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Official Report, 3 March 2005; C 15063.] That the Parliament Agrees That the Draft Housing Support Grant (Scotland) Order 2005 Be Approved MEETING OF THE PARLIAMENT Wednesday 16 March 2005 Session 2 £5.00 Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body 2005. Applications for reproduction should be made in writing to the Licensing Division, Her Majesty’s Stationery Office, St Clements House, 2-16 Colegate, Norwich NR3 1BQ Fax 01603 723000, which is administering the copyright on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Produced and published in Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body by Astron. CONTENTS Wednesday 16 March 2005 Debates Col. TIME FOR REFLECTION .................................................................................................................................. 15341 STANDING ORDERS (COMMISSIONER FOR PUBLIC APPOINTMENTS) ................................................................ 15343 Motion moved—[Karen Gillon]. Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab) .............................................................................................................. 15343 The Deputy Minister for Parliamentary Business (Tavish Scott) ............................................................. 15345 Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP) .......................................................................................................... 15346 Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ................................................................................. 15347 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) .................................................................................................... 15348 Mark Ballard (Lothians) (Green) .............................................................................................................. 15349 Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab) ............................................................................................. 15350 Karen Gillon ............................................................................................................................................. 15351 HOUSING ...................................................................................................................................................... 15353 Motion moved—[Johann Lamont]. Amendment moved—[Linda Fabiani]. Amendment moved—[Mary Scanlon]. The Deputy Minister for Communities (Johann Lamont) ......................................................................... 15353 Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP) .................................................................................................. 15359 Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) .......................................................................................... 15362 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) .................................................................................................... 15365 Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab) ............................................................................................. 15367 Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP) ...................................................................................... 15369 Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) ........................................................................................................... 15372 Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .................................................................................... 15374 Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) ..................................................................................... 15376 George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD) ........................................................................................................ 15378 Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP) ......................................................................................................... 15380 Susan Deacon (Edinburgh East and Musselburgh) (Lab) ....................................................................... 15382 Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP) ......................................................................................................... 15384 Maureen Macmillan (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) ................................................................................. 15385 Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD) ...................................................................... 15386 Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) ..................................................................................................................... 15388 Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP) ........................................................................................ 15390 The Minister for Communities (Malcolm Chisholm) ................................................................................. 15393 SCOTTISH PARLIAMENTARY CORPORATE BODY MOTION ................................................................................ 15398 Motion moved—[Robert Brown]. BUSINESS MOTION ........................................................................................................................................ 15399 Motion moved—[Ms Margaret Curran]—and agreed to. PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU MOTIONS .............................................................................................................. 15401 Motions moved—[Ms Margaret Curran]. POINT OF ORDER .......................................................................................................................................... 15402 DECISION TIME ............................................................................................................................................. 15403 FRANZ FERDINAND ROCKS ............................................................................................................................ 15411 Motion debated—[Pauline McNeill]. Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab) .................................................................................................. 15411 Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) ............................................................................................ 15414 Mr Kenneth Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 15416 Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ................................................................................. 15417 Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab) ........................................................................................... 15419 Mark Ballard (Lothians) (Green) .............................................................................................................. 15420 Rosie Kane (Glasgow) (SSP) .................................................................................................................. 15422 Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab) .................................................................................................... 15423 Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) .............................................................................. 15424 Mr Frank McAveety (Glasgow Shettleston) (Lab) ................................................................................... 15426 The Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport (Patricia Ferguson) ........................................................... 15427 15341 16 MARCH 2005 15342 Even the English have a version of Scottish Parliament MacDiarmid’s vision: Wednesday 16 March 2005 “He knows not England, who only England knows”. The vision that looks beyond the horizon of me [THE PRESIDING OFFICER opened the meeting at and mine, of us and wha’s like us, and even of the 14:30] next election, will fuel our future: without it, the people will indeed perish, as the writer of Proverbs Time for Reflection says. For churches, which too often fit Edwin Muir’s scathing rebuke that The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): Good “The Word made flesh here is made word again … afternoon. The first item of business this afternoon And God three angry letters in a book”, is time for reflection. Our time for reflection leader and maybe for Parliaments too, which sometimes today is the Rev Graham K Blount, the scottish struggle to make brave words flesh, there is churches parliamentary officer. challenge in trying to live that vision. The Rev Graham K Blount (Scottish Grant us vision, Lord, and courage, for the living of these Churches Parliamentary Officer): Good days. Amen. afternoon. For some reason, my counterpart in the Welsh churches Assembly office felt an urgent need to come up to Scotland to consult me last weekend. We discussed weighty matters of shared concern and then we went hymn-singing together—to Murrayfield. There is a gesture of faith for you. Even if the embarrassment of the first half was partly redeemed by the second half, I confess that it still drove me to reread MacDiarmid’s “A Drunk Man Looks at the Thistle”. Perhaps MacDiarmid and the kirk are not natural companions, but there is a wonderful stanza in that epic poem in which he writes: “He canna Scotland see wha yet Canna see the Infinite, And Scotland in true scale to it.” There is a richness in that, whether it is about the daunting challenge of testing ourselves against the best—as on Sunday afternoon at Murrayfield—or about getting our worries, our ambitions and even our vision in scale. That sense of scale grabs me most among the mountains of Assynt. I have just read a book called “Of Big Hills and Wee Men”. It was, of course, the title
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