Voh11Qe V. Tuesday No. 7 111d.\ 13th August, 1963 ~

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES

DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 759) THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY (1962 AND 1963) (No. 3) BILL [Col. 766) MALAYSIA AGREEMENT (Motion) [Col. 800)

DI-CHETAK Dl-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERA1AAN KUALA LUMPUR 1963

FEDERATION OF MALAYA

DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report

Fifth Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat

Tuesday, 13th August, 1963 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, P.M.N., S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Information and Broadcasting, Y.T.M. TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). ,, the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TuN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Johor Timor). the Minister of Finance, ENcHE' TAN Srnw SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah). ,, the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' v. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Muar Selatan). the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JuBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor). the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JOHAR! (Kedah Tengah). the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah). the Minister of Health, EN CHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan). " the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). the Minister of Education, Tuan HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT Au KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM " SWEE (Bukit Bintang). the Assistant Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' v. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Klang). 755 13 AUGUST 1963 756 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting, " ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YusoF (Jerai). ENCHE' ABDUL Aziz BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat). ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Melaka Utara). " ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K. " (Krian Laut). ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HussIN (Lipis). " ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani). " TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF " (Kuala Kangsar). TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S. (Segamat Utara). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir). " ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). " ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J. " (Johor Bahru Barat). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara). " ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YusoF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat). " TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM " (Kubang Pasu Barat). ENCHE' Aziz BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). " DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD. NOOR (Besut). " ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan). " ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong). " ENCHE' CHAN SWEE Ho (Ulu Kinta). " ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar). ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor). " ENCHE' v. DAVID (Bungsar). DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAii HASHIM, P.M.N. " (Jitra-Padang Terap). " ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N. (Penang Utara). " ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar). " ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YuNus, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara). " ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling). " ENcHE' HARUN BIN P1Lus (Trengganu Tengah). TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD " (Kuala Trengganu Utara). " TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat). " ENcHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan). " ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN To' MuoA HASSAN (Raub). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NooRDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Parit). " TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN " (Kota Bharu Hulu). ., ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah) . 757 13 AUGUST 1963 758 The Honourable ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). ,, ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJJ KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). ENCHE' KANG KocK SENG (Batu Pahat). ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara). CHE' KHADUAH BINTI MOHD. SIDEK (Dungun). ENCHE' LEE SAN CHooN, K.M.N. (Kluang Utara). " ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim). ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N. (Sepang). " ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG, J.P. (Alor Star). ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). ENCHE' LIU y OONG PENG (Rawang). ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson). " ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol). ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak). " ENCHE' MOHAMED AsRI BIN HAJI MuDA (Pasir Puteh). ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD. DAHAN (Ulu Perak). DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJJ ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K. (Pasir Mas Hulu). ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara). TUAN HAJJ REDZA BIN HAJJ MOHD. SAID, J.P. (Rembau-Tam pin). ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai). ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (lpoh). TUAN SYED EsA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., s.M.J., P.1.s. (Batu Pahat Dalam). TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Sabak Bernam). ENCHE' T AJUDIN BIN Au, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan). EN CHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong). ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru). TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan). DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan). ENCHE' Too JooN HING (Telok Anson). ENCHE' v. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan). WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI Au (Kelantan Hilir). WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K. (Kota Star Selatan). WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED, K.M.N. (Kemaman). ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh). " ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas). 759 13 AUGUST 1963 760 The Honourable ENCHE' YONG Woo MING (Sitiawan). PuAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S. " (Pontian Selatan). TUAN HAJJ ZAKARIA BIN HAJJ MOHD. T AIB (Langat). ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok). ABSENT: The Honourable ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak). " ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu G~jah). ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJJ MOHD. Au (Kuala Selangor). NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir). ENCHE' QuEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat). ENCHE' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu). TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N. (Johor Tenggara). ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' KHAw KAI-BOH, P.J.K. PRAYERS Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Mr Speaker, Sir, as I have said, modifi­ (Mr Speaker in the Chair) cations to this scheme will be made whenever and wherever necessary and ORAL ANSWERS TO the minimum qualification for the QUESTIONS teachers required for the Day Training scheme is at present the Lower School TEACHERS' DAY TRAINING Certificate, but at present we have, to CENTRES a large extent, taken teachers with the 1. Encbe' V. Veerappen (Seberang School Certificate, and, therefore, I Selatan) asks the Minister of Education believe the number of trainees with to state whether Day Training Centres higher qualifications have increased. are to be permanent features of our Encbe' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, Teacher Training System. Sir, would the Minister say whether any ~- The Minister of Education (Tuan financial inducement would be given to Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr Speaker. teachers from the Day Training Centres Sir, the Day Training scheme will to qualify themselves to obtain better continue as a feature of our Teacher qualifications? Training System so long as we are still Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, required to produce primary teachers to there is no inducement. The matter has meet the unprecedented expansion in not been considered. primary education as at present. Modi­ fications to this scheme however have SCHOOL FEES FROM MALAY been, and will continue to be made PRIMARY SCHOOL PUPILS from time to time whenever and ADMITTED INTO ENGLISH wherever circumstances permit in order MEDIUM SECONDARY SCHOOLS to improve it. 2. Encbe' V. Veerappen asks the Minis­ Encbe' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, ter of Education to state whether he Sir, would the Honourable Minister is aware that a circular sent by his say whether the Day Training Teachers Ministry demanding fees as from June are suitably qualified to teach children 1963 from pupils from Malay primary in their most formative years. schools who have been admitted into

------761 13 AUGUST 1963 762 English Medium Secondary Schools, Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Sir, is is causing difficulties to such pupils; the Minister prepared to reconsider and if so whether he will consider and amend the report, if necessary? waiving such fees. Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: That Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Yes. question does not arise. Administrative directions with a view to implement paragraph 122 of the PUPILS IN MALAY SECONDARY Education Review Committee Report, SCHOOLS-PURCHASE OF 1960, were issued by my Ministry in TEXTBOOKS January and June 1962. I regret that 3. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the Minis­ I am not able to waive such fees. Those ter of Education to state whether he pupils concerned who wish to avail is aware that many pupils in Malay themselves of free secondary education secondary streams have till today not could obtain this by either joining a bought textbooks and if so, to state the Malay medium secondary class, or steps he is taking to assist them. remaining in the English medium secondary school and applying for and Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, obtaining either (a) scholarships which my Ministry is aware that there are include free place factor, if they so some pupils in the Malay secondary merit consideration, or (b) free places streams who are not able to purchase within the permissible 10 per cent of their textbooks. Unlike the policy of the enrolment of anyone fully assisted free supply of basic textbooks to pupils school. of Sekolah Kebangsaan, the policy in regard to Malay secondary pupils is Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, that these pupils are expected to Sir, is he aware that most of the stu­ purchase the textbooks themselves. dents who are affected by this are those My Ministry, however, does provide who joined the schools before they were financial assistance to deserving pupils aware that fees would be collected? by means of awarding them Federal Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid: Khan: Sir, Minor Scholarships which, I may point many students, or their parents at least, out, contain a textbook factor. should have been aware of the recom­ mendations of the Education Review Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, Committee Report. It is a policy which Sir, is he aware that from that very states that free education is given in few 30 per cent who happen to go National Language Primary Schools to secondary schools will not be able and schools of that medium at to continue in secondary schools just secondary level. because they cannot afford to buy textbooks and they are wasting their Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, ti!ne for nine months of the year there? Sir, surely the Minister knows that this, as he said, is the result of the Rahman Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: It Talib Report. The pupils, who joined is not the Government's policy to these schools, joined them earlier than supply textbooks to Secondary National when this was implemented and, Schools. therefore, they were unaware and they Enche' V. Veerappen: Cannot the were misled-even in the case of those Government help those who are poor­ who joined later. As he said, Mr at least those who are in need? Speaker, Sir, this Circular was issued in June, 1962, and they were not Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: I warned : is it fair to penalise them have already mentioned the policy of now? Government. In addition to that Mem­ bers of the Board of Governors of Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, schools can consider ways and means I have mentioned just now that this to assist these pupils : for example, is based on the recommendation of the the Headmaster can buy books to Education Review Committee Report supply them to the pupils on instal­ which was out in 1960. ments. 763 13 AUGUST 1963 764 Enche' V. Veerappen: Sir, I do not now, that a case was reported to the think if reflects much credit on the Ministry for investigation concerning Members of the Board, if they have not the Silver Top Taxi Company. If the been aware of the situation in the Minister was not aware of that, is he schools. prepared to investigate whether the Mr Speaker: That is not a question. "pajak" system is operated in that Company or not. Enche' V. Veerappen: Is it the policy of the Government to deprive educa­ Dato' Haji Sardon: Before we go tion from children who are unable to any further into this "pajak" system, purchase textbooks? I would like to say that the word "pajak" is a Malay word. I hope that Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: That the Honourable Member understands matter is outside this question. that "pajak" means lease or assignment, Enche' V. V eerappen: This matter is which is contrary to the Ordinance I not outside the question. I am asking have mentioned. We have inquired into a straightforward question. the case in respect of this Company which was reported to the Commis­ Mr Speaker: Do you want to reply sioner of Road Transport and the to that? Company was asked to show cause. Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: No. Unfortunately, on the evidence it was found that the Company had not Mr Speaker: You require notice. "pajak" or assigned, or leased. There­ Enche' K. Karam Singh (Damansara): foi:e, the Government cannot take any Could the Honourable Minister clarify action in this matter. his interpretation of the word "free" Enche' V. David: I can understand in the context of books and all that and interpret Bahasa Kebangsaan better being supplied to children. than the Minister himself. (Laughter). Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Mr Speaker: Order, order. When we give free education in the National language it means free of. Enche' V. David: Sir, the question is school fees. that the Silver Top Taxi Company has Enche' K. Karam Singh: Does the been leasing out taxis to certain drivers Minister of Education admit that edu­ at the rate of $20 to $22 a day. We cation is not entirely free, but it is have produced substantial evidence, only free as regards school fees. but the Commissioner of Transport has not examined the case with an open TAXI SERVICES-"PAJAK" mind. So, I ask the Minister, whether SYSTEM he will take a personal interest in this 4. Enche' V. David asks the Minister matter. of Transport to state whether the Dato' Haji Sardon: I wish my Government supports the "pajak" Honourable friend will give evidence system among taxi operation services. as a witness in this inquiry. I will The Minister of Transport (Dato' certainly see to it that a further inquiry Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): No. The is conducted, but would he undertake Government does not support the to give evidence? "pajak" or any system adopted by a Enche' V. David: I will, Sir. taxi owner which is tantamount to him appointing an agent or an attorney for FEDERAL CITIZENSHIP the purpose of exercising any of the CERTIFICATES-DELAY rights conferred on him as the licence holder, as this constitutes an offence 5. Enche' V. David asks the Minister under the Road Traffic Ordinance, of the Interior to state if he is aware 1958: that it takes six months to obtain a Federal Citizenship Certificate from the Enche' V. David: The Minister date of application and, if so, whether should have been aware. or is aware he would give the reason for the delay.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~--~~- 765 13 AUGUST 1963 766 The Minister of the Interior (Dato' so, what action had been taken on com­ Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rah· laints made. man): In case of straightforward appli­ cations, where all the relevant parti­ The Minister of Internal Security culars are submitted, the various pro­ (Dato' Dr Ismail): I am not aware of cesses involved in the granting of this but if complaints have been lodged citizenship certificates necessarily takes at Police Stations, these complaints will about two to three months to complete. be investigated with great care by I am aware that in some registration Senior Police Officers under the direct centres, citizenship certificates were supervision of the Chief Police Officers. issued after a much longer period due I have caused an investigation to be to any one or a combination of the made on the allegation contained in following reasons: the question from the Honourable (a) failure by the applicants to give Member and this investigation reveals correct and/ or sufficient parti­ that since 1st January, 1963, no reports culars on applications; of assaults by Police Officers have been lodged at the Cheras Road Police (b) failure to supply documentary Station, or at any other Police Stations evidences to substantiate certain in Kuala Lumpur "D" Division. There answers to the items on applica­ is, however, a report lodged by a tion forms: e.g., birth certificates, gazetted officer that an Indian youth certificates from schools, travel named Mayan reported to him that he documents, etc.; was assaulted at Cheras Police Station (c) failure by Referees to certify the on 23rd July, 1963. The normal investi­ sufficient period of residence on gation as a result of this report cannot applications required under the be proceeded with, because Mayan was Article under which the applica­ not prepared to proceed with the tion is submitted; matter. (d) failure by the applicants to rectify particulars in cases of birth certi­ BILL ficates produced where the parti­ culars differ when compared with mE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY the applications for· citizenship; (1962 and 1963) (No. 3) BILL (e) failure to supply the proper Second Reading forwarding address and delays The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan caused by undelivered correspon­ Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to dence; move that a Bill intituled "an Act to (f) Malay Tests are now conducted apply sums out of the Consolidated by a Language Board which com­ Fund for additional expenditure for the prise prominent members of the service of the years 1962 and 1963 and public. There are occasions when to appropriate such sums for certain some members are unable to purposes," be read a second time. attend as often as necessary This Bill seeks approval for two owing to unavoidable circum­ separate sets of Supplementary Esti­ stances; mates, one for the year 1962 and one (g) an abnormal increase in the for 1963. A Fifth Supplement is number of applications. required for 1962 while a Third Supple­ ment is now required for 1963. CHERAS ROAD POLICE STA­ Clause 2 of the Bill seeks authority TION-ASSAULT ON Youms for additional expenditure of $181,500 ARRESTED for the service of the year 1962 and this is shown in the First Schedule to the 6. Enche' V. David asks the Minister Bill and also in the Supply Expenditure of Internal Security if he is aware that section of the Fifth Supplementary youths have been frequently assaulted at Estimates, 1962, tabled as Command the Cheras Road Police Station and, if Paper No. 20 of 1963. 767 13 AUGUST 1963 768 The original estimates approved by sent stands at $15 million, and this will Parliament for 1962 amounted to be just adequate for normal purposes. $1,039 million, in round figures. Taking With the advent of Malaysia, there will both the "Supply" and "Charged" certainly be an increase in the number estimated expenditure into considera­ of urgent and unforeseen items which tion, the total, including the four will require to be paid for from the previous Supplements and the present Contingencies Fund in the first instance, Supplement which the House is now and I therefore consider it prudent to requested to approve, will come to raise the total of the Fund to $25 $1,134 million. The actual total expen­ million. diture for 1962, however, amounted to The third large item of additional $1,072 million. Hence, not all the addi­ expenditure required for 1963 is in tional money of about $95 million respect of Head 40 Sub-heads 17, 24, provided by way of supplementary 27 (1) and 38 amounting to $423,000 estimates have been expended. The (in round figures) sought by the Police actual expenditure, in fact, exceeded in order to provide the necessary cloth­ the original estimates by about $33 ing, arms and other equipment for the million only. five Federal Police Reserve Units Clause 3 of the Bill seeks to incur which have been raised to take on additional expenditure of $20,143,386 additional internal security commit­ in respect of the year 1963 as itemised ments in Singapore. The fourth large in the Second Schedule to the Bill and item of additional expenditure required also in the Third Supplementary Esti­ is in respect of the supplement to Head mates, 1963, which are laid before the S. 14 Sub-head 28 "The New York House as Command Paper No. 22 of World Fair". Honourable Members 1963. The second document shows that will recall that a token vote of $10 was a sum of $265,440 is required for entered in the 1963 Estimates when this "charged" expenditure so that the total House approved the Government's expenditure covered by the Third intention to participate in the New Supplementary Estimates, 1963 is York World Fair. The first year's really $20,408,826. A sum of over $7 rental of the site for the Federation million has already been advanced Pavilion amounting to $95,000 fell due from the Contingencies Fund to meet for payment in May this year. As an urgent expenditures which now have to early payment had to be made, an be recouped. advance from the Contingencies Fund Of the $20 million (in round figures) has already been made to meet this of additional funds required for 1963, payment. a sum of more than $6 million is As the details regarding the addi­ required by the Ministry of Defence tional sums required are given in the to pay for additional aircraft required Treasury memoranda on the two sets for the expansion of the Air Force and of Estimates which have been tabled, also to complete the payment for a it is not necessary for me to elaborate Twin Pioneer aircraft to replace the on the other items. The Ministers con­ one which crashed in 1962. cerned will, in any case, explain items Honourable Members will recall that pertaining to their own portfolios in at the last meeting of Parliament a Trust greater detail during the Committee Fund entitled "The Royal Loans Trust stage. Fund" was set up to enable the Govern­ Sir, I beg to move. ment to give loans to Their Highnesses the Rulers for appropriate projects. It The Deputy Prime Minister (Ton is now necessary to provide a sum of Haji Abdul Razak): Sir. I beg to second $2! million to enable the Trust Fund the motion. to operate, and this is included under Question put, and agreed to. Head S. 21-Contributions to Statutory Funds. Also under this Head is a Bill accordingly read a second time. further appropriation of $10 million to House immediately resolved itself the Contingencies Fund, which at pre- into Committee of Supply. 769 13 AUGUST 1963 770 (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Government for Singapore is clearly an earnest of the Government's intention FIRST AND SECOND SCHEDULES­ in that area. We are not asked to H ead S. 40- provide funds for the welfare of the Tbe Minister of Internal Security people there, for their well being, for (Dato' Dr Ismail): Mr Chairman, Sir, their enjoyment, for this joy of Malay­ I beg your leave to take both items of sia, and things like that. We are asked expenditure, under Head S. 40, in the to provide money for the operation First and Second Schedules, at the. same of the Internal Security Act upon the time. people of Singapore. It is very clear from this, that the Government has Mr Chainnan: Do you want to take already planned repression upon the both items together? people of Singapore, and it_ is today Dato' Dr Ismail: Yes, Sir, if I may. asking this House for money to enable it to commit acts of savagery upon the Mr Chainnan: Permission granted. rights of the people of Singapore. Sir, Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I beg to move I think I am being very mild because that an expenditure of $181,500 under when the fundamental rights of the the Fifth Supplementary Estimates of people are denied, when the acknow­ Expenditure for 1962 and an expendi­ ledged leaders of the people, like Lim ture of $490,430 under the Third Chin Siong and others are arrested Supplementary Estimates of Expen­ and detained without trial, when diture for 1963, totalling $671,930 respected leaders of the people are under Head S. 40 be approved. denied their freedom by this Malayan Alliance Government, it is very mild A total expenditure of $2,170,225 to call this rape of the rights of the was incurred on Police Votes in 1962 people of Singapore savagery. It is to in connection with the setting up of the put it at its mildest. five Federal Reserve Units established in Singapore under the Police plans Mr Chairman, Sir, this Alliance for internal security in Malaysia. When Government and our so-called benign the expenditure was incurred, it was Prime Minister is preparing for a thought that the full amount could be brutal onslaught upon the people of met from economies exercised in the Singapore. There may be people who normal expenditure, but when the 1962 laugh, but the denial of the rights will accounts were finalised, it was found be answered appropriately by the people that provisions under Head S. 40, of the region. Already, you have a Royal Federation of Malaya Police, revolt in the unitary State of North had been exceeded by $181,500. Kalimantan and you are already sowing Of the $490,430 in the Third Supple­ the seeds of strife and war among the mentary Estimates, the sum of $423,886 people of Singapore. Let it be noted is required to meet the cost of clothing that we are warning this House and the and personal equipment, arms and light-hearted and light-minded members ammunition, motor vehicles, radio and of the Alliance Party that when they associated equipment as a result of the laugh they may, in fact, be pushing five Federal Reserve Units required for this country in a light-hearted manner Malaysia. The remaining amount of upon a course of fratricidal war with $66,544 was expended to cover the the people of Singapore. You cannot increased contribution to the Inter­ expect a people forever to carry on national Police Organisation, or Inter­ tolerating repression at the hands of pol, the purchase of office machine the Government of Malaya. Even a and equipment for the office of the dog, if you keep on twisting its tail Director of Police Affairs and the long enough, will bite you. I call upon purchase of tape recorders. this Alliance Government to stop twist­ ing and teasing and suppressing the Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair­ people of Singapore, because in the man, Sir, the additional provision for long run this accumulated repression, internal security asked for by the this denial of rights, this jailing and 771 13 AUGUST 1963 772 detention of the beloved leaders of that country can be assured of peace and region must and will result in a pro­ happiness, so that they will not be vocation to the people of that region. disturbed in their bed, nor threatened The Alliance Government may feel with harm for what they stand for. happy that it has British troops at its These are the people whom it is our command, but that will be no conso­ duty to protect, and in order to protect lation when the Government of this these people we have got to be in a country has to fight a war with the position to control the elements who people of Singapore. want to destroy the happiness and the Mr Chairman, Sir, I call upon the way of life to which they are used to, Prime Minister of Malaya, who so and to charge the Alliance Government assiduously and industriously promotes with having a motive for this I think an impression of benevolence through is unfair. The Honourable Member the Stralts Times, to reconsider the knows it himself that nobody is arrested brutal effects of the request for money or taken to account for something to operate the Internal Security Act which he has done without a fair trial. upon the people of Singapore, to re­ There is justice for all in this country. consider it before there is blood upon If the other people were to respect the hands of the Government of this democracy and the maintenance of country, and to reconsider it before this law and order in the way the system House is made a party to the rape of in this country is applied, then there the people of Singapore. would have been no need for this security control. The whole idea of The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman, spending this money is to maintain Sir, I think the Honourable Member peace and order in this country, so referred to me in a way which suggests that people in this country can live that I am not as benign as people make in peace of mind and go to work me out to be. I think I have a right happily in the knowledge that they are to stand up in my own defence. I safe from danger. have never indulged in any blood I am still benign and I can assure thirsty measures, nor have I put any­ the Honourable Member from across body under detention for just an the floor that if he doubts it, he can expression of his opinion whether it come and put questions to me in my be against the Alliance Government or little room next door. against me. In the past we have seen in this House that we do not take Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair­ action against anybody unless the man, Sir, two points emerged from the person is guilty in our own minds and speech of the Prime Minister. The in the minds of others who are civic Prime Minister was trying to imply that minded. But the so-called people whom I know, but I must tell him that I do the Honourable Member defend are not know what he was trying to imply enemies of the Government to the by saying that I know (Laughter}-and extent that they want to overthrow the this debate must be kept by the Prime Government by force of arms. Other­ Minister upon public issues. Firstly, he wise, I have always considered myself says that he or his Government does to be quite benign, and not what he not arrest people until they are guilty. referred to me just now as "so-called Now, that statement would be most benign". I am benign in fact. Of course, understandable, if it comes from the the Honourable Member had occasion lips of a judge after a full and to have discussion with me over many complete trial. But, unfortunately, the things and many times I think he found Prime Minister is not a judge, and this to his satisfaction that I have proved is not a court, and there are no pro­ to be helpful to him. But the idea cesses of law involved in this. The behind the expenditure is to provide opinion of the Alliance Government of safeguard and not to persecute those its political opponents does not consti­ people who are law-abiding citizens of tute guilt-that is only the frame of this country. The idea is to help build mind of the Alliance Government and up security by which the people of this the Cabinet; and I will say in this

------773 13 AUGUST 1963 774 House that that is not guilt, and I Philippines. The fact that Maphilindo would challenge the Prime Minister to was considered without Singapore refute me whether that constitutes would give a very clear illustration of guilt in a court of law. The second the racial fears of the people living in point is that the Prime Minister has this area. said that action is only taken against people who disturb others. Now, the Mr Chairman, Sir, the Cobbold Com­ question is this : who actually disturbs mission Report states quite clearly that whom and who is the disturber? For a large majority of the people in all we know, in Singapore there were Sarawak, especially the Chinese, were 107 people sleeping very peacefully in afraid to express their views and that their houses at 2 a.m., and the agents in many instances they came before the of the Alliance Government went and Commission and brought with them trespassed upon their houses and upon native leaders to express their views for their persons and physically seized them. them. It was not those people who With regard to this additional expen· disturbed the Alliance Cabinet, but it diture, it deals with field forces for the was this Cabinet which trespassed future Royal Federation of Malaysia upon Singapore-upon the houses and Police now stationed in Singapore. Sir, persons of 107 leaders of that Island, whilst we may admit that our Honour­ and conveyed them to prison; and up able Prime Minister is benign, one to date they have not been released. cannot confuse his personal benignity So, I would ask the Prime Minister not with abuse that can be created by an to confuse as to who is the disturber. organisation, or a structure, that is set I will tell the Prime Minister and the up by the governments concerned. Now, Cabinet that, in the opinion of the every police force-nay, indeed, every people of this country and of Singapore government department-has to carry and of Borneo and of a large part of out its policies and its day-to-day · the population of the world, they are administration through the individuals the disturbers of the peace of Singa­ and officers concerned. We certainly pore. cannot guarantee that each and every Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato Kra­ officer will not be corrupt, or that he mat): Mr Chairman, Sir, I think we will not abuse the powers and position must not confuse between words and given to him. Our argument is not the intent. And although I might not whether or not there should be internal speak in the same words as my security but rather whether or not Honourable friend for Damansara, I internal security should be maintained feel that his warning is to an extent in this way, where an official act appropriate. This warning has not only cannot be challenged democratically come from this side of the House in and judicially in the courts. Mr this instance-I think my Honourable Bottomley and Mr Fenner Brockway friend for lpoh has had occasion to themselves, after their visit to the warn this House before that our Malaysian territories and Singapore, Honourable Prime Minister would lead were so moved as to express the state­ Malaysia to the brink of war; and there ment that the situation-the political is no doubt that we had been led to the imprisonment and detention of political brink of war, and it was at Manila opponents of the Singapore Govern­ where we posed at the brink of war ment-left much to be desired; and I but withdrew. think Mr Fenner Brockway even went on to say that the detention of the Mr Chairman, Sir, there is no doubt people in Singapore in a certain police that the security of this country, and of station left very much to be desired. Malaysia, is being threatened today; Now the question is, are we going to and, if what the Honourable Prime connect or associate ourselves with the Minister said is correct, it is being Singapore Government in its acts for threatened internally and externally­ internal security? The Honourable the externally by forces to some extent Prime Minister of Singapore once went symbolized by Indonesia and by the back to Singapore and said, practically, 775 13 AUGUST 1963 776 that he had nothing to do with the Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I did not Singapore arrests at all and that it was say anything. (Laughter). the Malayan Government and the British Government. So, benign or not Mr Chairman: It was the Minister benign, the Prime Minister of Singapore of the Interior, not the Deputy Prime has laid his finger on the Malayan Minister. Government for measures taken against Dato' Dr Ismail: I beg your pardon­ the opponents of the Singapore Govern­ Internal Security. (Laughter). ment. Mr Chairman: Internal Security. Mr Chairman, Sir, it is not my inten­ (Laughter). tion to judge, or to acquit, any person in Singapore; and certainly, I hope, it Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, should not be the intention of the Sir, they are sitting so close together; Government to accuse any person in but I must apologise for this confusion. Singapore upon whom the Singapore Government has pointed its finger. We Mr Chairman: Please proceed! can build up security in many ways. Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Well, if we One path, through the free will of men, proceed as the Singapore Government can lead to perdition; the other path, is doing, we cannot but proceed towards through the free morality of men, can what I would call perdition of the lead to what our religious books call democratic process. There is no doubt "paradise"-be it on earth or here­ that the first way is the more difficult after. If we wish to maintain the way, because morality very often principle of democracy, we must set up depends on a person's character and a structure that will guarantee the personality, whereas a process which maintenance of this democratic process. can be worked logically without If we, however, wish to bring about morality can lead towards a complete peace through free will which will lead dictatorship; and perhaps, that is why to perdition . . . . the Honourable Member for Daman­ Mr Chairman: I would like you to sara has thought fit to warn the confine yourself to the policy of the Government, because we have seen it service for which this additional sum is taking place elsewhere in this world. A required. You have been rambling too new Government gets into power; and much. Will you please confine yourself it talks of democracy; then, finding the to the policy of the service for which Opposition intolerable, it decides that the additional amount is required to be it is bad for the Government; when the passed by this House? Government thinks that it is bad for the Government, it assumes that the Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Which part Opposition is bad for the country; their of it-personal emoluments, vehicles, error being the belief that what is bad rations, uniforms, stores and furniture, for the party in power is ipso facto bad or under incidental expenses? for the country. Arrests of the members Mr Chairman: Well, they all come of the Opposition is usually the result. under Royal Federation of Malaysia This has happened in the Middle-East Police. countries; it has happened in Vietnam; Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Yes, Sir. But and no doubt it is beginning to happen unfortunately the first part of the in Singapore. Explanatory Note states "In early 1962 Mr Chairman, Sir, the Honourable Government decided that 5 Federal the Prime Minister has said that those Reserve Units be established for Singa­ people detained in Singapore are a pore under Police plans for internal threat to the security of this country. security in Malaysia." Therefore, I am But who said so? The Prime Minister dealing with the Singapore situation. If, of Singapore; a person whom two of course, the Honourable the Deputy Ministers here-one is the Minister Prime Minister had not referred to this without Portfolio, and the other is the portion, I would not have dealt with the Minister of Finance-had on several . Singapore situation. occasions been so angered with as to 777 13 AUGUST 1963 778 have called him names, names which I Honourable Member had warned the cannot even repeat in this House-not Government: now, I would like to warn because they are slanderous, but because the Honourable Member (Laughter) they have been so undignified and that in a democracy you can ape the abusive. If that is so, if the assessment communist in speech and logic, but so by the two Ministers of the character of long as the Internal Security Act applies the Singapore Prime Minister is correct, to this country, if you try to imitate the then surely our Honourable Prime acts of the communists to subvert this Minister cannot say that the reasons country, I can warn the Honourable given for the detentions in Singapore Member that he will suffer the same are correct, or that the powers have not fate as Lim Chin Siong and company. been abused since the reasons given for (Laughter). their detention are reasons given by the Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair­ Prime Minister of Singapore whose man, Sir, .... veracity our two Ministers have thought fit to challenge. Mr Chairman: Is it a point of clari­ fication, or point of order? Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Chairman, Sir, I r~se on a point of order-Standing Enche' K. Karam Singh: If he is Order 67, paragraph 5, which reads as prepared to give way, I will answer him follows: on that. "The debate on a supplementary Supply Dato' Dr Ismail: I am not giving Bill in Committee of Supply shall be limited way. to the particulars contained in the estimates on which the supplementary appropriations Enche' K. Karam Singh: If he is are sought; such debate may not touch the prepared to give way, I am prepared policy or the expenditure sanctioned by the to take up his challenge. estimates in which the original appropria­ tion was obtained, except in so far as such Mr Chairman: Order! Order! policy or expenditure is brought before the Committee by the particulars contained in Enche' K. Karam Singh: Is he the supplementary estimates." prepared to accept my challenge to I submit, Sir, that the Honourable reply to him? Nobody can stop me Member has not only touched on policy, from speaking. he has gone much further in trying to Mr Chairman: (To Dato' Dr Ismail) give us a lecture on political philosophy. Are you prepared to give way on the Mr Chairman: (To Enche' Lim Kean point of clarification? Siew): I have pointed that out to you Dato' Dr Ismail: No, Sir! just now. Mr Speaker: Please proceed. Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair­ man, Sir, I bow to the wiser words of Dato' Dr Ismail: I did not say that the Minister of Finance, and if may I he could not speak; I even said he stop, I will now sit down. (Laughter). could speak and even ape the commu­ nist in speech and logic in this country. Dato' Dr Ismail: Mr Chairman, Sir, But I warn him that if he tries to as the Minister of Internal Security. I imitate the communists in trying to cannot let the communist-like speech subvert this country, he will suffer the and logic of the Honourable Member same fate as the communists, the likes from Damansara pass without comment. of Lim Chin Siong and company. Sir, the Royal Federation of Malaya Police, and the future Royal Malaysia Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair­ Police. will do its work to preserve law man, Sir, I say to the Minister of and order in this country; and I, as the Internal Security that I will carry on Minister of Internal Security, so long as speaking the truth, and he can do I have the Internal Security Act, will whatever he likes with me-and he can not apologise to this House for even arrest me now in this House. arresting the likes of Lim Chin Siong (Laughter). and other communists and pro­ Mr Chairman: That he cannot do! communists in this country. The (Laughter). 779 13 AUGUST 1963 780 Enche' K. Karam Singh: He can connected with the administration of arrest me outside this House now. I the Division : it includes printing and "·· am willing to oblige him. (Laughter). stationery, transport and travelling and entertainments. Of the total sum a sum The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman, of $35,000 is for transport and travelling Sir, I once said the same thing to Sir which is for those people travelling to General Templer, and his reply was, and from Borneo; a sum of $2,000 is "Why should I make a martyr of you?" for entertainment, and it is obvious that (Laughter). Therefore, I reply to the the officials had to do entertaining and • Honourable Member, "Why should we to return the hospitality which they make a martyr of you?" There is received from our hosts in Singapore nothing wrong with a person expressing and the Borneo territories; then there his opinion. What my colleague said is yet another sum of $800 under was that if he aped the communists to O.C.S.E. which is for the purpose of the same extent as to become commu­ purchasing a copying machine-that I nists, and the sole aim is of overthrow­ do not think needs explanation. I think ing the lawful Government of this that is all under this Head. country, then he will suffer the same fate. But we will not make a martyr Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda of him. (Laughter). At least not yet. (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Pengerusi, saya tidak hendak berchakap panjang dalam Endle' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair­ perkara ini, chuma saya hendak bangkit­ man, Sir, my sole aim is to overthrow kan perkara tambahan wang yang di­ the Alliance Government. (An. Honour­ minta bagi Peraduan Kur'an Tahunan. able Member: Constitutionally). That Dalam .... is all, Sir. The Prime Minister: I am sorry, Sir. Question put, and agreed to. I should have dealt with all the sub­ The sum of $181.500 for Head S. 40 heads just now. The Quran Reading ordered to stand part of the First Competition this year had exceeded the Schedule; and the sum of $490,430 for normal estimates, but it has been Head S. 40 ordered to stand part of the possible to quote savings from within Second Schedule. the amount already appropriated under Head 7 of the 1963 Estimates and so · SECOND SCHEDULE- this House is asked to approve only a H ead S. 7- token sum of $10. With your permission, The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to go on to Head 9, Sir, I beg to move that a sum of the Keeper of Public Records, or $125,852 under Head S. 7 be approved. should I wait? Perhaps, this requires a little explana­ Mr Chairman: I think you can take tion. This House in October, 1962, that later. approved a supplementary provision of Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji $82,875 for the establishment of a new Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, berchakap Malaysia Affairs Division in the Prime dalam perkara Head 7-Jabatan Minister's Department, the purpose of Perdana Menteri ini yang saya hendak which, as had already been explained bangkitkan ia-lah perkara yang saya to this House, is to carry out adminis­ sebutkan tadi ia-itu Peraduan Kur'an trative arrangements in connection with the Inter-Governmental Committee Tahunan yang di-minta wang tambahan dealing with the formation of Malaysia. dalam Bill ini. Apa yang saya hendak As it was too late to include the 1963 sebutkan ia-lah kenapa tambahan wang ini di-kehendaki? Mengikut kenyataan provision for this Division in the di-sini kerana pemenang2 dalam Estimates, the House is now asked to Peraduan Kur'an, 1963 ini di-beri satu approve this supplementary provision hadiah tambang perchuma pergi balek for the purpose of meeting the expendi­ ka-Makah dengan kapal. Ini memang ture of the Division in 1963. satu langkah yang baik. Akan tetapi, The sum of $125,852 is required to apa yang saya hendak bangkitkan meet the salaries of officers and staff of bahawa dalam Meshuarat Jawatan­ the Division and for other expenditure KuasaPusat Peraduan Kur'an ini pernah 781 13 AUGUST 1963 782 di-bangkitkan perkara ini supaya di­ Perdana Menteri beruchap di-hadapan adakan hadiah tambang pergi balek ra'ayat. Ini tidak-Jawatan-Kuasa Pusat _:; ka-Makah itu, tetapi di-tolak di-dalam tolak, tetapi Yang Berhormat Perdana Meshuarat Jawatan-Kuasa Pusat oleh Menteri sendiri beruchap. Itu sahaja Pengerusi-nya sendiri dengan alasan yang saya merasa kurang puas hati, bahawa pehak Yang Berhormat Perdana tetapi walau bagaimana pun tentang Menteri sendiri tidak berchadang hadiah ini bagus. (Ketawa). hendak mengeluarkan hadiah yang sa­ The Prime Minister: Tuan Pengerusi, umpama itu, dan konon-nya hadiah saya suka memberi keterangan ia-itu yang sa-umpama itu boleh menyama­ saya tidak masok dalam Jawatan-Kuasa kan Peraduan Kur'an ini saperti Pusat itu, hanya pegawai2 yang me­ peraduan chantek dan sa-bagai-nya. wakili saya. Tentu tidak menasabah Perkara ini saya sendiri telah bangkit­ kalau saya bangkang dalam perbincha­ kan dalam meshuarat itu yang mana ngan Jawatan-Kuasa Pusat, tetapi di­ saya salah sa-orang daripada ahli luar saya sebut bersetuju. Yang sa­ Jawatan-Kuasa itu dan pernah juga di­ benar-nya, saya tidak ada bangkang bangkitkan oleh wakil dari Melaka langsong. Ada pun chadangan hendak sendiri, tetapi kemudian daripada-nya beri hadiah pergi ka-Makah itu pada apakala peraduan itu di-jalankan di­ 2 mula-nya di-chadangkan keluarkan per­ Stadium Merdeka, maka rupa. -nya belanjaan-nya daripada Study Tours, Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri tetapi oleh kerana ada savings atau telah beruchap dalam satu uchapan wang untok-nya di-sini, jadi dengan pembukaan itu dengan menyatakan kerana itu di-hantar dengan perbelanja­ maksud-nya hendak memberi hadiah an ini. Saya suka katakan di-sini ia-itu tambang kapal pergi balek pergi ka­ saya tidak pada bila2 masa pun mem­ Makah bagi pemenang Peraduan Kur'an bangkang permintaan hendak memberi ini. J adi saya tidak tahu dari mana hadiah supaya di-hantar pehak yang datang puncha-nya, sebab bila di­ menang ka-Makah. Saya tidak ada di­ kemukakan chadangan yang saperti ini situ. Jadi Yang Berhormat itu barang­ dalam meshuarat Jawatan-Kuasa Pusat kali sedar yang saya tidak ada di-situ. telah di-tolak dengan alasan Yang Saya tidak membangkang. Yang sa­ Berhormat Perdana Menteri sendiri benar-nya, saya berchakap di-hadapan tidak bersetuju dan tidak ada estimate, 2 public maka itu-Iah fikiran dan cha­ tiba Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri kapan saya berkenaan dengan hal ini. sendiri boleh berchakap dalam majlis ra'ayat yang bagitu ramai menyatakan Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji hendak memberi hadiah. Dan ini-lah Muda: Tuan Pengerusi, saya pun tidak perkara uchapan yang melibatkan ter­ mengatakan bahawa Yang Berhormat paksa pehak Kerajaan ini mengeluarkan Perdana Menteri membangkang di­ wang bagi memberi tambang kapada dalam Jawatan-Kuasa Pusat itu. Tetapi pemenang2 pergi ka-Makah. Saya Pengerusi Jawatan-Kuasa itu ia-itu bimbang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Yang Berhormat dari Johor Tenggara perkara yang lain pun Yang Berhormat yang hari ini beliau tiada hadhir, beliau Perdana Menteri kita terlalu murah sendiri mengatakan Kerajaan tidak ada mulut-nya berchakap itu menyebabkan estimate, dan Yang Berhormat Perdana semua melibatkan soal kedudokan Menteri pun tidak bersetuiu, sebab itu kewangan dalam negeri ini. di-tolak sahaja chadangan itu. Dan saya terima kaseh di-atas uchapan Yang Soal menghantar dengan belanja Berhormat Perdana Menteri itu. Kerajaan ka-Makah itu bagus, tetapi Question put, and agreed to. hendak-nya pada masa yang akan The sum of $125,852 for Head S. 7 datang jangan jadi macham ini. Kalau ordered to stand part of the Second sudah di-bawa dalam Jawatan-Kuasa Schedule. Pusat dan kalau memang ada niat pehak Kerajaan hendak memberi hadiah per­ Head S. 9- chuma pergi balek ka-Makah setuju The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman, sahaja pada peringkat Jawatan-Kuasa Sir, I beg to move that a token sum Pusat, dan boleh-lah Yang Berhormat of $10 under Head S. 9 be approved. 783 13 AUGUST 1963 784 The explanation in connection with this apa2 yang hendak di-tambahkan ka­ is that there is a binder now who pada kenyataan saperti yang terkan­ has to repair and to look after the dong dalam Command Paper No. 23 archives and to inspect the books. It tahun 1963 ini. has been possible to quote savings Question put, and agreed to. from within the amount already The sum of $10 for Head S. 13 appropriated under Head 9 of the 1963 ordered to stand part of the Second Estimates, and only a token sum of Schedule. $10 is therefore required. Question put, and agreed to. Head S. 14- The sum of $10 for Head S. 9 Tbe Minister of Commerce and ordered to stand part of the Second Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr Schedule. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that a sum of $95,000 under Head S. 14 be Head S. JJ- approved. The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that a sum of The Government's decision to take $9,410 be approved. The additional part in the New York World's Fair, sum is required to meet the emoluments 1964-1965, was approved by this House of additional staff which is required to when we debated the 1963 Estimates. cope with the survey of employment Although the estimated total cost of and unemployment for the period this participation will be approximately January to April, 1963, for the following $2 million, at that time we only asked reasons : the analysis involves the for a token vote of $10 as we did not construction of some 300 tables and know when we would require the funds. each table has to be raised from the Now, I come back to this House to simple to a universal figure. The addi­ ask for the approval of a sum of tion of figures from the various towns $95,000 which is required to meet the and areas and the calculation of aver­ first year's rent of the site. ages and percentages are also necessary. Question put, and agreed to. Originally it was estimated that seven The sum of $95,000 for Head S. 14 clerks would be sufficient to undertake ordered to stand part of the Second this task over a period of six months. Schedule. In the light of present indication, it would appear that the job would not Head S. 15- be completed in time with the existing The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun number of clerks provided. Therefore, Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Chairman, Sir, quite apart from the various calcula­ I beg to move that a supplementary tions mentioned above, it is found that provision of $6,490,855 under Head variances need to be calculated and S. 15 be approved. all tables need to be checked and, hence additional clerical staff is essential. It Sir, as stated in the Treasury Memo­ is estimated that 14 girls for five randum, this sum is required to provide months will be required to complete one-third down payment for four the necessary figures for the report. The Alouette Helicopters and four Dart additional sum of $9,410 is required Herald medium range transport aircraft to meet the emoluments of the 14 and also to complete the payment of additional clerks for the period January one twin engined pioneer aircraft to to April, 1963. replace an aircraft which crashed in the middle of 1962. Question put, and agreed to. The sum of $9,410 for Head S. 11 I would also like to explain to this ordered to stand part of the Second House, Sir, that these aircrafts are in Schedule. addition to those for which I sought funds when presenting the requirements Head S. JJ- of my Ministry in the Supplementary The Minister of Agriculture and Co­ Supply (1962) Bill, i.e. four Dart operatives (Enche' Mohamed Khir Herald medium transport aircraft, four Johari): Tuan Pengerusi, saya tidak ada Alouette Helicopters, two De Havilland 785 13 AUGUST 1963 786 Heron medium range aircraft and six craft could not be repaired. As the size Hunting Provost training aircraft. of the fleet required to carry out the It has also been decided by Govern­ task is at present at a minimum, it is ment that in order to undertake full necessary to replace the one aircraft responsibility throughout Malaysia for which has been damaged and which movement of troops, police and supplies cannot be repaired. Therefore, these for the evacuation of the sick and funds are now required to meet the wounded from and to places which are balance of the cost of these twin­ inaccessible to fixed wing aircraft, and engined Pioneer aircrafts. for rescue work, it is necessary to Sir, I beg to move. provide the Royal Malayan Air Force with a helicopter force. The size of Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad the force eventually envisaged will be (Bacbok): Tuan Pengerusi, nampak in the region of sixteen helicopters, of saya usaha membesarkan Angkatan which four are due to arrive in Malaya Bersenjata bagi maksud2 yang di-sebut­ in August and October, 1963. The kan oleh Yang Berhormat Timbalan funds I am now asking the House to Perdana Menteri baharu sa-bentar tadi approve are for the part-payment, in biar-lah berjalan dengan baik-nya, ini advance of the second batch of four saya hormati. Saya suka mendapat tahu helicopters which are expected to ia-itu oleh kerana perbelanjaan ini arrive in this country in October this satu perbelanjaan yang besar maka year and in January, 1964. dapat kira-nya Yang Berhormat Tim­ As regards the transport aircraft, balan Perdana Menteri merangkap as Honourable Members will no doubt Menteri Pertahanan menerangkan sama appreciate, we must have a highly ada beliau ada memikirkan tentang soal menchari kapal2 terbang daripada mobile force if we wish to keep the 2 size of our armed forces to the mini­ negeri lain supaya mendapat harga yang lebeh murah dengan tidak mero­ mum. Such mobility does not exist at 2 the present moment but we shall make sakkan kesan kapal terbang yang ada a start in this direction later this year sekarang ini, sebab kalau kita bataskan with the arrival of the first four Dart pembelian di-atas sa-sabuah kapal Herald aircraft. A force of eight such terbang itu, boleh jadi kita terpaksa aircraft is the minimum required to membayar dengan harga yang lebeh meet the requirements of the Army and mahal. Oleh itu. saya ingin mendapat the Police. Four are now under penjelasan, dari Yang Berhormat Men­ construction which will be ready for teri Pertahanan. delivery later this year, and the funds Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Penge­ now requested are for the part-payment rusi, sa-belum menentukan tentang for the next four to be delivered in mana2 kapal terbang yang hendak di­ 1964. order itu, maka kena-lah di-siasat As regards the Twin Pioneers, terlebeh dahulu oleh semua negeri2 dan Honourable Members are fully aware kemudian di-chari mana jenis kapal2 that the twin-engined Pioneers have terbang yang di-fikirkan baik sa-kali, been carrying the major portion of the itu-lah yang di-beli-nya, umpama-nya task of conveying troops and Police Alouette Helicopters ia-itu jenis kapal and of supplying them in the Thai terbang Franchis yang baik sa-kali. border area. These aircrafts have been Bagitu juga tentang kapal terbang stretched to the limit in carrying out Herald, sunggoh pun kapal terbang ini extremely hazardous operational tasks, di-fikirkan tidak berapa berguna di­ an inevitable concommitant of which is Franchis, tetapi bagi pehak kita di­ a high degree of risk. Several twin­ sini, kapal terbang ini menesabah engined Pioneer aircrafts have been di-negeri ini dan juga harga-nya pun damaged in the past year carrying out ada-lah berpatutan. Maka dengan sebab these tasks; fortunately, in all cases itu, pehak Kerajaan telah menentukan except one, the damage has been yang kapal terbang ini berguna untok repairable. In one case, however, the di-beli. Dan tentang jenis kapal terbang damage was so extensive that the air- Provost, kapal terbang ini di-gunakan 787 13 AUGUST 1963 788 sa-bagai latehan dan juga di-fikirkan Affairs, totalling $160,572 as set out in kapal terbang ini mustahak bagi kegu­ Command Paper No. 22 of 1963 stand naan kita di-sini untok melateh bagi part of the Second Schedule. As set pemandu2 kapal terbang kita. out in the Treasury Memorandum on Question put, and agreed to. the Third Supplementary Estimates of Expenditure for 1963-Command Paper The sum of $6,490,855 for Head No. 23 of 1963-explanation is given S. 15 ordered to stand part of the in respect of a group of expenditure. Second Schedule. It may, perhaps. be appropriate for • Head S. 16- me to explain from the very beginning , The Minister of Education (Tuan the need for this supplementary pro­ Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr Chair­ visions for the following purposes: man, Sir, I beg to move that a token (a) Guest House, London. In view of additional sum of $10 under Head the frequent official visits S. 16 be approved. Sir, as members of and conferences-Ministers and the House will be aware, this Govern­ V.I.Ps have to go to London on ment has set up a Committee to make official business-it is more eco­ a study of the needs for higher educa­ nomical that a Guest House in tion in this country. The Higher London be maintained. Provision Education Planning Committee, among is, therefore, required to meet other things, is conducting a survey to expenditure like rental, main­ ascertain the shortage of highly trained tenance, as well as furniture and professional and technical personnel in household requisites ; every field. The money now asked for (b) New Residence for High Com­ is for conducting this survey and, as missioner and Chancery, New stated in the Treasury Memorandum, Delhi. Until recently the High it has been possible to quote savings Commissioner's residence and from within the amount already appro­ office are _located in one building, priated under Head S. 16 of the 1963 an9 this has been found inade­ Estimates, and only a token additional quate. Separate premises have vote of $10 is therefore required. now been rented for the residence Sir. I beg to niove. of the High Commissioner and Question put, and agreed to. another for the Chancery. The sum of $10 for Head S. 16 (c) New office-cum-residence for the ordered to stand part of the Second Assistant Passport Officer of the Schedule. Assistant High Commission in Madras is leased as the old Mr Chairman: The sitting is sus­ premises are too far out of town pended for 20 minutes. and not suitable for the purpose. Sitting suspended at 11.25 a.m. Sir, I beg to move. Sitting resumed at 11.50 a.m. Question put, and agreed to. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) The sum of $160,572 for Head S. 17 ordered to stand part of the Second House immediately resolved itself Schedule. into Committee of Supply. Heads S. 21 and S. 24- (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Chairman, SECOND ScHEDULE Sir, with your permission, I would like to take Heads S. 21 and S. 24 together Head S. 17- and I beg to move, therefore, that the The Assistant Minister of lnfonna­ expenditures shown under Head S. 21, tion and Broadcasting (Enche' Moha­ Contributions to Statutory Funds, med Ismail bin Mohamed YUllOf): Mr amounting to $12.5 million, and Head Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that S. 24, Inland Revenue, amounting to Head S. 17, Ministry of External $22,661, be approved. 789 13 AUGUST 1963 790 Of the $12.5 million required for nyatakan ia-itu jumlah wang yang di­ Head S. 21. Contr~butions to Statutory kehendaki untok mengawal dan meng­ Funds, $10 million are required ~ hapuskan penyakit ini harus berjurnlah increase the Contingencies Fund from lebeh daripada $400,000. Wang tam­ its present appropriation of $15 million bahan yang di-kehendaki lagi itu akan to $25 million. I gave the reasons for di-minta kemudian kelak. Oleh yang this move in my speech on the second demikian, Dewan ini ada-lah di-minta reading of the Bill and so I will not mempersetujukan Token Vote sa­ repeat myself. The balance, amounting banyak $10 bagi kegunaan ini. to $2.5 million. is required to enable Sub-head 66-Perbelanjaan Khas the Royal Loans Trust Fund to go berkenaan dengan melateh jururawat2 into operation, and I also elaborated di-United Kingdom dan Australia. on this previously. Dalam tahun 1962 Kerajaan United The additional amount sought for Kingdom telah membuat tawaran bagi Head S. 24, Inland Revenue, amounting melateh sa-ramai 200 orang jururawat to $22,661, is to provide funds for the pelateh2 daripada Persekutuan di­ purchase of one accounting machine Britain, oleh sebab kekurangan kemu­ required by the Department of Inland dahan2 untok melateh jururawat2 Revenue to initiate a new system to di-negeri ini dan juga oleb sebab lebeh operate the P.A.Y.E. Scheme. ramai jururawat2 ada-lah di-kehendaki, Question put, and agreed to. memandang kapada perkembangan perkhidmatan rumah sakit dan kesi­ The sum of $12,500,000 for Head hatan 'am-nya, di-bawah Ranchangan S. 2i and the sum of $22,661 for Head Pembangunan Lima Tahun Yang S. 24 ordered to stand part of the Kedua, maka Persekutuan Tanah Second Schedule. Melayu telah menerima tawaran itu. Head S. 25- Sa-kali pun bagitu oleh kerana Tbe Minister of H~ltb (Encbe' kesuntokan masa dan kekurangan Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan pe!ateh2 yang berkelayakan maka hanya Pengerusi, saya menchadangkan Token sa-ramai 152 orang pelateh sahaja Vote sa-banyak $20 bagi Head S. 25- telah di-hantar ka-United Kingdom Kementerian Kesihatan di-luluskan. sa-hingga akhir tahun yang lalu ia-itu Peruntokan ini terbahagi kapada dua kurang 48 orang daripada jumlah di­ sub-head. Satu sub-head 24-Per­ tawarkan itu. Semenjak itu Kerajaan khidmatan Kesihatan Awan ia-itu United Kingdom telah pun membuat mengenai kawalan penyakit yang ber­ tawaran kapada pelateh2 sa-ramai 48 jangkit. Anggaran Perbelanjaan bagi orang lagi itu di-hantar bagi berlateh tahun 1963 bagi Kementerlan Kesi­ di-dalam tahun ini. Tawaran latehan hatan ada mengandongi peruntokan saperti itu juga telah di-terima daripada wang sa-banyak $10,000 untok ka­ Kerajaan Australia dan oleh sebab2 walan penyakit2 yang berjangkit. Per­ yang di-nyatakan tadi tawaran ini telah untokan ini ia-lah bagi kegunaan juga di-terima. Ada-lah di-chadangkan mengawal penyakit2 berjangkit yang menghantar 50 orang pelateh2 untok kechil2, tetapi dengan berlaku-nya berlateh di-Australia tahun ini. Jumlah wabak ta'un di-Melaka dan lain2 $253,010 yang di-minta itu ia-lah kawasan di-hujong bulan April 1963 untok perbelanjaan yang di-anggarkan perbelanjaan ada-lah jauh lebeh besar berkenaan dengan menghantar 48 daripada peruntokan tersebut yang orang pelateh2 ka-United Kingdom dan mustahak di-belanjakan bagi mengawal 50 orang ka-Australia. Perbelanjaan ini atau menghapuskan penyakit itu. termasok-lah tambang kapal terbang, Dengan hal yang demikian perlu-lah allowance pakaian, perbelanjaan per­ di-adakan Peruntokan Tambahan sa­ jalanan daripada lapangan terbang ka­ banyak $400,000 untok perbelanjaan London dan sa-terus-nya ka-Rumah2 tersebut. Jumlah ini di-anggarkan boleh Sakit tempat berlateh dan juga sewa di-ambil daripada baki peruntokan2 bilek dan belanja makan tatkala Kementerian ini yang dapat di-selamat­ menunggu penempatan di-Rumah2 kan. Sa-kali pun bagitu, patut saya Sakit Latehan. Perbelanjaan melateh 791 13 AUGUST 1963 792 sa-orang jururawat ia-lah lebeh kurang 'adat resam orang2 kampong baik pun $2,460 di-United Kingdom dan $1,820 orang Melayu atau pun yang bukan di-Australia. Jumlah wang $253,000 Melayu supaya dapat mereka itu tahu boleh di-adakan dengan memindahkan bagaimana hendak berchakap kapada peruntokan bagi gaji2 yang akan dapat orang2 kampong kerana orang2 kam­ di-selamatkan dalam anggaran per­ pong itu tidak tahu berkenaan dengan belanjaan Kementerfan Kesihatan tahun atoran dan peratoran Hospital, itu-lah 1963. Dengan yang demikian Dewan sahaja. ini ada-lah di-minta mempersetujukan Tuan Haji Azabari bin Haji Ibrahim Token Vote sa-banyak $10 bagi ke­ (Kubang Paso Barat): Tuan Yang di­ gunaan ini. Pertua, saya suka menarek perhatian Kementerian ini berkenaan dengan Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman Sub-head 24-Public Health Services (Seberang Tengah): Tuan Pengerusi, ia-itu Kementerian ini berkehendak­ saya menguchapkan terima kaseh kan anggaran perbelanjaan sa-banyak kapada Kerajaan United Kingdom dan $400,000 untok menjaga dan meng­ Kerajaan Australia yang telah mena­ 2 2 hapuskan penyakit ta'un. Di-sini, Tuan warkan latehan kapada jururawat Yang di-Pertua, barangkali Kemente­ Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dan ini rian ini telah pun faham ia-itu penyakit ada-lah sesuai dengan kata pepatah ta'un ada berhampiran dengan negeri orang Melayu, "jauh berjalan, luas Kedah dan Perlis ia-itu bersempadan pandangan". Tetapi apa yang saya di-antara negeri Thailand dengan Per­ dapat tahu berkenaan dengan juru­ sekutuan. Jadi, di-sini sa-kira-nya satu rawat2 yang telah kembali sa-telah langkah yang tegas atau tepat tidak di­ mendapat latehan di-seberang laut, ia­ 2 jalankan olch Kementerian ini, saya itu jururawat yang telah di-hantar chukup bimbang barangkali penyakit ka-seberang laut itu, kebanyakan dari­ wabak ta'un yang berjadi2 di-sempadan pada mereka itu maseh mentah dan itu akan merebak ka-negeri2 yang ber­ hijau lagi kerana mereka baharu sahaja hampiran dengan-nya. Bagi fahaman lepasan sekolah dan terpaksa mereka saya, ada satu pusat kesihatan atau pun berlateh di-seberang laut sa-lama dua 2 pusat latehan di-Jitra yang mana telah atau tiga tahun. Apabila jururawat ini di-tugaskan untok menjalankan kerja2 kembali ka-tanah ayer, mereka itu 2 untok menghapuskan penyakit ini, atau di-tempatkan di-Rumah Sakit Daerah. mengawal penyakit ini daripada mere­ Kita tahu ia-itu Rumah Sakit Daerah bak masok ka-Persekutuan. Jadi, ada ini kebanyakan daripada orang sakit juga sungutan2 daripada pegawai2 yang melawat di-Rumah Sakit itu ada­ 2 di-sana yang mana mengatakan per­ lah terdiri daripada orang kampong belanjaan untok mengawal penyakit ini dari segala bangsa. Dan boleh di­ sangat-lah kurang di-bed oleh Kemen­ katakan mereka itu tidak tahu chara2 atau atoran dan peratoran Rumah terian ini. Saya berharap-lah sa-kira­ 2 nya Kementerian ini sunggoh2 hendak Sakit. Maka kebanyakan jururawat ini menghapuskan atau hendak mengawal yang telah mendapat latehan dua atau penyakit ini maka peruntokan hendak­ tiga tahun di-seberang laut tidak dapat lah di-beri lebeh lagi daripada yang ada latehan berkenaan dengan 'adat isti­ 2 2 sekarang ini supaya Doktor dan Pe­ 'adat dan resam orang Persekutuan gawai2 Kesihatan dapat menjalankan Tanah Melayu. Dari sebab itu blasa­ tugas mereka itu untok tujuan dan nya kita dengar wakil2 ra'ayat telah 2 mendapat rungutan dan sungutan dari­ chita Kementerian ini hendak meng­ pada orang2 sakit mengatakan juru­ hapuskan penyakit itu. rawat2 itu kasar, jururawat itu tidak Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed Sidek tahu mengambil hati orang2 sakit dan (Dungun): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya lain2 lagi. Jadi, saya berharap-lah ka­ beruchap di-dalam Sub-head 66- pada Yang Berhormat Menteri Kesi­ Expenses of Training of Nurses in hatan supaya apabila jururawat2 ini the United Kingdom and Australia kembali daripada latehan-nya di­ $253,000. Sa-bagaimana kita dengar seberang laut patut-lah di-beri suatu tadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, salah sa­ didekan atau latehan berkenaan dengan orang daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat 793 13 AUGUST 1963 794 di-sabelah sana berkata ada sungutan2 kita sendiri, akan tetapi oleh sebab kita dari orang2 kampong kerana Nurses kekurangan pensharah2 ia-itu orang2 yang balek dari England atau Austra­ yang boleh memberi latehan itu maka lia itu banyak yang tidak tahu agak itu-lah sebab-nya bagi sementara ini kasar sadikit terhadap orang2 yang juru2rawat itu di-lateh di-seberang datang ka-Hospital. Ini sa-betul-nya laut. saya merasa complaint atau sungutan2 Perkara yang kedua di-bangkitkan itu datang-nya daripada sa-bahagian oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari besar ada-lah terdiri dari orang2 kam­ Kubang Pasu Barat berkenaan dengan pong yang terdiri daripada bangsa perbelanjaan bagi Pusat Latehan Me­ Melayu. Oleh sebab kita ketahui pada ngawal Penyakit2 Berjangkit berhubong masa yang lalu, Nurse2 yang di-kirim­ dengan wabak ta'un di-Selatan Siam kan ka-luar negeri itu ada-lah sa-banyak itu. Saya suka-lah menjelaskan bahawa 200 orang dan hanya 2 orang sahaja langkah2 yang lengkap telah di-ambil yang terdiri daripada anak2 Melayu. oleh Kementerian Kesihatan bagi men­ Jadi saya minta kapada pehak Kemen­ chegah wabak ta'un itu merebak ka­ terian supaya memikirkan dan men­ Tanah Melayu. Barangkali Yang chari jalan2 atau chara2 bagaimana 2 Berhormat telah membacha dalam supaya membanyakkan lagi anak surat khabar dan tentu tahu akan Melayu di-kirimkan ka-luar negeri dan keadaan yang sa-benar-nya. Kalau mereka ini di-kirimkan ka-kampong2 sa-kira-nya Pusat Latehan itu keku­ yang sa-bahagian besar Hospital2 ini, rangan wang bagaimana yang telah saya ketahui:, ada-lah di-penohi oleh 2 di-katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat orang kampong. Jadi oleh kerana me­ itu saya akan mengambil langkah reka ini sudah tahu 'adat resam atau 2 supaya Pusat Latehan itu mendapat 'adat isti'adat orang kampong itu, peruntokan yang sa-chukup-nya bagi mungkin tidak akan terjadi chara yang 2 2 menjalankan tugas -nya melateh pe­ kasar sa-bagaimana yang di-kemuka­ gawai2 kesihatan di-sana. kan oleh salah sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi. Jadi sa-kali lagi saya Perkara yang ketiga, Ahli Yang minta kapada pehak Kementerian Kesi­ Berhormat dari Dungun ada membuat hatan supaya memikirkan dan serkap jarang mengatakan hanya dua menchari jalan dengan sunggoh2 bagai­ orang sahaja orang Melayu yang telah mana boleh membanyakkan lagi Nurse2 di-hantar berlateh 'ilmu jururawat di­ yang terdiri daripada anak2 Melayu, seberang laut. Kenyataan-nya itu ada­ sekian-lah. lah tidak benar kerana saya tahu ada lebeh daripada itu telah di-hantar ber­ Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji lateh, walau bagaimana pun Kemen­ Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada tiga terian ini ada-lah sentiasa mengambil Ahli2 Yang Berhormat telah menda­ perhatian supaya perkembangan yang tangkan pandangan, pertama Ahli sa-patut-nya akan di-jalankan. Yang Berhormat dari Seberang Tengah Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah telah mengatakan berkenaan dengan (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di­ latehan jururawat di-seberang laut dan Pertua, boleh-kah saya bertanya, kalau meminta Kementerian ini mengatorkan lebeh daripada yang di-sebutkan oleh apabila mereka balek ka-tanah ayer wakil Dungun tadi, berapa-kah orang di-beri latehan atau pun pendidekan Melayu yang sa-benar-nya telah di­ berkenaan dengan 'adat resam. Saya hantar? suka-lah menegaskan bahawa hal2 saperti itu memang-lah di-jalankan oleh Enche' Abdul Rahmaa bia Haji Kementerian Kesihatan ia-itu mana2 Talib: Saya minta tempoh untok me­ jururawat yang berlateh di-luar negeri nyiasat-nya, akan tetapi pada tahun apabila balek ka-tanah ayer akan di­ 1962, 12 orang telah di-hantar, kemu­ beri pendidekan chara2 melawat2 orang2 dian daripada itu saya tidak pesti. kampong atau orang2 di-luar bandar, Question put, and agreed to. tetapi suka-lah saya menegaskan The sum of $20 for Head S. 25 bahawa jalan yang sa-baik2-nya ia-lah ordered to stand part of the Second juru2rawat itu di-beri latehan di-negeri Schedule. 795 13 AUGUST 1963 796 Heads S. 26 and S. 27- gunakan penyepit "chopstick". Jadi, saya kata, orang2 Melayu tidak tahu Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Moha· menggunakan-nya, kemudian kata-nya med Yusof: Mr Chairman, Sir, with "you should know!" (Ketawa). Nam­ your permission, I would like to take pak-nya pada fahaman orang2 di­ Heads S. 26 and S. 27 in respect of the Amerika .itu semua orang2 di· Tanah Ministry and Department of Radio Melayu ini pandai dan chekap meng­ together, and accordingly move that gunakan "chopstick" (Ketawa). Ini-lah Heads S. 26 and S. 27 totalling saya katakan satu daripada sebab2 yang $164,733 stand part of the Schedule. Jabatan Penerangan ini kurang mem­ I do not propose to add to the beri penerangan kapada orang2 di-luar explanation given under each item in negeri. Kita di-Tanah Melayu ini ada the Treasury Memorandum, Command berbagai2 bangsa, Melayu, China dan Paper No. 3 / 63, as it is already quite lain2. Dan lagi satu saya lihat di-Asia clear. I would, however, like to say Foundation dan San Fransisco, saya a few words regarding O.C.S.E. (New) dapati ada bahagian2 khutub-khanah, Sub-head 8-Radio and Television surat-khabar di-seluroh negara dalam Exposition, 1962. This exposition was Asia, tetapi dalam Jabatan Tanah held in conjunction with the Fourth Melayu saya dapati sangat kekurangan Asian Broadcasters' Conference which berkenaan dengan buku2 di-tempat itu. met in Kuala Lumpur then. As tele­ Manakala saya lihat di-negeri Thailand vision would be introduced for the di-dapati satu collection yang sangat first time in Malaya by the end of banyak buku2 dan majallah2 dan lain2 1963, Malayans should be given an lagi berkenaan dengan hal ehwal negeri idea about the possibilities of this new Thailand. Tetapi Tanah Melayu ini form of mass communication, be it sa-tengah2 tempat kita pergi mereka in the field of education, entertainment tidak tahu di-mana ada-nya Tanah or information. Needless to say, the Melayu atau Malaya, yang mereka exposition was an unqualified success tahu ia-lah Singapura. as can be seen from the receipts made. The net profit of $82,616 is now avail­ Oleh sebab yang demikian saya ber­ able for donation to the National harap sangat2-lah kapada Kementerian Monument Fund. Apart from the ini supaya mengambil perhatian di­ financial gain made there is the more dalam perkara ini. important aspect : the exposition brought radio and television organisa­ Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Moha­ tions and manufacturers from all over med Yusof: Tuan Pengerusi, saya the globe to Kuala Lumpur. Lasting menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada friendship and goodwill were made and Yang Berhormat itu; berkenaan dengan this is an invaluable asset, for it makes soal sepit itu harus orang yang di­ our task easier as helping hands are jumpai-nya itu ada-lah orang yang now everywhere. tidak tahu hal keadaan Tanah Melayu Sir, I beg to move. ini. Saya pun biasa juga pergi ka-luar ... negeri dan bukan-lah tiap2 orang di­ Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman luar negeri itu tahukan hal keadaan (Seberang Tengah): Tuan Yang di­ kita di-sini, jadi harus orang yang Pertua, berkenaan dengan sub-head ini di-jumpai itu orang yang tidak tahukan saya berharap sangat sunggoh pun apa berkenaan dengan Tanah Melayu. yang saya hendak chakapkan itu ada Dalam hal information, sunggoh pun bersangkut paut dengan Jabatan Hal tidak ada bersangkut-paut dengan Ehwal Luar Negeri, tetapi Kementerian estimate ini dan apa yang kita bahath­ ini juga ada-lah bertanggong-jawab kan, saya terpaksa menjawab-nya ia­ dan ada laison atau perhubongan itu sa-memang-nya pada hari ini kita dengan jabatan itu, oleh sebab saya kekurangan .kakitangan untok meng­ dapat tahu dan saya sendiri berasa adakan pegawai2 penerangan ka-luar kechiwa sadikit apabila saya pergi ka­ negeri. Waiau pun bagitu satu langkah Amerika, orang2 di-sana bertanya sudah pun di-buat untok melateh kapada saya awak tentu pandai meng· pegawai2 penerangan dalam satu 797 13 AUGUST 1963 798 "crash" programme yang akan di­ machine belonging to the Aborigine jalankan sadikit hari lagi bagi melateh Department and it is used for mass pegawai2 penerangan. X-rays in the campaign to eradicate 2 tuberculosis amongst the aborigines. Berkenaan dengan buku , itu sa­ Sir, on the 21st of March this year, memang ada di-tiap2 Embassy dan Kedutaan kita di-luar negeri, itu-lah the boat in which the machine was sebab-nya saya katakan apa yang tidak loaded capsized in Kuala Rompin, dapat di-jalankan ia-lah di-sebabkan under circumstances beyond the control kekurangan kakitangan pada masa ini. of the party in charge of the machlne, and sea water got into the intricate Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah parts of the machine and caused (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Pengerusi, severe damage. boleh-kah saya bertanya kapada Sir, with regard to Sub-head 18, Menteri Yang Berhormat, ada-kah for which a sum of $11,135 is required, ma'aluman dan pengetahuan orang2 the House will find that the explanation di-Amerika yang berkata bahawa pen­ of this item is set out in the Treasury dudok2 di-Tanah Melayu ini semua-nya Memorandum tabled as Command memakai chopstick di-dalam masa Paper No. 23 of 1963. Sir, I have makan. Ini-kah satu kejayaan yang nothing more to add to this explanation telah di-chapai oleh kerana Perikatan except to say that the Land Rover memerentah Tanah Melayu ini? ambulance was urgently required for Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Moha­ the use of the Aborigine Medical med Yusof: Bagaimana yang saya Centre at Kuala Lipis. katakan tadi ada juga yang mereka itu Question put, and agreed to. tidak tahu yang kita di-sini tidak menggunakan chopstick dan saya biasa The sum of $33,803 for Head S. 30 pergi ka-luar negeri dan manakala ordered to stand part of the Second saya berchakap bahawa saya datang Schedule. dari Tanah Melayu, mereka juga tidak Head S. 43- tahu di-mana letak-nya Tanah Melayu. J adi, itu-lah saya katakan jangan ber­ The Assistant Minister of Commerce jumpa dengan satu orang berdua yang and Industry (Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid tidak tahukan hal itu main pukul rata bin Awang Osman): Tuan Pengerusi, sahaja tidak boleh-lah. Bagitu-lah juga saya menchadangkan supaya wang orang2 yang tldak tahu pemerentahan $50,000 di-bawah Head S. 43 di­ P.M.I.P. di-Kelantan baik atau tidak, luluskan. Oleh sebab keterangan lanjut mana orang tahu (Ketawa). telah pun ada di-dalam Command 2 Question put, and agreed to. Paper 23 dan penjelasan itu memang chukup, saya tidak berchadang hendak The sum of $164,723 for Head S. 26 menambah apa2 lagi. and the sum of $10 for Head S. 27 ordered to stand part of the Second Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji Ibrahim Schedule. (Kubang Paso Barat): Tuan Pengerusi, berkenaan dengan belanja tambahan Head S. 30- bagi Clothing and Personal Equipment bagi Royal Federation of Malaya . . . The Assistant Minister of the Interior (Enche' Cheah Theam Swee): Mr Mr Chairman: Perkara itu sudah Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that the habis. Sekarang kita berbahath Head total sum of $33,803 standing under 43-Attorney-General. Wang tambahan Head S. 30. Aborigine Affairs, be di-kehendaki sa-banyak $50,000. Kalau approved. hendak berchakap di-bawah head itu, boleh. Sir, with regard to Sub-head 17, a sum of $22,668 is required to meet the Question put, and agreed to. cost of repairs to the X-ray machine The sum of $50,000 for Head S. 43 which was damaged as a result of an ordered to stand part of the Second accident.· This is the only X-ray Schedule. 799 13 AUGUST 1963 800 Head S. 45- Mr Chairman: That is what I said. The Assistant Minister of Labour Question put, and agreed to. and Social WeHare (Enche' V. Manic­ The sum of $10 for Head S. 45 kavasagam): Sir, I beg to move that a ordered to stand part of the Second token vote of $10 under Head S. 45 Schedule. be approved. Since Command Paper No. 23 of 1963 explains in detail the Head S. 57- needs for this sum and I need not The Minister of Transport (Dato' dwell at length the reasons for the Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Tuan sums required. Pengerusi, saya mench1dangkan Kepala Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang): 57-Malayan Meteorological Service, Sir, I see that the explanation given Token Vote sa-banyak $10 di-luluskan here is about the Industrial Training oleh Dewan ini. Keterangan yang Institute. Sir, I feel that the question lengkap telah pun di-terangkan dalam of industrial training for the young Command Paper 23 tahun 1963, people in this country is very important, tentang kenaikan taksir unit bagi but there is not enough training pehak Tanah Melayu yang bergabong facilities of this type in our country. dengan Persatuan Meteorological We know that only 30 per cent of the Dunia. Jadi, itu-lah yang di-kehendaki young people get through their Primary tambahan perbelanjaan itu. to Secondary Promotion Examination, Tuan Pengerusi, saya menchadang­ and 70 per cent of these young people kan untok di-luluskan. are not able to be admitted to the Government or Government-aided Question put, and agreed to. Secondary Schools and, therefore, The sum of $10 for Head S. 57 apparently this large number of young ordered to stand part of the Second people should be provided with more Schedule. technical and industrial training. I see Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to that only a token vote of $10 is stand part of the Bill. provided here. Therefore, it shows that the Government is very slow in imple­ Bill reported without amendment : menting schemes of this or other read the third time and passed. similar types. I think the Government should speed up the facilities for the MOTION training of young people in technical and other skills. MALAYSIA AGREEMENT Order read for resumption of debate Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, on Question : Government fully realises the need for That this House, noting the desire of the the training of young men in these people of North Borneo, Sarawak and apprenticeship schemes and this Singapore to be federated in Malaysia with House-I think the Honourable Mem­ the existing States of the Federation in accordance with the agreement signed in ber has forgotten-approved, a big sum London on 9th July, 1963, hereby endorses of money under the Development that agreement. Estimates. A school building is coming To which the following amendment was up at Kuchai Road, and this building moved by Enche' Tan Phock Kin: will be ready some time early next To delete the words "hereby endorses year. I can assure this House that we that agreement" at the end, and insert in place thereof the words "is not yet are doing our best to give the young ascertained, hereby defers the endorsement people all the facilities for training. of that agreement." Mr Chairman: The amount asked Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, for is $10, but under Command Paper Sir, I do not know why the Supple­ No. 23 of 1963 it is $37,410. mentary Supply Bill should have come to interrupt the debate on such a Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, a serious and important motion such token vote of $10 only is asked for. as the Honourable Prime Minister's 801 13 AUGUST 1963 802 motion-and I think the Government investigation and prejudge the result was rather mean in doing that. While of the assessment. Furthermore, Mr I was on the subject of the Amendment, Speaker, Sir, the Government has made Mr Speaker, Sir, I was saying that if several mistakes in the handling of the this motion, standing in the name of Malaysian proposal, and I am sure that the Honourable Prime Minister, were the Honourable Prime Minister has to be passed without amendment, then been wrongly advised, so much so that it would be like putting the cart before we had the sorry spectacle of the the horse. I say this, because the motion Honourable Prime Minister making itself appears rather to be a result of such a short and unimpressive speech, the fact that the desire of the Bornean if I may say so, on such a momentous people has been noted by this House- occasion as this yesterday. Now, I the very first words say, " ...... understand the embarrassing situation noting the desire of the people . . . " we are in. But, unfortunately, our suggestions and our warnings, were Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government just dismissed, and we had been has gone to some great length to accused of so many things. I hope I explain to us that the desire of the might have the chance to reply, or people is very clear-may be to it. my colleagues might have the chance The Government says that elections to reply to those charges on the original were conducted, but Mr Speaker, Sir, to motion if that should come. us on this side of the House we do not know anything, or rather we do not Here, once again I would like to know how these elections were con­ remind the Government of what tran­ ducted and on what basis they were spired. We have been subjected to a lot conducted. of tension in this area since this proposal, and it was after the Manila Mr Speaker, Sir, as you may be Conference of Foreign Ministers that aware, the Opposition parties were not the tension subsided; but it became permitted to go to any of those terri­ worse after the signing of the Malaysia tories during the elections, while the Agreement. During the debate in the Government had their own people British House of Commons on a similar there-and I think the Minister with­ occasion, that is the passing of the out Portfolio was there as the Chief Malaysia Bill, one of the members of Campaign Manager for the whole thing. the British Delegation which toured the As such the Government might have area-Mr Fenner Brockway-asked for its reason; but we do not. caution and less hurry in the passing That is why I support this Amend­ of the Bill and he warned the British ment. Furthermore, the Government is Government of the possible conse­ working on an assumption, and the quences that would arise. With your assumption is that the findings of the permission, Sir, I would like to quote United Nations team would be favour­ from his speech, because I feel that able to it. Now, we have all worked there is significance and the situation on this assumption for a long time, but may be the same. things have turned out the other way­ and we have been asked to assume so Mr Speaker: Has that anything to many things. I think two examples do with the amendment? would suffice. The case of Brunei Enche' V. Veerappen: Yes, Sir. should be a very good example. Column No. 947 of Hansard dated the Although the Honourable Prime Minis­ 19th July, 1963, states: ter in his speech yesterday made much ·~one of my doubts about the way in play about how liberal we were, that which we are speeding this Bill through only shows that all of what was said Parliament is the effect that it will have on the relationship between Indonesia, the before cannot be taken at face value. Philippines and Malaysia, which began so Then there was the other case of the well at this conference.''-he was referring events leading to the Summit Meeting to the Manila Conference; there were certain things that were agreed to and I am in Manila. Therefore, I feel we should not going into details; which we all know. not underrate the significance of the He continues: ". . . . the intention was that 803 13 AUGUST 1963 804

U. Thant and the United Nations should feelings of the people among whom we ascertain the views of the people before live and the feelings of the people with ' Malaysia was introduced. What has happened about the undertaking given by the Federa­ whom we live more accurately, we tion of Malaya to consult the British should be standing here heralding the Government and the Governments of the birth of the new nation at the top of Borneo territories? Has that been done, and, our voice instead of fumbling for words if so, what was the reply?"-Personally, we are in the dark as to what happened after to say things. Thank you. the Manila Foreign Ministers' Conference. Sitting suspended at 12 .50 p.m. Each person seems to interpret things in his own way, but the events that followed do not seem to give credit to our Prime Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. Minister, the Government or the country. Further he continues: "What concerns me (Mr Speaker in the Chair) is not merely that Indonesia and the Philip­ pines will feel that they have been let down Debate resumed. by pushing Malavsia through so rapidly, but that U. Thant and the United Nations may Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (lpoh): feel that they have been rebuffed." Mr Speaker, Sir, the original motion, Mr Speaker, Sir, I have got this to introduced by the Honourable the say. As I said just now, a similar Prime Minister, now stands amended situation might arise, to say the least. and for debate. Mr Speaker, Sir, the If we proceed with this motion, it is amendment seeks to defer endorsement useless for the assessment that is to take of the Agreement reached in London on place, because this motion takes for the 8th of July, 1963. In supporting this granted that the desire of the people is amendment to the motion, it will be already ascertained? Besides that, Sir, necessary for me to go back to, perhaps, our people too are not very happy at the first time in recent times when the the way things are going. They too, I question of Malaysia and merger was would say, are dissatisfied and dis­ mentioned, because it will then become appointed that too much inducements clear why I support this amendment. and too many safeguards, have been Of importance is the fact that the given to the Borneo territories to Prime Minister of this country first persuade them to join Malaysia. One mentioned at a press luncheon in writer in the "Time Magazine", which Singapore the question of merger and is, of course, printed in America, says Malaysia. Subsequently, in this House that our Prime Minister "wooed, cajoled the question was debated and I, as the and bullied", these territories. Whether Honourable Member from Dato Kramat that is a credit or not. I do not know, said, speaking at that debate, said that but it comes from one of the Govern­ unless we were careful, unless we ment's closest friends. Sir, in spite of all proceeded with care and caution, and that, there seems to be doubt in the unless the principle of self-determination minds of people, and, if we proceed, for the territories was borne in mind and if this House is to endorse this Bill throughout the negotiations on the without an independent body assessing matter of Malaysia and merger, then the views of the people, then I think Malaya would be led by the Prime our people will be more disillusioned. Minister to the brink of war. Now, I The last point, Mr Speaker, Sir, is do not seek to be a prophet, but I do that the Member for Tanah Merah say that Malaya was led to the brink yesterday accused the Opposition of of war-and in fact the danger of a war employing delaying tactics by intro­ still exists today-and that is one of the ducing an amendment. In reply to him, reasons why it is so necessary that this I would like to say that it is better for House in discussing this amendment us to take more time and criticise and should bear in mind the necessity for make suggestions than to pat the postponement of endorsement of the Government on its back, or to pat our Agreement reached in London. leaders on the back, and then bring Mr Speaker, Sir, amongst many them to an ugly situation, which will reasons for this amendment, I would only bring discredit to ourselves and to like to give a few and to do so we our country. If we had assessed the would have to take our minds back, 805 13 AUGUST 1963 806 our memories back, to what has been S.U.P.P. delegations. It would be quite wrong to describe all these people as caused in the Borneo territories, in Communists or as being knowingly under Brunei and in Singapore, and in fact the Communist influence, and we had much Federation of Malaya itself, by this sympathy with those who took exception concept of Malaysia, as it has .been to being so described." called. We must remember the revolt or Mr Speaker, Sir, therefore, I hope that rebellion-<:all it what you like-in the Prime Minister of this country Brunei; we must remember the troubles would not in future say that an attempt which are now taking place in Sarawak to defer this motion would be done and North Borneo; and we must bear only by those who are communists or in mind the report of the Cobbold communist-inspired, because I have no Commission, which clearly indicates to doubt that the Cobbold Commission the world what has happened by this knows better than the Prime Minister concept of Malaysia beirig put in at the of this country, because they were there fast rate that it was put in by this for the specific purpose of investigating country-and, here, may I refer to what was happening in the Borneo page 27, paragraph 85 of the Cobbold territories. Therefore, the first step to Commission Report. Paragraph 85 is take is to stop this nonsense about a summary of what the Commission calling those who oppose Malaysia, found in the . Borneo territories and or ask for its deferment, as communists throughout this report one gets the or communist-inspired. clear indication that the concept of Malaysia, as put forward by the Prime In asking for deferment I would Minister of this oeountry which the like to make my Party's stand clear­ Cobbold Commission was asked to L1iat we do not question the mandate investigate, has caused racial tension of the Federation Government to bring in the Borneo territories. That pervades in Malaysia. They have a mandate to the whole of the Cobbold Report and do so and that mandate was given to every now and then the Cobbold them by the people when they voted Commission Report says that this their Party into power in 1959, because question of Malaysia has caused dis­ the Constitution of this country trust between the Chinese on the one contains a clause enabling the Govern­ side and the indigenous races on the ment of the day to bring in new terri­ other side. The racial tension, which tories to form the Federation. What is did not exist in those territories, now important is this : that we from the exists in those territories. It has been People' Progressive Party, as an Oppo­ suggested that a delay or deferment of sition Party, agrees with the other Malaysia and acceptance of the agree­ Opposition Parties here that there must ment reached with Singapore would be a deferment of acceptance of the give communists and communist-inspir­ London Agreement, because the fact ed opponents to Malaysia a chance that you have a mandate does not mean to cause damage and trouble. That that you can do anything you like. allegation made by the Prime Minister If that mandate is being misused by of this country is absolutely unjustified evil persons with evil intentions, and the Cobbold Commission itself­ then it is the duty of the Opposition and I think Lord Cobbold himself­ to bring that to the notice of the condemns an attitude of that nature country and the peoples concerned and from any reasonable, sensible person­ to do everything within its power to and that condemnation comes in para­ defer those evil intentions being carried graph 85 of the report. With your out. permission, I would like to read it. Mr Speaker, Sir, in supporting this Paragraph 85 says- Amendment, I am not going into the "Before concluding this section, and to details of what had been gone through avoid any possible misapprehension, we so many times in this House, but I should make it clear that we do not in any would like to contradict a number of way question the sincerity of very many thinking people, both Chinese. and others, statements which the Honourable the who opposed the Malaysia plan when Prime Minister gave for wanting this appearing before us as members of the motion to be passed today, and my 807 13 AUGUST 1963 808

contradictions of those points will be Therefore, those who-to use the my reasons for asking for deferment term-are 100 per cent, in favour of of the motion, which was proposed Malaysia, to according to the Cobbold before this House. Now, the Hon­ Commission, are only one-third of ourable the Prime Minister started off, the people of these territories. There amongst other things, by saying that is another one-third which wavers; the principle of self-determination has and there is a third, and the last always been adhered to on consulta­ one-third, which says: "Independence tions and conferences on the question first, failing which British remain of Malaysia. Mr Speaker, Sir, that is here." I am not concerned with which not a proper statement because, even view is correct, I am not concerned in Singapore, the question of self­ with which of those views is predo­ determination was never properly put minant, but what I am concerned to the people. They were never given with is that Mr Donald Stephens the alternative of merger or no merger. should not try to bluff the world by The referendum in Singapore was a saying that 99 per cent of the people referendum unheard of, perhaps, in of those territories support Malaysia •r any other country so far; and it was without question. Mr Speaker, Sir, I a referendum which was really not a think this House should lay more democratic referendum, as it never emphasis on the Cobbold Commission gave the people that alternative. So Report than on the words of Mr far as the Borneo territories are con­ Donald Stephens. Mr Speaker, Sir, if cerned, we had Mr Donald Stephens that is the position, then are we wrong making a statement in the newspapers in saying that we should not presup­ yesterday saying this-I am reading pose that the Secretary-General of the from the Straits Times : "Speaking United Nations will come back with for the people of Sabah I can say that an answer favourable to Malaysia? we have at least 99 per cent. support" If the Cobbold Commission with all --obviously for Malaysia. The Cob­ their resources, with all their work, bold Commission does not support could only come to the conclusion that stand, and I would refer this that only one-third of the peoples of House to paragraph 144 of the these territories are all out for Malay­ Cobbold Commission Report-and sia, then I say the Secretary-General's that is one more reason why there work in these territories can bring in must be a deferment of this motion. a result which the Cabinet of this Paragraph 144, on page 50 of the country may not expect. And for Report, says: those reasons, I think, it is a reason­ "Although, in such circumstances,"-they able thing to say, "Defer the motion are talking of the assessment of public which has been introduced." opinion in these territories-"individual judgment is bound to vary in emphasis, the Commission as a whole endorse, as a general Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable approximation not far wide of the mark, the the Prime Minister then referred to following assessment which is made by the Singapore, and I have said that the Chairman. About one-third"-1 emphasise one-third-"of the population in each terri­ referendum was not a proper one. The tory"-Borneo and Sarawak-"strongly Honourable the Prime Minister said favours early realisation of Malaysia without that a referendum was1 not carried out too much concern about terms and condi­ in Borneo and Sarawak because-I tions. Another third, many of them favour­ able to the Malaysia project, ask, with am not using his exact words-of the varying degrees of emphasis, for conditions ignorance of the people and that they and safeguards varying in nature and extent: might not understand what was a the warmth of support among this category would be markedly influenced by a firm referendum. But at the samei time, the expression of opinion by Governments ..." Honourable the Prime Minister told this House that the people, by their Then, it says: free will, had expressed the opinion "The remaining third is divided between that they wanted Malaysia. When they those who insist on independence before Malaysia is considered and those who would say something in your favour, they strongly prefer to see British rule continue are intelligent and responsible people. for some years to come." When you want to give them a chance 809 13 AUGUST 1963 810 to say something which may be that we can be satisfied that demo­ against you, you say that they are too cracy is established in this country, ignorant and so what is the use of that free expression is allowed, before giving them a chance. That, I think, we accept the London Agreement; is illogical and contradictory and has otherwise I would say today, "Accept no merit whatsoever. Mr Speaker, Sir, the London Agreement" if we are it is that kind of statement that throws satisfied that there has been demo~ grave doubts as to the honesty of cratically-voiced opinion of the people. purpose of the Malaysia Plan itself. But we stand up and say: "The Mr Speaker, Sir, if that kind of situation is such that we must defer it, contradictory statement is put to this because no democracy is being House as the reason for wanting the practised and the people have not got motion passed, then I say that that the right of free expression." Mr contradiction in itself is ground suffi­ Speaker, Sir, it is quite clear that the cient to suspect the motive of the Prime Minister of Singapore is motion and to support the Amendment frightened; he wants Malaysia so for deferment. quickly; he dared not even hold a Mr Speaker, Sir, then the Honour­ by-election when a seat in the Assem­ able the Prime Minister has said bly was created over a year ago. And that the Borneo territories cannot get is this House going to say, "Let us independence on their own. Now, I do rush through, let us accept the not think our friend Mr Donald London Agreement", knowing what is Stephens would be very pleased with facing the people in these territories? that statement, because he assumes to It is no use saying, "In Malaya we are be a leader and says, "If no Malaysia democratic." We are asking other on 3 lst August, then independence territories to place their destinies in for my country on the 31st"-and we the hands of this nation, and it is1 our are told by our Prime Minister that duty and our obligation to see that they cannot get independence. those people have every opportunity to express their views. If we are not We are also told by the Honourable satisfied, then we should defer it; and the Prime Minister that this is a I say it is a disgrace that in Singapore democratic country. I agree-by its that situation exists. Constitution it is. We are told that people have the right to express their Mr Speaker, Sir, the Manila Talks views without fear or favour and that are important for this reason. What their views have been so expressed actually happened at the Manila Talks? and, therefore, there is no reason why Would we be justified today in saying, we should not accept the London "Accept the London Agreement; we Agreement. Now, if that is the reason, do think any further about it?" I say then I contradict it. I contradict it by that will not be: firstly, because it will this very simple reason. In Singapore, be a breach of faith, if what we read which is connected with Malaysia, in the newspapers is what actually there is no liberty. The Prime Minister happened in Manila. The Honourable of that country has gone to the extent the Prime Minister will himself agree of saying that the opposition shall not that in this House almost every hold public meetings-but he himself Opposition, long before the trouble can hold public meetings: He himself with Indonesia broke out, said to the can go round the Island, but the Honourable the Prime Minister, "Defer Opposition is not allowed to hold this matter, hold a referendum, allow public meetings. I hope that is not the self-determination to these territories, concept which the Prime Minister of postpone the issue." The pleas, of this country has of freedom. course, fell on deaf ears-and yesterday Mr Speaker: How do you connect the Honourable Prime Minister gave that with the Amendment? us the reason. He said, "I always like to keep the Opposition at arm's Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam: That length." Very good, then I pose the is the reason I ask for deferment so question : Why was not President 811 13 AUGUST 1963 812 Soekarno kept at arm's length? Is it that the Indonesian authorities had because his guns and his bullets could already stated that they would not be threaten the Prime Minister of this bound to accept the findings of the country, or because his guns and his Secretary-General after his work in the bullets could say, "You do this" to Borneo territories-that is one more the Minister without Portfolio? As important reason why this motion appeared in the newspapers, the should be deferred. And I hope the Minister is looking so terrified Honourable Prime Minister will clarify (Laughter). Is it because of his guns this in his reply : was it agreed, or was and weapons that he could succeed it not agreed, at Manila that all where our own people could not parties would be bound to accept the - succeed, and we are asked to accept opinions of the United Nations after the agreement in London without their work in the territories? If the deferment? Is it not a disgrace in the answer is in the negative, then I say international eyes also that this country that it was a useless conference which has been degraded in the sense that has achieved nothing, because it is a show of violence could do what very obvious that if there was no democratic people asked to be done in agreement, then there is not going to a democratic way? And we are told be acceptance by certain parties-and that there was complete accord in the I think that we, as a House, ask to name of peace and in the path of be informed of what actually happened angels. at Manila in that respect. Mr Speaker, Sir, as I said, I support Mr Speaker, Sir, it is very clear that "" this amendment, but I would like to England is not very happy with what make it clear that I do not support the Honourable Prime Minister did in Maphilindo-and my Party does not Manila. From newspaper reports, from support Maphilindo. I have to mention observations made in Parliament, it this, because the Honourable the Prime is clear that England was not consulted Minister was very kind yesterday to before agreement in Manila was say that we did not sign the letter reached. That appears on the face of asking the Government to resign, etc., it to be a breach of faith. Perhaps, etc. We could not sign it, because we again, the Honourable Prime Minister do not agree with Maphilindo, and can explain. Why is it that there was that is 'the reason we could not sign such a great hurry to say "Yes, Sir" it. It is not that thero is any split to Dr Soekarno, even before consulta­ between anybody of a serious nature. tion with the ally? Was it because of the desire for peace or, I say again, Now, the Honourable Prime Minis­ was it the bullets and weapons which ter may say that what the Opposition stand ready? is saying today is just, to use his own words, "empty boasts which do Mr Speaker, Sir, if this motion is not worry us". Ours may be empty defeated, then we will have an opportu­ boasts, but I appeal to the Government nity to debate the original motion and, not to think that the boasts of Indo­ under those circumstances, I only say, nesia are empty boasts. We should not "Do not think that the Opposition assume that they are empty boasts. We Parties in this country are irrespons­ should assume that they are serious ible". We have issued a warning on and that they play for keeps, because Malaysia from the word "Go", and if their interests are vital business in one reads through the Hansard or Par­ Malaysia. Whilst I do not support the liamentary Debates in this House, one stand of Indonesia, I say that this will find that every warning which the country should think carefully. Listen Opposition gave has come to pass. to your own elected representatives; And, today, I say that if Malaysia is listen to your own people more; you going to be rushed through, if you are lose nothing by deferring this. going to sabotage the work of the United Nations in those territories, The next question which is important then you are asking for more trouble, is this. Yesterday's radio had announced you will not only lead Malaya to the 813 13 AUGUST 1963 814 brink of war, but you will bring actual Malaysia should be slightly delayed it war into Malaya; and I hope that is was due to our desire to work sincerely not the intention of the Cabinet, or for peace. Here let me say this. that the Government of this country. Those although we are not so superstitious to who speak of peace should know that, insist on August the 31st to be the only if they want peace, there can be no date good for Malaysia, I think we must hurry in matters of this nature. make it clear to the world that we cannot tolerate any outside interference Enche' Lee Siok Yew (Sepang): Mr in our own affairs. If our Leader and Speaker, Sir, I rise to oppose the our Government think that this date amendment made by the Honourable should be extended, very well let it be. Member for Tanjong. Why do I say But I would like to put on record that I oppose it? Mr Speaker, Sir, I have if Malaysia Day has got to be post­ no doubt that all right thinking citizens poned, it will not be postponed because in Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak and of President Soekarno, or President Sabah are happy to see that they are Macapagal, or anybody else, but going to be united in a great nation because of our own decision. called "Malaysia." In this connection, Sir, all tribute must be paid to our Mr Speaker, Sir, the Opposition great Leader, the Honourable the Prime parties are trying to block Malaysia. Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman-and They say that Malaysia is not on the also the Alliance as a whole-whose principle of self-determination for the farsightedness and broadmindedness Borneo territories and Singapore, and have not only brought our country these utterances hold the exact views peace and prosperity to the envy of of such persons as Dupa Nusantara all international observers, friends as Aidit, Colonel Husin Yusof, Mr Juno well as enemies, but also with this and the lot; and behind these phrases London Agreement extend the same of opposition to Malaysia, we hear the peace and prosperity to our fellow military threat from • the front line brothers in Singapore, Sarawak, Sabah, Government leaders and military com­ who had hitherto been made to live manders. separately from us by our former Mr Speaker, Sir, on August the 2nd colonial masters. Mr Speaker, Sir, I a Reuter despatch from Manil~ quoted repeat that the people of Singapore, President Soekarno as saying Uiat the Sarawak and Sabah are our brothers, Indonesian Army, Navy and Air Force whose political separation from us had are the strongest in South-East Asia, been created by our colonial masters. and this is what he said : "Some people We in Malaya call ourselves Malayans; fear us in Indonesia." On August 1st a in Singapore the people call themselves Jakarta report, also by Reuter, said Singaporeans; and in Sarawak they call that the official Indonesia News Agency, themselves Sarawakians. But we must Antara, reported ...... admit that we share the same outlook, Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, have the same cultural background, the on a point of order-Standing Order same pattern of economic life, and are 36 (1): is the speaker speaking on the even using the same kind of currency. amendment, or is he speaking about the Mr Speaker, Sir, it is, therefore, natural Agreement, or is he speaking about for the people of these Malaysian Indonesia's Communist Party? territories to come together, and I am sure that historians will not be surprised Mr Speaker: We are debating on the if in these years of the emancipation of amendment to defer the motion on the colonies we, the Malaysian people, may Agreement. still allow ourselves to be divided and ruled. So, let us all regard the London Enche' Lee Siok Yew: Mr Speaker, Agreement on Malaysia as a natural Sir, I have got reasons and I will give and inevitable product of history which them as to why I oppose the amend­ no man can turn back. ment. Dr Subandrio's one division of army veterans are ready at any time to Yesterday, we heard the Honourable kill Malaysia. The division is com­ the Prime Minister explaining that if manded by retired Col. Husin Yusof. 815 13 AUGUST 1963 816 Meanwhile. Mr Speaker. Sir. in Banjar­ should not they tell President Soekamo masin Colonel Hamid Mahmud, com­ that his remarks were in fact a pre­ mander of Indonesia's Sumatran Army. judgment on the outcome of the United told a mass rally on Monday that his Nations Survey Team? Sir, I would troops were waiting for President like to ask, who will be happy if Soekarno's command to carry out Indo­ Malaysia fell, not even having to use nesia's confrontation against Malaysia. Col. Husin's army in Sumatra which Mr Speaker, Sir, Malaya today is being I have just instanced. It is obvious to threatened by these words of war from me that the Socialist Front's move in without, and we have right here in this delaying Malaysia is not in the interests House an Opposition to echo such of this country but in the interests of •- threat by suggesting that this Parliament another country whose confrontation should be dissolved so that there will policy against Malaya is already famous. be no Malaysia, at least for the time (Applause). # being. For the same purpose, a Socialist Mr Speaker, Sir, this London Agree. Front Member has moved an amend­ ment, as we all know it, was signed ment to defer the endorsement of the by our Government and the representa­ London Agreement. His reason, as we tives of Singapore, Sarawak and Sabah. have been told yesterday, is that such This is the Parliament of the Federation endorsement will be prejudging the of Malaya. Now, the question is outcome of the survey by the United whether we should endorse our stand, Nations team in Borneo. Mr Speaker, or whether we should endorse Indo­ Sir, let me ask, on whose platform nesia's and Philippine's stand, as does the Socialist Front stand-Indo­ suggested in the speech of the Honour­ nesia's, Communist China's or whose? able Member for Tanjong yesterday­ (Applause). I remember that President ! would like to quote the speech made Soekarno said a similar thing after his by the Honourable Member for Tan­ return ...... jong as reported in the Straits Times : Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, "What will be the reactions of Indonesia on a point of order-he is reading his and Philippines," he asks, "if this motion is adopted. It will give rise to suspicion of the speech. (Laughter). integrity of the Federation Government. The Mr Speaker: As long as he does not Indonesian Prime Minister has already accused the Federation Prime Minister of hold it up, it is all right. (Laughter). going back on his word. What will be his Enche' Lim Kean Siew: That is not reaction to this?" the point, Sir. The question is, does Mr Speaker, Sir, so I say that this he understand what he is reading? House should discard this amendment (Laughter). by the Socialist Front and take it as Mr Speaker: You have no right to proof that their interests lie more with say that. foreign countries than ours. Thank you very much. (Applause). Enche' Lee Siok Yew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Opposition has a chance Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, to charge me in this House, or outside it is really unfortunate that the Honour­ the House after my speech. able Member for Sepang has been reading a speech without knowing its " Mr Speaker: Please proeeed. contents. Sir, he has been making Enche' Lee Siok Yew: Sir, when he references to Aidit. First of all, I do returned to Jakarta from Manila, he not know whether he understands who said that he believed that the Borneo is Aidit or where he comes from and people would express their objection to what is his position in Indonesia! Malaysia when the United Nations Enche' Lee Siok Yew: Sir, on a team was there. He even went one step point of clarification. further to say that if the Borneo people have guts they should go against Enche' V. David: Which Order Malaysia. Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, if the please? Socialist Front is so much in sympathy Enche' Lee San Choon (Kluang with President Soekarno's line, why Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, on point of 817 13 AUGUST 1963 818 order. The Honourable Member is Member for Tanjong, because we felt reading his speech. (Laughter). that this would not be a proper and appropriate time to have such a motion Mr Speaker: (To Enche' V. David) adopted in this House. The reasons are Do you give way to the Honourable as follows. The Prime Minister, who Memberfor Sepang? told us that he went to Manila seeking Enche' V. David: No, Sir. (Laughter). peace in the interest of Asia, has at this My Party does not employ a secretary Manila Conference given an under­ for $2,000 to write speeches like the taking that he is prepared to wait for Honourable Members for Kluang and the United Nations; later he felt at the Sepang who do not know what they are same time that he had already over­ reading and who cannot express even spoken on many times about Malaysia from the written script given to them. and the day of its formation. He was So, before reading their speeches, let put in a position where he felt that he them take the trouble, at least in their would be discredited if the date of 31st houses to memorise. August was changed. At the same time there was no alternative for him if he Enche' Geb Chong Keat (Penang desired peace and so he had to listen Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point to what the other neighbouring coun­ of order-S.O. 36 (I). I think the tries requested him to do. And finally, Honourable Member is imputing im­ to save face, he was forced to change proper motive. the date of 31st August. Enche' V. David: I am not imputing, Now, while an agreement has been but now I charge that the Members of reached for the United Nations team to the Government are reading written ascertain the wishes of the people of speeches. Are you satisfied with this these territories under question, I see now? no reason why a motion of this nature The Prime Minister: We are not as should be brought in this House. The clever as you are! (Laughter). motion only indicates that the Govern­ ment has no confidence even on the Mr Speaker: Please proceed! United Nations team but it is pre­ Encbe' V. David: It has been the judging that the people of the Borneo habit of the M.C.A., at least a large territories would accept whatever is section of the M.C.A. Members who decided by the Malayan Prime are elected here to raise their hands Minister. when and where necessary and once in Sir, in a time of crisis this has rare occasion they would like to utter; occurred now and, if we do not think and when they like to utter, lovely in terms of a wider aspect of the situa­ speeches are drafted by paid experts tion, the whole nation can be drawn and then they come here and read those into a cold war. We on this side of the speeches. House do not want to see that Malaya Mr Speaker: I won't allow you to is dragged into a cold war. Sir, we have dwell on that point any more ! If you seen the horrors of war in 1941 and we do that, I will stop you ! do not ·want that to be repeated in Malaya again. Encbe' V. David: Yes, Sir. In the ..l speech of the Member for Sepang, he Sir, while the meeting was taking did say that our loyalty does not lie place in Manila, the confrontation with national interest. As far as we are policy is still not withdrawn; even to concerned, the Socialist Front has this date, the confrontation policy of always identified its interest with the the Indonesian Government is being nation's well-being than any other carried out. There has been no public interest at all. We are faced now with a statement to the effect as to whether Indonesia has withdrawn her confronta­ situation where, whether we like it or tion policy or not. When a situation of not, we must express the truth. this nature has reached a climax, the Sir, the amendment to the motion Government before even giving the was proposed by my colleague, the United Nations the opportunity to 819 13 AUGUST 1963 820 ascertain the wishes of the people, is adopt the motion, if necessary, at a plunging in a move to have a mandate later stage ! from this House. Sir, any free thinking Mr Speaker, Sir, the people of the man will not accept a motion of this Bornean territories are people like the nature when we are fully aware that the people in the Federation of Malaya. time for the adoption of this motion They want freedom, they want protec­ is not appropriate. tion, and they want safeguards. It is Sir, recently there were three Mem­ the universal right of every citizen and bers of Parliament from England who every human being in any part of the visited this country and one of them on world to fight for these fundamental his return is reported to have stated rights to which he is entitled as a as follows: human being and today the very "Mr Fenner Brockwav, Chairman of the Government, the very Prime Minister Movement for Coloniai Freedom said in who frequently advocates . . . . London that Malaysia should be postponed if a referendum were to take place in Enche~ Abdul Razak bin Haji Husin Singapore and the three Borneo territories (Lipis): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Per­ with adequate preparations and democratic atoran Meshuarat 35 (1}-Sa-saorang understanding." ahli yang hendak berchakap hendak­ He has also further stated: lah bangun di-tempat-nya dan apabila "A referendum should be held in the di-panggil oleh Pengerusi maka hendak­ territories that are to form Malaysia includ­ lah ia berdiri mengarahkan uchapan­ ing Malaya, because it was very desirable nya kapada Pengerusi. Sa-saorang ahli that any federation should have the endorse­ ment of the people." tidak boleh berchakap melainkan sa­ telah di-panggil oleh Pengerusi. Sa­ Sir, this will clearly show that even panjang yang saya pandang Ahli Yang foreigners with open mind and without Berhormat itu beruchap memandang any prejudice have commented that ka-arah sa-belah sini, tetapi tidak Malaysia should not be formed without memandang bagi menghormati Tuan ascertaining the views of the people in Yang di-Pertua. Terima kaseh. the respective territories. Mr Speaker: Perkara itu kechil Sir, while negotiations were going on, sangat. (Ketawa). Proceed. the United States of America pointed a pistol on the head of the President of Enche' V. David: I am sorry for his Indonesia: "Here it is, if you don't ignorance. accede to the request of Malaysia, we Mr Speaker: No comment! are withdrawing our aid." This will show the meanness of the United Enche' V. David: Sir, the very Prime States. If anybody says that the United Minister who has been frequently States offers aid to any country without advocating democracy and freedom red tape, it is utter nonsense. This today has committed an act, to which incident has exposed beyond doubt that the people of Borneo and Singapore America will not pay a single cent of will never forgive in the rest ·of their its taxpayers without re~ping the lives. The act of the Federation harvest. Government is an act which cannot be forgotten for the very simple reason Sir, even at this crucial moment, that in its desire to colonise these Indonesia, bearing the interest of the territories it has resorted to methods A~ian nations in mind, stood firm and which are undemocratic and unparlia­ felt strongly that the people's wishes mentary. of the Borneo territories should be fully ascertained ; and, as a result of Mr Speaker, Sir, Malaya today is that, agreement was reached for inviting attempting to dominate the people of the United Nations mission. Now, the North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore mission is on its way and it will be by imposing herself against the wishes starting its work very soon. Then why of the people of these territories. Sir, is such a hurry to adopt this motion at let us not be power-drunk. The Govern­ this time? Why cannot we wait and ment today with its majority is in a 821 13 AUGUST 1963 822 comfortable position to steamroll any House-you can give your reasons why constructive argument placed in this it should be postponed. House. But you must be always aware Enche' V. David: My reason for that this comfortable majority can also referring to the Prime Minister of be wrecked if you are not careful. Sir, Singapore is that he cannot negotiate Malaya is a country which has poten­ with the Federation of Malaya because tialities for development, a country he is not a credited representative of which can grow in wealth, which can Singapore. (Laughter). bring peace and prosperity to this country. But unfortunately the Govern­ Mr Speaker: I must point out to you ment has resorted to methods whereby that the debate on the amendment of the nation may be dragged into a cold the motion is why endorsement of the war. Today, Sir, British interests and London Agreement should be deferred. American interests have increased You can only give your reasons why tremendously in Malaysia and in Asia. it should be deferred, not to go beyond American interference in Asia has that, because we are going back to the always been looked upon with suspi­ substantive motion. cion and contempt, but today this is an opportunity for them; in the name Enche' V. David: Sir, we heard of bogey communism and resistence after the London Agreement from the to bogey communism the United States Prime Minister of Singapore that we has systematically used its influence on must have Malaysia by 31st August, the Prime Minister of Malaya to act 1963. Now he has said that he will accordingly and to fulfil the foreign listen to the Federation Government. policy of the United States Govern­ A man who advocated that Malaysia ment. Sir, I humbly submit that the should take place by 31st August has motion should be postponed and now withdrawn his stand. In the mean· shelved until such time as we hear a time, a partner of the Alliance-the verdict from the United Nations team. M.C.A.---does not recognise that man-Sir, I am referring to that man From the time the talk of Malaysia because he is a party to the London took place there had been events Agreement (Laughter)-and the M.C.A. following this talk : events such as does not recognise his representation. mass arrests in Sarawak, in Brunei But, however, he has gone into the and also in Singapore. Sir, what are good books of the UMNO and he the reasons for these arrests. People has won the goodwill of the Prime who stood up to fight against the Minister and the Federation Govern­ arbitrary actions of the Government, ment. But it will not be too long when people who thought that their rights are the time will come when the Prime being invaded were arrested without Minister of Singapore will stab the any crimes committed. Federation on the back. Sir, today let us examine the case of Mr Speaker, Sir, after the talks in Singapore. Malaya is dealing with a Manila what has happened to con­ most discredited Prime Minister who frontation? The Federation Govern­ has been disowned by the people of ment has been silent in this matter and Singapore. But the Federation Govern­ has not been expressing itself in this ment has failed to see things in the issue. It has been quiet; may be for wider interests. The Prime Minister of reasons well known to them. But as far Singapore, as it is, has no right to as the Indonesian Government is con­ discuss the terms. But, however, he cerned, its confrontation policy is on has bargained enough for a complete and in fact it is progressing day to day. sell out of Singapore to the Federation. Sir, while taking all this into considera­ tion, has this country moved towards Mr Speaker: Order, order! How is peace and prosperity? That is the main that connected with this amendment? question which is asked now. The It has no connection at all. I want you answer as we see it from the actions of to confine your observations to the the Government and from the move­ amendment to the motion before the ments made by the Government at 823 13 AUGUST 1963 824 frequent intervals is that we are driven of the people of any territory. If it to the conclusion that the Government attempts to do so, ultimately it will is not seeking peace-but inviting war fail miserably. The Government, on this and dragging this nation of ours into a occasion, has forgotten all morals­ cold war. it has gone into methods which are arbitrary, which are against the will of Sir, the tragic incidents which have the people of the Borneo territories. taken place in Brunei, Singapore and the Borneo territories from the time of Mr Speaker, Sir, Indonesia today is Malaysia was announced remain as a not seeking war, but if at all war comes scar in the minds of the people of these to Malaya, it is because of the constant territories. We have seen revolts and irritation of the Malayan Government. we have seen bitter opposition to and war would eventually take place. Malaysia. All these people have been But we all do not want war in this arrested under the cloak of communism country; we want peace and prosperity and under the cloak of undesirable in this part of the world. Peace and elements. They have been persecuted prosperity can only be achieved by for no reason. Today the Malayan balanced thinking and thinking in the Government is placed in the docks to right direction. In its eagerness to answer the people of the Bornean colonise more territories, however small territories. Malaya is placed in the docks these territories may be, it should be for committing a crime, a crime not in remembered that they will rise to the small degree but in the large scale. defend themselves. They are freedom· Why? What crime is it? The aspira· loving people as we are; and no country tions of the Brunei people for indepen­ will subject itself to arbitrary powers of dence was sabotaged by the Malayan a government which they do not police force. The Federation Govern­ recognise. ment, who had championed all the while for the liberation of colonial Mr Speaker, Sir. finally, I submit people, had thought it fit and proper to once again that my Party from the despatch police force and arms to beginning has opposed Malaysia. We suppress the freedom fighting people of have opposed Malaysia on the ground Brunei and the people of Brunei will that the peoples of the respective not forgive this. Why did they sent the territories should be given the opportu­ police force? Because the Malay Regi­ nity to decide for themselves and no ment refused to go. They said they are powers should impose themselves on fighting for freedom. them; and we have opposed Malaysia Mr Speaker: Order, order! That is because we felt that it is antagonising not relevant. I have told you time and the neighbours in Asia. Our stand has. again that we are now debating on the been very clear and, from the begin­ amendment that because the wishes of ning, we have advocated our stand in the people have not been ascertained, categorical terms, as a result of which this House should defer the endorse­ we have even lost our Member for ment of the agreement. That is a very Setapak. We have sacrificed the Mem­ simple amendment to the motion. If ber for Setapak for speaking the truth. you can only confine to the amend­ Sir, let the Government reconsider its ment, J. will allow you to continue; stand, postponing the motion this would otherwise I will stop you. be to the advantage not only to the Opposition but also to the entire nation Enche' V. David: Thank you, Sir. and the Government. Thank you, Sir. It is my humble submission that Malaysia is not formed for the pre­ Enche' Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis servation of peace but as a bulwark Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya against the social and political progress bangun menyertai dengan sahabat saya not only in Malaya but in Asia. di-sebelah sini bagi membangkang pindaan yang di-buat oleh wakil dari Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government Tanjong yang berchita2 hendak me­ cannot force itself against the wishes lambatkan terbentok-nya sa-buah negara 825 13 AUGUST 1963 826 Malaysia dan berchita2 untok menge­ tidak lojik, sebab ia-nya tidak kena­ kalkan tanah merah penjajah di­ mengena langsong dengan perjanjian Tenggara Asia di-dalam Tanah Melayu tersebut. Hanya apa yang di-dapati ini. Sa-panjang fahaman saya bahawa bahawa gulongan2 itu terutama sa-kali perjanjian yang sa-rupa itu ada-lab Persatuan Islam sa-Tanah Melayu perjanjian ufitok menamatkan penja· bercbita2 hendak menchari jalan untok jahan di· Tenggara Asia dan juga menyekat ada-nya atau wujud-nya di-seluroh 'Alam Melayu dan akan kesatuan Malaysia. Bukan sahaja mewujudkan suatu bangsa bagi negara mereka itu menyekat pembentokan Tanah Melayu ini yang chintakan Malaysia, tetapi pada masa kita men­ demokrasi dan cbintakan keamanan chapai kemerdekaan dahulu pun dan kema'moran sejati. Sa-bagaimana meteka juga telah menentang ada-nya kita ma'alum menurut kedudokan per­ merdeka dan mereka juga telah ber­ janjian tetsebut ada-lah menunjokkan kata metdeka kosong bagitu dan bagini. perkara2 yang mendatangkan faedah Mereka sekarang kesalkan negeri2 yang yang besar bagi perkembangan kema­ merdeka ini, ketana merugikan orang1 juan ra'ayat di-Tanah Melayu dan Melayu. Dan pada masa kita mem­ juga negara Malaysia kelak. Di·sini birtchangkan soal ada-nya Malaysia, saya sukachita mengambil kesempatan maka kita dapat tahu pehak mereka bagi menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 tahniah itu sehdiri telah menentang pada masa kapada Yang Teratnat Mulia Tunku berlaku pemberontakan di-Brunei, Perdana Menteri, Timbalan Perdana terang2 Panglima Jihad-nya menyokong Menteri dan juga rombongan-nya yang pemberontakan yang di-adakan di­ telah mendapat sa-penoh2 kejayaan Brunei itu sa-hingga di-sanjong dengan walau pun pada mula-nya menghadapi perkataan Paduka Yang Mulia Sheikh kesukaran untok membuat perjanjian Azahari (Tepok). ini, tetapi dengan sebab jasa baik dan Nampak-nya dengan terang dan kebijaksanaan mereka telah menghadap nyata bahawa mereka itu sa-olah2 sa-barang kemunkinan, maka per­ menjadi agent untok menghanchorkan janjian itu dapat di-wujudkan dan pembentokan Malaysia yang kita per­ kapada mereka itu sa-kali lagi saya juangkan sekarang ini. menguchapkan tahniah dan terima kaseh. Mengenai alasan2 daripada Mr Speaker: Order! Order! Saya pehak Pembangkang untok men~nggoh­ hendak mengingatkan bahawa perba­ kan perjanjian dengan alasan untok hathan kita ini hanya-lah pada pindaan­ menghormati perjanjian yang di-ada­ nya sahaja, oleh sebab kemabuan kan di-Manila di·antara tiga kuasa orang2 di-sabelah Sarawak sana belum besar tadi, pada pendapat saya per­ lagi di-dapati dan sudab pun ada janjian tersebut tidak ada kena-mengena rombongan menjalankan penyiasatan. dengan perjanjian di-Manila itu. Per­ Jadi, Majlis ini supaya memutuskan janjian di-London itu ada-lah perjanjian pengesahan perjanjian yang di-buat bagi negeri2 di-antara Kerajaan British di-London itu sahaja, tolong-lah dengan Kerajaan Tanah Melayu. Akan tumpukan perbahathan itu. tetapi di-Manila sana ada-lah perjan­ Enche' Othman bin Abdullah: jian satu pakatan atau penerangan yang Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lebeh terang dan jelas dengan negara2 saya pun ada-lah menumpukan di-Tenggara Asia tadi, kenapa dan uchapan saya di-atas perbahathan mengapa patut negara2 ia•itu Singapura, mengenai chita2 pehak pembangkang Sarawak dan Sabah masok gagasan untok menanggohkan perjanjian itu Malaysia anjoran Tunku, dan mene­ dengan alasan2 ia-itu atas persetujuan rangkan betapa perlu-nya kita menjadi­ di-London. Kerana, apa yang saya kan sa-buah negara Malaysia dan katakan tadi ia-lah gerakan Persatuan mempertahankan di-seluroh Tenggara Islam sa-'tanah Melayu untok melam­ Asia bagi menyekat kemasokan komi­ bat2kan atau menanggohkan gagasan nis. Maka dengan sebab itu saya rasa Malaysia dengan beberapa alasan dan jika pehak Pembangkang membangkit­ chara, ada di-antara-nya membawa kan alasan2 untok tidak menghormati usul2 di-dalam Parlimen ini dan ada perjanjian di-Manila ini sa-benar2 juga yang membantu pehak2 luar 827 13 AUGUST 1963 828 supaya menentang habis2an. Tuan uchapan2 yang di-keluarkan oleh Yang di-Pertua, rasa saya bukan pehak2 pembangkang tadi sa-olah2 sahaja pehak PAS yang menentang mereka berpendapat bahawa mereka bahkan juga bagi pehak Socialist Front sahaja-lah agak-nya, atau pun yang yang ada pada hari ini berchita2 untok betuJ2 mendapat mandate daripada menentang berhabis2an, kerana mereka ra'ayat. Mereka lupa di-antara uchap­ itu tidak gemar wujud-nya demokrasi an2 yang di-keluarkan-nya di-hadapan di-dalam Tarrah Melayu dan hapus-nya mereka sekarang ini pun bahawa kami penjajahan di-seluroh Tenggara Asia yang dudok diam tadi ada-lah bersama2 ini dan mereka berchita2 untok me­ dengan pemimpin kami yang hendak rampas dan melenyapkan demokrasi melaksanakan Malaysia itu. Lebeh2 yang ada di-Tarrah Melayu dan lagi, apa yang kita lihat sekarang ini berchita2 pada tahun 1964 untok di-sabelah Sarawak atau North Borneo, menegakkan sa-buah negara Kominis. kalau kita dapat jawapan dengan tegas Maka dengan sebab itu, saya pada hari dan bagi pehak kita tidak-lah ragu2 ini inenentang habis2an supaya jangan lagi mengaJu2kan supaya pehak Setia­ ada mana2 pehak pun yang akan Usaha Agong Bangsa2 Bersatu dapat mengelirukan kita. Sa ya, Tuan Yang sendiri membuktikan kenyataan2 yang di-Pertua, menyokong dan meminta benar daripada pertimbangan kita Per­ supaya perjanjian itu di-persetujukan ikatan ini yang mengatakan orang2 di­ pada hari ini juga, terima kaseh. sana juga memang sangat chintakan dengan Malaysia itu. ltu-lah jalan-nya Enche' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak untok menyelamatkan mereka untok (Melaka Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menchari kemajuan pada masa yang saya suka menchampori sadikit sahaja akan datang. dalam perbahathan daripada pindaan pehak pembangkang yang di-bawa Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa per­ oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Tan­ bahathan hendak melambat2kan untok jong, untok menanggohkan perjanjian menahan pengesahan perjanjian itu, yang di-tanda tangani di-London itu. saya rasa tidak-lah di-panjang2kan lag:i Saya tidak-lah terperanjat langsong dan lebeh baik-lah kita menjalankan atas segala hujah2 yang di-keluarkan undi sahaja pada petang ini. oleh parti pembangkang, kerana saya Che' .Khadijah binti Mohamed Sidek telah berpendapat sa-kira-nya bagi (Dungun): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya pehak Kerajaan Perikatan itu telah 2 menyokong pindaan wakil daripada membuat satu perjanjian kalau lambat Tanjong ia-itu meminta supaya di­ di-rojokkan kapada Parlimen, tentu­ tanggohkan pengesahan daripada per­ lah barangkaJi! itu akan di-tudoh lebeh janjian yang di-perbuat di-London itu. hebat lagi, dan sekarang apabila 2 Kerajaan Perikatan mengemukakan Sebab -nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal ka-Dewan ini ia-itu Dewan yang yang di-binchangkan di-hadapan kita memberi mandate untok merundingkan ini bukan-lah suatu soal yang kechil, dan menjalankan tugas atas gagasan tetapi satu soal yang besar berkenaan dengan negara dan bangsa. Saya Malaysia tahun 1961 dahulu, sa-telah takut kalau di-lakukan dengan sa-chara siap kami pehak Kerajaan membuat terburu2 maka mungkin nanti pehak perjanjian yang terang dan jelas di-sini 2 maka usaha2 telah di-timbulkan untok orang Melayu banyak yang akan menggagalkan tujuan atau perjanjian menjadi penyesalan bagi mereka. Saya itu. suka mengingatkan saudara2 saya Yang Berhormat di-sabelah sana supaya ber­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam fikir dengan lebeh dalam lagi dan uchapan2 pehak pembangkang ke­ jangan-lah tergesa2 hendak melakukan dapatan terang dan jelas mereka soal ini, fikir-lah baik2 apa yang akan kebanyakan-nya menudoh dan menge­ terjadi di-belakang hari yang akan luarkan sentimen sa-mata2, oleh sebab menimpa kapada anak bangsa kita di­ yang demikian saya tidak nampak negeri ini. Kita harus membawakan soal di-sini hendak menyokong atas pindaan ini kapada keperibadian negara, kapada yang di-majukan-nya itu. Tuan Yang keperibadian bangsa yang menyerah­ di-Pertua, apabila kita mendengar kan pusaka dato' nenek moyang kita

-- ~ ------829 13 AUGUST 1963 830 bangsa Melayu. Harus-lah kita mengi­ pada pehak Kerajaan berkata atau kuti pepatah daripada orang2 tua kita, berfikir yang mereka mempunyai suara kita pakai dan kita patoh dengan itu terbanyak (majority) dalam Dewan ini yang berbunyi; "Kalau kita hendak dan kerana sa-bagaimana yan~ di­ berkata2 hendak-lah peliharakan lidah, uchapkan oleh Yang Berhormat Per­ kalau kita berjalan hendak-lah peli­ dana Menteri bahawa pilehan raya harakan kaki". Sebab, Tuan Yang di­ baharu2 ini berjalan kemenangan ada­ Pertua, kalau kita berkata2 tidak dengan lah di-pehak Parti Perikatan berma'ana berfikir, terburu2 sahaja, harus bila ra'ayat memberi keperchayaan penoh tergigit lidah itu, kita sendiri akan me­ atau bererti itu-lah mandat daripada nanggong sakit, sendiri lidah itu akan ra'ayat kapada Parti Perikatan. Tuan Iuka, tidak ada di-tanggong oleh orang Yang di-Pertua, dalam perkara ini lain. sangat saya hairan sa-kali, kerana Bagitu juga ibarat-nya kalau kita dalam pilehan raya itu, bukan sahaja berjalan tergesa2 dan terburu2 dengan soal Malaysia di-terangkan kapada tidak teliti, tidak melihat ka-bawah dan ra'ayat, tetapi soal kedudokan Majlis tidak melihat kiri kanan harus ter­ Bandaran, Majlis Tempatan atau dasar peletok kaki kita, dan bila kaki sudah satu2 parti politik. J adi hal ini tidak terpeletok, terkehel dan patah, kita boleh di-katakan ia-itu kalau Parti sendiri yang menanggong-nya; orang Perikatan itu menang, banyak men­ lain tidak menanggong-nya, Tuan Yang dapat undi atau suara berma'ana di-Pertua. Di-dalam pepatah dart peri­ semua berdiri di-belakang Parti Peri­ bahasa dato' nenek kita sudah tersimpul katan (di-sampok) yang bersetuju dengan sa-dalam2-nya pengertian yang dengan soal Malaysia. Tetapi saya tidak dapat kita abaikan atau kita mengetahui, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ambil pengertian dengan sa-chara sa­ dan sa-bagaimana kita seluroh-nya­ pintas lalu sahaja, Tuan Yang di­ barangkali ahli yang berkata kalah Pertua. Di-iringi pula peribahasa atau tadi juga mengetahui . . . . . pepatah itu dengan kata2, kerana orang 2 Mr Speaker: Saya tidak benarkan tua dahulu ia-itu dato' nenek moyang sa-siapa menyampok. Kalau hendak kita memang sentiasa berpandu dengan menyampok atas perchakapan sa­ peribahasa yang menyelamatkan per­ saorang ahli itu hendak-lah bangun dan jalanan2 mereka, dan juga hingga turun­ sebutkan tentang mana salah-nya temurun kapada anak chuchu-nya mengikut Standing Order, atau hendak sampai kapada kita pada hari ini yang beri keterangan-itu saya benarkan­ harus kita ikut dan harus kita pakai tetapi jangan menyampok. Please supaya kita selamat dalam segala2-nya. proceed. Pepatah itu yang berbunyi; "biar lambat asalkan selamat. Ta'kan lari Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed gunong di-kejar." Sebab-nya maka saya Sidek: . . . dan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkata demikian, Tuan Yang di-Per­ saudara2 saya orang Melayu yang tua, soal Malaysia yang di-perbuat per­ berada dalam Parti Perikatan dalam janjian yang di-tanda-tangani di-London masa pilehan raya mereka pergi ka­ itu ra'ayat di-dalam Tanah Melayu ini kampong, mereka berkata mereka sa-bahagian besar belum mengerti apa bukan dari Parti Perikatan, tetapi yang di-katakan Malaysia, apa isi-nya berubah ia-itu mereka ada-lah dari Malaysia itu dan apa-kah Malaysia UMNO mereka berjuang untok kepen­ itu memberi keuntongan atau kerugian tingan orang Melayu dan kerana kapada anak bangsa dalam negeri ini. itu-lah orang Melayu di-kampong Saya yakin dan perchaya bukan memberikan undi kapada mereka itu, sahaja ra'ayat di-kampong2 bahkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tetapi di-dalam harus di-antara kita dalam Dewan ini Dewan ini mereka tidak mengatakan banyak yang belum faham betul apa mereka dari UMNO untok memper­ isi Malaysia yang: ada pada hari ini. juangkan kepentingan orang Melayu dalam Dewan ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebab-nya Ini sangat-lah mengechiwakan sa-kali saya berkata bagini ia-lah jika ada bagi pengundi2 orang Melayu yang telah di-antara Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dari- memberi keperchayaan penoh kapada 831 13 AUGUST 1963 832 wakiF-nya dudok dalam Dewan ini barat laut Semenanjong Malaya, untok mempetjuangkan nasib dan sementara orang Melayu kebanyakan· kepentingan bangsa Melayu. nya petani dan nelayan dan tinggal di-kampongl. Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Mr Speaker: Itu tidak ada kena­ ada•lab terjemahan daripada buku mengena dengan pindaan ini. Saya yang di•tulis di-Iuar negeri dalam boleh benarkan berchakap atas pindaan bahasa Inggeris dan di-melayukan yang di-hadapan Majlis ini. menyatakan bahawa dalam Malaysia Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed ini pehak saudara2 bangsa asing yang Sidek: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya saya sebutkan tadi itu-lah yang merasa bersangkut-paut dengan pindaan mempunyai pengaroh yang terbesar penanggohan ini, kerana kewaslan dalam segalal•nya, sa-hingga oran~ dalam soal ini, maka saya minta di­ Melayu hanya tinggal di-kampong tanggohkan. di-sabelah timor yang kehidupan-nya sa-bagai petani dan nelayan sahaja. Mr Speaker: Saya tidak nampak. Soal ini ... Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed Encbe' Abdul Rauf bin A. Rahman Sidek: Saya boleh terangkan dengan 2 (Kriab Laut): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lebeh Ianjut, sebab kewas an daripada saya suka menarek perhatian .... pehak kami dalam pembentokan Malaysia ini. Di-sini saya akan mem­ Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed bacha satu berita dalam surat khabar Sidek: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam yang di-tulis oleh wartawan khas, Tuan soal apa? Yang di-Pertua, yang membangkitkan Mr Speaker: On a point of order? kebimbangan bagi pehak kami untok melaksanakan Malaysia itu. Yang Encbe' Abdul Rauf bin A. Rahman: berbunyi: Kaum China dalam Malay­ Peratoran Meshuarat 36 (1). Tuan sia. Yang di-tulis oleh sa-orang Yang di·Pertua, saya suka menarek mahaguru universiti Tokyo negeri perhatian Peratoran Meshuarat 36 (1) Jepun. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyebutkan- bachakan sadikit, kalau tidak akan "Sa-saorang ahli hendak-lah menghadkan mengambil masa yang panjang. Kata­ perchakapan-nya kapada perkara yang di­ nya: Pendudok2 Persekutuan Malaysia binchangkan sahaja dan tidak boleh menge· itu nanti akan berjumlah 9 juta jiwa luarkan apal perkara yang tidak berkait dengan empat persepuloh orangl China dengan perkara yang di-binchangkan itu." saperti yang di-ketahui orang2 China Nampak-nya Yang Berhormat dari ada-lah merupa pendudok Singapura Dungun itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ber­ sa-banyak 80 peratus dan di-sabelah chakap merata2 negeri, barangkali Sabah, Sarawak dan lainl itu. Tuan beliau akan mengira berapa juta ra'ayat Yang di-Pertua, jumlah saudaral negeri lain. Kita sekarang mernbahatb­ bangsa asing itu lebeh daripada orang kan usul pindaan. Sa-patut-nya beliau Melayu. Dan kata-nya lagi: Dalam berchakap sebab-nya dia membang­ wilayah yang tertentu itu orang2 China kang ... memegang peranan penting dalam lapangan politik, ekonomi dan sosial, Mr Speaker: Jangan-lah panjang dan tugas Malaysia nanti ia-lah untok sangat pula (Ketawa). Itu pun meng­ memberi kesanggupan kapada sukul ambil masa. yang berlainan itu untok hidup ber­ Enche' Abdul Rauf bin A. Rahman: sama dalam suasana aman. J adi, Tuan Kalau biarkan barangkali . . . . . Yang di-Pertua, di-sini juga di-katakan di-dalam Malaysia orang2 China telah Mr Speaker: Saya hendak mengi­ menjadi perintis, bukan sahaja mereka ngatkan tolong-lah tumpukan perba­ mengembangkan kawasan-nya sendiri hathan itu atas pindaan yang ada di­ dan berchuchok tanam dalam bidang hadapan Majlis ini. Jangan melarat2 perusahaan malah mereka merupakan jauh. anasir2 yang terkemuka dalam pela­ Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed jaran dan politik. Umum-nya orang Sidek: Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di­ China berpusat bahagian barat dan Pertua. Saya sa-betul-nya hendak

------833 13 AUGUST 1963 834 menjelaskan tentang kewas2an itu, oleh pengundi2 bukan Melayu-ini maka dengan sebab itu-lah kami dalam surat khabar, Tuan Yang di­ meminta di-tanggohkan perkara ini. Pertua, saya fikir chukup-lah dengan kepala berita itu sahaja. Jadi, kebim­ Di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada bangan ini tidak kapada orang2 sadikit lagi di-katakan ia-itu sa-hingga Melayu yang berada di-dalam parti pechah perang dunia yang kedua, PAS sahaja, atau orang2 Melayu di­ Kerajaan Kebangsaan Negeri China 2 2 dalam parti2 lain, malah orang memberikan bantuan kapada sekolah Melayu dalam parti UMNO sendiri China di-saberang laut, dan kata-nya 2 pun berasa bimbang. Dalam surat pada masa itu, orang Melayu telah khabar hari ini pun ada di-terangkan chuba menguasai keutamaan, bukan uchapan Menteri Besar Selangor ten­ sahaja dalam lapangan2 pelajaran tang perkara itu. Dan lagi, Tuan Yang malah juga akan memileh tanah dan di-Pertua, saya merasa kalau sa-kira­ kedudokan 'awam serta tentera. J adi, 2 nya soal2 ini di-bawa kapada ra'ayat, mereka ini berasa was , chemburu dan kalau-lah saudara2 saya dari mahukan hak milek tanah, tentera, 2 pehak orang2 Melayu yang berada di­ kedudokan 'awam dan lain • • • dalam Parti Perikatan pergi ka­ Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Mr kampongi untok menjelaskan kapada Speaker, Sir, on a point Of order, ra'ayat tentang perkara Malaysia itu, 36 (IO) (c). The Honourable Member ia-itu ada-kah Malaysia itu memberi is using words-words which are likely keuntongan kapada mereka a.tau tidak. to promote feelings of ill-will or hosti­ Saya rasa orang2 Melayu yang telah lity between different communities in memberi undi2-nya kapada saudara2 the Federation. saya pehak sa-belah sana, saya per­ chaya mereka tidak akan bersetµju Mr Speaker: Saya ta' benarkan ber· dengan soal ini, dan saya rasa kalau chakap, kalau perchakapan itu boleh perkara ini di-jalankan juga, walau membangkitkan perasaan bersalah fa. pun kita mengagong2kan yang kita ham di-antara satu bangsa dengan satu menjalankan demokrasi dalam tanah bangsa. Saya benarkan oleh sebab yang ayer kita ini, tetapi demokrasi yang Berhormat membacha daripada surat di•jalankan di-negeri ini terhadap khabar yang ada di-situ, tetapi jangan­ ra'ayat di-kampong2 k:has-nya orang2 lah panjangkan lagi ! Kalau membacha Melayu, ada-lah demokrasi kuku besi, itu saya benarkan, jangan bersharah. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Dalam soal ini, Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed saya suka hendak menerangkan kapada Sidek: Saya tidak bersharah, tetapi pehak saudara2 saya ia-itu siapa-kah saya membacha, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. yang telah menanda tangani dalam perjanjian di·London itu sa-bagaimana J adi, daripada apa yang di-sebutkan yang tertulis dalam buku perjanjian itu baihawa Persatuan China sa-Malaya Malaysia ini. atau M.C.A. telah bekerja dalam soal pembebasan yang tidak sa-imbang di­ Saya bachakan, Tuan Yang di­ negeri ini. Ini-lah yang membimbang­ Pertua, ia-itu yang sa-betul-nya ia-lah kan orang2 kita, dan saya meminta . . Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri, tetapi di-sini di-tuliskan: T.A. Mr Speaker: Jangan bersharah ! Rahman, Abdul Razak, Tan Siew Sin, Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed V. T. Sambanthan, Ong Yoke Lin, Sidek: Tidak, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. S.A. Lim ... Jadi, dengan kebimbangan itu-lah ~r~ng2 Melayu. dalam tanah ayer-nya The Prime Minister: Untok pene­ 101 merasa bunbang, maka dengan rangan, ada-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat sebab itu-lah kami meminta penang­ itu berchakap di-atas pindaan ini, atau gohkan ini. berchakap di-atas perbahathan usul ini. Ada satu perkara Iagi yang saya hen­ Mr Speaker: Yang sa-benar-nya dia dak bachakan supaya perkara itu lebeh hanya-lah boleh berchakap atas pin­ nyata dan terang ia-itu UMNO bim­ daan saha ja, dan dia tidak boleh bang pengundi2 Melayu akan di-telan berchakap atas usul asal. 835 13 AUGUST 1963 836 The Prime Minister: Dengan kerana tasi yang pertama telah dapat kita itu saya fikir Ahli Yang Berhormat itu redakan dengan suatu perjumpaan chuma membuang masa sahaja. yang di-buat di-antara Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri dengan Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed Dr Sukarno di-Tokyo yang telah ber­ Sidek: Terima kaseh. Jadi, sa-belum langsong baharu2 ini di-sana, maka saya teruskan uchapan saya, saya suka kita ra'ayat jelata dalam tanah ayer hendak menerangkan tentang was2 itu, kita ini berasa senang hati dengan kerana saya meminta penanggohan harapan bahawa sa-nya confrontasi itu itu ..... tidak akan berlaku lagi, dan perkara Malaysia dan soal Malaysia ini akan Mr Speaker: Saya ingat saya boleh berjalan mengikut jalan2 atau pun per­ benarkan berchakap atas pindaan asal sediaan yang telah di-buat itu. sahaja. Tetapi · nampak-nya oleh kerana Che' Khadijah binti Mohamed terburu2 daripada pehak Yang Teramat Sidek: Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di­ Mulia Perdana Menteri kita pergi ka­ Pertua. Jadi oleh kerana semua orang London di-sana dan membuat satu berasa was2 dan bagi diri saya, atau perjanjian maka timbul-lah pula pun parti saya di-sini meminta supaya konfrantasi yang baharu daripada di-tanggohkan usul ini, kerana saya pehak negara tetangga kita yang ber­ yakin dan perchaya kalau sa-kira-nya kata bahawasa-nya persetujuan yang saudara2 saya dari pehak Perikatan telah di-adakan di-London itu telah yang sentiasa memberi penerangan, menchabulkan persetujuan yang di­ atau meminta undi kapada orang2 kam­ Tokyo itu oleh pehak Yang Teramat pong dengan mengatakan bahawa Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri kita. mereka berjuang banyak untok orang2 Maka berjalan-lah pula konfrantasi Melayu, maka saya berani mengatakan yang baharu-yang kedua hampir2 dan saya chabar untok berbahath membawa negeri kita kapada satu pe­ di-hadapan khalayak orang ramai di­ perangan sejok atau peperangan mana sahaja tentang perkara Malaysia 2 hangat. Ini semua datang-nya di-sebab­ ini, ada-kah orang Melayu itu berse­ kan oleh kerja yang terburu2 yang tuju atau tidak. Sa-takat itu sahaja, telah di-buat oleh Yang Teramat Mulia Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terima kaseh. Perdana Menteri kita. Tetapi alham dulillah sa-telah di-adakan persidangan Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah kemunchak di-Manila di-sana maka (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di­ dapat-lah satu persetujuan yang baharu Pertua, saya berdiri ada-lah menyo­ ia-itu tiga negara ini berchita2 kapada kong pindaan yang telah di-kemuka­ keamanan dan akan bekerjasama di­ kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari antara satu sama lain untok menyele­ Tanjong ia-itu meminta di-tanggohkan saikan segala perkara yang bersangkut persetujuan yang telah di-tanda tangani paut dengan ketiga buah negara di-London itu. Dalam menyokong dengan jalan berunding dan ber­ pindaan ini, saya akan memberikan 2 2 meshuarat. Tetapi sekarang ini ada-lah pendapat dan keterangan yang saya satu keputusan yang telah di-buat pandang mustahak supaya Persekutuan di-persidangan kemunchak di-Manila Malaysia ini di-tanggohkan sa-bagai­ itu ia-itu Setia-usaha Agong bagi mana persetujuan yang telah di-buat Bangsa2 Bersatu atau pun wakil-nya di-London dahulu itu. akan di-undang untok pergi ka­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, timbul-nya Sarawak dan Sabah untok mendapat perkara Malaysia ini ia-lah semenjak dan memereksa sama ada basil pilehan dari akhir tahun 1961 dahulu sa­ raya yang telah di-jalankan di-sana hingga-lah sampai sekarang ini kita mengikut a~oran dan Undang2 yang telah merasa dua confrontasi daripada di-kehendaki oleh Undang2 Pilehan pehak negara tetangga kita, Indonesia, Raya. kerana mereka itu tidak bersetuju Maka sekarang ini kita dapat dengan pembentokan negara baharu k~tahui' daripada keterangan yang telah Malaysia ini, tetapi sa-telah confron- d1-bentangkan oleh Yang Teramat 837 13 AUGUST 1963 838 Mulia Tunku Abdul Rahman kelmarin selesai kerja-nya pada 15 haribulan bahawasa-nya rombongan ini telah tiba September akan datang ini. Oleh sebab di-Singapura dan mereka itu sedang yang demikian maka sangat-lah kena dalam perjalanan-nya menuju ka­ pada tempat-nya dan kena-lah dengan Sabah dan Sarawak untok menjalankan jiwa kita hendak bekerjasama dengan tugas mereka itu supaya dapat-lah kita negara2 tetangga bahawasa-nya kita ketahui sama ada pilehan raya di-sana tanggohkan-lah perkara ini sa-hingga itu atau pungutan suara telah di-jalan­ kita ketahui basil pungutan suara yang kan mengikut Undang2• Kita maseh di-jalankan oleh rombongan tersebut. ingat lagi satu kenyataan yang telah di-buat oleh Yang Teramat Mulia Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerana Tunku Perdana Menteri di-Manila sa­ ada sa-tengah daripada wakil2 party telah selesai persidangan kemunchak Perikatan yang telah membuat tudohan di-sana ia-itu apabila Reporter2 ber­ kapada party Islam sa-Tanah Melayu tanya kapada Yang Teramat Mulia maka terpaksa-lah saya menjawab Tunku, kalau sa-kira-nya pendapatan tudohan2 itu. Pertama-nya wakil dari referendum atau pungutan suara yang Tanah Merah kelmarin telah berkata di-jalankan di-Sarawak dan Sabah sana bahawa PAS ini tidak ada mem­ dapat di-ketahui kebanyakan daripada punyai dasar sadikit pun di-dalam ra'ayat di-sana tidak bersetuju dengan perjuangan-nya, sa-kali dia menolak Malaysia, ini apa-kah fikiran tuan, kemudian dia bersetuju dan sa-terus­ ini-lah soal yang di-tanyakan oleh nya. Saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Reporter2 di-Manila yang di-hadapkan sangat-lah ketahui siapa-kah wakil kapada Tunku sa-bagaimana yang Tanah Merah itu? Ada-kah Yang di-laporkan oleh surat2 khabar. Jadi Berhormat itu mempunyai principle di­ soal ini telah di-jawab oleh Yang Ber­ dalam perjuangan-nya tidak-lah usah hormat Perdana Menteri, kata-nya saya panjangkan kerana tiap2 wakil sa-kira-nya kebanyakan ra'ayat di-dua ra'ayat mengetahui principle-nya. Da­ buah wilayah itu tidak bersetuju hulu dia berjuang dalam party Islam sa­ dengan Malaysia maka kita tidak ada­ Tanah Melayu sekarang melompat pula kan Malaysia kerana kita tidak mahu ka-party lain. Kalau orang ada mem­ memaksa sesiapa pun untok masok punyai principle di-dalam perjuangan­ Malaysia sa-bagaimana kita tidak nya tetap-lah perkara ini tidak mahu memaksa ra'ayat Brunei masok berlaku ... Mfilaysia. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe· Sa-kira-nya kita mempersetujui rang Utara): Yang Berhormat dahulu dengan perjanjian yang telah di-buat pun orang UMNO juga. (Ketawa). oleh Perdana Menteri kita sa-belum kita ketahui basil pungutan suara yang Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: akan di-jalankan oleh wakil2 U Thant Yang Berhormat itu mimpi. di-dua buah wilayah di-sana, ber­ Mr Speaker: Mengikut atoran dan ma'ana-lah kita ini tidak hendak peratoran, jika dia minta jalan, menghiraukan fahaman atau pun per­ Yang Berhormat tidak boleh bercha­ setujuan yang telah di-chapai di­ kap. Jangan di-langsongkan lagi 2 Manila dan kita takut jangan-lah pula (Ketawa). timbul konfrantasi yang ketiga sebab­ nya kerana kita terburu2 mempersetuju­ Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: kan perjanjian yang ada di-hadapan Di-dalam pendirian saya, saya suka-lah kita ini. Maka ini-lah sebab-nya kami menegaskan bahawasa-nya Party Islam daripada Party Pembangkang meminta sa-Tanah Melayu di-dalam perjuangan­ kapada Kerajaan supaya di-tanggohkan nya ada mempunyai satu pendirian dan tanggohan ini tidak-lah akan yang chukup jelas dan terang. Pendirian memakan masa yang panjang kerana Persatuan Islam sa-Tanah Melayu di­ mengikut report di-dalam surat kJhabar dalam perjuangan-nya ada-lah hendak bahawasa-nya pungutan suara yang membela bangsa dan menyelamatkan akan di-jalankan oleh U Thant atau tanah ayer Melayu bukan-lah sa-bagai­ wakil2 rombongan-nya di-sana akan mana wakil2 Perikatan yang telah 839 13 AUGUST 1963 840 mengkhianatkan hak orang Melayu dan Yang Berhormat dalam Majlis ini ber­ menjual negara mereka itu kapada chak:ap hendak membawa perasaan bangsa asing. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, salah faham atau permusohan antara izinkan saya membacha sadikit laporan satu bangsa dengan satu bangsa. Saya News Week, July 22, 1963 .... boleh tahan kapada sa-siapa juga yang berchakap bagitu. Mr Speaker: Saya chuma benarbn Yang Berhormat bacha. Saya tidak Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: hendak Yang Berhormat bersharah. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak-lah kalau bacba saya benarkan kerana itu berniat hendak menyakiti sa-siapa juga tidak ada bersangkut dengan pindaan di-dalam Rumah ini, chuma penera­ ini. ngan saya ia-lah untok menyatakan Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: kedudokan yang sa-benar-nya dan hak. Muka 52 keluaran 22hb July, 1963 Tuan Yang di-Pertua. kita maseh ingat American Magazine, kata-nya di-sini: lagi di-atas soal yang saya hadapkan "With ten million peoples ... kelmarin kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertahanan, berapa-kah dari­ Mr Speaker: Bachakan sahaja pada 39 orang pilot bagi angkatan (Ketawa). udara Tanah Melayu ini yang terkan­ dong daripada orang2 Melayu? Jawab­ Toan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: nya kita telah dengar bahawa yang Ini-lah pendudok Malaysia apabila Kerajaan Perikatan tidak menjadikan terchantum dengan negara yang baharu policy-nya orang2 Melayu itu di-berikan itu ia-itu pendudok yang 10 million keutamaan ... itu terbahagi kapada 4 juta tiga ratus ribu orang China dan 4 juta sahaja Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' orang Melayu dan satu juta lebeh Hussain: Tidak betul, yang saya kata­ orang India, dan lain2 lagi terkandong­ kan bukan policy, yang saya katakan lah daripada orang2 Dayak dan lain2 ia-lah tidak boleh membeza2kan ra'ayat lagi. Daripada kenyataan itu, dapat-lah negeri ini dan lain2 bangsa, tetapi pada kita menget~hui bahawa deng~n. terdiri­ policy-nya saya katakan hendak mem­ nya Malaysia pada 31 hb m1 ·orang beri tempat2 yang sempurna kapada Melayu sendiri akan tenggelam dalam tentera2 Persekutuan bagi orang2 tanah ayer-nya, dan itu dapat-lah kita Melayu. faham bahawa Perikatan telah menjual negeri ini ... Mr Speaker: Saya hendak menerang­ The Assistant MinWer of Labour kan, bagaimana perkara itu boleh ber­ bangkit (Ketawa). Saya tidak nampak and Social Welfare (Enche' V. Manic­ ada berkait dengan pindaan yang ada kavasagam): Mr Speaker. Sir, on a di-hadapan kita ini. Jika tidak ada point of order-Standing Order kait mengait dengan pindaan ini saya 36 (10) (c). The Honourable Member is again using words which are likely to boleh berhentikan tuan daripada ber­ promote feelings of ill-will between chakap. different communities iQ the Federation. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Mr Speaker: Standing Order Tadi. saya telah terangkan satu per­ 36 (10) (c)? satu sebab2-nya Party Islam sa-Tanah Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Yes, Melayu telah menyokong Usul supaya Sir. It says: "It shall be out of order di-tanggohkan. Oleh kerana dua tiga to use words which are likely to orang puak: Perikatan telah menchabar promote feelings of ill-will or hostility pendirian PAS maka terpaksa-lah saya between different communities in the menjawab chabaran mereka. Tuan Federation." Yang di-Pertua, oleh sebab keterangan2 yang saya telah kemukakan tadi telah Mr Speaker: Saya hendak mengi­ menjadikan dasar bagi PAS untok ngatkan, ini ada satu pandangan di­ membantah dan mengadakan apa2 juga buat mengikut Standing Order ia-itu perkara yang di-pandang akan dapat ada-lah menjadi salah kapada Ahli2 menyelamatkan tanah ayer kita dan

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