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Kubrick: a True Artist. an Interview with Christiane Kubrick and Jan Harlan

Kubrick: a True Artist. an Interview with Christiane Kubrick and Jan Harlan

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Unfortunately, there is not much on the other films in terms of ‘the making of’. Unfortunately, of in terms making not is there ‘the much on other films the A Clockwork Orange A Clockwork Barry Lyndon Barry . She also 18. She also of on set the of hours footage JH: Basically, these are business decisions that are mainly in the hands of Warner hands the in mainly are decisions that business are these Basically, JH: of Kubrickthe making made on by Vivian Thereis a documentary AP: able when to he insist was were minimalist they credits, for opening the As standard have been today screens –TV ratio it aspect to comes the When for preparations the with Starting impor were only of secondary aspects technical speaking, Generally JH: , the creation of the appropriate image and light for the period was for was period the light creation of appropriate and , the the image we had a big discussion on sound with the Dolby men. Stanley Dolby onthe sound men. with a big we Stanley discussion had th Symphony from Deutsche Gramophone Gramophone Deutsche from Symphony Napoleon or or , and then especially during those those during especially then , and Barry Lyndon Barry Dr Strangelove Dr . It was a contractual acontractual . It was 2001 The Shining The and came across across came and it was released released it was Lolita has a very avery has . Would . he used he used you see The The - - - - February is coming to an end. Time to catch the train back to London. back train the end. Time to catch to an coming is February Tuesday chilly Ashort, ago. in second daughter, years his afew who died name, window.kitchen It moment atouching is to Anya’s next just Kubrick’s to see name from the not garden, far corner of the vast sits in the huge engraving stone the with grave. 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