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Da´Il E´Ireann Vol. 689 Wednesday, No. 1 16 September 2009 DI´OSPO´ IREACHTAI´ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DA´ IL E´ IREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIU´ IL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Wednesday, 16 September 2009. Business of Dail ……………………………… 1 Suspension of Member……………………………… 3 Order of Business ……………………………… 7 Leaders’ Questions ……………………………… 18 Messages from Seanad ……………………………… 23 National Asset Management Agency Bill 2009: Second Stage ……………… 23 Questions: Written Answers …………………………… 91 DA´ IL E´ IREANN DI´OSPO´ IREACHTAI´ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES TUAIRISC OIFIGIU´ IL OFFICIAL REPORT Imleabhar 689 Volume 689 De´ Ce´adaoin, 16 Mea´nFo´mhair 2009. Wednesday, 16 September 2009. ———— Chuaigh an Ceann Comhairle i gceannas ar 2.30 p.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Business of Da´il. An Ceann Comhairle: I call the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputy Pat Carey, to move a motion relating to today’s sitting: Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach (Deputy Pat Carey): I move: That, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, the following arrangements shall apply in relation to today’s sitting: (1) Oral Questions shall not be taken today and matters—— Deputy Arthur Morgan: On a point of order—— An Ceann Comhairle: We cannot have a point of order at this stage. Deputy Arthur Morgan: On a point of order, I ask the Ceann Comhairle to allow the Taoiseach an opportunity to apologise to the Irish people for the lies he has told them continu- ously since he was Minister for Finance regarding the property bubble and the banks—— An Ceann Comhairle: I cannot have that at the moment. 1 Business 16 September 2009. of Da´il Deputy Arthur Morgan: We need to give the Taoiseach an opportunity to apologise both to the House and to the Irish people for telling lies to the people of this island and for the impact on them of his behaviour. An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy is out of order. He should allow the Minister of State to proceed. Let us not start like this. Allow the Minister of State, Deputy Carey—— Deputy Arthur Morgan: I ask the Ceann Comhairle, on the basis of reasonableness and fairness, to offer the Taoiseach an opportunity to apologise to this House before we get into legislation that will rob the Irish people—— An Ceann Comhairle: I do not want to ask the Deputy to leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I want to hear the Taoiseach apologising for all those lies to the Irish people. Deputy Pat Carey: I move: That, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, the following arrangements shall apply in relation to today’s sitting: (1) Oral Questions shall not be taken today and matters may not be raised under the provisions of SO 21(3) and 32 on that day; and (2) The Order of Business shall be taken now and Leader’s Questions shall be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I have to insist, on a point of order, that the Ceann Comhairle deal with this issue before the House now. An Ceann Comhairle: Is the motion agreed to? Agreed. I call the Taoiseach on the Order of Business. I will call Deputy Morgan—— Deputy Arthur Morgan: The Taoiseach has an opportunity now that he is on his feet to facilitate that and deal with it. An Ceann Comhairle: I will call Deputy Morgan in due course. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I have evidence here that the Taoiseach, when he was Minister for Finance, misled the Irish people by telling them and not warning them about State policies. An Ceann Comhairle: I will call the Deputy in due course. Deputy Arthur Morgan: He was warned on many occasions An Ceann Comhairle: I will call the Deputy in due course. (Interruptions). An Ceann Comhairle: I do not want to ask the Deputy to leave the House Deputy Arthur Morgan: He lied to the Irish people. 2 Suspension 16 September 2009. of Member An Ceann Comhairle: I do not want to begin the day by asking the Deputy to leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: His policies—— An Ceann Comhairle: The Chair is now on his feet. I ask the Deputy to resume his seat. He cannot stand when the Chair is on his feet. I ask him to resume his seat and I will call him in due course. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I will resume my seat when I get a comment from the Taoiseach. An Ceann Comhairle: Unfortunately if the Deputy is not prepared to resume his seat I must now ask him to leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I have evidence here—— An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy must now leave the House. He is obliged to leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: He has lied to the Irish people. An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy is obliged to leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I will leave the House when I get an apology. We will deal here this afternoon with legislation that will rob every family in this State of at least \50,000 without their permission. Suspension of Member. An Ceann Comhairle: I move: “That Deputy Morgan be suspended from the service of the Da´il”. Is this motion opposed? Deputy Arthur Morgan: He has no permission from the people to do that. Deputy Frank Feighan: The Deputy is telling lies. Deputy Arthur Morgan: What he is doing here is legalising corruption and that is unacceptable. An Ceann Comhairle: Is the motion opposed? No. The Deputy must now leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: That is not acceptable to me. An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy must leave the House. Deputy Tom Sheahan: Call in the reinforcements. An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy must leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I am asking the Ceann Comhairle to facilitate the Taoiseach in presenting that apology now. An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy has been asked to leave the House. He has been named, the motion was not opposed—— 3 Suspension 16 September 2009. of Member Deputy Arthur Morgan: I am asking the Ceann Comhairle—— An Ceann Comhairle: ——and he must leave the House, failing which I will have to suspend the House. Deputy Charles Flanagan: The Deputy is playing to the Gallery. A Deputy: The distinguished Visitors Gallery. Deputy Dermot Ahern: Not so distinguished. An Ceann Comhairle: I will have to suspend the House if the Deputy is not prepared to leave. I will suspend the House if he does not leave. Sitting suspended at 2.37 p.m. and resumed at 2.47 p.m. An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Morgan, you are still in the House. It is out of my hands now. The House has made a decision that you must remove yourself from the House and I regret to have to ask you to do so. I have to proceed with the business of the day. Deputy Arthur Morgan: There is legislation before this House this afternoon—— An Ceann Comhairle: I cannot go into that. Deputy Arthur Morgan: ——which seeks to reward and legalise corruption. An Ceann Comhairle: I will have to suspend the House again, Deputy Morgan. I do not want to have to suspend the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I am not going to leave the House. A Deputy: The Deputy got paid for today. An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Morgan will not leave the House. Then I must suspend the House further. Deputy Eamon Gilmore: May I raise a point of order? Deputy Arthur Morgan: There is a separate solution. I will withdraw from the House when I get the—— An Ceann Comhairle: The Members are gathered here today—— Deputy Arthur Morgan: ——apology from the Taoiseach that I believe the Irish people are owed from him. An Ceann Comhairle: ——to do a considerable amount of business and I ask you to remove yourself from the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: When I get that I will happily withdraw—— An Ceann Comhairle: The House has made a decision that you should leave the House. Deputy Arthur Morgan: ——but I am staying here until I get that apology. 4 Suspension 16 September 2009. of Member Deputy Eamon Gilmore: On a point of order—— An Ceann Comhairle: I call Deputy Kenny. Deputy Enda Kenny: This country will have to borrow approximately \22 billion this year. This amounts to approximately \4 million per 16-hour waking day. This 15 minutes has cost us \1 million. Deputy Arthur Morgan: People’s backs are to the wall. They are losing their jobs and every- thing they have—— Deputy Alan Shatter: Deputy Morgan is turning the House into a circus and yet we have serious business. Deputy Arthur Morgan: ——and there is no serious business before this House to solve that problem. Deputy Alan Shatter: There is serious business. Deputy Arthur Morgan: I have respect for the Irish people. That is where we need to show some respect. An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Gilmore, on a point of order. Deputy Eamon Gilmore: There are many people at home watching the proceedings of this House this afternoon and they are doing so because they are hurting. They are hurting due to people losing jobs, businesses going to the wall and all of the bad news that is being inflicted upon them as a result of all we have seen. This House has been closed down for long enough this summer and it is about time that we got on with the business we were elected and sent here to do. There is a time and place for parliamentary stunts. We want to get on with the business that we are here to do. We are about to embark on a debate on what is probably the most serious economic measure ever brought before this House since independence and we should get on with it.
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