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DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS ISSN 0542-5492 Fourth Session - Thirty-First Legislature oflhe Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS 29 Elizabeth II Published under the authority of The Honourable Harry E. Graham Speaker VOL. XXVlll No. 46A - 2:00 p.m., MONDAY, 28 APRIL, 1980 Printed by W. T.Matwichyna. Queens Printer. Province of Manitoba LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Monday, 28 April 1980 Time - 2:00 p.m. MR. SPEAKER: Orders of the Day, The Honourable OPENING PRAYER by Mr. Speaker. Leader of the Opposition. PRESENTING PETITIONS MR. PAWLEY: Mr. Speaker, I'm wondering if the Minister would like to respond to my question. MR. SPEAKER, Hon. Harry E. Graham (Birtle­ Russell): The Honourable Member for MR. GOURLAY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to Crescentwood. check into that further and bring back more details to the House on your question. MR. WARREN STEEN: Mr. Speaker, I beg to present the Petition of Investors Syndicate Limited MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Leader of the and Others praying for the passing for The Investors Oppositon. Syndicate Limited Act, 1980. MR. PAWLEY: Mr. Speaker, my question is to the READING AND RECEIVING PETITIONS Minister of Education. Can the Minister of Education confirm that he did indeed receive a request from MR. CLERK: Petition of the Winnipeg Foundation the Students Association of Manitoba to meet with praying for the passing of an Act respecting them at their just completed conference this Winnipeg Foundation. weekend? MR. SPEAKER: Presenting Reports By Standing MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister of And Special Committees . Ministerial Statements Education. And Tabling of Reports ...Notices of Motion .. HON. KEITH A. COSENS (Gimli): Yes, Mr. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Speaker, I can confirm that. HON. GERALD W. J. MERCIER (Osborne) presented MR. PAWLEY: Can the Minister confirm that not Bill No. 36, An Act to amend The Highway Traffic Act only has he declined their invitation this past and The Tortfeasors and Contributory Negligence Act, and No. 43, An Act to amend The Family weekend but had declined earlier invitations to meet Maintenance Act and The Queen's Bench Act. with them as an association? HON. DON ORCHARD, Minister of Highways and MR. COSENS: Mr. Speaker, I did have a previous Transportation (Pembina) introduced Bill No. 37, An commitment that prevented me from being at their Act to amend The Highways Department Act, and Bill meeting this weekend. I have met with No. 51, An Act to amend The Highways Protection representatives of different student groups in the Act. province in the past. ORAL QUESTIONS MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Transcona. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Leader of the Opposition. MR. WILSON PARASIUK: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health. Can the MR. HOWARD PAWLEY (Selkirk): Mr. Speaker, Minister confirm that at least 12 of 82 patients at the my question is to the Minister of Northern Affairs. Golden Door Geriatrics Centre have had to be Can the Minister of Northern Affairs indicate what moved out of that facility and can he indicate if the action will be undertaken by his department through government has any contingency plans for the his Ministry in order to ensure the reopening of the remaining patients? nursing station at Thicket Portage? MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister of Health. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister of Northern Affairs. HON. L.R. (BUD) SHERMAN (Fort Garry): I can't confirm that, Mr. Speaker. The only information of HON. DOUG GOURLAY (Swan River): Thank you, that nature that I could give the House is that three Mr. Speaker. I'd be pleased to take that question as patients were transferred to the municipal hospitals, notice and bring back further information. at their own or their relatives request. MR. PAWLEY: Mr. Speaker, further, by way of With respect to the second part of the honourable supplementary to the Minister, can the Minister member's question, yes, contingency plans are in confirm that he, as Minister, and his department effect and in fact the care and attention at the were fully aware of the conditions involving the Golden Door, with respect to those who are resident unsanitary line which gave rise to the closure, as there, is unimpeded and continuing at its normal early as January 15th of this year? level at the present time. 2965 Monday, 28 April, 1980 MR. PARASIUK: Yes, a supplementary to the same department have decided to reduce the authority and Minister and I hope he has his staff monitoring the responsibility of community councils. situation and that my information, which I received about a half an hour ago, conflicts with the MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister of information he's just given us in the House. Northern Affairs. A supplementary to the Minister, in view of the fact that negotiations between the owner and the unions MR. GOURLAY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I'm with the conciliator present, broke off on Saturday very pleased to answer that question. A number of almost before they began because the owner and his years ago when the previous administration were in lawyer admitted that they hadn't really acquainted power, there were two arenas built, one at Norway themselves with the union proposals that had been House and one at Wabowden, that should have cost on the table apparently for some two months, can in the neighbourhood of some 250,000 and the Minister assure us that the owner is negotiating 300,000.00. They ended up costing about in good faith with the union in this industrial dispute? 450,000.00. They were opened up without an occupancy permit and the last year it was noticed MR. SHERMAN: Mr. Speaker, with respect to the that one of the end walls in the Norway House Arena number of residents who have been moved from the was waving in the wind when one of our staff home, let me just say that the information that I members happened to be in the area. They called in conveyed to the House is my information as of this the Department of Labour officials and noticed that morning; now if the honourable member has or at least a full inspection was done and the arena information as of half an hour ago I'll have to check was closed because no occupancy permit had ever that - it is being monitored on a continuing basis been issued; the building was entirely unsafe. The by the Health Services Commission. situation at Norway House, the estimated cost to Mr. Speaker, my primary concern was that there be bring it up to safety standards was an additional negotiations; that there be a gesture of good intent 300,000 which brought the total cost to that area up with respect to the collective bargaining process. I'm to three-quarters-of-a-million dollars that was satisfied that is assured through a meeting that will estimated to be put in place at about a third of that be held tomorrow afternoon. cost. Staff knowing that a similar situation had happened at Wabowden, a similar undertaking was MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for done there with respect to inspections; tt was closed. Transcona with a final supplementary. An additional 200,000 or so was required, or is in the process of being spent to bring that area up to MR. PARASIUK: Yes, to the same Minister. Can safety standards. So you can see, Mr. Speaker, that the Minister confirm that the owner of the Golden we've spent close to a million dollars on two arenas Door Geriatrics Centre who is brought to the in northern communities that shouldn't have been bargaining table by threat of the government necessary. That money is not available to do new removing the licence to that particular institution, projects in the north and so some restraints had to could he confirm that owner is also involved in four be placed on - not all northern communities, most other private profit-making nursing homes and has of them run their own show entirely and with very pending an application for a fairly large expansion of minimum of supervision from Northern Affairs' staff the Golden Door facility, namely, about a 5 million - but some of the other communities, we are facility? And in light of the actions of the owner of working with them and some restrictions have been this particular facility, is the government going to placed on them. It's not a general situation and it's reconsider its position of promoting private profit­ one that's being improved upon but I thought it was making nursing homes at the expense of non-profit necessary to bring out some of the reasons behind community religious groups that want to proceed this action. with nursing homes on the basis of love of humanity and not on the basis of love of a dollar? Is the MR. McBRYDE: Mr. Speaker, I wonder if I'm to government going to reconsider its position towards understand then correctly from the Minister, because these non-profit nursing homes? two communities ran into problems with the area projects in northern Manitoba and, Mr. Speaker, I MR. SHERMAN: Well, I can't confirm the might add that a number of communities had contentions in the honourable member's preamble, successfully completed arena projects that have met Mr. Speaker. With respect to the second part of his all the requirements there too, of course, at that time question, the whole issue has been under intensive examination by government and has revolved there was more funding available for recreation essentially around those nursing homes operators capital facilities in northern Manitoba than there is who primarily were operating in the Fort Rouge area today, Mr.
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