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ATEOTT 12 Transcript EPISODE 12 [INTRO] “[00:00:03] RH:​ Most ATEOTT 12 Transcript EPISODE 12 [INTRO] “[00:00:03] RH: Most people say, “Well, you believe it’s going to happen the whole time ​ and that makes it happen.” I sort of thought it would never happen even, because I knew all of the sort of weird difficulties and legal problems, political problems, financial issues and I just thought it would fall apart at some point. I think I was okay with that. Even when we started construction and we’re going to open it, I also knew that it could fail and that people might not want to climb up three flights of stairs to walk on an elevated walkway that has a history — elevated walkways have a history of failure in urban planning US, and then would all the plantings die? Because all these planting you see up there is in 12 inches of soil basically and it’s on a bridge, so it freezes from above and below. It heats from above and below. It’s a really harsh environment. Would all the plants get trampled with the planking collapse? Even when we opened, I wasn’t sure is this thing going to work?” [00:01:26] LW: Hello friends and welcome back to At The End of The Tunnel podcast with ​ yours truly, Light Watkins. Our guest today, at least for me, he’s the epitome of that Emerson quote, “Our chief want is someone who will inspire us to be what we know we could be.” He inspires me to know in and I'm sure he's going to do the same for you. In this episode, we’re going to hear how a regular Joe named Robert Hammond helped to create what eventually became one of New York's most iconic landmarks called The High Line. If you’ve been in New York in the last 10 years, you've probably heard of The High Line. Maybe you've been on The High Line. It’s that amazing park that was built into the old elevated train tracks along the west side of Manhattan. When we think about places like that, we probably imagine that they were created by some wealthy trust or a group of city planners or some big shot developers and that we could never conceive of something so massive. Well, Robert is none of those things. He was just a guy living in the neighborhood who happened to care enough about some old dilapidated train tracks to do something about it. As you’ll hear, pretty much everything in his past had been steadily preparing him and guiding him © 2020 At the End of the Tunnel 1 ATEOTT 12 Transcript toward this path to preserve this unique park high above the concrete jungles of New York. Two things to be aware of; I recorded this podcast in Mexico City, and Robert was in his office at The High Line. So my sound quality wasn't the best. Plus, Robert, was clicking a pen for part of the interview. So you may hear clicking noises while he's talking, and that's what that is. But it's still a great story and hopefully you won’t find those noises too distracting. Without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Mr. Robert Hammond. [INTERVIEW] [00:03:34] LW: Robert, thank you so much for joining the podcast. I’m super excited to dive a ​ little bit more into the story behind the story, which is kind of our thing here At The End of The Tunnel. I always like to start these conversations talking about childhood, and we’re going to get to who you are and all that later. So don't worry about that, but what was your favorite toy or activity as a child that you recall? [00:04:03] RH: Well, I was raised by a really interesting mother who, I think if she had been ​ born a little bit later would have been an artist. I think she was an artist, but she just didn’t call herself an artist, and she just gave me a really interesting childhood. For example, like we had a beehive in our living room that had a tube that went outside and we would like collect honey. She would – Very unconventional, slightly maybe even unsafe. I realized we would boil lead in the kitchen on the stove and then pour it in seashells to make paperweights, which again I don’t know how healthy that was, but it was really fun as a kid. We’d go to the back, there was like a stationary store and we’d go in the alley way and take their paper scraps from a dumpster and then make books out of them with this binding glue that she would get. One time she wanted to show me how to make paper. So she cut down some bamboo in the yard, cut off part of the screen porch and put the bamboo in the blender with newspaper and then poured it on the screen. I grew up with like a lot of sort of unusual childhood memories that I was embarrassed about for a while, because I realized at the time I was like, “Well, my mom is not like other people's moms in suburban Texas.” But now I realize it gave me a really unique perspective on things. © 2020 At the End of the Tunnel 2 ATEOTT 12 Transcript [00:05:52] LW: It sounds like you enjoyed taking sort of raw materials and making new things ​ out of those materials. Do you remember when your mother was doing these things, do you remember feeling at the time when she would involve you and feeling like it was a hassle or were you kind of like excited about your mom like exploring this new thing or inventing this new thing with these objects? [00:06:19] RH: No. I think the cool part was to me it was a sort of normal. I didn't think that ​ much about it. [00:06:26] LW: For instance, my mother used to walk around naked all the time. So I just ​ assumed everybody's mother walked around naked in the house, and she would sometimes even answer the door with no clothes on. She wouldn’t open it wide. She would just stick her head over, and I would be so embarrassed when she would do that if my friends were coming. Yeah, I would kind of yell at her sometimes when she would do that. [00:06:48] RH: When I was really young, I mean, I always knew I was different. I always knew I ​ liked things that other kids didn't like, and that the things other kids like I didn't like or other boys liked. I wasn't into sports. I guess as I became older, like 10, 12, 13, is when I got more embarrassed about it. I remember coming home one day and she was decomposing a stork skeleton with acid in the kitchen sink because she wanted the vertebra of the stork to see. I realized, “Okay, this is not what other mothers are doing.” Mothers are – I don’t know, baking cookies or something are working. Yeah, when I became older, I did became embarrassed and sometimes I want to just a normal mom. [00:07:55] LW: But obviously, all of these experiments left an impression upon you, right? ​ [00:07:58] RH: Yeah. I think, to me, you are saying that it was really like she was able to find ​ beauty in places most people don't look or in things a lot of people think are ugly. She would take a road kill home and taxidermy it herself, which was illegal by the way. So most people are interested in road kill. [00:08:22] LW: Right. I can imagine – Okay, so you have this sort of role model doing these ​ © 2020 At the End of the Tunnel 3 ATEOTT 12 Transcript really unconventional things. Would you be out in the world too and see something and kind of be inspired by what your mother would do in the kitchen as a child and do it yourself or explore it or be excited about coming back and telling, reporting to her what you did or anything like that? Was there anything that you remember that you did on your own independently from your mother? [00:08:49] RH: I don’t know. No. I think that was really driven by her. Later, I got my own sort ​ of odd interest. In middle school, I became obsessed with Russia, which this was in the mid-80s in Texas, which was not a normal interest and got my parents to let me go there by myself for spring break when I was in eighth grade. Then I lived there for three months when I was in high school. That was like my own unorthodox interest at the time. [00:09:23] LW: When you say by yourself, you mean with the school program obviously? ​ [00:09:26] RH: Yeah, with a group. With a tour group. ​ [00:09:29] LW: Some sort of exchange. Some kind of exchange program. ​ [00:09:31] RH: It was just like a tour group. They let me go on a tour group by myself. ​ [00:09:39] LW: Okay. Do you speak Russian? Did you learn how to speak any Russian? ​ [00:09:43] RH: I did.
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