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The PRESIDING OFFICER. If there be no objection, the course and it should go to the House for action upon the amend question will be put on concurring in the amendments in gross. menta. The question is on concurring in the amendments made as in Com- Mr. CARTER. At this late hour in the session I believe it is mittee of the Whole. important to expedite the public business as rapidly as possible. The amendments were concurred in. Mr. PETTIGREW. The Senator will expedite the bill faster The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill is in the Senate and open if he will pursue the usual course. to amendment. Mr. ALLISON. I do not believe we shall advance rapidly the Mr. PETTUS. I ask for a vote by yeas and nays. progress of the bill by requesting a conference now. The PRESIDING OFFICER. If no amendment be proposed, Mr. PETTIGREW. It will not advance the progress of the the question is, Shall the amendments be engrossed and the bill be bill; that is sure. read a third time? 1\Ir. CARTER. Then I withdraw the motion. Mr. COCKRELL. In consequence of the amendments which Mr. PETTIGREW. I move that the Senate adjourn. have been put on the bill in regard to the Philippine Islands and Mr. ALLISON. I ask the Senator to withdraw that motion Cuba I shall feel constrained to vote "nay." for a moment. . The amendments were ordered to be engrossed and the bill to be The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator· from South 1·ead a third time. Dakota withdraw his motion temporarily? The bill was read the third time. Mr. PETTIGREW. I move that the Senate do now adjourn . . The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill having been read three Mr. ALLISON. I ask the Senator from South Dakota to with- times, the question is, Shall the bill pass? draw that motion until I can make a report. Mr. BERRY and Mr. TELLER called for the yeas and nays, Mr. PETTIGREW. I shall insist upon my motion. and they were ordered. Mr. ALLISON. I hope that will not be done until I have had The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. 1 an opportunity of reporting the sundry civil appropriation bill Mr. HANNA (when his name was called). I am paired with with amendments in order that it may be printed. the Senator from Utah fMr. RAWLINS]. I transfer my pair to the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on the motion Senator from Maryland [Mr. WELLINGTON], and vote. I vote of the Senator from South Dakota to adjourn. ·" yea." The motion was not agreed to. Mr. HEITFELD (when his name was called). I announce my SUNDRY CIVIL APPROPRIATION BILL, pair with the Senator from New York [Mr. PLATT]. If he were Mr. ALLISON. I am directed by the Committee on Appropii· present, I would vote "nay." ations, to whom was referred the bill (H. R. 14018) making ap- Mr. TALIAFERRO (when his name was called). I again an- propriations for sundry civil expenses of the Government for the nounce my pair with the junior Senator from West Virginia [Mr. fiscal year ending June 30, 1902, and for other purposes, to report ScoTT]. If he were present, I would vote "nay." it with amendments and to submit a report thereon. I ask that The roll call was concluded. it may be placed upon the Calendar. Mr. MORGAN. I transfer my pair with the Senator from The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill will be placed on the Pennsylvania [Mr. QUAY] to the Senator from Nebraska [Mr. Ca1endar and the report will be printed, under the rule. ALLEN] and vote "nay." 1\Ir. LODGE. I move that the Senate adjourn. M r. MASON. I am paired with the junior Senator from Mis- The motion was agreed to; and (at 1 o'clock a.. m. Thursday, sissippi [Mr. SULLIV A.Nj' and therefore withhold my vote. February 28, 1901) the Senate adjourned until Thursday, Febru- The result was announced-yeas 43, nays18; as follows: ary 28, l901, at 11 o'clock a.m. YEAS-43. Aldrich, .Dolliver, Kean, Proctor, Allison, Elkins, Kearns, Quarles, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Bard, Fairbanks, Lodge, Sewell, Beveridge, Foraker, McComas, Shoup, WEDNESDAY, February 27, 1901. Burrows, Foster, McCumber, Simon, Carter , Gallinger, McMillan, Spooner, The House met at 12 o'clock m. Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. Chandler, Hale, Nelson, Stewart, HENRY N. COUDEN, D. D. Cullom, Hanna, Penrose, Thurston, ~he Journal of yesterday's proceedings was read and approved. Deboe, Hansbrough, Perkins, Warren, Depew, Hawley, Platt. Conn. Wetmore. DAILY HOUR OF MEETING. Dillingham, Pritchard, Jones, Nev. Mr. PAYNE. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that dur NAYS-18. ing the remainder of this session the daily hour of meeting be 11 Bacon, Cockrell, Martin, 'Tillman, o'clock in the morning instead of 12. Bate, Culberson, Mor~n, Tm·ley, J3wry, Hoar, Pett1grew, Turner. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York asks unani Butler, Jones. Ark. Pettus, mous consent that during the remainder of the session the hour of Clay, Mallory, Teller, ~eating be 11 o'clock instead of 12. Is there objection? [After a NOT VOTING-27. pause.] The Chair hears none, and it is so ordered. Allen, Frye, McEnery, Scott, CLAIM OF GUISEPPE DEFINA. Baker, Harris, McLaurin, Sullivan, Caffery, Heitfeld., Mason, Taliaferro, The SPEAKER laid before the House the following message Chilton, Kenney, Money, Vest, from the President of the United States; which was read, and, Clapp, Kyle, Platt, N.Y. Wellington, Clark. Lindsay, Quay Wolcott. with the accompanying papers, ordered to be printed, and referred Daniel, McBride, Rawlins,1 to the Committee on Claims: So the bill was passed. To the Congress: I transmit herewith, for the consideration of Congress, in connection with Mr. CARTER and Mr. NELSON addressed the Chair. my ~essage of January 29, 1901, relative to the lynching of certain Italian The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Montana. subJects at Tallulah, La., a report by the Secretary of State touching a claim Mr. NELSON. I desire to give notice that- for ::;5,000 presented by the Italian ambassador at Washington on behalf of Gui:;eppe Defina on acc01mt of his being obliged to abandon his home and The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Montana is busmess. recognized. WILLIAM McKINLEY. Mr. NELSON. To-morrow morning, at the close of the routine EXECUTIVE MANSI0:8, business, I shall ask the Senate to proceed to the consideration of Washington , February 26, 1901. the river and harbor bill. RETURN OF BILL TO SENATE. Mr. CARTER. I move that the Senate insist upon its amend By unanimous consent, the following resolution of the Senate ments to the Army appropriation bill just passed, and ask a con was read, considared, and agreed to: ference with the House of Representatives on the disagreeing Resolved, That the Secretary be directed to request the House of Repre votes of the two Houses, the conferees on the part of the Senate se~t~tives t
Mr. PAYNE. Mr. Speaker, it is impossible to hear, there is so lao, 1902, having met, after full and free conference have agreed to recom· much confusion. mend and do recommend to their respective Houses as follows: The SPEAKER What is th t' f th tl ? That the Senate recede from its amendments numbered ll and 13. · ~ mo 10~ 0 e gen eman. That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendments of the ::M:r. COX. I move to concur m the Senate amendment. Senate numbered 2, 3, 4:, 6, 7, 8, 9,10, 12, H, 15,16, 17, 18, 19, 20,21 and agree to The question was taken, and the motion was agreed to. theThsameth.at e House rece de from 1ts . dJ.Sagreement . to the amendment' of the FRANK B. CASE. Senate numbered 1, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: After the wo~·d "Navy," a~ the end of line 17, page 1 of the amendment The SPEAKER laid before the House the bill (H. R. 11598) for ad~: "or Marme Corps, until two years after the graduation of the class of the relief of Frank B. Case, with Senate amendment. which he was a member;" and the Senate agree to the same. That the Honse recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the The Senate amendment was read. Senate numbered 5, and agree to the same with amendments as follows: On Mr. MUDD. Mr. Speaker, I move to nonconcur in the Senate page 2 of the amendment, lines 17 and iS, strike out" allowance and emoln· amendment and ask for a conference. ments;" and on page 3, line 6, strike out" officers and;" and the Senate agree The motion was agreed to. to the same. J. A. T. HULL, The SPEAKER. The Chair announces the following managers CHAS. DICK. on the part of the House: Mr. METCALF of California, Mr. WATSON JAMES L. S!.AYDEN, of Indiana, and Mr. MEYER of Louisiana. Managers on the part of the House. W. J. SEWELL, WILLIAM E. WOODBRIDGE. F. E. WARREN, The SPEAKER laid before the Honse the bill (H. R. 149) refer· W. A. HARRIS, ring to the Court of Claims the claim of William E. Woodbridge for Managers on the part of the Senate. compensation for the use by the United States of his invention re- The statement of the Honse conferees was read, as follows: lating to projectiles, for which letters patent were ordered to issue Amendment No.1 relates to examinations for admission of cadets to the Military Academy and to hazing. The Honse recedes from its disagreement to him March 25, 1852, with Senate amendment. to the amendment and agrees to the same with an amendment limiting pen· The Senate amendment was read. alty to two years after gra.duation of class, and making it apply to Marine ~Ir. MAHON. Mr. Speaker, I move to nonconcur in the Senate Corps. Amendments Nos. 2, 3, and 4 are corrections of errors only, and House re· amendment. cedes. The motion was agreed to. Amendment No.5 relates to military band at the Academy and establishes by la.w the band as now organized. The House recedes and agrees to the RETURN OF BILL FROM THE PRESIDENT, same with an amendment which r;ives the teacher of music the pay of a ::M:r. LOUDENSLAGER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous con· second lieutenant, but refuses him the right to be retired as an officer. Amendments Nos. 6, 'l, and 8 are corrections, and House recedes. sent for the present consideration of a concurrent resolution. Amendment No.9 simply specifies number of paragraphs. 'rhe Clerk read as follows: Amendment No.10 simply transposes words. Resolved by the House of Rep1·esentatives (the Senate concurring), That the Amendment No.ll reld.tes to pay of master of swords. and Senate recedes. President be requested to retnrn to the Honse the bill of the Honse (H. R. Amendment No.l2 gives the master of swords the rank of first lieutenant, 0000) granting an increase of pension to Henry B. Shell. and provides that when a vacancy occurs in the office an officer of the Army The should be detailed. The Honse recedes. The SPEAKER. Is there objection? [After a pause.] Amendment No.13 relates to totals, and Senate recedes. Chair hears none. Amendment No. H relates to additional facilities for lecture rvoms. The resolution was agreed to. Amendment No. 15 makes an $80 appropriation immediately available. Amendment No. 16 relates only to the total. MILITARY ACADEMY APPROPRIATION BILL. Amendment No. 17 increases the appropriation for the cemetery. Amendment No. IS appropriat-es for two double sets of officers' quarters, Mr. HULL. .Mr. Speaker, I submit the following conference and House recedes. report. I ask unanimous consent that the report be not read, but Amendment No. 19 inserts appropriation for roads left out by mistake. that the statement be read. Amendment No. 20 makes an additional appropriation for officers' quarters and mess. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa asks unanimous Amendment No. 21 relatE>s only to total appropriation: consent to dispense with the reading of the report, and that the J . A. T. HOLL, statement only be read. · CHAS. DICK 1\f.r. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. We want to be able to learn JAMES L. SLAYDEN, what this is first. Man.age1·s on the part of the House. Mr. HULL. It is the Military Academy bill. Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, I desire to inquire-- The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the title of the bill. --Mr. HULL. ::M:r. Speaker, I have the floor. What does the The Clerk read as follows: gentleman wish? A bill making appropriations for the support of the Military Academy for Mr. SULZER . .r desire to inquire of the gentleman from Iowa the fiscal year ending June 30, 100.3. if this report is unanimous? Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Before consent is given, I M!'. HULL. Absolutelynnanjmous; sjgned by all the members ask that the report itself be ordered printed in the RECORD. of the committee of the Senate and the House, on both sides. Mr. HULL. Mr. Speaker, I will state to the gentleman- Mr. LIVINGSTON. M.ay I ask the gentleman to explain that Mr. SULZER. I would like to inquire how long this report is? amendment with an amendment touching hazing? The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Tennessee was a::;Jring The SPEAKER. The Chair mnst ask the House to be in order. the gentleman a question. Gentlemen actively trying to discharge their duties can not hear ::M:r. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. I ask that the report be for the conversation on the floor of the Honse. printed, although not read. Mr. LIVINGSTON. I should like to hear the gentleman make Mr. HULL. I want to say to the gentleman from Tennessee an explanation of the amendment as amended. this is the same report as was submitted before and rejected by Mr. HULL. Mr. Speaker, I will say that the amendment in re· the Senate on account of a code of laws being inserted on hazing. gard to hazing was the only objection encountered in the former Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Does the gentleman say it conference report. At that time the committee of conference in· has been printed? sert~d in lien of the provision of the Senate the bill as prepared Mr. HULL. It ha.s been printed a week ago. and mtroduced by the special committee of the House, giving a Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. I do not ask to have it re fnll code of laws on hazing. The Senate refused to accept the re· printed if it has been printed. port, and the Senate conferees notified the House conferees that Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker- the Senate would rather see the bill fail than to have an entire The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Tennessee ask that code of laws provided on an appropriation bill; that they believed it be reprinted? it ought to be taken up as a separate measure. where amendments Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. No, not if it has been printed. could be made and a full discussion had in the House and Senate Mr. SGLZER. Mr. . Speaker- upon it as an independent measure. I am satisfied, as one of the The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Iowa yield to the conferees, and so are my colleagues, one of whom was the chair· gentleman from New York. man of the special committee, that the best thing to be done in Mr. HAY. Mr. Speaker, I understand the bill is still open to. this bill was to accept the Senate amendment as originally put in, objection. I rose for the purpose of objecting. · with a little additional amendment. The Senate amendment is as follows: Mr. HULL. I do not understand it can be. That the Superintendent of the Military Academy shall make such rules, The SPEAKER. That is not thequestion now. Thefirstques to be approved by the Secretary of War, as will effectually prevent theprac· tion is upon the dispensing with the reading of the report, and upon tice of hazing, and any cadet found guilty of participating in or encouraging that the gentleman from New York wants to ask a question. or countenancing such a practice shall be summarily expelled from theAcad· emy, and shall not thereafter be appointed to the Corps of Cadets or be eligi Mr. SULZER. I would like to ask the gentleman from Iowa ble as a commissioned officer in the Army or Navy. how long this report is? · That is the Senateprovision in the bill. Thecommitteeamended Mr. HULL. Very short. it by striking out the word "or" after the word "Army" and Mr. SULZER. Then, Mr. Speaker, I ask that the report be making it read, shall not "be eligible as a commissioned officer in read. the Army, Navy, or Marine Corps for at least two years after the The report of the committee of conference was read, as follows: graduation of the class of which he was a member." The committee of conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses on the amendments of the Senate t-o the bill (H. R. 12816) making appropria That addition was made byreason of the fact that evidence was tions for the support of the Military Academy for thEI fiscal year ending J una given by one of ~Y colleagues [Mr. DICK] that a man who had 1901. CONGRESSIONA~ RECORD-HOUSE. 3157 been dismissed from the Academy heretofore had been commis- but this is what happened: He had to eat a great quantity of sioned in the Marine Corps, and had a higher rank than he would rice, a couple of boiled cabbag-es, some 63 prunes, and was com have had if he had gone on and graduated with his class. This pelled to attempt to do 150 eagles, and went into convulsions, and amendment was put in so that any cadet expelled from the Acad- a pillow or blanket was placed over his face, so that his cries emy could not go to another corps and be commissioned in it and could not be heard. As a result, I believe beyond question, of thus really benefit by the act of expulsion. I think that is the this treatment the physical condition of that boy has been much only question involved here that there is any trouble whatever impaired. On account of this injury and the trouble with his about; and it seems to me, Mr. Speaker, in the closing days of the e)es, which necessitated an operation, he was never again able to session, with as drastic a measure as this inserted, that it will really do work at the Academy, and had to resign. · utterly destroy hazing at West Point; and the best thing the House Now, I do not wish to call the young gentlemen who indulge can do is to adopt the conference report and take it out of further in practices of that kind brutes. That epithet has been resented di cussion. I want to say further that in my judgment. after con- by the defenders of the fine sense of honor at the Academy. I ference with Senators and reading the debate, if we send this back fear also that I might be thought unfair to the brutes if I made to the Senate with a disagreement they will at once recede from such a comparison. But I want to say here, with regard to state their amendment. menta that have been made on this floor, that no such system of Mr. VANDIVER. Mr. Speaker, I desire to ask the gentleman hazing exists in any reputable college in this country. While a question. there may be occasionally men who ought never to be anywhere .Mr. HULL. I will yield to the gentleman from Missouri. except in a penal institution who get into educational institutions, Mr. VANDIVER. As I understand, and I agree with what the I believe the sentiment of the college faculties and of the students gentleman has said, but I would like to have a little more infor- in all colleges above the fifth grade in this country is overwhelm- mation on this point- ingly against any such brutal practice. There is no doubt that Mr. SLAYDEN. Mr. Speaker, I ask for order. such practices exist, that they are organized into a system at The SPEAKER. Order is demanded by the gentleman from West Point, and I am glad the conference committee has brought Texas. The point of order is well taken. All gentlemen are re- in here a proposition which it seems to me will go a long way quested to be seated, and to cease conversation. toward repressing this practice. · .Mr. VANDIVER. As I understand it, one of the greatest dif- :Mr. BURKE of Texas. Will the gentleman yield to me for a ficulties in the way of enforcing any regulation against hazing at question? West Point has been found to be this: That after the officers in Mr. McCALL. Yes. charge have done their duty and investigated cases of hazing and Mr. BURKE of Texas. After the statement the gentleman has expelled the cadets the cadets still have recourse to the influence made to the House, I want him to say whether he believes these of Senators and Members of Congre~s by which they have been young men guilty of such outrages toward this cadet ought to hold enabled to be reinstated. a commission in the United States Army two years after their Mr. HULL. In answer to the gentleman, I will say that this class graduates, or at any time. . provision, if enacted, deprives a cadet of being reappointed to l\1r. McCALL. I think those particular young men ought to the Academy at any time, and provides against his being com- be in the penitentiary. missioned in the Army or the Navy or Marine Corps until two Mr. BURKE of Texas. I agree with the gentleman. years afte1· the graduation of the class to which he belonged. Mr. HEPBURN. Will the gentleman from Iowa yield to me Mr. VAN DIVER. I heartily indorse that provision because the for a question? · weakness of the administration largely is due to the fact I have Mr. HULL. Yes. stated. Mr. HEPBURN. I would like to Irnow whether it is customary Mr. HULL. I want to say that in the past, no matter what to have the modification that is recommended by the committee? Administration it is under, any cadet who was expelled went to The Senat-e expressed its views upon this subject in the language the delegation and Senators from his State, who would go to the of this amendment. In it there was a provision for all time that War Department and assume the responsibility and get him put cadets deporting themselves as described herein should never be back or commissioned in some other arm of the service. Congress in the Army. This House passed, I think, a drastic measure, is more to blame than the Department. quite as drastic as this. I would like to know how this modifica- Mr. VAN DIVER. I hope the gentleman will allow me to say tion came about-whether it came from the conferees on our side. that I think he is mistaken in the interpretation or meaning of m.y Certainly it could not, it seems to me, come from the conferees of use of the word" administration." I referred to the administra- the Senate, for they had declared themselves the other way. tion at West Point. MESSAGE FROM THE SE~.A.TE. Mr. HULL. I beg the gentleman's pardon. A message from the Senate by Mr CUNNINGHAM one of its Mr. Mc9ALL. Will the gentleman from Iowa yield to me three clerks, announced that the Sen~te had ~greed to the r~port of the or four mm utes? . , committee of conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses Mr. HULL. I YJ.eld to the gentleman from Massachusetts: . on the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 13822) making Mr. McCALL. Mr. Speaker, rather than have the prov1s1on appropriations for fortifications and other works of defense for with reference to hazing fail entirely, I th~ lt would be better the armament thereof, for the procm·ement of heavy ordnanc~ for to acc~pt the conference r~port. But I feel It my duty to. call the trial and service, and for other purposes. attenti~n of the House bnefl.y to t~e case o~ a ca~et ~ppomted by The message also announced that the Senate had passed with- me, which I h_ave learne_d about smce the mvestigat10n was held out amendment the following resolutions: by t~e conumttee appomted ~y the House. Two years ago I House concurrent resolution 89. nommated as cadet to West Pomt a young man named Frederick Resolved by the HOt£Se of Representatives (the Senate concun-ing) That the Kensel. He got that appointment not through any favor from committee of conference on the ~greeing votes of tp.e two Hou~es. on the me. but as a result of a competitive examination. It happened a.m~n~ents of th~ Senate. to ~~e bill (H. R. 12291) ma~g apJ.?ropn.a.t~onsf
Resolved, That the business of the Senate be now suspended, in order that sent back to the conference, can not the gentleman do something fitting tribute be paid to his memory. Resolved, 'rhat as an additional mark of respect the Senate, at the conclu to remove that sort of trouble in ascertaining and punishing cases f:lion of these ceremonies, do take its recess until 8 o'clock this evening. of this kind? MILITARY ACADEMY APPROPRIATION BILL, Mr. HULL. I do not believe that we could secure the passage Mr. HULL. Mr. Speaker, I am perfectly willing to give the of additional legislation beyond what we have submitted to this House all the information I can on that subject. When we went Honse if we should go into conference and remain in conference. into conference the conferees of the Senate wanted to withdraw In my judgment the discussion that has been had on this question their amendment entirely; they were in favor of eliminating the in this House and the Senate, and the investigation made by the entire provision on the ground that the Senate had radically special committee of this House, has of itself killed hazing at the changed its views, and if we went back with no modification the Military Academy for the next ten years, even if there were not a chances are that the Senate would refuse to accept this. line of legislation adopted upon the subject. One of our conferees on the part of the House, a member of the But, Mr. Speaker, our provision does disgrace the boy who en Committee on Accounts, after thorough examination into the gages in hazing, does make it impossible for his Representative matter, was anxious to have inserted in the bill a proviso which and Senators to secm·e his reinstatement, does deprive him of a would prevent the issuing of a commission in any other corps commission in the Army under any circumstances for at least two than the Army or the Navy to a man who had been expelled. I years after the graduation of his class. believe I am correct in that. He brought to our attention the If my colleague on the committee, the gentleman from Ohio fact that cadets who had been expelled for hazing had come to [Mr. DrcK], desires to speak on this subject, I yield him five the Department here, backed by their Congressmen or their Sen minutes. ators, and had received commissions in the Marine Corps, placing Mr. DICK. Mr. Speaker, this amendment as reported by the them in rank above those of their own classes; so that instead of conference committee is, in my judgment, the only legislation that their expulsion being a punishment to these boys it was a benefit, can be passed in this Congress upon the question of hazing. I am because it gave them higher rank than they would otherwise have of tbe belief that the bHl presented by the special committee, if held. adopted, would have been mueh better than the alternative which The provision which we propose in the report says, virtually, we must now choose. But rather than go without any legislation that no cadet expelled for hazing shall ever afterwards be a grad whate"Ver I favor the amendment reported by the conferees. uate of -the Military Academy. It provides that he can not be It is only fair to say that all six of the managers at the confer commissioned in the Army, the Navy, or the Marine Corps for ence-representing both bodies-were thoroughly in favor of the two years after the graduation of the class of which he was a bill prepared by the special committee, but the Senate conferees member. And we believe-! think all of us-that by getting in a sured us at the last conference that ·under no circumstances the additional words "the Marine Corps" we get that which more could they hope to have the Senate adopt this bill as presented. than counterbalances what we give up in regard to the other Mr. TALBERT. As I understand, the special committee of matter. which the gentleman was chairman has introduced a bill touching I think my colleague will agree with me on another point, that this subject of hazing? where a boy who has been expelled for hazing becomes a reputable Mr. DICK. Yes, sir. citizen and wants to go into the Army in case of war, his Repre Mr. TALBERT. And that bill, I believe, is now before the sentative will introduce here a bill and will insist that the educa House. tion that the young man had must make him useful i.n the serv 1\Ir. DICK. It is on the Calendar of the House. ice, and that he ought not be forever barred because of his action l\lr. TALBERT. Do I understand the gentleman to say that he ac· as a youth. We believe that under such circumstances a bill of cept8 this amendment in lieu of that bill and will not push the bill? that character would pass this House and the Senate, just as we Mr. DICK. What we aimed to do was to get our bill adopted have been passing bills in the House restoring men to the ranks in place of the Senate amendment to the Academy appropriation in every case of that kind. bill. Failing in that I believe in the adoption of this amendment, To my mind this provision will absolutely kill hazing in the trusting to the adoption of such further legislation as may be :Military Academy. And if it does not, we have before us a bill, necessary to a future Congress. It seems to me that we can well drawn by the able members of the special committee, which can afford to adopt this amendment for the purpose of giving it a fair be taken up at the next session of Congress, and if we get the nec trial. I believe that with the adoption of thiR amendment and the essary votes in the Senate and House can be passed, which will voluntary resolutions adopted at West Point by the cadets them establish a full code of laws on the subject of hazing. But this selves, hazing will be eventually abolished at the Academy. I am provision, as it stands, will at least protect the students of.the of the opinion that when once the matter has had a fair trial the Academy from hazing for the next two years, and, in my judg resolutions which the cadets voluntarily adopted on the night ment, for all time. that we closed our examination at the Military Academy will be I yield two minutes to my colleague [Mr. HEPBURN]. among the traditions of which the cadets and the institution will Mr. HEPBURN. Mr. Speaker, it seems to me that while this be most proud. amendment is desirable, it does not meet one of the serious diffi .Mr. COOPER of Wisconsin. The gpntleman said, as I under culties in this case. I am informed that there has been issued by stood, that in his opinion. if this legislation should be adopted, the War Department an order giving to every cadet in the exam hazing would " eventually" cease. Does he mean that it would ination of matters of discipline at the Military Academy the right continue for a time and would by and by be stopped? to say that he can not answer a given query because it will tend - Mr. DICK. No. to convict him of a crime. I understand that this order is one of Mr. COOPER of Wisconsin. What did the gentleman mean by those most vigorously enforced at the Academy. It seems to me the word "eventually?" that that order is a mistake; that it is not in support of a con Mr. DICK. Perhaps I ought to have omitted that word entirely. stitutional provision; that it does not guarantee a constitutional I say that hazing has ceased at West Point, and I am inclined to right. The gentleman who has such an idea fails, I think, to ap believe that it has permanently ceased. preciate properly that provision of the Constitution which enables A 1\IE)!BER. And voluntarily? anyone to refuse self-conviction. That provision was never in Mr. DlCK. Yes, voluntarily. Iwishthatthebillrecommended tended to apply to the schoolmaster-to him who stands in the by the special committee might have been adopted; for I believe place of the parent, and who, in the school, is but carrying out that had it been the voluntary resolutions of the West Point the discipline of the family. cadets would have been enacted into permanent law, and would Otherwise, before a father can "spank" a child the younster forever shut out the possibility of the recurrence of hazing at the must have a trial by jury and be convicted of the offense for which United States Military Academy. But I urge this House to adopt the parent proposes to punish him. These officers at the Acad the amendment reported by the conferees as the only legislation emy, while they are there in charge of those youth, are standing on this subject possible in this Congress. in the place of the parents of those boys; and that constitutional Mr. DRIGGS. M.r. Speaker- provision, in my judgment, no more applies to them than it would The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Iowa yield? apply to any parent in maintaining the discipline of his household. Mr. HULL. I am very desirous of bringing this matter to a Mr. TALBERT. Does not the constitutional provision have conclusion. We have already had a full discussion on both sides. only this effect, that it provides a man can not be put upon the Mr. DRIGGS. I wish to make only a brief statement. I ask witness stand for the purpose of convicting himself; but after go the gentleman to allow me three minutes. ing upon the witness stand is he not obliged to answer any ques Mr. HULL. How much time does the gentleman want? tion, even though it may criminate him? Mr. DRIGGS. Only three minutes. Several MEMBERS. Oh no. Mr. HULL. I will yield the gentleman three minutes, after Mr. HEPBURN. Well, it is not necessary for me to decide that which I shall ask a vote. proposition in order to maintain the one I am urging. Mr. DRIGGS. Mr. Speaker, as I have the honor of being one But I understand there are in all these cases of fights 18 persons of thesubcommitteefor the investigation of hazing at West Point, who know the facts. But under this order the seal of silence is I desire simply to state at the very outset of my remarks that the placed upon the lips of those 18 witnesses; any one of them may question has been asked me many times by members of this House decline to testify because of that order. If this matter should be as to the responsibility of Colonel Mills, the Superintendent of 1901. OONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3159
West Point Military Academy, for the bad condition of discipline mons consent to print remarks on the bill just passed, Is there at the institution. I believe he should receive the highest com objection? fAfter a pause.] The Chair hears none. mendation for the suppression of hazing as much as it has been Mr. STEELE. I want it understood that under this leave re suppressed in the last two years. The regulations seem to have marks are to be confined to the bill. been so drawn at West Point as to admit of all kinds and sorts of Mr. OTJEN. They will be entirely. hazing. Since the administration of Colonel Mills a new regula The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Indiana objects unless tion has been adopted by the War Department~ at the suggestion those remarks are confined to the matters involved in the bill. of Colonel Mills, that makes hazing now almost an impossibility. Without objection that condition will be added. The Chair hears So far as hazing is concerned, I am heartily in favor of adopting none. at the present time the amendment, or rather the conference re Mr. HULL. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent for gen port, that has come in this morning. I believe the Senate amend eral leave to print for five days. Three or four gentlemen on each ment will to a certain extent stop hazing, and when you couple side want to print remarks on this question, their remarks to be with it the resolutions adopted by the cadets themselves the joint confined to this question. result will be most beneficial. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa asks unanimous I do not believe the people of the United States have backed consent that general leave to print be given for five days, to be down one iota from their proposition and desire for the suppression confined to the discussion of the bill. of hazing. I believe this is also the unanimous sentiment of all Mr. SLAYDEN. And the conference report. who served on the West Point committee. We have been assured The SPEAKER. On the passage of this bill. Is there objection? that the bill reported by the House committee will be brought up [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. and considered at the next session of Congress, and then, when it Mr. OTJEN. Mr. Speaker, the testimony taken by the select is adopted, you neyer again, in the history of the country, will committee of this House in the investigation of hazing at the hear of any hazing at West Point. I do not in tend to go into a United States Military Academy at West Point discloses a sur discussion of the various types of hazing at West Point. My prising state of affairs. I am glad to note that the committee views on that subject are far too well known to every member of have found that a very large number of the upper class men have this House, and I am satisfied that in these closing hours of this always been opposed to the more serious and brutal forms of haz present Congress the best legislation that we can possibly produce ing. I will add as a part of my remarks some of the testimony or secure is that suggested by the conferees of the House on the given in this investigation by Frederick H. Cunningham, a former Military Academy bill. I trust it may be accepted and adopted. cadet and classmate of Cadet Douglas MacArthnx, and a part of Mr. HULL. Mr. Speaker, I agreed to give three minutes to my the testimony given by Cadet Albert R. Dockery, showing the colleague, Mr. SMITH of Iowa. brutal hazing of Cadet MacArthur by Cadets Dockery and Barry. Mr. SMITH of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, the resolutions adopted by It was my privilege to recommend the appointment of Cadet the cadets the night yonr special committee left West Point dis Douglas ¥acArthm· to the Military Academy. I have personal tinctly state that they are adopted out of regard to the public ren knowledge of this young man. I know that he is a young man of timent of the country as evidenced to them. It is therefore of the gentlemanly and soldierly bearing, an industrious and painstak~ utmost importance that some legislation be passed by this Congre3s ing student, of exemplary habits, and modest in his demeanor. signifying to them that they have not misapprehended the genuine There is nothing in his conduct or bearing that would warrant public sentiment of our people. "Visiting upon him such cruel and inhuman treatment as this tes This being the best legislation we can obtain, I think it should timony discloses. It can only be charged to the wicked and vicious be adopted by the House; but I do not think it ought to be system that has grown up at the Academy. Any cadet guilty of adopted until some of its fundamental defects are in a measure such brutality as is shown by this testimony is, I believe, at heart pointed out. At the Academy a system of challenge fighting ex a coward and will prove to be a skulking coward in the face of a ists. Cadets are ordered to fight by fighting committees of 6, so real en{\my. Brave men do not derive gratification or satisfaction that we have these 6 committeemen, 2 combatants, 4 seconds, from visiting upon their victims indignity and cruelty. It is a 1 referee, 1 timekeeper, and 4 sentinels, making 18 persons in all trait of real bravery to treat even a foe with consideration and who are familiar with the facts concerning every fight. Prior to kindness. It is only a brutal and cowardly savage who delights June, 1879, the cadets at the Academy were required to answer in such practices as have taken place at this Academy and such as all questions propounded to them, and failure to do so was pun was visited upon this cadet. ishable as disobedience of orders. But at that time an amendment I have been inclined to place the blame and responsibility upon to the regulation was adopted which provides that no cadet shall those in authority for the condition of affairs existing at the Acad· be compelled to an~wer any question if the answer will tend to emy, not being aware of the rule or regulation of the War Depart criminate him. ment relieving a cadet from answering any question which would This has been construed by the cadets and officers of the tend to criminate him, a rule which has always been construed by Academy to mean that no cadet need answer any question that the cadets to mean that no cadet need answer any question if the tends to subject him to discipline. The result is that it is impos answer would tend to subject him to discipline. It is this vicious sible, by reason of the sentinels posted at these fights, for the tac rule, or the misconstruction of it, that has been the breeder of the tical officers to ever discover the persons in the act of fighting, very state of affairs now existing there. If it is a matter of honor and as every one of the 18 persons is cognizant of the fact that and a correct rule or principle to relieve a cadet from answering he is, under the rule of the War Department, exempt from an any question relating to his misconduct, then it is a correct rule swering, no Superintendent can enforce the law at the Academy, or principle worthy to be applied to all schools throughout the It is absolutely essential for the maintenance of discipline that country. It is not difficult to see that soon all order and discipline the law require that these cadets shall answer such questions as would be destroyed. Code of honor; yes, cadets should have a touch on infractions of discipline. code of honor, a code of honor which is based upon strict honesty I understand it is claimed such a law would be a violation of and integrity, upon absolute truthfulness, upon manly and sol the Constitution of the United States. But the distinguished gen dierly conduct. tleman from Iowa [Mr. HEPBURN] has shown the fallacy of this A code of honor that shields a cowardly ruffian who is guilty of proposition by showing that the schoolmaster is, under all the de acts scarcely less than crime iB not worthy of the name. I would cisions in England and thi~ country, in loco parentis and has now wipe out these evil and disgraceful practices once for all. I exactly the same right, in the enforcement of disdpline, to ask would dismiss every officer, professor, and instructor at the Acad questions and administer punishment as the head of the familv. emywhoin the least sympathizes with hazing and will not in good But there is another reason why they can becompe11ed to answer, faith do everything in his power to stop this evil practice. · I would and that is that the great provisions of the Constitution with stop it if I had to dismiss individual members of classes or to dis reference to the rights of persons prosecuted in the criminal courts miss a whole class or classes. Let there be such action taken and are not applicable in the discipline of the Army of the United such legislation enacted that never again will disgrace be brought States. The 1·ight which a man in the Army has to refuse to an upon the fair name and honor of the Academy. swer a question which tends to criminate him is derived from one of [Extracts from testimony of Frederick H. Cunningha.m.] the articles of war and not from the Constitution. [Loud applanse.l By Mr. WANGER: :Mr. HULL. I demand the previous question. - Q. Do you remember an occasion when MacArthur had been in a tent being The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa demands the pre exercised, and on returning to your tent was overcome? A. I do. vious question. Q. About when was that? The previous question was ordered; and under the operation A. It was about the 13th or Hth of July. thereof the report of the committee of conference was agreed to. Q. At what time in the evening? A. It was probably about half past 7 or 8 o'clock. On motion of Mr. HULL, a ~ motion to reconsider the vote by Q. Did you remain at the tent? which the report of the committee of conference was agreed to A. ldid. was laid on the table. Q . .And when did you see him? LEAVE TO PRINT. A. I saw him reel into the tent about an hour later. Q. Then what took place? ~ Mr. OTJEN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to print A. I got up and caught him as he fell. Q. And what did you do t.o him? some remarks on the bill just passed. A. I laid him gently on the floor of the tent. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Wisconsin asks unani- Q. Was he in violent convulsions? 3160 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOU~E. FEBRUARY 27,
A. He classed them as cramps. upon fourth class men. We do know that several, notably Cadets Ma.cArthul", Q. I am asking you to tell us what you thought. Breth, and Bort.on, were hazed into convulsions; that many more, includitut A. I think if you saw him in the same condition on the stl·eet you would Cadets Hascall, Rensel, McGinnis, and Pegram. were hazed until they fain tea~ ~ them convulsions. Cadet Van Natta., and perhaps others, have been hazed until sick. Cadets Q. Wn.s his body writhing~ Booz and Breth were both treated with ~eat severity, and were never well A. Yes, sir; he showed the most activity, however, in his limbs. after they left the Academy, and each died in his young manhood before the Q. '.ro what exb:mt were his limbs in motion? grad!la.tion of his cln.ss; but we can not affirmatively find that their death was A. To such an extent I had to hold them to keep them still; and finally he caused by their treatment. asked me to throw a. blanket under them in order that the company officers could not hear his feet strike the floor. He had no control over them. Mr. COWHERD. Mr. Speaker, while discussion is being had Q. Did you put a blanket under them? upon the subject of hazing in the Military Academy, and while A. Idid. the attention of the country is directed to that subject, I desire Q. Was there anybody else in the tent besides yourself and MacArthur? A. I am not sure, but I know as soon a.s MacArthur returned his inquiSitors to have printed in the RECORD an article recently clipped from came around back of the tent and were very much concerned over what they the Washington Post, written by Dr. S. S. Laws, a gentleman had done. whose great learning and wide experience in educational matters Q. Who were recognized as the worst hazers of that camp? A. I can speak only definitely connected with A Company, and tJ;le t ents entitles his views on this subject to the most serious consideration. nearly around him-that is, one side of the A Company tent looked m the B EDI TOR POST: Company tent. Barry, Dockery, and Duvall were unquestionably considered Wi 1 you allow me to call attention to what I conceive to be tho true and in that part of the camp the worst hazers. rational remedy for the irrational and worse than useless practice in onr Q. What time did he, MacArthur, come into your tent? United States Milit..1.ry Academy which has been attracting o much atten A. I think it must have been quarter to 10 or half past 9 o'clock. tion and comment lately? That remedy is to reduce the course to two years Q. Then for about an hour he required considerable attention? and make the Academy a strictlyprofes ional school. A He was rather ill for an hour ; yes. Under the appointment of President Garfi eld I served on the Board of Vis Q. He was not able to undress himself, of course? itors, and availed myself of the opportunit y to look carefully into the interior A. He wa.s certainly helped. We thought it necessary to do so. workings of West Point. At that time the question of extending the course Q. Did he also lo e control of his arms~ from four to five years was still agitated. I believe that when Jefferson Davis A. His arms and legs were in convulsion more than any other part of the was Secretary of War he recommended fi ve years, and that for a short time body, and during the convulsion he had no ~ontrol_over his arms. the five year term was tried. My point of view was strictly that of an edu· Q. Did MacArthur stat-e t o you at any hme which one of the two cadets, ca. tor, with a somewhat mature experience in college and university work. Dockery or Barry, gave the last ortler to him? I attended the examinations and cam·assed tne entire course of instruction; · A. I do not know. and finding that the faculty was loaded with a mass of elementary_ subjects Q. Did he state t o you which one of the two men were in h.is tent at the in the physical sciences. in mathematics, and even in language, which could last? n ow be taught a from Vermont is the request of the gentleman from Tennessee Senate numbered 63, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· In lieu of the sum proposed insert "SSO,OOO;" and the Senate agree to th~ that the report be printed in the RECORD. Is there objection to same. these requests? The Chair hears none, and it is so ordered. 'rhat the House recede from its disagreement to "the amendi:lent of the The report is as follows: Senate numbered 69, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed insert "~.000;" and the Senate agree to the The committee of conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses same. on the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 13575) making appropria That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the tions to provide for the expenses of the government of the District of Co Senate numbered 70, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· lumbia for tht:l fiscal year ending June 30, 190"3, and for other purpo~es, hav ing met, after full and free conference have agreed to recommend and do In lieu of the sum proposed insert" $185,000;" and the Senate agree to the recommend to their respective Houses as follows: same. That the Senate recede from its amendments numbered 3, 4, 9, 10, 51, 62, 64, That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the 67, 68, 72, 7!, 87, 88, 93, 117, lZJ, 124-,125, 126, 127, 130, 136, 144, 1M, 156, 157, and 11)8. Sen~te numbered 71, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: Iu lieu of the sum proposed insert "$05,000;" and the Senate agree to the That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendments of the same. Senate numbered 1, 2, 6, 7, 11, 16. ~J 21, 31, 33, 36, 37;38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 4-3, «, 45, That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the 46. 47, 48, 49, 60).,!>2. 53, 54, 55, 56 58, w, 61, 65, 66, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 90, Sen!l-te numbered 7"3, .and agree to the same with an amendment follows: 93, ~~5, 96, 99, lw, 101,102, 104, 105, 106,107,108, Hl9, 110, ill, 112,114-,115, ll6, ll8,ll9, as 120, ua, 122,131,133,137,138,139,141,148,160, 155,159,161,162,163, and 16!; and agree ~ heu of the matter mserted by said amendment insert the following: "Pro to the same. vtded .ft!rther, T~at tl_le electric an~ ~as light comp~nie::; of the District of 'fhat the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment <•f the Columbia shall file mth the CommlSsloners of the DlStrict or Columbia on Senate numbered 5, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: the_lst d~y of August, 1~2, and annually thereafter, R. statement sho~g In lieu of the sum proposed insert" $63. 9S8; " and the Senate agree to the same. their receipts and expend.itures for the previous fiscal year;" and the Senate That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the a~,rree to the same. . Senate numbered 8, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: That the Bouse recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the ln lieu of the matter inserted by said amendment insert the following: Sen ~te numbered 75, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: "To enable the assessor of the District of Columbia to complete the card In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$75,000;" and the Senate agree to the records of his office by placing thereon, in add.ition to charges for general same. taxes alt'eady listed, all assessments for special improvements, these addi· That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the tions being rendered necessary by the recent cons0lidation of the special Senate numbered 76! and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: assessment office with the assessor s office, and also to prepare for the United On page 23 of the bill, in line 2. after the word "therewith," insert the fol lowin~: "including the preparation of plans, and for the purchase of such States Treasury a list of balances of all general tax levies, $!,000~ to be imme diately available: PrO'Vided, That out of said amount such empwyees in the scientific books and periodicals as may be approved by the Secretary of War;" assessor's office as may be required for its successful prosecution may be and the Senate agree to the same. paid for overtime work." That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the And the Senate agree to the same. Senate numbered 77, and agrae to the same with an amendment as follows; That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the In lieu of the number proposed insert "1,256;" and the Senate agree to the Senate numbered 12, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In same. lieu of the sum proposed insert •• 2.100;" and the Senate agree to the same. That the House recede from its disa.greement to the amendment of the 'fhat the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Sen~te numbered 89, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: Senate numbered 13, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In In lieu of the number proposed insert "91;" and the Senate agree to the lieu of the sum proposed insert "521,300:" and the ::;enate agree to the same. same. - That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the That the House recede-from its disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 14, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: ln Sen!lte nmnbered 91, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: lieu of the matter inserted by said amendment insert the following; "ste In lieu of the sum proposed insert "S881,375;" and the Senate agree to the nographer, $720;" and the Senate agree to the same. same. That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 15, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In Sen!'Lte numbered 92, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: lieu of the sum proposed insert "$11,320;" and the Senate agree to the same. In lieu of the sum proposed insert" $5!0;" and the Senate agree to the same. That the House recede from its dlsagreement to the amendment of the That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 17, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In Senate numbered 97, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· lieu of the sum named in said amendment insert "$2,000;" and the Senate In lieu of the sum proposed insert" $78,126;" and the Senate agree to the same: agree to the same. That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Sen~te numbered lffi, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: Senate numbered 18. and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: tn lieu of thesumproposedinsert" 'l2,600;" and theSenateagreetothesame. In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$13,800;" and the Senate agree to the That the Houst:l recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the same. Senate numbered ll3, and agree to the same with amendments as follows: ~n line 4 of the matter inserted by said amendment, after the word "any," That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the msert the word "number," and after the word "for" insert the words ''not Senate numbered 19, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: exceeding three;" and the Senate agree to the same. In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$24.250; " and the Senate agree to the That the House recede from its d.isagreement to the amendment of the same. Senate numbered 128, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: 'l'hat the House recede from its disagreement to the amendments of the In lieu of t-he matter inse1·ted by said amendment insert "draftsman 1 ()()()·" Senate numbered 22 and 23, and agree to the same with an amendment as ann the Senate agree to the same. ' ' ' follows: In lieu of the amended paragraph insert the followin~: "For preparation of a plan or plans, specifications, and estrmatcs of cost That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the for a mun.ictpal hospital, $5.000." Senate numbered 129, aud agree to the t>ame with an amendment as follows: And the Senate agree to the same. In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$16,220;" and the Senate agree to the That the House recede from ita disagreement to the amendment of the same. Senate numbered 2!, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$160,000; " and the Senate agree to the Sell!lte numbered 132, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: same. In lieu of the number proposed insert "four;" and the Senate agree to the That the House t•ecede from its d.isagreement to the amendment of the same. Sen~te numbered 25, and agre~ to the same with an amendment as follows: That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the In heu of the sum proposed 1nsert ·• 9,450;" and the Senate agree to the Senate numbered 13-1, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· same. In lieu of the sum proposed insert" 43,600;" and the Senate agree to the That the House recede from its disa,.,o-reement to the amendment of the same. Sen!Lte numbered 26, and agre~ to the same with an amendment as follows: That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the In lieu of the sum proposed msert " $!0,050; " and the Senate agree to the Sen~te numbered 135, and agree to the same with an amendment as foHows: same. In lieu of the sum proposed insert "~.000;" and the Senate agree to the That the House recede from its d.isagreement to the amendment of the same. Senate numbered 27, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· That the House recede from its d.isagreement to the amendment of the In lieu of the sum proposed insert" $18,750; " and the Senate agree to the Senate numbered 140, and agree to the same with an amendment a.s follows· same. ln lieu of the sum proposed insert "$37,500;" and the Senate agree to the same: That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 28, and agree to the same with a.n amendment as follows· Senate numbered 142, and agree to the same with an amendmE~nt as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$36,600;" and the Senate agree to the In lieu of the matter inserted by said amendment insert the following: "ste same. nographer,$720;" and the Senate agree to the same. Tl)at the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the 'fhat the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 29, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· Senate numbered 143, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$39,150;" and the Senate agree to the !n lieu of the matter inserted by said amendment insert the following: "one same. mspector, $720;" and the Senate agree to the same. That the Honse recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the That the Howe recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 30, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· Senate numbered 145. and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· Strike out of the matter inserted by said amendment the following: " and In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$6,2-W; " and the Senate agree to the same: from Pennsylvan.ia avenue south the name of said street shall be Fourth That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the street SW;" and the Senate agree to the same. Sen.ate numbered 146, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the In lieu of the number proposed insert "ten;" and the Senate agree to the Senate numbered 32, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· same. In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$55,000;" and the Senate agree to the That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the same. Senate numbered U7, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: That the Housenljecede from its disagreement to the amendment of the In lieu of the Slllll proposed insert "$22,993; " and the Senate agree to the Sen!Lte numbered iYi. and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: same. In lieu of the sum first named in said amendment insert •• $375,000;" and the That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Senate agree to the same. Senate numbered 149, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the On page 46 of the bill, in line 14, strike out the word "continuing 1' and in Sen!'Lte numbered 35, and !"ogre~ to the same with an amendment as follows: ser~ in lieu thereof the words "completing the;" in line 7 of said amendment In lieu of the sum named m saJ.d amendment insert '' $60,000; " and the Sen ~tri}m out th~word "twenty" and insert in lieu thereof the word "ten;" and ate agree to the same. m lme 8 of said amendment, after the word "sum," insert the words "herein That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the and;" and the Senate agree to the same. Senate numbered !ii, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows· That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the In lieu of the sum named in said amendment insert" SlO,OOO;" az:.d the Senate Senate numbered 1~1, and agree to the same with an amendmE>nt as follows: agree to the same. Add at the end of f?al~ amendmenttJ?.e f<:Jllowing: " : Provided, That, if accept That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of tbe able ~o t~e ComiiDSSIOner~ of the DlStrict of Columbia, the. Secretary of the Sen!_lote numbered 59, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: Interior 18 hereby authonzed to transfer to them for a s1te f or said alms In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$140,800;" and the Senate agree to the house the tract of land, containing about 60 acres, belonging to the Un.ited same. States lying south of Congress Heights and east of Nichols avenue and de That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the tached from the present site of the Government Hospital for the Insane; and 3162 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, in the event of this acceptance and transfer the said sum of $25,000 shall be On No. 74:: Strikes out the appropriation of ${,000 pr0posed by the Senate available for construction of the buildings for the said almshouse;" and the for a night crew for harbor boat. Senate agree to the same. On No. 75: Appropriates $75,000, instead of $50,000 as proposed by the House That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the and $100,000 as proposed by the Senate, for the Connecticut avenue bridge. Senate numbered 152, and agree to the same with an amendment a,s follows: On No. 76: Provides for the filtration plant to be of the slow sand kind, as In lieu of the sum proposed insert" $4,000;" and the Senate agree to the same. proposed by the Senate. That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the On Nos. 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, and 91, relating to the Senate numbered 153, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: teachers of the_p_l1blic schools: Provides for two teachers at $1,000 each and In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$8,000; " and the Senate agree to the same. one teacher at $800, additional to those provided for by the House, and makes That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the sundry verbal corrections in the text of the bill relating to the designations Senate numbered 160, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: of said teachers. In lieu of the sum proposed insert "$47,300;" and the Senate agree to the On Nos. 92, 93, 94:, 95, 96, and 97, relating to janitors for public-school build same. ings: Fixes the compensation of janitors of 8-room buildings at $54:0 instead That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the of $500. as proposed by the House, and $600, as proposed by the Senate; fixes Senate numbered 165, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: the compensation of janitors of 6-room buildings at $360, as proposed by the In lieu of the snm proposed in!'ert "$1,400;" and the Senate agree to the same. Senate, mstead of $250, as proposed by the House, and of janitors of 4-room That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the buildings at $240 instead of $165, as proposed by the House. Senate numbered 166, and a~ee to the same with an amendment as follows: On No. 98, strikes out the appropriation of S3{),000, proposed by the Senate, In lieu of the sum proposea insert "$30,666; " and the Senate agree to the for replacing old boilers in school buildings, the same being provided for in same. the general deficiency bill. WILLIAM W. GROUT, . On Nos. 99, 100, 101, and 102, appropriates $25,000, as proposed by the Senate, HENRY H. BING HAM, Instead of $20,000, as proposed by the Honse, for furnishing the manual JOHN 1\L ALLEN, training school No. 1, and $37,800 instead of $30,000 for furnishing manual Managers on the part of the House. training school No.2, and $825, as proposed by the Senate, for furnishing the W. B. ALLISON, Twining City School. W.J.SEWELL On No. 103, appropriates $32,600 instead of $30,600, as proposed by the House, F. M. COCKRELL, and $34:,500, as proposed by the Senate, for contingent expenses of public Managers on the part of the Senate. schools. On No.l04, authorizes the exchange of bookiand educational publications The statement is as follows: now on hand. On Nos. 105, 106, 107, 108, 100, 110, 111, 112, 113, and 114, strikes out the appro The managers on the part of the House at the conference on the disagree priation of $20,000~.proposed by the Honse, for an addition to the Taylor School; ing votes of the two Houses on the amendments of the Senate to the bill appropriates adaitional sums, as proposed by the Senate, for the following making appropriations for the government of the District of Columbia for school buildings: Good Hope, $6,000; Brookland, colored, $6,000; Grant Road, the fiscal year 1902, submit the following written statement in explanation $10,000; Petworth, $5,000; building in Eighth division, $6,000, and Kenilworth, of the action agreed upon and recommended in the accompanying conference $8,000; gives the Commissioners discretion to construct not exceeding three report, namely: new school buildings by day labor and the purchase of material in open mar On amendments numbered 1, 2, 3, 4:, and 5, relating to the executive office, ket, and strikes out a provision requiring the submission of plans for school makes the salaries of the assistant secretaries to the Commissioners $1,200 buildings to the board of education. each, as proposed by the Senate, instead of Sl,OOO each; fixes the salary of the On Nos. 115 and 116: Provides as proposed by the Senate for an additional janitor at $1,000, as proposed by the Senate, in'stead of $900; strikes out pro lieutenant of police at $1,500. vision for an'addihonal fireman at $480, proposed hv the Senate, and leaves On No. 117: Appropriates $8.000 as proposed by the House, instead of $10,- the salary of the harbor master at $1,200 instead of $1,400, as proposed by the 000 as proposed by the Senate, for the house of detention. Senate. On Nos. 118, 119, 120, 121,122, IZJ, 124, 125, 126, and 127, relating to the fire On Nos. 6, 7, and 8, relating to the office of the asseRsor, provides for an ad department, provides as proposed by the Senate for an additional assistant ditional clerk at $1,400 and appropriates $-1,000 to enable the assessor to com chief engineer at S1,200; increases the pay of 14 firemen, 6 tillermen, and 25 plete the card records of his office, as proposed by the Senate. drivers from $840 to $1)00 each; appropriates $!,500as proposed by the House, On Nos. 9, 10, and 11, relating to the collector's office, strikes out provision instead of $5,000 fl.S proposed by the Senate, for repairs to apparatus, and for assistant cashier at $1,4.00, prop0sed by tbe Senate, and appropriates $600, $9,000 as proposed by the House, nstead ot 11,000 as proposed by the Senate, as proposed by the Senate, for preparation of tax-sale certificates. for purchase of hose, and strikes out the appropriation of $!?0,000 proposed On Nos. 12 and 13 appropriates for chief clerk in the auditor's office $2,100 by the Senate for house, lot, and furniture for a truck company in southeast instead of $1,900, a,s proposed_by the House and $2,200 as proposed by the Washington. Senate. On Nos. 128, 129, 130, and 131, relating to the electrical department, appro On Nos. H and 15, provides for a stenographer at $7:00 in the attorney's priates for a draftsman at $1,000 instead of $1.ro $575,734: less than the estimates, and $921,600.63 in excess of the appropriations Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. The point I make is that the con· for the current fiscal year. WILLIAM W. GROUT, ferees exceeded their authority by ingrafting new legislation ~d JOHN M. ALLEN, that it was unascertainable on my part until now. Manage·rs on the pa1·t of the House. The SPEAKER. So many gentlemen come and talk to the pre Mr. GROUT. Mr. Speaker- siding officer that it is impossible for the Chair to keep run of the Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. Mr. Spea'ker- business. The Chair is of the opinion that when discussion has The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman yield to the gentleman been entered upon and no reservation has been made as to a point from Indiana? . of order it comes too late afterwards to make the point, and the Mr. GROUT. Certainly, for a question, but not the floor. Chair will sustain the point of order made by the gentleman from Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. I am not in any particular hurry, Vermont. but I will ask the gentleman to make a statement in reference to Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. Now, Mr. Speaker, I desire to amendment 151. have some arrangement with the gentleman as to discussion of Mr. GROUT. I will explain amendment 151 in a moment, but this as an original proposition. I think the conference report I would like first to have the House understand the reasons for ought to be voted down. the increase of this bill over the bill of last year. That increase is Mr. GROUT. How much time does the gentleman want? $927,600.63 over the appropriations for the cunent year, as was Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. I think thirty minutes. just read in the report. Mr. GROUT. I do not feel that I ought to yield the gentleman The items that go to make that sum are as follows: First, for thirty minutes. Can he not present his reasons in less time? sewers, $331,000 more than last year. This provides for the pump Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. Oh, well, if the gentleman will ing plant, a large item of cost in the general sewer plan for the be generous with other members who want to speak upon this city. This plan is already largely executed, at an outlay of matter, very well. I only want ten minutes. nearly 82,000,000, and will call for as much more. There is 820,000 .1\Ir. GROUT. We will be reasonable; but the gentleman must more for the repair of county roads in this bill than in the last remember that the gentleman in charge of the bill only has one hour. one. There is $25,000 more for Connecticut avenue brid.ge. There Mr. LOUD. I hope the gentleman from Vermont will explain is $300,000 more for the filtration plant than last year. There was about this provision. SZOO,OOO appropriated last year and $500,000 this year. There is The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Vermont yield to 8188,960 more for public schools than last year, principally in the gentleman from Indiana? building new schoolbouse3 and providing additional teachers, .Mr. GROUT. I yield, Mr. Speaker, to the gentleman from In a.nd in necessary repairs of school buildings. diana ten minutes. There is $28,140 more for the Metropolitan police, and for the fire Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. Mr. Speaker, this is an aggravated department $19,700 more, part of which, you will remember, is to instance of how measures will come before the House without the meet the increased pay of the firemen. It has been long thought consideration of the House, presented as it is in conference, and that the pay of the fireman was not large enough. without any opportunity on the part of the House members as a There is $22-,GOO more for Rock Creek Park and $27,500 more for legislative body to fairly consider it. It is clearly legislation in the municipal almshouse, making a total of $962,800 that this bill conference. This measure slips into the House silently and fur carries more than the last one for these particular objects. This, tively. It does not come through the open door. Measures such you will notice, considerably more then accounts for the excess of as this is will never come into the House of Representatives this bill over the last. Sewers, schools, and the filtration plant through the open door. The bill went to the Senate without any account for $819,960 of the increase, leaving but $107,680 increase provision for building the almshouse, and there was amended by in all other departments of the District government. I wanted a provision appropriating $25,000 for the purchase of a site. Un the House to understand the branches of the public service which der that law the District of Columbia would pay one-half the sum, called for these additional allowances, that it might see that the and the other half would come from the Treasury of the United money will go to the betterment of the sanitary conditions of the States. city and for the enlargement of the public-school system. This Distrid of Columbia appropriation bill provides, for the Now I will be glad to yield to the gentleman from Indiana, purchase of sites for schoolhouses in the District of Columbia, Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. I noticed by amendmentNo.151, something like$557 ,000, one-half of which is to be paid by taxation which comes to the House as an original proposition from the of the District and the other half by the United States Treasury. Senate, the Senate amendment ~provided for the appropriation of 525,000 for the purchase of a site on which to build an almshouse. But now, by a provision passed by a Senate amendment as an origi The conferees have attached an amendment to that providing for nal proposition when the bill went there from the House, and un the donation by the United States Government of 59 acres in a heard of in this House before, it provides for the appropriation of tract of land near the Government Insane Asylum upon which $25,000 for the purchase of a site for the District almshouse. That a.n almshouse is to be built. I first desire to ask the gentleman was regular. It goes to conference, however, and the conferees whether he does not think that provision is exceeding the author insert in the bill this new provision: Providing, if acceptable to the Commissioners of the District of Columbia, ity of the conferees and is subject to a point of order? the Secretary of the Interior is hereby authorized to transfer to them for the Mr. GROUT. I can not see why it is outside of the matter site for such almshouse the tract of land containing about 60 acres belonging properly submitted to the conferees. It all relates to procuring a to the United States, lying south of Congress Heights, east of Nichols av. enue, site for an almshouse. The Senate amendment was agreed to with and detached from the present site of t·he Government Insane Hospital. this proviso added, which is simply permissive, not in any way This provision is a reecho of the measure we had on the floor of directory; but supposing it were directory, I think the subject the House the other day for the purchase of more land for the was fully within the scope of the conference. District insane asylum, and we then defeated the scheme for the Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. It is in the general line of the purchase of more land for the insane asylum. This 60 acres of object, but it is a change of the scheme. The Senate bill provided land, according to different estimates, is worth from $30,000 to such an amount for the purchase of a site. Under the law the 860,000; according to the estimates of the Appropriation Commit District of Columbia would pay one half and the United States tee, recommending the purchase of more land a few days ago, Treasury the other half. Now, you make a donation of 59 acres it is worth $60,000. That is the land now owned by the United of land for this building. States Government within one-quarter of a mile of the Distiict Mr. GROUT. Well, Mr. Speaker, I hope the gentleman will of Columbia asylum, and useful for purposes of farming, as it not dwell upon this, because it has passed the point where a point was stated on the floor. It was further stated then that adjoin of order would lie; besides, I insist it is subject to no point _of ing land was needed by the asylum for farming purposes. But order. now it is proposed that the United States shall give 60 acres of its -Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. Well, Mr. Speaker, after confer land to the District of Columbia without a dollar of compensa ence with the gentleman, who is seeing that there is no excessive tion-donating it; and that is the provision inserted by the con appropriation, I make the point of order now. ferees and is not the Senate amendment, and it is not a House Mr. GROUT. The point comes too late. We have entered upon provision, but it comes here now for the first time. the discussion of the report. It was said upon the floor of the House before that we did not The SPEAKER. What is the point of order made by the gen have land enough at the asylum for the useful purpose of farming. tleman from Vermont? Not only is this a measure slipped in by the conferees; not only is Mr. GROUT. That the point of order made by the gentleman it a donation of land worth from thirty to sixty thousand dollars from Indiana comes too late. belonging to the United States, but it is sought to place the alms Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. I just learned it from the state house of the District of Columbia in the most unhealthy locality ment which bas been read. in the Distiict. You have at the asylum over there 2,100 inmates, The SPEAKER. The Chau: did not understand the point of whom it is claimed are soldiers and sailors. Eleven hundred of order made by the gentleman from Vermont. them are from the District of Columbia, and you have already Mr. GROUT. It is that it comes too late, and besides it is not donated a site for that, and to take care of the District insane out sub ~ ect to a point of order. The action of the conferees is strictly of the United States Treasury in making appropriations to build within the subject-matter submitted on the disagreeing votes of an asylum under the guise of the Army and Navy insane asylum, the two Houses-- but it is really for the District of Columbia. 3164 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, Of this 2,100 people insane over there, one-half of whom, only, Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. I appeal to the generosity of th& are from the Army and Navy, 10 per cent die every year. The gentleman from Vermont to allow this matter to come before the autopsies in 1,400 cases show that 23 per cent die from pulmonary Chair as an original proposition. diseases aggravated by the malaria from the Potomac Flats. These Mr. GROUT. Why, Mr. Speaker, I do not think the Chair are conditions within the knowledge of all who have investigated understood the point I presented. When this point of order was the records or observed the physical conditions. It is claimed by made it was insisted by myself that the matter was not subject to the sarveyors and engineers of the District that by a proper con a point of order for two reasons, first, because it was entirely struction of dikes and embankments 130 acres of land contiguous within the scope of the subject submitted to conference-was not to the 189 acres now used by the asylum can be reclaimed for the outside of the matters submitted-and, second, that it was not Government use. The Potomac River flowing over it has pro made in season. duced a degree of malaria unheard of, in my judgment, anywhere The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair will say that this ques else in the District and anywhere else in the country. tion can only come up now by unanimous consent, and there is Now, it is proposed over there not only to put the poor soldiers one member objecting. and sailors where they die at the rate of 10 per cent every year, Mr. GROUT. Very well . . Now, then, astowhythiswas done. but also the poor of .the Distri.ct; and in order to secure on the I will tell all about it. Here was a proposition to purchase a site part of the United States Government a part of this land, it is for a municipal almshouse the necessity for which we need not provided that this almshouse shall be built there without a cent consider for a moment. It is conceded by all. The House con being paid for the purchase of a site; and this is done in contra ferees were inclined to agree to the amendment of the Senate; but ventiOn of the safe and useful rules of the House. Under the law the question arose with us-wholly within the walls of the room of 1878 the District pays one-half of the expense for school sites where the conference was in progress-whether we might not and school buildings; it pays one-half of the expense for the utilize some of the ground which the Government owned, instead building of bridges in this District; it pays one-half of the expense of purchasing other land. We realized how excited our friends for the maintenance of the waterworks plant. on the other side become when a question about the purchase of And now the United States Government is asked to yield 60 lan·d arises. They get just wild on that subject. acres of land for the purpose of acquiring a site for the erection In view of that fact, and it being within the knowledge of the of an asylum for the poor of this District in the most unhealthy committee that this tract of land which the superintendent of the locality known. The death rate in this District already is high asylum, Dr. Richardson, had stated was of no practical use to enough; and when yon inquire of the man who for many years has the asylum, we thought it might be well to put the almshouse been in the wash room of the House of Representatives [Charles there. · Carter], when you inquire of another of the House employees who Instead of buying land, knowing that Dr. Richardson had recom has beeri. in the barber shop here for years [John Williams], when mended that this 59-acre piece be disposed of, and knowing, also, they tell you what they know about the conditions in that part of that steps were being taken to dispo~e of it, the conferees thought this District you will find that they, with their families, were that this land, whic.h was of no account for asylum purposes, driven out, to protect themselves against the malaria of the Poto might well enough be utilized for the purpose of an almshouse mac Heights. It is far from charity to locate the unfortunate site, hoping and expecting (incorrectly as it turns out) that in poor over there. this way we would avoid opening the subject of the purchase of It may be that it is useful to pass this kind of legislation in this land, which was proposed by the amendment of the Senate, and way, but I appeal to those who are in favor of economy; I appeal which, every time it comes up in the House, makes certain gen- to those who are interested in charity. I ask members of this tlemen frantic. . Honse not to sanction a species of legislation which would never Mr. LOUD. The District should have paid the half of this ex receive their approval had it been presented otherwise than in a pense, but you propose that the United States Government pay conference report. How long shall we abdicate our powers as the whole. members of the Honse and yield legislative powers to our con Mr. GROUT. I will say to my friend from California that we ferees? It is not often that we have measures slipped in in this agreed on this proposition for the purpose of avoiding the pur.. sly way, but you find here, covered over with a veil of charity. an chase of this land-for the purpose of utilizing land which every ingenious project. I might add that this is coupled with another body who knows anything about the subject knows is not used by proposition that will come up later on in the sundry civil bill the asylum, and which the superintendent was recommending that will affect the insane asylum across the river. should be disposed of; and if I may be allowed to refer to it, I may You find here a veiled attempt to get for the District of Colum say that a proposition is pending in another place to dispose of this bia land in a neighborhood which gi-ves it such a value, and which land. was stated to be so valuable only a few days ago, when we refused .Mr. SHAFROTH. Why should not the District of Columbia to purchase additional land for the insane asylum. This is the_ pay one-half of the cost of this land? same plan, the same plot, the same scheme; and it justifies every Mr. GROUT. That question is a fair one and I will answer it. lover of economy, every lover of the human race, in voting against This land cost the Government $6,000 for the 59 acres. That is this conference report and teaching conferees, as was well said all. The Senate amendment proposed to tax the General Govern by the distinguished gentleman from New York [Mr. SHERYAN] ment $12.500 for this site, when, if this land were taken, it would on yesterday, to go out and do their duty under the rules of the cost the Government less than one-half as much. Honse. Mr. SHAF ROTH. What is the value of the site selected at The gent1 eman from Vermont [Mr. GROUT] admits that if this present? point of order had been made in time it would have been fataL Mr. GROUT. It is undoubtedly worth more now than $6,000. Therefore let us pre erve our prerogatives-- Mr. SHAFROTH. Ought not the District to pay half the ap Mr. GROUT. "The gentleman from Vermont" does not admit praised value? that if the point of order had.been made in time it would have been Mr. GROUT. Possibly. I was going to speak about that. good. 1\1r. SHAFROTH. Is it not the general agreement that the Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. I do not want to misstate the gen District shall pay half of these expenses? tleman's position; but I understood him to say that the point of Mr. GROUT. Certainly; and to be frank with the gentleman, order, if raised in time, would have been well taken. speaking for myself alone, the thought of dividing the cost of this Mr. GROUT. Oh, no. land never occurred to me at the time this matter was under con Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana. But however that may be, here sideration in conference, or I, standing constantly as I always we are in the closing days of this session, with every possible have for the half and half division between the District and the scheme that can be devised by man, and especially schemes relating General Government, might have stipulated for a provision of to the District of Columbia, coming here to confront us; and now that kind. That can be done at any time, however in the future. is a goodchanceto assert our prerogative as legislators in this House. We have corrected in the present bill the appropriation of S1 0 000, Mr. GROUT. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from California which was inadvertently put upon the General Government in fMr. LouD] asks that the Chair may determine this point of or excess of its share last session. These matters are always under der on its merits. I am willing that it should be so determined. I the control of Congress; are always in our own hands. stated both grounils to the Chair. Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker- Mr. LOUD_ One of which evidently the Chair listened to. 1\Jr. SHAFROTH. After the grant is given, will it? M1·. GROUT. The Chair could not have failed to hear both The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Colorado grounds. I am perfectly willing to submit the point of order on must first address the Chair. its merits. Mr. SHAFROTH. Mr. Speaker, would it not be too late to at Mr. LOUD. I hope the gentleman will do so. tempt to impose upon the District any part of the cost of this site? Mr. GROUT. I do it. I will take the decision of the Chair l\1r. GROUT. Mr. Speaker, it would not. This whole business now on that question. I am perfectly willing to do it. of District expenditures is inquired into at every session of Con The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. HEPBURN). The present oc gress, and whatever is not right is always open to correctjon. I cupant of the chair is unwilling to overrule his predecessor, but just stated to you that we brought into the House in this bill an will say that if this were an original proposition he would hold item of $10,000. It was not properly divided last year. But the that the point of order did not come too late. money has been expended. .. . 1901. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD--HOUSE. 3165 Mr. SHAFROTH. Why can not it be corrected now? A proposition has recently been made by owners of land abutting the pres ent hospital site to exchange 59i acres thertof for the above-described lot Mr. GROUT. It can not without voting down the report and pnrch~ed by the Government in 1867. This proposition was called to the going back into confer~nce_, if it was thought desirable to do so; ~ttenbon .of the Senate Committee on Appropriations under date of the 23d but I do not. Now I will yield to the gentleman from illinois. mstant with favorable commendation. . Mr. CANN.ON. The gentleman from Colorado asked the ques E. A . ffiTCHCOCK, tion I was gomg to ask. As I understood the gentleman, if under SecretanJ. this permission to use these lands the District Commissioners From this, {?entlemen will see that the Secretary has another should locate the almshouse upon it, instead of buying land some purpose for thiS land, and that probably nothing will ever come of where else, that it is quite competent for Congress at the next the proposition which so disturbs you. session, or at any other time, to care for the half that the District :Mr. LOUD. Does that plan involve the giving of some of the ought to pay out of the District funds. land on the asylum site in exchange? Mr. GROUT. Precisely so, Mr. Speaker. The gentleman from Mr. GROUT. As I understand it, it is a proposition to exchange tha~ 59 acres of land owned by the asylum across Nichols avenue, lliino~s :r::takes th~t very plain. Should yve come to the actual ap propriation of this land, we can then adJust the cost of it between wh1eh the asylum does not want, for 59 acres on the same side of the Government and the District of Columbia. the avenue with the asylum buildings, and which the asylum Mr. LOUD. Why did not you incorporate it? does want, on which to erect new buildings. Mr. GROUT. I have already fully explained how there is no Mr. RO~INSON of Indiana. I understand the proposition to necessity that it be done in this bill. I am wondering why the be that this land that the House rejected the other day is to be gentleman is so swift to-day with questions and so full of the sub brought about in this way. ject. Mr. GROP'F· I .do not say that this will be so, but I expect Mr. LOUD. I am swift in trying to get information. tl?-at prop~s1tion Will come before the House on the sundry civil Mr. GROUT. I am glad to know the gentleman wants infor b1ll when It comes ba_ck from the other eJ?-d of the Capitol, and mation and will willingly tell him all I know about it. Remem th.en the gentleman will have an opportunity to try this question ber this provision for the transfer of that land does not make it w1th the gentleman from Illinois, the chairman of the Committee obligatory; it is simply permissive so far as the Secretary of the on Appropriations, who will have charge of that bill. Then the Interior and the Commissioners are concerned. . gentleman can perform on this question again. :Mr. Speaker, Mr. LOUD. But this makes it final. n~w, there ~re other reasons why we put this proposition in the Mr. GROUT. · Power is conferred on the Commissioners and bill a~d which I ba.ve not bad an opportunity to state yet. We the Secretary of the Interior, and if they do appropriate for the put this amendment in the bill thinking it would enable the Com almshouse the land, that will settle the question, and in another missioners to buy land to better advantage by making them inde session Congress can rightfully settle the question of cost. But p e nd~nt of_ those who had land to sell by thus having a chance to now-- pr_oVIde ~ ~1te on l~d ~lready o~~ed by.the Government. Keep in . Mr. LOOD. Would it not be legislation, if you want to correct J?IDd this Is a permiSsive propoSition-Simply a permissive proposi tion-and enables the Secret~ry and the Commissioners in their It; a~d any one member of the House on an appropriation bill on discretion, to deal with this subject as they may think best. a pomt of ~rder would be a~le to throw it out, and you would have to do It on a separate bill or by unanimous consent? Now, those who have had anything to do with buying land in Mr. GROUT. It would not be legislation, because under the W ~shingt~n or elsewhere will understand the advantage of not act of 1878 the District and General Government ml!St bear b~1?g e~trrely de~ende~t _on those who wish to sell. This pro equally all the municipal expenses. This almshouse is an item of VISion gives the CoiilllllSsiOners another string to their bow an municipal expense and there is full authority under the organic other alternative to fall back on; and this is another reason ~hy act to deal with it in an appropriation bill. this provision was put into the report-- MI:. LOUJ?. You have ha-d hold of the string, but the string Mr. LOUD. But-- was m the air. ~·~ROUT. Wa~t a ~oment. This is a municipal expense; and If m our transactions, m our bookkeeping, we happen to make Mr. GRqUT. It is only in the air in the mind of the gentle man. I thmk everybody else understands it. and has hold of the an er~or when we ~~ke the footings at one time, can there be any question but that It IS always open for us to correct it at another? string with me. Mr. LOUD. Does the gentleman assume that if the United -Mr. LOUD. It is admitted by the gentleman. Mr. GROUT. How much time have I left, Mr. Speaker? ~tates Government deeds t There was no objection. known that it is not a unanimous agreement on this item, but The SPEAKER. The Clerk will read the statement of the House only the best that can be done now. conferees. Mr. HEMENWAY. The gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. Mo :M:r. HEPBURN. I desire to make a parliamentary inquiry. Is RAE] was sick at the time of our conference and could not be it competent now, before the debate begins upon any question con present. The conferees on the part of the House stood by the nected with this matter! to reserve points of order? If so, I want House provision until we thought it necessary to yield. to make that reservation. I-do not know that I shall take advan The House will observe that we have decreased the amount of tag-e of it. the bill as·passed by the Senate to the extent of $225,000, so that The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa reserves all points the bill as now agreed upon appropriates $136,550 more than the of order upon the report. bill as passed by the House. The conference report is as follows: On the question of gun forgings we had but little evidence. The The committee of conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses House proposed to reduce the price from 22 cents to 20 cents per - on the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 13822) making appropri pound. The Senate fixed 21 cents a pound as the price, the result ations for fortifications and other works of defense, for the armament thereof, for the procurement of heavy ordnance for trial and service, and of which is that we make a net saving of about $100,000 to$150,000 for other purposes, having l]'let, after full and free conference have agreed a year over the amount paid under the current law. The bill as to recommend and do recommend to their respective Houses as follows: now agreed upon carries $19,617less than the current law. That-the Senate recede from its amendments numbered 1, 2, and 5. That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendments of the I move the adoption of the report. • Senate numbered 3, 4, 6. 8, 9, and 10 and agree to the same. The report was adopted. Amendment No.7: That the House recede from its disagreement to the On motion of Mr. HEMENWAY, a motion to reconsider the amendment of the Senate numbered 7, and agree to the same with an ame:qd vote by which the report was adopted was laid on the table. ment as follows: In lieu of the matter inserted by said amendment insert the following: "the expenditure of which shall be made by the several bu reaus of the War Department heretofore having jurisdiction of the same, or CIVIL GOVERNMENT FOR PORTO RICO. by the board itself. a.,; the Secretary of War may direct, and one additional Mr. COOPER of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous member shall be added to the said Board of Ordnance and Fortifications, who shall be an at· tillery officer of technical ability and experience, to be selected consent for the present consideration of House bill12396, reported by the Secretary of War;" and the Senate agree to the same. from the Committee on Insular Affairs. J . .A. HEMENWAY, Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, I SAMUEL J. PUGH, would like to inquire about that. Manage1's on the part of the House. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Wisconsin asks unani- GEO. C. PERKINS, I F. E. WARREN, mous consent to call up the following bill, and to move noncon B. R. TILLMAN, currence in the amendments of the Senate. The Clerk will report Managers on the pa1·t of the Senate. 1 the title of the bill. The statement of the House conferees was read, as follows: The Clerk read as follows: The managers on the part of the House at the conference on the disagree H. R. WJOO. To amend an act entitled "An act temporarily to provide rev· ing votes of the two Houses on the amendm~nts of the Senate to the bill enues and a civil government for Porto Rico, and for other purposes," ap (H. R. 1382'J) making appropriations for fortifications and other works of de proved Aprill2, 1900. and to increase the salary of the commissioner of edu fense, submit the following written statement in explanation of the action cation provided for by said act. agreed upon and recomm~nded in the accompanying report, namely: The Senate amendments were read at length. , On amendment No.1: Strikes out the appropriation of $225~000 proposed by the Senate for the purchase of land on Cushing's Island, Marne. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Wisconsin asks unani On amendment No. 2: Requires, as proposed by the House, that certain mous consent to consider the bill just read, and moves to noncon tools, electrical and engine supplies shall be furnished by the Engineer De cur in the amendments of the Senate, and ask for a conference partment. On amendment No.3: Limits the price to be paid for gun forgings to 21 thereon. Is there objection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears cent!! per pound, as proposed by the Senate, instead of 20 cents as proposed none, and it is so ordered. _The Chair announces the following by the Hoose. managers on the part of the House: Mr. CooPER of Wisconsin, On amendment No. !1: Appropriates $7l,OOO,as proposed by the Senate, for carria:res for U-iuch mortars. Mr. HITT, and Mr. JoNES of Virginia. On am(l udment Xo. 5: Appropriatesspecifically,asproposed by the House, MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT. $25,1lll0 for care, rep':l.ir, and preservation of fortifications in the harbor at Gah·eston. _ A message in writing from the President of the United States On amendment No. 6: .Appropriates Sl5 000, as proposed by the Senate, for waf::l communicated to the House of Representatives, by Mr. PRu erecting and equipping a chemical laboratory at Sandy Hook proving ground. DEN, one of nis secretaries, who also informed the House of Repre n amendment No. 7: Provides, as proposed by the Senate, that the ex sentatives that the President had approved and signed bills and penr1iture of the appropriation for the Board of Ordnance and Fortification joint resolutions of the following titles: ~hall J·e made hy the several bureaus of the War Department or by the board itself, as the Secretary of War may direct, and provides for the addi On February 23, 1901: tion of one artillery officer, instl.'ad of two as proposed by the Senate, to the H. R. 6240. An act for the preparation of plans or designs for a Board of Ordnance and Fortification. memorial or statue of Gen. Ulysses S. Grant on ground belonging On amendment No.8: .Appropriates $50,550 for the test of the Gathmann torpedo gun. to the United States Government in the city of Washington, On arne ments Nos. 9 and 10: Places the proposed purchase of the Isham D. C.; shell and Tuttle thorite in the discretion of the Secretary of War and pro H. R. 11786. An act to declare a branch of the Mississippi River vides that no money shaH be paid for said patent until the Secretary of War shall be satisfied that the Government shall have a lawful right to use the opposite the city of La Crosse, Wis., and known as West Channel, same. to be unnavigable, and that the said city be relieved of necessity The bill as finally agreed upon appropriates $7,364,011, being_$225,000 less of maintaining a draw or pontoon bridge over said West Channel; than as it passed the Senate, $136,550 more than as it passed the House, $19,617 less than the current law, and $5,097,182less than the estimates. H. R. 5874. An act to pay H. P. Dyer for carrying mail; J. A. HEMENWAY, H. R. 13731. An act to provide an American register for the • SAMUEL J. PUGH, steamer Enterp1"ise; Managers on the part of the House. H. R. 13193. An act to authorize the Director of the Census to Mr. HEMENWAY. I yield to the gentleman from Arkansas make payments for information concerning cotton gins, and for [Mr. .McRAE] as much time as he may desire. other purposes; Mr. McRAE. Mr. Speaker, I was not present when this agree H. R. 13782. An act to amend section 4427, Title LII, of theRe ment was reached in conference, but I have since examined the vised Statutes, relating to inspectors of hulls and boilers; bill and the report. And with one exception I have no objection H. R. 7840. An act for the establishment of a light-house and fog to the report. I think that the Senate amendment No.3, which signal at Point No Point, in Chesapeake Bay, between Cove Point increases the price of steel gun forgings from 20 to 21 cents a and Smiths Point; pound, ought not to have been agreed to.: yet I assume that my H. J. Res. 2~5. Joint resolution providing for the printing an colleagues on the committee did the best they could. I want to nually of the Report on Field Operations of the Division of Soils, say that we pay more for these forgings than they are worth. We Department of Agriculture; and have been paying 22 cents a pound. That is $4:92.80 a ton. We H. J. Res. 292. Joint resolution providing for reprint of Bulle now buy armor plate at 8400 a ton, plus the royalty. On these tin No. 80, entitled "The Agricultural Experiment Stations of the steel forgings we pay no royalty, and therefore we have been United States." paying S92 more for these forgings than we now pay for armor On February 25, 1901: . plate. Under the proposition now agreed to by the committee we H. R. 11111. An act to authorize the Mobile and West Alabama shall pay $470.40 per ton. Railroad Company to construct and maintain a bridge across the I think it was unfortunate that we c.ould not have secured in Tomb igbee River between the counties of Marengo and Choctaw, conference the reduction agreed to in the Honse of 2 cents per below Demopolis, Ala.; pound. Even at that rate we would have paid $48 more for this H. R. 11110. An act to authorize the Mobile and West Alabama material than we do for armor plate. And, from all the informa Railroad Company to construct and maintain a bridge across the tion we can get, it costs little, if any, more to manufacture these Warrior River between the countieR of Walker and Jefferson, in than it does to manufacture armor plate. I do not propose to in section 35, township 17, range 7 west, Alapama; sist that the report at this time ought to be rejected, but I want it H. R. 9154. An act granting authority to Alafia, Manatee and 3168 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, Gulf Coast Railroad Company to build railroad bridges across the H. R. 5198. An act granting an increase of pension to SamuelS. Manatee River and Gasparilla Sound and to lay railroad tracks Stafford; thereon; H. R. 5224. An act granting an increase of pension to Daniel H. R. 13635. An act to authorize the construction of a bridge Smith; across Little River, at or near mouth of Big Lake, State of H. R. 5336. An act granting an increase of pension to William Arkansas; · S. Swaney; H. R. 10869. An act for the relief of the Medawakanton Band of H. R. 5441. An act granting an increase of pension to Hugh Sioux Indians, residing in Redwood County, Minn.; Thompson; H. R. 8067. An act to incorporate theNationalSocietyof United H. R. 5524. An act granting an increase of pension to Richard States Daughters of 1812; P. Mitchell; H. R. 13~02. An act supplemental to an act entitled "An act to H. R. 5613. An act granting an increase of pension to Louis incorporate the Reform School for Girls of the District of Colum- Nessell; · bi.a," approved July 9, 1888; H. R. 6148. An act granting an increase of pension to William H. R. 365. An act granting a pension to Aries Butcher; M. Tom; H. R. 2623. An act granting a pension to Melville Oliphant; H. R. 6319. An act granting an increase of pension to George H. R. 3466. An act· grantjng a pension to Hiram Stimple; W. Cox; H .• R. 3546. An act granting a pension to Caroline M. H. Sear- H. R. 6407. An act granting an increase of pension to Michael inO'· S. Brockett; fL. R. 3871. An act granting a pension to William J. Worth- H. R. 6552. An act granting an increase of pension to Abram P. ington; Pew· .B.. R. 3949. An act granting a pension to Minnie Gray; H.' R. 6787. An act granting an increase of pension to Edwin A.. H. R. 4357. An act granting a pension toJakobinaHalbertsma; Wilson; H. R. 4672. An act granting a pension to James W. Boden; H. R. 6914. An act granting an increase of pension to Elliott H. R. 4813. An act granting a pension to Taylor Hux; Loomis; H. R. 4906. An act granting a pension to Ellen Quinn; H. R. 6921. An act granting an increase of pension to Gustav · H. R. 5303. An act granting a pension to Julia A. Prouty; Rienecker; H. R. 5614. An act granting a pension to Virginia R. Friede· H. R. 6997. An act granting an increase of pension to Josephine born; H. Whitehead; H. R. 6145. An act granting a pension to Benoni A. McConnell; H. R: 7315. An act granting an increase of pension to William H. R. 8001. An act granting a. pension to Sampson D. Bridg- W. King; · man; H. R. 7617. An act granting an increase of pension to·Rebecca H. R. 8106. An act granting a pension to Olivia Donathy; Tolson; H. R. 9182. An act granting a pension-to Eva K. Nyberg; I H. R. 7810. An act granting an increase of pension to Robert P. H. R. 9235. An act granting a pension to Peter Lundberg; Currin; H. R. 9269. An act granting a pension to Olie Heaton; H. R. 8297. An act granting an increase of pension to Albert H. R. 9370. An act granting a pension to Louis M. Staning; Buck; H. R. 9536. An act granting a pension to Sarah Hastings, for- H. R. 8525. An act granting an increase of pension to Maurice merly Sarah Carter; - Fitzgerald; H. R. 9787. An act granting a pension to Marion M. Stone; H. R. 8658. An act granting an incre-ase of pension to Edwin G. H. R. 9914. An act granting a pension to Almira A. Scott; Fay; . H. R. 10358. An act granting a pension to Elizabeth J. Jones; H. R. 9005. An act grauting an increase of pension to William H. R. 10706. An act granting a pension to Flora Moore; W. Schooley; H. R. 11145. An act granting a pension to William C. Chandler; H. R. 9023. An act granting an increase of pension to Mary E. H. R. 11158. An act granting a pension to Daniel Palmatary; Dobyns; H. R. 11187. An act granting a pension to James W. Russell; H. R. 9066. An act granting an increase of pension to Joseph H. R. 11395. An act granting a pension to Sarah J. Binnix; N. Loving; H. R. 11452. An act granting a pension to Nettie L. Bliss· H. R. 9218. An act granting an increase of pension to George H. R. 12294. An act granting a pension to Lottie M. Rankins; W. Hissey; H. R. 12411. An act granting a pension to Catherine T. Howell; H. R. 9672. An act granting an increase of pension to Mary H. R. 12566. An act granting a pension to George M. Walker; J.D. McGlensey; H. R. 12577. An act granting a pension to Sarah B. Schaeffer; H. R. 9874. An act granting an increase of pension to Anna F. H. R. 12778. An act granting a pension to Adoniram J. Holmes; Johnson; B. R. 13133. An act granting a pension to Joseph V. Hoffecker; H. R. 10021. An act granting an increase of pension to John R. H. R. 13237. An act granting a pension to Jacob Hoerr; Robinson; H. R. 429. An act granting an increase of pension to John R. H. R. 10055. An act granting an increase of pensiQn to Fred- Joy: erick G. McDowell; H·. R. 551. An act granting an increase of pension to Frank F. H. R.. 10118. An act granting an increase of pension to Mary Carnduff: Flynn; · H. R. 601. An act granting an increase of pension to Darnel W. H. R. 10480. An act granting an increase of pension to George Shaw: P. Overton; · H. R. 633. An act granting an increase of pension to Vianna H. R. 10564. An act granting an increase of pension to James Mallard; R. Husted; H. R. 1148. An act granting an increase of pension to Isaac D. H. R. 10792. An act granting an increase of pension to John T. Toll· Knox; H.' R. 1235. An act granting an increase of pension to Cham· H. R. 10871. An act granting an increase of pension to Mary A. ness S. Burks; Brown; H. R. 2396. An act granting an increase of pension to Francis H. R. 11277. An act granting an increase of pension to Thomas H. Pike; A. Cord; H. R. 2595. An act granting an increase of pension to William H. R.-11312. An act granting an increase of pension to Johnson C. Griffin: H. Fitzpatrick; H. R. 2692. An act granting an increase of pension to Louisa N. H. R. 11335. An act granting an increase of pension to Silas Godfrey; Howa1·d; H. R. 3078. An act granting an increase of pension to Amanda H. R. 11507. An act granting an increase of pension to Perry C. W. Clancy; Jeffrey; H. R. 3232. An act granting an increase of pension to David H. R. 11583. An act granting an increase of pension to Jerome Flinn; R. Rowley; H. R. 3247. An act granting an increase of pension to George H. R. 11603. An act granting an increase of pension to Sarah A. Mowry; · Dininny; H. R. 3945. An act granting an increase of pension to Burdette H. R. 11658. An act granting an increase of pension to Mary J. N. Cleaveland; Nelson; H. R. 4068. An act granting an increase of pension to MariaN. H. R. 11806. An act granting an increase of pension to Edward Flint; Hause; · H. R. 4078. An act granting an increase of pension to John D. H. R. 11812. An act granting an increase of pension to Daniel E. Allen; Turner· H. R. 5195. An act granting an increase of pension to Jacob W. H. R: 11836. An act granting an increase of pension to Bela Kouts; Sawyer; - .. 1901. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3169 H. R. 12079. An act granting an increase of pension to Benja panying papers, was referred to the Committee on Invalid Pen min T. Thomas; sions, and ordered to be printed: H. R. 12142. An act granting an increase of pension to William To the House of Representatives: B. Wright; In compliance with resolution of the Honse of Representatives on the 20th H. R. 12184. An act granting an increase of pension to Thomas instant (the Senate concurring), I return herewith bills of the House CH. R. 4963 and H. R. 8998) entitled, respectively, "An act granting an increase of pen· Jefferson Holmes; sion to Charles E. Churchill" and "An act granting an increase of pension to H. R. 12190. An act granting an increase of pension to Patrick Alexander F. Hartford." Connelly; WILLIAM McKI.!.'iLEY. H. R. 12241. An act granting an increase of pension to Franklin E .XECUTIVE MANSION, February 27, 19:J1. Warren; AUTHORITY TO PillA COUNTY, ARIZ., TO EXECUTE A.ND ISSUE BONDS. H. R. 12249. An act granting an increase of pension to Gideon Mr. KNOX. Mr. Speaker, I present a conference report which Johnson; · - 1 think will not lead to any discussion, and I ask that the state H. R. 12250. An act granting an increase of pension to Patrick ment may be read. Brennan; The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the title of the bill. H. R. 12297. An act granting an increase of pension to Andrew The Clerk read as follows: J. Harbison; A bill (H. R. 8068) to authorize the board of supervisors of Pima County, H. R. 12301. An act granting an increase of pension to Jacob E. Ariz., to execute and issue fifty-year 5 per cent bonds upon Pima County to Swap; redeem certain funded indebtedness of said county. H. R. 12350. An act granting an increase of pension to James The SPEAKER. The gentleman asks unanimous consent that Paul; the statement may be read and the report omitted. Is there ob H. R. 12391. An act granting an increase of pension to James 1\I. jection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. Campbell; . The statement was read, as follows: H. R. 12415. An act granting an increase of pension to Carrie Statement of the conferees to the Sf'nate and House of Representatives as to amendments, etc., to H. R. 8068, upon which the conference committee is Otis Wallace; agreed. H. R. 12433. An act granting an increase of pension to Ferdi- First. The House agrees to the amendment of the Senate on page 3, line 9, nand Wagner; . · of the original bill. '!'he effect of this amendment is to reduce the interest H. R. 12441. An act granting an increase of pension to Aaron upon the authorized bonds from 5 per cent to i per cent maximum. R. Rohrbach; On the second amendment the Senat-e receded from its amendment on pag~ 3, lines 12 to H, the effect of which is that the Senate amendment H. R. 12444. An act granting an increase of pension to John D. eliminated the denomination of the bonds specified to be funded and the Cohler; specific amount of the same, to wit, 147,001, bonds as authorized by the H. R. 12473. An act granting an increase of pension to E. Brad- original bill, and amended so as to specify legal bonded indebtedness. The Senate receding from that renders the bonds authorized by tho ori~nal bill ford Gay; . as specified in its preamble, intact, and specifies the bonds authoriZed to te H. R. 1~476. An act granting an increase of pension to Samuel funded and specifies the amount. Minnich; Third. The Senate in receding from its amendment on page 3, lines 15-lG :yields their amendment which destroyed the number and amount of the bonds H. R. 12490. An act granting an increase of pension to Andrew authorized to be funded and left it as originally provided for in the House. J. West; · Fourth. The Senate receding from its amendment on page 3, line 18, H. R. 12491. An act granting an increase of pension to Robert wherein thi.s amendment struck out the language denominating the bonds au thorized to be funded, restores it to the number and kind authorized in the H. Metcalf; original bill. H. R. 12516. An act granting an increase of pension to Edward Fifth. The House agrees to the Senate amendment striking out the pream Warner; ble, with the following amendment to which the Senate agrees; that 1s they 12526. strikeout~he 'Yords •·t~eafores::J.id,': being the qualifying'Yordsreferringto H. R. An act granting an increase of pension to Alexan the denommahon and kind of bonds m the preamble of the bill, and they insert der C. Scott; in lieu of it the following, in line 12 after the word ''of:" "The 117 negotiable H. R. 12606. An act granting an increase of pension to Marcel coupon bonds, each in the sum of $1.000, and dated June 30,1 1, issued by the lus A. Lothrop; board of supervisors of Pima County, Ariz., and numbered 10! to 250 inclu sive." TJ:?.e effect of this ~s to .knock out the ~reamble specifying the bonds H. R. 12616. An act granting an increase of pension to Nancy and the hJStory of the legiSlation on them, andmcorporating the number and T. Hardy; kind of bonds and the amount of the same authoriZed to be funded in the H. R. 12710. An act granting an increase of pension to William body of the bill, which in reality makes the bill as agreed upon by the confer ence committee, with the exception that it reduces the maximum interest H. Simmonds: authorized from 5 per cent to 4 per cent. H. R. 12826: An act granting an increase of pension to Char~es 'The bill as amended and agreed upon by the conference committee strips H. Knapp; the original bill of it preamble, which specifies the bonds authorized to be funded and the legislative action leading up to them, and incorporates them H. R. 13120. An act granting an increase of pension to Albert in the body of the bill, \Vhich makes the bill in effect just as it was intended L. Duddleson; to be by the House, with the exception of interest as aforesaid, being 4 per H. R. 13123. An act granting an increase of pension to Charles cent instead of 5 per cent. All of which is respectfully submitted to the House, and the House is re- Hawkins; spectfully asked to concur in and indorse this report. H. R. 13134. An act granting an increase of pension to William W. S. KNOX, P. Rucker; L. FLETCHER, H. R. 13204. An act granting an increase of pension to Henry D. E. FINLEY, H. Brown; Managers on the pa1-t of the House. H. R. 13236. An act granting an increase of pension to James Mr. KNOX. Mr. Speaker, I move the adoption of the report. Barton; The report was agreed to. · H. R. 13312. An act granting an increase of pension to Albert On motion of Mr. KNOX, a motion to reconsider the vote by which Foster; and - the conference report was agreed to was laid on the table. H. R. 13593. An act granting an increase of pension to Lewis NAVA.L APPROPRI.A.TION BILL. W. Phillips. I On February 26, 1901: Mr. DAYTON. Mr. Speaker, now desire to call up and have H. R. 3599. An act for the relief of Lewis M. Millard; the Honse resume further consideration of the naval appropriation H. R. 2085. An act granting a pension to Jane A. E. Womack; bill. H. R. 8Hl0. An act granting a pension to Henry Miller; The SPEAKER. The unfinished work on this bill is the dispo H. R. 12696. An act granting a pension to John B. Frisbee; sition of a motion with respect to the last Senate amendment. H. R. 4142. An act to amend section 1225 of Revised Statutes, The gentleman from Texas [Mr. HAWLEY] has fifteen minutes re so as to provide for detail of retired officers of the Army and Navy maining on his motion to recede and agree to the amendment of to assist in military instruction in schools; and the Senate. The• gentleman from West Virginia has thirty min H. R. 50.36. An act to authorize the Carolina Northern Railroad utes remaining. Company to construct and maintain a bridge across tbe Lumber Mr. DAYTON. I now desire, Mr. Speaker, to yield ten minutes River in or near the town of Lumberton, Robeson County, N.C. to my colleague on the committee [Mr. WATSO~] . On February 27, 1901 : Mr. W AT80N. Mr. Speaker, I shall not ask the indulgence of H. R. 11789. An act amending an act entitled "An act author the Honse for any great period on this proposition, because I do not believe that any extended discussion of the matter involved in izin~ the construction of a bridge over the Mississippi River to the city of St. Louis, in the State of Missouri, from some suitable this controverey is essential. It will be remembered that the point between the north line of St. Clair County, Til., and the naval bill as it passed the House omitted any reference whatever southwest line of said county," approved March 3, A. D.1897; and to submarine boats. In the Senate the House bill was amended H. R. 12327. An act to amend an act granting to railroads the so as to provide for three submarine boats of the Holland type; right of way through the public lands of the United States, ap and the question under consideration at this time is, shall we concur in the Senate amendment and authorize the construction proved March 3, 1875. of three submarine boats, or shall we reaffirm the former action RETURN OF BILLS FROM THE PRESIDE~T. of the House? The SPEAKER laid before the Honse the following message Mr. Speaker, I am opposed to the Senate amendment. I am op from the President of the United States; which, with the accom- posed to any further authorization of submarine boats at this XXXIV- 199 3170 CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, time; and I desire the House to understand the situation in order cur in the Senate amendment, and we ask the House to sustain us that it may vote intelligently upon the question which confronts it. in this contention. The Ccmmittee on Naval Affairs of t.he House had frequent hear I do not intend at this time, Mr. Speaker, to enter upon any dis ings upon the question involved in this contest. The members of cussion as to the defects of the Holland invention-as to the.de· the various boards who are familiar with submarine boats were fre fects of any of its devices or its mechanical appliances. I do not quently before this committee. Testimony was taken upon every think it essential at this time that the House should enter upon point involved in this controversy, and after careful consideration the technical question in order to determine whether it shall stand of the measure in all its details the Committee on Naval Affairs by its committee or stand by the Senate committee. I believe all decided not to authorize the construction of any further subma we need to know is that this thing has never been tested, that it rine boats at this time. The reasons which impelled the commit is in an experimental stage, and that in all the trials that have tee to this action are many and obvious. In the first place, Mr. been given it it has f~iled in every instance to measure up to the Speaker, the price is not one which warrants this House at this required standard. It has not met its promises in all regards and time in authorizing the construction of these boats. has only fulfilled them to the extent of 75 per cent of what was The Senate placed the maximum limit of $170,000, but we have originally alleged. [Applause.] very reliable testimony before us of men who are conversant with 1\Ir. HAWLEY. Mr. Speaker, I have listened with great inter the cvnstruction of ships and whose sole duty is to deal with mat est to the gentleman from Indiana [Mr. WATSON], and I wish to ters of this character that they ought not to cost more than from say at the outset that every word which he has spoken with re fifty to seventy-five thousand dollars, and until this matter can be spect to the experimental stage of these boats and with respect to definitely determined it is not wise on the part of this House to the competition which he invites has not only been denied upon authorize the further construction at the price of $170,000 for the highest authority, but, in my judgment, has been absolutely each ship.· disproven. There is a true economy which I think this House in .In the second place, Mr. Speaker, the committee decided, and I tends to practice, and there is an economy that will cause great think wisely, not to authorize the further construction of sub waste in the increase in the Navy. We will build these boats now marine boats at this time because of the fact that the Holland or we will build them hereafter under stress. The time is at hand boat was the one that they ~ought to insert in the Navy bill as it when the immense coast of this country from Maine to Texas must left the hands of our committee, and the Senate has placed the be defended by these boats or we must mobilize our battle ships Holland boat alone in the Sen a to amendment; so that if this amend for that purpose. ment is concurred in it will authorize the Secretary of the Navy I wish to say with respect to the gentleman's contention that we to construct the Holland boat, and it alone. are in the experimental stage with these boats, and that he wants In other words, the Senate amendment precludes competition. a universal competition, that thus far this proposition has been It shuts out all opposition. It restricts the Department to the exploited and settled many years ago. In 1888, under Secretary construction of the Holland submarine boat alone. There are Whitney, that splendid Secretary of the Navy who first inaugur various submarine boats in existence. There are various patents ated the development of the American Navy on its present lines and various appliances of that kind and character now. There had this action before him, and at that time invited propositions are many submarine boats in actual operation and actual use in for submarine boats, and two designs were submitted, one the this country. Why then shall we authorize the construction of Holland boat and one for the Nordenfeldt, the latter boat of high boats of the Holland type alone? Why not throw it open to com est development of any submarine boat in Europe at that time. petition if we must have them? Why not give other patentees Both designs were carefully considered by the board of naval offi and other systems and other inventions an opportunity, and then cers, and this board were uoonimous in recommending the Ameri determine what is best? Let them contend with other construc can Holland boat. tions and other inventions and let the Secretary of the Navy test In 1889 proposals were again invited and three competitors en them all and try them all before authorizing the construction of tered, and the board again accepted the Holland boat. any. In 1893, Congress having made an appropriation March 3 for the In the next place, we authorized, at the last session of Congress, purchase of a submarine boat, this time the designs were sub seven submarine boats of the Holland type. Before that time we mitted by Marcus Ruttenburg, Simon Lake, Cowles Engineering owned one. We have sev-en more under construction at this time. Company, Clarence C. Schmedz, Jon Ambrose, Albert Bosshard, The entire matter is now in an experimental stage, and there only. 0. Brubaker, John R. Forbes, George C. Baker, and the Holland Therefore is it wise that we should now authorize more sub design. Again the Holland boat received the favorable verdict of marine boats before those we have already authorized have been the board over all her competitors, and a contract was entered into constructed, before they have been completed, while the whole with the Holland Company. matter is yet in an experimental stage, before we know the utility It might be said here that every crank in this country has un and practical value of ships of this character? Would it not be dertaken to build a submarine boat who has any tendency in that much wiser on the part of this House to wait until we have con direction. Shall we wait for the gentleman from Connecticut, structed, completed, and tested the seven boats we have already who proposed the Argonaut~ for his firm to perfect a design to be authorized before we vote for authorization along this line? presented in competition with the Holland, when it was tried and Mr. Speaker, I undertake to say that there are other submarine rejected twelve years ago, and repeatedly since? boats that should be tested; but whether that be true or not, I be The question is whether we shall accept now that which has lieve it to be the part of wisdom on the part of this House to wait been indorsed by a large number of the ablest men in the United until the seven boats which have already been authorized shall States Navy, or shall we accept the ipse dixit of a divided con have been completed and tested before there is any further au struction board? Mr. Speaker, the question in contention here thorization of vessels of this character. is one between members of that board and the ablest men on the The French alone have been experimenting with submarine fighting line of the United States Navy. boats. Practically all the other nations of the world have aban Mr. STEELE. Why does the gentleman say that in view of the doned experimenting with them. The French alone have been fact that we have already two and have contracted for six more? testing submarine boats, and the French nation has abandoned the How does the question arise in this case~ Where would you limit Holland boat and is to-day experimenting with ships of a differ it? Would you buy 40 on the same ground? · ent character and designed by different inventors altogether. Mr. HAWLEY. This only provides for three. Therefore I do not deem it wis&, and the Naval Committee of the Mr. STEELE. There is a provision in the bill for six more. House did not deem it wise, and I do not now, even after the Sen Mr. HAWLEY. No; there 'is no provision in the bill"of that ates action, deem it wise that we should construct these boats kind. alone, authorize boats of this type alone, to the exclusion of all Mr. STEELE. We have contracted for seven already. others that may be superior in merit and have greater demands Mr. HAWLEY. Very well, the time will come when we shall on the intelligence of the House. contract for 60. In the next place, Mr. Speaker, this House at this session re MI·. STEELE. Why not make it 60 now? fused to authorize the construction of battle ships and cruisers. .Mr. HAWLEY. Mr. Speaker,:the men who approve of the sub We overturned the former action of the House and concurred in marine boats represent the foremost figures in the American Navy, the Senate amendment. We refused to authorize battle ships and Admiral Dewey, Commander Folger, Chief Constructor of the cruisers, and why then should we authorize submarine boats? Navy Hichborn, Commander Wainwright, Commander Mason, We know what battle ships will do; they have been tested. We and Commander Kimball and Lieutenant Caldwell, and one of know what cruisers can do; they have been tried. If, then, we the great naval architects of the world, Lewis Nixon, give their refuse to authorize the construction of ships of this character, unreserved indorsement of this boat. And in this ablecompanyi that constitute the very bone and sinew of our Navy, why should am entii·ely willing to be judged. we go to something that is yet in the experimental stage, that has Mr. V ANDIVE~. Let me make this suggestion. This is the not been tested or tried, and the value of which is denied by the only one of the many submarine boats that has so fully demon Navy Department? Why should we fly from the real in order to strated its usefulness as to receive the approval of the Navy De- embrace the imaginary't Under all these circumstances I deem partment of any government on earth. . it wise, and the committee deems it wise, that we should not con- Mr. HAWLEY. Yes; not only is that so, but to-day I am 1901. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3171 reliably informed that the English Government is having this boat bottom of the ocean; that will open at the side and allow men to built at a higher price than this company proposes to charge the go out and dismantle wrecks and secure the valuables therein a!ld American Government. Mr. Speaker, as there are a number of bring them in, not. boats that are being simply s~bmitted to Con gentlemen who want to talk on this subject, I reserve the balance gress under the influence and strength of a strong lobby to secure of my time. $70,000 apiece for ships when they can be built for $50,000 to The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. BOUTELL of lllinois). The $75,000. gentleman has three minutes remaining. That is the character of the proposition I am bringing before Mr. HAWLEY. Does the Chair mean that I have occupied the House. I am not asking that these gentlemen have any favors twelve minutes? shown to them, but only that when this Government is in need of The SPEAKER pro tempore. No; but the gentleman has three supplies the matter shall be thrown open to public competition. minutes of his own time and the gentleman from New York [Mr. If these gentlemen can not meet the requirements, they will sim CUMMINGS] has the remainder of the time, which is six minutes; ply withdraw; if they can meet the requirements, they will put there are nine minutes altogether. in their bid. MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE, Mr. HAWLEY. They have been before the board three times • . A message from the Senate, by Mr. CUNNINGHAM, one of its Mr. HILL. I decline to yield. I have but a few moments. I clerks, announced that the Eenate had passed joint resolution of ask the plivilege of printing in the RECORD two documents, one the following title; in which the concurrence of the House was submitted to the Committee on Naval Affairs by the Lake Sub· requested: marine Company and the other from that company calling atten S. R. 164. Joint resolution giving the Commissioners of the tion to the various styles of architecture for submarine boats. District of Columbia authority to provide for the public comfort. This is a plain proposition. The gentlemen who desire the con The message also announced that the Senate had passed with tract for the Holland type of submarine boats come here asking amendments bill of the following title; in which the concurrence that, in violation of the request of the Secretary of the Navy, in of the Honse was requested: violation of the report of the Construction Bureau, we arbitrarily H. R. 13865. An act relative to the suit inatituted for the pro compel the Department to buy something which the Department tection of the interests of the United States in the Potomac River says it does not want, and which, as the amendment admits, has Flats. not yet been tested. The proposition is based on only one condi NAVAL APPROPRIATION BILL. tion-if one boat should be satisfactory, then the Government is to Mr. DAYTON. Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether I shall buy more. want to occupy the full amount of my time, but I want to yield A MEMBER. Buy all. now eight minutes to the gentleman from Connecticut [Mr. Mr. HILL. Yes, buy all; and bar out every other party that HILL]. may wish to come in and make a bid. If I had time I would read Mr. HILL. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Texasarguedthat these letters. I ask to insert them in the RECORD as part of my we ought not to throw this contract open to public competition remarks. because every" crank" in the United States is making an effort The SPEAKER pro tempore submitted the request, and there to meet the requirements of the Government in this matter. The was no objection. gentlemen whom I represent are constituents of mine. I do not The letters are as follows: know Mr. Lake, the president of this company, except as I have The CHAIRMAN COMMITTEE ON NAVAL AFFAIRS. spoken to him probably for five or six minutes. I do know some DEAR SIR: I understand there 1s a bill before the House to build addi tional submarine boats, in which a special type is named, notwithstanding of the other gentlemen who constitute this company and who ask that the Board on Construction and the Secretary of the Navy recommend the privilege of making an American bid for American ships. that "if additional submarine boats are to be built no particular type be The proposition of the gentleman from Texas is that this matter designated," thus opening up competition, in which the Government may be closed up, and that in violation of the wish of the Secretary of the obtain the best type obtainable. As a builder of these submarine boats, and one who has spent many years Navy, in violation of the recommendation of the board which has in the study and development of submarine boats, the company which I rep had this matter under consideration, this contract be arbitrarily resent would like to have the privilege of bidding on such craft, believing it awarded to a specified company. The gentleman speaks of would accrue to the great advantage of the Government if we were allowed to do so, and from which at present we are debarred by legislation in favor "cranks." It may be that the gentlemen who constitute this of one company. company are ''cranks," but they certainly are more expert in The following letter from the Secretary of the Navy will explain itself: building ships than in building lobbies. They come here asking NAVY DEPARTMENT, only the privilege-- ~ Washington, January tB, 1901. Mr. WM. ALDEN SMITH. I think the gentleman from Con SIR: Replying to your letter of the 22d instant, statinO' that yon under necticut [Mr. HILL] misunderstands the situation. The Navy stand there is a proposition before Congress to build add'itional submarine 18 9 torpedo boats, and asking to be informed as to the proper method to get the Department in advertised for bids for the construction of merits of your tn>e of vessel considered, I have to inform you that the submarine boats, believing these to be an effective implement of board of constructiOn, to which your letter was r eferred, r eports as follows: naval warfare. A number of bids were made. Again in 1894 the " So far as known to the board of construction there is no proposition be fore Congre~s to build additional submarine torpedo boats, nor is there now Department advertised for bids, and very few were submitted. any appropriation for conducting experiments with such boats. Finally, against competition, and because this seemed to be the ",The board has not sufficient data concerning the Lake submarine boat to best weapon, the Department ordered this boat. That is all there express an intelligent opinion as to its probable efficiency. is about the matter. "Should there be an appropriation for submarine boats, in which no special type is designated, the question of the Lake submarine boat could then be Mr. HILL. I do not think I misunderstand this situation; and considered." in order that the Honse may not misunderstand it I will read the In view of the foregoing report the Department is unable to give consid conclusion of the board of construction. eration at the present time to the question of experiments with your boat. However, should Congress make an appropriation for submarine boats in Mr. WM. ALDEN SMITH. What is the date? which no special type is designated, the availability of your type of sub Mr. HILL. It is from theNewYorkSnn, under the date of Janu marine boat will be given consideration. ary 5, 1901. Very respectfully, JNO. D. LONG, In conclusion, the board has this to say: Should Congress see fit to author Secreta111. ize any more submarine boats, the board is of the o:oinion that no special type Mr. SIMON LAKE, should be specified, but that the Secretary of the Navy should have discre President the Lake Subma1ine Company, tion to contract for such boats as are in his judgment most likely to prove Bowling G'reen Building, Bo. 11 Broadway, New York. most efficient and the best suited for naval purposes, thus opening up com From the above letter it will be observed that the Navy Department is petition and giving other inventors a. chance. ~ot s~fficiently ~amiliar ~th my type of v~ssel "to enable it to express an Mr. DAYTON. The gentleman will allow me to say that that m~elJ!gcJ?.t op1mo_n as ~o Its pro~ble effi~Iency-;" and also that if an appro pnatwn IS made m wh1ch no special type Is designated th~.> Availability of my is the recommendation of the Board of Construction for the pres~ type will be given consideration. On behalf of the company which I repre ent year. sent I will say: We are not asking for an a:ppropriation at this time to build these boats. All we want is an investigation of the merits of our type of Mr. HILL. Certainly. That is the latest and the official state vessel, and for which our company is willing to provide the boat and all ex ment of the Navy Department upon this question. penses connected with our end of the necessary experiments. But it appears I have further reports, copied from theNew York Tribune, criti from the Secretary's letter that the Government can not at the present time cising the various vessels. I have here a statement of the com investigate it, because there is no appropriation that would permit them to do so. petitive trials made by foreign nations, as well as the United As to the merits of our vessel, will say our boat, the .Argonaut, bas been States, showing the speed of these vessels on the surface, as well forty-eight hours on one continuous voyage at sea, part of that time during as their submarine speed. a storm. Ours is the only submarine vessel that has ever traveled on the bottom of the ocean. During the Spanish-American war the .Argonaut en I am not presenting any new proposition. The gentlemen who tered Hampton Roads in the night when the Road was patrolled. Dnrina constitute the Lake Submarine Company are gentlemen of respect this time the country was in dread of the Spanish fleet, and, notwithstanding ability- Mr. Skidmore, of the Skidmore Iron Works, of Bridge the fact that the searchlights on Fortress Monroe were playing all night, we port, Conn.; Mr. Ferris, himself a large shipowner of my State, were not discovered, althou~h we finally anchored within one-eighth of a ~ile of the mines and rem!illled there in a partly submerged condition all and other gentlemen of like character, who have put their money mght. We have the capacity (not possessed by other types) of destroying into this company; who are not carrying on an experiment, but cables and submarine mines, and have actually picked them up from the bot tom. We claim for our type greater speed and seaworthiness, and greater are actually building the boats to-day for commercial use-boats stability and efficiency in every respect, than that obtainable by any other that will go to the bottom of the ocean; that will traverse the type of submarine vessel. We have made long, continuous voyages under 3172 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, water; we have bad 28 people submerged in onr vessel for a period of four Mr. HILL. The proposition is that we shall buy these boats hours at one time, during which time a. meal was prepared and served, two houra of which time we had no communication with the surface. Our type whether the Department wants them or not. The Navy Depart~ of vessel is also capable of making sea. voyages to foreign countries. ment is against this proposition; the Bureau of Construction is We claim the ability to remain submerged for weeks at a time, if neces against it, and the Secretary of the Navy has officially declared sary, and to travel accurate courses while subm~rged. I am aware tha.t some of above claims will probably be denied by people himself against it in his report: Yet it is proposed to force this who know nothing of what our years of experiments have developed, but all contract upon the Government and to limit the work to one party. we ask is an investigation, and for which we are willing to bear our portion This is not in accordance with American methods; it is not in of the expense. accord with our way of doing things. Yours, very respectfully, ----. All I ask in the amendment which I have submitted is that this NEW YoRK, January 1H, 1901. matter shall be left discretionary with the Secretary of the Navy DEAR Srn: It is reported that there is to be a bill presented before Con and that if he should think it wise to purchase any of these boats gress authorizing the purchase of additional submarine boats for the United States Navy. If this is true I would like to have an opportunity of submit the matter shall be thrown open to public competition, he himself ting l?lans for supplying some of such craft. I have been in the submarine specifying the design and character of the boats to be built. We boat ousiness for a number of years, and the A1·gonaut is well known as be ask nothing more; and it seems to me that in sound business judg· ing one of the most successful submarine boats ever built. Of course she is not a submarine torpedo boat; she has been built for commercial purposes; ment we should not be content with anything less. but vessels of her type are equally well adapted for torpedo boats. They I yield back the balance of my time. [Applause.] would o:o.Jy need to be fitted with torpedo tubes and storage batteries to Mr. DAYTON. Mr. Speaker, I insist that gentlemen on the make them independent of surface connections. I submitted plans to the other side should now exhaust their time, after which I will yield Secretary of the Navy in 1893 for such a vessel, but as I was not familiar with the proper methods of presenting a bid for naval work I was disqualified, al- to a gentleman to close the debate. - though afterwards I was informed by some high authorities in Washington Mr. CUMMINGS. I insist that if the gentleman is to give out that my plans were considered the most practiCal of any presented. further time on his side before he. closes, he should give it out now. I finally received a letter from the Secretary of the Navy, returning my plans and stating that as my plans were not in aceordance with the regula Mr. DAYTON. I do not propose to close the debate, but as soon tions tbey could not be considered in the competition, this notwithstanding as you shall exhaust your time, I propose to yield to the gentleman the fact that the circular requesting inventors to submit proposals distinctly from Illinois [1\fr. CA~'NON] the remainder of the time that he may stated that even if the plans submitted were informal they would be taken into consideration. Fortunately my type of vessel was equalty as well close the debate. I have already spoken on this question and do adapted for commercial purpose as for war. I therefore devoted my atten not wish to speak further, but I ask unanimous consent to extend tion to that branch of the business. As you are aware, Congress in 1893 ap my remarks in the RECORD and insert a large amount of material propriated~,()()() for the purpose of developing the ideas of anot.herinventor, and a contract was made for building a vessel of that type, which vessel is touching this matter that may be of interest to members of the still uncompleted. Since that iime the Government has purchased another House. vessel of the same type, and has authorized th3 building of six more. Mr. CUMMINGS. I object to that. In 1897 the Argonaut was completed and experimented with in the Chesa peake Bay and on the Atlantic coast, and was the first entirely successful Mr. DAYTON. Very well. I do not care about it particularly. boat eYer btlilt. At that time she was only 36 feet long, yet some naval of 1\Ir. HILL. I ask unanimous consent to insert in the RECORD fleers who were on board while she was at Hampton Roads, Virginia, during a table of speeds and comparative tests of results with various the Spanish-American war, said she would have proven invaluable in cutting cables and destroying the mine defenses along the coast and at Santiago, boats in Europe and America. even in her condition at that time. At that time I again tried to interest the Mr. HAWLEY. I object. Government in my type of vessel, but owing to my inexperience in that Mr. HILL. I should think you would. line, I did not succeed in getting a hearing. The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. BOUTELL of illinois). The F ow, however, in view of the fact that there has already been appropriated over Sl,OOO,OOO for experimenting with another ty-pe of vessel, I think it will gentleman from New York [Mr. CUMMINGS] is recognized for six be to the advantage of the Government if the merits of other types should be minutes. considered. I send under another cover a pamphlet descriptive of my style Mr. CUMMINGS. I yield five minutes to the gentleman from of submarine boat, the .A1·gonaut, which will give you some information a.q to what I have accomplished. This pamphlet only relates to the commercial Michigan rMr. WM. ALDEN SMITH]. features of her type of vessel, but I have in preparation another pamphlet Mr. WM. ALDEN SM[TH. Mr. Speaker, I have usually-in which relates directly to the use of this type of vessel for naval purposes, fact, I might say always-taken pride in following the recom~ which will be ready in a few days. I read a. paper before the Naval Militia in New York some time ago and mendation of the Committee on Naval Affairs. illustrated the method of defending our coast and harbors by the use of sub Mr. STEELE. Do not break your record now. marine vessels of the Argonaut type, and invited cri ticismil· there were also a Mr. WM. ALDEN SMITH. I would notbreakmyrecordnow, number of the regular naval officers present; but they a said there was no criticism to make; they believed there was no method known to naval science as the gentleman from Indiana [¥r. STEELE] intimates I ought that could compete with vessels of the A1·gonaut type when fitted with stor not to do, were it not for the fact that the Committee on Naval age batteries and whitehead torpedoes. Affairs have reversecl their own position. In the last Congress Lieutenant Commander Kimball told me when in Baltimore be believed they unanimously reported a measure in favor of the purchase of a vessel of the Argonaut type could enter any harbor in the world and de stroy their mine defenses. .Admiral Hichborn, in a. recent article in the submarine boats. Engineering Magazine, said: "The Lake boat gives good promise of effi Mr. DAYTON. I hope the gentleman will permit me to correct ciency." "A boat of her type fitted with a true submarine motor might be that impression in the House. The committee never reported a very valuable in the attack of a mine field." The A1·gonauttype of vessel haa numerous advantages o>er previous or existing types of submarine vessels, provision in favor of these boats. The provision came over from which are protected by numerous fundamental patents and can not be em the Senate committee just like it has now. bodied in other vessels without infringement. Its characteristic features are: Mr. WM. ALDEN SMITH. And yon accepted it. First. Automatically maintaining the trim of the vessel while submerged. Second. Automatically regulating the depth of submergence. 1\Ir. DAYTON. The conferees accepted it like they do many Third. Ability to steer long and correct courses when submerged, with other objectionable provisions. out the necessity of frequently coming to the surface to correct the same. Mr. HAWLEY. Did not you vote for it in conference? Fourth. Means for communicating with the shore or another submarine or surface vessel while on picket duty. Mr. DAYTON. I voted for it in the final conference because Fifth. Means whereby divers may readily)eave and reenter the boat while it was insisted on, and not otherwise. submerged, no water entering the boat while the door is open. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Michjgan is Sixth. .Ability to guide the vessel toward or away from an enemy while submerged, without exposure of position. entitled to the floor. Seventh. Ability to cut and destroy cables and mine defenses. .Mr. W.M. ALDEN SMITH. I reassert what I stated a moment Eighth. Means for traveling either on the surface, awash, submerged at ago-that the Committee on Naval Affairs have reversed them~ any predetermined depth, or on the bottom. Nmth. Means for recharging the batteries while submerged. selves. Now, I am of the opinion that it is wise for this Govern~ •renth. The ability to: travel submerged and at the same time receive an ment to adopt such implements for naval defense as our best abundance of pure a]r in its natural condition. authority maintains would be proper and right. I have gone Eleventh. Seaworthiness. ~ Vessels of her type are more seaworthy than purely surface boats and are as capable of making long voyages; the super over every line of the testimony taken by the Committee on Naval structure affords sufficient fuel storage capacity, and also provides a deck, Affairs, and I find that one of the best men that ever sat at the which is a very desirable thing for long crUISes. head of the Bureau of Construction-Admiral Hichborn, who Twelfth. Her type affords sufficient and comfortable crews' quarters. only ceased active duties yestf)rday and retires on the 4th of (See page 15 of pamphlet, when a party of twenty-eight were entertained below the surface.) March-has commended this submarine boat in the highest terms. Thirteenth. The type is adaptable for being utilized as tenders to cruisers Listen to his testimony, and then let the Committee on Naval or battle ships, for harbor or coast defense purposes, or for submarine Affairs critic-ise this latest and most effective weapon of naval cruisers or gunboats for offensive purposes in foreign waters. Fourteenth. Provision for the escape of the crew in case of total disable warfare. The 1st of December, 1900, Admiral Hichborn mads ment of the vessel. In addition to the above especial features, the boats have this statement in a formal report to the Navy Department with all the advantages possessed by other submarine craft, as all the more im reference to the Holland submarine boat: portant boats of recent years have been simply combinations of old princi ples, known and described years ago, and are not, as is the Argonaut type, The last year has brought to fruition the experimental work, covering a protected by broad or basic patents. A list of these patents will be found on considerable period, and has demonstrated the practicability of the sub· page 27 of the pamphlet. marine boat. The vessel which the Department recently acquired has shown I have at present plans, and in pre~ation others, for submarine. torpedo herself capable of such perfect control in the vertical plane that she may be boats of the Argonaut type, which will be ready to submit to the naval au kept within a few inches of any desired depth while moving, or brought to thorities at an early day. the surface and taken under again in a very short time; her direction and I shall be glad to answer any questions that you may desire to ask upon control in the horizontal plane on the surface is effected with the same this subject, either by correspondence or by personal interview, as may be facility as any other craft, and submerged is limited only by the difficulties your IJJeasure. · of visi.on; her crew are provided for on board with reasonable comfort and Yours, respectfully, perfect safety for such periods as she may be in service, and workin~ eithe~ SIMON LAKE. upon the surface or submerged; and her armament, consisting entirely of Hon. JA.m:s :ij. YOUNG, Washington D. 0. torpedoes, gives her great offensive power. 1901. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HOUSE. 3173 In spite of the unsuitableness of the forms of power generators at present herself, without convoy, at a distance of 'i miles out from the mouth of the a-vailsble for a vessel running both on the surface and submerged there is harbor and with the naval crew alone in her." attained, under both conditions. a speed which, while not all that is desirable, will make the vessel capable of efficient service as an element for coast de Also, letter of Admiral Dewey, Senate Document No. 122: fense. Of the possibilities in the application of efficient submarine vessels to OFFICE OF TBE ADMIRAL, Washington, D. C., January 18, 1901. coast-defense work it is not necessary to speak; nor is it necessary to do more DEAR Sm: I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your communi than mention the economy of men and money in this form of defensive prep cation of even date, with inclosures, relative to the Holland submarine boat, aration and the moral effect upon an enemy which will come from a knowl and particularly to an amendment which you propose to offer to the pending edge that we possess and are employing for coast and harbor defense \es&>ls naval appropriation bill providing for the construction by contract of 7 ad of so great possibilities. At least one European nation having a considerable d!tional boats of this type. c.oast line to defend has entered seriously upon the construction of submarine Replyin~ to the first of the questions which you propound. viz, whether vessels, and has in hand or projected a considerable number of this class of or not, in VJew of the favorable reports made byofficersof the Navy upon the vessel. U.S. S. Holland since she has been in possession of the Go•ernment, I agree Experience has shown that the appearance of any particular type of fight with those officers as to the great value of this typo of boat for harbor and ing craft in sufficient numbers to make its possibilities a factor to be consid coast defense. I have to state that I do, and that my opinion as to its value has ered forces modifications in types previously existing. That this should be not changed since my testimony before the H1•nse Committee on Naval Affairs particularly the case with submarine vessels there is every r eao;on to believe, in April last~ and there can be little doubt that to the first nation in the field with the new Referring to your second question, asking if I entertain the same views type will accrue not only the advantages which will come from the posses ion with regard to an appropriation for 7 additional submarine boats during this of efficient vessels of this type, but the additional advantage in savin~ in cost session. as does Rear-Admiral Hichborn, who recommends that the Govern which will result from an early understanding of the new type and the modi ment sha.ll continue the construction of the Holland boats, I have to st3.te fications which its introduction will force in existing types. that the Secretary of the Navy having, in a letter to tho chairman of the House Committee on Naval Affairs under date of the 9th instant, set forth What becomes of the statement of the acting chairman of the the policy of the Department concerning the construction of additional sub Committee on Naval Affairs that it is a dangerous boat? It is marine boats at this time, it would, in my judgment, be unbecoming in me to dangerous to the enemy, but we find Admiral Hichborn says her express a different opinion. crew can ride her in perfect safety. Veryrespec~ully, GEORGE DEWEY, Admiral, United States 1\Taty. Mr. DAYTON. Yon quote one; I quote four, O'Neil, Melville, Hon. WILLIAM M. STEWART, Bradford, and Woodward. United States Se~Late, Washington, D. C. Mr. W M. ALDEN SMITH. Only yesterday Admiral Hichborn Statement of Admiral George Dewey, April3, 1900: received the highest commendatory letter that the Department of Admiral Dewey said: the Navy has given to any of its chief naval constructors, and he "Gentlemen: I saw the operation of the boat down off Mount Vernon the other day. Seve1'al members of this committee were there. I think we were is commended to-day by the press over the country for his skill in all very much impressed with its P.erformance. My aid, Lieutenant Cald superintending and directing the construction of some of our best well, was on board. He could tell, If necessary, what was done from the in and most powerful ships of war. What does he say about the side. The boat did everything that the owners proposed to do. And I said price of this boat? He says it is reasonable considering the deli then. and I have said it since, that if they had had two of those things in Manila I never could have held it with the squadron I had. The moral ef cate character of her mechanism and the work performed. The fect-to my mind it is infinitely superior to mines or torpedoes or anything laborer ia worthy of his hire. Admiral Hichborn says: ".The Hol of the kind. With those craft moving under water it would wear people out. land to-day is an improvement on anything that has ever been With two of those in Galveston all the navies of the world could not block built in the history of the world." This is the most formidable ade that place." naval weapon of which the world has any knowledge. Why not And the following from Lieutenant Caldwell~ commander of the let this Government avail itself of it? The Committee on Naval Holland, contained in Senate Document No. 115: Affairs authorized the purchase of five or six last year at an ex Letter j1·om Lieut. Harry H. Caldtoell, U.S.N., commanding submarine tmpedo pense of $170,000, and yet one of the Committee on Naval Affairs boat Holland. comes here to-day and has the audacity to tell this Congress sit;.. U.S. S. HoLLAND, Navy-Yard, Norfolk, Va., Januaty 12, 1901. DEAR SIR: ReplPD:g to your letter of the lith instant, I take pleasure in ting in solemn session that these boats can be bought for $50,000. answering vour questions as follows: The great Naval Constructor Hichborn does not take this view, 1. Q. How long have you commanded the Holland? and the Navy Department does not indorse it. A. The HoUand has bee;t under m~ charge ~r~m June 25, 1900, to the pres ent time. She was formally placed m com.nussion under my command on Mr. BUTLER. Will the gentleman allow me to ask him a October 12,1900. question? z. Q. What is the longest submerged run you ha-ve made in her? Mr. WM. ALDEN SMITH. I can not yield. I have only a few A. About lt miles. 3. Q. Do you consider her durable, habitable, and reliable as a vessel of minutes. war for coast and harbor defense? The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Michigan A. Yes. declines to yield. 4. Q. Commander Ma-son,- of the torpedo station, says in a report to the Secretary: ' During the late combined maneuvers of t.he fleet, shore defenses, Mr. WM. ALDEN SMITH. The Admiral says that this sub and the torpedo flotilla the Holland made a successful attack upon the fleet at marine boat is the most effective boat that has been devised, and night by herseH, without convoy, at a distance of7 miles out from the month that one shot from the·Holland would destroy the most powerfuJ of the harbor and with the naval crew alone in her." Did you command the Holland upon this occasion? If so. describe how you made the attack and battle ship in the world. What do the Committee on Naval Affairs whether you considered it a success. say to that, and to the following evidence of the efficiency of the A. The JJ.oUan d was under my command on the occasion mentioned. She Holland as a weapon of warfare, contained in Senate Document left the torpedo station at sundown and was placed in a partially submerged condition. with the turret and about 6 inches of the hull above water, ready No. 71: to dive at short notice. Cruised in thiscondition to southward and east Lieut. N~tthan Sargent, the commanding officer of the U.S. S. Scorpion, ward of Brentons Reef light-ship. Sighted two vessels of blockading fleet one of the blockading squadron at :Newport, says: and fired torpedo oirnal at t;hem, ~n~ w~ n ot answered, and they disap "The moral effect of an anticipated attack from the Holland submarine peared before I could ascertam the1r Identity. About 0 p. m., about 7 miles boat was great." south-southeast from harbor entrance, sighted U. 8. S. Kearsarge within Capt. William M. Folger {formerly Chief of Ordnance of the United States range and fued torpedo signal. Followed her and, getting within 100 yards Navy), commanding the U.S. battle ship Kearsarge, the flagship of the block without being discovered, showed light, hailed her, and informed her com ading squadron, says in his report: manding officer that she ~ad been torpedoed. The Holland was not seen by "It is clear that the Holland type will play a very serious part in future any vessel of the blockadmg fleet or torpedo boat, although she was within naval warfare. There is no doubt whatever that the vessel at Newport can torpedo range of three of the former and se-veral of the latter. I conRider approach a. turret ship unseen, either by night or day. Her only danger is that the attack was a success, because the Holland could, in all probability, she may be run over herself by picket or large vessel" have torpedoed three blockading vessels without being discovered. · Admiral Farquhar, the commander in chief of the North Atlantic Squad 5. Q. Please gi\e your opinion as to the value of the Holland as a coast and ron, which was blockading Newport, after witnessing the performances of harbor defense vessel. the Holland. states: A. I c.onsider her of very great value for that purpose. . "The Hollan..d impressed everyone with the idea that under ordinary cir 6. Q. Would you be willing to command her in case of war with a foreign cumstances she could always get in a torpedo either day or night without power that was blockading some of our ports and harbors; and if so, what do being discovered." you believe von could do with her toward breaking t.he blockade? The Holland arrived at Newport June 2i last, and Lieut. Harry H. Cald A. Yes. [believe that I could sink one or more vessels of a blockading well, of Admiral Dewey's staff, was assigned to command her. The annual :fleet or else make t!:tem k~ep SC? far away as to make the blockade ineffective. report of the commander of the torpedo station says, under date of Septem 7. Q. Do yon believe, With SIX of the Holland boats under your command ber 1.1900: having trained crews composed of American men and officered by men of "Up to the pr.esent date the boat has made 10 runs entirely under the con your own selection, that you could break a blockade of New York City made trol of the Navy crew." by 15 ships of war? If so, describe how you would do it. Under da.t.c of September 27last Lieutenant Caldwell makes a lengthy re . A. ~es. _By dir~ct night attacks, ap-p~oaching t_h~ fleet from different port. and, among other things, says: directwns m partially submerged condition and divmg when discovered. "She (the Holland) is in excellent condition. If the fleet kept underway, by lying in wait at different points of its course "There have been many minor accidents, but I think fewer than on the or accol!!panying a decoy blockade runner. ordinary torpedo boats." 8. Q. Would it not be a wise provision for the Government to build from Commander N. E. Mason, United States Navy, in charge of the torpedo five to ten of these Holland boats this year in addition to the seven now under station at NewpQrt, R. J., makes a lengthy report to the Department on the construction, and distribute tllem among our principal ports and harbors in workings of the Holland, under date of October llast. He says: case of war? "In my opinion the Holland bas been a grand success so far, and for some A. In my opinion, decidedly yes. time the naval crew have had entire charge of her, under command of Lien 9. Q. From your. experience in command of the Holland, can she go 10 miles tenant Caldwell, running and working her both night and day without the or more to sea and make a successful attack on the enemy's fleet by day or presence of any of the Holland e~erts. night?. "Having made several dives in the boat myself with the naval crew alone, A. By night, undoubtedly; by day, in all probability. I am of the opinion that they are competent m every way to maneuver and 10 Q. How is it proposed to take the HoUand back from Norfolk; and, if manipulate the boat successfully. unable to return under her own power. explain why? "During the late combined maneuvers of the fleet, shore defenses, and the A. I am not officially informed how the Navy Department proposes tore torpedo flotilla the Holland made a successful attack on the fleet a.t night by turn the Holland to Annapolis. She could .return under her own power, 3174 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 'FEBRUARY 27, thougn I should not consider it advisable, as her main motor is disabled through an armature bar being burned out, so that she can not back. She from high officers of the Navy, and not from the promoters of this made t he last 60 .miles of her voyage from Annapolis under this condition. invention, and feel that we should avail ourselves of this type of Very respectfully, ship at the lowest possible cost. H . H. CALDWELL, So I say it comes with ill grace from the Committee on Naval Lieutenant, U. 8. N., Commanding. Bon. R. B. B.A. WLEY, Affairs, after urging us to build six of them at an expense of Committee on Naval Affairs, House of Representatives. $170,000 apiece, to now walk in here a.ndsaythey have made a bad What does the committee say of this, as well as the unqualified bargain, when Admiral Dewey and other naval experts say we indorsement of Commander Richard w·ainwright, former com have not. For one I decline to follow such leadership. I prefer mander of the U.S. S. Gloucester? to follow the advice of Admiral Hichborn, Admiral Farquhar, I commend to the Naval Committee the letter of the Secretary Admiral Dewey, and Lieutenant Caldwell, who is placed in charge of the Navy addressed to you January 9, 1901, wherein he says: of the Holland. He says that with 5 of these ships he could The question with the Department is not so much the desirability of sub breaka blockadeofNewYork Harbor consisting of 15 battle ship~ marine boats. This may be r egarded as largely settled by the fact that one of any European government on earth. What bas come over the is now in commission and has given promise of great possible efficiency, and Committee on Naval Affairs? that seven more have bean authorized by act of Congress and are uow in process of construction, although like many other new inventions they can Are they afraid that if we inaugurate this policy that no more not be said to have entirely passed the experimental stage in respect to actual battle ships will be authorized and the opportunity for attractive servk e. display will become a thing of the past? Let us avail ourselves The quest ion with the Department is rather whether the construction of an additional number should be authorized until those now under construc of the genius of this American inventor, and carry out the recom tion are finished and their usefulness further assured. On this ground, ther e mendations of our most successful naval constructor. It. has bein.~r no pressing exigency for more, and especially in view of the large naval been tried. Admiral Hichborn says it has; that he has been in expenditures in hand and estimated for, the Department does not regard her, knows her mechanism and safety, and I prefer to take his further expenditure in this direction essential at this time. judgment rather than the judgment of men who have never The Senate amendment provides that the present appropriation been upon the Holland and do not know any of its workings or shall not be availab!e until the first boat now being constructed effectiveness. rLoud applause.] for the Government shall have been accepted by the Secretary of The SPEAKER pro tempore. The -time of the gentleman has the Navy. expired. The gentleman from New York has one minute remain But, Mr. Speaker, the opponents of the amendment urge that the ing. price is excessive. In answer to this your attention is called to Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, in reply to the gentleman extract from report of board on construction to Chairman Foss, from Connecticut, I want to say that in 18S8, under Secretary dated January 2, 1901: Whitney's administration, the Navy Department invited pro 10. As regards the cost of the present boats, namely, $170,000 each, the posals for submarine boats. Two designs were submitted, one for board is of the opinion that if the cost of construction, with a reasonable profit to the contractors, is alone considered, it is a very high price; but if a Holland boat, and one for the N ordenfeldt boat. The latter was the expenses of the company in developing the boat are taken into consid- the highest development of the submarine boat at that time. eration, the price is not excessive. · Both designs were carefully considered by a board of naval offi Also to the fact that the Dahlgren, 14.-3 tons, an ordinary type of cers. This board was unanimous in recommending the American, torpedo boat, cost for hull and machinery 8194,000. or Holland, boat. In 1889 proposals were again invited by the When the Secretary of the Navy purchased the Holland he com Navy Department for submarine boats. Three bids were received, pelled the Holland Company to enter into an agreement, which is one from George C. Baker, of Des Moines; one from M. P. Hayes, dated April11, 1900, and contained in Senate Document No. 321, of Virginia, and one from the Columbian Iron Works, of Balti Fifty-sixth Congress, first session. This agreement provides that more. the Holland Company should not charge more than $170,000 apiece The design submitted by the latter was the Holland boat. The for these boats, and leaves it to the discretion of the Secretary of Chief of Ordnance recommended that a contract for the Holland the Navy to pay as much less as he sees fit. The fact is that he boat be made with the Columbian Iron Works Company. On has already contracted for seven boats at $170,000 each. It would March 3, 1893, Congress made an appropriation for the purchase thus appear that he does not agree with Admiral Melville, who of a submarine boat. Designs were again advertised for by the says that the boats should cost not more than $50,000 or $60,000. Navy Department in May following. The designs submitted were But the gentleman from Connecticut [Mr. HILL] says competi those of Marcus Ruttenburg, Simon Lake-this was the boat tion is denied. He is mistaken. Competition has been allowed known as the Argonaut-the very boat which the gentleman from and this type selected. It is time to have competition when any Connecticut is now advertising-the Cowles Engineering Com new inventor builds a boat and complies with the requirements pany, Clarence B. Schnetz, Jon Ambrose, Albert Bosshard, 0. of the Navy Department. I like competition, but there can be no Brubaker, John R. Forbes, George C. Baker, and the Holland de competition with undeveloped ideas. signs. The Holland boat received the favorable verdict of the In 1889, proposals were invited by the Navy Department for board over all her competitors, and upon the recommendation of submarine boats, and this time three bids were received-from the board a contract was made with the Holland company. Geo. C. Baker, of Des Moines, Iowa; M.P. Hayes, of Virginia; and My friend from Connecticut need not deny this statement, for the Columbian Iron Works, of Baltimore, Md. The design sub all the facts are contained in the Report of the Bureau of Ord mitted by the Columbian Iron Works was the Holland boat. The nance for 1894, and were contained in the Annual Report of the competition was again deciaed in favor of the Holland boat, and Secretary of the Navy, 1 94-95, pages 306 to 350. it was recommended by the Chief of Ordnance that a contract for Thus there have been three competitions for submarine boats, the boat be entered into with tb.e company. and all resulted in favor of the Holland. Now, :Mr. Speaker, this Designs for submarine boats were again advertised for by the Board of Construction. to which the gentleman from Connecticut Navy Department iu May, 1893, Congress having made an appro has referred, is the same board that dTew up the requirements for priation March 3, 1893, for the purchase of a submarine boat. the pre ent Holland boat. The Board of 1nspection and Survey This time the designs submitted were as follows: Those of Marcus declared that this boat filled every requ irement, incl uding an ad Ruttenburg, Simon Lake, Cowles Engineering Company, Clarence ditional requirement made by the Secretary of the Navy. There B. Schnetz, Jon. Ambrose, Albert Bosshard, 0. Brubaker, John R. fore I say that this Board of Construction has had its dayin court Forbes, George C. Baker, and the Holland designs. and is estopped from coming in here at this ti me ami attempting Again the Holland boat received the favorable verdict of the to reopen the que tion again. board over all her competitors, and upon the recommendation of Now, 1\!r. Speaker all that the Senate asks is that in case these the board a contract ws.s entered into with the Holland Company additional submarine torpedo boats fulfi ll the req uirements and for the present submarine boat Plunger. act to the satisfaction of tha '-' e ~r eta r y, he shall-be authorized (According to the Report of Bureau of Ordnance for 1894, dated and directed to build three more of them. October 1, 1894, contained in Annual Report Secretary of theNavy Mr. OTEY. J\ir. Speaker-- for 189!-95, pp. 336 to 350.) · The SPEAKER pro tempore. For what purpose does the gen The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has tleman rise? expired. Mr. OTEY. I would like to submit a request for unanimous Mr. HAWLEY. I extend the gentleman the balance of my time. consent. Mr. WM. ALDEN SMITH. You can buy twenty of these sub The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. marine boats of this type for one-half what it will cost to Mr. DAYTON. I want to extend all courtesy,·but is that rela- build one battle ship; and I think we have reached that point, Mr. tive to this topic? Speaker, when we can afford to forego some of the pride of Mr. OTEY. Yes. offensive warfare and buy some implements that will defend our Mr. DAYTON. Is it to have som~thing printed in the RECORD? coast against possible danger. I am in favor of availing ourselves Mr. OTEY. Nothing at all. I just want about thirty-three of this privilege. I am not one of those who are in favor of driv seconds. ing the inventor, whose genius and skill invented these ships, to Mr. DAYTON. Then go on. European countries to be appreciated, as we have the inventions of Mr. OTEY. Mr. Speaker, there is no man living who knows Maxim, Hotchkiss, Gatling, and others. I take my information the opinion which I entertain on this question, and probably would 1901. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3175 not know after I got through; and I ask unanimous consent to alleged-and such, I am informed, is the truth-that the others address the House for ten minutes. cost far lesE~, so that he has had six or seven hundred thousand Mr. DAYTON. I am constrained to object to that. dollars clean profit. That iq enough, especially as we do not need Mr. OTElY. I will compromise on five minutes. the boats, and especially as the Secretary of the Navy says" No." The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman in charge of the Now, then, gentlemen may say that the Government can not bill is constrained to object. construct this boat. Yes it can. The Government, when there Mr. DAYTON. I yield twelve minutes to the gentleman from is an article that it desires to use, whether it is patented or not, Illinois (Mr. CANNON]. goes to work and uses it and constructs it, and the question of pay :Mr. CANNON. Mr. SpeakEJr, I have listened with attention to ment of damages comes afterwards. The Government is the only the gentlemen who have talked touching this proposition. I have entity that can do that. But, they say, keep it from going abroad. been confused by statements and counter statements. "I told Why, the gentleman from New York [Mr. CUMMINGS] informed you so, '' says one naval constructor; "you are mistaken," says an us the other day that there was a contract by this company for five other. So that, Mr. Speaker, I have been compelled to resort to of them abroad. I do not know whether he was fully informed the hearings before the Naval Committee and to inquire what is about it or not, but that was his statement. the recommendation of the Secreta1·y of the Navy, and to inquire I always look with disfavor upon legislation that ties the hands further, as there is a difference of opinion between the naval con of the Government and says there shall be no competition, but structors and the naval board, where the preponderance is. And that a contract shall be given to a certain concern to the exclusion also to inquire, in the light of these inquires, what is the necessity of all the balance of the world. I know, then, that you ought to for speed in this exact legislation at this time. I have no pride of be able to say that was the only thing in the world that could opinion about it. I would hardly know one of these submarine build this best thing in the world, and there was no other way to boats from an elephant if I were to see it. [Laughter.] So that do it. I know upon the merits you ought to be able to say that, I must resort to the hearings. and if you are not able to say that, then I would take it by the Now it seems to me this is the con NAYS-132. Mr. LITTAUER with 1\Ir, ROBERTSON of Louisiana. Alexander, Dayton, Lawrence, Rhea, Ky. Mr. EMERSON with Mr. LITTLE. Allen, Me. Driscoll, Lewis. Rixey, Bailey, Kans. Eddy, Littlefield, Roberts., Mr. CooPER of Wisconsin with Mr. LITTLE. Bailey, Tex. Esch. Long, Robinson, Ind. Until further notice: Barber Fordney, Loud, Russell, Mr. WATCHER with Mr. SMALL. Bell, 1 Gilbert, Lovering, Shafrot.h, Bishop, Gillet, N.Y. Lybrand, Shattuc,· Mr. FOWLER with Mr. BARTLETT, Boreing, Gordon, McCulloch. Shelden, 1\lr. BOUTELLE of Maine with Mr. BRADLEY, Boutell~ ill Graff, McDowell, Smith,m Mr. LANDIS with Mr. CLARK. Bowersock, Graham, McLain, Smith, Iowa Brantley, Greene, Mass. McRae, Smith. Ky. Mr. WOODS with Mr. NOONAN, Breazeale, Griggs, Maddox, Smith, H. C. Mr. WATERS with Mr. THOMAS of North Carolina. Brenner, Grow, Mann, Smith, Samuel W. Mr. SHERMAN with Mr. DRIGGS. Brewer, Hamilton, Mercer, Southard, Bromwell, Haugen, Metcalf, Spalding, The result of the vote was announced as above stated. Brown, Hedge, Meyer, La. Spight, The SPEAKER. The question is now on the motion of the gen.. Brundidge, Hemenway, Miller, Sprague, tleman from Connecticut [Mr. HILL], that the House recede from Burke. S.Dak. Henry, Conn. Minor, Steele, its disagreement to amendment 89 and concur in the same with Burkett, Henry, Miss. Mondell, Stenhens~_!ex. Burton, Henry, Tex. Morgan, Stewart, w iB. an &mendment which will be read-. Cannon, H~p.burn, N aphen, Tate, The Clerk was proceeding to read the proposed amendment of Carmack, Hill Needham. Taylor, Ala. Mr. HILL, when Clayton, Ala. Howard, N ewlands, Thayer, Cochrane, N.Y. Hull, Otjen, Thomas, Iowa Mr. HILL said: Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to with· Connell, Jack, Overstreet, Tompkins, draw my amendment. In view of the present condition of the Conner, Jenkins, Payne, Turner, question, I do not think it necessary to take up the time of the Corliss, Johnston, Pearce, Mo. Van Voorhis, Cromer, Jones, Va. Powers, Wanger, House by a vote upon it. Crumpacker, Jones, Wash. Prince, Warner, The SPEAKER. Without objection, the amendment will be Cusack, Kahn, Pugh. Watson, withdrawn. Dahle, Kitchin Ransdell, Weaver, Dalzell, Knox, ' Ray, N.Y. Williams. Miss. There was no objection. Davenport, S.A. Lacey, Reeves, Wilson, S.C. The SPEAKER. The question is now on the motion of the ANSWERED "PRESENT"-8. gentleman from West Virginia, that the House further insist on its disagreement to the amendments of the Senate-- Cousins, Driggs, Riordan, Stewart, N. Y. Cowherd, Elliott, Ruppert, Zenor. Mr. DAYTON. And request a conference. NOT VOTING-94.. The motion was agreed to. The SPEAKER announced the appointment of Mr. Foss, Mr. Adams, Dick, Lane, Robertson, La. Babcock, Dinsmore, Lassiter, Rodenberg, DAYTON, and Mr. CuMMmGsas conferees on the part of the House. Ball, Emerson, Linney, Scudder, Barham, Faris, Littauer, Shackleford, POST-OFFICE APPROPRIA.TION BILL. Barney, Fitzpatrick, Little, Sherman, Bartlett, Fleming, Lorimer, Small, Mr. LOUD. Mr. Speaker, I desire to call up the conference re Benton, Fletcher, McCleary, Sperry, port on the Post-Office appropriation bill. I ask unanimous con· Bingham, Foss, McDermott, Stallings, sent that the statement of the House conferees ba-read in lieu of Bon telle, Me. Fowler, Mahon, Stokes, Bradley, Fox, Marsh, Sulloway, the conference report, and that the latter be printed in the RECORD, Brick, Freer, . Mesick, Tayler, Ohio There was no objection. Burleigh, Gamble, Miers, Ind. 'rhomas, N. C. The report of the committee of conference is as follows: Burnett, Gardner, Mich. Moody, Mass. Thropp, Calderhead, Gardner, N.J. Mudd, Tongue, The committee of conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses Caldwell Gayle, Neville, Underhill, on the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 13729) making appropria Campbell, Gill, Noonan, Vreeland, tions for the service of the Post-Office Department for the fiscal year ending Catchings, Gillett, Mass. Norton, S. C. Wachter, June 30, 1902, and for other purposes, having met, after full and free confer Chanler. Hall, O'Grady, Watere, ence have agreed to recommend and do recommend to their respective Houses Cooper, Wis. Hitt, Packer, Pa. Weeks, as follows: Cox, Hoffecker, Parker, N. J. Wheeler, That the Senate recede from its amendments numbered 7, 9, and 10. Crowley, Hopkins, Pearson, Wilson, Idaho That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendments of the Crump, Joy, Phillips, Woods. Senate numbered 1, 4, 5, 6, and 8; and agree to the same. Curtis, Kerr, Ohio Reeder, That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendment of the Richardson, Ala. Senate numbered D, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: Davidson, King, Strike out all of amendment numbered ll,lines 19,00, and 2l,page 2,:md lines So the motion was rejected. I, 2, 3, and 4, page 3, of said amendments and insert in lieu thereof: The following pairs were announced: "When any publication has been accorded second-class mail privileges the same shall not be suspended or annulled untilahearingshall have been granted For the 27th and 28th: to the parties interested." Mr. TAYLER of Ohio with Mr. CAMPBELL, And the Senate agree to the same. For this day: As to amendments numbered 2 and 3 the conferees are unable to agree. E. F. LOUD, Mr. Foss with Mr. UNDERHILL. GEORGE W. SMITH. Mr. PARKER of New Jersey with Mr:ELLIOTT. CLAUDE A. SWANSON, Mr. CRUMP with Mr. CATCHINGS. Managers on the part of the House. Mr. LORIMER with Mr. BURNETT. E.O. WOLCOTT, WILLIAM E. CHANDLER Mr. O'GRADY with Mr. RUPPERT. MARION BUTLER, . ' Mr. BRICK with Mr. ZE..~OR. Managers on the part of the Senate. Mr. LANE with .Mr. SHACKLEFORD. Mr. GILL with .Mr. Fox. The statement of the House conferees was read, as follows: Mr. BINGHAM with Mr. RICHARDSON of Alabama. The managers on the part of the Honse of the conference on the disagree ing votes of the two Houses on thE:> amendments of the Senate to the bill Mr. McCLEARY with Mr. CoWHERD. · (H. R. 13729) making appropriations for the service of the Post-Office DeP.art Mr. STEWART of New York with Mr. RIORDAN. ment for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1902, submit the following wr1tten statement in eXJ}lanationof the effect of the action agreed upon in the accom Mr. REEDER with Mr. WILSON of Idaho. panying conference report on each of the Senate amendments, namely: .Mr. PHILLIPS with Mr. CHANLER. The Senate made 11 amendments to the bill, involving an increase of Mr. GARDNER of Michigan with Mr. FITZPATRICK. S24,400. Mr. DAVIDSON with Mr. LASSITER. · By the action of the conferees, submitted in the accompanying report, the House recedes on no amendments involving an increase of appropriation. Mr. FARIS with Mr. McDERMOTT. The Senate recedes on one amendment involving an increase of $4,400. Mr. WEEKS with Mr. STALLINGS. The effect of the action of the conferees on amendment No.1 is to permit .Mr. MooDY of Massachusetts with Mr. STOKES. the purchase of canceling machineR as well as their rental. On amendments Nos. 4, 5, and 6 the Honse conferees recede. These Mr. MESICK with Mr. SCUDDER. amendments require the transmission of mail equipment from depositories Mr. GILLETT of Massachusetts with Mr. NoRTON of South to the post-offices and depots of distribution by freight. Carolina. Amendment No.7: This amendment provided for the increase of the sal· aries of assistant superintendents Railway Mail Service from $1,600 to $1,800 For this vote: per annum, and the Senate receded. Mr. HEMENWAY with Mr. BENTON. Amendment No.8 strikes out the words" in charge of lines," and the House Mr. BABCOCK with Mr. BALL. recedes. Amendment No.9 increased the appropriation for RailwayMa.il Service in Mr. MUDD with Mr. CROWLEY. conformity with amendment No. 7, and the Senate receded. Mr. DICK with Mr. HALL. Amendment No. 10 provided that public libraries should be permitted to Mr.l\lAHoN with Mr. NEVn..LE. send books through the mails at third-class rate of postage, bearing library stamp and number, and the Senate-receded_, thePost-OfficeDepartmenthav Mr. HOPKINS with Mr. MIERS of Indiana. ing al.l'eady ruled that under existing la.w tney had that privilege. Mr. BURLEIGH with Mr. CALDWELL. Amendment numbered 11 provided that when a publication had been ac· Mr. ADAMS with Mr. FLEMING. corded second-class mail privtleges, the same should not be suspended or an Mr. Joy nulled except after a report made to the Postmaster-General, and a written with Mr. DINSMORE. decision of th.e Postmaster-General, after a hearing gran ted, secured thereon. Mr. BARNEY with Mr. GAYLE. The Honse receded with the following amendment: Strike out the para· Mr. CURTIS with Mr. Knm, graph, and in lieu thereof insert the following: "When any publication has 1901. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOTISE. 3177 been accorded second-class mail privileges, the same shall not be suspended the motion to suspend the rules until the sense of the House can or annulled until a hearing ahall have been granted to the parties interested." be taken upon my proposition to concur in this Sunday-closing On amendments numbered 2 and 3 the conference committee were unable to agree. amendment, whatever may be the best way of getting at it. E. F. LOUD. And upon that question, Mr. Speaker-- GEO. W. SMITH, The SPEAKER. If the gentleman from Vermont will permit. CLAUDE A. SWANSON, Managers on. the part of the House. If this motion to suspend the rules and nonconcur is voted down, the result will be that the bill will go to the Calendar of the Com Mr. LOUD. I move the adoption of the report. mittee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, and not be The report was adopted. before the House. Mr. LOUD. I now ask that the House insist on its disagree Mr. GROUT. I realize that, but can not help it. I am aware ment to the amendments of the Senate numbered 2 and i3, and of that result; and if ·the gentleman in charge of the bill and those agree to the conference asked by the Senate. interested in this measure will consent to let the House act on The motion was agreed to. this amendment separately, then I am content. I do not care The SPEAKER announced the appointment of Mr. LouD, Mr. when it is done. SMITH of illinois, and Mr. SwAl.'{SO:N as conferees on the pru:t of Mr. TAWNEY. Will the gentleman permit me to make a the House. statement? The proposition here is to suspend the rules, to non ST. LOUIS INTERNATIONAL EXPOSITION. concur, and agree to a conference. Now, you do not propose to Mr. TAWNEY. I ask unanimous consent to call up from the let the Honse agree on this question whether or not this exposi Speaker's table House bill No. 9829, with Senate amendments, tion shall be hermetically sealed. with the view to nonconcurring in those amendments, and agree Mr. GROUT. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent, if it be ing to the conference asked by the Senate. in order now, to make a motion to concur in this first amendment. The SPEAKER. The Senate amendments will be read. The SPEAKER. The gentleman is on his feet, and he can ask The Clerk proceeded to read the amendments of the Senate to unanimous consent. the bill (H. R. 9829) to provide for celebrating the one hundredth 1\ir. GROUT. Very well, Mr. Speaker, I make that request of anniversary of the purchase of the Louisiana territory by the the House now. United States by holding an international exhibition of arts, in .Mr. TAWNEY. What is the request? dustries, manufactures, and the products of the soil, mine, forest, The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Vermont asks unanimous and sea in the city of St. Louis, in the State of Missouri. consent for a division of the question, so that the first amendment Mr. GROU'r (before the reading of the amendments was con may be left out from the operation of the motion. cluded). Mr. Speaker, I believe the amendment now being read Mr. GROUT. So that a motion may be made t-o concur in the proposes to make an appropriation for the exposition at Charles first amendment. ton. S.C. The SPEAKER. Is there objection? The SPEAKER. This bill is what is known as the Louisiana Mr. TAWNEY. Mr. Speaker, I object to the request of the purchase bill; and the amendment known as the Charleston amend gentleman. ment is now being read. The SPEAKER. Objection is made. Mr. GROUT. That is a quite lengthy amendment, and I be- Mr. GROUT. Very well, then. Mr. Speaker, I am for voting lieve it is understood by the Honse generally. down this motion to suspend the rules and send the bill to confer The SPEAKER. It was read once before. ence, tecause if this motion prevails it will go straight to confer Mr. TAWNEY. Yes, sir. ence, and the House will have lost control of it for the present. I Mr. GROUT. I ask unanimous consent that the further read believe that if the Honse should be given an opportunity to vote ing of the amendments of the Senate be dispensed with. upon the question it would concur in the amendment. There was no objection. If it goes to conference, we have every reason to expect that a The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the consideration of the modified proposition will be the result of the conference report, bill? and then we would have to vote down the conference report in Mr. SIMS. I object. . order to reach the question at issue. The parliamentary situation Mr. TA WN.EY. I move to suspend the rules so as to nonconcur is such that if we concur in that amendment we must either vote in the amendments of the Senate and agree to the conference down this. motion to suspend the rules or vote down the confer asked by that body. ence report, and I propose to force a vote upon it now. The SPEAKER. Is there a second demanded on the motion to A MEMBER. What is the amendment? suspend the rules? Mr. GROUT. I will ask the Clerk to read the first amendment. Mr. GROUT. I call for a second. The Clerk read as follows: Mr. TAWNEY. I ask unanimous consent that a second be con Page 15, line 4, insert: sidered as ordered. "SEc. 25. That as a. condition precedent to the payment of this appropria There was no objection. tion the directors shall con tract to close the gates to visitors on Sundays dur- The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from ing the whole duration of the fair." · Minnesota [Mr. TAWNEY] and the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. Mr. GROUT. Now, Mr. Speaker, in support of this proposition GRoUT] to control the time allowed by the rules for debate on I want first to submit the protests of several religious organiza the motion to suspend the rules. tions which I have received withln the last two days from differ Mr. TAWNEY. I yield, thatthegentlemanfrom Vermont may ent parts of the country. Here they are: now proceed in his own time. The Presbyterian Ministers' Association of Washington and vicinity re- The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Minnesota reserves his spectfully and earnestly represent to the Congress of the United States time. . The gentleman from Vermont is entitled to the floor. that in conformity with the practically unanimous Christian sentiment of Mr. GROUT. Mr. Speaker, my object in demanding a second is the country, the gates of the coming St. Louis Exposition should be closed on the Lord's Day, commonly called Sunday, which under our laws is a dies non. to take the sense of the House upon the first amendment of the In evidence that such is the sentiment of the Presbyterian Church in the Senate. I want to submit a motion to concur in that amendment, United States of America, we call attention to the attached resdution, unani and thus dispense with sending it to conference. The amendment mously adopU:>d by our General Assembly at St. Louis in May, 1900: is "Resolved, That we respectfully request the United States Congress and all to which I refer known as the Sunday-closing amendment. The State legislatures to make no more appropriations for expositions to be held only way to get at this question under the motion to suspend the in this country without the proviso that such expositions shall be closed on rules is to vote down that motion and then take a vote of the House the Lord's Day." N. H. MILLER, President. on concurring in that amendment. Attest: Mr. PAYNE. How are you going to get the bill before the JAMES T. MARSHALL, House? Secretary. Mr. GROUT. It is before the House now. Indorsed by the Washington preachers' meeting of the Methodist Episco Mr. PAYNE. No, itisnot. The gentlemancannotaccomplish pal Church. CRAS. 0. ISAAC, Secretary. his object except by unanimous consent. FEBRUARY 25, lOOL Mr. GROUT. The object of the motion of the gentleman from The attitude of the general conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church Minnesota is to bring the bill before the House, and it does bring is in harmony with the above resolution. it before the House. ALEX. BIELAS.KL President. Mr. PAYNE. But to get a vote on the proposition of the gen CHAS. Q. ISAAC, Secretary. tleman from Vermont will require unanimous consent. PH:n..A..DELPHIA SABBATH AssOCI.A.TION, Mr. GROUT. I do not expect a vote on this proposition now Philadelphia, February !5, 1901. without unanimous consent. Very soon I will ask such consent, The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. but I expect some one will object. I presume the gentleman him (Care of Hon. W. W. GROUT, M. C.) self would obje~. Washington., D. 0.: Mr. PAYNE. The only way to get the amendment before the The Philadelphia Sabbath .Aasociation earnestly urges the members of the House to concm• in Sunday closing of expositions. Honse- · J. P. SHARI?, Chairman. Mr. GROUT. I am going to ask the House to refuse to adopt E. Y. LANDIS, Secreta1iJ. 3178 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, THE SUNDAY OBSERVANCE ASSOCIATION, their Sunday habits from England, may so surrender, but England Brooklyn, N. Y., Februa1'Y £6, 1901. will not. The fact is. there is no nation in the whole world where DEAR SIR: In behalf of the Sabbath-loving people of Kings County, we would respectfully urge that yon stand for the Sunday-closing amendments Sunday observance 1s ·to-day more rigidly maintained than in Eng to the exposition appropriation bills. land. I have no time to dwell upon the influence throughout the Very truly, yours, A. A. ROBBINS, earth of this little seagirtisle, ''whose morning drumbeat is heard Pt·esident. around the world," nor upon the question how much of that influ Hon. WILLIAM W. GROUT, House of Representatives, Washington. ence is due to her careful observance of the Sabbath as a day of rest, in which the moral and spiritual side of man is given a chance is PHILADELPHIA, P A., Februm'Y £5, 1901. for development and strength and in which the physical man HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, made strong for every encounter. (Care Hon. W . W. GROUT, M. C.), The Sabbath is not so well kept in America as in England. In Washington, D. C.: certain portions of this country it bas become somewhat demoral Philadelphia's two successful expositions answered all arguments agajnst ized by the influx of large bodies of immigrants from the nations Sunday closing. We petition House concur Sunday closing St. Louis and Charleston. of Continental Europe; nevertheless. it still stands as a day of wor PHILADELPHIA METHODIST PREACHERS' MEET~G. ship instead of a day of worldly pleasure; sWl stand as a dis G. W. HENSON, Secreta1'Y. tinctly Anglo-Saxon institution: and ill fares the dav when religious and moral exercises shall give p}ace to theatricals and CINCINNATI, OHIO, February !5, 1~1. dances and the midway plaisance of the modern exposition. Hon. Mr. GROUT, M. C., Washington: In no part of the country would a county fair be tolerated on Christian Ministers' Association of Greater Cincinnati, 30 members pres Sunday, and why any more this great interstate fair? No reason ent, request yon to use influence to have House close St. Louis exhibit on Sunday. exists for it unless it be found in the fact that its great size so CHARLES D'ARSIE. See1·etary. divides and obscures responsibility that no one in particular feels answerable for it. Mr. Speaker, these dispatches which I have CINCINNATI, OHIO, Februanj 25, 1901. just read, from the rebgious bodies of the country, aE'k Congress Congressman GROUT, to take the initiative and settle this question in behalf of the Amer House of Rep1·esentatives, Washington, D. C.: ican Sabbath by saying to the promoters of this exposition that Presbyterian Ministerial Association ask House to join Senate securing if this $5,000,000 be paid to them out of the Treasury then the Sabbath closing national exhibit St. Louis. gates shall be kept closed on Sunday. A. J. REYNOLDS, Secreta1'"1J. But we are told that if this be done the laboring man will have no opportunity to attend the fair. If there is anything good in CINCINNATI, OHIO, February 25, 1901. Congressman GROUT, Washington: this fair for the laboring man-and there is-I want him to have Cincinnati Baptist Ministers' Conference asks for vote against Sunday it. for be certainly bas no more than his share of the good things opening at St. Louis. of this life. This fair will last for six months, and it will be CHARLES STANTON, Secreta111. strange, indeed, if in that time there will not be some day when he can relieve himself of toil and attend this fair. But our friends PHILADELPHIA, Pa., Feb1"'Uary £5, 1901. who work the workingman in behalf of Sunday opening, but who HOUSE OF REPRESE?o."'TATIVES (Care Hon. W. W. GROUT): see it will not quite work to work him on Sunday, propose to Ask Honse concur Sunday closing St. Louis and Charleston. have all the machinery shut down on Sunday and to dispense PHILADELPHIA Co \FERENCE BAPTIST PREACHERS, with work of every kind, with an opportunity for visitors to walk JOSEPH A. BENNETT, See1·etary. through the grounds as through a park. Mr. Speaker, in the name of the workingmen of this country I protest against this MILWAUKEE, Wis., February t6, W01. scheme. I do not believe the workingman wants anything of this Congressman GROUT, kind. House of Representatives, Washington, D. C.: Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of order. We Approve Sunday-closing amendment to Fair appropriation. See Depew want to have-attention here. We can not hear the gentleman's messages. J. B. DAVISON. remarks. .Mr. GROUT. I will try and make myself heard. I say I do PHILADELPHIA, PA., Februm-y !5, 1901. not believe the workingman wants to attend the fair unless he can Hon. W. W. GROUT, see the whole thing. He is fairly entitled to see it all. He ought House of Representatives, Washington, D. C.: to have just as good a chance to see the fair as the rich and the Celebration Louisiana Purchase should exhibit American Sabbath, not French Sunday. idle. He wants to attend the fair, just as other folks do, and he W. P. FULTON, President, will find a way to do it. WM. HUTTON, Secreta1y, Rot only this, but be knows that more than any other class it is Presbyterian Ministers' Association. for his interest to keep the Sabbath as a day of rest. He knows Mr. Speaker, this last dispatch strikes the keynote of this whole that when it is made a working day the result will very soon be question and furnishes a text for what I want to say. There is as on the Continentof Europe-sevendays'workfor six days' pay. every reason why this celebration of the Louisiana Purchase I repeat, the intelligent workingman is everywhere in favor of should exhibit the American Sabbath, which is set apart as a day keeping the Sabbath day as one of rest. of rest and for moral and religious instruction, and not the French Mr. Speaker, 25,000 railway telegraphers are on record before a Sunday, in which the theateTs and saloon's are wide open and the committee of this House asking that Sunday be kept as a day of day one of gaiety and dissipation. The vast territory included in rest: 31.000of the Brotherhood of Trainmen make the same request, the Louisiana Purchase was brought by that transaction from and 2 ~ 000 of the National Order of Railway Conductors.ask the under the French flag and French civilization into the glorious same thing. And yet everyone knows that if the St. Louis Expo liberty of American institutions and under the protection of the sition be kept open on Sundays excursion trains will be run every Stars and Stripes. It finished the work begun by Wolfe on the Sunday from all points within 100 miles and even more. Who be Plains of Abraham in 1759. It completed the transfer of the lieves the workingmen are in favor of this? They do not want it. American continent from the control of the Latin race to that of Not only this, but here is another phase of tbjs question worthy the Anglo·Saxon. With that transfer came, instead of the civil of careful consideration by the managers of this fair, viz: Whether code, the common law, with trial by jury, and a free representa it will be for the pecuniary interest of the fair itself to keep it tive government. There came also, with other Anglo-Saxon insti open on Sunday. More than 30,000,000 people in this country tutions, instead of the French Sunday the Anglo-Saxon Sabbath, do not want it open. the Sabbath of our English ancestors, the Sabbath that came over Mr. MANN. Will the gentleman from Vermont yield to me in the Mayflower and has given character, in varying degree, to be for a suggestion? sure, but still character, to the observance of th~ Lord's day in .Mr. GROUT. Certainly. every quarter of this great Republic. Mr. MANN. I want to say, with reference to the Chicago fair, Then why, Mr. Speaker, in celebrating this great event, for that the experience of the fair managers and the people was that which we are now appropriating $5,000,000, should wereinstatethe the people did not desire the fair opened on Sundays and that it French Sunday, with its round of frivolous, if not wicked, pleas was not profitable to keep it open on Sundays. ures, and releg-ate •to the rear the sober Sabbath of our fathers, Mr. GROUT. I thank the gentleman for the suggestion. I which is founded on the plain, simple injunction, "Remember the was just developing that point, and his testimony is important. Lord's day to keep it holy." As I said, there are more than 30,000,000 people in this country to This would be turning back the hands on the dial of human whom the idea of Sunday opening is offensive-almost one-half of progress. It would be a surrender of Anglo-Saxon civilization to our entire population. In the discussion of the subject of Sunday the notions of the Latin race. It would be a surrender at last of closing of the Columbian Exposition in 1892 the late Representa the English to the French-a complete reversal of history for the tive Dingley estimated-and he was a careful man-that fully one last five hundred years. The American people, who inherited half of our entire population were members of the families of 1901. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3179 professors of religion, who would be under an influence adverse ure, there is no other way whereby we can get this matter into to attending the fair if it were kept open on Sundays; whereas if conference or finally determine on what kind of a bill we shall the sanctity of the Sabbath were not violated, a large portion of enact into law except by the method which we now propose. this number would be likely to attend. It stands to reason that The question of whether or not this exposition shall be closed the managers of this fair can not fly in the face of one-half of entirely or whether a portion of it shall remain open or all of it the people and yet make the fair a success, and the Chicago fair remain open on Sunday is not in the least involved in the question may well be referred to. They tried it both ways, and finally set of whether or not we should suspend the rule and send this bill tled down on the plan that they did not want Sunday opening, but to conference for the purpose of settling these matters of differ did want Sunday closing. ence between the two Houses. I therefore hope that the motion Mr. TAWNEY. Right there, if the gentleman will pardon me, to suspend the rules and nonconcur, which does not finally dis that was not the fact. The only portion of the exposition that pose of the question, will be agreed to and the House will have at was closed was the machinery and the exhibits. The gates and some future time an opportunity to discuss and consider and vote grounds of the fair were open all day. on the merits of the proposition which the gentleman from Ver Mr. GROUT. I do not understand this matter as the gentle mont is now advocating. I now yield three minutes to the gen man tloes. But, on the contrary, as stated a moment ago by the tleman from Mississippi [Mr. WILLIAMS]. gentleman from Illinois [Mr. MANN]. I have already shown that Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. Mr. Speaker, I am opposed to an arrangement such as the gentleman describes would be satis the expenditure of money from the Federal Treasury for exposi factory to no one. tion purposes. I therefore voted against thls bill for the St. Louis Mr. STEELEL Will the gentleman allow me a question? Exposition in the House and shall therefore continue to vote Mr. GROUT. Yes, sir. against it. I shall therefore vote against the amendment for the Mr. STEELE. The gentleman is an old member of the House, Charleston Exposition. which comes over from the Senate. and therefore familiar with parliamentary practice. I want to I shall vote as a conferee for one of the amendments which the ask him whether he is against the St. Louis Exposition? Senate sent over and against the other. But, Mr. Speaker, the Mr. GROUT. I voted against the bill when it passed the House question presents itself to my mind here as one of fairness toward because I sought recognition to introduce this amendment which the House itself. we are DOW considering, and I was whistled down, or, rather, I think the House has the right to have a chance to cast a ma silently turned down, with no chance whatever for the presenta jority vote upon this bill and npon the amendments which have tion of this proposition, and so I voted against the bill. I think been made to the bill. I shall therefore vote to suspend the rules it a piece of extravagant folly for the United States to appropri in order that there may be a conference between the two Houses ate five millions at intervals, hardly at intervals either, for they and in order that the two Houses, after conference, may have the come about every year, for these expositions. I think it is an ex power to exercise their right to vote upon each one of these prop travagant piece of business, and while I do not want to go on ositions. record as fighting this fair by itself alone, I am on record agaiiJst I shall vote for the conference because it is the only possible it without this amendment requiring Sunday closing, and shall so manner in which the two Houses can arrive at the consummation stand to the end. of their desire, if it is their desire to vote on the bill and on each Mr. STEELE. As an old member of this House, does not the of the amendments. I thank the gentleman for the time and yield gentleman from Vermont know that the only practical way of get back whatever may be left of it. ting the very question that he is now arguing before the House is Mr. GROUT. Mr. Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry. to disagree to the Senate amendments and let it go to conference? The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. Mr. GROUT. I do not know that. On the contrary, 1 know it Mr. GROUT. Suppose the motion prevail to suspend the rules can be settled now and would be if the gentleman in charge of the and send the bill to conference, would it be competent to instruct bill would only consent to let the House vote on this amendment. the conferees on this first amendment? Mr. STEELE. Evsry other member of the House knows it. The SPEAKER. It would be in order to instruct the conferees Mr. GROUT. I believe every member of the House, or a ma providit;lgthe motion applies tosomething germane, but the Chair jority of them, will agree to this proposition when they are given will state that it is very seldom done, the theory being that the a chance to vote on it, and I want it understood once for all that conferees should start in with an opportunity for a full and free I am going to make the passage of this bill a rough and rugged conference. one till a chance is given to test the sense of the House on this Mr. STEELE. I rise to a parliamentary inquiry. Is not the amendment. I do not, however, want to be understood as oppos case presented here exactly the same as that which was presented ing the bill beyond the point of a vote on this Sunday-closing by the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. GROUT] on the District of proposition. I have not heretofore been opposed to these exposi Columbia appl'Opriation bill when he asked the House to disagree tions. I was in favor of the Chicago World's Fair. It was the to amendments of which he was in favor? celebration of the quadricentennial anniversary of the discovery The SPEAKER. This motion, if carrried, will put this bill ex of the new world. There is also good reason for this fair. The actly where every other bill is placed when sent to conference transaction it celebrates, as we have seen, broughtanempire under with no greater and no less rights or privileges. the American flag, but when it comes to a restor~ tion of the French Mr. TAWNEY. I ask for a vote. Sunday, there I draw the line. If we can have the fair with an Mr. ELLIOTT. I ask the gentleman to yield to me for two or Anglo-Saxon Sunday, I am for it. But if the French Sunday is three minutes. insisted upon, I think we can get along without both. Mr. TAWNEY. I am glad to do so. • And here just a word about the Charleston proposition, which Mr. ELLIOTT. Mr. Speaker, I sincerely hope that this motion the Senate has put on also. Charleston has behaved herself very will be adopted. This is not the proper time to discuss the merits well lately, and I would like to give her a reward of merit and of either of these propositions. The question is simply whether every other Southern city for good behavior if the Treasury holds the Honse shall have an opportunity to express its opinion upon out. Indeed, I hardly see how we can reasonably refuse Charles both of them. The St. Louis Exposition project has already passed ton if we appropriate for St. Louis. I am not certain but it would the House and the Charleston project has twice passed the Senate. be a good investment for the good feeling it would establish be The only object in this matter of those who support this motion tween the sections. I voted for both the Atlanta and Nashville is that the House shall be allowed to give its judgment by a vote expositions, and largely on the ground that it would lead to a bet in the only possible manner in which the matter can be brought ter acquaintance and better feeling between the South and North, before the Honse. As I have said, this is not the time to discuss and, upon the whole, think it has proved a good investment. the merits of this question, but I wish to disabuse the minds of The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman from Vermont has some members of the House of a misapprehension as to the object expired. • of the appropriation for the exposition at Charleston, S. C. The Mr. TAWNEY. Mr. Speaker, the question before the House is object is not to defray the expenses of the exposition, but simply not whether we are in favor of a French Sunday or an Anglo and purely to furnish a Government exhibit. I hope that every Saxon Sunday. The question is whether or not this bill that has friend of that measure will vote in support of the motion made by passed the House with only 40 votes in the negative, which has the gentleman from Minnesota. been amended in the Senate, shall, with the amendment, go to con Mr. GRAHAM. I rise to a parliamentary inquiry. ference in order that the questions of difference between the two The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. Houses may be considered and a settlement arrived at. Mr. GRAHAM. In order to reach the amendment in which The House does not forfeit it.s right to future consideration of the gentleman from Vermont desires the House to concur, shall this question upon its merits by voting to suspend the rules and we be compelled to vote down the proposition of the gentleman nonconcur in the amendment. The conference committee will from Minnesota? have to report to this House, and that report will be open for con The SPEAKER. That does not facilitate the purpose at all. sideration, and hence acted upon by a majority of the House. Mr. GRAHAM. I would like to reach the proposition which With the few gentlemen in the House, as there has been ever the gentleman from Vermont wishes to re_ach. since last Saturday, objecting to the consideration of this meas- The SPEAKER. A vote ag~inst the motion of the gentleman 3180 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, from Minnesota dces nothing whatever toward accomplishing the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, the sum of $100.000 as a part contribu tion to the erection o.f saJ.d monument, payable to said Martyrs Mom::ment purpose of the gentleman from Vermont. Association of the United ~tates: Provided, however, That said sum shall not Mr. GROUT .. I want to say- be payable until there has been raised, by private subscription and by public The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Minnesota yield to appropriations as aforesaid, sums aggregating an additiOnal $100,000: And provided further, That said moneys shall not be paid for the erection of a the gentleman from Vermont? monument,_plans for which shall not have been approved by t he Secretary of Mr. TAWNEY. I do. War of the United States and the governor of the State of New York; and the The SPEAKER. How much time? said moneys shall be expended under the joint supervision of the said Secre Mr. TAWNEY. One minute. tary and said governor. Mr. GROUT. I want to say that I really do not feel like stand The SPEAKER. Is a second demanded on the motion to sns4 ing in the way of this exp03ition, and I am inclined to think that pend the rules? it would be best for me to defer asking action upon this question :Mr. CUMMINGS. I ask unanimous consent that a second be until the conferees have dealt with it. Though it seems that a considered as ordered. motion to instruct them would be in order, that proposition might There was no objection. not be understood in the right sense. So I am willing that this The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from question go to conference and that we deal with it later. New York [Mr. CUMMINGS] and the gentleman from lllinois (Mr. Several MEMBERS. That is right. CANNON] to control the time on the motion to suspend the rules. The SPEAKER (having put the question on the motion of Mr. Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, I ask for order. TAWNEY to suspend the rules). In the opinion of the Chair, two The SPEAKER. The House will come to order. Members thirds having voted in favor of the motion-- will take their seats and refrain from conversation. The Chair Mr. SIMS. I call for the yeas and nays. hopes that gentlemen of the House will bear with him if in the The yeas and nays were not ordered, only 19 voting in favor closing hours of the session he does not show the patience which thereof. he trusts he shows on other occasions-patience in indulging those The SPEAKER. In the opinion of the Chair, two-thirds have who aTe disposed from thoughtlessness to disturb the businJss of voted in favor of the motion to suspend the rules; and it is agreed the House. to. The Chair appoints a~ conferees on the part of the House the Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, after the battle of Long Island, gentleman from Minnesota, Mr. TAWNEY; the gentleman from where over 2,000 Americans were taken prisoners, and after the Indiana, :Mr. STEELE, and the gentleman from Mississippi, Mr. evacuation of New York by General Washington, the British WILLIAMS. authorities filled Wallabout Bay with prison ships. In all there MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE. were 20, the most notorious being the old Jersey. Seven thousand A message from the Senate, by Mr. PLATT, one of itS clerks, men died in this prison ship alone by disease and torture, and announced that the Senate had insisted upon its amendment to were lmried in the sand at high-water mark on Wallabout Bay; the bill (H. R. 12396) to amend an act entitled "An act temporarily Mr: Speaker, the rich man who refuses to honor the grave of to provide revenues and a civil government for Porto Rico, and his father with a tombstone deserves and receives the scorn of for other purposes," approved April 12, 1900, and to increase the mankind. That scorn becomes execration when his wealth was salary of the commissioner of education provided for by said act, inher1ted from that father. These martyrs of the British prison disagreed to by the House of Representatives, had agreed to the ships were the fathers of American freedom-our forefathers. conference asked by the House on the disagreeing votes of the two They left us an inheritance priceless in value-the most magnifi Houses thereon, and had appointed Mr. FoRAKER, Mr. GALLIN cent on the face of the globe. It has made ns the richest and GER, and Mr. MALLORY as the conferees on the part of the Senate. most powerful of all nations. The message also announced that the Senate had insisted upon In resources and influence we are unsurpassed. El Dorado its amendment to the bill (H. R. 11598) for the t·elief of Frank B. itself bears no comparison to the richness of our domain. The. Case, disagreed to by the House of Represe~tative~, had agreed to bones of these martyrs are our bones, the bones of our ancestors. the conference asked by the House on the disagreeing votes of the They are owned by neither the city nor the State of New York. two Houses thereon, and had appointed Mr. HALE, Mr. CHANDLER, They are the bones of Revolutionary soldiers-sacred relics of lib and Mr. TILLMAN as the conferees on the part of the Senate. erty-the exclusive property of the United States. These martyrs The message also announced that the Senate had passed with suffered a fate far more horrible than those killed and wounded out amendment the following resolution: _ in battle. Their dust is a part of the soil of the 13 colonies. The House concurrent resolution No. 90. bones of the Marvland Line were whitened in the sand with the Resolved by the House of Repr es en tative .~ (the Senate concttn'ing), That the bones of the minutemen of Massachusetts. The soldiers of John President be requested to return to the House the bill of the House (H. R. Stark and of Light-Horse Harry were thrown into the same trench. 9903) granting an increase of pension to Henry B. Shell. The dust of North Carolina and the Palmetto State is commingled MONUMENT TO PRISON SHIP MARTYRS AT FORT GREENE, N.Y. with the dust of patriots from New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Connecticut. Jersey, Georgia, and Delaware are rep Mr. CUMMINGS . . I ask unanimous consent for the considera resented here. These ashes represent the hopes and aspirations tion of the joint resolution (S. R. 152) in relation to monument of a nation struggling for liberty. They commemorate the prayers to prison ship martyrs at Fort Greene, Brooklyn, N. Y.- and tears of the noble women of the Revolution. The SPEAKER. Is there objection? They recall the telling words of Ethan Allen at Ticonderoga, Mr. CANNON. I object. and disclose anew the dead body of Montgomery in the snow at Mr. CUMMINGS. Then I move to suspend the rules and put Quebec; they picture the blood of Warren sinking into the sod at the joint resolution on its passage. Bunker Hill; they call to mind the daring escape of ''Old Put" at The joint resoiution was read, as follows: Horse Neck; they recall the critical hours at Saratoga and Ger Whereas nearly 20, take any time upon this report. The gentleman from Indiana, a Mr. BAILEY of Texas. I object. member of the committee, desires to address the Honse for ten The SPEAKER. Objection is made by the gentleman from minutes. Texas. Mr. UNDERWOOD. A point of order. Mr. BAILEY of Texas. If the gentleman from New York will The SPEAKER. The Chair is under the impression, though strike out the appropriation, I have no objection. he has been engaged a good deal, that this is a report with the Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, I accept the amendment, and recommendation that it lie on the table. Is the Chair correct? I will modify my motion by striking out all after the semicolon, Mr. HOPKINS. That is the kind of report it is. in line 5, page 2. Mr. UNDERWOOD. It is not debatable. Mr. CANNON. I shall object, Mr. Speaker. Mr. HEPBURN. Mr. Speaker, I make the point order that it Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. The bill as amended would is not debatable. not carry any appropriation. The SPEAKER. That point of order is made by two gentle Mr. CANNON. It will come when it gets to conference. men. The SPEAKER. The Chair would like to be advised·as to what Mr. CRUMPACKER. I think the report is a conditional one the objection of the gentleman from illinois is. that it lie on the table until a particular time. Mr. CANNON. Is this a motion to suspend the rules? The SPEAKER. The Chair does not understand the gentle The SPEAKER. It is, and the gentleman from New York had man's point. a right to make his motion. The q nes tion is, is a second demanded Mr. CRUMPACKER. That is to say, the report, as I under to the modified motion of tlie gentleman from New York? stand, is that the resolution lie upon the table until such time as Mr. BAILEY of Texas. My understanding was, Mr. Speaker, certain information can be obtained; and I think that introduces that the gentleman from New York struck out the appropriation. an element into the question that is not the usual recommendation That was objected to, and therefore the motion is to suspend the that a measure lie on the table. rules and pass the bill as it was read. The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks that that is not within the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York had the right meaning of the rule, and that the question is on laying the report to amend the bill and offer the motion in any form he chose. He on the table. The question is on agreeing to the report. · offered it in the amended form, striking out the entire appropria The question was taken, and the resolution was laid on the tion, and the question now is, Is there a second demanded to the table. motion to pass the modified bill? BRONZE PORTRAIT STATUE OF GEORGE W ASIDNGTON, Mr. CANNON. Yes. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from illinois demands a sec Mr. COWHERD. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent for ond, and the Chair will appoint the gentleman from New York the present consideration of the bill which I send to the desk. [Mr. CUMMINGS] and the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. CANNON] The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Missouri asks unanimous as tellers. consent for the present consideration of the bill which the Clerk The House divided; and the tellers reported-yeas 32, nays 37. will report. _ So a second was denied. The Clerk read as follows: Mr. CUMMINGS. A parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker. A bill (H. R. 5795) for the purchase of a bronze portrait statue of George The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. . . W a.shington. Mr. CUMMINGS. Of what use is the Joint Committee on the Be it enacted, etc .• That there is hereby appropriated, out of any money in Library? [Laughter.] the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, to be expended under the direction of the Joint Committee on the Library, the sum of $17,500 for the purchase of Mr. HEPBURN. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House now re a bronze portrait statue of George Washington: said statue to be placed solve itself into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the in Statuary Hall in the Capitol building, or in the Congressional Library Union for the further consideration of Honse bill5499, and pend building. ing that, I move that all general debate be closed when two hours The SPEAKER. Is there objection? have been consumed in debate. I mean two hours in all, and Mr. BAILEY of Texas. I object. upon that I ask the previous question. Mr. COWHERD. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa moves that the and pass the bill with the amendment. Honse resolve itself into Committee of the Whole House on the Mr. BAILEY of Texas. I demand a second. state of the Union for the further consideration of Honse bill Mr. COWHERD. l a-sk unanimous consent that a second be 5499, being the regular continuing order, and upon that he moves considered as ordered. that all general debate, including the amount of time that has Mr. BAILEY of Texas. I object. already been consumed in debate upon this bill, be limited to two The SPEAKER. Objection is made by the gentleman from hours, and he also asks for the previous question. Texas. '.rhe Chair appoints the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. Pending that I would like to CowHERD] and the gentleman from. Texas [Mr. BAILEY] to act as ask the gentleman a question. How much of that time will be tellers. consumed this evening? The House divided, and the tellers reported yeas 24, nays 44. Mr. HEPBURN. I understand that under this motion there So a second was denied. can ba but twenty-five minutes' debate. The opposition have had an hour and the affirmative has had thirty-five minutes. BROr ZE STATUE OF GEN. FRANCIS E. SPINNER. Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. Then that will not carry us be. Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent for yond 6 o'clock. the present consideration of House joint resolution 47, granting Mr. HEPBURN. No. permission for the erection of a bronze statue in Washington, D. C., Mr. ::1\-IANN. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now ad· in honor of Gen. Francis E. Spinner, late Treasurer of the United journ. States. Mr. HEPBURN. Mr. Speaker, I make the point of order that The Clerk read the resolution, as follows: that motion is dilatory. The SPEAKER. The Chair would dislike to so hold. Nothing Wherea,s the ladies employed in the United States Treasury Department, and others, have raised a fund for, and have caused to be executed, a bronze has developed to show that, and the hour is now half past 5. The statue of Gen. Francis E. Spinner, Treasurer of the United States from Chair overrules the point of order. March 16, 1861, to June 30, 1875, in commemoration of his faithful public serv The question was taken; and the Chair being in doubt, the House ice, and especially as a token of their admir ation and gratitude for his suc cessful endeavors in behalf of the employment of women in the civil ser-vice divided; and there were-ayes 120, noes 77. of the United States: 'fherefore, Resolved, etc., That permission be, and the same is hereby, granted to the I ... E.A. VE OF ABSENCE. General Spinner Memorial Association to erect said s tatue at such place in the city of Washington, other than the Capitol or Library gr ound::;, as shall Pending the announcement, by unanimous consent, leave of be designated by a committee composed of the J oint Committee on the absence was granted to Mr. GILL indefinitely, on account of sick Library, the superintendent of public buildings and gr ounds, and t he oresi ness in his family. dent of the General Spinner Memorial Association; and the sum of $2,500, or so much thereof as may be necessary, is hereby appropriated. out of any So the motion was agreed to; accordingly (at 5 o'clock and 30 money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for the erection of a ped minutes) the House, under its previous order, adjourned until 11 estal upon which to place said statue. o'clock to-morrow. The SPEAKER. Is there objection? Mr. BAILEY of Texas. I object. Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, I move to· suspend tbe rules EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS. and pass the bill. ·· Under clause 2 of Rule XXIV, the following executive com The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York moves to sus munication was taken from the Speaker~s table and referred as pend the ru1es and pass the bill. follows: Mr. BAILEY of •.rexas. Mr. Speaker, I demand a second. A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting a preliminary Mr. CUMl\1INGS. I ask that a second may be considered as report from Maj. John Tweedale upon the present condition of ordered. · that portion of the State, War, and Navy building devoted to the 3184 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, use and occupancy of the War Department-to the Committee on Also, a bill (H. R. 14306) granting a pension to Mary Probasco Public Buildings and Grounds, and ordered to be printed. to the Committee on Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 14307} granting an increase of pension to REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON PUBLIC BILLS AND William B. Dungan-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. RESOLUTIONS. PETITIONS, ETC. Un By Mr. O'GRADY: Petition of churches of Clarksville, N.Y., By command of the King, I am to request your excellency to be so kind ~ to express to the President of the Senate His Majesty's most sincere thanks against the sale of intoxicating liquors to the inhabitants of the for the mark of respect shown by the Senate of the United States to the New Hebrides and other islands-to the Committee on the Judi memory of her deeply lamented Majesty Queen Victoria, Empress of India. ciary. The terms of the resolution are highly appreciated by His Majesty. I have the honor to be, etc., By .Mr. ROBINSON of Indiana: Petition of Paul G. Klinken LANSDOWNE. berg, of Kendallville, Ind., for the repeal of the special tax on His excellency Ron. JosEPH H. CHOA'IE, etc. proprietary medicines-to the Committee on Ways and Means. By .Mr. RYAN of New York: Petition of Union No. 43, of Buf The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The communication and ac falo, N.Y., Brotherhood of Painters, Decorators, and Paper Hang companying papers will lie on the table. ers, in favor of the Newlands reclamation bill-to the Committee MOXill1ENT TO PRISON-SHIP MARTYRS, on Irrigation of Arid Lands. By Mr. SHOW ALTER: Petition of voters of the Twenty-fifth The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair has received a let Congressional district of Pennsylvania, in favor of an amendment ter from Mrs. Daniel Manning, president-general of the National to the Constitution against polygamy-to the Committee on the Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution; which will Judiciary. be read. By Mr. SPERRY: Petition of citizens of North Haven and The Secretary read as follows: Branford, Conn., urging the passage of House bill No. 12551, for To ~he Senate of the United State<;. the protection of native races in our islands against intoxicants GENTLEMEN: I haye the hop.or to transmit to yon a rising vote of thanks and opium-to the Committee on Alcoholic Liquor Traffic. tendered by the National SoCiety of the Dn.ughters of the American Revolu tion in congress assembled for the passa~re by your honorable body of a bill By Mr. THAYER: Petition of the Woman's Christian Temper appropriating $100,1XX> to the erection of a monument in memory of the prison ance Union of Worcester, Mass., favoring the passage of the ship martyrs of the Revolution. Gillett bill for the protection of native races in our islands against 'rhe great interest taken in this commendable project by our "committee on prison ships," has been productive of some excellent work, anj the gen intoxicants and opium-to the Committee on Alcoholic Liquor erous appropriation re XX.XIV-200