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The American Journal of Car ology Reprintedfrom AUGUST 1,2OO2 DEAN ORNISH,MD: A Converscrlion Wifh the Editor ExctnpuMrorcl DEAN ORNISH,MD: A GonverseitionWirh rhe Edilot* llean Omish was born on 16 July 1953in Dallas, Deon Ornish, MD+ (hereofter, DOI: I was bom tsTexas, and he grew up there.He attendedRice herein Dallasin 1953.I went to elementaryschool at University and thenthe Universityof Texasin Austin Arthur Kramer,junior high at Ben Franklin, and high where he receiveda BA in Humanitiessumma cum schoolat Hillcrest.My parentskept trying to get me to ktude and gave the baccalaureateaddress. He gradu- go to St. Mark's (a private school),but I just decided atedfrom Baylor Collegeof Medicine in Houstonin I would ratherstay in public schoolsbecause that was 1980and did his internshipand 2 yearsofresidency in wheremy friendswere. I regrettedthat decisionwhen internal medicineat the MassachusettsGeneral Hos- I went to college. pital in Boston(MGH), wherehe was a clinical fellow My falher,Edwin Ornis,lr,is a dentisthere in Dallas in medicineat HarvardMedical School.For the past and still practicing.My motherNalalie is a historian 25 years Dr. Ornish has directed clinical research and before that wrote children's books, musicals, demonstrating,for the first time, that comprehensive plays, and records,and was a joumalist. She wrote, lifestyle changescan reversethe progressionof even produced,and publishedthem. I got my interestin severecoronary artery diseasewithout drugs or sur- health care from my father and my interest in photog- gery. He is the founderand presidentof the non-profit raphy,journalism, and writing booksfrom my mother. PreventiveMedicine ResearchInstitute in Sausalito, I got my best and worst qualities,such as my relent- California,where he holds the BucksbaumChair. He lesspersistence, from my mother. is alsoa Clinical Professorof Medicineat the Univer- I have an older sister Laurel who still lives in sity of Califomia,San Francisco. He is the authorof 5 Dallas. She was the first woman broadcastjournalist best-sellingbooks, including New York Times' besl in Texas and worked at severalradio and television sellers Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing stations. I have an older brother Stevenwho pracrices Heart Disease,Eat More, Weigh Less, and Love & psychiatryin San Diego and a younger sisterKcd?) Sunival. A l-hour documentaryof his work was who is currentlyin Michigan,but for many yearswas broadcaston NOVA, the PBS Scienceseries, and was a studioart nrofessorin ceramicsat Notre Dame and featuredon Bill Moyers' PBS series,Healing & The St. Mary's. Mind, and in most major media. Dr. Omish is a WCR: Wherewere you in the hierarchy? memberof the board of directorsof the U.S. United DO: I'm the secondof 4. Laurel is 3 yearsolder. NationsHigh Commissionon Refugees,the board of My brotheris 3 yearsyounger and my sister,10 years vounser.Laurel is 51. the QuincyJones Listen Up Foundation,and the board - of the WheelchairFoundation. He was appointedto Wtn: whar was home like as you were growing The White House Commission on Complementary up? Did you all have dinner togetherat night? Was and Altemative Medicine Policy. He has receiveda that an active conversationtime? Wqs it a maior number of rewardsfor his work including rhe 1994 gatheringfor thefamily each day2 OutstandingAlumnus Award from the Universily of DO: We almost always ate dinner together.That Texas- Austin: the Golden Plate Award from the was the time the family got together.I can't think of AmericanAcademy of Achievemenqa US Amy Sur- a time when our family didn't all get togetheraround geon GeneralMedal, and the BeckmannMedal from dinner. We were encouragedto talk about anything the GermanSociety for Preventionand Rehabilitation and everythingover the dinnertable. Our discussions of CardiovascularDiseases. He was recognizedas got pretty lively sometimes. "one of the most interestingpeople of 1996" by Peo- WCR: Politics, religion, what you were doing in ple magazine,featured in the "TIME 100" issue on school? altemativemedicine, and chosen by IIFE magazineas DO: Not much about politics or religion, more "one of the 50 most influential membersof his gen- about school and what was going on in our personal eration," lives. It was a good time, a solid, groundedback- WilliomClifford Roberts, MDr (hereofter,WCR): ground.It gaveme more comfofi to try thingsI might Dean, I appreciateyour willingnessto spe(rkto me not have done if I didn't have that senseof being and therefore to the rea(Jersof'fhe American Joumal groundedto fall back on. of Cardiology. We are in nry home tn Dallas on WCRzI hqve met your parentsand they are obvi- December19, 2001. Could we start by your talking ously very warm people.I gather that your homewas aboutyour early life, your motherand daddy,siblings, very wqrm and pleasantwith very little arguing. Is and someof lour earlv memories? that Drooer? DO: it was warm but we wereencouraged to speak our minds. There was a senseof disciplinebut in a *Th s seriesof inteNiewsore rnderwrillen by on unreslrictedgronlhom BrisloMyers Squibb. TBoylorHeori & VosculorlnsulLile, Boyor UniversllyMedicol Cenler, +PreveniiveMedlclfe ReseorchInslitute ond ihe Universliyof Colilor Dolas,Iexos75246. nlo,Sousolito, Co ifornio94965. 02002 by ExcerptoMedico, Inc. A1l right reserved. OOO2s 1 4s /o2 / $-seehonr motter 271 TheAmericon Journol of CordiologyVo . 90 Augusil, 2002 PI S0002-9r49{02)024864 park andin people'shomes or offices.I worked ashis apprenticefor about 2 years. When I was 14,he encouragedme to openmy own studioand sold me his usedequipment. He had more businessthan he neededso he would refer peopleto me and I'd chargeabout half of what he did because I was only 14 years old. I had no studio overhead becauseI lived at home.I did weddings,portraits, and any kind of eventsfor people.I loved it. It was a great way to make money, and I enjoyed making people happy. Separateand apart from that, I had a different type of photographythat was really just for fun. The por- traits were designed to make people look better than they really wereby lighting, retouching,and airbrush- ing. The kind of photographythat I loved was on the other end of the spectrum.I useda 35-mm Leica or Nikon and saw things as they were as opposedto trying to changethings that were not so beautiful to what was beautiful or what it was supposedto look like. For me, thatbecame a metaphor,a way of trying to FIGUREl. DOos o boby,1953. see the world without preconceptions.To me, any kind of greatart, whethera painting or a photograph or writing, is when someonecan see the world in a new way andthen sharethat vision with otherpeople. innovative way. Our growth and development very Scienceis the sameway. It was greattraining for me, a certainamount of structure was encouragedwithin leaming how to seewithout preconceptions.Some of that was very reassuring. the best teachersI studied with talked about this your Dal- WCR: Are both motherand father from directly-people \ke Garry Winogrand,who is con- las? sideredone of the great photographers,and Russell DO: My fatheris from Dallas.My motheris from lee in Austin. I studiedwith them when I was at the Galveston. University of Texas.Russell Lee, Iike WalkerEvans, WCR: How did they meetT was one of the great Farm Security Administration DO: A friend of theirs fixed them up. photographers.Their photographsoften were very WCR:. Your mother was alrertdy here in Dallas. stark.direct. black and white. DO: Yes. She'd alreadymoved to Dallas. It was In photoclass, Gany would put a pictureup on the during the World War II. I don't know how they first wall and say, "What do you see?"People would say, met. "I see this." Peoplewould actually project a lot of WCR: Whendid they get married? stuff onto the picture that really wasn't there. He'd DO: They got marriedwhen she was in her early say,"How do you know, maybethere's a personright 20s. outsidethe frame that is pointing a gun at that person. WCR: I understandthat you were a major photog- Or maybethere's something on fire that you don't see. rapher in high schoolantl that you won somephotoS- Therecould be all kinds of thingsgoing on that you're raphy contests.Can you talk ctboutthat? How did you presumingare there,that you project onto the photo- get interestedin photography? You mentionedthat graph,but if you really look at it, are not there.What your mother might haveplayed a role there. do you actuallysee?" There was a lot of emphasison DO: I always loved photography.I probably did leaming to seewithout preconceptions. get my interestin it from her. Sheearned her masters For many years whereverI was, I would take a degreein journalismand pholojoumalism from North- little 35-mm camerawith me and I took picturesall westem when she was 16. which back then was the the time. That also came in handy becauseI was a bestschool for that.I had a darkroomin our bathroom stringer for TexasMonthly, Rolling Stone,Newsweek, from fifth gradeon. WhenI was 12,I went to work for Esquire,Ms. magazine,and a few others.I loved the Tom D'Aquino, a leading portrait photographerwho work, and it also got me a presspass so I got to go to hadbeen one of the headsof GittingsPhotography and all the rock concertsfor free. Bachrachin New York beforethat. I worked for him WCR: Do you still take a lot of photographs? asan apprentice.I worked 10 hoursa day.He paid me DO: I do now, but I went througha time when in for 4 hours a day becausehe said I was learningthe medicalschool, particularly in the clinical years,when other dme, which I was. He paid me $1.60 an hour I knew I hadto stoptaking pictures. I evenhad to stop which was minimum wage,so I earned$5 to $6 a day.