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DISCLAIMER Unofficial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an unofficial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The final edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Gladys K. T. Kokorwe PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Kagiso P. Molatlhegi, MP South

Clerk of the National Assembly -- Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly -- Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel -- Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) -- Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP --President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) --Vice President

Hon. F. S. Van Der Westhuizen, MP. (Kgalagadi South) --Minister of Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. D. K. Makgato, MP. (Sefhare - Ramokgonami) --Minister of Transport and Communications - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. N. E. Molefhi, MP. (Selebi Phikwe East) - Administration

Hon. S. Kgathi, MP. () --Minister of Defence, Justice and Security -Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Hon. O. K. Mokaila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Tourism Hon. B. Arone, MP. (Okavango) --Minister of Basic Education Hon. M. N. Ngaka, MP () --Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs

Hon. O. K. Matambo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Finance and Economic Development

Hon. V. T. Seretse, MP. ( - ) --Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Hon. T. Olopeng, MP. () --Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation -Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. T. Mabeo, MP. ( - ) - Development Hon. Dr A. Madigele, MP. (Mmathethe - -Minister of Health and Wellness ) - -Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. () --Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. ( West) --Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development

Hon. P. P. Ralotsia, MP. (Kanye North) --Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security

Hon. B. J. Kenewendo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon. B. M. Tshireletso, MP. ( East) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development Hon. M. M. Goya, MP. () --Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry -Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. D. P. Makgalemele, MP. () - Development -Assistant Minister, Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP (Shashe West) - Technology

Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP (Serowe North) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. G. B. Butale, MP. (Tati West) --Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. T. Kwerepe, MP. (Ngami) --Assistant Minister, Basic Education

-Assistant Minister, Land Management, Water and Sanitation Hon. I. E. Moipisi, MP. (Kgalagadi North) - Services -Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP (Chobe) - Administration

Hon. K. Markus, MP. (Maun East) --Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY ( Democratic Party) Hon. Dr P. Venson-Moitoi, MP Serowe South Hon. S. M. Guma, MP Tati East Hon. C. De Graaff, MP South Hon. P. M. Maele, MP - Maunatlala Hon. L. Kablay, MP - Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP Boteti East Hon. J. Molefe, MP Mahalapye West Hon. P. Majaga, MP Nata- Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP West Hon. B. H. Billy, MP Francistown East Hon. E. J. Batshu, MP Nkange Hon. S. Kebonang, MP Hon. K. S. Gare, MP -Manyana Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP Specially Elected OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. Adv. D. G. Boko, MP (Leader of Opposition) Gaborone Bonnington North Hon. G. S. M. Mangole, MP West Hon. A. S. Kesupile, MP Kanye South Hon. N. S. L. M. Salakae, MP Ghanzi North Hon. Dr. T. O. M. Mmatli, MP South Hon. S. Ntlhaile, MP -Mabutsane Hon. M. I. Khan, MP Molepolole North Hon. Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Goodhope - Mabule Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP Selebi Phikwe West Hon. S. O. S. Rantuana, MP Hon. K. M. Segokgo, MP Hon. B. M. Molebatsi, MP Mochudi East (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP Francistown South Hon. Maj. Gen. P. Mokgware, MP - Hon. N. N. Gaolathe, MP Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. S. Kgoroba, MP Hon. Dr P. Butale, MP Gaborone Central Hon. H. G. Nkaigwa, MP Gaborone North (Independent Member of Parliament) Hon. T. Moremi, MP Maun West TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE FIFTH SESSION OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 20 FEBRUARY, 2019

CONTENTS PAGE (S)

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1 - 10

QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE...... 11

TABLING OF PAPERS Statutory Instrument No. 56 of 2017: Sowa Township (Hawking and Street Vending (Amendment) Bye-Laws, 2017...... 11

Statutory Instrument No. 90 of 2017: District Council (Dogs) Byelaws, 2017...... 11

Appropriation (2019/2020) Bill, 2019 (No. 1 of 2019) Second Reading (Resumed Debate)...... 11 - 23

Wednesday 20th February 2019 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Wednesday 20th February, 2019 (iii) Madam Speaker, the delay in addressing students’ concerns was mainly attributed to limited resources THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. and capacity within the University, which are (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) being addressed by the ongoing transformation processes. My ministry is monitoring the P R A Y E R S transformation progress and allocates resources * * * * based on the University annual plans though funding remains a challenge. Thank you. MADAM SPEAKER (MS KOKORWE): Good afternoon Honourable Members. Let us do questions. MR NKAIGWA: Supplementary. Thank you Honourable Minister. Thank you Madam Speaker. QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Honourable Minister, I want to appreciate from you CAUSE OF RECENT STUDENTS’ STRIKE AT how the issue of management buying expensive cars BOTSWANA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE for themselves, ranging between P1.5 million and P2.5 AND NATURAL RESOURCES (BUAN) million has been addressed by the institution because it was an issue that was raised by the students during their MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): boycott? asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security: Lastly, to appreciate from you how the issue of lack of recognition of engineering courses by Engineering (i) what caused the recent students strike or class Registration Board (ERB), that are done at BUAN, boycotts at Botswana University of Agriculture and also how the issue of accreditation by Botswana and Natural Resources (BUAN), and what has been Qualifications Authority (BQA) has been dealt with? done to address the concerns raised by students; Thank you.

(ii) when their concerns will be addressed to avoid MR MARKUS: I am not familiar with the expensive future strikes or class boycotts; and cars that have been bought. I am sorry Honourable, I (iii) what is causing the delay in addressing their am not familiar with that, and maybe if these cars were concerns since the same issues have been raised bought by the Government, it is something that maybe for the past five years. I would make an enquiry about and bring it to your attention, whether it was worth buying them or not, I ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL will bring that to you. DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MARKUS): Madam speaker, The courses that you are referring to, courses that may not be marketable, I think that is what you are looking (i) The students raised issues that they were not for... What were you saying? Maybe I did not get your happy with, which covered the following; the state question. of accommodation and learning infrastructure (hostels and lecture theatres); lack of sports kits and MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. Thank equipment; coordination of field practical training; you. Honourable Minister, thank you for your good lack of maintenance of the student refectory answer, but can you unpack this word where you are facilities and the need to contract a second catering saying, ‘the concerns are being addressed,’ because company; inadequate number of wardens; and the some of those concerns need a timeframe. I am just so need to market University programmes. surprised that you just moulded up everything into one (ii) The issues raised by students have been word. significantly addressed and are being closely monitored. The University submits status reports MR MARKUS: No, what I can say is that, the problem to the parent ministry on regular basis. It is, of accommodation was addressed, it is sorted out. The however, worth pointing out that infrastructure infrastructure; hostels and lecture theatres have been refurbishment and facilities developments are part sorted out, it has been addressed. Sport kits which the of the medium to long term ongoing projects of the Member of Parliament asked for; they were sorted out transformation processes. and the equipment. Most of the things here were sorted

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out. The only thing that may still be lagging behind (i) to provide the breakdown by districts, date will be the programmes to be marketed outside the engaged and gender; and country. That is something that is still ongoing and should be sorted. Almost everything that the Member of (ii) whether the number of people employed meet Parliament has asked here, has been addressed. the country’s target of the United Nations (UN) Sustainable Development Goal (SDGs) number MR NKAIGWA: Supplementary. Thank you Madam eight: Decent work and economic growth by 2030, Speaker. I think you wanted a follow up on the issue of to promote inclusive and sustainable economic lack of recognition by Engineering Registration Board. growth, employment and decent work for all; and I am actually referring to courses like Degree in Soil if not, to give an assurance when the target will Engineering which ERB does not recognise, but whilst be met for the above mentioned disadvantaged they are being offered by BUAN as a university. How groups in compliance with SDG number eight. have you dealt with that? ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LAND MR MARKUS: I have not come across that as yet, but MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION it is something that definitely I will get in touch with SERVICES (MR MOIPISI): Thank you Madam you on, as we follow this up to try and see whether we Speaker. Madam Speaker, this answer is very long can conclude the matter. I will engage with you, sir. because it is requiring me to state the number of people that are engaged within my ministry according to gender STATE OF AFFAIRS AT GABORONE and districts, so you can imagine how long it is. So, it INSTITUTE OF PROFESSIONAL STUDIES is very long and tedious, and by so saying, I would like (GIPS) PHAKALANE to evoke Standing Order 38.4 and submit the answer or MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): the response to the Honourable Member. However, I can asked the Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, just try to summarise. Science and Technology to state: MADAM SPEAKER: Okay.

(i) the number of students enrolled at Gaborone MR MOIPISI: My ministry, Institute of Professional Studies (GIPS) Phakalane and for which courses; (i) I have over seven pages Honourable, that I will gladly hand over to you. My ministry has (ii) how many employed lecturers hold Degree, employed one person living with albinism and 45 Diploma and/or Certificate qualifications; people living with disabilities, out of which, 20 (iii) how many of the lecturers are Batswana; are staff of Water Utilities Corporation. I have one female in Kweneng Land Board and five females (iv) if he is aware that students enrolled for Higher at Central, one male at Ngamiland, three females National Diploma are being taught by lecturers at Ngamiland, nine males at South East, with five with Diploma and Certificate qualifications; and females at Kgatleng. So you can see how tedious it is to go through. (v) what is being done to address this anomaly. MADAM SPEAKER: No, I thought you said you were Later Date. going to summarise.

EMPLOYING DISADVANTAGED GROUPS BY MR MOIPISI: I am trying to summarise. I have 45 in THE MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, total Madam Speaker, of which 18 are females and 27 WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES are males.

MR M. R. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): (ii) Sustainable Development Goals Number eight asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and has not set targets for the disadvantaged groups Sanitation Services to state the number of people including people with disabilities. Therefore, living with albinism and people living with disabilities I believe with the numbers employed, we are employed in his ministry and by Water Utilities compliant with the Sustainable Development Goal Corporation (WUC); if any: Number eight.

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(iii) As I have already stated there is no set target for Sustainable Development Goal Number eight. I thank you Madam Speaker. WRITTEN ANSWER TO QUESTION SIX

Madam Speaker; my ministry has employed one person living with albinism and 45 people living with disabilities, out of which 20 are staff for Water Utilities Corporation.

(i) Due to limited time to answer the questions, Madam Speaker allow me to summarise the breakdown and the Hon. Member can get a copy if he needs further clarity. The breakdown has been categorised as follows:

TABLE 1: Employee with Albinism

District Male Female Total Kweneng 0 1 1

TABLE 2: Employees with Disabilities

DISTRICT MALE FEMALE TOTAL Central 4 5 9 Ngamiland 1 3 4 South-East 9 5 14 Kgatleng 1 1 2 North-East 2 1 3 Kgalagadi 4 2 6 Southern 3 0 3 Kweneng 3 1 4 TOTALS 27 18 45

(ii) Sustainable Development Goal number 8 has not set targets for the disadvantaged groups including people with disabilities. Therefore, I believe with the number employed, we are compliant with the Sustainable Development Goal number 8.

(iii) As I have already stated, there is no set target for Sustainable Development Goal number eight.

Notes

TABLE 1: Employee with Albinism

No. DISTRICT GENDER DATE EMPLOYED 1. Kweneng Female 28.08.14

TABLE 2: Employees with Disabilities

DISTRICT GENDER DATE EMPLOYED

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(1) CENTRAL Male 01.04.2016 Female 29.07.2016 Male 01.10.2010 Male 01.10.2010 Female 01.04.2011 Male 01.02.2012 Female 01.01.2013 Female 01.09.2018 Female 01.06.2017 TOTAL 9 (4 males & 5 females)

(2) NGAMILAND Male 01.04.2013 Female 01.04.2013 Female 04.03.2011 Female 05.11.1987 TOTAL 4 (1male & 3 females) (3) SOUTH-EAST Male 03.12.2012

Male 01.04.2014

Male 01.02.2011 Male 28.08.1989 Female 01.12.2022

Male 28.08.2000 Male 01.01.2007 Female 12.09.2011 Female 01.01.2008 Female 04.07.2008 Male 23.06.1997 Male 12.10.1987

Female 21.02.2014 Male 12.10.1988 TOTAL 14 (9 males & 5 females)

(4) KGATLENG Female 01.04.2016 Male 01.02.2010 TOTAL 2 (1male & 1 female)

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(5) NORTH-EAST Male 10.02.2010 Male 01.11.1996 Female 21.09.2000 TOTAL 3 (2 males & 1 female) (6) KGALAGADI Male 01.04.2011 Male 01.04.2011 Male 01.05.2011 Female 01.03.1993 Female 01.11.2011 Male 01.11.2011 TOTAL 6 (4 males & 2 females) (7) SOUTHERN Male 05.08.1992 Male 30.08.2013 Male 02.12/1991 TOTAL 3 All males (8) KWENENG Male 30.06.2011 Male 15.08.2008 Male 01.03.2012 Female 19.09.1997 TOTAL 4 (3 males & 1 female)

Summary of People living with Disabilities per Organisation

ORGANISATION FEMALE MALE TOTAL WUC 6 14 20 Corporate Services 2 1 3

Kweneng LB 1 3 4 Tlokweng LB 1 0 1 Malete LB 0 1 1 Rolong LB 0 2 2 Ngwato LB 2 0 2 Palapye Land Tribunal 1 0 1 Maun Land Tribunal 0 1 1 Department of Surveys & Mapping 2 1 3 Department of Water Sanitation 3 3 6 DTCP 0 1 1 TOTAL 18 27 45

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(iii) The ministry’s recruitment Policies are not biased sciences streams). Each stream consists of nor discriminatory. All candidates who meet fundamental, core and open elective subjects. The the Job Profile requirements are interviewed and fundamental subjects are compulsory for all, and successful ones are offered employment. learners are given opportunity to choose subjects from core and open electives. Each learner will do MULTIPLE PATHWAYS a total of eight subjects.

MR A. S. KESUPILE (KANYE SOUTH): asked (iii) Madam Speaker, all subjects in different pathways the Minister of Basic Education to state pursuant to will be assessed through school based assessment “multiple pathways” to learning opportunities: and external assessment. The Botswana (i) the volume of teachers that have joined the Examinations Council (BEC) will ensure quality teaching service and their areas of specialisation; assurance for both assessments. These assessments will cover knowledge, skills, and competencies. (ii) how the curriculum is packaged to enable students Assessment for certification will comprise grades to follow suitable programmes; and accrued from both school based assessment and external assessment. I thank you. (iii) how different components of multiple pathways will be assessed for the purpose of awarding MR SALAKAE: Supplementary. Thank you Madam certificates. Speaker. I just wanted to appreciate from the Honourable Minister, whether by consistently mentioning ETSSP, MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR you have abandoned the Revised National Policy on ARONE): Thank you Madam Speaker. Education (RNPE)? I never hear you mentioning that.

(i) Madam Speaker, in preparation for the MR ARONE: Thank you Honourable Speaker. I would implementation of multiple pathways, the have appreciated it if the Honourable Member asked ministry, through the Directorate of Public Service me why we never make mention of Education for Management, has created 474 positions for Teacher Kagisano, which was the first policy on education. The Aides and all have been appointed. The main Education for Kagisano of 1977 after having achieved duty of the Reception Aid is to assist Reception its goals, we then came up with the Revised National Teachers to provide safe, caring and stimulating Policy on Education of 1994. That is what then led to environment that would prepare pupils for formal the new strategy that we are having. It is built on the learning and successful life development stages. Revised National Policy on Education. So, we have not abandoned it. Furthermore, 556 positions were created for Reception Class Teachers, and all have been appointed. Of these MR SEGOKGO: Supplementary. Thank you Madam new appointments, 78 are still to assume duty. Speaker, thank you Minister. Minister, I wanted you to clarify this point, are you saying these 474 positions (ii) Madam Speaker, my ministry is committed to of Teacher Aides, you have actually hired or you have transforming the Education System in line with put people in there, without changing the curriculum or the Education and Training Sector Strategic Plan you changed it, and then now brought people into those (ETSSP, 2015-2020) geared towards improving positions? Can you state that clearly? the quality of education of this country. This has necessitated restructuring of the General Education MR ARONE: Thank you Honourable Member. The first stage of the ETSSP programme is Early Childhood curriculum and creating multiple pathways at Learning which we have started implementing, that is Senior Secondary level to enable learners to follow why we are talking about the hiring of teachers at that programmes of their choice, interest and abilities. level. So, it is ongoing and we are even near 100 per cent My ministry, through the General Education of its enrolment. I thank you. Curriculum and Assessment Framework (GECAF) which is in the process of packaging of curricula at CONDITIONS OF SERVICE FOR STEEL Senior Secondary level into two major pathways GALAXY EMPLOYEES (Academic and Vocational) and three sub-paths (vocational, science and humanities and social MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH):

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asked the Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity (ii) Steel Galaxy is involved in manufacturing of steel and Skills Development if he is aware that despite products. The factory inspectors last carried out an employees holding National Craft Certificate (NCC) inspection at the company on 13th February 2019. they are paid very low salaries; and if so, to state: The hazardous conditions that were observed are; (i) the rate at which employees with NCC are excessive noise, heat, optical hazards, electrical supposed to be paid; shock, fumes and gases. However, the employer has provided control measures to prevent or (ii) if he is aware that despite being physically mitigate these conditions. The structure of the employed by Steel Galaxy the said employees are company does not provide for the post of Safety, being paid through a company called Hitecon; and Health and Environment (SHE) Officer. However, (iii) that despite dealing with steel material under the company has assigned the duties of safety dangerous conditions, there is no Safety, Health and health to the workshop manager. The need and Environment (SHE) officer employed by the for each and every position in a company is company. determined by the management of that company. Notwithstanding this, the guidelines made under MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR the Factories Act provide that a company that PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT employs more than 1000 employees should be (MR MABEO): Thank you very much Madam Speaker having a full-time, formally trained Safety Officer. and good afternoon. Thank you Honourable Nkaigwa The number of employees at the workshop at Steel for the unending questions at the Ministry of Labour. In Galaxy is only 40. I thank you Madam Speaker. a way they teach me a lot of things.

Madam Speaker, the entry salary scale for NCC holders MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. Thank in the public service is C4, 1st notch. This translates you Madam Speaker. Thank you Minister for your into P75 624 per annum. In other sectors, Government very elaborative answer and your honesty. I have made only determines the minimum wage rates, and over and an observation that most of the time you go and do above that, wages are determined through collective inspections after questions had been asked in Parliament. bargaining. Consequently, wage rates for NCC holders What are you doing to correct this sort of situation so in these sectors vary from company to company. In that you can do inspections in a routine manner, not some companies, the rates are higher than in others. when questions are asked?

(i) Madam Speaker, I have noted that 80 out of 100 MR MABEO: Thank you Madam Speaker and thank employees at Chitswana Enterprises (Pty) Ltd you very much Major General Mokgware. Madam t/a Steel Galaxy are paid by Hitecon (Pty) Ltd. Speaker, what we normally would like to do is to The Managing Director of the two companies is initiate site visits, in other cases surprise visits to these the majority shareholder in both companies. The companies. However, Madam Speaker, we have a bank account for Steel Galaxy is at Standard constraint in terms of our workers. We have very few Chartered Bank. 80 employees of the company inspectors but we really love to be proactive and visit have bank accounts at First National Bank (FNB). Therefore, management has decided to these companies. Normally after getting questions from pay these employees from the bank account of Honourable Members especially Honourable Nkaigwa Hitecon (Pty) Ltd at FNB for the convenience and Major General Mokgware, we do visit these of employees. Management has been advised by companies and after some time, we do make follow-up labour inspectors to normalise this arrangement by visits. I thank you Madam Speaker. paying employees from the bank account of Steel Galaxy. Madam Speaker, I have to hazard that HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. it is a very awkward arrangement. These are the MADAM SPEAKER: Last one. two separate companies, therefore, they should be having two separate accounts and if employees are MR NKAIGWA: Supplementary. I thank you Madam employed by Steel Galaxy, they have to be paid by Speaker. Thank you Minister. I wanted to understand Steel Galaxy. Just imagine for tax issues; how do how much those who have NCC at Steel Galaxy are they account for them? being paid annually compared to government

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Lastly, have you realized that Steel Galaxy abuse its (ii) Madam Speaker, as I have indicated, there has employees because they usually give them oversize never been a company engaged to advertise safety equipment? It is similar to that of Domkrag which Botswana in the past three years. As a result, the appears like it has been inherited, you will use it as you issue of undermining Batswana in that respect grow up. does not feature.

MR MABEO: Thank you very much Honourable (iii) Madam Speaker, Botswana Tourism Organisation Nkaigwa. Like I have said, we carried a site visit at Steel will start working with Batswana to promote the Galaxy and indeed we found employees in their safety country, whenever an appropriate opportunity gear. Unfortunately, we did not come across any with oversize overalls or boots. arises. I thank you Madam Speaker.

Lastly, as for wages of NCC at Steel Galaxy, we did not REPORTS BY OVERSIGHT BODIES ON really go much into finding out how much they earn, ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL FAVOURS AT I have to be honest with you. What I can confirm to GAMBLING AUTHORITY you is that most of them do earn more than what the Government is paying. I thank you Madam Speaker. MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and ENGAGING LOCAL BATSWANA COMPANIES Industry if there have been any internal or external TO ADVERTISE THE COUNTRY’S TOURISM reports by oversight bodies such as Ombudsman or ONLINE the Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), relating to the Gambling Authority staff on MR M. R. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): allegations of sexual favours or valuable consideration asked the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism to state: of a sexual nature; and if so, to elaborate.

(i) how much the Botswana Tourism Organisation ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, (BTO) has paid to companies based outside TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR GOYA): Thank you Madam Speaker. I am not aware of any internal or Botswana to advertise the country’s tourism online external reports by oversight bodies such as Ombudsman for the past three years; or the Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (ii) what informed the Minister to undermine the (DCEC), relating to the Gambling Authority staff on capacity and capabilities of Batswana by not allegations of sexual favours or valuable consideration engaging them to offer those services; and of sexual natures.

(iii) if she has any plans to engage local Batswana The Gambling Authority has a zero tolerance policy for companies to advertise the country using online corruption and sexual harassment. In this regard, staff were sensitized on the operations of the DCEC in April platforms. of 2017 and a whistleblowing line where employees can MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL make reports in confidence, has been installed. As such RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM Madam Speaker, if there are any staff that would like to (MR MOKAILA): Good afternoon Madam Speaker, report these matters, they can use this whistleblowing line to report such. I thank you Madam Speaker. good to see you back. MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Thank you (i) Madam Speaker, in the past three years, Botswana Honourable Minister. You may not be aware as the Tourism Organisation has not engaged any Minister responsible for the parastatal. I just want to company based outside Botswana to advertise find out from you whether you have been following the country’s tourism online, other than an officer this question submitted to you, have you ever made based at the Botswana High Commission in any efforts to contact the Ombudsman and the Director London. The said officer takes care of all Botswana General; DCEC? I know they do not fall under your Tourism interests in the United Kingdom (UK) ministry, but I just wanted to find out if you have talked and the rest of continental Europe. to these two institutions.

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MR GOYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. No, we did ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LAND not do that Madam Speaker, just as I have explained, MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION there is a Setswana saying that, ‘setlhako se babalela SERVICES (MR MOIPISI): Thank you Madam morwadi’, if there are some employees at Gambling Speaker. Authority who experience these things, they have been (i) My ministry is not aware of any industries in given a toll free line so that they can call and report such Francistown that are discharging raw sewage matters so that they can be attended to promptly. Thank directly into the river system. My ministry through you. Department of Water and Sanitation is monitoring the major industries in Francistown for pollution MR KEORAPETSE: Further supplementary. Thank on a quarterly basis. These are; Nortex, Botswana you Honourable Minister. I know that I still have an Meat Commission (BMC) and Kgalagadi opportunity to ask the Minister in the Presidency, Breweries Limited (KBL) who are connected to whether such reports have been logged with these two the Water Utilities Corporations sewer line. The institutions. Are you comfortable in finding out because monitoring is done to ensure good environmental this affects your parastatal? Are you okay with asking practices by the industry and compliance to the the Ombudsman and the DCEC, whether they have trade effluent with the waste water discharge received the reports? It can also assist you in your policy standard specifications for sewer in accordance direction regarding the parastatal. with the Botswana Bureau of Standards (BOS) MR GOYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. Honourable 93:2012. These industries are also monitored for member, like I have explained if such issues exist then compliance with the Trade Effluent Agreement. the employees are the ones who are supposed to report Besides the scheduled inspections, regular spot them. Relevant authorities like Ombudsman as well checks are done by the Department of Water and as members of DCE have to attend to them promptly Sanitation to identify any pollution incidents. In case of incidental pollution, joint inspections are if they have been reported to them and come up with conducted between the Departments of Water a solution. The only thing that I am trying to say is and Sanitation, Environmental Affairs, Waste that I do not know anything about such matters Madam Management and Pollution Control and Water Speaker. Thank you. Utilities Corporation, and corrective action is MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. Thank taken. you. Minister, what the Honourable Member is asking is (ii) Sewerage pipe blockages is a common occurrence very simple. You did receive the question with this sort and is caused particularly by misuse of the waste of allegations, did you not see the need to investigate water network through vandalism and throwing from the Ombudsman and DCEC as to whether they foreign material such as diapers, sanitary towels, have not received any reports of that nature? blankets and dead animals et cetera down the MR GOYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. No, I did not drains. find out from the Ombudsman and DCEC. The way (a) Routine maintenance in the network is done the question was asked, we are doing something in our through removal of foreign materials as well as Ministry to find out if these issues really exist, not as annual cleaning of the sewage lines. DCEC or Ombudsman. Thank you. (b) There are also continuous public awareness RELEASE OF RAW SEWAGE INTO THE RIVER campaigns which are undertaken to encourage BY SOME INDUSTRIES IN FRANCISTOWN proper use of sewers. MR W. B. MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN (c) My ministry through Water Utilities Corporation SOUTH): asked the Minister of Land Management, has secured funds from the World Bank for Water and Sanitation Services: refurbishment of the Mambo Treatment Plant and (i) if he is aware that some industries in Francistown part of the scope of the project is to undertake a release raw sewage into the river; and holistic study of the waste water infrastructure to assess the capacities of the existing lines, the (ii) what his ministry is doing to address the sewage entire infrastructure as well as the system use. One pipes blockage that have been a common of the phases of the project will be community occurrence in Francistown for many years. education. I thank you Madam Speaker.

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MR NKAIGWA: Supplementary. Thank you Madam (iv) The company has expertise in Electronic Law, Speaker. Minister, I want to understand, is your National Lottery evaluation and has undertaken department of Waste Management really working hard extensive gambling consultancy work. These are to make sure that businessmen are not throwing used oil all integral in the evaluation and adjudication of in the drains? You are not talking about it but it causes lottery bids. I thank you Madam Speaker. blockage in many drains around Gaborone. Mostly it is oil that is used by many retailers that are found in the MR NKAIGWA: Supplementary. Thank you Madam Speaker. Honourable Minister, I want to appreciate how city. you discovered that this is the only foreign company MR MOIPISI: Thank you Madam Speaker. that could do this job. Why did you not go for an open Unfortunately, the Department of Waste Management tender, so that you could attract more companies to and Pollution Control does not fall under my ministry. I tender for this job? thank you Madam Speaker. MR GOYA: Madam Speaker, I thank you. I thank you ENGAGEMENT OF A COMPANY TO Honourable Member. Madam Speaker, our employees at the Gambling Authority collaborate with others ADJUDICATE ON LOTTERY LICENSING around the world. Therefore, they got this information MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE from others, to assist them to look for a company of that WEST): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and calibre. I thank you. Industry to state: MR KEORAPETSE: Further supplementary. Thank (i) whether there is a company engaged to adjudicate you Madam Speaker. Honourable Minister, following on lottery licensing; up on the question asked by Honourable Nkaigwa, did you not see it fit to do an open bid? If your reason (ii) the date when the tender invitation was floated was that there are no Botswana companies with the in local or international media and the number of necessary experience for this job, why did you not do an companies that responded; and open tender that would have assisted you to pay a lesser fee than what you paid? In addition, how do you build (iii) whether the company that has been appointed is capacity locally, so that this project in the future would a citizen owned company; and if not, to state the be done by a citizen company? special skills possessed by its manpower. MR GOYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. We did not do ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, an open bidding. The challenge is that, this business as TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR GOYA): Thank you you know in our country, it has not grown to a certain Madam Speaker once more. Madam Speaker, extent. It is at a budding stage, we are still growing. In (i) The Gambling Authority has engaged a company so doing, we need to learn from those who are already to be the transaction advisor that will evaluate the advanced in the trade, those who are far ahead of us. National Lottery Bids. The Gambling Authority I believe as time goes on, as it keeps growing, we has also engaged a local firm of Auditors to be the would be able to consider local companies and find independent external assurance providers of the out whether there are some that might have the ability entire process. and experience of doing the administration. I thank you Madam Speaker. (ii) The company which will be evaluating the lottery bids, was appointed on a single sourcing method MR KEORAPETSE: Further supplementary. Thank and was approved by the board. This is in line you Honourable Speaker. On the last part where you with Section 3.2.7 of the Gambling Authority said this company has some special skills; I would like Procurement Policy on single sourcing or direct to hear from you, whether it is your position that the appointment. It should be pointed out that this special skills possessed by the manpower, the personnel policy was vetted by the Public Procurement Asset of this company is not something that could be found Disposal Board. in this Republic? I just want to understand if it is your position that, notwithstanding their experience, their (iii) This company of course Madam Speaker, is a personnel, do they have special skills which cannot be foreign company. found in this Republic?

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MR GOYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. Thank you QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE Honourable Member. Madam Speaker, the reason why we ended up going the international route is because INCREASING BUDGET FOR YOUTH locally we did not find anything. If there was a local PROJECTS company with those skills, maybe we could have MR M. I. MOSWAANE (FRANCISTOWN WEST): engaged them. So for us to have gone outside, it means asked the Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and we did not find anyone locally with those skills, so if the Culture Development: Honourable Member knows anyone, we request that he should furnish us with their names because we had done (i) if he is aware that the P120 million budget for our probing and could not find anyone. I thank you. youth projects is not adequate to fund projects for unemployed youth and whether he will consider MADAM SPEAKER: We have one question without increasing the amount to P1 billion; and notice. Honourable Moswaane. Is there anyone taking questions for him? Honourable Nkaigwa for Honourable (ii) how the ministry is going to create jobs as there Moswaane. are no jobs in the public service.

MR NKAIGWA: Thank you Madam Speaker. Question Later Date. 10.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… TABLING OF PAPERS MR MAELE: On a point of order Madam Speaker. The following papers were tabled: MADAM SPEAKER: Yes sir. I do not allow points of order. When you speak, quote the Standing Order, STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO. 56 OF 2017: whatever you are going to say. SOWA TOWNSHIP (HAWKING AND STREET VENDING (AMENDMENT) BYE-LAWS, 2017 MR MAELE: No, Madam Speaker, I would not quote the Standing Order. Please listen to me first, so that (Minister of Local Government and Rural you would understand, because it does not refer to the Development) Standing Order. My question is, since the tradition of this STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO. 90 OF 2017: House, even in the 10th Parliament is that an Opposition COUNCIL (DOGS) Member cannot take a question for somebody from BYELAWS, 2017. the Ruling Party. It is practice, it is tradition. If we are changing it, I do not have a problem, but I am saying you (Minister of Local Government and Rural should clear the air. It was held by previous Speakers Development) that that is the tradition and practice. APPROPRIATION (2019/2020) BILL, MADAM SPEAKER: No, you were here and I said 2019 (NO. 1 OF 2019) Honourable Moswaane; you were quiet. You did not say Second Reading anything. (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MADAM SPEAKER: Order! Order Honourable MADAM SPEAKER: Honourable Majaga why did Members. When the House adjourned yesterday, you not say anything at that time? Did he ask you to take Honourable Kgoroba was on the floor, he is left with 18 questions for him? minutes 12 seconds.

MR MAJAGA: I travelled with him on Friday Madam MR SALAKAE: Point of order. Thank you Madam Speaker. He is not well. Speaker. I am rising on a point of order because I thought if I did not, this Parliament will live to regret MADAM SPEAKER: No, I will not allow that. The the comments made by Honourable Markus yesterday question has already been asked. You were quiet. I even because he seemed to have contradicted what the called twice. President told farmers in Ghanzi. So, I wanted him to

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confirm whether what he told this Parliament that the Bill I want the residents of Mogoditshane to call Honourable to stop the Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) export Tsogwane. He should go and fix the fence and erect a monopoly will come in November is true, because when new one because they have used a fong Kong. the President addressed people in Ghanzi, he did not say in November; he said very soon, like in July. So, I Now I am saying, others in Government who are more wanted the Minister to confirm whether this is what he competent than Honorable Tsogwane have come to our said that the Bill will come next session of Parliament rescue because I received a call on Monday that the and the 12th Parliament. tender has been approved and it has been awarded and we expect the construction to have started before end of MADAM SPEAKER: No! No! Honorable Markus is April. I am rejoicing with the people of Mogoditshane not on the floor; you cannot ask him questions. Block 5 and Block 9, God has answered that this road be maintained. MR KGOROBA: Madam Speaker, I also beg to stand first on a point of order before I debate. HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible)…

MADAM SPEAKER: Okay. MR KGOROBA: No, Honorable Tsogwane has no input on it, the poor man of God has no clue, all he does MR KGOROBA: Madam Speaker, I wanted to clarify is unveil the cemetery fence. the concern which was raised by Honorable Maele that do we operate this House on traditions and practices or MADAM SPEAKER: No, just debate and leave on Standing Orders. I want clarity on that to understand Honorable Tsogwane alone. Order! whether it was wrong for Honorable Nkaigwa to stand LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): up. Point of procedure. No, I do not know what he has eaten but he should leave me alone, I did not stand for elections MADAM SPEAKER: I did not agree with it but at Mogoditshane. Now if his age mates … have already sometimes we use even tradition. The only reason I ran and are not where he was. I do not know what is refused it is because I asked twice and nobody stood scaring him. We have helped you with the road, I do not up so I want business to continue. So tradition we know why you are complaining. sometimes use it. MADAM SPEAKER: You provoked him Honourable MR KGOROBA (MOGODITSHANE): Thank you Kgoroba, proceed. Madam Speaker. Yesterday when we knocked off I was still on Honorable Matambo, now it is unfortunate that MR KGOROBA: No, but I am thankful sir, go and fix he is not here. I am thankful that Honorable Matambo that fence at Mogoditshane. The dead are not happy is retiring to go and enjoy his pension because he is one with the fence that you brought televisions for. Again, of the people who will be asked where he was and how I am complaining Honorable Matambo. I have an area far he was when questions are asked in future. Now I called Ledumadumane. From the year 2016 if I am not getting into the Budget, I should be thankful because mistaken, when Honourable Maele was still the at the there is a road in my constituency that I have been Ministry of Lands , we were busy with land allocation in concerned about since 2014 when I got to this House. that area. It is a big area that is growing, Mogoditshane I complained a lot of times to the Honourable Vice is full, it is overlapping to Ledumadumane where President when he was the still the Minister of Local Mogoditshane meets greater Gaborone. This area sir Government, even though the poor man did not help is full of people, there is no road, they have not been me. I was very surprised that after I cried to him that he connected with water in their homesteads but I want to should come and see the road which is killing people commend Water Utilities because the area survives on because of dust and damaging vehicles, he failed. It had stand pipes. The problem is that, these standpipes have been 15 months since I asked Honourable Tsogwane to long been installed before the village grew, now where come and see the condition of the road, but he went to it has grown to people travel long distances to go and Mogoditshane to unveil the cemetery fence whereas he get water at the stand pipes. So, I met with the Water failed to come and see the challenge that affects over Utilities this past week and told them that since they 1200 people on a daily basis. He went to the cemetery to do not know when the infrastructure will be brought see a fence of poor quality which has already collapsed. to the area, they should extend the stand pipes, so that

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at least they come closer to the people because some no junior secondary school at Mmopane and the students are the elderly. When the youngsters have gone to walk through the very same village I have been talking work, walking long distances to go and get water at about. The village is still being developed therefore the stand pipe is a challenge. I am happy with Water there are bushes there and students get raped there even Utilities. I should thank Mr Mmetla Masire and his during the day. Although the road construction which team that when I complained to them, even though we will connect Mogoditshane and Mmopane is already in have not yet fixed, they came to my rescue and they the budget, we have to make sure that we attend to it promised that they will increase those stand pipes. What urgently. During traffic congestion, combis will be able we do not know now is whether funds will be available to move…. to increase these stand pipes. Water Utilities have financial constraints so we will see when the quotation MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND comes. Honorable Matambo I might come to you. I ask SECURITY (MR KGATHI): On a point of clarification you to assist me when I come to knock at your door Madam Speaker. Thank you Honourable Member. Since requesting for funds so that we increase these stand you are the Member of Parliament for Mogoditshane pipes, to enable the people of Ledumadumane have which has a lot of businesses more especially car water to drink. Still at Ledumadumane, there is nothing businesses, what do you have to say about the vehicle included in the National Development Plan concerning business at Mogoditshane? Ledumadumane. When an area is in town …. MR KGOROBA: I am talking about children who MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL get raped and a road which can protect the community AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC and you are talking about something else. Honourable ADMINISTRATION (MR MOLEFHI): Point of Member, I will address that one at Committee of Supply. clarification. I was saying Honourable should explain HONOURABLE MEMBER: Are you afraid of talking where he demarcates Ledumadumane because the other about it? part of Ledumadumane, Goo Sethebe, Kgaphamadi falls under Gaborone, how much land is he talking about? MR KGOROBA: I am not afraid. I will always stand for those cars at Mogoditshane, because they boost MR KGOROBA: Yes sir I am talking about Goo the economy of Mogoditshane. I always support the Sethebe and Goora Modisane. Kgaphamadi is not businesses. Do not forget that it… under me. MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: On a point of elucidation HONOURABLE MEMBER :…( Inaudible)… Madam Speaker. Thank you Madam Speaker. Thank you MR KGOROBA: No sir, the fence is there that Honourable Member. When you talk about roads, it is a separates Gaborone, goo Sethebe and Goora Modisane. time where Minister Matambo should be considering the It has already been erected for the greater Gaborone, we road from the airport which passes through Mmopane do not fall under that. Whether the resources will include and connects with the Molepolole road which we have us when they are brought to greater Gaborone, we have long talked about. That was going to help reduce traffic not been informed about that but we would appreciate congestion on that road which is being used by most if that could be done. So, we request that, since we are people in Gaborone. not in the development plans we should be considered MR KGOROBA: Thank you honourable Member. The because we cannot wait for more than five years in an road which you are talking about is linked to the one area like that, without water and roads. We are grateful which I just said is from Mogoditshane to Mmopane. that electricity is there, so we need water so that those They have to connect somewhere. It is the same who are able to connect water in their homesteads can package which I am stressing that it has to be attended do so. Roads; there is no combi that goes there because to urgently. the road is bad. The problem is that there are working people who stay there. Since you are failing to draft a I am grateful for the Constituency Development Fund law which will force business owners to drop people at because some parts of Mogoditshane have benefitted home when they knock off late, people who walk for from it. We have started noticing a few roads being about three to four kilometres after getting off the combi paved. It is not much but at least something is being at night get raped and robbed. While still on that, there is done. Although there is light, I have a complaint which

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might be relevant to be directed to Local Government. used to expand buildings. I long told Local Government We should re-visit the guidelines of the Constituency when His Honour the Vice President Mr Tsogwane was Development Fund because all the powers have been still the Minister there that they should not build single given to the councillors and they are failing. It has been storey building but rather build double storey buildings six months since paving bricks have been placed there because there is no land. They did not listen and went and people have started stealing them and they are also ahead and built single storeys under Mr Tsogwane’s getting damaged. As a result of poor implementation, watch. I believe that they will correct that when building we sometimes come across government resources schools in Mogoditshane because even though there is lying around instead of being used to help the nation. no land in Mogoditshane, the population is still growing Councils are having challenges when it comes to issues of implementation. Yesterday Honourable Kwerepe said We are sitting on a time bomb in Mogoditshane. When that we are given the funds. I do not know where he is Honourable Arone was… he just came in, he knows but he should know that we do not even have a say in that it was very chaotic in January when schools opened how this money should be spent and how the projects because head teachers refused to admit children at should be implemented. schools. They gave valid reasons that schools are full and there are no classrooms. I will give credit where These funds were proposed to help us since you all it is due because the Honourable Member helped me know that we always complain about implementation. to solve the situation an indeed headmasters agreed So when you go back and give councils all the powers to admit the students and as we speak, classrooms are of implementation, the situation will just stay like this. crowded. I do not know anything about the progress We always see the 10 million expenses lying around of Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP) Honourable the villages, bricks along the road, without being Matambo, but the truth of the matter is that we did not used. We do not know what the problem is. The other benefit much from it at Mogoditshane because we still thing is that during the infrastructure development of have a challenge of overcrowded classrooms. I was Mogoditshane, about 70 to 80 per cent or 75 per cent wondering if we cannot come up with another better of the sewage system was constructed. We are grateful and well executed special dispensation similar to ESP that the government constructed a sewage system for us which can provide us with P2 billion because I know but companies who constructed it 20 years ago did not that the challenge of overcrowded classrooms is there in complete the construction. There are still some parts of Gaborone schools. When there is liquidation at Phikwe Mogoditshane which do not have a sewage system and and Tati Nickel, everyone moves to Gaborone to look it seems like the budget was not enough. I have been for …that is why we have so much influx of people and students in Gaborone schools... at Water Utilities and we are working on a quotation to see how much it will cost for the spots which do not HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of have sewage. Minister Matambo, I will come back to clarification Madam Speaker. you because extending developments...I know that the infrastructure development is ongoing at Honourable MR KGOROBA: Can we not come up with a special Maj. Gen. Mokgware’s Constituency and I am sure that dispensation…, no, my time is running out. To come the sewage system is part of the developments. It is up with ways to expedite the situation of schools in not conventional that we moved the developments to Gaborone by expanding classrooms and building double Molepolole and Thamaga while Mogoditshane was storeys at Mogoditshane and other areas. That is what I left an incomplete job. I would like us to complete the am asking for. Mogoditshane sewage system so that when we say Another issue which is a concern is that of the situation that we are preserving underground water, we are sure at Police stations. For a long time Mogoditshane Police that there are no pit latrines in Mogoditshane because Station has been operating with one vehicle. Can we we have provided a sewage system that can serve combat crime under such circumstances where there are everybody. no police vehicles? Mogoditshane should not be much Schools; I am worried about schools. We no longer have of a challenge because it is an island. If the challenge is land in Mogoditshane, we do not have anywhere to shortage of funds, why can you not go and buy 10 or 15 expand in order to build schools. Because people are not cars at Mogoditshane so that the police can use them? clever, the schools, we have little space which can be Honda fit is still fine it can move around Mogoditshane

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even though we have poor roads. It will be better to give Members of the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP). them 10 or 15 Honda Fit cars instead of them having to The contrived attack however on the Leader of the use one vehicle to help a population of 62,000 people Opposition would not deter him nor would it scare him. in Mogoditshane. This large population promotes high His eyes are on the ball, the trajectory is under control, crime rates but the Police officers have not been provided the State House is the place in 2019. with enough resources. Let us review our standards and maybe lower them a bit because now we are failing to HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… buy Land Cruisers and Hiluxes as it was the common MR KESUPILE: Honourable Boko stated clearly that practise. If there is a challenge, then the money that we he will attend to the urgent question of jobs. Note the were using to buy Hilux or Land Cruiser we can use it 100 000 jobs in the first 12 months and the explanations to buy 10 Honda Fit cars and continue doing the work. that my colleagues gave with respect to how these 100 Consider it Honourable Minister. I thank you Madam 000 jobs would be attained. Note his interest on wages, Speaker. and the examples regarding the minimum living wage. Note his interest on the labour issues. You will agree MR KESUPILE (KANYE SOUTH): Thank you very with me that he said most of what the BDP should be much. Madam Speaker, Parliament is our pride. Allow happy about. He steadfastly defended and fended off me therefore, to pass my award of honour to your Deputy the criticisms that the BDP made. He continued to show Honourable Kagiso Molatlhegi, who has been with us great fortitude, therefore, there can no longer be claim during the time when you were trying to recover. I know that there is no alternative to the BDP rule. we do not too often agree with him, but his stewardship of this House in debate has occasionally left us with I want to thank you Honourable Ndaba Gaolathe, exciting episodes of fear and pleasure, particularly Leader of the Minority Opposition. We know that he too when he calls for peace in the House, with great gusto, clearly stated that he will attend to the urgent question; while clasping onto his gown firmly, concealing the the question of jobs. Note his desire for home grown cruelty with which he would descend on those with the technology, for leadership in the mines and other fields. proclivity to disobedience. Note his pro-multinational enterprise approach. Note the opening up of the need sector with lessons for other MADAM SPEAKER: I ask that you talk nicely of my sectors. My only excuse for reminding you of what Deputy. the giants in the opposition have said is because I am MR KESUPILE: Let me thank Honourable Kenneth setting in motion, a conditioning process, so that the Matambo, the Minister of Finance, who came once BDP should never again claim and continue to think that again to this Parliament to perform an honours’ duty of there is no alternative to their rule. presenting the Budget proposal. I hope the Honourable Minister will not think of me being sarcastic or Batswana attach great importance to the Budget proposal, contentious when I tell him that I found him in an that many of them throng the premises of Parliament th unusually excited mood when he presented his Budget on the 4 of February, speaks to its unquestionable proposals. You carried the smile that kept on returning importance. According to the records of the Public to your lips, particularly when you were taking a glance Relations Unit of this Parliament, over 384 people were at the Members of the opposition, you gesticulated with physically here to listen to the Budget proposals. Many, great satisfaction, demonstrating your agreement with I believe listened to their radios while others listened the proposals you are presenting. In your characteristic to the televisions. Batswana congregate to the capital at style, you repeated some words and phrases with this time of the year because it is here where the journey good diction. I remained curious throughout your of their hope began. A hope for critical infrastructure to presentation, expecting something unusual to happen, be established and developed to grow the economy and but it did not happen, but I still feel something sinister to create jobs. Developments that improve the living was going on somewhere. conditions of many Batswana during the 52 years. Some Batswana enjoy better quality of life but others do not, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… and I want to weigh very heavily on the poor.

MR KESUPILE: I thank the Leader of the Opposition, In the Southern District, 52 years have created the magnificent Honourable Duma Boko, for his a painful situation of the have-not. These response that preceded the plethora of worthwhile are people who have lost everything that they had, and responses from my colleagues in the opposition and the those who never had anything that others have. I want to

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believe Madam Speaker, that you are familiar with what poverty. They have nowhere else. This recognition I could call a Traditional Property Ownership System, will be easy and very prudent for a speedy decision to (Tra-POS). This is a system where a family will have establish a universal pension scheme. It can turn around property at the village in Thamaga, at the cattle post and if this Government can accept the fact that people at the lands; in a triangle kind of situation. The greater with disabilities are left to struggle on their own until part of the families’ life will be spent in this triangle. a medical doctor and a social worker assesses one and Over the 52 years, this triangle has been affected in finds the person incontinent. Incontinent meaning this is many, many different ways. In the positive, others did a person whose disability is so profound that he or she not only acquire property in the villages, they acquired cannot do anything by himself or herself. properties in town, making areas where they have properties into four different places. They will have a It can turn around Madam Speaker if this Government property at the village, where they will have a home or can recognise that Non-Governmental Organisations houses and they will have a business plot, at the lands, (NGOs) have been locked out by Government, banned a property in town and at the cattle post. A rectangular on being the only one on the stage distributing blankets shape in which the family will spend the rest of its life and building houses without toilets and buying votes. in the most valuable time. Present policies of this Government cannot eradicate poverty, they will not even eradicate abject poverty. Others have added another arm, it is property at the My heart is heavy with grief for I know as I speak, village, in town, at the lands, cattle post and at a farm. as I do; communities, families in the villages of Sesu, A pentagonal kind of shape is where they will spend Selokolela, Seherelela, Tsonyane, Betesankwe, Lehoko, greater part of their lives. Madam Speaker, others have Lobutse and East, poverty is eating into equally slided down from a triangular shape, they went them. In some, it is eating into their bones. to simply two areas where their assets are; a home in the village and a place at the cattle post and spend most Madam Speaker, Statistics Botswana through the Multi- of their time moving up and down. Others Madam Topic Household Survey of 2015/2016, developed a Speaker, have equally lost everything to a single plot very interesting picture. The areas of Gantsi, with an in which a person lives. It may be at the cattle post or it estimated population of 45 092 have 36 per cent of may be at home in the village. Others have gone even poor population; Kweneng West with 52 490 estimated deeper down the pit, they do not have a single home, population has a population of poor people at 51 per not a plot of land on which they could build anything. cent; Kgalagadi South with a population of 24 900 has a This is what developments over the 52 years have done population of poor people at 40 per cent; Ngwaketse West to other people. These are the people who are hard-hit at the population of 40 per cent as well. These four areas by life and who cannot make it in life. This Government Madam Speaker, form a belt of poverty in the South and tells us they will wait for them to go down and slide Western part of the country. They form a belt because down and down until they qualify to be called people Gantsi area joins Kweneng West; Kweneng West joins in abject poverty. Then they can begin to receive some Kgalagadi South; Kgalagadi South joins Ngwaketse kind of special attention. West. They form a belt that has encircled Kgalagadi North with 13 per cent of poor people. Madam Speaker, I want to believe this situation can be turned around I want to believe we have been let down by the policies and it needs this Government to accept that it takes and programmes of this Government. forever for people to acquire land. It takes forever for children of an adult who had applied for land, if that In the period or the time of National Development Plan person passes away, these children cannot pursue the (NDP) 9 (2003-2004 to 2008-2009), this Government parents’ application and acquire it in order to get land. promised a dual carriageway. Imagine where we will be It can be turned around if this Government agrees and had these happened. A dual carriageway from Gaborone accepts the fact that the unemployed youth with a plot to Ramotswa, Lobatse, Molepolole, near Dibete and are forced to sell it to buy clothes, food and even pay Thamaga would certainly have boosted transport and for medication for their parents. It can turn around if the economies of the villages that are very close to this Government can accept the fact that many of our Gaborone. Imagine where we would be Madam Speaker brothers, many of our parents who worked as industrial if funds that are not utilised by Central Government class for this country, when they retire, they retire into were used to augment the allocations of our districts

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and town councils. Imagine where we would be if the Madam Speaker, we want electricity. A village of mine labour issues were being promptly disposed of and was promised 20 solar power lights. They are still the unions viewed as partners and not viewed with awaited today. Honourable Molale went to the village, disdain. Imagine where we would be Madam Speaker addressed the villagers, they looked at him with great if Permanent Secretaries and Chief Executives of State excitement because they knew this is the man who Enterprises were left free to provide leadership in promised us, who is going to give us the 20 lights. setting and driving this strategic goals of their ministries They are still coming, yet one of the Ministers who and enterprises, and ministers were concentrating on was responsible, for a very brief time, to overlook this developing the strategic direction, the vision setting, particular project has the solar power lights glittering playing the public relations as they do at Dikgotla, in his own village. This is just not right. Those lights and doing the normal duty of being messengers of the must come. Madam Speaker, we want power in the President. Remember Madam Speaker, we are failed by villages that have been yearning and crying for power inability of this Government to implement projects and throughout the years, and this we await anxiously, and I programs in time and as planned. want to believe it will come. Madam Speaker, maintenance of infrastructure or Madam Speaker, this country needs roads across the facilities that were developed with very high cost in this length and breadth of this country. Roads to open up country are not receiving the attention that they should, the north so that it can be closer and nearer to the east. yet a lot of money goes into maintenance. I want to Roads to open the south so that it can be closer and believe the various ministries if they are cracking the nearer to the north. Roads to traverse this country, tarred whips properly, they will discover that a lot of money has roads Madam Speaker, not dirt roads. This country been misappropriated that had to deal with maintenance Madam Speaker, needs quality health. It is not healthy of Government facilities. for a Minister to come into this Parliament and tell us that we have problems with giving you quality health I speak of schools that have no blackboards and windows. care, because the doctors or hospitals with which we I speak of schools where the basic infrastructure, the basic furniture that should have been replaced, has not deal in South Africa are very expensive, that is not what been replaced. I speak of hospitals without drugs in we pay tax for. this day and age. Drugs that are needed by people for We pay tax so that quality infrastructure is developed hypertension and diabetes are not enough in this country in our land; that is what we have toiled for, for over and they run from chemist to chemist, but cannot find 52 years; that is what we have been yearning for 52 them. The only thing is for them to go to South Africa. years; that is what people have been striving for, for 52 Madam Speaker, we deserve better because we are years; that is what we deserve Madam Speaker; quality good citizens, and good citizens pay tax and dues. This services. How many more 52 years must come before Government must therefore, provide that which it must this country can be equal to the countries that took the urgently provide to the people of this country. I thank mantle of independence at the same time? We keep you Madam Speaker. harping on the success of Mauritius because it is in the region, it has more or less the same level of population, MR NTLHAILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): it was equally poor at the time they took off, but it is far Thank you Madam Speaker. Let me start by welcoming ahead of us. you back to work after attending to your health; we are grateful for the fact that you are well, and that you are The Old age pension that starts at 65 years starts at 60 here with us. years in Mauritius. Women who lose jobs are given MADAM SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba, please workshops to be trained so that they can find jobs, allow him to debate. No, he is pointing at Honourable not in this country, but in Mauritius. Those who find Keorapetse. Only one of you can go out. Please continue themselves in very difficult circumstance, equal to the Honourable Member. ones that I have been demonstrating or describing, they do not only get packages of mealie meal, they get MR NTLHAILE: Madam Speaker, I would like to cooking gas as well. Where do our own parents go for take this time to greet the electorates of the Jwaneng- firewood when there is no firewood anywhere? There is Mabutsane constituency, who played a role in bringing no firewood coming into Gaborone and in Molepolole. me to Parliament to become their representative and Gas is what they must use to cook the mealie meal. have a voice in Parliament…

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MADAM SPEAKER: Let me confirm the number MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND first. The Whip is saying we are not quorated. Please go COMMUNICATIONS (MS MAKGATO): and call them. We just need one more Member, so please Clarification. Thank you Honourable Speaker. I like take your seat in the meantime. the way the Honourable Member is debating. Can he please ask Honourable Boko and Honourable Ndaba on “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” my behalf, what are the radical transformations which MR SPEAKER (MR MOLATLHEGI): Order they are equating to the Budget, which can help us to go Honourable Members… where he wants us to go.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR NTLHAILE: Mr Speaker, it is important for Batswana to remove the Botswana Democratic Party MR SPEAKER: Order! Take your seats. Proceed which they gave a last chance to prove themselves, Honourable Ntlhaile. but this budget which is presented before Batswana is embarrassing. Mr Speaker, we have to elaborate that MR NTLHAILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): this Budget, is for the rich and the privileged who Thank you Mr Speaker. It is quiet shocking Mr Speaker are represented in this Parliament by the BDP regime that as we are in the last session of Parliament, the through their policies. These are capitalist policies... Minister presents a budget proposal which he wants Batswana to believe that they are going to benefit from. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… He gave his Budget Speech a name, he boasted and said that the intention of this Budget is to consolidate MR NTLHAILE: Listen VT. The capitalist, the rich if I can paraphrase, consolidating development gains people whose Budget has been put before Parliament for further economic transformation. He wants to are represented by the BDP Government because of the give Batswana false hope Mr Speaker. It is important policies they pursue. So, this Budget is for 1 per cent for us to place Batswana in a position to understand of the rich and the privileged in Botswana. It has got so that they completely lose hope in the Government nothing to do with Batswana who are under oppression of the Botswana Democratic Party because what of a merciless leadership; which does everything, where Honourable Matambo did with the current Budget, is to the Minister responsible for looking after the resources violate Batswana’s ability to think and make informed of the country is a spectator when there is looting. And decisions so that they think that the Government of the he does not even have the decency to stand up and Botswana Democratic Party has something to offer. She apologise that as members of Botswana Democratic is a Government who makes false promises through the Party, our Government has failed, it has been harboring Budget Mr Speaker. corruption. Why are you not doing that Honourable Minister? The important thing is that Honourable Matambo failed to show the paradigm shift for the country’s HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible)… developments through the Budget Speech. Why I am MR NTLHAILE: It is typical. It is just like that. saying this? It is because Vision 2016 and National Development Plan (NDP) 10 have failed Mr Speaker. MR KEORAPETSE: Elucidation. You are on point, This country; this nation is in pain because even after what is worse is that the Minister does not have a 53 years, we are where we are, settled with income slightest idea; he cannot tell us how much was stolen from the Government under his watch. He cannot tell inequality, unemployment and poverty which were you because he does not know. He does not even know caused by the macroeconomic policies of Botswana how much corruption costs in terms of percentage of Democratic Party (BDP). Honourable Matambo did not Gross Domestic Product (GDP). give us anything which shows that there is a paradigm shift, which can make transformation from what the HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Government of Botswana Democratic Party has been doing things; in running the economy. We are talking MR KEORAPETSE: Sir! about the same fiscal, monetary and exchange rate HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… policies; nothing has changed. The same policies which have generated, even the programmes which generated MR KEORAPETSE: Ah! Did you not hear Honourable the situation that we are in… Gaolathe giving an estimation of 30 per cent?

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Clarification. We are listening to you MR KEORAPETSE: Yes he did. He gave you an Honourable Member and we respect your ideas. We estimation, challenging you to come up with a figure want to help each other because everyone can stand here of how much corruption ranges. Today the European Union (EU) have blacklisted you because of these and ridicule this budget. Can you please explain to us issues of corruption. what you mean by saying that it is not pro-poor. What have you noticed that compels you to say it is not pro- MR NTLHAILE: You are on point Honourable. poor? You should help us and support your thinking. MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL You are just deliberating on your thinking but you are AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC not bringing forth the budget to show how it is from the ADMINISTRATION (MR MOLEFHI): Correction. figures and policies inside it. I want to correct and dispute Honourable Keorapetse’s MR NTLHAILE: Thank you Honourable Vice statements that Botswana has been blacklisted because President (VP)… of corruption. The issue we are currently discussing is HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. the gray list, we made laws we passed here of Eastern and Southern Africa Anti-Money Laundering Group MR SPEAKER: Who are you elucidating to, to (ESAAMLG). We have not yet made policies to Tsogwane? implement those laws. That is the only reason why they HONOURABLE MEMBER: To Ntlhaile, he was stopped us. already standing. MR SPEAKER: We are running out of time because of HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… correction. Proceed Honourable Ntlhaile. HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, I have been listening MR NTLHAILE: Honourable Minister, the Budget to him. Speech did not inform us what your ministry is going HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… to do to assist other different ministries to ensure that HONOURABLE MEMBER: He has yielded. when they prepare their budgets and before they present them, they have carried out intense research to know HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… where there is great need. In other words, I am calling MR SPEAKER: Let him take the floor first. your Government to order ministries to not only focus on economic growth. You should also budget, having MR KEORAPETSE: Elucidation. One of the examples in mind the pro poor type of Budget so that we identify that makes this Budget not pro-poor like Honourable where the underprivileged could be included in the Ntlhaile was saying is that, right now at South Africa economic growth. Your Budget Speech lacks that focus Tito Mboweni is saying that R2.8 billion will go to eradication of pit latrines. That is a pro-poor posture. to show how you are going to drive or guide other Tell us how much is going to the eradication of pit ministries and encourage them to move away from the latrines in Honourable Matambo’s Budget? That is not historical incremental budgeting. That is the problem pro-poor. we want to highlight here Honourable Minister. In other words, this Budget Speech is not talking to a parent at HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… Thankane who lives under abject poverty. Honourable Matambo, just yesterday, parents were up in arms at LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Point of procedure. Let us listen to each other. Thankane village because their children do not receive Honourable Ntlhaile, I asked for a procedure… any education. Schools have long re-opened Honourable Matambo, and this is where your Budget needs to talk to HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… our people in the rural areas because that is where there MR TSOGWANE: Honourable Ntlhaile, I was saying is a need… I asked for a procedure. Honourable Keorapetse is just derailing us from procedures of this House. I sought for HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. clarification but he responding to me even though he is MR NTLHAILE: …and poverty there. That is the not on the floor. I do not know how he is responding to situation we are trying to highlight. me.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: No, leave Honourable Keorapetse, he is not on the floor. Let us listen to what Honourable MR TSOGWANE: No, that is what I am telling him. Ntlhaile is saying. That is why I am saying procedure… MR NTLHAILE: Mr Speaker, I was stating that this HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... Budget Speech is not talking to at Thankane residents. MR TSOGWANE: I am talking to the Speaker. I am One of the challenges they are facing is that ever since saying that Honourable… schools re-opened, there are no teachers, furniture, nothing. Now you know what that means? This means HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... that with the quality of education declines and more pupils at Thankane fail, they are also going to fail in MR TSOGWANE: Procedure is directed to the life. These re the very same children who Honourable Speaker. What are you saying? Molale and other farm owners are going to abuse at their HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... farms. This is how…

MR TSOGWANE: No, I am telling the Speaker that MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR this is out of procedure. ARONE): Point of order. Thank you Mr Speaker. The Honourable Member is out of order because first, MR SPEAKER: No, Honourable Tsogwane, address he is misleading the House. Secondly, he is imputing me this side. improper motives. He is completely wrong to say the school… Honourable Ntlhaile, you should learn to MR TSOGWANE: This is out of procedure because debate. Help us with numbers, to simply say in this you cannot answer me while I asked for clarification country, this particular school does not have teachers from the Honourable Member on the floor. We know even small kids will be surprised by your statement. that when one seeks procedure, the clocks stops. You Give us the numbers that will help you. To come and cannot answer me using a point of elucidation before turn this Parliament into a political rally will not help the person who is supposed to answer me does so. That the people you are representing. Give me the numbers? is wrong Mr Speaker. Copy from people like Honourable Salakae and MR SPEAKER: The most important thing is that I gave Honourable Kgoroba, they raise issues because they are Honourable Ntlhaile the floor before the elucidation. really serious. To come here and say that there are no You asked for clarification from Honourable Ntlhaile so teachers at school then you are saying zero, it is not true. I believe that he will answer you. MR SPEAKER: When you speak you should take time HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. to understand what you are saying, you could have said there is a shortage of teachers. Correct your statement MR NTLHAILE: Pro-poor Budget Mr Speaker… Honourable Member. Honourable Members MR NTLHAILE: Mr Speaker, it was very chaotic at MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND Itholoke village yesterday. Parents contested. Jwaneng COMMUNICATIONS (MS MAKGATO): Procedure. and Kanye Education officers had to rush to Itholoke My procedure is very simple Mr Speaker, Honourable School due to the fact Standard Two pupils have not Keorapetse knows the procedures of this Parliament. He been taught anything since schools re-opened. Perhaps commented intentionally so that he can derail and tell us the Minister is not aware but I am here today to tell him that at South Africa they are discussing about pit latrines that there are those challenges. Mr Speaker, this kind of and so forth. We want him to stand and tell where in a situation shows that there are problems in Botswana Honourable Boko and Honourable Ndaba’s speech which we cannot hide anymore. The state of education there is a section about pit latrines which he thinks just in Botswana Mr Speaker is disheartening… because we did not mention then we are not clever. You should put him in order for hijacking the debate and HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... taking us out order. MR NTLHAILE: …it worsens every day. We should HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. not be trying to hide anything.

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Mr Speaker, I want to indicate as I already had that the Honourable Matambo, how do you convince Batswana Budget Speech is not talking to people at Jwaneng- that indeed what you are saying you are planning to do Mabutsane areas. When you go to Mokhomma land to alleviate poverty is not just rhetoric, empty talk or Samane, Mokhomma is about 15 kilometers from promises? Jwaneng, people there are suffering because there are no HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR amenities like water. Mr Speaker, there is no road which TSOGWANE): On a point of clarification Mr Speaker. could be connecting them to areas like Mokhomma or Honourable Member perhaps I must draw your attention Samane to access better services. The situation has been to paragraph 34 of the Budget. I heard you talking about like this for the past 53 years Honourable Molale… electricity in one area. The thing is we are not yet at Committee Stage. The same things that you are talking HONOURABLE MEMBER: Eish! about are included there. Electricity is going to be connected in areas where there is no electricity, about 43 MR NTLHAILE: …under your watch as the Permanent new villages, and that electricity is going to be pro-poor Secretary to the President. We are in this situation because because it has the standard fee of P5, 000.00 mainly to Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) Government, has decided to disregard Jwaneng-Mabutsane Constituency help the poor. I thank you. together with its representatives. Fortunately, they have MR NTLHAILE: Is that all you could say Honourable somebody in my person who has the guts to come Vice President (VP). Mr Speaker, I want to reiterate and stand here to talk about the cruelty of Botswana proposals that Batswana like, they now appreciate Democratic Party (Domkrag) which is doing selective that there is a serious party, at long last! Umbrella for developments. They select constituencies they want to Democratic Change (UDC); 100 000 jobs, you are dizzy, develop. It is very interesting Mr Speaker that Jwaneng in 12 months. Increase the pension allowance up to P1, has got a competitive advantage in terms of the natural 500.00. I want to reiterate Honourable Duma Boko resources, but currently Jwaneng-Mabutsane is among proposals. The bare minimum of living wage, for your the top 10 poorest regions in Botswana. Why is that so? own information, it has its maximum, its bare minimum Lack of vision Honourable Matambo. How does your is P3, 000.00. I am told for your own information that Budget Speech talk to the poverty that is in Jwaneng- your B1 top notch and C4 bottom notch even after the Mabutsane? Nothing. increment have not reached the minimum wage yet, they Right now Honourable Matambo, since the beginning are still far. That is the situation Honourable Matambo, of this year, young people, graduates, out of school kids your Budget Speech is still very far… who were registered in Jwaneng are more than 1200. MR SALAKAE: On a point of elucidation Mr Speaker. Your Budget does not say anything about it. What does Thank you Honourable Ntlhaile. Let me maybe it mean? It means that poverty and income inequality are emphasise this point because I thought it was confusing going to rise. Remember that Vision 2016 through your Honourable Makgato and Honourable VP, they were Budgets, you had said that poverty and unemployment asking if we are saying Honourable Matambo’s Budget by now would be at zero. Where are we now? These are is not pro-poor, does that mean ours is pro-poor? I want the stark realities, that we want to dismiss your Budget to emphasise here that those two figures, commitments Honourable Matambo, because it does not address the of P3, 000.00 and P1, 500.00, is an example of people issues that are serious such as unemployment, poverty who are committed to erase income poverty, because and the gap between the rich and the poor. Your Budget is poverty is multidimensional. specifically for mega projects of which you deliberately decide to turn a blind eye if there is corruption because MR NTLHAILE: Mr Speaker, there is wasteful they enrich the rich people whilst there are no services. spending, government funds are being wasted. Now There is no water in Mabutsane. There is no electricity guess what, one of the ministries that we are not hesitant at Khakheya and you do nothing about it. Your Budget when we talk about them, we keep advising Minister does not give us targets as to how many graduates who Matambo every now and then that since Botswana is not have completed their studies and are ready to grow this going to war, this mentality of budgeting for the military economy you are going to employ. There are no targets. equipment in every Development Fund does not make sense. That P400 million can be shifted from the Ministry Your Government failed to ascertain us that for this of Defence, Justice and Security and channelled to the financial year, we expect to do this much to fight poverty Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and considering certain policies and programmes in place. Technology.

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Why Tertiary Education, Research, Science and We are also going to increase the shareholding of the Technology? We want to improve our research and Government of Botswana from the current shareholding development, because that is where your jobs are. These so that it can go to 60 per cent in favour of Botswana young graduates are going to be employed Honourable Government and 40 per cent in favour of De Beers. Matambo. Our argument is, the budget misses the focus This is where the money is, this is where the revenue to address unemployment in Botswana. You still allocate of Botswana is. We cannot be negotiating Botswana budget as you were instructed by the International diamonds, the wealth of Botswana which is consumed Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank a long time by the Botswana Democratic Party and their friends just back. Times have changed so it is important to change because they are our leaders … such practice. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of procedure Madam Speaker. I believe that it is contempt for Honourable MR NTLHAILE: Mr Speaker, there is a report which Matambo to be reading a newspaper and when we shows that Botswana Democratic Party is financed by are commenting on the Budget, especially when De Beers on record. Honourable Ntlhaile is raising such important points. I LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): think it is contemptuous, really. Even if the international Point of order. No, all I want is for Honourable Member community could know that in Botswana a Member can to withdraw his words of hatred which tarnish the debate the Budget whilst the Minister of Finance and good name of the Botswana Democratic Party. Yes, he Economic Development is reading a newspaper, it is might be talking about a section that might be doing really disappointing, honestly. a particular thing, but he should stop tarnishing our MR SPEAKER: No, but I did not see him reading a names and saying that we are the ones who consume the paper. diamonds of Botswana. No, bring evidence.

MR NTLHAILE: The money is being misused Mr MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ntlhaile, do you have Speaker. The money that we could be using to benefit evidence to support your statement that members of the Batswana, morespecially the youth and the jobs. For Botswana Democratic Party are consuming diamonds? an example, the President and the Minister use the MR NTLHAILE: Yes, there is evidence. There is money to endorse Botswana Democratic Party activists a clear report, which even members of Botswana to come and join Parliament and Council as Specially Democratic Party (BDP) have not disputed. They have Elected Councillors and Members of Parliament never issued a statement against that report which stated whereas we have an educated community who can carry out Parliament and Council tasks rather than that the Botswana Democratic Party was funded by De carrying on with the old practice of selecting Specially Beers. We have that report. Elected Members of Parliament le Specially Elected MR SPEAKER: Where was that reported or where is it Councillors. Honourable Matambo we are therefore from, where can we find it? saying this is where you could source the funds. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes. Another way in which we are going to make money Honourable Matambo is that we are going to scrap that MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ntlhaile, I also want to Clause 51, the Mines and Minerals Act. This is the Clause see it. which drives Debswana to do as it pleases including the Botswana Democratic Party which has appointed the MR NTLHAILE: Yes sir, it is available. Central Committee members to the Debswana head MR SPEAKER: Tell me where to find it? office so that the diamonds could be exported easily out of Botswana. What you call exceptional diamonds, MR NTLHAILE: Yes, we will bring it. the agreement that you are doing with De Beers is such that certain category of diamonds could leave MR SPEAKER: You can bring it tomorrow. Botswana without being declared and evaluated because HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… it is there is such agreement in Section 51. This means that Botswana lose money, we are going to scrap that. MR SPEAKER: Okay, bring it tomorrow.

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MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND Question put and agreed to. HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR SERETSE): Point of order. Mr Speaker, you said what I wanted to The House adjourned accordingly at 4:22 p.m. until st say because Honourable Member says he will bring the Thursday 21 February, 2019 at 2:00 p.m. report tomorrow. We are expecting to have it tomorrow as soon as we start, he will show it to us. Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ntlhaile, your time is up, make sure to remember your promise. Give me that report tomorrow morning, you should show me the part you were referring to so that when we get here at two, I can read it to Honourable Members. The floor is open. Honourable Matambo, please respond to the debates.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MR MATAMBO): Thank you very much indeed Mr Speaker. Indeed, I am very pleased to have the opportunity to respond to the remarks made by Honourable Members. However Mr Speaker, I would like to have more time so that I can respond meaningfully. In any event, I believe I was supposed, according to our timetable, to respond tomorrow. I really want to refrain to try to respond fully now because I may be tempted to respond to the last speaker. I really do not think it is worth it from what I have listened being said. It is not worth it. I will respond tomorrow in a productive way to those people who have made productive comments on the Budget Speech. With that having been said Mr Speaker, indeed I do request that I be allowed to respond tomorrow. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Order! Thank you Honourable Matambo. Honourable Members, Honourable Matambo is preparing his response, he will do it tomorrow. That brings us to the end of our business on today’s Order Paper. Honourable Mmatli, learn to listen.

Honourable Members, I am informed that there will be a General Assembly tomorrow. I think you should be having the notices on your desks…

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR SPEAKER: Yes, and the agenda is included in that notice. Please avail yourself for the General Assembly tomorrow morning, not now. Honourable Members, I shall now call upon the Leader of the House to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker. I move that this House do now adjourn.

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