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Vol. 791 Monday No. 146 4 June 2018 PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDEROFBUSINESS Death of a Member: Lord Howie of Troon.....................................................................1147 Retirement of a Member: Lord Glentoran ......................................................................1147 Questions Police: Firearms............................................................................................................1147 Children: Special Educational Needs............................................................................1149 Peru: Visa Requirements...............................................................................................1152 New Cars: Sales............................................................................................................1154 Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee Membership Motion ......................................................................................................1156 Rating (Property in Common Occupation) and Council Tax (Empty Dwellings) Bill Second Reading.............................................................................................................1157 Personal Independence Payment Statement......................................................................................................................1178 US Imposition of Steel and Aluminium Import Tariffs Statement......................................................................................................................1181 Rail Timetabling Statement......................................................................................................................1190 First World War: Empire and Commonwealth Troops Question for Short Debate ............................................................................................1203 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. 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This issue of the Official Report is also available on the Internet at https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2018-06-04 The first time a Member speaks to a new piece of parliamentary business, the following abbreviations are used to show their party affiliation: Abbreviation Party/Group CB Cross Bench Con Conservative DUP Democratic Unionist Party GP Green Party Ind Lab Independent Labour Ind LD Independent Liberal Democrat Ind SD Independent Social Democrat Ind UU Independent Ulster Unionist Lab Labour LD Liberal Democrat LD Ind Liberal Democrat Independent Non-afl Non-affiliated PC Plaid Cymru UKIP UK Independence Party UUP Ulster Unionist Party No party affiliation is given for Members serving the House in a formal capacity, the Lords spiritual, Members on leave of absence or Members who are otherwise disqualified from sitting in the House. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2018, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1147 Death of a Member [4 JUNE 2018] Police: Firearms 1148 House of Lords Baroness Williams of Trafford: I thank the noble Lord for his Question—his first to me, I think. I thank Monday 4 June 2018 him for the time he took to speak to me this morning and join him in paying tribute to all those who serve in 2.30 pm our police services in some very difficult circumstances Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Carlisle. indeed. On his first point on the previous Prime Minister commissioning the review, officials have been looking at the legal and procedural framework of post-incident Death of a Member: Lord Howie of Troon procedure in consultation with stakeholders, including Announcement the noble Lord. His second point was about armed police officers feeling like they are treated as suspects. 2.37 pm As I am sure that he would agree, it is quite clear that The Lord Speaker (Lord Fowler): My Lords, I regret the facts should be established and no predetermination to inform the House of the death of the noble Lord, made during the process. The police and the IOPC Lord Howie of Troon, on 26 May. On behalf of the have agreed a protocol for post-incident procedures House, I extend our condolences to the noble Lord’s following a terrorist attack to improve clarity and family and his friends. address concerns about safety and fairness. On the noble Lord’s third point on timeliness from the point Retirement of a Member: Lord Glentoran of view of the firearms officer, and that of the family Announcement of someone who might have been shot, he is absolutely right. There have been precious few convictions—in 2.37 pm fact none—since 2004, but timeliness is improving. The Lord Speaker (Lord Fowler): My Lords, I should also like to notify the House of the retirement with Lord Harris of Haringey (Lab): My Lords, I refer to effect from 1 June of the noble Lord, Lord Glentoran, my interests to do with policing in the register. Can the pursuant to Section 1 of the House of Lords Reform Minister confirm that it is proving difficult to recruit Act 2014. I thank the noble Lord for his valuable up to the required level of firearms officers at present? service to this House. Can she tell us the reason? Is it because there is now too small a pool of police officers to recruit from? Is it Police: Firearms because police officers who accept this responsibility Question are not paid any extra? Is it because they are worried about the extremely long processes that might follow if 2.37 pm they ever have to use their weapon? Which is it? Asked by Lord Hogan-Howe To ask Her Majesty’s Government what was the Baroness Williams of Trafford: The noble Lord outcome of the review of police officers’ use of rightly raises a number of concerns. We know there firearms announced in November 2015 after the have been challenges in recruiting additional firearms terrorist attacks in France. officers. To date, we have recruited 650 and hope to reach 1,000 by the end of this year. Developing a The Minister of State, Home Office (Baroness Williams pipeline of skills is very important when we are looking of Trafford) (Con): My Lords, armed police officers do to recruit. In doing so, we want firearms officers to feel a vital and uniquely challenging job on behalf of the that they can do their job with the safety of a legal public. It is right that they are supported to take framework around them. difficult decisions to protect the public without fearing that the justified use of force will damage their careers. Lord Paddick (LD): My Lords, police firearms officers The work looking into the legal and procedural framework are volunteers who make split-second decisions to governing police use of firearms and post-incident protect us all. Does the Minister not agree that they investigation is ongoing, taking into account learning deserve some legal protection in return? from recent events. Lord Hogan-Howe (CB): My Lords, in this country Baroness Williams of Trafford: I think the final part there are 120,000 police officers, only 6,500 of whom of my answer to the noble Lord, Lord Harris of are armed. They deal with 15,700 firearms operations Haringey, made precisely that point. We absolutely a year, yet discharge their weapons on only 10 occasions. acknowledge the way the police have to make—in the Yet when they do discharge their weapons they can blink of an eye—what are sometimes life-and-death expect a lengthy and prolonged inquiry—more than decisions. They had a particularly challenging time 10 years on the worst occasion. Something needs to last year during the several terrorist attacks that took happen about this. That was agreed in the review that place in this city and in Manchester. I think the noble this Question relates to by the then Prime Minister, Lord, Lord Harris, acknowledged in his report how Mr David Cameron. Here we are two and half years well the police responded in those situations. later and that review has yet to conclude.The Government and the law need to change to accommodate the needs Lord Trefgarne (Con): My Lords, in view of the of the firearms officer to ensure these things are increasing number of firearms officers required, is my carried forward well in the future. The very least that noble friend the Minister satisfied that the training should happen is that the review should conclude. arrangements for them are adequate? 1149 Police: Firearms [LORDS] Children: Special Educational Needs 1150 Baroness Williams of Trafford: My noble friend is introducing education, health and care plans. A survey absolutely right: the training is crucial. These officers of 13,000 people who received an EHC plan during are experts in their field, who have to make split-second 2015 found that 73% agreed that it led to the child or decisions in not just challenging but life-threatening young person getting the right support. Ofsted and the situations, with a lot of people being affected should Care Quality Commission are undertaking joint SEND decisions go wrong. Training is absolutely crucial. inspectionsinalllocalauthorityareas.Theseareproviding evidence of progress, including positive feedback on Baroness Meacher