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—matt king photo PROGRESS THREATENS area indicated in photograph in form of Lambrou, would destroy 79 low-cost rental dwellings and displace giant $35 million luxury apartment complex for rich and super-rich 179 residents. Only provincial government can prevent Lambrou and only. The project, brain child of West Vancouver weasel, Dinos cohorts building monstrosity, says endowment lands manager. Zone laws must change before UEL plan proceeds By RALPH MAURER multiple-family dwellings. of existing dwelling units would be UEL, housing minister Lome The $35 million luxury apart­ Murdoch said the developers of built. Nicolson, and Dinos Lambrou, a ment complex planned for the the property would have to receive Murdoch said the LRS proposal principal figure in LRS. university endowment lands can a letter from the minister of lands, "seems to make financial and AMS council Wednesday voted only be built if the provincial forest and water resources, re­ economic sense." unanimously to oppose the plan. government relaxes zoning laxing present by-laws. "We're looking for more housing Jane Corcoran, representative of bylaws, the UEL office manager He said the by-laws were relaxed if we can get it, but it has to be on the area's tenants, said Thursday said Thursday. several years ago to allow con­ our own terms," he added! she has received no answer to a Bob Murdoch, chief ad­ struction of a high-rise in the area. He said if LRS were to get the by­ letter she wrote Sept. 15 to Norm ministrator of the UEL and But he said this stage would not law relaxations they would have to Pearson, Williams' deputy. directly responsible to the office of be reached for some time. make some concessions to the The letter suggested a by-law the minister of lands, forest and "They (LRS) haven't even come UEL, such as provision of un- change which would prevent all water resources, said current up with a proposal yet," he said. derground parking space for all high-rise dwellings in the area,and zoning by-laws limit building "Once that is done, the department residents. suggested Dunhill Developments height to 48 feet in the area Vol. LVII, No. 9 has to examine it." Meanwhile, opposition to the purchase the land involved, to proposed for the development. plan was expressed on several prevent luxury development. VANCOUVER, B.C., The complex, proposed by LRS He said when LRS approached university fronts Thursday. his office several weeks ago about Pearson said Thursday he Development Enterprises, would Alma Mater Society president returned Wednesday from a two- FRIDAY, displace 79 dwelling units and the possibility of redeveloping the land, he told them the UEL Jake van der Kamp said he is week vacation and said he wouldn't SEPTEMBER 26, 1975 about 200 residents in a 3.6 acre writing letters opposing the plan to comment because he wasn't area bounded approximately by "wouldn't consider a change of zoning." administration president Doug familiar yet with the contents of Dalhousie, Acadia, Allison and Kenny, Bob Williams, minister of the letter. 228-2301 Toronto Roads. He said the developers told him lands, forests and water resources Corcoran said it is fortunate the The area is currently zoned for that about three times the number and minister responsible for the LRS plan is as extensive as it is. "It's fortunate that Lambrou has such a large plan because it gets a lot of people on our side who UBC faculty maintains status quo otherwise might not support us, people who aren't necessarily for By MARK BUCKSHON restricted, perhaps unique system of begin annual negotiations without the power middle-income housing," she said. UBC's Faculty Association executive is collective bargaining. to strike but with as yet unclarified rights to But there is doubt about how effective the take issues to arbitration. The tenants currently pay preparing a "framework agreement" with monthly rents between $200 and the administration to provide collective new "framework agreement" will be without the ultimate power to strike or seek other The initial move to unionize occurred early $275. bargaining without unionization for its 1,500 in 1974 when it was learned the provincial "As good corporate citizens they members. remecUes through the B.C. Labor Relations Board. government planned to drastically restrict should weigh the moral aspects of The quiet, almost tame discussions are university funding — and possibly put a crimp their decision," Kenny said. occurring after more than a year of intensive And more important are questions about on faculty salaries. He qualified his statements, debate, which split UBC's academic ranks as motives behind the faculty's move to unionize saying that he couldn't speak for profs backed away from a sudden decision in and then reverse the decision. Profs feared cutbacks in allocations to the the university administration but February, 1974, to seek certification as a It seems greed, fear, and pride in being part universities. They felt they would have ho "I could give my individual union under the B.C. Labor Code. of a superior class seem to be the crucial economic protection because they couldn't response." Profs shouted and heckled in association elements in the faculty's actions. bargain collectively. (In the past the'Faculty Association would Principals in LRS are Lambrou, meetings and conducted an assortment of The association is establishing a 38- his wife. Diana Lambrou, Van­ political moves in back rooms as member collective bargaining committee submit salary and fringe benefit requests to the administration which would then decide, couver lawyer William Henson and traditionalists fought against the unionists — which will proportionately represent each Americans Max Ruderian and and won, at least partly. section of the university and set annual - without negotiation, how much of an increase to offer.) Albert Spiegel. The agreement to be debated and ratified negotiating goals and demands. The same group is responsible by the association's membership and UBC's The committee will present its demands to Chemical engineering prof Norm Epstein for the controversial Plaza In­ administration in November is a highly the administration and representatives will See page 2- ISSUE ternational complex in North Vancouver. rage A 2^ Hot flashes i/Srs: 1100 Chestnut St., Kitsilano Point Bethune building recital hall. tion, call Carol Norman at Featured performers are 524-0885. and others Hans-Karl Piltz, viola, and Harvey Bethune and other recent Can­ Stenson, harpsichord. Welfare adian theatre productions will be Together The Vancouver People's Law the topic of discussion at noon School will offer a free course REGISTER FOR FALL CLASSES Women Together, a Lower Tuesday in Buchanan 322. Monday and Tuesday on welfare Mainland women's group, is pub­ Speakers will include Ken Kra­ rights. lishing a women's business direc­ mer, who plays Bethune at the The course, given by articling tory for B.C. production currently running at law student Karen Kahn, will The directory will list profess­ the Vancouver East Cultural Cen­ deal with all aspects of welfare commencing immediately ional women, craftswomen, tre, and Pam Hawthorne who regulations including basic rates, women working full or part time " plays Bethune's wife Francis. eligibility, appeal procedures and on any project and businesses fraud. owned and operated by women. Bach Times are 7:30-9:30 p.m. It will be published in December. Basic Astronomy, Build Your Own Cabin, Making The music of J. S. Bach will both nights at Van Tech school, Paper By Hand, Indian Use of Plant Materials, be presented in a faculty recital There is no charge for direc­ 2600 East Broadway. Phone tonight at 8 p.m. in the music tory listings. For further informa­ 681-7532 to register. Exploring The Museum Through Drawing, Boating and Navigation. 'Tween classes TODAY SATURDAY at 6 p.m., Lutheran campus centre. PAKSING FUTGA KUNG FU CLUB .ALLIANCE FRANCAISE MFA THESIS SOC CLASS SIZES LIMITED Auditions for Mrozer's Tango, Practice, new members welcome, Meeting, noon, upper lounge, Inter­ 4:30-6:30 p.m., SUB party room national House. noon, Freddie Wood theatre 112. ALPHA OMEGA for ballroom. LIBERALS UBC ATHLETICS Provincial convention, all day, Sher­ Party for new and old members, byob, 8 p.m., SUB 212. Men's junior varsity basketball aton Landmark. tryouts, 4:30 p.m., War Memorial PHILOSOPHY STUDENTS' UNION Gym. CALL NOW! Election of student reps for depart­ MONDAY mental committees, noon, Bu. UBC FOLKDANCE WORKSHOP CONT.'DANCE CLUB 3259. International folk dancing from Dance, 7:30-9:30 p.m., Armories MEDIEVAL SOCIETY Hungary, Poland, Balkans, Turkey, 208. Greece, Israel and elsewhere, Organizational meeting, noon, SUB MFA THESIS SOC 111. 7:30-11 p.m., SUB 212. VANCOUVER MUSEUM NDP CLUB CCCM Auditions for Mrozer's Tango, 3:30 Meeting, noon, SUB 211. Program begins 4:30 p.m., supper p.m., Freddie Wood Theatre 112. CAMPUS CYCLISTS General meeting, noon, SUB 205. PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE STUDENT FED General meeting, noon, SUB 119. 736-4431 Local 249 COMMITTEE ON DANCE to disco music SOCIALIST STUDIES Poetry reading by Pat Lowther and Dave Day, noon, Bu. 204. CURLING CLUB live Meeting to sign up new curlers, noon, SUB 115. » Use Ubyssey Classified CLASSICS CLUB CKLG DISCO 75' First meeting, "thera," 8 p.m., 4524 West Seventh. Featuring 4 Best 'LG Jocks CHINESE STUDENTS ASSOCIATION TO SELL - BUY - INFORM Festival party featuring The Reflec­ tion, admission $1, members; $2.25 non-members; 9 p.m.-l a.m., Grad FRIDAY, Sept. 26/75 Student Centre. SKYDIVING CLUB General meeting and first jump SUB BALLROOM 8:30-12:30 course, noon, SUB 215. THE CLASSIFIEDS MUSIC FULL FACILITIES RATES: Campus - 3 lines, 1 day $1.00; additional lines 25c. Faculty viola recital, music of J. S. Bach by Hans-Karl Piltz, 8 p.m., 8 Commercial — 3 lines, 1 day $1.80; additional lines p.m., music building recital hall. 40c. Additional days $1.50 & 35c. SPEAKER'S COMMITTEE Classified ads are not accepted by telephone and are payable in Meeting, new members welcome, noon, SUB 213. advance. Deadline is 11:30 a.m., the day before publication. CCCM Publications Office, Room 241, S.U.B., UBC, Van. 8, B.C. Film, Slaughterhouse Five, noon, Lutheran campus centre. Also Rubin Landers retreat featuring the same film at Point Roberts, meet for dinner at 5 p.m. at Lutheran campus centre.. 5 —Coming Events 11 — For Sale — Private (Cont.) HAPPA SIGMA FRAT SACRIFICE! 1971 HONDA 350 SL. Ex- Grand opening of the cage; disco; cellent running condition, basement beer, 25 cents; 8 p.m., 2280 Wes­ stored, 8,000 miles. $550 o.b.o. Dennis, brook. 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The following committees have student positions available: 90-Wanted PRESIDENTIAL COMMITTEES AMS COMMITTEES 1. Traffic and Parking 1. Elections 11— For Sale — Private 2. Bookstore 2. Eligibility USE 3. Food Services 3. Students' Court 1974 DATSUN B-210 H.B. STANDARD. Excellent condition. 732-6055, 228-5480. 4. Master Teacher 4. Speakers Offers. UBYSSEY 5. Safety, Security and Fire Prevention 5. Special Events PENTAX ES II. fl.8, SMCT 135mm, f3.S, 6. Charitable Donations 6. Restructuring of the AMS 28mm f3.5, plus access., all excel, CLASSIFIED cond. All for $450. Phone 253-8080 7. Men's Athletic Committee 7. Housing after 0. 8. War Memorial Gym Trust Advisory 8. Open House TO SELL - BUY GARAGE SALE: We are moving. Fur­ Get involved by submitting your name to Ellen Paul, AMS Secretary, SUB Rm. 250, or 228-2050. niture, plants, clothing, household INFORM items, BBQ, skies, etc., etc. 3561 West 27th. Saturday & Sunday, 10:00 A.M. rnaay, sepiemDer 10, iy/o u D T a a c T rage 3 'Admin stalls negotiations' By HEATHER WALKER AUCE held a strike seminar strike is therefore a possibility. It Both Murphy and Wiggs said they Wiggs said strike strategy was The university administration is Saturday fer all locals, but Nancy is the duty of union leadership to be expect more action from members discussed in the seminar, which deliberately stalling in its contract Wiggs, AUCE member and. prepared for the possibility of a after Sept. 30, when the contract was well-attended by AUCEi strike." expires. negotiations with the Association seminar organizer said this does representatives from UBC, Simon of University and College Em­ not mean that a strike will occur. AUCE members will not know if "We will put more pressure on ployees, a union spokeswoman "We held the seipinar because they are ready to strike until the the administration after that Fraser University and Notre Dame claimed Thursday. the contract is expiring, and a negotiations reach a further stage. date," Wiggs said. University. Emerald Murphy, AUCE local 1 president, said the two sides met Thursday for their seventeenth negotiating session and "nothing important has come up yet." She said AUCE's first contract was negotiated in 32 sessions last year. "So far in 17 sessions we've discussed bulletin boards and getting off work for jury duty," Murphy said. "One wage offer was made and it's pretty good as a starting point for further negotiations, but it barely covers the current cost of living and makes no provision for the future." Murphy said that she personally feels wages are not the main issue in the negotiations. "Current negotiations are going badly because of the ad­ ministration's philosophy. They are interested in management rights and want to control everything," she said. "They feel a clerical worker is not responsible for her own job, and is not capable of making decisions." The important issues, according to Murphy, are vacations, union security and a restructuring of the wage schedule. In last year's contract, AUCE members won three weeks vacation after one year of work and five weeks after eight years. The administration says it now wants to cut vacations to two tfc • ill ^^m-m weeks after one year of work, and —doug field photo —matt king photo to five weeks after 12 years to bring STICKS AND STONES may break bones but they are also very handy sapling — honoring former administration president. Right, rock AUCE vacation length into line for commemorating some of UBC's quasi-heroes, past and present. monolith located in Fairview Grove commemorates UBC's second with other unions at UBC. Left, aggies have planted outside McMillan building a Walter H. Gage administration president, Leonards. Klinck. The university also wants to abolish the closed shop which AUCE currently uses and replace it with a Rand formula shop. Students to sit on ed department c'tee make policy recommendations official that three students will sit proposed student services com­ Under the Rand system, em­ By MARCUS GEE about "para-educational" matters on the committee. mittee) as well intentioned until ployees pay union dues but do not A B.C. education department proven otherwise," she said. have to join the union. All em­ relating to students. The BCSF will appoint the official said Thursday students will "It (the committee) would be a students at its November con­ Clarke said the committee, ployees must belong in a closed sit on a new student services which he said he hopes will hold its shop. big step forward in student ference, MacKenzie said. committee. representation," he said. first meeting within a month, will "The current wage schedule is Student services head Dean Glenn MacKenzie, a B.C. Student Another BCSF executive absorb the student aid appeals dreadful," Murphy claimed. Clarke said the committee will Federation executive member, member, Janet Neilson, said committee which recently ad­ advise the department on student Thursday the committee will mitted a student representative. "There is hardly any difference in said Thursday the Committee advise the B.C. student loan wage categories, so if any em­ aid, housing, food services and would be "a step in the right direc­ He said the student services daycare and is near approval by committee about its student aid committee would branch into sub­ ployee is promoted she can hardly tion." policy decisions. tell the difference in her pay the education department. He said he was told at an committees to study separate cheque." He said the committee would organizational meeting with "They are now finally proposing areas. Neilson said the BCSF will have to wait until the committee first meets before deciding if the committee will have any real Issue now 'economic survival power. From page 1 Jamieson said Thursday: "I have to con­ their families and have grown disinterested in "It remains to be seen if we will • said then that after the decision to certify was sider myself at a loss", why the ranks of junior the collective bargaining process. have input into department policy­ made he was sceptical of the action. and left-wing profs, who originally supported Jamieson and McRae, despite differing making," she said. "I do not think "But I think it's the right direction to move certification, backed off. viewpoints, say their view is less pessimistic. this will be the same kind of deal as although it was a motion intent on money He said many profs feared union cer­ Jamieson said the framework for union the appeals committee where we only," he said. tification would force the "industrial model of certification remains in the revised have no influence on policy." Economics prof Stuart Jamieson led the labor relations" on UBC. association constitution, so unionization can Clarke said the government will move to certify at a lively meeting of 400 profs Jamieson said profs began fearing take place in the future if the university ad­ take the advice of the committee Feb. 14, 1974. unionization was "not designed for learning ministration refuses to bargain in good faith. seriously and develop policy on But almost immediately, despite a 185-72 institutions like UBC." However he said he finds it hard to believe committee recommendations. vote in favor of certification, a split developed When he was asked if he thinks profs the association will have much power at the "Its (the committee's) and a phenomenal back-room and public war rejected the unionization idea because they bargaining table without the strike weapon. recommendations will be taken broke out. feared it would lower them to the level of the McCrae described the framework almost as gospel. Whether the The unionization move continued in April, industrial working class, he said: "I don't agreement as a contract legally binding on government does anything about it when the association voted 374 to 154 to amend really think I'd be that bald." the parties. is another matter. its constitution to permit certification, by Current association president Donald "This agreement will be like a labor code — "There is no way they will say it eliminating deans and administration of­ McCrae says profs reversed their decision to legally binding for both organizations," he has any power to make decisions," ficials from membership. seek certification because of "a general fear said. Clarke said. But association president Milton Moore of what that would get the university into." "It requires the university and association Neilson said the BCSF is pleased resigned in May, after less than two months in -He says many profs were afraid the LRB to bargain in good faith," he said. "In any with the education department's office, because he had apparently changed his would try to interfere in university affairs, effect, in case of a breach of contract, the move in setting up the committee, mind and wanted to be free to "speak his and the LRB would not understand the university could be sued in the courts." but wants student representation mind" against certification. "unique qualities" of the university. McRae said that in the unlikely event on decision making bodies, And the fight continued, with new president Jamieson suggested: "Once it got con­ disputes would go to the courts, the especially bodies concerned with Meredith Kimball leading an increasingly tentious, then a lot of tame souls just backed association could collect damages from the student aid. fractionalized and divided group. off," including talented junior profs who administration if breach of contract is • She said the BCSF wants By October, 1974, the association had thought unionization would not help their proved. students on the B.C. student loan reversed itself and voted to withdraw its ambitions to rise to become senior profs. But the scope of collective negotiations is committee and a reversal of certification application. It agreed to hold a One prof, originally a strong supporter of restricted to "salary and economic matters" Canadian education ministers' mail ballot in which members could choose the unionization move but now an annoyed, and some aspects of promotion and tenure, representation policy after their whether they wanted to certify, bargain as disinterested association member, said the McRae said. recent Regina conference was before or bargain collectively outside the B.C. unionization idea began dying when the The association won't negotiate on closed to students. Labor Code. government came through with enough university governance, teaching and work The federation also wants more In a close ballot last summer, members money to allow profs to receive a 25 to 30 per loads and faculty relationships with students. student representation on com­ decided to opt for a "special plan" allowing cent salary increase in one year. In other words, the association won't use munity college councils (or boards collective bargaining but without strikes and He said many profs are now only interested the collective bargaining mechanism to upset of governors) and students sitting Labor Relations Board involvement. in "economic survival" for themselves and the status quo. on the Universities Council. Probe veeps >J060DY'S It seems conflict on interest doesn't ruffle any feathers on this campus. vvfEREsreb w www is After The Ubyssey revealed a week ago today the VtKfflBfcP \ti strange dealings behind selection of the new administration vice-presidents, an outrage of protest and surprise was expeGted. fcwrflf *0 f S?0RT5,,. Some expectation. There hasn't been a peep, publicly at least, demanding ft***?.. any type of look into the appointments of new veeps Charles "Chuck" Connaghan and Michael Shaw. Both Shaw and Connaghan sat on a committee appointed by the board of governors and senate to help select veeps for academic development and faculty and student services. After candidates had submitted their names, Shaw decided to resign from the committee and toss his name into the hat. Could it be that having seen the names he thought he had a good chance and quit? Or did administration president Doug Kenny, the committee chairman, eye the names and, not liking what he saw, ask Shaw to join the contest? Then, after Shaw was picked, Connaghan got a piece of the action when Kenny appointed him veep for non-academic affairs. There should be an independent inquiry into the series of events surrounding the selection process, perhaps sanc­ tioned by the board of governors or even the Canadian Association of University Teachers (CAUT). Why there even is talk in the back halls of campus that a formal" complaint will be lodged with CAUT. Hopefully someone will have the guts to speak up. Letters groups whose main function is to argue that they are definitely letter, that they abhor political represent a political point of view "political" organizations, discrimination, but because there Protest on campus will not receive office representing a "political point of is a lack of space in the SUB, S.f.a.inF.O\ space." view." someone has to suffer. This I would like to register a protest UEL plan In protest against that clause we The struggle to defend gays argument is pretty lame on two against the pseudo-new journalism presented a petition signed by against discrimination or to defend accounts. crap you're running on page five Open letter to administration close to a hundred students & staff women against their oppression is First, what we are discussing and calling a column. It's not that I president Doug Kenny. which affirmed: "We support the very "political." Both struggles here is the question of policy: Who have anything against the new As you will have heard by now, a right of all student groups ask the question "who rules and has the right to office space and the journalism, or gonzo journalism, developer is planning to build a $35 (political, religious, social, etc.) to with what policies." use of campus resources? We are or whatever you and old Hunter S. million high-rise in the endowment have office space on campus." Christianity has been a political not discussing the implementation want to call it. It's just that this lands on 3.6 acres currently oc­ Support for the petition included force for many hundreds of years; of the policy, that is, how much fails. cupied by low-income housing in signatures from both the Young it represents a particular way of space is available. We are saying The basis of any sort of jour­ which many students live. The Liberals and Young Conservatives looking at the world and acting that all groups have equal right to nalism, be it by Hunter S. Thomp­ developer has stated he plans to on campus. within it — and that's politics. The use the resources of this campus. son or the New York Times, is put in only high-income housing. We protest the committee's AMS itself is a very political Once we have established that, all presumably to inform and interest. I realize the university has no proposed policy as a case of blatant organization. Every decision it these groups can sit down and work This column does neither. direct control over the endowment political discrimination and a makes, whether it's about Moshe out an equitable division of those It does not inform, because the lands and rarely interferes in their dangerous precedent against the Dayan getting student funds or resources to best meet everyone's style is so convoluted that one can't development, but in this case I full freedom of political expression not; whetherit'sabout supporting a needs. really understand what F.O'. is think it would do the university of students at UBC. It is dangerous strike by campus workers; or if its And if there are not enough trying to say. good to take a public stand against because it specifies "political about presenting for referendum a resources in SUB to do this, we can I mean really, when you read the developer's proposals. organizations" for separate status, proposal to change AMS from a work together to force the ad­ Hunter S. Thompson at least you If a trend towards surrounding ie. no right whatsoever to office student union to nothing more than ministration to provide more found out, say, how difficult it was the university with high-income space; and because it leaves the an overlarge sub-management facilities. But, first and foremost, to get ice during the seige of housing continues, the faculty, definition of "political" up to the committee, every such discussion it must be established that all Saigon, and what this means in students and staff will not only handful of students who form the or decision by the AMS is very student groups have equal right to terms of the conflict (if you are become more isolated from the AMS executive. "political." use these resources. really diligent). normal community, but also more This year's office allotment, But according to the SUB Secondly, as a result of the And it doesn't interest because, commonly associated with the rich which was made on the basis of this management committee's allot­ implementation of this policy this again, the style is so convoluted, and well-to-do of our province. unadopted policy, is a case in point. ment of offices this year, the only year only two groups were denied the message so obscure and the In addition, the university will The Gay Alliance Towards political organizations on campus office space, both of them political "insights" so petty that it leaves serve its students well if it helps Equality, the Women's Office, the are the Young Socialists, the groups. But how did the denial of nothing to wonder about aside from them find and preserve inex­ Young Christian Fellowship, the Young Conservatives, the Young two groups, who could have shared why the Ubyssey bothers running pensive housing, despite the op­ Crusaders for Christ have all Liberals, and the New Democratic the same one office, manage to it. position of wealthy developers'. received office facilities in SUB; Youth! resolve this overwhelming shor­ Really gang, the column blows. Students' council voted and so they should, they have Now, the AMS executive tage of space that is used to I think you should write it off as unanimously Wednesday to tell the every right to them; but we would members will argue against this motivate this discriminatory something that was, perhaps, developer it is opposed to his policy! worth trying, but that failed. proposals and I hope the entire For all of the above reasons we Lesley Krueger university will act unanimously in think that this SUB management grey eminence this matter. A little jawboning may policy has got to be thrown into the go a long way. THI IHYSStY dustbin, and quickly. Instead of Jake van der Kamp, SEPTEMBER 26,1975 defending the right to political Behind AMS president. Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the expression on campus it opens the Kiss my ass! university year by the Alma Mater Society of the University of door to political discrimination. Bruce Rutley Instead of uniting students in an B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the writer and not of the aggie 4 SUB policy effort to obtain the resources we Bob Groenveld AMS or the university administration. Member, Canadian. need to carry out various on- The SUB management com­ aggie 4 University Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page Friday, a weekly campus activities, this policy acts mittee of the Alma Mater Society is • commentary and review. The Ubyssey's editorial offices are to set one group of students against presently discussing a 28-page located in room 241K of the Student Union Building. another, a situation which this draft policy which is to be The logic of this letter escapes us Editorial departments, 228-2301; Sports, 228-2305; advertising, campus administration loves to see presented to the AMS executive for but we needed it to fill a tiny hole in rather than be faced with us adoption. Last Tuesday a 228-3977. Editor: Gary Coull this column. demanding that they meet our delegation of members and sup­ "War is heck," Ralph Maurer intoned arrogantly from his post tucked behind a swivel chair. "War is where you are," cried Marcus Gee, Mark needs and provide adequate porters of the Young Socialist club Buckshon, Doug Rushton and Gary Coull as they grabbed rubber bands and an ammo dump full of paper clips. "Heck is hell," moaned Sue facilities. The Ubyssey welcomes letters on campus presented an amend­ "Meeeee" Vohanka, Doug Field; Matt King and Peter Cummings as they from all readers. ment to the committee. caught clips between the eyes. The battle lines were drawn as reinforce­ Anyone who agrees with this ments came out of the war.press club crying "Where the heckarewe" and argument should attend the SUB Letters should be signed and We proposed that section A-l of doing a fast goose step. Len. MacKave, Heather Walker, Patti-Reay Stahl, management committee meeting typed. the proposed "Priorities for Office Gregg Thompson, Charlie Rendina and Anne Wallace all laid down their lives crying "without war there would be no profits." Nodding in next Monday at noon upstairs in Pen names will be used when the Allocations" be taken out com­ triumphant agreement were Mark Lepitre, Cedric Tetzel, Barry Jensen, Boyd McConnell, Eric Ice Berg, Sveinn Magnusson, Carl Vestervack, Tom SUB and help us to get this policy writer's real name is also included pletely from the draft. That section Barnes, Tom Barnes, Tom Barnes, Bob Diotte, Greg Strong, Ron Binns, for our information in the letter or Lorna Millard, Corbet Locke and Jean Randall. "Heck is war," Maurer changed. reads: "Because the SUB doesn't conclused wistfully. when valid reasons for anonymity have room to provide all political Joanne Clifton are given. points of view with office space, UBC Young Socialists Friday, September 26, 1975 T H,E UBYSSEY Page 5 soa m? Make student reps count

Finally, in April, 1975, meetings of with 50 faculty (25 per cent), from meetings, and . if student views are those who agree with his The following is an historical the board were declared open the law undergraduate society by representation drops below five opinions (oozing with bigoted piece on the battle for student (except for personal or contractual year — elections by the LUS (this per cent students have no power to pejorative though they be). Being a representation on decision-making debates). faculty shows the highest per­ effect a change. French teacher, it is surprising he bodies at the UBC. Corbet Locke, At the University of Calgary, for centage of student represen­ This was criticized by student hasn't encountered at any stage who worked for the University of example, the student newspaper tation); representatives because although the fair-minded perspective of Calgary's student newspaper for a The Gauntlet gained admission to Medicine: Twenty-two the act guarantees them Voltaire, who once declared: "I number of years and is now board meetings in March, 1972, representatives with 191 faculty representation on the senate and may thoroughly disagree with studying English here, talks about through the simple expedient of (eight per cent), eight un­ board of governors, they recognize what you say, but I shall defend to the need to utilize the represen­ phoning up the chancellor and dergraduates, eight residents, that these bodies generally the death your right to say it." tation now in existence. requesting admission. three in rehabilitation medicine "rubber stamp" sensitive In order to countervail Since there was no regulation and three graduate students — decisions made at lower levels — Bongieism at UBC, both students ByCORBETLOCKE prohibiting this The Gauntlet's elections to be conducted by the where ' the real power lies in and faculty members would do Students have been battering at representatives were there to medicine undergraduate society academic matters which most well to heed a reminder made by a the door to UBC's enclaves of observe the effects on students of and the rehabilitation medicine affect students. University of Calgary board of power since the "Great Trek" to proposed budget slashes. And society, with the residents and The real drive for student governors member, Mary Greene, the Point Grey campus in 1922. there were two student graduate students to be an­ representation at the decision­ at the first open meeting of, that Now, after decades of student representatives on the board to nounced; making level began in 1972, when board in 1972: "We seem to be striving in this direction, the door present the students' views Science: Twenty-four about 200 students walked into a forgetting, gentlemen, that the is slightly ajar. But it will take (though, candidly, it didn't do representatives with 358 faculty faculty meeting and demanded purpose ot this university is the strenuous and concerned student much good). (seven per cent), 18 from depart­ representation there. In the fall of students." effort to keep this door from being At UBC, the first chink in the ments, three from the science 1973 the Prang report was issued. slammed shut again. armor against student voices in undergraduate society, one from The Arts Undergraduate Society Substantial progress has been decision-making came in April, the general program, and one each president then, Bill Moen, objected Not violent made in the past decade. 1973. That month the senate from the first and second year; , to the Prang report on these UBC students have never been A critical meeting of the board of recommended that there be Graduate Studies: Thirty-five grounds: violent. Quite the contrary, they governors was held on Feb. 9, 1967, student representation ' in the representatives of 1,176 faculty "First,' it does not allow for have been eminently reasonable in a meeting which The Ubyssey senate (two representatives), (about half of the five per cent student representation from first their approaches to represen­ requested be open since major board of governors (two minimum recommended by the, and second year arts. Second, it tation. It is regrettable that this decisions were to be made af­ representatives), and on faculty senate), with the procedure for prohibits student representation on restraint and reason has not met fecting student finances and the councils and committees (a choosing them not indicated. some important committees which with an equal degree of respon­ quality of education. minimum of five, per cent of the The recommendations excluded the senate recommendations siveness in some quarters — and In an open letter to Mr. Justice members, and a maximum of student participation in the mat­ would allow. Third, it involves that students' sensitivity to student Nathan T. Nemetz, then-board twenty-five per cent)„ ters of the hiring and firing of electing student representatives to concerns has not been more chairman, then-Ubyssey editor The senate also recommended professors, promotion, tenure and senate by a mail ballot through a abundantly available on decision­ John Kelsey wrote: that the election ,of student scholarship. registrar, thus eliminating the making councils at UBC. "Although it is not required by representatives be conducted by With regard to the graduate constituent element and in­ However, the door has been the universities act of this the undergraduate and graduate studies faculty's nominal dividualizing the decision about pushed ajar after many years of province, the University of B.C. societies, not by faculty members. representation, the then graduate student representation com­ dedicated effort on the part of board of governors finds it Then the opposing pressure and studies dean Ian McTaggart- pletely." successive generatio'ns of students. necessary to meet in secret. qualifications began to build up. Cowan wanted the student Some of the reasons given for The only way to bongo Bongieism The then administration president representation lowered to 30 taking the election out of the is to make sure that there are Walter Gage appointed a com­ students rather than the 60 which students' hands were nothing short student voices in every pew Secretly mittee, chaired by professor five per cent representation would of indescribably contemptible available in , the university's Margaret Prang of the history accord because often less than 60 autocratic arrogance. French academic and governing hierar­ "This gives the university the department, to make recom­ members of the faculty attend department head Larry Bongie chies. character of a corporation, mendations on student meetings, and students could was quoted in the Ubyssey of Feb. although in reality its students are representation. conceivably outnumber faculty at 26, 1973 as saying that students more analogous to citizens than This committee reported in a meeting. No further comment is were "too irresponsible" and in­ employees. Municipal councils November, 1973, its recom­ needed on this view. capable "of fairly conducting the meet publicly and openly, moving mendations on student A task force on the future of post- elections, especially after viewing in camera only for personality representation being: secondary education In B.C., the arts undergraduate society Mad? discussions and certain con­ Agricultural sciences: Three headed at first by John Bremer, reaction to the registrar-run Got a beef, bitch or bone to pick? tractual debates." representatives with 52 faculty (six received submissions between the elections." Soapbox may be the forum for This appeal was rejected, though per centJ, comprised of two un­ spring of 1973 and the summer of Students at virtually all other you. Kelsey reasoned: dergraduates and one graduate — 1974 — when a new Universities North American universities seem The Ubyssey is interested in. "In the final analysis, the in­ the election to be organized by Act was passed. to be able to conduct their own articles from people who can terests of the board and of students student organizations; Bremer was fired several elections fairly and equitably clearly present a particular point is identical — a better UBC. If Applied Sciences: Sixteen months before the act was okayed (sometimes more so than their of view which is best published in students were privy to the board's representatives with 173 faculty by the legislature. more 'mature' elders), and we find the author's own words rather than deliberations, new information and (16 per cent), four from the The new act (it was last it difficult to believe that students in a news story by one of our new directions might be evolved engineering undergraduate revamped in 1963) recommends at UBC are less responsible and reporters. for the board by students. In society, 12 from various other between 10 per cent and 25 per cent fair than students at other The Ubyssey reserves the right return, students would gain a departments and programs — student participation on faculty universities, or in this case that not to print any articles the staff better understanding of the why of election procedures to be arranged committees, but ar. the discretion arts students are less responsible does not think fit the soapbox the university situation." by students and administration; of professors. The faculty need not than other students at UBC. format of topical, relevant In rejecting this application, the get senate approval to decide how Bongie probably figures that the material written in concise style. UBC administration president, many students may sit in on their only people with "responsible" John Macdonald, said: "The Ubyssey has compared the university to a municipality. This Arts low is not a valid comparison. The university is not a legislative body, Arts: Twenty-three represen­ but an institution devoted to tatives with 464 faculty (five per learning." cent), limited to honors, majors and graduate students by depart­ "IN THE SPIRIT OF LOVE" Macdonald failed to note that the ment or school. Arts was the only board itself is a legislative body for is an integrated study-guide prepared by the training task force of a constituency and community of faculty recommending that scholars (and those taking elections be conducted by the the Vancouver Reachout. The curriculum consists of 7 study- professional training), and that the registrar. fundamental purpose of the Commerce and Business Ad­ lectures on one-to-one discipleship. Christian community, and university is the students. ministration: Eleven represen­ tatives, with 71 faculty (15 per the gifts of the Spirit. Notingthat most members of the cent), one first year, two second board belong to the "corporate year, five third year and fourth elite," Alma Mater Society first- year students, and three in 7 teaching sessions based on this curriculum will be presented to vice president Charlie Boylan graduate studies — the elections to declared: "It's not enough to ex­ the Christian community on campus by local pastoral leaders. be conducted by the commerce press opinions as such, we want to undergraduate society; The studies will be held in S.U.B. Auditorium at 12:30 p.m. on share in the process of decision­ Education: Fifteen represen­ making." consecutive weeks, beginning on Wednesday, October 1. This theme has been echoed on tatives with 231 faculty ( six per most campuses, and more and cent), and no recommendation on more strongly at UBC since. election procedures or This opportunity for prayer, fellowship, and study is sponsored by: qualifications; Campus Crusade for Christ, Charismatic Christian Fellowship, Chinese Forestry: six representatives with 43 faculty (14 per cent), four Christian Fellowship, Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship, Navigators, Regent F.O'. back undergraduate with two graduate College, and Vancouver Reachout. All Christians on campus are invited to — elections to be conducted by the attend. Tuesday forestry undergraduate society; Law:' Twelve representatives Page 6 THE UBYSSEY Friday, September 26, 1975

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Public Service Fonction publique NOON TODAY—Boat Races-SUB Mall Canada Canada ., >. j j j.. i. J. J •••i»ipi«!piWip,iHi»,iHi»ipiBiBi^^ PF cuts novelists Sylvia Fraser, Graeme Gibson, Robert Kroetsch and Audrey The photos from the top clockwise are Graeme Gibson, novelist and current president Thomas from the herd at last weekend's forum with six Canadian novelists held in Brock of the Canadian Writer's Union; Robert Kroetsch, winner of the Governor General's Hall. See centre spread for the text of the interview. Helping out regular PF staffers Eric Award for fiction; poet, novelist and critic Margaret Atwood; novelist Audrey Thomas; Ivan Berg, poet and Creative Writing-Film graduate, and Robert Diotte, who recently Maritime writer and novelist Harold Horwood; and Toronto novelist Sylvia Fraser. did an MA thesis in modern Canadian fiction, is Geoffrey Hancock, a PF staffer and a The novelists were here to promote the awareness of Canadian Literature in the local freelance writer, as well as the editor of the Canadian Fiction Magazine. schools and among the general public. The weekend was sponsored jointly by the Centre Photographs are by John Sprague: ...... _.^^J_i___^___^_____^_^. for Continuing Education and the Canada Council. Ill^l!#ilM|^IJ|M^*&**vm*mt •PS#^:^

;j||p Tlits past weekend, Page Friday staffers Geoff Hancock, Bob Diotte and Eric Berg corralled some of Canada9s foremost writers Bob Diotte: One of the things students and still argue this case. Gibson: No, you didn't say. . . made. Now we are here hoping to he's in deep trouble. And then, that bothers me about this whole It's incredible! Diotte: Graeme, you see the make connections. It's as simple as alright, if that's the way a Novelist's Weekend is the fact that Thomas: Just the statistics that irony is you're professional writers that and as complex as that. Canadian publishing house is you people are here hyping your were quoted yesterday (Saturday) and here you are promoting Diotte: What effect does that competing with the Americans, books in a way. Pushing a kind of about B.C. and Canada in the Canadian Literature which is have on the Literature though? The what happens? They can't spend capital "K" Germanic "Kultur." schools — that really shocked me. really something different. fact that you're responding to a the same money on distribution, Does that bother you at all? Sylvia Fraser: Six point nine. To Berg: Capital "L." need out there instead of a need in they can't spend the same money Graeme Gibson: First of all I'm get the statistic on tape. Six point Kroetsch: (laughs) I guess as a here. on promotion because they don't not sure that we're here hyping up nine of . . . the question . . . well writer I'm offended by the cliche Fraser: Nothing whatsoever have it. our books. Surely that wasn't the lemme get it right. The question metaphor where you're metaphor because we write our books and Geoffrey Hancock: I also find it sense I had in coming. That is what was in 1972-73 did any students in is controlling your thinking. The this is entirely separate. alarming that in their Fall one is doing. It seems to me we your school take one concentrated minute you go into the Baby Thomas: In a way we came here Catalogue there is not one work of may be here in some sense. But term of Can Lit? And in Ontario the metaphor you've already trapped as people to discuss Canadian fiction from McClelland & Stewart, again it's not even hyping, one is answer was 70.5 per cent.* The yourself into questions and an­ literature rather than as writers of and in Ryerson's, and in James arguing for certain things. But I Atlantic provinces was 15 per cent. swers. I'm like Graeme, I'm not specific books. The readings are Lorimer's, and in Clark Irwin's. think it's got more substance than The prairie provinces it was 11.5 interested in your metaphor. That kind of an extra thing. They are Gibson: Jim Lorimer's never what hype would generally mean. per cent and B.C. it was 6.9 per it's a contemporary literature yes! paid for by the Canada Council, been into that kind of thing, you Eric Berg: What Bob meant was cent. And that was less than half of But the minute you say it's a they aren't even really part of the know, Jim Lorimer's never been "PR." By the very fact that you're the smallest and when you Contemporary Literature it's a Weekend as such. They are a very one of the three most successful here you're doing effective public examine the question the question different ball game we're talking extra, almost, if you like, a social houses. relations — or ineffective PR as was Do any students. . . And it about. . . isn't it? Or that's another aspect to a working weekend. At Thomas: Yes, you see there's a that may be, for your books. turned out when you examined that bad cliche but. . : It's a different least that's the way they seem to problem right there because the Gibson: I don't think that's the to be a few academic students in thing. The minute we say Here's a me. One wouldn't even have to fiction writers are going to go to central issue. grade 13. So that we think this is a new Literature • . . one of the hear the readings at all to make the small houses. The small houses Audrey Thomas: We were asked shocking state. I would say we are exciting things about it is there are sense out of the weekend. are the ones most hit by the unfair to come, we didn't ask to come. here out of a lot of good will and no Great Writers who'stand out the Kroetsch: I think in terms of business practices. I've had this The idea is to have a Weekend with caring. And I would also state way there are when we look at a Contemporary Literature in the because I publish with Talon Canadian Novelists. We're categorically that we are giving literature of the past. We're in this English language world Canadian (Talonbooks — Vancouver). I Canadian novelists, we write in more than we expect to receive. thing together. The sorting will be literature is as good as any —" publish with Knopf in the States. I British, American, Indian. . . If get all kinds of publicity and you want to go to better ones, I distribution (in the States). Here I suspect maybe Spanish America is publish with Talon as a kind of act more exciting. If I really had a of faith, an act of goodwill, if you choice of languages to be born into like, their (Talon's) distribution is I'd like to be a Chilean (laughs). absolutely zero. They're always on Thomas: Well formally they're the edge of bankruptcy and yet doing such exciting things. they do superb books. Kroetsch: But in the English language I would say it's as good Gibson: Anansi (House of Anansi as any and I don't want to start- — Toronto) is the same. weighing things. So the next thing Fraser: Reading Colin's story I is—let's talk about it. That's what I think that they (Canadian want to state. I mean I'm not even publishers) have" established in sellingyou necessarily. Let's talk their minds that spring's a better about it I say to people. time to bring out novels really. But Diotte: Let's talk about also Farley Mowat's book, The distribution. I was doing a little Snow Walker, is coming out this course out in South Van, in a fall. So I think that isn't quite as Community Centre, and there were bad as it sounds. REPORTER HANCOCK eyes open-mouthed writer Fraser. Kroetsch reflects upon wise words eight, people in it and nobody had Thomas: But it is true that you heard of Margaret Atwood, no done 50 years from now when we're go to the little presses. A great Canada. You know, the question is We spent one very very full day body had heard of Margaret many fiction writers go to the little unfair — obviously we're going to yesterday. We were kidding about all dead. But we're alive, we're Lawrence. And this is South trying to do something, we're presses to get books published and talk from our own books and from it, we all belong to the Writer's Vancouver! Ok, Where's our then they're in a kind of double our own experiences. Everybody Union, we were kidding and saying trying to make a literature con­ publishing industry at when we front people. It's there, the bind situation. They want to does that whatever their particular we should form a union because we don't have that kind of distribution, publish in Canada but it's like profession. The hype, it seems to had to work thirteen hours literature exists. I could name 20 or is it the publishing industry? novels. throwing them (books) down a me, has been more from the floor yesterday. Gibson: The publishing industry well. Thomas: If you call it a baby is trying to function — that part of in a sense than from the novelists Berg: God, that's overtime. Berg: Yes, and "publicity?" It literature you're giving a way out the publishing industry which is themselves. Well, that's terrific — Fraser: Yeah! Yeah, and I goes with "publishing" — do you to excuse its faults and a way in to interested in Canadian Literature I mean that's very rewarding, but I would say that our impulse for think there is enough of it in patronize it and both of those are — is trying to function in an unfair don't think we've been promoting being here, corny as it may be, is Canada — or what is the state of really dangerous positions. market, and they're finding it our own book or each other's books quite idealistic. That's the way I publicity in the Canadian Berg: No, by generic com­ extremely difficult to do so. And, at all. In fact we've been very feel about it and so I dislike the publishing marker that encourages parison, simply the length that as emerged yesterday, unfair careful. I know when I used an way the question was formed as or simply doesn't do a thing as Canadian Literature compared to market is manifest in a number of example yesterday I used it from hyping. I don't see that at all. fertilizer to help the novels come the American and the British ways. In many cases it's not even one of Margaret Lawrence's books Berg: I think one of the questions along? so we wouldn't get into any traditional history makes it a such or so much American that we're all concerned a bout here Thomas: Well they don't have discussion amongst ourselves rather young literature! domination as the domination of — and I think that one everyone is enough. about our own books. And I think Fraser: I don't think we're in­ American (publishing) thinking. In concerned about here is about this Gibson: They don't have the that we've avoided that. Why terested in being defensive about fact the business practise upon baby, this infant called Canadian money and in many cases they should we — there are better ways those kind of things. I think there is which publishing in Canada is Literature. As in the novel, as don't — I mean in some cases to promote books than to spend two a feeling in the air that there are a based is American business exemplified by the novel. Its living where are you going to publicize it. 12-hour days meeting at a lot of people who want to read practise which assumes extremely or dying condition. About how If in fact when you come to university. Canadian literature. There is a lot high runs. It costs 20 per cent more much pablum we're actually something like — what people read Berg: Right, you could hit all the stuffing into it via the publishers. of Canadian literature that to produce a book in Canada at a stretches back over a fair period of Canadian publishing house than it is "Time Magazine." Then it's supermarkets. Gibson: Now hold on, that's a awfully difficult, as Richard Roh­ Diotte: Well, there are better really provocative way of saying time. There are a lot of excited and does in the United States. And the exciting writers. Now it's a main reason for that is the size of mer demonstrated, to get an ac­ ways to promote books but the it...! curate reflection of the relative book as culture- now that's Berg: Well no actually. . . question of logistics, getting all the run' and the resultant per unit that together — reaching hands cost. And so that you get a importance of the book, in terms something a little bit different, I Gibson: It's not an infant, it's not commercially, through Time. would say. a baby, and it's not pablum! across — and I think that a lot of us (publishing) house like Jack have invested a fair amount of McClelland's — he knows that the They're not really willing to touch Robert Kroetsch: Well, it Berg: That's great but. . . N that kind of stuff. So that if you go depends how you mean culture. Gibson: . . .1 mean look — I don't energy doing that. And it is average Canadian is not prepared because we think we are respon­ or has not traditionally been into a bookstore in most places in Now we don't mean your capital K want to get into a game where you Canada the bestseller list that's by Kultur. It's just the pulture as a provoke us for your newspaper or ding to a need. Now you may prove prepared to pay a little bit more to to us otherwise but the feeling in be a Canadian. They're really the cash register is the New York way that we organize a society for whatever else. Times bestseller list. with it. The irony is that here we Berg: No, we're just here to. . . the air is that people wish to read unwilling to do'that. So he has to are in one of Uie hotbeds Gibson: It's not presented in a Canadian to know what is hap­ try and sell his books at the same Fraser: Also in the States they presumably of Canadian writing meaningful way! You're assuming pening in this country. And price as the American (publishers) play the numbers game. Great trying to establish a foothold for it's an infant, it's a baby and how because of a bloody stupid which means that his profit masses of books are thrown out on Canadian writing. It's a little hard much pablum we're stuffing in it. distribution system, because of margin, as it were, what he's the market and if anything starts to grasp once in a while. That's an Berg: No! I'm talking not about domination by the States, because playing with, is dangerously, to happen around that book then irony that bothers me, that we pablum from you — I said the of all those logistic, mechanical dangerously close. All he has to do they start to throw money into that have to come here and meet publishers. things, connections are not being is have a precarious season and book.. So we hear about the things Page Friday, 2 THE UBYSSEY Friday, September 26, 1975 mfmmmmmm^ mmm INTERVW feJ1* 1? 11 %»,

like Jaws. But they are fertilized it. You know, the fact that there any literature? what, that's when you have that by books that are infinitely better are critics denouncing art right Fraser: Well look at the size of kind of thing. That's when you have that sell less than a thousand and left — however they're the country. I'm not going to argue the writer who rewrites the same copies because it really is. I think defining it. And that seems to be it. that but I'm going to state book .over and over and over again Arthur Hailey has described the Kroetsch: Yes, that's good. You categorically that's what I feel. because they don't get any feed­ Doubleday System as sort of like know the writer is as special as I'm not going to argue that. back. they put all the books on a wheel God in a sense that other people Diotte: OK. Hancock: No — that's always the and they turn the wheel and are involved in the text im­ Fraser: But sure I think that one writer's dilemma though. You wherever it hits that's where they mediately in a real sense, and of the problems here is that we know — because we've got to throw their (publicity) money. It's that's good! don't have enough sort of popular balance the writing experience almost a. . . Hancock: I was thinking of a and trash literature. I think it's not against the life experience. At this point one has to realize that good example of course is original to say that out of that kind " Gibson: There seems to be a is where they are. They will come Berg: . . .a carnival at­ Margaret Lawrence because of pop bag there's a great deal of — problem in talking about the mosphere? to a Writer's Day but they won't there's critical books on her out that's the humous out of which writer. It seems to me in the in­ come to a Canada Day. And it's as Fraser: Yeah. And it is the luck almost as soon as her novels are off better things grow. I think that if terviews I did and the writers I've simple as that. What we are in­ of the draw, it's a case of the big the press. you are only looking for the great met that there are many different terested in doing as writers and sweepstakes because there's a Kroetsch: Yes, they must have novel then you are going to again kinds of writers. You know, and what the (Writer's) Union has great mass of anonymity you try to been reading the manuscripts, intimidate and wipe out a lot of there is no such thing it seems to already tried to open up in­ crash through. Once you crash some of the critics. developing people. So I think that a me as a writer where you can say formal. . . through the sky's the limit then, . Gibson: (laughs) Oh, most of country is healthiest when every that this person should be in a room Kroetsch: . . Talks. them feel they don't need to. level of writing is represented. And or shouldn't be in a room and millions and millions of copies. Gibson: We've got a group in Here it's entirely different. There Thomas: But don't you think this I think we are moving into that should have a certain period of is also a good place, even though position here. So I would hope a lot quiet and desperately needs the Montreal and we'd like to get is no big prize. Bestsellers — ten together with Quebec writers and thousand copies, fifteen thousand there's no big prize, there's of things that quote-unquote hurlyburly. I don't think, well it's enormous support that you don't shouldn't be published are the same question you come down we've done that once already in­ copies or so. Now say it takes, as formally and it was terrific! You we were talking yesterday, three get in the States. There's the published. to How do writers write? You Canada Council for instance — Thomas: And it's the small know, there's as many ways of know, because in a sense we do it years to write a book — figure that almost as if it (P.Q.) was a out as income. So really there is no there's no equivalent body in the presses that often do that. writing as there are writers. Now States. There is the, you know, Fraser: Yeah! Sure! there are things in common. separate country, you know, who big sweepstake or big payoff here. shared problems. And we'd really On the other hand, on the smaller National Arts thing and there's the Berg: Like your Talonbooks? Thomas: I'm not sure the prose Guggenheim (Fellowships) — but style peaks in the same way as • like to know the Cuban writers or scale, in terms of bringing out a Thomas: Yeah, like Talonbooks. whatever. Now that isn't to say first novel it's much more you've got to know people, you've Hancock: Except they athletic ability can peak if you got to be very very special in one train every day. It peaks when it's again that, in the Union we have an rewarding here. There is infinitely (Talonbooks) publish stuff that incredible range. I'm sure there more in the way of feedback. The form or another to get those prizes. should be published. ready to peak or it doesn't at all. And here there's the CBC which Gibson: And when the style and are some people who are appalled comparable sales of first novels Thomas: But they also publish by Separatism and other people here and in the States are not that will buy and pay reasonably well. stuff that maybe shouldn't be the content come together. There's all kinds of ways to pick up Thomas: And you can't hurry are sympathetic to Separatism. We much different — they're probably published. But that's alright, that's have that full personal range. But about the same. a living that don't seem to be open risk taking. that and if you do exclude yourself in the States. Even if there is this from society, even if your style as a union and organization of Berg: They're willing to do it. writers it seems thunderously Gibson: Another thing too is that big prize (bestseller) if you make it might peak, your content is going Thomas: And in the States they obvious that we can't invite them when a novel comes out here it is through the wall. to be divorced from the reality don't take those kinds of risks. to join us. We can't insist that they likely to be reviewed by the basic that's here. And that's very . Fraser: I'd go so far as to say Hancock: Sylvia (Fraser) has are Canadian writers if they don't newspapers and magazines. It dangerous. That does happen. You that they're almost, considering raised a good point though, and feel like it. What we are looking for probably will get Saturday Night get a perfect stylist with nothing to the size, of the country (United that in many cases some of the is some kind of interaction and (coverage), it probably will be say to the people outside. States), there's almost no writers we've got should shut up cooperation. Because there are reviewed in Quill & Quire, it literature there. And I think it's and keep writing instead of getting clear areas where we would probably will be reviewed in the Fraser: I think also that writing partly,because the system ruins — out there and getting into this type benefit. We would benefit by more Star and the Globe & Mail book isn't a natural progression. You I think that people do get "wiped of Forum — although it's very translation of stuff into . . . well I page which goes to some extent can write a very good book and out" before they develop and also important to a certain degree. Well as a writer would prefer to be across the country. Whereas an then a very bad book and really not the other thing happens. Norman I think Margaret Atwood is a very published in French in Quebec than experimental or first novel simply even know the difference in terms Mailer writes The Naked and the good example of a very fine writer be published in the United States. does not get that kind of coverage of your own subjective judgment of Dead and gets taken to paradise whose prose talent has not peaked I'd like to be published in both in the United States. It does not get it. It isn't a kind of thing, a craft, and celebrated and it's like a yet. And being on this type of places. into the New York Times, it does movie star — can he live with that barnstorming in fact detracts from that you get better and better at. I not get into the New York Review kind of thing? Maybe his career time 'that could be put to better think one of the tragedies is just as Audrey (Thomas) has said that Hancock: Another example there is a kind of point where you we've got down is Bob's (Kroet- get your style exactly right and sch's) mention of the Spanish you've run out of things to say. I Americans. In the next issue of the mean there are a lot of writers like magazine (Canadian Fiction that, a lot of well known writers. Magazine) I've got a story by But also my feeling is that I Joyce Marshall who's just un­ hesitate to define myself as a believably good. She's ex­ writer because if I'm a writer then perimenting with points of view, I have to write. Whereas I really changing points of view, and don't want to write unless I have subjective consciousness and what something to say. And I really not. I also mentioned that you believe in shutting up at times. I should read some of Julio Cor- think this pressure, well you know, tazar's stories which she'll never get this book out this year and heard of. Being a writer, in fact, another book out the next year. it's nice to try and be patriotic and That's false pressure, you're not it's another thing to be being a friend of writers if you try nationalistic. I think that the and. . . patriotic stance is a really good one Thomas: That's as bad as the to take but at the same time that academic publishing routine. the best Canadian writing should ATWOOD LOOKS FOR a lost sentence, while a friend surveys everyone else Berg: Yes, Publish And Perish is be judged by the same standards the new credo. as the best writing anywhere. Thomas: No writers want that of Books, it does not make it on the indicates he can't. I think a lot of purpose. kind of tenure, (laughter) Gibson: So should our worst. equivalent of Anthology (CBC writers are ruined by this massive Fraser: Oh come now, what do When we argue about quotas for Radio). So that what happens is kind of publicity — now Erica you want to do change her or. . . Diotte: Let's talk a bit about mass paperback book rights it's that in many ways this is a much Jong! Now what was that all about Berg: . . .silence her? healthy countries. What Canadian simply that we want to be there so better situation to be in if you are a really? From a . . . well let's not Gibson: There is another novel literature — I mean the French- that we can compete. writer. If you are aware of what get into that one (laughter). But I coming out (Margaret Atwood's). English thing of course is what I you're doing, it's to try and work think that the United States has a Hancock: Yeah, I know there's have in mind. The fact that Hancock: Yeah, I was going to out your own vision and your own system which ruins serious one coming out so. . . Canadian literature is in itself a mention that because in the brief structure and sales are something writers. Fraser: I think she's very good kind of separatist thing divided readings that were in the program that happens or doesn't happen Berg: Theycan't live up to their . . . what do you want? A Collette between English and French. What yesterday (Saturday), you know afterward. But if you're a working former Pr? locked in a room to produce, I can the. Writer's Union do about there was quite a mixed bag in practising writer here you get your Fraser: Well it pays .off mean let's be realistic. There's this this, what has it been able to do, terms of quality, however we're feedback and you're more likely to mediocrity so stunningly! whole business of feeling that a can it do anything or is it fair to ask going to define quality. You know get your audience. Diotte: Well I don't know that it writer should always be writing. it to do anything? there are some that are clearly not the best works, take for example Hancock: I was just going to does, but we've got a lot of One does need feed-in. You do from Canadians, Hugh Garner's raise that point. The fact that mediocrity too (in Canada). need to make contact with the Gibson: Well, there's a couple Death In Don Mills. Interesting Canada seems unique in that Berg: That means it encourages environment and the point of the ways of approaching it. I mean it's book, he's made his point that there's almost more critics on top mediocrity. masturbatory thing you are true in that when the question death in Don Mills (Ontario) is the of the artist before anybody else. Fraser: Sure, in fact I would be suggesting of someone locked in a came up yesterday on the floor it same as life in Don Mills, You know it may be to their happy to think we did have a lot of room spinning on and on her en­ says to me in some way that as (laughter) I set off on the joke (writer's) advantage — it may be mediocrity. dless tail. . . . writers we accept on some level (laughter). But in terms of the to their disadvantage. Diotte: You know in thinking of Hancock: . . .Nope. . . the separatist inclinations of story, you know, you can take dny Gibson: There's not many Joyce Carol Oats and John Updike, Fraser: . . .We have the. . . Quebec writers. Maybe only accept the Americans do have a very Gibson:. . .You keep talking and it insofar as we accept it and crime show and it's following the critics, there's a lot of reviewers. same sort of thing. Hancock: (laughs) In fact what strong literature. I mean how we'll lock you up (laughter). recognize that the point is to deal we have here almost exemplifies many front-runners do you get in Fraser: (laughs) Yeah! That's with Quebec writers on any level. See pfS: FORUM

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By GREG STRONG "Daddy,, when they take the body by Pusser's club. After a few competent production, direction Buford Pusser and the other well-placed shots and whacks, Walking Tall: Part Two is either bandages off your face, will you and writing the "true story" of characters, then the movie could look funny?" Steamer Riley is sufficiently Sheriff Buford Busser could have have had a much greater impact. an incredibly pretentious picture subdued to be taken to the jail, or it is a brilliant tongue-in-cheek become another "Serpico" or a Instead it is a series of cops and In yet another heartrending which in the case of most of "Jack Jefferson." One man robber shennanigans in Dixieland. satire of itself. During the very scene, several domino-playing old Pusser's enemies is the hospital. opening credits of the film the fighting against the large and Well, as Buford's father once men with tears streaming down Thus the movie drags on. Pusser director parallels the story of the corrupt machinery of criminal said, "we might as well be talking their cheeks, greet the newly and his deputies clad in combat actual club-carrying Tennessee organization. about planting soybeans or corn- recovered Pusser on his first day fatigues go sneak up on yet another sheriff named Buford Pusser to If we had truly come to know meal. . . ." We might as well. . . . back at work as county sheriff. still. Continuously a crime czar that of the Paul Bunyan legend. named Mr. Whitter keeps hiring Director Bellamy alludes that the "Just in case, you lost your club people to do a job on the elusive mythical "giant lumberjack" of last time Buford, we all chipped in Buford Pusser. the American Midwest barely for a new one," they chortle. dwarfs this filmed interpretation of The failures of the movie are the six feet six sheriff. basically due to the fact that the "He's got that old club" and once writers have simply failed to round again, all crime in the South takes out their characters and complete Sheriff Pusser, a big man who a beating. carries a club or baseball bat and them. As a consequence they are shuns guns, is played by actor Bo In one of the funniest scenes of not believable.. We are given no Svenson. Svenson chuckles, the mbvie, Steamer Riley, a important insight or revelations gewgaws and "aw shucks" his way drunken black and a giant in his into the sheriff's character or any through the entire movie. Un­ own right, is having a wild time at other major characters. We are doubtedly picked for the part the local bar throwing chairs merely shown his police dealings because of his size Svenson stands through windows, tables at with whiskey runners, in a con­ at least a foot taller than any of the customers and causing a general secutive fashion. other actors, looking more like the ruckus, Steamer cries gleefully, It is mainly due to the very crude "Friendly Giant" than the larger- "man I is so wrecked . . . ain't characterization in this picture than-life Sheriff Pusser. nobody gonna do nothing to me . . . that it does not assume the I feel so good!" And as if to prove it dimensions of a believable he throws another chair through tragedy. This, coupled with the the window. hackneyed dialogue, kept the Walking Tall: Part Two audience falling into the aisles with Directed by Saul Bellamy laughter throughout the film. Produced by C. C. Pratt The sheriff, after reminding Steamer that he will have enough Apparently no one could take the Starring Bo Svenson film seriously. Orpheum Theatre damage to pay for, also reminds him that if he doesn't go quietly his It is unfortunate that the film head will be separated from his was made this way, because under

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By RON BINNS am, I think, the only poet in any atrocity evaporates in the public seems to be at stake here, and the thrills at poetry readings, but Death and a woman's scheming English-speaking country to have mind: woman's reaction is a simple and comes to look shallow and hypocrisy are the only things a pointed this out (a) con­ Repentance, my son, stunning rejection: disposable on the printed page. The sensible man will bank on. tinuing gentility (has) afflicted this is short-lived; Unsure of the planets that rule, sheer prodigality of his Collected Irving Layton's latest anthology country for the better part of a an automatic rifle, however, finally Poems is ultimately monotonous, will inflame and delight cynics century." endures you walk away hand-in-hand which is why this selection is in its everywhere, as it serves up some I find this an astonishing a lifetime. with your pride own way so much more satisfying. timely reminders of his astute assertion, since as long ago as 1962, This ties in with the sardonic leaving behind your modern You only need to compare poetic perceptions. in a best-selling Penguin paper­ wisdom contained in "Recipe for a confusion Layton's "Proteus and the Layton can reasonably claim to back anthology, The New Poetry, Short and Happy Life." for philosophers to unravel. Nymph" with Yeats' "News for the be the grand old man of Canadian poet/editor A. Alvarez attacked Give all your nights And, Layton might have added, Delphic Oracle," to see the dif­ poetry, with an impressive list of 28 what he called ".the gentility to the study of the Talmud. poets. ference between an accomplished volumes of poetry to his credit. principle" operating in twentieth- By day practice The Unwavering Eye has a verbal technician and a major This new anthology is intended century British poetry. shooting from the hip. strong international flavor to it, poet. Ultimately his own "hangup and features Layton's globe­ with language and beauty" is on a as a follow-up to the 1969 Selected "The concept of gentility still Poets often seem to need to exist Poems, and selects from Layton's reigns supreme," protested trotting responses to landscapes level with Rupert Brooks', as in a field of contradictions in order and cultures as various as perhaps Layton implicitly five subsequent volumes, The Alvarez. "And gentility is a belief to keep their psychic options open Whole Bloody Bird, Nail Polish, that people are always more or less Australia, Greece and the Far recognizes in his elegaic and prevent petrifaction setting in, East, with the hot hedonistic world celebration of the poet: romantic, Lovers and Lesser Men, the Pole- polite, their emotions and habits and in Layton's case the poems are Vaulter, and Seventy-Five Greek more or less decent and more or of the southern hemisphere win­ accomplished, yet essentially born under the pen of a man who ning out every time over the drear lightweight. Poems. less controllable. In the last half- claims to be a Marxist, yet who century we are gradually being industrial nations of the west. The At his finest Layton nevertheless supported the U.S.A. in its Vietnam contrast is beautifully caught in The Unwavering Eye. made to realize that all our lives, is capable of some brilliant venture, a humanist who is touched 'Nepalese Woman and Child' as Irving Layton, even those of the most genteel and visionary lines, as in his marriage by suffering yet who nevertheless Layton juxtaposes the happy dope- Selected Poems 1969-1975. enislanded, are influenced of corrupt western experience with supports violence as a mode of smoking peasant with the earnest McClelland and Stewart. $4.95 profoundly by forces which have Greek paganism in "Party at survival, and a sensitive love do-gooders from abroad: paperback. nothing to do with gentility, lyricist who denies that he is a Hydra": decency or politeness. These are chauvinist but who continues to Switzerland exports Many are abushed by the This book fulfills the program the forces of disintegration which indulge in sexist generalizations like wrist watches and cheese silence and many never find their announced in the introductory destroy the' old standards of like: nice-smelling intelligent women way to teach your their unhappiness. poem, 'The Skull.: civilization. Their public faces are not being handicapped in the To the house where the perpetual The major contrast remains Out of my wrecked marriages those of two world wars, of the least by vision or party is going on. between Layton's experiences in disappointments with friends concentration camps, of genocide, creativity, women are by far If you are on the lookout for Greece and those of his Canadian the rime time deposits and the threat of nuclear war." the stronger sex monsters or demons on heart, imagination And Alvarez went on to include homeland. Greece is projected as You will not find their legs This is supposed to be witty, but an honest, fertile pagan land, full sprawled on the terraces. And earth's magnetic pull poems by John Berryman, Robert so much masculine contempt for downwards to the grave Lowell, Anne Sexton, Sylvia Plath of appeal to the goodnatured They are all assembled at the women is masked under just such hedonist in Layton, in sharp house thrashing one another I want to write poems and Ted Hughes, all (maybe with styles of phony good humor. as clean and dry the exception of Sexton) greater contrast to Canada, where his With extracts from diaries whose and as impertinent poets than Layton, and whose When he tries hard enough fellow countrymen, pages fly open releasing as this white skull. writing exemplifies just such a Layton can come up with superb chew branflakes and crabmeat beetles. . . Layton's recent poetry continues response to the darker, more poetry about women, which far gossip make love "If you wish to know more about to deal in his favorite topics, love savage edges of twentieth-century transcends his posture as neo- take out insurance against fires love listen to.the crickets on the and lust, tempered by an in­ experience. Byronic stud. For example, in "To and death moon creasing concern with the prospect Though Layton is a romantic, the Woman With the Speaking while our poetesses explore their And emulate the shining of the of death. forever concerned with the impact Eyes" he writes about a modern depressions stars but do not become one." I like the direction Layton's of events on his own racy sen­ kind of woman who is confused in in delicate complaints regular as I hardly ever buy poetry, and I poetry has taken in these recent sibility, he does not allow the her life, yet an enigma: menstruation. rarely trust poetry-reviewers (who volumes, and this slim 155-page horrors of modern history to It is not men you fear in a goldfish-bowl culture like anthology is a very attractive piece overwhelm him, as to some extent but the tenderness they make If Layton has an Achilles heel it Canada's are usually sucked into of merchandise, good value for the they did Sylvia Plath. you feel for them. is that he is too willing to expend the obligation to be polite) but this price of an LP, and just the thing to Two of the finest of Layton's his talents on snappy occasional anthology is one that your Some strange vulnerability carry around with you to read on public poems, 'The Final Solution' verse of the kind which generates bookshelf is hungry to have. buses or in coffee bars. and "The Ventriloquist' are in­ In his forward, Eli Mandel formed by a perception of the quotes Layton's claim that "the monstrous shadows in con­ poetic rhetoric of our times has not temporary German life, but his attempted to assimilate the ex­ response is distant, purged of perience of Auschwitz, Belsen and shock, numbly recognizing that (Mb^JNUS Gulag. This is true for the poets reality is too banal, "too ordinary living in English-speaking coun­ for ghosts or grief." tries, not true for poets in Poland, "After Auschwitz" is more biting EXHIBITION Czechoslovakia and Germany. I in its cognition of how swiftly /4NDSALE OF FINE ART PRINTS

SPONSORED BY ! • • Forum ALMA MATER j Hancock: Also Perrault, a fine hairdresser, our own perverted thriller writer. But you can't put hairdresser. Perrault and Harlow, you know Gibson: That's right, from SOCIETY | Scann, together in the same room ' London, Ontario. The thing is that .featuring the works of Chagall, Dali, Matisse, because they're the two opposite we're being forced into this and as ends of fiction — and that's what's someone has said the ex­ Breughel, Cejanne,Van Gogh, still great about fiction. Fiction has traordinary thing about Canadian Homer, Klee, Monet,-Magritte, Picasso, Miro, got these incredible extremes. literature is that almost all the Bosch, Renoir, Toulouse-Lautrec, Wyeth , Berg: Which is its vitality. writers are serious. You know the Gauguin, Rembrang\^scher and others. Hancock: Yeah. But just extraordinary thing about writing because it's "Canadian" — and in Canada at the moment is the "Group of Seven" Sylvia (Fraser) was perfectly vast — I mean the high profile right in stating the fact that our influential writers are all serious PRICES "popular fiction" . . . craftsmen. Or craft-creatures. SHOREWOOD PRINTS Gibson:. . .should be more of it. Fraser: You know I keep being EA FOR Hancock: Sure and there should bothered by this word standards. $2.75 3 $7.00 be more. We keep throwing it out as if there Gibson: Sure, I mean one of the is something called standards that NEW YORK GRAPHIC SOCIETY big problems one tends to get is very measurable. That it's like a Tnnrw PRINTS <2 AND UP locked into by the market con­ yardstick and you put it against ditions we have: is that we are this novel and you say well almost forced into a kind of elitist Characterization: 50, Plot: 75. You DME LAST DAY role for the novel. Because we know, that kind of thing. There can't get to where most people are isn't such a thing as a homogenous TIME JO a.m. to 6 p.m. ; there aren't enough people here standard that anybody recognizes. writing the equivalent to The There are two ways of looking at a PLACE STUDENT UNION BLDG. 2nd Floor Happy Hooker — or whatever it is book. One is your kind of emotional — The Happy Canadian. reaction whether it's a real fact or Fraser: The Happy Hairdresser, just kind of an enjoyment quotient Over 1200 different Shorewood didn't we have one? — whether you were glad you read Berg: Shampoo? it in terms of an investment of time and Hew York Graphic Society prints Fraser: Oh, we had our own and everything else. f r.idfjy} September S^ 1975 THE, U. B YS;SE Y Paste, Friday.•'& others tuffotherstuffotherstuffotherstaffo^ Work playing and paying

By ROBERT DIOTTE act lets the story out completely. a celebration of a phenomenal characters, except the lady Mendlesohn of biological history is Thomas Cone's Whisper to Cone's ability to play with the moment when the auspices of physicist, staring up. into the the one associated with genetics Mendlesohn, scheduled to close at motley collection of characters his either chance or fate directed their audience preparing to greet the and laws of genetic probabilities. the Arts Club Theater September situation has given him is manifest meeting. Each of the characters, return of the beings from another Thus, what Cone is saying is that 27, is as interesting and throughout the course of this for their diverse reasons, were planet. The physicist is screaming someone better tells these people provocative a piece of theater as gradual unfolding of the story. It is outside the subway station when from a balcony that she refuses to that something is very confused one is likely to find in Vancouver. done with a humor that is un­ they witnessed the appearance of go along with the others, rejecting here and I think it's right here in Given that it is a new play, jointly derscored by the nagging question colored particles, specks that what she sees as the absurdity of the old brain. The strength of produced by the New Play Center whatisgoingon here? It is entirely possessed a life manner of their their delusions. It is done with Cone's insight is that he does not and the Westcoast Actor's Society, effective to that end. own, one superior to terrestrial sufficient seriousness to catch the try to push aesthetic conclusions on with its premiere at the Arts Club The use of invention to heighten beings. The use of the science audience between the poles of its us. What he projects is a rational Theater, one would have to go far the drama is excellent. At one point fiction genre and its conventions is ambiguity. On the one hand, the contradiction. to beat it for unexpected and the girl, Delores Lenille, mimes good, allowing Cone to amplify the characters are crazy, the lady spontaneous theater enjoyment. the voice of operatic great Joan dimension of imaginative interplay physicist the only rational voice Though it falters in the third act Sutherland which is being played a person can carry on with the among them while, on the other, when the psychological con­ Through the first two acts, the on a small tape recorder. Later the mundane spaces around he or she, there is truly something sistency of the characters is play maintains a challenging pace lights on the stage area are turned while, at the same time, he sets up remarkable about to take place. broken and dramatic in­ utilizing suspense and dramatic off, the entire theater going black, a vehicle to comment on the The audience is then abandoned to ventiveness is reduced to a rather inventions to keep the audience as Mr. Mendlesohn tries to take a pseudo-scientific bias the its own sentiments at this point. hackneyed use of conventional guessing. The basic situation is a group portrait of the other technological rationality has What emerges ultimately is the mythology, the play was an in­ group of people gathering in a characters. The ensuing strobe like manufactured for itself in an effort tension in the technological teresting bit of theater. Cone's subway station to celebrate the effect of the camera's flash is to get control of the human animal. rationality itself. Its imaginative originality was present almost first anniversary since they first something one has to see to believe In the play, the extra-terrestrial content is tinged with an emotional everywhere. In fact, at times the came together. The characters the incredible bewilderment the beings come across with a basic drive to self-transcendence, to material got the better of the cast. technique works in the drama. include a news stand vender, the ambiguity that oscillates between partake of some reality greater It was unfortunate to see Cone Mendlesohn of the title, a hack poet In fact, Cone's theme deals with satire and apocalypse. The sym­ than the individual. But opposing run out of ideas and resort to and his physicist wife, a southern invention. The kind of imaginative biotic relationship of all life, this side is the voice of science, the Groucho Marx one liners in the gentleman, a prim and inventions that constitute a terrestrial and extra-terrestrial, in language of reason and objective context of a gratuitous mythic play imaginatively stilted girl, a gypsy culture's attempts to live with the the evolutionary development perception. An impartial, analytic within the play that had so little to woman, a shy research assistant reality of reflecting tiles and stark from historical stage to stage is the persona, this side wants do with the central thrust of the and the station's attendant. subway stations. The essential message delivered by the other desperately to be rid of the other drama. loneliness of the characters is world specks. They have come half even to the point of running Whisper To Mendlesohn portrayed in the random details ostensibly to shape the planet up so away from it. I understand Cone is starting to Written by Thomas Cone that evolve from the drama about that the universe can advance to The irony in the title, then, pay the bills handsomely with the Directed by Jace van der Veen each, in their deportment on stage, the next stage of its development. Whisper to Mendlesohn, lay in the fruits of his writing. This says Designed by Jeffrey Dallas and in the embarrassed silences If any one world is not in step then focus of the dialogue between these more for the state of drama today at the Arts Club Theater that occur occasionally, the it retards the whole process. two sides of the rational psyche. In than anything else to my mind. characters catching themselves Similarly if one world destroys the play, the shy research assistant When cities like Vancouver can The. drama toys with this looking awkwardly over their itself then the whole works goes up whispers to Mr. Mendlesohn very foster a talent like this and export situation, revealing its details shoulders. as a direct result. early something the audience it east of the rockies, there is a slowly until the end of the second As it turns out, the anniversary is The play ends with all the never hears. Of course, the very healthy theater breathing. Adult entertainment only

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That loss was a 21-17 defeat after winning their opening two has another streak on the line this College Redmen. record puts them in third place in suffered at the hands of the games there is no doubt in Saturday when they take on the Last Saturday they suffered the standings, half a game ahead of Dinosaurs. anyone's mind that they are a University ,of Calgary.Dinosaurs. their first loss of the season when the University of Alberta Golden All this means the 'Birds are serious contender for the cham­ The 'Birds have yet to lose at home critical mistakes at crucial times Bears. going to have their hands full come pionship. this season. resulted in a 43-17 win for the The Dinosaurs have a tenuous Saturday Quarterback Don Siler has .In their previous two home University of Saskatchewan hold on first place with wins in both In their two meetings with the combined with receivers Larry games the 'Birds have come away Huskies. their league encounters. Half a Dinos last year, UBC was beaten Leatham and Shane Wylie to form with a 38-7 win over the University As the game with the Redmen game behind them are the Huskies, twice. The first loss was a the best aerial attack in the con­ respectable 19-14, the second a 61-0 ference. shellacking in Calgary. This, combined with the running This year, of course, the 'Birds ability of last year's all-star, Dan have a different team and a dif­ Diduck, makes for a wide open ferent outlook. Dan Smith and Calgary offence. Diduck is Penn's Greg Gardener have both main competition as the best demonstrated that they can play rusher in the league; the Dino has quarterback in the Western In­ already gained over 200 yards in tercollegiate Football league. It one game this season. makes the first time in years that Both teams have demonstrated UBC has had any depth in this exceptional passing attacks position. complemented with outstanding Sonny lasses do we// Moreover with Gary Metz and running games. It looks like a Digby Leigh the 'Birds have two wide open game for Saturday. By CARL VESTERBECK "We just didn't have the com­ "We did well, really," said people who can catch the ball — a When one considers that both FLASH: The Thunderette field petition over here to help us im­ Aronson. necessary component of a passing defenses have been prone to lap­ hockey team has just returned prove much more," said manager "We lost 5-1 to Glasgow attack that has, to say the least, ses, the possibility of a high scoring from Edinburgh where they played Jan Aronson. University, 5-4 to Edinburgh, tied been rare at times. game that either side can win becomes even greater. .... Edinburgh? As in Scotland? "Some of the best university Trinity College and Glasgow The 'Birds also can balance their Robbie Burns, and Loch Ness, the level hockey is being played in Selects 1-1, and beat the Scottish potentially potent passing attack At half time there will be a high road the low road, and all Scotland, as we found out last year Selects 4-1." with a dangerous ground game. celebration marking the 60th that? What 'n earth were they when Edinburgh University played Aronson pointed out the Thun­ Gord Penn has shown he is one of anniversary of UBC. doing there? against us here at UBC. So we derettes were not quite up to snuff the top runners in the league this Game time is 2:30 p.m. A large for the games. year, averaging over 100 yards per crowd is expected again. thought we'd repay the visit." game thus far. Bernie Crump is It was an expensive jaunt for "Two of our players were with also gaining experience as a most of the team members. They the national team at an in­ PANGO PANGO (UNS) - The Intramurals running back and is fast becoming official sports hall of fame here has had hoped to receive a grant ternational tournament. We're more than a potential threat, Feel like a good Turkey Trot through the federal government's used to playing with them in the announced a new record for today? If you do, and you are a having scored a touchdown in each reciting the alphabet backwards cultural exchange programs, but lineup and our . play suffered of the 'Birds' last two games. UBC student, go see the people in were turned down. But acting without them. Also, the week of while humping a horny camel Intramural sports. on the assumption that the grant training in London tired us a little. The Dinos seem to have been during a cross-country race last There are other things besides would be made, they went ahead But the experience was invaluable. relishing their role as a somewhat year. Turkey Trotting, of course. For and made arrangements. When the We'll definitely be better this men there are about 24 sports in veto came through, they found year." all, including basketball, themselves several thousand Last year, the Thunderettes took volleyball and hockey. Women can dollars short with time running engage in swimming, slow-pitch, first place in a city league, and tied out. for first in the Canada West volleyball, hockey and 14 others. CUSTOM SCREENING - Most of the activities go for about "We ran bingos and dances — all tournament. six weeks: by then everyone's fed the traditional money raisers, but "We're one of the best teams in & up with them. All are free except we couldn't make up the deficit. Canada," Aronson said. IRON-ON TRANSFERS We had to pay a lot of money out of "We should do well again this hockey, which costs $50 per term OVER 400 DESIGNS for each team. If you want to play our own pockets. 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