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Vol. 619 Wednesday, No. 5 17 May 2006 DI´OSPO´ IREACHTAI´ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DA´ IL E´ IREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIU´ IL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Wednesday, 17 May 2006. Leaders’ Questions ………………………………1261 Ceisteanna—Questions Taoiseach …………………………………1270 Requests to move Adjournment of Da´il under Standing Order 31 ………………1284 Order of Business ………………………………1285 Institutes of Technology Bill 2006: Second Stage (resumed) …………………1293 Ceisteanna—Questions (resumed) Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment Priority Questions ……………………………1314 Visit of Indonesian Delegation …………………………1323 Ceisteanna—Questions (resumed) Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment Other Questions ……………………………1325 Adjournment Debate Matters ……………………………1344 Estimates for Public Services 2006: Message from Select Committee ……………1345 Institutes of Technology Bill 2006: Second Stage (resumed) …………………1345 Visit of Bulgarian Delegation ……………………………1364 Institutes of Technology Bill 2006: Second Stage (resumed) …………………1364 Private Members’ Business Pupil-Teacher Ratio: Motion (resumed) ………………………1391 Adjournment Debate Mental Health Services ……………………………1423 Farm Household Incomes……………………………1425 Asylum Applications ……………………………1429 Questions: Written Answers ……………………………1437 1261 1262 DA´ IL E´ IREANN Deputy Kenny said is also correct, that last year has been worrying. There have been five inci- ———— dents and in two of those children were killed. In another incident, children got out of the back of De´ Ce´adaoin, 17 Bealtaine 2006. a bus and yesterday there could have been an Wednesday, 17 May 2006. enormous tragedy. We must count ourselves lucky after that. However, when we get such luck ———— we must examine the issues carefully to try to avoid such difficulties in the future. Chuaigh an Ceann Comhairle i gceannas ar Both Bus E´ ireann and the Garda are 10.30 a.m. investigating the causes of the fire yesterday. I cannot comment on the causes until those investi- ———— gations have been completed but it is important that we find out what happened. The bus in ques- Paidir. tion passed its annual roadworthiness test in Prayer. August and was checked as part of the mainten- ance programme at the end of March. It was not ———— due to lack of examination. The average age of the bus fleet is 11 years, when the Bus E´ ireann Leaders’ Questions. and private buses are combined, but the average ´ Mr. Kenny: There has been considerable age of the Bus Eireann fleet is higher, as the investment, and rightly so, in recent years in Deputy said. Buses have a long lifespan in all Iarnro´ dE´ ireann, DART, Luas, Aer Lingus and countries. It is not the age but the roadworthiness inter-city Bus E´ ireann buses. However, the trans- of a bus that matters. port fleet that is entrusted to carry our children The procedures for the bus fleet have been fol- to school is now the least safe method of public lowed. We have been involved, in conjunction transport. In the past year there have been five with the local authorities and the fire service, in serious accidents involving school buses. Every- conducting full examinations and checks of all body remembers the tragic death of five young these issues. Deputy Kenny asked if I am happy girls in Kentstown, County Meath. In addition, a that everything is all right after five incidents, bus went on fire in County Meath minutes before and, frankly, no, I am not. I spoke to the Minister it was due to pick up children. In Sligo, a seven today and I asked him, in conjunction with his year old fell out of a bus window, while in Clara, officials, to order a full systems review of the County Offaly, a young boy lost his life. Yester- entire process, to examine the criteria and to day, a bus which had been carrying 32 school chil- examine how we do our business in this area. We dren caught fire and burned out. will not be lucky all the time and we have not This must be a matter of serious concern for been lucky previously so it is better that we exam- the Government. I heard the Minister of State, ine it. Perhaps the system is fine but I am not an Deputy de Valera, say this morning on the radio authority on it. We must examine all the pro- that we have a safe and roadworthy school bus cesses and procedures in place. system. However, the Department combined the One matter that was brought to my attention private contracted buses and the school bus fleet some time ago is that roadworthiness checks on to reduce the average age of the vehicles, which buses are carried out by CIE staff. The view is is now estimated to be 16 years. This is an issue that it would not be possible to have thousands on which the Taoiseach has absolute control. It is of buses checked outside CIE. However, auditing not subject to court rulings or confusion. oneself is not good practice in any area. This Many parents are concerned about their chil- should be examined. Again, it might be unavoid- dren travelling on the clapped-out school bus able but the entire process should be examined. I fleet, many of whose vehicles are more than 16 discussed this earlier with the Minister, Deputy years old. Having a transport company run a Cullen, and he will order that it happens today. school bus fleet causes confusion between supply- ing a proper and safe service and running a com- Mr. Kenny: I thank the Taoiseach for his indi- mercial entity. Is the Government not concerned cation that there will be a full review and audit of about this? Is the Taoiseach not anxious that a the process and structure of the school transport school bus fleet of that age operated by Bus system. When a transport company is running a E´ ireann is not as roadworthy as it should be? fleet that is designed to provide safe transport for Contrary to what the Minister of State, Deputy school children, there can be confusion between de Valera, said, five accidents and six deaths in running a commercial entity and providing a safe the past year is not a safe record. What will the system. What are the maintenance costs for the Taoiseach do about it? existing fleet? The provision of newer buses, with an age limit of ten years for example, would The Taoiseach: The Minister of State, Deputy reduce maintenance costs substantially. How can de Valera, correctly said that the school bus fleet a bus that was checked two days ago subsequently has had a good record over the years. What catch fire? Mechanics can only do a certain 1263 Leaders’ 17 May 2006. Questions 1264 [Mr. Kenny.] for improvement. Nothing will be lost, however, amount with buses that are beyond a certain age. by having a detailed examination. I will ask the As a matter of urgency, will the Minister for Edu- Minister to do so. cation and Science instruct that every bus that is ten years old or over be independently assessed? Mr. Rabbitte: Last weekend, there was a spate There is a fear that there will be more of these of facilitatory interviews with the Taoiseach. I did types of incidents. With buses that are 16 years not see them all, particularly the one on Setanta. old or more and given the nature of the five inci- This weekend I will be keeping a close watch on dents in the past 12 months, it is a cause for it, especially with the big match on. I do not know serious concern. if the Taoiseach has an appearance booked yet. The Department of Education and Science has written to parents with children who use the Mr. Durkan: He will be the second referee. school bus system. The departmental letter claims that because of the unfortunate tragedy in Kents- Mr. Rabbitte: I did not hear the Taoiseach town, seat belts are being placed on all school refer to the Aer Lingus issue in any of the inter- buses. However, as a result, there is no room for views I read or heard. What progress has been some children and parents must make whatever made on bringing Aer Lingus to the stock arrangements they want to get their children to market? Is it still the Government’s determi- school. Has the introduction of these seat belts to nation to do so? Will it come to the market by increase safety resulted in a reduction by a third the summer? Is commentary in the newspapers of the number of children who can be carried on that the summer deadline has been missed really the system, resulting in parents being told to find the case? What size share does the Government their own way to school? intend to retain? What are the problems that have headed off an initial public offering, IPO, The Taoiseach: Earlier in the year the Minister by summer? of State at the Department of Education and What are the difficulties in resolving the com- Science, Deputy de Valera, outlined the pro- pany’s pension issue? What share of the IPO’s cedures that will be introduced. Obviously, if seat proceeds will go into the company’s pension belts are introduced for children on school buses, fund? If the summer cut-off is not made and the it will affect seating capacity on the buses and various stories in the newspapers’ financial pages some children will not be able to travel on them. are true, is it proposed to proceed to the market In the incident in which a child fell out of the in autumn? In those circumstances will the back of the bus, there were seat belts on that bus.