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The Water Closet More Wins In Sight By W.C. BLANTON

There is one advantage in writing one's preseason football comments in potential to equal or surpass the achievements of last year's juggernaut. THE PAPER—two games have already been played. So, armed with such ma-, The opening game against North Carolina State, won by Michigan State terial as the Playboy forecast (Iowa at 9-1 and Jerry Burns as Coach of the: 28-10, revealed a devastating ground attack. The running of Jimmy Raye, Year in '65, remember?) and my own prejudices, I will begin a commentary Clinton Jones, Bob Apisa and Dwight Lee probably has not been equalled on Spartan Sports 1966-67 and whatever else should flit across my mind. since the legendary Four Horsemen (of Notre Dame, not the Apocalypse). Two games into the '66 season it appears as if the MSU gridders have the Raye's scrambling, sidestepping and hip fakes brought back memories of Sherman Lewis while the only Samoan-built tank in existence, Bob Apisa, showed no noticeable effects from his operation except a little more power and a strong claim to All-America honors. After watching Floyd Little lead Syracuse to a resounding loss to Baylor and then seeing Clint Jones-in action against N.C. State, there is no doubt in THE PAPER my mind as to what collegiate halfback is the prime contender for the Heisman THE PAPER is published weekly during regular school terms by students Trophy. Jones-with a football in his hand is a fantastic blend of moves, powers of Michigan State University and a few of their off-campus friends. It is in­ and speed ranging from fast to very fast. Even Duffy admits he is the best tended as a channel for expression and communication of those ideas, events around and no member of the Carolina Wolfpack who thought he had a sure and creative impulses which make of the university community a fertile ground tackle only to see it broken will disagree. for the growth of human learning. THE PAPER hopes to help the university In the Penn State game, won by MSU 42-8, the defensive unit led by Ail- strive toward fulfillment of the highest ideals of learning and free inquiry, Americans Bubba Smith and Mickey Webster, and generally unsung hero by reporting and commenting on the university experience and encouraging Charles "Dog" (not "Mad Dog" or "BigDog"--just"Dog") Thornhill showed others to do so. , no sign of being inferior to last year's gang-tackling hardnoses. Gene Wash­ ington, enjoying the surprise luxury of not having to come back and fight for Correspondence should be addressed to: THE PAPER underthrown passes, gathered in four tosses for 143 yards and two touch­ Box 367 downs, as Jimmy Raye showed that he can pass when he concentrates on it. East Lansing, Mich. 48823 Other highlights of the opening games were the sparkling play of the in­ experienced interior of the offensive line, the outstanding downfield blocking Offices are located at 217 Center St., East Lansing, Tel.: 517-351-73731 of such Spartans as Tony Conti, and the all-around excellence of sophomore tight end, split end and punt returner Al Brenner. THE PAPER is a member of the Syndicate. As for the rest of the season, there are a number of hazardous roadblocks in the path to another 10-0 regular season. Illinois was highly touted in pre­ Editor and Resident Beatnik . . Michael Kindman season analyses and despite losing to SMU 26-7 and Missouri 21-14, the Illini Assistant Editor and Culture Vulture Laurence Tate are always dangerous at Champaign-Urbana, where State has never won. Then Bashful Secretary and Staff Writer '. .v Char Jolles there's the Ann Arbor school. Purdue has Bob Griese with even better re­ Unbashful Staff Writer Stephen Badrich ceivers than last year. Woody Hayes has been waiting to get at Duffy's charges God and Man at Yale Douglas Lackey with his best-ever crop of sophomores at Columbus ever since last year's Staff Pornographer in Absentia Richard A. Ogar 32-7 thrashing of his Ohio State Buckeyes. An improved Indiana, troublesome Oft-Neglected Albany Correspondent Carol Schneider in '65, plays MSU at home. Then there's Notre Dame, seeking revenge with the Office Manager and Free Spirit Judie Goldbaum new Golden Boy, Nick Eddy, Larry Conjer, two outstanding quarterbacks, Frustrated Ad Salesmen Carol Hurlbutt, John Wooley and a huge, tough, experienced defense. And The Lounge as Himself Michigan State could easily lose three or four games—but I don't think it will. The boys look like they want to play. A Word To Freshmen

So this is the university. This latter aim of the university is enjoy yourself." Parents tend to pass mass conformity. The process is so You—all 7,000 of you freshmen- the most subtle; its implications are these moral lessons on to their chil­ subtle that it can't conceivably be are here doubtless under the as­ most intriguing. dren, in an effort to make their path deliberate; neither can one pinpoint sumption that the next four years are The university is well-suited for to maturity an easier one. exactly how students are conditioned the best years of your lives. Of all the task of conditioning — however In addition to anonymity, American to be the ''effective citizens" a the misconceptions you, as begin­ subtly—its inhabitants psychological­ education is characterized by the smoothly running society demands. A ners, must have about college, the one ly for the outside world, for MSU, competitive spirit. At Michigan State, study published in 1963 by Irvin Leh- that distinguishes Michigan State Uni­ like American society as a whole, can where there are over 35,000 students, mann and Paul Dressel,bothof MSU's versity from the real world and, be characterized by, among other competition is vicious, and hence Office of Institutional Research, re­ hence, from the rest of your lives, things, the condition of anonymity, prepares the student for his economic veals that changes in Weltanschau- will be the first to go. the pressure of conformity, and the life in the adult world. Education is ungen after two or more years of Michigan State is by its very ori­ spirit of competition. Let us briefly treated here as an obstacle course; college education "were generally gin intimately related to the outside look at each of these realities. the goal is survival. in the direction of acceptance of more world. Its beginning can be traced to Anonymity in the classroom sig­ The winners are those who over­ conventional positions (pertaining to the Morrill Act of 1862—an act that nificantly affects the educational pro­ come the hurdles—who can think and dress, morals, and behavior), re­ granted states federal land to sell for cess. For example, hundreds of stu­ write the most sharply for a 50- flecting perhaps a tendency toward funds to establish and sustain col­ dents enroll every term in Philosophy minute exam, who can remain emo­ conformity to prevailing cultural leges. The purpose of the act was to values and attitudes . . . democratize education — to make 323, Existentialism. Alienation before tionally stable and intellectually lucid higher learning available to the work­ an indifferent universe is never felt during six tension-ridden days of "These changes could be a reflec­ ing class (then including all but a more acutely. Who dares to stop the finals, who can get the books out of tion of the cultural attitudes in both wealthy elite), to provide a growing lecture with a question or comment? the library first, who can adjust to the college and societal settings." industrial nation with the scientific What possible difference could any­ the spirit-breaking routine of ten

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Room 362 of the Cannon Office of the Committee by the attorneys of Building is officially designated as a hostile witnesses, who refused to work "caucus room." Two cut-glass chan­ in "an atmosphere of terror and in­ deliers each five feet across hang timidation." And so spectators filing from its distant ceiling. The long in could see the Vietnam Day Com­ walls are pale yellow and broken by mittee's Jerry Rubin in his faded pilasters that burst into acanthus Continental Army uniform, but not leaves at the ceiling and by bas-re­ Beverly Axel rod, Rubin's lawyer. liefs showing Athena's helmet lying on Neither she nor any other lawyer ap­ piles of quivers and swords. On the peared on behalf of the opponents of floor is an old green carpet striped the war. with tape to indicate where folding About fifty Washington policemen chairs should be placed on days when lined the walls of the room while a committee is meeting. The room four or five others on the floor seat­ is kept cool, almost cold. ed spectators, whistling at anyone who An enormous mahogany table wandered away and snapping their mounted on a dais runs like a hori­ fingers as they pointed to seats. zon line completely across one end of Three elegant young people sat down the room; behind it, among folios and together on one side of the central microphones, glass pitchers and in­ aisle. A cop motioned one of them to verted stacks of Dixie cups, memb­ fill an empty seat on the other side. ers of the House Un-American Ac­ "But we're together, sir.""Sittheah, tivities Committee recently wound up or else you go out." their hearings on Vietnam dissent. About a dozen plainclothesmen On one unusually quiet day, Thursday, stood in the aisle talking among August 18, it went like this. themselves. One of them laughed At about 10 a.m., police began to quietly; the metal of the pair of hand­ admit spectators to the Caucus Room, cuffs he wore at his waist shone leading groups of them upstairs from through the weave of his summer the first floor corridor where some suit. A man with a light bar and an­ of them had waited for hours. Al­ other with a softly burring camera most all were young; a few were moved down the rows of seats pho­ tourists, more came from the Wash­ tographing the audience; some smiled ington area, and still more, probably, or saluted, a few ducked behind news­ had come down from on papers. Two young repeaters from buses chartered by the Progressive New York identified the men to a re­ Labor Party, the Fifth Avenue Par­ porter as "FBI and Committee peo­ ROOM 362 ade Committee, and other organiza­ ple." "They do this every day," the tions. Many of the New Yorkers were reporter was told. "It's just a ha­ Jerry Rubin had disappeared behind a propriety and sense of decency" and repeaters, and had been in the Cau­ rassment thing." wall of plainclothesmen. The New reminded them that the Committee is cus Room the day before to see Ar­ One of the New Yorkers, who said Yorker gave the reporter the man's an arm of the Congress and that Con­ thur Kinoy, five-foot-two Rutgers he was present as "a representative name and identified him as a "pro­ gressional business is the people's University professor and distinguish - of my conscience," also pointed to fessional witness," who had "joined business. But he added that he "must ed civil liberties lawyer, violently re­ an abstracted-looking young man the Communist Party at fifteen-and- insist on order" and that "the chair moved from the room by police. Kin- a-half, quit at seventeen," and had will take steps to maintain order." TJ opening a briefcase. He was seated ~oy B 'removal had caused a boycott at the front of the room, near where "been making his living by testify­ At the right wall, a Negro poUce-^ ing ever since." man who looked seven feet tall shift-* The reporter asked them if they ed his weight from one foot to the didn't surely, surely believe that the other. last professional witness had left Ichord then called the first wit­ Washington for Limbo about the time ness, Mr. Edwin Meese III, assist­ of the Army-McCarthy hearings. The ant district attorney of California's New Yorkers shrugged. In the Smith­ Alameda County, which includes Ber­ GIBSON'S BOOKSTORE sonian Institution, across the Mall keley. Meese had been sworn in the from the hearings, there is a glass day before, and at the Committee's case containing a lungfish once be­ urging he picked up his testimony at lieved by scientists to have been ex­ the point where he had left off: the tinct for millions of years. duplicity of Berkeley's Vietnam Day WELCOMES YOU! At 10:15, Rep. Richard Ichord, Committee. Democrat of Missouri, banged his Meese, who appeared to the au­ gavel and shouted, "The Committee dience as the back of a crew-cut will come to order." Ichord said head, explained how VDC's high com­ that the acting Committee chairman, mand had publicly rescinded calls Rep. Joe Pool (D.-Tex.), had been for civil disobedience, all the while unavoidably detained, and that he, privately expecting "individual mem­ For All Ichord, would conduct the hearing bers" to get "carried away." Meese until Pool arrived. (It was errone­ later said of VDC meetings: "It was ously whispered in the audience that not unusual for a young-looking po­ Your 1. Textbooks Pool was at Kinoy's trial, which ac­ lice officer to attend." Committee tually began late that afternoon. In members, almost all of them in fun­ the first day's testimony, U.S. dep­ eral blue or black, listened gravely, Course 2. Art Supplies uty marshals admitted under cross- even though Meese's testimony con­ examination that they had started for tained very little not already re­ 3. Paper Kinoy before being so ordered by ported in the press and nothing not Needs Pool.) In fact, Ichord dominated the already in the Committee's files. 4. Notebooks meeting even after Pool returned. Meese then described how his of­ Ichord began with an "admonition" fice had infiltrated a meeting of the Plus to members of the audience. He ap­ VDC's Strategic Research Commit­ pealed to their collective "sense of tee, charged with drawing up a "sol- Friendly SAVINGS Courteous ZEITGEIST PRESENTS: ON PROFILE OF A POET - SL Service, USED HUNCE It's BOOKS F EK LINGHETT (READING FROM HIS WORKS) Gibson's l»:15 P.M. Reading - Arena Theater, Auditorium ($1.00), 7:30 P.M. Autograph Party> Paramount Hevs, East Lansing 9:30 P.M. ?m???m????? 128 w. Grand River - One block West of the Union MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 HUAC Meets the VDC, Et Al. By STEPHEN BAORICH Sketches by Char Owens dler leaflet** for distribution to troops. Rep. Ed Willis of Louisiana interrupted Meese to say that while this part of Meese's testimony was 'I hear America singing, the varied carols i hear/ — Walt Whitman not really germane to the legisla­ tive purposes of the Committee, he felt that people who attempt to un­ dermine troop morale not only "fall short of loyalty to this government" brook (R.-Ohio), smiling, had reach­ but are also "yellow-bellied cowards, ed out for it when someone rose at in my opinion." His voice rose for the the front of the room to object. crucial phrase. Stirrings in the au­ This galvanized Ichord into action. dience. Rep. Ichord thanked Willis He banged his gavel, producing a for his contribution. cannon fire noise in his microphone, Meese next talked about the "ex­ and shouted: "Definitely out of order! tensive logistics arrangements" be­ No, you will be given a chance to hind VDC attempts to disrupt oper­ testify." The objector sat down. ation at Oakland Army Base. Asked This temporarily charged the at­ if he thought such attempts "went mosphere of the room, and a few beyond overt acts against the gov­ members of the audience started ernment" and constituted "aid and visibly when a passing cop hit a comfort to the enemy," Meese ad­ small chandelier on the wall, making mitted that this was a possible in­ its glass prisms rattle. terpretation. Meese went doggedly on, produc­ REP. POOL (CENTER) AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS He said that police had feared ing more Misleading Clues. Copies trouble at the base and then added of the pamphlet had reached Vietnam can" and adjourned the Committee for lution means external aggression." that their fears had been realized, ... but apparently the VDC was not lunch. He handed the questioner a copy of but this turned out to be what mys­ responsible. Alameda County had been Reporters crowded around Rubin, his testimony, which compared the tery writers would call a Misleading "bombed" with anti-war leaflets the cynosure of the witness table in American and "Vietnamese revolu­ Clue, Trouble had started only when dropped from a light plane . . . but his blue and white uniform and buckle tions and ended with a Catilinarian "members of a motorcycle gang broke this action was "not traceable spe­ shoes. "The Pool bill will allow the message for Committee members: through police lines and started at­ cifically to the VDC." In an aside, President and the State Department "As for you, gentlemen, History will tacking the demonstrators." Meese regretted that the County had to make-foreign policy," Rubin told condemn you," Ichord interrupted Meese to ask had to settle for convicting the fliers them, by making it illegal to oppose This touched off a minor incident. if he had personal knowledge of an or "littering streets." Muted sounds "Presidential wars," even when such "You said that was yoah testimony," incident at the Concord Naval Wea­ of amusement in the audience. Ichord wars are not supported by Congress. a cop said accusingly, pointing to the pons Base in which an ABC camer­ again brought down his gavel. Asked about his background, Rubin paper Rubin had given the reporter. aman had had his camera broken and In answer to a question, Meese ad­ said he was 28, from Cincinnati "It is, it is," said Rubin, "Waal, his microphone cord cut. (This was mitted that "an increasing amount ("That's the worst part of my back­ you do not give out ANYTHANG in of our time, manpower, and resourc­ ground."), and a socialist. He had heah!" Rubin argued, saying it was es" have been tied up in surveil­ been "heavily influenced" by Marx, only "words." Police moved up. lance of VDC - type activity. This but also, he insisted, by Jefferson "Let's continue this outside," Rubin prompted Ichord to wonder aloud and Paine. said, "where there'smorefreedom." "how the finances were raised for Asked about his uniform, Rubin "Yaal git outa heah!" the officer told such things." Committee Counsel Ar­ said that "in a sentence", he was what remained of the audience. They thur Nittle spoke up from his seat wearing it because he felt the Am­ did. at a table in front of the dais to say erican Revolution had been betrayed The New York repeaters played the that "in excess of $30,000 has passed by "the doctrine that Internal revo­ continued on page 8- through Vietnam Day Committee ac­ counts." He promised to produce more testimony at a later date. Jerry Rubin raised his hand ten­ tatively a few times during this ex­ change, but no one on the Committee noticed. Meese devoted the last few DOEsLvU minutes of his testimony to reading off lists of sponsors and signers of things, establishing connections be­ tween the VDC and some of the peo­ ple the Committee had subpoenaed. IN SUGAR CUBES Rubin smiled and flashed the victory JERRY RUBIN symbol whenever his name was men­ SPOIL THE TASTE OF COFFEE???? soon revealed to be another Mis­ tioned. Rep. Ashbrook, normally gen­ leading Clue. The newsman was at­ ial-looking, gave Rubin a fishy stare tacked by Marines.) "Yes, Mr. Chair­ and quietly pointed him out to the man," said Meese, he did have such Committee member on his left. knowledge, and he proceeded to give Meese's parting gun was the rev­ it. Meese read his testimony from a elation of "the close correlation be­ prepared typescript, and there was tween students involved in the Sproul every indication that it incorporated Hall sit-in in October and the Viet­ answers to Committee members' pre­ nam Day Committee." Like other pared questions. In more than an hour witnesses, Meese prondunced the last of testimony, Meese never once stam­ syllable of Vietnam to rhyme with mered or hesitated to remember a "Guam." Committee members pro­ fact, choose a word, or qualify a nounce it to rhyme with "Sam." about statement. Meese was excused. Rep. Ashbrook Meese then told about a VDC cam­ noted that in all his years in Con­ paign to inconvenience the Army by gress he had never met a witness forcing them to stop training Army who "knew his subject better" and war dogs in Tilden Park. He read said he wanted to "go on record as Dr. Timothy Leary, Ph.D. propaganda signs VDC members had saying: We thank you." It had been posted on trees. More serious, he "most enlightening." Rep. Willis of said, is the continuing VDC cam­ the yellow-bellied coward remark . RECORDED UVE AT THE CASTAUA FOUNDATION-DR. LEAHY'S CENTER FOR RESEARCH ON paign against the draft. He cited in­ called Meese's testimony "a fresh CONSCIOUSNESS-EXPANDING DRUGS. stances and then read selections from breeze from Berkeley." Or it may a VDC anti-draft pamphlet ("Be an have been Rep. Buchanan of Ala­ SEND 13.00 PER RECORD CHECK OR MONEY ORDERS ONLY. WE RAY POSTAGE epileptic," etc.) that caused Com­ bama. Everyone on the Committee mittee members and a few people had a microphone, and there was a SEND ME COPIES OF DR. TIMOTHY lEARTS LP RECORDING ON LSD in the audience to laugh. Meese of­ tendency for more than one member ENCLOSED IS A CHECK OR MONEY ORDER FORI fered the pamphlet for the record, to talk at once, producing a kind of even though the Committee already Cave of the Winds effect. Snorts of has copious evidence of the VDC's disgust in the audience. Rep. Pool TO: PIXIE RECORDS, INC opposition to the draft, and Rep. 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"Tom Sawyer Underground** is THE PAPER'S new miscellany column. It will have no regular columnist; contributions of a less serious nature are solicited. The opening column is by S.P.B. and concerns Freshman Orientation. -The Editors Please listen carefully. I am your friend, and I am writing this in the hope of making your Freshman Orientation more—you might say—meaningful. Below is a master list of all the things on campus that matter, and many that don't. It is conveniently divided, and should prove to be a valuable short cut to success, no matter what your life-style. Don't try to memorize it. Just clip it out and carry it around in your wallet for the first term or so. When in doubt about anything, display a polite skepticism. And good luck. Remember, people have made it even without this list.

LOW CAMP MIDDLE CAMP HIGH CAMP 1. Beaumont Tower, 1. Eppley Center 1. Artificial Insemi­ Parking Ramp nation Laboratory, Wells Hall Dateline: XANADU 2. Big Boy's 2. Spiro's 2. Wonders Grill 3. A major in hotel 3. A major in urban 3. A major in Chinese In Xanadu did Kubla Khan management planning 4. The Wolverine, 4. Red Cedar Review, 4. Zeitgeist's list of A stately plea sure* dome decree. . . . COLERIDGE Zeitgeist editorials Zeitgeist (except contributors, The for its list of con­ Spartan Engineer Recently shepherds of the Kizyl Dihquan kolkhoz gathered in a tributors) pasture not far from Kushka. 5. Young Democrats' 5. Young Americans 5. Si no - American The Council of Ministers and the Central Committee of the Com­ Club. for Freedom, SDS Friendship Society, munist Party of Turkmenistan Young Republicans Had awarded them the Red Banner for their unprecedented success Club in animal husbandry, 6. Douglas Lackey, 6. Douglas Lackey, 6. Not knowing who And Comrade Jumayev Nruli, chairman of administration, bad asked the myth the man Douglas Lackey is district center for a propaganda brigade, 7. Les Gourmets, 7. Orchesis, Humanist 7. Angel Flight, Iran­ its leader was Comrade Propagandist Sadkhanov, second secretary Spartan Pistol Club, Society ian Student Club, of the Komsomol raikom. Scabbard and Blade Jazz Society of He spoke at some length about the 1,500 irrigation projects the West Circle Drive Soviet regime has constructed, 8. Sigma Chi 8. Sigma Alpha Mu 8. Farm House Particularly the Tashkeprin reservoir, with its capacity of 150 9. Baptist Student Un­ 9. Student Religious 9. Campus Crusade million cubic meters of water, ion Liberals for Christ The Kolkozbent reservoir (50 million cubic meters) and the new 10. Premarital sex 10. Premarital sex with 10. Continence Kaushutbent Hydrological Station. without a meaning­ a meaningful rela­ Comrade Sadkhahov concluded that a century-old dream of the ful relationship tionship - "'"•"'•. •'.: v- '* Turkmen people was being realized. 11. ATL 111 11. HUM 243 11. HPR 105 When he fell silent, many happy exclamations of approval were 12. Larry Tate's movie 12. Laurence Tate's 12. Laurence Tate heard from the shepherds. reviews drama reviews The bakhshi who had come along, the bards Mamedorazov Batyr 13. East Grand River 13. West Circle Drive 13. Middlevale Road and Bakhshiev Mukhy, 14. Campus Book Store 14. Spartan Book Store 14. Gibson* s Book Store Sang a song of the Turkmen people about the great Stalin; its 15. J.R.R. Tolkein, J.D. 15. Joseph Heller, 15. Tobias Smollett, last lines ran: Salinger Thomas Pynchon William Gaddis /'There is nothing more precious in the world to us/ Than 16. The Pop Entertain­ 16. The Lecture - Con­ 16. The Isenberg Me­ thy radiant name.** ment Series cert Series morial Lectures But presently a breeze blew from the direction of the steppes, 17. Mit - Moore, L. 17. Jen - Johnson, R. 17. Wink—Woodk the shepherds* bells clanked, and it grew somewhat cold. 18. Freshman Orienta­ 18. H o m e c o ming, 18. Union Board Week, Gradually the light died away in the pasture, until Comrade Sad­ tion, Lantern Night International Fes­ May Morning Sing khanov and the propaganda brigade became very hard to see. tival "Yeah, and I also STEP. BADRICH 19. "No, but I saw the 19. 19. "Virginia who?" movie.*' saw it on the stage." (Based on a Pravda article 20. Innocence 20. An End to Innocence 20. Innocence Regained quoted at length by Dwight Macdonald.) 21. Bicycling to class 21. Walking to class 21. Seldom going to class 22. Winter term snow 22. The sculpture out­ 22. Sparty sculpture side Kresge Art Center 23. A or B 23. A or X 23. A, B, D, V, X, I or

24. Spartan Brass 24. MSU Jazz Band .24. Spartan Bellring- ers, Wendell Wes- lira soci cott on the carril- • lon 25. Mononucleosis 25. Ulcers 25. Gout 26. Sex with guilt 26. Sex without guilt 26. Guilt without sex 27. Sounds, Inc. 27. Spartan Brass 27. The James K. Polk Memorial Rock Band 28. SpinBter Spin 28. Shaw mixer 28. ROTC Military Ball 29. Campus Theater 29. International Fiwn 29. Exploring Cinema Series Society 30. 355-9511 30. 355-2327 30. 355-2314 A bonus! Ten things are on campus that are BEYOND CAMP!!!!: 1. Welcome Week. 2. A Master of Landscape Architecture Degree (M.L.A.). 3. Food Science 405: "Cheese." 4. Associated Students of Michigan State University. 5. Food Science 403: "Ice Cream and Frozen Desserts." 6. Jim Sink. 7. This list. 8. The Swine Research Center. 9. The Questing Beast. 10. Faye Unger's religion column in the State News. conrad liall /2i 4 35* - 7Z 73 HH^i»l»U»lll.,....HUI.IUUUMU...UULlri H 7 Culture At MSU

By LAURENCE TATE Guess what. Day's Journey Into Night." The de­ By our usual undemocratic pro­ partment has two consistently good cedures, I've been delegated to tell directors, Sidney Berger andMariam you about Culture at MSU. Luckily* Duckwall, and one inconsistently bad for everyone, it won't take long. one, Frank Rutledge. This year's As your guide through MSU's Cul­ schedule of plays really doesn't turn tural—how can I say it?—Wonder­ me on, but 111 probably see them all land, I should warn you I have cer­ (courtesy of my own money, since tain blind spots. Art, music, and the my press pass was withdrawn on the dance, for example. (This is known ground that I wrote only "abuse and in the trade as Disarming Candor.) inaccurate reporting"). In these areas I have consulted re­ Three times a year bus-and-truck liable sources, i.e., somebody else's touring companies do Broadway shows prejudices instead of my own. in the Auditorium. As a rule, either Since I don't like anything on tele­ the play is ghastly (e.g., "The Ab­ vision except "The Monkees," I'll sence of a Cello") or the production start with the second massest of the is (e.g. "A Man for All Seasons"). cultural media, movies. East Lan­ This year's three—"Royal Hunt of sing has two commercial theatres, the Sun," "Half a Sixpence," and the Campus and the State. The Cam­ "Generation"—look typical. pus once devoted a full term to a Way off in Okemos (out past Fee, ten-week run of "Goldfinger"; the even) a group called the Community State, on the other hand, blew a term Circle Players does some good things on a Walt Disney True-Life-Adven­ now and then. The theatre itself (a ture Festival. That should give you barn near a busy railroad track) is some idea. not exactly Lincoln Center, but the dermis trover The university-sponsored Inter­ culture is probably better. THE SPARTAN BELL-RINGERS national Film Series (formerly the My Reliable Sources in art dis­ Foreign Film series, until somebody agree with each other. I asked them, sensed a certain lack. tion than a keepsake. noticed that most of the films were essentially, whether, if a student The St*te N*ws (as one of its Z**tg**st is not subsidized by the American, and it sounded pretty silly felt like going out and looking at the award citations once phrased it) "cov­ university. That much should be said to say you'd just been to the Foreign paintings and sculpture on view lo­ ers the campus like a thick blanket." for it. Independent literary magazines Film Series to see "West Side Story") cally (mostly in Kresge), it would be Further comment from me would be should be encouraged. Z**tg**st reg­ has been inconsistent. I don't know worth the effort. The first one said, superfluous. ularly runs ads in The New York whether you can still go to see an essentially, not a chance. He rec­ (Oh, yes* This year the St*te N*ws Review of Books and Saturday Re­ obscure Czecho slovakian master­ ommended the Detroit Institute of plans to initiate a once-a-week cul­ view (that I've seen, anyway) calling piece and find it preceded by a couple Art. The other one said Kresge was ture spread, or planned to the last itself "the best in college writing." of Bill Stern Sports Spectaculars and like Elizabeth Taylor in "Virginia I heard. This effort should be en*- Words fail me. a travelogue about motoring through Woolf": all right, if you consider the Couraged; you cannot imagine what Iceland. Last year you sure could. Finally there is TH* P*P*R, which problems involved. She says there are a radical departure it is). you are reading and which a silly The slogan of the MSU Film So.- some good exhibitions, that the art R*d CM*r R»v**w (subsidized by ciety is something like, "The best journalistic convention prevents me faculty does some good stuff—that the university) usually turns up in the from praising. films under the worst conditions.** kind of thing. I looked her straight late spring, sells 750 copies to Tfie" films are consistently Interest­ in the eye and said, "Are you sure friends, relations, and faculty mem­ If you want to look at it that way, ing; the projector is consistently in­ you're a Reliable Source?" She glar­ bers, and disappears for another year. you can see such things as the Popu­ consistent. ed at me and said, "Of course," In the past, the only advice I've been lar Entertainment Series and Water There are drive - ins scattered Take your pick. able to give those seeking a copy ms Carnival as part of MSU's Culture. around the area (which generally al­ In the three years I've been here, wait till May and for God's sake doR*t Hell, for all I care, you can get your ternate between "Poor White Trash" the Lecture - Concert Series has blink. This year the editor (last I cultural kicks by watching the ducks arid" "Brides of Dracula") and two brought Mantovani twice and Fred heard, again) planned to publish once screw around in the Red Cedar and big theatres in Lansing, where you Waring and his Pennsylvanians once. a term. The level of writing it pub­ humming the MSU Fight Song. Don't can go to see "Cleopatra" and "How (The story goes that there was a lishes is generally not-bad-to-awful expect any encouragement from me, the West Was Won" and (this week) choice between booking "Who's Afraid (I can talk; they printed a story of that's all. "The Greatest Story Ever Told." of Virginia Woolf?" and a second mine once), but the thing is illus­ And if all else fails, you can al­ It isn't exactly a Rich Harvest. night of Fred Waring; MSU did not trated and packaged (if not proof­ ways go to the library and get a good Now, obviouBly, a state university see "Who's Afraid of Virginia read) so. beautifully that you can't book. As one of my professors once in central Michigan is NOT the place Woolf?") bear to throw it away. Heretofore, advised, "Try the second volume of a to come if you're crazy about the­ But Dy and large, Reliable Sources anyway, it has been less a*pt*lica- trilogy; we specialize." atre, but we do better than you might agree, the series brings pretty good expect. In Fairchild Theatre, the Per­ orchestras, singers, and musicians. forming Arts Company mounts five Of course, they bring them TO the sort - of - expensive productions per Auditorium (which used to be used for year; in the past the Arena has done cattle shows, in case you've wonder­ beginning next week, about the same number, although they ed) where the acoustics are—haha— seem this year to be cutting down. not so good. Rumor has it that there The acoustics in Fairchild are are about thirteen good seats in the such that (as one English professor Auditorium, although Rumor doesn't repeatedly puts it) "unless you're in have any more idea than I do where the last row, you either hear nothing they are. or hear everything twice." The Aren- Consulting a Reliable Source on our a productions are done in the round, indigenous music, I got the following which sounds keen but means in prac­ summary: "The orchestra is good; tice that at the play's climax the main the band is quite good; the choir is character is always looking the other mediocre; and the music department way. (is coprophagous)." The productions themselves range As for the dance, well, we printed from a "Hamlet'' called by one teach­ a review of an Orchesis show last er "the worst production I've ever year. I seem to recall that it was seen of any play, any time, any­ mildly affirmative. (Sorry. My Reli­ where" to a brilliant job on "Long able Sources copped out.) The Lec­ ture-Concert brings some terrific ballet companies, even if they all do «*i.*i.i.*********'«^ "Swan Lake." »aaa Now, as we all know, the REAL cultural barometer of a community is the publications it supports, or (in our case) fails to support. With­ out wishing to be snapping at the op­ position, I must nevertheless say SOMETHING to make this tour through probably: "A Hard Day's Journey player and member of the slum the descending circles of MSU cul­ Into Night," a para journalistic proletariat; Dick Starkey, a little ture complete. To avoid offending prose happening in two or more drummer boy; and John Lennon, anybody. I won't name any names. parts by Stephen Badrich, THE noted observer of the religious When I got here, in the dear dead PAPER'S man in Washington, , scene, the man who has been call­ days of long ago, MSU had two stu­ D.C. An account, sort of, of a ed the Bishop Pike of popular dent publications: the St*te N*ws, Beatles press conference and culture. SPECIAL FEATURE: a THE PAPER: takes the which came out five days a week, concert, it stars Paul McCart­ guest appearance by George Lin­ and R*d C*d*r R*v**w, which came ney, international playboy and coln Rockwell, the nation's num­ out once a year. There were a per­ folk hero; George Harrison, sitar ber one Nazil worry out of being close. ceptive few of us who, even then, gavel. Ten more police entered the mittee hearings as a "naked attempt' continued from page 5 room. to intimidate and smear opponents Anton, addressing Nittle: "What's of an "unjust war." HUAC your name, Mr. Lackey?" Nittle then began questioning Mc­ Nittle ignored this and asked Anton Rae, asking him who had persuaded sandwich machines on the first floor. by "any political organization" on if he had been subpoenaed. Anton him to join the peace movement. No one unwary enough to go farther Federal property. The student was answered, "The fact is, Mr. Lackey, McRae replied that he had begun to got back in; lines for the afternoon wearing a Student Peace Union but­ I have to face you people." Asked if oppose the war after seeing photo­ session began forming almost im­ ton. No, the student had never heard he had counsel, Anton said that "no graphs of "American atrocities" in mediately in the marble corridor of such a law. He had worn his button self-respecting lawyer would come Vietnam. downstairs. By 1:30, half an hour be­ on Army bases. The policeman pa­ into this courtroom now." McRae refused to answer ques­ fore the Committee reconvened, the tiently reexplained, saying it was his The next minute or so was hard to tions about Anton and another stu­ line was 300 yards long with police­ duty to inform everyone of the law, follow. There were lightning ex­ dent, saying that such questions vio­ men spaced every ten feet along its "not just you." The student shrugged changes between Anton and various late the First Amendment. "This length. and took off his button, leaving a Committee members. The final pas­ disgusts me," he told Nittle. "I will The men with the light and camera white "End the war in Vietnam" sage went like this. not stoop to the level of an animal." reappeared and photographed the first button that named no organization. Ichord, shouting: "We don't have He advised Nittle to call Anton back fifty people in line. Rep. Mathias of Maryland went by on time to listen to a bunch of clowns!" to the stand if he wanted to find out Outside on New Jersey Avenue ten his way to his office wearing what Anton, smiling: "Richie, Richie..." about his activities. or twelve police leaned on trees and appeared to be a sunflower campaign Pool shouted him down. Anton Warned that he could be held in cars around a white panel truck let­ button in his lapel. agreeably turned to him. "Listen, contempt, McRae answered, "I have tered in green, "Police Patrol.*' At 2:50 the Committee returned, Joe, I'd like to testify. I'm a busy been in contempt of court five times. There were more police on the stairs, and the afternoon session began. It man myself." Pool replied sarcas­ Do you want to make it six?" Press­ and still more on the third floor bal­ wa6 briefer and more dramatic than tically, "You look like you're pretty ed about Anton, McRae finally said, cony that ran past the entrance to the morning one, but harder to fol­ busy," and told Anton he was excus­ without raising his voice: "1 won't the Caucus Room. The area around low. The rehearsed quality of the ed. Still smiling, Anton walked away. answer that on the grounds that it the doors was ablaze with the light morning was gone. The crowd was His subpoena was also left in force. nauseates me and I am liable to vomit from ugly iron chandeliers and cam­ larger and louder. The Cave of the The last witness (Rubin did not tes­ all over this table." Nittle didn't era lights and jammed with police, Winds reverberated more than ever. tify) was Stuart McRae of Stanford, even blink. It was that kind of hear­ chic Congressional staff members, From most places in the room it was a tall, serious-looking young man with ing. and newsmen with Leicas around their hard to see, hard to hear, hard to horn-rimmed glasses and long blond McRae repeated his contention that necks. Beads of sweat had appeared separate voices, and, sporadically, hair. He wore a pale green sports the only reason he was in the room on many upper lips. Just outside the hard to believe. coat with two buttons on the lapel. was that he had collected a total of doors, behind a protecting wall of Pool led off by asking Committee Asked if he had counsel, McRae about $300 for the International Red police, six news cameras with maga­ Counsel Nittle to call Allen Krebs answered gravely, "I feel I have no Cross to aid persons injured by "in­ zines like Mickey Mouse ears were and Walter Teague III of New York. need of legal help." He agreed to discriminate" American bombing. He zeroed in on a bundle of dull mic­ Nittle's amplified voice bounced off testify, and Pool told him to "raise repeated that he was not ashamed of rophones strapped to a stand. the walls. No answer. He called twice your right hand up like this." McRae this. At 2, police led two groups of more. Silence. Seemingly unsurpris­ hesitated a second, then lifted his Nittle asked McRae if he were a twenty-four upstairs and through the ed, Pool asked the record to show arm In a Nazi salute. There was a member of the Young Socialist Al­ press into the Caucus Room. The that the witnesses had "failed to re­ roar of approval from the crowd. liance. McRae said no. Nittle pro­ rest of the line was left under its spond to subpoena." McRae kept his arm rigid while Pool duced a YSA position paper on which police guard on the first floor; no Nittle next called Stanley Nadel, a swore him In. It was his only gesture McRae's name appeared. McRae re­ one else was admitted, even though somewhat Beat-looking University of of disrespect. plied that he had once signed a list the empty seats inside never quite Michigan student (now studying at McRae began by reading a state­ "in pencil" in support of one of the disappeared. MSU) with an open white shirt, long ment. His name was Stuart McRae, YSA's positions, but that he was not At 2:10, the Committee reentered dark hair combed straight back from he had been born on January 29, a member. He turned to Pool. "May through^doors behind the dais. Rep. his forehead, and a precise way of 1944, and he was a student at Stan­ I ask how you got such records?" Pool rapped for order and then an­ talking. Nadel gave his name but ford. He was not a Communist, nor "We don't answer questions like nounced that there would be a fif­ refused to give his address-. His house a "Marxist," but he considered him­ that," said Pool. There was sarcas­ teen-minute recess while Committee had been bombed once, he said; he self an opponent of the Committee tic laughter. McRae was excused. He wanted "no repetition." Nadel em­ members went to the House floor v because he believed the Committee nodded his thanks to the Committee for a vote. The Committee retired. phatically refused to testify; his law- was "unconstituional" and that its members and said, "It's been an ed^ The fifteen minutes stretched to yer had withdrawn and he was un­ whole history had been one of "big­ ucational experience." Pool banged twenty. NBC's Richard Harkness with able to find counsel he could trust. otry and racism." Pool interrupted for adjournment and police hurriedly his neat brush moustache went out­ This led to inaudible discussion among to say that the statement was not rel­ moved to clear the room; the Caucus side and called his superiors from Committee members. Ichord finally evant to the hearing. MaRae replied Room was to be used that evening for a temporary news station overlooking moved that Nadel be excused, Pool that, nevertheless, he would like to some unrelated Congressional func­ the rotunda. He guessed that, no, agreed, arfsl Nadel started back to his read it. Pool acquiesced. McRae con­ tion. 1 there wouldn't be any afternoon tes­ seat and his wife. Halfway across the tinued that he considered it his duty The doors were opened, and the timony. floor Nadel turned and became the to oppose "Johnson's undeclared spectators filed out through the locus Twenty minutes stretched to thir­ Hamlet of HUAC by asking if he could war" in Vietnam. He said that he was of li#it outside the doors, down the ty. Jerry Rubin came out and talked change his mind. He said he now want­ not ashamed of this. He further said marble steps with their brass rail­ briefly; yes, there would be testi­ ed to testify without counsel. This led that he was "on trial" only because ings, through the rotunda, and out mony; hes, he planned to testify. to another confused exchange between he had sent money to the Interna­ onto the hot streets, where they sep­ A photographer slumped against a Committee members. Ichord was tional Red Cross to "alleviate the arated and went home, or wherever column amused himself by drawing willing to let Nadel come back. Rep. suffering of the innocent victims of else they were going. The white Po­ beads on passing policemen with a Ashhrook thought it would reflect brutal American bombings." He add­ lice Patrol wagon gunned Its engine, movie camera that ended in a pis­ badly on the Committee to allow Nadel ed that Sen. Robert F. Kennedy had swung out around a line of parked tol-grip. to testify without counsel after he asserted that such aid to the suffering cars, turned left and disappeared in­ Thirty minutes stretched to forty. had first refused to do so. Ashbrook is "in the oldest American tradi­ to the traffic on Independence Ave­ A policeman on the third floor bal­ finally won, and Nadel was allowed to tion." He characterized the Com­ nue without a single prisoner inside. cony asked a solitary University of go after being asked a few questions Chicago student at the edge of the about when his next school term be­ crowd if he were aware of "Public gan. His subpoena was left in force Law 570," which prohibits display until November 15. Next witness was Anatole ben Anton from Berkeley, a chubby, ingratiat­ Due to many things, among respondence. She plans to an­ ing young man who carried onto the them legal battling, carelessness swer things. stand with him photographs of what and at least two changes of loca­ Which brings up another mat­ he described as "American gas at­ tion, we've misplaced over the ter. A lot of mail sent to us dur­ tacks" in Vietnam. His testimony, if past eight or nine-months a num­ ing the summer was returned to, that is the word, began like this: ber of letters which should have senders, because either we or Nittle: "Would you please state been answered or published, a the post office failed to under­ Rationalization Of The Month: "I your name?" number of editorial contributions stand something or other. If those figured that if somebody had to kill Anton: "Since I'm not under oath, which should have been used or who received their letters back cock robin, it might as well be me." I could say James Bond." returned, a number of other cor­ would like to try again, things —Everett McKinley Dirksen, United i Whoop of laughter, to which mem­ respondences which should have will go better this time, as we States Senator, quoted in the Washing- I bers of the Committee contributed. been handled but instead were are getting our mail regularly ton Post. " Ichord banged the table with Pool's passed over.This will not happen these days. Sincere apologies to again, our Bashful Secretary and those who may have been in­ Staff Writer Char Jolles assures convenienced but, as everyone us, since she will be doing nearly knows, THE PAPER staff is just part-time the job of handling cor­ a bunch of irresponsible kids anyway. T|,e Editors Confessions Of An Erstwhile Demonstrator

lates, perhaps, to why the august By DOUGLAS LACKEY Guardian located the demonstration in Ann Arbor.) Some demonstrations are held to Saturday night, June 11, Mike Price, protest, publish and rectify a specific SDS' strategy expert, checked the lay­ injustice. But the demonstration spon­ out of the stadium and designed the sored by Michigan State Students for a demonstration. The puppeteers were Democratic Society against Hubert to march from across the bridge and Humphrey's presence at MSU gradua­ circle the stadium; the pickets were tion ceremonies last June was direct­ to spread across all four entrances ed against the whole of the Vietnam with leafleters in front of them. When war: its brutal history, its present Humphrey arrived all demonstrators escalation, its public cant and private were to assemble at the tunnel gate profits. where his car would pass. Later that The form of this protest was flex­ night, two-way radios were provided ible, and at least two opportunities by the Detroit Committee to End the presented themselves to its planners. War in Vietnam, and a code worked There could be an educational dem­ out to prevent police interception. onstration, designed to provide the On Sunday at one o'clock the Se­ napalm burns and the legend, "Why worthy of Charlton Heston in a four- public with materials about the war, cret Service, the FBI, the local and are we killing, burning, torturing the * horse chariot, the line of graduates or, secondly, a demonstration design- campus police, the organizers, the Vietnamese people?" The puppet the­ began to move. There was much con­ *ed to irritate, to gain maximum pub­ leaflets, the signs, and the puppets ater circled the stadium like a frag­ fusion, parts of the long line moved lic visibility, to exhibit the largest all arrived at the stadium. It was hot ment from "The Seventh Seal"—and at a trot. A marketing PhD candi­ 'possible crack in the public consen­ and windy; the area was deserted. the drums and cymbal and tunelessly date detached himself from the group sus about the war. All previous dem­ The protesters sprawled lacka­ wailing recorders clearly unsettled of spectators and spat on one of the onstrations had been of the first type; daisically about under the shade of a the crowds—no one laughed off the girl demonstrators. While the girl the more-than-usually radical com­ few nearby trees. The Secret Serv­ terribly grave and tattered little band. wiped the saliva from her shift, he mittee appointed to plan the demon­ ice wandered about at a loss—some of Half the* crowd refused to touch the proceeded into the stadium to view stration, convinced that public posi­ them checked the concrete stanchions handout; a quarter took it and tore it the ceremony. tions on the war were irreversibly of the stadium, squinting up the pil­ up immediately—the ground was soon After a heated discussion, the dem­ hardened by this time, decided over lars. No one expected trouble (a mass littered with fake diplomas. A TV- onstrators decided to enter the sta­ the objections of the president for a arrest before thousands of spectators radio prof who quit as advisor to dium themselves. We were led to Sec­ protest of the second type. It was would have been sheer police folly), the MSU Film Society when the so­ tion 8, and emerged with the main agreed that the demonstration was to but everyone was nervous—with a ciety voted an SDS benefit, passed by, crowd opposite and the black mass %eas obnoxious as possible. school that can arrest four students looked at my sign, and said, "Still of graduates to our left. "I'm here The organizers decided immediate­ in daytime for trespassing in their the comedian, aren't you, Doug?" today representing management," ly to include a "bread and puppet" own student union, anything is pos­ Down the line a large farmer type Humphrey began. There are a million theater in the protest—in this case, sible. was waving his fist and screaming, refugees in Vietnam, I thought, and a four twelve-foot grotesque puppets, In the next hour, Michigan and Mich­ "Communists! Communists!" —be­ thousand scars on the child on my all dressed in caps and gowns, rep­ igan State students traded protest hind him went his wife, screaming sign. This is the generation, Humphrey resenting Johnson, Humphrey, Han­ stories. A few gowned graduates drift­ (in tandem), "Shut up, George! Shut intoned, that ha s pushed back the fron­ nah and Death; two sign bearers; ed in, searched for shade. A parent up, George!" A young hood type tier of inter-galactic space. He also one drum beater; one cymbal dash­ attempted a snapshot of his daughter, grabbed the Death puppet, pulled it said that the American soldier is a er; two recorder players; and one but the wind kept blowing the cap to the ground, and tore it apart. The humanitarian soldier. The crowd small girl dressed in black represent­ away. carrier jumped on the hood and began cheered mightily. What, I thought ing the widow of Vietnam. Cloth, At two o'clock the newsmen asked to tear HIM apart—but was restrain­ weakly, about my child on the sign. wood, papier mache, and cardboard us to "put something on" for them. ed by another demonstrator. The po­ Humphrey received his honorary were purchased, the frames made, The puppeteers got out the puppets, lice looked on. Price walked up to the degree. I was too depressed to hear the heads successfully shaped, heads assembled at the end of the empty police captain and shouted that if any­ the citation, but I expect it was for %nd frames joined, the band assemb­ bridge, and marched across towards one else touched our puppets, we'd services to humanity. Not a single led, and Center Street subjected to a the vacant stadium. The drums beat, kick the shit out of him. The police faculty member, not a single student practice day of solemn drum beating the cymbals clashed, the cameras became more attentive. budged in protest. The demonstrators and puppet carrying. whirred. The leaders instructed, Word came over the radio that left chanting. A plainclothesman trip­ Since Mr. Humphrey was to re­ "Roll those puppets"; the carriers Humphrey was arriving. Leafleting ped me on the way out, and I slid ceive an honorary degree at com­ tilted them from side to side. ceased, everyone ran to the tunnel. down the gangway on my face. The mencement, the committee decided to By two-thirty, parents and gradu­ The car arrived, the demonstrators, same man grabbed a demonstrator present him with one of its own, a ates were arriving in numbers. The packed on both sides, chanted "End behind me and hurled him against a facsimile degree reading "Hubert pickets, 75 at most, spread out thinly the War in Vietnam." 1 held my sign stanchion. I picked myself up and left. Humphrey, Master of War.*' An MSU across the entrances. The boxes of within two feet of the vice-president s Several of the faculty, I hear, boy­ graduate donated his degree as a fake diplomas were distributed. face. Humphrey flashed a Colgate cotted the ceremonies. Their heroic model, the facsimile was made, and The line of graduates assembled, grin, waved, the car passed on. Sec­ absence was little noted. As for the several thousand copies of the fac­ and parents and relatives came on onds later, in gown, Humphrey and graduates, if they opposed the war simile were run off via electrostatic thick and fast. I joined a line of Hannah came out to pose. The heat and stayed, they were cowards; if stencil. picketers in front of one entrance, was stifling, the chanting deafening. they supported, the war and stayed, Cardboard and lettering stencils carrying a large poster with a pic­ Humphrey waved. they were fools. All stayed. It was a were bought, and a hundred signs made ture of a child hideously scarred by As the MSU band played fanfares day of honor. reading "Hubert Humphrey, Master of War." A walkout of graduates was planned, but was scrapped when it be­ came clear that only two protesters besides myself were slated for de­ grees at this date. Since a good part Dress British. Read of the left wing planned to leave East Lansing immediately after finals, the organizers contacted anti-war com­ mittees in Detroit and Ann Arbor; these pledged about 50 supporting pickets. No civil disobedience was scheduled. All major news media were in­ formed of the plans. The only black­ out encountered was, predictably, the MSU State News—the three articles, written three different ways, that I delivered to the managing editor all mysteriously disappeared. The odd result was that the Manchester Guar­ dian in England printed MSU campus news that the MSU campus news­ paper neglected to notice. (This re- Stone-Throwing Award (Glass Hous­ es Division): "I can't make sense out of them. I don't think there's any­ (Douglas Lackey, who graduated thing creative or original about it. from MSU last June, is now a grad­ It's just loud. I think their music uate student in philosophy at Yale won't last."—Richard Rodger s, re the | University.) bill wright Beatles. EMERGING: a Fifth Estate

by Walter H. Bowart From The East Village Other (courtesy the Underground Press Syndicate) million s of large majestic trees are cut from the national forests, each to be ground into pulp and pressed into a cheap grade of paper which disintegrates when grind, producing monopolies on the news the small editorial Offices by ordinary exposed to air over a period of time. in many cities. typists. While American newspapers have been In reaction to this monopolistic tendency, The question has been posed as to whether disintegrating faster than the paper that a "fifth estate" has emerged over the daily papers are fulfilling any function they're printed on, newsprint production past two years. In Los Angeles, San Fran­ except as media for advertising, and in and consumption annually exceeds that cisco, Berkeley, Washington, Detroit, Lon­ the light of the new underground press of each preceeding year. The pulp that don, and New York, shoe-string publica­ success, the question becomes rhetorical. went to the folded dailies now goes out tions resembling newspapers ha/e burst The concepts of what is news and what to suburban shopping center tabloids, which into circulation, carrying the torch of the is print have changed through T.V.'s are springing up from Montauk to Miami "free press" as it used to be. impact. What the fifth estate papers have like ragweed because "people just like They are published by youthful artists realized and what the big dinosaurs have to read about themselves." or "bohemians" who have felt a need failed to notice is that newspapers from The role of the newspaper has changed, to struggle for a voice in the face of necessity have to become magazines. and everyone but the management and media conformity. The papers of the fifth There is no longer any need to rush out labourers know it. International and na­ estate or underground concern themselves and get the morning paper when one can tional news is covered by television which with civil libertarian issues: the war in tune in the morning news or the "Today" with its instantaneous communication has Vietnam, freedom of pleasure, freedom of show on the gobble box and get filled made newspapers into telephone books or religious choice, freedom of privacy, ana in on what's been doing in China while at best court records that serve to prove freedom to dissent in a time where cyni­ you were asleep. In order to survive, how what Huntley said to Brinkley at six cism—the traditional frame of mind for the newspaper must become a magazine o'clock last night actually occurred. Who the journalist—is lacking in the monied providing abstract reflection on the hard needs even the pictures of the Daily News press. The fifth estate is fighting, for news and also in-depth, reflective report­ when real live drama, such as the as­ cynicism's reinstatement. age. sassination of President Kennedy and Os­ What is killing the big city dailies is It is in this sphere where the Underground wald, comes to us in the right time, obsolete production and a. union strangle­ Press Syndicate marks a pending era of transcending space? hold from men who operate the obsolete considerable hope. If this natural tendency Only local coverage is neglected by technology by which these dinosaurs are of the newspaper toward the magazine the mass instantaneous media, and thus produced: Linotype-letterpress. The young continues, the golden age of public think­ the proliferation of little homey papers fifth estate is utilizing to full advantage ing will be upon us. Then the newspaper are often given away free in the suburban modern offset-cold type techniques which you've always bought for 7, 10, or 15 supermarkets. Meanwhile the big town are fast, light-weight, and half as ex­ cents, that disintegrating piece of printed dailies are being bought up by the local pensive to operate as the old hot type pulp which is used to wrap fish or amuse television interests and sometimes by method. All the underground papers are subway riders or serve as toilet paper, much larger firms with national axes to offset and most of their type is set in will have become an intellectuaTjour naT"

Objectivity Award (Broadcast Di­ vision): "Meanwhile, over in .the House, peaceniks posed, and duti­ fully yapped dissent, and found deli­ The East Village Other, 147 Avenue A, New York 10009. Appears 1st cious martyrdom as marshals drag­ and 15th of each month, 15,000 circulation,' S3 annually. The , 5903 Melrose Avenue, Los Angeles, Calif., ged them away.'*—Harry K. Smith, 90038. Appears weekly, 11,000; 15 annually. ABC News account of House Un-Am­ THE UNDERGROUND PRESS SYNDICATE exists to facilitate the trans­ The Berkeley Barb. 2421 Oregon Street, Berkeley, Calif., 94705. Weekly, erican Activities Committee hear­ mission of news, features ond advertising between anti-Establishment, 8,000; 15 annually. ings on Vietnam dissent. avant-garde, new-Left, youth oriented periodicals which share common The Fifth Estate, 1101 W. Warren Street, Detroit, Mich. 48201. Fortnightly, oims and interests. Its members ore free to pick up each other's features 3,000; *2.50 annually. without remuneration. (The UPS service can be subscribed to by outside Sanity. 3837 St. Lawrence Blvd., Montreal 18, P.Q. Canada. Monthly, Bliss- It- Was- In-That-Dawn-To-Be organizations at fees commensurate with exposure ortd/or circulation). 5,000; *2J0 annually. Total circulation of UPS papers at present is 55,000, a figure reached by Peace News, 5 Caledonian Rood, Kings Cross, London N.I. England. Alive Department: "What a thrill to odding together the most recent issue sale for all the following papers Weekly, 6,400; *6.50 annually. live at this momentous hour in London (some of which appear monthly or fortnightly): when the people on every continent are crying out for help!"—Billy Gra­ ham at Earl's Court, June 1, 1966. Over Here...Over There...What?

By GORUON SUSTAIN crying over a letter from his wife, crying in frustration be­ From the Los Angeles Free Press Since I returned to the United cause he is ten thousand miles States from Vietnam in June of away and can't do anything about (courtesy the Underground Press Syndicate) this year, I have been asked by the threatening phone calls she at least 500 well- meaning and at keeps getting in the middle of least half-way sincere people, the night from a "peace" group... HEADLINES: U.S. WAR PLANES BOMB VILLAGE, 12 VIETNAMESE •What's REALLY going on over "What's REAIJLY going on CIVILIANS KILLED and HONOR STUDENT TURNS SNIPER, KILLS there?" there?" A Vietnamese baby, alive, 16 FROM UNIVERSITY TOWER - BUDDHIST MONK BURNS SELF Only an enforced civility has hung by its heels in the door of ALIVE AS DRAMATIC POLITICAL PROTEST and HUMAN TORCH kept me from answering, "What's a hut, two-inch strips of skin ON WHITE HOUSE STEPS SEEN AS PROTEST AGAINST VN WAR - REALLY going on here?" peeled off its body by the Viet VIETNAM CASUALTY TOLLS REACH RECORD HIGH and TRAFFIC Cong because the village chief DEATHSSET NEW RECORD OVER MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND - •What's REALLY going on dared let a Navy Doctor set up there?" Young soldiers seeing KY FORCES SUBDUE BUDDHISTS IN NEW DA NANG REBELLION a first aid dispensary for his and NATIONAL GUARD CALLED OUT TO QUELL LOS ANGELES combat for the first time and people... digging the hyperawareness and RIOTS ~ expanded conciousness it brings, "What's- REALLY going on learning something about them­ here?" Three civil rights workers village to strike at American and tragedy of life; that there is selves and trying to just go on murdered in Mississippi because South Vietnamese camps. The absolutely nothing that has any living in this world... they dared try to help the Negro people are relocated. Service­ more intrinsic value or purpose, -What's REALLY going on population register to vote... men, working voluntarily, build nothing that makes any more here?" Young "acid heads" 'What's REALLY going on them new homes. sense, than anything else; trying digging the pills which expand there?" B-52's are bombing north -What's REALLY going on to go on to choose what must — their awareness, heighten their Vietnam industrial, military and here?" People are dispossessed, •for each of them individually — conciousness, learning something transportation targets because as their homes torn down, because then become the important things, about themsejves and trying to long as supplies keep coming in new freeways and baseball sta­ the right things, the wrong things. just go on living in this world... over the border to the Viet Cong, diums have to be built. No new Will someone please explain to me what morality means? •What's REALLY going on Americans keep getting killed. homes. No relocation. A little there?" A nineteen year old Sometimes civilians are killed money is all. corpsman with only 12 weeks of "What's REALLY going on (Editor's Note: GordonMustain by the raids. returned to the in medical training working for "What's REALLY going on there?" Young men are trying forty-eight hours under mortar to understand, trying to go on April of this year after spending here?" Chemical and industrial seven months as a Marine Corps fire trying to save the life of a companies poison the air and the in spite of.their private anguish baby burned by napalm... and grief at having known, having correspondent working with vari­ rivers with chemical waste be­ ous Marine combat units in ;«What's REALLY going on cause as long as they can dispose seen, having experienced the final here?" A woman raped and mur­ of it cheaply, the profits keep Vietnam.) dered in front of 30 witnesses coming in. Sometimes fish, ani­ in New York who stand by and do mals, and people are killed by Atheists, agnostics, humanists, confused believers: nothing because they don't want the waste. to get involved.., •What's REALLY going on If you're interested in an affirmation of life and man and an examination of issues "What's REALLY going on there?" Villages are burned, facing us, then stop |>y Old Colteflo Hall in the Union Building Sunday at 11 a.m. g

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The Non-Commissioned Officers' jor living in Fee Dormitory. Or he Club at Sondrestrom Air Base in could just as easily be a 20-year-old Greenland looks like a great big night shoe salesman living in a downtown club; in fact, it is a great big night­ Lansing apartment. John Hannah as club, except that there aren't any Robert McNamara. Hysterical, real­ girls there. That, of course, makes a ly. mockery of the concept of a night­ Ah, but this is all the grossest club. At least, MOST nightclubs . . . rationalization, I am told, and per­ But let us put that idea out of our haps it is, but there is just enough dirty little minds, for there is nothing validity in the comparisontomakeme the men at Sondy would like more than feel a sort of kinship with my broth­ to be close to a female now and then. ers in the armed forces. With that in Once a month, even. mind, I will therefore propose a plan The USO show with which I was to further mutual understanding be­ traveling provided them with just such tween campus and khaki. a rare opportunity, an opportunity Although I personally have no af­ they took advantage of in large num­ fection for organized killing or those bers. The girls were exhausted; I who engage in it, I agreed to go enter­ just sat and got quite drunk, taking tain the troops on the assumption advantage of my own rare opportun­ that it was the least I could do for those ity to get a Vodka Collins for forty poor bastards stranded on foreign soil Gents and a beer for a quarter. The thousands of miles from home. We slot machines were there, too, taking were all quite unprepared for the ef­ in thousands of dollars a week, and fect our visit had on the guys in the pool halls, bowling alleys, and Greenland and Iceland and Canada. dart boards were kept busy. There is They treated us like royalty—es­ nothing, however, like a dame, and pecially the girls. They have very Greenland is not exactly the South little to remind them of home, very Pacific. little to keep them from getting horny, Though the weather is agreeable and our visit meant more to them enough for a few months during the than it is possible for me to des­ summer, winter can bring conditions cribe in this limited space. in which it is literally impossible to The shows we put on were a great leave the shelter of buildings. And, morale builder, but our simple pre­ as everyone knows (but can't pos­ sence there was far more valuable. sibly comprehend until they've seen Of course, there are always profes­ it), the sun shines for twenty-four sional entertainment groups from the hours a day in the summer, while States on the bases, but they are apt darkness falls the rest of the time. to be unwilling to sit down and talk It is aa indescribable gas to come to the guys, shoot pook wttfe thtm^ staggering out of a bar at two o'clock eat meals with them, and generally"'" ih the morning, pupils anything but THE BASE take their minds off their duties.— dilated, and get hit in the face with We were told many times that the Old Mother Sun. "A man," I was told, mHtfrn •vnnH willingly rm^e a11-thl'= again and again, "can easily be­ and civil rights and war and girls, tures from Playboy, modern art, rock bands from Georgia and the come an alcoholic up here." I believe then he invited me up to his apart­ signs saying simply "Hate" or per­ girlie shows from Philadelphia for a it. L almost did, and we were only on ment (that's what I said) to listen to haps some variation on "Fuck the few more college groups like ours. tour for a month. some Tjader and Coltrane (an invita­ Air Force," and various other pre­ This not only made us feel very cA. tion which was the sweetest sound dictable pieces of literature. On many warm and gushy inside, but it also 1 must admit that I proceeded on the I'll ever hear, after weeks of listen­ walls there are calendars marked off got me thinking that it is much tour with the common pacifist's as­ ing to nothing but hillbilly music; with the number of days until the tour cheaper for the USO to transport a sumption that I would be walking the armed forces, and I don't care is over. He has a stereo set and a bunch of college kids who will work straight into a den of fascists and what the statistics say, are made up large collection of jazz and rock for seven dollars a day living ex­ warmongers. I put away my anti­ almost entirely of Southerners). We and roll albums. His closet is full penses than to transport a pro group war buttons and carefully rehearsed sat talking about his life in the Air of civilian clothes, especially levis, asking a big salary. And even if it noncommittal answers to questions Force, and I slowly started building sweaters^ and sport coats. did cost a little more, wouldn't the like, "What do you think of the war?" up what I believe is an accurate pic­ United Fund contributors bewillingto ("It's good for business.") and, "Are ture of the average GI on his tour of At night he goes out drinking, chas­ es whatever girls there might be on. pay for it if it meant so much to the you going to enlist when yOu finish duty in an out-of-the-way place like taxpayers' sons? college?" ("I don't plan to finish Greenland. the base, perhaps stays out all night college."). However, the first thing —hating to return to his drab room— If the USO won't do it—and here's I heard when I walked into the cafe­ It goes something like this: He and generally runs himself into the where the aforementioned plan comes teria at Sondrestrom was "The Uni­ gets up in the morning, dons his ground, both physically and mentally. in—why couldn't MSU start a similar versal Soldier" playing on the juke­ "uniform," and goes out to do his bit There are very rarely any curfews project? Hell, all it would take would box. I later got into a slightly in­ for eight hours. His tasks are sim­ in effect. be a grant from one of our huge, pa­ coherent conversation with a group of ple, boring, and leave him with a feel­ triotic contributors like Dow or GM drunken enlisted men who wanted a ing that he isn't accomplishing a damn His mood is one of despair and bore­ or the Rockefeller Foundation or AID, college man's advice on how to start thing. He skips as much work as he is dom. He couldn't care less about what and perhaps twenty years to get It an End the War in Vietnam club..on able. he is doing, he follows the pro teams out of the planning stage. the base. When I asked them whythey at home religiously, he smokes heav­ After a while, perhaps, we could joined if they really didn't care for At noon (or at any time, for that ily, and he likes to get into fights. make it a REAL exchange program, the whole business, I got answers matter) he might eat his meals at the His contempt for the authorities is with groups from the bases coming which had nothing whatsoever to do regular mess hall (which looks just generally complete (though ineffec­ to entertain us. Our poor, under­ with patriotism. like any dormitory cafeteria and serv­ tive), and he lives pretty much on developed theater department could es better food), but for some strange routine. He does not march, how­ use a shot in the head . . . er, pock- •'When 1 got out of high school, reason he often forgoes the meal and ever, nor does he salute very often. etbook. It could provide a lot of great it was either join up or get married, spends some money?for a hamburger He is making plans for "graduation," vacations for a lot of great students and you know damn well which one I at the base cafeteria. His work is over for which there is generally some kind at very little expense to them in the took," said a 20-year-old Negro air­ in the late afternoon, and he goes of celebration and a ritual or two. long run. The whole month took only man from whose name, home to his small room—which he Now, anybody who does not find * $125 out of my own pocketbook, and I believe, was Joe. Joe, by the way, shares with one or two other guys— the preceding description ominously I'd gladly pay twice that much for a was Instrumental in helping me see and changes into something more familiar does not go to Michigan State similar vacation someplace else (say, something which had never occurred comfortable. He might be taking cor­ University. Inject a few girls into the Europe or the South Pacific). to me before the trip. respondence courses, so perhaps he picture, and remove some of the ele­ What do you say, John? Think about studies in the early evening. ment of force, and Joe Airman might it, man. Kick it around. Run it up the We sat in the bar talking about jazz His room is decorated with pic­ as well be a sophomore history ma­ flagpole and . . . yeah.