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DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS ISSN 0542-5492 Fourth Session - Thirty-First Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS 29 Elizabeth 11 Publishedunder the authority of The Honourable Harry E. Graham Speaker VOL. XXVlll No. 76A - 2:00 p.m., TUESDAY, 10 JUNE, 1980 Printed by W. T.Matwichyna. OUHns Printer. Province of Manitoba MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty - First Legislature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation Name Constituency Party ADAM, A. R. (Pete) Ste. Rose NOP ANDERSON, Bob Springfield PC BANMAN, Hon. Robert (Bob) La Verendrye PC BARROW, Tom Flin Flon NOP BLAKE, David Minnedosa PC BOSTROM, Harvey Rupertsland NOP BOYCE, J. R. (Bud) Winnipeg Centre NOP BROWN, Arnold Rhineland PC CHERNIACK, Q.C., Saul St. Johns NOP CORRIN, Brian Wellington NOP COSENS, Hon. Keith A. Gimli PC COWAN, Jay Churchill NOP CRAIK, Hon. Donald W. Riel PC DESJARDINS, Laurent L. St. Boniface NOP DOERN, Russell Elmwood NOP DOMINO, Len St. Matthews PC DOWNEY, Hon. Jim Arthur PC DRIEDGER, Albert Emerson PC EINARSON, Henry J. Rock Lake PC ENNS, Hon. Harry J. Lakeside PC EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East NOP FERGUSON, James R. Gladstone PC FILMON, Gary River Heights PC FOX, Peter Kildon an NOP GALBRAITH, Jim Dauphin PC GOURLAY, Hon. Doug Swan River PC GRAHAM, Hon. Harry E. Birtle-Russell PC GREEN, Q.C., Sidney lnkster Ind HANUSCHAK, Ben Burrows NOP HYDE, Lloyd G. Portage la Prairie PC JENKINS, William Logan NOP JOHNSTON, Hon. J. Frank Sturgeon Creek PC JORGENSON, Hon. Warner H. Morris PC KOVNATS, Abe Radisson PC LYON, Hon. Sterling R. Charleswood PC MacMASTER, Hon. Ken Thompson PC MALINOWSKI, Donald Point Douglas NOP McBRYDE, Ronald The Pas NOP McGILL, Hon. Edward Brandon West PC McGREGOR, Morris Virden PC McKENZIE, J. Wally Roblin PC MERCIER, Q.C., Hon. Gerald W. J. Osborne PC MILLER, Saul A. Seven Oaks NOP MINAKER, Hon. George St. James PC ORCHARD, Hon. Donald Pembina PC PARASIUK, Wilson Transcona NOP PAWLEY, Q.C., Howard Selkirk NOP PRICE, Hon. Norma Assiniboia PC RANSOM, Hon. Brian Souris-Killarney PC SCHROEDER, Vic Rossmere NOP SHERMAN, Hon. L. R. (Bud) Fort Garry PC STEEN, Warren Crescentwood PC URUSKI, Billie St. George NOP USKIW, Samuel Lac du Bonnet NOP WALDING, D. James St. Vital NOP WESTBURY, June Fort Rouge Lib WILSON, Robert G. Wolseley PC LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Tuesday, 10 June 1980 Time - 2:00 p.m. governments to get on with the job of constitutional reform as quickly as possible. OPENING PRAYER by Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for St. Johns. MR. SPEAKER, Hon. Harry E. Graham (Birtle­ Russell): Presenting Petitions . Reading and MR. SAUL CHERNIACK: Mr. Speaker, I would like Receiving Petitions. to thank the Premier for his brief report. The wording of the report is such as to be more hopeful than PRESENTING REPORTS BY STANDING some of the press reports and radio reports that we AND SPECIAL COMMITTEES have heard and I hope indicates a positive attitude is indicated by all Ministers. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for I'm glad also that the Minister has indicated that Radisson. he will ensure a committee of this House to meet to consider these proposals and to receive briefs and I MR. ABE KOVNATS: Mr. Speaker. the Committee would expect and hope that it would be fairly soon of Supply has adopted certain resolutions. directs me so that it may have some influence on the meetings, to report the same and asks leave to sit again. the continuing meetings, that will take place prior to the First Ministers' meeting in September. I'd like to 1 move, seconded by the Honourable Member for Portage la Prairie. that the report of Committee be say, Mr. Speaker, that we would like to see an open received. mind in approach to all the issues referred to in the report itself on a charge of rights, reduction, regional MOTION presented and carried. disparities. resource ownership and offshore. Because from the press report that I saw just before MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS AND TABLING coming into the House, there were three particular Ministers who were reported to be somewhat OF REPORTS steadfast in their - may I use the word - intransigents and I would hope that in certain areas MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable First Minister. there will be still be room for a discussion, because HON. STERLING R. LYON (Charleswood): Mr. that's rather important since I believe, as must we all . that the future of Manitoba is dependent on a Speaker, 1 have a statement to make. There are copies for the members of the House. strong and cohesive Canada. We must be flexible and be prepared to discuss all issues, bearing in Mr. Speaker. I wish to make a statement to the mind, Mr. Speaker, that only within the last short House concerning the First Ministers' meeting on the period of time we have found, by Supreme Court constitution which I attended yesterday in Ottawa. ruling. that the language rights, as regard to French Mr. Speaker, there were two important developments and English in this Legislature, are already as a result of the meeting. The First Ministers have entrenched in Manitoba's constitution and we find agreed to reconvene the Continuing Committee of that entrenchment we were not aware of before. Ministers on the constitution. That Committee will So, Mr. Speaker, want only to mention that we meet next Tuesday for organizational purposes. 1 should be prepared to examine the proposals made, followed by meetings in July and August. leading up and I do agree with the report that the First Minister to a First Ministers' meeting in September. said that there must be a heavy onus on those who As a result of yesterday's meeting, the Committee advocate change. But I believe one must be has been assigned specific topics to report back on. prepared to look at change and consider closely These are: a Charter of Rights. including language whether or not our system is really so responsive, in rights; the reduction of regional disparities; the view of the fact, that on the Order Paper today we patriation of the constitution; resource ownership have matters dealing with Legislature rejecting court and interprovincial trade; off-shore resources; powers decisions, such as the Defamation Act, such as the affecting the economy; communications. including Social Allowances Act. There are various broadcasting; family law; a new Upper House infringements on the natural system of justice but involving the provinces; the Supreme Court and that's not necessarily an infringement if the Fisheries. Legislature makes changes which are not always The First Ministers. Mr. Speaker, will reconvene for good because we have another bill on the Order a constitutional conference on September 8 to 12 Paper which deals with confiscation of shares in a next. private club. So, Mr. Speaker, we must discuss these Mr. Speaker, in accordance with earlier matters; we must see how to protect these rights. undertakings. the government of Manitoba will Just for a moment, on Natural Resources, Mr. shortly recommend establishment of a Committee of Speaker. Yesterday, in Committee of Supply on the House to sit between sessions to consider Finance estimates, it became very clear that the constitutional proposals and to receive briefs from ability of the federal government to be able to interested citizens and groups in our province. support equalization grants which are necessary for a Mr. Speaker, I wish to add that the mood of the reduction in regional disparities and a proper sharing First Ministers' meeting indicated a desire by all of the natural resources of Canada by all Canadians 4581 Tuesday, 10 June, 1980 makes it necessary that the Premiers, who are so members opposite a period of time ago. The insistent on protecting their own provincial parochial conciliation officer involved in these particular issues rights to the natural resources, should be eased by has been allowed what latitude is necessary in co­ the fact that excess profits or windfall profits should operation with the organizations that he is working naturally fall into the hands of the federal with to do the job that he is working so hard at. government, in my opinion, so as to make possible a greater equalization of opportunity for all MR. CHERNIACK: Mr. Speaker, it's very clear that Canadians. Therefore, I think that there is a good we've known all along what the provision of Section deal to explore on the question, not of resource 98 is. The question is, whether or not the Minister ownership, but really on the ability to benefit for all has specifically made an allowance to the conciliation Canadians in the resources of Canada. With that, Mr. officer to extend the period of time, the 30-day Speaker, I look forward to further discussions which maximum period. He did not give that answer unless the First Minister is undertaking to make possible he's saying he left it to the discretion of the during the summer months. conciliation officer. Is that the case? MR. SPEAKER: Notices of Motion . Introduction MR. MacMASTER: It's surprisng, Mr. Speaker, how of Bills. definite the Member for St. Johns can be when it's only a few days ago that it was definite, in their INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS minds, that there had to be a report. I am pleased again to say that they now concur that report wasn't MR. SPEAKER: Before we proceed with Oral necessary and the conciliation officer has been Questions, I should like to draw the honourable allowed the latitude that's necessary to deal with the members' attention to the gallery where we have 60 situation. students of Grades 5 and 6 standing from Windsor School, under the direction of Mrs.
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