MODELING DETAILS-SOUTHERN

Reference Source: http://www.hosam.com/srr/srr.html

Southern Check Digits

08/23/98 SEMRA list

Not sure if I can make this simple but here goes:

Southern used A, F, H, J, K, L, R, T, W & X on their engines. let us assign numbers to the above digits A=0, F=1, H=2, J=3, K=4, L=5, R=6,T=7, W=8 AND X=9.

Take the engine number say 3971 which is an X.

Add first number to 2 times the second number plus the third number plus 2 times the fourth number. 3+(2*9)+7+(2*1)= now this won’t work if the formula is applied straight away. If any result such as (2*9) which is 18 then you use the two digits in 18 as 1+8. Now the formula becomes 3+(1+8)+7+2=21. WE are not there yet. You subtract the answer from the next larger even number in units of 10. In this example this would be 30-21=9 OR X.

Another example might be engine 701 which is a J. Since there are only 3 digits simply put a zero in front. This will give 0+(2*7)+0+(2*1)= 0+(1+4)+0+(2)=7 10-7=3 which is J.

ATLAS HIGH-HOOD GP-38'S

Guys, I was just looking over one of the new Atlas GP-38HH models and I noticed a detail part that was missing from the shell and one that some of you may want to add. The part that I'm referring to is the toilet water fill hatch which is found on either side of the short hood of most all SOUTHERN locomotives.

Poop chute (SMRF term), part 24 in all Cannon Hi-Hood kits, look and I'll bet you didn't install them! Don't forget the label just above them. And that's the fireman’s side of the short hood.

Referring to my SOUTHERN books and my photo collection, I see that the GP-38's (and AC’s) that had this feature always located on the left side of the short hood. Not all my photos show this hatch so if you want to leave it off, you can do so and still be prototypical.

GP-38 & 38AC's were usually on fireman’s side of short hood. GP-38-2's were generally on the engineers side of short hood. Let me offer you a suggestion as to how to add this part and even how to add it to decorated models. Go to your favorite art or engineering supply store and purchase an engineer's drawing template....mine is made by Template Designs, part no. TD 422.

On this template is a series of squares and one of them is the correct size for the water hatch. You may have to trim the template to use it, but be sure to leave a square side so as to be able to line up the cuts you are about to make. Lay the template on the short hood and scribe the outline of the square onto the model. Now drill a series of small holes within the lines of this square and remove this portion of the plastic.

Trim the edges VERY, VERY carefully to get a tight fit and file smooth with any small files you may have on hand. Please take your time trimming the square by cutting once, fitting twice. After you are satisfied with your fit, paint the hatch, let dry and secure with your choice of cement. Don't forget to add a sand filler on short hood after filling in the hole left by moving the bell to long hood end.

How about the fuel filters under the walkway on fireman’s side just after the notch?? Renumber to 2741 and you won't have to fiddle with the fuel tanks! Renumber 2803 to 2879, add spark arresters and the "John A. Chambliss" under fireman’s window, install the "poop chute" up a bit higher than the 2741.

And last of all don't forget to move the "F" from the short end to the long end, and turn the engineer around so he's facing the right way. This was a retro-fit, and the as delivered units did not have this hatch. Those modeling newly delivered units in the late 1960s and early to mid-1970s would not need this part. It appeared that Southern began adding these in late 1970s-early 1980s time frame.

Warren Calloway

SOUTHERN CABOOSES

Let's take a stab at the Southern steel caboose.

In 1941 and '42 the Southern built a number of steel, bay-window cabooses at the Spartanburg shops from old stock cars and drop bottom gons. These were 38' and numbered X2282-2929. They had rounded rear roof corners. From '48-51 new all-steel bay window cabooses were built: X3139-3270. Some of these were rebuilt in '52 with welded sides. The X6868 series -- still 38' -- was built in '51 onward.

All of these critters look 'about' the same. You can fake an Athearn the hard way or the easy way. Easy, slice the bay-window roof to about 60 degrees, cement on a flat hunk of styrene and call it a night. You can replace the walkways, making the floor square all around, as opposed to Athearn’s indented steps -- and apply box-style steps. Check Walthers, somebody makes a white metal part that works with minimum filing. You can fabricate new sides out of styrene to get the window spacing correct. SRR cabooses have four evenly spaced, even sized windows per side, plus three in the bay. Then get one round porthole per end, cover the existing end and you're kinda close. Microscale makes the decals on a minisheet, if memory serves.

The Walthers bay-window caboose is really a better starting place. It's closer to the right length, the bay roof is okay, the side windows are wrong, the steps are closer, but the indent on the end platforms is wrong again. Somebody knows better, but I think the Athearn bay is based on a SP prototype. I use it for my own road, because it's really close to a second run of bay-window cabooses the P&LE bought. But I do pretend, er, proto-freelancing.

I love the Southern, it's is just a mile from my driveway, but I model the NYC and it's kin circa 63. There are reference books out there, go get'em.

Bernie Halloran

Southern Railway Subsidiary Cabooses (late-60s to late-80s) Numbers Road Type Notes

X4-X97 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new (which numbers?) X90 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new, rptd. S.R. X10-X15 INT. wood cupola caboose - new (not all carried "X" after merger). X16 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-N.&W. X20-X21 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-DL&W. 614, 670. X25-X35 CR&N. bay window caboose - new. (one # skipped?). X65-X67 G&F. steel cupola caboose - new? X70-X71 TA&G. bay window caboose - acquired 1961, ex-S.R. X122 GAS&C. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3122?) X153 GA.No. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3153?) X251-X253 S&A. steel cupola caboose - new. X255-X256 S&A. steel cupola caboose - ex-Reading (?). X258-X259 Tenn. bay window caboose - ex-209-210, ex-S.R. (309) A&EC. bay window caboose - retired late-60s. X400 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Southern Iron & Equip. 6/69. X485 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Gantt 1970. X515 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Gantt 11-70. X592 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Gantt 9-71. X600 GS&F. bay window caboose - ex-X8543. X2912 G&F. bay window caboose - round roof, ex-S.R. X2919 CG. bay window caboose - round roof, ex-S.R. X2924 A&N. bay window caboose - round roof, ex-S.R. X3099 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3118 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3136 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3149 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3151 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3156 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18439. X3169 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3172 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18441. X3201 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3227 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3265 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3291 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X3312 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. X6060-X6068 AGS. bay window caboose X6895 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-NO&NE. X6900 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-NO&NE. X6905 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-NO&a

Information from Jerry M. LaBoda 08/20/01

WALKWAY LIGHTS

Southern Railway had walkway lights on their units. These were mounted on the side of the hood near the roof to illuminate the locomotive's walkways and I think SR is the only railroad that used them. In the past when I was > in Seattle I have used fairly expensive brass castings that came from a small manufacturing source. Does anyone make these things in plastic? At a lower cost?

Alton Lanier

Details West has had these for some time now. Part #172, 8 for $1.25. You will have to fab a bracket for some applications but in many cases just clip the post and CA to side of unit.

HOGSHEAD TOBACCO CARS

A couple of observations on the Southern Tobacco Hogsheads cars, as modeled by Ambroid and Quality Craft (is the Quality Craft kit a re-issue of the Ambroid 1 of 5000?). The cars as delivered in 1963 were lettered in the then- current Southern block lettering - 24" SOUTHERN, 16" road #, 12" motto "SUPER CUSHION SERVICE" in white on a SR freight car red body.

The large "SOUTHERN" and road number were centered to left of door, the motto "super cushion service" was centered to the right of the door, each word above the next. Over the years, these cars received all the variations of modern era Southern freight car lettering schemes, including the "SOUTHERN gives a green light to innovations" scheme with green inside the "O" in SOUTHERN, 1980-era "thin block lettering", post-1982 Southern "N&W- style" rounded Gothic, and a few have actually gotten the full NS image retaining SR reporting marks. All lettering has always been white. Car body color changed from the more reddish SR freight car red early on to a more brownish hue by 1982.

The NS repaints got the same darker brown that is current on NS house cars. I don't know about the Quality Craft kit, but the Ambroid car came with decals for the as-delivered scheme, along with a well-done lettering diagram. I'm unaware of other decals for this car.

The Ambroid kit of this car is modeled with a roll-up door. This door was discarded early on as a maintenance headache and was replaced by a plug door of Southern design that is basically flat plate with 2 stiffeners and easy to model. All these cars were modified with the plug door by the Southern. Most still retain the green skylights also, which are a translucent fiberglass material. These cars are universally referred to on the Southern and successor NS as "tobacco barns".

There are about 25 or so of the hip-roof tobacco barns still in service, although changes in the tobacco industry and the containerization of international shipping have largely taken them out of tobacco service now. The remaining cars in this area are serving in rubber truck tire service from Goodyear in Danville, VA to points all over the US.

The 40-year FRA lifetime limit on underframes on cars in interchange service will soon sideline these interesting and distinctive cars. If you're interested in seeing them in service, come to Danville, VA, but don't tarry, as change happens. A few will almost always be found in the old NF&D yard east of the passenger station, which is used for empty car holding for Goodyear. You might also get lucky and see one in your local area. I'm told a lot of traffic from Goodyear goes through Conway, PA to points throughout the N.E. US.

Bob Graham

PASSENGER CONSISTS

HOSAM, here’s a consist for your info. Will send some more later when I have more time.

Southerner, Train 47, New York to , arriving N.O., Mar 18, 1947

SOU 2802 E-6A SOU 705 Bedford Bag-dorm-coach SOU 806 Huntsville Coach SOU 804 Georgia Coach SOU 3302 Diner SOU 801 Maryland Coach SOU 808 Sheffield Coach SOU 1102 Louisiana tavern Lounge

More later if you want. Jim Murrie

Here's some more. These are from Robert Wayner's book "Passenger Train Consists 1923-1973". I got my local library to borrow it on a inter-library loan. Mine actually came from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin of all places! It's about 95 pages of consists. Skyland Special, Sou train 24, Jacksonville to Asheville, departing Savannah on Mar 10, 1946:

SOU 1253 4-6-2 steam SOU 406 Bag-Exp car SOU 4056 Bag-Exp SOU 697 Bag-coach SOU 1646 Coach SOU 1631 Coach McCain 12 sec - 1 drawing room Point Lay 10 sect - 2 drawing rooms Sou 1414 Coach

------, train 37, New York to New Orleans, departing Lynchburg, VA Jan 16, 1940

SOU 1395 4-6-2 steam SOU 31 postal car W.C.C. Claiborne bag-buffet-club car Park Road 14 sections Andrew Pickens 10 sec - 1 drawing room - 2dbl bed rm SOU 3170 diner Canonbury Tower 8 sec - 1drawing rm - 3dbl bed rm William Davidson 8 sec - 5 dbl bd rm Winthrop College 10 sec - 1 compart - 2 drawing rm Zebulon B. Vance 10 sec - 2 drawing rm Robert E Lee 3 compart - 2 draw rm - lounge observation

Tennessean, tr. 45, Washington to Memphis, departing Wash. DC on 1/11/47

SOU 2912 E-7A SOU 2907 E-7A SOU 22 postal SOU 349 Bag-exp SOU 703 bag-dorm-coach SOU 1200 coach SOU 1547 coach SOU 904 Loudon coach SOU 3303 Chattanooga diner SOU 812 Charlottesville coach SOU 807 Buntyn coach SOU 1152 Memphis tavern-lounge-obs James W. Sloss 12sec-1 drawing rm Jennings 12 sec - 1 draw rm Villa Verde 10 sec - 3 dbl br ------New Yorker, SOU tr. 40, to New York, departing Atlanta Jan 13, 1948 SOU 2914 E7A SOU 2915 E7A PRR 6288 bag. N&W 134 bag-exp SOU 272 bag-mail PRR 7838 bag-exp SOU 660 bag-coach SOU 1203 coach SOU 1005 coach SOU 3163 diner Longstreet 10 sec - lounge Robert Toombs 10sec - 2 dr rm Lake Mitchell 10 sec -1 dr rm- 2 cmpts ------Crescent, tr 37, New York to New Orleans, departing Washington on Apr 9, 1968

SOU 6913 E-8A SOU 2924 E-8A SOU 2920 E-7A SOU 1750 Decatur bag-mail storage car SOU 837 coach SOU 3399 coach SOU 3789 coach SOU 815 coach SOU 821 coach SOU 2010 Rapidan River 10 rmt-6 dbr SOU 3307 diner SOU 2023 Warrior River 10rmt-6dbr PRR 8355 Patapsco River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 2353 Crescent Shores 1master room-2 dr rm-buffet-lounge SOU 2019 Tugalo River 10rmt-6dbr SOU Carolina Business car SOU Virginia Business car ------Southern Crescent, train1, Washington to New Orleans, departing Atlanta 11/26/72 SOU 6903 E-8A SOU 6912 E-8A SOU 6904 E-8A SOU 711 bag-dorm SOU 816 caoch 5602 coach SOU 840 coach SOU 821 coach SOU 2012 Saluda River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 3400 Emory River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 2008 Pacolet River 10rmt-6dbr SOU Shenandoah River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 3311 diner SOU 1602 dome parlor car SOU 6 business car ------That's it Sam, hope you like it. My eyes are getting kind of crossed so there may be typos. If some car doesn't match a name or number you have we can try to sort it out. Jim Murrie

RS3 MARKER LAMPS

03/06/01 Guys, Now that we've picked up more list members since I asked this question earlier, I'd now like to see if someone new can answer my question for me. I'd like to know how the class lights work on an RS-3 locomotive. Are there three colored lenses on each fixture or are the three lenses clear and are turned on the fixture to display the proper train class?? Thanks for your help,

Bob Harpe

03/06/01 I too have "longed" to know about these class lights and especially the colors. From my research, this is what I have found.

A few years back I bought a book titled SIGNAL LIGHTS by David Dreimiller and for the life of me cannot remember how or where I got it. Anyway, on page 61 a section begins on Pyle National Electric Marker Lamps and continues with Classification Lamps. These lamps look like the little class lights found on RS-3, S-2's and other early generation diesels of Southern.

The book indicates the lamps were electric and have four lenses which are held in by rubber gaskets. The "ball shaped" fixture holding the lenses is secured by a small hold-down bolt. The bolt passes through this fixture downward to the electric base socket (which is how it's mounted to the hood.) "Color changes were made by loosening this bolt and rotating the top assembly."

Now comes the confusing part. On one page a caption under a picture reads "… lamp shown here is fitted with green and red lenses". On the next page, the text continues "Classification lamps were attached to the front of the locomotive. Most classification lamps provided only two indications, one to the front and one to the side. Although most featured some method of changing the color of the lenses displayed, the standard colors used were white and green."

It continues further with "As with marker lamps, the combination of lenses displayed was dependent on the purpose of the train and was dictated by the railroad's rule book. For example, extra typically displayed classification lamps showing white lenses to both the front and the side”.

As I said, this is confusing as to what color should be modeled. This hasn't really answered the question, and is probably more than anyone wanted to know (or read) about this. I'd appreciate more info on this as I'm modeling the late '50's in what I call the "green years" and love them RS-3's!!! On Geeps, I'm just using clear or white lenses as that is what it looks like in all pictures.

Mike Garber

03/07/01

Found a close up shot of a Southern/CNO&TP RS3. Marker definitely has three lens. Will make print and scan. Also had some small levers/handles used the change the color of the marker.

Warren Calloway

"F" Unit Horns 1950-60's

06/16/01 SMRF list

I looked over a large number of photos and slides I have of Southern F's in service today. All I have looked at so far through the late 70's have some reversed chimes in their five chime Nathan horn cluster. The SR F-unit pictures with all five chimes pointing forward were taken in the 80's of the four final FP7's used in excursion and office car train service. In the early 80's these four FP7's had their horns changed from the original cord operated straight pneumatic horn system to the sander-type switch operated electro-pneumatic system used on most later SR road switchers. Possibly this may have been when the chimes may have been reconfigured all facing forward or possibly replaced with a new horn cluster with all chimes facing forward.

Ben Lee

GP7 Fuel Tank Data

197 AS ROA FIRS Mid 2 WATE OWNER BUIL S/G D/B NOTES O/N B/N B/D D # T # 1950s CA R T P 8210 10984 8210- 800 800 800 YE 1040 606 May- - GS&F NO - 8213 gal gal gal. S gal 8 50 8213 10987 120 1200 1200 500 Jul- 8216 106 CG 0 NO NO 12068 gal gal 4 50 gal. Retired prior to 120 8200- 1200 1200 500 Jul- 107 CG 0 NO NO series 12069 gal gal 4 50 gal number assignmen t. 110 8217- 120- 1100 1100 YE 1100 Air tanks 505 9661- May- CG 0 NO 8220 123 gal gal S gal on roof 9 9663 51 gal. 120 14479 04/51 8221- 124- 1200 1200 511 CG 0 NO NO - - 8229 132 gal gal 8 gal. 14488 05/51 800 800 800 629 May- 8230 406 A&EC NO NO 14571 gal gal gal. 9 51 120 11091 8231- 701- 1200 1200 606 Sep- G&F 0 NO NO - 8234 704 gal gal 9 50 gal. 11094 Retired prior to 120 8200- 11095 705- 1200 1200 606 Sep- G&F 0 NO NO series - 706 gal gal 9 50 gal number 11096 assignmen t. 120 14569 8235- 705- 1200 1200 630 Apr- TA&G 0 NO NO - 8236 707 gal gal 3 51 gal. 14570 120 1200g 1200g 630 Aug- 8237 708 TA&G 0 NO NO 14740 al al 3 51 gal. 17675 8238- 2063- 800 800 800 648 Jan- SOU NO NO - 8244 2069 gal gal gal. 5 53 17681 150 Modified 800 800 648 Jan- 8245 2070 SOU 0 NO NO capacity 17682 gal gal 5 53 gal. at Spencer 800 800 800 648 Jan- 8246 2071 SOU NO NO 17683 gal gal gal. 5 53 Retired prior to 8200- 800 800 800 648 Jan- 2072 SOU NO NO series 17684 gal gal gal. 5 53 number assignmen t. 17685 8247- 2073- 800 800 800 648 Jan- SOU NO NO - 8248 2074 gal gal gal. 5 53 17686 Modified capy at 160 800 1600 Spencer- 648 Jan- 2075 SOU 0 NO NO 17687 gal gal Ret prior 5 53 gal. to 8200- series #s 17688 8249- 2076- 800 800 800 648 Jan- SOU NO NO - 8250 2077 gal gal gal. 5 53 17689 2159, 2161, 2164 have 13460 8251- 2156- 800 800 800 YE 1040 507 Apr- SOU NO 800 - 8260 2165 gal gal gal. S gal 8 51 gallons 13469 water capacity 800 800 800 511 Jun- 8261 2166 SOU NO NO 13470 gal gal gal. 7 51 Retired 800 800 800 prior to 511 Jun- 2167 SOU NO NO 13471 gal gal gal. 8200- 7 51 series number assignmen t. 13472 8262- 2168- 800 800 800 511 Jun- SOU NO NO - 8269 2173 gal gal gal. 7 51 13477 Modified 800 1500 800 511 Jun- 8269 2174 SOU NO NO capacity 13478 gal gal gal 7 51 at Spencer 150 Modified 800 1500 511 Jun- 8269 2175 SOU 0 NO NO capacity 13479 gal gal 7 51 gal. at Spencer Modified 800 1500 800 511 Jun- 8270 2176 SOU NO NO capacity 13480 gal gal gal 7 51 at Spencer 150 Modified 800 1500 511 Jun- 8271 2177 SOU 0 NO NO capacity 13481 gal gal 7 51 gal. at Spencer 13482 8272- 2178- 800 800 800 511 Jul- SOU NO NO - 8273 2179 gal gal gal. 7 51 13483 Modified 800 1500 800 511 May- 8274 2180 SOU NO NO capacity 13484 gal gal gal. 7 51 at Spencer 144 MOD 16501 8275- 2181- 800 800 YE 520 Sep- SOU 0 NO 1967-RC - 8277 2183 gal gal S 8 52 gal. Master 16503 MOD 1967-RC 144 Master- 800 800 YE 520 Sep- 2184 SOU 0 NO Retired 16504 gal gal S 8 52 gal. prior to 8200 series #s 144 MOD 800 800 YE 520 Sep- 8278 2185 SOU 0 NO 1967-RC 16505 gal gal S 8 52 gal. Master MOD 144 1967-RC 800 800 YE 520 Sep- 2186 SOU 0 NO Master- 16506 gal gal S 8 52 gal. Retired prior to 8200 series #s 144 MOD 16507 8279- 2187- 800 800 YE 520 Sep- SOU 0 NO 1967-RC - 8285 2189 gal gal S 8 52 gal. Master 16509 16510 8282- 2190- 800 800 800 YE 520 Sep- SOU NO - 8285 2193 gal gal gal S 8 52 16513 Retired prior to 8200- 800 800 800 YE 520 Sep- 2194 SOU NO series 16514 gal gal gal S 8 52 number assignmen t. 16515 8286- 2195- 800 800 800 YE 520 Sep- SOU NO - 8287 2196 gal gal gal S 8 52 16516 800 800 800 648 Jan- 8288 2197 NO&NE NO NO 17674 gal gal gal. 5 53 Retired prior to 8200- 10146 6200- CNO&T 800 800 800 YE 603 Apr- NO 800 gal series - 6201 P gal gal gal S 2 50 number 10147 assignmen t. 10148 8289- 6202- CNO&T 800 800 800 YE 603 Apr- NO 800 gal - 8290 6203 P gal gal gal. S 2 50 10149 10977 8291- 6204- CNO&T 800 800 800 YE 603 Apr- NO 800 gal - 8292 6205 P gal gal gal. S 2 50 10978 17669 8293- 6240- CNO&T 800 800 800 YE 649 Jan- NO 800 gal - 8297 6244 P gal gal gal S 0 53 17673 10979 8298- 6540- 800 800 800 YE 606 May- AGS NO 800 gal - 8299 6541 gal gal gal S 7 50 10980 Retired 800 800 800 YE 606 May- 6542 AGS NO 800 gal prior to 10981 gal gal gal S 7 50 8200- series number assignmen t. 800 800 800 YE 606 May- 8300 6543 AGS NO 800 gal 10982 gal. gal. gal S 7 50 Retired prior to 8200- 800 800 800 YE 606 May- 6544 AGS NO 800 gal series 10983 gal. gal. gal S 7 50 number assignmen t.

© Warren Calloway

SOUTHERN PASSENGER TRAINS from the April 30, 1967 SRWY timetable w/E8 #6908 on cover

THE CRESCENT Daily

#37 Southbound #38 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOU

From Atlanta, Ga. to Montgomery, Al. via the WPR

From Montgomery, AL. to New Orleans via the L&N

THE Daily

#47 Southbound 348 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to New Orleans via the SOU

THE PEACH QUEEN Daily

#29 Southbound #36 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOU

THE LIMITED Daily

#35 Southbound 334 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Salisbury, Nc. via the SOU

THE ASHEVILLE SPECIAL Twice Daily

#37-15 & 47-15 Southbound #16-38 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Asheville, Nc. via the SOU

THE

Daily #1-28(SC train)1-28-22(NC Train)

Southbound #27-2(NC Train) &

#21-27-2(SC Train) Northbound

From , Il. to , Oh. via the NYC

From Chicago, Il. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the PRR

From to Toledo, Oh. via the C&O

From Toledo, Oh. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the B&O

From Cincinnati, Oh. to Coloumbia, SC via the SRR(SC train)

From Asheville, NC to Greensboro, Nc. via the SRR(NC train)

THE Daily

#17 Southbound #18 Northbound

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU

From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W

From Bristol, Tn. to Birmingham, Al. via the SOU

THE Daily #41 Southbound #42 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU

From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W

From Bristol, Tn. to Meridian, Ms. via the SOU

From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the IC

From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans via the SOU

THE PELICAN- Daily

#41-45 Southbound #46-42 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU

From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W

From Bristol, Tn. to Memphis, Tn. via the SOU

CENTRAL of GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily

#20-9 Southbound #10-19 Northbound

From Atlanta, Ga. to Albany, Ga. via the C of GA

From Albany, Ga. to Jacksonville, Fl. via the ACL

CENTRAL OF GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily

#108 Southbound #107 Northbound

From Atlanta, Ga. to Savannah, Ga via the Cof GA

Data for the Queen & Crescent

is from the April, 1947 SRR timetable

Cincinnati was known as the Queen City

New Orleans was known as the Crescent City

THE QUEEN & CRESCENT Daily Trains

#1, 3 Southbound, Trains #2, 4 Northbound

From Cincinnati, Oh. to Meridian, Ms. via the SRR

From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the ICRR

From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans, La. via the SRR

THE "CRESCENT LIMITED

The "Crescent Limited" an all Pullman, extra fare train from New York to New Orleans was begun on April 26, 1925. Pulled by the Ps4 Pacific No 1372, which was painted standard black but specially lettered for the "Crescent Limited"(photo in "Steel Steam and Limited’s" page 162). The President of the Southern, Fairfax Harrison, ordered the all Ps4's painted green, after returning from a vacation in England in 1925. The remainder of the Ps4's were delivered from the manufacturer in green.

In 1929 the Pullman company delivered the two-color green cars, before this the Pullmans were the standard "Pullman Green". The exteriors of the cars are painted in two shades of green. The sides of the cars up to the window sills and the panels above the windows are painted Virginia Green, the shade which Southern Railway passenger locomotives are painted. The panels between the windows are in a lighter shade. All the cars are lettered "Crescent Limited" in gold leaf in the upper panels.

Each train includes one club car; one 8-section, 2 compartment, 1-drawing room ; one 14-section car; four 10-section, 2-drawing room cars; (2) one 3-compartment, 2-drawing room observation car. Southern Railway postal car is handled between Washington and Atlanta and between Monroe and Atlanta, making the maximum consist ten cars between Monroe and Atlanta. (3) The Southern Railway cars are painted just as the Pullman cars with the exception that the word "Southern" is painted at the ends of the upper panels in place of the word "Pullman."

This train operated as such till 1934 when the name was dropped. The train was renamed 37 & 38 and operated with coaches till 1938. The Southern renamed the train "Crescent" at this time and operated it till 1979. At this time it was transferred to AMTRAK.

THE QUEEN & CRESCENT LIMITEDS

The "Queen & Crescent Limited", an all Pullman, extra fare train from Cincinnati to New Orleans, was begun on May 1, 1926. This train was similar to the "Crescent Limited" except routing.

System Divisions and Lines

This information from the January 1946 timetable

EASTERN SYSTEM Charleston Division Charleston and Columbia Charleston, Branchville and Augusta Kingville, Rock Hill and Marion

Charlotte Division Charlotte and Atlanta Toccoa and Elberton--Lula and Athens

Columbia Division Columbia, Savannah and Jacksonville Columbia and Spartanburg Lockhart Junction and Lockhart Columbia and Greenville

Danville Division Monroe and Spencer Greensboro and Goldsboro

Richmond Division Richmond and Danville Norfolk and Danville

Washington Division Washington and Monroe

Winston-Salem Division Greensboro and Winston-Salem Winston-Salem and Charlotte Winston-Salem and North Wilkesboro Charlotte and Statesville

CENTRAL SYSTEM Appalachia Division Bulls Gap and Rogersville

Asheville Division Asheville and Spartanburg Salisbury and Asheville Asheville and Murphy

Atlanta Division Atlanta and Austell Atlanta, Austell and Chattanooga Atlanta and Macon Atlanta, Macon and Brunswick Atlanta and Columbia..Williamson Williamson and Fort Valley Cochran and Hawkinsville Rome and Attalla

Knoxville Division Asheville, Knoxville and Oakdale Knoxville, Clinton and Fonde Corryton and Cumberland Gap Knoxville & Augusta Division Knoxville and Maryville

Memphis Division Chattanooga and Memphis Sheffield and Florence

WESTERN SYSTEM Birmingham Division Atlanta and Birmingham Birmingham and Columbus, Ms. Sheffield, Paris and Birmingham

Louisville Division Louisville and Danville

Mobile Division Birmingham, Wilton, Selma and Mobile Rome, Anniston, Selma and York Selma, Marion Junction and Akron

St. Louis Division Louisville and St. Louis

SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM LINES Great Southern Railroad Chattanooga and Meridian Baltimore Steam Packet Company Baltimore and Norfolk Service Blue Ridge Railway Carolina & Northwestern Railway Cincinnati, New Orleans & Texas Pacific Cincinnati and Chattanooga Danville & Western Railway Georgia Southern & Florida Railway Macon and Jacksonville Valdosta and Palatka Louisville & New Corydon Railroad New Orleans & Northeastern Railroad Meridian and New Orleans Tallulah Falls Railway Yazoo & Valley Railroad

Subsidiary Companies

Operating Railroads and Terminals Class I The Alabama Great Southern Railroad Company Central of Georgia Railroad Company The Cincinnati, New Orleans and Texas Pacific Railway Company

Class II Georgia Southern and Florida Railway Company Company

Class III Atlantic and East Carolina Railway Company Birmingham Terminal Company Camp Lejeune Railroad Company Chattanooga Station Company The Georgia Northern Railway Company Interstate Railroad Company Live Oak, Perry and South Georgia Company Railway Company Louisiana Southern Railway Company New Orleans Terminal Company St. Johns River Terminal Company State University Railroad Company (54%) , Alabama & Georgia Railway Company Tennessee Railway Company

Other Companies owned or controlled by the SRR Airforce Pipeline, Inc. Arrowood-Southern Company Arrowood Southern Executive Park, Inc. The Atlanta and Charlotte Air Line Railway Company Atlanta Terminal Company Blue Ridge Railway Company Charlotte-Southern Corporation Chattanooga Terminal Railway Company Citico Realty Company Danville and Western Railway Atlantic and North Carolina Durham and South Carolina Railroad Company Elberton Southern Railway Company The Georgia Midland Railway High Point, Randleman, Asheboro and Southern Railroad Company (86%) Lenoir Car Works Macon Terminal Company Memphis and Charleston Railway Company Mobile and Birmingham Railroad Company (78%) The National Investment Company Norfolk Southern Industrial Development Corp. The North Carolina Midland Railroad Company (97%) Ocean Steamship Company of Savannah Southern Rail Terminals, Inc. Southern Rail Terminals of Alabama, Inc. Southern Railway-Carolina Division Southern Region Coal Transport, Inc Southern Region Distribution Services, Inc. Southern Region Industrial Realty, Inc. Southern Region Investment Company Southern Region Materials Supply, Inc. Southern Region Motor Transport, Inc. South Western Rail Road Company (98%) Terminal Properties, Inc. Transylvania Railroad Company (97%) Virginia and Southwestern Railway Company Yadkin Railroad Company (74%)

NOTE: CONTROL 100% OR AS INDICATED

Participating Ownership In Other Companies Not Included In Consolidated Reporting

Algers, Winslow and Western Railway Company Arrowood Corporate Center Associates Atlantic and Company Augusta and Summerville Railroad Company Beaver Street Tower Company Central Transfer Railway and Storage Company Chatham Terminal Company Chattanooga Choo-Choo Company The Cincinnati Union Terminal Company l575 Eye Street Associates Fruit Growers Express Company Kentucky & Indiana Terminal Railroad Company Norfolk and Portsmouth Belt Line Railroad Company The North Carolina Railroad Company North Charleston Terminal Company Pullman Company Queen City Developers Richmond, Fredericksburg and Potomac Railroad Company Richmond-Washington Company 7000 North Fairfax Street Limited Partnership Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis Trailer Train Company Woodstock & Blocton Railway Company

Railroads Leased and Operated-Not Owned Cincinnati Southern Railway

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