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The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project LAWRENCE LESSER Interviewed by: Charles Stuart Kennedy Initial interview date: August 12, 2002 Copyright 2004 ADS TABLE OF CONTENTS Background Born and raised in Ne York, Ne York Cornell University; University of Minnesota Enugu, Nigeria - Peace Corps 19,4-19,. British economic history I0os Environment Marriage Ne York, Ne York - Private Business 19,.-19,, Entered Foreign Service 19,, A111 course Ne Delhi, India - Consular Officer 19,2-19,9 Prime Minister Indira 3andhi Am0assador Chester Bo les Relations 5isas Hippies Environment Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso 6Upper 5olta7 - Economic8Commercial 19,9-1921 Officer Environment AID program Peace Corps 3overnment State Department - FSI - Economic Training 1921 State Department - NEA - India8Bangladesh Desk 9 Economic Officer 1921-1924 1 Commerce India role Bangladesh independence Politics AID Brussels, Belgium - Economic Officer 1924-1922 Relations French Airlines NATO European unity Flemish8:alloon relations Kigali, R anda - DCM 1922-1929 Environment Hutu-Tutsi relations AID program Reporting Mountain guerrillas Military State Department - Office of the Director 3eneral 1929-1981 Foreign Service Act of 1981 Foreign Commercial Service Handicap hiring Minority hiring NEA - Deputy Executive Director 1981-1984 Budget and fiscal Security Beirut situation Hardship posts Muslim country postings Dhaka, Bangladesh - DCM 1984-198, Religion Jute 3overnment Relations Typhoons Security :omen-oriented programs Population program Environment 2 State Department - Office of Management Operations 198,-1982 Retirement 1982 State Department - :hen Actually Employed ?:AE] Assignment INTERVIEW Q: oday is August 12, 2002 and this is an interview with Larry Lesser, L-E-S-S-E-R. It's actually Lawrence Lesser) AESSER: It is actually, yes. Q: Lawrence Lesser. his is being done on behalf of the Association for Diplomatic Studies and raining and I'm Charles Stuart Kennedy. ,ell, to go with Larry, let's start at the beginning. Could you tell me when and where you were born and then we'll start tal-ing about your family) AESSER: I as born in 1941 in Ne York City. Q: Let.s start first with your father. ,hat was the bac-ground of the Lessers) AESSER: :ell, my family on both sides ere Je ish immigrants ho came to America in the early 21th Century. Both of my parents ere born in Ne York City so that makes me third generation. Q: I assume Lesser is a contraction of something) Do you -now what) AESSER: Yes, oddly enough no0ody can say definitively hat the name as hen my grandfather reached Ellis Island, but it pro0a0ly as pronounced something like EAess- chinski.F Q: ,ere they coming then from Russia then, Poland) AESSER: On my motherGs side from Poland and Aithuania and on my fatherGs side from Russia. Q: How about your father's parents) ,hat sort of business, what were they doing) AESSER: My fatherGs parents struggled mostly ithout success. My grandfather on my fatherGs side as a bad example of an immigrant to the U.S. He never amounted to very much. In fact, he and my grandmother actually divorced after being married for 38 years hich as extremely rare in that generation. 3 Q: ,ell, then, was your grandfather sort of persona un-nown or) AESSER: :ell, I kne him briefly hen I as little, but my o n memory of him is very sketchy. My father had issues a0out his father and didnGt talk a0out him much. Q: ,hat did your father do) AESSER: My father, gro ing up in a poor household, as the third of six children. He left school after the 8th grade and orked for a living. He eventually started a small 0usiness and became Iuite successful. The business as Pro-Tex Process, and they did dry cleaning of interior decorations - rugs, furniture, upholstery - in Ne York City. He retired in his J.1s and lived out the rest of his life in Florida ith my mother. He as some hat frustrated that he still had a lot of energy and didnGt have appropriate outlets for his energy. My mother still lives do n in Florida. Q: Now, on your mother's side, what do you -now of her parents and family) AESSER: Her father gre up in :arsa . She came from a little better esta0lished family so I think that my father married up hen he married my mother. He became a furrier in the Ne York City fur trade. I believe that his father as a tailor, so it as consistent ith the background. They lived a comforta0le, middle class life. Q: hen you were born in 1240. Did you grow up in New 3or- City) AESSER: I did. Q: How did you find family life) I mean in the first place, was it an Orthodo5 Jewish family) AESSER: Oh, no. It asnGt religious at all. Except I as bar mitzvahed. My parents made sure that my brothers and I got some religious education, but my parents practically never ent to the synagogue. :e ere very conscious of our Je ishness, but it as ethnic more than religious. Q: ,hat about politics) One always thin-s particularly in the Jewish community of such a strong sort of socialist element. Did you read Forward, the 3iddish newspaper, and all that) AESSER: In my family, in my neigh0orhood, my school friends, many of them ere from politically active and left ing families. I asnLt really a are of that gro ing up. I sort of came to realize that many years later. My o n family as not politically active. :e ere conventional, li0eral democrats, mainstream: IGd have to say e ere even Jassimilated.G Q: Own a business or operators. 4 AESSER: ThatGs right. Yes, it as a small business, really. A very hands-on business. My father as completely familiar ith every element of his business. Q: Did you get involved with it as a -id) AESSER: I did. I orked summers once I as old enough to ork in the 0usiness. I had three younger brothers. Each of us had our o n turns orking there. It as something of a disappointment to my father to learn ultimately that none of us intended to follo in the business. He ended up selling out profita0ly and having a relatively comforta0le retirement, but that ouldnGt have been his first choice. He ould have liked to pass the 0usiness on to his sons. Q: ,hat about home life) I always as- about were there conversations around the dinner table of events. ,as the world sort of brought within the family or was it not) AESSER: ThatGs an interesting Iuestion. I havenGt thought a0out it much recently. I think e had lively and interesting family conversations and a lot of it as a0out orld events, not just narro events. I as gro ing up in the McCarthy period and although my family as not directly touched by McCarthyism, e ere very angry a0out it and so I remem0er being very a are of Senator Joe McCarthy even hen I as a preteen. Q: How about the Rosenbergs) ,as that something you thought about) AESSER: :ell, I as a are of the Rosen0erg case, but I honestly donGt remem0er. That as a fe years earlier and my o n political consciousness as not engaged yet. I kne a little bit a0out it, but not to have an involvement or my o n vie s. Q: Let's tal- about even before you get to high school. ,ere you getting sort of a tradition of go out and get an education and read. ,ho was the pusher, your mother, your father, both) AESSER: There as never any Iuestion; in any case I didnGt need any pushing. Q: ,hat sub8ects were you interested in) AESSER: :hen I as little I think my first am0ition as I as going to be a farmer or may0e a fireman or may0e a ball player. By the time I as in high school I as thinking a0out becoming a psychiatrist or a novelist or a college professor. Q: 3our aspirations were going down. AESSER: ThatGs right, but I as young. Any ay, I didnGt end up doing any of those - not so far. Q: How about reading) Do you recall any boo-s or types of boo-s that grabbed you) 5 AESSER: My fourth grade teacher told me and told my parents that I should read 0iographies and I thought thatGs rong, I donGt ant to do that. From that day to this IGve read very fe biographies. I as an avid reader of fiction and in my early teens, science fiction and can I say serious fictionM Also comic 0ooks: Superman, Batman, the Justice Society of America, and later, the gruesome early EC horror comics. Q: ,ell, I was going to say, it was the heyday of great science fiction even though it was in pulp maga9ine. I mean, you -now stuff that still rings very true today. It was a great time. AESSER: I donGt kno , I gave it up and never ent 0ack. Q: ,here did you live in New 3or-) ,ere there sort of street gangs or were you removed from that type of thing) AESSER: In the formative years from age nine to graduating from high school I lived on the Upper :est Side of Manhattan, and yes, there ere street gangs but I asnGt much affected by that. It asnGt until years later that it occurred to me that all those years hen I as orried a0out getting a ay from the street gangs, hy didnGt I ever consider being one of the mem0ers of the gangs and intimidating other people.