Picardy Place Consultation Feedback
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Q4. Considering the information provided, please use the space below Q5. Please use the space below for any comments or suggestions for any comments or suggestions relating to the proposed street layout. relating to development of the island site. Response ID Submitted Date ANON-8G9D-FCWG-3 2017-11-17 18:22:50 Where has the taxi rank at the Playhouse been moved too, taxis are part of public transport as well. But once again they are an afterthought and treated as such by the council. How about incorporating a taxi rank ANON-8G9D-FCWQ-D 2017-11-17 18:35:47 I can not see how any of the ideas floated, other than the Sustrans one, are getting serious consideration. the gyratory proposed is a throwback to the 70s, around Europe these are being removed, yet CEC seem wedded to the car and bow down to it at all times. please whatever you do, let it pass the "yes, I would like my 12 year old child cycle though it" test. horrific. all about cars. I fail to see how I would cycle up Broughton and onwards to Leith St without numerous stops, while I wait for the cars to allow me to pass. Not fit for purpose. ANON-8G9D-FCW3-F 2017-11-17 18:44:44 Should be a strictly public and non-commercial to all enjoy regardless of ability to pay, not mixed development. It would be great if it were host to temporary public art commissions that utilise the whole island and change its form and function (aka Fourth Plinth in London). Could be programmed by the Collective Gallery up on Calton Hill and change 3-4 times per year. Funding could be through city tourist tax and taxes levied on the new St James shopping centre (both owe the city something like this). If it were to be permanent, provided it was suitably fenced off from the traffic, it could be an ideal place for an urban beach style children's playground. Makes good use of its island status. There aren't any good playgrounds in the area, nearest is Will there be traffic lights to regulate the flow of traffic onto the triangle? West End of Princes' St. or East end of Montgomery Street (which is in a Would be useful to be able to have lights that can be turned off/on to help shocking state of disrepair). Either way, a bold statement would be to NOT flow? have a Costa Coffee kiosk in the island. ANON-8G9D-FCWM-9 2017-11-17 19:14:25 It’s a hideous idea. The whole thing is car dominated. This could be a lovely area if the space was for all people, not just those who drive. The central area will be unpleasant with all those lanes of traffic . The island look horrible. Don’t create it. Bite the bullet and make it people and bike friendly NOW. don’t wait to narrow it some time in the never never. If you do, make it a park. ANON-8G9D-FCWR-E 2017-11-17 19:57:14 I know i might be talking nonsense and over budget and not in plan at all but the best way is to build tunnel crossing for pedestrians and this way it will be Rent it out for any commercial company to use it like a petrol station or. a more open and less. Clutter. Can really comment on the plan as need to Mcdonald to finance my under tunnel idea the use the money for other work see a virtual representation with cars and bicycle simulation. for the council. ANON-8G9D-FCWD-Z 2017-11-17 20:13:18 It looks absolutely terrible for everyone. Pedestrians have to cross what is almost a motorway - 4 lanes of traffic to reach the central island - which will be extremely noisy and unpleasant because of the traffic. Pedestrians travelling between the Omni centre and Tesco need to cross two busy roads still. Pedestrians need to cross the segregated cycle lanes to get anywhere, which will lead to conflict, and having these lanes will cause drivers to be abusive or drive dangerously around cyclists using the road, as many drivers incorrectly think that cyclists shouldn't be on the road if there is a cycle lane present. Cyclists are likely to go from the road to the cycle lane to skip the lights, which will annoy motorists, and may cause conflict with pedestrians - particularly at the south tip of the island; cyclists heading from Leith to Princes Street. Drivers - and this includes local busses - are forced to wait at either 1 or 2 sets of traffic lights now. Suggested improvements: 1. No road in front of the cathedral - this would remove the central island and make it a usable space. A segregated or shared use cycle lane could link Leith Street and York Place where the road currently is 2. One lane of traffic in each direction on the remaining two sides of the island to allow the pavement to be widened and bus stops to be carved out from the pavement 3. Following on from 2, bus stops could be cut into the pavement, to allow traffic to flow while busses are stopped. The island is just that - an island. In the current proposal, it's an island in a sea of vehicles, and will be noisy and polluted. In summary, the city centre should not be somewhere that should attract private car drivers - this is what the bypass was built for. I understand that the In the current proposal I cannot see any significant use for the space - ideally road layout needs to be able to allow traffic to flow, but building what is I would like to see it used in a similar way to Jubilee Gardens in Stockbridge, essentially a motorway around an island in the middle will only cause more where the Stockbridge market is - however as I said, the island will be noisy traffic. I would be interested to find out how the volume of traffic travelling and polluted, and being an island, it will be difficult for pedestrians and through the East end of the city centre has changed with the recent Leith cyclists to reach comfortably. ANON-8G9D-FCWH-4 2017-11-17 20:32:01 More trees are great, the Sustrans idea is the best. tired of pandering to motorist who think they have the right to drive any where, I drive a car and van by the way, but ride a bike around town . thanks Trees, and grass, they soak up pollution and look better than anything alse. ANON-8G9D-FCWC-Y 2017-11-17 20:41:00 The dedicated cycleways appear ti be inadequate, particularly from the York Place approach. ANON-8G9D-FCYP-E 2017-11-17 22:54:23 It needs a better connected cycleway at the front of the cathedral - it's too fragmented. In addition, the pollution claims seem dubious about other suggestions. I would recommend the suggestion from Zone Architects - it I would suggest green space given the three lanes of traffic which surround it. seems like a good balance. I would have liked this to be consulted on too, not You have two massive shopping centres nearby, let's at least do something just the sustrans alternative. Walkingcling shouldn't be a second thought, it sensible with it. It's an entrance to the city centre, so plonking more retail should be our first thought for what we plan for. there is madness. ANON-8G9D-FCY6-M 2017-11-18 08:35:41 The island concept was, I understand, required for the St James hotel which is no longer needed. The logic of having an island at all has therefore gone. If there will be extensive public consultation "of course" on the use of an island site, why is there not extensive public consultation about whether to have an The design should not be based on an island, but a T or Y junction island site at all? ANON-8G9D-FCYV-M 2017-11-18 08:57:31 Three three lane streets would only encourage driving in the area, increasing Will probably be useless as it's quite small and have to cross three lanes of noise and air pollution. Would seem like walking and cycling space is an after traffic to get there. Noise from traffic that's just feet away would ruin any thought. Would like to see more space for public transport. potential atmosphere. Will probably just get filled with trees. ANON-8G9D-FCYJ-8 2017-11-18 09:14:46 It still looks like a multilane roundabout where motor traffic is prioritised especially on Leith St. I like the addition of the cycle lane. How does that cycle lane continue, in particular at the southern end of Leith St. How do people get into the central island? Is there an option to have a tram go south along Leith St in the future? I would like to see an open square and public transport hub. ANON-8G9D-FCYQ-F 2017-11-18 09:18:12 Not good, this could be a great public space served by public transport and buses. Instead a giant roundabout has been created which will encourage more traffic in the area. Make this Junction as difficult for cars and best for pedestrians, trams and cars. A public plaza, however this should be connected to the pavement outside omni otherwise it will just be deserted. Who would want to sit in a square in I certainly would not enjoy walking in this area, far too many roads to cross.