Sarah Cracknell on How to Be in the Same Band for 25 Years and Still Enjoy It
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September 11, 2017 - Sarah Cracknell is an English vocalist and musician best known for fronting the indie-pop band Saint Etienne. Since releasing their debut, Foxbase Alpha, in 1991, the London band have established a devoted following around the world. They recently released their ninth proper studio album, Home Counties, and will once again head out on the road. When asked why her creative relationship with bandmates Bob Stanley and Pete Wiggs remains fruitful after two decades, Cracknell breaks it down. "I think we feel very free and easy in each other's company," she says. "Most importantly, we still have fun. That is so important. No one gets embarrassed about submitting an idea or anything. I can’t speak for other musicians, but I think when it starts to no longer be fun, or when people have too much ego or are too territorial over their specific part of the process, it’s no good." As told to T. Cole Rachel, 2169 words. Tags: Music, Inspiration, Success, Process, Identity. Sarah Cracknell on how to be in the same band for 25 years and still enjoy it For the record, your idea for our interview topic today is “How to Be in the Same Band for 25 Years and Still Enjoy Doing It,” which seems like an excellent thing to talk about. I’m very proud of the fact that we’ve been together for that length of time and have somehow enjoyed every single minute of it. I think that is something to be celebrated, quite frankly. That’s a long time for any kind of creative collaboration. What do you attribute it to? God, there’s so many things. We have a mutual respect and fondness for each other, obviously, having worked together for so long. There’s no big egos in the band, never has been. I think that’s one of the key things, because it means that we can share songwriting and the creative process really, really equally and totally democratically and no one gets offended or has their feelings hurt. Also, we share most musical duties in the band pretty equally, which helps. Because there’s not someone who only plays guitar or who only writes songs or only plays drums, the duties feel equally shared. I mean, we aren’t all brilliant musicians, but we’re okay. But since we’re not tied to a specific instrument or role, there is a certain freedom. I think we all write together really well and we enjoy writing as a team. For instance, on the current album there are a couple of songs that Bob [Stanley] wrote most of the lyrics for, a couple of songs that Pete [Wiggs] wrote most of the lyrics for, and a couple of songs where I wrote most of the lyrics. There’s also a bunch of songs where all three of us contributed lyrics. I think some people find that a bit odd, but we all contribute together. I think that’s fairly rare. None of us are particularly fussy about it. I think we feel very free and easy in each other’s company, which allows us to do that. Most importantly, we still have fun. That is so important. No one gets embarrassed about submitting an idea or anything. That took a little while coming for me because I joined the band after Bob and Pete had already had two Sarah Cracknell on how to be in the same band for 2… Page 1/6 09.24.2021 18:04 EST singles out and they’d got quite a few ideas together for the first album, Foxbase Alpha. I think they’d been thinking about it for years: “If we ever get to make an album, let’s do this and let’s do this, and let’s talk about this.” So I came in a little bit at the back-end of that, so I didn’t really contribute too much on the first album. I started contributing on So Tough, really, and then it’s been kind of gradual involvement. Now we just all work together really harmoniously, which is great. I can’t speak for other musicians, but I think when it starts to no longer be fun, or when people have too much ego or are too territorial over their specific part of the process, it’s no good. Your band seems to have the perfect level of fame. You have a devoted fanbase and people love what you do, but—at least from an outside perspective—you’ve never seemed particularly stressed out about becoming a “big” band. Plus, you get to have a normal life. Does that make sense? That’s right. It makes total sense. I think chasing fame can be the death knell with bands. It’s also different if you have a massive hit, which we’ve never had, not a massive hit. We’ve had two #11 singles in the U.K. and we’ve had Top 10 albums, but we’ve never had that massive hit that changes everything. When that happens then you’re under such immense pressure to follow it up, which must be awful. It must be really hard. I think it’s quite negative to the creative process and the whole “just having fun” part of things that has always been important to us. If everyone’s standing over you waiting for you to follow up that hit or somehow recreate it, I can’t imagine how you feel free enough to create. We’ve had this kind of mid-level success for a long time, and I think it does have a lot to do with not having a huge hit, which is actually fine. That has never been the ultimate goal. One thing that people often say about Saint Etienne is something to the effect of, “I don’t understand why they aren’t huge!”… but obviously maybe being hugely famous shouldn’t be the goal. I don’t think it is the be-all, end-all goal for us, no. I remember in the early ’90s when things started really kicking off for us and I used to get invited to lots of fancy events and openings, all these showbiz-y parties. I used to avoid them like the plague, mainly because I was terrified I was going to get drunk and fall over and make a fool of myself in front of photographers. That was my main worry. But also, I think there was part of me that just didn’t like it. It wasn’t fun. I didn’t embrace that whole pop star thing, and I don’t think Bob and Pete did particularly either. I think, probably because we’re quite self- effacing as people. We just like to have a bit of a laugh, really. You can see that in the kind of music we make. I wouldn’t want that to change. So how do you keep things interesting after 25 years? We have lots of side projects, some of which are solo things. Bob is writing books, and I’ve had solo records, and Pete’s been doing film school stuff. There are side projects we’ve done together, like films and stuff like that. If all the focus is always on that one project that you do together as a band, then maybe it can become a bit suffocating. Perhaps the fact that we do other stuff alleviates that pressure a little bit. It keeps us happier. Are you always working on music or is it important sometimes just to turn off and not do that at all sometimes? I find it easy to just turn it off and not do it for awhile. I’m quite lazy, really, and I like hanging out in the countryside and getting involved in village life and stuff like that. I think Bob and Pete think about music more often than I do. I mean, Bob’s such a collector. As I’m sure you’re aware, he also writes about music. And Pete’s getting really into doing his film school stuff, so he’s doing another degree. I think it’s like an MA or something smart like that, I can’t remember. I think they need music much more in their daily life than I do. I can dip in and out. What happens to me is I don’t get involved in music for a while and then I get a bit twitchy and I feel like I really want to do something. And when I’m in it, I’m totally in it. This year you’ll be playing shows, including a run of dates here in the States for the first time in a few years. Do you enjoy playing live? I love doing shows. Part of the reason we’ve been together for so long is that we enjoy traveling and touring. We’re real geeks. We like sightseeing, tasting the local food, all that kind of thing. It’s Sarah Cracknell on how to be in the same band for 2… Page 2/6 09.24.2021 18:04 EST really good fun for us, and it always has been. Because we like it so much, we get a bit excited for the traveling. We went to Istanbul a few years ago, which was incredible. To be honest, I feel a bit scared at the moment because it’s probably not the best time to travel, but I always get this feeling like I’m really going to make the most of it because I might not get to come to somewhere like this again.