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Charles University in Prague Faculty of Humanities

Charles University in Prague Faculty of Humanities

CHARLESUNIVERSITYINPRAGUE FACULTYOFHUMANITIES

HEALING ABORIGINAL WOMEN

EMERGING AND CHANGING CULTURE OF

Bc.JanaKulhánková

SUPERVISORS: Mgr. Yasar Abu Ghosh (Departmentof,FacultyofHumanities,Charles University,CzechRepublic) A/Prof. Ian Lilley (DepartmentofArchaeology,AboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderUnit, Universityof,Australia) PRAHA2007

Declaration

Ideclarethatthisthesisismyownworkandhasnotbeensubmittedinanyformforanother degreeordiplomaatanyuniversity.Informationderivedfromthepublishedorunpublished workofothershasbeenacknowledgedinthetextandalistofreferencesisgiven.Iagree withpossibleexposureofmyworkinelectronicorprintedversion.

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2 ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

AnexchangeprogramgrantandresearchgrantfromtheFacultyofHumanities,underCharles UniversityinPrague,andadonationfromNadaceVize,madethisstudyintocontemporary culture of Australian Indigenous women possible. I am grateful for being given the opportunityandfreedomtoundertakethisinvestigationandanalysis. Ioweimmeasurablegratitudeandappreciationtothe staff of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders Studies Unit at the University of Queensland in for their valuable cooperationandprofessionalhelpduringmystudiesandresearchMichaelWilliams,who supportedmeaftermyveryarrivaltoBrisbaneandwasasourceofdeepinspirationthrough his lectures, Jackie Huggins, who capably mentored and facilitated my engagement in KummaraFamilyCareCentreandprovidedmewithpersonalconsultations,IanLilley,who supervised my research and gave directions to my involvement in Indigenous studies, and StephenCorporal,whoIconsultedmyworkwithaswell. Ihavebeenespeciallyfortunateinfindingmyself at the Kummara Family Care Centre in West End, Brisbane in cooperation with Sue Featherstone, Dulcie Bronsch, Mary Graham, TheresaMace,LillaWatson,andGeraldFeatherstone.Theygavemostgenerouslyoftheir time,professionalguidanceandenthusiasm. Within the Faculty in Prague, my very grateful thanks belong to Yasar Abu Ghosh, who supervisedmyresearchafterarrivingbackhome.Heisoneofthemostinspiringprofessorsof mine.MarekHalbich,TheHeadoftheDepartmentofGeneralAnthropology,supportedmy rathercourageousideaofanethnographicresearchofAustralianAboriginalcultureandgave me some interesting insights from his own field of research, culture of native South Americans. IwouldalsoliketoexpressmyappreciationofthreeCzechcolleagues ofminewhohave foundthemselvesinterestedin Indigenous cultureof this faraway country. A very special man I met in Darwin is George Chaloupka. Since my arrival back home, I have been consulting my work with lecturing professors on Australian Aboriginal issues Stanislav NovotnýandMiroslavProkopec. IowespecialthanksandappreciationtomyfamilyandfriendsinPrague,andmyflatmates and friends in Brisbane, who have endured sometimes stressful process of living with a studentandaresearcherinone. Ihaveindeedbeenfortunate.

3 ABSTRACT: This is a study of how an Aboriginal women’s community organisation engages in revitalisationoftraditionalAustralianIndigenouscultureinurbancontext.Iwilladdressthe principlesofawomen’sIndigenousFamilyCareCentre,Kummara,inBrisbane(Queensland) whereIvolunteered,andconductedanethnographicresearch.Kummaraisbasedonfamily care, strengthening of women’s business, and reconnecting Aboriginal women to their culturalrole.Theorganisationaddressestheconsequences of the which wasaforcibleseparationofAboriginalchildrenfromtheirfamilies,theirreeducationand Christianisationforthedurationof50years(19101969)ofAustralianhistory.Mythesisis that Aboriginal women practicing family care and women’s spirituality in Kummara contributetorevitalisationoftraditionalIndigenousculture.Thisoccursmainlyineducation ofchildrenandyoungpeople(implementingritesofpassageandparentalprograms),andin reconnectingtothetraditionalroleofwomeninfamily,communityandinspirituallife. Inthe Aboriginalcontextofhealth,thewomeninKummaraengageinaprocessofcultural,spiritual and emotional healing. Theyhaveadaptedtheirwaysofdoingthistomodern society and havebeeninfluencedbydifferentWesternandothercultural concepts whilestilltryingto preserve elements of their traditional past. By nature, the women’s perceptions of what is Aboriginaltodaydiffer,astheirpersonalitiesdiffer.Therefore,theprocessofrevitalisingthe women’scultureseemstobeinconsistent.SimilarlytootherAboriginalinstitutions,itmay also be driven by various political interests and aims as it is balancing in between the mainstreamandthecommunitydemands.IarguethatKummaraisagoodexampleofhow fruitful,thoughcomplicated,itistofindacommondefinitionofAboriginalculturethatcan be said to be shared. What I can bring into the debates on cultural revitalisation is an acknowledgement that the women in Kummara are aware of the innovative and adaptable nature of their own culture, communicate it, and understand it as a necessary process of culturaldynamismandchange.

4 SOUHRN: Předmětem této studie o současné městské kultuře Austrálců je, jak komunitní organizace sociálnípéče,Kummara,přispívákrevitalizacitradičníkulturyAustrálců. Vevýzkumujsemsezaměřilanacentrumrodinnépéče nativních žen – Kummara Family Care–vBrisbane,kdejsempodobupětiměsícůpracovalajakodobrovolník.Hlavnímcílem Kummaryjepéčeorodinuaděti,alesoučasněposílenípoziceAustrálekvmoderníaustralské společnostiaznovuobjevováníjejichtradičnírole.Tatoorganizaceusilujeořešenínásledků tzv. Ukradených generací , neboli šedesátileté etapy (19101969) kdy australští sociální pracovníci násilně odebírali děti zrodin Austrálců a podrobovali je západní převýchově a christianizaci. Hlavní tezí této práce je, že Kummara svou činností přispívá k revitalizaci tradičníkultury Austrálců,atopředevšímvoblastivýchovydětíadospívajících(zavádění přechodových rituálů a rodičovských programů) a znovuobjevování tradiční role ženy vrodině, komunitě a ženském spirituálním životě. Zpohledu nativních obyvatel a jejich holistickéhochápánízdravísetakpodílínakulturním,spirituálnímaemocionálnímléčení. Přestožejsouzpůsoby“léčení”arodinnépéčepochopitelněmodernizoványanesouvsobě prvkyzjinýchkultur,kterésoudoboukulturuAustrálcůzevšechstran ovlivňujíaformují, přesto v sobě zachovávají jakýsi pravzor, neboli to, co se považuje za původní tradici. Představyženoobnovovánítradicasoučasněozpůsobujakjepřizpůsobitmodernímuživotu, sepřirozeněliší,stejnějakojejichosobnosti.Protosejejichaktivityapříspěvkykrevitalizaci tradičníženskékultury,izpůsob,jakýmonípřemýšlejí, mohou zdát poněkud nejednotné, nekonzistentní. Podobně jako je tomu u ostatních australských nativních organizací, i Kummarasledujeurčitéideologickécíleazájmy.Jevesložitépozici,neboťmusísplňovat jak očekávání komunity, tak majoritní společnosti, která Kummaru prostřednictvím vlády finančněpodporuje.Myslímsi,žefungovánítétoorganizacejedobrýmpříklademtoho,jak plodnéasoučasněkomplikovanéjeshodnoutsenaspolečnédefinicikultury,kteroudotyční lidésdílejí.Mýmpřínosemkdebatámorevitalizacikulturyjekonstatování,ženativníženy, skterými jsem měla tu čest pracovat, si jsou plně vědomy proměnlivosti vlastní kultury, diskutujíotétoproměnlivostiachápoujijakonutnýproceskulturníhodynamismuazměny.

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Real ‘traditions’ can be invented, just as ‘imagined communities’ can be real communities – assuming we recognise social reality as a social construct. (Alan Barnard 2006:7)

The only way how to keep this country healthy is to practice cultural business here. (Samuel Watson, Aboriginal elder, Yuggera community, Brisbane)

Aboriginal women just need to be women. (Jackie Huggins)

6 CONTENT CHAPTERONE I. Introduction...... 8 1.1Methodology...... 10 1.2Meinthefield...... 11 1.3Structuringthethesis...... 13 CHAPTERTWO II. Theoretical Issues...... 15 2.1DebateonIndigeneityandCulturalInvention...... 15 2.2OriginsofIndigenousmovementsincontemporaryAustralia...... 18 CHAPTERTHREE III. Aboriginal Women...... 23 3.1AnthropologicalRepresentations...... 24 3.2AboriginalWomen’sEmpowerment...... 29 3.3.IndigenousversusWhiteWomen’sMovement...... 32 3.4IndigenousMovementasaBlackMovement...... 35 CHAPTERFOUR IV. Kummara Family Care...... 36 4.1OriginsofKummara...... 38 4.2OrganisationalStructure...... 45 4.3FundingasKummara’sObstacle...... 47 4.4ViewoftheWomeninKummara...... 50 4.4.1AboriginalTermsofReference...... 51 4.4.2Men’sandwomen’sbusiness–genderroles...... 54 4.4.3Womenandfamilycare...... 57 4.4.4PlanningofRitesofPassageforyouth...... 58 4.4.5ReflectionsonAboriginalwomen’sspirituality...... 62

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V. Discourse on Invention and Revitalisation...... 66 Conclusion...... 77 Bibliography...... 79 APPENDIXES A.Kummara’sreport...... 85 B.Interviews...... 86 C.Photodocumentation...... 120 .

7 I. Introduction BothAboriginalpeopleandnonAboriginalsocialscientistshavecontinuouslypaidagreat dealofattentiontotheissueofAboriginalidentityandcultureinnewsettings.Theyfocuson urbanAboriginalculture,politicalissues,landrights,andonthewholeideaofAboriginal identity.Oneofthecentralproblemsisthatasingle,specificandwidelyapplicabledefinition of Aboriginality has not been agreed upon (Schwab 1991). It is said that contemporary Australia is undergoing the process of decolonization 1 and reconciliation,2 of cultural recovery. Consequently, Aboriginal culture and ideas of Aboriginality are in a continuous processofadaptationandchange.Variousauthors(Sutton1988,Creamer1988,Reay1988, Cowlishaw1993,Morton1998,Kolig2005,Maddock2002,Merlan2005)presentdifferent theoriesofculturalrevitalisationinruralandurbanAustraliatoday.Reay(1988),Maddock (2002) and Morton (1998) reject the idea of creating contemporary Aboriginal culture by transmissionofcultureelementsderivedfromtheprecontactperiod.Others,however,such asSutton,Cowlishaw,andKolig,arguefor‘reflexivity’and‘inventiveness’oftheemerging culture. This includes revitalisation of certain elements of what is perceived as traditional cultureaswellasinteractionwithcontemporaryWhitesociety.WhileSutton(1988)operates withtheterm“selfrealization”,Kolig(2005)callsitthe“revivalofculturaltradition”,and Cowlishaw(1993)maintainstheconceptofselfcreating“oppositionalculture”. How can revitalisation in Indigenous culture be applied to the wellbeing of women and families?InthepresentprocessofculturalrecoverythatAustraliaisundergoing,healthand welfare services arebeing reshaped. Since the 1970s,therehasbeenashiftingovernment healthpolicytowardpoliciesofAboriginalselfdetermination and selfmanagement. There hasbeenfundingofIndigenouscommunitybasedorganisationsinsocialcare–institutionsas communitycentresledmostlybyIndigenouspeople.Thesecommunityorganisationsconnect WesternandIndigenoushealthcaremodels,formingaproductivemixofboth.Indigenous staff is trained in capacity and community building management that was designed in the USAinresponsetotheeconomiccrisisof1970s.Kummara(‘Kummara’meaning‘watching overthechildren’)isoneoftheIndigenousselfgovernedcommunityorganisations,runby

1Decolonizationisdefinedas“anattempttoreflectcriticallyonthenature,scope,andprocessofcolonialism, particularlyitsimpactoncolonizedpeopleandtheirenvironments”byThaman(2003:1). 2Merlanunderstandsthisas“creatinganewrelationshipbetweensettlerAustraliaanditsIndigenouspeople” (Merlan2005:485). 8 Indigenouswomenandfundedtoalargeextentfromthestateandgovernmentalresources.It isanIndigenouscharitableorganisationwhoseprimarygoalistohelpfamiliesstaytogether, tostrengthenrelationshipsbetweenmenandwomen,andparentsandtheirchildrenandto helpchildrenandtheirmotherswithallpossibleneeds.Theorganisationiscentredonthe culturallysignificantinputofwomenandreflectstheproperplaceofAboriginalwomenin thecareandprotectionofallchildren.Itcomesfromanunderstandingthatastrongwoman can be a good mother of her children and the ‘healer’ of her family as a societal unit. Therefore,Kummaraisawomenledorganisationdealingwithallissuesconcerningwomen’s social,spiritualandemotionalwellbeing.AlthoughthetargetgroupsareIndigenousfamilies, KummaraisaccessiblefornonIndigenouspeopletoo.Itsdoorsareopentoeveryonesince Kummara functions as a mediator between the Indigenous and nonIndigenous people and mainstreamorganisations.AnissuewomeninKummaraintensivelydealwithisthefactthat contemporaryAustralianandIndigenoussocietyisverymuchmaledominated.Theroleof women in contemporary Aboriginal society has been overlooked and has not been made public.Thiscancausealackofrecognitionaswellasinterferenceintheirsphereofbusiness. ThepastexperienceofAboriginalchildrenbeingtakenawayfromtheirfamilies(knownas the Stolen generations )perpetuatesthepersistingstereotypesofAboriginalwomenasbeing neglectful of their children. 3 There is also a growing problem of domestic violence in Aboriginal communities both urban and rural when women are the victims mostly. Indigenous writers, such as Jackie Huggins (1998) or Larissa Behrendt (2005) argue that Aboriginesandwomenespecially,stillexperiencealackofculturalsafetyandrecognition. WomeninKummaraemphasisethattheyneedtobeculturallyrecognisedwithinthewelfare system–asmothersandcarers.Theycallforchildcareandfamilywellbeingas women’s business,traditionallyascribedtowomen(Reid1982).Aftertheconsiderablechangefamily andkinshipmodelshaveundergoneasaresultoftwohundred yearsofcolonization,they want to regain this responsibility. In this way, Aboriginal women are on the way to re empower themselves and ‘heal’ their culture. The process of this cultural healing, as emphasisedbywomeninKummara,mustnecessarilybeinnovative. IarguethatthecontentandspiritofKummara’sworkisrelevanttothecontextofcultural revitalisationincontemporaryAustralia.ThetopicsIintendtoexplorearewhatthewomenin Kummara understand to be child care, family and women’s wellbeing; how they maintain 3TheimageofIndigenouschildreninneedofcareandneglectedgoeshandinhandwithaconstanteffortto upliftandciviliseIndigenousAustralianssincethefirstcontactwiththeircolonizers(Eckermann1992). 9 women’shealingbusinessinthepresentsociety,andhowtheydefinethecontemporaryrole ofwomen.ForthisendIamlookingattheircurrentprojectsandhowsuccessfultheyare.The thesis will draw upon theoretical approaches developed most fully by scholars involved in debatesonculturalinvention,andrevitalisationin contemporary Australia and the Pacific, andindiscussionsoncontemporaryIndigeneity.Crucialtotheanalysisthatfollowsarethe worksbyWagner(1975),Sutton(1988),Cowlishaw(1993),Kolig(2002),Maddock(2002), Merlan(2005),andBarnard(2006),whicharepresentedinthefollowingchapter.Generally, theyoperatewiththecaseofcontemporaryIndigenouscultureaswellaswiththemeaningof ‘tradition’forthepresentIndigenouspeople.Someauthorsclaimthatcontemporarytraditions arenotrealtraditionsanymoresincetheyarenotdrawingfromtheirrealorigins;theyare inventedtocreateasuitablepast.Otherssupporttheideathattraditionsofallculturesare continually being invented just as culture is constantly being created, and that they are absolutelyrealinthepresent.

I discussed my research topic with Indigenous staff from the Aboriginal and Torres Strait IslanderStudiesUnitattheUniversityofQueensland.Iwasnotsureaboutwhatsubjectcould besufficientlyexploredduringmysixmonthvisit.Also,Iwasverykeentoquestionissues thathavenotbeendiscussedenough,andthatwouldbebeneficialfortheUnittoo.Myonly planwastolooktowardsAboriginalwomen’sissuesasIpresumedthatthewomen’sworld would be more accessible for me, being a woman myself. Additionally, my research was restricted by the Brisbane area where I lived and studied. ItwastheUnitDeputyDirector Jackie Huggins who encouraged me to focus on urban Aboriginal women’s healing. She introduced me to Dulcie Bronsch from Kummara Association Incorporated, and to the IndigenousFamilyCareCentreinWestEnd,Brisbane,whereIenrolledasavolunteer.

1.1 Methodology TheempiricaldatawascollectedduringmyengagementinKummaraFamilyCareCentrein West End, Brisbane, where I volunteered for theperiod from August to December 2006. I used methods and techniques of ethnographic research defined by Spradley (1979, 1980), HammersleyandAtkinson(1995),andSilverman(1999)amongothers. Iusedavarietyof fieldworkmethodsinmyresearch,includingsixsemistructuredinterviews(2070minutes in length), various ethnographic techniques, which involved participant observations, and informaldiscussions,alldetailedanddated.Ioriginallyplannedtousebiographicalinterview

10 methods but decided not too as I was told by the University staff that Aboriginal people generallytendtoincorporatethemostcommonlifestoriesoftheirpeopleintotheirindividual one. Therefore, biographical interviews would melt with the widely shared “myth”. Nevertheless, I attached everyone’s short life storyinthebeginningof eachinterview.All interviewswererecordedandtranscribed.Allmy respondentsgavemethedeclarationthat theydonotmindhavingtheirfullnamesmadepublic.Therefore,Irefertotheirrealnames after every quotation. All of them were members of Kummara Family Care Centre, Indigenouswomenintheirmiddleages,exceptJackieHuggins,theDeputyDirectorfromthe UniversityofQueensland.Jackiesupervisedmyworksincemyarrival,andsincesheisawell recognisedfemaleIndigenousactivistinQueensland,andanassociatememberofKummara, Ifeltcompelledtoincludeherinmylistofinterviewees.Iengagedasaparticipantobserver inwomen’sfamilycare,regularwomen’smeetings,andasanattendantandorganiserofa twoday women’s conference. In addition, I engaged in various activities in Indigenous communities,visitinglectures,conferences,ceremonies,artperformancesandexhibitionsand thelike.

1.2 Me in the field

AsIsaid above,myentrytoKummarawasmediatedbyJackieHuggins.Sheintroducedme toDulcieBronsch,Kummara’sculturalstrengtheningandcommunitydevelopmentworker. Jackieexplainedtoherthatoneoftheinternationalstudentswaskeentolearnmoreabout Aboriginalwomen’sissuesandthatshecouldvolunteerforKummara.AsDulcieadmitted, shewasabitafraidofmebeingsoyoung.Shethought it would mean a long process of explainingeverythingtome.Ontheotherhand,shewasgladtohavesomeonetogivehera handwiththepreparationofaforthcomingwomen’sconference.Contactingvariouswomen’s IndigenousorganisationsandindividualwomeninQueensland,sendinginvitations,making power point slides and the conference’s program were my main activities in Kummara. I assistedattheconferenceitselfandmadethefinalevaluationofitsoutcomesandvisitors’ feedbacks.IalsovisitedthechildcarecentreandvariousAboriginalcommunitymeetingsthat tookplaceinBrisbaneatthattimewithmyfriendsfromKummaraoralone.Intheend, Dulciesaid:“IthinkyougotareallygoodunderstandingofwhatKummaraisabout,sister”. Particularlytheterm“sister”wasofaspecialimportancetomesincethatishowAboriginal womencallthemselvesinafamiliarway.Allthestaffwasveryfriendlyandkeentotalkto me,althoughtheywereusuallyquitebusy.Theyhadmoreorlessflexibleworkinghoursso

11 theywererarelypresentallatthesametime.Additionally,duetoherhealthproblems,the CEO of Kummara, Sue, was often absent. When she noticed I had new questions to ask, Dulciewouldusuallysay “ok,let’shaveacuppaandacigaretteand youcanaskme your questions”andstoppedworkingforawhile.ThewomeninKummarawouldoftensendmeto talk to Mary, who is known to be a specialist for things concerning Aboriginal women’s issues.Theyusuallysaid“talktoMaryaboutthosethings.SheisanexpertonAboriginal women’sbusiness”.Needlesstosay,Marywasanicon even attheUniversity, wherethey talkedaboutherasthemosteducatedandintellectualAboriginalwomanintheBrisbanearea. Indeed,Marywasmeanttobemykeyinformant.Inthebeginning,IthoughtKummarawasa women’s healing centre as Jackie presented it. I did not know that family care can, in Indigenouseyes,beunderstoodashealing.Slowly,stepbystep,IunderstoodwhatKummara is,whatwomen’sbusinessmeans,andthatfamilycareisjustonecrucialpartofit. Retrospectively,IseethatIwasreallyintoKummara’swork:Ihadnotplannedtowriteabout anything but strong Aboriginal women and their call for a voice in the community. That markedly changed with the See Change Conference that occurred halfway through my fieldwork. Aboriginal women from all parts of Queensland there were discussing their cultural needs, terms with which they can refer to themselves and issues of their cultural healingandselfempoweringaswomen.IcanrecallmyconfusionwhenIunderstoodthat,in the women’s eyes; the proclaimed reconnecting to the traditional women’s role includes diversenonIndigenous culturalelements.Subsequently,Irealiseditisthewaythingsare, andmustbe,asnothingispermanent.Therecannotbeanytraditionalcultureanymoresince the colonization of Australia. All have been changed and influenced by Western ways of thinkingandwhatthe‘real’cultureusedtobeinthepastcannolongerbefullyproclaimed. Understandingthatcultureisinaconstantprocessofchange,wecannotjudgeanyonebyhis orhersocalled‘authenticity’.TheconferencewasalsoaboutAboriginalwomen’sclaimsof independence and recognition within the society. It is important to say, though, that AboriginalwomenwouldrejectanycomparisontotheWhitewomen’smovementsincetheir interestsdiffer.However,itsometimesseemedtomethattheywerequitefeministicintheir agenda.IhavetosaythatItalkedaboutKummaraand my research questions with many Indigenous professors, friends or colleagues. I wasveryopentoallkindsofopinionsbut sometimes, I felt slightly discriminated in my viewpoint of an anthropologist. In contemporary Australia, there is a stigma on the work of former anthropologists and on anthropology in general. Indigenous people associate it with sculls measuring and racial

12 categorisationofpeople,withtreatingpeopleasobjects,andwithWhitescientificviewpoint especially.ThatiswhyIalwaystriedtobeahelpfulcontributortoKummara’swork,notonly theonewhoquestionspeople.Inpractice,womeninKummarawerereallyhardworkingand passionateabouttheirwork.Theywereveryfriendlytoalltheclientsandwomencoming fromothercommunityorganisations.Kummarawasaplaceofregular women’sgatherings that are meant to be part of community building and strengthening project. Sometimes, Kummara functioned as a supervisor to all visiting female social workers facing issues of victimsofdomesticviolence,neglectedorlonelychildren,womenwithouthomeandsoforth. ThatiswhyitwasabitsadsometimestolistentowhatwashappeninginAboriginalfamilies. AsregardsotherpartsofKummara,Ifoundthechildcarecentre,Koolyangarra,withallits activitiesasaverypleasantplacethatdefinitelyconnectsfamiliesandchildren.

1.3 Structuring the thesis Afewwordsaboutthestructureofthethesis:Thesecondchaptersetsoutaframeworkfor studying issues of cultural invention in contemporary Australia and their relation to the agenda of Kummara. The third chapter discusses gender division in the past and present Aboriginal society, men’s and women’s roles, and men’s and women’s business. After introducingKummarainthefourthchapter,Iwillpresentthedata,interviewsandfieldnotes, collectedduringtheresearch.ThelargestpartisgiventothevoicesoftheIndigenouswomen Iworkedwith.ItillustratestheirviewontheprincipalissuesofKummara.Iconsciouslyusea lot of quotations here as I wanted to let the Indigenous women speak for themselves. I understandthistobetheethicsofethnography.WhenIrefertocategoriessuchasIndigenous, Western,Black,orWhite,IusecapitalssinceIfinditculturallysensitive.Sometimes,afocus on language can seem to be just academic verbosity but words can be very powerful, especiallyiftheycommunicatesubjectssuchasculture,identity,orrace.

AsIdeclareinthebeginning,thethesiswilldiscussrevitalisationof Indigenousculturein contemporaryAustralia.Under‘revitalisation’,authorssuchasAndersSalomonson(1984)or Denis Chevallier (2005) refer to the voluntary act of adopting certain historical cultural practices and investing them with new meaning by staging an event. Since those cultural practices are widely referred to as something traditional, the concept of ‘tradition’ will be crucialforthisstudy.Itisimportant,then,tomakeclearhowitisusedbytheauthorsIam referring to, as well as by Indigenous people in Australia, and my respondents. The most neutralmeaningof‘tradition’istheactionoftransmittingorhandingdownatransmissionof

13 statements,beliefs,rules,customs,orthelike,esp.bywordofmouthorbypracticewithout writing. It can refer to the precontact period in Australian history. Nevertheless, in IndigenousAustraliaitoftenhasaconnotationofidyllicbutuncertainpastthatIndigenous peopleclaimtodrawon.ThisisnotanAustralian issueonly asthecasesofforgery and ‘invented’traditionsareratheracommonphenomenon.EricHobsbawm(1983:2)definesthe ‘inventedtradition’as“asetofpractices,normally governedbyovertly ortacitly accepted rulesandofaritualofsymbolicnature,whichseektoinculcatecertainvaluesandnormsof behaviourbyrepetition,whichautomaticallyimpliescontinuitywiththepast.Infact,where possible,theynormallyattempttoestablishcontinuitywithasuitablehistoricpast.”Sincethe theoryofinventedtraditionshaspoliticalimplicationsinthePacific,theauthorswritingabout culturalrevitalisationinthisareasuggestusingdifferentterms,suchas retraditionalisation, revival,orinnovation. 4Isympathisewiththeword‘innovation’asitunderstandscultureand traditionassomethingchangeable,underprocessofadaptationorcreation.“Oneisnotborn traditional:onechoosestobetraditionalbyconstantinnovation”,accordingtoBrunoLatour (1994:103).ItisinterestingthatmyIndigenousrespondentsandotherpeopleItalkedtowere reallyskilledinavoidinganyusageofthewords‘invention’ortheverb‘invent’.However, when they talked about contemporary Indigenous culture, some of them insisted on its traditionalcharacter,whilesome–asforexamplethewomeninKummara,rejectedtheidea ofitstraditionalism,andemphasiseditsprogressivism.Thus,thewomeninKummara,aswell asacademicsattheUniversity,encouragedmetoavoidtheterm‘invention’asinflammatory when talking about contemporary Indigenous culture. This discourse raises a question of accessibilityoftheterm‘tradition’itself.Fromanthropologicalperspective,thereisnosingle definitionoftradition,anditismoreefficienttofocusonhowindividualsusethisterm,and whatmeaningtheyprojectinit.

4 Nevertheless, the original meaning of ‘invention’ and ‘innovation’ paralleled as follows: “Words like ‘invention’and‘innovation’areoftenusedtodistinguishnovelactsorideas,orthingscreatedforthefirsttime, fromactions,thoughts,andarrangementsthathavebecomeestablished,orhabitual.Suchadistinctionconceals an assumption of the ‘automatic’ or ‘determined’ nature of ordinary action quite as much as deterministic notionsdo.Byextendingtheusageof‘invention’and‘innovation’tothewholerangeofthoughtandaction,I meantocounteractthisassumptionandtoassertthe spontaneous and creative realization of human culture” (Wagner1975:37). 14 II. Theoretical issues Thischaptersetsoutaframeworkforrelatingissuesofculturalinventionincontemporary AustraliatotheagendaoftheIndigenouswomen’sorganisation,Kummara.Thefirstpartof this chapter focuses on Australia in a wider cultural context by illustrating the debates on innovatingcultureintheSouthPacific.Here,IamdrawingmainlyontheworkofMaddock (2002),Sutton(1988),Guenther(2006),andBarnard(2006).Thesecondpartbrieflyreviews the historical context of contemporary Australia, government policies towards Indigenous people,andeventuallytheirrevitalisationmovement.InthethirdpartIwilldepictsomeof the issues arising in approaching contemporary Australian Aboriginality. This subject is especiallycontentiousbecausetherehasbeenastrongtendencyintheWesternliteratureand anthropology especially, to base the description of the present Aboriginal societies on its comparisontothetraditionalone. 5Itisclearthatthismodelisnevergoingtoworksincethe colonizationhasledtoalargetransformationofAboriginalculture.Wehavetoconcentrate onthe“livedreality”andonthecontemporaryemergingculture.Inthelast,fifthchapter,I willcomparethedatawiththetheoriesofculturalrevitalisationandinventionandpresentthe mainfindingsandperspectivestoo.

2.1 Debate on Indigeneity and Invention of Tradition

Postmodernistdebateson‘inventionoftraditionorinventionofculture’beganwithvarious Pacificcasestudiesinthe1980s.AnthropologistsstudyingthePacificbeganindependentlyto view ‘culture’, ‘tradition’ or ‘custom’ as a symbolic construction, or a product of contemporary human activity rather than a passively inherited legacy. Hobsbawm’s and Renger’siconicandprovocativebook The Invention of Tradition showedthatnewinstitutions of governance in Europe and its colonial dependencieswerefrequentlyimbuedwithstatus and legitimacy through the creation of traditional ceremonies and identities. The book stimulatedoverwhelmingresearchactivityoninventedandimaginedtraditionsinEuropeand elsewhere. 6AnindependentfieldofresearchoccurredinthePacific.Aspecialissueofthe journal Mankind (Keesing and Tonkinson 1982) offered first studies of this emerging framework.Hobsbawmopposestheexistenceof‘genuinetraditions’toinventedones.Those 5OneoftheclassicalworksonAustralianAboriginesistheonebyA.P.Elkin1938. Australian Aborigines: How to understand them? witha‘typical’imageofan Australian Aboriginal manonthe front.Heissituatedina bush,withapieceofclotharoundhiswaiststandingononelegandcarryingaspear. 6Furthermore,Anderson’s(1983) Imagined Communities andWagner’s(1975) The Invention of Culture hitthe shelvesaboutthattime. 15 traditionsdonotconstituteadirectcontinuitywithpastpractices,andtheirclaimedcontinuity with a certain historic past is “largely factitious” (1983:2). Hobsbawm distinguishes invariabletraditionsfromflexibleandchangeablecustomsthat,ifroutinelyrepeated,cannot haveanylargerritualorsymbolicfunction.Heobservesthatnewtraditionsaremorelikelyto be invented in modern societies experiencing social changes, whereas customs dominate ‘traditionalsocieties’.AccordingtoKolig(2002),theemergingprocessesin3 rd and4 th world societiesdonotfundamentallydifferfromthoseinWesternor1 st worldsocieties.Hewrites that,inbothcases,“thenoveltymaybedressedupasantiquitybyadeliberate,calculated process which in extreme instances assumes the character of fraud” (2002:12). Thus, the inventive character of culture is not exclusive to Indigenous societies of Australia, New Zealand,Canada,theUnitedStates,SouthAfrica,SouthAmerica,Japan,SoutheastAsiaand thePhilippinesbutalsotoBritainandIreland 7orFrance 8.Itoccursinmodernsocietiesthat attempt to construct invented traditions of a novel type and for novel purposes by using ancient materials. Thus, “even the historic continuity had to be invented, for example by creatinganancientpastbeyondeffectivehistoricalcontinuityeitherbysemifiction...orby forgery(Ossian,Czechmedievalmanuscripts)”(Hobsbawm1983:7). SimilarlyforthePacificcontext,‘authentic’culturesarealwayspartlyacumulativeproduct ofthepoliticalmythsoftheancestorsthathelptoreinforcecertainideologies(seeKessing 1982).Thus,traditionisunavoidablypolitical.AnotherpointofthisauthoristhatIndigenous culturesexperiencingculturalrevivalmight,paradoxically,findaninspirationinethnographic studiesofmuchhatedanthropologists.Thispoliticizationoftraditionprovokedanattackby theHawaiianscholarTrask(1991),whoaccusedKeesingofcolonialarroganceandracism because he questioned Indigenous representations of their tradition (see Keesing’s reply 1991).Allfollowinganthropologicalstudiesofthepoliticsoftraditionhadtofacesimilar Indigenouscritique(Friedman1993,Hanson1989and1991,Linnekin1992etc.).Despitethe factthattheterm‘culturalinvention’wasclarifiedbyWagner(1975) 9thistermstillimplies thepoliticaldebatesofanthropologistsandIndigenouspeopleinthecontemporaryPacific.

7E.g.CelticcultorWelshandGaeliclanguagerevivalorScottishbagpipeandkiltrevival(TrevorRoper1983). 8 Kolig (2002) particularly talks about the rightwing French nationalists and other rightwing Europeans, proclaimingtheirindigeneityvisàvisrecentimmigrants,mainlyfromtheIslamicworldandSaharanAfrica. 9 The various contexts of a culture get their meaningful characteristics from one another, through the participationofsymbolicelementsinmorethanonecontext.Theyareinventedoutofeachother,andtheidea thatsomeoftherecognisedcontextsinacultureare‘basic’or‘primary’,orrepresentthe‘innate’,orthattheir propertiesaresomehowessentiallyobjectiveorreal,isaculturalillusion.Yetitisanecessaryillusion,asmuch apartoflivinginandinventingaculturefromthe‘inside’astheanthropologist’sassumptionofhardandfast rulesisapropforhisinventionoftheculturefromthe‘outside’(Wagner1975:41). 16 “Particularly the word ‘invention’ has caused a stir because it undermines exactly what it describes: the political use of ‘ageold’ traditions to defend or establish rights, status and privilege,”asstatedbyOttoandPedersen(2005:17). Intheirrecentcollectionofcasestudies, Tradition and Agency. Tracing cultural continuity and invention (2005),theyslightlyreverse previousconcepts,claimingthat “customs,as well astraditions,are centraltoallkindsof societies, even though differences can be found in the type of traditions that prevail” (2005:14).TheydenyHobsbawm’spositioningofaninventedtraditionandarguethat“all traditionsareconstructedorinventedatsomestageinhistoryandthisdoesnotnecessarily makethemlessgenuine”(2005:31;seealsoJolly1992,Linnekin1991). 10 The debates of Kolig (2002, 2005), Merlan (2005), Barnard (2006), or Guenther (2006) examinetheoriginsoftheproclaimedIndigenousidentity.GuentheracknowledgesBarnard andotherswhosupporttheideaofpoliticallyinvented Indigeneity, however he challenges their point asking whether all this doubting is of any use for existing Indigenous people. Barnard sums up that a recent invention of community in itself does not play down its authenticity:“Real‘traditions’canbeinvented,justas‘imaginedcommunities’canbereal communities–assumingwerecognisesocialrealityasasocialconstruct”(Barnard2006:7). Thus, is it ever possible to debate their ‘authenticity’? The concept of ‘tradition’ led to a mutualmisunderstanding(seeKolig2005andJocelyn1992).Indigenesunderstoodthetheory ofan‘invented’cultureasadenialoftheirpast.AslandclaimsofAustralianAboriginesare based on the provability of land connections and maintenance of culture that has been practiced on that land for generations, as stated by Native Title by the Mabo decision of 1992 11 ,the‘inventiveness’oftheirtraditionsseemstocounteracttheirclaims.“Tothemotive torevivelawsandcustomsisthusaddedamotivetodenytheywereeverlost,i.e.todenythe needforrevival”(Maddock2002:40).Furthermore,Indigeneityismostlydefinedincultural terms and in this sense is “a product of a global, postmodernist New Age, in which the ‘naturalistic’ forces of race (genes) and natural differences are deemphasised visàvis

10 Also, derived terms such as ‘invention’, ‘construction’, ‘objectification’ or ‘representation’ come from the understandingofcultureas“creativelyfashioned”(Linnekin1992:251)ratherthanpasseddown. 11 Inparticular,itisacruelironyforAboriginalpeopletobeaskedtoprovetheir‘traditionalconnection’with land, given the history of massacres, institutionalisation, and coercive assimilation, with which the state had sought to make them into good middle class (and preferably white) citizens of Queensland. Native Title legislationinthe1990sreturnedtoanideaof‘traditional’Aboriginality.Newkindsofbureaucracies,setupto address native title would represent Aboriginal people who could reveal they had the right kinds of cultural artefacts(tradition,connection,‘tribe’),whichunderassimilationpoliciesthebureaucracieshadbeentryingto eradicatesincethe1950sandbefore(Babidge2000:178). 17 ethnicityandculture,andinwhichasharedhumanity,basically,makesusallone”(Kolig 2002:9). 2.2 Origins of Indigenous movements in contemporary Australia Australianpolicyofassimilationbyabsorptiondidnotofficiallyceaseuntiltheendofthe 1960s. Until then, Aboriginal people were absent in mainstream Australian history. They wouldbeassociatedwithstatic,primitiveandtraditionalpastandtherebyexcludedfromthe changingstoryofAustraliansociety.Onlythepejorativelyspecified‘fullblood’peoplewere recognised as ‘real’ Aborigines, part of a dying race, being swept aside by the march of civilisation.AustraliahadpoliciestodrawAborigines into the mainstream, both culturally andracially.“Theword‘assimilation’wasinterpretedinvariousways,butinpracticeitwas alwaysintendedtomeanabsorption,lossofseparateidentity”(Berndts1978:110).Aboriginal people were expected to take their place within the Australian system, ideally being equal with the same range of choices, the same freedom of action and movement and the same responsibilities.However,thisactuallymeantrapidchange,andinevitabledisappearanceof traditionallifestyle.Therewasanincreaseinremovalstosettlementsandmissionsaswellas forcibleremovalofsocalled‘halfcaste’children(the Stolen generations )fromtheirfamilies. This was an official government policy in some Australian states from approximately the 1910suntil1969.ButitwasalsoaprojectionofawiderstereotypicalnotionofAboriginal culture being dangerous and of Aboriginal parents being negligent (Goodall and Huggins 1992).Haebich(2000:13)describestheagendaofchildremovalsasfollows: Aboriginalfamilieshavebeenviewedassitesofphysicalandmoraldangerandneglectandthe rights of parents and children to remain together denied. Official interventions into these familieshavetakentheformofdirectactionthroughtheforcedremovalofchildrenfromtheir homesandofficialcampaignstocarvefamilynetworksintoisolatednuclearfamilyunits,as wellasofficiallycondonedpracticesofdiscriminationandneglectwhichthreatenedthevery survivalofmanyfamiliesandcommunities. Soentrenchedweresuchbeliefsthatevenwhennopolicywasinforcetosecuretheremoval ofAboriginalchildren(asforexampleinVictoriaduringthetwentiethcenturyorinNSW after1969),theeffectoftheinstitutionalisedracismofthe‘normal’childwelfaresystemwas suchthatAboriginalchildrenwerestillseparatedfromtheirfamilies(GoodallandHuggins 1992:413).Thiskindofinstitutionalisationdidnotceaseuntilthelate 1970s,whenmajor

18 changes in policy and practice began mainly through Aboriginal and welfare agency pressure. “The Aboriginal children placement principle which guided these changes stated thatAboriginalchildrenshouldremainwithintheirfamilyandcommunityenvironments,and thatremovalofanyAboriginalchildrenshouldbealastresort”(Haebich2000:45).Itcalled fortherecognitionofIndigenouswaysofchildcare,thereviewofexistingwelfarepractices and services, and the development of Aboriginal family support programs – all for the keepingofchildrenwithintheirnaturalfamilies.Ifremovalwasfoundasnecessary,fostering andadoptionshouldbewithinAboriginalfamilies.Aboriginalservicesforfamiliesandchild placementagenciesweresetupinallstatesandthepoliticsofadoptionwasformalised. Thisshiftingovernmentpolicyaffectedallthestates.Withthehorrifyingexperienceofthe SecondWorldWar,thepolicydrewbackfromanytaintofracistlanguage.Itwasnotuntil thereferendumof1967thatAborigineswereofficiallyincludedinthenationalcensus.The CommonwealthgovernmentwasempoweredtomakelawsforAboriginesandtohelpintheir advancement. They started to be viewed as potentially good, middleclass Australians. Policies focused on elevating the standards of housing, health, and education. But it was obvious that this kind of ‘integration’ without assimilation as an ‘approved’ socialisation processwouldeventuallymergeAboriginalsocialhabitsinthemajoritysocialorder.Thelate 60sand70sshowedagrowingmovementpressuringforAboriginalselfdetermination(1972 1975),alsoencouragedbyEuropeans.Thiswasfollowed by a growth of the Black Power movement,NationalTribalCouncilandAboriginalCommunityControlledHealthServices. Aboriginal people were encouraged to take charge of their own affairs, financially, technically, and socioeconomically. As stated in the Selfmanagement policy (1975 until now), Aboriginal people must be held accountable for their decisions and management of finance.Therewasaheavypushforlandrights,separatehealth,andhousingservicesbutstill without any significant outcomes. With the establishment of Aboriginal and Torres Strait IslanderCommission(ATSIC)in1989,allconsultativeanddecisionmakingfunctionswere taken over by the community (see Eckermann 1992). In line with the policy of self determination,therewerevariousselfhelpprogramsandcommunityorganisationsfundedby theAustraliangovernment.AboriginalCommunityControlledHealthServicesthatarebased onindependenceandcommunitycontrol,affordability,accessibilityandappropriatenesswere introduced.Theemphasisisonthecommunities’needsandcommunaldecisionmaking.The problem with these services is that, despite their focus on Aborigines, they are often

19 “European inspired and European supervised endeavours” (Eckermann 1992:40). Thus, a largeamountofmoneygoestoEuropeanexperts,supervisorsandadministrators. 12 Sometimes such schemes fail and there’s a general outcry about the lack of Aboriginal responsibilityandcommitment,thewasteofthousandsofdollarsofthetaxpayer’smoney.This White ‘backlash’, as it is often referred to, would be better directed towards the European superstructurewhichismanipulatingthefunds(Eckermann1992:40). ExamplesofthiskindoffailureweretheAboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderCommission (ATSIC)andAboriginalIslanderChildCareAgency(AICCA).Bothoftheseorganisations were closedowingtofinancialmismanagement andconflictsofinterests.Anotherproblem withthisWhite‘backlash’isinitswayofproblemsolving.Itseemsthatonceweidentifya problem,andwestudythoseaffectedbytheproblem,wetendtoidentifythedifferencesas thecauseofthesocialproblemitself.Finally,we“assignagovernmentbureaucrattoinventa humanitarianactionprogramtocorrectthedifferences”(PurpelandRyan1976:89).During the late 1990s Australians were forced to acknowledge the discriminatory treatment of AboriginalchildrenandfamiliesasmembersoftheStolen generations .TheHumanRights and Equal Opportunity Commission Inquiry into the Forced Separation of Aboriginal and TorresStraitIslanderChildrenfromtheirFamilies,InquiryReport ,had beguntoexposethetruthofwhathappened. Sincethe1980s,Aboriginalpoliticshavecontinuedtodemandequalrightsandrecognitionof separaterights,possessionofland,anddifferentculture.Huggins(1992)referstothistimeas adecadeofculturalrevitalisation,whenAboriginalculturewasreclaimed.Abriefreviewof thisformofideologicalmovementisnecessaryforthefocusofthisstudy.Suttonassertsthat contemporary Australia experiences a search for real and authentic Aboriginal culture that involveslookingbacktowardsthepast. The last two decades of cultural reconstruction in rural and urban Australia have been characterisedbyasearchforrootsandhistory,attemptstorevitalisecertainelementsofwhatis perceived as traditional culture, efforts by Aborigines to control Aboriginal studies and the

12 In1997,TheCooperativeResearchCentreforAboriginalandTropicalHealth(CRCATH)wasestablished. Itsgoalisbringingtogethertheusersandprovidersoftheresearch.Oneoftheconditionsisthatthecentreis underAboriginalcontrol(chairpersonandmajorityoftheboardareAborigines)(Matthews,2001). 20 teachingofAboriginalcultureasdomainsofpaidworkandtheemergenceofanewformof Aboriginalintellectuality(Sutton1988:257). Sutton(1988)concludesthatthepractitionersofthenewintellectualityaremoreinvolvedina construction of some kind of metaphysical identity, of inherited and inherent Aboriginal powersofperceptionsandunderstanding,aswellasofhistoricallyconstitutedcontemporary identity. In the context of the general Aboriginal cultural revitalisation, this movement is essentiallyperceivedasaprocessofculturalselfrealisationthatconcernsallAustralia.The knowledgeofEnglish,literacy,andcontactwithnonIndigenousresearchersmighthavebeen facilitating, yet not crucial factors of Indigenous mobilization (see Sutton 1988). Merlan (2005)assertsthat activistsofIndigenousmovementshadformativerelationships,notonly withinIndigenousfamiliesandsocialnetworks,butalsowithWhitesasemployers,interested activists,andrepresentativesofsupportiveandsympatheticgroupssuchaschurches,unions, theCommunistparty,Freemasons,andfeminists. Sinceanyinteractionprovokesrevaluation ofperspectives,andthuskindsofinnovationandactionbothIndigenousandnonIndigenous actorscanunitethroughideologicalmovementormobilization. 13 Prolonged interaction with settlers, bringing with it oppression and insistent demand that Indigenous people modify their behaviour and see their situation through the lens of understandings and templatesforaction pressed on them were stimulito mobilization, often galvanizedbynonIndigenouspeople(Merlan2005:488). But there is, from among the Indigenous activists, always an effort to reconstitute the Indigeneity.Thetermsofreferenceareononehanduniversallyunderstandable,but,onthe other hand, still contribute to emphasise social inequalities. Merlan understands this categorical thinking of sameness and difference, emphasising the antinomy of Indigeneity versus the mainstream, as the biggest obstacle of contemporary Indigenous movements. Similarly, Maddockthinksthattheeffectsof‘mobilization’,‘reinvention’, ‘renaissance’ or ‘revival’ can always be double sided. “Many Aborigines want to bolster their sense of themselves by reinstating what they have lost. Often the result is an ambiguous relation betweenemergentandearlierreality”(Maddock2002:39).Therenewedculture,iftoorigid, canbecomenothingbutanobstacleinthepresentworldbyrestrictingwhattheythoughttobe appropriate(customs,behaviour,dress,circumcisionetc.). 13 ‘Mobilization’or‘movements’aredefinedas focusingon“attentiononsocialchangeandtransformationas purportedlydistinctfromordinarysocialreproduction”byMerlan (2005:474). 21 The cultural redefinition attempts might have their source in disbelief in the mainstream society’sculturalvaluesandlifestylebutcanalsoworkasapoliticalmeansofpromotionof theoppressedculture’sinterests.Anthropologists(e.g.Maddock2002;Reay1988;Keesing 1989)supporteitheroneoranotherofthosetheories.Itraisesaquestion,towhatextentdoes therevitalisedculturestayintherealmoftraditionandtowhatextentithasbeenmodifiedor innovated.Someauthors,suchasRowley(1971)wouldsaythatthecontemporaryAboriginal communities,intheirwayofliving,conformtorejectedracialminoritiesinotherWestern countries. It becomes clear especially if we are aware of the historical and political backgroundoftheirpresentsituation. Thetendencytomigratewithinwellestablishedlimits,theapparentindifferencetoimmediate economic advantage and the high proportion of mother and grandmotherdominated households could be better explained by such factors as availability of jobs, lack of opportunities and lack of economic security than by the transmission of culture elements derivedfromprecontracttradition(Rowley1971:1634). Similarly,Reay(1988)warnsagainstattributingpatternsofcontemporaryAboriginalculture to tribal antecedents: “It may sometimes be difficult to determine whether a shared trait originatedinprecolonialAboriginalsociety,colonialWhitesociety,orthesharedexperience and situation of itinerant rural workers” (1988:x). Contemporary Aborigines engage in a process of constructing their identity in opposition to the mainstream society, in racial differentiation, according to Cowlishaw (1993).14 Aboriginality is thus more complex interplayofconstructionofidentities.Sheargues for this ‘culture of resistance’ asbeing a politicaleffort(seeCowlishaw1993).ThecriticsofCowlishaw(Keeffe1988,Myers1986, Pettman1991,Lattas1993)questionedthepoliticalcontentofthisoppositionalculture.The cultureofresistance,oftenfollowedbypoverty,alcoholabuseandviolencehasnegative,self destructive effects on its producer, and is not directed towards realizing change through formalpoliticalstructures.Theyarguethatonecannotderivehisorheridentitypurelyfroma sharedexperienceofoppression.TheyadmitthatcontemporaryAboriginalculturemaybea resultofamoreintenseinteractionwiththemainstreamratherthanasuitablyrewrittenpast. ThelocalcultureinAustraliamightbe“amixtureofsurvivingAboriginaltraditionsandnew AboriginaldesirestogetherwiththeperspectivesofnonAboriginallocalsandelites”(Rowse 14 Similarly,NicholasThomas(1992)writesabout‘inversionoftradition’whichhappensbycreatingcultural traditioninoppositiontoanotherone.Themainimpulseseemstobearejectionofanotheridentityandinversion ofthevaluesattachedtothatidentity,“thatis,inavalorizationofwhatisotherandwhatisforeignratherthanof whatisassociatedwithone’splace”(1992:216). 22 1993:25).Cowlishow(1993)disagreesthatwecannotbecertainevenaboutthememoriesof Aboriginal communities as they have been, “intruded by historians and anthropologists, museums, and medias. Aboriginality has emerged through reshaping old memories and forming of new ones” (Cowlishow 1993:17). Similarly, Merlan (2005:474) states the following: “ Indigeneity (like all identity categories) does not designate a fixed entity but suggestsprocessesofinteractionanddifferentiation.IndigenousmobilizationinAustraliahas involvednotonlyIndigenousbutalso,infundamentalways,nonIndigenousactorsandform of action.” Nevertheless, the present goal is to compensate for the presumed ‘loss’ of traditional knowledge mainly. Authors such as Creamer (1988) support the idea that Aboriginal,asanyotherculture,mighthavealwaysbeeninnovating;therefore,ithasnever beenlost. Myrespondentsstronglyrefusedtheideaofculturalloss.ThesameitiswithAboriginality– thewomen Italkedwithwouldwarnmeagainstcalling anyone a partly Aborigine, since everyonecan“beanAborigineornot–thereisnothingbetween.”Theyassertthatknowledge ortraditionissomethingstillmaintainedbutthattheyhavetoreconnecttoit.Iwilldiscuss thispointlater.Inthefollowingchapter,IwillfocusoncontemporaryAboriginalwomen’s issues,thebeginningsoftheAboriginalwomen’smovementandthepositionofwomenin AboriginalCommunityControlledHealthServices.

III. Aboriginal women ThethirdchapterdiscussesgenderdivisioninthepastandpresentAboriginalsociety,men’s and women’s roles, and men’s and women’s business. All this is crucial for further understanding of the following chapters presenting particular Aboriginal women’s issues. I begin with an overview of Aboriginal gender’s representation in anthropology, and then I move to contemporary issues concerning Aboriginal women. I will demonstrate how Aboriginalwomenareinmanywaysinvolvedinpublicdomains.Theyarepoliticalintheir efforttostayengagedinsimilardomainsofworkastheyhavealwaysbeen–inlookingafter community,familyandwomen’swellbeing,childcareandknowledgemaintenance.

23 3.1 Anthropological representations In this section I will present some contemporary Indigenous and nonIndigenous ethnographers’ findings on gender relations among Aborigines. For understanding the women’sroleinfamily careand women’s culturalhealingtodayIlookathowgenderhas determined both subsistence and ritual practices throughout time. Aboriginal genderrole constructsstillremainacontestedsubject,anintensivediscourseoffeministandIndigenous femalewriters 15 ,andothers.Amajorsetbacktothesegenderconstructsisinthefactthatthey usuallydrawoninterpretationsofthetraditionalsociety,andthereforeareslightlyantiquated. Thesetraditionalmaleandfemalerolesmayormaynotdifferfromwhattheyarepresently. AnotherpointmadebyMerlan(1988)isthatthegender discussion has arisen in research stimulated by European concerns about the nature of women’s involvement in society. Therefore,thisdiscussiondoesnottackleproblemsofcontemporaryAboriginalcommunities andtherelacksanethnographicstudyonthepresentgenderroles.Thiscreatesalargegulf betweenbiographicalandresearchaccounts.Inthisthesis,Iwouldliketoavoidanystatic gendercategorisationandtoturntheattentiontothe“livedreality”inthepresentAustralian society.

AuthorsdealingwithgenderinAboriginalsocietieshavecertainlybeeninfluencedbytheir historicalperiodanditsscientificconceptsaswellasbytheirownwaysofthinking.Diane Bell (1993) inspired by Kuhn’s theory of social paradigm as a way of talking about and dealing with questions and problems in a specific time and historical context, presented differentapproachesasthreeseparateparadigms.Thefirstone,presentedbyWarner(1937), orMunn(1973),statedthatwomenwereconsideredasobjects,notinvolvedinreligiouslife andmarkedasprofaneandthe“other”,“neverdecisionmakingadults”.Itwasinfluencedby Marxist class analysis, LeviStraussian structuralism, Durkheimian dualism, and psychoanalysis.Theleitmotifofthesecondparadigmwastostudywomenfromwomen’s perspective.AuthorssuchasKaberry(1939)orBerndt(1973)wentintothefieldwithaclear ideaofwomen’ssignificanceanddealtwithimportantfemaleissuesconcerningtheirrolein bothdailyactivitiesandceremoniallife(Bell1993).Thethirdparadigmbelongstofeminist socialscientistswhoquestiontheformerdogmaofmaledominance(Bell1993).Authorslike JulietteMichel,ShulamithFirestoneorEleanorLealockwanttoreconsiderandredefine“the

15 Indigenous(LarissaBehrendt,JackieHuggins,MarciaLangton)andfeminist(DianeBell). 24 problemofwomen”(Bell1993).Althoughresearchingimportantfactsaboutgender,feminist authorsperhapstendtomanipulatewithanoverlystaticmodelofmaleandfemalegenders. Since then, there has been a lot of gendered view of women’s significance in Aboriginal societiesbybothWhite(Hamilton1987,Merlan1988,Dussart2000)andIndigenousfemale authors(Huggins1988, Langton1996,Haebich 2000, Behrendt 2005 etc.). While work of Indigenousauthorsdealwithvariousissuesasland claims, reconciliation, traditional Law, sacredsitesaffairs, andIndigenousart,mostofit focuses on Aboriginal women and their presentneedsandtheproblemoftheStolen generations andviolence,bothinsideandoutside communities.ThereisanumberofbiographieswrittenbyIndigenousfemaleauthors.This correspondstothefactthatpersonallifestoriesandnarrativesgainedspecialimportancein Indigenoussociety.Oneofthemostimportantconclusionsanthropologistshavemadeisthat men and women engage in different activities but their roles are interdependent and complementary,notrigidandhierarchical,dominatedbymen.Specificsubsistenceandritual practicesdifferinfield,size,visibility,andsocialimpactespecially.Theyarewidelyreferred toas‘men’sandwomen’sbusiness. According to Lilla Watson, an Aboriginal elder from Brisbane, the women’s business includesthetotalityofallwomen’sknowledge,explicitandimplicit,spiritualandphysical, ourwaysofthinkingandacting,andourunderstandingofhumannature;women’sphysical andmentalhealth,themenstrualcycle,thesacrednessofconceptionandchildbirth,child rearing methods; techniques for maintaining harmony and managing conflict; knowledge about the specific relationships between people; responsibilities with regard to women’s spiritual wellbeing and celebrations of life, of increase, of nurturance; and women’s knowledgeandresponsibilitieswithregardtolandand the natural world (see International :Towards2000,ConferenceMelbourne,1994).Inherstudyofrituallifeofthe WarlpiriAboriginesintheCentralAustralianDesert,FrancoiseDussartsaysthat“functionof businesswasnotadeclarationofthepotencyoftheirgenderoroftheirkingroup,butrather themaintenanceoftheJukurrpa(Dreaming)inallitsvariousguises”(Dussart2000:15).By business, Dussart mostly means ritual. The starting points of the discourse on Aboriginal women’s business were two wellknown cases of the Australian society interfering in Aboriginalwomen’ssacredness.Bothofthemwereclaimsforprotectionofwomen’ssacred sitesthathavebroughttheissueofsecrecyintothepublicsphere,whereitwasscrutinised and,inbothcases,worriedaboutandeventuallydismissedasalie:theArrernteclaimsover

25 sitesnearAliceSprings(1980s),andtheNgarrindjericlaimsoversitesonHindmarshIsland, SouthernAustralia(1994).Women’sbusinessasanaspectofAboriginalwomen’slifewas notwidelydocumenteduntil1970swiththeinfluenceofthesocalledfeministanthropology. Untilthen,women’sbusinesswasonlyassumedtobealessimportantcounterparttothemore important male ritual life. Cooccurring with White women’s movement, it was also pre designatedtobeseenasaninterestofarelativelynewandmarginallyorientedgroup.Inthis study,Ilookatthephenomenonofwomen’sbusinessintheurbancontext,andmainlyat issues concerning Aboriginal child care and women’s health and healing, in terms of the wellbeingoffamiliesandofwomenespecially. The women’s business and the men’s business vary in their visible importance for the communityand,arguablyintheirimmediatevalueaswell.Allauthorsfindacommonground intermsofchildcare.InAboriginalsocieties,there was a shared responsibility for all the children,whowereseenasparticularlyprecious(Eckermann1992).Positionofchildbearers, nurturers and socialisers has always been inherent to women, mothers and grandmothers especially (e.g. Berndt 1978, Bell 1993, Brandl 1983, Huggins 1998 etc.). Brandl (1983) writesaboutAboriginalwomenas“bearersofculture.”InhisresearchonPintupispeaking WesternDesertAboriginalpeople,anAmericananthropologistFredMyers(1993)describes some important connections between growing up children and shared responsibility and personalidentity.Herelatesthematterofproducingsocialpersonstogrowingupchildrenas wellastolookingaftertheland.Pintupiusetheterm“holding”( kanyininpa )forhavingthe knowledge of ritual and place and “passing it on” for others to hold and they talk about “holding”or“lookingafter”youngerpeopleandgrowingthemup,16 givingthemknowledge, food,objectsandcountry–thusvalueconstitutingactivities.Myers(1993:36)referstothese activitiesas“productionofhumanbeings”sincethey are forms of socially directed labour “withtheintentionoftransformingthecombinationofspiritandbodyintoagents,thusgiving to such persons the capacity for acting in the world.” Those activities, then, are the cornerstones of what Aboriginal persons are representedby incontrasttoWhitepeople. Also,therelationshipofparentstotheirchildrenisoneof“holding”.Itissaidtobemainly parents’obligationtoholdortolookafterthem,though,morepeoplecanberesponsiblefora

16 Also,ChaloupkastatesthathisAboriginalfriends“grewhimup”inknowledgeabouttheland,theirsociety andtraditions(1993:8). 26 child. 17 The Pintupi believe that holding of child itself, and nurturing him or her, has transformativeeffectsonthechild’sidentity–thus,formshisorhersocialidentity.Inother words,one’sidentityispartlydefinedbytheactivityofbeinglookedafterbyothersamong thePintupi.Also,beinganadultisdefinedbythecapacitytolookaftertheothers.Myers (1993:52)recognisesthisasa“totemicorganisation,forwhichthesignificantfeatureisthat identitiesarenotconstructedprincipallyinoppositiontowhollyexternalothers,asisthecase in nationalism and ethnic discourse...in totemic system, larger identities are relatively temporaryobjectifications,sharedidentitiesproducedforthemoment.”Theteenagegirlsare underthecontrolofolderwomen,anditisnotuntiltheyhavetheirownchildrenthatthey become adults and they can independently participate in religious life (see Myers 1993). Myers’ findings concerning the meaning of child care within a community and of the relationshipofthenurturerandthechildforconstitutingcollectiveidentitiesarecrucialtothe understanding of the objectives of contemporary Indigenous family care organisations as Kummarawhichaddressestheconsequencesofthe Stolen generations . The analysis of gender roles can be dual, materialist or economic, and ritual or symbolic. Firstly,wecancomparemaleandfemalerolesonamateriallevelthroughtheircontribution tohouseholdsubsistence.Intermsofthedailyfoodcollection,mostauthors(Kaberry1939, Berndts 1978, Bell 1993, Hamilton 1987 or Merlan 1988) see women in the past as independentandselfcontained.However,ifwethinkofmen’sandwomen’srolesintermsof socialinteraction,menseemtodominate(Hamilton1987).Whilewomen’sfooddistribution wasconfinedtotheirhusbandsandchildren,menshared meat with the wider community. Thus,themen’slabourrolewasrathersocialandpublic,thewomen’sdomestic.Secondly, wecanattempttoanalysewomen’sandmen’sinvolvementinritualpractices.Hamilton,who conducted research among Pitjantjatjara women in Central Australia, points out that there weretwosectionsineachmyth–maleandfemalepartsofsongs,myths,dancesandsoforth. Onewouldbeincompletewithouttheother.Bothsexeshadtheirsecretsitesandobjectsand both had their ancestral figures (Hamilton 1981). Kaberry, who went to the southern KimberleyregionofWesternAustraliaportrayedarituallifeinwhichwomensharedwith men “the same supernatural sanction of the totemic ancestors and the Time Long Past” (Kaberry1939:273).Women’sceremonialknowledgewasimbeddedinfemalesocietyasit waspasseddownfrom mothertodaughter.Therewerebothfemalesecretand 17 InAboriginalkinshipsystem,achildcanhavemoreparentsthantwoandtheparenthoodismoredefinedby behaviourofattachmentandcarethanbyformalkinties.Forexample,twomenwhoconsiderthemselvesclose brothers,forexample,willrefertoeachother’schildrenas“ourdualchildren”(seeMyers1993orBerndt1983). 27 maleritualsthatempoweredthemtocastlovespellsontheirpartnersandtohavesomekind ofcontroloverthem.Thisagainstressestheequalityofrolesinsubsistencepracticesaswell asinritual.AccordingtoMyers(1991)whofocusedonmaleidentityamongPintupipeople, personhoodwasaboutsharedidentity,aboutthe‘culturalsubject’.Becauseritualemphasises sharedness,maleritualhasmorestatusasitisamorewidelysharedexperience.Nonethe less,Merlandepictedthatthepowerofwomen’sritualisinitssecrecy.Ithinkthatshemakes acrucialpointwhenshesaysthat:“Subjectiveunderstandingsofwomenaboutthemselves revealnogenderbasedsensewhatsoeverofpersonalinferioritytomen,butasenseofpriority ofcertainmaledomains,especiallyritual,andastrongsenseoftheproprietyofadheringto normsofgenderdifferentiatedbehaviour”(1988:59). Additionally, in her recent research of Warlpiri Aborigines in Central Australia, Dussart (2000) finds that women have become the main performers of public rituals. These last argumentshelpustoturnourattentionawayfromgenderseparatismandstrictcategoriesand focusonthepresentgenderedreality.MostIndigenousfemaleauthors(e.g.Behrendt2005, Lukashenko2002,orHuggins1998)assertthattherehasbeenaturnoveringenderrolessince colonization.The1897sAboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderActinQueenslandestablished controlofmovementsofAboriginesandTorresStraitIslanderstoenteremploymentcontracts on their behalf, to hold any funds they might have, and control their spending. This Act assigned Aborigines inferior status and regarded them as slave labour. By this their fundamental human rights were denied. Australian Indigenous people became powerless partners,oftenhiredforminimalwagesindomesticservices.Aboriginalwomenworkedas BlackservantsandnursesofWhitelandlords.Theirentiredayrevolvedaroundcateringfor those family needs and they were under almost total control of White men (see Huggins 1988). OftenayoungAboriginalwomanlivedalmostsimultaneouslywithherAboriginalhusbandand aWhitemanwho,inpractice,hadmorerightsoverherthanherhusbandbecauseofthegreat discrepancybetweentheminstatus.Thepatriarchalnatureofcontemporarysocietymeansthat Aboriginal women were subject to further specific oppressionbybothAboriginalandWhite men(Huggins1998:14). Having an example of White men dominating their women – and primarily Aboriginal women, Aboriginal men took on the behaviour and attitudes of their male colonizers.

28 Aboriginal and nonAboriginal men started to cooperate to establish the structures of within the newly colonized societies (see Behrendt 2005). It seems that White women might have been Black women’s allies. But truth is the opposite. Huggins (1993) asserts that despite the patriarchy in Australian society, Australia was not colonized on a sexuallybutonaraciallyimperialisticbase.Consequently,eventheoppressedWhitewomen tookontheroleofoppressorsinrelationtoBlackmenandBlackwomen. Regardingthecontemporaryfemalepositioninsubsistencepractices,someauthorspresume thatAboriginalwomeninurbansocietymovedfromthepositionofbreadwinnerstowelfare recipients owing to a lower contribution to food production. According to materialistic Marxist theory, women’s social status declined with the decline in their food production. Contrarily,otherrecentanthropologists(Collman1988,Babidge2002)arguethatwomenare usuallythemainbeneficiariesofgovernmentwelfare,theyaremoreeconomicallyactive,and that they are the heads of the household. They explore the effects of the mission era on women’sdomesticstabilityinthepresent.Barwicknotesthatthroughamissionsupported stability that was based in the status of childbearing (and rearing), women became the managers of the new domestic spheres, and hence the “agents of social change” (Barwick 1978:56). Moreover, patterns of bureaucratic support for women as the centre of family denigratedmen’srolesandexcludedthem,accordingtoCollman(1988).Atthesametime, women’s social networks and a women’s community occur due to the gender divisions betweenthetypesofemploymentandopportunitiesprovidedbypastoralists,whenAboriginal womenspentmuchmoretimeintownsthanmen.“Notonlyweretheyusedtolifeintown, theyhadbuiltsocialnetworksamongeachotherandspenttimevisitingeachothershomes, lookingaftereachothers’childrenandmakingthetownhome”(Babidge2000:101).Babidge assertsthatwomenalsogainedmoreexperienceindealingwithbureaucraciesthroughtheir dailyinteractionwiththewelfarestate.Thisalsomeantacertainleveloftheirfamilieslives (Babidge2000).

3.2 Aboriginal women’s empowerment Bell’sstatementaboutwomen’ssubordinationiscontested by arguments made by Heather GoodallandJackieHuggins(1992) intheirarticle Aboriginal women are everywhere .These Indigenousauthorsassertwomen’sstrongcontinualinvolvementinallspheresofAboriginal affairs.Asitisdocumentedtheyhavebeeninvolvedinlandrightsclaimstogetherwithmen.

29 They demanded the recognition of women’s knowledge of the land, as well as their ceremonialobligationsofsustainingtheirlandsandcommunities. 18 Aboriginalwomenhave also played important roles in struggles for better employment conditions for Aboriginal peopleandarecontinuallyinvolvedintheunionmovement“attemptingtolinkandsupport thegrowingnumberofAboriginesinpublicsectorjobs”(GoodallandHuggins1992:407). Theycontinuallyfightagainstanexcessivesocialcontrolovertheirfamilieswiththefamily socialservicesthefamiliesoftenrelyonduetotheunemployment.Thismakesthemmore vulnerabletonormativeinterventionsbygovernmentofficials. 19 Buttheconstantinteraction ofAboriginalclientsandwelfareagentscertainlycausesamutualinfluence.“Theformsof Aboriginal family now evident are produced and reproduced through historical and continuingrelationwiththestate“asstatedby an Australian anthropologist Sally Babidge (2000:17). Likewise, Collmann writes that: “One cannot completely understand White welfarepolicieswithoutreferencetotheactionsAboriginestakeinresponsetothewelfare apparatus itself” (1988:6). It is understandable that Aboriginal clients and welfare agents interactwithandaffecteachother.OneoftheobjectivesofKummaraistoeasethisinevitable interaction. One of the main field of Aboriginal women’s activism concerns health. This topic is importantforunderstandingtheworkingsofKummara,asitsactivitiesareoftenreferredto as‘healing.’TheAboriginalwomen’smovementisfocusedonredefinitionofpoorhealth as the effect of colonialism, racism and cultural intolerance, on enforcement of equal access to State services, and on its culturally appropriate delivery. Thus, Aboriginal womenhavebeenactiveinestablishingtheabovediscussedAboriginalhealthservicesin bothurbanandruralregions.ThestatisticsoflowAboriginalhealthandinfantmortalityas well as the rising death rate of young parents caused by povertylinked stress, alcohol abuse and resulting violence, and consequent removal of children from families to ‘mainstream’childcareinstitutionswerethemain triggersofAboriginalwomentaking responsibility into their own hands. Aboriginal women mobilized women from federal bureaucracy in consultation with women from Aboriginal communities across Australia which resulted in their greater involvement in Aboriginal affairs. Once involved in the policymakingareasofpublicservice,surroundedbyWhiteAustraliansandbureaucratic

18 FormoreaboutparticularcasesinNewSouthWalesandNorthernTerritoryseeHugginsandGoodall1992. 19 GoodallandHuggins(1992)stressthatthisperpetuatesthesamepatternswhichseparatedAboriginalchildren from their families in the past. Even today, a significant number of Aboriginal children are outside the community,infosterhomes,welfareorcorrectiveinstitutions. 30 structures, these women have to face racial and gender prejudices (see Goodall and Huggins 1992). Moreover, those institutions, usually run by White men, discriminated themintermsofgendertoo. Withinthebureaucracies,Aboriginalwomenhavefound themselves confronting White male hierarchiesofpower:suchstructuresseldomrecogniseanywomen’svoices,muchlessvoices belongingtoAboriginalwomen.TheirpeersareoverwhelminglyAnglomales,whosedutyin Aboriginalaffairsceaseseachdayat5:06p.m.,whereasforanAboriginalwomantheshiftis neverending(GoodallandHuggins1992:412). ThereisapressureonAboriginalwomeninthispositionfromboththegovernmentandthe Aboriginalcommunitybecauseoftheirpositionasmediators.GoodallandHuggins(1992) callthisa‘meatinthesandwich’position,whenwomenarejudgedbyherworkpeersandby other Indigenous people, usually with little recognition from either of them. Similarly, Tarrago(1990)stressesthefactthatthesewomencanonlyoperateunderbureaucraticterms of reference that limit the actual benefits of their work. Berndt (1983) asserts that any referencetothemainactors,peoplewithpowerandauthority,concernsmalesmightitbe lawyers, politicians or government officials. This reinforces the existing view of men dominatingpublicdomainandmightencourageevenAboriginalmentoexcludewomenfrom any sphere of public responsibility. Not all of them would disparage women but, “they contend that women should play a secondary role in matters of land and sacred sites: a helping,cooperativerole,butasubordinateone”(Berndt1983:14).Itseemsthatthisattitude hasstrengthenedrecently,anditispresumedbysomementhatthisisthewaythings‘usedto be’.ButitisactuallyamythencouragedbyWesterners,andoursociety’semphasisonmale dominationacrossalltheaspectsoflife(seeBerndt1983).Wecanconcludethattheproblem isnotinthewomen’sactivityitselfbutmoreinthe way their work is underestimated and theirvoicespubliclysilenced.Thepowerofmen’spoliticalrepresentationor social capital (seeBourdieu1984)ismuchstronger.Despitealltheseobstacles,Aboriginalwomenoperate inverysignificantpublicpositions,today.Intermsofchildcare,Aboriginalwomeninitiated the reconnecting of Stolen generations childrenwiththeirfamilies.Projectssuchas‘Link Up’ or the ‘Aboriginal Family History Project’ accessed material of genealogies and photographsofseveralthousandAboriginalpeoplelivinginsettlementsacrossAustraliafor the purpose of reconnecting children with their families (Goodall and Huggins 1992). Aboriginalwomenhavealsobeeninvolvedin designing programs for substance abuse by women and children such as Bennelong’s Heaven in New South Wales or Angatja in 31 PitjantjatjaraLands.Theyhavetodealwithwarning cases of violence against women and childrenwithintheirowncommunities,whichisusuallycausedbyalcoholabusetoo.There areculturalobstaclespreventingabusedAboriginalwomenandmenfromobtainingrelevant help.Lackoftrusttogovernmentagenciesandlawenforcement comes from the historical context of colonization, removal of children from their families, and from the deaths of Aboriginalpeopleincustody.Alsothefactthatwomendonotwanttoleavetheircommunity and extended family stops them from seeking hospitalization or asylum. The Aboriginal institution, Wirraway Women’s Housing Cooperative provides women in crisis with emergency shelter or more permanent accommodation in the town (Goodall and Huggins 1992). Last but not least, Aboriginal women have always been involved in maintaining knowledge by storytelling and narrating. There has been a boom of women’s biographies sincethe1970s,forinstanceJackieHuggins’Sister Girl (1998),ShirleySmith’s Mum Shirl (1981),RubyLangford’s Don’t Take Your Love to Town (1988)orSallyMorgan’s My Place . TherearealsoareasonablenumberofAboriginalwomen’sartistsasFionaDoyleorTracy Muffet.InIndigenouscontext,artisalsoawayof communicatingknowledge.Whilemen have their ways and objects of painting, women have their own (see Langton 2000 or Chaloupka1999). 3.3 Indigenous versus White women’s movement It is necessary to make some remarks on differences between the Aboriginal and White women’smovements.AgrowingpoliticalengagementofAboriginalpeoplesincethe1950s resultedinthe1967referendumandlandrightsinvestigationandformingbodieslikeFederal CouncilofAboriginesandTorresStraitIslanders(FCAATSI)andOnePeopleofAustralia League(OPAL).Therehasbeenakindofcooperationinbetweenthesetwosincethe1930s but feminists were reasonably influencedby their White standards, as well asby emerging anthropologicalwork.ItwasunderthesecircumstancesthatWhitefeministssimplyinvited Aboriginalwomentojointhem.Onereasonofitsrejectionwasthattheydidnotthinkabout theirinnerracialattitudestowardstheirAboriginalcounterparts.Moreimportantly,theWhite andIndigenouswomen’sgoalswereoftenfundamentallydifferent. Aboriginalwomeninsistedthatthewomen’sliberationmovementrecognisethattheconditions theyfacedweredifferent.Forexample,theWhitewomen’smovementarguedthatcomparedto men,womeninAustraliawerepoorlyeducatedandworkedinpoorlypaidjobs.YetAboriginal womenwerebettereducatedthanAboriginalmen,andwhentheywereabletobeemployed,

32 theyworkedinjobswithbetterstatusthanAboriginalmen.TheWhitewomen’smovementwas atthattimeconcernedwithsexualityandtherighttosay‘yes’–tobesexuallyactivewithout condemnation.ForAboriginalwomen,fightingderogatorysexualstereotypesandexploitation byWhitemen,theissuewasmoreoftentherighttosay‘no’.WhereWhitewomen’sdemands to control their fertility were related to contraception and abortion, Aboriginal women were subjecttounwantedsterilisationandcontinuedtostruggleagainstthelossoftheirchildrento interventionistwelfareagencies.WhileAboriginalwomeninsistedontheirrightstoaccessof fullmedicalservices,includinginformationaboutcontraception,theirdemandstocontroltheir ownfertilitywererelatedtotherighttohaveasmanychildrenastheywanted(Goodalland Huggins1992:402). Indigenous authors as Huggins (1998) or Behrendt (1993) insist that, contrary to White women,Aboriginalwomenhavetofacetwokindsofoppression–sexismandracism.They alsoputmuchbiggeremphasisonfamily,communityandchildcare.Furthermore,Aboriginal womendonothaveanyreasonto“like”Whitewomenmorethanmenastheywerecolonized bybothofthem.Consequently,thenotionofWhitefemalefeministsspeakingforAboriginal womenisdisputable.TherehasbeenaquarrelinbetweenDianeBell,aWhitefeministand anthropologist,andJackieHuggins(1991),Aboriginalactivistandhistorian.Thesubjectwas Bell’s article Speaking about rape is everyone’s business (1989). Here, Bell is reacting to severalcasesofintraracialrapethattookplaceintheNorthernTerritoryduringandafterthe 1980s.Hugginset al.expressesdoubtsaboutBell’srepresentationoftheIndigenouswomen’s voice.TheyfindBell’sviewasofaWhiteanthropologistinterferinginAboriginalwomen’s affairsandtakingcontroloverthem.Accordingtothem,Belltendstointerprettheirissuesin aWesternway–eitherpatriarchalorfeminist.TheirmainquestioningofDianeBell’sbook is:whospeaksforwhom,andwhohastherighttospeakforAboriginalwomen?Thathasa historicalexplanationcomingfromracialandsexualimperialism.Theyarenotlookingfor helpintermsofgenderorsexbutintermsofrace,drawingfromprevailingWhitedominance in the country. They want Aboriginal women to solve their own problems, not for White feministstointerfere. Mentioning another difference from White feminist claims, I can refer to what my respondentssaid.Marydepictedthefactthatfeministshavetocallforequalityastherehas neverbeenanybetweenmenandwomeninWhitesociety,whereasAboriginalwomenused tobeequaltomenandthuscancallforitsreestablishment.

33 Menandwomen,ofcoursetheyareseparatebutequalbecausetherearesuchthingslikemen’s andwomen’slawandwomen’sspirituality.Itdoesexist.Ifitwasarealpatriarchythenthe women’s law wouldn’t even exist. It wouldn’t even be there (Mary Graham, personal communication,25/08/06). Itisinteresting,though,thatafterexpressingmyinterestinAboriginalwomen’sbusiness,an Aboriginalelder,LillaWatson,suggestedtomereadingDianeBell’sbook The Daughters of , a study of Kaytej and Warlpiri people in Central Australia (1993). Was it becauseshefoundsomepartsinteresting,orperhapsshethoughtthatBell’srepresentation wouldbemoreunderstandableforme,beingaWhitewomantoo?Afewdayslater,Mary showedthisbooktome.SheadmittedthatDianeBellisafeministandthatshedoesnotagree witheverythingthatshesaysbutthatsomeofherpointsareinteresting.Then,IaskedLilla aboutherreferenceagain.Shesaidthatshewouldnotrejectanyone’sworkandthatIshould lookatbothBlackandWhiteperspectives(LillaWatson,personalcommunication,31/10/06). Inoneofherpapers,LillaWatsonexplicitlywrote: Thereisanimportantrolefordialogueandcooperationbetweenfeminismsintranationally,as wellasinternationally,andthatwomenofcolonizedsocietieshavevaluableinsightstooffer.I don’tthinkanddecolonizationcanbeseparated.Thedevelopmentofaninternational feminist movement and the process of decolonization – cultural, religious, political, and economic – while pursuing their own agendas, need to go hand in hand (International Feminisms:Towards2000,ConferenceMelbourne,1994). Nevertheless,theparticularIndigenouswoman,JackieHuggins,whoarguedwithDianeBell, wasverysurprisedwiththefactthatthosewomenencouragedme,asastudentfromoverseas, to read Diane Bell’s books. She said she was going to see them about it and make them recommendIndigenousauthorsinthefuture. ThisdiscourseonfeminismandreadingfeministliteratureonAboriginalissuesisveryfragile toconceptualiseaseverysinglewomanhadadifferentnotionofthediscourse.Allwecan elicithereisthattherehasbeenatleastsomemutualinfluenceandinspirationbetweenWhite and Indigenous women movements’ agenda and literature. After all, inspiration from the ‘oppositional’intellectualityisinherenttotheprocessofculturalrevitalisationasdiscussed throughoutthestudy.

34 3.4 Indigenous movement as a Black movement InregardstotheriseandsupportofAboriginalcultureandovertproclamationofIndigeneity since the 1970s, Sutton discusses a possible cultural influence by the American Black movement. Muchoftheideologicalpushforthisdevelopment,aswellasmuchofitsearlyrhetoricand techniquesofpublicdemonstrations,wastransformedfromtheBlackrightsmovementofthe USA and received additional pushes from the general recognition of the Fourth World componentinmodernstates,themulticulturalismphenomenon,andaheightenedawarenessof theminoritiesaswell(Sutton1988:258). Ihavetalkedtoseveral IndigenousAustralians on this topic. The younger ones especially talkedabouttheappropriationoftheAfroAmericanhiphopstyleofclothingortheshared protest against Western culture. Another important issue is certainly the movement for AmericanBlackwomen’srights.TheircredointheUSAinthe1970s:“Thehardestjobinthe USAisbeingaBlackwoman.”JackieHuggins,Aboriginalhistorianandactivist,andoneof my respondents, admitted that she might have been influenced by the Black women’s movementasshemadeseveralvisitstotheUSAatthattime.Nevertheless,sherejectedany widerinfluenceintheAboriginalwomen’scommunityingeneralandsaidthatiftherewere any,itwascertainlymutual.ShealsopointedoutthatAboriginalwomenaremoreaheadof certain issues as reconciliation (Jackie Huggins, personal communication, 04/10/06). However, there have certainly been similar voices for Aboriginal women’s business in Canada.Searchingfor“Aboriginalwomen’sbusiness”ontheInternetbringssomeCanadian websites 20 onthesametopic.ThiswouldmeanthatnotionsofIndigeneityhavebothlocaland globalinfluence,althoughcertainlynotineveryone’scase.Thisinfluenceis,asHugginssaid, hardtospecifyastheyarereciprocal.

2020 http://www.aincinac.gc.ca/ps/ecd/js/journ_e.html,15/08/06 35 IV. Kummara Family Care

ThischapterfocusesonKummara,anIndigenousFamilyCareCentreinWestEnd,Brisbane, where I conducted my fieldwork. After introducing the Kummara organisation and its objectives,Iwillpresentthedata,interviewsandfieldnotes,gatheredduringtheperiodfrom AugusttoDecember2006.Duringthistime,IwasengagedinKummaraasavolunteer.

Compared to mainstream organisations, Kummara operates with both Indigenous and Westernmodelsofsocialcaresinceithasbeenformedbybothofthem.Thesetwomodels comefromculturallydifferentapproachestohealthandwellbeingfromholisticapproach andcurativeapproach.WhiletheWesterncurativeapproachfocusesonphysicalsymptoms, Indigenousholisticapproachseescomplexissuesofwellbeingonphysical,social,emotional, and spiritual level. Thus, Western, or mainstream services provide care to individuals and focusonthesickperson,whereasaccordingtotheIndigenouscareproviders,allcommunity must be cured as it affects the individual. Lynn et al. (1998) outlined the principles of AboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderhelpingstyles.Itisaholistichelpthatishighlysystemic andorganicthatdoesnotputanemphasisonanyparticularmethod.Conversely,muchofthe Western social welfare is ‘instrumental’, consisting of a taskcentred and problem solving theory,andacrisisintervention.Theclashofthe‘curative’and‘holistic’approachisapparent intheinabilityofthemainstreamservicestomeetIndigenousneeds.HealthinanIndigenous context is the outcome of a complex interplay between the individual, his territory of conception and his spiritual integrity: body, land and spirit (Reid 1982). Assuring of this interplayisreferredtoasAboriginal“culturalsafety”byEckermann(1992).Asunderstood byKummara,onlyphysical,emotional,socialandspiritualwellbeingofamothercanassure thewellbeingofherfamilywhichisherresponsibility.Thus,Kummarafocusesespeciallyon childcareandonwomen’semotional,socialandspiritualhealth.Itisoneoftheorganisations that were funded due to inefficiency of the mainstream organisations. Before presenting Kummara, Iwillmake abriefintroductiontothe Indigenous way of looking after human wellbeing.TheNationalAboriginalandIslanderHealthOrganisation(NAIHO)statesthat: HealthtoAboriginalpeopleisamultidimensionalconceptthatembracesallaspectsoflivingand stressestheimportanceofsurvivalinharmonywiththeenvironment.Itisnotjustthephysical wellbeing of the individual but the social, emotional and cultural wellbeing of the whole community.Itisawholeoflifeviewanditalsoincludesthecyclicalconceptoflife(Eckermann 1992:174).

36 Itisundoubtedthatcolonizationbroughtmanystressorssuchaslanddisposal,introducingof diseases,badfood,alcohol,subordination,andslaverythatcontributedtothepoorAboriginal wellbeing. 21 Thesethingshaveaffectednotonlythephysical,butalsothespiritual,emotional andsocialwellbeingofAborigines.Aboriginalculturalandspiritualpracticeswererepressed. Takingchildrenaway fromtheirfamiliesresultedin generational effects including loss of parenting skills and social cohesion. A young Indigenous anthropologist Gregory Phillips, notes in his book Addictions and healing in Aboriginal country : “Thus, not only did colonizationproducesituationaltraumatisation,suchasseeingrelativesshotortakenaway, but it also produced cumulative trauma as a result of shame and selfhate, and intergenerationaltraumaasaresultofunresolvedandunaddressedgriefandloss”(2003:23). Thus,thefactorscontributingtothepoorhealthstatusofIndigenouspeopleshouldbeseen within the broad context of the ‘social determinants of health’. These include income, education, employment, stress, social networks and support, social exclusion, working and living conditions, gender and behavioural aspects. Cultural factors, such as traditions, attitudes,beliefs,andcustomshavesomeinfluencetoo.Together,thesesocialandcultural factors make the major impact on person’s behaviour. The rural communities face serious problemsofalcoholanddrugabuse,andofincreasingviolencetowardschildrensuchaschild sexual abuse. None the less, the urban communities have similar problems, supported by delinquency, and the rising aggressiveness within the family. Regarding family, domestic violence is one of the most calling issues today. But it is not only men who are the perpetrators,womenaretoo.Anotherhealthareatoconsiderispregnancyandchildbearing. BabieswithanIndigenousmotherweretwiceaslikely(13%ofbirths)tobelowbirthweight babiesasbabieswithanonIndigenousmother(6%).Indigenousmothersaremorelikelyto havetheirbabiesatyoungeragesthanothermothers.TheaverageageofIndigenousmothers whogavebirthin2003was25yearswhichissixyearsearliercomparedtotheaverageageof allmothers(http://www.healthinfonet.ecu.edu.au/,02/10/06). The health care provided by mainstream institutions is, unfortunately, not always fitting Aboriginal people’s needs. The welfare system today is highly institutionalised; therefore,

21 AboriginalpeopletodayexperiencethelowestsocialandeconomicstandardinAustralia.Theirhealthisthree timesworseandtheirlifeexpectancyis17yearsshorterthanofanaverageWhiteAustralian.Theleadingcause ofdeathofbothmenandwomenin2001wascardiovasculardisease,followedbyinjuries,cancerandnutritional andmetabolicproblems(http://www.healthinfonet.ecu.edu.au/,02/10/06). 37 medicalandsocialcareisseparatedfromissuesrelatedtopersonal,familyandcommunity care.Moreover,thereareparticularreasonswhyIndigenouspeoplewouldnotseekthecareas oftenastheyneeditwhichIrefertoinchapter3.2.ItisconfusingforAboriginalpeoplethat theyhavetowaitandmakeanappointmenttobeabletoseeadoctororasocialworker.Of course, the women I worked with were used to Western institutions and took all this for granted.Beingeducated,theyaremuchmoreawareofthewelfaresystem’sbenefitsthanthe peopleinremotecommunitiesoronthestreets.Thatiswhyeducationisconsideredthekey factorinimprovingthehealthandwellbeingofIndigenousAustralians,andthereisastrong needtoeducateIndigenouschildrenandfamilies. 22 Unfortunately,parentsdonotencourage theirchildrentogotoschoolsincetheywouldnotgotherethemselves.Indigenouschildren arenotpreparedtositatschoolandconcentrate. Thentherearethecallsforblackfellowstogetupandstartdoingthingsbutit’seasytosaythat whenyoudon’thavealotofhistoryhangingoveryou,whenyoucomefromastablehome,be itmiddleclass,lowerclassorupperclass.Ifyoucomefromstabilityandconsistency,you’re fine.Butalotofourmobhasinherentproblemswithalcohol,drugs,violence.Ouridentityis displacedtoonotknowingaspace,nothavingaplacewhereyoubelong,whereyoufeelyou belong(TheresaMace,personalcommunication,13/09/06). 4.1 Origins of Kummara

The 1970s’ program of building Indigenous communitybased organisations in family and child wellbeing followed three crucial principles: affordability, accessibility and appropriateness(Eckermann1992).Thesimilaritiesarethattheservicesarenotfocusedon providersbut on the needs of communities, their approach seems to be more flexible and supposedlylessbureaucratic,theirbasisliesinfamilyandcommunity,andtheycomefrom the importance of communal decisionmaking (Eckermann 1992). Kummara has grown in responsetoamajorneedforanIndigenouscommunityfocused,professionallycoordinated, integrated childcare family service (Chapman & Munro 2001). Kummara Association Inc. wasestablishedin1999byitscurrentCEO(ChiefExecutiveOfficer),SueFeatherstone,and thechairperson,LesleyAnnClements(bothIndigenouswomen).Accordingtotheirwords, 22 In2002,Indigenouspeopleaged18yearsoroverwhohadcompletedhigherlevelsofschooling,weremore likelytoreportbetterhealthandlesslikelytohaveadisabilityorlongtermhealthconditionthanthosewhohad completed lower levels of schooling. Between 1996 and 2004, Indigenous primary and secondary school enrolments and retention rates steadily increased. This trend was particularly evident for the retention rate to Year11fromYear7/8(upfrom47%to61%)(http://www.healthinfonet.ecu.edu.au/,02/10/06). 38 they started Kummara in the spirit of exclusively womenled family care. They took over KoolyangarraChildCareCentrethatusedtofunctionunderAboriginalIslanderChildCare AgencyinBrisbane(AICCA).ThedevelopmentofthefirstAboriginalChildCareAgencies, AICCAs,wasaresponsetocallsfromAboriginalandTorresStraitIslandercommunitiesfor theestablishmentofnationallegislationtoprotecttherightsoftheirchildren;forrecognition and funding of Indigenous community controlled child welfare organisations to assume responsibilityforthechildwelfare;andfortheestablishmentofanationalbodyfocusedon AboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderchildren.In1981,theSecretariatofNationalAboriginal IslanderChildCare(SNAICC),thenationalpeakbodyforAICCAswasformallyestablished, althoughwithoutthelevelofresourcesrequiredtodrivethedevelopmentofIndigenouschild welfareagenciesacrossallstatesandterritories.Alljurisdictionshaveadoptedtheprinciple ofAboriginalChildPlacementeitherinlegislationorpolicy.ThePrinciplehasthefollowing orderofpreferenceforplacingtheAboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderchildrenoutsidetheir family:

1.withthechild’sextendedfamily 2.withinthechild’sIndigenouscommunity 3. withotherIndigenouspeople

Allstakeholders,bothIndigenousandnonIndigenous,stressedtheimportanceofIndigenous servicesplayingakeyroleinworkingwithchildrenandfamilieswhichareinvolvedinthe child protection system. All AICCAs, however, also expressed a desire to have a greater capacitytodoworkwhichkeepschildrenandfamiliesoutofthewelfaresystem.Fromthe program’sinception,AboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderpeoplehavebeencallingforthe focusofchildwelfareinterventionstomovefromchildremovaltofamilysupport.However, while early intervention and prevention work with families at risk of entering the child protectionsystemwasincludedinAICCAs’program,itdidnotreflectwhattheAustralian governmentconsidereditsroleinsupportingAICCAs. ThemainobjectivesofAICCAsprogram,laterovertakenbyKummara,werethatAboriginal andTorresStraitIslanderchildrenandyoung:1)receivequalitycareinasafeandsupportive environmentinwhichtheirneedsaremet;2)areplacedinculturallyappropriateenvironment; 3) maintain and strengthen their relationship with their family, community and significant others; 4) experience continuity of care in their placement, health, education, recreation, culturalandspiritualidentity,familyandcommunitycontact;5)aresupportedtoreturnhome

39 ortomovetoalternativeplacements;6)andareassistedintheirtransitiontoindependence,in accordancewiththecaseplan. AICCAs were Indigenous nongovernmental organisations under Commonwealth initiative thatisprimarilytheresponsibilityoftheStates(i.e.childprotection).Thismaybeinpartwhy theyhavereceivedlittleornosupportfromtheAustralianGovernmentbeyondtheirhistorical fundingallocation.Atthesametime,underfundingbynearlyallStatesandTerritoriesuntil recently,hasequallycontributedtothelackofcapacitywithintheAICCAprogram.Thishas contributedtooverstretchedorganisationswhichhavestruggledtoremainviablefacingever increasingdemandsfortheirservicesfromIndigenouscommunitieswithburgeoningyoung populations.Ithasalsoledtoworkforceissuessuchasashortageofappropriatelytrainedand skilledIndigenousstaffacrosstheservicedeliveryspectrum,problemscompetingwiththe highersalarylevelsavailabletohighlyskilledIndigenousstaffforworkingingovernment departments,ahighstaffturnoverduetostressfromthelackofsupport,highcaseloads,and extremedisadvantageofcommunitiestheyworkwith.AICCAswereeventuallycloseddown. However,itmustbenotedthatanumberoflargerAICCAswithintheprogramhavebeen very successful. They demonstrate that Indigenous organisations can expand and grow in responsetotheneedsofcommunitiesbuttheyrequire additional resources to develop the appropriatesystemstomanagethemeffectively. Iwouldliketosayafewwordsaboutthecurrentleaderandoneoftheprincipalfoundersof Kummara,SueFeatherstone.Allthefollowingdatacomefromaninterviewcarriedouton September8,2007. * Sue’s story IthinkitmightbedesirabletointroduceashortbiographyofanIndigenouswomanwhohas had a very interesting life. The experience of being a Stolen generationschildhasshaped Sue’slifejourneyandcertainlycontributedtoherpresentactivisminIndigenousfamilycare. Sue came from a remote community Mulinjali (Bundjabeng) from Lagan River in RathdowneyinSouthernQueenslandbutherfamilydidnothaveanyevidenceofherdateof birth.Accordingtoherwords,shewasbornduringtheSecondWorldWar.Herfatherwasa Scotsman(thisareawasnotsettledbyWhitesettlersuntil1952)andhermotherIndigenous. While father was a Christian, mother was mainstreamed (in between Christianity and Indigenousreligion)inherfaith.LotsofdairyfarmbarnswerebuilthereandrunbyScots.

40 Family moved further up to Northern Queensland to Maalan to settle their farm. Sue was removed from her family with herbrother at age twelvebecause they were toopale. They were placed in several families and their father wouldcomeandgetthemback.Thenshe livedatamissionfurtherupinCentralQueensland.Shestartedtoworkatthestation.She saysthatitwasactuallyfunbutthatsherecallsinnutritiousfoodtheywerefedwith.Itwas mostlybreadandhoneywhichshebecameusedtosincethen.Theydidnothaveanyfruitand vegetableandchildren’shealthwaspoor.Shealsolivedinafosterhomeforsometime.She escapedfromthestationwhenshewasfourteenandwenttoMelbourne.Shehadhadavision Melbournewastheplaceshehadtogoto.Nothavinganything,shestayedonthestreets. Eventually,communistpartyfoundher,tookcareof her, and educated her. Therefore, she says,shecannotsayanythingagainstcommunists.Withtheirsupport,shestartedtoworkin theCommonwealthBank.Eventually,hercommunistattendantsfoundherparents.Theyhad beenremovedfromthecoastastheirlandwasusedasabuildingestate.Shepointsoutthat aftermeetingherparents;relationshipwithhermotherwasneverthesameagain.“Ifeltreally disconnected.Isaidallthewordsoflovebutdidn’t care.” When she started studying and workingshehadaconstantfeelingthatshemustbeperfect.Shewantedtoshowthatshewas Indigenous,educatedandthebestofall.Now,sherealisesthatshemissedclosercontactwith peopleandtheseparationfromhermothermadeheremotionally“shallow”.Sheadmitsthat she never had really deep feelings for any man andthatheremotionaltieswithmenwere problematic.Shewasveryindependent.Sue graduatedinsocialworkattheUniversityof Queenslandwhensheretired.Shehasthreechildren. * ItisclearthatSuewasseparatedfromherIndigenousrelatives,grewupinWesternsociety, andgotWesterneducationandanexperienceofworkinginacompletelymainstreamWestern financialinstitution.Whenshecameback,she,asanyother Stolen generations child,wasnot abletofullyrestoretherelationshipwithherfamily.Butshefelttheneedtohelpothersand todosomethingforthecommunity,especiallyforthemothersandchildren.Thus,shestarted to work in Aboriginal Islander Child Care Agency. Before the closure of AICCAs, Sue FeatherstoneandLesleyAnnClementsstartedKummara.Theirmottowasclear–womenare theonesresponsiblefortheirchildren.Conversely,thereusedtobesomethingasa“boys club” in AICCAs as noted by Sue (personal communication, 08/09/06). All this reveals around the Aboriginal perception of women’s health and child care as an exclusively women’sbusinessasemphasisedwithinKummara.

41 KummaraiscurrentlyoneofthreeIndigenousorganisationsinBrisbanethatfocusonchild care. It has taken over the AICCAs’ objectives and principles (such as Aboriginal Child Placement Principle) 23 and continues to secure the wellbeing of Indigenous children and families. Moreover, Kummara’s activities do not concern Indigenous people only since it provideshelptoanyoneinneed,andactsasamediatorwiththemainstreamservices.There arenonIndigenouschildreninKummara’sChildCareCentresuchasWhiteAustraliansor theSudanese.ThiscorrespondswithalltheKummara’sconceptorrelatingIndigenousand nonIndigenousmodelsofcareandhealing,andredressingtherelationshipsamongpeople. Forinstance,Kummaraorganisesfamilymeetingsthathelpinbreakingdownbarriers,such as common myths of Indigenous child raring, through the sharing of information and knowledgebetweenparentsandthedifferentcultures.Maintainingfamilyconnectionsincare andworkingtowardsfamilyrestorationisacorecomponentoftheworkofKummara.The organisationfocusesonprovidingpreventionandearlyinterventionprogramstostrengthen familiesandbuildtheirresilienceandsupportnetworks.Thisincludes:1)aculturalcentre where children and parents learn to do things together and relearn about their culture; 2) parentingskillsdevelopmentprograms,earlychildhoodlearningprogramssuchassupported playgroups,childcare,andpreschool,practicalassistance and advocacy to access specialist services (employment, drug and alcohol treatment, family violence); 3) building links to mainstreamservicestobuildpositivedevelopment(preschools,childandmaternalhealth);4) supportingeducationofchildrenandyoungpeople,encouragingfamiliestogettheirchildren to study, planning traditional way of learning (rites of passage for youth). Kummara intervenes in family breakdown issues and safeguards the children before the state intervention which usually removes them to White institutions. The staff cooperates with clientsthatcomefromthestreet,seekforthebestsolutionoftheirproblemsanddirectsthem to the relevant institutions of a social care – mainstream or Indigenous. Importantly, Kummara offers help to all clients in need and is not confined to Indigenous clients and organisations.ItcontributestobuildingrelationsbetweenWhiteagenciesandtheIndigenous communityintheinnercityareaandtobridgingthechasmbetweenIndigenouspeopleand welfareservicesresultingfromthehistory.Sinceitfunctionsanagentofchange,Kummara hastoengageinnegotiationsonchangingthepoliciesofchildsafetyundertheDepartmentof ChildSafety.Staffsarecalleduponbytherelevantdepartmentstoprovideculturaladvicein theircasemanagementprocesses.Theyplayastrongadvocacyroleincourtcases,ensuring 23 http://www.facs.gov.au/internet/facsinternet.nsf/vIA/indigenous/$File/AICCA_Report.pdf,15/08/06 42 that kinship placements are adequately assessed as a firstoptionwhereverpossible. Itstill includes the range of culturally appropriate placementoptions(inlinewiththeAboriginal ChildPlacementPrinciple)forthosechildrenwhoareunabletostaysafelywiththeirbirth parents, along with a good case planning and a strong emphasis on maintaining family connections and family reunification. Kummara is involved in recruiting, training, and supporting Indigenous foster carers. This role is crucial to states/territories’ capacity to implementtheAboriginalChildPlacementPrincipletowhichallarecommitted.Lastbutnot least,Kummara’scommitmentisinresearch,documentingandadvocatingforanintegrated approach to services. The prime objective is to develop an approach to management of Indigenousorganisationsandprogramswhicharetailoredtothespecificneeds,aspirations andcircumstancesofIndigenouschildren,womenandfamilieswhoareassociatedwithother KummaraservicesandotherorganisationswithwhichKummaraAssociationwillendeavour toestablishformallinksfortheintegrationofservices. Recently,Kummara’sbeenresearchingacommondefinitionofAboriginaltermsofreference andonparentingprograms.Thelocalcommunitiesintendtoexaminewomen’sissuesand participateinKummara’sresearchsincetherepersistinjusticeanddomesticviolenceagainst Aboriginal women and their children and women experience male’s dominance in many ways. Kummara puts a strong emphasis on women as protectors of their children and families;therefore,onhealthywomenashealersofacommunity.Gradually,Kummarahas startedtodealwitheverythingconcerningwomen’shealth.Apartfromhelpingchildrenand families, Kummara organises regular women’s meetings and conferences. The ‘BRIMS’ (meaning‘BuildingResilienceinMurriSisters’)women’smeetingsweredesignedtoconsult and collaborate on program content for the upcoming See Change Conference and the development of the Indigenous Parenting Program. The goal of women’s conferences organisedbyKummaraistobuildadiscourseonAboriginalwomen’swellbeing.TheJirun Conferencewasthefirstwomen’sconferencethattookpartinMay2006.Themainpartof my volunteering in Kummara (AugustNovember 2006) was the preparation of the See Change Conference (coming from ‘Murri women want ‘sea change’) that took place in October 2006. Murri women 24 from Brisbane and its surroundings engaged in a debate concerningempowermentofwomen,obtainingtheiroriginalLaw,ceremonies,responsibility fortheirfamiliesandmainlyforrecognitionoftheirvoices.Thiswomen’sforumwasthefirst steptoforthcomingregularmeetingsofMurriwomenthatwillintendtoredefineAboriginal 24 AboriginalpeoplefromQueenslandandNorthernNewSouthWalescallthemselvesMurri. 43 andTorresStraitIslanderstermsofreference.Iwilldiscusstheoutcomesoftheconference furtherinthischapter.AsIwasabletoobserve,mostofthetimeIspentinKummarawas dedicatedtoplanningandorganisingthewomen’sconferences.Italsoconcernedmostofthe phonecallsandemails.Ididnotseemanyclients physically while workinginKummara. Thisispartlyduetothecounsellingprovidedviaphonecalls.Furthermore,theorganisation’s recentfocusonwomen’sissuesandcommunityresearchwasintheair. Since the women in Kummara relate their work to community’s and women’s spiritual or culturalhealing,theypracticetheholisticmodelofhealing,basedonthestrengtheningofan individualwithinacommunityand,throughthis,thestrengtheningofthecommunity asa whole(referredtoascommunitybuilding).Theactualservicemightbesittingandtalkingand having a cup of tea, yarning (talking in a circle), or counselling but it is always about supportingtheindividualinfindinghisorherownway–referredtoas“walkingtogether”in Kummara.AsSuesaid,capacitybuildingisaboutliftingupand“sayingyoucandothat” (SueFeatherstone,personalcommunication,12/10/06). According to Theresa “healing is a journey that individuals need to go through before they find themselves itis a process” (Theresa Mace, personal communication, 05/10/06). Sue emphasised that Kummara is no longerprovidingacommunityservicethatitismoreaboutmediationand,primarily,aboutan efforttochangethesystem.Sheadmitsthatthisprocesscanbealongrunbuttheresultsare worthit: Lastyearweactuallygotfivefamiliestogetheragain.Theirchildrenwereoutatfostercareand theyarebackhomewithmumanddad.That’stheachievementjusttogetthembackofthe department.Itmightnotsoundashugenumbersbutthosefivefamiliesarebacktogetherand westillsupportthem.Iftheywantustowedon’tgoandturnup.Wewritethemaletteryou know“Howareyougoing?Doyouneedanything?Doyouneedchildrengetbacktoschool? Doyouneeduniforms?Andweputalotofchildrenbackintoschoolwithuniforms.It’sa prettypragmaticstuff.Theyactuallybuilttheirrelationshipswiththosefamiliesandthenthey aremorelikelytocomebackiftheyneedsomesupport.Soit’snotabouthugeamountof peoplecomingandgoingbecausewehavedoneallthat.Soit’snotasmuchaboutbusiness,itis moreaboutdroppinginandhavingacupofteaandabitofchange(SueFeatherstone,personal communication,12/10/06).

44 4.2 Organisational structure ThepersonnelofKummaraAssociation Incorporatedcurrentlyconsistoftenmembersthat comprise the committee (a chairperson, treasurer, secretary, and two community members) andthestaff(ChiefExecutiveOfficer,receptionist,consultant,earlyinterventionandfamily supportworker,andculturalstrengtheningandcommunitydevelopmentworker).Kummara fallsunderthecommunitybasedsocialworkdiscourse that emphasises welfare as a social activity,andparticipationinacommunitycontext.OneofKummara’smissionstatementsis to include family members and citizens of its services in program development, implementation and evaluation. Collaboration particularly with Aboriginal women in the WestEnddistrictisthecornerstoneofKummara’sorganisationalmissionstatement. Kummararunstwoseparatecentres.ThesearetheIndigenousFamilyCareCentreandChild Care Centre in Brisbane. In my thesis, I usually refer to the Family Care Centre where I volunteered. Another programs currently run by Koolyangarra are Indigenous Children’s Program,TjapitaTraining,andBadjigalYouth.

Koolyangarra Child Care Centre servestofamiliesandisinclusiveofallclientgroupsthat seek support and advocacy. Theproblems facedby families and children at Koolyangarra ChildcareCentrearemultipleandcomplex–someareautisticorwithlearningdisabilities. The children and their families have longterm needs for support, advice and assistance. Indigenous Children’s Program (ICP) implementsresearchofIndigenousparenting,crime prevention, parenting strategies and developing parental reflection skills. Tjapita Training involves various methods of staff training. Badjigal Youth involves specific programs for teenagersbutiscurrentlyinactiveduetoalackoffunding. The main pillar of Kummara is a multifunctional, strengthsbased and familycentred approachthatisconsistentwiththevaluesofQueenslandChildcareStrategicPlan20002005. Being multifunctional ,Kummarainvestigatesissuesfromallpossiblesides,startingwiththe situation in the family, social, cultural and medical circumstances. Members are provided withalternativesandnotsimplymadeto‘fitin’withwhatisavailable.Inthisway,members canbelinkedwithservicesthatarebothculturallyappropriateandselfdetermining.Ihada chancetoseeacaseofthemultifunctionalapproachwhenachildhadlearningdifficulties. While,accordingtowomeninKummara,mainstreamorganisationswouldsendthechildtoa specialschool,Kummarainvestigatedthedetails.Duetoamedicalcheck,itwasfoundthat

45 thechildhadhearingproblemsandthereforewasnotabletofollowtheclasswork.Itispartof Kummara’s family supporttocoordinatewitha speechandhearingprogramthatidentifies problemsthatneedtobeaddressedbeforegettingintotheeducationsystem.Also,theChild Care Centre is open to all children, and various needs. Some of them may be autistic or traumatised. The Indigenous strengths-based model has been designed for Kummara by cooperationofKummaramembersandpsychologists.Itwaspartlyinspiredbysimilarmodels usedintheUnitedStatesandCanada,butitmainlyrespondstoAustralianIndigenouscultural needs.Itinvolvesservicesthatfocusonthestrengthsandknowledgeoftheindividualand alsoworkonidentifyingthestrengthsandresourcesheldwithinthefamily,communityor culturewithwhichtheindividualissituated.Thisapproachacknowledgestheindividualas partofagreaterwholeandmovesthefocustothefamily,itssubsystemsanditsinteraction withthewholecommunity.Thestrengthsbasedmodelisculturallydrivenwhichmeansthat eachmemberoftheorganisationbringstheirownuniqueculturetoeachsituationandthe comprehensiveness of that culture actually drives the process. In this way the process becomes much more than just acknowledging difference, or being sensitive to race or ethnicity.Thefundamentalprinciplebehindempowermentandstrengthsbasedpracticeisto fosterclientselfdetermination(ChapmanandMunro2001). Family-centred model isbased onthatrelevantserviceshaveidentifiedfamilyandcommunityconnectionsoffundamental importance to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders people. Families provide the greatest sourceofsupportandstrengthforthem(AboriginalHealthCouncilofSouthAustralia1995). Through this service, they are supported in discovering and identifying their strengths, knowledgeandresourcesfromtheirownculturalbackgroundandtraditionalhistory.

AccordingtotheAboriginalHealthCouncil(1995inChapmanandMunro2001),strengths, knowledge and resources identified by Aborigines as holding families and community togetherwere: • PrideinAboriginalidentity–prideinbelongingtoAboriginalculture • Familyconnections–familiesprovidethegreatestsourceofsupportandstrength • Selfpride–pridetobeanAborigine • Humour–humourisastrength • Spirituality–spiritualityandreligionasasourceofstrengthwithinthecommunity • CaringandSharing–importanceoffamilyandcommunityconnections • Sharingstories–sharingstoriesofstrengthandresistancetoinjustices

46 • Theelderpeople–respectingtheirstrength(particularlyoftheoldwomen) • Aboriginalorganisations–theimportanceofAboriginalorganisations,workersandservices asasourceofstrength • Beingstrongforfamily–strengthderivedfromthedesiretobethereforthefamily • Naminginjustices–dealingwithgriefandlossbyidentifyingandnaminginjustices • Remembering–rememberingisanimportanthealingexperience • Aboriginalwaysandknowledge–recognisingAboriginalwaysofhealing TheCEOofKummara,SueFeatherstone,toldmethatthankstocorrespondingwelltothis social work model, Kummara actually fits in the mainstream system – despite being an Indigenousorganisation.SueprovedthisbycomparingtheHealthCouncil’sfindingswiththe findings of the Indigenous people. 25 These two did not differ to a big extent but it was importanttoshowthisfactbypresentingamodelthathasbeenapprovedbythemainstream systemfirstandthenimplementedinanIndigenousway(personalcommunication,12/10/06). By emphasising this, I would like to address the cultural obstacles faced by Indigenous organisations.WhiletheirmaingoalistoaddresstheAboriginalcommunity’sissuesandhelp Indigenouspeople,beingsponsoredmainlybythegovernment,theystillhavetomeetthe mainstream,governmentexpectations.Thus,theirfruitfulnessusuallyreflectstheextentthey managetofitinbetweenthosetwocategoriesofexpectations. In this way, Kummara has beenreasonablysuccessfulsofar.

4.3 Funding as Kummara’s obstacle

Kummara currently receives funding from the Department of Family and Community Services and Indigenous affairs (FACSIA) with Commonwealth support and additional moneythroughgrantsfromtheBrisbaneCityCouncil.Boththeseinstitutionsbelongtothe establishment. They allow Kummara to be flexible and, most of the times, recognise the culturaldifferencesamongIndigenousandnonIndigenouspeople.Kummarahasalsobeen responsibleforpersuadingtheBrisbaneCityCouncilthatculturaldifferenceshouldbeseen asanassetratherthananexceptiontothenorm,oraproblem.Toabigextent,Kummarais

25 SomeofthekeyfeaturesofculturallysensitiveapproacheshighlightedbyIndigenouspeople(Lynetal,1998) include: making connections with family and place, two way sharing and storytelling, sharing spirituality, informality,focussingonthewholepersonintheircontext,nondirectcirculartimerichprocess,talkingplain, listening,nonsharing,humour,tappingintothefamilysource,walkingthroughthesystemtogether,following theperson’sdirectionoftheprocess,usingmodified‘Whiteways’suchasclarification,checkingunderstanding, andusingaproblemsolvingprocess. 47 funded,andthereforecontrolledbytheAustraliangovernment,theDepartmentofChildCare. DuetotheoriginoffundingKummaraisverydependentonthepoliticalclimateandonhow muchfundingisallocatedtotheAboriginalservicesbythecurrentpoliticalpartyinpower. AsIcouldsee,Kummarahasnothadlargerdifficultiesinreceivingfundingtoimplement childcareprograms.However,itseemstobemuchharder to receive sufficient funding to support the women’s conferences and meetings that aimed to find a common ground in Aboriginalwomen’scommunityintermsofdefiningstatusandculturalidentityofAboriginal womenincontemporaryAustraliansociety.Igainedanimpressionthatbecausethemaingoal ofKummaraissupposedtoprovideafamilycare,sufficientfundingforitsotheractivities was easily attained – e.g. the realisation of the two main women’s conferences and the women’s gathering series. In one of our debates, Theresa Mace mentioned that the governmenthastorealisethatKummaraworksinthefieldoffamilyandchildcaretosupport it (personal communication, 16/11/06). According to the annual reports the Kummara’s annualbudgetisapproximatelyAU$50,000ayear.

Kummara faces the same problem as any other nongovernmental organisation. As I said before,itisboundtomeettheneedsofthecommunitybutconformtogovernmentaldemands atthesametime.Inthatway,itisconstantlybeingpushedfrombothsides.Kummarahasa very good reputation partly because of the socalled nonqualified order that implies an organisational functioning and financial management must be legitimate and transparent. Thereisonlyafewnongovernmentalorganisations(IndigenousornonIndigenous)witha policy of nonqualified order in Brisbane area. In general, there are prejudices towards Indigenous organisations because it is alleged by various people that “Indigenous communities cannot manage money” (Gerald Featherstone, personal communication, 26/10/06). One day, I noticed a big surprise in Kummara, when they got an email from SenatorAndrewBartlettfromDemocraticParty,whowantedtovisittheorganisation.Heis wellknownforhisprogramsofsocialsupportforIndigenouspeople.Hisvisitcouldpromote Kummara in public domain and bring it some new funding too. The most needed thing, though, is to be recognised by mainstream society and mainstream organisations. When I asked people within the West End district whether they knew Kummara, the answer was usually no. The only ones who were aware of it was a man from a bookshop in about a hundredmeters’distancefromKummara,andawomanfromacharityjustacrosstheroad. They would say just something like: “Oh yes, it is an organisation for all the Indigenous people...”Nevertheless, a source of Kummara’s critiquemightbeotherIndigenouspeople.

48 ThesuccessincooperationwiththegovernmentortheworkingwithnonIndigenousclients can imply that Kummara might not correspond to all community demands. It “might be criticised for not doing enough for the community” (Stephen Corporal, Student Support Service,AboriginalandTorresStraitIslanderStudiesUnitattheUniversityofQueensland, personal communication,25/10/06).Also,different Indigenous organisations do sometimes criticiseoneanother.AnAboriginalelderfromYuggeracommunityinBrisbanetoldmethat Kummara is a bit different from Indigenous organisations since the women, and Sue especially,havenotbeenintothelocalIndigenouscommunitymuchastheydonotallcome fromBrisbanearea.Thiscomesfromanunderstandingoftraditionalownersasthehistorical owners. Therefore, he identified Kummara as “a little bit madeup.” However, another commentonthistopicwas:“Thosearejustgeneralgossip.MostIndigenouspeoplewouldn’t let others down because of how many bad things have been written about Indigenous organisations.Itwouldsupporttheirbadname”(StephenCorporal,personalcommunication, 25/10/06).Blamingsomeonewhohasbeenseparatedfromhisorherfamilyandbroughtup byWesternpeoplefornotbeingenoughintotheIndigenouscommunity,canbeidentifiedas “blamingthevictim”ratherthananadequatecritique.Butthereisalsoapressureagainstthe concept of separate Indigenous services itself. As Theresa said (personal communication, 13/09/06),thereisstillatendencytomainstream Indigenous services. But the mainstream organisationsareconfinedintheirstructuresandanyunpunctualityiscountedasacomplete failurewhenitcomestoIndigenouspeople.Kummara’sfamilysupportandearlyintervention worker, Theresa, emphasised how different the Indigenousandmainstreamapproachescan be:“Themainstreamhastodealwitheverybodysoitisthe“onesizefitsallmodel”,whereas Indigenousandalltheothercultureshavetheirownwaysandprotocolsofworkingwiththe community”(TheresaMace,personalcommunication,13/09/06). AlthoughtheytrytoputIndigenousworkersintopositionsandtrytomakeitIndigenous friendly,itneverwillbeifit’sincorporatedintoamainstreamservice.Itcan'tbebecause mainstreamserviceshavetargetstomeet,youknow,timeframestoworkwithinandallthose sortsofthings.Theywillneverbeabletoeffectivelyassistthefamiliesthatreallyneedit.That wouldbefinewiththefamiliesthathavethestrengthsandmotivationtoaccessandgothrough allthehoopsbuttherearealotouttherethatdon’tandtheyaretheonesthatendupinchild protectionorthejusticesystem.Whenitcomesdowntosupportingfamilies,protectingchildren andallthosesortsofthings,theservicescannotbemainstreamed,theyhavetostayseparate (TheresaMace,personalcommunication,13/09/06).

49 4.4 View of the women in Kummara Aboriginal people around Australia differ locally in a physical, social and cultural way. Therefore,wehavetoidentifythemwiththeirorigin.ThisstudyconcernsAboriginalwomen from Queensland, with an emphasis on women from Brisbane area. Brisbane seems to be moreegalitarianinthewaythatevenamongAboriginalpeople,differencesin genderand socialstatusarenotsoapparent.Therefore,youngwomencangainthesamesocialstatus, incomeorprofessionallevelwhich,inotherplaces,wouldnotbeconceivable. 26 Indigenous peopleformabout1.2%ofBrisbanepopulationwhileitis2.2%throughoutAustralia.The prevailingcommunitiesinBrisbaneareYuggeraandTurrbal.Ishouldsaythatthewomen involved in Kummara do not belong to them since they come from different clan groups throughout Australia. Brisbane has several women’s organisations but only Kummara is currentlyinvolvedinwomen’sbusinessthatconcernswomen’scultural healing.Thereisa women’s community in Musgrave Park that has recently started women’s gatherings and wantstobringwomentogethertodoceremonies,traditionalcooking,weavingetcetera.The headofKummara,Sue,complainedaboutthis: See,thereisKummarathathasbeendoingwomen’sbusinessfortenyears.Nowtheystarta new women’s group there and we will end up with ten different women’s groups around Brisbanethatwillnotknowabouteachother.Whydon’tthosewomenconnecttogether?They arestillrepeatingthesamethingagainandagain(SueFeatherstone,personalcommunication, 16/11/06). Womeninvolvedinreconnectingtotheirculturalrole may have different views and ideas aboutit.Sometimes,theystaywithintheirowncommunity,anddonotseekotherwomen’s projects that would make things easier for both communities, and from an Aboriginal perspectivewouldbeverynaturalwayofwomen’scooperationandsharingresponsibilities forachildasdescribedbytheoristsofthetraditionalcommunitylife(seeBerndts1983or Reid 1982). Therefore, it is necessary to see Kummara as only one way of understanding women’spositionandthediscoursearoundit. 26 In traditional societies, the status of young women was far behind young men. Kolig (1981) discusses contemporaryAboriginalsocietiesasbeingmuchmoreegalitarian,e.g.intermsofreligiousparticipation. 50 4.4.1 Women and men and Aboriginal terms of reference

AboriginaltermsofreferencearewaysinwhichAboriginalpeoplerefertoandreconstitute theirculturewithinthemainstreamsociety.Itconcernsissuesimportantforandarticulatedby Aboriginalpeople.Itinvolvesusingtheirwaysofunderstandingthatmightbedifferentto White people’s terms of reference. An example is Aboriginal Law. It’s meaning and understanding by Aboriginal people differs from the Western understanding of law. AboriginalLawistranslatedas‘Dreaming,’whichdoesnotcorrespondtoAboriginalword ‘Jukurrpa’,expressing‘pattern’,‘law’,‘place’,and‘relation’.Similarly,AboriginalLawdoes notconcernlawinourtermsofunderstandingonly.Itinvolvesallaspectsofliving,clanlaw, personallaw,rituallaw,andthewaysoftreatingthenatureandotherpeople,andsoforth. Myers (1993:36) defines it as a “mythologically constituted knowledge and ritual.” It is manifested in the complex of myth, ritual, observance of the kinship code, rules of reciprocity,andreligiousobligations(Kolig1981).Thedifferenceintranslationoftheword iscausedbytheinsufficiencyofEnglishvocabulary to interpret Aboriginal languages and ways of thinking. 27 Mary and Lilla emphasised that colonization caused confusion in AboriginalamongWhitetermsofreferenceandtheAboriginaloneswereaffected. Aboriginaltermsofreferencearebasedoneverythingcomingoutofthislandandoutofour experienceoflivingonitforthousandsofyears.Theyarebasedon:ourspirituality,ourchild rearing practices, men’s business, women’s business, Aboriginal Law, all coming from this land.Aboriginaltermsofreferenceareineverything.Howyoutalktopeople,howyouconduct yourselfintheland,howyouconductyourselftowardsotherpeople.Butthroughthecolonial processithascreatedalotofconfusion.Ourpeoplehavenotbeenabletoreallyconsolidate withinthemselveswhatAboriginaltermsofreferenceare.Andthat’swhyWhitepeoplewere abletoimposetheirWhitetermsofreferenceonus(LillaWatson,personalcommunication, 31/10/06). ToJackieHuggins,Aboriginaltermsofreferenceare:“beingstrongandproudandhaving your identity as a woman, mother, and aunt generally being a good person” (personal communication, 8/11/06). In Kummara, women used Aboriginal terms of reference when talkingaboutwomen’sissuesandmaintainingwomen’srole.Theyagreedthatthetimehas cometoredefinethoseterms,toactuallyexpresswhatAboriginalwomenaresupposedto refer to today. When addressing the issues of finding a new common ground, they would 27 AsweknowfromSaussure’s(1916)theory,languagesaredeterminedbywaysofthinking. 51 commonly use expressions such as ‘reconstructing’, ‘rediscovering’, ‘’, ‘rebuilding’, ‘reenforcing’, ‘rejuvenating’, ‘regenerating’ or ‘revisiting’ and ‘taking back control’. All these expressions correspond to what the process of cultural revitalisation or innovation is about – about reestablishing traditions. Kummara has a regular women’s meeting (‘BRIMS’ – meaning Building Resilience In Murri Sisters) for its members and womenfromothercommunityorganisationsaroundBrisbane.Theycallit“chatandchew”as itusuallyconsistsofchattingonwhatishappeninginthecommunityoveracollectivelunch. Iwenttotwoofthesemeetings.Theatmospherewasusuallyveryrelaxedandfriendly.There werealwayssomecommentsonthecurrentissuesatworkorontheforthcomingconference butiftherewasadiscussiononwomen’sissues,itwasveryrich.Atoneofthesemeetings, LillaWatson,averyeducatedMurriwoman,madeaveryimportantremarkondefiningthe women’spositiontoday:“ItisnotaboutreinventingbutaboutreconstructinghowAboriginal culturewasconstructed”(women’smeeting,25/08/06).MaryGrahamperfectedherwordsby saying that: “It must be done not just in an intellectual but in a spiritual way as well” (women’smeeting,25/08/06).Atthatmoment,Iwastryingtoengageinadiscussiononhow this‘new’women’sroleisrelevanttoitspastparadigmandhowitwouldbeinfluencedby the present. They commonly refused a ‘comeback’ of past and preferred ‘regeneration’ of women’sroles.OneofthetwofoundersofKummara,LesleyAnnClements,said:“It’sjust toreinforcewhatwe’vehadandwhatwe’vepractised.Andit’sjustbringingitbacktothe coursesothatitisbeingnoticed.Justasfashiongoesaroundinacirclesoourcultureispart ofus,itcomeswithus.Wejusthavetorejuvenateit”(women’smeeting,25/08/06).When interviewing Mary, I posed her the same question. She openly agreed that the present women’spositionandpresenttraditionsmustbemodernised.Ididnothesitatetointroduce thediscussionaboutculturalinventiontoherandshedidnotseemtorefuseitcompletely. Mostofthepeoplewouldsaythatwewanttogobacktothepast,tobringsomeoldtraditions. But it cannot be completely like that. If we could identify with the old tradition and fully Westernculture,neitherofthemwouldbetruetoday. But what is this authenticity everyone talksabout?Isitlivinginthebush,throwinga?(MaryGraham,12/10/06) But women’s definitions of terms of reference differedascanbeseenfromthediscussion belowwhichIrecordedatawomen’smeetingon25/08/06.Here,Idonotnametwoofthe speakersasIhavenotofficiallyaskedfortheirapproval.

52 SpeakerOne:Ifyoulookatthesexualabuseinourcommunity...Imeanwehadarainceremony wherewomenwouldusebodypaintingsandknewwhatacomfortabletouchwasandtheyknew whatwasappropriateandwhatwasn’t.Therewasawholeknowledgebasedonthat,intermsof reference to sexual abuse. And they used to be very superstitious so they would do basket weavingandthatkindofstuffwhentheywoulddriveawaytheevilspirits.” Lila: It’s not superstitious. Superstitious is a convenient word that White people would introduceintoourvocabulary.AndIthinkthatwehavetobecarefulaboutusingwordslikethis becausesometimesitcanbeinregardstotheLaw.Andthat’sthesortofthingwearetalking aboutwhenwearetalkingaboutwhatAboriginaltermsofreferenceare.Andwehavetorealise thatwecan’texpecttoomuchofourselvesbecauseitisaprocess.Andthisisaverysmall beginningofit.Wecanalsobecompletelyofftrack. SpeakerOne:...ithastoberepresentative,agreedbydifferentwomen. Mary:Yes,becauseAboriginalpeopleareverydifferent. Lilla:Wehavetobeawareofwhatwearetryingto...notreinventbut... Mary:Reclaim. Lilla:ReclaimwhatAboriginaltermsofreferenceare. Mary:Becauseitcan’tbestuckinthepast. SpeakerTwo:Sowehavetokeepthepastinthemindbuttomoveforward. Lilla:Becauseweneverlocateitinthehistory,weneverlocateitinindividualssuchasWhite peoplebutwelocateitintheland.Wheneverwewalkonlandallourhistoryispresent.Itis withus. SpeakerOne:Andit’sstillaccessible. Lilla:Absolutely. SpeakerTwo:That’swhywehavetomakepeopleconsciousofhowitcanbeaccessiblefor them.Bringittotheirconsciousness. Mary:Ibelievethatithastobedonenotonlyintellectuallybutitalsohastobeexpressedand demonstratedinawayofritualceremony.Because,tome,thatisnotonlyasacralisingofa notion,aquality,andofanaction,youknow.Itactuallyhassomethingtodowithourpeople, withthewaywebehaveandconduct.Everythingiskindofslow,itinvolvescarefulthinking. Sue:That’swhatwemissedinKummaraalthoughitwasaprescriptivework.Wesortofmissed theopportunitytoeducatetheminthewayofslowingdown,todotheceremoniesandtogetto knoweachotherasacommunity.Anditwasactuallyquiteexhausting. Aswecansee,thewomenhadveryinconsistentnotionsoftermsofreference.Theprocessof discussionis,however,thecornerstoneoffindingacommongroundaccordingtoAboriginal ethicsofcommunitydecisionmaking.Atthewomen’sconference,womenfromKummara engagedindiscussionwiththeotherwomenattending,theyencouragedthemtodefinewhat

53 theyunderstoodbyAboriginaltermsofreference.Inthiscontext,otherAboriginalwomen addressed issues as necessity of maintaining creativity, strength and resilience, respect to elders’knowledge,livinginharmonywiththenature, environmental andfamily nurturing, culturalhealingandreconnecting,leadershipinthefamilyandinthecommunity,livinginthe presentbutcomparingitwiththepasttoo,sharingwitheverybody,honour,beliefinabetter future,healingfromtheirpast,havingahealthylifestyle,respectingthemselves,lookingat feminism from a distance, and so forth ( See Change conference, 18/10/06). Women were excitedabouttheideaofmakinganAboriginalwomen’swebsiteandpossiblyaforumthat wouldbeaccessibleforeveryonearoundtheworld.Someofthembroughtinideascoming fromcompletelydifferentculturalbackgrounds.OnewomanwassuggestingaMother’sday festival and a celebration of the Earth as mother. She referred to this as a kind of cultural inspirationcomingfrom‘NewAge’.Inrelationtothisandothersuggestedwomen’sactivities andceremonies,sheexplicitlysaid:“WhydotheycallitNewAgewhenitisactuallytheold age?”TwowomenstartedsuggestingestablishingofacelebrationoftheMotherEarth’sday. AnotherwomanstartedtalkingaboutherIrishfriendwhoproclaimsherCelticorigin.She saidshefoundbigsimilaritiesinCelticandAboriginaltraditions.WhenIaskedherwhatshe meant,shegaveanexampleofCelticbodypainting,whichisverysimilartotheAboriginal one( See Change conference,18/10/06). IthinkthisdiscourseonAboriginalculture,asitisunderstoodtoday,intensivelyaddresses the necessity of change, and of inspiration by surrounding mainstream culture. There are many perspectives of understanding Aboriginal culture as its content is fragile and still emerging. However, as seen from the data here, there are efforts to define and grasp it nowadays. 4.4.2 Men’s and women’s business Whenaskedaboutmen’sandwomen’sbusiness,Kummarawomentalkedabouttwoseparate kinds of gender roles. Their understanding corresponds to the traditional Aboriginal conceptionofthedifferentmaleandfemaleinvolvementindailyactivitiesfromsubsistence practicestoritual.ThatisexactlywhatwomeninKummarademand,thereconnectiontotheir domain of women’s business, taking their traditional roles on again. As is clear from the interviews,theywouldagreethatmenshouldrespectwomen’sbusiness,notinterveneintheir affairs,andviceversa–asitusedtobeuntilcolonization.Thisoftenmentionedrespecttothe

54 separatebusinessisillustratedbymytalkwithDulcie(personalcommunication,05/10/06). WehadthefollowingdiscussionofinitiationritesorganizedbyMusgraveParkCommunity inBrisbane: Dulcie:Iknow,theytakethemsomewhereouttoacampforamonth.That’sdifferentfrom whatwewant.Wewantalongprocess...ofbecominganadultandgettingtheknowledgeas Marydescribesit(myremark:mentionedinchapter5.4.5). Me:Anddoyouknowwhatdotheseboysdoatthatcamp? Dulcie: I don’t know, that’s not my business; that’s male business. We shouldn’t even care aboutit,youknow? Thisisatypicalexampleofhowrolesandknowledgeor‘business’aredividedbetweenthe sexes in Aboriginal community. Women know what they ‘should not care about and talk about’.Anotherday,IwasshowingDulciesomepicturesfromMoretonIslandwhereIspent myweekend.ShestartedtalkingaboutStradbrokeIslandandabouttwolakesthere–Blue and Brown Lake each permitted only for one of thesexesthatis,inIndigenouscontext, naturalastherearemaleandfemaledomainsinworkandritualsstrictlyobserved. Intermsofwomen’sstrengthening,womeninKummarausuallyemphasisedthefactthatthey donotwanttodisempowermenortodealwithoutthem.Thewomenwouldoftensay:“We runthecountry–bothmenandwomen!”Aswillbeclearfromthequotationbelow,what theycallforistheirownvoiceinthecommunity,theirrolesandtheirownbusinessasitused tobeinthetraditionalsocietywhereeverything.Theythinkthattheirrolesandbusinessare clearlydefinedandrecognisedasitwasbeforecolonization.ArrivalofWhitepeoplebrought intheconceptofpatriarchyandmaledominanceoverwomen.Thewomenassertthatmales areoftenthespokesmeninthepresentAboriginalsocietywhichrelatestogenderinequality. Allofthiscorrespondstotheanthropologicalfindingspresentedinchapterthree. Whilemenareoftenthespokesmenandspeakonbehalfofwomen,wewantwomentospeak forthemselves.ThemajorityoftheAustraliangovernment is male dominated, there are not enough women in politics, there are not enough women making decisions that form policy support.Weneedtotakebackourplaceinsociety.Wewanttogetwomeninthepositionof makingdecisionsonbehalfofAboriginalfamiliesandchildren.Youknow,I’vebeentalkingto alotofwomenandtheyallsaythesamething,“it’sthewomen’stimetohaveago”(Dulcie Bronsch,personalcommunication,10/08/06).

55 Thementionedwishto‘seeachange’orthatitis‘timeforchange’wasoftenexpressedby other women in Kummara. Regarding the recent cases of infant rape in Aboriginal communitiesintheNorthernTerritory,Dulciementionedthefactthat,sometimes,insteadof solvingtheproblembytakingtheperpetratorsaway,thechildrenaretakenawaybysocial workers. Additionally, these are often male policemen. This is a reminder of the constant interventionofthestateofficersintoAboriginalfamilies.Suementionedthatthewomen’s callisabouttakingbackpowerwithoutdisempoweringothers:“Itisnotaboutshuttingothers out but about making sure that we are included in the decisionmaking process” (Sue Featherstone,08/09/06). WhenwomeninKummaratalkedaboutrightsforseparatewomen’sbusiness,especiallyin termsofceremoniallifeandsituationsrequiringseparationofthesexes,itwasreferredtoas women’s law. According to Mary, “It is anything to do with women’s business, women’s sexuality, physicality, your beliefs, and your feelings – only women can deal with those things” (personal communication, 25/08/06). In the present, it would include separate institutions like hospitals, schools or churches. It would also include one’s intimacy. For example,awoman’sbodyisexclusivelythewoman’sthing,andonlyshecanlookafterit. Therefore, gynaecologists could have been only female. Mary admitted that defining women’slawtodayisveryproblematicasitissupposedtobesomethinginherentandself evident,somethingwithoutaneedofexplanation.Maryevenusedtheexampleoftheself evidenceoftheChristianTenCommandments.Itwouldhavetobesomethingpeopleknow they have to do and something they cannot be punished for. Therefore, the term ‘law’ is slightlydisputableasMarymentioned.Again,thisisaproblemofthecompletelydifferent culturesandwaysofthinkingthatformedthevocabularyofthedifferentlanguages–English andAboriginalones.Beinginherentandselfevident,AboriginalLawissomethingpresentin people’sdemeanour,inwaysofsocialinteraction.Marysays:“WebelievethatourLawis inside us, that all the emotions we have are a kind of inner natural force” (personal communication, 12/10/06). However, the present disorder and violence in Aboriginal communitiesisaveryresultoftheinterferenceofsexesintotheseparatespheresofbusiness. A rather sceptical view is, again, represented by Theresa. When asked about women’s businessshesaid,“It’sallgone”(13/09/06).

56 Thewaysinwhichitisproblematictomakethis‘Law’visibleandcleartoyoungpeople,to make Aboriginal people’s values of ethics and generosity inherent to them, automatic and lived out, were discussed at the women’s conference. These examples show us again that defining women’s issues like contemporary women’s roles and the cultural wellbeing of womenarebeingdiscussedintensivelywithinthecommunity.Insomeways,theycorrespond totheaimsexpressedbythefeministmovement,inothersnot.Itisaquestionwhetherornot wecanmakeanycleardistinctionbetweenthetwo. 4.4.3 Women and family care

TheKummarawomenclaimthatthemainresponsibilityinchildcarebelongstomothers and that after the considerable change family and kinship models have undergone as a result of two hundred years of colonization, they want to regain this responsibility. Regardingthisclaim,Kummarawomenwouldoftentalkaboutthe‘unhealthy’modelin the present society with cases of violence, sexual abuse, alcoholism, suicide, family disintegration,communitydisruption,intergenerationaldislocation,lossoflanguage,and erosion of culture. The consequences of the colonial history were breakdowns of traditionalparentalchildrearingandeducationalpractices,andsocialinstabilityleadingto highratesofsuicide.Anotheraspectofthisproblemisalackofsocalled‘rolemodels’ (meaningtheexamplefoundinadultswhichcanbeelders,leadersorjusttheirparents)in Aboriginal society. This is not only caused by a lack of elderly people in the present Aboriginalsocietybutalsobythewrongexamplepassedonbyparents. Our kids are feral;they’re sniffing petrol,and drinking alcohol because they’ve got no role modelseither.Theylackthatmaleandfemaleteachers,andthat’sthestuffwewanttobring backandevenpractice(DulcieBronsch,personalcommunication,10/08/06). Here, Dulcie is referring to a project on the Rites of Passage described in the following chapter.Also,takingAboriginalchildrenoutoftheirfamiliesfromthe1900sto1950s(the Stolen generations children)stronglycontributedtothedeconstructionofthefamilytiesand functioning.Sue,beingaStolen generations child,describedtomeherpersonalexperience onanemotionallevel: You just don’t have the actions which make real relationships because you don’t have real attachment. And you don’t realise it. You become a singular unit. You know if you love

57 somebodyyougiveoffyourself.Noneofmysiblingshadrealemotionaldepth.Andyoucan observeitasyougetolder.Youdon’ttrustalivingsoul.Anditisintergenerationaltrauma.My children are great, they are wonderful but they also don’t let anybody get too close (Sue Featherstone,personalcommunication,08/09/06). ThemaingoalofKummarafamilycareistorebalancetheequalitybetweenmenandwomen within the family and to hand over the responsibility for children on to their mothers (or womeningeneral)again.AndwealreadyknowthatisthereasonwhyKummarawasfounded – after the separation from AICCA in Brisbane which was male and female child care organisation.AnimportantstepforKummaraistopresenthealthyparentalmodelsandto passthemontheirclients.AfinalremarkontheAboriginalnotionofchildcareisthatitisa source of women’s pride, honour, and, perhaps, of their own wellbeing. It is a woman’s obligationtostaywithinafamily,tonurtureandeducateherchildren.Onthecontrary,the imageofawomanstayingathomeandwatchingoverherchildrenhasgainedsomenegative connotationswithintheWesternsociety.LillaWatsonsaidthatitwastheWhitewomen’s movementthatbroughtinthisideaofasubordinatewomen’spositioninahousehold.Jackie Hugginsadded:“ItistheProtestantworkethic,yougooutandyouwork.Andcaringfor childrenissecondarytothat.Andit’snot.Youhavetogivechildrenthefirstpart.Imean,if youcancombinethat,it’sgreat”(JackieHuggins,personalcommunication,08/11/06). 4.4.4 Rites of Passage

InremotepartsofAustralia,therearestillcommunitiespracticinginitiationofyoungboys intoindependentadults.Theinitiationincludesceremonies,ritualcircumcision,andatimeof separationofyoungboysfromtheircommunity.AsMyers(1993:41)states,“itisafterthe initiationthatayoungmancanbegintolearnandpracticetheknowledgethatcomestohim from senior men, who also establish their senior identity through having “held” a junior.” Again,heremarksonhowperson’sidentityiscontinuallysociallyconstructed.WhenMyers writes about “processes of social reproduction,” he means long periods of individual transition.Fromhisviewthen,afullmaleadultidentityisnotestablishedatinitiationbut during the process of learning and receiving the knowledge of older men. This again emphasisestheimportanceofhavingafamilyandacommunity–somethingthathasbeen uprootedinAboriginalsocieties.

58 However, it has been noted that the effects of initiation can be ambiguous. It occurs that initiatedboysfeelfartooproudofthemselves,whichsometimesmakethemactviolently.As notedby anAboriginalman(personalcommunication,05/10/06),atraditionalownerfrom StradbrokeIsland,theysometimesactasmachos,andevenstartabusingwomen.Anegative factoristhatboysdonothavethetraditionalexampleinelders.Therefore,thereisaneedin bothurbanandruralcommunitiestofindproperwaysofinitiatingyoungpeople–boysand girls.Kummara’smemberMaryGrahamhasdesignedaRites of Passage Program for Urban Youth that provides types of ‘resilience’ activities for Aboriginal young people. The main body of it consists of youth’s initiation from childhood to adulthood. According to my interviews,womeninKummarabelievedthatthiseducationalactivitywouldcontributetothe moral healing of Aboriginal youth. There is also another community in Brisbane that has startedaprogramofinitiatingyoungboys,butboysonly.Irefertothisinchapter4.4.2.As mentioned earlier, children and young people have a place of special importance in Aboriginal society. Therefore, the cultural healing concerns them (and their mothers) primarilysince“theyarethefutureandwehavetotrytobringaboutabetterfutureforthem” (MaryGraham,25/08/06). AccordingtoMary,thiswasmeanttobeonlyapreliminarymodeloftheprogram,sincethe mainideaswereexpectedtoappearatSee Change conference.“That’stheproperAboriginal wayofconsensus.Iwouldneversaythisiswhatpeoplecouldorshoulddo.That’savery Whitethingtodo”(MaryGraham,personalcommunication,25/08/06).Mary’sdraftdraws herownexperienceofworkingwithfamilies,childrenandyoungpeopleinAboriginaland IslanderChildCareAgency (AICCA)in Brisbaneduringthe1980s.Marywasinspiredby work of collective of authors Crossroads, the Quest for Contemporary Rites of Passage (1996)whichisacollectionoffiftywritingsonaspectsofritesofpassageindifferentcultures around the world, examining myth, history, and contemporary rites of passage. It also presentsnewprogramsineducationdesignedbydevotedelderstoinstructandhelptobridge the“culturallag.” 28 Anotherbookshedrewfromwas Rites of Passage. Aboriginal Youth, Crime and Justice (1996),writtenbyAustraliansociologistsandcommunity workers. This bookstressestheimportanceofprimaryandsecondaryintervention.Theprimaryintervention strategymustaddresstheunderlyingcausesofsocialdisadvantageexperiencedinthedaily livesofAboriginalyouthandthesecondaryonemustfocusonthoseAboriginalyouthonthe 28 “Culturallag”isatermintroducedbyWilliamF.Ogburn(1964).Thetermreferstothenotionthatsocietyis unabletokeepupwiththerapidpaceoftechnologicalchange,andthatsocialproblemsandconflictsarecaused bythislag. 59 treadmillofthecriminaljusticesystem.TheRitesofPassageProgramisdirectedtothem.It involvesmainlyelementsofphysicalandmentaleducationaswell. Mary’sprogramisdiscussedbelow,alongwithconceptsoftraditionalIndigenousknowledge andeducation.UsingAboriginalCulturalReconstructionandResilience(ACRR)asamodel, ritesofpassageareputforwardasaneducationalprocessforAboriginalyouthfromvarious backgrounds. This holistic concept of education is supposed to provide a learning environment that supports people’s development as of whole individuals: mentally, emotionally,physically,andspiritually.Itisareactiontogrowingnumbersofyouthsuicide, substanceabuseandteenageviolence.ItalsorelatestothefactthatAboriginalyoutharethe mostrapidlygrowingsectoroftheAboriginalpopulation.HalfoftheAboriginalpopulation inAustraliaisunder25yearsofage,whichexpressestheobviousneedforculturallyrelevant educationalandyouthprograms,andmoreinnovativecrimepreventionstrategies.Withthe legacyofcolonialismdiscussedinthechapterabove,parentingandeducationofchildrenand youthhavebeendisintegrated.Anotherimportantfactisthatthepresenteducationalpractices are still drawing from a European model of cultural dominance. The reestablishment and reconstruction of Aboriginal traditions and the establishment of appropriate programs and activitieswouldenableyoungpeopletorediscoverthewisdomofthetraditionalwaysoflife. Theprogram Rites of Passage Program for Urban Youth wouldincludeculturalfoundations and spiritual teachings, elders, communitybased initiatives, and the direct experience of caringforspecialsitesandnaturalecosystems.Suggestedcoursesandactivitieswouldgoin thefollowingorder:Community gathering –Aformalcelebratorygatheringofthefamilies, relatives and friends of the participants of the Program followed with feasting, dancing, ceremoniesandspeechestoyouth.Learning about the Land –Activitiesandlearningabout lookingafterspecialsites,understandingtherelationshipwithfloraandfaunaviastorytelling andexcursionswithelderslearningtheirwisdom.Learningtheobligationsoflookingafter the land and its sacred dimensions. Related activities are learning about environmental studies,landrights,nativetitlesandecologicalsustainability.Understanding of the Creative Spirit –Processofunderstandingthelifeofthemindandheartandofmanagingtheegoin appropriate and creative ways. Learning the Aboriginal worldview through understanding AboriginallogicandtheAboriginalsenseoftimeandspacethatwillhelpyoungpeopleto retainmentalhealthbyrelievingstress,promotingapositiveattitudetolifeandimproving relationships. Related activities and learning are story telling, writing stories and poetry,

60 paintinganddrawing,dance,dramaandmusic.Physical Life Education –Learningphysical skills, selfrespect, respect for others, for theirbodies,andalso asense ofthebeautyand complexity of the physical world. Besides learning healthy habits, they will learn positive competitivenesswithouttheegotism,thepositionofanindividualinthecollectiveandwhatit means to win or lose. Related activities and learning are health education (physical and mental), sexuality, physical challenges, sport, bushcraft and wilderness skills, food preparationandnutritionandgames.Ceremony protocols (rules) –Learningtheimportance ofconductingoneselfwithasenseofhonourandtreatingthepeopleoneinteractswithinan honourable way. Ceremony and protocols imbue activities with a sense of the sacred and thereforetheyarenottobetreatedinashallowway.Theyareareminderoflifeasaspiritual place.Relatedactivitiesandlearningarefeasting,presentations,theteachingofmanners,self regard, and selfrespect. The large changes in life (birth, naming, adulthood, marriage, creatinglife,becominganElder,death)presentedinthecontextofceremoniesandprotocols. Relationships – Learning of the meaning of positive relationships, of the appropriate and positivesocialinteractionrelatingtoothers,family,friendsandcolleagues.Relatedactivities and learning are learning appropriate behaviours for men and women, intergenerational relationships,asenseofshame,managinganger,fear,passion,shyness,etcetera.Observing oneselfinpublicsituationsandunderstandinglargechangesinlifeandtheirimpact.Formal Educational Courses –Engagementinformaleducation.Learningconventionalcoursework –notnecessarilyinaformalsetting–willhelpthe participants to feel secure about their acquisitionofformalqualificationswhichwillhelptheminemploymentchoicestheymakeat a later stage. Related activities and learning are English, Maths, History, Aboriginal Language, Politics, and International Affairs, and possibly discussion evenings and workshops. Completion Community Celebration–Anothergatheringofthecommunityto celebratethetransitionoftheyouthintoadultsandmoreimportantlyoftheirfullintegration into the community followed by dances, music, songs and ceremonies. Further activities such as assisting the participants to find a job, to continue their education or help their communitywouldfollowaftertheformalcompletionoftheProgram. AccordingtoMary,“involvementintheseactivitieswillhelpyoungpeopletodevelopwell adjustedpersonalities,positiveattitudesandgroundedcharactersandbeanassetandasource ofpridetotheAboriginalcommunityaswell”(MaryGraham–Rites of Passage Program for Urban Youth 2006:7).Regardingritualcircumcisionofboys,Maryacknowledgedthatitisan importantreligiousthinkthatstilltakeplace,though,onlyinformofaveragecircumcision,

61 notincludinglinearcuttingofpenisasitwastraditionally.Shealsosaidthattoday,boysgoto theirlocalclinicstobecircumcised.On girls’initiationthatusedtobefollowedby ritual deflorationinsomecommunities,Maryexplainedthatitwouldnotbeusualinhercommunity bysayingthat:“Thesethingsmightstilltakeplaceinsomecommunitiesbutnotinours.I wouldn’tapproachit,forsure,neitherideologically.Wearelookingatitmoreintermsof strengthening of character, moral favour. You gotta be realistic.” People carrying out this Program will be “key individuals such as mentors, trainers, role models, elders and other wisdomholders,andextendedfamilyandpeers”(MaryGraham–Rites of Passage Program for Urban Youth 2006:7).TheProgramisenvisagedtotaketwelvemonthstocomplete.Two orthreemonthstoprepare,sixorsevenmonthstocarryoutthemodulesandtheremaining twomonthstodebriefwiththeparticipantsandtheirfamiliesandtowritethefinalreporton outcomesforfundingbodies.Therewillalsobeafollowupvisittoparticipantsandtheir family to record their impressions and impact of the Program on their development six monthstooneyearlater. MarypresentedherprojectatSee Change conferenceinOctober2006.Thewomenshoweda biginterestintheProgramandbecamea“hit”oftheconference.Oneofthemevenpromised to get a funding for it. Also, evaluation sheets that the women had to fill out at the end showedhowoutstandingMary’sspeechwas. 4.4.5 Reflections on Aboriginal women’s health and healing

Women in Kummara, except Theresa 29 , referred to Kummara’s work as healing. In Aboriginal holistic approach, healing covers a very large area, and things like community meetings,yarning(thatmeanstalkinginacircle)circles,artmaking,singingorspendingyour timeinnature,canbereferredtoashealingtoo. LillaWatsonsaysthatAboriginalpeople have been influenced by Western health concepts but their understanding of health still includesspiritual,emotionalandpsychological wellbeing, andalsorelationswiththeland. Lillasays:“Itmustinvolvethelandbecauseitseemstomethatifthelandisunwell,thenwe willbeunwell.Andthataffectsouremotional,ourspiritual,andpsychologicalwellbeing” (Lilla Watson, personal communication, 31/10/06). Although women in Kummara do not

29 TheresawouldnotrefertoKummara’sworkashealing.SheperceivedKummara’sfocusaspurely family orientedbutwitharecentfocusonwomen’sspirituality.Sheadmittedthataparticularpartcanbereferredtoas healing. 62 practiceanytraditionalcuresintermsofthephysicalhealing,theypracticewomen’sspiritual healing,astheycallit,reconnectingtowomen’sroles,women’svaluesandtraditionsthe waycontemporaryAboriginalwomenmaydefinetheir culture. Jackie Huggins referred to Kummara as a healing place since “they apply the very essence of Aboriginal women’s cultural healing practices as we know it today and do it in honest and dignified manner” (personalcommunication,8/11/06). Thecontentofthe See Change conferencewasverymuchfocusedonwomen’sspiritualand culturalhealing.Theattendingwomenhadachancetoarticulatetheirpersonalstrengthsand weaknesses, an all this was evaluated and brought into a forum. Most frequently named weaknesseswere:attitudestobeingBlack,shame,guilt,isolation,fear,silence,pain,lossof knowledge,stereotyping/judgement, culturalawarenessatschool,alackofagilitytoclaim our rights. Conversely, the women identified with these strengths: selfunderstanding and wisdom,findingrootsandfamilyconnections,spendingtimewithfamily,connectingwith theland,connectingwiththeancestorsspiritually,contactwithnature,goingtosacredplaces, valuingwhoweare,thetruewomen’srole,releasingpainfrompastexperiences,andfinding harmonyandbalance.Notasmuchthewomenassomeofthepresentershaveemphasisedthe importance of putting the efforts and energy only in community things, of not talking to White people so much. I would like to introduce what was presented by another two Indigenousfemalespeakers. One of them presented a program under an organisation called ‘Landmark Education’, an Americaneducationforumadvertisingnewmethodsoflearning.Their mottoisfollowing: “Standardeducationalmethodsenhancewhatyouknowandexplorewhat youdon’tknow. LandmarkEducationgivesyouanaccesstowhatyoudon’tevenknowthatyoudon’tknow” (http://www.landmarkeducation.com/, 18/10/06). According to what was said and what I investigated,thisconsistsofworkshopsonselfempowerment and selfesteem. It embraces the individual process of recovering from one’s past by identifying the troublesome interpretation of a moment in one’s past – the‘landmark’ – that perpetuates the way one understandstheworldaroundhimorherandoftencontributestohisorherlowselfesteem. By identifying this misinterpretation one can usually understand his or her hidden expectationsofthefuturethatareimmediatelycreatingunconsciousstereotypesinhisorher mind. By undergoing this process one can slowly heal his or her mind and avoid all preconceivedideasabouthisorherfuture.ParticipationatthisworkshopisAU$500.After

63 furtherinvestigationanddiscussion,Ifoundthatthisorganisationhassometraitscomparable totheScientologistChurch,andothercultlikeorganisations.Thespeciallytrainedagentsuse methods of persuasion, repeating forcing phrases (such as “Do you get it?”), and create momentsofindividualwellbeingandhighselfconfidence.Anotherfactoristhepriceofthe training.Itmightbeaffordable;nevertheless,Iwasveryscepticalaboutthebenefitsofthe training.ButthemostburningquestionitraisedwaswhethertheIndigenouswomenaccept thisformofhealing.Ingeneral,womenattheconferenceseemedtobequiteinterestedinthis agent’spresentationandfollowedherinstructions.WhenIdiscussedmysuspicionsaboutit withSueandJenny,whohadattendedtheworkshop,theyagreedthatitwasinadequate.Sue saidthatshedidnotfeelcomfortableaboutthingslikethisandthatshedoesnotbelieveinit. AccordingtoJenny: Itisgoodaslongasyouknowexactlywhatyouaregoingtodowiththeresult.Thefirstpartis okay,yourmindisclean,andyouarereadytostartagain.Butyoumustknowwhattoputin thisimageofyour‘blank’futurebecausetheyaretryingtoinfluenceyouinthesecondpart. The problem is that it is not always given by the right people (Jenny Fraser, personal communication,19/10/06). Theworkofanotherfemalehealer,PamWhite,wasbasedonclassicalEasternknowledgeof body chakras and meditation techniques. She opened her speech with a welcoming spirits ceremonyusingasmoulderingincensestick,continuedwithmeditationandthenpresented thechakratheory.Occasionally,sherelatedparticularchakrastoAboriginalsubjectssuchas land,contactwithspiritsandsoon. Both those healing concepts included Aboriginal cultural ‘patterns’ and formulations in a way, but they mostly seemed to be based on the New Age ideologies and concepts of understandingtheworld.ImustadmitthatIwasverysurprised,andItalkedtothewomenin Kummara about my feelings. Dulcie explained to me that by inviting the woman from LandmarkEducation,shereactedtoacallfromthecommunity.“Manywomentoldmethat theyneededtobuildtheirselfesteeminparticular.That’swhy IinvitedWendy”(personal communication, 26/10/06). Generally, she presented this workshop as one of the possible formsofhealingwhichdoesnothavetobeconsideredgoodorbadnecessarily.Sheexplicitly recognisedtheinfluenceinthetraditionalhealingfrom‘outside’assomethingnaturalwith thepotentialtobemoreorlessuseful.“Youmightthinkit’sgoodorbadbutit’sjustanother option. We can combine these two systems in order to get a nice mix” (Dulcie Bronsch, 64 personal communication, 26/10/06). Dulcie also mentioned that Kummara was planning to start a healing centre that would include differentcurativesystems–physicalandspiritual healing and different kinds of medicine and cures. One might be the traditional ‘bush medicine’ consisting mainly of Aboriginal herbs and foods, another could be the spiritual healingthatissimilartothe‘Easternway’ofspiritualhealing,andtherewouldprobablybe massages,bathsandotherthingsofsimilarnature.“Wemighthaveamonthofbushmedicine andamonthofsomethingelse”(personalcommunication,26/10/06).Laterthatday,Italked toMaryabouttheconference.SheseemedtobeslightlymoresurprisedthanDulcieatthe waysofhealingthatwerepresented.Nevertheless,shenotedthatsimilarconceptsmightbe successfulwithinIndigenouscommunitysinceitlacksthedefinitionoftheproperIndigenous way of healing, and Law. None the less, Mary admitted that she personally finds some alternativewaysofhealing,suchasReiki,useful.Shesoundedalmostguiltysayingthat.She alsomentionedthefactthatitisimpossibletostayawayfromanyoutsideculturalinfluences. “Wecannotbechauvinistic.ButourAboriginalwayshavetobeexploredthenaturalforce insideus,our Law”(personalcommunication,26/10/06).Otherwomen, LillaWatson,and Jackie Huggins talked about the usefulness of other cultural models as they are always somehow transformed into an Aboriginal way. In Jackie’s words “just take what you want andthrowouttherest”(personalcommunication,08/11/06).Lillamadeagoodcommenton thismatterwhenshecomparedwhatisvaluableforIndigenousandwhatforWhitepeople. ShealsomentionedtheabilityofIndigenouspeopletochooseonlywhattheyneed: TherearelotsofthingslikecarsthathavebeenimportedtothiscountryandMurrisusethem nowbutweusethemaccordingtoourvalues.Houses are mainly for prestige and material possessionandownership,whereasMurrisaremoreinclinednottoputthatsortofvalueon them.WhenthatbigcyclonehappenedupinDarwin,Whitepeoplewereabsolutelydevastated becausetheylosttheirhouses;theylosttheircars,theirboats,theirpossessions,whereabouts Murris,theyhandledallthatmuchbetter.Theysortofwentaroundandsaid“oh,thiswasabig blow,wasn’tit?”SowhatIamsayingis...EventhisLandmarkEducationorwhateveritis...I don’tseeitasadangerifAboriginalpeopleparticipateinitordecidetodoit,andthenmaybeit willhelptheminsomeway.Ithinkthatanythingthathelpspeopleisgood(strongly)!(Lilla Watson,personalcommunication,31/10/06). IthinkthesecommentssupporttheideathatforwomeninKummara,theAboriginalculture today is in a process of recreation. It is being influenced from the outside and there is certainlynothingwrongaboutit.Itisanaturalprocessofculturaladaptationtothepresentin

65 ordertomakethiscultureas‘effective’aspossible.Ontheotherhand,italsorespondstothe factthatpresentAboriginalsocietieslackanexactdefinitionoftheircommongroundaclear expressionoftheirtermsofreference.

V. Discourse on invention of Aboriginal women: Theory in practice InthischapterIwillshiftthefocusfromAboriginalwomen’shealingaspracticedbywomen in Kummara to the theory of revitalisation of the Aboriginal notion of culture. First, as a background to my analysis, I will examine key theories on cultural revitalisation and inventionincontemporary AustraliaandthePacific.Next,Iwillfocusontheinterplayof creating an image of Aboriginal women throughout Australian history by anthropologists, historians, White feminists, and by Indigenous women themselves, and then begin the analysisofthediscourseon‘revitalising’cultureofAboriginalwomeninKummara.

Afterpresentingvariousworksoninventionandrevitalisationofcultureortraditioninthe Pacific,IhopeImadecomprehensiblethatAustralianIndigenousculture,aswellasanyother culture, is fluid, dynamic and adaptable. Accordingly, the creative force has enabled traditionalculturetopersist.Sinceittransformedthroughadaptation,thecultureisdifferent fromwhatitusedtobebeforetheEuropeansettlement.TherevivalofIndigenousknowledge, practices and traditional ceremonies might have seemed suspicious due to the common perceptionofcultureandtraditionasrigid,asetofunchangeablepracticesandriteswithan inherentpowertopersistanything.Itbroughtinpoliticaldisputesovertheauthenticityofthe proclaimed Indigenous traditions in the whole Pacific. “The fluidity of culture, and the creativityandinnovation,ifnotoutrightinventioninvolvedintherevitalisationoftradition, haveledmanywithinthedominantsocietyinNewZealandandAustraliatobescepticalof Indigenousclaimsandtostresstheneedforthemtobethoroughlyandobjectivelychecked by anthropologists”, as elicited by Kolig (2005:308). I believe the readers of this text understooditasanexampleofhowtherevitalisation,revivalorinventionofculturalpractices canhappenandthereisnothingbadorbizarreaboutit.Thefundamentalstorybehindthese linesisthatcultureisinaprocessofconstantchange.Itcannotbeabsolutelyconsistentin twodifferenttimes,inthepresentandinaparticularmomentinthepast.Astrongstimulusto rethinktraditions“comesfromboththeattempttoredresstheimbalanceofpowerpoignantly experiencedbytheindigenesforsolong,andfromtheirdeeplyfeltneedtobesuccessfulina modernworld”(Kolig2005:296297).Thishappensinwaysmorehomogenoustotheirown

66 culturethaninthosedictatedbythedominantsociety.Itseemsthatthedominantsocietynow allowsthistohappenmorethanbefore.InbothAustraliaandNewZealand,recentlegislation andpolicieshavestronglysupportedtherevivalofIndigenoustraditions.This,ontheother hand, creates envy among the rest of the population. More populist groups and political partiesareparticularlyhostiletothegainsandgovernmentsupportobtainedbyIndigenous people – for example to the government funding of Maori tribes in Waitangi treaty settlements in New Zealand The large restrictions of Aboriginal land claims that would endanger the mining and farmbased economy set by Australian Wik legislation (1988)30 reflectedthewidespreadenvyamongtheAustralianpopulationofAboriginalfavour(Kolig 2005).Asintendedby Merlan(2005), Aboriginaldemands may be constrained by official policies today, to reduce the revival of its cultural content, and to exclude politics of it. EspeciallyinthecaseofAboriginallandclaims,traditionsandproclaimedprivacyofsacred sites could be the only tools of legislative success, if no other land rights were officially recognised. It is the anthropologists involved in these affairs who have a crucial role in examiningIndigenouscultureanditsvalidityintermsofidentityandcontinuityoftradition. 31 Astherevivaloftraditionisinmanycasesrespondingtothedominantsocietyandfollows particular rational aims, it is usually greatly influenced by mainstream values. Kolig (2005:301)pointsoutthatthis‘ideologicaltransfer’isinherentlyselective:

30 TheWikDecisionisadecisionoftheHighCourtofAustraliainWikPeoplesv.theStateofQueenslandin December1996,regardingtherightofaccessbytheWikpeoplesofCapeYorkPeninsulainNorthQueensland toCrownlandheldunderpastoralleasesforcattlegrazing.Thecourtdecided(4judgesto3)thattherightsof Indigenouspeople whocanproveaconnectiontothelandcancoexist withtherightsoftheleaseholders(or pastoralists),butwherethereisanyinconsistencybetweenthetwo,therightsofthepastoralistwillprevail.In otherwords,pastoralleasesdonotautomaticallygiveexclusivepossessiontothepastoralist,andthereforedo notnecessarilyextinguishnativetitle.ThishadbeenamajorassumptionuponwhichtheCommonwealthNative TitleActhadfirstbeendrafted(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikPeoplesvQueensland,08/05/07).

31 TheanthropologicaldilemmaisapparentintheexampleoftheHindmarshIslanddisputeof1989.Inthiscase, anthropologistswerecalledupontoplaytheroleofjudgeofNgarrindjeriwomen’sclaimsofsacredsitesand theirrelevancetosecretwomen’sbusiness.Aprivatedevelopermadeplanstobuildabridgelinkingtheisland withthemainland,togetherwithaharbourandhousingestates.Thestategovernmentsupportedthishighpriced projectinordertoliftthelocaleconomy.Twoyearsaftertheplanshadbeenannouncedin1994;agroupof Ngarrindjeriwomendeclaredtheislandtobeofastrongspiritualimportanceforthemandprotestedagainstthe buildingplans.Theydidnotprovideanydetails,assertingsecrecyoftheirreligiouslifeandwomen’sbusiness. However,anothergroupofwomenfromthesametribechallengedthisclaimbyrefutingtheexistenceofany sacredsitesinthatarea.Stateandfederalgovernments,theMinisterofAboriginalaffairs,Aboriginalgroups, consultantanthropologistsandthelanddeveloperhimself – wereallinvolvedinaprotracteddiscussion.The anthropologistsdividedintotwocategories.Bothofthemhadtoconsiderthefactthatnowomen’sspirituallife had been recorded in Hindmarsh Island by previous anthropologists. The opponents dismissed the women’s claimsasinspiredbyquestionablemotives,whereasthedefendersinclinedtobelievethatAboriginalcultureis changeable and the women’s claims plausible. Nevertheless, the claims were eventually scrutinised and dismissed as a lie. This dispute has highlighted the question of how bounded anthropological knowledge is. Whetheritextendsaprovable‘truth’topublicinterestsorwhetheritiscompelledtosteerclearfrompartisan commitmentandemotionality(Kolig2005). 67 Although, in some cases, Aborigines are relearning traditional culture from fairly comprehensiveanthropologicalandhistoricalrepresentations,bynomeansisallofthiscultural repertoryacceptedintothe‘traditional’canonandmadeacandidateforrevival.Forinstance, the Moko tattoo (on the face or on the buttocks) is compatible with Western aesthetics: cannibalism,ontheotherhand,cannotbemadetofitwithinWesternmorality.Thepractice generates such revulsion in the dominant society that any attempt to revive it would be counterproductive. WhilesometraditionalcustomssuchasritualcircumcisionofAboriginalboys,orseparate institutions for boys and girls, men and women, might be grounded in the traditional Aboriginal Law, they can be hardly reestablished in the present society. As women in Kummaraemphasised,itisnotonlyaboutgoingbacktothepastcontemporaryIndigenous culture and traditions are modernised. Indigenous people are strongly influenced by the demandsoflivingwith,andin,awidersociety,accordingtoitsvaluesandviews.Onthe otherhand,thereisagrowingsceneofIndigenousknowledgeasacounterpartoftheWestern intellectuality.BothMaoriandAboriginalintellectualsgivelecturesonIndigenoustraditional knowledge, languages and so on. The assertion of its equality to science at schools and tertiary institutions is, according to Kolig, an evidence of the epistemological insecurity inherent in postmodernism. Indigenous rewriting of history and the promotion of their traditionalknowledgeasenvironmentallywiseiswidelyacceptedastruth. Accordingtomyfindings,womeninKummaraconsciouslyattempttorevitaliseorrejuvenate theirpastculture.They,andAboriginalwomenfromotherQueenslandcommunities,focus on similar tenets like women’s empowerment, spiritual healing and involvement in the communitydecisionmakingprocesses.However,asseenwithinthesmallscaleofKummara, theirnotionsandacceptationsofculturaltransfergenerallyvary.Thus,theprocessofcultural transitionseemstobeincoherentandrandom,aquestionofindividualtaste,ratherthanofan interactiveplanning.ItisimportanttosaythatevenintraditionalAboriginalsocieties,people thoughtandactedasindividuals,eventhoughthestrongestemphasiswasoncommunity.Due to different amounts of knowledge, people understood different things differently. But everyone had a certain ‘framework’, social status and adequate selfdetermination. Today, social roles are far more questionable and contested as shown in this study. Nevertheless, Kummararepresentsonlyonewomen’sdiscourse,notexclusivedefinitionsofculturethatis to be adopted. “Aborigines are not a homogenous mass and distinctions need to be made 68 among them. The experience of some is more relevantthanofotherstothequestionofa renaissance”(Maddock2002:25).Therefore,theoutcomesofthediscourseinKummaramay beviewedasasmallpartofa‘culturalframework’. ThewomeninKummaratalkedaboutthenecessarychangesthatmustcomesoon.Mostof themexplicitlysaidthattheydonotclaimbacktheirpast,somerigidandfrozenmomentsof traditional Aboriginal culture. Some of them questioned the word ‘traditional,’ which has negative political connotations in the Australian context as it implies romantic anthropological concepts of ‘authentic’ and ‘real’ Aborigines in the ‘Golden Age’ before colonization, and of their present counterparts as being ‘unreal’ and culturally ‘lost’ (Cowlishaw 1993; Keefe 1988; Maddock 2002). They also avoided using the word ‘invention’inregardstothechangingroleofAboriginalwomentodayandtotheirconception ofchange.Theyagreedthattheyneedn’tcreateorinventsomethingnewastheyarecalling forthingstheyhavealreadyhad.Therefore,theycommunicatethischangeas‘rejuvenation’, ‘revisiting’, or ‘reclaiming’. As I understand it, they perceive this as a process of re establishingtheirpresentauthenticityasAboriginalwomen,byacknowledginganddrawing fromthepast,aswell asby accepting cultural modernisation in the present. This cultural influencehappensinvariouswaysandindifferentareas.32 RegardingtheAustralianIndigenousculture’stransformation,onehastostartwithexamining theprecontactpast.TherehasbeenscientificevidenceofAboriginaladaptationtomassive climatechanges.Inhisarticle It’s the life, Jim, but not as we know it ,IanLilley(2006)draws attentiontoarchaeologicalfindingsfromtheendofPleistocene.Thisgeologicalepochknown asIceAgewasuntilrecentlyportrayedassimpleandstaticintermsofpeople’sbehaviour in comparison with the dynamic postglacial times, known as Holocene. In fact, the stone artefacts,theirquality,quantityandinnovationindifferenttimesanddifferentplacesshow clearly the ability of Pleistocene desert people to “reconfigure their economies, mobility patterns,territorialranges,informationexchangesystemsandtechnologicalorganisationsto copewithcontinuousclimatechange”(Lilley2006:218).AccordingtoLilley,theveryclear messagefromarchaeologyisthat“thecapacitytomakewhatcanberadicalchangesshows how adaptable and resilient people can be” (2006:220). Furthermore, Aboriginal societies havebeenculturallyinfluencedfromtheoutsideworldinthemillenniabeforetheEuropeans 32 ThereareinnovationsinthetraditionalAboriginalwaysofpaintingandartmaking.Asregardsthetraditional beliefs,thereisagrowingamountofcasesofconversiontoIslamamongprisonersespecially,referredtoas revision. 69 arrivedalready.ThisoccurredmainlyinthenortherncoastareawhereAborigineswouldbe visitedbyMacassans,Indonesians,andMelanesiansforcenturies.Nevertheless,thiscultural exchange did not certainly result in any bigger changes; the influences have been either rejectedorintegrated(seeKolig1981).Forexample,Chaloupka(1993)noticesthiscultural influenceinAboriginalrockart.Iaskedmyrespondentsforevidenceofculturalchangesin theprecontactortraditionalpast.Iwaslookingforaproofofthisculturaldynamism.Lilla broughtupthefactthat,inAboriginalcommunities,peoplenevermentionedthenamesof theirdead(personalcommunication,31/10/06).Thatinvolvedexclusionofthenameofthe dead person from the vocabulary and a consequent adaptation of the daily speech. 33 She added that while the Western society tends to talk about its dead “heroes” such as Elvis Presleyandsimilarones,inAboriginalsociety,everyonecanbeaheroinhislife. The shifting point in Australian Aborigines’ history was colonization. Aboriginal culture since 1788 is necessarily different from how it was before. People have been constantly adjusting their ways of living and their categories of thinking to the radically new socioeconomic conditions enforced by Western society. This has been most visible in subsistencepracticesthewaytheystartedtomakealiving.Morerecently,theyhavebeen activelyrevisingandreshapingtheirreligionintoanewstructure.Kolig(1981:1)statesthat not only has the religion survived in our modern world but “its importance remains unimpaired.” Due to the formative influence of religion on people’s consciousness, “Dreaming”remains“thereservoiroftheautochthonousAboriginalheritage,thesymbolof unchangingcontinuity”thathasslowlybecome“avehicleofethnicawarenessinthewider Australia”(1981:1). TheprocessofculturalreconciliationinpresentAustraliaisknownasdecolonization.The family and community healing practiced by women in Kummara certainly involves this decolonizationaspect.ButwhattheAboriginalcommunityrepresentstoday?Itiscertainly more of a new form of sociality than a continuation of its old form. A ‘traditional’ ethnographer,RadcliffeBrown(1930:35),assertsthefollowing:“thelocalorganisationisthe first part of the social system to be destroyed by the advent of the European and the expropriation of the native owners of the land”. With the breakdown of their social

33 Patrick Williams (2003) writes about the same phenomenon in the community of the Kalderash Roma in France. 70 organisation,suchasfamilyandcommunity,Aboriginalpeoplehavelostanothersignificant culturalpattern.ComingfromMyers’s(1993)conceptof“holding”culturalvalueswithinthe kin through nurturing, care for, and teaching of children and young people, their social constructionof“sharedidentity”hasbeendisrupted.Thus,thenewcommunitiesattemptedto protectthemselves.AccordingtoJ.H.Bell(1965:402),theywerecharacterisedby“extensive kinshipties...astrongsenseofbelongingtoagroup’and‘thisethnocentrismhasdonemuch topreservethehomogeneityoftheirbirthplace”.Belongingtoaparticularplaceis,among otherthings,stressedinKummara’sframework. Anothersignificantfactorofculturalchangeiseducation.MostoftheKummara’spersonnel graduated from Australian universities with degrees in social work, social politics or psychology.Kummara’sconceptualframeworkhasbeendesignedtoseeIndigenousresearch methodscombinedwithWesternresearchmethods.TheKummarastaffhasbeentrainedina communitybasedapproachdrawnfromWesternsocialworkconceptualmodels.Inthisway, KummaraisbeingfabricatedusingbothWesternandIndigenousmodelsinafunctionaland effectiveway.OneoftheobjectivesofKummaraisthereestablishingofritesofpassage. Thecallforritesofpassageandinitiationofadultsespecially,isremarkableinthepresent Aboriginalsocietyasitiscommonlyemphasisedthatyoungpeoplelacktherightrolemodels andnorms.ThecallforritesofpassagedoesnotonlyoccurinAustraliasinceitiscommonto manynewpoliticalregimesandinnovatorymovementsthatlookfortheirownequivalentsof the traditional rites associated with religion (civil marriage, funerals), according to Hobsbawm (1983). But while the old practices were “stronglybinding”, the invented ones tendtobe“quiteunspecificandvagueastothenatureofthevalues,rightsandobligationsof thegroupmembershiptheyinculcate:‘patriotism’,‘loyalty’,‘duty’,‘playingthegame’,‘the school spirit’ and the like” (1983:10). Mary from Kummara has made a very thoughtful conceptofritesofpassageforyoungpeoplebecomingadultsthatis,converselytotheone presentedbyYuggeracommunityinBrisbane,designedforaperiodoftwelvemonthsandis attendedbybothboysandgirls.However,thisprogramoperateswithotherconceptsthatare stillinprogress.Thus,itcanbeputinpracticewhenproperAboriginaltermsofreferencewill beagreedon.WomeninKummaraarestilltryingtodefinewhatexactlytheymeanforthem. Coming back to Aboriginal women’s appropriation of spiritual healing (chapter four) that explicitlydrawsfromEasternreligionandmainstreamideologies,wecanexaminetheideaof

71 MotherEarth’sDayasaproductofculturaladaptation.AsKolig(2005:307)observesabout thesameeventrecordedinadifferentAboriginalcommunity, Whiletheimageofthegroundasthesourceofanimalandhumanlife,indeedofeverythingthat exists,concreteorabstract,iscertainlytraditional(inthesenseofpredatingcontactwiththe White settlers), the ascription of feminity to it is certainly new, and would have sat rather uneasilywiththevaluesofmanytraditionallyandrocentricAboriginalsocieties. Thus,thisparticularexampleisnotonlyanappropriationofanewgenderrole,itisalsoan appropriation of dominant society’s taste for celebrating Mother’s and Father’s Days and environmentalism. Cultural inspiration is apparent in my discussion with Lilla and Mary when they recommended a work of a White feminist and anthropologist and ethnographic studies of some Western and Indigenous writers to me as representative sources of information on Aboriginalwomen’sbusiness.Inotherdiscussionsandinterviews,theyrepeatedlyexpressed theirabhorrenceofanthropologists.Theywouldrejecttheirworkasbeingconductedunder Westernscience’sprinciples,modelsofthinkingandcategorising.Theyexpressedthesame refusalofWhitefeminists.WhenIaskedthemwhethertheythoughttheyhadbeeninspired bytheWhitewomen’smovement,theysaidnoormadeambiguousstatements.Ontheother hand,theyrecommendedthoseethnographicstudiesandWhitefeminist’sbookstome.They might not have been conscious of the current Indigenous literature. Another possible interpretationisthatthey wantedtoprovidemewith a kind of ‘understandable’ literature. However, Ithinkthatthereasonismuchsimpler.Mary and Lilla might find those books interestingandinformativesince–despitebeingWhiteorfeminist–theauthorsmadesome importantfindings.Therejectionofanthropologistsseemstobea‘mantra’ofallIndigenous peoplebutitcanbejustanautomaticreflexaction.Anthropologistshavebeenveryimportant mediatorswiththewiderAustraliansociety,asdiscussedlater,inmanysituationsdemanding an objective judgement about cultural issues. Thus, they may be seen with suspicion but alwayswithsomeamountoftrustthatcanalsobeasignofresignation. Ihadachancetoobservedifferentwomen’sperceptionsofDianeBell’sbooksasdescribed inchapterthree.BasedonthisitcanbeconcludedthatAboriginalwomenmightbepartly inspiredorinfluencedbyWhitefeminismandviceversa.Theproblemisnotwhetherthere

72 hasbeenanyinfluencebutratherinthesymbolicpoweronegroupofwomenhadoverthe latter.Thus,AboriginalwomenweresimplyinvitedtojoinWhitefeministswithoutanysign of an apology or humility, without the abandonment of the White racist approach. But AboriginalwomendidnotrunafterthehelpofWhite women. This canbe related to who speaksforwhom,whohasapowertointerpretwhom.Itraisesthequestionofexistenceof thesymbolicpoweror symbolic capital asintroducedbyBourdieu(1979).Insimplewords,it isunderstoodastheamountofhonourandprestige possessedby apersonwithregardsto acting structures. It occurred in my research in another way. Through evaluating the attendanceoftheconference,runbyKummarathatfocusedonwomen’sempowermentand spiritualhealing,Irealisedthatalltheattendingwomenhadareasonablygoodsocialstatus– seen from the view of mainstream society. All of them were employed or selfemployed; someofthemworkedfortheAustraliangovernment.Theyweremostlyfromthelatetwenties to early fifties. Furthermore, the Kummara personnel comprise educated and intellectually strong women. It raises the question whether this kind of discourse might be limited to Aboriginalwomeninleadershippositions.Iconcludethatitisacommonandunderstandable phenomenonthatcontemporarynotionsofculture,andprimarilydiscourseonthatculture,are thedomainofpeopleinhigherpositionsorwithgreatersocialcapital.Theimportantthingis whether the positive outcomes of it concern others as well. Surprisingly, one of the respondents mentioned the same – that the women at the conference were women in leadershippositions,nottheaverage,thecommonones. * “Exception proves the rule” Thiswoman,Theresa(Earlyinterventionandfamilysupportworker),becamemoreandmore scepticalofKummara’sactivitiestowardstheendofmyplacement.Shedecidedtoleave,as theorganisationhadnotcorrespondedtoherexpectations.ShesaidthatKummarafocusedon women and research completely at the expense of parenting programs and family support. “Everyone talks about childcare but they are actually just doing research” (personal communication,02/11/06).Shesaidthatshehadremarkedalackoffacilities,suchasmissing means of transport. Sometimes, she was not able to travel to see the families. She also complainedaboutmissingsupervisioninKummara.Anotherthingshementionedwasthat Kummarapresentsitselfexclusivelyasawomen’sorganisationbutthereisactuallyamanon theboard(ItwasSue’sson,Gerald,whoisinchargeoftheTjapitastafftrainingprogram.). Sheobviouslydidnotfeelcomfortableaboutthewomen’sissuesasshesaid:“Theconference focusedonwomeninleadershippositionsinsteadofoncommonones.Idon’tbelieveinit,

73 and I didn’t want to be involved in it. It blew up into a big thing.” She summed up her feelingsbyimplyingthatthereismoretalkthanactioninchildcareinKummaraandassured me:“Ilovetheplace,Ilovethepeople,butitisnotactuallyworking.”IpresumethatTheresa was staying slightly in between the Indigenous and the mainstream models, to which she admitted.Shesaidthatifsheneededhelp,shewouldhesitatewhethertogotoanIndigenous ortoamainstreamorganisation. Iamsortofinbetween,oneofthosepeoplewhosay“it’stimetostopcryingandgoupthere anddosomething”butatthesametime,weneedto take baby steps. Unless you have that identitycrisisyoucannotunderstandwhyit'sneeded.Thebodyidentitycrisisis“Ijustfound thatIamablackfellowbutIdon’tknowwheremycountryis,Idon’tknowanytotems.”Inmy case,I’veknownIamablackfellowforallofmylifebutIstilldon’tknowmytotemandland. TheresahasbeenbroughtupinamostlyWesternenvironment.Unfortunately,shestilldoes not know the origin of the group her father partly belonged to. She has worked in both Indigenousandmainstreamorganisations,sosheexperiencedbothsystems.Frommypointof view,shewasreallydedicatedtoearlyintervention,andjustnotasinterestedintherather ‘intellectual’workofKummara.ToclosethisstoryasIsaidabove,women’sperceptionsof culturedifferastheirindividualitiesdiffer. * WhenIaskedwomeninKummarawhattheythoughtaboutbeinginfluencedbymainstream andothercultures,theyallindependentlyagreedthatacceptanceofothercultures’concepts and ideas can be beneficial. The reason for that is that Aboriginal culture and Aborigines themselves are still evolving. Notions of other cultures’ healing and spirituality named in chapter four can be good examples of that. Especially the presentation of the Landmark organisationandoftheEasternwayofhealingandthecommentsonthat: Allthingsarevalid.Wedon’trejectanything.Iftheydecidetotakeiton,itwillbeusedintheir way.Theymightlookatitandsay‘oh,thisisinteresting’butrejectitandnevereveruseit. That’sthedynamism(LillaWatson,personalcommunication,31/10/06). Again,wecanassumethosethingsarosethroughtheconstantreshapingandrebuildingof Indigenouspracticesthatnecessarilyinvolvedoutsideinfluences.Kolig(1981)assumesthat “religiousbrokers,”ashereferstomodernspiritualleaders,areskilledmanagersatthesame time.They acquireproperty rightstovarioustraditions and actively introduce them to the

74 public. They have to be flexible in maintaining community demands, in abstracting from various religious sources, and in making use of technology, such as the information technology,promotion,useofmoney,transportandsoforth.However,thenecessitytohave theseabilitiesandtechnologicalskillsexcludesmanyprestigiousAboriginaleldersfromtheir religiouscompetence.Theyarenotenoughflexibleandagile.“Tosomeextent,beingaleader today depends on personal finances, since a leader must actively set an example in the purchaseofnewesotericsecrets,andhemustbeabletotravelwidely,andsoforth.Apoor manwouldhardlybeabletoaffordaleadingrole”(Kolig1981:157). Astheoreticalandstagnantasitmightseem,itiscommontotalkabouttheprocessofcultural recreation,innovationandrevitalisation.YetappliedinpracticebywomeninKummara,this process is actually very vivid and interesting. It is a confirmation of the dynamism and progressivenessofAboriginalculture,ofitscontinualemergence. Wehaven’tlostit.Wejustneedtoreconnectwiththatculture,withthatOldAgecultureof thousandsofyearsbecauseit’sthere.Itmightseemstagnant,itmightseemsuppressed,andit mightseeminvisiblebutweneedtoreconnecttothatinvariousways(JackieHuggins,personal communication,08/11/06). Aswecansee,theabovementioned‘denialoftheneedforrevival’hasbeenakeytheme throughoutthisstudy.Iconcludethatitisnotadequatetotalkabouta lossofAboriginal culture, nor is it adequate to assert its complete artificial construction. Aboriginal people engageinaprocessofnecessaryselfidentificationwiththeworldtheylivein,whichincludes significantmomentsof“retraditionalisation”(Kolig2002)asanoppositetothemainstream society’srationalisationtrendproclaimedbyMaxWeber(1924).Rationalisationisaprocess thatisinherenttocapitalism.Theexpansionofscience,technologyandmodernbureaucracy followed the ideal of the most effective functioning of social and economic life based on technical skills. Retraditionalisation itself is “supported by the globalisation through the freedomof choice...andrebellionagainstthestatehegemony(Kolig2002:8).” Inthisway, Aboriginalcultureisbeingrevitalisedandinnovatedandisreassertingculturalautonomyona politicallevel.AsimplementedbythewomeninKummara,itisundoubtedlyanopposition againstAustralianmainstreamsociety’sassimilativepushtowardstheAboriginalpopulation. ItcorrespondstothetheoryofcontemporaryIndigenouscultureasconstantlybeing“formed and reformed by individual creativity, inventiveness and selfinterested enterprise” (Kolig

75 2002:13).Butwhoisbehindthisenterprise,andwhoseinterestsarebeingportrayed?Whois theenterprisedesignedfor?Itisalwaysnecessarytolookfortheactorsofthiscultureand their agenda. Nevertheless, it seems that Aboriginal people today cannot turn against the historyandrestoretheirtraditionalpast.“EvenifAboriginescouldconsolidatethemselvesin thebush,removethemselvesfromintensivecontactwithWesterncivilisation,andperhaps reverttotheoldskillsofsubsistence,theycannotregainaprecontactconsciousness”(Kolig 1981:4). Sofar, Ihavebeenquestioningtheprocessofcultural influence, its forms and patterns. I cannot avoid asking the following question do the cultural influences always happen consciously and purposefully, coming from various interests and needs of Aboriginal communities?IassumetheydonotsinceAboriginaltraditionshavebeen“suspended”with their forced assimilation, Christianisation and collective reeducation. The little amount of traditional knowledge has been kept by Aboriginal elders or clandestinely handed down withinthefamilies.WhetherAboriginesdrawsomeofthenotionsoftheirtraditionalpast fromtheworkofanthropologistsornot,theyarenotfullyawareofallthechangesthathave occurredandtowhichextenttheyhavealteredtheessenceoftheirtradition.Wecanconsider thefollowingKolig’s (1981:5)remark:“Manyanew feature is believed to be completely traditional,perhapsasancientastheDreamtime,whileinactualfactitmaybenoolderthana fewdecades.Perhaps,thisisadeliberateselfdeception.”Theremightalsobeadifferencein WesternunderstandingoftraditionassomethingpreEuropean,andinAboriginalperceptions oftraditionasthelivedpresent,theproclaimed“Law”.“Inmanyrespects,theLawmayonly be a clouded mirror of past glory, but for the Aborigines it is the sanctuary of their autochthonousculturalheritage”(Kolig1981:5).Thiscommentpresentsascientificpointof view. Tomakethefinalnotesbalanced,IwouldliketocloseitwithastatementbyMaryGraham: “Whiletheexternalmanifestationsofourculturemightlookverydifferentormodified,the internalstructuresremain.Theyaredifficulttolosesincepeoplestillthinkinthatparticular way. But there are new ways how to describe ourselves. It jells with what you know” (personalcommunication,09/11/06).

76 CONCLUSION Let me state what I take to be the significances of this study, and to present some new perspectives.RegardingwhatIhavewrittenaboutKummarasofar,onecanunderstandtheir versionofsocialcareandhealing,ofrebuildingthefamiliesthatarelookingforasourceof helpandsupportasidefromavailablemainstreamoptionsasaformofculturalrevitalisation. RevitalisationthroughtheAboriginalconceptofculturalhealingessentiallyleadstorevealing a cultural lag that is present in modern society’s notion of culture. Supposing that the workings of Kummara and of similar organisations can complete this lag, one might ask whetherthiscanimprovethequalityoflifeofAboriginalpeoplewithinthemainsocietyand theircoexistencewithinitorviceversa.ConsideringKummara’sworkwithnonIndigenous clients and institutions, it should. However, the women in Kummara concede that their culturalconceptscanbeveryconfrontinginsomewaysnotonlyforthemainstreamsociety but for some Aboriginal people too. While Kummara attempts to connect with the mainstream,itstilldealswithrevitalisationoftraditionalwomen’scultureaswellaswitha systematicchangeinsocialcareforIndigenouspeople–itstillkeepsitsculturalexclusivity. Can this imply that it would be politically impossible for Kummara to operate only for Indigenousclients?Thatwouldbeanotherquestiontoponder…Iconcludethat,aslongasit isworkingforKummara’sclients,itisefficient.Theyarehelpedinsocialcareissuesbytheir ‘people’ and in their ‘ways’ – be it their way of communication, emphasising the land connections and authorities, rites of passage and parenting programs, child care, women’s gatheringsorspiritualhealing.TheyareincludedinanetworkofIndigenousbutalsonon Indigenousfamiliesandfriends.TheyareinadailycontactwithIndigenouswaysofthinking and acting, and still reminded of how ‘their ancestors would do similar things’. Since Kummara’sworkisfundamentallyideological,itsrealbenefitsforalltheAboriginalpeople inBrisbane–eventhoseonthestreetsmightbeseenintime.Nevertheles,Ibelievethatthe wayKummaraapproachesIndigenouscultureismuchmoresophisticatedandcomplexthan the way culture is defined by some theorists of multiculturalism. 34 Culture, which is a problematic term itself, can hardly be identified with one specific society and vice versa. Thus, people who might call themselves Indigenous can refer to parts of their traditional 34 SomesocialscientiststendtorestrictRomanyculturetofolk,suchasmusic,ceremonies,tales,andtraditional skills or, which is even worse, to genetically inherent characteristics as noted by Jakoubek (2005). This can contributetomisunderstandingsofthewholeculturalconceptandtocreatinginstitutionsof‘highculture’such as publishing of songs, tales and music recordings, organising Romany festivals, folk and music ensembles, museumsofRomanycultureandsoforth.Thosethings,accordingtoJakoubek,donotcontributetopreservethe remainingculturalpatternsinRomanysettlementsoutsidethecitybutfocusonthe‘highcultureinstitutions’. 77 customsbut,atthesametime,sharethemainstreamwaysoflivingandthinking.Butwehave todistinguishtheinterpretationofcontemporaryAboriginalculturebyKummarafromother communities’interpretations.Kummara’sclientsandmembersbecomeapartofKummara’s notion of Indigenous culture. It raises the question where this all leads. Will Aboriginal people continue in their cultural recovering and create various communities with various versionsofAboriginalculture?ItwouldnotbestrangeatallasAboriginalpeopleusedtolive in separate clan groups, share different cultural patterns, and speak different languages. Therefore,differentconceptionsofculturewouldbeanaturalthing. Theapparentfocusonwomen’sissueswasclaimedtobeacallingneedofthecommunity.I oftenheardIndigenouswomensayingthat“itistimeforachangenow”.Accordingtomy findings,whileKummarausedtooperateinchildcare,addressingtheconsequencesofthe Stolen generations essentially,therecentfocusonwomen’sspiritualityandhealingisaresult ofitbeingemphasisedbyotherIndigenouswomencommunitieswithintheBrisbanearea,the spiritualleadersandsoforth.Thosearetheneedsofthecommunitywomentalkedabout,the “timeforachange”.Awoman’shealingandspirituality,reconnectingtothesecretwomen’s business seems to be on the top of the list nowadays and the linking of communities by communication networks enables its unification. But it is not only expanding patterns of socialinteractionthatcontributestoAboriginalselfdeterminationandselfidentification.Itis alsotheirnewopennesstothesurroundingworld,andtotheWesternculture.Hopefully,this willcontributetoabetterformofcoexistencewithinAustralia.Anotherimportantissueisto redefineandreassurecontemporaryroleofAboriginalmen. I understand the contemporary process of recreation and reestablishment of Indigenous culture,presentedbyKummara,asoneculture’smanifestationoffreewillandrightforself determinacy. No scientific theory of invention or revitalisation of traditional Aboriginal culturecanproclaimthistobegoodorbad,validorinvalid.ContemporaryIndigenousculture is,primarily,anIndigenousthing.Nomattertowhatextentitisinfluencedbyothercultures orculturalmovements,itisstillIndigenous.Frommypointofview,wecanseetheprocess ofanewemergingIndigenousculture,aspresented byKummara, as a contributiontothe rising cultural awareness among Indigenous people of Australia. Among other things, Kummararepresentsa“bridge”inbetweentwoworlds,andtwoormorecultures.Thisthesis thenisnottheendofthewomen’sstories;itmightbethebeginningofthechange.

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84 APPENDIXES A. KUMMARA’S REPORTS

Indigenous Children Programme 2006 – Evaluation, July-September 2006 Asregardsclients,thenumbersinKummara’sannualreportforJulySeptember2006saythat therewere213participants,144children,and73families operating with Kummara. These figures are inclusive of family and children’s figures only and include various kinds of activitiessuchas:



 Advocacy,CaseManagementandFamilySupporters

 EmergencyAssessmentandFamilyCounselling

 LinkingtoAuxiliarySupportServices

 CommunityandCulturalStrengthening

 EvaluationProcessandActionResearchMethodology

 Parent/ChildGroups,FamilyActivitiesandCulturalStrengthening

 DropintimeforIndividuals,FamiliesandChildren

 IntegratedSupportforIndividuals,FamiliesandChildren

 InformationandReferrals Kummara also realised several bigger projects with the number of participants over 200. Thosewere:  TheJirunConferenceinMay2006  The See Change ConferenceinOctober2006  Regularwomen’smeetings

85 B. INTERVIEWS I. Dulcie Bronsch (10/08/06), Kummara Family Care, Cultural strengthening and communitydevelopmentworker II. Mary Graham (25/08/06)KummaraFamilyCareCentre,Consultant III. Sue Featherstone (08/09/06), Kummara Family Care Centre, Chief Executive Officer IV. Theresa Mace (13/09/06), Kummara Family Care, Family Support and early interventionworker V. Lilla Watson (31/10/06),KummaraFamilyCare,Consultant VI. Jackie Huggins (08/11/06), Deputy director at Aboriginal and Torres Strait IslanderStudiesunitattheUniversityofQueensland Speakers in the interviews: J–Me,D–Dulcie,M–Mary,S–Sue,T–Theresa,L–Lilla, H–Jackie

86 I. DULCIE BRONSCH

10/08/2006, Kummara Family Care - Cultural strengthening and community development worker

Position and qualification : Dulcie works in Kummara Indigenous Family Care Centre as a Cultural strengthening and community development worker. She graduated in community management (Advanced Diploma)inSydney. Personal history :Dulciewasbornin1956andgrewupinCullumullainSouthWestvQueensland.Herparents were from Gungari and she belongs to Kommai tribe. Her mother was a house wife, and her father was a solicitor.ButhediedandhermothermarriedaGermanimmigrant.Dulciewenttoprimaryandhighschoolin Brisbane.Thenworkedinamedicalcentre,inAboriginalartindustry,inMusgraveparkcommunity,andstarted to work for Kummara Association in 2004. In 2004, she accomplished her further education in community managementinSydney.Sheismarriedandhastwoboys,33and32ofage.Oneisacommercialpilotandthe secondalandsurveyor. We were mainly talking about Kummara Indigenous family care centre’s goals and principles. This organisationhasrecentlycomewithanewactivityinvolvedinAboriginalwomen’sbusiness.Dulcieisincharge ofthe See Change conferenceonAboriginalwomen’sissuesthattakesplaceinOctober.Iamcurrentlyhelping Dulciewithitspreparation.

Keywords: Kummara’s objectives, women’s issues, traditional role, gender roles, women’s law, rites of passage

J: Dulcie,canyoutellmethe basic facts about your organisation and its activities? D:Ofcourse.Sotheprimaryactivityisachangeagent.Itmeanswearemediatingallchangeinpoliciesofchild safe.Wecooperatewiththedepartmentofchildsafety,wedocounsellingforfamilies,andwemakeaneffortto encouragepeopletogettheirchildrentostudy.ImportantisthatwebuildtherelationsbetweenWhiteoffices andIndigenouscommunity(itmeansinnercitycommunity,buttheycanalsogooutsidethescope)andmake corporate projects. The projects you know look like getting together at fire, playing the guitar and stuff like that... J: Andwhydidyouincorporate the women’s issues? D:Wejustwantmoretimeforwomen.Youknowtherearetoomanymeneverywhere,inpolitics.Theyseemto bethemorepowerful.Womenareresponsiblefortheirkids.TherearetworolesofmentodaybuttheWestern society’smodelhasbeenoverwhelmingthetraditionalonenow.Andallthisiscausingproblems. See Change conferencewantstomakewomentomakedecisions.Whilemenareoftenthespokesmenandspeakonbehalfof women,wewantwomentospeakforthemselves.Weneedtotakebackourplaceinsociety.We’vehadallthese problemsinNorthernTerritoryjustrecentlyaboutchildrenassaultsand...Imeanwomenshouldhavetakenup thatdiscussionbecausethereshouldn’tbethemancominginthereandwantingtohavethechildrenaway.They havealreadytakenusawayyearsandyearsago.Theycannottakeusawayagain.Don’ttakethechildrenaway take away the perpetrators. Men’s thinking is far different to women’s thinking. We have different values differentunderstanding...TherearelotsandlotsofgoodstaffthatIcouldtellyouaboutwomen.Andthat’swhy wearedoingthe See Change conference.It’s notjustonething.It’sjusta startofwherewewannago.We wannagetwomeninpositionofmakingdecisionsonbehalfofAboriginalfamiliesandchildren.Sothat’swhere wearegoingatthemoment.Andyouknow,I’vebeentalkingtoalotofwomen(pause)inthelastyearIwould sayandtheyallsay,thesamething,“it’sawomen’stimetohaveago”.Andwearenotbeggingmenatall.We justthinkthatwecandoabetterjob.Actuallyweknowthatwecandoabetterjob,hey(smile). J: Does it mean that you want to get your traditional role back, to establish men’s and women’s business again? D: Yes, there is something we want to bring again. Nowwe’vecometothissocietywhereourmenarethe spokesmenandtheyaretakingontheWesternsociety’srolesastheyseetheworld,youknow.That’snotforus. Wedon’twantthatbusiness.Wewanttogetbacktotherewherewehadthecontrolofthewomen’sbusiness andtheyhavetheirownbusiness.Wedon’twantmentotalkonbehalfofusanymore.Andthat’swhatthe conference is about. And we will have series of forums after that conference because we wanna reconstruct

87 Aboriginalwomen’slaw.Ihavealreadybookedacentreforthese forums wheretheLawreconstruction will continue.Theywillbetakingplaceeverysixweekstokeepthetalktokeeptheenergy... J: Whythe name “ See Change ”? D:That’sinterestinghowwecameupwiththisnameandthelogo.Becausewe’vehadlotsofwomenaround talking about “we want to sea change”, so See Change comes from women wanting sea change. And “sea change”iskindofyouknowwhenpeoplewanttogotothebushandseetheirchange.Seethe“basevalue”. Theycallit“seachange”becauseyouwanttochangeyourself. J: SoeverythingthatappearsinyourprogramistheresultsofyourcommunicationwithMurriwomen . D:Yes,that’sright. J: Bytheway,whatdoesitmean Murri women andwheredoesitcomefrom? D:ItjustmeansAboriginal.Itcamefromnowhere.IthinkitcamefromNorthQueenslandwayperhaps...around 1970’s.WeusedtobeGooriescausedownintheNewSouthWalestheyusedtocallthemselvesKoories.ButI don’t know where we picked up or how we picked up tobecalledGooriesyouknow.I’dliketobecalled Goorie,butanyway(smile). J: SowhatdoMurriwomenthinkabouttheirpositionintoday’ssociety? J:Thegeneralthingisthatthemajorityasthegovernmentismaledominated,therearenotenoughwomenin politics,therearenotenoughwomenmakingdecisionsthatformthepolicysupport.Sowesaylook,youknow, itisourturnnowtogainthestaffthatmencurrentlyhaveholdof.It’snotjustinBrisbane,buteverywherein Queenslanduptothenorththatallfeelitsame.Womenhavedifferentsetofvalues;differentcompassionand understandingandItellyouthatwewouldbeabettersocietyifwehadwomeninthosepositions. J: Sowhatisthemain change in the Law you want to make? WillitbethesameasyourLawinthepast?

D:Well,thereweresomeprinciplesthatwearecalling“Law”.ThemainproblemisthatourLawisnotbeing recognised.Somepeoplemightcallitfolklaw.Butwewanttoreconstructitandmakeitgenuine. J: Soallthiscontainingthisorganisationisbeingpaidbygovernment? D: Yes, it’s under Federal Commonwealth government founding – the department FACSIA (Family and CommunityServicesandIndigenousAffairs).(Theorganisationisnongovernmental.) J: Whenyoutalkabout helping families itcontainsmainlycounselling? D:Iftheyhaveanyproblemsconcerninghousing,education,socialsupportwehelpthem.Ifkidsareindanger wetrytogetthemofftheirfamiliesortointervenenotletthingshappen.Butit’snotjustchildren,wedoother services,youknow.Wegetlotsofwomenwhowantforexampleleavetheirmensowehelpthemtogetaway. Whatothersupportwedo?Itdependsonwholocksinthedoor,whoneedsahelp.Andwereferthemtoother servicesdependingonwhattheirproblemis.TherearequiteafewhomelessservicesinSouthBrisbanehere. OneofthemainisWestEndCommunityHouse.Hmm,theydoabsolutelywonderfulwork.It’samainstream organisationandtheytakecareofallthetenants,youknow.Wehaveaverybigpopulationofhomelesspeople here.Nowthegovernmenthasjustboughtinthesemoveonpowersthatcanjustmovethemfrompublicparks whentheybecomeamenace.AndallthedevelopmentwhichishappeninghereinWestEndistakingoffallthe landsothereislessspacesforhomelesspeoplethereislessspaceforAboriginalpeopletokindofmeettogether safely. So they made these strange laws which really don’t fit with us. The government policy which they broughtinandwhichtheystillbringintodaydirectlyavertstheconnectionsthatAboriginalpeoplehadwith landandplantswhicharetheiridentity.TheyarestilldoingittodayandIhaveseenhowourpeoplehavebeen displaced all the time as I have been a development worker so I have also got all the feedback from the communityyouknow.Soitstillcontinuesallthetime... J: One of your preferred activities for the future is also initiation. Can you tell me more about how do you imaginecomebackofthisritual?

88 D:Initiationasbringingfromchildhoodtomanhoodwaspracticedforeverinoursociety.Thenithasstopped for last hundred years and we wanna bring that back. We want to develop programs for our families on Indigenouswayofparentingandbringitback.Andwewillbringitto See Change forumaswell.Wewantto move these cases as critical development. Cause our kids are all...you know are feral, they’re sniffing petrol (chroming), drinking alcohol...you know what our kids are doing these days... Because they’ve got no role models(myremark:leaders,acknowledgedpersons)either,youknow.Iftheyhadahardtimewiththeirfamily or whatever reason...they lack that male teacher you know and that’s the stuff we wanna call back and even practice and... We have actually put an application the National Community Crime Prevention Program in CanberrathatcouldhelpustodevelopanIndigenouswayofparenting.Andwewannatrainupourcommunity into delivering it to other communities because we wanna take it to other communities around the state. We wannamakeitforeverybodysothattheyhavethesametrainingofadultprevention.Wearedevelopingthis programwithQueenslandUniversitySocialWorkdepartment. J: Would this initiation concern both young boys and girls? D:Oh,yes.Theritesofpassagewillhavebothgroups.Wehavealreadytalkedtoourorganisationthatdeals withyoungkidsandyounggirlsshalldoit.We’vegotaboyskindofsupportonthenorthsidesotheygonnabe ourpartnersintherelationship.Sowewillgetthemclose.Andit’snotjustclosedwithintheorganisation.Ifa younggirlwithhermumwastocomethroughthat’sfinetoo,youknow.Butitwillbeyoungmenandyoung women,youknow.Themenwillhavethemenandthewomenwillhavethewomen. J: That’sfinethatsomanypeopleareconcernedaboutit. D:Yeah,buttogetfundingforthisyouknowit’sabigbusiness. J: Ibelieveso. D: So we need these partnerships to get the department give us funding. They want us to make those partnerships.SoweworkwithUQbecauseallthestuffhereareformUQ,exceptme.Allaresocialworkershere (laughter). J: Andwhatdidbringyoutodothis? D:I’vedoneadvancedhomeandcommunitymanagementyouknowthat’sabout...Sothat’sjustexactlywhatI dohere,whatIhaveskilledupatuniversity.ItwasforthreeyearsandIwentdownfourtimesayearfortwo weekblocks.Iwasstayingatcampus.ItwaswonderfulthereinSydney.Yeahsowehaveafamilysupportand earlypreventionworkerbutyoureallyneedtohavealsoacommunitydevelopmentworker.Youhavetobuild relationshipstogetfamiliesinsoit’saboutbuildingtheserelationships. J: Anddidyouhaveany personal reason for women’s issues support? D:Oh...it’sacall;it’sacallfromwomen.Andthat’sapartofwhatwedohere,youknow.Ifacertainpartof communitywantstoestablishsomethingIjusthelpthem...HaveyoubeentoWestEndbefore? J: No,Imusthavealooknow.AndIknowthattherearesome family nightsinMusgravePark(traditional meetingspotofAborigines).Therewillbeaplayingandvariousceremoniessuchascoroborees.Do youuseitforsinginganddancing? D:Yes,ortheyusuallycallthemselvesdancers.Wedon’tusethewordcorroboreeunlesswehavea bigcorroboree.Butwedothewelcomeceremonies...andwealsohaveaneldertodothiswelcome.Thereare manythingsgoingonallthetime. J: Iamveryinterestedinallthis.Iwouldlovetoseeaceremony. D:Yeah,wewilldosomethingattheconference.Wewanttogetsomewomendancers...Idon’tknowwherewe aregonnagetthemfromyetbutIwillfindit.AndwemightgetanAuntieAlice,sheisoneofoureldersandshe isninetyyearsofage.Shedoessmokingceremoniessoshemightdothatforusat See Change conference.She isourspecialelderandwewouldlikehertobethere.Becausealleldersdosmokingceremonywhenyouhaveto betaughtorgivenpermissionor...Youhavesmokingceremonyfordifferentthingsfordifferentculturalevents. Insomepartsofthecountryonlymenareallowedtodosmokingceremonies.Sothat’sfinethat’sthereintheir countryyouknowthat’s“there”(smile).It’slikea,adidgeridoo.Iwasalwaystoldthatwomenarenotsupposed

89 toplayitbutthereareotherwomeninothercommunitiesandtheyhavesmalleronesandtheyareallowedto play those you know? It’s different you know? Every clan groups have their own rules as their terms of reference.Andthat’salsowhatwewilltalkaboutatSee Change conference. J: Yes,that’sgoodtoknowbecauseIreadtheseanthropologicalbooksthataretellingyouabout the roles of women and roles of men, differentrulesandthings... D:Yesweareverystrictaboutourrulesandthat’sthewayitis.Andit’sgoodyouknowbecausewewereequal to men and that is what we wanna bring it back the way it was. They had their men’s business and were in chargeofhuntingandwehadourbusinessandwereinchargeofchildrenandgatheringfoodandstufflikethat. Weallhadourrolestoplay. J: Andtherewas no dominance. D:Nodominanceatall.Wewereequalpartners. J: Ithinkeveninreligion–inceremoniesthatwomenwereinvolvedininitiation,giftexchangeormourning ceremoniesandsoon... D:Yes,wecallmourningceremonies“sorrybusiness”.Andthat’swhenyou’remourningorwhen(pause)all thecommunityisindeepemotionalstress,usuallyincaseofdeathorsomethinglikethat.Thatcommunitymay bemourningformonthsorweeksorwhateveryouknow.Itcanbealongperiod II. MARY GRAHAM

25/08/06, Kummara Family Care Centre, Consultant

Position and qualification :MaryiscurrentlydoingcounsellingandresearchatKummaraFamilyCareCentre. Graduated(BA)insocialpoliticsatUniversityofQueensland. Personal history :MarywasborninBrisbanein1948.BothherparentswereAborigines.Herfatherwasfrom Kombumerri and her mother was from Waka Waka community (North of Brisbane). She grew up in SouthportandwentworkingtoBrisbane.Sheworkedmainlyasacookandthenstartedtoworkinsocialwork departmentofAboriginalaffairs.ShedepictedherwaytoMosmen(NorthernQueensland)in1969asaturning point in her life. She was shocked seeing the terrible poverty that Aboriginal people up there lived in. She stamped this event as a real eye opener. “It was exactly like seeing thirdworld poverty. Another crucial experience was all her engagement in social work and community work where she saw the “bad politics” of these institutions. After these two personal experiences she decided to finish her high school and go to the Universityandgetherdegree.ShestudiedpoliticsattheUniversityofQueensland(BA).Then,shewentinto communityworkinchildcareandbecameabigfriendofElizabethWatson(Aboriginalartistandwriter)who wasalreadyalecturerintheSocialWorkdepartmentatUQ.ThenLillaWatsonaskedhertoworkasatutorat thedepartment.Thenshecameoutofthecommunityanddidvariousjobslikechildcareagain,engagementin Native Title claims, own business as a counsellor in community development and crosscultural awareness (workingwithWhiteAustralians).Shehasoneson. Currently, Mary is preparing a paper on rites of passage for See Change conference concerning Aboriginal women’sissueswhichwillbeheldinOctober2006. Herstrongbackgroundisinphilosophy.

Keywords: Aboriginal women’s business, Law, Aboriginal social structure, impact of colonization, rites of passage, terms of reference, cultural influence, White and Black movement, equality, family, male’s dominance, continuity of culture

J: Mary,IamquiteinterestedinanythingconcerningAboriginal women’s business. Wheredoesitcomefrom andwhatarethebasicideas?

M:Thisthingissomethingsimilarallaroundtheworld.Youprobablyhaveheardaboutit.Becausethereisalot ofsimilaritieswithourlothere.WeoftengettogetherwithAmericanorCanadianIndiansbecausesomeofthe thingsareverysimilar,youknowsimilarproblems,similarthingsthathappenedhere.Eventhoughincolonial daysourlotdidn’thavesobigtribalwarswithWhitefellows,youknowitwasn’tthatkindofwar,battleslike

90 Indianwars.Itwassortofmorelikeguerrillawarfareherelikesmallbandsofpeoplewhoattackedthemission stationsandlikethat.Buteverythingelse,likeallthesocialproblemswereroughlythesame.Liketheterrible poverty,dominationbyWesternstuff,Western ways,enslavementofcourse,terribleviolence,aninabilityto handle alcohol, you know alcohol have been used to dominate the people here. There were policies of impoverishment, you know stolen wages and generations andoverdecadesthat happened.Theydeliberately madethempoor. J: Doyoumeaneconomicalpovertyorevencultural? M:Yes,evenculturalpoverty,thelossofidentity.Therearethousandsofpeoplelivinginterriblepovertyinthis country.Youwouldn’tknowitifyoutalktomostAustralians–“thisisawonderfulcountry”,youknow,“thisis ethicaland...“ J: Yes.That’salsowhatEuropeanpeoplethink.ThatAustraliaissuchanopenandmulticulturalcountry.But sometimesIhavesomedoubtsaboutit.

M:Yes,it’stheotherwayaround.Yeah.ThereweredifferentWhitefellowswhocamehere.Notallofthem wereconvicts.AlotofthemwerebutalotofthemwerethelowerclassWhitefellows,youknowliketheclass systeminEngland...Theywerethelowclasswhowenthere.TheoneswhowenttoCanadaandtheoneswho went to India were all different. The ones who wenttoAfrica weredifferentagain.They werealldifferent classes.Buttheoneswhocameherewerethemostuneducated,thelowestclasswhethertheywereconvictsor not.Sothathadalotofimpactonthewaythissocietyoperatedsoitwasthe,whentheycamehereitwasthe firsttimethattheyhadsomeonewhotheyperceivedtobeunderneaththem,someonetoruleover.Andthat’s whentheterriblecruelhappenedyouknow,theterriblecruel.SotheoneswhowenttoSouthAmerica–how weretheycalled?–ThePuritans.Theywenttherebecauseofreligiouspersecution,youknow,inthe1600or whateveritwas1500.Sothat’swhyreligionissoimportantforAmericans.Whereasforthemobthatcamehere, religionwasabsolutelynothing.Theywerepeoplewhoweren’twantedbasicallybytheirownpeople,theywere dumpedin.Thathistorian,what’shisname,Hughes,RobertHughes,anAustralianhistorian.HecallsAustralia “agulag”.Hesaidthat’showourpeopleweredisplacedhere.AndIthinkit’sprettyrightasprisonersusedtobe sentfaraway.SotheycoulddowhatevertheylikedwithAboriginalpeople.Andtheyactuallydid.Sotherearea lotof similarthings.Irememberseeingadocumentary onanIndiancommunityin CanadaIthink. Allthe problems they went through were almost absolutely the same, a real image of some of the problems of communities here terrible corruption, domestic family violence, child abuse, terrible alcoholism and drug taking. The place was just absolutely trash at the time, fights spreading in among young people, young men especiallyhangingaroundandfrighteningeverybodyandmurdersatreallyhighrate.AndthatwasanIndian communitybutexactlythesameimageasofoneofourshere–inthenorthorinthewest.It’slikesystemic,you knowwhatImean?Abreakdownofsystems,thesocialandlegalsystem–there’snolegalsystem,there’sno law,norWestern,norAboriginal.There’sjustnolawatall.Soit’sawildplace,youknow,it’sreallylikeferal. J: Ihaveheardabout three kinds of law – black one, White one and bullshit law. Whatdoesthebullshitlaw mean?

M: Yes, that’s right. It means that when traditional Law is not working properly there will be all kinds of opportunists.LikeCook...Sotheywouldcometotheforum,tothe“woodwork,”youknow,andtheywouldsay whatthelawis.It’sacorruption.ThereistherealtraditionalLawandthenthereisacorruptionofthetraditional Law.That’sthebullshitlaw.That’sthelawwheremensay“ohyes,weruneverything,youknow,andwomen sortoffollowbehind.It’sabsolutelyrubbish. J: Isitaboutpeoplerunningthesystemfortheirownbenefit ? M:Fortheirbenefits,that’sright.Theyarepeoplewiththeiragenda,whereasinproperAboriginalLaw you couldn’ttakepower.IthasbeencalledpoliticsofcheckmateinAboriginaltraditionalsociety. J: WhendoyouthinkdidtheagendaofAboriginalwomen’sbusinessapproximatelystart? M:Oh,IthinkyouprobablycannotpinpointitanywherebecauseIthinkitstartedassoonasEuropeancameto thecountry.Whencolonialismcameheretheyalreadystartedtooppresspeople.Thewholecolonialadventure justsortofcamecrushingdowneverybody.Sopeople,Aboriginalmenandtheirlawhavebeenemasculated.Do youknowwhatitmeans?Theirlegitimacyandtheirvalidityweretakenaway.Sotheyhadnopoweranymore, soWhitemensimplyimposedtheirown.(Shestartstopaintpictureofanetandapictureofpyramid.)Thisisin thatpaper(myremark:thepapersheissupposedtoreadat See Change conference),abitphilosophical.

91 J: Ilikephilosophy. M:Oh,doyou? J: Oh,definitely.Istudiedhumanities.Anthropologyandhumanities,it’sallquiterelated . M:Oh,Ilikephilosophy.Ihavemysuspicionsaboutanthropology.Because,youknow,Indigenouspeopleall aroundtheworldcomeoffbadly.WhenIwenttoUni,Istudiedpoliticalscience.Actually,Ibecameaverygood friendlecturerthere–Kubalkova,VendulkaKubalkova.Doyouknowher?Sheisbrilliant;sheismorebrilliant thenallofthoseacademics.ShehaswrittenabouttenbooksonMarxism.Andshetalkedaboutvariousthings. AboutthePragueSpringandlikethat.(ThensheisaskingmeforVaclavHavel).Anyway,thisistheAboriginal kinshipsystem(showingmethenetpicture). J: Herewego.It’squitecomplexisn’tit? M:Yes,it’sanunbelievablesystem.Istilldon’tgetitandit’sdifferentfromplacetoplace.Thisisalateral system(pointingonpyramidpicture).DoyouknowwhatImeanbylateral?Sidewayssystem.Whereasinthis systemhere–noGod,noking,nopresident,alltheupperclassandthemiddleclassandthelowerclass.Butthat (pyramid) has been imposed on this. It’s completely dominative. And from the beginning everything was dominated.Itcausedbreakdowns,culturalbreakdowns.Becausemen,Aboriginalmen,youcanseethatmenare onthetop.Menareuphere(pointingatthepicture)andwomenaredownhere.Eveniftherehavebeenakingor queenorso,itisstillahierarchyofsomesort.Andtheindividualisextremelyimportant;itmakeshiswayup, his ambitions and things. Whereas here (pointing on the net picture), you can’t be like that. There’s no democracy.Youknowit’snotademocraticsystem.(Thensheputs“elders”inthetoplayerandmenandwomen inthebottomone.)That’sthenearestthingtoahierarchyhere.Theyarenottruehierarchy;theyarenotkings andqueens.Theycantellyouwhattodoonlybecausetheyareoldandhavegotgreyhair.Youhavetobediffer tothem,youknow,differ.Buttheycan’tactuallytellyouwhatto...theycan’torderyoulikeapoliceman.You areyourownperson;youareyourownboss.Andmenandwomenaretheirownboss.That’swhyitissoawful now,thatwhatisnowisnotAboriginal,youknow,whatyouseeontheTVnews,isnotAboriginal.Thewhole pointwasnottohaveahierarchy.It’snotagoodidea.BecauseinspiritualworldthereareDreamingancestors andthereisawholelotofthem. J: Soshouldtheybeonthetop? M:Theyaresortofonthetopbutthereisnooneofthemmoreimportantthantheother.It’snotlikeahierarchy ofDreamingancestorswherethemoreimportantonesareuphere(showingthetopofthepyramid).It’salmost likeapanelofDreamingancestors.Thereareanumberofthem.Whattheyactuallyareistheoriginaltemplate ofthefloraandfauna.Sobigredkangaroos,koalas,snakes,greenants,fish...allthefloraandfauna.It’sthe original land. And land has invented all that. And when you really listen to these Dreaming stories you just imaginethatsomebodyhastakenthestoryofevolutionandmadeitsacred.It’sjustlikethat.Becauseallthose beingsarefromtheearthandtheycomefromincludingpeople.Sopeopleare,obviously,fromtheearthtoo. Anddoyouknowthatsaying“AsinheavensoonEarth.”Itmeansthatifyouhaveaspiritualideathenyour socialandpoliticalkindofsystemisgonnamatchthat.Sothat’swhatthatspiritualgroundislike.There’sno God,there’snoheavenandhell,itdoesn’texistandthereisnoparadise.Sowhenyoudieyouarewithyour ancestors,youdon’tgotoheavenoranythinglikethat.Thereisnoemotionalperfectibilityofhumanbeings. Andwhatyouhavetodo,andnobodywilltellyoubecauseyouhavetolearnstaff,tolearnandgrowinyourself andyourwisdom.Andallpeople–notallofusarebuttheyaresupposedtobelikeatemplate,exempla.And menandwomen,ofcoursetheyareseparatebutequal.Becausetherearesuchthingslikemen’sandwomen’s lawandwomen’sspirituality.Itdoesexist.Ifitwasarealpatriarchythenthewomen’slawwouldn’tevenexist. Itwouldn’tevenbethere.Ofcourse,ifitwasathentherewouldn’tbemen’slaw... J: Soyoumeanitwassomethinginbetweenthesecategories?

M:Yes.Theyarereallyjustcategories. J: Yes,IhavejustrealisedthateverytimeIhavereadabout structure of traditional Aboriginal society it was presented as a hierarchy model with elders on the top, then adult men, adult women etc. M:Yes,that’srightbecauseWesternanthropologistscannotgetoutofit.Thosearetheirvaluesyouknow?And allyouhavetodoislookattheirbeliefsystems.AboriginalbeliefsystemhasnothingtodowithoneGod.Ifit

92 wasthenyouwouldhaveafatherasaheadofahousehold.YouknowwhatImean?Soit’snotthesame.It’s verydifferent. Andallofthisisbasedinaparticularpartofland.SotheKakadupeopleortheWakaWaka peopleareinourplace,youknow.Thelandembedsyou.That’swhyourlandissoimportant. J: AmIrightinsayingthatin today’s hierarchy therewillbeeldermenonthetophavinganoverwhelming power,then,therewouldbeothermen,andthewomenonthebottom? M:Ohyes,that’showitworksnow.EverythingisupsidedownbecauseWhitemanrunthissystem(strongly), basically. They are here (showing the pyramid). And if this is imposed on that, these fellows here (showing Aboriginalmeninthenetpicture),Aboriginalmen,gettheidea–“well,thisisprettygood,welikethat,you know”.DoyouknowwhatImean?Theyareinfluencedbythem,veryinfluenced.Andit’snottosaythatthey areallbadorwrongoranythinglikethat,but...Whitemanwilltalktoabloke,youknow,he’snotgonnatalkto awomen,he’sgonnatalktoanotherAboriginalman.Andthat’swheretheygettheideathattheirsystemmust beimposedalloverheretoo.Itwasjustacompletemistake.Whenwomenanthropologistsstartedtocomeinto this country, they started to talk to Aboriginal women, and they got a completely different view, completely different. They realised that they were quite wrong in all previously. That’s because all the previous anthropology stuff had been made by men, by White men talking to men, obviously. Now, there was a total misunderstandingbetweentheseanthropologistshereandthesemenherequiteoften.Itisrecordedthatthey’d saytothesemaleanthropologists–“well,ifyouwannatalkaboutanythingtodowithwomenyouhavetogoto talk to women about it”. Now, the White male anthropologists saw that there is a kind of dismissing thing, dismissingwomenlike–“well,that’snotreallyimportant”.Butthat’snotwhattheAboriginalmenmeantatall. They meantthataboutanythingconcerning womenorfemalenatureofthesociety, you musttalkto women becausetheyknow,theyknowaboutit.Totalmisunderstanding(repeatedly).Butnevertheless,Aboriginalmen havebeensociallyandpoliticallyinfluencedalotbyWhitemenbecausethat’swhogettospeakallthetime. Youngmenhavetospeakallthetime.Therearewomenspiritualfigures;theycanbehealers,warriors,thereare corroborees,dance,songs,stories,womensacredsites–theyarealloverthecountry.Andifitwasapatriarchy orifitwasahierarchy,thatwouldn’tbeso.Inthe ancient world, I think, in the ancient European world – Romans,Greeks,GermanicandSlavic–theremusthavebeensomewomen’ssitesandwomenmusthavehad somepower.TheremusthavebeenSlavic“Dreamingstories”too,theirlegendsandso... J: Yes,itissaidthattheyusedtobepagans.(AndIcontinuewithtellingherourbriefhistory.ThenItalkabout CzechCatholicism.)

M:AlotofAboriginalpeopleareChristiansnow.Andofcourseit’saculture–differentcultureandreligion. J: Andhowstrongintheirbeliefdoyouthinktheyare?

M:It’sapparentlyhistorical,youknow,missionariescomingin,missionariesweregoingoutallovertheworld, convertedIndians...andthesamething happenedhere. So people thought, well, they became Christians, you know,tosurvive.Butquiteoftenitdidn’thelp. J: Isitpossiblethatitalsohelpedtheminaway,perhapsintheirownbeliefsorhopes? M:Ohyes,sometimesithelpedthem,purely,lifesurvivingly;themissionarieswouldprotectthemfromWhite peoplewhowouldliketokillthem.Theycanbegrateful. J: That’sanunbelievablethoughtthatthefactthattheybecomeChristianswouldsavethemfrombeingkilled... Andifwegobacktothepoint–yousaidatthebeginningthat Aboriginal women’s business musthavestarted with White colonization .Isthatright?

M:Ithink,IamnotsurewhatJackie(myremark:JackieHuggins)wouldsay.ButIthinkthatassoonasyou starttooppresssomeonetheystarttofightback.SoIthinktheyprobablystartedtotrytodothatstraightaway, togetpeopletounderstandthattheydohavetheirownlaw.Eventhoughtherearesomeanthropologiststoday whosay“nothereisnowomen’slaw”.Buttheevidencetheysay...theymightsay“well,look,intheolddays andnotjustintheolddays,butstilltodayinsomeplacesaroundthecountry,therearearrangedmarriages.Like myparentsmarriage.BothmyparentswereAborigines.Itwasalwayssaiditwasacorrectmarriage,aproper one.That’sonethinghowcantwopeoplebetogether.Anotherthingisthatmancanhavemorethanwife.And theywouldsay“that’sanobviousevidenceofpatriarchyisn’tit?”Butifyoureallylookatit...especiallyonthat theyhadmorethanonewife,it’sreallyaneconomicarrangement.It’stodowiththatoldermanhavepower; youngermendon’tintheirtraditionalfield.Sooldermencanactuallychoosewhotheywanttomarry.Butit alsoit’stodowithwhatclanyoubelongto.Theyusethesebloodytermslike“moieties.”Somebodyfromone

93 group must marry somebody from that group, not from that group. So it’s something like a rule or moral or somethinglikethat.Butintheend,whatprovesequalitytomeistheveryfactthatifitwasapatriarchythen therewouldn’tbesuchathingsuchaswomen’slaw.Sotomeitisreallyequal.Andwomen’slawreallyexists. Itisthatanythingtodowithwomen’sbusiness,women’ssexuality,physicality,yourbeliefs,andyourfeelings– only women can pronounce those things. You know like all the business about abortion now. From an Aboriginal women’slawperspective we wouldsaythatonly womancan makethedecisionaboutthingslike that.Notmennotscientists,notanybodyelse.Saythatwewannahypotheticallystartrearrangingthingsherein theWesternsociety.AccordingtoAboriginalwomen’slawtherewouldbetwodifferentchurches–therewould oneformen,oneforwomen,boysandgirls–notchildrenbutafteradolescence–theywouldgotodifferent schools.Whentheywerelittletheycouldbetogetherbutafterpubertytheyhavetobeseparated.Intermsof health, boys and men would go to male doctors, and girls and women would go to women’s doctors. Gynaecologists, you know,thereisalotof malegynaecologists.That wouldbecompletelyagainstthe Law. Onlywomenwouldbeallowedtobecomegynaecologists.That’salltodowithwomen’sbusiness.Soitmeans thatyouareyourownperson. J: Whydoyoucallit business? M:IthinktheyareusingthatwordbusinessinMurriway–inAboriginalway.Businessjustmeanseverything, allthewomen’sissues. J: Itquitemakessenseformebutsomeonemaythingofsomekindofenterprise .

M:Yes,freeenterprises,capitalism(laughter). J: Canyoutellmewhatdoyouthingis important to change now, inthissociety?

M:Well,Ithinkit’sexactlywhat’shappeningnow.Reconstituting,tryingtoreclaimalltheprinciples,theethics andthewaysinwhichtoempowerAboriginalwomen.Especiallythebeliefinyourownsortofpower.Andthat meanssomethingtodowithspirituality,notjusthowtostartabusinessandwinamilliondollars–oranything likethat.Andit’snotjustabouthavinganAboriginalwomanvotedintotheAustralianparliamentandstufflike that. It’s all that too but it’s especially about that Aboriginal women claim their proper role in running the country.Andthat’swhatthisisabout–it’saboutmenandwomenrunningthecountry,notjustmenbutmen andwomenequallyrunningthecountry,lookingafteralltheethicswhichgowithAboriginalLawingeneral. SeeAboriginalLawingeneralistodowithlookingaftertheland,youknow.Andthathasbeeninterruptedso much.It’stakenforgranted,it’snotrespected.It’saboutlookingaftertheenvironment–youknowwhatImean –makingsurethatit’snottoodamagedtoomuch.Wellmenandwomenhavedifferentrolestoplay.Andthey have to keep teaching younger people to know all that. So right at the moment it seems at the moment that Aboriginalmenhavemadetoomanycompromiseswiththedominantsocialsystem.Andthat’swhythereisa vacuum,avacuuminpowernow,inautonomyforAboriginalpeople,independence.Thereisavacuum.Nobody isdoinganythingnobodyisfightingforour...forourlifereally,ourwayofliving,ourprinciplesoranythinglike that.WhitefellowsactuallythinkthatAboriginalpeopledon’thaveanyethics.Wedon’thaveamoralworldbut wedoAboriginalpeopleexistinamoralworld.Andthepointistotrytobringthattotheforum,tounderstand ourselvesandarticulateitforyoungerpeopleandforthewidercommunity.That’swhatAboriginalwomenare concernedabout.BecauseMurrimenhaven’tdoneitwellsofar.Theyhavemadetoomanycompromises. J: Woulditmean a revival of tradition? Orhowwouldyoucallit? M:Ithinkalittlebitofthatisarevivaloftraditionbutthethingisyoucan’tgobackhundredyears,nobody can’t go back to the old days. So some compromise must to happen. But nevertheless there has to be that understanding.Sothat’swhattheyseeasimportantnow. J: How do you imagine the comeback of initiation? (My remark: She usually calls initiation “rites of passage”.) M:Yes,definitely.Theritesofpassage...itcannotbeacurrentcopyoftheoldonebecausethingshavechanged somuch... J: Whataboutthe circumcision?

94 M: Oh, that still takes place. That’s a very important religious thing. What they do now out in those remote placesonthetraditionalareaisthattheygotothelocalclinic.Soit’snotdoneinaroughwayoutinthebushbut it’sdonewithanurseandadoctor. J: Ialsohaveheardabouttheritualdeflorationofgirls.

M:Notcutting,nothinglikeamutilationthat... J: No,Imeanarituallossofvirginity.That’sprobablysomethingyouwouldnotliketobringback. M:No.Idon’tthinkso.Thesethingsmightstillbeinplaceinsomecommunities.Butitdoesnotconcernour community.Wewouldn’torIwouldn’tapproachit,forsure,neitherideologically...soMurrisdon’thavetenet ideologyofthis.Wearelookingatit moreintermsofstrengtheningofcharacter, moralfavour,thatkindof stuff.Yougottaberealistic.Ifsomewomencomefromcertaincommunitiesandtheywantedusinvestigateit, well,thatwouldbeuptothem,that’stheirbusiness.Wewouldn’tsay“thisishowitshouldbedone”. J: That’swhatforexample Kaberry wroteaboutinherbookAboriginalwomen – sacred and profane .

M:(Thenamedoesnotsoundfamiliartoher.)Idon’tknow.AllIknowisthatIwouldbeverycarefulabout readinganythingwhatanyanthropologistsaysaboutanythinglikethat.Becausethereisatradition–notinthis country in Polynesia or Melanesia...I don’t know about American Indians but... I mean Indigenous people wouldquiteoftentellanthropologistsanything.Theyarenotnecessarilylyingbuttheyareactuallyliteral.It’s foundthatthiswasquiteactuallytruewithMargaretMeadwhowasananthropologistof1940s. J: Yes,IknowthatcaseaboutherresearchoftheSamoanculture. M: She was asking them very personal things about sexuality.IamnotprettysurebutIhaveheardreports talkingaboutIndiangroupandotherpeoplesayingthattheydidthesamething.Theyjusttoldanthropologists whatevertheywanted.Soyouhavetowanderhowmuchtruthisthere.Andalsothereisthewholethingofmen andwomenrelations,youknow?Imean,ofcoursethatwomenwouldn’thavebeenacceptedhundredyearsago buttheideaofamantalkingtoawomenaboutmatterslikethatwouldbeveryimproper.Everywhere,inall theseoldIndigenousculturesitisveryimproper.Youwouldhaveawomantalkingtoawoman,youknow,if youwannatogetarealtrueaboutsomething,youknow.Andyouwouldhavementalkingtomen.Butofcourse Westernmenatthattimedidn’tunderstandanyofthosesortsofstaff. J: Andwhatshouldthereestablishmentof the rites improve?Shouldtherebeanyrules? M:Yes,definitely,rulesandethics. J: Andwhatotherthingsshouldbebroughtback?Thingslikeceremonies,corroborees,healing? M:Yeah,healing,eatingcertainthings.Becauseyouwereallowedtoeatonlycertainthings. J: That’swhatshouldbebroughtbackagain? M:Yes,theystilldothat.Stufftodowithespeciallywomen’smenstruation.Onlywomenwouldtalktogirls. Andit’sacelebratorything. J: Andhowwouldthisworkfrom the perspective of bi-cultural coexistence? Wouldithelpinlivingnextto themajorpopulationorwoulditmakebiggerdifferencebetweenWhiteAustraliansandAborigines? M: I think it would be a certain amount of separation. But it would be a strengthening for us. It’s like deconstructingstuff.That’swhatwehavegottodo.Whitefellowshavetogothroughdecolonizationprocess which is deconstruction. And the Indigenous have to go through decolonization too. To deconstruct what we havebeeninfluencedby.Sotherehastobeaseparationinthatsense,ofexamination,ofreflectionandsoon. And that is strengthening. So they would be truly strengthened in the moral, not as in purely dominating economicsense.SothembothwouldbestrengthenedandespeciallyIndigenous,andthenyoucanhavetruly equal relationship. And then you come together. So people have to reclaim things, reconstitute, reclaim. Deconstruct,strengthen,restrengthen,explore...Andexplorethingsasintofittheurbansituation–it’snotgood learningaboutcultureagainbygoingfaroutinthebush.Imeanyoumightgotothebushbuttherealthings gonnahappenrightherewherethepeopleactuallylive,youknow.Becauseit’snottreatingthelandinaproper

95 wayifyousay“ohwell...”,itsonlyinitspristinestatethatitreallymatters.Thelandshouldmeansomething right here when the river isn’t far away. Have a look at the state of the river – is it healthy is it sick, is it polluted?Andsoon.Butthoseritesofpassagearesoimportantbecausenobodyisteachingyoungpeopleabout ethics.Theoldsystem,that’swhatitwasabout.ItwasaboutanAboriginalmoralworld.Andnobodyispassing iton.That’swhytheyare...that’swhythereisdomesticviolenceandabuse.Becausenobodyknowswhatthatis anymore.Becausethishasbeenimposedforsolong, for several generations and every time they wanna do somethingaccordingtoouroldlaws,properoldlaws, theygetknockedon the head. Thereisnotreaty, you know.Atleastinthoseothercountriestheyhavetreaties.Andallthisgetsintoreallymurkyarea.The,allthe socialindices–health,education,employment,housing–allthesehaveimproved.Youcanseeitapparentlyon graphsandstatistics.Theyhaveimprovedacrosstheborder–America,CanadaandNewZealand.Therearestill pockets of terrible poverty over the two. Overall things have improved. Here (stresses), things are going backwards,actually,gettingworseandworse.AndIputitdowntothefactthatthoseplaceshavetreatieswith its Indigenous people and this place doesn’t have treaty. A treaty says that the Indigenous are running their affairs.Theyruntheirownchoice.They makeallthe mistakesbut hey havetheopportunitytoputtheright people into the right governance system. And that’s what’s going wrong here. Democracy is thrown up the wrongpeople.It’sjustnogood.Andthewholedemocraticthing–asIcanseeit–youhavetobeveryrich,very powerful,tostayuptheotherpeople,tomakethevotethewayyouwant.Andit’snotsupposedtohappeninthe democracybutitdoes.InlittleexperimentswithdemocracyamongtheIndigenoushere,that’swhat’shappened. Sothewrongpeoplecometotheforumwiththeirownagenda.AlltheCooksandotheropportunists–theyare theoneswhorunmanyorganisationsandcommunities. J: It’squitetrickywithdemocraticsystemisn’tit?Butthereisnowayoftheonlyrightdemocracy.

M:Itgonnabeadifferent kindofdemocracy.Idon’t know but it doesn’t fit most of the world population actually.CausemostoftheworldisnotWestern(laughter).Theyjustbelieveintheirwayofdoing. J: Andifyouconsider the rites of passage howdoyouthinktheywouldhelpinimprovingthe current moral background? Wouldtheybringinsomekindofrulesororderinyoungpeople’slives?

M:Rulesandorderandespeciallyethics,learningtherulesandethics.Thatwouldbeonepartofit. J: Andwhatwouldbeanotherpart? M:Anotherpartwouldbelookingafterland.That’stheprincipleactually.Thecustodialethiccomesfromthe Dreaming,fromwholenotionofDreamingorDreamings.It’sanethicoflookingafter,notofcontrollingit.And youmaydisagree,buttomethisisacontrollingethic–thisisaGoduphere(pointingatthetopofthepyramid) andthisisakingorpresidentowhateverandtheylaydownrulesforeveryoneelse.Andifthereareethicsinit, it mighteithercome fromeitherareligionorabook or reading a philosopher or something like that. Here (pointingatthenetpicture),wedon’tactually;wedon’tknowinherentlyhowtolookafterothersorourselves. Wehavetoputinpracticetheideaoflookingafterlandthatthenbecomesabigtemplateforlookingafterone another,forhavingacustodialethicoflookingafteroneanother.Learnourselvesfromtheexampleoflooking aftertheland.That’swhyourlandissoimportant.Ifyouexploitlandifyoutreatitcruelly,ifyoudamageitin anyway,orcorruptorcontaminateitthenthat’stheperfecttemplateorexampleofdoingitwitheveryoneelse. Andpartlythat’swhatatthebasisthemeaningoftheDreamingis.Soyouhavetokeeplookingafteryourland. Youcan’tbeethicalinyourideasonly;youhavegottobeethicalinyouraction.Butwithpeoplebeingpeople, that’snotgonnabeethicalautonomybecauseofjealousness,murderousness,andbecauseofsomebodyhasto run for someone else’s woman you know, girlfriend, wife or whatever. But the overall meaning of the social...principles,ifyoulike,wouldbeaboutorareaboutactuallyaboutlookingafterland.Youcan’tenslave people.Nobodyhadafootbackagainstthissystembecausenobodyenslavedanybodyortreatedpeoplecruelly. Andthelandwasn’tseenassomethingtobeconquered,ever.Landwasseenassomethingtobelookedafter. J: Ok.AndmayIjustaskyouabouttheterm “rites of passage”? Doyoumeanjustinitiationbythatorallother “lifechangesfromonestadiumtoanother”?OneauthorcalledArthurvanGennepwroteabookaboutallthese things.Itwon’tbejustinitiationbutwedding,funeral,orevenbirthanddeathaswell.Whatdoesitmeanfor youthen? M:Ohwell.Yousee,thatpaper(theoneshewillreadatSee Change conference)it’slikeadiscussionpaperfor peopletoworkitout.Ifyouwannaputsomethinginwhichyouthinkisimportantforyoungpeoplebecoming teenager.That’sthemajorperiod.Wecan’tgobacktothe...Butalso,yousee,acircumcisiongoesonanyway. TherealAboriginalmenorboysmustbecircumcised.It’sareligiousthing.

96 J: AndevensomeWhiteAustraliansarecircumcisedaren’tthey?

M:Ohyeah.Sometimestheyaretoo.ButIthinktheirmedicalsciencepeoplesay“ohwell,it’syourchoice,you don’t have to, it’s not necessary”. Actually they are just coming around with the other way of thinking that perhapsitisformedicalreasonslikepreventingcancerandallkindsofthings.Thatitisreallygood.Ithoughtit wasreallyfunny,verystrange. J: Anddoyouthinkitsrightthatit’shealthy?

M:OhIthinkitis.Thecircumcisionisright,isproper. J: Backtotheritesofpassage–ifIunderstanditwell,youdon’thaveanyclearideayet.Willthatappearin discussionwithotherwomen? M:Ohyes,that’swhatallgonnabediscussed.Idon’thaveanyideasaboutthosethingsmyselfbutIthinkthat allthosethingswillcomeoutofdiscussion.Andthat’sproperAboriginalwayofconsensus.Iwouldneverwrite down–“Ithinkthatthisiswhatpeoplecouldorshoulddo”or“wemustn’tdothat”.That’sveryWhitethingto do. J: Sothatallwillbepartofthe forum at the conference.

M: That all will be part of that, hopefully. I am not here to talk about what should happened with rites of passage, I am here talking about what people would like to consider. And I would love to get people’s agreementsaboutthatitisnecessarytorevisitus,toexamine...becauseit’sterribletheproblemswehavehere. Terribleviolence,youngpeopleculturallylost,youknow.Somethingconcretehastostarttobedone.That’s howyouwoulddoit.Thatconsensusofdecisioniswhattakesplaceindemocracies.Soyouholdadiscussion aboutwhatwouldsuit.Anothercommunitymightsay“yes,wedowannagetbackthattothatcircumcisionfor youngfellows;girlsshoulddothatandthat.Butanothercommunitymightsaysomethingquitedifferent.Soit depends.Doyouknowthatmap,AustralianAboriginalmap? J: Thecolouredonewithclantribesandlanguages?{Myremark:Themapisonthewallinthehouse.} M:Yes,welllanguages.Theyarenotactual...ofcoursethat’sWhatWhitelinguistscientists’thing.Butroughly itisbasedonwheretribeslive,actually.Theyareallequal.Theyareallautonomousregions.Andallmakesme interestedinthewholethingofthebreakupoftheSovietUniontoo.ButthereareotherplaceslikeIreland, England,Wellsandallofthateverybodywantstobewithhisowntribalgroup.Everybodywantstobewithhis ownsmalllot,whetheritnumbersahundredorthousandormillions.AtthetribesAustraliannativeswanttobe with themselves and so on. This seems like its natural to me. And that is exactly like Aboriginal...like they developedforalongtime.Becauseifithaddevelopedintobigtribes,it wouldn’tendupbeingprivate with chiefs running everything, you know. I always come back to the social and political because that’s my backgroundofstudies,youknowitspoliticalstaff.(ShestudiedpoliticalscienceatUQ.IthinkitisagoodUni, quite conservative, though. But anyway, with these rites of passage it has always been seen that with the interferenceofWesterncultureAboriginalpeoplehavebeencontrolledoversolongthatpeople’sobligationsor responsibilitiesforbringingchildrenupinthismoralworldhavegone,havedroppedaway,youknowwhatI mean? They have been ignored too long. And it’s not a fault of people because you can’t...you’ve been dominatedforsolong,yousimplyhadtolearntosurvive,togetjobs,lookafteryourfamily,livewithoutbeing givenahardtimetoomuch.Sosomethinghasgottago.Andthat’swhatsocialupheavalis,youknow. J: Doyoureadanybooksonthisorarethesejustyourideas?

M:Ihavereadalot,havereadalot.Alotofitcomesfrommybackground,ofreadingphilosophyofsocieties.I havereadafewthingsaboutritesofpassagestuff.Roughlythatwhatgavemetheideaisit’sthesamemodel overtheworldwherevercolonialismwent–it’ssocialupheaval.Enslavementofcourse,interference,continual interference,peoplealwaysundersurveillance.Thenativeswerealwaysundersurveillance.Whethertheywere AfricansorArabs,youknow,whenevertheEnglish,French,SpanishorPortuguesewent,theyjustdidthesame thing.Soeverybodyhad got totrytoclaw their waybacktosomekindof normality. And youcan’tjust go straightawaytosaveyourpeople;you’vegottodeconstructthings.Andthat’sthefirstinstanceoftheritesof passage.Itistohelpcommunitiestostartdiscussingthesethingsandtoreallythinkaboutwhatkindofthings canbebringbacksomekindofnormalitytoourlandandcommunities.

97 J: And as I understand the rites of passage mainly concern young people . Is it because they are the most importantonestosomehowculturallyrecover?

M:Itisthefuture.Theyarethefuture.Youwantthemtobedeliberatereasonablynormal.Wewanttotryto helptheminstability.It’snogoodthinkingandhopingthatthingswillbebetter.Wegottatrytobringaboutthe betterfutureforourpeople. Continuation: Mary Graham , 22/09/2006

J: Whatdoyouthinkabout anthropological representations of urban Aborigines? I have not found much literatureonit. M:No,thereisnotmuchresearchdonewithurbanAboriginals.Thatwouldbegreatifyouwantedto.Ithink thatWhitefellows,academickindofresearchpeople.IthinkthattheythinkthaturbanAboriginalswouldn’tbe too different from the White fellows. That’s a wrong assumption. So they would go to the “real” Aboriginal people,totheremoteplaces. J: It is said that they perceive Aboriginal urban culture as much weaker; they even talk about cultural loss. Whatdoyouthinkaboutthat?

M:Yes,Ithinktheyhavemadewrongandverynarrowassumptionsaboutwhatcultureactuallyis.Theyare very oldfashioned, almost colonial in their view what culture actually is. It’s almost like for example...say Czech–ifyouwereinacostume,wearingatraditionalhatandshoes,somethinglikethat–thenthat’sreal.You knowwhatImean?It’sjustawrongassumptionandmisunderstandingofwhatcultureactuallyis.Youknow, it’s not the external things – that’s only a small part of it of what the real people think and feel. And the researchersdon’tseemtounderstandit.Aboriginalpeoplelikefootball,theyalllikefootball,theylikecountry andWesternmusic–theymightliketraditionalmusictoobuttheylikecountryandWesternandrockandit doesn’tmakethemWestern.LikeJapanesepeople,theyarehighlytechnologicalbutyoucouldn’tsaytheyare Western.No,theyhavedifferentwayofthinkingandphilosophyalltogether. J: If this community work is based on social work, there must have been some influence by the Western societyornot ? M:Yes,thereareawholelotofmethodstodowithcommunitydevelopment.It’ssocialwork.Theywouldhave run courses all the time on community development so lot of social workers they have done the notions of cominginandhelpingcommunities.Howtheydealwiththeirclients,runtheirorganisations. J: SotherewasactuallyabigsupportfromAustralianpart.Isitstillsosmallthatitdoesnotmakeanymore apparentchanges? M:Stilltoosmallandverypoor.AlltheMurriorganisationsareverypoorandcannotdoallthethingstheywant to. J: Becauseoflackofsupport? M: Lack of support, lack of resources. So social workers are coming and trying to work out find ways and methodshowtogetaroundthatortogetfunding,togetmoremoneytodothings.Mostlyorganisationssimply deliverservice.Theydon’tusuallylookattrainingthemselvesorothers;theyhelpthemtodelivertheservice. So there is usually delivering a service or building, training or professional developing. There is usually not enoughmoneytodoboth.Kummaraalsoconcentratesonthatratherthatonactualstraightwelfare. J: AndIhavenoticedthatthereisalsoplentyofresearcharounditfocusedontheactualoutcomesofIndigenous organisations. M:Yes.

J: Whatexactlywasthe ATSIC? M:Itwasdoneawaybyourgovernment.ItusedtobeaDepartmentofAboriginalAffairs(DAA),andbecause Aboriginalpeoplewerelookingforasystemofrepresentation–likedemocracy–theydecidedtochangeDAA toAboriginalandTorresStraitIslandersCommunity(ATSIC).AndATSICwasagovernmentdepartmentwith

98 women’s programs sort of under unelected representative bodies councils. It was led by Aboriginal representativesineverycapitalcityaroundourcountry.Itwasanexperimentindemocracy.Youknow,it’snot ourtraditionalthing,democracy,itsmoreconsensusdecisionmaking.LikemostIndigenouspeopleeverywhere, theydon’tgowithdemocracy.Theytalk.Theyhaveageneralagreementaboutthings.Thegovernmentblamed certainpeoplelikeSugarRobinson–theywereseenasverycorrupted.Butitwasablameputonthem.But ATSICwasverybadlyledanywayfrominternally,fromthegovernment.Sotheywerenevergivenenoughof power,Aboriginalpeople,sotheirdecisionsstillcouldbeoverturned.Soitwasnotdemocraticatall.Plusthey underfundedATSICbyitseemedtobelikeabigmoney–aboutabillionayear–butseethereishalfa millionofAboriginalpeopleinthecountry,weretensofthousandAboriginalpeopleinthecountrylivinginthe thirdworldpoverty–asyoucanseeinAfricaorLatinAmericaorIndia.Itneededmorefundstogetpeopleout of that third world poverty. But the government never did it. This is a very rich industrial country and the Indigenouspopulationisverysmall.Theycouldbeeasilyhelped.Theycouldhavebuttheyweren’tandthey didn’tallowATSICtodothat.SoATSICwasonlyforashorttimebecauseitwasunsuccessful.Buttheytried tosaythatitwasunsuccessfulbecauseofthebadIndigenouspeople.Butit’sfarmorecomplexthanthat.They forexampleexpectedATSICtosay–fixroadonAboriginalcommunities.Imeanroadsareunderthestate.So peoplewouldgotoaskgovernmentforroadsforaccesstocommunitiesbutthegovernmentwouldsay“sorry, wedon’thavethemoney,youhavetogoandaskATSIC”.Butthatwasnottheirresponsibilitytofixroads.So ATSICwasexpectedtodoallthesethingsaroundbutitcouldn’tanditwascriticisedbyWhitefellows. Showingmeapictureinherarticleonwaysofstrengtheningcommunityorganisations. M: It’s strengthening cultural integrity, women’s law and empowerment, strengthening themselves. Healing wouldbethefirststep. J: Andwouldyoucallit tradition? M: Oh yeah. It’s like reclaiming or cultural rejuvenation, or rediscovering. So it was happening and that got destroyedandnowthereisanefforttoidentifythatsortofthingandstrengthenit,andtodothatforwomen because women are the backbone of all the society. Strengthening them means strengthening the whole community. J: Itsalsoaphenomenoninanthropology.Theywouldcallit innovation forexample.Itaddressesthecultural transformationintime. M: Ok. That’s right. It can never be real returning to the old one. It can only be a kind of innovating development, based on some old principles, our old ways of doing things, you know? It’s like what all modernisationisabout.

J: Isittoorigidtoreturnbacktotheoldthings? M:Absolutely,andespeciallyforurbanpeople.Youcannotreturntothewaythingsweredone. J: Howdoyouthinkareurban Aborigines influenced by the mainstream?

M:Yes.WellImeanthingslikeemployment;youhavegottobefullystableandfunctionaltobeablegetajob. Itisonethingtogetjobbutanothertokeepthem. J: If women weresupposedtohavean equal position to their men in the past, howwoulditbeinthepresent urbancontext? M:Today,Ithink,peopleoftentalkaboutthis,thatalotofAboriginalmenhavetakenonthemvaluesofWhite fellows,Whitemenwhotraditionallyhaverunthings–everythinginthesocietyandpoliticsandlikethat.So someseeitisagoodthingbecauseintheoldsystemeverythingwasquiteequal.Andnowtheycandominate. AndIdon’tthingitworksonpeopleinaconsciousway,it’sanunconsciousthing.Idon’tthinkthatAboriginal mensay“well,ok,nowwearethebosses”.Ithinkit’sveryinner,insidetheirminds. J: Andhowitworksinreality?Asyoucanforexampleseein families coming to Kummara? M:Ithink,whatKummarasometimessees,especiallythroughMurrisisters,isdomesticviolence.Sotheysee some of the worst examples of men dominating women but that’s not our tradition that is different attitude. Someanthropologistswouldsaythatmendiddominate.Butiftherewasapatriarchytherewouldnotbethings

99 likewomen’slaw.Buttoday,mostoftheinstitutionsareledbymen.Thatwasnotsoinancienttimes.There weremen’sandwomen’ssites.That’showweknowthattherewasequality. J: Andnow? M:Theyarestillthere.Butinurbancommunitiesithasbeenmadeupsidedown.It’skindofblownapart.So menwanttodominatethings.Womenareonthereceivingendofit.Itisunbalancedatthemoment.Sothereis theattempttorebalanceitagain. J: Isitalsobecauseofthelackofcommunitylife?Thatpeopleareseparatedintheirfamilies,womenspends mostofthetimeathomeandmancanfeelstrongerandso? M:That’sright.Doyouknowthewordatomise,peoplehavebeenseparatedout.Beforetherewasacommunity, youknowrelatives.Nowinbigurbanareas,thereisafamily–theremightberelativesbuttheyarekindoffar away, they are not close – so it’s isolated. They are not together. It is atomised. So it is a big imposal on Aboriginalpeoplebecauseofeconomics,jobs,allthesethings,costofliving. J: And violence? M:Aswell.Sowhenpeopleareisolated,youquiteoftenseeviolenceinurbanareas.Inremotecommunities, therearenojobs,noprivacy,terriblepoverty,terriblehousing,peoplearejustthere,theyarebored,drinking, youknowwhatImean,andthenthere’sthatkindofviolence.Butthat’sdifferenttourbanareaswherepeople arescatteredoutandthenviolencehappensbecauseofisolation. J: AndIhavealsoheardthattheyoftendon’tseethehelpintheirfamilybutoutsideit. M:Idon’tknow...Helporwellfareusedtobebuilt in the community but now they might go outside, to a counsellororsomething.ButthereisanotherplaceinWestEndcalledGallenPlace.Theymighttellyoumore aboutit.Theyarean AboriginalorganisationthatcounselAboriginalclients.Idon’tseepeoplecoming here askingforinternalhelp.Theywouldbeasking“wherecanIgotogetsomehousing?”andthatsortofthings.Or afamilymightcome,amotheroragrandmother,whoneedsomeresourcesfortheirchildren.Theymightneed moneyforeducation,fortheirbooksandso.SoKummararefersthemontootherplacesforhelpwithhousingor legalmannersortravel,anythinglikethat.Butnotstraightcounselling,youknow–“Ihaveaproblem,helpme whattodo”. J: Have you heard about any other organisations around Brisbane who would do similar things like Kummara, like women’s business or particularly rites of passage?

M:No,Ihaven’t.TherearemanyIndigenousorganisationsanditwouldbegoodifyoucouldcontactthemand ask.Butagaintheyaremostlykindof“wellfarish”whichisgood,helpingwithhousing,living.Butthisisthe onlyoneIknowthathelpswiththiskindofstrengthening...youknowbeyondtheline. J: Itriedtoput“Aboriginalwomen’sbusiness”onGoogletheotherdayandthereweresomanythingsfrom Canada. And I also noticed that many Australian studies on community building have been inspired by Canadian models. M:Ohyes,theyarewayaheadofalotofthingsthatAboriginalpeopledo.Also,theyhavebeencolonized longer(500)thanAboriginalpeople(200).Theyareawayaheadofdevelopingdecolonizationprogramstotry tohelpwithpovertyandrejuvenatingstaff,reclamation,reclaimingculturebesideslandrightsandlandtitleand treatiesetc. J: Doyouobserveanyinfluencefromtheirside? M:Ohyeah,definitely.Indiangroups–NativeAmericansandCanadianIndianssometimesgettogetherwith Aboriginalpeople.Nextmonth,thereisanAmericanwomancomingandtalkingaboutgettingcompensationfor somethingtodowithchildren.Soitisquiteimportantforthemobhereasitistodowithstealingchildrenand stealing wages. So she will have a speech for Black women. And the Americans, they are very rich, their compensationissomethinglikeseveralbilliondollarsforhalfamillionpeople,youknow. J: Doyouthinktheyaremoreprogressiveinaway?

100 M:Theyaremuchmoreprogressive.Withtreatieshereitisabsolutelynothing... J: IhavealsoreadthattheyaremuchmoreprogressiveinthingslikecommunitybuildingandIndigenousself ledorganisationsinCanada. M:Theyaresofarahead.AndyoucantalktoAustralians here and they have no problem with the idea of treatiesforAmericanIndians,itisperfectlyallright.Butyoucantalktothemabouttreatieshereandtheywill blowup.Theydon’tliketheidea.It’sfuckingracist.Bloodyracist.ItissomethingpsychologicalinAustralia;it isarealproblemhere. J:MichaelhastoldusthatAustraliansocietybehaveslikeapersonwithdepressionwhichavoidsthings. M:That’scorrect.Theyaregreatinavoidinganddenyingthings. J: Anddoyouthinktherehasbeenany influence by American Black movement? M:Itisactuallyabitdifferent.WearemoreincommonwiththeIndianmobbecauseit’sIndigenousandBlack Americans are not indigenous. There is a terrible racism and real hatred among Black Americans towards Whites,deadlyhate.ButIdon’tthinkit’sthesamewithIndigenouspeoplehere.It’snotrealhatred.Theyareat themercyofhatredactually,Indigenouspeople,sotheydon’tthinkofattackingWhitesoranythinglikethat. J: American movement wasmoreaggressivefromwhatIhaveheard. M:Moreaggressive,theywouldputupwithanything,whereasIndigenouspeoplemighthaveputupwithfights inthebeginningbutlater.Peoplehadfightshere,butsmallerguerrillawars.Butastimewentdowntherewas, shooting,poisoningIndigenouspeopleandso...Soit’sadifferentsituation. J: Andwhatdoyouthinkabout White ? Doyouthinktheymighthavehadanyinfluence onyou? M:Ithasinfluencedmeagainstthemactually(laughter).Theywanttobeequaltomen.AndMurriwomen...it’s notaboutbeingequal,it’saboutrebalancingbacktoequality,toempowerMurriwomenagain.Theyhavegot nothing against Aboriginal men we don’t want to stop them from doing things, take them over or...it’s just different. J: Whywouldn’tyoucallit equality then? M:Well,seethatthey...youmaydisagreebutWhitewomenhavehistoricallybeenatthemercyofverypowerful maleinstitutions.Menrunthechurch;theyrantheparliament,alloftheseinstitutions.Theremighthavebeen oneortwopowerfulwomenbutnottotheextentofwholelotofwomendoingthings.Maybeinmonasterieslike nuns...ortheymighthavebeenaqueenbutithasnothingtodowithwomenrunningthings.SoIthinkfeminism arose as a protest against it. Be allowed to have a vote... whereas Aboriginal women already have had the equality.Theoldinstitutionsintheirsocietyalreadywereequal.Sotheywantrebalancingnow,notequalityas feminists.Wehaveourownworld.Soit’saboutrebalancingofthoseworlds.Becauseit’soutofbalanceand nowit’srebalancingagain.WhereasWhitewomenhavealwaysbeendownhereandmenhavebeenuphereand womenwannaclimbup.That’sverydifficult. J: Wetalkedaboutritesofpassagelastweekandyoumentionedtheimportanceofcircumcisioninboys’lives. Wouldyoustillinvolvecircumcisionintheritesofpassageyouarecallingfor? M:Iwould.Formanymothersitisunthinkabletoavoidcircumcision.Youhavetodoit.Occasionally,thereisa youngfamilythatdoesn’tbother,butformostofthefamiliesIhavecomeacrossitisanormalthing,proper thingtodo.

J: Whatdoyouthinkaboutmeusingtheterm “innovation” inIndigenouscultureinmythesis?

M:Ithinkinnovationisgoodbecausewedon’twannacopysomeinherentstructures.Weneedtoadaptthem,to innovatethem.Ithinkinnovationsoundsgood.

101 I asked Jackie the same thing as I will ask you now. How would you say can we prove the continuity of unwrittenIndigenouscultureandthefactthatithasneverbeenlost?Inotherwords,howdoyouthinkhasbeen the knowledge passed down throughout the Australian history ,fromgenerationtogeneration? M:WhatIusuallysaytothisquestionisthatcultureisadoublesidedthing.Thereareexternalmanifestationsof it that can change, whereas internal structures remain. It is difficult to lose them as people still think in that particular way. Andthat’s whatJackiesaidthattheypassiton withstories,it’saprompt.Youknow whatI mean?Itkeepsyouthinkinginthosewaysdespitesallthechange. J: Youprobablyknowthatthetypicalphrasesanthropologistswouldsayarethat Indigenous people refuse anthropology, but on the other hand use ethnographies and draw on them all the time because they have partly lost their culture.

M: I think that people accept some things. But the typical discussion revolves around where we came from. Anthropologicaltheoriesclaimthatwecamefromsomewhereelse,whereaswesaythatweweremadehuman here,onthisplace.Andtherearenodreamingstoriestalkingaboutanythingelse.Butitisalsostillanewthing forustodescribeourselves.Itjellswithwhatyouknow,youknowwhatImean?

III. SUE FEATHERSTONE

8/9/2006, Kummara Family Care Centre, Chief Executive Officer

Position and qualification: SuewasoneofthreefoundersofKummaraFamilyCareCentreandiscurrentlyits CEO(ChiefExecutiveOfficer).Shegraduatedinsocialwork(MA)atQueenslandUniversityinBrisbane. Personal history: ComingfromaremotecommunityMulinjali(Bundjabeng)fromLaganRiverinRathdowney inSouthernQueensland,Sue’sfamilydidnothaveanyevidenceofherdateofbirth.Shesaysthatshewasborn sometimeduringtheSecondWorldWar.HerfatherwasaScotman(ThisareawasnotsettledbyWhitesettlers till1952.ThenlotsofdairyfarmballotswerebuilthereandrunbyScots.HermotherwasIndigenous.Shewas removedtoastationbecauseshewasverygold,notblack.HerfatherwasaChristian,notstrong,andmother wasmainstreaminherbelief.FamilymovedfurtherupNorthernQueenslandtoMaalantosettletheirfarm.Sue wasremovedfromherfamilywithherbrotherintheageoftwelvebecausetheyweretoopaleastheirmother. Theywereplacedinseveralfamiliesandtheirfatherwouldcomeandgetthemback.Thenshelivedatamission further in Central Queensland.Then she went working at a station. She says that it was actually fun but she recallsinnutritiousfoodtheywerefedwith.Itwasmostlybreadandhoneywhichshebecameaddictedtosince then.Theydidnothaveanyfruitandvegetableandchildren’shealthwaspoor.Shealsolivedinafosterhome foratime.SheescapedfromthestationwhenshewasfourteenandwenttoMelbourne.Shehadavisionthat thatwastheplaceshehadtogoto.Nothavinganything,shestayedinthestreets.Eventually,communistparty found her, took care after her, and educated her. Therefore, she says that she cannot say anything against communists. With their support, she started to work in a Commonwealth Bank. Eventually, her communist attendantsfoundherparents.Theyhadbeenremovedfromthecoastastheirlandwasusedforbuilding.She stressesthataftermeetingherparents;relationshipwithhermotherwasneverthesameagain.“Iwasactually reallydisconnected.Isaidallthewordsoflovebutdidn’tcare.”Sinceshestartedtostudyandworkshehada constantfeelingthatshemustbeperfect.ShewantedtoshowthatshewasIndigenous,educatedandthebest. Butsherealisesnow,thatshemissedclosercontactwithpeopleandtheseparationfromhermothermadeher emotionally“shallow”.Sheadmitsthatshehasneverhadreallydeepfeelingstoanymanandthatheremotional tieswithmen wereproblematic.Shewasveryindependent.“Oncetheygotintomyway,Igotoff.”Shehas threechildren,twoboysandagirl.Whenshestoppedtellingmeherlifestoryshesaid:“Idon’thaveanidea whyamItellingyouthisboringstory.”SuegraduatedinsocialworkatUQ whensheretired.Shehasthree children. She said that she has been reading mostly social work literature recently but she also likes reading familyhistories.Youcanalwaysfindconnectionsthankstothat. Keywords: beginnings of Kummara and its objectives, Kummara’s programs, racial tolerance, men vs women, cultural influence, Stolen generations

J: Sue,canyoupleasetellmesomethingabout the beginnings of this centre? S:IhadworkedfordifferentIndigenousorganisationcalledKoolyangarra,alsobasedonfamilycare.Then,I left and started Kummara Family care centre with another Indigenous woman Leslie Clements and one of Dulcie’sverygoodfriendswhoisnowveryseriouslyill,PaddyDavidson.Whathappenedwas...therewasan

102 organisationthatwasthelegislativeagencyforchildprotectionandweendedupclosingbecauseofaserious financialmismanagement.SoabunchofAboriginalwomengottogethertotakeoverthechildprotection.And wedidn’twinthatbitbutwekeptthesameorganisationasKummara,andthenweputinfortodoafamily support,andthat'showitstarted. J: Andtheprimaryorganisationwasnongovernmental? S: Nongovernmental. But it was a legislated agency. In Queensland you have agencies that were legislated underthedepartmentofchildsafetytolookafterchildnotifications. J: Andwere the participants of those organisations allIndigenous? S:Yes,justIndigenousworkers.ButyoudohavenonIndigenouswithinthedepartmentofchildsafety.Andyou havetheAICCA'swhoarepartofthelegislation.Youhavethemainstreamchildprotectionagenciesandyou havetheAICCAwhoaresupposedtoundertakethechildplacementprincipleforAboriginalchildren.Sothey sortofstandoutsidethedepartmentofchildsafetybuttheyarelegislatedtoworkwithchildsafety.Sothat’s howKummaracameabout,thatAboriginalwomanwantedtotakecontrolculturallyovergrowingupchildrenas wenotsawitasamale’splace.Menwerenotinvolvedinbringingupchildrenuntilchildrenreachedpuberty. Andthenboyswenttolivewithmenandgirlswenttolivewithwomen.AndtheAICCA'shavehadalotofmen intoitandwesawitmusthavebeenfailingthechildreninthatarea.Sothenwegotverypoliticalandtriedto takethemover. J: Sodoyouthinkthatinthissociety men became more involved in bringing up children?

S:Yes,becausetheywerebetternegotiatorsthanusbettertalkerswiththegovernmentandthegovernmentliked themen.Youknowthemenweremoreinclinedtogoalongwiththeflowsoaslongastheyhavetheirbusiness doneandtheyhavegotthemoney...Whereasthewomencanbevery...youknow.Andtheyreallydidn’tseeus as being important because women were not important in their society so they sort of didn’t see us as being important.SothenwestartedtogetverypoliticalwhichiswhatabouttheJirunmeetingsareabout,theyare aboutpolitics,andaboutwomentakingthisplace,culturally.Butstillwithinthemainstream,Imeanwehave gottolivewiththeminthisenvironmentso...Butthereisaplaceforwomenandthatneedstoberecognised. J: Iamabitsurprisedthatthemainvoiceinchildcarebelongedtomen. S:Mostlymenwererunningthem.Theywereemployingwomen.Andthenwomenwantedthedecisionmaking roles. J: SoistheAboriginal women’s business apartofitall? S:It’sactually;itisaboutrevisiting,abouttakingbackcontrol.It’snotaboutshuttingothersoutbutitisabout makingsurethatweareincludedindecisionmakingprocesssothatwearenotexcludedfromitbecauseboth thegovernmentandthemenmadeahellofamessofit.Thereisacallingthinghappeningincommunitiesand notjustinAboriginalcommunities.It’saboutrebuilding...becauseweareapartofthemainstreamsocietyand wholeworldistoobusy,youknow.Andyoudon’tactuallyhavetime.It’saboutreflectingwhatisworkingfor ourcommunity,whatisn’tworking,howcanwechangeitandhowdoesitfitwithourwaysofdoingthings.Do wehavetocompromiseourselvestogetthebusinessdoneandwegottothestagewherewearenotcompliantto compromiseanymore.Youdohavetocompromiseinyourlifebutcompromiseisinawinwinsituationreally. Somebodyalwayslosesinacompromise.It’sabouttakingwomenrebuildingandrevisitingtheirstrengthsand recognisinghowstrongtheyareandbuildingtheirsenseofselfagain.Becauseifyouhavebeentoldenoughthat youarenotcapableyoustarttobelievethatyouarenotcapableandeverybodybelievesthatAboriginalpeople arehopeless,theycan’thelpthemselves,andtheyarejustpouringourmoney...Whattheywantustobeismore likethem. J: Theywantyoutoassimilate? S:Yeah,andifweweremorelikethemthenwedidok.That'slikeaCatholiccomingtosay“ifyoubecomea Catholicyou’llbeallright”.Thatisnottheanswer,youknow.Itisnottheanswer.Andit’sactuallytryingto educate people that difference is ok. We might do things differently. But we still...we can still achieve a reasonablyhappylife.Imeantorecognisehappinessyoumustbeunhappy.That'snormal.Youhaveupsand downsinlife.Youdon’tknowyouarehappyuntilyouhavebeenunhappy.Andit’sthesamethatyoudon’t knowyou’redoingagoodjobuntilyou’vemuggedupsomething.

103 J: Doyoubelieveindestiny? S:Yes,Ido,Ireallydo.IhaveretiredyearsagoandIjustdecidedtodosomethingdifferentwithmylifeand thisjusthappened.Idon’tcomefromBrisbaneanditwasabigthingtogettheeldersfromBrisbanetocometo askmetodosomethingwellbecauseIamastrangertothisplace.Thisisnotmyland.Idon’tcomefromhere. J:Howimportantare land ties foryou? S:Itisreallyimportant.WhenIgetreallyill,it’slikeyou’redriventogetbackhome.Justtohaveawalkaround andvisitagain.Itslikeapain,it’sprobablylikeareligion,causeyou’reconnected.Anditsoundartificiallybut it’s not. And it’s the same with other Indigenous cultures because it’s like the Japanese animism, you know. Whiletheyworshipanimalsandthingslikethatandweworshiptheland.Whenyougobackhomeyoualways havenoshoesonandso... J: Isitalsothatyouarelookingforsignswhenyouaretravelling?Thatyourecognisesignsrelatingtoyour country?

S:Andyoualwaysrecognisethebirdsfromyourplace.Andyousortofthink“oh,that’sastormbird,wecan haveastorm”.Youknowwhatyourplaceis.Whenyoudon’thearthemanymore,youknowyouareoutside yourplace.That’snotyourplaceanymore,that’ssomebodyelse’splace.Itsoundsabitairyfairydoesn’tit,but it’snotreally,it’sabouthowyoubelong. J:Ifinditquitenatural.Ilikeit. S:It’sactuallyreallyeasy.If you’relivingina fastenvironment,inacityit’sjustaboutsurvival.Citiesare aboutsurvival.Youhavetogetontrain,gotowork,getontrain,cookthemeal,haveabath,watchTV,andgo tobed.Ohman,it’sreallyaboutsurvival.It’snotreallyaqualityoflife.It’sactuallyprettypoor.Wehavebeen suckedintoit. J: Soyouthinkthatpeoplearesufferinginacity? S:Theyare.Youknow,it’sagovernmentalsocialengineering.Tokeepyoubusy.Thatyoudon’tmakeany waves,youknow,justkeepyoubusybecausepeopledon’thavetheenergy.Thirty,fortyyearsago,Australians wereverypassionatepeople,andtheywouldbemarchingandtheywouldbeprotestingandtheywouldbeupin thousands.YouknowasFrenchstillare.Frenchgetupandmarch.Australiansdon’tdothatanymore.Theyare justexhausted,plainlyexhaustedfromliving.Andit’sashamebecausewewereallpassionate.Andthatgrief thatiscomingoutforSteveErvin,youknowwealllikedhim;wewereallouttherebutAustraliansaren’tany more.Theyhavebecomeveryapathetic.Ithinkwehavetoogoodlife.Sometimesyouneedtostandandbe counted.I wasjustreadingintoday’spaperaboutthenumberofsexual...andit wasn’tjustaboutIndigenous kids.Itwasaboutanumberofsexualattacksonchildren,anditwasoutrageous.Thatissick.Sowhereisthe information wheredothey seethatas normal?There’ssomething goingon.It never...itdidhappened.It has alwayshappened.Maybenottothatextend.Maybewearehearingaboutitmore.Sothatisthesortofthingsthat interestsme.Hasitalwayshappened? J: Andwhatabout attitudes of people here towards Aborigines ?WhatIhearisjustsofrustratingsometimes. Myfriendisharassedbypolicewhilewalkingtoschoolduringtheday.Theyjuststopandcheckhimwithout anyreason.OrisitaprivilegeofQueensland? S: Well it is also more in Queensland because it is very conservative state, even the Murri people are conservative. And that’s why I only have that small thing on the back of my car (pointing at a label of Indigenousorganisationonhercar).Iusedtohaveabigmetalmagneticthingsaying“KummaraFamilyCare Centre” there and I would be pulled up by the police all the time. One night, I was coming back from ToowoombaearlyinthemorningandIwaspulledupbythepoliceinIpswichandaskedwhereIhadbeenand whatIhadbeendoingthere.Imean,thisisafreecountry,youcantravelwhereyouwantornot?Andthenwe couldn’tgoaheadbecausewekeptbeingpulledup.ItisjuststillapartofAustralianculture.It’sactuallysad. Oneofthefellowshadasportscarandhewouldalwaysbepulledupcausetheywouldthinkitwouldbestolen. Becausethatblackmanshouldnotbeinthatcar. J: Sodoyoufacetheseprejudiceseveryday?Isitmoreinacityorinthecountry?

104 S:Cairnsisinteresting.Itiswhatwecallrednecks,youknowveryracist. J: Somepeoplesay,Brisbaneisrednecks . S:Oh,Brisbaneis.RacismisstillverymuchaliveinQueensland.Itisbetter,don’tgetmewrong.Itisbetter thanitwas.But...justreadsomeoftheseNorthQueenslandpapers,Cairnsmade.It’sjustpulling,absolutely dreadful.Butitisnotasbadasitusedtobe.Nowwegetpaidthesamewages,wegetthesamemoney.Usually thelowerpaidjobsbutwestillgetpaidaccordingtoourworkconditions,whereasbeforetheyusedtopayus nothingorpaidveryrarely. J: Ok,ifIgobacktoKummaranow,howdoyouthink would the changes you want to bring in influence the coexistence of your and White-Australian culture? Woulditmakebiggerorsmallergapbetweenyou? S:Itwouldactuallybeveryconfronting.NotjustforthemainstreamworkersbutalsoforAboriginalworkersas sometimestheyhavebeensubsumedintothesystemofwagesanddoingthings.Andsometimesthatcanbevery confrontingbecauseitdoesn’tfitwiththeirworkpacebecausewearemuchslowerintakingdecisionsandtalk aboutalot.Andwediscussitinveryinformalways,youknow.Butthereisactuallylotthatcomesoutofit.It mightbealunchbutthereisalotthatcomesoutofit.Aswesitandhaveaconversation(e.g.Brimswomen's meeting)anditmightevenbejustfiveortenminutesinthathourbutitisreallystrong.Sowedothingsslowly. Wedon’tsitdownlikethemostgenuineandsay“allrightwehavetomakeadecisionaboutthisnow”.It’salso about selfesteeming and valuing each other. Everyone has something to say which is valuable. It might be different.Youcanalwaysjustsay,“well,thisismyway,andthisishowIwasbroughtup”,andhopefullyyou willgetasenseoftakingthebestfromeverybodyandhopefullythatwillmakeachange.Becauseinfactwhat we are trying to do is to affect changes in children’s lives, so that they have a chance to access life’s opportunities.Youknow,iftheyaretraumatisedin sucha youngage, theydon’teven getachancetovalue themselves,andtoaccesseducation,andyoucan’tgetbythisworldwithoutit,timeshavechanged.You’vegot tohaveaneducationtogetajobandalotofthemarefailingatschoolsbecauseoftrauma.Sothat’swhyarewe tryingtoworkattheearlylevel.Youknow,ifyoutouchonechild’slifeinabetterway,that’sachange.We don’thavegreatvisionsofchangingtheworld;wejusthavevisionsofchangingonechild’slife. J: Sowhatdoesitexactlymeanforyou? S:Supportingeachfamilyintheirneedswhichareindividualneeds.Youknowyoucan’tjustsayonesidefits all.Soeachfamilyhasdifferentvaluesand wearetrying tosupporttheminidentifyingtheir needs–notas sayingthem“youneedthisandthis”butitsaboutspendingatimewiththem,lettingthemidentifywhatthey needtohelpwithifwantanyhelp.Somepeopledon’t,andthat’sok.Youcan’tforcepeopletodothingsevenif youseethatit’sgonnabeadisaster,youcan’tforcethem. J: Anddoyouhavemany clients? S:Wedon’tdomuchserviceprovisionatall.WehavegotourfiftyfamiliesdowninKoolyangarraandthat’s wherewedoourfamilysupport.Iftheywanttheyjustdropinandweusuallyfollowthemupinanyhelpthey need.Butwedon’tdoserviceprovision,it’snotlikeamedicalcentre. J: Soitismorebasedon mediation? S:Yes,yougivethemtheskillstodowhattheywanttodowiththeirlife. Thereisaplentyoforganisationsthatarefundedforservice.Weareaboutchangingthesystemsoitsounds morepolitical.Itisasystemicchangesowehavebeenalwaysworkingonresearchandthingslikeallcultural strengthening.Liketheconferenceit’saboutbuildingculturalstrength.Womengettingtogetherandit’svery politicalinawaybutit’saboutchangingsystem.Whatweneedmoreistochangethesystemandwehavebeen abletoaffectalotofchange,likemoresupportforchildrenandchildcare.Therearealotofthemwhocometo childcareandhaveveryhighneeds.Theymightbeautisticorbeingabused.Thereisalotoftrauma.Sowedo advocatingwiththeparents,withthefamilies,withthedepartments,changingthesystem,makingthemmeet theirlegislativerequirements.Wehavetoknowthelegislation.Weforexamplearrangemeetingofsiblingswho aren’tintouchwitheachother.Ifforexampleoneofthemisinfostercare.Andwewantthemtoseeeachother; it’sapartofourrole.Weadvocateatthislevelsothattheconnectionstillstays. J: Sodoyouseesome progress in general?

105 S:Lastyearweactuallygotfivefamiliestogetheragain.Theirchildrenwereoutatfostercareandthey’reback homewithmumanddad.That’stheachievementjusttogetthembackofthedepartment.Itmightnotsoundas hugenumbersbutthosefivefamiliesarebacktogetherandwestillsupportthem.Iftheywantustowedon’tgo and turn up. We write them a letter you know “How are you going? Do you need anything? Do you need childrengetbacktoschool?Doyouneeduniforms?Thatsortofstuff.Andweputalotofchildrenbackinto schoolwithuniforms.It’saprettypragmaticstuff.Theyactuallybuilttheirrelationshipswiththosefamiliesand then they are more likely to come back if they need some support. So it’s not about huge amount of people comingandgoingbecausewehavedoneallthat.Soit’snotasmuchaboutbusiness,itismoreaboutdroppingin andhavingacupofteaandabitofchange. J: SoasfarasIunderstandit,allthewomenbusinessisseeninrelationtokidstoabigextent? S:Yes,it’sallseeninrelationtokidsandgrowingthemup. J: Sodoyouthinkyourpersonalstoryhavecontributedtoyourinvolvementinallthis? S:Yes.I seeit from my storythatevenif you make thatrelationship withparentsagain, youdon’t forman attachment.Youactuallydohavealovingrelationshipwithyourparentsifyouhavebeenreconnectedbutit’s notthesame.Andthatimpactsonyourlifeandthat’swhatwearetryingtoeliminate.Soundermypersonal historyaretheyearsoftryingtogetchildrentotheirfamiliesandformattachments.Becauseoncetheyhave been to a foster system they might go to six fosterplacementsa year.Thatisso unhealthy.I findit cruel. Sometimestheirparentsjustdon’tcopewiththeirbehaviour.Andtheyarereallytraumatisedkids.Sowewant childrentogobacktotheirfamilies,andalwaystoasafeenvironment. J: And returns are also difficult. As you said, your relationship to your mother was never the same after reencounter. S:Yes.ImeanIlovedthem.Butdeeplove...youneedactionstosupportyourfeelings,tocareinanactiveway.I wasamazedlookingbackhowselfishIwas.Ididn’tactuallycareinanactiveway.Isaidallthewordsbutwas reallydisconnected.Iwouldgoandvisitmumbut...Ididn’tcare.It’sjustametaphorforlackofattachment.And mymotherwasverybeautifulandveryvain.Youjustdon’thavetheactionswhichmaketherealrelationship because you don’t have the real attachment. And youdon’trealiseit.Youbecomeasingular unit.You get through life but you never make real emotional attachments. You know if you love somebody you give of yourself.Butthelackofemotionsispassedonyourchildren.Noneofmysiblingshadrealemotionaldepth.And youcanobserveitasyougetolder.Youdon’ttrustlivingsoul.Anditisintergenerationaltrauma.Mychildren aregreat,theyarewonderfulbuttheyalsodon’tletanybodytooclose.MydaughtermarriedthegreatestmanI have seen but there was no emotional connection between them. I was sad because she deserves much more sellingherselfshortbecauseofheremotionaldistrict.It’smaybethesocietywearelivingin.Itmightnotbemy entirefault.Andtheotherchildrenarelikethat.ButthosearenotjustAboriginalchildren.That’smyareaof knowledgeyouknow.ButIthinkthatchildrengotaprettyroughtime,really. J: Iusedtoworkwithmentallyhandicappedchildren.Theywereoftenleftbytheirparents...

S:Butitishardtomakejudgementsbecauseofthestyleofliving.Andalsorelationshipsusuallybreakdown underthechildrenwhoneedthatdeepcareandlifeisgoingandhowcanyoustayathomewiththechildthat needsthatdepth.Butontheotherhand,thereisahipofwonderfulparentsdoingalovelyjob.Youcan’tjust focusonthesadstuff.Andthat’swhatkeepsmegoingifIlookatthenumbers.Iseethereissixtyfivethousand ofAboriginesinQueensland.Ofthosesixtyfivethousandisprobablythreethousandnotifications.Soyouhave to focus on the strength, otherwise you would just fall apart. I had to prove myself and everyone else that Aboriginalwomenarecapable.TheWhitepeoplealwaysfeelabitsurprisedthatyoucanactuallydosomething. Iremembermyteacherwhowaslookingatmyresultsandsaying“youcouldn’thavepossiblydonethat”.Our strength is working on a ground. Financial management is very important now. Financial management at Kummaradidactuallymakemoreforourreputationthanallthework.Aslongasyouarefinanciallycleanthey don’tcareandyoucanhaveagreatorganisation.

106 IV. THERESA MACE

13/09/2006, Kummara Family Care Centre, Family Support and Early Intervention Worker

Position and qualification: Theresaisa FamilySupportandEarlyInterventionWorkerinKummara.Shehasa degreeinSocialwork(BA).

Personal history: Theresawasbornin1967inCherbourg.HerfatherisEuropeanandIndigenousbuthedidnot knowhisrealidentityforalongtime.HermotherisfullyEuropean.Shewastheeldestamongothersiblingsand heywasallinachildren'shome.Shehadnocontactwithherfamily.Afterleavingthechildren'shome,theyall split.Hermothermetherfatherwhenshewasyoung.ItwasinNewSouthWalesatthetimewhenAboriginal peoplewerestillnotallowedtostayinthetownarea.ShewasnotawarethathewasAboriginalashewasfair. TheymovedtoBrisbanetohisfamily.TheresaandherbrotherandsisterwereborninBrisbane.Theymovedto CanberraandthentoDarwin.ThentheycamebacktoBrisbaneandTheresafinishedherhighschoolthere.She startedtowork,hadadaughter(20)andexperienceddomesticviolence.Shegotawayofthewrongrelationship andwastryingtoreconnectwithherfamilyasshedidnotknowthematall.Theresalaterfinishedadegreein socialwork(BA). Keywords: Indigenous vs. mainstream organisations, Indigenous way, terms of reference, welfare system, Kummara and others J: Theresa, what do you think is the main difference between your, Indigenous organisation, and any mainstream (White) welfare organisation?

T:It’sbasicallydifferentinallthewayofworkingwithpeople.Itisnearlyimpossibletogetsomeimmediate helpifyougotoanymainstreamone.Youhavetomakeanappointmenttobeabletocome.Youhavetopassso manythingstoactuallytalktosomeone. J: Sowhatwouldbe the Indigenous way? T:The wholeprincipleof working withIndigenouspeopleandtheirtermsofreference,thattypeofthingis taking into account that things like connection between a family is sometimes much stronger than it is recognisedinnonIndigenouscultures. J: Whatdoyoumeanhereby Indigenous terms of reference? T:Isacceptingtheprotocols(forAboriginalpeoplemeanscustomsorLaw)andalltheotherissuesthatgoalong whenyouworkwiththefamilies.Forinstancemysisterdiedacoupleofyearsagoandmymotheriscaringfor herchildren.Butwhenshehasanurgentappointmentthenwearethereforher,whereasinotherfamilies,they havetofindsomeonetolookafterkids.ButIsupposethatourorganisationisaboutresearchingandadvocating forthosegapsthatarethere.Themainstreamhastodealwitheverybodysoitisthe“onesidefitsallmodel”, whereas Indigenous and all the other cultures have their own ways and protocols of working with their communitypeople.It’sdifficultto movefromcolonization where youjustdumpedin toeverything.Thenin early60stheysaid“theseblackfellowsarereallyhumanbeings”,let'sacknowledgethem.Sothenwehadthe DepartmentofAboriginalaffairsandalltheotherdepartmentsthatfocusedontheseissuestoovercomethem. Butthat'sdoneabigfullturnnowanditisgoingbacktothecolonizationwherethe“onesidefitsall”.And basicallyif youarenot fittingintothatlittlebox, you'reintrouble, you know?If yourparentingskills seem outsideofwhatwe'vegot,we'regoingtobeinchildprotection,right?Thissortofthings.Itdependswhicharea youarelookingat.Likechildcare.AlotofIndigenousfamiliesare...notscepticalsomuchbutnotawareofthe benefitsofbeinginthesystem.Theyaremorescaredofwhatifdepartmentfindsoutthatsomethingisgoingon andallthatsortsofthings. J: Soyouthinkthatitisdifficultforthemtounderstandthe welfare system andknowaboutallthebenefits? T:Thebenefitstheyareallfinewithbecausedefinitelymygenerationandtheoneaftermeareallbasicallythe welfarebabies.Buttherehasn'tbeenatransferofstrongparentalskillsandknowledgetotheparentsthatare coming up which is reinforcing this all welfare system within the community. We say it’s children having childrenbecauseIndigenous community splits withthedomesticserviceandthenstolengenerationstartedto bringthefamiliestogetherorstartedtobuildtheawarenessthattherewerebigchunksinpeople'slivesmissing. Andparentingisalearnedbehaviouritisalearnedstuff.Youdon'tgetitfromabook,youdon'tgetitfroma lecture,andyougetitbydoingit.Isupposethatthisisthebigproblemthatalltheseparentsthatarecoming throughnowaregettingthoseskillspassedontothemandeventheculturalsideissometimesbeingmissedand

107 that'swhyarewehavingthesetroublesandwhenthekidsgotoschoolthenit'sagainperpetuatingthiscycle becausetheparentsarescaredofgoingtoschoolbecause of their experience and their parents not going to schoolandthenwehavedropoutratesandattachmenttothejusticesystemsandthosesortsofthings...Andthen therearethecallsforblackfellowstogetupandstartdoingthingsbutit'seasytosaythatwhenyoudon'thavea lotofhistoryhangingoveryou,whenyoucomefromstablebeingitmiddleclass,lowerclassorupperclass.If youcomefromstabilityandconsistency,you'refine.Butalotofourmobhasinherentproblemswithalcohol, drugs,violence.Identityisalotofthecausetoonotknowingaspace,nothavingaplacewhereyoubelong, where you feel you belong. Children are treated more like objects or prices rather than actual children. It's unfortunate.CauseIwastoaMurrischoolandIwasworkingalotwiththegradeoneandwhatitcamealotwas whenthechildrencametotheschooltheywerenotpreparedforthehole“sitdown,staystill,bequiet”,thissort of stuff. It's all learned behaviour and that’s what we are trying to identify and breach those gaps. We have differentprogramstotrytoengagewithparents.Theyarenothappeningforwhateverreasonitis. J: Theyarenothappeningbecausetheyarenotinterested? T:Well,Iamnotsurewhat'shappening.Theysayyes,yes,thereisaninterestbutwhenitcomestotheday there'snoaction. J:DoesKummaradoalotofresearch? T:Yes,MarydoestheresearchtodevelopIndigenoustermsofreference.It'sjust...it'samessything.It'samessy area.SoIwasnohelptothem,Iwasbetterinthekitchen,whenIwasn'tthinking. J: How Kummara coexist within the community system. YousaidthatpeoplesayitistimetoIndigenous peopletodotheirthingsbutontheotherhand,peopledon'tacknowledgeyourwork? T:Wearecommunitycapacitybuildingorganisationwhichisfairlyuniqueandwearemultifunctionalservice. That means that we have a community development stuffgoingon.Wealsorunachildcarecentretoassist familiesthatwanttogetbacktotheworkforce.That'spartofthatmoralistfamilysupportinterventionwhichis coordinatingaspeechandhearingprogram.Soweareidentifyingearlywhetherthereareissuesthatneedtobe addressed before getting into that education system. That's the intervention’s side, being multifunctional. We don't...ok,wesayfamilysupportandthegeneralconsensusincommunityaboutfamilysupportisaboutbeing abletoaccessemergencyreliefandallthosesortsofimmediate,shorttermresponses,whereaswearenotpartof thatpractice.Weare more,ok,let's get yourissue out on the table and identify where the issue is actually comingfromandthenlinkingthemandwalkingbesidethem.It'slikea...oneofthefamilymembersneedsto organisetransportforhischildrenorsomething.Insteadofthemringingus,wegivethemaphone.Allthose sorts of empowerment rather than disempowering people by doing it for them so that they always have this crutchtoleanon.Sowejustwalkbesidethemandsupportthemastheygoalong. J: Sothat'sthemaindifferencefromthemainstreamorganisation? T:Yes,wearemoreadvocacythantheactualprocesssupport. J: Soisthereanyonestanding against you? T:Isnotnecessarilyagainstthisorganisation.It’sagainstthisconceptoftheseparateIndigenousservices.For somereasonthereisstillthisbeliefthatIndigenousservicesshouldbemainstreamed.Forwhatreason,Iamnot sure.Allitreallydoesisputpeopleoutofwork.It'sshuttingdownservices,it'sdisrespectingpeoplewhoare unabletoaccess,whetheritbeingamentalissueorphysicalorpsychological.Iamsortofinbetween.Iamone ofthosepeoplewhosay“it'stimetostopcryingandgoupthereanddosomething”butatthesametime,wedo needtodobabysteps.Unlessyouhavethatidentitycrisisyoucannotunderstandwhyit'sneeded.Andthebody identitycrisisis“IjustfoundthatIamablackfellow.ButIdon'tknowwheremycountryis,Idon'tknowany totems”.Or,inmycase,I'veknownIamablackfellowforallofmylifebutIstilldon'tknowmytotem.Istill don'tknowmyland.Ok?Myfamilywastakentoamission.Andit'salotofthingsthathappenedwithinthe personthatimpactsontheirabilitytodoanything.Imetonefamilythismorninganddidn'tshowupforafamily meetingthatisprettyimportant.Icouldjust immediatelythinkof sixorsevenreasons whythat wouldhave happened.Whereasdepartmentalthinkingis,ok,shemissedthemeeting,badmark.Eventhemoretheytryto putIndigenousworkersintopositionsandtrytomakeitIndigenousfriendly,itneverwillbeifit'sincorporated intoamainstreamservice.Itcan'tbebecausethatmainstreamservicehastargetstomeet,youknow,timeframes toworkwithinandallthosesortsofthings.Andsixmonthsseemstobethesocietalframeworkforworkingwith afamilyoraclient.Sixmonths,threemonthsandthenyousaygoodbye.I'vebeenworkingwiththisfamilyall

108 yearandweareinOctoberandwearestilljustmakingedgewaysofwherewewannago.Andthat'snotafault ofthefamilyallthetime;it'salsothefaultofthedepartment,myfaultaswell.Agap'shappeninginthecontact. It'saverysensitivearea.Butmainstreamserviceswillneverbeabletoeffectivelyassistthefamiliesthatreally needit.Thatwouldbefinewiththefamiliesthathavethestrengthsandmotivationtoaccessandgothroughall the hoops. But there are a lot out there that don't.Andtheyaretheonesthat,unfortunately,endup in child protectionorjusticesystembecauseofthat.

J: Sowhydidyousaythatyouareinbetween?

T:Iamspeakingfrommyposition.IfIneededasupport,I'dbehesitatingtobegoingtothemainstream.So, whileIunderstandthatsomegeneralservicescanbemainstream,yeah,yeah,whenitcomesdowntosupporting families,protectingchildrenandallthosesortsofthings,theycannotbemainstream,theyhavetostayseparate. It's like the multicultural side of Australia, they have their own separate services. They have their own interpreters,theirownhousingsupportpeople,andtheirowndepartments.Weusedtohavealotbuteveryyear, theycutsomethingoff. V. LILLA WATSON

31/10/2006, Kummara Family Care, Consultant

Position and qualification: LillaworksasaconsultantforKummaraFamilyCareCentre.Sheisalsoanartist. ShegraduatedattheUniversityofQueenslandinPsychology(BA).

Personal history: LillaWatsonisaGanguluwomanwhogrewupinwhatisnowCentralQueensland.Sinceher family movedtoBrisbaneinthe late1960's, sheandothermembersofherfamilyhavebecomewellknown throughtheirinvolvementintheIndigenouscommunity.ShewasInauguralPresidentoftheBrisbaneAboriginal and Islander Child Care Agency (198185), and has served on the Boards of the Aboriginal and Islander IndependentSchoolandtheBrisbaneIndigenousMediaAssociation. SheworkedasaResearchAssistant(198083)andLecturerinAboriginalWelfareStudies(198390)withthe Department of Social Work at the University of Queensland, where she developed and taught two subjects withintheinterdisciplinaryareawithintheFacultyofArts.Morerecently,shehassuccessfullydevelopedan innovativeartisticmediumtoportrayandprojectaspectsofherspiritualandculturalidentity,andexhibitedhere andoverseas. She has also served on many Government and Agency committees and selection panels, including the Ford InquiryImplementationCommittee,andiscurrentlyaMemberoftheSenateoftheUniversityofQueensland,its StandingCommitteeontheStatusofWomen;andtheBoardoftheStateLibraryofQueensland,whereshealso chairstheIndigenousAdvisoryCommittee.

Keywords: Aboriginal terms of reference, healing, women’s business vs. men’s business, women’s law, role of mother, cultural influence, dynamism

J: Lilla,Iamstillalittlebitunsureaboutwhatexactly Aboriginal terms of reference are. Iunderstanditasa wayofreferringtoallauthenticAboriginalissues.Ordoyouseeanybetterdefinition?

L:IguessthatwhenItalkaboutAboriginaltermsofreference,Iamtalkingaboutourexperiencethathascome aboutoutofthislandforthethousandsofyearsthatwehavelivedhere,right?Now,asyouknowwehaverun thiscountrybeforeanyonearrivedhere.Wedeveloped our own ways and our own understanding of what it meanstobehuman.Andthatexperiencehascomedirectlyfromthisland,right?Andthat’swhatAboriginal termsofreferencearebasedon.Itiseverythingcomingoutofthisland,outofourexperienceoflivinginthis land for the thousands of years that we have. That’s what Aboriginal terms of reference are based on: our spirituality,ourchildrearingpractices,men’sbusiness,women’sbusiness,AboriginalLaw,allcomesfromthis land.Itdoesn’tcomefromanywhereelse. J: Doesitmeanthatit always has to be part of your culture? L:Alwayspartofourconsciousness,alwayspartofourculture,whatourcultureis.Thathascomefromthis land here. What has happened through the colonial process is an imposed system. Their terms of reference belongtoEnglandandtoEuropeandthroughthecolonization;theyhaveimposedtheirtermsofreferenceonthe land.Andyouseethemajorityofthepeoplethatliveinthiscountry;theylocatetheirracehistoryoverthere,

109 somewhere.TheirracehistoryisinEngland,inEurope,inanothercountry.Notlocatehere.Aboriginalpeople race’shistorybeginshere.Andthat’swhereAboriginaltermsofreferencecomefrom. J: Sowhatdoyouusethetermsofreferencetorefertotoday?

L:Well,inreferringtoourspirituality.TheimposedspiritualitycomesfromsomefellowcalledJesusthatwas bornoverinEuropeorsomewhereelse.Hewasn’tbornhere....Ourchildrearingpracticesareverydifferent. Ourwaysofmakingdecisionsasbasedonconsensus,notonconflictapproach.Theimposedsystemisallabout conflict.Whocangetthemostvotes.Votingsystemisveryforeigntothiscountry,itdoesn’tbelonghere. J: Itisprobablydifficulttodefinethetermsofreferencebecausetheyconcernsomanythings.Wedidayarning circle at See Change conference on terms of reference, and women put in things like creativity, healing, spirituality,honour,respectingeldersandso. L:Yes,becauseitcoverseverything.Education,everything...Oh,it’sjustso...Imean,wheredoyoustart,it’s hard,wheredoyoustartsaythis.Icanremembermylittleniecesgoingtoschoolandtheycomehomeandthey dosomethingthatwasveryculturallyinappropriate.Andmybrotherandmyoldersistersaid,“youdon’tdothat athome”.Andshesays“butwedothatatschool”.AndIsay“wellyoumightdothatinschoolbutyoudon’tdo thatherebecausethat’snotpartofourculture.”YouknowwhatImean?Soit’sineverything.Howyoutalkto people,howyouconductyourselfintheland,howyouconductyourselftootherpeople,it’sallpartofthat.But throughthecolonialprocessithascreatedalotofconfusionbecausecolonialism,Ithink,isthebestwayfor anyone, to understand their own culture. For Australians, would be the best way for them to understand themselves.Andthat’saveryhardtodoforWhiteAustralians.Theyfinditverydifficulttoowntheirhistoryin thiscountry.Causeit’snotaverygoodhistory.It’sabsolutelyhorrifichistory,really!Whattheywereabletodo toAboriginalpeopleinthiscountrybecausecolonialismdehumanisespeople.Andit’sonlybydehumanising other people that the colonizers can do what they do and what they did to Aboriginal people. It’s only by dehumanisingthepeopletheyarecolonizing,thattheycanactuallydothesedreadfulthings.Andsee,that’sthe problemwithWhiteAustraliatoday–theystillcolonizeus.Theystillgotthecolonialmentality.Theycannot seetoridthemselvesofthiscolonialmentality. J: It’squiteserious. L:(ironicallaughter)It’sveryserious!Becauseintheireyes,Aboriginalpeoplearestillnothumanbeingsas theyare. J: Itisactuallyverydepressing. L:(laughteragain)Itisdepressingbutyoudon’tletitbeatya! J: Let’smovetoanotherquestionnow.Whatdoes healing mean to you? L:Healing...Now,thisisdifficultbecausewehavebeeninfluencedbythingsthathavecomeintoourlives.But, forme,whenwetalkabouthealing,wearenotjusttalkingaboutthephysicalillnesses.Forme,healingismuch more.Itinvolvesthespiritual,andemotional,andpsychological,anditinvolvestheland.Itmustinvolvethe land.Becauseitseemstomethatifthelandisunwell,thenwewillbeunwell.Andthataffectsouremotional and our spiritual well being, and psychological too. And it’s when we try to work with those...well, what happenswhenitisallbeinginterferedwith...thenquiteoften,Ibelieve,itisthosethingsthatdictateourillnesses weareinterferedwith.Andouremotionalandspiritualwellbeingcomesoutofbalance.Onceoutofbalance, thenyouendupwithillnesses.Andthat’swhenyoutrytogetthembackinbalance,that’swhenthehealing occurs,Ithink.Andthathappensinvariousways.Itcanbethroughfamily... J: LikeKummara,maybe?

L:Yes.Itcanbethroughyourcommunity.Soit’saveryholisticthing,Ithink. J: Do you know Michael Williams? He runs the course Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Approaches to Knowledge.ItisallbasedondiscussionofAboriginal,domesticandinternationalstudentssittingtogether.Itis verychallengingthing.Michaeltoldmetheotherdaythatitisalsoakindofhealing. L: Absolutely, that’s all part of the healing process. And I think it does a lot of good for White Australian students to be involved in that course, especially White Australian students. And Aboriginal students too!

110 Because when westartedthecourse, Aboriginalstudents sawitasachancehowto getstuck intotheWhite students.AndtheWhitestudentswerehearingthingsthattheyhadnotheardbefore.Andthatmadethemvery vulnerableandemotional.Notallofthem,ofcoursebecausesomeofthemthoughtitwasalotofnonsenseand so...butanyway,soquiteoftentherewasalotoftensionintheroomandweusedtoalwaysteachsittingina circle,youknow,andbeforetheywereallowedtogoattheendofthesession,someonehadtotellajoke. J: Hey,wedidn’tdothis! L:Theyalwayshadtotellajoke.Andifitdidn’tmakeeverybodylaughing,someoneelsewouldhavetotella joke.Everyonehadtobereallyhappy.Butwesaidtothem“can’ttellracistjokes,can’ttellsexistjokes,can’t tellblondjokes,can’ttellhandicappedjokes,can’ttellIrishjokes...” J: Sowhatisleft?Nothing!

L:Andtheysaidsohowwecanfindanyjokelikethat?Andwewouldsay“well,it’suptoyoutofindthat” (laughter).Sowehadrealstrictprinciplesaboutwhatsortofjokesitcouldbe. J: So,wouldyousaythatworkofKummarathatsupports family and women’s emotional well being is a kind of healing too? L:Absolutely. J: Iamcurrently writingapaperaboutKummaraandI called it “Healing Aboriginal woman” as I think it reflectstwohealing:healingofthesocietythroughhealingofwomenandalsohealingpracticedbyKummara women.

L:Ok,verygood. J: So,whatdoyouthinkKummaracallsforintermsof Aboriginal women’s business?

L:OneofthemajorthingsaboutIwilltalkmoregenerallyaboutAboriginalwomen’sbusinessandthen,I guess,youcanseehowKummarafitsintothat–Aboriginalwomenhavealwayshadtheresponsibilityforthe growingupsmallchildren.Anditisaveryimportantculturalaspect.Because,asyouprobablyknow,it’sinthe first five or six or seven years of our life when we learn the most we ever learn. So that’s where that responsibility was with womento grow up verystrongculturalchildreninto veryindependentthinking. And that’swheretheprocessstartsataveryearlyage.Andwomenhavethatresponsibilityandthat’saverystrong responsibility.AndthereisasayingIdon’tknowifyouhaveheardit–but“achainisonlyasstrongasis weakest link”.You understand whatthat means?You understand whatthat means?Youhave gotthisstrong chain but it is only as strong as its weakest link.Itcanbepooledaparteasily,ifthereisa weak link. So, Aboriginal women havethat responsibilityofensuringverystrongculturalbeings,fromtheirearlyage. And that’saveryimportantresponsibilityforwomen.Now,letmesaythatintheliberationmovementinthe60s women...Westernwomen,Iguess,sawthatasanegativebecausetheyhavebeenforcedintoopposition.Thereis abookbyanAustralianauthor,AnnSummers. Andshewrotethatbookinthe60sorthe70s.Shesaidthat Westernmenhavecolonizedwomen.Colonizedthemintowhattheywantedthemtobe,moreorlessintobeing slaves. And I think, being a mother and mothering your children became viewed in a negative way. And understandably,Ithink,mostWesternwomenfelttrappedinthatroleofmotherhood.AndIthinkthewomen’s liberation movementor feminist movementreactedagainstthat.They wantedto share theresponsibility with men – which is, you know, there’s nothing wrong about that, it’s quite right – but it became a negative mothering,youknowwhatImean? J: Thatthe image of mother staying at home with her children... L:Wasseeninanegativelight.Ithink,bythefeminists.Butyousee,inAboriginalterms,that’saverypositive thingtodo. J: Sohowwouldbethat mother seen in your terms of reference? L:Sheisnotanegative.That’sherresponsibilityandaveryimportantresponsibility.Ithinkit’swonderful... AndIthinkmoremenarecomingtoappreciatetheirbondwithchildrenatanearlyagebecausethat’swhenthat bondhappens.Forthemother,especially,andforthefatheritshouldhappen,thatbonding.Anditbecomesvery strong.Anditisawonderfullovebetweenthechildandtheparents,themotherandthefather.Andyouknow,I havebeenthinking,andIcannotunderstand...butIthink,youcanunderstand,therearechildrenwhokilledtheir

111 parents.TherearesomeawfulcasesofchildrenkillingtheirparentsintheStatesandheretoo(desperately).And Ijustwonderifthesechildrenhavebeenputinthenurseriesintheirearlyagebecausethemotherhastowork, youknow?Andthewonderfulbondinghappensmorewiththecarerthanwiththemother.Soifthechildgetsto anagewhen...maybeit’seasytokillpeople,Idon’tknow.Butitseemstomethatthereissomethingwrongif thechildcankillaparent. J: I have read in many books that the responsibility for children was originally in all the community. That everyone was responsible for growing up children. L:Oh,yes.It’srunthroughoutthecountry.Theresponsibilityissharedoutthroughtheirgrandmothers,their auntiesandalsotheirfathers,theirgrandfathers,andtheiruncles.It’ssharedout.Sothatthewholeweightof beingresponsibleforthischilddoesn’tfallonyou.YouknowwhatImean? J: Doesitmeanthatyouarethemaincarerbutyoucanrelyonothers? L:Youcanrelyonyourmotherandyourfatherandyoursistersandyourbrothersandotherrelatives.It’slike... QuiteoftenyouseeaMurrifamilywiththreeorfourchildrenandtheymightgotovisitrelativesandtheytake theirchildrenwiththemandwhentheycomehometheymightnothaveanychildren.Becausealongthewaythe childsaid,“I’mgonnastayherewithauntie,I’mgonnastayinthishouse,I’mgonnastayinthathouse”.Sothe childhasmanyhomes,manymothers,manyfathers,andtheresponsibilityforchildrearingissharedwithother relativesandwiththecommunity.Thecommunityalsoplayspartofthat.IknowwhenI...ifIamdownthestreet Idon’thaveanychildren,IhavegotsomenephewsandniecesandtheyaremychildrenbutifIamdownthe streetandIseeanyofouryoungpeopleintroublethenIdon’thaveanyhesitation–evenifIdon’tknowthat childandIhaveneverseenhimbefore–Ihavenohesitationgoinguptothatchildandsaying“doyouneed somehelp?”,“haveyougotaproblem,hey?”youknow,especiallyifthepoliceisquestioninghim.Iwillgoup andsay“what’stheproblemhere,what’swrongwiththischild?”.Andifthepolicesays,“what’sthebusinessof yours?,”Iwillsay,“well,Iamhisauntie”.Evenifhemighthavenotseenmeforallhislife,hejustcallsme auntie and says, “well, auntie, this problem’s here”. You know what I mean? So, it’s very much a shared responsibility. J: Yousaidthatacommunityisalsopartofit.Wouldthen Kummara represent this community? L:Yes,theyarejustpartofittoo.BecausetherearejustMurrikidsthatwalkuptotheAboriginalhosteldown theroad.Dulcieknows thosekidsandshecallsthem “mylove”andtheyaresaying “helloauntie”andvery muchpartofit. J: Ok.ThisquestionismaybealittlebitpoliticalbutMaryandSuetoldmesomethingabout AICCA. Thatit was more men’s business too. So Kummara was based to be uniquely women’s business of growing up children. And those women in Kummara are facing some kinds of stereotypes from the side of the former AICCAbecausetheydostrictlywomen’sbusiness.Canyouexploreonthat? L: Well, what has happened was that confusion between Aboriginal terms of reference and White terms of reference.Somepeopleoutinthecommunityareoperating on White terms of reference and others work on Aboriginaltermsofreference.Sotherecanbethiscrossingoverandthisconfusion.Whereabouts,traditionally, peoplewouldn’tquestionwomen’sbusiness.Andthat’swhatwomenhavedecidedtodo,andthat’swomen’s business.And,youknow,Aboriginaltermsofreferencewouldn’tquestionthat.Ifthereisaproblemthere,other Aboriginalwomenwilladdressit.AndthentheywilltalktootherAboriginalwomen.Andthentheywilltalkto Kummara.Andthentheywilljusttalkitout.Butifit’smenwhoaredoingit,thentherearenoAboriginalterms ofreferencetheyareoperatingon.

J: SowhatdoyouthinkhappenedinbetweenKummaraandAICCA?

L: In AICCA? I think they just got confused. I think they took over the White terms of reference. And it collapsed; you know that, don’t ya? I think they took on White terms of reference in there. (Lilla’s husband offersusacoffeeandLillacommentingonwhatanicehusbandheis.) J: DoyouthinkthatKummarahasany enemies in between mainstream or Indigenous organisations?

L:Well,Idon’tseethemasenemies.Ijustseepeoplewhothinkasindividualsthatmaybetheycandoabetter joborsomething.Andthat’swithalltheorganisations.That’swhen(Lillanoticeshersisterinlawcomingand leaves to welcome her shortly) people start acting as individuals, on the White terms of reference. It gets

112 confused,youknowwhatImean?AndIthinkthatalotoftheWhitetermsofreferencepeopleareconfusedby andsometimesslipoverthelineandstartoperateontheWhitetermsofreferenceandnotonAboriginaltermsof reference.Andthatcreatesproblems.AndIdon’tseethatasbadtensionsoranythinglikethat,there’sjustan amountofconfusion,youknow. J: Iwillswitchtoadifferentsubjectconcerningwomennow.Talkingabout women’s law, Iunderstanditas consisting of rules, ceremonies, looking after land, kinship system, and even relationships between men and women.Canyouallcallitwomen’slaw? L:Yes,there’swomen’slawandeverythingjustabout...Andthatexcludesmenfromthewomen’slaw...even. HaveyouseenthepaperIwroteonce?There’sapaperIwrote...(Shegivesmethepaperandwemoveto anotherquestion.)ThisiswhatItriedtodo.ThisisWesternsocietytheoutofcircleismen’sbusinessand everything inside of is men’s business. Women’s business is encompassed within that. And this is public business,allisencampusedwithinmen’stermsofreference,withinmen’sbusiness.AndthisiswhatIthink happenedwiththefeministmovement.Thewomen’sbusinessispushingoutandmenwouldhavetostartto rethinktheirtermsofreferencebecausewomenarecomingmoreout.InMurrisociety,thesespheressometimes overlap. J: Yourecommendedtomea book of Diane Bell, “Daughters of the Dreaming, once. SheisaWhitefeminist anthropologist.Doesitmeanthatyoudon’trefuseherworkevenshehasthispoliticalbackground? L:No,Ithinkthatshehasdoneagoodjobonwhatwomen’sbusinessabout.Andtherearethingslikeprotocols. Somepeoplecallthemprotocols,IcallthemLaw. J: AndIhavethelastquestion.Whatdoyouthinkabout influence in your culture from outside ?(ThenItell LillaaboutthepresentationofLandmarkeducationatSee Change conference.)

L:Well,Ihaven’theardhertalkaboutit.Butyousee,withthingslikethat.Therearelotsofthingsthathave beenimportedtothiscountryandMurriusethemnowbutweusethemaccordingtoourvalueslikelotsof things,likehouses,cars.Theydon’thavethesamevalueforMurrisasforWhitepeople,likehousesaremainly for prestige and possessions and ownership, and allthosesortsofthings.WhereasI guessMurrisare more inclinednottoputthatsortofvalueonthem.YouknowwhatImean?Whenthatbigcyclonehappenedupin Darwin,Whitepeoplewereabsolutelydevastatedbecausetheylosttheirhouses;theylosttheircars,theirboats, possessions.AndthepsychologicaltraumawasdevastatingforWhitepeople.WhereaboutsMurris,theyhanded allthatmuchbetter.Theysortofwentaroundandsaid“oh,thiswasabigblow,wasn’tit?”Whereaspeople wouldtraumatiseandsay“oh,myhouse,myboat,mycar,everything’sgone!”AndMurriswouldsay“ohJesus, itwasarealbigwind!”YouknowwhatImean?Theylostthesamething!Theylosttheirhousesbutthetrauma wasn’tthesameasitwasforMurris.YouknowwhatImean? J: Ithinkso. L:SowhatIamsayingis...EventhisLandmarkorwhateveritis...Idon’tseeitasadangerifAboriginalpeople participateinitordecidetodoit,andthenmaybeitwillhelptheminsomeway.AnythingthathelpspeopleI thinkisgood(strongly)!Andhopefullytheywilltakeoutofitwhattheyneed.Aboriginalpeoplehavedonealot withwhathavebeenimposedonus. J: Butwoulditbe still in Aboriginal terms of reference? L:Wellsee,that’swheretheproblemis.IfpeoplearenotgroundedinAboriginaltermsofreference,thenitcan createquitealotofconfusion.PeopleneedtobereallygroundedinwhattheAboriginaltermsofreferenceare. J: Butaslongasithelpsthem...Therewasanotherhealertalkingaboutchakras,meditationandthiseasternkind ofmedicine.ImustsaythatIwasabitsurprisedatthebeginningbecauseitisnotAboriginal.Iexpectedsome kindofbushmedicine.

L:ButpeoplewillcomehopefullytoAboriginaltermsofreferenceandwillkeepitintext.Sotheycansay,“oh, that’sgood,IcanusethatinaMurriway,inAboriginalwayanditwillhelpme”.Becausetherehasbeenalotof problemscreatedforAboriginalpeople,lotofceremonieshavebeenchoppedofffromusandlotoflanguages havebeentakenawayfromus.Sonow,weareinastageof sortofsayingthisis what Aboriginaltermsof referenceare,andthisiswhatweareincontrolof.And,perhaps,yousee,Aboriginalculturehasalwaysbeena verydynamicculture.Butthegroundwork,thetermsofreferencedon’tchangeliketheLawdoesn’tchange.But haveyouheardMarysayingthatallthingsarevalidandreasonable?Aboriginalpeopledon’treject,theysay“oh

113 thisisinteresting”.Iftheydecidetotakeiton,itwillbeusedintheirway.Buttheywilllookatitandsay“oh yes”butmightrejectitandnevereveruseit.That’sthedynamism. J: That’squiteinteresting.Wherethe dynamism comesfrom? L:Well,Ithinkthatoneofthethingsitcomesfromisthatwhensomeonedied,traditionally,youdidn’tspeak thatperson’snameagain.Andifthatperson’snamewaslikesomething,soundedlikesomethingelse,thenthey inventednewwords.Yousee?Theywouldinventanewwordortheywouldchangeit.Andthatmeantthatthere wasaconstantchange.Eventhelanguagechanged.Yousee?Andwhenyoudidn’tspeaksomeone’snameagain whatdidthatmean?Ofcourseitmeantthatpeoplewerereleasedtogotowhereevertheyweresupposedtogo whentheydied.And,everytimeyoumentionthenameit’slikecallingthepersonbackfromthedead.It’snot releasing.Everytimeyoumentionthenameit’slikeyouareholdingontothem.ImeanWesternsocietydoes thatwhichiswhatWesternsocietydoes.Thereisnocondemnationonthat.It’sjustwhatWesternsocietyand manyothersocietiesdo.WhereaboutsAboriginalpeoplehavedifferentway.Youhavetoreleasethatpersonand youdon’tmentionthenamebecauseeverytimeyoumentionthenameyouareholdingontothem. J: Yes,IhaveheardthesameaboutRomanypeopleinourcountry. L:AndIwasgoingtosay.WithnotmentioningthenameIseeWesternsocietyascarryingalotoftheirdead peopleontheirbacks,andIthinkthatofpeoplelikeElvisPresley.TheyhavemadeagreatindustryofElvis Presley,haven’tthey?Heisthemultimilliondollarindustrybutheisdead.AndwhatIthinkofhereisthis deadguy–theremightbedozensofothersouttherethataremuchbetterthanElvisPresleyeverwas,butwe willneverhearthembecausethisdeadguyistakingthesoundofourairway,thisdeadguykeepssingingand wewillneverhearthesepeoplethatareprobablywholeofbetterthanhim(laughter)! J: Soinyourculture,therewouldn’tbeanysongsofElvisPresleybecauseheisalreadydead? L:Wewouldn’tevenknowwhoitwas.Wewouldhaveneverheardhisname.Andwhatdoesthatdo?That allowsyoutobecomeaheroinyourownlifetime.YouknowwhatImean?Youcanbeaheroinyourownlife time.What’sthegoodaboutbeingaheroafteryourdeath?Youwouldn’thaveheardaboutit!

VI. JACKIE HUGGINS

08/11/2006, Deputy director at Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander studies unit at the

Qualifications: Enrolling at the University of Queensland (UQ), she graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in HistoryandAnthropologyandanHonoursdegreeinHistoryandWomen'sStudies.ShealsohasaDiplomaof Education from Flinders University in South Australia. In December 2006, Jackie is receiving a Honour Doctorateforhercommunityservicework.

Personal history: Born in Ayr in Central Queensland on 19 August 1956 she is of the (central Queensland) and BirriGubba Juru (north Queensland)peoples.SheattendedInalaStateHighSchoolbefore leavingatfifteentoworkfortheABCandthenspendingtwoyearswiththeDepartmentofAboriginalAffairsin Canberra. Over the years Jackie has been a influential and effective member of numerous organisations. Currently she is cochair of Reconciliation Australia; a director of the Telstra Foundation; director of the Australian Centre for Indigenous History, Australian National University; council member of the Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies; member of the Indigenous Advisory Board of the QueenslandCentreofDomesticandFamilyViolenceResearch,CentralQueenslandUniversity;cochairofthe IndependentInquiryintoReleasePolicyandPracticeintheQueenslandPrisonSystem(2004);andmemberof theIndigenousAdvisoryBoardfortheStateLibraryofQueensland.JackieistheDeputyDirectorofAboriginal andTorresStraitIslanderStudiesUnitatUQ.ShementorsandencouragesmanyIndigenousstudentsincluding Indigenouswomenlawstudents,towhomsheimpartsheroptimism,wisdom,hopeandvision. Priortotheseappointments,shewasanexecutivememberoftheCouncilforAboriginalReconciliation(1994 2000); chair of the Queensland Domestic Violence Council (2001); commissioner for Queensland for the National Inquiry into the Separation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Children from their Families (1997);andamemberoftheATSICReviewPanel(2003). Jackie is one of UQ’s leading academics and an Australian icon. Her heritage, her intellect, her own experiences,andherloveofhistoryhaveallcontributedtoherdeepunderstandingoflifeandpeopleandhave 114 made her a force behind important Indigenous initiatives in Queensland and Australia. Jackie's vision as an Indigenous Australian “is for people to understand and know their history... then they can better understand issuesaboutnativetitle,Wik,andthe Stolen generations ,buttheyfirsthavetoknowandunderstandthe60,000 yearsplusofAboriginalhistoryinthecountrybeforewecanmoveon” .But,sheadds:“I’mstillhopeful.I remainforeveroptimistic”. In 2001 Jackie Huggins was awarded an Order of Australia for her services to the Indigenous community, particularlyforherworkwithreconciliation,literacy,women'sissuesandsocialjustice.In2000,shehadbeen honouredwiththeQueenslandPremier’sMillenniumAwardforExcellenceinIndigenousAffairs. Shehasseveralpublicationstohername,including Auntie Rita (withhermotherRitaHuggins,1994)and Sister Girl (1999). Keywords: women’s business, healing, origins of Kummara, continuity of culture, tradition, cultural influence, equality, feminism, role of mother, decolonization J: We were talking about Aboriginal women’s business of Kummara and I have heard about women’s businessmeetingsorganisedbyMusgraveParkcommunityrecently.Doyouthinkitis time for women now? H: Oh yeah. You know as Dulcie said, it’s the See Change ; it’s the timing of all the stuff. And it is very important.Weareona See Change ,weareonachange.Icanseeitcoming. J: Doyourecallthe origins of Kummara? H:IhavehearditthroughSueandshetoldmethatshewassopassionateaboutlittlebabies,children,whichshe loves, and the women that would provide the parenting, whether they would be single women or married women,whatever.Butshewasverypassionateaboutgettingsomeprogramsinplace.AndIknow,initially,she hadafriendthatlivednotfarfromme,andwehadluncharoundherplace,andthat’swhenSuewasthinking andwantingtostartitallup.AndthereweresomeyoungsinglewomendownattheValley,somegirlsondrugs andsniffing,intheearlydays,andshewantedtodosomethingwiththemtoo.Andshesaidthatshe’dgoton boardMaryandLillaand Lesley. Dulcie wasn’t there,shecamelater.AndIknewthatifSueputahandto anything,itwouldbehonest,itwouldbereliable,itwouldbetransparent,andthatwouldoperatefromavery goodgovernancearrangement.Andtheyhavebeenverysuccessful.Ijusthopethatpeoplerealisethem,that theywillbegivensomemoreassistance,andresourcestogrowbiggerandbigger.AndIseemyrolenowas supportingthosewomenasmuchasIcanbecauseIdocomeofftonationalcomitiesnextyearandIwillhave sometimeforourlocalpeopleintheBrisbanearea. AndIknowthatI willalwaysbe travellingandalways doing the international and the national stuff but it’s all that obligation of giving back yourself to your community.AndpeopleknowI’vebeenaroundandnowIamjusttoobusytoevendostuffherebutthat’smy decadeplantogiveitbackmoreincreasingly.ButasIsaidIdon’twannabeontheboardsasthereistoomany politicsontheboards.Ijustwannabearoundandspeakforthemorfacilitateworkshopsiftheywantmeto,and tohaveapresencethereintheirlives.InthatwayIcanhelp.NowIcan’tdoanyhandson,coalfaceissuesbutI cancertainlybeaspokespersoniftheywantmeto.Butlookatthem,theyhaveplentyspokeswomenwhocan talkaboutanything,aboutanysubject.SoIthinkthat’smycontributionbacktothemandbacktotheBrisbane communitytoo,whereIgrewup.AndIthinkwearealldoingthebasisofit.Iamjusttryingto seek some avenues to alleviate the gram statistics we have and to improve the social justice conditions for our people. That’salwaysinthebackofmymind,that’swhyIdoit. J: Howyousee Kummara in among other Indigenous organizations?

H:Itravelledthiscountryextensively.IwouldsaybecauseprobablyIknowKummarabetterthanmostofthe otherorganisations,thattheymademefeelveryproudtoseehowsuccessfultheyare,andhowtheyareableto gainrichpartnershipsintheirwork.Butalso,todothatwithareallystrongAboriginalwomen’sfoundationand philosophy.Ithinkitissoimportantthewaytheyseethemselves,andotherpeopleseethemselves,andcertainly thewaythattheyareabletodrawthefuturedirections.Ithinktheydoagreatjobandincomparison,Iwould say,thattheyareprobablyoneofthebestinthecountry.YouknowI’vehadalotofexperienceinknowingand visitingAboriginalorganisations...ButIhopetheywillputinforareconciliationgovernanceawardsoon,Ihope theywill,andtheyshould.IwillbespeakingaboutitwithSuenextThursdayifsheisuptoit.Goodonthem!I watchedthemfromwhentheystartedandwhentheyweregrowing...Thepresentationthattheydidrecentlywas reallyindicativeofhowthey’veprogressed.

J: WhatdidyouthinkaboutmyinterviewwithLillaWatson?Wasthereanythingyouwouldliketocomment on?

115 H:There wasabsolutelynothingI woulddisagree with.BecauseIknow how LillatalkaboutthestuffandI knowMary’sfeelingsandIhavelearntalotfromthosetwowomen,theyweremypeersandtheystillare.In manyaspectstheyare.Theyareolderthanme,theyarewiser,Ithink,andIstilllookuptothem.Theyranthe firstIndigenousprogramhereinthe80sandtaughtmesomuchthere. J: Before I first went to Kummara, you told me it was a healing centre. Do you think we can understand Kummara’s work as a cultural healing? H:Ohyes.It’saplaceofculturalhealingbecausetheyapplytheveryessenceofAboriginalwomen’scultural healingpracticesasweknowittoday.Andwhileweadaptedthesemodificationsovertheyears...really,it’sa placethat...isallabouthealing.Ithinkhealingispivotaltothewaythatitdoesitsbusiness,tothewaythatit seesitself,inawaythatitsharesinformationwithotherpeople.Itcertainlyisahealingplace,throughallthe politicsthatmightsurroundit,presentsitselffromoutsideandpossiblyinsidetoo.But,youknow,peopleget healedandtheyfeelgoodaboutplacesandpeoplewhodotherightthingsbutmoreimportantly,theydoitin suchanhonestanddignifiedmanner.Andthat’swhatIlikeaboutKummara.BecauseIknowthosewomenwho worktherearesodedicated.Youknow,ifIhadabusiness,Iwouldemploythemtomorrow,buttheywouldneed Kummara(laughter).Andtheyareallfamily.Liketheunithere,atUQ(meaningAboriginalandTorresStrait IslanderstudiesunitatQueenslandUniversity),weconsiderourselvesasafamily.Wehaveourlittlefights;we haveourlittledisagreementsbut...Andwiththat,whenyou’recomfortablewithyourself,youcanembraceother people; you can embrace them and let them into your field and let them into your space. And I know that Kummarahasdonethatforyou.Andwehavedonethatforyouto.Iknowyou’vehadagreatexperienceandI can’twaittoseeitallwrittenup!AndthiswillbeaveryvaluabledocumentforKummaratoo.

J: Jackie,howwouldyousaycanweprovethe continuity of unwritten Indigenous culture andthefactthatit has never been lost? In other words, how do you think has been the knowledge passed down throughout the Australianhistory,fromgenerationtogeneration?

H:Ok,eventhough,therearestillelementsofpeoplespeakinglanguage...forinstance,mygrandmother,she wassenttoCherbourgAboriginalmission.Theysaidtoherfamily,“youwillbepunishedifyouspeakyour language; you practice your traditional costumes and so forth”. But they subverted this and they spoke their languageathomeandmymotherandauntiesanduncleshavetoldmethat–buttheytriedtospeakEnglish mostofthetime.SotheresultofthatisthatIknowmaybeahundredAboriginalwordsfrommymothers’local languagewhichwestilluseinourtexttoeachother.AndyouwouldhaveheardthatinKummara,‘gammon’ andtheAboriginalEnglish,or‘deadly’orMurri.IthinkDulcieisadeadlyqueen.Shesays‘deadly’allthetime! Sowehaveuseditasameansbysurvivingthisworld.Butifpeoplesaytomewehavelostourculture,Idon’t believethatforonemoment.Wehaven’tlostourculture.Anditwasbestdescribedtomeataconferencein HawaiiwhereIwenttwoyearsago.AndtherethisbeautifulclassicallookingNativeAmericanwoman,shejust looked like if she stepped out this Pocahontas movie, she was just so classically beautiful and she said that “peoplewhosaythatanyIndigenouspeopleintheworldhavelosttheirculturearesountrue.It’suntruebecause wehaven’tlostit;wejustneedtoreconnectwithit.Weneedtoreconnectwethatculture,withthatOldAged cultureofthousandsandthousandsyearsbecauseit’sthere.Itmightseemstagnant,itmightseemsuppressed,it mightseemthatit’snotthereorinvisiblebutweneedtoreconnectinvariouswaytothat.”Andthatmadealot of sense. And then she drew this diagram of a circle. And she said, “Imagine that you have come from Indigenouswomen’sworld.Thereforeyouareblessedwithmanytraits.Youhavecomeoutofthebodyofan Indigenous woman who has had her culture. Surely that does affect the baby. So when you come out every personhasaculture.SothewayyoureconnectandhowyoudefinethatculturethatwillmakeyouanIndianor makeyouaCzech,ormakeyouaGreekorJeworanAsian.It’saboutfindingthatreconnection.AndIhave used that in answer to a lot of my people that got up there and said “we’ve lost our culture, we’ve lost our culture” – I say “you haven’t lost it, you can find it, and you just need to reconnect to it”. Even though colonizationwassohorriblethatitdismantledourpeople,it’saboutgettingthatreconnectiongoing. J: Sodidforexampleyourmothertellyouaboutoldtraditionsandcostumes?

H:Shetoldmeasmuchasshecould.AndIknowthatyouknowthehistorywhentheywereputontomissions andreserves,deniedtheirlanguage,andculture,andalltherestofit,andtheywerepunishedfordoingso,that inverysmallwayscouldtheypassthaton.Butmymothertoldmestories,andshepasseditontomysonJohn, whenhewasveryyoung,andonherothergrandchildren.Soshehadstoriesandshehadknowledgeofstories thatwerepasseddownbyhermotherandfather.Soit’sthereinasense.That’swhyIthinkwe’veneverlostour cultureatall.

116 J: MightitbeusefulforAboriginalpeopletobe influenced from other cultures, andto,kindoftransformtheir culture? H:Itcanbeok.Justtakeoutwhatyouwantandthrowouttherest.Ihavetotellyouthisstory.Ihavebeen involvedinthehistorysummitandIworkedinaworkingpartyoffivepeopletolookatthewayhistoryistaught in this country and also to do up questions and milestones about insetting Aboriginal history and Aboriginal people.Andthefirstonewashowmanyyearswehavebeenhere?Isayseventythousand,SamWatsonsaysa hundredthousand,andfortytosixtyistheanthropologicalnumberbuttherearedebateswithinthataswell.It wasalongtime.Andthentheyhaveatheorycalled‘landbridge’theorythatwecamefromAsia.AndMary Graham’sanswertothat–nomatterhowlongthey’vetriedtoprovethatwecomefromanywhereelse–justthe longerwekeepgettingintothiscountry.Because,youknow,therehasbeensomeradiocarbondatinginthe Kimberleythatputsusbackuptohundredthousandyears.Butitwasmuch,yousee,andtheycouldn’tdefine that. But definitely there has been scientific archaeological evidence up to at least sixty thousand years. And thosedebatesgoonallthetimebetweenusandAfricanpeopleandevenChinesepeople.SowhenIsayweour oneoftheoldestlivingsurvivingculturesontheplanet,whereassomeofourpeoplesay“wearethe”butIdon’t knowwhetheryoucanbesoprescriptiveandsodefiniteaboutthat.Butanyway,look,it’salongtime.Theysay the‘arrival’ofthefirstpeoples.AndIsaytothemyouhavetotakeout‘arrivals’becauseourworldviewisthat weevolvefromthisland.Andyoucouldseethem“oh,hereshegoesagain”,andIgotafewnods.Isaidsowe putthetimeloan“firstpeoplesoccupiedAustraliaforfortytosixtythousandyears”andthentherewasevena bitiffywith“occupied”andIsaid“well,inhabited,there’sscientificevidencethatsayswewerehere,wewere thefirstpeople”sothankgoodnessIgotthatchange.ThisiswheremytermsofreferencethatLillaspeaksabout inherpapercomethroughbecauseweknowthatbutitcanbedatedwithscientificevidenceaswell.Sothis dynamismisveryimportantintermsofperson’sname,wheretheycomefrom,there’sawholerangeofthatI guess. J: Whatdo the terms of reference mean for you? LillaandMarywantwomentotalkaboutit,andtofinda commonground.

H:IthinkIamverymuchinthatleaguetoo.BecauseIthinkIknowwhattermsofreferenceistomeanditis beingstrongandproudandhavingyouridentityasawoman,asamother,asanaunt...generallybeingagood person.AndyouknowtheseAboriginaltermsofreferencetoo...Ithinkthatpeoplewhodoculturalawareness trainingcourses,theyshouldbedoingWhitenesstrainingcoursesaboutthemselves.Let’sputtheshoeonthe otherfootnow.Becauseyouknowit’saboutpeoplefixingthemselvesupbeforetheycomeandwannadostuff withus.ButAboriginaltermsofreferenceareabouthowpeoplegetthatbackandfeelveryproudaboutit.ButI think it is very difficult to explain that in the mainstream. If you try to explain Whiteness, I think it’s much easier.ButwithAboriginaltermsofreferencepeoplewouldsay,“wellthat’sonlyexclusivelyAboriginal,only Aboriginalpeoplecandothat”.Andwhatdoesthatmean?WhereasifyousaytoWhitefellows“wellwhatdo youmean?Ifyouexplainyourstufftome...It’sjustanoppositionalidea.Andeventheritesofpassagewhich areanewidea...Ithinkthatisfantasticandwearelearningheaps.Seethe See Change –asDulciecallsitthe seachangeiscoming. J: Isthatlike White people are asking you what your terms of reference are but that they even wouldn’t know how to express their own?

H:Exactly,that’sexactlywhatyoumean.It’slike“youshowmeyours,Ishowyoumine”.It’slikeintheSister girlbook,there’sapassageonit.Actually,bellhookssaysthisinourinterviewwedidtogether(Huggins,J., SisterGirl,1998,p.61).Shesays:“AndthatmeansIdon’twantaWhitewomantowanttobemyfriendwhen shehasn’tyetthoughtaboutunlearningherracism.Otherwise,thenIfeellikeIambeingputonceagainin,you know,“IwantyoutobemyfriendsoIcanhavesomeonewhowillhelpmeunlearnmyracism”.Onceagain, thisputsBlackwomeninthekindofmaidserviceposition,as“helpmetodosomethingthatwillbenefitme” ratherthanthekindofapproachofmutualityofsharingthatwouldsay“wecouldbebondedtogetherbecause wearebothcommittedtotheantiraciststruggleandtheantisexiststruggleandthatthosetwothings,thosetwo commitmentsconvergeandundergirdandstrengtheneachother.”AndthenIsaidhowreallydrainedIamwhen IgotoafeministconferenceandIamtheonlyBlack woman therespeakingoutaboutIndigenous women’s rights.AndImustsaythat‘thankgoodness’youknowthereisalotmorenowoutthere...notsomanybutour BlackwomenaregoingtoconferencesandaretalkingaboutIndigenouswomen’spositionwhichisreallygood andthatstuffthatbellhookssaid...Isaid“welllook,fortythousandyearsistheanswer,you work out the equationtoracism,andyoutellmewhyyougetthatanswerallthetime.Soit’saboutputtingstuffbackon studentstoworkitoutthemselvesbecausewegettiredofdoingtheeducating.Butwestilldoit,youknow?And that’sthegraciousnessof,particularlyAboriginalwomen,Ithink.Butthat’sourrole,that’swhatweshoulddo.

117 J: Howwouldyou compare the feminist call for equality with Indigenous women’s agenda?

H:See,wewerealwaysanegalitariansociety;itwasnotuntilapatriarchalarrangementsandcolonialismcame to our country that it fragmented that. And see, a lot of our men try to be like White men and try to be chauvinisticandvioletwomenandchildrenbecause,youknow,beforetherewereverystrongrulesetcetera.So we’vealways–andIthinkithasbeenanintrinsicpartofAboriginalwomen’sbusinessthatwe’veneverlost thatindependencethatautonomyandstrengthofbeingAboriginalwomen,whereasmenhave.Theirroleshave beenincrediblyeroded,emasculated,andtheyaretryingnowtogetbackandtofindthat.Throughthemen’s groupsthathavebeenrunningaroundthecountrytheyaretryingtoredefinewhattheirroleis,andwhetherthey havelostout,whethertheyhavegoneofftherails.Womenhavealwaysbeenwithchildrensowefollowthat pathdownthere,andstayonit,youknow,despitealltheobstacles. J: Ifthepositionofwomenwithchildrenisstillthere,do Indigenous women need to strengthen this position?

H:Yeah,see,it’sthere.It’sabitlike...culture.Weneedtoreconnecttothosemodels;weneedtoreconnectas women.Becausewehaveit,innately,stillhealthwithinourbeings,thatisfareasierforustodothat.Fareasier thanmen,Ithink. J: Wouldyousaythatthepathitisstillintherebutnotstrongenough?

H:Well,Idon’tthinkithaseverbeenloudpubliclytoreallyresurfaceortobeapartofthelivingvivantculture thatwehave.Andthat’swhythemediawillgotomenasspokesmen.That’swhyweseeallthementalking aboutit.Whereasthosementoo,theyknowthatwomenareonesthatdoallthatwork.Youknow,theyhave mothersandsistersandauntsandcousinswhohaveneverlostitandwhowillalwaysbethebackboneofthe society.Andthat’swhatwomenareessentially.Aboriginalwomenarethebackbonesofthesociety.Andyou get very few arguments from Aboriginal men. In fact, when I’ve said that very publicly in lectures and in Aboriginalmeetings,youknow,Iseeallthemennod.Becauseit’strue.I’venotseenonemancomeuptome andsay,“that’snottrueatall”.Ihaven’thaditwhenmenhavenotacceptedthat. J: Butthat’s whatexactly womeninKummaratold methatthere wastoo many men everywhere, inpublic domain,speakingonbehalfofwomen,andeveninchildcare.

H:Yes.Imean,whodoestheAustraliannewspapergoto?NoelPearson.Whodoesalotofthemediagoto here?It’sabrotherSamWatson.Andwhilstthat’sfineandgood,IwouldlovetohearMaryGrahamorLilla Watsonspeakingout.Ihaveanopportunitytodothatallthetimebutit’saboutwomenwhoarearound,doing thecoalfaceandworkinginthelocalcommunitiesallthetime.Andthat’sthesameforalloverAustralia.Iget thenewspaperclipseverydaythatareIndigenous.AndIwouldsayeightypercentaremenspeaking.SoIagree with Kummara, we have to create a shift in that dynamic. Women now get to be the main spokes people, whereasbeforethey’veneverhad.AndIblameonanthropologistshistoricallybecausewhentheycameintoour country,theyonlyspoketothemen.Andleftthewomenononesideignoreduscompletely. J: SomeWhiteauthorshavesaidthat the position of women has reasonably weakened astheyarenolonger maintainingtheirformerroles,andthattheyaremuchmoresettled,stayingathome,andmoredependenton theirhusbands.Howwouldyoucontradictthis? H:AlotofWhitewomensaythatbutifyoureadmystuffingenderrelationtoAustraliacalled‘Aboriginal womenareeverywhere’and‘Sistergirl’,youwillseethatwearenotsittingathomeanddoingnothingatall. Weareraisingfamiliesandraisingcommunities.AndwearealsoinvolvedincommunityactivitiessoIthink whatyou’vereadhasobviouslycomefromanonIndigenouswomanwhohasnothadtheinsightorhasn’thad thatexperienceofAboriginalwomen,ofknowingus.Idon’tknowanyAboriginalwomanwhoisjustsittingat home. She is doing something very vital for her children and for her communities. And I think that’s what Kummara is about, about promoting those women. And the job they do is the most precious in the world of raisingkids.Ican’tthinkofanymoreimportantjobthanbeingamother. J: Intermsoftheimportanceofthismother’srole,Lillawastalkingaboutthatfeministmovementcreated a negative image of mothering. Runningthehouseandraisingchildrenmightbeobservedasasignofwomen’s inequalitytomen.Doyouagree? H:Becausetheirfirstthingiswork,isn’tit?Theprotestantworkethicisthatyougooutandyouwork.And carryingaboutchildrenissecondarytothat.Andit’snot.Youhavetogivechildrenthefirstpart.Imean,ifyou cancombinethat,it’sgreat.Manypeoplecombinethat,evenI,beingamotherandaworkingperson.

118 J: AndhowdoesitcomethattherehasbeenmanyIndigenousorganisations,eveninchildcare,thatwererunby men?HowitdoescomethatMaryGrahamcannotbesittinghere?

H:Ithinkthereisalotofinstitutionalracismandsexismbutthat’sattachedtothis.See,Iknowintheearlydays ofchildcare,allthespokesmenweremen.Theyhardlyeversawthewomenspeaker,althoughyouknowthere werepeoplelikeMaryGrahamthatweredoingthehardyardsbutyouwouldneverhearthemwhentherewere TVcruiseorradiocruisearound.Soit’saboutdoingthatpublicstuff.ButIdon’tthinkthemasscommunication inthiscountrygetsitevennow.Therearesomeverycapable,eloquent,andbeautifullyspokenwomeninour communities. They just go to the men, and you know when Patrick Dotson was the chair of the council for reconciliation, he did great job, but they went to him all the time. They went to Evelyn Scott too when she becameachairbutIdon’tthinknotasmuchasPatrick.Becausetherewasamalevoicethere,amalestand,you know? J: Itmightbeeverywherethesame.

H:It’severywherethroughouttheworld,isn’tit?Andit’saboutmen,tryingtoregaintheirplaceaswell.And wegonnahelpthemwiththat.Weareallpartofthis...ideologywecallAboriginalitywomenandmentogether forsure.Andtheracismstuff,itdoesn’tplayfavouritesbetweenmenandwomenforsure. J: See,Ihaven’treadmuchon decolonization butwouldyousaythatthisreconnectingispartofit?

H:Yes,becausewehavebeenstrippedoffalotofourculturalpracticesand...Yeahwedoneedtoreconnect becausewewerestrippedwithcolonization.Weneedtogetbacktowherewewere.NowIwasthinking,when youwannaclaimNativetitleinthiscountry,howyougetlandclaims,whereyouhavetoprovetraditionaland continuantoccupation.And,formanyofus,wecan’tdothat.Alotofushavebeenpushedintomissionsand reservesanddisconnectedfromourcountry.Wedon’tknowthatstory,thosearenotourplaces.Butwedoneed to somehow find a way of reconnecting. People at StradbrokeIslanddefined.It’saclearcase.Theyhaven’t movedfromthere.Theystillpracticetheirtraditionalculture.Theygooutandhuntandfishandlookforoysters, huntkangarooontheislandandstuff...Andyoucanseethatall,it’saveryclearcase.Buttheyarestilltryingto get their claims up and the Law of this country doesn’t wanna see us. And you have been here to a very importanttimewhentheNungapeopleinPerthgotNativeTitle.Youseethefearsnessoftheoppositiontothat? Thegovernmentjustsaid,“we’lltakethemtocourt”,theliberalandthelabourgovernmenthavejoinedtheir forcestosayit’snotonanditshouldn’tbegiven.Sothegovernmentcomesagainstusnomatterwhatpolitical persuasiontheyare.Stillalongwaytogo! J: Ok.ThelastquestionJackiewhatdoyouread?

H:Ilovereading.Iamalwaysreadingthreebooksatatime.Ok.Oneisalwaysaselfhelpbookbecause,Ithink Iamonajourneynowof...IjustturnedfiftythisyearandIwannareadabitmoreaboutotherpeople.Igetvery tiredofreadingIndigenoustexts,soIneedtoescapeabit(laughter)!Ilovereadingautobiographiesandlife storiesofanyone.Suegivesmesomeoftheromancebooks.Theyaresortofawomenmeetsamanlaterinlife andtheyfallinlove,youknowit’sanicefantasy.ThebookIamreadingnowwasgiventomeformybirthday andit’sabout60scivilrightsmovementsandit’sveryheavy,soIreaddifferentbookstoescapefromthatalittle bit,andthencomeback.Iusuallyreadtheselfbook,it’shealingbookandItakebitswhatIcanfromit. J: DidyousayitismostlyIndigenous?

H:IwouldsayitusedtobeverymuchIndigenousuntillasttwoyears.AllofitwasIndigenous.InfactIhave neverreadmuchoutside.ButIfoundnowIamreadingmoreoutsideIndigenousbooks.Ihavetoreaditbecause ofmywork.Andyouknowwhat?NoonehaseverwrittenagoodhealingbookforAboriginalwomen.AndI’ve beentoldthatinthenextsevenyears,Iamgoingtowriteabookthatwouldbebiggerandbetterthananything everI’vewritten.AndIkindofhaveahunchthatitcouldbethisbook.CauseallthestuffthatIamdoingon nationalAboriginalwomen’sleadershipandwaywetalkaboutit,everytimeIthinkIshouldbeputtingthisinto abook.SoIthinkthat’swhereIamheadinginthewayofmynextbook.Thatwillbeoutinsevenyearstime. AlwayswhenI’vewrittenthings,mywomenloveit.Aboriginalwomentelltome“ohJackiethatwasjustthe bestthingyouwroteonleadership,thebestthingyouwroteonfeminism,youknow,becauseyoureallyspoketo me”.Well,Iwannafindabookthatwillspeaktothemabouthavingsuccess,beingpositive...Soitwillbethis bookonhealing,orselfhelp,oronbeinganAboriginalwoman,allthosethings.ItwillbeinthatvainIthink.

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