. SPEAKER; I think, you are a Member of the Business Advisory SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Committee. (Jadavpur): I beg tto present the Eighth Report of the Committee on SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am Subordinate Legislation. very much__ MR. SPEAKER: We have been mis­ sing you for some time; I have for­ gotten. COMMITTEE ON THE WELFARE OF SCHEDULED CASTES AND SCHE­ SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): DULED TRIBES Sir, I had given today a notice under Rule 377 to make a statement in the Nineteenth and Twentieth R eports House about the students of medical SHRI SURAJ BHAN (Ambala): I colleges who are on strike and are beg to present the following Reports in great distress, as you must have (English and Hindi versions) of ithe seen. Will you allow me at least to. Committee on the Welfare of Sche­ morrow? duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes:—* SHRI SAUGATA ROY: A caUing at­ (1) Nineteenth Report on the tention notice has also been given on Ministry of Information and Broad­ the same subject. casting—-Reservations for, and em­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: Either allow ployment of Scheduled Castes and us a calling attention for this. There Scheduled Tribes in the Films is need for more doctors in the coun­ Division. try, but they are being treated badly. (2) Twentieth Report on the MR. SPEAKER: I will consider this. Ministry of Information and Broad­ casting—Reservations for, and em­ 12.12 hrs. ployment of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in All India Radio. COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC UNDER­ TAKINGS

    Ninth R eport COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM­ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­ BERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS mond Harbour): I beg to present the Eighteenth R eport Ninth Report of the Committee on SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- Public Undertakings on Central In­ DER (Durgapur); I beg to presept the land Water Transport Corporation— Eighteenth Report of the Committee Mismanagement in Organization, Ad­ on Private Members' Bills and Resolu­ ministration and Financial Matters. tions. 241 VAISAKHA 8, 1S06 (SAKAY D.G. 1978-79 Mm. 34a of Home Affairs 12.14 hr* No, no; because it will be taken up in the Rajya Sabha. COAL MINES NATIONALIZATION LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL* SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN (Arkonam): THE MINISTER OF ENERGY Sir, nanrn of several Members were (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): I beg called yesterday and today and they to move lor leave to introduce a Bill were not present. Some of us have further to amend the Coking Coal given our names; we have been wait­ ing; we should get an opportunity 12 Mines (Nationalisation) Act, 1972, and there is time. the Coal Mines (Nationalisation) Act, 2973. MR. SPEAKER: Let us see. MR. SPEAKER: The question is: SHRI GOVINDAN NAIR: Yeur “That leave be granted to intro­ party has only six minutes more. duce a Bill further to amend the SHRI M. N. GOVINDAN NAIR Coking Coal Mines (Nationalisation) (Trivandrum): Mr. Speaker, Sir, once Act, 1972, and the Coal Mines again, we are discussing the working (Nationalisation) Act, 1973. of the Ministry of Home Affairs. Dar­ The motion was adopted. ing the last one year, several times, we had occasions to discuss the work­ SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN: I ing of this Ministry and from all that, introduce the Bill. it is clear that the Home Minister is not m any envious position. After the bitter experience of one year, I am 12.15 brs. fully convinced that any advice to the Ministry is futile. The President of DEMANDS FOR GRANTS. 1978-79— India had taken the extraordinary step contd. of appealing to the nation direct Ministry of Home A ffairs—C ontd. against the deterioration of the law and order situation in the country. Not MR. SPEAKER: The House will now only that, it is common knowledge take up further discussion and vot­ now that the Prime Minister of India ing on the Demands for Grants under has no confidence in the Home Minis­ the control of the Ministry of Home ter and even their private correspon­ Affairs. dence is public property now. Besides Shri Govindan Nair. that, Shri Nanaji Deshmukh, who is the real boss of the Janata Party has SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayankil): politely asked Shri Charan Singh and Sir, I want to make a submission. company to quit the office. In view Today, the discussion on the Home of this eloquent testimony by such Ministry has to be concluded. Many prominent persons, about the working hon. Members from both the sides want of the Home Ministry, I need not add to speak on this. 1 would request you anything more. to postpone the Calling Attention tomorrow. The other day, the Prime Minister, while answering the discussion on the MR. SPEAKER: Then, you lose one law and order situation in the coun­ tomorrow. try, appealed to the opposition parties SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: You may to cooperate in restoring normalcy in put it to the House, air. the country. I welcome that statement but I would like to have some assur­ MR. SPEAKER: The difficulty is, if ance from the Prime Minister that the House agrees___ hereafter bullets will not be used when •Published tn the Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, Section II dated 26-4-1978. 343 D.G. 1976*78 MH». APRIL 2MB. 1S7« of Horn* jiJWr* *44

    tSbn M N Govindan Nair) stitution. One Is the removal of un- legitimate demands either by workers touchability and the other is 6f giving or peasants are raised 1 would like franchise to all adult citizens in this the atrocities against the Harijans country. how many workers were killed by firing and how many were injured by For the first time in the history of firms during the labour unrest in the these people, they are recognised as last one year Secondly, how many human beings Human rights were people were murdered during labour given to them and now a dominant unrest by clashes among rival groups section in our country is trying to deny It has become a practice that the that right to them and enforce the discussions about atrocities on Hari­ code of Manu i.e they are again en­ jans have been completely ignored by forcing untouchability. This is a very the Home Ministry According to the serious matter I think the Home Constitution and the rules of proce Ministry and this Government should dure it is the special responsibility of take a serious note ol it the Home Ministry to protect the All these developments during the interests of the Harijans Here also, last one year are leading the countiy 1 I would like to know from the Home to a new situation In certain areas*— Minister, during the last one year how in UP, Bihar,—it is taking the form many Harijans have been murdered of a civil war A number of news In one State alone, the State of Madhya item appeared three days ago that at Pradesh according to the statement of Varanasi the Harijans could not pro the Chief Minister 105 Harijans were tect themselves from the attack of the murdered in one year This is the dominant section They bad to build quota of one State The House would barricades It was reported that they be very much interested to know the broke the barricades and attacked the total number of Harijans murdered, HanjanB In Agra also there was a the number of rape cases houses clash If you read the newspapers, burnt etc 1 would request the Home every day there is some instance ol Minister to give us a complete and attack on Harijans and others Now correct picture they have also started resisting If From the very first session of *his this process has to continue, I am Parliament we have been discussing quite sure, we will be facing a very the atrocities against the Hanjsns serious situation in future I would like to draw the attention of the House that these atrocities on the Prime Minister recently issued a Harijans have now reached a new and statement that he is taking action I qualitative stage According to our want an assurance from the Prime Constitution, untouchability is illegal Minister that hereafter he will not use and banned by law Anybody trying bullets on the workers, agriculturists to do that commits crime against the agricultural workers and students Constitution it is not a question when they fight for their legitimate whether Shn Jagjivan Ram was insult­ rights ed or not at Varanasi The Constitu­ tion prohibits untouchability in this In today’s The Times of India there country, openly a set of people come is an article about the tragedy of and try to purify the statue from the Pantnagar I have that article with pollution because the statue was touch­ me but I am not quoting it because ed by an ‘untouchable’ This is a of lack of time I want the Govern­ crime against the Constitution And ment to go through it to study the not only that, now there is a mow m situation. I want an assurance from that area to instal tbs cod* of Manu the Government that they will issue in place of our Constitution. Two immediate instructions to withdraw revolutionary concepts are in our Con­ P A C from the College campus m D.G. l§W -» Min. VAXSAXHA6, 1900 (SAKA) of Hom A0Mr*

    Secondly, ht^CUmate demands have unlike the other State*, the subject been made by the agricultural worker*. of “Law and Order” is with the Immediate step* should be taken to Governor, and therefore, it is with the settle thoae dispute* amicably. Centre directly. Although W* have a* popular Government, subject of Law and Order is not with this responsible Thirdly, in the judicial enquiry It Government. That i* the peculiar Is not enough the Police Officer* are situation. Even so, in spite of this brought in. The real culprit is the arrangement, law and order situation Vice Chancellor himself. So, the would not have arisen if situation genesis of the trouble, the behaviour was not mishandled by those respon­ of the Vice Chancellor, all these things sible for Law and Order. There is a should form part of the judicial en­ particular incident which I wish quiry. If that is done, we in the Oppo­ mention. sition will feel that the Government is turning a new leaf with regard to In pursuance of the Shillong their attitude towards the weaker sec­ tions of the people and towards the Accord, a team of 22 persons of for­ 1 struggle of the working class. If that mer Underground were on their way approach is there, definitely, we in the to contact their other friends in the Opposition will be ready to co-operate border. They left Kohirr.a around 16th with the Prime Minister in bringing March 1978. This group was arrested normalcy in the country. beyond Akhwego bridge in Meluri area on 18th March 1978. Seven per­ sons of the group, one from each tribe SHRIMATI HANO M. SHAIZA were tortured while they were in the (Nagaland): Speaker, Sir. whfe custody of the Security Forces. In supporting the Demands for Grants this process one Heshena Sema suc­ of the Ministry of Home Affairs, I cumbed to his injuries. Reports would also like to draw the attention available say that he waB shot at after of the Ministry concerned to certain he fell unconscious due to the tor­ specific issues which I consider to be ture. There were similar cases fol­ very important. lowing this incident. Another ten persons had been arrested on April 4, 1978. AH these incidents took place Everyday in one way or the other well within the State of Nagaland. this House has pindered over the Order and Law situation in this coun­ try without achieving any result. Now the question before us is this: Rather, according to ir.e, it has been Why were these persons—the emmis- one ©f finding faults with one another saries who were only carrying out the saying that all others are wrong at instructions of th« representatives of all times and of blaming others. Not the Underground leaders who signed one has shared any responsibility in the Accord, arrested? Why did they the present turmoil. This is disap­ not arrest the leaders of the Under­ pointing. The result is that we have ground group responsible for the mis­ all become experts in mud-slinging sion of the emissaries, if at all. any whether we sit in the treasury ben­ arrest is to be made even inspite of ches or in the opposition. The time the fact that no Organisation in Naga­ has come when w« should sit together land is banned today. At the mo­ and discuss all the problems and see ment 28 persons ar'e in Kohima Jail, how these can be solved. and the whereabouts of tw0 of them are not known. These incidents have created a very grave doubt in the Sir, law and order in Nagaland <* minds of th« fTajgis about the sincerity taut known to the people here. The of the Government with, regard t» peculiar sttuatkMi hi Nagaland i* that, the Shillong Accord. D.G. 1978-79 Min. APRIL 86. 1978 of Home Affair* *48

    IShrimati Ran© M. Shaiza] ses or to attend some religious con­ Regarding the laft and order situa­ ferences. Some from abroad wish to tion in Mizoram, recently I had the come visiting relations or • -attending opportunity of talking to Mr. Lai- religious functions etc. This can be denga and I am convinced that he is sorted without having to wait long. serious and sincerely committed to Even now at this hour, some ladies And a solution or answer to the prob­ from Nagaland are waiting for their lem within the framework of the passports as they intend to attend a Constitution. There can be no better missionary women conference (re­ opportunity than this for the Gov­ ligious function). I have been told that ernment to seek a solution with him five to six weeks are required. Very j^nd the Mizo National Front (MNF) few Nagas, as I had said, apply for who rightly or wrongly, has an issue passports and the are all Indian citi­ to settle with the Government. While zens, nationals and I do not think discussing Mizoram Budget m this this long exercise is useful or impor­ House, I very well remember that one tant. Often, no reply, no reasons as­ of the honourable members said that signed and no passports. This is un­ we have heard the Home Minister’s called for. version but we are yet to hear the version of the other side. Let us ndt repeat the mistake that was commit­ Coming to Arunachal we find that ted in Nagaland some years ago "by persecutions of Christians continues the previous regime. which is rather a sensitive issue. Churches have been dismantled, With regard to the question of the Christians were tortured and harassed issue of Passports to applicants in attd 1 their properties destroyed or Nagaland, 1 had raised some questions burnt. • The Administration in Arun- (Agenda) for discussion during the chal has been pursuing certain poli- Consultative Committee’s jpeetin,g for cife& which are certainly discrimina­ the Ministry of Home Affairs, I was tory. There are instances of Chris­ given a reply “That under the gov­ tians facing physical torture and death. ernment of India (Allocation of ?upi- Christian priests who are Indian ness) Rules, 1961, issue of Passports nationals have been denied entry into is the subject matter to be dealt vpith Arunachal. I would appeal to the by the Ministry 0f External Affairs Ministry and the Government to In view of this, it has been decided, sehtt a fcroup of M.P.s of all with the approval of the Minister of trf and see what is actually hap- Home Affairs, that the items is not the ifehlng: There is no religious free- concern of the 'Ministry of Home dtith as even Indian Christian leaders Affairs. And therefore the matter ate 'denied entry there to attend re­ was not discussed in the Consultative ligious functions. This kind of dis­ Committee meeting. Inspite of this criminatory attitude only creates fur­ categorical written reply, the Home ther problems. Ministry continues to deal and con­ trol the question of the issue of pass­ ports. The categorical reply seems to have been made to confuse the issue as there is no co-ordination. I I would like to request that such want this to be given the considera­ discriminations are removed and 'it tion it deserves and intimate me a will be better for the Government not direct and proper reply. In Naga­ to interfere in the religious affairs of land, the number of persons asking the country. India is a country of for passports is few as compared to .religions be it the , Muslima, ■other States. They ask for visiting Christians and other faiths. We fan relations abroad, to study some cour­ all lfere h*p£)y together a« a family. 249 D.O! 1W8*79' Mifa. VAISAKHA 6, 1900

    Lastly, a word about the law «od •nrm* f w , »fta *n% ||r wt t s * order situation. The wholf country seems to be seized with a situation frffcS T fOTT «*# t Which we are not able to cope with. $T*rcfr anr?r *!■ I believe if you all accept responsi­ wtrft ’r i srre*r «rr i % jprrff bilities—whether Janata or non- Janata—and come together to listen W>ff T f *pt *tttt »mT fV # W - to one' another's views, the Harijans m xz t i trap ?n^?r?r #nrr % will not continue to be sufferers but VfTfa far^TT ^ 322 5ft»r *?T f?rcr *TT* we will become wiser by listening to the grievances of the suffering clas­ ^ f«r t «r i inr »T3r 3fr?rct | ses. f«p ^ S im % % srraui «p> fw w J r t t ^ % »rr7 T «HJT «TT I *Jo «fto i w fsr$ (srwjJ : 5«r# ir art f ® fs n , ^ ?T srcwr mt&r, s w fo fw r *q?t $ I 9TVTT T?T3^’ ^ % ,3fi *fV*rra vt ffpsrsra- — VFZwJt «TT «ft w k flfsft TT ^ swt 5ar^r?fV «rr$ £ *nfa*rr?rr, wt r $frT, ?r> wh wjs.t’Tt i**r tfrr ^rr> fc vtarsrr*Tns» %f3n3r^*rfT»r«ftft?wr?fV fa i t, ffn «rV wa^tJr “w i iwnT **tt ^Tefl srrf £ vft* vrcft vw | fv f® *nfrr> >r ar.t i «TT 3f?T TOTCTW |T^ I, «nrt T O sorfatf ^ 'TT 3n?T I fjflpp>

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    [Shri G. M. Banatwalla] I have also to draw the attention show that there is peace and even an of the government io afeotheT' signifi­ improvement in the law and order cant factor with «espept to thq law situation. I most here say that law and order situation. Here 1 am de­ and order ig not something that can pending upon only limited figures, be measured and no quantum in­ because in the short tixr.e that has dication can be given to the same. been allotted to me, it, may not be Tine deceptive statistics that are reel­ possible to refer to the conditions ed out have onfr led to one unfor­ everywhere. But as an example, if tunate result and that is the destruc­ we look to only one district, the dis­ tion of the credibility of the Home trict of Kanpur, we find that in 1977 Minister himself because the deterio­ the number of illegal country-made ration of the law and order situa­ pistols sized as compared to factory- tion is not only obvious, but the manufactured ones has rocketed. This people of India are the victims of shows the callous attitude of the the same. authorities towards all these things Due t0 lack of vigilance on the part of I do not wish to go into the various those responsible, the number oi causes that have led to this deteriora­ country-made pistols and cartridges tion and the worsening of the law as compared to the factory-manufac­ and order situation. There has been tured ones have rocketed. In 1976 a debate m this House and man# the number of illegal country-made causes have been brought before this pistols recovered by the police was House In addition to these I would 211. The machinery responsible for like to draw the attention of the Gov­ the law and order situation was so ernment to two other factors that are callous that in 1977 this figure rocke­ responsible for the worsening of the ted to 752. Similarly, the number of law and order situation. I am not country-made cartridges seized by here recapitulating all those causes the police during 1976 was 751 and that have been placed before this in 1977 they were 2592! I have plac­ House at the time of discussion on ed these figures only as an illustra­ the law and order situation. There tion of the point I am making, name­ are two other significant indications ly, the callous attitude of the machi­ of the health of law and order situa­ nery responsible for the maintenance tion. of law and order situation to these significant features that are at the In the first place the state of in­ bottom working for the worsening of vestigation and the preparation of the law and order situation. prosecution cases are far from satis­ factory. In 1977, 27,413 murder, It i« not merely crimes indulged in dacoity and robbery cases were pro­ by professional criminals and others secuted, but most of them failed that we are confronted with. There because of the prosecution's failure are two very distinct unfortunate to file a chargesheet within seven features of the present worsening of days as required by the amended Sec­ the law and order situation. In the tion 167 of the Criminal Procedure first place, violence against the work­ Code. When such Is thfc case with ing class has recorded a sharp rise. respect to the investigation and the It is here that the law and carder preparation of the prosecution, when machinery gets involved. Lathi f o r ­ prosecutions fell because of the let­ ges, use of tear gas, police firing hargy 0n the part of the prosecutors against workers and students have'ill ft) file a chargesheet within the stipu* surpassed beyond the previous figu­ fifed tiro*, we can understand what res. havoc it play* with the law and order situation because of the callous IffU- The second fertvnMua unfortunate tude on the part 6t the authority. * fe*t^re-of ,tbe^ yjpr^niog^ 1*^ |nd 257 * 0 > VAISAKHA 8, lttDty ( SAKA) 0/ Horn* AflMr* , a5S order tPwffen it the organised and submission wity respect to its com­ pre-meditated brutalities against ihe position, the Chairm*, to be a Mus­ minorities u d the weaker seefions. lim and th* powers and authority According to a conservative estimate, and the constitutional and indepen­ as you know very well, nearly one dent status of the Minorities Com­ lakh Etarijans have been forcibly and mission. I have already made my violently deprived of the lands that Submission on this under Rule 377 had b#en allotted to them during the and go I shall not recapitulate it. emergency. In Bihar, according to the admission of the Chief Minister 105 Then, Sir, I had an Unstarred Harijans were killed during the past Question No. 6678 whet* I had 9 months. for figures Of Muslim In THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Central Government Services. The MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS reply of the Government was that (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): they do not have statistics. Well, on* Not Bihar, but in Madhya Pradesh. can understand that reply. But this arrogant government of the Janata SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: Yes, Party goes further to say in reply to in Madhya Pradesh.' This is accord­ this Unstarred Question that it would ing to the admission of the Chief not be desirable even to collect ana Minister himself. This is a fact that furnish the information regarding em­ 105 Harijans had been killed during ployment of various minorities and the last 9 months. backward classes in respect of whom there was no reservation in Govern­ Sir, coming to the communal situa­ ment Services. They are not even tion, I say in most categorical terms prepared to collect the information. and from the figures given by the Gov- That shows the attitude that they have ernment in its Report, the Home towards the problems of minorities. Ministry’s Report for 1977-78, that They have championed themselves as during the last year there has been one trying to solve the problems of an unfortunate reversal of th« down­ minorities, but that is not the fact. I ward trend in the incidents of com­ ask the Minorities Commission to take munal violence. Sir, in 1974, accord­ note of this particular attitude of the ing to the figures given by the Govern­ Government. Otherwise, without ment here in this Report, the com­ these figures collected by the Govern­ munal incidents were 248. In 1975 ment, we cannot know whether the they were 205 and in 1976 they were Services have a true, cosmopolitan 169. This downward trend that we nature or not. were having as far as the communal incidents are concerned, gets revers­ Lastly, 1 must *ay one sentence and ed. During the last year, the year of take leave of you. In the Report there rule of the Janata Party Government, is a reference to an unofficial body there is a spurt in the incidents and called the Citizens for Democracy in 1977 we have had 188 communal having set up a Tarkunde Commission. incidents. It is unfortunate. The The same body has set up another major incidents were in Varanasi and Commission for probing into the Sambhal. In Sambhal there was dis­ religious affairs of Dawoodi Bohras. tortion of facts because of which we There is widespread discontent am­ had asked for judicial inquiry which ong the . I would a Me the is not yet agreed to. 'Government to come forward and soe that such Interference does not hap­ jBefore I conclude, I have only to pen. I would not have referred to it. say that we have welcomed the as it is an unofficial body, but because appointment of the Minorities Com­ you have referred to another unoA- mission. I have already made my cial body In your Report with respect 738 LS—« 259 D.G. 1978-79 Min. APRIL 86. I6TO of Home tftfttiw ' 260

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    not the principle of abridging the true federalism. m x fo? *n$ 11 srf'rerr ?tr ai A question has been raised regard­ it | «ft I 35PP1 sprr f^rsr % ;tpt ing the Minorities Commission. The House should know that there is a ftfr Jttfar f ? f 3*rrvrfsn? g sense oi insecurity prevailing among because I do not want it to be the minority- communities all over said by anybody that they were never the country. I welcome the forma­ called. Some of these members tion of the Minorities Commision. But have given their names. They have the minorities should have confidence not spoken on any Demands, as Mr. in the Commission that has been set Lyngdow, for example. Now, Mr. up. My hon. friend, Shri Banatwalla, Chitta Basu. was saying that as far as his com­ SHRl CHITTA BASU (Barasat): munity is concerned, it has got the Sir, at the outset I would like to draw least cnnfidence in this Commission. the attention of the hon. Minister here Therefore, I would say the Govern­ to a certain concrete problem, namely, ment should have doneHBetter. They the question of Centre-State relation. should have done the widest possible Just a few minutes before, Shri Kan- consultation with the leaders of all warlai Gupta made certain points say­ shades of political opinion of the ing that the demand for a review ot minorities and then set up the Com­ the Centre-State relations is some­ mission. Then the very purpose of thing which goes for the disintegra­ setting up the Minorities Commission tion of the country. But I want to would have been successful and the make it clear that a review of the problem of the minorities might have Centre-State relations even to the been solved extent of amendment of the existing Regarding the atrocities on Harijans, Constitution has nothing to do with I demand today that there should be the disintegration or the unity of the a special tribunal or special court to country. I know that Mr. Kanwarlal go into the atrocities perpetrated on Gupta has got a philosophy of his Harijans in the last one year. That own. That is the philosophy of the will provide a socio-economic profile Jan Sangh. That is, they have been that will help the Harijans, or rather all along preaching that India should the House, to know what is the actual have a unitary system. We should all situation regarding this. go against the principle of federalism. The hon. Prime Minister was say­ I say, without discussing much, it is a ing that he is for a dialogue for dangerous attitude and dangerous curbing violence There is the Natio­ trend. India’s unity is in the diver* nal integration Council, which also sity and this concept of unity should provides a forum for dialogue. It not be a mechanical unity. Those for­ met last in the year 1968. I alsc ces In this country which still want had an opportunity to attend one of to have that kind of unity based on the meetings of the National Integra* the mechanical concept of unity putt­ tion Council, where all the political ing aside the very basic concept of parties were invited to give their India unity i.e. unity in diversity, opinion, exchange views on the Im­ will ultimately spell the disaster for portant issues which face the emo­ the country. This much. I can say. tional integrity of the country. The I say there should be a national Commission made certain recom­ dialogue, there should be a review of mendations covering the regional, edu­ the constitutional provision, there cational and communal aspects and should be a revision of the present the aspects dealing with mass media, relationship between the States and I think most of those recommends- the Centre, that is an over-expansion Wons have ™>t been Implemented, they of the principles of federalism; !♦ is have Just been Shelved. 301 D.O. 1978-78 Min. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 302 SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL: No, make a special study of the reasons that is not correct for the rural tensions. I am glad that SHRI CHITTA BASU: Then you the Home Ministry took up the task please state which are the recommen­ in 1969. They went into the socio­ dations that have been implemented. economic conditions and the agrarian For instance, there are certain stand­ tension in the country and made fur- ing committees which did not Bit. My reaching recommendations. May I lriend, Shri Banatwalla says that the expect of the Janata Home Minister to trends of communal riots have been kindly go into that report and say what increasing. There is a sub-committee actual steps they have taken to reduce of the National Integration Council rural agrarian tension and ttnd out a to look after the communal situation. fadution? As far as my information goes, that fcub-committee met last in the year Therefore. 1 would suggest that the 1969. I think these are certain points Government of India should lake iuto which should receive Government’s account, and make an analysis oi, the attention. anatomy of violence not in a spint of Coming to the general situation, this appealing to the people not to brcdk House had the opportunity to discuss the peace but submit to violence. It 1 * 'the law and order situation only a few the police, the bureaucracy, who are days ago. That discussion provided a perpetrating violence on Ihe people sectoral view of the law and order and you ask the people to remain non­ situation prevailing in the country. It violent while you want to continue •was made abundantly clear that there with violence. Pantnagar and Baila- has been wide-spread discontent and liilla are instances where violence wa* unrest among the students, working committed on peaceful, democratic flass and in the rural areas. While I and peace-loving men. We refuse to do not want to quote the figures, I want allow this trigger-happy bureaucracy to underscore a particular thing. In and police to continue their violence. the course of the reply, the Home The people will act as they like. Minister expressed a sense ol com­ SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH placency while the Prime Minister (Hoshangabad) Permit me at the mentioned of a dialogue between the outset to say how much we miss today opposition and the ruling party. But the sprightly and vigorous personality no particular reference was made to of the Home Minister. And may 1 add the basic reason for this unrest. my prayer to that of my hon. friend , I do not want to take much of your Dr. Sushila Nayar, and also of the time. I shall simply read a particular other Members who have already paragraph of Prof. Myrdal’s book spoken yesterday and today, for his Asian Drama, depicting the reasons for speedy recovery and return to his field social unrest in the rural areas. He of activities in this House and outside says: are long? “The Indian village is like a com­ Last year when the Home Ministry plex molecule among whose parts Demands were discussed in the House, extreme tension has been built up. we had a pamphlet before us a book­ Although the tensions criss-cross in let before us, titled, captioned, “Hun­ a manner that maintains equilibrium, dred Days of Janata". We discussed it is conceivable that this might be those Demands a hundred days after organised in a way that would ex­ the Janata Party had come to power. plode the molecule. This would not Now it is nearly 400 days 6ince the happen spontaneously, but as a result Janata Party came to power last year of a forceful onslaught from outside.” March, and during these 300 days two This is the thing that you are provid­ events have occurred which are of ings The molecule is going to burst considerable political, constitutional and So I think the Home Ministry should administrative significance. 303 D G- 1978-79 Min. APRIL 26. 1978 of Home Affairs

    [Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath] person, a former Prime Minister a One is the elections in the south former mini-dictator who demented •where other parties, parties other than by her insatiable lust for personal the Janata, have come to power. power, is carrying on a mendacious There was euphoria when the Demands propaganda today. Even her party- were discussed last year but there is men perhaps privately and secretly no need for dejection, there is no cause may wonder what kinds of lies are for despair or for any faintheartedness these. But, anywhere, i am not going now. What has happened in the elec­ into details. And let us not forget that tions in the south) is all to the good, 1 those elements who take shelter under am not at all dejected, because firstly her wing, who take her name, some­ i1 has led to a sort of political polarisa­ times in vain, sometimes rightly, tion on the national plane—the Janata sometimes wrongly, are also active Party and the Congress Party; the two and let us not forget that their aim, Congress Parties; whether they become objective is, if not to come to power one or not is not my concern. It is a by book or by crook, to create chaos; good thing for the political health of perhaps, they think that out of this the nation and I am glad that the chaos will come a dancing star, as the Janata Party did not come to power poet says. And she hopes and in 1hose two States because it is bad dreams that she will herself be for a party, as it was for the Congress the dancing star. But she will be Party to remain in power for 30 years, disillusioned, she will be dis­ to retain power in all the States, to appointed and she will remain where come to power throughout the country. she is new. In this context, Sir, I It is bad for the federal health of the would like to caution the Home Minis­ country, bad for the health of the try about one aspect of this matter and party itself It would have become that is a person who has been 11 years complacent; it would have become even in power—I might call it a diabolical arrogant. Now it has been taught, I decade and not a dynamic decade; I would not say a lesson but it has been do not blame her for that—naturally made to sit up and think as to what to has got her set of admirers, toadies, do and how to do tnings. And people lackeys, flunkeys and donkeys in the also can judge now which Government administration, in the civil services, is better—the Karnataka Government maybe in the Armed Forces also. I is bettei, the Andhra Pradesh Govern­ would request the Government, Sir. ment is better or the twin-party Gov­ very earnestly, very sincerely to keep ernment in Maharashtra is better or an eye on every Ministry, every De­ the other party Governments are partment of the Government because better It is good for the people to I for one suspect that there are cells hove political education that way. in every Department, even in Intelli­ gence Departments from where the The other event which is every dis- 1 rpssing is the deteriorating law and needed information goes to her cro­ nies, toadies and flunkeys who cany order situation in the country. But it to her and the Govenment has got at the same time, permit me to say to be on guard against this kind of that it has been exaggerated by inter­ thing. ested parties and propagandists and blown out of all proportion. It Is In this context, the Shah Commis­ tragic, it is s a d . But let us not forget sion’s Report assumes importance. The also that there are elements, forces, Shah Commission submitted its interim groups, individuals who are working Report on the 13th March. I raised a deliberately towards this end that there question in the House and them was be lawlessness that there be disorder no answer to that as to when it will and that there be chaos in the country. be placed on the Table of the House Let us not forget, Sir, that at the head 1 am sorry to say that rumours are of those forces and individuals is a rife, that rumours are afloat in the 305 D.G. 1978-79 Min. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 306

    capital, in the city1 of Delhi—I do not of the House in this very session and give credence to these rumours but let there be a discussion on that so rumours are there; you must take that the criminals do not go scot-free. notice of that; the Government has got I make that demand with all the force to take note of rumours also—that the at my command. Shah Commission’s interim Report is nol going to be placed on the Table of There is another trend which is also the House because I say with trepida­ equally dangerous, that is, Karnataka tion, there are differences among the Government which is also a C.P. (I) trinity, trimurti, as to what action is Government in the sense I mean the to be taken on this interim Reporl. Congress Party (Indira)—there is the other CPI also, the hesitant and con­ It is amazing that the interim Report fused ally of the Congress Party is currently—that is what I am given (Indira); I do not know whether they to understand; if I am wrong the Min­ are now allies or not; I do not go into ister will correct me—under examina­ that—-the Government of Karnataka is tion by a Committee of Secretaries reported to have withdrawn its con­ headed by the Cabinet Secretary. A sent to the extension to Karnataka of report of that kind should have been concurrent powers of investigation by straightway placed for examination the Centre of offences under the Delhi before a sub-Committee of the Cabinet, Special Police Establishment Amend­ not before a Committee of Secretaries. ment Act. This action on the part of Even the CBI Report on Orissa affairs, Government of Karnataka has grave on corruption affairs there, which I had political, constitutional and administra­ the honour to lay on the Table of the tive implications and is fraught with House in 1965, was placed before a danger to the Union of India—Union sub-Committee of the Cabinet straight* in the right sense of the word—as way by the late Shri Lai Bahadur envisioned by Article 1 and other pro­ Shastri and not before a Committee of visions of the Constitution. Secretaries. So this is very wrong. The House would like to know, there­ It may be because Justice Shah has made some very crucial and very im­ fore, from the Minister concerned the portant recommendations and come to repercussions of the decision of the Government of Karnataka on the certain findings and conclusions. It Grover Commission’s Inquiry and on may be, therefore, that they are taking the investigations currently being con­ time to comc to a decision. But I would seriously suggest that if the ducted by the CBI on the basis of the interim report submitted by the Com­ offence made out by Justice Shah in mission. 1 hope the Minister will his interim Report, against whoever it throw adequate light on this matter may be, is not within the ambit of the which is very important from the con­ Indian Penal Code, let there be a stitutional, political and other implica­ special law passed by Parliament to tions. try the offender, to try the criminal, anti-people criminal, anti-Constitution criminal, whoever it may be. Let there Now I come to the crux of the matter be a special law, a special statute, a about the law and order situation. It special enactment passed by Parlia­ was said earlier that there were anti­ ment. Let there be a special tribunal social, anti-constitutional element# at to try the offender, to try the criminal large and they were playing their role, who brought the Constitution into dis­ rightly or wrongly, playing foul also repute, who tried to sabotage demo­ and taking advantage of the rule of cracy, who tried to butcher democracy law now prevailing, all preventive de­ and emasculate the judiciary, who tention laws having been repealed. tried to denigrate Parliament and gag There is another aspect of the matter the press. Let us have it on the Table equally Important and that la that the 307 ».C . 1M8-7* J«*. APRIL 28. 1678 of Home Again jog tShri Hari Vishnu Kamath] the people is essential and all sep­ Government has not yet undertaken aratist tendencies, all flssiparous ten­ the implementation of the socio-eco­ dencies should not be given qn impe­ nomic programmes in right earnest. tus, not be encouraged. And for that Last year, on the 22nd July, 1077 the purpose, a change of heart, change of House adopted--the Home Minister mind on the part of all is essential. himself, Shri Charan Singh accepted in its entirety my resolution on the I here come to n very sensitive issue subject—-without any dissenting vote, and that is constitutional reservation the following resolution: issue. Reservation in the Constitution which was originally for 10 years for “Solemly pledging its earnest en­ a certain class of people, it was then deavour for the speedy implementa­ extended by another 10 years and fur­ tion in close cooperation with the ther extended by io years; for 30 people of a socio-economic revolu­ years, it has been in operation, and tion illumined by democratic stand­ most probably, I do not know—it will ard, vivified by socialist ideals and be extended by another 10 years. ThuB firmly founded on moral and spiri­ tual values.” a certain class of people have acquired or tend 1o acquire vested interest in backwardness, in that particular cate­ Now the time has come. One year, we gory. have devoted to the political charter. This year, second year and third year Now, may I crave your indulgence also, let us devote ourselves in co­ and the indulgence of the House to operation with the opposition also—I quote Dr. Ambedkar who was himself am sure, they will join us in the a great leader of the Dalit—the word mighty endeavour for building up used here in the House—and cham­ India unlimited___ pioned their causc very effectively, AN HON. MEMBER • Where is the and also piloted the Constitution. He endeavour’ said—moving the motion of the uralt Constitution for the consideration of SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: the House on the 4th November, 1948. That is why I say: endeavour. Let us devote ourselves to creating a socio­ He said: economic revolution, socio-economic "In this country both the mino­ programme during this year and the rities and the majorities have fol­ next year. lowed a wrong path. It is wrong SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Idukki): for the majority to deny the exis­ tence o f minorities. It is equally They consider the resolution anti-peo­ ple. wrong for the minorities to per­ petuate themselves...” SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: If there is an endeavour, will you He said this in 1948, 30 years ago. join? Will you join in the Implemen­ tation? "A solution must be found which will serve a double purpose___It SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: In the im­ must also be such that it will enable plementation of it, yes. majorities and minorities to merge some day into one.” SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: I am glad. Again and again he asks lor that— SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: They do not join the national mainstream; forget consider it pro-people; they consider all about your being a member at the resolution anti-people. the minority. SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: “It is for the majority to realise For this, a great united endeavour of its duty not to discriminate against 309 D G- 1978-79 Min. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 310

    minorities. Whether the minorities MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please will continue or will vanish must conclude. * depend upon this habit of the ma­ jority. The moment the majority SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: loses the habit of discriminating I conclude. I cannot conclude better— against the minority, the minorities as I have struck a note of unity— can have no ground to exist. They than what Netaji Subhash Chandra will vanish.” Bose himsell and his great army, Azad Hind Fauj, sang as they march­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please ed to battle: try to conclude. £ foer # sftfa «r*mr, SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: 5ft wtit wrvft, One more minute, and I have done. (ft if* $ r m *rw, jrr £ snsfr, For this great task, there must be a* faer m a very efficient and incorrupt admin­ istration. I will not go into details. £ w sr*r *rrerr i The Administrative’ Reforms Com­ mission had submitted twenty re­ fT 3nr , ports, and among them were three *rm snffiTT n reports on personnel administration. 1 was rather surprised to find this in SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MUR- the note circulated by the Ministry THY (Amalapuram): Mr. Deputy- two months ago for the meeting of Speaker, Sir I rise to express some the Consultative Committee attached of my views on the working of the to the Ministry of Home Affairs—I am Home Ministry. Much has been said a member there; I was surprised to about law and order in this country see that the Ministry—I do not blame and I would like to add only one the Minister concerned; the officers thing, that this important subject must have drafted that note—had said cannot be dispensed with, simply by that the ARC had submitted only one saying that it is a State subject. Even report on personnel administration under the very nose of the Central We had submitted three. I do not Government i.e., in Delhi the situa­ know how many of them were con­ tion of law and order is quite alarm­ sidered and studies and also detailed ing, as we know pretty well. There­ statements with regard to them laid fore, the Government has to take on the Table. serious note of it and see that the situation is brought under control because the health and progress of The police are now having a hard the entire nation depends on law time. I am sure they -will live and and order. come up to the measure of their res- ponsiblities. But I would also like the Government to g0 into the ques­ I would like to stress another equal­ tion \>f the working conditions and ly important situation in India. But living conditions of the police force. before switching on to it, I would They are working under great strain. like to make a reference to some­ Along with the Police Commission, thing. Yesterday, i.e. on 2S.4.78, in let us also have a Prison Reforms , in the United States Con­ Commission which is also equally ference, our External Affairs Minis­ necessary. Government should con­ ter Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee very sider that matter. emphatically stated that India is to step up assistance to the Namibian Let us build our great Parliamen­ patriots, both morally and materially, tary democracy together with an ad­ to bring genuine independence to tins ministrative meritocracy... people of Namibia. He further ex* D.G. 1978-79 Min. APRIL 26. 1978 of Home Affairs 312

    [Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy] ed. According to the information pressed India’s all-out support to supplied by the Minister of Home the people of Namibia for total eradi­ Affairs, the total number of ntroci- cation of the evil practice of racism ties on Harijans in Uttar Pradesh in and apartheid. Here, I would like 1977 alone was 4019. And the other to bring to the notice of this Ministry important aspect to be taken into that the plight of 17 crores Harijans serious consideration here is that in India is drawing the special atten­ when we met the Harijans there, tion of the entire world and this they clearly stated that “the Police speaks clearly how far we are morally do not listen to us and the police do justified in supporting a cause out­ not take down our complaints and side our country while forgetting we have no place to appeal.” willfully the equally serious cause Coming t0 Madhya Pradesh, in in our country. Nowhere, in the his­ August, in Kanadia Village of Rat- tory of mankind, there is any sys­ lam District, a grisly incident occur­ tem like a caste system as we do pos­ red when four Harijans were brutally sess it in India. This caste system murdered and several others were alone has created a section of sub- seriously crippled. Here the problem human-beings in this country m the was that agricultural land allotted fonm of Harijans, whose human to them by the Government was taken rights have been trampled systema­ back forcibly from the Harijans. An tically for ages together. Under this important issue to be taken into con­ mysterious system, these sub human- sideration is that the Madhya Pradesh beings namely Harijans are safe as Vidhan Sabha was stunned to know long as they choose to remain as that the official machinery moved into sub human-beings, otherwise, they action only 24 hours after this grisly have to face the eternal war of ex­ incident occurred. The V id h a n Sabha termination which is silently operat­ was dum-found to know that the de­ ing in the form of atrocities. ceased Harijans were insulted even The nature of atrocities would be after they were slain by the assai­ clear if we go into certain real in­ lants who chopped off their noses, stances throughout the country. For chopped off their ears, chopped off instance, in Uttar Pradesh let us take their fingers and tore open their up Meerut, the home district of the stomaches and terrorised their wo­ Home Minister, wherein in July 1977 men folk in a bid to intimidate and virtually the rule of jungle orevailed molest them. The police station, when one Mr. Baleshar, a Hanjan, which was not far away, from this was brutally murdered for the fault place did not take any action and it of growing wheat in a land allotted appears the local officials had prior to him by the Government and then intimation about this but even then the other Harijan women were mer­ they did not care to take any action cilessly beaten in a bid to intimidate in this matter. and terrorise them Here another 14.59 hrs, important thing is that most of the Gram Sabha land was taken illegal [Smu Dhxrendranath Basu in the possession of by the high-caste peo­ Chair]. ple there and when we met the Sub- The States where the Congress Divisional Magistrate Shri D. S. Bains, Government is functioning are not he said that the problem was basical­ exceptions in this matter because the ly social because, somehow, the Hari­ Congress has its share of responsi­ jans were not acceptable as stand, bility for the present state of affairs ard human-beings by the rural rich. in our country after all it has ruled Apart from this, 92,000 Harijans were the country for almost, most of the deprived of their allotted land and time since 1947. For Iwrtatiep we do not have a precise record as Andhra Pradesh there were some to how many of them have been kill­ ghastly incidents of atrocities com* 3j3 DXr. 1978-79 Win. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Home Affair* 314 mitted on Harijans. In July 1977, in In Dharampur 4 Harijans were a place called Chinaogirala in Krishna chased and shot dead in their own district, one Harijan was axed to huts. I went there personally and death when the landlords attacked saw with my own eyes the traces them with knives, spears, axes and of bullet holes in their mud walls. other deadly weapons. The landlords There, one Mr. Shivamuni. aged JO and their ‘goondas’ behaved like in­ and studied upto BA tried to be asser­ human brutes when they tore off tive. He was chased and shot dead in the sarees and blouses of innocent and his hut and same was the fate of the helpless Harijan women in a bid to other three Harijans who tried to W* molest them. Similarly in Katapalli assertive. Besides three Harijans Village in Mahboobnagar District in women were seriously wounded when Andhra Pradesh, Harijans were vir­ they tried to save the lives of their tually under social boycott imposed husbands. In Kohtas on the Holi day by the landlords there for about a itself 31 Harijans were reported to month. They'were deprived of farm have been burnt alive. work and put under great stress and strain simply because 35 families In Bishrampur the brutal killings have been allotted Pattas. almost resembled the Belchi incident. Above all, in Jamatara mass rape, 15.00 hrs. mass loot and mass arson occurred when the raiders raped six Harijan If we come to Bihar, this State is a women and tortured other Harijan major part of lawlessness in our women by burning their thighs and country, Belchi, Patna, Dharampur, breasts inhumanly. The worst part Rohtas, Begusarai, Bihar Sharif and of it is that the Police officials who Bishrampur are a few out of many had prior knowledge have not taken places where countless families of any proper action. Harijans have been burnt alive. Belchi stands out because of its in­ These were some of the grisly inr human brutality. All the 8 out of cidents on which we will be able to the 11 victims were Harijans who come to clear-cut conclusions that were dragged out of their huts where there are three important factors in­ they had sought refuge and shot dead volved in these atrocities. One is the in cold blood and burnt. Here it was assertiveness by the Harijans and the sought to be played down by our other is the torturing by the rich and Home Minister, Mr. Charan Singh by the third one is the splendid silence describing it as a clash between two of the officials. I believe now that hardened criminals. But when a I need not lengthen the catalogue *f nine-member committee from the crimes against the Harijans. But the Parliamentary Forum for Scheduled alarming feature is that the atrocities Castes and Scheduled Tribes, of are continuously growing unchecked. which I am a Member, visited the This is clear from the Home Minis, Belchi village, they came to a clear try’s report itself. In 1975 the num­ conclusion that it was a clear case of ber of atrocities on Harijans was a massacre of helpless Harijans based 7781, in 1976 it was 5968 and in 1977 on caste hatred. it was 9225 but, according to the Again in Madhipur of Monghyr report of the Commissioner for Sche­ District in Bihar, in July 1977 4 Hari­ duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes jans were brutally murdered and there are about 10,000 odd incidents. cut into pieces and thrown into the This is the situation in which there river Ganga about which Mr. Kapil is an increase in violence against Deo Singh, Bihar Agriculture Minis­ Harijans but the way in which the ter has clearly said that it has crea- Home Minister is handling the situa­ ted panic and tenor among the Hari­ tion is quite disheartening and dis­ jans of the village. appointing. As we know in History 315 D.G. 1978-79 Af in. APRIL 26. 1978of Home AjfairB

    (Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy] ample evidence from the lessons of history. Without noticing this real while Rome was burning, Nero was phenomena, some of the Harijan lea­ fiddling. Similarly, while the Hari­ ders started thinking in terms of de­ jans are burning, Mr. Charan Sir^h manding more and more guarantees is translating them into percentages. But I do not insist on such impracti Curiously enough he co n tenth that cal approaches because law is not just not more than 1 per cent atroci­ enough. Constitutional provisions have ties on Hariians are committed so been proved to be very very ineffetivc far Probably he meat's by this that during the last 30 years. There are 14 pf-r cent atrocities on Harijans is still permissible in ordpr t0 complete constitutional provisions in the form of Articles 16, 17, 46, 335 & 338 lot their quota of 15 Dor cent reserva­ the exclusive benefits of Harijans tion. There is a Commissioner for the Sche­ duled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes Thus there is a systematic exter­ for the exclusive benefits of Hari­ mination of assertive Harijans going jans. There is a Parliamentary Com­ On in the form of atrocities. It is mittee for the Welfare of Scheduled basically a wrong conception’ to pre­ Castes and the Scheduled Tribes sume that these atrocities are non- There are a number of practicable existing in some of the States but solutions xn the form of recommen­ the atrocities are the direct result of dations of Elayperumal Committee some basic factors. They are pri­ and Shilu Ao Committee. Above all marily the assertivesness of the Hari­ the essence of every mainfesto of jans to protect themselves and this every political party, every time assertiveness is the direct result of shouts that it was born only for the a growing awareness of the basic upliftment of Harijans. Thus, in realities of human-beings. Secondly, spite of the existence at so many safe the economic inability of the Hari­ factors the social plight of Harijans jans, but not the physical inability. today in our country is fast deterio The economic inability made them rating—from bad to wors*> free from possessing completely wea­ pons either deadly or legally to pro­ tect themselves consequently they The problem is basically social are becoming helpless victims. Again rather than economic in nature. And this economic inability is the direct unless there is a drastic change in result of exploitation of labour. After the attitude of the people towards all, the capitalist exploited the labour. our casteism, this problem can never Thirdly, the functioning of the caste- be solved at all and the shameful in­ infected bureaucrats who arc actually cidents like washing with Ganga water in charge of the entire administration the statue unveiled by Shri Jagjiwan continuously Therefore, whenever Ram would go on continuing. and wherever these factors coincide either incidentally or accidentally the Besides, it is the implementation result would be brutal atrocities on that matters, but not increase of Harijans. Evidently the purpose of paper guarantees, and unless the un­ such dreadful vengeance is to terro­ faithfulness of the caste infected bu­ rise Harijans to prevent them from reaucrats towards the principle of becoming assertive. But the multi­ Constitution is penalised, there will plicity of atrocities in various dread­ be absolutely no use of enacting any ful forms cannot suppress them from number of lavra for protecting the the growing awareness. I do not know Harijans. Therefore, there are two how many of our leaders have realised practicable solutions. The Ant and that this growing determination of the foremost is, there should be a the suppressed people to assert them­ powerful administrative machinery selves is clearly indicative of a now with Statewlse offices under the class struggle in India, There is an of dedicated Harijans exclusively 3i 7 D.G> 1978-79 Min. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 318 meant to strictly penalise the unfaith­ Poona Pact by reluctantly giving up fulness of any Government official the successfully won separate elec­ towards any measure meant for Hari­ torate from Ramsay MacDonald just jans. to save the life of Gandhiji with a fond hope that this nation would be Before submitting my second solu­ grateful in saving the lives o f crores tion, I would like to make a few of his people. But India proved observations. time and again that Dr. Ambedkar committed a mistake on this issue These Harijans can wait upto any in believing them and in signing the number of decades to secure their Poona Pact. I ttm afraid, that the na­ just demands constitutionally guaran­ tion would again have to be partition­ teed. They can put up with any kind ed unless the self respect and modes­ of drudgery and poverty upto any ty of the 17 crores Harijans in the length of time. They can tolerate country are safe and secure. This even if their sheltering huts are burnt is not that routine request but a time down. And they can also suffer the bound warning of 17 crore Harijans punishment of criminal cases wrong­ in this country. fully inflicted on them. But is it fair on the part of the Government After all human life is to live but to make us wait helplessly and silent­ not to exist. ly when our very self-respect and modesty is brutally attacked? And is ftur (efrrr): it justifiable on the part of the Gov­ # *nwr srir *rr»rrft% fa ernment to make us wait silently and helplessly when our innocent wo­ jgff forr, w ffo t e f t yfgvrrC w men are stripped naked in the broad s*r sfto-flWT if ^ day light and raped before our own eyes? “Nobody can philosophise while his wife is being abducted” empha­ T5: §*rr i tically said Herald Laski, the Jew and the Twentieth Century greatest political thinker, who knew the in­ t o f , sfta human sufferings and tortures in the * «tpt srft trrarnft *r w r 1 1 hands of German Nazis. Therefore, I would like to submit with all my respect to this august House that the Government should forcibly take away 3rt fw r immediately all the illegal weapons fairer stttth possessed by the rich in the rural areas. If you fail to make the rich Tfft % I Ttf fTewfr 5RVR f>t surrender their illegal weapons you siWt srararraT | sfa should kindly give the protective I 'TfT ’BTTTT ’TTTTT

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    hon. House cannot go on saying that Governor to protect them. 1 under­ these are the disturbances and this stand that if such special powers are is the statistics. Who is responsible? given to the Governor, there will be Who has to enforce this responsibi­ diminution of the powers of the cabi­ lity? The surer way is—it may net. But when the cabinet is not be the responsibility of the Centre using the necessary powers for the or the States—there must be certain protection of these people, there is no norms established and if the situation other way than investing the Gover­ goes beyond that norm, every Home nor or the President as the case may Minister must forthwith resign, if he be with special powers. is not able to enforce the law and order. That js my suggestion. There has been violence in Bihar. 40 years ago, Dr. Ambedkar gave a So far as these incidents are con­ warning saying that this monster Of cerned, these are not isolated inci­ caste should be destroyed. He had dents. They are inter-mixed. This analysed thoroughly that if this mon­ problem is a very complicated pro­ ster is not destroyed, it shall raise its blem because these are religious head and there will be a sort of civil incidents, some are social incidents war. Such of those who want caste, and some are political incidents and either high or low, will have to face all of them are woven together. the situation. Otherwise, we should Therefore, it is R o o d that the hon. destroy caste and see that our social Prime Minister has been good enough order is reformed. to call a Conference and my sugges­ tion is, the Conference must not only ■deal with the law and order problem, There should be established certain but also two main subjects. committees of legislatures comprising scheduled castes and scheduled tribes and special powers should be given One is social order. What kind of to these committees, if they are to be social order do we have? It must protected. also consider whether it is a social qrder which breeds violence and whether it creates disturbances I want to give certain statistics. All and whether there can be any reme­ these reserved seat8 are captured by dy and whether we can improve different political parties and there­ upon the social order. fore, there is no unity of purpose so far as the welfare of the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes is con­ Similarly about the system of Gov­ cerned. In the Legislative Assem­ ernment, that question must also be blies, the Janata Party has captured considered and discussed in that Con­ 240 seats, the Congress Party 51 ference. Otherwise, if we take in seats, CPI 12 seats and CPM 48 seats. an isolated manner the question of In the Lok Sabha also there are cer­ law and order alone, probably that tain seats captured by various poli­ Conference may not be successful tical parties. If these are reserved and we will not be able to get any seats, leave it to them. Let them be solution whatsoever. There are cer­ organised. There real representa­ tain remedies as suggested by late tives should be elected and they Dr. Ambedkar and one remedy is should be able to influence the policy that if any Cabinet or any Govern­ of the Government. In that confer­ ment either in the State or at the ence, this question of representation Centre is failing to protect the lives must be discussed properly and the of the Scheduled Castes and Tribes, real representatives should be called then, certain special powers must be for that conference. given to the Governor and it rihould be the special responsibility of the With these words, 1 conclude. 331 D.G. 1078-79 Min. APRIL 26. 1978 of HOme Affair* 3331

    SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE minds of the people that there are (Jadavpur): Sir, this is a very im­ still forces operating which are pre­ portant Ministry, it has a very im­ venting real disclosure of the true* portant task to perform, namely, dis­ state of affairs and from taking any mantling the citadels of reaction and action against the persons who are dictatorship that had been set up guilty of those wrong doings. during those dark days of the emer­ gency. I know that various commis­ sions have been set up and that so far as persons at the higher levels are concerned, they are awaiting the Secondly, with regard to the All- reports of the Shah and other com­ India Services, the Indian Adminis­ missions. But in the executive set­ trative Service, the Indian Police up, there are various people who Service and other All-India Services, an anomaly has been created because have indulged in the grossest misuse of the control which is left with the of the laws that were prevalent in those days. I would like to know Central Government in regard to their disciplinary proceedings or in what steps government have so far regard to taking action against them. taken to ascertain who have been responsible tor the grossest misuse Various persons are deputed from here and assigned to the States. The of laws like MISA and DIR and how the laws of this country had been State Governments have really no control over these All-India Service manipulated for the purpose of tak­ officers. We are told that the ing away whatever minimal rights Central Government takes away the citizens of this country were en­ officers from some States. Those joying. This explanation is owed by whom the State Governments want this government to the people of this to retain for the services of the country. Therefore, |t is not enough States are not allowed to remain to merely leave it to the commissions there. Those decisions are not take** to find out what happened. The in consultation with the States. It is commissions’ findings will not be the Central Government which ulti­ operative as such. There will have mately decides. The Constitution hn« to be follow-up action. When will imposed so many responsibilities on you take any concrete steps to undo the State Governments. Now, we the mischief of the dictatorship, a n d cannot do away with bureaucratic set the emergency that had been taken up as such. Whether IAS officers or recourse to? How soon will you do IPS officers of State Governments it and how do you propose to do it? are really to be kept in the States We would like to know what is the thinking of the Homp Ministry on for carrying out the States’ policies or not, this is a matter which has to this point. Sir, we have seen how things have been done some time be decided by the Centre only. This is a very important aspect because, back, how a simple prosecution could after all, you want that the State not be conducted in a proper man­ Governments should function proper­ ner So, it seems there are still f o r ­ ly. There are various responsibilities ces which are operating in the corri­ under the Constitution and with the dors of the Home Ministry or in the bureaucratic set up thait we Slave, we Home Ministry itself who are more cannot do away with the IAS and sympathetic to the continuation of IPS because that is all controlled by the old system of Government that the Centre. But the State Govern* was there. They are interested in ments are becoming more and more covering up the misdeeds than inte­ powerless in selecting officers for rested in uncovering those misdeeds being deputed to the States and In and taking real steps to stop these taking action against them, if they things in future. This is important do not perform their functions well. because there is an impression in the One has to come to the Centre fop 333 D.G. 1979-79 Mm, VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Home AjjWrs 334

    clearance for anything that is to be ment of the conditions of the weaker done by the States. This is creating sections of the people? It is undeni­ difficulty. able that after 30 years of Indepen­ dence, 70 per cent of the people of The other point is the question of this country are below the poverty Centre-State relations. We have been line. What is the good of talking saying that this is not a matter of that the Constitution as such is in­ confrontation between any State and violable? What is the good of talk­ the Centre. This is a stark reality ing that the founding fathers of the of this country that thirty years of Constitution, as it were, evolved an the operation of the Constitution of ideal stage in this country? It is India as it has been framed or even time that we had a real federal amended many times, has not been structure in this country. It is now able to bring about any real change more unitary than federal. The dis­ in the economic condition of the peo­ tribution of powers is such that there ple of this country. It has not resul­ are more and more powers concen­ ted in equal development of the dif­ trated in the hands of the Centre. ferent parts of the country, namely, The 42nd Amendment 0f the Consti­ the different States. There are dis­ tution was directed towards creating criminations whether knowingly or Central hegemony over all the parts unknowingly which have been perpe­ of the country—not only the hege­ trated. There are uneven develop­ mony of the Central Government but ments. In some parts of the country hegemony of one individual who hap­ there *s concentration of resources pened to fill the post of Prime Minis­ while large areas of the country are ter then. Therefore, the time has still as in the pre-Independence days. come when, with all seriousness and Has the Constitution of the country earnestness we should request the so far as the distribution of powers Central Government and the Janata under a federal set up is concerned, Party in power: “Please try to and distribution of legislative power evolve by consensus, by discussion and distribution of executive power and by negotiation—not in a spirit between the Centre and the States is of confrontation.’* Let us think of concerned, served the people of this starting a dialogue on the distribu­ country? That is the touch-stone of tion of the powers between the Cen­ its utility. Has it helped in the uni­ tre and the States. form development of all the States of the country? It does not require I will take only 2 minutes more. any statistical data to prove that the (Interruptions) At least give powers eastern part of this country has been to the States, and then they will go deprived of various inputs and vari­ to the village level. ous investments which the other parts of the country have g ot I am not Secondly, there are various Central Baying that the other parts of the forces like the CEP and the BSF. I country should not develop. I am would like to know what, in future; not crying over that; but what X am will be the role of these police for­ saying is that the Constitution has ces, because they have been utilized imposed very serious and important in the P&st for crushing the demo­ responsibilities on the State govern­ cratic movements. These forces have ments. Has the Constitution, in the been utilized for bringing about dic­ matter of distribution of economic tatorial trends in this country, as and political powers, made such pro­ forces of repression and reaction. visions which will help in the proper That is why there is such a popular development of the States, and which resistance to the use of these forces. will help the different State govern­ I would like to know what the poli­ ments to arrange for their own af­ cy of the Janata Government is, as fairs satisfactorily, for the improve­ to the use of CRP and BSF, and what 335 DG‘ 1978-78 m n. APRIL 26. 1078 of Home Again 336

    IBhri Somnath Chatterjee] 15 .5 1 him . I0 th« present role of the Research CALLING ATTENTION TO MAT­ mid Analysis Wing. What will be TER OF URGENT PUBLIC the function of RAW? I would like IMPORTANCE to know this from the Government because this RAW has become the R eported m in e a ccid en t n e a r K o t a symbol of all anti-democratic activi­ ties in this country. The rigging of SHRI SARAT KAR (Cuttack): I the poll in 1972 in West Bengal was call the attention of the Minister of done under the aegis of RAW. How Parliamentary Affairs and Labour to is this RAW being utilized by this the following matter of urgent pub­ Janata Government we would like to lic importance and request that he know, because this is shrouded in may make a statement thereon: mystery. When the CPI(M) congress was being held in Jullundur, who “The reported mine accident planted the Intelligence men among near Kota (Rajasthan) on 22nd the delegates to the congress’ They April 1978, resulting in the death have even been found steeling the of eight persons and injury to papers of the delegates to the con­ several others." gress. Who is responsible for it? (Interruptions) Files were snatched THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ away, is this the wav for your Gov­ TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR ernment to function—by interfering (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA); On with the democratic functioning of 22nd April, 1978 at about 1800 hrs. an political parties in this country? accident occurred in the Kukra Lime Stone Mine belonging to M/s. West Suket Co-operative Labour Contract The other aspect is about police Society Ltd. Suket, near Ramgunj verification system. This is a perni­ cious method which this Government Mandi in the Kota District of Rajas­ still seems to be pursuing according than. While a group of about 40 to our information. We would like workers were employed at the bottom to know whether the right of the of the over hanging side of the top bench which was 7.5 m. high consist- citizen of this country to work under the Government would depend upon ing of loose debris and alluvial soil of the open cast working, a side mea­ the motivated clearance or non­ suring about 7.5 m. x 7.2 m. x 1 m., clearance given by the police. Will fell down burying 15 workers. I re­ it depend upon his political views or gret to say that seven workers died on his participation in a democratic on the spot. Two workers are being movement, which is not liked by the party in power for the time being? treated a» out patients in the Jhalawar Government Hospital. The remaining These are very important matters six are seriously injured, and are which are agitating the minds of the under treatment in the same Hospital people of this country. We would as in-patients- It is reported that all like to know whether you are follow­ of them are out of danger. ing in the footsteps of the dictator or not, whether there is a real change The accident is under investigation. ol heart and a real change in the According to the preliminary report method of working or not. There­ received from the Director General of fore, I would request the Home Min­ Mines Safety who inspected the site ister, whoever is going to reply, to of the accident, the cause of the acci­ tell us the policy of the Government. dent is due to fall of aide, and the I hope they have made up their mind responsibility has been Axed on the by this time. management of the mine. Necessary legal action is being taken against She persons held responsible. 337 MHt Occident VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) near Kota CCA) 338

    The Director General, Mines Safety ters of dependents of those wfoo have "ha* ordered the stoppage ot further died would be employed, go that they work in the mine except in regard to may not be in a difficult predicament. making the mine safe by benching Also, those who have been disabled from top downwards. and are unable to work should be given some permanent compensation. The State Government of Rajasthan has made ex-gratia payments from the It is said that the matter is still Chief Minister’s Relief Fund of Rs. 1000 under investigation, but there is a each to the families of the deceased daily newspaper, Rashtra Doot, pub­ and amount varying from Rs. 100 to lished from Jaipur and Kota, which in Rs. 500 to the less seriously injured headlines says that 30 persons were workers depending on the condition of dead Of course, he has categorically each worker. stated that only seven died. I do not know whether after the debris was Government view the occurrence of cleared, some more bodies were found. this accident and the fatalities of the unfortunate victims as a matter of A statement of the Bharatiya Maz- serious concern. The Government will door Sangh has demanded a judicial take every measure to see that the enquiry. May I know whether the persons who are responsible for the hon. Minister also thinks it is neces­ accident are brought to book and are sary? We were not on the spot', but given appropriate deterrent punish­ our concern is no less. We want that ment. The Mines Safety Review if it is necessary, a judicial enquiry Committee is shortly to meet to con­ should be held to satisfy labour so sider the steps to be taken for improv­ that they may not be panicky in other ing the conditions of safety in non­ mines. coal mines. Safety of workers in mines is of paramount concern to Regarding punishment, it has been Government, and we will take every said that the Director of Mines Safety step necessary to see that this is en­ has decided to make the management responsible, but as far as I know, this sured. Our aim is not only to reduce accidents, to achieve Zero Accident mine was run by a labour contract Potential in all mines. society. So, I do not know on whom responsibility will be fixed because in such societies all are owners, all are SHRI SARAT KAR: I thank the managers. hon. Minister for assuring us that all possible steps will be taken, but to If there was some prohibition, some my mind *t seems that we only take notice that the mines were unsafe, it some measures after the accident oc­ must have been in the knowledge of curs. So, I request the hon. Minister the mine’s authorities. So, all who to see that here should not be any are concerned directly or indirectly Chasnala, Chasnala should not be should be booked. repeated. He has assured us that accidents would not be reduced to SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: I do zero point. It is very laudable and I not think it will be right to say that should thank him for that, but let us steps for safety are taken after the see how far theory and practice meet. accidents. Accidents are unfortunate occurrences which take place in spite 1 came to know that from the Chief of precautionary and pre-emptive Minister’s Relief Fund a sum of steps As far as the Government is Rs. 1000 was given to the families of concerned, human effort and adminis­ each of the deceased. It will be a trative effort consists in ensuring that drop in the ocean, and will be suffi­ whatever steps can be taken are tajten cient only for meeting the funeral in time and that the safely regula* expanses. So, I want to know cate- tions are adequate and efHcientljr *&• soribiily Whether the sons and daugh. hered to. 339 Wine accident APRIL 26, 1978 near Kota (CA) 340

    [Shri Ravindra Varma] 31st March, 1978. On 10th April, after I would like to refer to the boo. we got the information in this House* Member’s remark about compensation we gave a calling attention notice. and say that my statement refers to On 10th April, we found that on the the ex-gratta payment that has been notice board this accident was notifi­ made. Ex-gratta payment is not ed. So, these things are going on. necessarily compensation. The matter But since such an accident has accur- of the extent of compensation that red now, I will say something about can be made available to the families the accident factor in the non-coal of those who have lost their lives will mines. certainly be looked into with the ut­ most sympathy and expedition. Even in the Ministry’s Report, it has been given out that in 1977, 230 per­ He raised the question of the sons sons were killed in coal mines and and daughters of the deceased being 84 killed in non-coal mines. As far provided employment. This was an as accidents are concerned, there were open cast mine, lime quarry. About 2000 accidents in coal mines and 780 600 workers are employed in this accidents in non-coal mines. Now, mine and most of them are migrant these non-coal mines are not classifi­ labour from Madhya Pradesh. If it is ed. As per the Government statistics, feasible to ensure employment for non-coal mines may be iron-ore mines abult children of those who have lost or dolomite or mica or it may be any­ their lives, we will enquire and see thing else like the limestone mine in how far it is possible. which this accident took place. That is why, I plead that in future in the Next he referred to the question of Ministry’s Report, these non-coal deaths and a newspaper report that mines should be classified properly be­ the number was 30* I can tell him cause a certain type of accident takes that the debris has now been com­ place in an iron-ore mine and An­ pletely cleared, and the number of other type of accidents takes place in deaths is only what my statement re­ a limestone mine or dolomite mine. fers to, i.e. seven. Another point is about the working conditions in the limestone mines at Then he raised the question of the Kota and in Rajasthan in general. responsibility of the management of What has not been mentioned in the these mines. It is true that it is a Minister’s statement is that out of 7 co-operative society, but the co-opera­ killed, there were four males and tive society also has its office-bearers, three females almost 22 feet below and they cannot escape responsibility the ground. It only highlights the as office-bearers and part of the tragedy. We do not know whether management on behalf of the co­ the female workers are being given operative society. equal remuneration and wages. We do not know whether other facilities 16 hn. which are available to other women are being given to them. SHRI SAUGATA ROY (Barrack- pore): I have gone through the Min­ There have been a number of ister’s statement carefully and also his changes in the coal Mines (Safety) reply to Mr. Sarat Kar's question. I Regulation Act. But as far as non­ emphasize it again—I emphasized it coal mines are concerned they are during the debate on the Demands of governed by the Mines Act of 1952 the Ministry—that in the Directorate and Mines Rules of 1955. So, in view General of Mines Safety there is « of what I have said, I want to ask the genuine lack of concern and aware­ Minister certain specific questions. ness of the safety aspect because there What is the total mine safety machi­ was an accident Tara mfafg on nery that is available In the State of 341 Min# accident VAXSAKHA % 1900 ISAKA) near Kota (CA) 34z

    Rajasthan? Whether the Government to the question. I would like to say has any proposal to amend the Mines that according to the procedure pres­ Act; 1952 and Mines Rules, 1955 so cribed by the Speaker in this regard, that better safety conditions prevail the intimation about accidents involv­ in these mines. Whether the Minister ing death of five or more persons has has any plans for setting up an ins­ to be put up on the notice board of titute of mines safety for continuous the ■Lok Sabha. But the usual prac­ research in collaboration with other tice is to put up the information on countries like USSR and Poland who the notice board after a preliminary have done considerable work in the report is received and not on the basis field of mines s a f e t y both in coal and of a newspaper report. So, if the non-coal mines. I compliment the preliminary report takes a little time, Minister for his optimism that he then that much time is taking in put­ wants to bring down the accidents to ting it up on the notice board. But, zero level. That will be an ideal in this case, apart from the case of state of affairs. But to me, it does not Tara, the information was received appear from the figures that accidents only on the 25th and the preliminary fare r e a l l y going down whether in coal report was received o n l y today. The or non-coal mines. So, special efforts accident took place on the 22nd even­ 8n the part of the Minister besides ing at 6 P.M. The information about calling the Mines Safety Review com­ it reached the Regional Director of mittee, are needed like taking special Mines, Safety, at Ajmer on 23rd at measures against private exploiters 2 P.M. in the afternoon. The Regional who are using non-coal mines like Director of Mines, Safety, immediate­ limestone, dolomite, etc. and making ly set out for the site of the accident the law more stringent. and reached there at 2 A.M. 0n the 24th and the information was received SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: My by us on the 25th and today we have hon. friend made a reference to what received the first preliminary report he described as certain lack of con­ on the basis of which I made the cern about safety on the part of the statement before the House. Director-General of Mines, Safety. I think this is not a charitable descrip- Then, he referred to the non-coal tion. The whole purpose of the Dir­ mines in general. I appreciate the ectorate-General of Mines Safety, is point made by the hon. Member. Be. to ensure safety. That is their cause the conditions of these mines objective; that is their charter and vary, the precautions necessary for that is what is expected of them. the s a fe t y vary, the vulnerability to Therefore, any lack of concern diseases and accidents varies, it is for safety on their part would be necessary for us and it is useful if we something which would be inexcus­ can classify them separtely as dolo­ able. I do not think the hon. Member mite mines, lime-stone mines and perhaps meant to make a blanket other mines that he referred to and allegation of that kind but that he give the sketch of safety measures as wanted to emphasize the need fo make well as steps taken to prevent acci­ the organisation more effective and to dents in these mines separately. It ensure that the officers in the organi­ shall be the effort of the Ministry to sation have not only the awareness of provide such information in future. law but also a constant awareness of He also referred to the working the human aspact of the problem fend conditions and pointed out that four the gravity of the problem. of the persons who lost their lives !He referred to the fact that as far were women. It is not that I was as the accident which occurred at trying to hide this fact. My state­ Tara on 81st March was concerned, ment did not give the break-up sex- there "was some delay in putting up wise. But I did say that the number th« information on the notice board. of deaths was what it was. This Is an In fact, this morning again he referred open-cast mine. In the case of open- 343 Mine aed&ent APlttL 29, llrfS near Kota, (CA) 344 A. *> » - ... w ..<*»■ «■ [Shri Ravindra Varxna] wpwu m m iwsr w iv rt «r*nci cast mines, there is no law, as the * f t t w r v$ hon. Member knows, which prevents women from working. Therefore, no arrtort % »tpt fr*rw?f rule has been violated by the deploy­ % fat* iW ftf % ?rw ft fa ^ H ^ift sfafa can do to provide training in safety t arr sfTO sn^rCt | tffa: measures to create measures, to create awareness in safety measures and rerfeyrft | have an effective machinery to ensure % w r ^ft*t vrnrr *t*tt *rft adherence to safety measures will «rrr, *rf%r^JTfr*ft % TT Tt l ifPnor « ft (firstfh:) : % f^nr ?nft> aw «ptf 5

    f «n*rr g fa thought that comes to one’s mind is the possibility 0r the feasibility of w a** wr^«n ? using the instrument of insurance to cover such risks. It has been done in «w*t *w «r * *W5T $ fa some cases and in the case of coal­ (jRfrcr ?^wr «r %*pt £4d*tnft *fft miners or miners in other minas it has not been possible for us to tak» «m r 1?r*fV wpff $r gforrof wft recourse to the method of insurance wnvmff ®pt fiFj ?r> tt *pt f ir m % fact that it has been in existence for quite some time does not prove that srfgyrft «ft i srcm it is not a bogus society. But the li­ o tt | fa aft tftara# & gft cence for mining was given to this q^3rsrSr«Fft«ft*rFsrgv society quite a few years ago and for the third time it was renewed in 1975 viwi jpuT i Tir®r «rr for five years. But the nature of the fa wftmr£t I i $ ift starro^t % society will certainly be looked into % vfamtfCT spp *rr %tpc- in the course of the investigation. T$T ff If tfTM'dl $ fa Now, the other question he raised tfHsrratft *fFsff | srorr §3 ww whether the government has any «pt ifW®T | i 5 ffrar Plan to establish a fund from which ^?rr*r ?n£lr f w % \ ^w»t htt m compensation can be paid. In the qutiftla* of all accidents the first vtnpr i t vtimtfor vr 347 Mine accident APRIL 2i, 1078 im t Kota (CA)

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    W fW f*WW VEWt If v t ^ of the Mines Act Now, it is m y clear that the Regional Office of the «rt*t I D.G.M.S. took the action that should SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: I know be taken after inspection under Sec­ that tiie hon. Member ‘is very well tion 22. In spite of this, the mine was informed about matters in the region continuing to work. from which he comes and I am very glad that he has given some further The prosecution of the Manage­ information. But 1 would like to as­ ment was held up for the reasons si­ sure him that as far as the Ministry milar to what my hon. friend has re­ and the Government are concerned, ferred to, that the office-bearers of there is no question of our trying to the Society were changing and it was shield any one who is guilty, but to not possible for the office-bearers to punish those who are guilty, informa­ be spotted in time for action to be tion is necessary and guilt must be taken during that year. The case was proved and those who are guilty must filed against the society but for five be punished according to the law pres­ years this litigation was going an. My cribed in that behalf. hon. friend may perhaps be interested to know this, that in 1973, a case was Now the hon. Member has given filed against this society. After 3 some information about the Society. I years of investigation in the year must state that it is a co-operative 1978, they were found guilty and they society. Some other hon. members were fined a paltry sum of Bs. 1. said that it was a fake or bogus co­ operative society. We will enquire Therefore, Sir, all these things into the whole question of society and show that it is necessary lor us to go if it is found necessary to take the into this question very thoroughly and help of C.B.I. or any other Agency, that we should utilise every step that we will certainly take the help of can be utilised in this regard, to en­ every Agency to go into the matter in sure that those who are found guilty depth and to find out who are res­ should be punished. ponsible and those who are respon­ sible will be punished. tt hwtI*h.i s>tfar He raised the question about the statements of those who were injured VPT 7^ 2T, ¥T* it iTcft SFT in the accident. I would like to in­ *PJT | ? form him that the investigators have recorded statements of 24 or 25 wor­ kers who were in the hospital. Even SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: There, in case of some who were not in a I think, the hon. Member is not total­ condition to make the statement, the ly correct. He mentioned about chil­ statements are being recorded subse­ dren who are not adults having been quently. employed in the mines. We have come to know after full enquiry that there Then he raised the question of safety is only one case of this kind. Whe­ of mine. I would like to tell him—if ther it is one or more, of course, the he does not know already—that the guilt is the same. 1 am not therefore Director did inspect this mine as late pleading that they are not guilty. All as 8th April, 1977. Shri Mukherjee, I can say is that there will be a full the Joint Director of Mines (Safety) investigation. has inspected it and afterwards Show Cause Notice was issued to the Man­ agement of the Society on 21sl April, Every instrument necessary for a 1 * 7 7 a* to why they were going on in­ full investigation into the matter will fringing the Order under Section 22(3) be utilised for this purpose. 351 Z><* 1978-7# Min. AFBO. 88. MT8 Of H it* Ajatrs 352

    (0hsl BaviBdra Vattna} w rcffJ«re3fi*r#nw ^***M i If It is found necessary that there iptc titf tittt *rr iwnr M h f sfWT t« should be a Court o* Inquiry or a Judicial Inquiry into this matter, we a t * ** % f w F f t * $ t i r ff i * will not hesitate to appoint such a v $ t t fa * * **i* f w m *n»r ^ body. fw vsr tit arhr faqr »nrr $ fa f* * tit u t t t | r tit f * fawfcnfr w t *f; w * 18J 9 hie. f*r fanhntt ^r, ?ft fff DEMANDS FOR GRANTS, 1978-7*- faqT # r r , femrT *i4*u(t C o n td . tit Tj^pfri M in is t r y o f H o m e A ffairs — contd. c MR. CHAIRMAN The House will now resume further discussion on the fa ^ VfT (, V^PT Demands for Grants relating to the irtmrdte *%t ^ fftwr fan^^Rf % Ministry of Home Affairs. w *wr | i ^r vt^ Now, Shri M Satyanarayan Bao V P T 5^ VT TOT I I W VtftVFT w i % i sft W TWtKHW TTW (^fW - tto %$( ^ smR faPwsr * m ) w i # v rsr ft*? w kft*r fn f^T lr T v f r z ^ | f a f¥5res< w *nrr *r ^ t i # ^ t t jprft^TT % m fa * f *rnr q$r ffr i % fa* snrfaRtff f - % * f frft*rc«T 9 11 9 **Tf^r jj fa i f Hwa ft»rr, f f a ? r «t m > ft «p* wsft ftf & m % iff! srtf I ^ t >p t t | f , ^ T t

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    [fihri A< Bala Planar? hoping. We w* also responsible wish the Horn* Minister speedy re­ because we are ruling two States covery from his illness. now. So, it is not a question of Tamilnadu and Pondicherry.... (In­ terruptions) I am not joking but I am Sir, 1 had a second call from our very serious on this subject. But any­ Chief Minister, Shri M. G. Ramachan- way, this is the complex that you have -dran about his anxious enquiry about created for the Home Minister, this the Home Minister and his prayer for kind of personality that you have his speedy recovery so that he can created for the Home Minister, that serve the nation better. nobody obeys him. 1 am not blaming the Janata Party because it is a party democracy that we are having, it j$ In the beginning, I want to place not a partyless democracy as contem­ one fact. I have been listening to plated by the great leader. Since you the speeches made by Members from are running the Government, your both the ruling as well as from the party performance, your activities are Opposition parties about the perform­ going to be reflected on the country. ance of this Ministry in our country Therefore, as long as this party demo­ for the past—I don’t like to talk of cracy is there, your party is also to gone by days as Mr. Kamath has done conduct itself better in this House. —thirteen months and, perhaps, this So, I say this with vehemence___ number thirteen, according to English people is an unlucky number. Some (Interruptions) may be allergic to this number this being the thirteenth month. That is I cannot understand this because the reason There is so much of chaos. they cannot obey their leader. I say When we discussed about the law and this with utmost feeling because the order position in the country, I very Centre is ruled by a party, the Janata often heard from this side that they Party, its performance is to be refleet­ wait on praising the Home Minister ed in all the States. When it is reflect­ and were apprising the Home Minis­ ed in all the States, how these Members ter also and then they said that he conduct themselves would also be re­ was a second Sardar Patel and he is flected on those States. I have seen a man of iron will, I am afraid, Sir, the remarks on the Ministry in three that this comparison will not hold phases. First is the question of poli­ good because we have seen that a psy­ tical law and order. Second is the chology has not been created in this question at States administration in country. I feel that the Home Minis­ which, 1 think, I should not go into try is a ministry that has to create a in detail. Third is the language ques­ tempo in this country by its perform­ tion. I need not go into the subject ance, not only by its performance but because it is a fait accompli whereia also by its personality. By persona­ we come to the question of Centne- lity, I mean not the physical perso­ State relations. When it is a question nality of the Home Minister but the of law and order, we have to frame personality of the Home Ministry It­ certain set of rules and that must cone self which consists of the State Minis­ from the Centre for the States also to ters, others and so on and so forth. follow. The hon. Prime Minister has Unfortunately, after the Janata said that we are going to call for a Government’s coming to power—I conference. I cann’t understand that. am not going to compare it because That means we are accepting the fact thirteen months have already passed that parties who are part and parcel and, as I said earlier thirteen is an of the democratic system in this cm*n- unlucky number—this is the position. try are inducing this kind of violence Of course, 1 do not wish them bad, or law and order problem in this great X wish them gead. W* are sincerely itfed. ZHsMAso Ttlsaeotnmonlae' 357 D.G. 1978-7® Mm. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Horn* Affairt 359

    tor. The ‘goondas’ as we call in com* here as if it is a question that is to be non language or the anti-social ele­ discussed a platform for catchiaf ments, as politically and very cleverly votes. It is not for that. Here I re­ put in this House are the anti-Indians present my views, not only my perso­ who are existing in this country, it is nal views, but my party's views and a common factor employed by every I, as a responsible Member of Parlia­ political party whenever they want to ment, air my views so that the Home agitate. That may be the reason why Ministry will take note of it so that the Prime Minister has called for a the concerned people can care for it discussion on that. But that is not the If you want to solve the law and order case. I say, Sir, that in the Capital pi-oblem, I feel that there is a general City of Delhi, the law and order situa­ feeling in this country because imme­ tion has deteriorated. It has been diately after the elections, I read and accepted by most of the hon. Members. it was also mentioned in the report But when you take the crux of the that formally the Emergency came to problem, the root of the problem, you an end, formally we have put an end will find that the evil lies only in to MISA and formally we have put an small minorities. The problem is that end to all these things. All these ■you do not have the personality to things are 'formally' because we have control it. I do not mean the Home not taken it spiritually or in our heart Minister has not got the personality of hearts. That is the reason why we to control it. Tor example, may I say, say that these things ought to be put Sir, that the hon. Home Minister, Mr. an end to. You have not taken it very "Charon Singh, must have the perso­ seriously. For example when we al! nality from Kanyakumari to Kashmir came to this House, we had a feeling because I feel that this country is one? of relief that nobody was spying oa T want it to be one and because if us, because some Members of Con­ -tihe integrity and solidarity of the gress (I), Congress Members and country are to be maintained, he must C.P.I. members will agree with me have the personality from Kanya­ when I say that even in the Central kumari to Kashmir. That is missing Hall we used to have a fear, a feeling In this country after the great Pandit when we were talking to each other Jawaharlal Nehru. Many of us have that somebody was spying on us. It Is accepted outside that Emergency was a relief now. But that relief has gone better. For what? The Emergency to goondas, dacoits and anti-social ele­ was better because there was disci­ ments also; it is being misused by pline, because your daughter and son them. That is why there are so many «ould go to schools safely. Emer­ law and order problems. Sometimes gency was better because some of the it is exaggerated. In Tamilnadu ft Harijans felt that their rights were is a auestlon of day and night orob- 'better protected. That is the reason lem for the Chief Minister. is why even among the ruling party, the most magnanimous of the Chief -some Members have felt.. (Interrup­ Ministers in this country. Within t tions) I am sorry to state thtat. There months, he has had to face 8 prob­ Is a feeling in this country now that lems. People who hsd ruled for # prior to this Janata rule, if you com­ years, oeotrie who had r»*1ed for 12 pare, those said 19 months were bet­ vear». thev are behind that trouble. ter because of the bed performance of I do not know whether tMs Hou«* hud the subsequent Government. So, we known the fwrmors* aritatln«i In Tamil* have to analyse and re-examine it. T n»du: In th» «io c t* f that agitation. know it Is a talking shop. But it is 1* hridd** shrftot o»rt. miner not * shop for me, it is a body where bHdmw aw* three mslor bridge* were •we mutest for elections. I feel at thrown off rteooV who had *m~ static wry much pained when I find munffloim and faHHMec to i w ( t # *otne of the hon. Members put for. wm break ♦*»# law and ordsr. i their salient points and discuss Tt is because of the relief that he* 959 D.O. 1T O W M ». APRIL 91. 1978 cf B*m Afloif.

    tSbrt A. Bala Fajanor] A* far a* Scheduled Caste* and come to such people. That if why Tribes ase concerned, a lot of lip ser­ tfcara moat be personality, for the vice is. paid to them. Z know condi­ Home Minister in the Centre. They tions pretty well; 99 per cent of us. *ay it Is a state problem and it is not come from villages. In villages we a central problem. These technical keep them segregated clustered in some arguments will not do any good to part. We- may give them a place and. help the country. Mr. Namboodiripad facilities but they are kept segregated is making reference to Bangla Desh; in one side of the village or tows. if things are allowed to proceed as Why don’t you mix them up in the they do now I am afraid we are middle of the villages? Only then marching towards that kind of situa­ you can have classless society. tion. I am not saying it sarcastically. But if you cannot get a personality, CHOWDRX BALBIR SINGH (Ho- that is the difficulty. To understand shiarpur): What have you done? a problem of a localty, for the Home Ministry it takes 20 days or 40 days, SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: We have if the Minister is not from that area. taken steps in Tamil Nadu. The pre­ If he comes from Bihar he knows vious regime of Mr. Karunanidhi built about Bihar; if he comes from U.P. or some 50,000 tenements for Schedu'ed Kashmir he knows about U.P. or Kash­ Castes, that was done in hamlets and mir; he is not able to appreciate men­ they were kept in the same society. tally the problem in other areas. It I challenge that even for 100 years it is time you appointed ten state minis­ will not change, unless you change ters from each state so that the minis- your heart and mix them up. Some try can understand the conditions and Members from the Janata party said there will not be this kind of argu­ that it was better for us to improve ment that it is a state problem or it their economic condition, classifications is not a central problem. can be made and facilities could be given, because the sons of IAS officers are becoming IAS officers. I do agree Many Members from West Bengal that their conditions should improve spoke vociferously about the centre- But what is the real malady? It is state relations. Shri Kanwar Lai fact that this country is nourishing Gupta said that if we were thinking the caste system. Parties are practis­ of one country, it was a question of ing it not only ideologically but in thinking of States first. In Tamil practice also. For elections you think Nadu or Pondicherry we feel that of majority caste, for getting minis** your personality must be magnifying, terships you are thinking of castes national personality. You are sup­ both in the Centre and the States. But porting us; we are supporting you; as what are you preaching from the high­ far as the Janata Government is con­ est Platform. You are speaking from cerned, we want to give a helping ->the highest platform that you want to hand and I am grateful to the Central abolish the caste system. But if you Ministers and the CMitral Government take the reports and go through them because you are showing sympathy and even in the Draft Flan, 2 see that and consideration. But your local you want to give more facilities to the units, how do they behave? If you Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. have no control over them, it is time That is a bad thing. that democracy is going to shambles. So long aa we are having party de­ mocracy, you cannot have partyleas I would like to say one more thing vision. I request the hon. Home Min­ We must have the 19*2 elections as a ister to vftsw it in that perspective ahd nation and not compartment-wise. I to her** the picture of India as one would like to say somethin* about the fcr m m language frolicy faecauaa the Bom* 361 D.G. 1*78-78 Iffe. VAISAKHA 8, IWO (SAKA) of Horn* Affair* 30*

    Ministry covers everything. Four days SHRI H. L. PATWABY (Mangalorj; ago, I read In the papers that you are On a point of clarification. Asking every Deputy Secretary to ft * ** *rj vixf learn Hindi compulsorily. I went through the report also and I am also *?TT $ 1 a Member of the Official Languages SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: I do not Committee. Actually you are compel­ understand what he says. I cannot ling the people to learn Hindi and you follow. I have equal rights like you have not made it voluntary. Your re­ and I have more responsibilities than port shows how clevjerly you are going you people. I know what it is. Do through the process. You say that you not dismantle this country. I warn want to honour the assurances given you seriously. by Jawaharlal Nehru. You say: "We SHRI H. L. PATWARY: I am not a are happy to say that we are going to Hindiwala. (Interruptions) .maintain the traditions of this country and we will not Balkanise it.” But SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: Do not when you see the report, you will And pretend to be patriotic and do not pay that a step-motherly treatment is be­ lip service. This law and order prob­ ing given. I am sorry to say that the lem is there because you are having Prime Minister th e other day, b e ca u se the British system. The Common man «of the encouragement given by some is afraid to go to the Collector or to Members, when I was speaking during the Inspector of Police. He is threaten- the discussion on the motion of thanks ed and scuttled. Irrespective of tto the President’s address said that it whether it is Janata Government or any Government which is in power, will be more partriotic to speak in Hindi. I want to know how if a person the common man is very much afraid speaks in his mother tongue, he is not of the system that is existing against patriotic. I am able to understand which those people are revolting and Sihari’s thinking, Kashmiri’s thinking you are not trying to shake it up. You blame the bureaucracy. What caa and follow Punjabi's thinking because «xf English and I get the national spirit they do? You give them the Rule* Book and you ask them to follow. because of English. I am able to give citations from Allahabad or Patna Then, why do you blame them? They High Court Judgment or even Supreme are your obedient servants. Today Court Judgment because of English the Janata Government may be there, and not because of any other language. day after tomorrow the Communist It is so not only for me, but for many Government may be there or some people. Let me not become very other Government may be there; but sentimental on this issue, t was very they are the humble servants of the much shocked when you are blaming Government. Let us not spoil this fhe bureaucracy for the law and order Ministry by our irrelevant, unreason­ able and uncharitable remarks. If you problem in this country, but you ate want to have better administration having the British traditions and rules and unify this country, let us not and you are having the British goonda- blame the administration of the Oft» ism in your minds. That is the reason why you are suffering from this mala­ cers unnecessarily. I stand for them. They are following the rules given by dy. I appeal to the Home Ministry you and they are only public servants, not to reopen this language controver­ Government-servants. We are the sy. It is high time to go into the methods, m a t is the system that you masters. axe having? You are having your Finally I want to mention on* more collectors, police inspectors, so and on thing. The Central Government or the and so forth. I appeal to you. Sir,.... Home Ministry must take serious note a-nUrruptiont) I am being disturbed. of maintaining the law and order for The entire lystem is of the British which a number of enactments Are to order,’ be made by tile Centre, not touching fife 963 D.G. 1978-70 Min. APHIL 31 1978 of Home Affair* ^

    [Shri A. Bala Pajanor] ment, when the advice is not BifrtKl Tights of the States and for that, 1 and the advice is saldom accept­ suggest, let there be many more Chief ed, why do you want to volunteer Minister’s Conferences, many more the advice that he should step down? Home Ministers’ Conferences and ypu » right-thinking per£n like share your ideas with them and take Shn Hitendra Desai feels that our them into confidence and by that you Prime Minister is not the capta" can have a peaceful, amicable and of the team but merely the convener. nice legislation. As far as Delhi police is concerned, I lost my purse last time. SHRI HITENDRA DESAI (GodhraV I gave a complaint. Two years have Do you agree with that? passed and nothing has happened. SHRI S. D. PATIL: I do not agree That is the system you are maintain* and I very much repudiate it. These ing. Let me not have to come and feelings are born out of frustration say, “I have lost my entire possession and 1 have to complain and wait for and demoralisation which are found because the Janata Party had ended the next Government!” the hegemony of the previous rule THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE That is why it is this dissatisfaction MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS and demoralisation that is working on (SHRI S. D. PATIL): Sir, I am great­ the mind of the opposition. ly indebted to those hon. members who 16.54 hrs. have wished my senior colleague a [Mr. Deputy-S peaxer in the Chair] speedy recovery. It is a great para­ dox that in their criticism, they have Some important issues were raised almost wished a civil death for him in during the debate. Many of the issues asking him to step down from the will be replied to by my colleague who ministry. I do not understand the is concerned with law and order situa­ logic of these statements. I do under­ tion. I would only say. this country stand that the opposition has got a should adopt the British pattern of right to criticise, but that criticism taking the government as their own must be constructive and also very re­ government. The opposition should levant While the import of the cut criticise the government when ever it motion is to suggest an alternative is possible, but do not the opposition remedy if this government is not run­ owe a duty that this is our Govern­ ning well or according to the expecta­ ment, the Indian Government, Just tions of the hon. members, what is the like the Britishers say, “this is our alternative they are suggesting? If government” to whichever party they their suggestions are not constructive may belong? We have not got this and if they an all barren, I think it idea. You are separating the govern­ will not be of any use merely crlticis* ment from the people. The fortunate- ing the policy of the government. It thing is that we are not having a is a fortunate thing that this country monopoly in all the States. Severftl has got a very able dean and experi­ States have got different political com­ enced administrator like the one we plexions. Law and order situation is have got in our Home Minister. there, but none of like members on Because he Is very firm, unbending that side has criticised the law and and not amenable to various flexibili­ order situation in Tamil Nadu, Andhr* ties, that is why he is criticised too Pradesh, Karnataka and Maharashtra. much. I do not understand why the They are in the know of these things, criticism should be centred round one but deliberately there is an attempt to man only because the cabinet system censure this government and cast a of government works collectively. Sup­ Slur on the government, when law pose the minister is not found suit­ and order situation is not really deteri­ able according to the opposition and orating. It Is only the newspaper pub­ the opposition, do have some righfi licity—the press is free, as you knew, to ask for a change In the govern* end freedom is there. What* tacts 3*5 D.Q. im -1 9 Min. VAISAKHA 6, 1800 (5AKA) o/ Home Afrit* 366

    •re cited in support, them facts are play in the hands of bureaucracy, but not believed. You say, "You are there are certain well developed pre­ throwing in our face only the statis­ judices against the bureaucracy. We tics.” As you all know, facts are must shed them all. The bureaucracy sacred and comment is free. So, when no doubt is not the old bureaucracy. you grudge facts, I do not understand Mrs. Ahilya Rangnekar will bear with why. Unless you show that the facts me that it is not that old bureaucracy. which are provided in this House are Now, the bureaucracy is becoming misleading, are deliberately false, more and more people-oriented. otherwise what is the criteria to judge We have been interpreting that whether the situation is deteriorating principle in this. We have been or not? That is why I say, we do not holding meetings with them and want to brandish facts only in order telling them that unless and until to lessen the seriousness of the situa­ they have taken the mass-oriented tion. No, that is not the point. Only view of the whole administration, it in comparision we want to show that will not be easy for them to control the statistics are like this. the country. So, they are doing it, but you cannot change them overnight. Coming to the other points which Rome was not built in a day. It will are raised about the role of our All- take its own time. (Interruptions) Now, the whole wrath that is heaped India Services, particularly carping upon the bureaucracy is because of criticism is made against the IAS and the Emergency in which they were EPS. Particularly these are the two faced with a particular situation. They Services which are made the butt-end might not have acted properly. Natu­ of criticism and 1 want to humbly take rally, we do expect that such an In­ the House into confidence that ever telligent! a, the cream of the society, Since I have taken over as the Minis* should have at least shown some sort ter of State in charge of Department of courage. But, you know, it is the of Personnel and Administrative Be* bane of the Service that servicemen forms, I dare say that in the beginning are not courageous as far as we can I had my own misgivings about the bureaucratic role. I have come to see. We always want them to be fear­ less. It is difficult to be tearless be. feel—not that I am in any way being cause they have to work under certain praised by anybody. But my own role discipline. But by and large those who is, also very critical because I am by are at the top—-I do not know the offi­ profession a lawyer and I am coming cers at the bottom level, maybe in car. to the Ministry for the first time after tain cases what you say is true in the 40 years of my public life. So, it is higher echelons of the Services are not that we are guided by somebody, concerned, they are amenable to dis­ but we must also give them their due. cipline. On many occasions I have Many people are prejudiced. Let us seen that they really play the role of keep an open mind about the services. a senior adviser to the Minister. This If you go on criticising the Service* must be said to their credit. (Interrup­ saying they are bad, they an all per­ tions) My hon. friend is always very sons who pull the wires, they are the impatient in the sense that unless he persons who make and unmake Minis­ is made the Minister, he will not be ters, that is not the fact. It sll de­ amenable to discipline. Unless he Is pends upon the capacity of the Minis­ wnrto the Minister, he will not realise ter also. It cannot be forgotten that the role of the Minister then. From as the horse knows who is the rider, a glass bouse we cannot throw 90 also the bureaucracy. They also stones at each other.. (Interruptions). kn ow who is their Minister. But if you are really studious and critical m your own judgment, then 1 do not MR. DKPUTY’ SPSAKKR: Order tfatnk that bureaucracy lean play you |H tray they Ukt> Ons cannot please*. 367 D.G: 1978-79 Min. APRIL' 26. 197"8 of HOme Affairs 368' 369' D.G. 1978-79 Min. VAIS~ i 17 hI'S. In certain respects they are as efficient Commission had presented one I as the other Service. It' can be said port on Personnel . Administrati SHRI S. D. PATIL: There were that they are sometimes more so, whereas he says there were th; points raised that the 3 Services recom- because, there were persons here in the .such reports. The position with ; mended by the States Reorganization ICS cadre, and some of the IAS peo- gard to this point is as follows. '] Commission have not been given the ple have superseded them, and they Administrative Reforms Commisso status of All India Services viz., the have gone to the top. -submitted 20 reports to the Gove: Indian Service of Engineers, the Indian merit. Only one of these 20 repo Medical and Health Service and the Another point was raised by one of is captioned Report on Pe'rsonneL.1 the hon. Members. Indian Forest Service. The Indian ministration and it is just POS]i Forest Service has already been con- ;that the hon. Member may have stituted and people are being recruited SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: -view the three reports prepared for that Service through UPSC exami- You were replying to me. the Study Teams of the ARC,co nations. Though it was considered ted with personnel administrati SH'RI S. D. PATIL: I will reply. essential, in the past, to give the two 'Those three Study Groups mil There was the Cut Motion No. 86 Services, viz., the Indian Service of have submitted three reports wh] which said: Engineers and the Indian Medical might have been compiled into and Health Service the status of All 01 India Services we now feel since we "Need for creation of All India Shri Chatterjee made a strong pOI are now on the threshold of an era of and State. Cadre Services for tribal decentralization-and the thinking and areas such as Indian Tribal Service -about the control which the Staj have over All India Service office the decision of the Government is and State Tribal Service," lIe is a very senior and compet~ this-that in view of our policy of de- lawyer. The position regarding centralization, it is not desirable to Article 312 contemplates All India Ser- Tndia Service officers is like tl constitute these two Services, viz., the vices, If we want to introduce sec- As far as major penalties are C' Indian Service of Engineers and the tional Services for certain areas, it -cerned, the Centre has got so Indian Medical and Health Service, will not be of an all-India character, .powers about taking disciplinary a into all-India Services. The role of because the role of an all-India service. tion. In all other matters the an All India Service, particularly of is to maintain the integrity and unity sd 'Governments have gener;l contl IAS and IPS, is regulated by the Con- of India. They are the persons who -over the IAS and IPS officers. stitution, under Article 312, sub-clause are above really political considera- (2) and they are recognized as All- tions. They are the persons who are India Services, by Parliament. They guarantee-j that there is a sense ai SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJ were created by our late, great Sardar security about their services and th~ cOnly ,for their transfers. in October 1946, knowing full well are the persons who bring about ad- their responsibilities. India . had in ministrative unity and provide a linJt SHRI S. D. PATIL: Even for ~ him the most competent administrator between the States ana the Centre. :putation, unless the States give clei any country has ever had. He had That is why these services are maia- -ance or okay our demand, we do given an integrated picture of the tained. If you want to create sectional zinsist on that. whole country to us, and he had services, it will only encourage or pro- recommended them. He was very par- voke fissiparous tendencll'3 for the- ticular about the constitution of these separation of tribal areas because the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJ~ Will you agree that without the two Services, which came into being tribal areas are an integral part of d as a result of his endeavours. Now In

    :ain respects they are as efficient Commission had presented one re- merit list. If an officer is posted te other Service. It can be said port on Personnel . Administration, his own State, he may create Hnla ley are sometimes more so, whereas he says there were three for himself. So, in order to create ie there were persons here in the .such reports. The position with re- the all India outlook, we go by this adre and some of the IAS pea- gard to this point is as follows. The roster system, whicn is a perfect sys- ave' superseded them, an they Administrative Reforms Commission tem, where officers belonging to one ~one to the top. -submitted 20 reports to the Govern- state are allowed to work in other ment. Only one of these 20 reports States. ther point was raised by one of is captioned Report on Pe'rsonnel Ad- on. Members. ministration and it is just possible SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): ;that the hon. Member may have in You can say that normally it is the U SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: view the three reports prepared by practice to consult the states. vere replying to me. the Study Teams of the ARC connec- ted with personnel administration. SHRI S. D. PATIL: As far as the RI S. D. PATIL: I will reply. 'Those three Study Groups might Tole of RAW is concerned, it is not was the Cut Motion No. 8i have submitted three reports which directly under the Home Ministry. I said: might havs been compiled into one. It is under the Cabinet Secretariat and with the Primj, Minister. It Need for creation of All India Shri Chatterjee made a strong point might have engaged in anti-democra- l Stat~ Cadre Services for tribal tic activities in the past but, as far as such as Indian Tribal Service -about the control which the States nave over All India Service officers. as the present working of the RAW 1 State Tribal Service." He is a very senior and competent is concerned, it does not giva that sort of picture. . lawyer. The position regarding all Ie 312 contemplates All India Ser- lndia Service officers is like this. If we want to introduce see- As far as major penalties are con- SHRI DINEoNBHATTACHARYA: i Services for certain areas, it cerned, the Centre has got some (Serampore): What is the functioa not be of an all-India charact:r, llowers about taking disciplinary ac- of the RAW? use the role of an all-India ser~ce tion. In all other matters, the State maintain the integrity and umtr 'Governments have general control SHRI S. D. PATIL: It is not for adia. They are the person~ whG over the IAS and IPS officers. me to say that, because it is not above really political consldera- strictly under me. s. They are the persons who are :anteed that there i~ a sense at SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Only ,for their transfers. About police verification of eharac- rit about their servIces and the,' ter, it is very essential. Until 'and. th~ persons who bring about ~d- .., id link: unless we verify the. character of a istrative unity and provl e a SHRI S. D. PATIL: Even for de- person, it will not be safe for securit, veen the States and the Cen~re. putation, unless the States give clear- and other reasons also to appoint t is why these services are ~al.- ance or okay our demand, we do not him. ed. If you want to create sectIonal .insist on that. rices it will only encourage or pro- e fi~siparous tendendl'5 for the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJE»: SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Political views. u:ation-of tribal areas because the Will you agree that without the con- al areas are an integral part of· eurrence of the State Government ia. Allowin1, the creation of sa!.'ll 'you will not change those officers? SHRI S. D. PATIL: No, that is not vices would only lead to fissiparo~ seen. We see his previous antece- dencies. So. -he Gc.vernment IS SHRI S. D. PATIL: As far as IAS dents, whether he is a man of bad in favour of that. 'and IPS are concerned, they are all character. There are a number of 'India services and the officers belong- people with different political persua- sions. Ihri Kamath, a senior 'Member, ing to those services have to develop } i o was also a member of the ARC, 'an all-India outlook. So, we have d that there were three reports. to shift them from place to place. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYA: cording to our information, it had 'There is a roster system whereby 50 For political reasons, how can y01J. en mentioned in the papers circu- 'Per cent of the incumbents are taken debar them? ed to the members of the Consul- ·fromthe State according to the merit live Committee vf the Home Minis- list and the other 50 per cent from MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let WI that the Administrative Reformll .outside the State according to the have peace for a while. 371 D.O. 1W8-W Mm. APRIL 24. 1W8 of ; 37*

    SHRI S. D. FATIL: As far as because they have not got the neces­ Pacing of the Shah Commission's sary background of education. That report on the 'Table of the House is is why the Home Ministry is giving concerned, it is being scrutinised aid to various institutions where they thoroughly by a panel of Secretaries. run pre-training classes for the sche­ They are coming out with certain duled castes and scheduled tribes suggestions for action. candidates to prepare themselves for SHRI HITENDRA DESAI: How the examination. The number has much time will you take? now gone up to 500 in the IAS and IPS services. It is not a small ad­ SHRI S. D. PATIL: Very soon, vance. It is really a very tangible after the Cabinet goes through all the result that we have achieved. I will recommendations. Hitendrabfaai not bother the House with statistics. should not have any misgivings on that account. We are very prompt. TW firwm «TKWPT (?T3f ^ T ) : AU the recommendations which are worth taking into consideration will ?r fotfto^ o # ?fr be clearly placed after the Govern­ f*r?r arr# $ tfto- srfwsr^ ment takes a decision. SHRI s. D. PATIL: We are only SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA concerned with the All India Servi­ (Delhi Sadar): Do you assure the ces. House that this report will be laid on the Table of the House? teR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You SHRI S. D. PAUL: It will be done address me. Do not get diverted by as early as possible. the comments around you. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Let us SHRI S. D. PATIL: The last point not keep on asking questions and ex­ is about decentralisation of adminis­ tending the reply, because there is tration. The Government agree that another Minister who is also to reply, for improving administrative effici­ and some Members also would per­ ency, decentralisation of administra­ haps like to participate. At Six tion and delegation of administrative O’clock the guillotine will be applied and financial powers to different deci­ You should be conscious of that. sion-making levels is desirable. The Prime Minister has written two letters SHRI S. D. PATIL: A point was to the State Chief Ministers, empha­ made that there is not sufficient re­ sising the importance of decentralisa­ servation for the scheduled castes and tion of administration and delegation scheduled tribes. From the figures of powers. He also emphasised sim­ given at pages 112 and 113 of the plification of rules and procedures Report for 1977-78 it lg quite dear and fixing time-limit and norms for bow the number is going up* It it a completion of various types of work. misfortune of this country that be­ The Prime Minister has also verbally- cause the scheduled castes and sche­ addressed the Secretaries to the Gov­ duled tribes candidates are not avail­ ernment of India on similar lines. able in good number.... The secretary. Department of Person­ SHRi H. L. PATWARY: It to not nel and Administrative Reforms, has correct held meetings with Secretaries of sevenai ministries to identify areas SHRI S. D» PATIL: The House where decentralisation and delegation will kindly bear with me. Certain can take place. As a result, a num­ criteria are laid down, certain marks ber of measures have been taken by •re prescribed by the UPSC. It is different departments. The Ministry unfortunate that many of the candi- of Finance have issued orders that all dfttei do not come up to the standard heads ctf detfarttnsnt* whose status 3TB D G **W-TO Min VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) o/ Home Again 374. is that of a Joint Secretary and above, are trying to take advantage of com­ should be delegated financial powers munal sentiments. The problem is vested in a Ministry. Powers of the neither being handled in a proper Heads of Departments are also to be manner nor it is planned in the delegated to heads of organisations Gandhian manner. The problem al­ who are of the level of Deputy Secre­ though very often voiced, has not yet tary and above. reached the planners of our Nation. The proximity to international SHRI AHMED HUSSAIN (Dhubri): boundaries of three countries, name­ Sir, while we are happy of our ly, China, Burma and Bangladesh, present Foreign Policy and the Gov* highlights north-eastern region stra­ ernxnent’s moving steadfastly o n im­ tegic location in the colourful map proving relations with our neigh­ of India. As 1 have already describ­ bours, we are very much puzzled on ed. the minority Muslims and rural the crowded end chaotic domestic and backward people who are settled front and instability of our own home in these border areas are not provid­ affairs. Ever since the Government’s ed with adequate protection. assuming office, crime rates are in­ creasing a n d lawlessness is prevailing The poor people of the district of everywhere in our country and the Goalpara who are living in the border Government has been incapable of islands of Brahmaputra valley are checking them at the proper time. dependent on each other and required Worst are the conditions of the down­ to exchange their products in the trodden, Harijans, Tribals and minor­ market for which they have to ferry ity Muslims of our country. So is on the river from one valley to the the condition o< the development other. The markets assemble once programmes at their disposal. People or twice a week and as such they are feeling more unsale now than have to exchange their products for during the time of emergency. (In­ their requirement for a week as they terruptions). have no other source of income. The B.S.F. people harass them and snatch away their goods saying that these The problems of minorities are are stolen goods from Bangladesh. I bound to vary from State to State want a categorical freply from the and even from district to district hon. Home Minister that this kind of The minority population of Assam is harassment should not take place about 40 per cen t among which a again. A D.O. letter written to the bulk of them are settled In the rive­ Home Minister in this regard has not rine areas and islands of Brahma­ yet been replied. putra. Their problems are numerous. This Section of minority people art I may also mention another point backward in all respects. Education that in the name of Bangladesh in­ has not yet penetrated in this section filtrator*, the B.S.F. are harassing the of the people, since there are few Muslim* who are living In the border schools and practically no colleges in areas. This matter should be looked these areas, their social conditions into. Again, some daeoitieg and cow* are hardly imaginable. The econo­ liftings are going on by gangs of mic disparity that persists in the Bangladesh Dacolte and B-SJf. bas minority community and other de­ failed to give adequate protection to privations have created a sense of the people living in border areas. frustration among these sections of This should be looked into. I would the people and this is exploited by request the hon. Home Minister to vested Interests and poor people are took into carafuJly. I want an very often used as tools for selfish assurance from the hon. Home Minis­ ends of vested interests. This is ter in this regard. teaQar eating up the very vits3s of S m awl a W H political pertta With these words, 1 coadu**. 375 D.G. 1W8-7* Min. APRIL 28. 1978 of H°m* Affair* 376

    SHRI BAKIN PERTIN (Arunachal Sir, this Bouse will not like to East): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, sir, the know, as I have not liked the fact great distance of Arunachal from that the Emergency continues to the corridors of power in Delhi and exist in Arunachal. While in the rest the time it takes to get there by of the country democracy and rule train and the non-too-satisfactory air of law and individual freedom have travel, may be one of the reasons been restored, Arunachal still remains why the Government and the general under the authoritarian rule off its public remain ignorant about the Lt. Governor, Shri K. A. A. Raja. .state of affairs there. This Pradesh This is a perpetual emergency in in the extreme north-eastern part of Arunachal. He has made Arunachal India has remained till today the land his personal domain. Here is a Raja of mystery and a paradise for Anth­ who continues to rule the territory ropologists only. As to the actual as if Arunachal were his personal working of the Government in this property. Far behind the facade of strategic area inhabited by tribes, the representative institutions, it is he Government end the public know who is actually at the control of practically nothing. I regret to affairs. His authoritarian rule sup­ say that the Home Ministry has ported by his tribal henchmen, has developed a tendency to derive all made a mockery of parliamentary information about Arunachal only institutions in that Pradesh. from the bureaucrats, functioning there practically without any super­ vision from the Home Ministry. It By an abuse of authority he has seems the Home Ministry has no use indulged in party-politics, and prac­ for information given by people’s re­ presentatives in this House. tised nepotism and favouritism to say nothing of waste of public money in maintaining his pomp and show befit­ ting his role as the Raja of Aruna­ I should also like to point out to chal. This can be seen from costly this House that an occasional flying gifts, including cars for his daughter’s visit of a Minister or a high function- marriage thpt he received from Messrs «axy of a political party to the main Goenka and Himmatsingka Companies towns of the Union Territory and his of Gauhati. For information of the superficial observation of things have House, during the emergency the done more harm to the tribal people Himmatsingka farm at Gauhati was of the area. I need hardly empha­ raided by the DIG of CBS, and in­ size the fact that before the Central criminating documents were found. Government acts to achieve uplift- But the report was hushed up at the meni of the tribal people, it should instance of Raja, by the said D.I.O. have correct information. The Home Ministry should learn to give more importance for the views of the re­ Raja's nepotism and favouritism presentatives of the people in the doubtless sprang from his weakness Parliament rather than those of the for army officers, it was made ob­ bureaucrats. If the Government is vious that ell vacancies carrying not to alienate the sympathy and higher salaries should be filled by support of the tribal people, it should arm y officers. I am not against ap­ pointment of people from outside the give due importance to the views of the tribal peoples themselves. It is Pradesh if they are found competent, positively dangerous to rely on in­ but what is objectionable is Raja’s regional affiliations which are most formation supplied by the bureau­ marked. crats, because they have built up « vested interest in preparation of bureaucratic rule over the Union Another dangerous development fa territory. Arunachal is the campaign against 377 HW-W Min. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Horn* Again *7*

    the Christian Church, which ia large* PPA were not allowed to enter the- ly Inspired by Raja. It has arisen polling booths to see whether im­ out of the canary spread by the partial and free voting was going on. Arunachal bureaucracy headed by Under the direction of the loou Baja during the last Vidhan Sabha Ministry, polling officers were reported elections, that the PPA is a Christian to have taught the simple village folk Party with foreign loyalty and foreign how to cast their votes in favour of source of money. Actually there is the local government whose actual leas than 2 per cent Christian ele­ head i8 the Lt. Governor. ment in the PPA. Thus for the first Incidentally, Sir, the present Arana, time in the history of Arunachal chal Ministry consists of the L t communal virus has been spread, and Governor’s henchmen, it was at his spread largely by the bureaucrats. instance that the entire lot of the For the last few years Christian erstwhile Congressmen of Arunachal churches are being burnt, and Christ­ were transformer into Janata Party ians have become targets of attacks. members and they are to-day in the About the nefarious role of the Lt. seats of power. The Party High Governor during the last Lok Sabha Command at New Delhi, I regret to elections, it is common knowledge in say, admitted them all without even Arunachal that he was actively in­ the formality of inquiring into their volved in them. He participated in past political antecedents or commit­ the election campaign using Air ment to the Janata ideology. I made- Force planes and helicopters, osten­ a representation to the Janata Party sibly for tour purposes, but actually President, Mr. Chandra Shekhar see* to campaign for Congress Party can­ king information as to how the entire didate. In his election campaign he body of Congressmen could be admit­ told the simple folk of Arunachal that ted into the Janata Party. “Indira Gandhi is our Divine Mother"; Arunachal thus presents an ex­ that the “Janata Party leaders were ample of rank political opportunism all CIA agents and supported by and utter lack of ideological commit­ American imperialists." ment of politicians. Overnight they As an elected representative of could change from Congressmen into Arunachal in this House, I have made Janata Partymen, and then back representations to the Home Minis­ again ‘ to Congressmen if the wheel try and the Prime Minister against of fortune turns once again in favour Raja’s abuse of power and his autho­ of the Congress. ritarian rule. But my representations have gone unheeded, because the This hag happened because politics Home Ministry relies on the same in Arunachal, as in other parts of ttureaucrafti of Arunachal and' not India, has become a lucrative pro­ peoples representatives. fession. Through politics one gets rich quick. That is why under the So long as a corrupt functionary authoritarian rule of the Lt. Gover­ remained at the control of affairs in nor, corruption, nepotism and Arunachal, there could be no free and favouritism are rampant in Aruna- fair elections. This is why before chel. The House will be surprised the Vidhan Sabha elections in Feb­ to know that wives and relatives of' ruary last, 82 Members of Parliament Arunachal Ministers have suddenly of both Houses sent a memorandum become owners of cinema halls, petrol on 8th August, 1977 to the Hbn'ble pumps, saw-mills and licencees for Home Minister demanding removal of various kinds of trade and business. the Lt. Governor Raja. This was Incidentally, according to my infor­ totally disregarded by the Hon’ble mation, this sort of political corrup~ Minister, As was to be expected, the tion first manifested itself in Orissa last Vidhan Sabha election in Feb- when wives and sons of Minister* ruary, the first of its kind was rigged. there emerged as big Industrialists, Shis la why polling agents of the company directors and pnpvMonr* 379 D.G. 1978-79 Min. APRIL 26. 1978 of Home Affaire 380

    [Shri Bakin Pertin] ♦nvfflw trror, fo •of big concerns. By contagion the t f t r v w w f m «m m rte r disease has spread to Arunachal as well. In Arunachal, in all these busi­ TO TOT ^ fiT^T fWT tq'W I % ness enterprises of Ministers, wives W R T I %ftX. ^ W C and relatives, the I»t. Governor has frfcwrsftsrS *Ff«TT, *fNr*prr % * F * r his finger in the pie. trptffar vr *ft ^ «tt i fa fir

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    9 ^ 9 mw J v r • ^Pwnr Sft- ttfiffrW JJtJttm wrfm wFn *ft J t aw iri# I, ^ **£? s*w *t £**r*n¥ ntft«rf?ftrT% *m | I $*TPft ftWIT ^ | tft tftr vfT f v «rftr «fto wrr« <#Vo (W) ’ift’ tit fNfir vr^[ ^ w?ft 1 ?9ftrr#f!|Tfrfjf«pfiTfiRr fNfir ^ MR SPEAKER We have to finish *nrei firft |, vhi% t 1 don’t disturb him At 6 O’ clock, the guillotine has to be applied. SHRI SAUGATA ROY (Barrack- «fr m l % fk & ft jfir o % arwr pore) He is getting excited «fV fwRfr vlr w r ^ r >pt «rtr wr?T fv \ltil 5f?w w ZZT t I MR SPEAKER Don’t excite him! ^ ^ H ?rt hM^I wftrwr arnr arwfV | *rVt sft Ufajl flTPT ^ T^TSTT ?I71> m r^ ^ v t 1TVT9RT WRfr f*F ®r«rf'T *ry *r«®r5WTKq,>pt fsr^rrft t *T5 f®RWRT t ’ $ ^f«FT f^ R T snrrcr % w tfa f^rr ^5TTt ffeft *RT5r^f!T sift «FVTT^ J t «ft % jt? ’ttot ?>ft % g> t w sr»r ft w4t m zt r f t % jw vrw$ 1 «FPT fT ^tfoag «TT%E^ ^ | ?ft T$t 3R?TT qr^ f^ -^ r f^TR f*r t 1 ?ft ^*rnnr W ^TFTT f^TT I 5R^r ?ft % art *f% ^mrr ^ at f*»T% sxrw ST SS?T Jfift «ft « r t m € ?rmrt % «!T I W t ?T?f fjfT5R> * trPT# t t sn farfwr % ^ *r rnrm ^ J t wrut «rriTf JTrr^ir^^Tsn^pT^I «r? t p t I f r n*r sr|fr m w e * I tnr & q s r o s sftrf 1 ^ t $t Bfrsrift $ & tt ^ rfaifof % ^ ?ft*ft t o ? $ jt jfa ?r$ *fr MR SPEAKER Sub-judice please, R 7 ssrihB £ 1 i n ^ r m m r ^ ^rtf^n « w t J t 1f^rr % ?n??r ?r*r *rt s*r wi**»V ^ ttott *rm rt vt t^r f , H t erfvir »r**w. If » j| [ iRft afy ^ w w t *?t f «*rf r w $ r $fr*rm % % ant % v n v t •Idl'fl 'TT^TT ^ fjp I[5 *n*Sr Jr fh stft ?rny % *rry?rrf<.j>r ^^3nfw«rar^%^f2rrtsfV| 1 f 1 *!T3»ft»Tro?Tt%tor $% wtmfTl ir^vgrarRT wn?rr j f v ’ ftsrft VfTf^ftr^ s r w r TT5®r wrr for* wt«t ^ arrfir awwr % Ttr $ *rR*far a m V J t f w *ftr i^h 19 5 6 ?w«ro vn^wwr %^fY*r »iT m *r?r*r *1# r $ J t ststpt »Wt ^ ?nr W tfft I xPnft f^PWT J t f a r % faq ?mpr % qv w ftwr fawn* iq fft « f r ** * f wm $ 1 Srfinr *n? aft rm nr fv x m fftirr «fir%¥ if n?ff % fi»* w m ti m ffafirfir awwr ftw n «rt q fa r t f m fiwr 1 wfcftn?«ni*»rinw**Nr?ft am? 1 **r w n «#• awnfinwi J t fir I t 1 *w * w nfrft «mft | ** * m % J t n Q w i t qr 1 385 D.G. 1978-79 I ff* VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Home Affairs

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    , MR SPEAKER: I want five MR. SPEAKER; I shall now put cut minutes lor putting the demands to motions Nos. 3 and 7 to 10 moved by the vote of the House. Shri Dhondge.

    SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I strongly Cut motions Nos. 3 and 7 to 10 toere protest. The Prime Minister should put and negatived. have replied. They are making a mockery of parliamentary democracy MR. SPEAKER; I will now put the .... (Interruptions) cut motion No. 5 moved by ProL Shibban Lai Saksena to the vote of SHRI SAUGATA ROY; I oppose the House. the guillotine. The debate has not been concluded; I oppose the guillo- Cut motion No. 5 was put and tine---- (Interruptions) negatived. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Manoranjan MR. SPEAKER: Unless the House Bhakta, are you withdrawing your extends the time, I have to put the cut motions? demands to vote now___(Interrup­ tions). Your opposition has been re­ SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: corded. No, Sir.

    SHRI SAUGATA ROY; It is a MR. SPEAKER: l will now put question of disrespect to the august the cut motions Nos. 27 to 47 moved House; this is a very big discussion. by Shri Manoranjan Bhakta to the vote of the House. MR. SPEAKER: You have men­ Cut m oUons Nos. 27 to 47 were put tioned that. and negatived.

    SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRISH- MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Giridhar Go- NAN (Coimbatore): I do not dis­ mango, are you withdrawing your cut agree with the hon. Members but I motions? support the guillotine because it will give us freedom from Mr. Mandal. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: NO. 18 h n . Sir.

    MR. SPEAKER: Before I put the MR. SPEAKER: I will now put the demands to vote, I want to know cut motions Nos. 85 to 126 moved by whether Mr. Banatwalla is withdraw* Shri Giridhar Gomango to the vote ing his cut motions? of the House. Cut motions Nos. 85 to 126 were put SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: No. and negatived. fttR. SPEAKER: I shall put cut SHRI K. P. UNNIKRJBHNAN: motions Nos. 1, 2, 22 to 25, 48 and 67 What about my cut motion? moved by Shri Banatwalla to the vote of the House. MR. SPEAKER: There i* no ether cut motion. Probably you did not move it. Ottfc motions No. 1, 2, 22 to 25, 48 and 87 were put and negatived. The question is: ‘That the respective sums nol SHRI KZ8HAVRAO DHONDGE: exceeding the amounts on Revenue I do not withdraw my cut thotibn*. Account ahd CfcfettU Account 391 D.G. 1978-79 Min. APRIL 26. 1978 of Communication, 392 Energy etc. [Mr. Speaker] day of March, 1979, in respect of shown in the fourth column of the the heads of demands entered In Order Paper be granted to the the second column thereof af*inst President out of the Consolidated Demands Nos. 47 to 57 relating to Fund of India to complete the sums the Ministry of Home Affairs.” necessary- to defray the charges that will come in course of payment The motion was adopted. during the year ending the Slst

    Demands fi r Grants, 1978-79 « nsfiut qft/u M inistry o f Horn Affairs voUd by Lok Sabha.

    Amount of Demand for Grant No. o f Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Grant Demand on account voted gy the House voted by the Home on 16-3-1978

    I 3 3 4

    Capital Revenue Capital Revenue Rs. Ra. Rs.

    MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS

    47. Minisry of Home Affairs 41,40,000 2,07,00,000 •*

    48. Cabinet .... 31,39,000 1,06,98,000 ••

    49. Department of Penonnel and Administrative Reform* i»93,80,000 6,19,02,000 6,08,33,000 50. Police .... 36,43,94,0001,21,67,000 i» a ,i9,73.o °° 4,33,14,000 51. Census .... 86,63,000 •• ••

    53. Other Expenditure of the 62,40,95,000 Ministry of Home Affairs . 31,76,58,000 *4>, 5>34»000 149,58,50,000 118.38,92,000 73,21,64,000 53. Delhi .... 23,67,78,000 14,1G4»33>o°° 17,98,23,000 8,09,32,000 54. Chandigarh 3,59,64,000 1,61,87,000 20,81,36,000 11,22,48,000 53. Andaman and Nicobar Islands 4,16,27,000 2,24,50,000

    56. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 48,41,000 42,76,000 2,12,03,000 2,I 3»79»°°°

    1,58,78,000 57. Lakshadweep 84,63,000 31,76,000 4»a3,I7,00°

    18.95 h rs. “That the respective sums not ex­ ceeding the amounts on Revenue Account and Capital Account shown DEMANDS* FOR GRANTS, 1978-79— in the fourth column of the Order Contd. Paper be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of India to Ministers or Communications, complete the sums necessary to de­ Energey, Finance, etc. etc. fray the charges that will come in course of payment during the year MR. SPEAKER; I come to the ending the 81st day of March, 1979, Outstanding Demands. The question in respect of the heads of demands is: •Movtid with the recommendation of the President. 393 D.G. 1978-79 Min. VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) of Communication, 394 Energy etc. entered in tfee second column there­ (9) D emand No. 90 relating to of against:— the Department of Electronics; (1) Demands Nos. 14 to 18 re­ lating to the Ministry of Communi­ (10) Demands Nos. 100 to 102 re­ cations; lating to the Department of Science and Techonology; (2) Demands Nos. 28 to 30 re­ lating to the Ministry of Energy; (11) Demand No. 103 relating to (3) Demands Nos. 32 to 43 re­ the Department of Space; lating- to the Ministry of Finance; (4) Demands Nos. 67 and 68 re­ (12) Demand No. 104 relating to lating to the Ministry of Law, Jus­ Lok Sabha; tice and Company Affairs; (5) Demands Nos. 72 to 74 re­ (13 Demand No. 105 relating to lating to the Ministry of Planning; Rajya Sabha; (6) Demands Nos. 79 to 81 re­ lating to the Ministry of Steel and (14) Demand No. 108 relating to Mines; the Department of Parliamentary Affairs; and (7) Demands Nos. 85 to 88 re­ lating to the Ministry of Tourism (15) Demand No. 107 relating to and Civil Aviation; the Secretariat of the Vice-Presi­ dent.’’ (8) Demands Nos. 94 to 96 re­ lating to the Department of Atomic Energy; The motion was adopted.

    Dtmandfor Grant', 1978-79 in respect o f the Ministries o fCommunicators, Energy, Finance, tU. tic. toUd by Lok Sabha.

    Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Grant N o . o f Namr of Demand on account voted by the House voted by the Home Demand on 16*3-1978

    Rcvenue Capital Revenue iul R s. Rs. MDNSSTRY OV COMMUNICA­ TIONS

    14. Ministry o f Communications 31,14,000 3.21.87.000 1,55.70,000 11,09,33,000 <5. Oversea* Communication* Ser- j ,88,68,000 1.84.03.000 9,49^3,000 g,20,08,000 •6. Posts and Telcgrph*—Working Expenses . . , 108,84., 15,000 544,30,75,000 17. Potto and Telegraphs—Divi­ dend to General Revenues, Appropriations to Reserve Funds and Repayments of Loans from General Re­ venues .... 31,08,97,000 *55*44.86,000 D.G. 1978-78 Min. APRIL 26, 1978 of Communication, 39$ Energy Me.

    1 9 3 4

    MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- Revenue Capital Revenue C apital R s. Rs. Rs. R s.

    18. Capital Outlay on Posts and Telegraphs # , 57.89.73.ooo 289,48,67,000* lSNIRRT Or ENERGY

    28. Ministy of Energy 11,38,000 •• 56,37,000 - 39. Power Development . 10,65,98,000 34.98.4S.ooo 53,36,40,000 17^82,18,000 30. Coal and Lignite . . 4,71,15,000 66,16,50,000 #3,55.78,000330,82,52,000 MINIRRY OF FINANCE

    3*. Ministy of Finance 3,61,86,000 .. 38,09,38,000 ...

    33. Customs .... 5,50,73,000 •• *7,53.66,000 ••

    94 Union Excise Duties 8,44,09,000 • • 42,30,08,000 •- 35. Taxes on Income, Estate Duty, Wealth Tax and Gift Tax . f8,31,78,000 4* .58,9a.ooo

    36. Stamps .... 3,10,17,000 • 31,00,000 15*50.83,000 1,05,00,000 37. A udit .... 10,36,97,000 : 51.34.85.000

    38. Currency, Coinage and Mint . 8,46,45,000 3,63,38,000 43,33,35,000 18,16,41,000

    39. Pensions .... 11,12,50,000 .. 33.37. 5o,ooo ••

    40. Opium and Alkaloid Factories 38,61,99,000 38,63,000 8,36,61,00 >,93,* 3,00® 41. Transfers to State and Union Territory Governments 380,93,58,000 573.98.62.000

    43. Other Expenditure of the Mi­ nistry o f Finance 40,65,86,000 304,46,73,000 195.09.30.000 990,72.67,000

    43. Loans to Government Servants, etc...... • • 11,66,67,000 •• 58,33,33.00*

    MINISTRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS

    67. Ministry of Law, Justice and Company Affairs a.35.35.000 17,000 11,76,73,000 83,000

    68. Administration of Justice 6,43,000 •• 33,13,000

    MINISTRY OF PLANNING

    7a. Mitustrv of Planning . 43.000 .. 3, 12,000 ..

    73. Statistics . . . . 2,20.85,000 • • I ( , 49,36,000 ..

    74. Planning Commission . 79,86,000 •• 3,99,27,000 *• 3 9 7 D‘° 1878-TO Min, VAISAKHA «, 1900 (SAKA) of CommxmiMHon, 398 Energy etc.

    I 2 3 4

    Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. R s. MOn»TRY OF STEEL AND

    7 9 . Department of Steel . 3,13,61,000 89,80,48,000 10,68,05,000 4 4 9 ,0 3 ,4 0 ,0 0 0 80. Department of Mines . 5,83,000 .. a9.17.000 ..

    8r. Mines and Minerals . 8,75,(7,000 10,04,83,000 43.75.85.ooo 50,34,17,000 MBOSTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION 85. Ministry of Tourism and Civil Aviation 8,90,000 44.51,000

    8$. Meteorology . . « 3,89,53,000 1,39.76,000 14,47,59,000 6,98,83,000

    87. Aviation . . . 4,68,78,000 4,69,61,000 *3-43,88,000 23* 8^ « » 88. Tourism .... 78,62,000 56,03,000 3.93,07.000 2,80,16,000 DEPARTMENT OF ATOM IC ENERGY 94. Department of Atomic Energy 8,57,000 43,85,000 95, Atomic Energy Research, Dev- lopment and Industrial Projects . . . 13,95,18,000 32,86,54,000 64.75.^9.000 69,6548,000

    96. Nuclear Power Schemes 9,55.50.000 7,89,89,000 38,77.5a»ooo W>Wnlt>wwOft ift i i DEPARTMENT OF ELECTRONICS 99. Department of Electronics . 1,68,86,000 5,74,40,000 8,44,29,000 8,73,03,000 DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE A l» TECHNOLOGY 100. Department of Science and Technology 5.55<8o,ooo 30,83,000 37,78,03,000 1,04,17,000 tot. Survey of India . . 3,36,67,000 .. »6,33.33,ooo .. 103. Grants to Council o f Scientific **•> and Industrial Research - 7,68,93,000 38* 4.57,°oo ,4 DEPARTMENT OF SPACE 10$. Department o f Space . * 7,37.91,000 5,34,07,000 32,39.57.000 26,30,33,000

    UNION PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION 104. Lok Sabha 83,04,000 3,99. 77^000

    105. Rjy'ya Sabha 33,11,000 .. «.65,53,000 168.' Department o f Parliamentary A flk in .... 4,+4,<*x> .. 33,30,000 107. Secretariat of the Vice* President 94,000 •• 4.69,000 .. 399 Suspension erf APRIL 26, 1876 Rule 216(2) 400

    18. M hn. precedent. Now, sub-rule (2) of rule 218 says: APPROPRIATION (NO. 3) BILL*, 1978 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE “At any time after the introduc­ (SHRI H. M. PATEL): Sir, I beg to tion in the House of an Appropriation move for leave to introduce a Bill to Bill, the Speaker may allot a day or authorise payment and appropriation days, jointly or severally, for the of certain sums from and out of the completion of all or any of the Consolidated Fund of India for the stages ...” etc. services of the financial year 1978-79. This rule is sought to be suspended. MR. SPEAKER: The question is: I lind that this motion has come rather prematurely. The business has been "That leave be granted to intro­ badly arranged. There is no motion duce a Bill to authorise payment and before the House either for considera­ appropriation of certain sums from tion or for passing. It is coming and out of the Consolidated Fund next. At the moment, there Is no of India for the services of the motion before the House either for financial year 1978-79.” consideration of the Bill or for passing the Bill. It is blank; it is a vacuum. The motion was adopted. Please see Rule 388 which says:

    SHRI II. M. PATEL: I introduce! “Any Member may, with the con­ the Bill. sent of the Speaker, move that any rule may be suspended in its appli­ cation to a particular motion before the House."

    MOTION UNDER RULE 388 There is no motion before the House with regard to consideration and pas­ Suspension of Rulf 218(2) in respect sing at all now. It is coming next. of Appropriation (No. 3) B ill, 1978 So, the arrangement of business is very faulty and defective, and therefore, THE MINISTER OF FINANCE this motion cannot arise with regard to (SHRI H. M. PATEL): I beg to move: a motion coming next to it. There i* no motion before the House at the “That this House do suspend sub­ moment. rule (2) of rule 218 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business MR. SPEAKER: You are technically in Lok Sabha in its application to right. the motions for taking into con­ SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: sideration and passing of the Appro­ Please give your ruling on this. priation (No. 3) Bill, 1978.” SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­ SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH mond Harbour): Sir, if he is technically (Hoshangabad): On a point of order, right, in which way he is wrong?, Sir. At the outset, may I remind you of what happened in the House a few MR. SPEAKER: Whether he should days ago? An exception was made move it first or second. because the Rajya Sabha was about to adjourn and therefore, you rightly SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: I ruled that day that that will not be a remember in the third Lok Sabha

    * ublished in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, section 2, dated 28-4-1978. •(•Introduced with the recommendation of the President. Suspension of VAISAKHA 401 1900 (SAKA) Rule 211(2) 40a there was a similar occasion and it been raised while the relevant de­ was solved like this. The first part mands for grants were under con- of the item would be (a) motion lor sideration.” consideration, and (b) would be ‘sus­ pension of the Rule, the two together For that, a Member is required to as one item. This is wholly wrong. give a notice giving details with an MR. SPEAKER: Cure it by asking explanatory note as to which are the him to move for consideration and uncovered things on which he is allow­ both of them will be taken together. ed to speak.

    SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: MR. SPEAKER; Now you have to Simultaneously. move for consideration. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Minister you move for consideration and then for SHRI C. M STEPHEN (Idukki): I suspension. am afraid, Sir, we cannot take these ( Interruptions). things m a very routine manner. We are now transacting the financial busi­ 1 SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: ness. The Members of Parliament have What is your ruling? got certain basic rights. It cannot be ( ). just steam-rolled out. In the Appro­ Interruptions priation Bill there are two or three SHRI M. KALYANASUNDARAM stages—introduction stage, then theie (Tiruchirapalli): I am opposing the is a discussion about it. Members must motion for suspension of Rule 218 have the right to speak on that. There under Rule 388 not on technical are many demands which we could grounds as opposed by my hon. friend not discuss and sub-rule (4) takes care Mr. H. V. Kamath. What is the impli­ of those demands. Sub-rule (4) of cation of the suspension of that Rule? Rule 218 says: That means, the Appropriation Bill will be rushed through without a “The debate on an Appropriation proper debate. That is the implica­ Bill shall be restricted to matters of tion of the suspension of the rule. I public importance or administrative want a clarification from you that a policy implied in the grants cover­ proper opportunity should be given for ed by the Bill which have not al­ the debate over the Appropriation ready been raised while the relevant Bill. demands for grants were under con­ MR. SPEAKER: The debate will not sideration.” be continued today. It will be con­ tinued. tomorrow. There were demands tor grants which we could not discuss. Public policies SHRI M. KALYANASUNDARAM: Tben why should that rule be sus­ may be involved in that, and this is an opportune stage at which we can pended? express our opinion about those matters MR- SPEAKER: To see that this is and we must get an opportunity about today, and the Finance Bill this. You just cannot suspend In a up tomorrow. routine manner certain things which are here. Now, if the suspension is SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, my pressed for, then I press for a debate point of order is under Rule 218, sub­ on the suspension motion. I am en­ para (4). which says: titled to express my opinion about the "The debate on an Appropriation suspension motion. I am opposing the Bill shall be restricted to matters of suspension of this rule; I am opposing public importance or administrative the move of the Government to block policy implied in the grants coveted out the right of the Members of the by the Bill which have not already House to express themselves on the 403 Suspension of APRIL 26, 1978 Rule 218(2) 404

    [Shri C. M. Stephen] ‘The Speaker may, in order to- residuary matters. We have got a avoid repetition of debate, require right to speak about these matters. members desiring to take part in Therefore, under the circumstances, discussion on an Appropriation Bill sub-rule (2) cannot be suspended, and to give advance intimation ol the the Appropriation Bill cannot be push­ specific points they intend to raise, ed through in the manner they are and he may withhold, permission for seeking to push it through. raising of such c l the points as in his opinion appear to be repetitions SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: On a point of order. of the matters discussed on a demand for grant or as may not be of suffi­ SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: I have not cient public importance.*’ finished. It cannot be pushed through. Therefore, there are 2 or 3 stages. The Those Members who have given notice first question is whether sub-rule (2) with sufficient points and explanatory should be suspended or not. There, notes have a right to speak. Others, the technical point raised by Mr. don't have. Kamath remains; and on that, a ruling has got to come forth. And if you SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: The simple say that this motion is in order, in answer to that, is that under sub-rule spite of the /fact that there is no (2), you have got to fix a date on motion, a motion for suspension must which the debate has to take place. be in relation to a business of the It is only when you fix a date on House pending before the House; that which a debate takes place, that I such-and-such a rule will not apply have got to intimate the points that I to such-and-such business before them. am seeking to raise. Now, what is As Mr. Kamath rightly pointed out, sought to be suspended is sub-rule (2). there is no business before the House. which provides for the fixation of a There, without any relation to a parti­ date and time. Therefore, until the cular business before the House, the date and time is fixed, I don't have rule cannot be suspended at all. That to give notice at alL Sub-rule (2) is not a technical matter. Therefore, must remain. The moment you say rule 388 does not apply. If you hold that it will be discussed on such-and- that rule 388 does apply, then as a such a date, I will give notice bout Member, I have a right to ask for a it. Then alone sub-rule (5) will apply; debate on that motion. Because I not otherwise. oppose that motion, I must be per­ mitted to put forth my point of view SHRI VAYALAR RAVI {Chiray-* as to why that motion must not be inkil): Before you give a ruling, we accepted. Suspension of a rule is not want to make our position clear. a routine matter. It is a serious Under rule 218, there are sub-rules (1) matter, particularly in relation to the to (6). One point is clear. Even, Appropriation Bill. Therefore, I would though, under sub-rule (5), as Mr. beseach of you to give a ruling as to Bosu said, you can avoid repetition, it how this motion comes within rule does not prevent any Member from 388. According to me, it does not. making any points. It only enables And if you give a ruling, then I will the Speaker to prevent any repetition raise my objection as to why it Should of points already spoken about. As not be admitted. I reserve my right Mr. Stephen put it, sub-rule (2) is to have my say, by way of opposition operative because no debate has besn to the motion for suspension of the fixed. We strongly feel that it is a rule. matter of policy, and it relates to bud­ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: On a get. There must be a debate. There­ point of order. Rule 218. sub-rule (5) fore. in that context, the motion moved is clear enough. It says: cannot be accepted. 403 Suspension oi VAISAKHA 8, 1900 (SAKA) Rule 218(2) 40*

    SHRI K. P. UNNIKHISHNAN that rule, which has to be suspended (Badagara): I want to make a sub­ Otherwise, there would be gnat diffi­ mission. The basic rights of culty for the House, for the Minister House are involved; and this House and also for the Appropriation Bi'l. has a particular concern, because There would be no allotment of the under the Constitution, we have cer­ day at all. If sub-clause (2) of rule tain special rights as far as these 218 is suspended altogether, then there Appropriation Bills are concerned. would be complete vacuum, there Attempting in any way to curtain these would be, to repeat, no allotment of rights almost amounts to curtailing day for the Appropriation Bill, there the basic, constitutional rights of this would be no stages of the discussion House. And if you lay down a pro­ or anything of that kind. So, in mak­ cedure or accept a procedure whereby ing a motion the hon. Minister will these rights of this House are cur. have to be very specific on the aspect tailed, it will be a great tragedy. I Of rule 218(2) that is going to be sus­ am sure you will not be a party to it, pended, quite apart from the point and in your just ruling, you will up­ that has been made by my hon. friend, hold our point of view. Shri Kamath, which ig extremely im­ SHRI SAUGATA ROY (Barrack- portant, namely there is no motion be­ pore): Rule 388 comes into picture fore the House, which can be taken only when there is a sufficient urgency. into account in suspending a rule. Is the treasury going to collapse or There is no such motion because we something of that sort going to take have not gone to that stage. Therefore, place? Then you can deprive us of the Chair must particularly look into the parliamentary right to put forward all aspects of the suspension. Other­ a point of view, now you are suspend­ wise, there will be a complete vacuum ing a particular rule. We take it that in this matter, there can be no dis the Government has collapsed or the cussion on the Appropriation Bill at treasury has collapsed and the Gov­ all, the Apropriation Bill may not ernment has no money to spend. Other­ come at all. How can the Appropria­ wise, why do you deprive the Members tion Bill come before the House unless of the right to speak? Why do you there is an allotment of time? And use rule 388 to allow the Minister to there cannot be an allotment of time move for a suspension of the rules? if rule 218(2) is suspended. It is aa Discussion on many important De­ absurd position in which the House mands like those of Communications, would land itself if rule 218(2) is- .Atomic Energy, Energy etc. has been suspended in a blanket way. stifled. Debate on absolutely funda­ mental and basic matters of Govern­ •ft j f n t w ment policy, concerning public wel­ fare, has been curtailed and the Demands have been guillotined. I want f art 221 lOTvtanrtjurr to know from you what was the whole £ ?fT sw *r «ns 1*wr | fr —■ urgency in applying guillotine at this stage and applying rule 388 for the suspension of the rule? We expect at jwfrr arnrft wffcwf % least an explanation from the Govern­ ment why they are so eager to stifle the debate, dissent and dissatisfaction within this House? SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA (Begusarai): Sir, may I draw your forcfor vrt vfr qr $rr four attention to one point about this? So vr v s % fat* 221 wsw far as the suspension of this rule is concerned, the House must first be «pt

    serious about the implementation of practice. It is 8 total violation of the MRTP provisions, that they want this Order as well as the provision!, generation of employment, small- of the MRTP Act. scale industries, primacy of agricul­ ture and what have you. Earlier the Minister, hon. Comrade George Fernandes, had threatened, Now, this collusion which is evi­ as he very often does, and charged in dent in this price hike affects direct­ the Consultative Committee meeting ly or indirectly over 135,000 of the that these people were jacking up the raw material producers of natural prices and engineering strikes and rubber, and over 300 thousand single lock-outs. We, all of us, welcomed truck owners particularly m States the assertive tone of the Minister. like Punjab and consequently, there But what has really happened? Take will be an adverse impact on the the raw material prices. They have entire price level. gone down in proportion to the per­ centage used in the manufacture of On March 13, the Minister had a tyres. Take natural rubber, the con­ meeting with the tyre manufacturers. sumption of which is 40 per cent in KI would like to know what has hap­ tyre manufacturing, in Cochin, the pened in this meeting? After this price of it has come down from Rs. 10 meeting, all the tyre manufacturers to Rs. 10 50 per kg. at Cochin price in raised the prices of tyres, by 10 to 12 1974-75 to less than Rs. 6.50 or per cent. These two figures are very around Rs. 6.50 per kg. The demand important because the multinationals of the rubber producers is that they raised it at a particular level. The should be given a fair price which is tyre industry is dominated by multi­ bemg opposed by this Ministry. Lakhs nationals to a large extent, their pro­ of faimers are demanding that sup­ duction capacity as well as their ported by the plantation labour. licenced capacity, it is done to hood­ Whether it is a question of imple­ wink and overcome the provisions of menting the MRTP Act or controlling the MRTP Act. Above all, it violates the Act and the specific MRTP Order the multinationals or a fair remune­ in the case of Restrictive trade prac­ ration for the producer, on all counts tices enquiry number 1 of 1971 where this Government in collusion with multinational interests and certain Justice Nain and others have given a clear verdict that: other interests, certain highly influen­ tial VIPs connected with this Gov­ “The aforesaid restrictive trade e r n m e n t — 1 d o not want to name them practices relating to or arising from right now—are pursuing policies the aforesaid clause of the General which are against their own declared Code of Conduct and the provisions policies and national interest. of Annexure II appended to the amended application of the Regis­ There has been a demand for rais­ ing the price of natural rubber to trar shall be discontinued and shall Rs. 760. which is being opposed, not be repeated by the Respondents based on the cost, account study of or any of them, directly or in­ directly or in any manner whatso­ the Government of India. ever.” There was also in the name of tyre exports a subsidy which they used to So, this is what exactly is being give for tyre manufactures. A cess sought to be violated. Now, to over­ of 10 paise per kg was imposed oik come these difficulties, they have natural rubber. The revenue income fixed with the help of this Govern­ has gone up from Rs. 3.68 crores in ment two different prices to prove 1975 to Rs. 5.8 crores last year. The- that there is no restrictive trade cess continues. But the subsidy oh -4*1 ^Wce Hike on APRIL 28, 1978 tyres (IfAH bfS) IShri K. P. Unnilcrishnan] as well as the operation of multi­ tyre exports has been withdrawn. nationals. 1 hope, he will clarify these The subsidy should have helped, in issues. no way affecting the exchequer, to push out a substantial quantity of our SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­ tyres manufactured in this country. mond Harbour); Madam Chairman, I would like the hon. Minister to tell On the top of it, they bring this us as to how these foreign multi­ excise. It affects 4i lakhs of vehi­ national tyre companies are evading cles and, according to a study made payment of excise through the pro­ by the National Council of Applied cess of down-grading their products. Economic Research, 80 per cent of Secondly, is it also a fact that al­ the transport operators belong to the though there was a price rise only small sector whom they want to en­ about two or three months ago, they courage. They are self-employed have, in fact, forced a price rise of people «r jpne-truck owners ^who^e 15 to 17 per cent whereas the local economy has been going from bad to manufacturers’ price rise is much worse, thanks to the high price level. lower? Why is this so? And I would* This has been pointed out even in also like to know whether any cost this House on a number of occasions. account audit has been done to find The Minister has also been threaten­ out the true fiist cost of production ing the private sector and multina­ that the factory gets. And is it also tionals that he will go in tor tyre a fact that the Soviet team had said manufacturing, the entire tyre indus­ informally that the cost of a tyre in try, in the public sector. We have this country is more than 350 per not heard anything so far after this cent, more than the true first cost threat. We would like to know where of production? if so, what action do he stands in relation to his various they propose to take to curb these promises and my allegation which foreign monopolists like Dunlop, Good was earlier also made in a different Year, Firestone, etc? way by my hon. friend, Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu on 30th March 1978. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Ohirayift- I would like to know, firstly, whe­ kil): Can I ask one question? ther the hon. Minister has really colluded as per the allegation or MR. CHAIRMAN: Only one ques­ rumours or impressions and, if so, tion. Will you just listen to a what* what is his agreement and, if not, I am saying? Your one question what does he propose to do? More should be a question and not speech. important than that is the perspec­ tive that he has in helping, as I said, SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Whether the small truck operators because, I it is a fact that tyre companies are presume, it is the Janata Party’s in­ fixing their prices of the tyres on the terest to help the small self-employ­ basis of thousand rupees per quintal ed people. They talk about remune­ of the raw rubber. rative price for the small farmers; they talk about the primacy oJ agri­ SHRI GEORGE MATHEW (Muvat- culture. Then, they say that they are tupuzha): The tyre manufacturers against multinationals. Coca Cola is heve submitted to DGTD and DGSfcD an isolated example. Let him not that the price of natural rubber »t throw it at us every time. I want to Kottayam, used by them, is Ra. 7#> know how he is going to deal with per quintal of RMA-4 and whereas these {multinationals in this qshdfe the actual price or (POB) at KA- and also how he proposes to deal taxam is Rs. 995 per quintal jfer lirith total violation of the MRTP Act RMA-l. Now there was an tlta 4 U PriM » * * 0» VAISAKHA ft 1*00 OSAKA) ty n , (HAH BIS) 414

    suggestion made or rather a proposal No. 682 to morning and it was made by the tyre companies m June mentioned teat tee tyre manufac­ 1977 for a price increase. But then turers Were opposing the raising of they told that, m the context of the the minimum price of natural rub­ assurances given by the Industry ber, which is only Rs. 655 per quintal generally and the Government's for BMA-1. appeal to industry m particular, MR. CHAIRMAN: What is your there shall be no price increase till question? December 1977 They should not dis­ cuss this; they should not even think SHRI GEORGE MATHEW- I want in terms of any price increases. Then to know whether the Minister agrees they agreed that they would not in­ "with the tyre manufacturers—when crease the prices. Soon after Decem­ the natural price of rubber is only ber 1977, the tyre companies started Rs. 655 per quintal for RMA-1, they, raising this question of prices. They I the manufacturers, are still quoting came forward with their own case, Rs. 760 as the purchase price of the their case being that the cost of some rubber at source I want to know of the raw-materials used in the ,what is the price they are quoting manufacture of tyres had gone up according to the Minister, and what does he propose to do about it? SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN It is correct MR CHAIRMAN- Comrade Minister. SHRI GFORGE FERNANDES: Yes, it is correct in regard to certain THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY items. (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES) ■ (Interruptions) Comrade Chan, person. SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU: Does ME CHAIRMAN: This is the cul­ it justify this amount of price rise’ tural background. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES- A have not completed. number of questions have been rais­ ed jn course of discussion and allega­ MR CHAIRMAN I think if Mem­ tions, rumours, impressions, I do not bers will be patient, the comrade know which one, have also been Minister i*> accustomed to reply in a •quoted perhaps to suggest collusion friendly, manner So, you will be between Government and also per­ able to ask questions at the end. haps between the Minister and the Industry. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: It is true that there has been an in­ SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: crease m the price® of certain items Minister. that go into the manufacture of tyres, SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I SHRI K. P UNNIKRISHNAN: thought you said that. There has been a decrease also. (,Interruptions) SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I MR. CHAIRMAN: I think the have not completed. Why don’t you Minister did not interrupt you. let me complete it? The case of the tyre companies was that the items SHRI CTOORGE FERNANDES: that have gone up in prices ate syn­ Comrade, it Is true that there has thetic rubber, reclaimed rubber, cot­ been «n taMuft in (awe prices from ton fabric, rayon fabric, bead wire, 1st o f April. Wuiier, then w*s a carbon black, pigment and cttemicahk 415 Price Hike on APRIL 26, 1878 tyre* (HAM ©IS) 416

    [Shri George Fernandes] suffered losses. Madras Rubber m There is a slight increase in the cost 1076-77 locked up with a loss of of wages, a similar increase in the Rs. 84.71 lakhs. Premier Tyres had a cost of fuel, electricity and other in­ loss of Rs. 1.72 crores. Modi Rubber puts all of which work out to about had a loss of Rs. 2.38 crozes. But four 10 per cent of the total cost involved other tyre companies made profits. in the making of a tyre. We tried to Dunlop made a substantial profit of put across to them, rather we put Rs. 4.24 crores. Firestone—Rs. 21 across to them that while it is true lakhs. Good Year—Rs. 25 lakhs. Ceat that the prices of certain items of in­ Tyres—Rs. 1.08 crores. This is for puts that go into the making of a 1976-77. tyre have gone up, but there has also Now, as far as Dunlop is concerned, been a decline in the price of raw it has not only tyres but, it has other rubber which is substantial, from areas of manufacture also. Therefore what it was in 1974-75 to what it is thedr case was, “Our profits are not so 1977-78. It was also pointed out that much from the tyre business as from there has been a decline not only in other areas." .... the price of raw rubber but also in the interest rates. Then the inven­ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Did thf tories position also had improved. government examine it? Therefore, in terms of their own in­ terest payments they were able to SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: We effect certain economies___ ha ?e not yet come into the picture. You seem to be too much in a hurry, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That is Comrade Bosu. 10 per cent again. S1HRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Yes, I SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: am. Yes. So. taking the entire picture, we were to tell the tyie industry that SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: The there was no justification, as far as case of the companies, therefore, was, we could see, for an increase in the by and large, that the industry has prices. It is true that there waH a not been doing well and here is the meeting on the 13th March but at the additional cost involved and, therefore, 13th March meeting it was no so •we need certain concessions.’ They much the price question that was wanted to discuss excise, they wanted discussed but certain other problems to discuss capacity utilisation and how of the tyre industry were discussed. to stimulate the total economy so that Of course, the tyre industry has been the tyre industry could pick up as pro­ having its own difficulties. The fact duction has not been upto the installed is that a number of tyre units have capacity. Excepting three companies, made substantial losses last year---- the rest of the tyre companies have been performing well below their SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That capacity. Inchek—42 per cent. is what their balance-sheets show. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That is SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: an Indian company. Ultimately one goes by certain figures. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Madras Rubber— 55 per cent, Fatoon- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: YOtt 75 per cent, JK-—57 per cent, Apollo know how correct they are. —43 per cent Firestone—65 per cent Dunlop-80 per cent. Therefore, there SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: We, has been a certain set back to the in­ therefore can take effective measures dustry generally and these were tt* to correct the situation also. But the various points which they came to point is that four of the tyre units 417 ***** Hik* on VAISAKHA 8, 1900 (5AKA) tyres (HAH DfS) 41%

    cuss. On prices we were to tell the MRTP Act, MRTP regulations. In fad tyre companies that there was no justi­ the breach is not only of the MRTP fication for any increase in prices be­ regulations but also there is a breach cause even assuming that there has of promise because in 1978 tyre com­ been an increase—there has been an panies made a promise before MRTP increase in certain input*—but there Commission that they would not ary were other areas where there has been more operate as a cartel. They gave a decline like the prices of rubber, this assurance This assurance was interest rates, inventories, etc accepted by the then Government obviously and one assumed that the SHRI GEORGE MATHEW: What tyre companies would behave like is the price quoted by them for natural good boys who give a word and then rubber? keep it It is now obvious .. The price of natural rubber as of MR. CHAIRMAN: Like Comrade now... Jyotirmoy Bosu. (Interruptions). SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Like SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: » Comrade Jyotirmoy Bosu, this is what would not be able to tell what is the the Chair person says. I do not say. price that the manufacturers are quot­ ing for natural rubber. Now it is obvious that the tyre companies have not kept their word. SHRI GEORGE MATHEW. To the That even while they may not be D.G.T.D. and DG.S. & D.—the tyre operating as a cartel in the formal manufacturers have to give the pur­ sense of the term, in an informal w?.v chase price of natural rubber. They they are operating as a cartel. have to give them the break up. Be­ cause the Government is purchasing As far as we are concerned, It does so many tyres, therefore, they have to not make any difference whether they give them the break up of their price. operate formally or informally. As far as we are concerned—as a Govern­ SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES 1 ment, or any person or as MRTP Com* will be able to find that. mission—it does not make any differ­ ence because they are functioning just SHRI GEORGE MATHEW: It is now as that of a cartel Rs. 760 per quintal. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: One SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Fair used to manufacture for the other. enough, may be 760. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Fair SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: To find enough, may be. out the cost of production at the fac­ tory gate exercise must be done by You have knowledge of this subject the Government and Government may having dealt with the tyre companies satisfy itself. better than perhaps I would have. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Please SHRI SAUGATA ROY (Barrack- do not be in a hurry. Comrade Chair pore): What a compliment! person, there was no case as far as we saw the problem for a price rise. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: So However, in the end of March the therefore, there is a clear violation of the MRTP regulations and the Govern­ tyre companies were to increase the ment, therefore, would take steps to prices. There are two points. One 1 see ttvit there is an immediate MRTP that the prices have gone up by about investigation into this—call it formal, 10 per cent and all the tyre companies can a informal, but Into this cartel have simultaneously raised the price*. formation on the part of the tyre Now, clearly there is a breach of the 419 Price Hike on APRIL 26y 1878 tyrrt (HAH DIS)

    [Shri George Fernandes] SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I companies once again in order to jack would not have any difficulty in doing up prices, because if there is justifica­ that. tion to put up prices and as I said ther* has been a price increase in cer­ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am tain areas, there is no price control much obliged. on tj'rfts, so, technically, it is open to th* tyre companies, particularly to SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: 1 a tyi«i company which feels that it is would not have any difficulty in taking losing and it is not able to market the House into confidence on the exact tyre at a price which it must get for price structure and the cost structure the inputs that it is putting into «hi of the tyre industry. makiug of a tyre. It is open to raise its price. There is no statutory prico I would have no objection of taking control. But the fact that all of th?n) the House into confidence, becau°e, gang up and put up the price at the this is not a matter where any St a to same time and on the same basis sug­ secret or where any official secret is gest that it is not one of those exer­ involved. Nothing like that is involv­ cises where people were concerned ed. The costs are there; the prices with prices generally, but there was a are there; and we would certainly like concerted move on the part of all of to place this before the House, as and them to t ut up price. Therefo/e, when any information in regard to llic M R.I P. i« involved and Government actual costs comes into our possession. would, therefore, refer this matter to MRTP Commission so that an investi­ gation into this new cartel is made. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: How The other question is of the prices soon do you think? itself. As I said, there is no price control. There is no statutory price SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: The controL Just now it is not even the moment I get the information in my sellers market. For all purposes it is hand on the exact situation of cost*, the buyers market. Knowing the I shall take the House into confidence state of the automobile industry today, in this respect. There should be no knowing the situation in the tyre in­ problem on that account. dustry today, it is, for all purposes, a buyer’s market it is not a seller's Therefore, the only submission th*t market. And yet if the companies I would like to make to you, Comrade decide to put up prices, obviously Chair-person, is this. they feel strongly about it. We wouli therefore now like that the areas where While my friend, Comrade Unni- costs have gone up and the areas where krishnan is fully justified in getting costs have come down have to be exercised over the price rise, his other examined. exercise about the Government’s col­ lusion was not at all called for. That And already, Comrade Chair-person, is the least that I could tell him—*that the B.I.C.P. (The Bureau of Industrial it was not at all called for. I could Costs and Prices) is seized of this say something stronger, but he knows question. that I would not say that. The moment we get a report from the B.I.C.P. we shall be able to deal SHRI SAUGATA ROY: You or* with the tyre companies and tell them mincing words.. that this is the cost structure—

    SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Would qw pt GEORGE FERNANDES: 1 you like to lay this Cost Exercise of would not use any strong language, the B.I.CP. on the Table of the House? certainly not with him. 431 Price Hike on VAISAKHA 6, 1900 (SAKA) tyres

    MR. CHAIRMAN: I assure you, be monster?* Well, you have created this would answer you in a comradely monster. We shall dismantle this manner! monster.

    SHRI K. GOPAL (Karur): This is I assure you that the policy that >ou collusion between you and him! read in the newspapers today and which you think is a good policy, will SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: He be implemented to the last letter. has of course raised wider questions of our attitude towards multinationals. And I hope that you, who have been I will not refer to Coca Cola or I.B.M. victims of these monsters that were or any of those things here. I will created by the powers-that-be— ard I not discuss the industrial policy here. hope that you were not a part of the I do not think it is necessary to do powers-that-be—would not only wel­ that. We have discussed this quite come what we are now planning to often in this House. And, in so fai do and what we shall be doing, but, as Government’s approach to multi­ you would also And out ways and nationals and large houses is con­ means of co-operating and supporting cerned, he very rightly commented <-n us in all our actions in dismantling J>U the Economic Policy of the Junata these rotten structures which had oeen Party which has been published today. imilt up. He may rest assured that there will be a series of measures which will up 19.00 hrs. forthcoming, which will undo all th?t SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Just you did, for the last ;*0 years. We shall one point. On the question of export come forward with a package of subsidy for tyres, I mentioned about measures and I am sure__ the Rubber Cess. It was collected in the name of giving subsidy for export­ SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN; 1 wel­ ing. come it. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: rose. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I am glad that you welcome it. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Ravi, wiU you please resume your seat.

    The only confusion in my mind is, Let Mr. Unnikrishnan put his ques­ how come that you created such a tion. situation and waited for thirty long years for us to come here so that we SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN: Will could undo it? That is something ,„u mind giving thl. lnionnrtionT which I do not understand. Why did you create all these situations? Why SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: S' did you build up all these 'MRTP' wo uld n«d «*»« to houses? Why did you build up all I would be most willing to «n«wer ll>» • these large houses? Why did you build up these family enterprises? Why MR. CHAIRMAN: The Houk did you wait for thirty long years till . djnumrt tl« >1 tomorrow. did you wait for thirty long years i'll such time that the Janata Party came jnto existence here on this side of the 10.01 bn* House, pushing you to that side of .he The Lok Sabha then adjourned till House? And now, you get up and *ay. ‘Now, fellows, we have created this Eleven of the Clock.o n April 2 7 ,1 9 7 BiVai*aleha 7, 1900 (Saka). monster; will you please dismantle this

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