KODIAK/ALEUTIANS SUBSISTENCE RAC MEETING 9/27/2019 KODIAK/ALEUTIANS RAC MEETING 2

KODIAK/ALEUTIANS SUBSISTENCE REGIONAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING

PUBLIC MEETING

VOLUME II

Cold Bay Community Center Cold Bay, Alaska September 27, 2019 8:45 a.m.

COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:

Della Trumble, Chair Coral Chernoff Patrick Holmes Richard Koso Christopher Price Antone Shelikoff Rebecca Skinner - (Telephone)

Regional Council Coordinator, Donald Mike

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Page 146 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 3 (Cold Bay, Alaska - 9/27/2019) 4 5 (On record) 6 7 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, good 8 morning everyone. We'll reconvene our meeting. The 9 time is about, we'll say 8:45. And the first item on 10 the agenda is NOAA; Ellen. 11 12 (Pause) 13 14 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: And just to do a 15 check before we get started, can everybody on line hear 16 us okay? 17 18 MS. SKINNER: Yes, I can hear you. 19 20 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, thank you. 21 22 MS. SKINNER: And if you could just 23 note Rebecca Skinner is present. 24 25 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, thank you, 26 Rebecca. Good morning. 27 28 MS. SKINNER: Good morning. 29 30 MS. YASUMIISHI: Should I go ahead. 31 32 REPORTER: Yes. 33 34 MS. YASUMIISHI: Good morning, Madame 35 Chair, and Members of the Council. My name is Ellen 36 Yasumiishi. I work for NOAA Fisheries in Juneau, 37 Alaska since 1995. I'm a research fishery biologist 38 specializing in marine ecosystem studies. About a 39 third of my time I spend as editor of the Ecosystem 40 Status Report with Stephani Zador and Elizabeth Siddon. 41 We produce a report every year, available on this 42 website below. We have a report for the Aleutians, 43 Arctic, Bering Sea and the Gulf of Alaska, and we 44 compile ecosystem information from multiple agencies 45 and compile land synthesis and report to Councils on 46 the status of fish and birds, mammals and other ocean 47 conditions, and we have also some human indicators. 48 49 Here's a list of the categories in our 50

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Page 147 1 report. 2 3 We also are expanding so we'd love to 4 hear from you on relevant and time series for your 5 Council as well. 6 7 Today I'm going to focus on-- tell you 8 a little bit about our current surveys in the Arctic, 9 Bering Sea and Gulf of Alaska just briefly and then 10 talk about the 2019 sea temperatures that we're seeing 11 in the Gulf of Alaska. Also talk about feeding 12 conditions for juvenile salmon and provide some 13 information on our salmon survival information from 14 Southeast Alaska and Western Gulf of Alaska and then 15 talk about the implications of the 2019 incoming 16 heatwave. 17 18 So in the Arctic, this was part of a 19 grant project from North Pacific Research Board, we're 20 sampling oceanography and fish in the Chuckchi Sea, 21 this year was our last survey and it was very warm and 22 we also caught many age year old pollock, which was 23 unexpected. They typically are distributed in the 24 Bering Sea and not the Chuckchi Sea. Information on 25 our plankton show that the krill abundances were low as 26 well as low large copepod abundances. And those are 27 important prey for forage fish in the area. 28 29 In our Bering Sea surveys listed here 30 this year we were in the north. We alternate years in 31 the Southeast Bering Sea with the Gulf of Alaska. It 32 was, again, warm,we caught a lot of herring which is 33 typical for one years, very few capeland. We had low 34 catches of juvenile salmon, but high catches of 35 juvenile pink and sockeye in the Northern Bering Sea. 36 We haven't done genetic analysis on the sockeye yet, 37 but we assume those are Bristol Bay fish, and that was 38 an unusual event this year. Also low abundances of 39 krill and large copepods. 40 41 So these show the Gulf of Alaska 42 surveys. The one in the Eastern Gulf, we've monitored 43 the inside waters of Southeast Alaska since 1997 and 44 then also around Kodiak, on the shelf, we have a spring 45 survey and a summer survey for fish. We also saw 46 conditions were very warm, I'll touch a little bit more 47 on that. Low catches of larval fish in the spring and 48 fall. But a lot of jellyfish. So that was the unusual 49 aspect of this year as well as low krill and large 50

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Page 148 1 copepods so we're seeing region-wide trends and low 2 production. 3 4 We also had a survey, an international 5 survey as part of the international year of the salmon 6 with the North Pacific Anadramous Fish Commission and 7 this is a joint effort with Russia, Canada, Korea and 8 Japan. We'll have another survey in 2021. So this 9 survey was out in the Gulf of Alaska in February and 10 March and the focus is on salmon to identify what 11 stocks are out there and how healthy the fish are and 12 where they are. So results from the last winter 13 survey, our catches were lower than expected. The coho 14 were offshore and we caught very few chinook and pink 15 salmon. The chum salmon were a little skinny and the 16 sockeye, of which some were from Bristol Bay, they were 17 overlapping well with their krill prey, their primary 18 prey. 19 20 I'll switch to talking a little bit 21 about sea temperatures in the Gulf of Alaska. In the 22 map up in the left corner it shows the green area of 23 this time series and the entire Gulf of Alaska this was 24 the warmest year -- warmest summer sea surface 25 temperatures that date back to 1900. 26 27 Around Kodiak, we also have a seasonal 28 time series estimate of temperature that we put 29 together, Steve Barbeaux has put together as an index 30 for marine heatwaves. So the cycle is the seasonal 31 cycle, the lower values are in winter and the higher 32 values are in summertime. And the yellow area are an 33 indication of above average, well above average 34 temperatures so it shows the warm winter in 2015/16 and 35 then the warm summers in '14, '15 and '16, and then 36 again the warm winter last year as well as this 37 warming, very warm summer, so an indication that we're 38 going back into another heatwave. 39 40 So our surveys around Kodiak, we have 41 temperature profiles at the surface and through the 42 water column, to the bottom. The spring temperatures 43 were not as warm as our last marine heatwave, and we 44 only sample this area every other year so we only have 45 the odd years represented here. At depth, it was as 46 warm as the 2015 heatwave, 6.1 degrees celsius on 47 average. In August our summer sea surface temperatures 48 were as warm as -- they continued to warm and they were 49 as warm as the last marine heatwave with degrees on 50

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Page 149 1 average of 13.3 degrees, but it shows that inside 2 Shelikoff they were warmer than the 13 degree values. 3 4 Down to the bottom of the sea floor it 5 was much warmer than the 2015 marine heatwave with an 6 average temperature of 7.3 degree celsius and we were 7 seeing the hot spots of temperatures 10 degree and plus 8 on the outside of Kodiak Island on the shelf. 9 10 So what were the feeding conditions 11 like for our juvenile salmon coming out of the rivers. 12 This is a bar chart showing the diets of salmon in the 13 Gulf of Alaska. Chinook and coho are feeding primarily 14 on fish while the juvenile sockeye and chum adult pinks 15 and juvenile pink feed on more of a variety of species 16 including krill, and the large copepods as well as 17 jellyfish, the cyplapods and the terapods, the 18 anthapods. We do have indices of copepods and krills 19 from around Kodiak, a long time series that goes back 20 to the 1990s. And our assessment from the spring 21 survey shows that we are in a -- kind of a phase of low 22 copepod densities in the springtime. They dropped off 23 around 2011/2012. And then in late summer it's fairly 24 stable over time but still it's kind of like an average 25 year for that prey item. 26 27 The krill densities in the springtime 28 were low relative to the long-term average and they 29 were also patchy. If you notice there are a couple of 30 hotspots of krill abundances in the Southern Southwest 31 Shelikoff and off Northeast outside on the shelf. And 32 then in late summer, although we had an average krill 33 abundances it was really patchy as well on the outside. 34 There's one hotspot in the same regions as in the 35 springtime. So the prey is not very evenly 36 distributed. 37 38 We also sample larval fish in the 39 springtime and, again, it was low. We had low catches 40 of arrowtooth flounder, northern loxel, Pacific cod, 41 rockfish, southern rock sole and walleye pollock 42 consistent across the board. 43 44 In late summer catch per unit effort of 45 age zero walleye pollock, capeland and eulachon were 46 also low; young and the year pollock, it was the second 47 lowest on record. And, again, we caught a ton of 48 jellyfish, mostly chrysora, melonasteria and aquorea, 49 so it's the lion's mane. So this is just telling us 50

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Page 150 1 that the juvenile salmon are coming out into conditions 2 that aren't very favorable. 3 4 And so spatially, I just wanted to show 5 you the Pacific cod densities around Kodiak in these 6 non-heatwave years relative to the heatwave years. The 7 blue are larval densities and the red are no fish, so 8 it just shows the lack of fish around along the shelf 9 around Kodiak, from Prince William Sound south, or 10 west. 11 12 We're starting to develop indices of 13 fish condition based on how much the fish weighs 14 relative to the length of the fish. And I just wanted 15 to show you this, it's not up to date, but it's the age 16 zero walleye pollock condition. It shows the low 17 condition of these fish during these heatwave years in 18 2005 and 2015. But this will be updated along with 19 additional species for our report this year that will 20 be published in December. 21 22 Finally, you know, we have a few 23 indices for salmon survival but not many. I was going 24 to focus on the Southeast Alaska Auke Creek weir that 25 we've had established in Juneau since the 1980s. This 26 year we had the lowest fry out-migration on record in 27 the time series, only 6,000 fry. We have as many as 28 250,000 fry coming out. So if you look at the number 29 of fry that came out with respect to the number of 30 spawners in the prior year, we see that fresh water 31 survival was okay, although we had record low adult 32 returns -- very low returns last year, low escapement 33 and low fry returns, the marine survival was okay. 34 However, for coho salmon smolts, the survival has been 35 low since the last heatwave, since 2015. 36 37 We have a survey in Icy Straits and we 38 catch juvenile salmon and the number of juvenile -- 39 pink salmon that we harvest predicts the number of 40 adult returns to Southeast Alaska fairly well. This 41 year we had low catches of juvenile chinook, juvenile 42 coho, juvenile sockeye, juvenile chum and pink. So 43 across the board we had just low catches. 44 45 This platt shows the relationship 46 between our catches of juvenile pink salmon and the 47 harvest of adult pink salmon the following year. And 48 the fit is fairly strong but it falls apart in years 49 when we have marine heatwaves, so something is 50

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Page 151 1 happening to these fish after July that is taking away 2 from the population. One of our hypothesis is that 3 they are going out into a predator field so we see a 4 lot of Southern species coming up the coast in these 5 warm years such as pomfrit up on the left and the 6 mulamula, which actually they're eating the jellyfish 7 but this year we're also seeing albacore off of Sitka, 8 a predator, and whales are targeting these juvenile 9 salmon during these low food years. And also I just 10 got reports this week of a large year class of 11 sablefish in Southeast Alaska from this year and 12 they're going to the net pens and feeding on the 13 juvenile salmon, the fry, prior to being released. So 14 with low prey availability they're becoming a target. 15 16 So in conclusion, I do have a few more 17 slides on other topics, but for the marine heatwave 18 we're coming into, these warm conditions, increased 19 metabolic demands for respiration, we're seeing changes 20 in the quality and quantity of prey and introduction of 21 new predators. So based on what we seen in the prior 22 heatwaves this is likely another year where we'll see 23 difficult conditions for juvenile salmon and with the 24 drought conditions in our region we suspect that it 25 will be a double-whammy of poor freshwater and marine 26 conditions. 27 28 I added a couple slides on salmon 29 bycatch. Our laboratory does the genetic analysis on 30 chum and chinook salmon caught in the pollock fisheries 31 in the Bering Sea and Gulf of Alaska and I just wanted 32 to show the Bering Sea slides to show you the 33 proportions of the Gulf of Alaska fish that are coming 34 into the Bering Sea. 35 36 So this is the chinook salmon bycatch 37 proportions of where the fish are from, and there is a 38 large percent are from Coastal Western Alaska, so the 39 numbers on the bars are the actual numbers of chinook 40 that are caught incidentally in the pollock fishery and 41 the bar proportions show the large proportion of 42 Coastal Western Alaska. The dark blue show West Coast 43 USA and British Columbia fish and we're actually seeing 44 a larger proportion of those fish coming into the 45 Bering Sea during these warm heatwave years. 46 47 And I've listed Jordan Watson and Chuck 48 Guthrie as contacts for these information, these are 49 reported to the North Pacific Fisheries Management 50

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Page 152 1 Council and published in technical memos. 2 3 For chum salmon bycatch conducted by 4 Chris Conseela (ph), we also see this -- an increase in 5 the proportion of Southern fish in the bycatch during 6 these warmer years, particularly the Eastern Gulf fish. 7 8 We also have a project with National 9 Marine Fisheries Service enforcements and Coast Guard 10 trying to predict where illegal fishing for salmon will 11 occur outside of the exclusive economic zone. We're 12 using temperature information from satellites and 13 information on where we know salmon are distributed 14 along with temperatures to predict where salmon will be 15 located, so that enforcement can narrow their search 16 pattern for these illegal fishing vessels. 17 18 Finally, I just want to thank the 19 Council for inviting us to speak today and I will take 20 any questions. 21 22 Thank you. 23 24 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 25 Ellen. Before I take the questions, is it possible on 26 the second -- on the bycatch, can you email those to 27 Donald, that way he can get a copy to us, the slides? 28 29 MS. YASUMIISHI: Yes, I can send Donald 30 the slides that I added. 31 32 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, thank you. 33 34 Pat. 35 36 MR. HOLMES: Wow, that's just what I 37 was guessing. Back in the '70s we did the XBTs on the 38 west side of Kodiak Island and the bottom temperatures 39 were like maybe two and a half degrees centigrade, 40 maybe three, and this is just frightening because I was 41 guessing this was happening again, and I think 42 particularly on -- I worked in shrimp and crab and I 43 still have scars on my hand that hurt when things 44 changed, on regime shifts, because that shift from crab 45 and shrimp positive to pollock and cod positive only 46 took four years from when we first saw the juvenile 47 pollock and cod in the bycatch and, you know, the 48 shrimp and crab fishermen just didn't believe it. And 49 I ended up having a shrimper that was pissed off, shot 50

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Page 153 1 the windows out of my truck in front of my house 2 because they didn't believe it and thought I was lying. 3 And to see this going on now, we're in what used to be 4 considered warm water critters, seeing their abundance 5 going (makes noise) that is frightening as heck because 6 are we going to go into squid and albacore in the Gulf 7 of Alaska, or what, because that's immense changes. 8 9 I'll talk to you some more. 10 11 But I recall one professor from UBC in 12 the '80s, he chartered a high sea trawlers, Russian 13 ones, and he trawled on the surface, you know, the top 14 five meters or so and used temperature gauges and he 15 found that the distribution of salmon, particularly 16 chinook and sockeye, that their distribution -- because 17 at that time everybody thought salmon were all over the 18 ocean, just everywhere, they just kind of ambled around 19 in a big circle, but his paper was that something like 20 half a -- that they would travel in an optimal growth 21 zone, temperature zone, and so that would be optimal 22 food until they reached, you know, near their Prince 23 William Sound, or their streams of origin near shore, 24 but it was like less than a half a degree centigrade 25 would be the barrier for where they would be at peak 26 abundance that just scattered, and so this was sea 27 surface temperatures going up, biorythemetically and 28 the bottom temperatures proportionally going up, that's 29 -- that's very scary, very scary. 30 31 And I'm just so tickled you gave this 32 presentation and I'll be glad to see your slides, and 33 I'll give you -- I'll scribble out my thing on a 34 notepad because when your paper comes out I'd really 35 like to get that because I think what you just showed 36 us, that would be such a good paper to give to the 37 American Fishery Society at their winter meeting for 38 Alaska, and, you know, this should be going to the 39 Board of Fish and to the Fish Council because this is 40 saying, hey folks, here's a big red flag and we better 41 be paying attention. And as a former researcher and 42 manager, to me that makes the hair stand up on my head 43 as to, oh, my gosh, what are the young puppies that are 44 managing things now going to do because their forecast 45 models are just going to be nothing. And I just -- 46 this is so swell that you gave us, I just -- I'm sorry 47 it confirmed some of my worst fears. 48 49 MS. YASUMIISHI: Thank you. Sorry, I'm 50

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Page 154 1 reporting bad -- you know, not great news. We do 2 report to the North Pacific Fisheries Management 3 Council annually but I'm happy to talk to you more 4 about other outlets. 5 6 MR. HOLMES: Thank you. 7 8 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. 9 10 Rick. 11 12 MR. KOSO: Yeah, thank you for your 13 report, it was very good. I just wanted to know if you 14 were going to be giving a presentation at this North 15 Pacific Council in Homer here this next week? 16 17 MS. YASUMIISHI: Yes. So my co-editors 18 are representing us at the Homer meeting next week. I 19 was asked to come here and Stephani Zador and Elizabeth 20 Siddon will be presenting a larger overview on other 21 aspects of our report to the Council, as well as our 22 new Alaska Fishery Science Director, Bob Floy, will 23 also be expanding on talking about conditions and our 24 other surveys. 25 26 MR. KOSO: Thank you. I was just 27 wondering on those like your bottom fish, your cod, and 28 I notice your salmon you said were going around to the 29 Bering side from the South side, what about the bottom 30 fish, like the cod and stuff; I know the Gulf and them 31 was, you know, they cut their quotas by about 80 32 percent over the last five years, and I was just kind 33 of curious, do those fish -- do you track them to see 34 if they're going around to the Bering Sea or farther 35 out to the Aleutians where you got the deeper water? 36 37 MS. YASUMIISHI: So our surveys are 38 surface trial surveys so we don't catch a lot of 39 Pacific cod larvae in the Bering Sea, for some reason, 40 I think it's the timing. We have a bottom trawl survey 41 that has catches of Pacific cod and that information 42 will be presented next week at the Homer meeting. 43 44 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Chris. 45 46 MR. PRICE: I'm looking at your salmon 47 bycatch slides you gave us and the chinook salmon one, 48 yeah, and so the green is -- mostly is that saying 49 Yukon fish, or how's that -- or are you kind of 50

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Page 155 1 combining Alaska Peninsula? 2 3 MS. YASUMIISHI: So we have a Russian, 4 the bottom yellow and then the next one is Upper Yukon, 5 and then the smaller one is the Middle Yukon, and so 6 the majority of the green is the Coastal Western 7 Alaska. 8 9 MR. PRICE: Uh-huh. So that's where 10 most of the bycatch in the Bering Sea is those Yukon, 11 Coastal fish? 12 13 MS. YASUMIISHI: Yeah, that's where 14 those fish would have returned to spawn. 15 16 MR. PRICE: And then it's also showing 17 over time that more fish from West Coast U.S. and B.C. 18 are coming into the Bering Sea? 19 20 MS. YASUMIISHI: Correct. 21 22 MR. PRICE: And competing potentially 23 with the other fish, or other salmon? 24 25 MS. YASUMIISHI: Possibly. I just had 26 a paper come out in the journal looking at the diets 27 and growth rates of chinook salmon in the Bering Sea 28 and the North and the South and they -- their growth 29 rates are highly tied to copepod production as well as 30 capeland production and those are more abundant in cold 31 years. I can't comment on the competition aspect, but 32 I think that that would maybe be inferred. 33 34 MR. PRICE: Okay. And then last 35 question, in the Northern Bering Sea, you're seeing 36 juvenile sockeye moving up there, is that what you're 37 saying? 38 39 MS. YASUMIISHI: Correct. 40 41 MR. PRICE: And are they starting to go 42 into the rivers that they hadn't been in before or? 43 44 MS. YASUMIISHI: So these are the 45 juvenile sockeye -- after they are in the Bering Sea 46 they go off shore for a couple of winters, so the -- 47 yeah, I mean I talked to, anecdotally, individuals that 48 are seeing more adult sockeye up around the Yukon but I 49 can't confirm that. 50

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Page 156 1 MR. PRICE: So it's just showing their 2 feeding range is changing? 3 4 MS. YASUMIISHI: Correct. Yeah, their 5 feeding ranges are changing. Their juveniles are 6 coming further north as well as the age year old 7 pollock. 8 9 MR. PRICE: Okay. 10 11 MS. YASUMIISHI: And actually there's a 12 paper I'm working on right now, it's in review. 13 14 MR. PRICE: Okay. Thank you very much. 15 16 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. Any 17 other comments or questions. 18 19 (No comments) 20 21 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Rebecca, are you 22 on line, do you have any comments or questions? 23 24 MS. SKINNER: I guess the only question 25 I have is was the presentation provided for us because 26 I was looking through my emails and the packet and I 27 didn't see it, so I just wanted to make sure I hadn't 28 missed it. 29 30 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: They were a 31 handout, and then the other one was -- we didn't get, 32 but she's going to email those to Donald and we'll get 33 them to you, to all the Council members, a copy. 34 35 MS. SKINNER: Okay, perfect, thank you. 36 37 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: You mentioned 38 you were completing a paper also; did you say that? 39 40 MS. YASUMIISHI: Yes. It's climate 41 related shifts in the distribution and abundance of 42 juvenile fishes in the Bering Sea. 43 44 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: And if possible, 45 if we can get that to Donald when you're done, too, it 46 will be good to see. 47 48 MS. YASUMIISHI: Sure, of course. And 49 I can send you my chinook paper also. 50

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Page 157 1 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, perfect. 2 Thank you. Go ahead, Pat. 3 4 MR. HOLMES: I'll try and be real quick 5 and I can get back to you. But your comments on the 6 distribution and abundance on sockeye in Bering Sea, I 7 was just having a talk with Tim Sands, a South Bristol 8 Bay management biologist and I was asking him where -- 9 where, you know, are your out-migrant smolt going, are 10 they staying in the Bering Sea because they had a 11 tremendous return a while back, last year I think, 12 three ocean, but in the gulf of Alaska, Kodiak West, 13 the three ocean sockeye just (makes noise), they just 14 almost disappeared. And that really buggered up 15 subsistence in Kodiak, and then we're -- this is kind 16 of telling me -- and the tragedy is, is that the State 17 has had almost all their research programs on -- well, 18 they haven't done pink salmon fry for 20 years in the 19 Gulf, all the sockeye smolt programs are gone, I think 20 they've dropped most of them in Bristol Bay, and so 21 being able to at least see what's going on in the 22 ocean, and particularly in Bristol Bay, that probably 23 explains why these humongous runs they've had up there, 24 if their smolt are staying up there where all the 25 plantons are and their food prey and then in the Gulf 26 of Alaska they're dropping, then it's probably why the 27 salmon fisheries in the Gulf are getting so much more 28 erratic. And like 2016 for Kodiak, the pink salmon 29 just almost totally failed to return, so it looks like 30 that's coming up again possibly. 31 32 So this is immensely important 33 information. 34 35 Thank you, so much. 36 37 MS. YASUMIISHI: Thank you. We'll be 38 out in the Southeast Bering Sea next year for our 39 juvenile salmon survey and we do see increases, more 40 juvenile sockeye during these warm years, currently. 41 42 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. Are 43 you good Pat. 44 45 MR. HOLMES: Yes. 46 47 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, thank you. 48 We appreciate your presentation. Unfortunately it's 49 not looking like good news, but we definitely want to 50

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Page 158 1 keep informed and let people know what's happening. 2 3 Thank you. 4 5 MS. YASUMIISHI: Okay, thank you, 6 Madame Chair, Council. 7 8 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: So the next item 9 on the agenda that we will move to is ADF&G Subsistence 10 Division, is there anyone on line. I do believe we had 11 a handout, Donald, is that here? 12 13 MS. KEATING: Good morning. This is 14 Jackie Keating. I'm here in Anchorage. Can everyone 15 hear me okay? 16 17 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: We can, thank 18 you. 19 20 MS. KEATING: Great. Thank you, Madame 21 Chair for your time and I won't take up too much time 22 this morning. You all should have a one page handout 23 we put together, that just gives a few brief updates 24 about ongoing projects that we have funded by OSM. So 25 I'll walk through those super quick. 26 27 The first one, we're doing 28 comprehensive subsistence surveys out in Unalaska. And 29 this past summer we had two researchers go out and work 30 with the tribe and the corporation to discuss the 31 project plans and to look at the household survey 32 sampling list and then this coming winter we'll have a 33 research team going out there to conduct those 34 comprehensive surveys. We'll be doing a sample of 200 35 households. Following that, in the summertime we'll 36 have another research team going out to do participant 37 observations. And then the following winter we'll be 38 going back out to do data review meetings with the 39 communities. 40 41 We also have been doing comprehensive 42 subsistence surveys on the south end of Kodiak Island. 43 We were in Old Harbor, Larsen Bay and Akhiok this past 44 February and March. And so I'd like to thank everybody 45 that participated in that. We're currently working on 46 the data now for that and we hope to have that ready 47 for data review meetings in February, which should 48 actually align well with the next RAC meeting, so if 49 you all are interested in us presenting those findings 50

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Page 159 1 at the next meeting we would really love to do that. 2 It also would be a good opportunity to talk about our 3 comprehensive surveys and how we conduct them since 4 we're doing them out in Unalaska and possibly on the 5 road system if we're able to get that funding. 6 7 On that note I'd like to extend my 8 thanks to Tom and Kelly at the Sun'aq Tribe as well as 9 folks at the Refuge who collaborated with us on the 10 2020 proposal we wrote. It would be a great 11 opportunity with a lot of collaboration to do, some 12 research that's really badly needed on the road system. 13 We haven't conducted surveys there since 1993 so very 14 much needed in Kodiak. 15 16 Other than that, a couple other things 17 that we have going on in subsistence. We are just 18 starting to wrap up a mail survey that we did of 19 emperor goose permitted hunters, people that obtained a 20 registration permit for the first two years of that 21 trail hunt so if you got one of those and filled it 22 out, thank you so much for doing that. We're pretty 23 happy with our response rate and we'll have the results 24 for that in the next couple months as well. 25 26 Besides that, if you have any other 27 questions I'm happy to answer them and hope to get the 28 opportunity to talk to you more at the next meeting. 29 We'll try to have at least one of us there in person. 30 31 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. Are 32 there any questions or comments. 33 34 Donald. 35 36 MR. MIKE: Thank you, Madame Chair, I 37 didn't get the name that was doing the presentation on 38 subsistence. 39 40 REPORTER: Jackie Keating. 41 42 MR. MIKE: Can you restate your name 43 and your division, please. 44 45 MS. KEATING: Yeah, sure, sorry about 46 that. Jackie Keating, Division of Subsistence and 47 based in Anchorage. 48 49 MR. MIKE: Thank you. 50

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Page 160 1 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Chris, did you 2 have a comment. 3 4 MR. PRICE: Jackie, this is Chris Price 5 from Unalaska with the Qawalangin Tribe. Did I meet 6 with you this summer? 7 8 MS. KEATING: Hey, Chris. No, we had 9 Amy and Lauren out there this summer. I think I met 10 you at a past meeting in Anchorage. But Amy Leeta (ph) 11 and Lauren Sill were out there. Amy Leeta was one of 12 our resource specialists, but she actually just 13 accepted a position with the ANILCA program within Fish 14 and Game, so we'll have a little bit of a Staff change, 15 but Lauren will probably be back out there and a few 16 other of us as well. 17 18 MR. PRICE: Okay. Quick question. 19 Were you guys going to do -- were you going to hire 20 some locals to do the surveys, I'm trying to remember 21 how that was going to work? 22 23 MS. KEATING: Yeah, most definitely. 24 We always hire local research assistants to help us 25 out. And I forget the exact numbers that we're doing 26 for Unalaska but three at an absolute minimum, so, 27 yeah, we'll be working with you to help us identify 28 folks that might be interested in that. 29 30 MR. PRICE: Thank you. 31 32 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Any other 33 questions or comments. 34 35 Rebecca. 36 37 MS. SKINNER: No, thank you, Della. 38 39 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, thank you, 40 Jackie. Oh, hold on, we..... 41 42 MS. KEATING: Thank you. 43 44 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: .....got one 45 more. 46 47 Pat. 48 49 MR. HOLMES: Thank you, Madame Chair. 50

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Page 161 1 This is really great..... 2 3 REPORTER: Pat, your microphone. 4 5 MR. HOLMES: It's really great to get 6 back -- have subsistence back out doing the surveys in 7 Unalaska and Kodiak. It's been such a long time, and 8 that's really important information to have. And so 9 I'd like to continue to salute you and it's really -- 10 I'm glad to see you there rather than that one grant 11 that went a few years ago to the fancy anthropologist 12 from Illinois that didn't really quite do what was 13 hoped for. So thanks a bunch. 14 15 Bye. 16 17 MS. KEATING: Thanks, Pat. Appreciate 18 it. 19 20 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Coral. 21 22 MS. CHERNOFF: Hi, Jackie. Thank you 23 for speaking with us today. 24 25 I had a question about how many -- you 26 did three village surveys in Kodiak, how many 27 households were surveyed in each of those villages, I 28 was wondering? And is this just a one year program or 29 is it like a three or four year program, for Kodiak? 30 31 MS. KEATING: Yeah, hey, Coral, thanks. 32 Good questions. I don't have the exact numbers in 33 front of me at the moment but what I can say is that 34 for all three of those communities we tried to do a 35 total population sample. So we did try to get to every 36 household. And our response rates varied a little bit. 37 We did pretty good in Akhiok, pretty good in Larsen Bay 38 and we're a little bit lower than we hoped in Old 39 Harbor. And then the second part of your question, 40 this one was only a one year study, unfortunately, but, 41 of course, you know, we'd like to continue working out 42 there if we can. 43 44 MS. CHERNOFF: Thank you. And you were 45 talking about developing the road system, the Kodiak 46 one, when will that happen? Is that going to be next 47 year? 48 49 MS. KEATING: Sure, yeah, so we have a 50

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Page 162 1 proposal in right now that we co-wrote with Sun'aq 2 Tribe, and we'll find out whether or not if that's 3 funded, in January, I believe, or maybe you folks would 4 know better than me, and if that is funded we'll jump 5 in pretty quick and start with the planning and then 6 that would be looking at the 2020 harvest year. So we 7 would be doing the surveys in early 2021 but working 8 with the community long before that to hire local 9 research assistants and figure out all the logistics. 10 11 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, thank you. 12 Any other questions or comments. 13 14 (No comments) 15 16 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Hearing none, 17 thank you Jackie, for your report. 18 19 MS. KEATING: Thank you. 20 21 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: I have a 22 question passed on here, Mark Burch, are you on line? 23 24 MR. BURCH: Yes, this is Mark Burch. 25 26 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: So I guess the 27 question is, is there a director for the Subsistence 28 Division? 29 30 MR. BURCH: My understanding is that 31 there is not currently a director for the Division of 32 Subsistence. That position is reporting, I believe, to 33 the Deputy, the Deputy Director is currently leaving 34 the division. 35 36 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, it was 37 just a question, did somebody else have a question in 38 regard to that. The question is who is the Deputy 39 Director, the name of the Deputy Director. 40 41 MR. BURCH: Lisa Olson is the Deputy. 42 43 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Lisa Olson. 44 45 MS. SKINNER: And then, Della, this is 46 Rebecca. 47 48 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Go ahead, 49 Rebecca. 50

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Page 163 1 MS. SKINNER: All right, thanks. Yeah, 2 this is one of the items that I had asked for a 3 specific report out at this meeting, just so that the 4 Council could be aware of the structural and Staffing 5 changes. So, I guess, can we get confirmation that at 6 this point there is no intent to put somebody in that 7 director position, and that the Staffing and reporting 8 structure has been basically permanently changed so 9 that there will not be a director; is that accurate? 10 11 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Mark. 12 13 MS. KEATING: This is Jackie. Our 14 understanding at that point is pretty much that, yeah, 15 Lisa Olson is in charge and we have heard nothing about 16 that director position being replaced at that time. 17 18 MS. SKINNER: Okay, thank you. 19 20 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Pat, do you have 21 a question. 22 23 MR. HOLMES: Yeah. I believe that 24 Governor Dunleavy, I don't -- basically they've taken 25 the head of the Subsistence Division and then the head 26 of the Habitat Division and they have not been filled 27 and they've been stuck underneath the Commissioner of 28 Fish and Game, his assistants and that's Doug Vincent- 29 Lang, and so basically the gossip I've heard is that 30 it's not going to be filled and that any information or 31 direction from them is going to flow to the Governor to 32 the Commissioner and then out to those two divisions, 33 so it's murky. 34 35 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Any other 36 questions or comments. 37 38 (No comments) 39 40 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: All right, 41 moving on. The next item on the agenda will be OSM, 42 we've got general update, following that we have tribal 43 engagement and then Item No. C is sea otter workgroup. 44 45 So, OSM, general update. 46 47 MR. WHITFORD: Good morning, Council. 48 Hopefully this isn't more bad news. 49 50

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Page 164 1 (Laughter) 2 3 MR. WHITFORD: Madame Chair. Council 4 members. For the record my name is Tom Whitford, and 5 I'm the Acting Deputy Assistant Regional Director for 6 the Office of Subsistence Management. I've been in 7 this acting position for almost four months now. I'll 8 be through with this position next week. I've enjoyed 9 it. And in over the last four months I've realized, 10 and I knew this before because I've been involved in 11 subsistence for five years now in Alaska, and just 12 realize the amount of work that OSM does each year. 13 And so with this brief overview, I plan on touching on 14 a few things, it's a little different from past OSM 15 reports. I'll give a few highlights from what the 16 Federal Subsistence Board has been up to in 2019. And 17 I really want to stress some OSM Staff highlights. 18 You're well aware of a lot of the work that they do but 19 there's lots that OSM does that I don't think the 20 Councils are aware of the amount of work that goes on 21 in the office. And then I'll also give a brief update 22 on OSM Staffing. 23 24 So the Federal Subsistence Board at its 25 April meeting this year, it was a regulatory meeting, 26 the Board took action on 19 fisheries regulatory 27 proposals analyzed by OSM Staff. The Board also 28 implemented a system of temporary special actions to 29 cover the approved changes so we didn't run into the 30 same problem as we did the year before, getting the 31 regulations published in the Federal Register in a 32 timely manner so those special actions covered those 33 fish regulations until the publication in the Federal 34 Register. 35 36 At that meeting, also, the Board took 37 action on one non-rural proposal, one fisheries 38 temporary special action request, and three requests 39 for reconsideration. And the details of those actions 40 are on our website if you want to look at those. 41 42 At the Board's July teleconference, the 43 Board took action on three Wildlife Temporary Special 44 Actions. One was with Unit 13 moose and caribou and 45 that special action failed. They also took action on a 46 special action request for Unit 10 Unimak Island 47 caribou and the Board supported that. They also 48 addressed Unit 20E, 25C and 20F caribou and the Board 49 supported that special action. 50

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Page 165 1 This year the Board also had a public 2 work session in August where the Board reviewed the 3 Regional Advisory Council nominations and charter 4 package. Since then the package has been submitted to 5 the Secretary's office after it was reviewed by the 6 Special Assistant to the Secretary's office and the 7 USDA Regional Forester. The Federal Board, at that 8 meeting, also took action on three wildlife temporary 9 special action requests. One was associated with Unit 10 18 moose and they did support that request with 11 modification to delegate the authority to the in-season 12 manager. They also took action on a Unit 2 wolves 13 request and they supported that. And also a Unit 23 14 moose, which the Board also supported. 15 16 At that meeting the Board also reviewed 17 a couple of informational videos that were produced in 18 partnership with the Alaska Teen Media Institute. 19 These videos are posted on our website so they're 20 available, FaceBook -- on our OSM web page and 21 FaceBook, YouTube. They were -- so the Board looked at 22 them, one was how to submit a proposal and the other 23 one was how to become a member of a Regional Advisory 24 Council and they did an excellent job on those so if 25 you have the chance, take a peek at those on our 26 website. This coming year we're planning on producing 27 a couple of additional videos, one will be on how to 28 submit a special action and the other will be how to 29 request a cultural educational permit. 30 31 The Board has a couple of meetings 32 scheduled for this upcoming year. January 28th through 33 30th, 2020, we'll have a Board retreat and public work 34 session and this will be held in Anchorage. The only 35 thing on the agenda so far for that meeting is the 36 Board will address the Fisheries Resource Monitoring 37 Program. And they also have a wildlife regulatory 38 meeting scheduled in April, we don't know which week 39 yet. That meeting is tentatively scheduled to be held 40 in Copper Center, and right now the agenda is being 41 developed, but the primary thing the Board will take on 42 is addressing the wildlife regulatory proposals at that 43 meeting. 44 45 So now I'll touch on some highlights 46 from the Office of Subsistence Management. 47 48 And I did have like four pages of 49 things that the Staff sent me, and I've kind of 50

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Page 166 1 whittled it down to a few pages so I'm just going to 2 hit a few highlights. So over 2019 the Office of 3 Subsistence Management 55 wildlife proposals were 4 analyzed this year and they're scheduled to be 5 presented at the winter Regional Advisory Council -- or 6 the fall meetings and you heard a few of those 7 yesterday. The Federal Board, like I just said, 8 they'll be taking action on those -- all of those 55 -- 9 I think it's actually got whittled down to 52 wildlife 10 proposals that the Board will take action on next 11 April. 12 13 The Anthropology Division Staff 14 conducted analysis on 10 customary and traditional use 15 determination proposals for Southcentral, Southeast and 16 Interior Alaska regions. So far this year OSM Staff, 17 they've analyzed eight wildlife temporary special 18 action requests. The Board has taken action on six of 19 those and right now, two are still under -- within the 20 review process and they'll be taking action on those in 21 the coming weeks. 17 wildlife closure reviews were 22 analyzed by OSM and are scheduled to be presented at 23 the fall RAC meetings. You heard a couple of those 24 yesterday. The Board will take action on those 25 wildlife closure reviews at their April meeting. 26 27 OSM Staff also commented on 46 Alaska 28 Board of Game proposals and those 46 proposals -- as 29 you know, the Board of Game, they have lots of 30 proposals that they look at every year but those 46 31 proposals have potential to affect Federally-qualified 32 subsistence users in Southcentral and Southeast 33 regions. 34 35 This year three Federal subsistence 36 chinook salmon fisheries were restricted or closed by 37 the Federal Board through emergency special actions. 38 Those were on the Kuskokwim, the Situk, and the Stikine 39 Rivers. Two Federal subsistence sockeye salmon 40 fisheries were closed through Federal actions due to 41 low return rates and those were on Chignik and the 42 Stikine. 43 44 This year six rulemaking documents were 45 published in the Federal Register, I won't go through 46 all six of those but a couple of the bigger ones was 47 the Final Rule for the Cook Inlet area regulations and 48 also the 2019/2020 -- or 2019-2021 subsistence fishing 49 regulations. 50

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Page 167 1 OSM's Native Liaison has conducted 2 numerous consultations this year with 149 Federally- 3 recognized tribes and 10 regional corporations. So far 4 has conducted seven tribal engagement sessions, and I 5 think after this fall he has conducted a tribal 6 engagement session in every region and then I think 7 Orville plans to start working back through the 8 Regional Advisory Councils. And let's see, the Native 9 Liaison has also worked with numerous high schools in 10 the four regions with the goal of increasing awareness 11 of the Federal Subsistence Program and its objectives. 12 13 As you know in 2017 the Board adopted a 14 new policy for non-rural determinations and in the 15 spring of 2019 the first call for proposals to change 16 non-rural determinations was issued. OSM received a 17 proposal from the Southcentral region. The Board 18 determined that the proposal met the threshold 19 requirements at its April 2019 meeting and at that 20 meeting the Board directed OSM Staff to proceed with a 21 full analysis. The analysis will go before the Federal 22 Subsistence Board for final action in January of 2021. 23 24 Also this year OSM Staff, they drafted 25 a best practices document and it'll be finalized later 26 this year. This document will provide general guidance 27 for data request exchange between the State of Alaska 28 and the Office of Subsistence Management. This year 29 OSM outreach and information booths are scheduled at 30 the upcoming AFN annual meeting, which is in Fairbanks, 31 and then the BIA Provider's Conference, which is in 32 Anchorage, and then several regional corporation annual 33 meetings. I think we've -- I'm not sure how many we've 34 done so far this year of those, the corporations. 35 36 MR. LIND: Seventeen. 37 38 MR. WHITFORD: Seventeen. I wanted to 39 say something briefly about Regional Advisory Councils. 40 41 As the Councils are well aware, one of 42 the primary functions of Regional Advisory Councils is 43 to provide recommendations to the Federal Subsistence 44 Board on the take of fish and wildlife on Federal 45 public lands in Alaska. The past regulatory cycle, the 46 fish cycle, the Board received 20 fish proposals and 47 one was withdrawn by the proponent. The Board accepted 48 the majority of the Regional Advisory Council 49 recommendations for those fish proposals, in 18 of 19 50

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Page 168 1 -- so 18 of 19 they took the recommendations of the 2 Regional Advisory Councils, which is 95 percent. I 3 just wanted to stress that the Federal Subsistence 4 Board does hear the voices of the Regional Advisory 5 Councils. 6 7 Also this year, jump into Fisheries 8 Resource Monitoring and our Partners Program. The 9 Staff reviewed 28 Fisheries Resource Monitoring Program 10 proposals for the 2020 notice of funding opportunity. 11 As you heard from Scott, the proposals were scored by 12 the Technical Review Committee and you've responded to 13 a few of those at this meeting. The FRMP awards will 14 be announced in the winter of 2020. 15 16 Also this year Federal and State 17 partners reviewed a total of 14 proposals for the 18 Partners for Fisheries Resource Monitoring Program, 19 better known as the Partners Program, and as Scott 20 mentioned seven proposals were awarded funding for the 21 20-23 funding period. 22 23 Now, I'll talk briefly about OSM 24 Staffing. OSM currently has 11 vacant positions. Our 25 Assistant Regional Director position was advertised for 26 30 days and recently closed, I think it closed on 27 September 19th and we're hoping to have that position 28 permanently filled, hopefully by the end of the 29 calendar year but I'm not sure; it should be soon. As 30 you know Tom Doolittle has been acting in that position 31 for, I think, over a year now. 32 33 With the remaining 10 positions, OSM, 34 our hiring priorities for those remaining jobs would be 35 in order, our Anthropology Supervisor, three admin 36 administrative assistants, two fisheries biologists, 37 one wildlife biologist, a Council coordination 38 supervisor, another anthropologist and then also our 39 subsistence policy coordinator. Jennifer Hardin 40 recently left that position the last couple months. So 41 right now the way OSM is dealing with vacant positions 42 is trying to detail folks in filling those positions 43 until we can get permanent folks in place. 44 45 Also in 2019 OSM hired and placed 11 46 Alaska Native Science and Engineering Program, ANSEP, 47 interns into the field with biologists to expose them 48 to careers in biology. This included four Bridge 49 students who are entering their first year in college 50

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Page 169 1 and six ANSEP University success students with career 2 interests in the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Alaska 3 Department of Fish and Game, and Rural Conservation 4 Organization partners. 5 6 And I think with that, if you have any 7 questions I'd be happy to answer them. 8 9 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Any comments or 10 questions. 11 12 Pat. 13 14 MR. HOLMES: Yeah, thanks for your 15 report. I think it gives us an understanding on how 16 complex the situation is and the shortage of 11 17 positions makes it really difficult. I'm really glad 18 that the Federal process did occur because of, you 19 know, 25 years ago, all the flap about subsistence or 20 not, and particularly in relation to our current 21 Governor's approach to things with the State 22 subsistence folks, I think it's remarkable and should e 23 praised that OSM is existing so that we do have further 24 advocacy in trying to maintain customary and 25 traditional use. 26 27 And I do hope that you folks listen to 28 our concerns about the review process, and, you know, 29 in relation to the Council's concerns and the needs 30 versus process, and hopefully that you folks will have 31 a -- if you have a chance, a little bit of a review on 32 that so that it would be a little more responsive to 33 perceptions rather than just having a nice clean 34 process. So I really appreciate you being here and 35 listening to us. 36 37 And I guess I have to salute all of OSM 38 for what you do. 39 40 Thank you. 41 42 MR. WHITFORD: Through the Chair. 43 Thank you, Pat. And I did take notes on your comments 44 with that review, concerning the review process, and 45 it'll be in my notes and we do have conversations 46 regarding that every year. 47 48 MR. HOLMES: Thank you, very much. 49 50

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Page 170 1 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Any comments or 2 questions. 3 4 (No comments) 5 6 7 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: I just -- 8 Rebecca, do you have any comments. 9 10 MS. SKINNER: Yeah, I just wanted to 11 confirm, so you only received the one request for a -- 12 regarding a rural determination and that was for the 13 Moose Pass community; is that correct? 14 15 MR. WHITFORD: That is correct. 16 17 MS. SKINNER: Okay, thank you. 18 19 MR. WHITFORD: Hold on one second, 20 Scott has something to say. 21 22 MR. AYERS: Hi, yeah, this is Scott 23 Ayers for the record. We did receive two requests, but 24 only one was validated. There was an issue with the 25 other request that -- yeah, there was an issue with the 26 other request so the one for Moose Pass, of the two, 27 that was received that was validated. 28 29 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. 30 Thank you, for your report. And I think it's 31 encouraging to hear that you're working with the ANSEP 32 program to try to look into the future and try to fill 33 some of these positions. I know we talked a little bit 34 of how, if there was a way to get, you know, younger 35 people in our region more interested in some of these 36 positions and the Refuge systems, to -- because they 37 know our betters than a lot of -- you know, a lot of 38 people that we do end up bringing in and I think in 39 that respect it makes it easier for them to be 40 acclimated to wherever they're living. 41 42 So thank you, I appreciate your report 43 and your time. Thanks. 44 45 MR. WHITFORD: Thank you. 46 47 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: The next item on 48 the agenda is No. B, tribal engagement, Orville Lind. 49 50

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Page 171 1 MR. LIND: Camai, Madame Chair. 2 Council members. Orville Lind, Native Liaison for the 3 Office of Subsistence Management. 4 5 Unlike my co-workers, I bring you good 6 news, finally. 7 8 (Laughter) 9 10 MR. LIND: And, of course, the subject 11 is tribal engagement. As you remember, Madame Chair, 12 that when I got on board it was December of 2014, and 13 during the 2015 cycle it was mentioned from your 14 Council that they were looking for ways to engage 15 tribes more in this whole process and Melinda Hernandez 16 called me up during August of 2015 and said, hey, 17 listen, we're kind of hearing this all over the region, 18 is, how do we engage tribes into this Federal 19 Subsistence Program, how do we engage our youth. And, 20 you know, we realize it's not a really new program but 21 it's fairly new to us, you know, beginning in 1993 22 working with the Regional Advisory Councils. And so 23 basically our first and foremost goal was just to 24 educate folks about how the process works in tribal and 25 ANCSA consultations. 26 27 So in October of 2017 we finally had 28 our first session, working with Melinda and her Staff. 29 She used to work as our Council Coordinator before she 30 moved down to Juneau as a tribal affairs specialist and 31 working with her down in Juneau she put this tribal 32 engagement session together and when I got down there 33 there were actually a very great effort on her part and 34 her Staff, mostly her, and the Council Coordination 35 Division down there, and contacting the tribes there in 36 Juneau, and Ketchikan, in Metlakatla, and those places 37 down there in Southeast, in the Southeast region. And 38 we did have several folks from the local community join 39 us and we even had the Forest Service Director, we had 40 a couple rangers join us and it was the very first time 41 that everybody came together. And my goal was 42 basically to educate these folks on my role as a Native 43 Liaison and how we can learn together to do government 44 to government consultations. And I think it was a huge 45 success because we had a lot of feedback, because they 46 had the same concern in Southeast, is that, you know, 47 how do we engage our tribes, they're fairly new to this 48 process and how can we allow our voice to be heard. 49 50

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Page 172 1 Well, it's required by Executive Order 2 13175, now it's required to listen to tribes and to 3 hear your voices, which is very important when you're 4 involved in the Federal Subsistence Program, of course, 5 it deals with your foods, your subsistence. 6 7 And as we went through the program, we 8 talked about the importance of making those contacts 9 before -- I guess, bottom line, would be preparation 10 for these tribal consultations. And basically we have 11 229 Federally-recognized tribes in Alaska as you know, 12 there's about 567 in our whole nation, so 229 of those 13 tribes are here, 12 corporations are here, and up to 14 180 village corporations are here also. So when we 15 prepare in a region to have tribal engagement, we want 16 to make those contacts. And I'm honored to have worked 17 with Council Coordination, Staff at OSM, they know it's 18 a lot of work to get on the phone, to use the fax 19 machines, to use email, to contact these tribes and 20 corporations and let them know that we're going to have 21 consultation on maybe a specific special action or a 22 change in regulation. So we have to get that 23 information and that outreach effort completed. 24 25 In most, I think, we've heard the story 26 over and over that, oh, well, we didn't get that, we 27 didn't hear that, you didn't contact us. Well, the 28 case, most of the time is, is that we didn't contact 29 them, it's just that they didn't receive, possibly, 30 their fax, or the email, and sometimes the leaders were 31 gone and so someone else took over the office, so we 32 did our part -- OSM does their part, very well, I 33 think, and I've been there in the office now for five 34 years come December, and OSM does, I think, a 35 tremendous job, of outreach efforts. We have a 36 wonderful person, Caron, is our outreach specialist, 37 and she does an excellent job making sure that the news 38 releases go out, that things are on our website. 39 40 Granted, you know, we're down 11 Staff 41 and so one thing I want to mention, also, is that OSM 42 folks, there's a lot of stuff that goes through our 43 office, a tremendous amount of stuff. You know we have 44 the Wildlife Division, Fisheries, Anthropology, you 45 know, rules and regulation coordination, there's a lot 46 of stuff that goes through there. And so with people 47 leaving, often times our Staff have to go double time. 48 I appreciate the enthusiasm that some of our employees 49 have by taking two jobs now. They have to step up and 50

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Page 173 1 help out. And so I want to make sure that people 2 realize that OSM does a lot of stuff and I'm just 3 honored to be working with them. 4 5 With that said, tribal consultation has 6 gotten better. It has gotten better. We are now 7 providing in most cases a very meaningful consultation 8 process. I receive a lot of phone calls from tribes 9 asking, sometimes when the consultation's going to 10 happen, and if they could send the email again or the 11 fax again. So what's really happening now in the last 12 four years, I think, is that, since we've began to work 13 with the Refuge Information Technicians, and we have 14 Refuge Information Technicians all over the region. We 15 don't have any in Kodiak. We don't have any in 16 Izembek. We don't have any in Alaska Maritime. But I 17 feel that's something we're really missing and I really 18 can appreciate your Council in trying to get that to 19 happen, to have an RIT in this region, because we 20 certainly could use it in times like this to get the 21 information out to the people because if you hire a 22 local person that person knows people and they know how 23 to do the outreach there. 24 25 With that said I think that the other 26 thing that we're finally realizing also is that 27 Councils have told us that, you know, where is our 28 youth, where's our young people. Of course here we 29 didn't have a school here so we don't have any students 30 here. But in the last three years we've started 31 working with the Bristol Bay region in having high 32 school students attend the Regional Advisory Council 33 and they're even -- I believe last year, if Donald 34 remembers, back me up and correct me if I'm wrong, we 35 had four students come by and they actually mock a 36 proposal just to get the feel of how things work in the 37 Council from the hunter, subsistence user, provider, to 38 the Regional Advisory Council to the Federal 39 Subsistence Board and then back. So I think it's very 40 educational and we continue to work on -- or I continue 41 to work with Refuge Information Technicians, the 42 Regional Advisory Council Coordinators into really 43 making that happen. 44 45 We're scheduled to do YK-Delta next and 46 we're scheduling Bristol Bay, again, YK-Delta -- 47 there's one more -- we're going to set up high school 48 student meetings. I've lost it. But, anyway, we're 49 working on it, to include our youth, as we realize 50

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Page 174 1 subsistence issues are becoming more important with all 2 the changes that are happening out there, I think our 3 future leaders need to learn quickly and so we're 4 trying to educate our youth in this whole Federal 5 Subsistence Program. 6 7 With that also we are, I think, being 8 successful in the outreach efforts because we're now 9 getting more phone calls, we're now getting more 10 emails. As our meeting cycle happens, and they tell us 11 when the RAC meetings are happening, we actually get 12 phones calls, I do, sometimes Coordination Division 13 gets phone calls and says, hey, do you guys have a 14 meeting coming up, what are the issues, can you let us 15 know, so there's more of an involvement -- people are 16 making this connection. And I think people are finally 17 getting the Federal Subsistence Program, because now 18 we're getting a ton of more special actions that we 19 have to follow-thru, which causes more tribal 20 consultations, which I love, so -- and then we're 21 crunched for time during this whole process, also. So 22 we do the best we can with the time we have. And I 23 can't say how much I appreciate OSM Staff really 24 working very hard to make us follow this timeline we're 25 supposed to follow. 26 27 Now, sometimes -- there was a couple of 28 cases where, I think, in 2015 and 2016 we did not have 29 a consultation with the tribes before the Regional 30 Advisory Council meeting, and I have a very good excuse 31 for that, family members of our immediate family -- our 32 close and dear friends had passed away and so I didn't 33 make the consultations because I attended a funeral. 34 I'm not making excuses, but there's times where this is 35 going to happen. I just was notified here yesterday, a 36 tribal member asking about a consultation, if we were 37 going to have one before the public hearing coming up 38 and I said, well, consultation is really from the 39 tribes, it's their right to call and request 40 consultation about any topic, any time, and if they 41 want to talk with the Federal Subsistence Board I will 42 make it happen in due time. So that's their right. 43 44 So as of this tribal engagement 45 session, this is the ninth tribal engagement session 46 I'm talking about, No. 10 will be with North Slope out 47 in Point Hope here soon, I think within a couple weeks. 48 And then after that I will start over at Southeast at 49 Ketchikan and we're going to be doing the same thing, 50

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Page 175 1 and we're going to try to involve our youth a little 2 more, so we're actually, you know what, as I said in 3 2015, we're going to get better at this because we're 4 still doing what we're doing and I know folks says, you 5 know, it's going to be really hard Orville because you 6 have such a high turnover, well, I don't believe that, 7 I believe that we're getting better and smarter about 8 this process and I tell you what we could not be here 9 without you folks on the Regional Advisory Council 10 representing those folks who are subsistence users 11 besides yourself out in rural Alaska. 12 13 So with that, I will take any questions 14 about the process. So I thought that was some pretty 15 good news. 16 17 (Laughter) 18 19 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 20 Orville, for the positive report. 21 22 (Laughter) 23 24 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Does anybody 25 have any comments or questions for Orville. 26 27 Coral and then Pat. 28 29 MS. CHERNOFF: Thank you, Orville. I 30 have -- I guess I'm new to this tribal engagement and 31 tribal consultation thing. So can you tell me when -- 32 like how that works. I know I've gotten emails about 33 tribal consultation, and so like who is that with 34 exactly, like who is there and is that like can -- and 35 I heard, I guess that Pat called in on that, being on 36 the RAC, so individuals call in, tribes show up, kind 37 of explain that to me? 38 39 MR. LIND: Thank you, Coral. Through 40 the Chair. Good question. And the process is when a 41 tribe requests consultation, of course, we start to -- 42 besides having the topic for consultation, we begin to 43 look at the region, which region it comes from, and 44 then in the region I have a listing of tribes, I have a 45 listing of corporations. For example, let's say 46 Kodiak/Aleutians, and so I would look at the region for 47 all the tribes listed and I use the BIA's tribal list, 48 which is most current and because they annually update 49 that list. Now, besides that list I contact Della, I 50

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Page 176 1 try to contact you folks whether email or a phone call, 2 and try to get you to -- per policy -- implemented 3 deadlines policy, I'm to contact the Chair and Vice 4 Chair, which I do, and if I don't get a hold of them, I 5 just go ahead and email everybody on the Board -- on 6 the Regional Advisory Council just to let them know, 7 and I encourage -- when I do get a hold of the Chair 8 and the Vice Chair, if I do get a hold of them, I 9 encourage them to contact, and then not only that, by 10 working with the Coordination Division person, they 11 make the contacts, so we're really doing, I think, an 12 over effort on making those contacts. 13 14 From that point on, we talk to the 15 tribes to see -- first of all I have to know if my 16 Staff is available for the analysis, they're available 17 on -- I like to pick three dates and then basically ask 18 the tribal members, which date do you feel that you're 19 going to be available because my Staff's available on 20 the three dates, I have to find out the Board members, 21 whether they're available during those times, and then 22 so we finalize and have a poll of dates and they pick 23 one, the one that gets the most votes wins and then I 24 put that date on our tribal invite letters. And those 25 invite letters have to be approved by the leadership 26 team, so once I finish the letter, I send it to our 27 office, leadership team, which is nine members, they 28 have to look at it and make sure we're saying what it's 29 supposed to mean in the tribal invite letters and the 30 corporation letters and once that's approved, I send 31 those out. And in the meantime the Coordination 32 Division can be talking to you, I can be talking -- I 33 receive phone calls just confirming the dates and the 34 times, but, really once we get the information out it's 35 up to the tribes to reply and to make the effort to 36 call back in. 37 38 MS. CHERNOFF: Okay. 39 40 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Pat. 41 42 MR. HOLMES: Yeah, Orville, I see your 43 boss is looking at me back there and so I wanted to 44 compliment you. 45 46 You know, I'm just a token White dude, 47 not a tribal person, but having watched all of this 48 evolve over the last 50, 60 years is just remarkable 49 and when I tagged into your teleconference I was just 50

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Page 177 1 kind of listening and I think that you have done a 2 really remarkable job since you've come on. I get that 3 kind of feeling from the tribal folks that I know in 4 Kodiak and just my own observations. And I thought the 5 way that you handled that conference, the way you 6 modulated your voice, listened to people and responded 7 -- actually you could become an NPR person. 8 9 (Laughter) 10 11 MR. HOLMES: You did a really swell job 12 and I appreciate your comments on the RITs. I think a 13 lot of folks on our Council feel that they're as 14 important, sometimes maybe more so than the actual 15 managing person. And I hadn't realized it, but 16 basically the whole Gulf of Alaska, there isn't an RIT 17 for anybody anymore and they really need those people 18 that are local to help do that interface. I thought 19 Greg's work, when he was here as manager, over at King 20 Cove and things he was doing was swell. And I think 21 your outreach program is so good and I can see that 22 leaning towards a mentorship program and things like 23 they do out at Unalaska for scholarships and being able 24 to coordinate that and guide our young people into 25 vocations and to get more folks like my colleagues here 26 that, you know, grew up, and on the Councils and 27 understanding the process because it's so important and 28 I really appreciate you facilitating all that. 29 30 Don't take this as a conflict of 31 interest, because we might be distantly-removed 32 cousins, but, anyway, Orville, you're a good guy. 33 34 (Laughter) 35 36 MR. LIND: Quyana, thank you for that 37 Pat. 38 39 One other thing I will mention is that, 40 you know, more and more, the folks that I contact over 41 the five years I've been Native liaison, really I don't 42 have to contact anymore, they're calling me and asking 43 me the questions, you know, and finalizing -- whether 44 -- they'll let me know that they're going to be there. 45 In the beginning, when I did my very first consultation 46 I started with Ninilchik. They were to consult on some 47 fiery hot topic and I had also five Kenaitze tribal 48 members there and Lee from Saxman -- Lee, something, 49 and anyway as we started he interrupted and said, 50

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Page 178 1 Orville we cannot have this consultation and excuse me, 2 and he said, well, because you don't have any Board 3 members, and I had failed to call the Federal 4 Subsistence Board members to let them -- or allow them 5 to join, or find out if they were going to join us 6 during the consultation -- per policy we have to have 7 two or more Board members to consult, and that floored 8 me, and I said, oh, man, I didn't do my homework, and 9 so I was pretty embarrassed but I fessed up to it and I 10 think that's the best learning curve anyone can have is 11 to, hey, I've made a mistake, and so I said you know 12 what from this point on I can almost give you 100 13 percent assurance that is never going to happen again. 14 15 (Laughter) 16 17 MR. LIND: Today, we have more Board 18 members on the consultation process than we have tribal 19 members so it works. 20 21 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. 22 23 Rick. 24 25 MR. KOSO: Yeah, I just want to thank 26 you, too, Orville. I know you've contacted me by phone 27 and email and everything that was going on with you 28 there so I really appreciate that and I look forward to 29 continuing it. 30 31 So, thank you. 32 33 MR. LIND: Thank you, Rick. 34 35 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Chris. 36 37 MR. PRICE: Real quick, Orville. And 38 for your bosses and stuff, it's so important when you 39 show up at AFN and the Provider's Conference, we always 40 see you there, it really means a lot to have you out 41 there and representing subsistence and working with the 42 tribes, and so I just want to thank you for that. 43 44 MR. LIND: Quyana. 45 46 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. 47 Yeah, thanks, Orville, definitely the position has 48 evolved over the last few years and I think it's 49 definitely a good thing so much appreciated. 50

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Page 179 1 Thank you. 2 3 And, oh, one other comment, you say the 4 11 positions, hopefully they get filled so everybody 5 can not be so stressed with so much to do. 6 7 Thank you. 8 9 MR. LIND: Thank you, Madame Chair and 10 Board Members. 11 12 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: So I'd like to 13 take maybe a 10 minute break right now and I think we 14 can tie up the last items on our agenda. We do have 15 the sea otter, and we'll get ready for that and then we 16 have our annual report and confirm dates of the 17 meetings and we should be finished for today. 18 19 So 10 minute break. 20 21 MS. SKINNER: Della. 22 23 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Go ahead, 24 Rebecca. 25 26 MS. SKINNER: Della. 27 28 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Go ahead. 29 30 MS. SKINNER: This is Rebecca. I wanted 31 to find out, I sent an email yesterday, I'm not sure if 32 you and/or Donald have access to email there but it had 33 to do with the sea otter workgroup and I just took an 34 excerpt from the transcripts of the last meeting that 35 showed we did take action to establish the committee, 36 appoint members and outline the scope. So I wanted to 37 make sure that you and/or Donald had a chance to look 38 at that before we -- if we're going to discuss the sea 39 otter workgroup again today. 40 41 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Yes, we did. 42 Coral brought that to our attention and..... 43 44 MS. SKINNER: All right, thanks. 45 46 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: .....both of us 47 do have it. So thank you so much for finding that. 48 49 10 minutes. 50

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Page 180 1 (Off record) 2 3 (On record) 4 5 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: So as we call 6 the meeting back to order. Rebecca, I'm going to -- 7 because we're having trouble with the internet, if you 8 can read basically what you found in the transcripts 9 regarding to who was appointed to the workgroup 10 committee and what you had highlighted, we would 11 appreciate it. 12 13 Thank you. 14 15 MS. SKINNER: Are you wanting me to do 16 that right now or are you going to tell me when you 17 want me to do that? 18 19 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: I think we're 20 getting -- hold on Rebecca. 21 22 MS. SKINNER: All right. 23 24 (Pause) 25 26 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, Pat, 27 Antone, please be seated. 28 29 (Pause) 30 31 MR. MIKE: Madame Chair. If I may, 32 I'll address these questions to Rebecca Skinner. So if 33 she can go on record to the Council stating at your 34 last meeting, who, on the Council, was identified to 35 serve on the working group and we'll go from there and 36 what I suggest to the Council is that we'll verify 37 who's on the working group for the sea otter working 38 group committee and the Council will identify 39 potential, two public members and some Federal Staff, 40 wildlife biologist Staff or Marine Mammal Staff, and I 41 requested from our regional office, Pat Simmons, I 42 don't know if he's on line, to give us a quick update 43 on the sea otter populations on the Kodiak Archipelago. 44 45 Thank you. 46 47 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, thank you. 48 Thank you, Donald. 49 50

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Page 181 1 Go ahead, Rebecca. 2 3 MS. SKINNER: All right, thanks. So 4 just for context, I'm going to be reading a portion out 5 of the April 22nd meeting transcript, it's on Page 106. 6 And it is the section where Zach Stevenson, our 7 previous Coordinator, basically gave a summary to the 8 Council of the action that had just passed and if you 9 look farther out, there's like pages and pages of 10 transcript of discussion and that included the various 11 motion. But I'm just going to read the summary 12 statement because I think Zach did a really good job of 13 kind of recapturing for the Council, here's what you 14 guys just did. 15 16 So what it says is: 17 18 The Council has unanimously adopted a 19 motion to establish and to form a sea otter working 20 group. And the working group members include Coral 21 Chernoff, Rebecca Skinner, Natasha Hayden and 22 Christopher Price. The purpose of the working group 23 would be to gather information with respect to sea 24 otter management with the goal of establishing some 25 type of sea otter management program for the region, 26 working through the purpose -- working through the role 27 of gathering information and sharing that information 28 with the Council through consultation with tribes, 29 State and Federal agencies. And that the goal would be 30 to as part of that effort attend a workshop at a 31 predetermined date -- pardon me, at a date to be 32 determined possibly in October of 2019. And that 33 working group would have the ability to appoint who 34 might attend that meeting if and when it occurs. 35 36 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. 37 38 Donald. 39 40 MR. MIKE: Okay, thank you, Madame 41 Chair. Thank you, Rebecca for your summary of the 42 action taken by the Council. And I requested from our 43 regional office, Pat Simmons, if he's available, if he 44 can provide a quick summary of the sea otter 45 populations for Kodiak, and once we hear that I'd like 46 to hear from this Council if they wish to appoint two 47 members from the public and we have a biologist on 48 Staff -- on this working group, and then we'll go from 49 there. 50

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Page 182 1 Thank you, Madame Chair. 2 3 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Comments from 4 the Council. 5 6 (No comments) 7 8 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: So I guess my 9 question is, appoint two members from the public, 10 should that be from the Sun'aq Tribe in Kodiak? 11 12 MR. MIKE: Madame Chair, yes. Sun'aq 13 Tribe or any other tribal members from Kodiak. 14 15 Thank you. 16 17 MS. SKINNER: Della, can I make a 18 comment. 19 20 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Go ahead, 21 Rebecca. 22 23 MS. SKINNER: Yeah, so I appreciate, 24 Donald's kind of push to get us to appoint two members 25 of the public but, you know, based on the discussion 26 we've previously had on this, I -- my understanding was 27 that the working group itself, as part of their 28 discussions would identify who might be most 29 appropriate outside of Council members to participate. 30 I'm a little uncomfortable -- because this request to 31 appoint two additional members of the public just came 32 up yesterday, I'm a little uncomfortable trying to do 33 that when, A, the working group members have not even 34 met yet and secondly, I mean we -- we've kind of had 35 two ideas thrown out, oh, from the Sun'aq Tribe or 36 other tribes in the area, but I feel like that probably 37 the working group could have some really productive 38 discussion and identify what members of the public 39 should be on the working group, or should two members 40 of the public even be on the working group at this 41 point because this is very preliminary. 42 43 So, I guess, my request or 44 recommendation is, I think at this point it's premature 45 to bring extra people into this because we haven't even 46 met and there has been a significant delay. 47 48 That being said, I agree that I would 49 certainly advocate that somebody from Sun'aq Tribe be 50

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Page 183 1 involved, I just -- I'm not sure today is the right day 2 to appoint specific people. 3 4 Thanks. 5 6 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 7 Rebecca. 8 9 Donald. 10 11 MR. MIKE: Thank you, Madame Chair. 12 Thank you, Member Skinner. 13 14 Yeah, I certainly agree with your 15 statements, it's kind of premature to identify public 16 members but my recommendation is that we identified -- 17 we already identified four members from this Council 18 and then if need be, I'd like to suggest that this 19 Council or this working group set up a preliminary 20 meeting date where we can identify the scope of this 21 working group and possibly get an update on the sea 22 otter population from one of our regional office Staff. 23 And I suggest we try to set up a meeting date within a 24 month or so. The reason for that is that I understand 25 the sea otter symposium or meeting in Juneau is coming 26 up pretty quick so we'll need to meet soon as a working 27 group. 28 29 Thank you. 30 31 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Pat. 32 33 MR. HOLMES: Madame Chair. I'll be as 34 brief as I can. I think that we have some pretty good 35 representation with the four ladies and they all have 36 connections with the Kodiak Tribes and a very long 37 history with them and I think that at this point I have 38 to agree with Becky, she worked for years for Sun'aq 39 and, you know, Natasha Hayden is in okay, and I mean 40 all these connections, and Melissa with Old Harbor, so 41 I think they've got a really good group that has some 42 solid understanding and have a good place to build on 43 the whole thing. 44 45 And one thing, I would not necessarily 46 ask this group, but maybe Donald could check, is I had 47 some questions to the sea otter folks on some 48 information requested on why Kodiak was lumped in with 49 Southwest district as endangered because Kodiak's otter 50

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Page 184 1 population has continued to grow and it's far from 2 endangered and I think it's perhaps just a bureaucratic 3 thing and so I would really hope that maybe Donald can 4 dig out why they classify it in that way because they 5 were going to send that to us and we didn't receive it. 6 7 And, thank you, and I salute these four 8 ladies, I would never stand in front of them in an 9 argument. 10 11 Thank you. 12 13 (Laughter) 14 15 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, Pat. 16 So at this point I guess it's just Council consensus 17 that the group will meet in the very near future. 18 Donald will make arrangements. 19 20 Okay, it sounds good. 21 22 Moving on. The next item on the agenda 23 is identify issues for FY2019 annual report. 24 25 Donald. 26 27 MR. MIKE: Thank you, Madame Chair. 28 This is an opportunity for this Council to bring up the 29 2019 annual report items. 30 31 So the annual report is a way to bring 32 regional subsistence uses and needs to the Secretary's 33 attention. So the annual report provides the Council 34 an opportunity to address the Directors of each of the 35 four Department of Interior Agencies and the Department 36 of Agriculture, Forest Service in their capacity as 37 members of the Federal Subsistence Board. So the 38 Council's are requested to take advantage of this 39 opportunity. 40 41 Thank you, Madame Chair. 42 43 And there were a couple of items that 44 the Council wished to bring -- I have to look at my 45 notes again, but you can begin the annual report 46 topics, Madame Chair. 47 48 Thank you. 49 50

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Page 185 1 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: If you look in 2 your book on Page 90 is basically our last -- the 3 response to our last report, so if we want to look at 4 adding items again or continue with items that are on 5 that particular list, I think the one that stands out 6 in the beginning for me is the request for annual 7 survey of Adak Island caribou. 8 9 The issue with trying to get the agency 10 timely reports, you know, that's ongoing and it's just 11 -- it's one of those things everybody is so busy but if 12 people can try to make an effort to accommodate it, it 13 makes it easier for Council members to be able to do 14 their work. 15 16 I think we kind of talked -- this 17 request of notification and tribal consultation 18 regarding special actions. I think Orville did a good 19 job of going over that and what that process is. 20 21 I think that request to maintain full 22 funding, fisheries monitoring, that probably can 23 continue and like all of us know that based on what 24 sort of funding that OSM, so that's basically a moving 25 number and hopefully that gets more fully funded. 26 27 I know we had talked -- I mentioned a 28 couple items yesterday at the meeting and I don't -- 29 let me see if I can figure out what those were also, 30 but does anybody else have other items they would like 31 added at this point. 32 33 Coral, do you have anything. 34 35 MS. CHERNOFF: I think I would like, 36 again, to add that -- I know we've been requesting 37 increased educational opportunities for Council members 38 and new members, you know, such as processes and how 39 they work, proposals, you know, how they move through 40 the system, the different cycles. I know I've been 41 here for six years and I think now, with the AMBCC, and 42 it's taken me a long time to learn and it shouldn't 43 take new members, I think, that long to learn the 44 process if, you know, if like I'm not someone who's 45 involved in tribal things already and so there's a lot 46 that I don't understand about the systems, the 47 different systems, so a really great one day overview 48 of who's head's of departments, what the departments 49 are, how the procedures and processes work, tribal 50

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Page 186 1 consultation, just all that general overview would be 2 awesome. 3 4 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 5 Coral. 6 7 Pat, do you have items that you would 8 like to add to the annual report. 9 10 MR. HOLMES: Madame Chair. I don't 11 know quite how to phrase it but to have some reference 12 to say that our last letter to them that several of 13 these issues still haven't been resolved, like the -- 14 and with that Staffing reductions it's pretty hard to 15 do, but as Coral mentioned information for Council 16 members. We also raised the request here to review the 17 project for FRMP project selection process. That's 18 still a concern. The Adak caribou is still a concern. 19 Timely reports. Some of the folks did it, some of them 20 didn't. And a lot of that is probably because of Staff 21 problems so we might want to -- tribal consultation, 22 that's improved so I don't think that's a continuing 23 thing. Full funding of the Resource Management Program 24 is still of interest. So all of those things except 25 number 5 are still of concern. 26 27 And then our previous letters about 28 filling the requirement and information technician 29 thing, I think we should point out that we don't have 30 any for our whole region and that's of vital 31 importance. 32 33 I think we should also focus on, in our 34 comments earlier in the meeting, about the need to 35 reaffirm the promises we've had from the Director's 36 office about maintaining Staffing and facilities for 37 doing the caribou surveys out of Izembek, particularly 38 for Unimak Island. 39 40 And then I would like to ask our 41 Council to maybe think about -- I understand from 42 Chris, that they've got another environmental 43 conference coming up at Unalaska for next year, and 44 that was such an enlightening thing to me and to be 45 able to talk to folks from Atka and see what they were 46 thinking about and all the folks that came to that 47 conference, I don't know if it's possible for OSM to 48 tap Karen's finesse because I think we got a little 49 grant money on that, but that might be something to 50

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Page 187 1 consider for our next fall meeting, would be possibly 2 going to Unalaska because that would network us with 3 folks in the Pribilofs, the Aleutians and also with 4 some of the folks up in Northwest Alaska. You know I 5 think our work that we've done with facilitation from 6 OSM with Mary Chythlook and her group in Bristol Bay, I 7 think that's been very positive so I think that would 8 answer some of the questions on educating our Council 9 as to concerns and understanding of what's going on in 10 the Bering Sea and the Aleutians. 11 12 Thank you, Madame Chair. 13 14 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, Pat. 15 16 Rick. 17 18 MR. KOSO: Yeah, thank you, Della. 19 Madame Chair. 20 21 Yeah, on the Adak there, I guess I have 22 one other concern on the salmon part of Adak, and I'll 23 have to talk with Lisa on it for this year, but a lot 24 of the people out there don't apply for, you know, the 25 subsistence because they're only allowed 25 and most of 26 them can't get around to get the fish because you have 27 to have a skiff to get the red salmon, you go about 20 28 some miles, usually to another island. But what 29 happens there is the guys that do have skiffs, they go 30 out and they'll bring in a couple hundred fish and they 31 give them to people in town that can't get out and get 32 them so the process that was in place before was that 33 you were only allowed 25 per person to get and that's 34 almost not enough to even run out because it cost so 35 much for fuel, it's over $6 a gallon for gas. And so, 36 you know, it's a four hour round-trip run on the skiff 37 to get them so it's quite costly and what I would like 38 to see happen is that maybe you could give them a 250, 39 like they do in Cold Bay for an amount to catch rather 40 than 25. I don't know if she changed that, I never 41 applied this year for any of that out there, I did mine 42 in Cold Bay, so I'll have to check with Lisa on that to 43 find out. But I could probably be better if I got a 44 little more information and then I could bring it up on 45 our February meeting in Kodiak and see if we can't get 46 something going. 47 48 And then on the caribou, you know, I'm 49 a little nervous about the Alaska Maritime Refuge 50

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Page 188 1 survey of those caribou out there because they're the 2 ones that wanted to kill them all off, we fought with 3 them for quite some time from doing that. So I'd like 4 to have a neutral force whenever they go and do that 5 survey to get an honest shot at those caribou. So I 6 get a little nervous when you say it's Alaska Maritime 7 only that went and looked at them. Not that they're 8 bad people or anything, it's just that we fought for a 9 long time to keep that caribou herd on the island and 10 they wanted to kill them off so there's definitely a 11 different attitude toward them caribou with the locals 12 and the wildlife Refuge. 13 14 So anyway those are just some of the 15 stuff I'd like to, you know, find out a little bit more 16 about and then like I say on the salmon part of it we 17 have until next year anyway so I have plenty of time to 18 maybe get a little more information from Lisa on who 19 all does the -- or how many subsistence requests we had 20 this year for salmon. 21 22 Anyway, thank you. 23 24 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, Rick. 25 26 Antone, do you have any comments for 27 the yearly report. 28 29 MR. SHELIKOFF: Thank you, Madame 30 Chair. Just one request for increased education for 31 Council members. They should have a running tip sheet 32 like I do, I just get my information on line, that is 33 very important. 34 35 Thank you, Madame Chair. 36 37 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. 38 39 Chris. 40 41 MR. PRICE: I'd just like to let 42 everybody know that we are having a conference in 43 Unalaska in the summer of 2020 and it's going to be a 44 Bering Sea community -- all Bering Sea community and 45 tribes that want to attend and we're inviting all the 46 Federal partners as well. So I would like to see, you 47 know, at least somebody like Orville, people at OSM 48 that could participate and be a part of that 49 conference. And, of course, we could see if we could 50

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Page 189 1 find funding for this group to go, like Pat was 2 referring to so to reach out to the communities there 3 further out the Chain. So if we could somehow put that 4 invitation into the report, that would be great. 5 6 Thank you. 7 8 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 9 Chris. 10 11 Rebecca. 12 13 MS. SKINNER: Thanks, Della. I don't 14 have anything in addition to what's already been said. 15 16 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. I 17 think maybe a couple of things. We, as a Council, can 18 recommend to the Board, I think, to continue helping us 19 with this issue in regard to the sea otters and trying 20 to resolve that. I know they hear from other regions, 21 Southeast is an example. I attended the last meeting 22 and so there is an issue and so I think to keep that on 23 the radar. 24 25 The other thing from the past meeting 26 and especially from this morning, I think the report 27 that was given by Ellen from NOAA, there's some fairly 28 scary things in that report and to keep, I think, not 29 only this Council, but all the Council's up to date in 30 what's going on, it's going to be an important task 31 statewide, basically, because it affects all of us. 32 33 I think those are mainly the two that I 34 had, and other than that I'd like to thank the Board 35 for responding to our letter and I know that we had 36 quite a large amount of issues on that report and happy 37 to be working with everybody to work through them. 38 39 Thank you. 40 41 So given that, I think, Donald, I'm 42 going to turn this back to you to confirm the dates, 43 first the winter 2020 meeting and then the fall 2020 44 meeting and locations. 45 46 Thank you. 47 48 MR. MIKE: Thank you, Madame Chair. At 49 our next meeting in the wintertime I'll have the draft 50

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Page 190 1 2019 annual report for the Council to review. In the 2 meantime I'll develop the draft and I'll share it with 3 all the Council members and make sure I captured all 4 the 2019 annual report items. 5 6 As far as our next winter -- the 7 Council needs to confirm its winter meeting 2019 and 8 currently we have on our calendar February 27th and 9 28th in Kodiak, and that's -- you can find it on Page 10 158 in your meeting materials. So if the Council 11 wishes to keep February 27th and 28th, just to confirm, 12 we need that confirmation from the Council. 13 14 Thank you, Madame Chair. 15 16 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Anybody have any 17 conflicts. 18 19 Rick. 20 21 MR. KOSO: Yeah, I think that's a good 22 date. I think if it's -- I'm not exactly sure when the 23 finfish meetings are in Anchorage are on the fisheries 24 but I think the 27th and 28 will work fine because it's 25 usually earlier in the month so I just didn't want to 26 have a conflict with that. 27 28 Thank you. 29 30 MR. MIKE: Madame Chair. If there's an 31 issue with the finfish Board of Fish meetings, I think 32 we have George Pappas on line. Mr. Pappas, the Council 33 is confirming their meeting date, February 27/28, 34 there's no scheduled Board of Fish meeting on those 35 days, right? Correct? 36 37 Madame Chair, thank you. 38 39 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: George, are you 40 on line? 41 42 (No comments) 43 44 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, well, at 45 this point we'll continue with..... 46 47 MS. SKINNER: Hey, Della. 48 49 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Go ahead, 50

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Page 191 1 Rebecca. 2 3 MS. SKINNER: Yeah, sorry, I just 4 wanted to say the Kodiak finfish which is Board of Fish 5 is January 11th through 14th in Kodiak. 6 7 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 8 Rebecca. So I think at this..... 9 10 MS. SKINNER: And Upper Cook Inlet 11 finfish is February 7th to 20th, so there's no 12 conflicts for the end of February. 13 14 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: I think at this 15 point we'll go ahead with the 27th and 28th, however, 16 if something comes up that a member needs to maybe have 17 us take a look at -- relook at this, get a hold of me 18 or get a hold of Donald and we'll do what we can. 19 20 So moving along we'll go to the fall 21 meeting and I'm assuming -- yeah, in Kodiak -- and then 22 the fall meeting is where we're at now, the dates and 23 locations. 24 25 Suggestions. 26 27 Chris. 28 29 MR. PRICE: I'd like to open this up to 30 invite this group to attend the meetings in Unalaska 31 August 24th that we -- or, you know, we can somewhat 32 flexible but I see it's on the fall calendar here. 33 34 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Rick. 35 36 MR. KOSO: Yeah, I think that's a 37 little early. I think there'll be a lot of people 38 still fishing, you know, I would suggest if you're 39 going to have it, be in September, because the salmon 40 fishing usually goes right until the end of August so 41 that would be probably a conflict for a few people. 42 43 MR. PRICE: How about after Labor Day 44 or could we do it that first week of September? 45 46 MR. KOSO: Yeah, that's okay. 47 48 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay. Are we -- 49 let's talk maybe location first, and that way we can -- 50

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Page 192 1 it might be easier to set dates. So are you asking to 2 have it in Unalaska and as the first and maybe the 3 alternate is Cold Bay, what exactly are we looking at 4 and then I think we can look at dates. 5 6 MR. PRICE: I made my suggestion for 7 Unalaska so I'd like to hear from the rest of the 8 group. 9 10 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Pat. 11 12 MR. HOLMES: Yeah, Madame Chair. 13 14 REPORTER: Pat, your microphone. 15 16 MR. HOLMES: Excuse me, geezer thing, 17 brain doesn't work all the time. 18 19 I kind of like Dutch Harbor and it 20 would be really good to be able to attend that 21 conference and it might be a potential to -- Orville 22 you might want to mention it to Mary Chythlook and, you 23 know, that could be one of those things where we do 24 maybe a partial or multiple RAC meeting that could tie 25 in in there somewhere because we got the Western Alaska 26 folks that would be participating in that conference, 27 it might be some way to do -- have some kind of joint 28 interactions between our RAC and Bristol Bay and 29 possibly other places, I don't know. 30 31 But I think Dutch Harbor would be good. 32 If we're going to -- and a fall back on Cold Bay is 33 accessible. We have not been to Sand Point in a long 34 time and I don't know if that's financially feasible 35 but should be something to consider. I would like, and 36 no offense to my good buddy at the end of the table, 37 but it would be good to be able to have it in August or 38 early September so that Sam Rohrer, one of our members 39 that never makes the fall meetings, he's the game guide 40 representative, born in Kodiak, and really understands 41 subsistence but he can never make our fall meeting, so 42 it might be nice, occasionally, to have our meeting 43 time shifted so that he would be able to attend because 44 by mid- to late-August -- or mid- to late September 45 he's out guiding folks and so it's good to have that 46 kind of input to our Council. 47 48 Thank you, Madame Chair. 49 50

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Page 193 1 MS. SKINNER: Della. 2 3 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Go ahead, 4 Rebecca and then Rick. 5 6 MS. SKINNER: Thanks. So I really 7 appreciated the opportunity when we had our RAC meeting 8 out in Unalaska in conjunction with the, I think it was 9 the Aleutian Life Forum is what it was called, and 10 being able to attend the different forums and, you 11 know, interact with lots of the scientists out there, I 12 found that really valuable and so, you know, Chris has 13 brought to the table an opportunity to have the -- if 14 I'm understanding correctly, to have the RAC meeting in 15 conjunction with another gathering that's really 16 bringing that whole region into Unalaska. And I am in 17 support of trying to do that. I guess I'm not clear as 18 to the date of that gathering is set yet, Chris had 19 mentioned, I think the week of August 24th, but then it 20 sounded like maybe that the dates could move. 21 22 So I'm in support of trying to 23 coordinate the RAC meeting with that event. Because 24 the Aleutian Life Forum was also in August and I think 25 we had fairly good attendance for that. I realize it 26 may not be an ideal time but as Pat has pointed out, 27 there is no ideal time for every single member of the 28 Council, and I think being able to go to that regional 29 gathering is very important. 30 31 Also I believe that when we had the 32 meeting in conjunction with the Aleutian Life Forum 33 there was external funding that helped support that, I 34 think. I'm vaguely recalling that when Karen 35 Deatherage was our coordinator, I think she talked 36 about funding that was somehow made available or 37 provided from one of the sponsors of the Aleutian Life 38 Forum. So maybe there's an opportunity if people view 39 this as a valuable thing to have the RAC meeting during 40 this regional gathering, maybe there's opportunities 41 for, you know, supplemental funding to help us get out 42 there, because I know it is -- expense-wise, I think 43 that's a fairly expensive trip. 44 45 So those are my comments. 46 47 Thank you. 48 49 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 50

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Page 194 1 Rebecca. I think we can take that up with the 2 representative from BIA, because if I recall maybe, I'm 3 thinking they helped us with some of their grant money 4 on this project. 5 6 So, Chris. 7 8 MR. PRICE: Yeah, I was involved 9 actually in helping get that money for you guys, it was 10 $10,000 that we got from Aleutian Bering Sea Islands 11 LCC as well. So there was multiple parties that did 12 it. We did get a BIA grant for the conference, so 13 that's why we get to host the conference and we will 14 have some travel scholarships available. So, you know, 15 that's why I'm thinking we could maybe do our meeting 16 the first couple days and then have the conference 17 after, or maybe vice versa, but we haven't set the date 18 for our conference yet so -- but we also could do a 19 report on the Partners. We'll have our first summer 20 under our belt with our Partners Program so that we 21 could present out potentially to this group and even -- 22 you know, I wanted to see this group -- maybe we could 23 get on a boat and go down to -- see some of these 24 places where we set the nets so people can see what 25 it's like to get out and do some fishing in our area. 26 27 So just throwing that out there. 28 29 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 30 Chris. I think it would be helpful to keep in mind 31 that these calendars are for us -- for the Council's to 32 set the date and times because there's Staff that needs 33 to attend these meetings and if we get towards the end 34 of this, we're not going to have a choice, we're going 35 to get what we get. So I think it's imperative that we 36 try to nail these dates down sooner than later. 37 38 Rick. 39 40 MR. KOSO: Yeah, I certainly..... 41 42 MR. HOLMES: Madame Chair. 43 44 MR. KOSO: .....don't have a problem, 45 it'd be great to combine both of those meetings 46 together in Dutch Harbor. I know I've been pushing to 47 get one in Adak for quite a few years and it seems to 48 me like it was either last year or the last meeting 49 before, where we were told that, you know, it's either 50

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Page 195 1 going to be Kodiak and Cold Bay because of the 2 locations. So if we could get them somewhere else I 3 guess we could talk to our financiers and see what they 4 got for funding and stuff on this as far as getting out 5 to the villages. 6 7 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: So possibly as a 8 recommendation, we don't have a date set for Unalaska 9 being the first choice, however, can we set the dates 10 for Cold Bay as a second choice. 11 12 Rick, do you have any recommendations 13 on dates for Cold Bay, maybe after Labor Day. 14 15 MR. KOSO: Well, we got it tentatively 16 set for the 7th, Labor Day, a holiday weekend. 17 18 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: That's a 19 holiday. 20 21 MR. KOSO: Oh, that's just showing the 22 holiday. 23 24 MR. PRICE: That's just showing the 25 holiday. 26 27 MR. KOSO: Oh, excuse me, oh, okay. 28 29 MR. PRICE: It's all open. 30 31 MR. KOSO: Sorry about that. I'm a 32 little dizzy here, it must be time to go home. 33 34 (Laughter) 35 36 MR. KOSO: I don't know the 10th, 11th, 37 anytime in there is fine for me, I don't care. And 38 then it's whatever you can coordinate your other 39 meeting..... 40 41 MR. PRICE: Yeah. 42 43 MR. KOSO: .....yeah, and, then, you 44 know, I don't know we have to put Cold Bay because they 45 told us at one time it's Kodiak and Cold Bay because 46 they're hubs. 47 48 MR. PRICE: Uh-huh. 49 50

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Page 196 1 MR. KOSO: And they didn't have money 2 to take us anywhere else. So if we could get the 3 funding and stuff, you know, Dutch Harbor would be 4 probably pretty good but if we set it up for Cold Bay 5 and then Dutch Harbor if we can afford to do it. 6 7 MR. HOLMES: Madame Chair. 8 9 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Pat. 10 11 MR. HOLMES: How about if we phrase it 12 in this way; if we're going to be doing the meeting for 13 September, let's set September 9th and 10th and we have 14 the potential for Cold Bay, or Sand Point maybe, but 15 put Alaska Peninsula, and I believe in some meetings in 16 the past we were trying to do something, I don't know 17 18 years ago or something, but we just blocked out the 18 whole week and so I think if funding would be available 19 to do the Dutch Harbor conference, I think that would 20 be the most exciting thing and the most educational, 21 the potential for doing communications with more folks 22 in our region as well as the potential of possibly even 23 Bristol Bay, I think that's really good. 24 25 So I'd like to maybe put a question 26 mark for the week of the 24th, and that maybe being our 27 primary goal and then we can settle down on the date, 28 because I've seen this happen before where a Council 29 will say well probably in this time period of a week 30 and then it tightens up because the areas, you know, 31 they'll look at us -- you know, us having defined that, 32 but I really would hope that we can have it in late 33 August or early September so that we can get Sam Rohrer 34 to participate, but I think overall, to me, the best 35 thing is Unalaska for the week of the 24th. 36 37 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, Pat. 38 And I think it's admirable that we try to accommodate 39 to get all the Council members here but when you sign 40 yourselves up for being on this Council we've got to 41 make every effort to make the meetings and 42 unfortunately not everybody -- it is what it is, and I 43 think Sam did make it to the meeting here in Cold Bay 44 last time, I think because it was later in -- well, 45 this is late in September, he did make it last time. 46 47 MS. CHERNOFF: Yes, it was the same 48 time. 49 50

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Page 197 1 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Yeah, it was the 2 same time. 3 4 So, anyway, do we need a motion to this 5 effect or can we just do Council consensus. 6 7 MR. MIKE: If we could get a Council 8 consensus..... 9 10 REPORTER: Donald, your microphone. 11 12 MR. MIKE: You can do Council consensus 13 Madame Chair. So far the second option was Cold Bay 14 September 10th and 11th, so that's what I got in my 15 notes. And the primary location was Unalaska. That's 16 what I have in my notes, and what I'm hearing is the 17 week of August 24th meeting in Unalaska. That's what I 18 was hearing. 19 20 So if we can come up with a consensus 21 from the Council that would be great. 22 23 Thank you, Madame Chair. 24 25 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. Does 26 the Council agree that the week of August 24th through 27 28th in Dutch Harbor as Option No. 1. Option No. 2 is 28 9th, 10th or 11th in either Cold Bay or Sand Point. 29 And if we may also, Donald, check with the powers to be 30 to figure out what we can or can't do in regard to the 31 requested travel on these locations. 32 33 Does everyone agree on these dates say 34 aye. 35 36 IN UNISON: Aye. 37 38 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Rebecca. 39 40 MS. SKINNER: Della. 41 42 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Yes. 43 44 MS. SKINNER: Della, yeah, so I agree 45 on the dates but I would like it clearly noted that we 46 are trying to plan in conjunction with that regional 47 event in Unalaska just in case, if, Chris, if it turns 48 out the dates change if you could let Donald and Della 49 know as soon as possible, I am okay if it shifts by a 50

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Page 198 1 week or two, you know, to be later, but I think the 2 important thing is trying to coordinate with that 3 event. So I just want it clearly documented in the 4 notes and the record that that's what we're trying to 5 do, we're trying to coordinate with this regional event 6 out in Unalaska. 7 8 Thank you. 9 10 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 11 Rebecca, that's a good point. 12 13 So anybody opposed to any of this. 14 15 (No opposing votes) 16 17 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, we are 18 good to go. 19 20 MR. MIKE: Madame Chair. 21 22 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Go ahead, 23 Donald. 24 25 MR. MIKE: Madame Chair. Just for the 26 trying to set up a date for the Unalaska meeting, I'll 27 work with Chris Price and we'll get a date and I'll 28 share it with the Council. 29 30 Thank you. 31 32 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: So, Chris, 33 technically if you try to go between August 24th and 34 28th and your second option for the week following 35 Labor Day then we might hit either one of those. 36 37 MR. PRICE: Okay, sounds good. 38 39 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Yes. 40 41 All right, closing comments. 42 43 I'm going to start with Pat. 44 45 MR. HOLMES: Okay. I'll be brief, 46 Madame Chair. 47 48 I think that this has been a really 49 good meeting. I was just thinking a minute on the 50

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Page 199 1 Dutch, another advantage is that we would have the 2 potential of talking to some people from the Pribilofs 3 because it's been probably at least 15 years since 4 we've had a member from there and so that would be good 5 if we have a vacancy to come from that neck of the 6 woods. 7 8 Before I came to the meeting and after 9 our last meeting I was thinking, well, geez, I'm 10 getting old and maybe it's time to just quit all this 11 stuff because of all the bureaucratic things that have 12 to be dealt with but I'm feeling much more encouraged 13 by -- I've got a greater understanding for the problems 14 at OSM, and I'm just really tickled with Orville's work 15 and particularly with Donald Mike, and I think that 16 we're back moving in a positive direction and so I'm 17 very thankful that we had this meeting and that we've 18 got these good folks working with us. 19 20 Thank you, Madame Chair. 21 22 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, Pat. 23 24 Antone. 25 26 MR. SHELIKOFF: Thank you, Madame 27 Chair. I just had one question or a couple questions. 28 They're concerning bird die-off, like anybody on this 29 Council to answer, if there was any observed bird die- 30 offs? 31 32 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, I guess 33 I'm a little confused. You're asking what now, Antone? 34 35 MR. SHELIKOFF: If there were any 36 observed bird die-offs? 37 38 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay. 39 40 MR. HOLMES: That might be a question 41 for the NOAA lady. 42 43 MS. YASUMIISHI: Yeah, currently 44 we..... 45 46 REPORTER: Up to the microphone. 47 48 MS. YASUMIISHI: I'm sorry. 49 50

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Page 200 1 REPORTER: That's okay. 2 3 MS. YASUMIISHI: Madame Chair. We 4 currently have observations of murre die-offs in the 5 Bering Sea. 6 7 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: And, correct me 8 if I'm wrong, it seems like a report there was less 9 than there has been in the last two years as far as 10 birds. 11 12 MS. YASUMIISHI: Total bird, possibly, 13 event is mimicking another event that was maybe five 14 years ago. 15 16 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. Does 17 that answer your question, Antone. 18 19 MR. SHELIKOFF: Another question. 20 There was one whale die-off too in my area, I was kind 21 of curious, that may have been new too, so were there 22 any other whale die-offs? 23 24 MS. YASUMIISHI: Antone, through the 25 Chair. Yes, we are monitoring and mapping out the 26 unusual mortality event of grey whales that are being 27 observed in the Gulf of Alaska and the Bering Sea, and 28 that's through Kate Savage at NOAA Fisheries at the 29 regional office in Juneau. 30 31 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you. 32 Antone we're doing closing statements. 33 34 MR. SHELIKOFF: My closing statements, 35 it's been a good meeting. 36 37 Thank you, Madame Chair. 38 39 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 40 Antone. 41 42 Chris. 43 44 MR. PRICE: Closing statements. I just 45 want to go back to three years ago when you guys did 46 come out to Dutch Harbor and you did hear from the 47 community about our needs at McLeese Lake and through 48 this process we did get a project, we have an approved 49 Partners Project now and so we've kind of come full 50

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Page 201 1 circle on that, and I'm looking forward to seeing how 2 we can present our Partners project to this group, and 3 hopeful you guys, we can all come out to Unalaska and 4 have a conference and have our meeting out there. 5 6 I just want to thank the people of Cold 7 Bay and the hospitality that we found here, it's been 8 truly amazing and I really want to get back to Cold 9 Bay. 10 11 Thank you. 12 13 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 14 Chris. 15 16 Rick. 17 18 MR. KOSO: Yeah, first I'd just like to 19 thank the Staff and stuff with their great reports and 20 stuff this year. I mean this was probably one of the 21 best meetings we had for information pertaining to our 22 area, you gave some really material and good 23 information for us. Orville Lind, you did a wonderful 24 job and keep up the good work. We'll be on your case 25 for sure. 26 27 (Laughter) 28 29 MR. KOSO: But anyway, I just want to 30 thank the people of Cold Bay also, they did a wonderful 31 job of hosting this and, you know, as a Board, we've 32 been finally moving along and accomplishing a few 33 things, we got a long ways to go and I don't think 34 it'll ever end but I guess that's job security. 35 36 But, anyway, thank you very much. 37 38 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, Rick. 39 40 Rebecca. 41 42 MS. SKINNER: Yeah, I just wanted to 43 thank everyone, all of the Staff and the public who 44 participated in the meeting and then thank the Council 45 for your patience with my telephone participation. I 46 think yesterday it probably was a little frustrating 47 with the late start trying to get the phones working 48 and then I think, you know, multiple comments from the 49 phone people saying we can't hear, but I think today 50

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Page 202 1 the sound quality has been great and I do appreciate 2 again, the patience and the diligence in getting that 3 worked out. 4 5 Otherwise I think it would be great if 6 we can coordinate a RAC meeting with this event out in 7 Unalaska. And I echo Pat's comment that meeting out in 8 Unalaska provides a really good opportunity to directly 9 have people from the Pribilofs at the meeting. And I 10 think just in general having -- being able to attend a 11 regional event, especially a Aleutians regional event, 12 it is a tremendous opportunity, I hope we can make that 13 work out. 14 15 And otherwise, everyone, thank you 16 again. 17 18 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 19 Rebecca. 20 21 Coral. 22 23 MS. CHERNOFF: Yes, I'd like to thank 24 you all for a great meeting. I'd like to thank 25 everyone who came and provided all the great 26 information that we take home with us and share and use 27 to understand the process and the issues a lot better. 28 I would like to thank our new Coordinator for surviving 29 our meeting and thank our technical support for doing 30 -- she had to work a little hard at the beginning of 31 the meeting. 32 33 And, oh, so I guess this is the end of 34 my term and I haven't decided if I'm going to reapply 35 but if I don't it's been a great process and I've 36 enjoyed it and I've learned a great deal. So I may or 37 may not see you next time. 38 39 Thank you. 40 41 And thank you to Cold Bay for the great 42 hospitality, it's just been incredible, I appreciate 43 it. 44 45 Thank you. 46 47 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Yes, I think 48 everybody has spoken well to this meeting. And thank 49 Cold Bay, the public, the food has been awesome. I 50

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Page 203 1 think we had an opportunity to do a lot of one on one 2 with Staff and I think that was helpful. I think, 3 Donald, you know, called me up and said, Della, my 4 first meeting at Kodiak/Aleutians, go easy on me, and I 5 said, okay, Donald, we'll pick on Orville. 6 7 (Laughter) 8 9 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Anyway, thank 10 you Donald you did a great job. Orville you did -- all 11 of you. The Refuge Staff. The reports from both 12 Kodiak and Izembek were very well. The State reports, 13 all the Federal reports. Ellen, we really appreciated 14 your report, that was quite the eye-opener. But all of 15 you, you know, it's wonderful. Peter, we're so glad 16 you made it again. Just having you and Coral with the 17 representation from Migratory Birds at these meetings 18 has been very very welcoming and helpful. So, Tina, 19 thank you again, you always keep us in line and we're 20 going to go for a hunt to find Glenn. 21 22 (Laughter) 23 24 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: With that I want 25 to thank everybody for a good meeting. 26 27 (Laughter) 28 29 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Donald. 30 31 MS. SKINNER: Hey, Della. 32 33 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Donald and then 34 Rebecca. 35 36 MR. MIKE: Thank you, Madame Chair. 37 I'd like to thank the Kodiak/Aleutians Council members 38 for your patience in this transition. I know it may 39 have been challenging at times but I'd like to 40 apologize to Ms. Rebecca Skinner for our 41 miscommunications and the communications -- since I've 42 met everybody it will be a lot more smoother. But I 43 think it was Ms. Coral Chernoff reminded me that we 44 have the nomination cycle -- the 2020 nominations, 45 Christopher Price, Coral and Rebecca Skinner, your term 46 ends in 2020 so if you want to reapply I got some 47 applications here for you to fill out. It's a short 48 form for incumbents and I'll provide these applications 49 to you and, Rebecca, I'll email you a copy of the 50

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Page 204 1 application. 2 3 Madame Chair and Council, thank you for 4 accepting me as your Coordinator. 5 6 Thank you. 7 8 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Thank you, 9 Donald. 10 11 Rebecca. 12 13 MS. SKINNER: Yeah, I just wanted to 14 clarify, so, Coral and my and Chris' term end in 2020 15 so I'm pretty sure Coral will be attending the next two 16 meetings in 2020, because she's not done until the end 17 of 2020. 18 19 (Laughter) 20 21 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay, we'll take 22 a look at that Rebecca. 23 24 All right, everybody, thank you much, 25 we're all going to try -- I'm going to hopefully catch 26 the Cape Denby back to King Cove today, so, thank you 27 and good to see all of you and a very good meeting. 28 29 Rick. 30 31 MR. KOSO: Yeah, just to say that in 32 2019 you got Antone, Pat and myself and also Sam are up 33 this year, so we -- any one of us could be replaced by 34 the end of this year so if we are, I guess hopefully 35 somebody else will fill this chair, so that's what we 36 got coming up this year. 37 38 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Okay. 39 40 REPORTER: So are we adjourned, we need 41 a motion. 42 43 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: We do need a 44 motion to adjourn. 45 46 MR. KOSO: I'll make that. 47 48 MS. CHERNOFF: And I'll second. 49 50

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Page 205 1 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: There's been a 2 motion made and seconded, all in favor signify by 3 saying aye. 4 5 IN UNISON: Aye. 6 7 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: Opposed, same 8 sign. 9 10 (No opposing votes) 11 12 MADAME CHAIR TRUMBLE: 11:16 a.m. We 13 are adjourned. 14 15 (Off record) 16 17 (END OF PROCEEDINGS) 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50

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