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Seattle University School of Law Seattle University School of Law Digital Commons The Truth, Justice and Reconciliation I. Core TJRC Related Documents Commission of Kenya 1-25-2012 Public Hearing Transcripts - Coast - Wundanyi - RTJRC25.01 (Wundanyi County Council Hall) Truth, Justice, and Reconciliation Commission Follow this and additional works at: https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/tjrc-core Recommended Citation Truth, Justice, and Reconciliation Commission, "Public Hearing Transcripts - Coast - Wundanyi - RTJRC25.01 (Wundanyi County Council Hall)" (2012). I. Core TJRC Related Documents. 41. https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/tjrc-core/41 This Report is brought to you for free and open access by the The Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission of Kenya at Seattle University School of Law Digital Commons. It has been accepted for inclusion in I. Core TJRC Related Documents by an authorized administrator of Seattle University School of Law Digital Commons. For more information, please contact [email protected]. ORAL SUBMISSIONS MADE TO THE TRUTH, JUSTICE AND RECONCILIATON COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY, 25 TH JANUARY, 2012 AT THE WUNDANYI COUNTY COUNCIL HALL PRESENT Getrude Chawatama - The Presiding Chair, Zambia Ahmed Farah - Commissioner (The Commission commenced at 10.30 a.m.) (Opening Prayers) Presiding Chair (Commissioner Chawatama): On behalf of the TJRC, I would like to thank you for being here on the second day of our hearings. We, as a Commission, are so happy with the response that we received from you all. We thank you for your participation in the process. We thank you for owning this process for, indeed, this process was meant for Kenyans to give them an opportunity to appear before the TJRC to talk about the violations that have taken place between 1963 and 2008; human right violations that have really had a negative impact on the lives of many people. We have heard of deaths, loss of property, loss of employment, rapes, defilements, and issues related to corruption, and so many violations that have brought about a lot of sufferings in the lives of so many Kenyans. We have heard from men, women, and also from children. I recall one specific child who was a victim of post-election violence. When she spoke to us, she said: “I do not know why I lost my clothes, why I lost my friends, why I had to leave the home and where I lived. It is, indeed, very sad to hear from children who have suffered so greatly. Most have lost their parents. They have been separated from their friends in school and their lives have never been the same. We, as the Commission, are so happy to be able to serve this nation as a Commission. (The Presiding Chair introduced herself and members of the Commission) So, we would like to thank you again for coming today. The leader of evidence will call witnesses to testify before us. Oath will be administered. They will share with us their story. You may agree or disagree with what they say. Your role is to patiently listen and to show respect to the witnesses as they speak. It is our intention to give them space to share their stories with us. Secondly, if there are those among you who have cell phones, I will encourage you to turn them off because they have a way of interrupting the proceedings and the recordings which are very important. These proceedings are part of the record and we will make sure that the testimony of witnesses is captured. Some of you have come and maybe you have not given us statements, but I am sure you will be able to identify with the witnesses who Wundanyi County Council Hall 1 Wednesday, 25 th January, 2012 are going to speak. By being here, you are affirming them. I am sure they will get confidence knowing that they have your support. With those few remarks, I turn over to the leader of evidence to call the first witness and let them be sworn in. Mr. Patrick Njue: Thank you, Presiding Chair and Commissioners. I would wish to call our first witnesses. They are Witness No.4 and Witness No.10 on our cause list. They will narrate to us the ordeals they faced in 1982. (Mr. Boniface Eremani Msangi took the oath) (Mr. Kiora Mjomba took the oath) Good morning. Kindly for the record, once again, tell us your names, where you come from and what you do for a living. Mr. Boniface Msangi: My name is Bonfiace Eremani Msangi. I come from Somgani Location which is in Wundanyi Division in Taita Taveta District. I am a primary school teacher. Mr. Patrick Njue: Mr. Eremani, you confirm that you are seated with us this morning to share with us an account of what you went through or suffered in 1982 coup. Mr. Boniface Msangi: Yes. Mr. Patrick Njue: Maybe to begin with you can tell us when you joined the forces. Mr. Boniface Msangi: I joined the army in 1979, Air Force. I was an army officer at Lanet. After I qualified, I was sent to Embakasi where I stayed for a year as a technician. I was sent to the United States and my section was changed. I rose to be a supplies officer. I was trained as a supplier and qualified with Grade 2. Later on, I was promoted to Grade 2. That was August 1982. Mr. Patrick Njue: Mr. Eremani, what happened on 1 st August, 1982 in relation to yourself? Mr. Boniface Msangi: According to me, before 1 st of August, I was on leave. My leave was to end on 31 st of July. I arrived in Nairobi on 31 st July, morning and rested. At around midday, I went to town. We stayed with friends in town. Then on 1 st , which was on Sunday, I went back work. At the gates, there were a lot of policemen. I was able to identify Corporal Mbuvi who was in the military police, who ordered us to stop. He told us to identify ourselves with identity cards. We were five or six of us. We held our identity cards. We identified ourselves. After identifying ourselves, he ordered us to go to Wundanyi County Council Hall 2 Wednesday, 25 th January, 2012 our rooms and put on our uniforms. We were also told to go to the armory and get ourselves armed. On our way to stations, we saw so many vehicles, Land Rovers and lorries. Each was carrying our policemen who were getting out. They were armed. I knew all was not good. We thought we had been attacked. While I was putting on my uniform, an officer threatened me. The police explained that whoever had a gun should get into the vehicle and they would be taken where they were supposed to go and work. I got into the vehicle and after taking my gun and ammunition, I ran out. The Land Rover was there and I boarded it. I was with about 12 policemen and the Land Rover took us up to Voice of Kenya (VOK). We alighted when we got there at 6.00 a.m. We were told to wait for another command and that we should not move. We stayed there without getting any information. I felt very hungry at about 8.00 a.m. I was with my fellow policeman and I told him that I wanted to get some food and then come back. He told me that there was a canteen where we were and we could get some food. When we got to the canteen, we found that there was no food. We found two policemen; one civilian who afterwards I realized was a radio broadcaster with the VOK. We went to town with our fellow policemen. There were many civilians and people were in town shouting “power power”. I was confused and I tried to maintain peace. One Land Rover of Kenya Air Force came along and when the policemen who were in it saw me, they asked me, “Why are you alone?” I told them that I wanted to buy food and they told me that I was in a very dangerous place because we already had enemies who were killing policemen. I asked them who these enemies were and he told me that the “red berets” were not with us. I asked him what he was talking about and he told me not to ask questions. He told me to look for my fellow policemen so that I can stay with them otherwise, I would be killed. He said that there were many policemen who had already been killed. I then told him not to leave me alone. I asked him where they were going and he told me that they were going to the camp. I got into their Land Rover and we went back to the camp. When we got to the camp, we found many policemen there. I then heard people saying that the Government had been overthrown and the GSU had gone against us. All the army had also agreed with that. We were told that those who were already in the camp should not move and we should just stay there and take care of the camp because anything could happen. We then stayed there and afterwards, another captain came and he told us that the Kenya Army from Kahawa with the GSU were fighting with the Air Force. Already, they had surrounded the Eastleigh base. So, we were commanded to go to the fence and we should make sure that they do not get inside.