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Foartb Series Vol. XLII-No. 3 Wednesday, Jaly 29, 1970 Sravana 7, 1892 {Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES

( Eleventh Session)

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(Vol. XLII contains Nos. 1-10)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI

Price: .Re. 1.00 CONTENTS No. 3, Wednesday July 29, 1970/Sravana 7, 1892 (Saka). CoLUMNS Obituary Reference 1-7 Oral Answers to Questions- ·Starred Questions Nos. 61 7-27 Short Notice Question No. 1 28~33 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 62 to 90 33-57 Unstarred Questions Nus. 401 to 40 ,407,408,410, 411, 413 to 460, 462 to 496 499 to 520, 5'<2 to 531 and 533 to 600. 57-216 Statement correcting answer to USQ No. 8777 dated the 6th May, 1970. 216--17 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Anti-Indian Demonstrations in Saigon 217-240 Papers Laid on the Table 240--45 Direction by Speaker Under Rules of Procedure 245 Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions- Sixty-fourth Report 245

Statement reo Strike 011 tile South Eastern and North Eastern Railways Shri Nanda 246 Business Advisory Committee- Fifty-first Report 246 Motion of No-Confidence in the Council of Ministers 246-380 Shri M. Muhammad Ismail 248-53 Dr. Govind Vas 233-58 Shri Sezhiyan 258-64 Shri S.A. Dange 265-76 Shri M.V. Krishnappa 276-81 Shri A.K. Gopalan ... 281-89 ·The sign +marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii)

COLUMNS Shri K. Hanumanthaiya 289-97 Shri Surendranath Dwivedy 297-306 Dr. Karni Singh 307-11 Shri D. N. Tiwary 311-19 Shri Asoka Mehta 319-25 Shri Piloo Mody 325-31 Shri Randhir Singh 331-31 Shri M. L. Sondhi 331-44 Shri P. Ramamurti 344--41 Shri Vasudevan Nair 347-51 Shrimati 35\-65 Shri Madhu Limaye 365-80 Statement reo Dr. Dharma Teja 380-81 Shri Raghu Ramaialt 381-82 i..OK SABHA DEBATES 2 ---.- -- . __- - ---·---�-..:.._--·-----:----

LOK SABHA a sturdy fighter. He had a Iona life which was full of areal a�hicvcmonts. Ho was one of the founders of the Wednesday, July 29, 1970/Sravana 7, State Congress in Travancore. Ho 1892 (Saka) moulded the public life of Ke rala and dominated it for several decades. It ,vu only to be expected that he should be chosen to the Constituent Assembly which The Lok Sabha met at Elevrn drafted the nation's political charter. You of the clock. have referred to Shri lhanu Pillai's work u Chief Minister of and u Governor of Punjab and Andhra Pradesh. I have [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] known Shri 1 hanu Pillai for many years. I wu struck by bis alert mind, his wide interests, his sturdy op1imi1m and his lively 081 fUARY REFERENCE sense of humour and also by his Intense concern for the common people and for MR. SPEAKER : I have to inform the problems of Kerala. We Jose a 1talwart the House of the sad demise of Shri Pattom and our deep sympathies 10 out Mn. A. Thanu Pillai who passed away at 1 hanu Pillai and other membcn or tho Trivandrum on 26th July, 1970 at the age family. I request you to convey our condo­ of 8S. lences and sympathy to the bereaved family.

Sbri Thanu Pillai was a Member of the DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH (Buur) Constituent Assembly durin1 the yean On behalf of the Opposition I join you, 1948-SO. He was one of the prominent Mr. Speaker in mournina the death of figures in The Kerala politics and had been , ano1her great wn of , Mr. Thanu the Chief Minister of the erstwhile Stale or Travancore and later of Kerala. He had Pillai "ho dominated the life of our country so far. 1 bouah be belon1ed to the PSP, J also been tho Governor of Punjab and had seen him c,orryin11 the a1hca of Andhra Pradesh, He was a scholar, an to Kanya Kumari on hl1 administrator with toide knowled1e and death and over a million people followln1 information on international affairs. him in payin1 tribute to the Father of the nation. As Chief Minister of Kerala he We deeply mourn the loss of this rriend commanded the confidence of the people, and I am sure the Houae will join me in He allO pve that State new idcu and a conveyin1 our condolence, to the bereaved 100d administration. Al Governor of ramily. Punjab and Andhra Pradesh tboae who knew him know tohat the condition of THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER Raj Bhawan wu at that time, I do not uy OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF that there baa been any deterioration. But HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF everybody could sec Mr Thanu Pillal'1 PLANNIG (SHRIMATI INDIRA work aa Governor of Punjab and allO or GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker, I share the Andhra Pradesh. He waa 10 regular In ,en1imcn11 tohicb ,·ou have juat eaprcsaed bis life. Ho wu 60 experienced and ftll rt'prdin1 Sbri Thanu Pillai. Shri Pattom versed wirb Indian politiCI and alao world Thanu Pillal wu a man or the maua and polliica ; all lntor11111tlon wa, at hi1 lln1111 3 Oblluary Reference JULY 29, 1970 Obituary Reference 4 tips and he could say who was what in Minister and other hon. colleagt:es. Mr. what Pradesh politics. A man of that type Pattom Thanu Pillai was a colourful figure comes seldom. He has passed away. We in Indian politics. He played a very are sorry that for two or three days it was dominant role in the States people's not possible for us to pay him our tribute. struggle against the princely order He also tried to end the tyranny of the under the British, and in tbat strug- Congress party; at that time we were in gle be eminently succeeded by seeing to the Ccngress. He had the courage to leave the lib:ration. and unification of tbe the Congress and join the other parties to .speaking people into one united correct the Congress. For all these qualities Kerala there. I pay tribute to his memory on behalf of the opposil ion and request you to convey I wish to convey, on behalf of mv our condolences to tbe members of the party, our sincere condolences to the menl'o bereaved family. bers of the bereaved famity.

SHRI LOBO PRABHU (Udipi): SHRI lJMANATH (Pudukkotlai) : I associate the Swatantra Party with the associate myself and my party with tbe sentimenls exprrssed by hon. Members sentiments expressed here and I request you who preceded me. Since tbe bells was to convey our condolences to the bcraved tolling for 50 many legislators, 1 wish that family. tbe House should join in a prayer for a kinder d isposilion of fate. >.iff ~ ~ ~ : m"m ~

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[Shri p. Viswambharan] leaders. The stalwart leaders for 12 year I belong to a generation in my part of in the incessant polilical struggle in the the country which was inspired to plunge State of Travancore became the hero of the into the freedom struggle by the dedicated nation, of the State and of the people and leadership of Shri Pattom Thanu PiliaL and became a first class top-ranking leader. I had the good forlune to be one of his His unbending nature, honesty and inte- clo,e associates for about a quarter of a grity are some of the things known to every cenlury In those days, when princely aUlo- body. No leader however tall, including cracy outbid British tyranny in trying 10 the tallest in the country, used to talk ,uppress the popular movement, it was Shri to him In an off hand manner aDd he was Thanu pillai who along wilh the olher two highly respected. I I was our misfortune later lamented leaders, Shri T. M. Verghese than during Ihe first period of the and Shri G. Kesavan, rallied Ihe people of indepenence of Travanrore and of India, then Travancore Slale to join the main- he could not continue as Chief Minister stream of the national movement for for even ten months. From then on the freedom. evils of Kerala started. Insecurity and instability started from then on_ Afler trying on several occasions through He led the movement to success in the several parties 10 steady the political set-up State. He was a fearless fighter and a leader in Kerala, he left the stage and became of extraordinary courage and great under Governor. standing, who never retraced his steps in the feee of heavy odds. India has losl one of ber noblest sons and on behalf of ",yself and my Group I Shri Thanu Pillai was Ihe resident of the reque,t you to convey our sympathies Travancore State Congre,s for 12 years to the bereaved family. and the Chai,man of the State prajl Socia· list party for nearly 10 years. He was one of the top leaders of the All India Slate SHRI VASUDEVEAN NAIR (Peer- People's Conference. made; Sir, in the de ].ise of Pattom Thanu Pilla i_ the country ha. 108t one of her illustrious .ons and the State of Kerala has He had the unique distinction of lead- lost irs elder statesman. When people of ing a party majorty Goverment in Travan- my generation weT< Doly of the school- core a minorilY Goverment in ~ going 8ge, even at that time Thanu Pillai Cochin and afler that a coalition Government was a towrring persollalily in the political in Kcrala, and sub,equrnlly, of holding Ihe sence of our State. In that way, wo have gubernatoriai office in two Slates; namely seen him fighting ag.linst Ihe dc'potic Punj.b and Andhra Pradesh. He was one princely regine in the old State of Travan- of the ablest administrators of India. core. All hi. achievements have been rela'ed bere by my boo. friend., I should Sir, I request you, on behalf of my like to. associate myself aDd my party party, to convey the eondolences of our witb the sentim.nt. expressed by you as party also to the bereaved family. well as the Leader of the House and the leaders of the various parties in tbis SHRJ N. SREEKANTAN NAIR House. (Quilon) ; Mr. Speakar. Sir. it is with a deep sense of regret that I join the senti- SHRI A. SREEDHARAN (Badagara) ; ments expressed by the Prime Minister and Sir, the passing away of the Shri Pattom otber speakers. During the 12 years of pol- Thanu Pillai the end of an epoch generally tical campaign and struggle in Travancore, in India and particularly In Kerala. He be- I ",as one of his very intimate colleague., loolled to that generation of ~ who and the trials and tribulations that we were Incorruptible, who loved this country went Ib rough cannot he conceIved of by more than anything else and also who were the people in British Indira Shri Thanu prepared to sacrifice anytbins for the cause Pillal was a proud, honest and COUrBSes of India. I had the good fortune to work 7 Obllutl', &/e,ence JULY 29, 1970 8

IIIIder him ror ton lonl years as Secretary ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTION of the party over which he Presided. He had the unique distinction oC being the ChieC Minister oC three States. He was first Mass Exodus of Minority Commaolty the Primo Minister oC Travancore. Tben from East Pakistan he was Chief Minister of Travancoro·Cochin. Finally he became Chief Minister of Kerala. His record of services, his integrity *61. SHRf SHRI CHAND+ GOYAL: and honeaty have left unforgeltabl e foot· SHR! BAL RAJ M'\DHOK prints on the sands or time. Wbicb paying SHRI SAMAR GUHA : my humble bomage to his hallowed memory SHRI RAB! RAY: I aSBociate myself witb tbe sentiments SHRI YAJNA DATT SHARMA expressed by the leaders of various parties over hi. deatb. Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL SHRf M. MOHAMMAD ISMAIL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (Manjeri): Sir. tbe late Mr. Pattom Tbanu Pillai possessed a dynamic and dis. the number of people of the tinguished personality. He was one of the minority community who have come from Coremost figures in tbe struggle for freedom East Pakistan in the year 1970 as also in of tbe country. He was a great scholar. 1969; At tbe Bame time, be had a fund of humour and capacity to tolerate the view of others. His departure from our midst is really a (b) the reasons for this rxodu,; 101. not only to Kerala but to the whole country, because he was an outstandinl (c) whether Government took up this example of what a gentleman should be. I matter with PakistaD; and associate myself with the sentiments expressed by all the previous speakers, by you and by the Leader (dl if so, with what result? of the house. I request you to convey tbe condolences of myself and my party, THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL tbe Muslim League, to the members of tbe AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): bereaved family. (al 9768 persons belonging to the minority community came over from Ba.t Pakistan to India iD 1969. Durinll the current year ~ ~~~ ~ (iJ'1Tf'«f): 1,4S,S!lS sucb persons came over up to ~ .,.ft ~ ~ if f.:rq;:r ~ ~~ 17-7-70. ~ ~ ~ ~ ;r.r t:!;;r. ~ ~ (b) the exodus is takiDS place on ~ ~~~ ~ ~ ($IT ora'l'lf IT1:O' I account of • number of reasons includiDI ~ ;;fIqor ~ .r.r if I;;(t:!; ~ m insecure conditions of living, economic distress and discriminatory treatment meted I ~ ~~ ~ W it f.Nor q<: wA ;::;;(' out 10 the minority communities in East lI>'T ~ ~ ¢";::;r. WT!!i ~ if'W ~ ~ Pakistan, The siluatioo has been worsened by tbe propaganda carried out by communal ~ qro'l' ~ ~ II parties during Ihe currenl election campa. iln. MR. SPEAKER: As a mark of respect to the memory of tbe departed leader, the House may Btand in silence for a short (c) Yes, Sir, wbile. (d) So far tbe Government of Pakistan The ~ then stood In .lIence lor have not taken any effective Iteps to stop o shotr while. Ihi. exodus by providing ecurity of life. 9 Oral Answers SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) Oral A"swefl 10

property etc. to their minorities. However, SHR[ SHRI CHAND GOYAL : I we are continuing to press that Government would have finished by now had I not to fulfil their obligations towards their been interrupted. In this baCkground consl. minorities in this respect un.1er the Nehru dering the large·scale ienocide in' which Liaquat Pact of 1950 and Tashkent Declara. 50000 Hindus were murdered' in 1950 and tion of 1966. again anotber 30,000 were murdered in 1964 on the Question of the sacred hair of SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL : ~ tbe Prophet, I wish to know whether the being a question of national imporlance government recognises its moral and legal and also a question of sentiment with me duty to protect the honour and properties because the founder President of my party of the Hindus who were left behind in resignej his seat from the Nehru Cabinet Pakistan. as also its responsibility to settle on tbe Question of the fate of the minori· those who have ('orne from that side ? In ties in Pakistan, I would like to give a view of that I would like to know as to little background of the situation existing what long·and short-term measures the before partition, in a couple of minutes. Government has adopted to sell Ie those wbo have come over this side and what it has done to protect the liCe and honour oC SHRI S. M. Ill'. NERJEE : We are those who have been left there; also, whe· having a ~ on this subject ther the Government would like to take up tomorrow. the demand which had been made by Sardar Patel for demanding territory from Pakistan MR. SPEAKER: I wculd request him so that ti10se people could be seUled tbereon to put a supplemenlary question without otherwise, their coming over bere would any preface or long inlroduclion. We are ,hatter all OUr economic plans. already going to hal'e a dehate on it.

SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: At the SHRI SWARAN SINGH : The real time of the partition of the country a responsibility for thd protection of minori· sizable number of mmorities were left on ties in ~ counlry. according to the both sides. There were about 15 million to well·known conventions and also under the 20 million Hindus in Pakistan and about specific agreements, is upon the country 30 million to 35 million Muslims in our concerned. We are responsible Cor tbe country. Although the demand of Mr. protection oC minorities in our country and Jinnab and Dr. Ambedkar for the exchange the Pakistan Government is responsible Cor of population was not accepled at that the protection of minorities in that country. time, the two governmenls undertook to This is not only the ~ inter· protect the minorities in their countries. national law and convention, which should Considering this huge exodus of Hindus to be followed by ail countries, but this was India it is apparent that Pakistan has failed really clothed in the form of a solemn and to do its duty. According to our calculation formal agreement. There is no doubt that the population oC Hindus in Pakistan ought in this respect the Pakistan Government to have been 25 millions. But it is only 9 signally failed to d iscbarge their responsi· millions now. So far as Muslims in India bility of providing pro tection to the are concerned, the population has riscn minorities whicb has resulted in tbis conti· from 35 million to SO million in 1961 and it nuoUS migration to tbis country. Just as we is likely to be 60 million in tbe census of have taken this responsibililY upon ourselves. 1971. It is a clear indication tbat the Pakistan Government have also taken this Pakistan Government bas been following a responsibility upon themselves. The best policy oC squeeze out, a policy of extermi· way in whicb we can acbieve tbis objective nation by creatiDIL a sense oC terror and is to impress upon tbe Pakistan Government by dishonourJng tbe women folk ... to discharge their responsibility.

MR. SPEAKER : I have requested him So far as tbe question oC settlement oC to ask a Question witho.!t giving any back· those unCortunate people, wbo bave come ground. over to tbis side, is concerned, It 18 a very 11 Ora/ AnlWtrs JULY 29, 1970 Oral ~ 12 difficult problem. Wo have 80t OUf own and impolitic to make sitch a demand as problems, but my colleague; the Minister asking for some territory. This will accen- of Rehabilitation, .will answer an y specific tuate the problem even more. I would points in that connection that are made to appeal to the hon. Members not to raise him. However, we are taking steps ...... something which is so unpractical, SO (Interruption). On the Question or resettle· unreal and so impolitic. ment, it is a very painful duty, but we have to discharge that responsibility and we are SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: doing that to the best of our capacity. would like to know whether the Govern. ment's attention has been drawn to the I think, it will be very unwise for us to advertisements appearing in the New York raise such a question as asking for territory Times quoting the speeches of tbe Prime because this will accentuate the tense Minister and the Home Minister to the relationship between the two countries and effect that there is genocide of Muslims in instead of giving any solution to the India ...... problem will worsen it. It is both imprac- tical and impolitic. I would appeal to the MR. SPEAKER: That is not relevant hon. Member not to be carried away by hare. emotion in this re!pect. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: .. and SHRI SAMAR GUHA You ask us if so, what steps have the Gnvernment not to be carried a way by emotion when taken to gear up its external propaganda 60 lakhs oC people have come over from machinery to mobilise world pUblic that side and thousands have died there. opinion against the genocide of Hindus You are a heartless and cruel set oC people. in Pak istan ... _.. Better, you arouse your emotion. You talk oC emotion? You have left the people Ihere MR. SPEAKER: You should he lot and you advise us not to be carried relevant to the question. (lnferruplion) away by emotion. Don't shout please. The ~ asked is about the number of people of the minority community who have come from SHRI SWARAN SINGH: If these strong adjectives can salisfy his conscience E8S1 ~ to India. You relate your and the unfortunate people, I do not s"t'plemcntaTY to this. srudge these adjoctives. He can use even more oC them. \\'e are accustollled 10 hear SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: This such things Crom the hon. Member ...... ari,es out of the main Question. Other- (Interruption). wise, there will be no purpose and no fun in as king supplement aries. The above SHRI SA,MAR GUHA: You arc suppicmentaries do arise out of the main criminals. You divided the country. You Question. Since we are being dishonoured have forgotlen all Ibe commitments that in Ihe enlire world I would like to know all your national leaders, Jawabar Lal what has Ihe Govemment done to gear up its Nehru, Sardar Palel etc., made in 1947 at external propagada maChinery to mobilise 12 O'Clock in the night at the lime of the world public opinion against tbe geno- partition. cide 01 Hindus laking place in Pakistan. I would also like to know whether tbe Government will take up this matter be- MR. SPEA KER : If the House agrees, fore the UNO or Other international we may bave bim demonstrate for a Cew forums as it was done up by the minutes; then, we will resume our work refugees, coming from Arab countries and He may now demonstrate his feelings but who were successful in gelting tbe aid of he shnuld not interrupt the proceedings. tbe UNO.

SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I hJve no SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I am not doubt in my mind that it is both uDwise sure what the Arab refuaces about whom jj Oral Answers SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKAl O,al Answrs 14

the hon. Mtmbcr made a reference got ~ ~ ~ onfuf

~ ~~ ~~ : il... T i:fft l1Q:TG."lI' it Of;QT ~ fifi ll'i'[ ~~ l1Tlfm ~ ~ i'[q SflRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: They arc coming any way.

that in this respect, tbat is, about informinl iI' ~ if ~ ~ cn·q4i(5ii..,i ~ ~ otber countries and Governments about the facts of the situation, we bave not left any ~ ~~ ~~~ source or any effort untapped. I don't ~ ;oft ~ ~ ;mll' fiI;it ~ p ~ • ;mll' agree that closing of our Higb Commissi- ~ ~ ~ ~ oner's or Deputy Higb Commissioner's IJlfT qn: IJlfT it m office will serve any purpose. ~ ?

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I say, only IJlfT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ withdraw: it is not a question of closing. a flli ~ P ijlfi it ~ l!iT ~ SHRI S:WARAN SINGH : It is a ~ i'f{l' ~ ~ ~~~ m- ~ mailer in which we ~ try to continue ~ fcro;: ~ if;;r;{iffi (j1il1: rn ~ ~~ to give wbatevtr little belp we can to these 'flIT ~ ~ unfortunate people and it will be unwise lIiTiift 4;:;;p;ff, for us to close these cbannels. ~ am ~~ ~ if ~ CR"l'- m'iil ~ ~ ifu SI1iJ Of course, I sllare tbe concern, I share ;;ro ~ ..-W;;ril- a.r ~ ~~ I the distress expressed by the bon. Member; and I bave every sympathy for those refugees. But we should also very carefully .n m ~ : ~ ~ miff lIiT ~ consider as to wbat is the best way of ~ f'lillT I bringing solace to those people without a snapping the ties. Will these points suggested by the han. Member really belp ,,' ~ nf: ~ Iffift miff them? I am very clear these will not help if)..-,. ~ I them.

~ ~ Wl1: q';;mr,. ~ aT SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Your attitude .n : is to fall at the reet of the Pindi Govern- ~ ~ ~ ~~~ it ~ ~ I '"If ment. Tbat is the only attitude of the ~ ~ q';;mr,. ~ I . .mrn ~~ lIf;J)q':mrm, ~ SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : When tbe ~~~ I Prime Minister visited Calcutta, why did sbe not visit t hose areas? He had asked a ~ "'": ~ 'IlTmif !t specific question whicb you bave not ,,' 1fi)f answered. ~ "f(Y ~ , ~ ~ l!iT m ~ l!iT ~ ~ , ~ if lIi{f '11m ~ "q: IIi¥T ~~~~ ~ qn: q';JfT1fi if lIi{f ~ t "'" ~ ~ ~ ItiT 6Il'Pr if ~ ~ ~ ~ , 19 O,a/ AluWtrs JUt'V 29; 1970 20

SHRI SWARAN SINGH: The first sure whetber just advertisements or the like question that he asked was ahout the steps .... ould help; these are really a crude form ihat had been ~ to protect the person of putting across one's viewpoint. This is a and T'Toperty of the minorities in Pakistan. very crude way and it does not cut any ice I have made the position Quite clear. So whatsoever. far as the minorities in either country are concerned, it will be wrong for either These were the only two points that be country to imagine that thev can provide had raised, and I have answered them. protrction 10 the minmities in the olher country. That is the l-asic point ... SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : He has not answered the Question. The question ~ V1m' ~ it ~ ~ was about the publicity material and the "fTfiCIT ~ I it ~ ~ 'iTfiCIT ~ f"" propaganda material. Is tne bon. Minister prepared to lay on the Table of tbe House Ifln ~ ~ ~~ I itil ~ SI"Q;r ~ the publicity material tbat has been supplied ~ 9;lR: ~ ~ ~ 'l;fT'l' ~ f

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA Can ~ tin'" ~ : ~ '1ft ~ sn;; he talk anything absurd 1 'liT ~ a1 l1i1T ~ ~ I SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH : They can talk anything but relevant. SHRI SWARAN SINGH It is incorrect to say t hat we have made any ~ ~ ~ 9;I';rcr"" ~ 'firi:- statements which can be exploited by '1' : others. ~ 'fiT ~ ~ ~ W'f n ~~ ?

SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : I ~ SHRI SWARAN SINGH: No country yesterday. can take effective steps in another country to protect their person and property except to SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I do not remind that Government of their respon- know what he quoted. He might. sibility. This is what has been done from have Quoted sometbinll out of context time to time in the various pacts such as (Shrl Bal Raj Madhokl : Here it is. If the Nehru-Liaquat Pact, the Mirza·Pant the reference is to those statements marne Pact and even the Tashkent Declaration. by the Prime Minister and the Hoties and this responsibility on either side has Minister assuring security to our minorities been clarified in these pact •. and if they are used anywhere else, I thi"k instead of criticising, we should rather be The second question was about the happy tbat tbere are people in this country step. that we should take to build inter· who can openly come forward to protect the national opinion. As I have said already, minorities. Our regret is tbat that there aie we have kept all interested Governments. not more such people in tbe other country Governments who we think can have some wbo can be quoted aa standinll for the effective say, fully informed. But I am not protection of minorities. If Sbri Madhok is 21 SRWANA " 1892 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 interested, I wiJl not take the time of the ~ ~ ~ I it ;;rf'ififT :qr::;J[ ~ fifO ~ House but will show him several statements wbere the Pakistan propaganda machine has fcrhr ll'iT writ ~~ ~~ lflfT iii ~ utilised his statements against India. lfil1T Ifli\' ~ SHRI SAL RAJ MAD:JOK ~ will ~ iiTlCf[ ~ ~ q-To ~ it ~ never. It is the Prime Minister's statements whicb have been so quoted. She should be ~~ it; ~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I more careful. iiTiiT ~ 'til ~ ij- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR eHA TTER- Cffuwije i{ Ji: I concede that we, Bengalis, are an ~ it; ~ sr'li1imT ~ iiT[ ~ t emotional people, I also ooncede that iflfr ~ ~ fifO '+i'rT ~ ~ Pakistan Is an independent country and it at ii, tberefore, very ~ to put any kind 'Tf t I it Jl'TififT :qrjf(fT t fifO {if ~~ of pressure that may embitter our relation- 8~ ~ ifl:rlfT ~ lI'lflf(f ~ ~ ship. But I .... 111 ask a limple queltlon. If t this exodus continues perpetually, the entire rm ~ "'" m 1If'( ~ t ? economy of West Benllal will be broken to pieces. It is not a question oi mere rehabi- SHRI SWAIlAN SINGH I The buret litation. It is a question of the entire that were given and the reasons that wore economy of We&! Bengal being .h.lIerd. adduced by the Eltternal Affairs Minister, So if by any process of diplomatic pressure Shri Dincsh Singh, in the UN were correct. nothing can be done to stop this I'erpetual The reasons he gave and the analysis of exodus, what will be the fate of West the situltion he presented to the UN repre- Bengal? sent the attitude of Government in this respect. The hon. Minister says that It was SHRI SWARAN SINGH: (I) We mentioned in the UN ; still he ~ we sbould continue to ensure that this migra- are not doing anythin\l to apprise the world tion stops (2) This should not be a bu rden about the correct state of affairs. I thoullht on West Bengal only, but the entire country the statement by the Foreign Minister of should share it and (3) The unfortunate a country in the UN was the best way of ~ who have moved out have to be apprising the internation.1 community about rehabililated in India with the co· operation the true state of affairs. It will be wrong and help of all the States, and incorrect to suggest that we are silent about this. We are not only bilaterally taking it up but are also keeping other -n ~~ ~ : ~ ~ If''iT countries fully informed. We are consioU! ~ ~ ;;IT ~ ~~ ~ ~~ of the great responsibility tbat devolves on lIll it it us; we are also very much aware of tbe ~ <\fflllc+i craft T ~ fif;l:rr '!JT I great misfortune of these unfortunate people. ~ ~ 'iT fit; ~ ..rn ~~ ~~~~ ~ ~~~~ We will do everytbing that is possible 'r ~ fiR ~ ij- ~ r ;;r;r. to proceed on the lilies which are indicated in the reply to the question. ~~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ -n ~~ ..-mt"t : iro ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~ ~ I ;;ft ifTT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ IlIh: ~ ~ ~

~ it ~~ ~ ~ ~ I 'llTW ~ matter-Government are going 10 do anytbing immediately, so that at ieast some ~ ~ ~ mrr:r-il' 'fiT fqiN ~ m<: money is granted to Ibe refugees and they qq;ff q)<: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ <:Iif.l' 'are rehabilitated properly.

~ ~ W 'fi[1iifTi?T 'fi<: <:€T t-it ~ SHRI SWARAN SINGH :"'e have ~ 'fiT ~ ~ ~ I been taking UP this matter witb Pakistan, bul I would [lot like strike a very optimistic note by saying tbat we have SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I do not succeeded in ~ them to accept think tbal ~ money on advertise- tbeir direct responsibility in tbis respect, ments will be tbe correct way of approach- but we have to C8ntinue this effort. ina tbis. Althougb tbere is some decrease in tbe daily rate of the number of persons who DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: Will crossed over to West Bengal of late, tbis the Prime Minister go to Islamabad to may be due to climatic reasons, rain etc. impress upon the President of Pakistan the I do not live any credit to the Goveroment untold miseries of tbele unfortunate Paksi- of Pakistan for taking effective atep. for tani nationals wbo bave come over to India stoppina tbis. But I would aaain appeal and request bim to take penonal interest in to tbe bon. Members. I can understand the matter and see that tbey are resettled tbeir sense of disappointment to the in their own bomes and beartbs. response that we migbt IIct from Pakistan, but when you think over this calmly, there is no other way. You may build up SHRI SWARAN SINGH: We fully propaganda offensives, you may use counter realise the gravity of the situation and I adjectives, you may do anything really to have already sent at a ~ level a bring a bad name 10 that Government message to the Pakistar,i Mini,tcr who is in but that does nOI help the refugc"s. That' cbarge of law and order. I have requested is the essential point Ihat we have to bear bim to take special measures and personal in mind. And howesoever frustrating interest to ensure stoppage of tbe move- may be the experience, there is no other ment of refugees. way except to continue to take up this matter wilh the Government concerned. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: AI Sardar Swaran Sinsb says Government SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Is tbe haa been continuously pressurising Pakistan Minister aware of the fact, as we being near for tbe amelioration of the difficulties the border know, that tbe overwhelming of the refugees, and I bope, as Sardar majorilY of these refugees are coming from Swaran Singh said, it must be a very good three districts, ~ Kbulna and pressure, but I would like to know from Faridpur. and does he know that they the Minisler how far his pressure bas are mainly people overwheiminllly drawn wOlked so far and the latesl reaclion of Ihe from the poorest sections of tbe Scbeduled Government of Pakistan to the pressure Castes, landless agricultural labourers and wbich Sardar Swaran Singb bas brollghl on poor peasants, who, politically speaking, on Ihe Pakistan Government, whether are ~ to be supporters of .. inftux of refugees bas been reduced Mr. Majibur Rabmm's party ond otber afler tbe pressure or it has increased. parties wbicb are fiabtiDl In tbe election against tbe Pindi dictatorsbip? I ask thi; question because I sbould like to know Secondly, as the bon. Monister has from the hon. Minister tbat in view of the said, il is a burden for the whole coulllry, obvious political developments and fcelinls not only for Benaal. Therefore, I would wbich have ~ tbere- tbere is like 10 know from the hon. Minister also statement to that effect, for example ",hetber-you know Ihe Congress by Mr. Trilokanatb Cbakravarty, an old Prlllident Sbri Jaajivan Ram bas already revolulionary who spent half is life In jail appointod. coommittec 10 look into tb= and who il vilitiDa our couDtry DOW, who 25 Oral Am ..... r. SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAJ'A) ~ 26 has made so any Sialements from wbich SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: The it is clear tb at lIle common people of East ~ should give us protection. The Pa kistan a re not Interested in communal Minister i, all the time giviog us cock trou ble but tbey want to orgnise a and bull .tories. We want him to tell democratic movement for their own rigbts us whether the intelligence sources of the against Yabya Khans's Government. In Exteroal Affairs Ministry bad cautioned view of Ibis, bow is it tbat our Deputy the Rehabilitation Ministry tbat tbeir would Higb Commisioner's office in East be an exodus and if so wbea was tbat Pak iatan was apparently so unaware of caution given first? We want to know tbat. tbEse devealpmenls tbat tbey could not send any prior information on tbe basis SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I have laid of which the Government could anticipate that tbis movemeot has tnken place over when tbe first trickle or refugees began the last six months or seven montbs than a mucb larger flow was likely to start and J can give tbe numbor of persons wbo for political reasons? We find tbat tbey moved, montbwise, if be is interested. were totally unprepared to make any arrangem'nts for tbeir pro:.ction and for tbeir sheller. Thl' shows that they were SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I tnld blm not at ,,11 prepared. What sort of reports t hat for political reason. tbey were tryin, do they aet from tbe Intelliaence syotem to squeeze out tbose people who were or the External Affairs Ministry? The not likely to support Yayba Kban Go_n- Deputy High Commissioner's office has ment in the elections. Did tbe Deputy failed completely. Wbat is the reason High Commissioner's office Kive tbem for this? prior information on the basis of wbicb they could have anticipated tbis influx SI1RI SWARAN SINGH: Broadly. and made prior arrangements? Wby bave I should like to say that there are political they failed to make proper arranllements? reasons ,Ibo aDd some communal parties Wby docs be not reply to tbat questioo 1 there are responsibie ...... SHRJ SWARAN SINGH: Tbere nre two SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: We are parts to the question. This was onc of quite fed up wit h the 10Dg rigmarole. We tbe causes, not the onty C8tl5C1. There want a specific reply. Have they siven are after causes other ... (Interruptions) you prior information? Have they given You cannot by sboutinl compel me to information to the Rehabilitation Ministry chanle my views ...... (Interruptions.) from this Ministry? If so on what date? If not the reason therefor? We are at tbe end of our patience. MR. SPEAKER: Order, ~ Tbe Question Hour is over. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: We did have information tbat a type of situation is SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU (You should de"elnpins tbere where tbere will be move- live me protection. The Minister takas ment of tbese unfortunate persons from tbis house for a ride. (Interruptions). East Pakistan into Wcst Beosal. MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, I \lory SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: 00 wbat mucb realise tbe anxiety of tbe Memben date? and their excitement. I did not pag 00 to the nellt questioo in view oC tbat, and SHRI SWARAN SINGH: It is a so we could not 10 beyond tbe flnt ~ process, spread over five or question for tbe day. We bave u-dy six montbs ; tbere is no particular date ... fixed a discussion on it. I bave ,ot (/nterruptiOlls.) If J am contioDously here a few names whom J wanted to call interupted like tbis, bow can J for the supplement.ries but COlli. aot proceed ? call. 27 JULY 29, 1970 Oral """WI'S 28

SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: I wrote to you Short Notice Question in respect oC the supplementary. Water Level At Bhakra Reservoir MR. SPfAKER : It is a question oC I. S.N.Q. SHRI SHRI CHAND catching my eye. I am not going to take GOYAL 1 Will the Minister oC note of your ~ IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to statt :

SHRI S. S. KOl HARI : How are we to (a) wbetber it is a fact tbat tbe water catch your eye, Sir? level in the Bbakra resorvoir bas reacbed tbe lowest ever; SOME HO:-l. MEMBERS Rose- (b) bow far is it likely to affect tbe MR. SPEAKER: Kindly sit down. supply of electric power for industrial and We have fixed a discussion, and I noted domestic pUrpllses; down a Cew names, it is a question oC (c) wbetber it is also a fact tbat some lime, wbat else could be done? States are overdrawinll thereby adveflely affecting tbe normal supply; and SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS Ros,- (d) tbe steps taken by tbe Bhakra -ft '(T'I'"", """: ~~ ~ Manalement to preserve normalcy? ~~~ ~ ~~ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE to-rr ",'IT ~ it crT ;;ftill

SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: Sir, fiC:iary Stales and considerins the uncer. today I have read in the press that app- tainty of the monsoon and tbe present rehension I hal been expressed by critical situation, ) want to know whether the Haryana officials that with the present tbe Government is contemplatinl some rate of release of water for irrigation pur- measures to give relief to the Bhakra poses and also the rate or release for lene- system. ration purpose" the stock in the Bhura reservOir in the month of December will be so little that it will not be capable of pro- DR. K. L. RAO : That is exactly what ducins any power in the middle of De..:em- submitted. 1 have lot three or four ber unless a drastic cut is imposed. I would schemes under consideration. ) hope in like to know what is the present rate of the next 3 or 4 days we would take some release for irrilation as well as for genera- decisions so tbat there may not be mucb tion purposes and whelher any cut has been difficulty even in the case of a dry year and applied and any further cut is needed. I even if the flows are not forthcoming in would also like to know whether there there August and September. is any bas;s for tbis apprenension which bas been expressed by Ihe Haryana officials. .n ~~ : ~ ~ ;:-) ~ ;r ~~ .If,~ THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION it ilTfur '111 it AND POV\.ER (Dr. K. L. RAO): Tbis ~ ~ rj-mr if ~ ~~~ year there is no flood in the Sullcj river witb the result tbat we bave experien- wr-ft ~ ~ q;m;rr ~ ~ ~ !!iT ~ ced, so to say. a ary year. The level in 'iT ~~ ~ I ;;r) ~ 'lfT!1fU it! ~ ~ tbe reservoir. therefore, is much below what it could bave been. There is a shortalle tTif ~ ~ ~~ if ~ ~ ~ it of two million acre·fcet of water. ~ ~ ~ f'" iiIffiT ft;A; ii) ~ '111 ;;fl'q1Tr 'IfT!1fU ~~ ~ q: ~ «IIi That causes some CODcer.. and anxiety. 'fiPlOlrc: ~ \ifTlmr I qrorr ~ ~ But I am hoping t",at the water will flow q: in A ugust and September and it will be if m.,.. riit? ( 2 ) ;;rr mii;;r l II1ifl' possible for us to make 1I00d the low 'FT m;m'T;r water in tbe mODlb of July. Three days ifiT q: ilTlfif if gm it lIlT beck we were lIettinl only 22,000 cusecs. lfiT'O!' IfiTIf;;f it (t 8111T ~ ~ ~ Now it is 36.000. I hope tbis will be kept f'l'i'lfT ~ q';;rril ~ ~~ up. NevenbelclS, as the bon. member t aT said, we must be very cautious to see thnt 'fiT ifIIT ~ 'WI'r 'fiT ~ ~ ? (3) the water shortage is not very much during ;;r) fil;;r.,..r qp:j' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ iIFf the critical months of irrigation. That is why Wo: arc thinking of cUllinl down the ~ ~ ~ qn: flm;fi ~ ~ ~ tt'fi power lIeneration from Bhnkra storage. We f!iT;ro'( ~ ~ ~ '=T'If 9;. arc also in the meanwhile exploring whether llir it 1ft. it is possible to press in some power from 1I':r it'if ~ ~ f;;miT ~ ~~ 'fi) 70 other places like Sat pura and one ('r two <:mil' t'l'!t 'fiT ~ ~ I other stations. We are trying to see whetber l aT m ,,"e can supplement the Bhakra power qp:j' ~ 70

DR. K. L. RAO: It is true with the Bell link we will have more power. But I would tell the hon' member that the growth DR. K. L. RAO : There has been no of demand in this region is very heavy as break·dowo of power. The only trouble is compared to the rest of India. About the very heavy amouot of demand 00 Pakistan, of course not a drop of Sutlej Bhakra power. There is no power station water is going to Pakistan and all the in tbis region and that is why we bave to water is beiog tapped by us, with regard draw more aod more power hoping that to Delhi electric supply, I do not think the the watet will come in tbese mooths. With hon. memt er's information is correct. On regard to silt, we need not worry at all. tbe other haod, Delbi supplies power to Even if it is accelerated, our calculation the Bbakra system DOW, Delhi is oot shows that lhe reservoir will go on up to drawins aDY power from the Bbakra system. 350 years. We are thinking "If a further It is giving back to Bhakra Delhi is playing project io Himachal Pradesh higher up which a very important ~ in relieving the load will save it. on Bhakra. One of the measures I am going to adopt in order to relieve Bhakra is to press in more Delhi power which we are ~ ~ ..~ ~ : ~ ~~~ I expecting in the next two mooths. About ~ ~~ ~ "fTtl,CfT ~ the silt, the hoo. member need not be ;;rfi'[i'fT f'fi worried. The original lire was calculated ~ 'liT;;r1 ~ ~ ~ f;;j'f ~ as 500 years Even with the silt comIng in ~ ~ ~ ~ it will be 350 years which is quite a loog 'liT G:T ;;rrcrT 'f!fT it J;[fq period. We are also thioking of construct- 'liT 'RfflT 'fi':if ClF-f ~ ~~ fif; mqif ~ ing 3 dam higher up. ~ f'li ~ U'5tlT if 'Rmr ~ ~ ~ ? ~ ;;r) 'f 'l1l\lrU 'liT ~ ~ it fu;<;ft iF we:<: ~ lflIT ~ I ~ ~ ~ ;;ft qr;fT ~ ~ crT 'l1'1T if;lf m

DR. K. L. RAO : The Bhakra dam is "63. SHRI RAM CHARN: managed by the Bhakra Manaaement Board. SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI: Thny are constantly in touch with us. The SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: question is not overdrawing. For SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN: Example. t he power gonerated is 520 SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO : megawatt. If the water level remains the same then there is no overdrawal Will the Minister of Exteroll Affain and no worry. But it the water level goes be pleased to state : down, then even this 520 megawatts will require drawing more water and that is where our difficulty arises. We have to (a) Whether it is a fact that U.S.S.R. keep a careful watch. No body can predict continues to show lar,e chunks of Indian what the amount of water is going to be. territory as Chinese in its la tcst edition In a State like Assam within a few days the of 'Geographical Atlas.' reservoir will fill uP. which is not so here. For a few months we have to be careful. (b) if so, the parts of the Indian So, it is a question of finding our way until territory marked as faning within the we have enough water. That is why I say Chinese (erritorial J urisd iction: that for the next three-four months we have to be careful. (e) Whetber it is also a fact that U. S. S. R. has in the past liven assurances to Goveroment to look into WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS these mlps. Review Of Indor-Ceylon Citizenship Pact (d) if so, whether it is further a fact *62. SHRI N. K. SANG HI: that no action has sn far been taken by SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF: U.S.S.R. in that direction; and SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: SHRIRAMACHANDRA (e) the steps which Government VEERAPPA: propose to take for the rectification of tbe maps? Wil the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is a fact that the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Ceylonese Government requested the MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Government of India to review the citizen- (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) ship pact rellardlna the persons of Indian Yes, Sir. Oligin in the land; and

(b) if so, the details thereof and the (b) Chiefly, Aksai Chin in the reaction of the Govornment of Ind,} in Weltern Sector and the entire NEFA the matter? area in the Eastern Sector. 35 Written Anlll'ers JULY 29, 1970 Written AnslHrs 36

(c) Yes. Sir. cal whether it is a fact that Govern- ment have initiated moves for holding a (d) Yes, Sir. Geneva type Conference for restoring peace in Indo-China ; (e) The Government will continue to pursue the mailer at diplomatic level (b) if so, the nature of the talks held as hefore. witb other nations so far in this regard; and Arrest of forty IndIans In Bradford (U. K.) (c) the outcome thereof 1 *64. SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOU- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL DHURI I AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (8) SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA I SHRI M. A. KHAN: and (b). Government of India have been maintaining contracts with all the parties concerned in the conflict with a view to Will the Minister of EXTERNAL assisting in bringing about a restoration AFFAIRS be pleased to state: of peace.

(a) whether Government's attention (e) It is not customary to divulge the been drawn to a recent U. N. I. report substance of these consultations, as they that a group of 40 Indians from Punjab are confidential. A t present the possibility were found in a cellar of Bradford (U. K.) of convening a Geneva type conference house and arrested by the police from appears remote. there ;

(b) if so, the details thereof; and ~~~ ~ ~ t (e) the fate of the 40 persons under ~ if ~ rnr ~ reference; ~ THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL * 66. 'IT OfT:f : AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): -n '!W 1f!1'V1' ~ : (a) Yes Sir. 'IT WIT""" ~ WroT : (b) All the 40 who had entered Britain ~ mm 'li'f: unlawfully were apprehended by the British ~ Ulf1fttm\' ~ : Police and ordered to be deported.

(e) of the 40, 38 arc now in India, and IfllT ~ 1l'ft ~ 'faf.l' 'tiT 2 are still under detention in tbe U. K. ~ apparently in connection witb the Police f'ti: investiaatioD5. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Gene .. type Conference on Indo-Cbina) ("") IfllT fit; ITa iF t ~ ~ if ~ if ~ 'llRCf ~ *6S. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: ~ ~~ ~~ iti ~ SHRI A. SREEDHARAN : iF SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH : it ~ it 'til ~~ sw.tr it; 'fit it SHRI R. BARUA : ~~ ~ ~ qT; SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: IfllT ~ ~ ~ ~ fit; ~ ~ Will the Minister of EXTERNAL (llJ) AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 1959 ~ ~ ~ ~ 37 Wrillen Answers SRAVANA 1,1892 (SAKA) Written Answerl 38

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*67. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES : ('f8"R it; rim,.rr m"llfT lflfT ¥:IT m<: 1969-70 it; ~ IDl'lf- fmr ~ ij" ~ eh- 'fiT4' it; ~ 'i<: (c) what are the stcps taken by sovern- ~ ij" ~ fm!fT ;;ft f'fi" 1959 ij" ~ ~ ~ ~ I (c) We have requested the Government ~ 1<'1" <118" '1<: ~ ~ f'f> !fll: 8"( CT'fi" if&:T of PakistaD that an official f,om rhe Hiah ~ ~ 'iTiil8"!fT ~ I ~ ~ if ~ order to make aDY arrangements tbat may ~ ~~ ~~ ~ be necessary for their welfare and for lucb eh- if 8"'fi" legal assistance 8a may be required. ~ '1&T f'f>!fT 'iTT tl"fi"8"T 'iTar 8"'fi" tl"'fT'"'f ~ ~ ~~ ~~ 'fiT ~ Electronics Researcb for DefeDCC Purpose. ~ ~ ~ l

(';() make aD atom bomb; and 39 Wrltt,n AIIIlWdrs JULY 19, 1971) Written Answers

(b) whether Scientific Advisers also are (b) aod (c). Do not arise. of the same opinion ? Approval of Thelo Dam on THE MINISTER OF STATE River Ra.1 (DEFENCE PRODUCTION) IN THI::. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SARI P. C. ·70. SHRI REVINDER SINGH SETHI) : (a) A sizeable amount of money GARCHA: Will the Minister of is being provided for electronics research IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased for Defence purposes So as to meet the to slate: needs of the Services with reference to equip. ment as required by the Armed Forces. (a) whetber ~ are still holding up approval of tbe scheme of Tbein (b) Tbe Scientific Adviser agrees with Dam Project on tbe Ravi in Punjab; policy of tbe Government as already laid down. (b) if so, the reasons therefor;

Recommendations of Industrial (c) wbether Punjab Government have Development Service approached the Central Government to expendite tbe approval of tbe scbeme ; ·69. SHRI N.K. SOMANI: Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased (d) if so, reaction of Government ~ to state l to ; and

(a) wbether it is a fact that the (e) whether Government are aware that Industrial Development Service sponsored if an early approval of the scheme is not jointly by his Ministry and tbe US Agency given, Punjab Government may go ahead for International Development has since with the project even witb the approval? lubmilled its, report focussing allention on tbe implicalions of the curbs to be Imposed in tbe monopolistic concentration THE MINISTER OF IRRIGA TlON of economic power as allainst tbe export AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO): (a) promotion efforts of Government; to (d). The tecbnical examination of the Thein Dam Project bas been completed and the project will now be further processed. (b) wbetber lbe Industrial Development Discussions are yet to be held with Service bas recommended for exemtion of Government of Jammu and Kashmir and the export production of big business Hima.hal Pradesh rellarding the areas bouses from the PUt view of tbe laws wbicb will be 5ubmerged in their controllinll tbe rellulatinll the monopolie; territoritories. and

(e) No such communication has been (c) wbat are tbe otber recommendalions received from tbe Punjab Government. of the Indu!lfial Development Service ?

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN U. S. Decision To Keep 011 It. IfIIIId. TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) I (a) The On Kasbmlr Dispute final report of the study on "India's export marketina" by lbe Industrial Deve· lopment Services, sponsored by tbe US ·71. SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA I Will Allency for International Development for the the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Ministry of Foreian Tnde, Government pleased to state t of India, bas not SO far been received. Only a preliminary report for discussion (a) whetber Government arc aware that witb Government and industry bas been tbe U.S.A. bas decided to keep its hands received. off Ibe Kasbmir dispute; 41 ".,It/en Answers SRAVANA 7, 197() (SAKA) 42

(b) if so, whether Government have the Government of Cambodia has been reviewed the situation in the light of the made by him ; and statement made by Mr. Kenneth B. Keat. ing recently on March 7, 1970 at lucknow; (d) if so, what is the attitude of the and Government of the India to the requeat 1

(c) the reaction of Government? THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH) I THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL (a) Yes, Sir on June II, 1970. AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. As the House was informed (b) Matters of mutual interest including in reply to part (b) of the Unstarred the situation in Cambodia were discussed. Question No. 3S36 on March 18, 1970, the It is not customary to divulge the contents U. S. A. takes the line that the outstanding of confidential talks tbat take place at sucb issues between India and Pakistan are meetings. bilateral problems and that the two countries should get together to resolve their differ- ences. (e) Yes, Sir.

(b) The U. S. Ambassador in India (d) The situation in Cambodia is ftuid reiterated the above stand of his Govern· and we ale watcbins the developments. ment when he told a press conference at Lucknowon March 7, 1970, that Kashmir Indo·Nepal Trade talk. was a matter for India and Pakistan to settle between themselves and that the U. S. ·73. SHRI D. AMAT: policy was one of" hands off". SHRI MBETHA LAl MEENA I SHRI P. C. ADICHAN : (c) Government welcome the American SHRI D. N. PATODIA : policy of non·involvement in Indo· Pakistan SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL; affairs. Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : Recognition of Slbaoouk's Go.erumeot In Exile (a) wbetber it is a fact tbat tbe Indo- Nepal talks 00 trade aud traosit facilities ·72. SHRI NAMBIAR : to be sranted to Nepal were beld in June SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI, this year; DR. RENloN SEN I ~ SHRI GANESH GHOSH : (b) if so, the outcome thereof; and

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL (e) wben tbe talks will be resumed for AFFAIRS be pleased to state: the finalisation of an qrooment wltb Nepal?

(a) whether Mr. Sarian Cbbak, FOIeign THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN Minister of Cambodia came and met the TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA): (a) External Affairs Minister and discussed tbe to (e). Yes, Sir. Talks wore held Cambodian situation wltb tbe Government between the reprelCntatives of India and of India; Nepal in Katbmandu from June 18th to June 24th, 1970. Tho two sides dilculICd (b) if so, tbe details tbereof ; I .• ~ Alia mailers relatins to deftection of trade, imports into India of synthetic of (c) whether any request for recongition fabrics Bnd stainless steel manufactures from of the Government of Prince Sibanoukaa Nepal etc. The Indian lide expressed Its 43 Written Answ"" JULY 29, 1970 Writ/en Answers 44 willingness to consider the Nepalese request Secretatiat, of the level of Under Secretary for import into India of synthetic fabrics and above are set out in Statement 11 is and stainless stcel manufactures until the laid on the table of the House. [Placed In end of October, 1970 provided Nepal agrees Library. See No. LT-37S0, 703.] It is to route the goods tbrough the Indian State presumed that the H0n'ble Members would Trading Channels. not require the names of persons working in grades lower than Under Secretary, The discussions on these and o'her matters of mutual inte:rst were frank amI (dJ Tbe Prime Minister's Secretariat is friendly. and there was greater understand. intended to assist the Prime Minister in ing of eacb others point of view. No date attending to tt.e work coming to her from bas yet been fixed for a further formal talk the different Ministries, Tbis Sectt. works between tbe two countries. under the general control and supervision of Secretary to the Prime Minister ami I am Expansion In P. M's Secretariat Afler sure tbe Hon'ble Members and the House Cabinet Reshullle would not expect a description of its inter- nal working and the distribution of work between its various officers . • 74, SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI: SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN : Agricultural Loans Ulilised by Borrowers Cor Non-Productive Purposes SHRI JAI SINGH:

Will Ibe PRIME MINISTER be pleased ·75. SHRI JAGESHWAR YADAV: to State: SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: SHRI ESWARA REDDY: (a) wbether il is facl that the Prime Minisetr's Secretaliat has been expanded to Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be ~ deal witb the enhanced powers that tbe to state: Prime Minister has taken in ber bands after the Cabinet resbume ;

(d) tbe specific cbarge beld by eacb of (b) if so, tbe steps proposed to be tbem? taken to cbange this practice ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER PLANNING (SHRIMATI INDIRA OF PLANNING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): (a) No, Sir, GANDHI): (a) No study was conduct- ed by P. E. O. regarding utitisation of agri- (b) A statement setting out the present cultural loans as sucb. However, in 1965, strengtb of the P. M's Secretariat is laid on P.E.O. issued a study on utilisation of coope- tbe table oC .tbe House. [Placed In Library. rative loans. The Itudy revealed tbat while !lee No. LT-37S0/70] bulk' of tbe loans issued by primary coope- rative societies (72%) were used for tbe (c) Tbe names and designations of purpose for which they were giv:n, about officers workill& in the Prime Minister's 28~ were diverted to purposes other tban 45 Written ~ SRAVANA 7, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 46 those for which the amounts were Detention of Indian NewSIDen by israeli borrowed. Authorities

(b) The report of the Programme * 77. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO : Evaluation Organisation has been circulated Will the Minster of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS by the Ministry of Community Development be pleased to state: and Cooperation to the State Governments who are primarily concerned with taking (a) whether the Israeli authorities action on the findings of the Study. State detained six Indian newsmen for an bour Governments, under the guidance of the and confiscated their films on the [8th June, Reserve Bank of India, are keeping the ope' 1970 ; rations of the cooperative credit system under constant review. (b) the names of the Indian newsmen and the reasons for detaining them and con- Murder of Shrl Dwarka Prasad Sbah fiscating their films; and in U.K. (c) the reaction of the Government in *76. SHRI LAKHAN LAL KAPOOR: rellard thereto ? Will the Minister of LXfERNAL AFFAIR:> be pleased to state; THE M[NISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH) : (a) to (c). Government had secn a news report (a) "helher it is a fact that one Indian to this effect but despite various attempts. passport hotder Shri Dwarka Prassad Shah have not been able to get either any residing in 174 Ombersley Road, Birmin· confirmation or any details about this gham.12, was murdered on the 2nd May, incident. 1970 ;

(b) whether it is also a fact that the Improvement of Bidar Airport In MY'ore deceased was a vieitim of racial conflict in .'or Trading of A[r Force Cadets England: .78. SHRI S. A. AGADl: Will the (c) if so, whether Government have Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to refer investigated into the incident; and to the answer given to the Unstarred Question No. 8006 on 29.4. 1970 aDd state: (d) the result thereof? (a) whether the contract given for the THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Bidar Air Port, intended to be a Jet Train- AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN S[NGH): (a) ing Centre for the Air Force Cadets was Ves Sir. based on the previous experience of tbe Contractors on Similar type of works; (b) No Sir. (b) if so, the details thereof; aDd (c) and (d). Do not arise, It is :-cpor- ed that the murder of Shri D. P. Shah was (c) whether any efforts are being made as a result of a quarrel between the child- to improve tbe Air Field for tbe use of Jet ren of the deceased and those of his neigh· Training Centre? bour Naviel Christopher, a Jamaican nati· onal. The local police have arrested Naviel Christopher and his wife for the aUeKed THE MINISTER OF DEPENCE (SHRI murder and both of them have been remand· JAGJlVAN RAM): (a) and (b). ed in police custody pending further inveS,ti- Rs. 54'45 lakh. was spent on the improve- gation. lIIent of tbe Bidar airfield. Out of tbis the 47 ~ An.wrs JULY 29, 1970 Written Answers 48

principal contract for Rs. 21'25 lakhs was SHRI SAM INA THAN liven to Mis. Bharat Sevak Samaj and con- tract for Rs. 111.86 lakhs was given to one Will the Minister of EXTERNAL Shri Ennala Balram. The contracts were AFF I\IRS be pleased to state; awarded on competetive tender basis consi- dering their competence to execute the works. The remaining work was executed (a) whether it is a fact that India has by 8 olher contractors, and also by depart- written to all friendly countries about the mentally employed labour. exodus of minorities from East Pakistan which, at times is as high as 2,000 people (c) No improvements are considered a day; necessary at present. (b) if so, names of countries which have Production of Improved Mig.21 been informed ;

*79. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI (c) whether any of the countries has SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR taken up tbe issue with Pakistan; SHRIBHOGENDRAJHA (d) the total number of refugees that Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE be have come to India so far from East pleased to state I Pakistan ; and

(a) whetber Ihe plan to produce an (el the steps being taken to rehabilitate improved version of MIG-21 aircraft with them? tbe Soviet collaboration has been finalished ; THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (b) if so, tbe main details thereof; (a) to (c). Our Missions abroad have been and asked to keep their host countries informed and briefed about the situation, takintl into (c) when tbe production of the aircraft account the local circumstances and suscep- tibilities, but not to encourage them to is expected to begin ? intervene in any manner in the affairs of the sub-continent. THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY (d) 1,45,595 refugees came over 10 OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. C. SETHI); India from East Pakistan from the 1st (a) Yes, Sir. January, 70 to 17.7.70.

(b) It is not in tbe public in:erest to (e) Suitable steps in this regard are disclose tbe details. being taken by tbe Ministry of Labour, Employment and Rehabilitation (Depart- (c) Assembly of aircraft will commence ment of Rehabilitation). in 1973-74. Fal In Import of Casbewools aod Caabewsbelll liquid Request to Countries Friendly to India to Prevail upoo Pakistao 00 *81. SHRI P. GOPALAN Exodus of Mloorities Issue SHRI A.K. GOPALAN SHRI VISWANATHA MENON ·SO. SHRI DHANDAPANI SHRI K,M. ABRAHAM SHRI MAYAVAN SHRI N.R. LASKAR Will tbe Minister of FOREIGN SHRI KOLAI BIRIJA TRADE be pleased to state ; 49 Written Answers SRAVANA 1,1892 (SAKA) Written An,we', so

(a) whether there was a substantial fall in the import of cashewnuts and casbewshells liquid last year; ~ ~ ~ ~ (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and ('If) rn lfi!: m f

(c) The following steps have been taken (lif) llh (lJ). 1973-74 iF!lI'a' aT smR: rn m.rt ~ fq.(i( ~ lI& ~ lfoT ii'IT rn ~ ~ fif;: ( ii) f.rf1A' 'U'7li f.r;;r<'ft ~ ~ ~ srr,qifT (

~ it; ~ ~~ ~ ~ (a) whether it is a fact that with the change in Government in U. K., a feelinll

Indo Ceylon Citizenship Pact THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHR! SWARAN SlNGH) I (a) The Government have no information SHR! SURENDRANATH that a feeling of insecurity has developed DWIVEDY Will the Minister of EXTERNAL among Indians in the U. K. with tbe change AFFAIRS be pleased to state: of Government in that country.

(b) Does not arise. (a) whetber it is a fact that Mr. Siri- mavo Bandarnaike had entered into an allreement in 1964 with late Lal Bahadur British Approach to other European Shastri, Ihat for every seven men of Indian Countries to cbeck Mo.emenls origin lepatrialed, four would be admitted of Indian Passport Holders to Ceylonese citizenship; ·85 SHRI KANWAR LAL (b) whether it is also a fact that subse- GUPTA: quently this S irimavo·Shastri Pact was SHRl J. B. SINGH : chaDaed ; and SHRI BANSH NARAIN SINGII :

(c) the resa80ns thereof and the position Will the Minister of EXTERNAL of Sirimavo-Shastri Pact at present? AFFAIRS be pleased to state;

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL (a) whether it is a fact that British AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): Government have requested some European (a) The Agreement between the Prime Governments to check the movements of Minisler of Ceylon Srimavo Bandaranaike Indian passport holders ; and the late . Shri Lal Babadur Shastri, on persons of Indian (b) whetber it i8 also a fact tbat tbe oriain was entered into in 1964. Accordinll British Government have already Introduced to tbat Agreement, against 300,000 persons on its own initiative a system of endor- to be aranted Ceylonese citizenship, 525,000 sing the passport of Indian visitors to Bri- will repatriated to India and given Indian be tain ; citizensbip, which is the ratio of 4;7, (c) if so, tbe steps wbicb Government (b) No, sir. have taken to check sucb moves of the Bri- lish Government: and (c) Does not arise. (d) the reaction of British Government on India's protest, if made, in tbi' connec- Brtisb Attitude Towards Indians Ia U.K. tion?

*84. SHR! S. M: BANERJEE: Will tbe THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (a) pleased to state : No, Sir. 53 ~ Answ*,s SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Written Answers S4

(b) Indian citizens wisbing 10 10 to less correspond to are produced) during to Ibe United Kingdom 10 settle there as the last three years were as foJ/ows : dependents of persons already resident in the U. K. are required to obtained entry certi6cates. Even in regard to short term Year Quantity Value vi sitors from India: tbe Britisb High Com- (Earninls mission has issued instructions that "it (Lakhs tonnes) Rs. Croces) will be in tbeir interest 10 apply for an entry certificate before leavinll India" for U. K.. Thus, in practice all Indian citi- zens going to U. K. are either required or 1967·68 2·25 1'10 advised to have an entry permit. 1968·69 202 0·S4 1969·70 3·07 1·02 (c) and (d). Tbis maIler is receiving Government's attenlion. These exports were made to Japan, Exporl of Manganese and Iron Ore from Rumania and Yugoslavia. Mabarashlra HardshIps 10 Indians Holding Brltlsb "86. SHRI NATH PAl: Will the Passporl from East Africa Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased 10 stale l "S7. SHRI S.M. KRISHNA: DR. SUSHILA NAY AR : (a) the volume of manganese and iron are mined and exported from Redi, District Will the Minisler of EXTERNAL Ratnagiri (Maharashlra) during the last AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Ihree years: (a) whether it is a fact that Indians (b) the amount of foreign exchange holding Britisb p.,.port from East earned by tbese exports ; and Africa were beine shuttled between continents and are undergoing privation (c) the countries to which exports and hardships in various European cities were made? and British jails:

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if so. whether any action has MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAK): (a) to (c). A state- been taken by GovernlDcnt to solve this ment indicating exports of iron are (which problem: and more or less correspond to are mined) from Redi Port and the earnings therefrom dur- (e) if so, tbe details thereof? in8 the last three years is placed on the Table of the House. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): No export of manganese are has been (a) A number of British pa

(c) if Dot, the reaSODS therefor? meteorological research from India's equatorial ro :ket lauDching site at THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Thumba; AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) the cost of launchins the rockets;

(b) Government have, from time to (c) the names of Soviet scientists who time, taken up the general question of will participate in the experiments with proper maintenance and repairs, eiC. of their emoluments; aod the Shrines wilh Pakistan Government. (d) the names of Indian scientists chosen to work in Soviet resarch centener (c) Does not arise. and when they will be sent there to parti- cipate in similar research? ~ ~~ ~ '<'fT"'T ~ ~ THE PRIME MINISTER, MINIS· 401. I!.'ft ~~ ~~ 'FH ~~ TER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER ~~ ;f'!fT ~ iifilT'l;(r WIT 'fiiT f'f. : OF PLANNING (SHRIMATl INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) The Asreement recently concluded between India and the Soviet ~~~ ~ ~ ('Ii') 'On: for<'fT if Union provides for conduct ins systematic 0llT'1T<: 'fit Tftt ~ if; ~ U ~ if; investigations of the upper atmosphere srfcr ~ 'li'T rn 5I'fi'ff'fi'IT ~ from the Thumba Equatorial Rocket Launching Station near (Trivandrum) using Soviet rockets. A bout 50-70 mete- (l1I') lW< m if; fOf"fT if; f;ow, m- orological rockets will be launched an- nually from 1 humba during the years ~ 'fi'T ~ f'1i'1:l' !l"'f,T<: if; ~~ orn:T 1971-72. Under the Agreement, the Soviet 'Ii'<:'t 'f.r ~ 9;fh side will provide to India data collected from Soviet stations on the meridional cross section. Tbe asreement also pro- (iT) 9;f

GrllDt for Quota for Raw Materials mentioned 61 firms of Himachal Pradesh. to Sbrl R.K. Sooi at Hlmacbal Whether any such investigation was made Pradesb by the Director of Industries, Himachal Pradesh i. being ascertained from him. 403. SHRI SHASH! BHUSHAN: Will tbe Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state: Purcbase of Power Looms by Sbrl R.K. Sonl (a) whether it is a fact that as pCI' policy quota allocation for hosiery can 404. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: only be made if there was part c:lnsump- Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE tion during 1956/59 ; be pleased to state : (b) whether it is also a fact that Shri Raj Kumar Soni has been obtaining (a) whether it is a fact that there quotas for hosiery machine at Himachal are 600 power looms in the country and Pradesh valued at Rs. 18 lakhs ; out of that 150 power looms were pur- chased by Shri Raj Kumar Soni and that (c) whether Government have made too at that time when as per the policy on-the-spot investigation of t he existence such looms were not entitled for quota of such machinery and utilisation of raw allocations ; material ; and (b) whether it is also a faet that as (d) the action taken by Government ~ as Shri Soni purchased the looms in this respect ? the policy was changed and the quota THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB was allocated to him; MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAK): (a) Yes. Sir. The (c) whether it is aho a fact that it general policy for ~ of wool to was found laler on t hat several of the abnve actual user hosiery manufacturers is based looms were not in e.istence but only on averale annual consumption of wool- permits were there and since tben he blS len yarn during the period April, 1956 been victlmising government servaots; to Oct, 1959. However. the policy also and provides for allocations of a limited value to such units who had no past consump- (d) the action taken by Government tion during this basic period. in this report ? (b) For the period October 69 to March 70 an allocation of Rs, 6.10.000 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE was made to the Mining and Industrial MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHR! Corporation Himachal Pradesh with a RAM SEWAK): (a) No, Sir. view to developing hosiery industry in backward areas. This albcation was lb) to (d). Do not arise. meant for 61 firms at the rate of Rs. 10,OCO ench. The information as to Target for Export of Iron Ore durlnl whether any allotment was made to Shri F oortb Plan Period R.K. Soni out of this general allocation is being ascertained from the Director of 405. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY; Industries, Himachal Pradesh, who did SHRI K. HALDBR: the actual distribution. SHR! BENI SHANKER: SHARMA: (c) and (d). No on-the spot SHRI J. M. BISWAS : investigation of the existence of SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: machinery and utilisation of raw material was conducted by the Textile Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADp Commissioner in respect of the above be pleased to state: IV,ltt.,. An.twtrs SRAVANA 1,1892 (SAKA) W,It/.,. ~

(a) the steps taken to achieve the which i. heing augmented. Works are in target set for iron are export during the progress so as to commission according to Fourth Five Year Plan period; schedule berths at Haldia, Marma.oa, Madras Outer Harbour and Visakhapatnam Outer Harbour. (b) whether there had been any in- crease in the export of iron are during Prodnc:t10D of T. V. Sell the last two years ; 407. SHRI HARDAYAL DEUGUN I (c) if so, to what extent; SHRI YA1NA DUTT SHARMA: SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI: SHRI1AI SINGH: (d) the quantity of iron are likely to SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : be expolted during the current year; SHRI RAM SEWAK YADAV: and

Will tbe PRIME MINISTER he pleased (c) whcther steps have been taken to to state : increase iron arc handling facilities at the major ports and if so, the dctails thereof? (a) whether a proposal to undertake production of television sets in public THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE sector is under consideration of the Govern- MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI men: ; and RAM SEW AK) : (a) Thc steps being taken to achieve the Fourth Plan iron are target covcr various concerned sectors (b) if so, the details thereof? viz: rail, mining and ports. In the Railway sector they include completion of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cuuack-Paradip rail link already under MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS, AND construction and necessary increase in the MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPART- capacity, including rolling stock, of other MENT OF ELECTRONICS AND existing railway links. In the are pro- SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL duction sector they inclUde commissioning RESEARCH (SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) and of two new and large mechanised mines (b). A number of proposals from public on Deposit No. 5 in Bailadila and at sector undertakinll for production of teleyi- Donimalai ; apart from necessary expansion sian sets are undor consideration. of production in the privately owned mines in various sectors. Import of Sulphar rrom PoiaDd

(b) and (c). Iron are exports conti- 408. SHRI G. VENKATASWAMY I nue to increase. The exports increased Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE to 17'S million tonnes valued about bo pleased to stale: Rs. 100 crores in 1969-70 as against 15'9 million tonnes valued Rs. 90 cronts in (a) whetber Poland has offered to sell 1%9·69 and 14.14 million tonnes valued sulphur to India which is not readily avai- Rs. 79'33 crores in 1967-68. lable iD World markot ; and

(d) It is expected to achieve an ex· (b) if so, the price quoted ror the samr? port tarlel of 23. 0 million tonnes durinl 1970·71, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IJIl THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADB (SHRI (e) In reBard to iron are bandlinl RAM SEWAKl: (al and (b). While facilities at the port end, deep draft lulphur is ayilable from otber countries alonlside lqadiDI bertb bu already been allO. Poland bu offered lulpbur OD a compe- co mmissioned in Paradip, capacity of titive basis under rupee pa)'IDent arranID- Written Answtlrs JULY 29, 1970 Written Answers ments. The Minerals and Metals Trading THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Corporation have already concluded a MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI contract for its import from Poland during RAM SEWAK) : Information is being tbe current year. It is not in the commer- collected and will be laid on the Table of cial interests of the Minerals and Metals the House. TradinG Corporation to disclose the price paid. Production of Colton Cloth and Jute In 1969-70 Production nf Textiles, Jute and 411. SHRI JYOTRMOY BASU ; Rubber Mill, Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to statc the production 410. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: of cotton cloth and Jute in 1969-70 7 Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to ~ the details of production THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of textile mills and looms Rayon silk mills MINISTRY OF POREIGN TRADE (SHRI and looms. spinning worsted yarn and RAM SEWAK: The production of cotton looms (woollen), jute mills and Rubber cloth and jute during 1969-70 (April-March) Mills during the last three years 7 was as under :-

Cotton Cloth Jute Goods (in million metres) ('000' tonnes) Mill made Handlooms Hessian Seaking Carpet Other. Total & backing Powerlooms

4191 3~ 313"6 382'3 2300 1070 1032'9 (estimated)

Deihl as Dry Port THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTERY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI 413. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: RAM SEWAK). (a) 10 (e), The Intern- Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be Ministerial Working Group appointed pleased to state : by the Ministry of Foreign Trade on the question of setting up of a Dry Port at Delhi submitted its report in May, 19iO. (a) the progress made so far in A part from the feasibility and viabilily of decIarinll Delhi as dry port ; the Dry Port, the financial implications are also requhed 10 be carefully examined. The (b) the details of advantages of dry report is beinll examined expeditiously port envisaged for Delhi ; by the Goverdlnent. It would not however be appropriate to disclose the contents of the Report at this stalc when the matter is (c) the details of tbe report submitted under examination. by the sub· Committee of various Depart- ments and when tbe final decision is likely be taken thereon ; Criscs In Art Silk Industry nf Punjab (d) tbc reasons for tho delay ; Bnd

(0) whether Governmcnt have agreed 414. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: in principle to declare Delbi as dry V.i11 the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE port? be pleasad 10 Blale : 6S W,ltten A.nnw,a SltAVANA 7. 1892 (SAKA) ""Irren If_,s 66

(a) wbether it is a fact tbat Art Silk Asian Trade Fair Industry of Punjab is facing a crisis ; 41S. DR SUSHI LA NAYAR: Will (b) tbe number of labour employed in tbe Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be tbe industry in Punjab; pleased to state :

(c) tbe number of units closed as a (a) wbelher co-operation bas been result of tbe cri:!i. ; tiOught from tbe Minislry of Induslrial Development and Inlernal Trade by his Ministry for the coming "Asian Trade (d) tbe main factors responsible for Fair" to be held in Delhi ; and tbe crises ; (b) which ~ public sector and private (e) wbetber tbe industry is demandinll sector industries arc likely to take ~ in tbe Itatutnry fixation of prices of synthetic the fair? fibre and controlled dRtribution of tbl raw material ; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADe (SHRI (C) if so, Ibe reaction of Governmlnt RAM SEWAK) : (a> YOI, Sir. therelo ? (b) It is too carly to indicate tho THE DEPUTY MINISTRY IN THB position. MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAK): (a) No. Sir. Government bas, bowever, received some Export of Tobacco representations about difficulties experienced by, and some capacity lying idle in, the 416. SHRI LAKHAN LAL KAPOOR: Art Silk weaving ~ in Amritsar, Will the Mini.ter of FOREIGN TRADE: be pleased 10 state: (b) and (c). As tbe industry is pre- dominantly in tbe de-centralised sector, (a) the quantity of tobacco exported precise information is not available, durmg 1969 ;

(d) tbe main factors responsible for the (bi whether several lakhs of tons of idle capacity appear to be tbe inabilily lobacco is laying in the toblCCO I()downs of tbe weavinll Industry to export arl silk of ~ of Andhrd Pradesh and other fabrics particularly to Afghanistan at producing areas; competitive parices or to produce textiles saleable in tbe indigenous market. (c) if so, whelher Government propose to increase the Dumber of liconces and lltion, in still in tobacc. valued at Ri. 3j 32 crora was operation. ClLportcd durio. the Calender year 1969_ 61 Written Answers JuLY 29. 1910 Written An/fUrs 68

(b) There is only a small quantity of Water Level of B'1lO"ra Reservlor lower grades of tobacco whicb is still lying in GUDlur area. 418. SHRI SHRI ,;HAND GOYAL: Will be the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to st?!e : (c) There is no quola for exportS of tobacco. Anybody can export any quantity to aDy destination. (a) the latest position of water level in the Bhakra Reservoir (Go bind Sagar) ; , (d) The Il)IItter is under consideration of the Govornment. (b) whetber it is necessary to apply a cut on tbe consumption 0/ electric power by Reported MIllY belp In co_lion with industrial concerns now; Prime MlDlUer's Add .... ID ChaDdni Chowk, Delhi OD 2.1-6·1970 (e) wbether, the Bhakra Manaloment will be able to bonour itl commitment of supply of electric powor to Delhi ; 417. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: Will the Mlndtor of DEFENCE be pleased and to .tate : (d) if not, what is the estimated (a) whether the help of the army was cut? ,oupt in connection with the public meet- Ing organised by tbe Congress (R) and ad- dressed by the Prime Minister in Chandni THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Chowk, Delhi on 22nd June, 1970 ; MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDESHWAR PRA- SAD): (a) to (d). Tbe water level (b) if 10, ",bether help was given and in tbe Bhakra Reservoir on 26th July, 1970, to wbat extent ; was at elevation 1517.22 feet against 1611.39 feet last year. In view of the poor in flows (e) wbetber similar help was ever and in order to build up the water level liven \0 other political parties; and during tbe filling-in period ending Septem- ber, 1970, the partner States (Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan) and tbe commOn (d) if 10. when and wbom ? pool consumers (Naogal Fertilisers and Electric Supply Undertaking) have b,:en requested to reduce their off-take of energy THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI from tbe Bhakra System. Tbe Delhi JAGJlVAN RAM) : (a) and (b). At the Electric Supply Undertaking are required request of tbe Additional District Magistrate to pump back about 0.25 million units more (Nonb), Delbi. the General Officer Com- than what tbey draw from the Bbakra manding, Delhi Area arranged for drilling System. On 25th July, 1970, tbe off-take bolo on the road near Clock Tower in by DESU from Bhakra SYltem was 1.11 . &:baDdDi Chowk on 21·6-1970 and 22·6·1970 million units and tbe energy pumped back .. by usiog 6 Army Compres.,ors witb neces- by DESU into the Bhakra System is of tbe spry staff, io ordor to put UP a suitable order of 1.33 million units. Efforts are barricade as desired by tbe civil authorities. beinl made by DESU to increase tbe relief provided to the Bhakra System so that 00 (e) aod (d). The assistance was provid- an average 0.25 million additional units ed at the request of tho local civil authori- arc pumped back per day Into tbe Bhakra tt. conceroed and not at the request of aoy System. II tbat quantum of relief is pro- political party. The question of Army pro' vided by tbe DESU system, there would be vldinl luch auiltanc:e to a political party no cut tbe supply of power from Bhakra to does not arllo. DESU. 69 Writ/tm Answers SRAVANA 7.1892 (SAKA) Written .J._" 70

Tea, Jute. and Textiles exports to (d) Discussiona with the ofllclaJs oftbe U. K. u. K. Government continue to take place and our opposition to the imposition of tariff has been made mown to 419. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: them. Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADB be pleased to state ; Full Diplomatic Relatloa. with Gcnaan (a) whether tea and jute exports to Democratic Republic Britain have gone down in value; 420. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the SHRI K. LAKAPPA ; steps taren by Government to improve the SHRI A. SREEDHAR AN ; situatioo ; SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR; SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA: (c) whether Britain is also contemplat- DR. RANEN SBN ; ing to sla.h Indian textiles imports to that SHRI H. N. MUKERlEE • country; and SHRI Y. A. PRASAD; • SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: (dJ if so, the steps to thec the SHRI RAMCHANDRA same? VEERAPPA; SHRI SITARAM KrSRI ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 'I\iB SHRI RAMAVTAR MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI SHASTRI: RAM SEWAK); (a) Yes, Sir. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL (b) The decline in tea exports to U. K. AFFAIRS be pleased to state: in 1969 compared to 1968 is due to large accumulation of tea stocks in London and sluggish demand from buyers, reduction in (a) whether it is a fact that a propo- the quantum of d .. ect sbipment of tea /0 sal to establish full diplomatic relations with London followins unremunerative ~ the German Democratic Republic il UDder obtaining there and tbe lower crop in India cODlideration ; which reduced tbe exportable qualty of tea. To improve the situation, Government (b) whether tbe Prime Minllter of have taken steps by granting substantial G. D. R. has made any request In thit COn- fiscal relief in the Central Budset 1970- nection ; and 71. (c) if 50, the detail. of tbe proposals The decline in jute goods exports to made and by what time a decision is likely U. K. is mainly due to competition from to be taken in the matter? Pakistan and synthetics and hisher price of jute goods in 1969-70. Tbere bas been THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE a decline in tbe expnrt of jute Iloods seneral- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Iy and the matter is under constant (SHRI SURBNDRA PAL SlNOH): (a) review. The levei of India'. reiationship with O.D.R. is under constant review and when- (c) The Government of U. K. bave ever a decision i. made, it Is anooUDCcd by decided to impose a 15% tariff on cotton the Government, textiles Imported from Commonwealth countries from 1.1.1972 and to simultane- (b) and (c). The Prime Mlnlater of ously abolish the quota system under which O.D.R. had recentiy written to the Prime the export of I:t'tton textiles moves lit Minilter of lodia about 'ndo-GDR rclatJoQl present. in ICIDOAI. 7i JULY 29, 1970 72

Pak-Sovlel Talks hl'ld during June. 1970 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJlWAN RAM) : (a) and (b) : Sardar Swann Singh, the former Minister 421. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : of Defence (now Minister of Elttemal SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: Affairs) vIsited A Iseria from 27th May to SHRI RAMCHANDARA 2nd June 1970, in response In a long-stand. VEERAPPA: ing invitation from the GovefJ'mmt of SHRI D. N. PATODIA : Algeria The visit was in the nature of a ~ HEM BARUA: good-will VIsit. During his stay in Ailleria. the former Defence Minister visited various Will Ihe Minister of EXTERNAL establishments and held discussions with ,A T FA IR S te p'eased to state: Algerian authorit;es on matters of mutual interest. (a) whether iI i. a fact that Soviet- Pakislani talk. were held in the mODlh of Appointment of An Expert Committee June, 1970 ; 10 Study tbe cost of NucJnr Wnpon5

(b) whether it is also a fact that ques- 423. SHRI RAM CHARAN : tion of Indo-Pak relations were also taken SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI . up in their discussion; and SHRI DEVEN SEN : • SHRI S. N. DWJVEDI : (c) if so, the reaction of Government SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO : in this matter 1 SHRI SHIV CHARAN LAL : SHRIBENISHANKBR THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHARMA: MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) and SHRI HIMATSINGKA: {b) Yes, Sir. SHRI RAM KISHAN GUPTA, SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH . SHASTRI: (e) The Joint Communique is,ued after the Soviet-Pakistani talks menioned Ihat the Soviet side expressed its firm belief Will the PRIME MINISTER of pleased that Indo-Pak questions should be settled 10 state: . "throUlh bilateral negotiations in the spirit of Tashkent Declaration". This Conforms (a) whether 1\ IS a fact that Govern- 10 Government of India's known views in ment bad appointcd an Expert Committee .he matter. to study and report on the tochnological and cost aspects of India "going nuclear" Vial! by Defence Minister to Algeria in the middle of May, 1970 :

472. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : (b) if so, whether tbe said Committee SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: has since submitted its report and, if so, SHRI RAMACHANDR ... tbe salient features thereof; and VEERAPPA: (c) the decisions taken thereon by tbe Will the Minister of DEFENCE be Government 1 pleased to state: THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER (8) whether he visited Alleria In the OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF mODth of Junc, 1970 ; and HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF PLANNING (SHRIMATI INDIRA (b) If so, the outcome of his vilit 1 GANDHI); (a) No, Sir. 73 Wrltt,n AllSWlr, SRAVANA 7,,1892 (SAKA) Written An.rw,,, 74

(b) and (c). Do DOt arise. (b) The interest of Indians in South Vietnam and views of Ihe delegation will View. of Deleptlon of Indian Baslnessmen be Biven the consideration before arrivin, al a decilion from South Vietnam on Raising the Status of Conaulate General in North Vietnam SovIet Arms for Pakistan In Defence of Assnrance

424. SHRI RAM CHARAN 425. SHRI RAM CHARAN: SHRI K. LAKAPPA; SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI: SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI; SHRI SHRI GOPAL SA BOO : SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI ; SHRI SHIV CHARAN LAL : SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH DR. RENEN SEN: SHASTRI: SHRI SHRI GOPAL SA BOO : SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : SHRI SHIV CHARAN LAL ; Will the Minister oC EXTERNAL SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH AFFAIRS be pleased to Siale: SHASTRI: (a) whether it is a Cact that the Indian SHRI BHARAT SINGH Delegation wbich viSited U. S. S. R. In Ihe CHAUHAN: month of May had sought assurance Crom SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA . the Sovid Government Cor not aivin, addi- SHRI JAGANNATH RAO tional arms supplies to Pakistan beyond JOSHI: the commitments made in 1967 and 1968; SHRI SHARDA NAND: and SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI I (b) if so, the ~ of the Soviet SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN : Government thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Will Ihe Minister of EXTERNAL MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS AFFAIRS be pleased to slate: (SHRJ SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) The question of arms supplies 10 Pakistan (a) wheth:r it is a fact that Ihe Delega- was taken up with the Soviet side by tbe lion of Indian Businessmen from Soulh delegation led by the Foreign Secretary, Vietnam which visited India recently had deeply resented Government's move 10 (b) The Soviet authorities gave Ihe raise the Stalus of the Consulate-General assurance lhat lhey would do nolhina in Nonh Vietnam to that of an Embassy prejudicial to IDdia's interests. and urged upon the Government to ~ the South Vietnam with Nonh Vietnam in Ihis matter ; and Indians Holdinl! Brltllb Pas.port Stranded In Yugosla.1a (b) if so, the reaction of tbe Gove-n- ment tbereto ? 426. SHRI RAM CHARAN: SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI: SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ~ A. SREEDHARAN : MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS SHRI SHIV CHARAN LAL I (SHRt SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO I aroup of Indian Businessmen from South SHRJ RAGHUVIR SINGH Vietnam mel the Foreian Minister and SHASTRI: officiall of the External Affain. They IlIlIC'ted that any proposal to up,rade tbe level oC relations with North Vietnam Will the Minilter of EXTBRNAL Ibould be equally applied to South Vlotnam. AFFAIRS be pleased to 'Iate : 7S ~ A"swers JULY 29, 1970 ~ AllSWClrs 16

(a) whether it il a fact that ab;,ut 100 (c) wbetber tbere was any military penons of Indian origin holding British escort on the train for protection of the passport have recently been stranded in explosive cases ; Belarade. Yugoslavia, because of their be- ing prevented from entering Britain ; (d) if not, tbe reasons thorefor in view of the fact that a number of military stores (b) whether the Government of India had been looted from trains in the past by have taken up the matter with the Govern- holdins them up ; and ment of Britain; if so. tbe outcome there- of; and (e) if there was an escort, and why they were not able to prevent miscreanls (c) arrangements, if any made for from break ins open the wallon containing their rebabll itation; and the explosives t1ises and looting and gett inll away with them and and the steps (d) the fate of those persons at present? proposed to be taken to prevent sucb inci- dents in future?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI JAGJlWAN RAM): (a) Tbis (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) Ministry Is not aware of any looting of and (d) In Junc, 1970. 96 persons of Military explosive stores loaded from Gomia Indian orllin holdiDIL British passports on the South Eastern Railway for despatch from UII.nda, baving been refused permis- to Bangalore, sion to enter the U, K., were returned to tbeir last place of call, wnicb was Belgrade. After about 10 days there, they were per- (b) to (e), 00 not arise in view of mitted to enter Britain. answer to (a) above.

~ f,"1R (b) and (c). Tbe Government of India sntmn if fif¥fl'iY if bave taken every opportunity to impress ~ ""' '"'" qif tn: ft\lf upon the Britisb Government that it is the ~ ~ latter's responsibility to provide for their it it ""IIi nationals without any discrimination as to '" ~ ~ race or colour. 428. qT q"'r snm: ~ ~ Lootinll of ExplosIves from Goodl TraIn If'l'T 4 ~ 1970 ~ 'l;{crn:tf'Rr srqrr ~ Booked for BIlDgalore 1513 ~ ~ ~ ~ if lfif ;;rnA if>f 427. SHRIMATI ILA PALCHAU- FIT iiT fif> : DHURI : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: ( if» IflfT ~ #'In<'! ~ it ~ ~ ~ mt'flliT- total consiIDment of 300 cases booked to ~ ~ om if Wtfercr ~ ~ .fr'f Q;'fi- Bangalore and loaded from Gomia on the South Eastern Railway in a South bound ~ ~ Boods train was looted by holdina up tbe lIoods train between Adra and Indrabi! (Ill') ~~ crT cr«t+iI"'lT ~ IflfT about 270 Km. ; t; om: (b) If 10, the exact number of explo- sive boxel looted ; 77 Wriuen Answer. SRAVANA " 1892 (SAKA) W,Ilten Answers 18

srftmn ~ ~ mq ~ ('li ~ if; ~ Ifl:) q<: ID;r lfIf ~ ~ 'f<: ~ ~ ~ ~ : ~ ~ (tT). ~ il:t I ~ iii ~ if 4 ~ 1970 ~ i,?IHififiCf !Wi ~ 1512 if; :a-'tn: ~ ffi;:r lfIf ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ if lI'il: iICI"f.f ~ !i'1T !fii:it ~ : ~ if ~ 'f<: ~ <:m I'\' lfH'fll' if; ~ if Wfif!U '1ft qlT;m mr ~ ~ 1M ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ :- trfif'lf?f 1Ii<: "r tTl ~

(I) ~~ -1 ( 'if) ~ il:f, cit ~ ilIW IflrT t; (2) ~~ -1 ~ 3~~ -1 (4) ~ -2 (If) ~ ~ cit mn:. ~ IflrT ~ t? 2. ~~ ~ if; mo ~ 't'fo ~ [ro ..,,-U f'li'lfT tTlI'f if" ~ Sl\1TII' """, ~ ~ ~~ __ q'lf mr 11/3/57 mo t:!;Us 1:1;"0 ~ "'" "'" ~ lI'it ~~ tf.-.u '1M): 6-9-1957 fm aR 'R ~ <'11m (iii) ;;Jr il:f I ~ ~ if lli4"'IU'I(!I "t ~ lliT!Wi ~ f;r

SHRI RAM SEWAK YADAV: SHRI S.KUNDU :

~ m1f if "'lr1 (-tt Will the Minister of EXTERNAL ;ft;r ~ ~~ : (if» ~ (IT). ~ AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ~ if><: m ~ ~ 'An: mrr I:f"a<'r If<: "'" lTit fIlcro:!r it ~ lit ~ I (v-mttl" if ~ (a) ",hether it is a fact that the Chinese Troops have intruded into Bhutan durinB the ~ ~ ron '"" I LT-3752/70] montb of May, 1970 I

~~ Ilffq; ~ ~ ~ (b) if so , the details thereof ; and qq ~ ~ "'" wi ~ ,,'Iq; 'Tfw ~ lIlT ~ «c) tbe &lepS Government have taken to belp tbe Government of Bbutan to pre- vent Chinese intrusion? 431. ~ .mrw ~ IIfIfT ttfR ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN nm MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ~~ ~ ~ ~ iJ'lT ~~ .. m.n (SHR! SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) ITn ~ it; m: it 22 mr;;r, 1970 it; Yes, Sir. ~ sn;:r ~~ 7113 it; \re<: it; ~~ it lI"ir iRrTit '1ft ~ 'iiiit f.f; : (b) On May 1. 17 and 20. 1970; small ~ parties equipped with light weapons and observation equipment were seen well (if» iflfT ~ ifi" ~ ~ within the Bhulan territory in the Vicinity of Paokala and Chorten areas. The ~ t!;if>'lr if><: ;;rr 1ft parties stayed in Bbutan for a few bours and later withdrew wben asked to do so ~ ~ ~ m~ ilTlu w ~ by Bhutancse border patrols. m.: (c) The Govenment of India, at the request of tbe Government of Bbutan, bave lodged a protest witb the Chinese Govern- ment IbrouBh their Embassy in New Delbi.

Passport Carried by Foretsn Minuter ~ ;Jq '"" .tf" m if of Sblanouk'. Exile ~ (ct1 ~ ~ : (if» ~ (1T)."U'i'lf ~~~~ ~ ~ 433. SHRI K, LAKKAPPA; ~ SHRI HEM BARUA I

Will the Mlni,ter of BXTBRNAL ~ IntrustOD Into llhatan AFFAIRS be pleased 10 state:

432. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : SHR! A. SREEDHARAN : (a) the oature of pusport carried by SHRI NATH PAl : Mr. Saran Chhak. Foreip Minister in SHRI D. N. PATODlA: Prince Norodom Shiaaonk'. Go_I I·· SHRI O. Y. KlUSHNAN I EDIe ; Writ"" AtllWers SRAVANA 1,1892 (SAKA) Written Answers 82

(b) the country from which the Indian Indian citizens working with any similar Embassy issued the visa ; and agencies in the war sectors in Indo-China ?

(c) the reasons for the issue of visa? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI (SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Yes, Sir. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) (b) Information obtained by the Indian He was in possession of a passport issued Embassy, Phnom Penh; as well as the Cam- by the Royal Government of Gambodla. bodian authorities.

(b) The visa was granted by the Em- (e) Yes, Sir, he was asslanocl by hll bassy of India Peakinll. principals, Columbia Broadcastin. system, New York to cover the oventa in Cambodia.

(c) He had expressed a desire to vl.lt (d) At tho proaent tlmo, 000 perIOlI, India to meet the members of tbe ~ Shrl S. K. Chaudhary, II warkln. on t1M Commlu. of til. non·AIiped Conference Itlll' of German T,I,vl.loD (NO) thOll _tin. In Deihl,

Dealt of Shrl Rsmnlk Lekhi, Photographer Misuse of Llceacos by Shrl R.K. Soul In Cambodia 435. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES 434. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be SHRI M. L. SONDHI I pleased to state: SHRI D. N. PATODIA: SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA I (a) whether he has received a com· SHRI BANSH NARAIN plaint about the misuse of Licences by Shri SINGH: R. K. Soni of (I) Kumar Woollen Mills, SHRI JAGANNATH RAO (2) Bedl Woollen Mills, (3) R. K. Wool JOSHI: & Allied Industries (4) K. S. R. Woollen SHRI SHARDA NAND: Mills, and (5) Kabir Woollen Mills all of SHR' HUKAM CHAND Ludhiann8 ; KACHWAII SHRI RAM GOPAL SHAL- (b) if so, wbether inquiries have been WALE: made in to this matter; and

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL (c) if 80, the actioD takeD ~ AFFAIRS be Pleased to State I Sbri Soni aDd his companies? (a> whetber Government are satisfied tbat Shri Ramnill: Llkhi, tho Indian Nows THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Photo.raphor working with an American MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Broadcastina company has died in Cambo- RAM SEWAK) : (a) Yes, Sir. dia; (b) and (c). The complaiDt is still (b) if SO, on what information Govern- being enquired into. mont base their con\:lusion ; iDltaUatioa of Chluclc Traa,mllter iD Nepal (e) whether Government have made ODIIUirtes into tho circlllDltancos in which Sbri Leklli _ posted In Cambodia : and 436. SHRI GEOROE FERNANDES: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL (d) wUthor thoro are any othor AFFAIRS be pleased to Itate; 83 Writ/e" AnsKe,s JULY ~ 1910 Written Answers 84

(a) whether Government Bre aware flri'1f;;f ~~ IIiT ~ iT;::' 1lIT1m: that lhe Chinese are installing a high po wer transmitter in Biratnagar in Nepal 10 beam 438. "li ~ Off'{ ~~ : 'fll'T Ii.- propaganda broadcasts to India: ~ 1lIT1m: #"T lI'i1: lh

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE q;:r qq'f ~ 'n: MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ( l1I')

i.rm; ilfTIm: ~ ;aq-nt ~ ij- 292'11 mlll ~ '1ft ~ grf.r ~ i'll ~ : (lfi) .Cf'ilf ~ ~ ~ I W];l1Tif <'f11Tl:IT tm ~ flfi ~ if fciflR ~ m.: ~~ Ol:fflfwfl i:t ~ ~ ~ ~ 66 mlll mit ;f.t lll<:m llf 'fiT<:T '1ft f.rJtit i:t ~ m'l1 ~ gf ~ I If 'ffi'IT ~ I (tr) ~ ~ '1ft fWt ~ ~ (lll) 6'35 m;;rQRf I ~ if ~ 1969 lfiT ~ ~ mr.r 16 ~ CfIITT 39 ~ '1ft (tr) qq 1968-69 if 32'12 m;;rQRf ;;rrif llf eff I ~ 'lit 'J'f'fT ~ ~ flfi 196<'-70 it 36,86 ~ m'I1 ~ m.: ~ 3,712 ~ ciT ~ lTit 'fT ma-- IITTI l;ffif ~ I 87,000 ~~ i:t m"l'lfi &i'!if if ~~~

440, o.;ft It);;s, iflIIT ~ : rn m.nf ( q) ~ i:t ~ lfT<'iT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ i'T If'!ifT ~ ~ '1ft 'li'fT ~ ~ ~ ~ 'I1T<:Cf ~ em ~ flfi : ~ ~ ~ eft ;;rrT ~ ~ f<:m '1ft ~ if, 1969-70 ~ m..r ~ ~~ ~ f<'l'l1; I' 25 ~ ~ (<

(Iif) if1RT ~~ if ~ i:t ~ (lfi) ffi ~ ~ CfIITT ~ ~ ~ iITt it ~ i:l '!iTt ~ ~ ~ ~ m 'U'ilif it Si.fliilt+t'" ",lfu!r ~~~ ~ ~ it fCfV.. a- ~ m+tfu

( ~ lff.t ~ ;:IT ~ ~~ ~ Racial D1SC1"lml,..tion _plait Jodlans ID U.K. l: ~~ .m: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ~ lff.t ~ ill 'fl

~ 'l@' ~ I ~~ fifJrll lITU 443. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~ SHRI S. K. TAP URIAH : ~~~~ ~ Will the Minister of IRRIOATION f'fiit ;;rri\" if; ~ ~ ilif fCf'fn: f'lllfT ;;rritm AND POWER be pleased to state: ;;(if ~ ~ ~ lfTll RW,.if ~~ (a) whetber GOYemmcnt bave awynd ~ it; if; 'lfu!:rm l!\T m'ifl"'" the causca oI frequent power faiiufCI in liIe ~ lR: fu"!fT ;;rritm I capital ; 89 SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAJrA) Written An.r .....rs

(b) whetber loads worth crores of Sihanouk's Appeal to india for Help rupees are lying unutilised though they ror Liberation Strup are understood to have been ordered to set up new power houses to meet the con- 444. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: IltaDtly rising demands; and SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : (c) if so, what stands in the way of SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Government to meet tbe challenge in this SHRI R. K. AMIN : front? SHRI G. C. NAIK : SHRIYOGENDRA SHARMA: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRID.N.DEB: MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK : POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI : (a). In Malcb, 1969, tbe Central Water and SHRI RAM SEWAK YADAV: Power Commission analysed the causes SHRI RAM GOPAL of power breakdowns in tbe Delhi Electric SHALWALE: Supply SYSlem. The analysis revealed tbat SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : a majority of faults in tbe DESU system were caused hy loose connections, short circuits by extraneous malters, birdage, Will the Minister of EXTERNAL failure of cables and cable joints and AFFAIRS be plea.ed to state: failure of insulators. Some of the measures taken by DLSU to augment and improve (a) whether ousted Prince Norodom the system and minimise brea kdowns are Sibanouk of Cambodia has appealed to India indicated below: to help him achieve peace in Cambodia and accord support to t he liberation strul- Ble ; and (i) Overhead feeders are being re- placed as far as possible by underground feeders in order to (b) if so. the reaclion of Govemment ensure uninterrupted and more iD lhis regard? reliable service. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISl RY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (ii) Duplicate sources of power are (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) being arranged for all important aDd (bJ. 1 he policy of the Government areas to the extent possible. of India has been explained to the House iD the statements made on 4th and /lth May, 1970. (iii) Rural feeden have been segregated from fceders in the urban areas to isolate the faults. Diplomatic Relations witb Nortb Vietnam

445. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: (iv) Now switching btations are being SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: installed. SHRI K. M. KOUSmK : SHRI R. K. AMIN : SHRI D. N. DEB: (b) and (c). The Delhi Electric SlIpply UDdertakinl are in a position to meet the load requirements of tbe capital from Will the Minister of EXTBRNAL various lIeneratinB sources. Equipment has AFFAIRS be pleased to state : been ordered for the Fifth Unit (SS MW) of tbe I.P. Power Station and is under (a) whether attention oC the GoVCrD- installation. This unit Is scheduled for mCDt haa heeD invited to a report iD the cmnmilsionlnl before the end of thiB ycar. Statu",." of Sth May, 1970 "yilll Ibat .... 91 Written Answera JULY 29, 1970 Written Answers 92

Government of India has revived its old pro- to India against the visit of Madam Binb ; posal to accord diplomatic recognition to and North Vietnam : (c) if so, reaction of the Government (b) whether such a move is considered of India in this regard? to be subtle shift in India's hitherto well- known policy of Dot taking any such step; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) (c) if so, the reaction of the Yes, Sir. Government of India in this regard?

(b) Yes, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) (e) No action appears to be cailed to (c). Government of India's attention for. has been drawn to this report. The posi- tion remains as ~ in the House on Djakarta meet on Cambodia March 18, 1970 during the half-an-hour discU8Sio n. ·447. SHRI R. K. AMIN : SHRI N. K. SOMANI: Visit of Madam ninb Foreign, Minister SHRI J. MOHAMMED IMAM: of Pro.15ional Revoiutionary Govt. SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK : of Vietnam to India SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR : SHRI D. N. DEB: SIIRI ONKAR LAL BERWA : 445. SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: SHRI N. K, SOMANI: SHRI PRAKASH VIR Will the Ministrr of EXTERNAL SHASTRI: AFFAIRS be pleased to slate: SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : (b) whether a meeting of some of SHRI M. L. SONDHI : the Asian countries was recently held in SIlRI YAJNA DATT Djkarta to consider developments in SHARMA: Camhodia; SHRI K, M. ~ : (b) w:,ethcr Government of India SHRI R. K. AMIN : refused to attend this meeting ; SHRIMATl SHARDA MUKERJEE: SHRI JAI SINGH: (e) whether the Indonesian Foreign SHRID. N.DEB: Minister and some other Ministers criticized SHRI RAM AVTAR indifferent attitude of India towards the SHARMA: Cambodian issue; and

Wi!1 the Minister of EXTERNAL (d) the reaction of the Government AFFAIRS be pleased to state: of India in this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) whether the Government of India MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS had extendc:d an official invitation to Madam (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Binh, Foreiln Minister of Provisional Re- Yes, Sir. volutionary Government of Vietnam and she visited India in July, 1970 ; (b) After due consideration the Govern- (b) whether the South Vietnamese ment of India carne to the conciusion tbal Foreiln Minister, Mr. Lam, has protested it would be best not to participate. 93 W,itten A.,m,'erJ SRAVA;'lA 7, 1892 ~ Written Answers

(c) and (d), Government of India's (b) and (c). The Governing Council stand has been explained to the Govern· engaged lhe ~ of a Management ment of Indonesia and (0 the other COuntries ConSUltanl to advise tllem on improvements inviled to the conference, While some of in Central COllage Industries Association'S ~ have expressed the feeling that ' purcbase procedures. Govcrnm!nt's prior presence would have been helpful, they approval for sucb cngagements was not have all expressed full understanding of necessary. our attitude (d) The total ~ of Central COltaao Industries Association during 1969-70 were Central Cottage Industrir3 Association Rs, 220,85 lakbs, wbicb included foroi,n exchange earniog of Rs, 39.95 lakbs. 447. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH GARCHA: (e) Yes. Sir, The Central Cotta,o SHIU MANIBHAI J. PATEL: Industries Association IIJS brrn reco,niled SHRlllHOLA NATH MASTER: as an Export House with effecl fcom 2nd Marcb, 197(), The recolloitlon is initially Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE valid for the following aroup of Commodi_ be pleased to state: ties:

(a) whether it is a fact that two Handbags. Shoes, Ready-to-wear. members of governing council of the cen- Hand Printed Fabrics, Table Linen, tral Cottag, Industries Association have etc. submitted their resignations 011 account of the mi,manngement and high handedness Pak Propaganda Abroad on Communal on the part of the Executive Director; if so, Disturbances in India the details thereof;

(bl whether examination of the enl ire 449. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH working of the Emporium by a private GARCHA: Management Consultants with a view to SHRJ R. BARUA: streamlining it is in accordance with rules; SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAlDU : SHRI p, VISWAMBHARAN: (c) whether sanction for this purpose was Obtained from GOvernment; If not, Will the Minister of EXTERNAL the reason Ihereof ; AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (d) the total sale and foreign exchanae earned by tbe Central Cottage (a) whether Government's alleDtion Industries Emporium, New Delhi, during has been drawn to Pak Plans to launcb a 1969-70; and global anti-India propasanda drive pegginll it on tbe recent communal incidents in tbis country (e) whether Government have reco- gnised this Association as an Export House; and if so, the delails tbelof ? (b) if 10, whetber Government are alSO aware that Pakistan bllS sponsored Delegations to tbe Governments of various THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE counl ries to convey Pakistan's concern about MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI tbe genocide of Indian MUIlims ; RAM SEWAK) : (a> Tbe resignations sub- mitted by two members of the Governinl council of the Central Coltage Industries (c) wbether it has also come to tbo AssociatioD are under Governments' notice of Government tbat PakistlD i. consideration, makilll c1I'ona to railCl tbi. luue in UN; and Wrjtten An.twers iULY 29, 1970

(d) if so, tbe reaetioD of Government Will tbe MiDister of EXTERNAL tberetO 1 AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

THE DEPUTY MINISTLR IN'I HE (a) wbetber Government's attention MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AT:FAIRS bas been invited to the reported statement (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: (a) Yes, made by Kban Abdui Gaffar KbaD that Sir. Pakistan sbouid sever its diplomatic tios witb IDdia as a protest against recrudescencc of (b) Government have seCn press reports communal riots in this country aDd tbat in to tbis. effect. his interview to Pakistan Press ID' erDational, he is reported to bave advised Pakistan to (c) Pakistan attempted to rahe it in take up the issue in tbe United Nlltions in tbe Social Committee of tbe ECOSOC and collaboration witb otber MUllim countries : ttleir PermaDeDt Representati ve also .ireula- t4!CI two leiters to all the MissioDs at tbe (b) if 10, wbetber Oovernment have U,N. talteD any Itepa to ascertain tbe factual bui, of tbil report ; Ind (d) Government deplore Paltlstan's attempt to malte political capital out of (c) ir 10, tbe details tbereot7 this matter. Government bave also talteD adequate steps \0 couDter PakistaD's moves. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS AUeiled Ad,ice by Bad.bab Kban to Pakistan (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): to Sever Diplomatic Ties wilb India (a) Yes. Sir.

4S0. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH (h) Yes, Sir. GARCHA I SHRI JioGESHWAR Y ADA V : (c) Our Ambassador at Kabul was SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO: aslted to verify the autbenticity of tbe report. SHRI DHANDAPANI ; He found it to be a pure fabricatioD. In SHRI S. M. KRISHNA; this connection, Kban Abdul Gbaffar Khan SHRI G. VENKATASWAMY also issued a sillned stat6mcnt to tbe effect SHRI MAYAVAN; that be bad Dot IIranted any IDterview to a SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: represcntative of Pakistan Press International SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL; and tbat be bad Dot made any statement, SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: as reported. SHRI BANSH NARAIN SINGH; SHRI JAGANNATH RAO AIIepd IndIaD FDDds ror Political PartIeI JOSHI; to FlPt Pakialalll Elections SBRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI: 451. SHRI MANIBHAII. PATEL: SHRI DEVINDER SINOH SHRI RAM GOPAL SHAL- WALE: GARCHA : SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAOI: SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO I SHRI N.R. LASKAR : SHRlMATI SHARDA SHRI HEM RAJ : MUKERJEE : SHRI KOLAI BIRUA : SHRI C.K. BHATrACHARVYA: SHRI SAMINATHAN I SHRI CHANDRASHEKHAR Will the Mlnlatcr of EXTERNAL SINGH: AFFAIRS be p'-d to state: SMRI NARAYANA : SHRI D. N. PATODIAN : (a) whether It Is a fact that India bas simi SAMAR GUHA I coDVC)'od to Pak!ltan Ita IIrioIll QIIICeI1I 97 SRAVANA 1,1892 (SAKA) t8

over a statement attributed to the Pakistani (d) if so, whetber it is further a fact President in the Pakistani Press in which that Government are under beavy commit- he had implicated India in regard to the ment, for export of steel to Kuwait supply of Funds to Political Parties fighting Persian Gulf, Iraq and Iran wbere ~ tbe coming Pakistani Elections; industries arc mainly dependent on Indian exports ; and (b) if so, wbether any reply has since been received from Pakistan; (e) if so, in what way Government propose to bonour these commitments? (c) if so, tbe details thereof; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI RAM SBWAK): Ca) Yes, Sir. (d) further action Government propose to take in tbe matter? (b) Exports of Indian Iteel reacbed a THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE peak level in 1968·69 wben there was an MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ladipnous surplus while in tbe world tbere (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) was a rillnl demand. Now tbe Indlpaous Yes, Sir. demand bas risen whUe tbe world. wide ,bortale colltlnues and 10 10m. balaaotq of export demand and indilcnoul dllJWld (b) No, Sir has to be made from time to time in tbe light of existin8 orders. (e) Does not arise. (c) The Ministry of Steel and Heavy Engineering is doing its best to make (d) The Goveroment will continue to available steel for meeting both internal urge the Government of Pakistan to stop demand and the export demand. such bostile and false propasanda.

(d) Many exporters have negotiated Difficulty in Export of Steel orders from overseas. There has also been demand placed by Governments of various 452. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH countries in the course of Trade nellotia- GARCHA: . tions and otherwise. SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: SHRI (e) Government are making specific SINGH; releases for export and it is hoped tbat at least part of the huge demand can be met from these releases Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : SettiDg up of Ordinance Production Board

(al wbether it i. a fact tbat Govern- 4S3. SHRI NAMBIAR ; ment are facins a difficulty in order to have SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL: "eel for tbe purpose of export ; SHRI RAM KISHAN GUPTA: SHRI VISHWANATH MENON: SHRI K.M. ABRAHAM: (bl tbe details tbereof ; if so, SHRI S.M. KRISHNA: SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD: (cl whether it il allo a fact tbat tbe MANDAL: Ministry of Steel &. Heavy Enlineerina DR. SUSHILA NAYAR I have regretted their inability to make SHRI MAYA VAN : available lteel for export purposes On SHRI N.R. LASKAR : _t of heavy demandl in the internal SHRI SAMINA THAN: market: SHRI NARAYANAN; Written An.swers JULY 29, 1970 Written An ''''l1rJ too

SHRI BHAGABAN DAS THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI DHANDAPANTI : MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) The Will the Minister of DEFENCE be Government is aware that youth gangs wbo pleased to refer to the reply given to call themselves "Skinheads", are opera nnK Unstarred question No. 434 on the 25th in some parts of London and that they are February, 1970 and state : a danger to the safety of the Asiana living tbere. (a) whether Government have since taken the final decision 10 set up a (b) to (d). The Indian Higb Commis· Ordnance Production Board to coordinate sion in London has been in toucb with· the the activities of different production es!ab- U.K, authorities in these matters, and is Iishments of his Ministry: and constantly bringing home to them their responsibility to ensure the safety and security of Indians living in the United (b) if 80, the details thereof? Kingdom .

. THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE Cutting Down The Staff Strenlth in lodl a PROPUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF Missions Ahroad PEFENCE \SHRI P.C. SETHI): (a) Not yet, Sir, but the proposal is in an advanced 455. SHRI NAMBIAR : itaae of consideralion. SHRI UMANATH : SHRI A.K. GOPALAN : (b) Does not arise. SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN: Attack on Indians in England by "Skloheads· , \ViII the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFA I RS be pleased to state : 454. SHRI NAMRIAR : SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : (a) whether there is any proposal to cut SHRI K. RAMANI : the strength of the Indian Missions abroad SHRI SAlYA NARAIN SINGH: as they are ~ to be oversized: SHRI B. K. MODAK : SHRI VISWANATHA MENON: (b) if so, the names of the Missions affected ; and Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state (c) the details of the proposed re-orlla_ (a) whether Government's altenlion has nisation? been drawn to the reported attack on Indians and other Asian immigrants in THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Eniliand by the 'skinbead' British youths; MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) to (b) wbetber Government bave protested (c). The rationalisation and reallocation to· the British Government against this of staff in all Indian Missions ahroad is attack on immillrants ; continuously under review. The Govern- ment arc fully olive to tbe ncceasity of keeping the staff in the Indian Missions at (c) ir so, tbe nature of protest and the levels con.istent "ith the work·load and rraction of the British Government thereto; tbe demands of functional efficiencY and and with due rellard to economy. On a conti- nuing basis. tbe Foreign Service Inspectors, (d) if not, tbe reasons tberefor ? consistiDI of an Additional Secretary of the 101 Writ/en An.wers SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) 102

Ministry of External Affain and a senior (b) A statement Is laid on the Table of officer of the Ministry oC Finance make he House [Placed In LlbararJ' See No. l T- periodical inspection oC Indian Missions, 3754 170] and make recommendations on the staffing pattern and economies to be effected after carrying out an on-the-spot studies. In RetJreDllllt lip I'll nerenee PenDDDel addition, there is a Curther review when the cODlinuation of posts is taken up for 457. SHRI D. AMAT : Will the sanction by the Ministry at the end oC each Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: financial year.

(a) whether any proposals for revising Certain reductions have recently been and raising the age of retirema DI for differ- effected in our Missions in London, ent Derence Services have been under Washington and Kathmandu. consideration; and Tbe Inspectors recently visited our Missions at Nairobi, Mogadishu, Dar·es- (b) if so, the decisions taken in this Salaam, Lusaka, Blantyre, Kampala, regard? Conakry, Dakar, Buenos Aires, Rio-de- Janeiro, Santiago, Lima, Havana and San THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Francisco, and their recommendation. will MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI be processed quid

456. SHRI D. AMAT: WIll tbe (b) (i) With effect from, 1 1 ~ Army Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased officers of and above the rank of U Col to .tate : (other than those who are appointed 85 II Col by time scale) belonging to the Armoured Corps. Infantry, Artillery, Engi- (a) ",hether it is a fact that wherea. neers. and Silnals are now elilible to serve a target of seven p!r cent annual increase in upto a minimum age of 50 years, Whereas, exports had been fixed under the Fourth earlier, their age of retirement was 4R years, Five Year Plan. the actual rate oC increase has been be low 50 per cent of what was contemplated; (ii) Witb effect from 25.4.1970, officers of the Intelligence Corps may be relained in service upto 55 years subject to S8ti.fyinl (b) if so, the steps being taken by criteria in respect of medical fitness and Government to achieve the target of sevsn efficiency, while their normal minimumase per cent; and of compulsory retirrment shall be 52 years.

(c) I he act ual rate oC growth of exports Award of Certillcates of Merits to Furrilln during 1969·70 and first quarter of 1970.71 1 Exchange EarDlog ladustrles

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 458. SHRI D. AMAT : will the MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased lSHRI RAM SEWAK) : (a) to (c). The to state: actual rate of growth of exports during 1969·70 was about 4%. The rate of arowth (a) whetber Government award:d of exporls durinll April, 1970 was 2'6% prizes and ~ or merit to rorelsn and during May, 1970,8'2%. the cummula· exchange earning ~ ; tive rale of growtb for April-May, 1!170_71 being 4.8%. £aport statistics for the month (b) ir so, the industrie1 which received of June, which is the last month of the fint medals durinll 1967·68, 1968.69 and 195')·70; quarter of 1970-71 are Dot 7et available. aod 103 Written Answers JULY 29, 19m W,ltten 14,,_,s 104

(c) tbe reasons wby Air India, Indian SHRJ RAM GOPAL Airlines and HOlels had been excluded SHALWALE I from tbe competition for tbose awards? SHRI 0.1'1. PATODIA ; SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI BANSH NARAIN MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE SINGH: (SHRI RAM SEWAKl: (a) Government SHRI HUKAM CHAND have given nine awan's (in the shapes of KACHWAI: rntating trophies) and twenty-three certi- ficates of merit to firms including one Bank. for ~ export rerformance during Will the Minister of EXTERNAL the reriod October, 1966 to March, 1968. AFFAIRS he pleased to slate:

(b) A list of winners of awards and (a) wbetber it is a fact that tbe cons- certificates of merit is laid on the Table of truction of work of the Soviet Cultural the Hou,e [l':aced in Library see No. Lt- Centre building at Trivandrum suspended 3755/170) recently is being resumed soon ;

(cl These awards and certificates have (b) if so, whetber attention of the heen instituted to recognise firms, orga- Government of India has been invited in nisations and institutions and individuals this regard to a report in tbe Statesman of making a distinct contribution June 2, 1970 at pale 8 ; and to the expans'on of the export trade, a r providing service directly connec- (c) the reasons for permitting comple_ ted with the expansion of the export trade. tion of the Cultural Centre? Institutions like the Air India, Indian Airlines and Hotels, which only earn foreign exchange through their services, arc not THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE covered hy the scheme of awards as the MINISTRY OF EXIERNAL AFFAIRS (.riterioll for tbese awards is ~ contribution (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) made for the e.pansion of the export trade. Yes, Sir. The construction work has already Itarted.

Resumption of ConstructIon of SovIet (b) Yes, Sir. Cultural Ceotre In Trivandrum

(c) As directed by t be Government of 459. SHRI D. AMAT : India, the Soviet Embassy stopped construc- SHRI SURENDRANATH tion of two buildings in Trivandrum last DWIVEDY: year wbieb the Embassy intended for star- SHRI HEM BARUA : ling a Soviet Cultural Ccntre there. The SimI MEETHA LAL MEENA : Soviet Embassy subsequently requested SHRI R. K. AMIN : permission to reSume conslruction "o1 k on SHRI G. C. NAIK : the buildings, urging tbat heavy financial SHRIMATI SHARDA loss was being incurred as the contractors MUKERJEIi : needed to be paid even if the work was at SHRI MAHENDRA MAJHI : a standstill. The Soviet Embassy have lIeeD SHRI H. AJMAL KHAN: given permission to rClume coDltruction of SHRI SURAJ BHAN : tbe buildlnll on tbe Uprcss oondltiOI1 tbllt SHRI BRIJ BHUSH>\N LAL : tbe bnildiDg. when COmpleted will not be SHRI JAGANNATH RAO utilised, disposed of or put to tIDY 1IlIC JOSHI: elltepl with the approval of the ~ SHRI SHARD A NAND : of Illdia. lOS SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA)

Pat PropapJlda In Arab Countries (a) whether it is a fact that Government have made ceMain prorosals to tbe U.K. 460. SHRI PRAKASH VIR Government with a view to restrict the SHASTRI: travel of U. K. citizens to India; SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK SHRI G. VENKATASWAMY : (b) if so, the Datu'e of restricIions SHRI Y AJNA DATT pro posed ; and SHARMA: SHRI JAI SINGH: (c) when these res:ric'ions will be SHRI BAIDHAR BEHERA : enforced 1

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE AFFAIRS be pleased to state: MINISTRY 01 EX1ERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. (a) whether it is fact that the propaganda offensive by Pakistan in A rab countries has bccn stepped up ; (b) and (e). Do nOl arise.

(b) whetha it is also a fact that the Damage caused by Sea Erosion In Kerala Arab countire-s are moving more and more towards Pakistan vIS-Q-V;S India; 46J. SHRI JAGESHWAR YADAV : SHRI P. GOPALAN : (c) whether it is also a fact that this SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : has maleri:llly changed the West Asian SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : situation from India's point of view; and SHRIK.M.MADHUKAR, SHRI K. HALDER: (d) if so, the steps taken to reappraise SHRI E. K. NAYANAR l SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : tbe situation and to reorient Indian policy? SHRI P. P. ESTHOSE : SHRIMATI SUSEELA THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE GOPALAN: MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) Pak.istan has made attempts in certain W,ll the Mini.ter of IRRIGATION Arab countries to step up anti.lndia propa- AND POWER be pleased to state; sanda. (a) the extcnt of damage caU5ed by sea (b) to (d). No, Sir. ~ in Kerala in the current year;

Restrictions on Entry of British National (b) the assistaDce given so far to 6abt into India the menace of sea erosion ; aDd

462. SARI LAKHAN LAL (c) tbe ploire55 80 far made in anti·sea KAPOOR: oro. ion work in t be State ? SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : SHRI R. K. BIRLA : SHRI GANESH GHOSH: THE DEPUTY MINISl BR IN THE SHRI SATYA NARAIN MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND SINOH: POWER SHRI SIDDHESHWAR SHRIE.K. NAYANAR; (PRASAD) : (8) Tbe Government nrKeraJa SHRI D. N. PATODIA : baYe reported that there were damaael due to _-erollon at Panathurakara and POOD' Will the Minllter of EXTERNAL [bura in Trivandrum District, Sraylkad BIId AFFAIRS be plcued to state: at the rear side of FXP Company at t07 ~ ~ JULY 29, 1970 Wrltts" .fmwerl lOS

Chavara in Quilon District, Malipuram in is proposed to be discussed at the forthcom. Erokulam District, Thottappaliy to Alieppey ing conference of State Ministers of Irriga. especially at Purkkad, Punnapra, Vadakkal, tlon and Power. Karoor etc, in Alleppey District and Padne in Cannanore District. In Purakad area The question of taking over the financial 600 huts were damaged and thousands of responsibility of some ma;or irrigation COCOBnut trees were uprooted. Land projects by the Centre has been considered was erobed for about 6 Km. length, and on .evernl occasions by the National Bverage width of about 30 meters, Development Council and it has been decided by tbe Planning Commission that (b) Loan assistance was given for the the responsibility would continue to be with entire ftood control sector, which includes the State Governments, but that 10% of anti·sea rrosion works. The total loan the Central as.istance to the State Plans assistance given to the Government of would be distributed amongst the States on Kerala in this sector up to the end of tbe criteria of spillover on account of 1968·69 is Rs. 647.69 lakhs, continuing major irri. ation and power Schemes.

(c) About 70 Km. of sea coast has been Remunerative Prices to Cotton and protected up to the end of 1969.70. Jute Growers

Taking over of Major Projects by Centre 465. SHRI JAGESHWAR YADAV: SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : SHRI SARJOO 464. SHRI JAGASHWAR YADAV: PANDEY: SHRIK.M. MADHUKAR: SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR : SHRIBHOGENDRAJHA: Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to state: \a) whether tbere is any proposal to set up public sector agencies to ensure (a) wh.cher Government propose to remunerative prices to cotton and jute take over major projects co'ting over Rs. growers and safeguard their interests from 20 croes in States and run them as Cent· the ~ of market fluctuations; and rally sponsored projects; and (b) if so, the broad details thereof?

(b) if so, the names of the pnjects THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE proposed to be taken over by Goveroment 7 MtNISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAK): (a) and (b). It THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE has been decided to set up a Cotton Cor. poration which will, inter alia, undertake MINISTRY Of' IRRIGATION AND POWER \SHRI SIDDHESHWAR purchases of colton by way of price support. PRASAD): (a) and (b). The conference A, regards jUle, the State Trading Corpora. tion continues to be in charge of pricc of Chairmen of State Electricily Boards held .upport operation during 1970·71. at New Delhi on 27th and 28th April, 1970 recognised Ihat large power units in ~ Import of Raw Jute subsequent Five Year Plans would require 10 be constructed, operated and maintailled 466. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO : in tbe Centrat Sector through Relional SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: Baencies, whether possible. The Conference SHRI DEVINDAR SINGH resolved that a Committee may be constitu. GARCHI: ted to examine all aspects of Central lIenera· tion. This Resolution of the Conferencc Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADB of the Chairmen of State Electricity Boards be pleased to state : 109 Written Answers SRAVANA 1, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers lib

(a) whether, in view of the fDct that (b) Pakistan's reaction continues to be I he jute production in West Bengal is likely nCII:ltive. to he dra,tically cut down, Government plor' sc to import raw jute in the coming Actlnsing International Control Commls- months lion in Vietnom

(h) whether the President of the Indian 468 SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHAU : Jute Mills Association has urged Govern- SHRI DHIRESWAR KALlTA: ment to allow import of jute from Thai- SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : land; and SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: SHRIIYOTIRMOY BASU :

(c) if so, the reaction of Government Will the Minister of EXTERNAL thereto? AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

ta) whelher India is makinll any fresh THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE elTorts 10 act ;visc Ihe International Control MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Commission in Vietnam In a bid to preveDt RAM SEWAK): (a) to (c). Government a Cambodian type development in Laos; have no information about the drastic cut and in ju Ie I'roduetion in West Bengal. The Chairman of the Indian Jute Mills Associa- (b) if so. what is the reaction of other lion had ,uggested that arrangements should members of the Commission to India's be made to import mesta from Thailand. move? Thc question of imports will be considered at Ihe appropriate time in the light of the indigenous jUle crop and the demand from THE DEPlITY MINISTER IN THE MINISTR Y OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Ihe mills. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) The International Control Commission in Viet- Renewal of "No-War Pact" Offer nam is quite separate from the International to Pakistan Control Commission in Laos. Tbe I. C. C. in Laos Is attempting to function to the best of its ability. 467. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALl ; (b) Does not arise, SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: SHRIK.M_ MADHUKAR: Arms Ther! from Welt Benat" Factorl. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 469. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI : SHRI K. HALDER: (a) whether India has renewed its 'No- SHRI RAMAVATAR War Pact" offer to Pakistan ; and SHASTRI: SHRI J. M_ BISWAS: (b) if 50, Pakistan's reaction thereto? SHRI D. N. PATODIA : SHRI HEM RAJ : SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA : THE DEPlITY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): W,ll the Minister of DEFENCE be (a) Yes, Sir, India's lonll standing offer pleased to state : of No-War Pact to Pakistan was renewed on more than one occasion last year by the (a) whether theft of a larlO .tock of Prime Minister of India. arlDl ud ammunition from Defence Cllcabli- 111 Written Allswers .lULY 2~ 1970 Written Answers 112 ahments and factories in West Bengal has of cases in receDt montbs of harassmeDt of come to light recently; Indian nalioDals at British Ports of entry by the Britisb Immiaration Officers ; (b) whether any investigation has beeD made by Government in this connectioD ; (b) if so, the number of such cases and the Dature of treatmeDt meted out to tbem (c) if so, tbe findings tbereof ; aDd at t he entry porta ;

(d) the action taken thereon? (c) whether Government have protested against such harassment; and THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI (d) if so, tbe reaction of U. K. Govern- NA,RENDRA SINGH MAHIDA) : (a) No, ment thereto ? Sir, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) to (d). D.l Dot arise. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHU SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) to (d). Some cases of discourteoul treatment ''t\' Export Policy Resolution to Indian natlonsls at Britisb ports of entry have been brousht to the notice of the 470. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI : Government of India who have taken them SHRI DHIRESAWAR KALlT: up with the Britisb authorities, Tbe latter SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : have promised to look into them with a SHtl.IK,HALDER: view to avoidinS recurrence of such inci- dents. Will the MiDister of FOREIGN TRADE Allegations Against Dr, Atma Ram, be pleased to stale : Director General C. S. I. R. for Eotertalnlng individual (a) wbether Government have prepared Editors IUIII Officials a new export policy resolution; and

(b) if so, tbe salient ~ thereof? 472. SHRI M. A. KHAN: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) whether It is a fact that Dr. Atma MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAKI : tal and (b). The Export Ram, Director General, C. S. I. R. and Policy Resolution has been finalised aDd the Secretary to tbe Government bas been same is being laid or the Table of the periodically reservinll special rooms at luxury botel in New Delbi Jor entertaining House. individual Editors of newspapers and officials of Ministry of Information and Harassment of Indians In British Broadcastillll ; Ports

(b) wbetber it Is a fact that alcobolic 471. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI : drinks were lerved to some of these indivi- DR. RANEN SEN: duals: SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : SHRI ESWARA REDDY: (c) the namel of the persons eDtertained, the dates of entertainment and money spent Will the MiDister of EXTERNAL duriDI tbe years 1968 and 1969 ; and AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (d) wbetber ancb entertainment is in (a> wbctbar thue had beaD a numbor accordance witb GovemlDOlll ruieI ? ~ SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) 114

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the composition and lerms of MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS, AND reference of the Committee ; MINISTER OF STATE, DEPARTMENTS OF ELECTRONICS AND SCIENTIFIC (c) if so, when the report is likely to be AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH (SHRI submitted to Government; . K. C. PANT) : (a) No special rooms in any lUxury hotel were reserved by the Director- General, C. S. I. R. for the purpose. How- (d) whether the dClay poses a great ever, tbe Director-General, C. S. I. R. had threat to tbe already inadequate power aiven lunches in a four star Hotel and at development scheme of tbe' FourtbP/an ; bis residence to some mass media cbiefs for and dilcuuioDl and excbange of ideas on science communication durina tbe years 1968.69 and 1969·70. (e) if 10, tbe steps wbicb are bein, taken in tbll reprd ? (b) No, Sir. THE DBPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) A Statement i, laid on tbe Table of MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND tbe Houae (P/ar,d In Library. Se.. No. LT. POWER (SHRI SIDDHB!lHWAR m6170) PRASAD) : (a) to (e). Tbe Fourtb' Conference of Chairmen oC Stale Electricity' (d) C. S. I. R. has been following Boards beld at New Delbi on 27th and 28th blOadly tbe instructions contained in the April, 1970. discussed measures to be taken relevant Government orders such as Press for expediting the commissionina of power Information Bureau's Rules for Entertain_ Itations according to schedule and recom- ment Grant and the expenditure is debited menced tht a Committee should be set to C. S. I. R. funds. up to examine the capacity of indiaenous manufacturin& industries to supply aenerat. ing equipment in time 80 that remedial Appointment of a Committee to enquire measures could be taken to meet sbortfalls Into delay In manufacturing in the supply of equipment. lbe Govern- Turbines and Generators ment have, therefore, constituted a by Public Eaterprises Committee consisting of tbe followin8 :-

473. SHRI DHANDAPANI : SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: (1) Vice Chairman, SHRI MAYAVAN : Central Water and SHRIB.K.DAS Power Commission Chairman CHOWDHURY: SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD (2) Chief ( Power) Member MANDALl Planning Commis- SHRI N. R. LASKAR ; sion SHRI KOLAI BIRUA : SHRI SAMINATHAN : (3) Chairman, Heavy SHRINARAYANAN; Member Electricals (India) DR. SUSHlLA NAY AR : Ltd.

Will the Minister of IRRIGA nON (4) Chairman, Bharat Member AND POWER be pleased to state: Heavy Electricals Ltd. (a) wbetbcr It is a Cact that a biab level Committee bas been appoinled by Govern. (5) Joint Secretary •. Member ment 10 enquire into tbe delay in tbe manu- Department of facture of turblDCI and &enentors by tho Industrial Develop· t_ publlc eaterpru. '; mcDt tH tvrltle" Answer; JULY 29, 1!)7() Wrltte" AlISIIIers 116

(6) Cbairman, U. P. Member (b) if so, the reaSOnS therefor; State Electricity Board (c) whether Government have recei- ved any representation protesting against ('7) Chairman, Andbra Member Government's proposal to shift it 'rom Prade.b State Elect- Kerala ; and riclty Board (d) if so, whetber Government will (8) Director (P & P) Member- take into account the genuine demand of Cenlral Water and Secretary Kerala to sel up the same in tbe State Power Commission itself?

"The Committee is required to examine THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE tbe capability ofthe indiaenoUI mlnufactur- MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE ina units to deliver power lIenerating equip- (SHRI RAM SEWAK): (a) No Sir, ment accordina to requirements duriog tbe There WIlS no decision at aoy stage to set FOIIItb aDd Fiftb PIIiDi and SUlle.t measures up a Sea Products Development Corpora- til ~ the anticIpated shortfalls. The tions in Kerala. ThoUlh a proposal to set Committee i. expected to submit Its report up a Marine Products Exporf Develop- within six months. ment Autbority is under consideratioo of tbe Government the question or its. head- quarter has not been considered so· far. Since any delays in tbe supply of ..nerating equipment would result in serious shortfalls in the achievement of even the (b) to (d). Do not aribe. restricttd tarael in tbe Fourth Plan of illltalled generalinl capacity, another ~~ 1I'ftt..,. ~ ~ ~ , COIIImiuee bal already been set up in tbe MiniMry of Irrigation and Power and is ~ ~ ~ !tiT ~ fUllCloninll since 2nd September, 1969 for revinving periodically in detail the prollress 475. lIlT) .-f.."'J:1tiT ~ "1fT fWifTf made in Ihe placement of orders and manu- facture of aencratinll equipment and also to ~ f!fa.'" Il''lft ~

~ up of • Sea Products De.elopment ~~ ;;rT" 'T ~ ~ if; f<'fit Corporation In Kerala ~ ~ 'liT ~~ ~ 'fiT ~ $ lIR

~ I ffi f"'Cl"Tt ; ~ -474. SHRI P. GOPALAN: SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: SHRI E. K. NAYANAR: (lif) ~ ~ m: ,.beth.r it i. a fact that Govern- m.rt ment.ar. considerlnl to change the earlier ( ...; ~ snm) : ("') ~ ('!f). ~ decision to set up a Sea Produc!l Develop- ~ 'lit ~ ~ ~~ iii 1WY ment Corporation in Kerala and arc Proposinl to ablft from Keral.; ~~~~ ~ 117 Written .4nswers SRAVANA, 7. 1892 (SAKA)

~ ~ ..iT ~ smR : IflIT ~ ~ ~ ~ ,,<:Ifi'r<: ~ ~~~ !filii ~ !fir l' FIT ifitiT ~ : ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ if; ~ iflfr !fQ ~ ~ ~ ~~ oftif f+r'ri1'r l' ~ ~ ~ OlfT'l'rfui; ~ ~ ~ ~ ; it ~ lit ~~ ~ ~ ~ <:en "Ih ~ ~ ~ "TQ'1;f ~ if 1;f<:'for<: "'f iflfT ~ ~ ~ ~ .m,,", if ~ (">1' "q ~~ ~ $ (!!f). ~ ~~~ "'fmlf if ~ (..n ~ iF ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ : ~ ;;rf ~ l' vii ~ ~ ~ VEDI : Will the PRIME MINISTER be plrascd 10 s'ale : ~ 'fr, f;;r«'f ~ m ~ Iff ~ '1lff >:fT ~ it il;

(b) if so, whether Oovernl1)8llt bavc 477 11fT ~ snm : aoulht assistance from any forei,,, country .. t. P1lf: in tllia project ; and 119 Written Answe" lULY 29, 1970 Written Answers 120

(c) the ~ (f tbe countries and tbe ~~ ~~ details of the assistal.ce made available? 5f'fiT<: tt ~ if; from the United States in America of studies ~~~~ related to the communication satellite. Details of assistance required in future for ~ ~ ~ v:ft I ~ 'l'fqtt Wlf srar'1 ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~ iii\" "fill ~~ 'I!"' ~ ~ ~~ ~ 1952 i\' eft 'fiT mt;:r ~~~~ 479. '-it ~ ~ • : ~~ : (I) itm Olffur ~ 1 ~ '11 ~ ~ ~ : 1952 lIT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~~~ fifi ~ ~~~ ~

( !if) WIT i\' ~ tt ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f'Rl'fT ~ (5) ~~ ~~ . ~ lift '1(; fim" ~ ~~ ~ I

(6) ~~ I 121 Written A"swers SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

~ ~~~~ ~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ lI>'l" ~ ? iJ'it f'l" ~ ~ srftmtT Ii," (-ft ~ 'mI) ~ f'l1nf rn iFJ mRliJ ~ I ~ if ( 'fi') iJ (;r). ;ft;t if fuMriJ it 130000 iJ "(W mr q'Iff , ~ LT-3757/70] 150000 ~ ~ 'fi'<: ~ ~ I !f1'f.t;- ~~ it ~~ (;r),.m: (tf). ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ iJ;mff ~ f;!'fcrfuRr 12 ~~ mr lfTtl< ~ ~ ,.m: ~ ~ ~ frt't;;r;f ~ 2 'fi'fcrfqi'f ~ ~ I ~ rn'fi' ~ iJ ~ ~~ ~ if 11rU it; m: ;fi;ft ~ 'lTf'fi'{'i'fr;ft ~ ~ «lPl' ,.m: ~ ~ ~ tffu:!rTll' ~ ~~ ~ it; ;i;r ~ ~ if ~~ i!iT ij'1'flf ~ ~ q<: ~ f'fi'lfr ;rlfr ~ I ~ ~ it 'fi'T{ ~ trronf'f ~ sm ~ I ~ (50) ~ ~ if ~ ~ m:r ~ i!iT ~ 'fi'<:if, ~~ 'fi'T f.mt'<:

New Victoria Mill. Ltd.• KaDpar

481. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE t Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADS bo pleased to state : 480. ~ 11T«I' ~ • : ~~ (a) whether it is a fact that tbe ~~~~~ New Victoria Mills Ltd., Kanpur bas not 10 far started functioninll because of financos ; ~~~ (b) whether this matter has been takon up with the Government of Uttar Pradesb' 'flfr srnmn ~ ~ ~ lI>'l" FIT and ' ~ (c) if so, witb what results?

('fi') ~ ~ ~ f'Fit ~ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ~ ~ ~ m<:i'f 'lTfif;mi\' MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE f;!n: (SHRI RAM SEWAK) : (a) to (c). m<:i'f ~ ~ q<: ~~ ~ ~ The mill is workinll partially. The ,.m: ;ft;t ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Go.ernment of Uttar Pradesh and a-;mr National Textile Corporation have already advancod loans of Rs. 4.90 lalths and Rs. ~ ~~ ~ ~~ S. 10 lalths. respectively, to the mill. There- after the Government of Uttar Pradesh ~ ~ ~ ~ 'fi'1i -.r"I'o it exp •••ed a desire to be relieved of flnaD- ~~~~~~ cial respoDsibility iDvolved iD runDiDIL tbis ~~ ~ miD, but It is reported that OD recoDsidera- tiOD, tbey have allfCCd to coDtribute their .hare towards the finlncial reqUlrementa of the mill. U3 ~ AntM¥rI lULY 29, ·1970 124

CbaIIse In Chinese Attitude Towards India (a) whether it is a fact tbat Pakistan is making pre para tions again to grab Kasbmlr 482. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: as reported in 'The Statesman' dated 3/4th SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: July, 1970 ; SHRI RABI RAY: SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA: (cl whetber it " also a fact that 'AI-Burq' SHRI RAMAVA1AR SHASTRI: which is a sort of a military organisation DR. RANEN SEN: has trained some thousand volunteers with SHRIYOGENDRASHARMA the help of Chinese instructors in the SHRI IlHOGENDRA JHA : met bod of sabotBae etc. ; SHRI BHAGBAN DAS: SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU I (c) whether it is also a fact that Pakis- SHRI B. K. MODAK : tan is getting arms from Russia and other SHRISURENDRANATH countries for invading Kashmir; and DWIVEDY: SHRI NIHAL SINGH: SHRIMATI SHARDA (d) if so, the details thereof and the MUKERJEE: steps taken by Government to meet the situation 7

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and (a) wbether it is a fact that there is a (b). Tbe House has been informed on cbange in China's attitude towards India various occasions that Pakistan has been recently ; and arming and imparting training to a large number of irregular forces styled as 'AI- Mujahid' or 'AI-Burq' and para military (b) if BO, in what manner and whether forces in Paki.tan/P. O. K. in gureilla there are indications of any compromise tactics, sabotage and other subversive activi- keepins in view the dignity and the sovere- ties. ignty of our country?

(c) The House bas been kept informed THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE from time to time of the persistent ofrorts MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS by Pakistan to acquire arms from various . (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) countries and of tbe increased build up of In recent months there is a noticeable armed forces of Pakistan since 1965. cbange in China's attitude towards all countries in that China has resumed abiding (d) The dcvelopmcnts in this regard hy normal diplomatic etiquette and practice. have been taken into account in making Howcver, this attitude is not confined to our plans for the security of the country. India alone.

Rel_ of Dr. MaoeareDhas (b) No, Sir.

484. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Anqed Pak Preparatlooo to Grab SHRI S. A. AGADI : Kaobmlr Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL 483. SHR! KANWAR LAL GUPTA 1 A FFAIRS be pleased tn state SHRI J. B. SINGH: (a) wbether it II • fact thaI Dr. T. Will tbe Minilter of EXTERNAL Mascarenbas, thc Goan freedon flghler bas AFFAIRS ~ pleased to atate : beeD releuod ; WrillU Aflswe" SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) ~ Answers

(b) if 50, Ibe slep" wbicb Government (d) whether Government bave seen the have taken 10 bring him to India; adverse comments of 3n Indian lirl dancor about the mis·management there: and (c) the reaclion of the Portuguese Government on Ihis toquest; (e) If so, the steps which Government have taken to manage il effectively and bow many Indians were allowed by Government (d) bow many more freedom figbters to see tbe oxhibition 7 are in the Portulue!IC jail, witb their names; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI (e) tbe steps laken by Government to RAM SEWAK): (a) Expendilure lacurred gel them released 7 so far on India Pavilion amounll to RI. 149'09 lakhs (Rs. 137 lakhs in forella ex- THE DEPUTY MmlSTER IN THE chanle and Rs. 12·09 'okh, in India). MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGB>: (a) (b) and ee), Ahout six mIllion viliton. Yel, Sir. A stalem.nt conluin:njl a li<1 of forelp ilors. (d) The Government is not aware of any mar. freedom fishIer in Portuluese (d) and (e'. Y_s. The Indian daacer. jails. has .ince di.associated hersch· from tbe adverse comments

(e) Does not .risc. All possible steps have throulhout been taken to effectivelY manage various aspects ~ on hadl. Pavilion In of the display and administration in tho Ex(io-70 India Pavilion. Visitors from India, who have been allowed relelllO of forelln ex- 485. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA; chaaiJe under normal rules, have viaited tho SHRI N. R. DEOGHARE: Pavilion. At tho instance of the Ministry of Foreign Trade 44 representatives of tho Will tbe Minister of FOREIGN TRADE participants wbose exhibits have hoea dll- be pleased to Stato : played in the Pavilioa, have visited thl Pavilion. '

lhe approldmate iDcutred so far OD ~ India plvilion in .Bxpo-70 in Japan ; I. Kinl Mahindra aDd q_ Ral... , of (b) how many porIOna avo vllited tho Nepal. bidia .....111011 so far .ad th. IIIUDOI of impartent' dlanitaries who vililed the 2. Sir Seewos•• ur RamlOOlom. Prime lnella Pavilion : Mlaister of MaDritiUl.

(C) tbe reaction of these dilauries aCter 3. Mr. Novokov, Dlputy Ch.lrman of vWtlll1 IDcJfa PaviliOn ; CouadIoI MIniIIm;CIf U$S&, Iii WrItten A.nswers JULY 29,1970 Written AII_rs 128

4. Mr. Todorov Zhivkov, Prime Minister WIJI tbe Minister of EXTERNAL of Buillaria. AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

S. Mr. Todorov, Deputy Prime Minis:er (a) whether it is a fact that Nalla Truce of Buillaria. has again been extended for another period; 6. Mr. Jivko Zhivkov, Deputy Minister of Trade, Buillaria. (b) if so. the date up to which it has been extended ; and 7, H. R. H. the Prince of Wales, U. K. (c) the details thereof? 8. Prince Hironomiya of Japan. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 9. H. R. H. Prince Hitaehinomiya and MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Prlnceu Hitaehlnomiya of Japan. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) to (c). The term "Nala Truce" wed by tbe Hoo'ble Member. evidently refen to 10. Mr. Boris Velehev, Secretary of Bulla. the Su.peoaioo of Operations 10 Nallalaod. riln Communist Party. After ao uaeslment of the overall Iituation io Nagaland, Governer of Nalaland ha. 11. Mr. Hans Buhler, Minister Pleni. extended the period of Svspension of potentiary, Federal Division of Com· Operations up to the 31st July, 1970. This merce, Government of Switzerland. is the 44tb exteosion of tbe period of Suspension of Operations. Il. Mr. J. M. Ukae, Minister for Planning and Economic Development of Uganda. Projects I18OCtl.-cl In Central Sector

13. Crown P,ince Akihito and Crown Prin- 487. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the cess Miehiko of Japan. Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to state : 14. Prince Mikasa, brother of Emperor of Japan and this wife. (a) whether it is a fact that three power projects have recently been sanctioned in 15. Mr. Ralhid Mohamed Kawawa, Second the Central Seetor ; and Vice-president of Tanzcnia accompanied by Mr. Kawawa. (b) if so, their location and the proarcss for starting work on the projects? 16. Lady Imelda Romualdez Marcos, wife of the President of Ph iii ppines. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 17. Mr. H. A. Zaki, Minister of Economy MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR and Foreiao Trade of UAR. PRASAD): (a) and (b). Three hydro· electric project In the Central Sector at 18. Mr. Kenneth Keatinll, Ambusador of Loktak in the Ualon Territory of Maolpur USA in India. Baira Siul in the Union Territory of Himachal Pradeah and Salal in the Extensloo of Nap Truce State of J. & K. have been aaoctloned. A Control Board and a Committee of Direc- 486. SHRt S. M. KRISHNA : tion have been coostlluted for the Imple- SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD mentation of these three hydro-ciect- MANDAL : ric projecU In an efficient economical and DR. BUSHILA NAYAR GpedidoUi manner. The adlDlnlatra&i .. 129 Written Anrwers SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) W,Jtten A_rs 13.0

approval and expenditure sanction have setting up of a COl')loratlon to Undertake been accorded to the projects. Actions Import of Cotton have been initiated for acquisition of land for stores, workshops etc. tbe supply of 489. SHRI DHIRESWAR KALITA : generating plant and equipment is being SHRI UMANATH arranged through Mis Bharat Heavy SHRI MUHAMMAD ISMAIL: Electricals Ltd; action has also been initia- DR. RANEN SEN ted for inviting tenders for various civil SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: works in cnnnection with the projects. SHRI RAM SEWAK YADAV: SHRIMATf SUSEELA Plan for Seif-sofliciency in IAF requirements GOPALAN: for Aircraft. and Its Components SHRI BHAGABAN DAS : SHIU K. HALDER : 488. SHRI DHIRESWAR KALITA I SHRI K. RAMANI : SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: SHRI SATYA NARAINSINGH Dr. RANEWN SEN: SHRI P. P. BSTHOSB: , SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM: _ SHRI BHOGENDRA IHA : Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADS he pleased to Itate : Will the Minister of DEPENCE be pleased to state : (a) whether the proposal to set up a corporation for the import of cotton bu (a) wbether any long-range p.an for been finalised; self-SUfficiency in I.A.F.'s requirements of aircrafts and components has been drawn up; (b) if so, the broad details tbereof: aod (b) if so, the details thereof; and (c) when the Corporation is likely to be set up 7 (c) the estimated costs 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI DEFENCE (SHRI P. C. SETHI): (a) to RAM SEWAK) : (a) Yes. Sir. (c). The Aeronalltics Committee ~ a number of recommendations for the planned (b) The Cotton Corporation of India development of the Aeronautics industry will bave its headquarters at Bombay. in India and for achievinR self-sufficiency Import of Cotton will be canalised throulb in our major requirements to the maximum the Cotton Corporation. The import extent possible. A programme of indige- licences for cotton will be issued in the nous production of aircraft for the Plan name of the Corporation with an endors Co- period as a part of a long-term plan has meDt In favour of the mills having quota been drawn up taking into account the letters for foreign colton. The Corporation recommendations of the Aeronautics will also undertake purchases of domeltie Committee. This world be reviewed from cottOD by way of price support, provide' lime 10 time in relation to the requircments ready market to cultivators who grow new of the Air Force. It will not he in the varieties of extra long staple cafton Bnd public in leresl to live furtber details. It help the National Textile Corporatioo kl can, however, be stated that, except for a procurioll domestic cotton for the mills few types of aircraft where the Air Force UDder Governmeut maoagemenl. rcquiremeutl are too small to admit of oc:onomic indiscnous manufacture. the plan providel for ae1f.. uflicieilcy in manufacture. (c) Shortly. ~ 29, 1970

lla1rd AaiaD IaI_tJOIIal Trade Far (d) whetber Pakiltao received military. aid from Chioa also, and whetber tbia- 490. SHR! G. VENKATASWAMY : aspect was also strCIIIsed in tbo protest Willtb6 Ministu of FOREIGN TRADE letter of India to Russia; and be 8~ to ~ : (e) the effect of military aids received (a) whether the Third ~ Inter- by Pakistan from Russia and China as also DatioDal Trade Fair is proposed to be held the reply receiVCI1 from the Russia? io lbdIa ill' 1972 : THE DEP..i IY MINISTER IN ','HE (b) if so, the \/CDue of tbe fair; MINISTRY 01'0 EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH):

T'HE'OEPtJt'Y MINIS't!.R IN THE (b) The Government are not aware of MINISTRY OF FOREIGN'TRADE (SURI any military aid rec( ived by Pakistan from RAM SEWAK) : (a) Yes, Sir. Russia recently as a result of President Yahya Khan's visit. (b) Mew Delbl. (c) 1 he matter bas been taken up seve-

Pakistan Pre.ldent'. Visit to Mosco.. for (d) 1 he fact of Pakistan having received Secarina Military Aid military aid from China is well known to all Governments. 491. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : (e) Any accretion to the armed strength SHRI R. K BIRLA: of Pakistan, particularly because of SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO : Pakistan's collusion with China makes 8m1 CHANDRA SHEKHAR Pakistan more intransigent in its attitude SINGH : towards normalisation of relations with India and poses a grave threat to India·, wm the MiDilter of EXTERNAL security. The Soviet Government have APPAllS be pleased to state : assured us that tbey would not do anything which harm Jndia·s interests. (II) wbether i& is a fact tbat tb. Presi- MDt of Pakistan recently visited Moscow EJlport of Raw Jate 10 U.S.S.R. and had _niDIs witb the spokesmeD of tbe GoverDIlleDt of RUllia witb a vilw to 492. SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL: _ioa tauks, aircraft aud other military DR. RANEN SEN: bard_ from Russia ; SHRI GANESH GHOSH: SHRI BHAGABAN DAS : (b) If so, the detaila about military, SHRJ K. HALDER: aiclt rCl.'6iftd by Pak iltao from RIIISia: SHRI J. M. BlSWAS : SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA : (c) wbetber Gowmmcnt bad lIOat IIny SHRI P. P. ESmOSE : prolC't Dote to Ruslia against such military aid., as military preparation of Pakiltao Will tbe Minister of FOREIGN TRADE II maiDly direeted agalmt lodia ; be plealelf to Itate : SRAVANA 7, 18611 (SAKA) ~

(a) .wbelber the U.S.S R. bad requested Meelieg Df Staadlq C ollUlllttee fOI more.raw jlJle ClIPOrt! • ~ : of non-Aligned Conferenc6 In Deihl

(b) If so. whetber the request ,.as turned dOWDf. 494. SRRI VASUlJEVAN NAIR: SHRIYOOENDRA SHARMA: (c) if so, the reasons ~ ; and SHRI C. JA:NARDHANAN: SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA (d) the quantity and vAlue of the raw JHA : jute heil'lll uporle'lto U.S,S.R. at ~ ? SHRICHfNOALRAYA NAIDU: SHRI RAMAVTAR SHASTRI: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI RAM SEWAK YADAV: MINISTRY OF FORE!GN TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAK) : (a) Il (d). U<;SR autho· ri.iDa approached tbe Government Will the Millister of EXTERNAL of India for an increase in the supply AFFAIRS be pleased :0 state: of raw jute this year. Whether or 'I1ot additional quantity could be supplied to (8) whether tile SlaDdiog CommitfeeoC tbem would depend upon tbe quantum of tbe Non·AlillDed Conference wbic:h met indigenous crop which would be available recently New Delhi bad during the current jute season and the in cti9Cuucd De issue in regard to the represent.lioe, iof internal demand from tbe jute mills. The Cambodia, the Provisional RevCllutio .....y quantity of raw jure exported to USSR in Government of South Vietnam and the thc first three month. of 1970 is 12,400 National Liberation Rlovements at tbe tonnes valued at Rs. 2'89 crores. proposed summit mec.inl at Lusaka : Upgrading Indian Mlninns at Hanni (b) if so, the details of til! discuns held; and 493. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: SHRI H. N. MUKERJBE : SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: (c) Government's position on these SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: issues? SHRI RAMAVTAR SHA.STRI : SHRIBHOGENDRAJHA: THE DEPUTY MtNISTER IN 'THE MINISTRY OF BXTERNAL APPiURS Will the Minister of EXTBRNAL (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : ~ AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (c). The F;rst Moctinll I)f tile ,Sialdiaa Committee of Non-aligned c,'untries which (a) whether it is a fact that no action met in ·N.w Delhi cleoid"" lOa! tM'..... on has so far been taken to Implemeat the of the issue of an inYitatioa to Cambodia proposal to upgrade India's diploJlUtic would be referred 10 the Meeting of Foreign mission at Hanoi; and ~ be held in Lusaka on 6th and 7th ScptomiJer, 1970, The S:lUUIiaj Committee did oot discuss the questiollt of (b) if 10, lbe ftasoJlS therefor 1 the partilltPation of PRG and National Libel.ation Movcmcllls lince &he Prepara- THE DEPUTY Ml:-.llSTER IN THB tol'¥ CODferance of NOIl-aiiaoed ~ MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS hold i a Dar .... ·Salaam ill April, 11110 J1ad (SHRI SURBNDU PAL'SlNOR) (8) and dccidoJ &hat brIIth ... IIl1M1io.o, would be (b) . The PII$ition of ~ GD'orameDt or referred to tbo Summit Conference. Tbo India remains at stilted in tbo'HoulO in tbe Qo¥oro_ot of JDdja II in ..reemut witb Half·an-bour Discussion on Mar.. JJ I, ",.. tb_ dccisiolll. 135 JULY29, 1970 Wrltt,n Answers 136

AIIeaecl Revocation of U. S. Embargo (c) the steps whicb Government bave on Arms sale to India and taken tbereon and tbe details tbereof ? Pliklstan 495. SHRI RABI RAY: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI M. L. SONDHI : MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND SHRI D. N. PATODlA: POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR SHRI RAM AVTAR PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir. SHARMA: DR, SUSHILA NAYAR : (b) and (c). Do not arise, SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD MANDAL: ..~ ~ ~ qt"i ~ SHRIMATI ILA snml'l'N PALCHOUDHURI: ~ IWlrT SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: 499. '11 t"iTt"i ~ : atllT Will the Minister of EXTERNAL mtm: AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ~ ~ IT'!fT ll11: iilcrrit;tt ~ ~ f'fi : (a) wbether his attention bas been drawn to the latest 5tateI!'ent of Mr. Rogers ('fi) lflfT ll11: ~ ~ fit; 21 ~ 1970 U.S. Secretary of State, that U. S. A, is actively considering revoclltion of bls earlier 'fil 'lTfirnrTif ~ it 'Z'fi ~~ ~ embargo on arms sales to both Pakistan and it ll11: 'fiil.T vrr fit; 'lfT ~ ? MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) ~~ ~ ~ if ('1' Yes, Sir. mm ~ ~ : ('fi) ;;it ~ I (b) Government arc in constant touch with the U. S. Government and are using (l1f) mrr fit; ~~ ;tt ~~ il.T ~ all . normal diplomatic met bods to bring f'l;ln ~ 'i'fiT ~ ~ it bome to the U. S. Government the danlers .rr"i m<: involved in ~ Pakistan to acquire ~ ;tt ~ ij- ~ ll11: 'fiil. ktrr arms from tbe U.S.A. ~ f'fi ~ ~ ~ if; m it Reeommencia lions of Cyclone Dlstrels 'lTfirnrTif "I"h r;ftif ~ ill"!" ['Z ~~ Mitigation Committee ~ ~ ~ m<: ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I 496. SHRI RABI RAY: Will the "I"ro'fiT<: Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be· pleased to state : 1:1WlT ~ ~ t ~ ~ (a) whether it is a fact tMt the preli- ~ bil ~ Iq11m: ~~ minary recommendations of tbe Cyclone Distress Mitigation Committee set up last year have been ~ by Government ; 500. '" ~ ""' mt: ~ ~ Iqtm: li':IT ~ ORITif II>'\" FIT (b) if so, the recommendations tbereof : ~ : and 137 Written A_rs SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Written ~

~ W ~ ~ f.fq;r t lfT$lflf Plan for tbe Developmeat 01 Hili Areu ~~~~ ~ ~ In tlte COUDtry lfiT ~ ~ fcr:qrtrtfl;f ~ ; ~ rn S02. SHRI. B. K. DASCHOWDHURYI Will the PRIME MINISTER he pleased 10 stale: ( 1.<1") m: ~ 1 cIT iffiIl'i!;:lfT ~ ~

~ ~ 1 ~ ~ qn: m: cIT w 'tiro!J ? (a) wbether Government bave consi- dered 10 adopt a new strategy for the deve- ~ ~ ~ if n-"",, lopment of Hill areas in the country as suggested by the A. I. C. C. General-Secre- ~ ~ ~~ : ~ ~ (1.<1"). ~~ tary, recently; and

(b) wbether other Forces now in Cam- bodia are besinning to leave; and Blaze at Azadpur Po"er Station

(c) if not, whetber Government bave '03. SHRI. B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: taken up the malter in any international Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND forum 1 POWER be pleased to state:

(a) wbetber any enquiry has been lteld THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE into tbe bill blaze at Azadpur power station MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFF,IRS Delhi in June, 1970 ; and (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and (b). Government of India have (b) if so, tbe details tbereof and tbe received reports about the withdrawal of U. S. forces from Cambodia and also about decisions arrived at ? tbe presence of other forces. It is not possi- ble to make a CBtclOric statement about tbe THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE complete authenticity of all these reports. MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND PO- WER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (a) and (b. The fire occured in lite (c) Governmont of ~ views ~ soo MVA Swltcbyard installed at Azadpur tbe presence of foreign forces ID CambodIa Sub-station of tbe Delhi Electric Supply have been made clear in this House, and to Undertaklns. The lupplien of the equip- many of the intcreated partiea, and elso- ment in 1II8OCiation witb Ibe enli_ of wbero. 1,., IDLY 29, 1910 1*1

Dellli EIoI:tril: SQpply UlldertBkiOI bavc 1-970 for .houle ofCoul-wb•• lw l!.ndejght- nvestillated tbe causes of breakdown. The wb:eler Rlilw:iY wlgons to G.D R. ; report of the suppliers is awaited. On receipt of this report, the enquiry will be comple- (b) if 10, wbether the State Trdlag ted. Corporation has been able to ~ any order from tbem ; and Talk held between India and Pakistan on (e) If 80, the details thereof and if Dot SbarIDg of Gallles Water tbe reasons therefor? 504. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : THE DUPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI MEETHA LAL MEENA : MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE SHRICHENGALRAYA (SHRI RAM SEWAK) : (a). Yes, Sir. NAIDU: SHRI RAM KISHAN GUPTA: (b) and (c). Negotiations for sale of railway wagons to G.D.R. are in progress. Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased 10 state : National Tea Company

(a) wbether any talks were held bet- 506. SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: ween India and Pakistan in July, 1970 on SHRI DEVlNDAR SINGH Iharinll the water of the Ganges river and GARCHA: the Farakka dam; and Will the Minister of FOREIGN (b) if so, the details Ihereof and drci- TRADE be pleased to state: lions arrived at 1 (a) wh"ther Government prepose to THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE establish a Nuional Tea Complny to under- MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND PO- take jointly with Ceylon overseas marke- WER (SHRI SIDDHESHW AR PRASAD) : tinll of tea ; (a) and (b). Attention of the Hon'ble Members is requested to the statement laid (b) if so, the details thereof; on Ihe table of the House on the 28th July, 1970 by the M inisler of Irrigation (c) whether it is proposed to include .1Id Power on the Secretarie,' level talks some marketing liron in India as its share- "l",ccn IDdia and Pakistan on Farakkn holders ; Projtct and mailers relating to Eastern Rivers, held at New Delhi from 16th July, (d) wbether it is a fact (he proposed ID 21st July, 1970. company will function a9 public sector allency to handle export of tea in ~ ; Sale of W8110M to East German, and

SOS. SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: SHRI DEVINDAR SINGH (e) If so, the details thereof' GARCHA: SHRI RAM SEWAK YADAV i THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRl RAM SEWAK) : (al to (e). Gewrnmmt WHI the Mini!ter or FOREIGN TRADE have under consideration a proposal to let be pleued·to stale: up a National Ta Company to enille in the _rnt/DB of tea In all its forma. Tbe 4el wlMIlher .llIe State Tradinll Corpo- detail. or die ItruetW'C, llBPiW inWltlNlnt IIItIOD·IIad.d.iscu&siCID with tbe East German n_AfY, its role In apmta,.etc. aCD bciIu Deleptlon whleb visited India in June. _Ined. Writtln A .... we's SRAVANA 7, 1821 (SAKA) Written AI/swers 14l

U. S. Almllallldor's Comments OB A I.C.C. result of which the Suez Canal continue to Resolution on IndoChina be closed ; and

507. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : (b) if so, the steps which Government SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : have taken to see that the Suez Canal is SHRI INDRAlIT GUPTA: opened soon ? SHRI SATYA NARAIN SINGH: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI GANESH GHOSH: MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS SHRI K. RAMANI: (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (B> SHRI E. K. NAYANAR : YOI Sir. SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: SHRI DHIRESWAR KALITA : (b) ~ of tho Suez Canal depends on a settlcment of tbe West Asian· Will tho Minister of EXTERNAL CrlStS. To that end ~ continuCJ to AFFAIRS be ploued to state: support the Securi.y Council Resolutioll of November 2Z. 1%7 and a a eft'orIJ to implement II, (a) whether the attention of tbe G0vern· ment of India has been drawn to the views Floo':s in Assam ellprossed by the U. S. Ambasl8dor to India regarding the AICC resolution on 509. SHRI HEM BARUA : IndO-China and connected matters; SHRIMATI JY(HSNA CHANDA: (b· whether the interview published in Hindu of 19th June. 1970 is highly d.r08"- Will th: M inist« of I R R tGA nON tory to India and constitute gross imcr. AND POWLR DC pleased tll ;lale : ference in the internal affairs of Indi,,; and (a) whether it is a fact that flood, have threatened Assam again ; and tel wh

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE DEPUTY MiNISTeR IN TYE MINI'iTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MtNISTRY OF tRRIGATlON AND po. (SHRI SURENORA PAL SINGH) : (a) WER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : Yes, Sir. OoverlllllenL CDf India have seen (a) Floods have occurred in the Brahma- tbe press reporta. putra and Barak Dasins in Assam durioa the current monsoon. (b) The Ambassador's ~ .... re restricted to the tUture of IndO-American (b) Flood Control measures such as relations u he saw them. construction of embankments, town pro- tection works. construction of drainale chaAllell bave been undort8kon in Brablna putra and Barak basios in· Allam. PrOllIWl. made and the expenditure incurred thereon OJIIIIIIn& f1l Suez Ca.Dai are liven below ;-

(I) lADath of embankments in 508. SHRI HEM BARUA: Will the KilOIIIOMn apto 19S14 +10 Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pl __ le ..to: (ii) From 1954 10 March 1969,

(8) wbether it is a fact that w west (i) ~ ot embanklllClUl In ~ Aaian Crisis it still UIllOIOlftd IIIJd •• meter. 3161 143 Written Answer, JULY 29, 1970 Written AlUWe"

(ii) Length of drai nge c1)annels in So,iet help in India's Naclear Flelcl Kilo-meters 770 S11. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: (iii) Town protection works SHRI SARJOO PANDEY I (Numbers) 29 SHRI ESWARA REDDY I SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: (iv) Area benefitted in lakh hec. 7'16 SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :

(v) Expenditure in Rupees Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased Crores 27' 22 to state :

Similar works will be continued during (a) whether the Soviet Union has IV Plan also. In addition extensive raising agreed to help India in the nuclear field to and strengthening of eMbankments is to be cover certain crucical technological require- carried out. A scheme to construct a Dam ments in the ten year prolramme announced across the River Barak to control Boods by the Atomic Energy Commission recently; In that river is al.o under examination. and

In Order to tackle the floood problem (b) if so, the details of belp expecled in the Brahmaputra Basin. three tier organi- in this respect 1 sation consisting of (i) Brahmaputra flood Control Board (ii) Brahmaputra flood THE PRIME MINISTER, MINIS;ER OF Centrol Commission and (iii) Board of ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF HOME Consultants has been set UP. This will AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF PLAN- investigate plan and implement the mea.ures NING (SHRIMATJ INDIRA GANDHI) : required in a comprehens:ve and co·ordina- (a) and (b). An agreement is in force ted manner. between India and the Soviet Union for collaboration in tbe field of peaceful uses of atomic energy. Assistance has not been Protest against Cblnese Intrusion In sought from the Sovie t Union to cover any Bhutan specific area in the ten y ear programme referred to in the Question. However details '10. SHRI G.Y. KRISHNAN 1 Will of tbe implementation of the agrccment are tho Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be presently under conside ration. pleased to state: ~~ ~~~ 1m IA t ~ (a) whether it is a fa.ct that Govern- ment have lodged protest regarding the ~~ Chinese troops intrusions into Bhutanese territory in May, 1970 at the request of the 512. 'IT "'fmm: ~ : lflIT SI1tr.f kina of Bhutan ; and -t'llft' ~ ~

(b) if so, the reaction of the Chinese ('I\') 'tlfT ~ ~ f.t; ~ ~ Government thereto? t it 'U'ilf

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE f.rI«r ltil ~ Wr if ~ ~ m ;tT MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFEAIRS 'fftr ;tT t; (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Sir. Yes, (~ zrft:: ~ m fit;a-;ft !f« fiR ~~ ~ ~ ~ (b) There hal been no reactiOn from tho· ChillOlO OoYmlDlODt. !fin t; ~ 145 Written Answers SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKAl Writttln Answers 146

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it; ~~~ ~ ~ ffiOrT ;Wt IOlfTif it I.one term Programme ror tbe Onelop. ~ §'<1; ~ ~ 'foT m<: ~~ ment 01' ~ Eocrgy W'fll' if ~ I SIS, YAJNA DATT SIIARMA : SHRI K, p, SINGH DEO : (tf) ~ ($0), ~ ~

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(2) I ~ ii !;j'foi fuff ~ ~ (b) if so, when ~ the draft ~ ~ ~ frp:J"t:l'T ~ ~~ and what \lcrc ils salient j,-atures ; f;iT,-Til I (d) the eXlent of succo'S achieved and failures met with, hy the ~ in exe. (5) m 111"1l if ~~ ~ ~ cuting the development programmes so far? ~ I THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF ATOMIC ENERCY, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF PLANNING (SIIRIMATl INDIRA GAN_ DHI): (8) to (e), A ropy of the Atomic ~~ ifoIfl1'fil 'l"<: ~ ~ f'fotrf Ene' BY Comn,ission's brochure entitled .. Atomic energy and lipaee Rcsearch_A ~ ~ ~ t;!tl:!'!'iiff': ifiT f'f.'ll'T Ifll'T I Profile for the Decade 1970.80, is avail- ;;rill m lfT"I' 11' 'WI' ;;r,\:t1fT I AtomIc Power PJDof·Utllllllltion of FuJI Capacity q

  • (a) whether tbe Tarapore Atomic AND POWER be pleased to state: Power Project has attained its full cap3cily and if so the euct figures of power gene- whether progregs made in rural rated month-wise during tbe current (a) te year; electrification in West Bonlal had been slow;

    (b) if not, the reasons for the same alld expected date by which it is likely to (b) if so, the reasons therefor; achieve the full capacity; and (cl whether any plan has been drawn (c) total loss suffered by the (}.lVern- up for increasing the tempo of rule ment on this account and the responsibiliry electrification in the State; and fixed on the subject matter and the details of enquir:es carri"d out On it ? (d) the assistance proposed to be IIlven THE PRIME MINISTER MINISTER to the Slate rural eleclrification prOllramme OF ATOMIC ENERGV. MINISTER OF during the Fourth Five year plan 1 HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF PLANN,NG ,SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) Ves. Sir. In April 1970 the THE DEPUTY MINISTRY OF IRRI· Tanll'ur Atomic Power Station geo,'rated GATION AND POWER (SHRI SJDDHE· 420 mW of power (again.t 8 rated capacity SHWAR PRASAD): (8) The progress of of 400 I\IW). The energy gcncrared in each rural electrification in West Bengal has been monthto the end of June during thc year i< comparatively slow. The percentalle of given below : villages electrified in West Bentldl is 69 as compared with the All-India average of IS.2. Month Mdlion lInits

    (b) The main reason is the inadequate January 174.107 finances allotted to this work which has Icbruary (28 ~ 165.243 resulted in the comparatively slow develop. March 213.416 ment of transmission and distribution April 229.691 networks in the rural areas. May 241 648 June 154. 13 (c) and (d). The West Benllal The full generaling capacity from the ~ have been requested to prepare station was ~ throughout. The co·ordinated programme. for aeceleratlng Quantum or power gl!oeratcd has varied the progress of rural electrification for the according to Ihe demand, In June, With energisation of wells in the rural arelS of the onset of the monS"OQ, the dem.lnd f", West Bengal. Schemes for encrgisation of encrgy dropped due to IM&, hydro fl.)w5. wells on a project-wise bJsis have been su">mitted to the Rural EleetriHcation (b) and (c). Do not arise. Corporal ion for financial assistance. The Corporation have 80 far aanctioned PrOllress in Rural Electri flcllllon of West Rs. 150.69 lakhs envisallin!! electrification ~ of S5Z villages and energi.ation of 2309 pumpsets/tubewells. A prOVISion of Rs. 10 crores hili been included In the 517. Dr. RANEN SEN: Fourth Five Year Plan in respect of rural SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: electrification in West &n1l81 as compared SHRI K. HALDER I with Ro. ~ lakhs utilised for rural SHIH J.M. BISWAS : electrifieat ion be West Bengal in tbe Third Will the Minister of IRRI(;ATION Plan. Written An.swers JULY 29, 1970 Writ/lin Answers 152

    Closure of Textile MlDs 10 West Bengal SHRI K. HALDER: SHRI J.M. BISWAS : 518. DR. RANEN SEN: SHRI K. HALDER: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION SHRI J.M. BISWAS : AND POWER be pleased to state: SHRIYOGENDRASHARMA: (a) whether the West Bengal Govern- Will the Minister of FOREIGN ment has asked for Rs. 12 crores from the TRADE be pleased to state: Centre for the completion of tbe Teesta and the Sonapurbat barrages in Nortb Bengal during the next four years; (a) the number of textile mills closed down so far in West Benllal ; (b) if so, whether the Centre has agreed to the State's request; and (b) the number of workers affected by the closure of these mills ; (c) the progress sO far made in respect of these two projects? (c) whether the National Textile Corporation has any plan to take over any THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN of tbese mills; and THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDHE:;HWAR (d) if so, the details thereof? PRASAD) : (a) and (b). The Government of West Bengal bad sought financial assistance from the Planning Commission for THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE executing the Tista Barrage Project (including MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI the Sonapurhat barrage). The Planning RAM SEWAK): (a) and (b). Excluding Commission have not agreed to treat the the mills considered fit to be scrapped scheme as a Centrally sponsored scheme five cotton textile mills were lying closed and have asked the State Government to in West Bengal as at the end of may, 1970, include it under tbe State's irrigation sector affecting about 7660 workers. of the Plan.

    (c) and (d). The management of a (c) The Tista Barrage Project Report entton textile mill can be taken over only 8S subm.tted by the West Bengal Govern- by the Central Government and not by the ment i" ::eptember, 1963, was to irrigate National Textile Corporation. 13.5 lakh acre. at 8n estimated cost of Rs. 80 crores, to be implemented in Out of tbe above five mills, the cases of pbases. The Union Minister for Irrigation three mills are pending in the Calcutta High and Power and the Min;ster for Irrigation Coul! for their liquidatioo etc. while tbe and Waterways, West Bengal, discussed on question of appointing an Investigation 22.11.1969, about its rephasing and the Committee, under Section 15 of tbe areas that would be covered in the modified Industries (Development and Regulation) first pbase. The Government of We.t Act, 1951, to look into the affairs of Bengal have been requested to frame B anotber mill ia under consideration. The Project Report for the first phase accor- management of the fifth mill desire to scrap dingly, for consideration. it and the matter is under consideration, in consultation with the State Government. Seadlall back IadlaD Eoyo)' to Morocco

    Request for Rs. 1l Crores From West 520. SHRI D1NKAR DESAI: Will BenIlJll for Completion of Teesta aad Ihe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be SoDaparhat Barrage, Bengal pleased to state:

    519. Dr. RANEN SEN: (a) whether it is a fact that Govern· SHRI INDRA)IT GUPTA: ment IIl1ve'decided 10 send ~ the Indian Written Answerl SRAVANA 7, t892 (SAKA) Wrillen A/lswrs 154

    envoy 10 Morocco afler his recall durins (d) ~ Government is taking some the Rabat Islamic Summil ; effeclive steps to rehabilitate the oU5tees of Pong Dam; if so, the detailS thereof, if (b) if so, the reasons that prevai:ed nOl, why not? upon Government to send bad Indian envoy to Morocco; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND (c) whether it is also a facl that POWER -(SHRI SIDDHESHWAR Government's of Morocco and Jordan have PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir. regretted over the Incident of India's par- ticipation at Rabat Islamic Summit? (b) and (c). All steps f(lr the ~ THE DEPU1Y MINISTER IN THE lious rehabilitation of tbe Pong Da'D ouslees MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIR') are already being taken in consullation with (SHIH SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) Yes, the Stale Governments. A senior Ollicer Sir. The Indian Envoy resumed his POSt of this Minislry has been deputed to look in Rabat on 17th Junc, 1970. afler the arrangements aod movements of the oustces. (b) The Government of India was satisfied about the sincere desire of the Over 2000 houses and req uisite number Government of Morocco to re·establish of digG:es have already been compleled. normal bilateral relations belween the two Work on further houses and diggies is also Cl)untries. in progress.

    (c) The two Governments expressed (d) The work of construction of Pong their unhappiness and regret" over the incidents at the Rabat Islamic Sllmmt Dam has not he en Slopped on this account, which had strained our bi lateral relalions. SmugglIng of Indians Into U.K, Statement of Chief Minister of Himachal Pradesh regarding oustees or Pong Dam 523. SHRI PREM CHAND VERMA: Will the ~ of LXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased 10 state: 522. SIIRI PREM CHAND VERMA: Will the Minisler of IRRIGATION AND POWLR be ~ to stale: (a) whether it is a fact that some people of other countnes have managed to ,muggl. some Indians to Er.gland ; (a) whether it is a fact that the Chief Minister of Himachal Pradesh has given a statement that until the arrangements rJr (b) if so, how many were such Indians the rchabi'ilalion of the oustees of P"ng and what action has been taken by tbe Dam are made, the work of the construc- (JovunmeOl in this regard; tion of the Dam will not be allowed by I he Government of Himacbal Pradesh ; (c) whether it is also a fact tbat some (b) if so, the action which Goveroment employees of the Passport Department of propose to take in the matter; if not tbe Government of India issue bogus pass- whe,her Governmenl has taken any action ports and such instances have come to on the news published in tbe newspapers of light where fraud has been commit ted ; 1st July, IY70 ;

    (c) whether the work of the construc- (d) wbether it is also a fact that some tion of Ibe Pong Dam has been Slopped, Travel Aaencics arc allo involved io such and if so, how much loss i. likely to be cases and iome people ba ve been arrested ; incurred in one year ; and if so, the details tbereof; and 155 Wrltll!n AIIIWers JULY 29, 1970 W,ltfen An&wers 156

    (e) the steps which Government have THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE taken to prevent Indians from going abroad MiNISTRY OF FORllGN TRADE (SHRI witho ut valid and lawful Passports? R"M SEWAK): (a) For purposes of ~ production, superior types of an and chrome papers and boards, high THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE brightness food boards, Cartridge papers, MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS glassine papers, vegetable parchment (SARi SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) papers, elc are permitted for import ~ ~ seen press reports to that 10 the Registered Exporters to a Ii",iled effect. ex lent as provided in the Import Trade Control Policy, Vol. II, 1970-71. Paper (b) According to available information. and paper board ilems. the indiFenous forty Indian nationals with va'ld Indian production of which is either not ade- travel papers were intercepted by the quate to meet the demand or which are British authorities while trying to enler not manufactured in the country are also Britain illegally. Thirty-eight of them have allowcd to AClual Vsers who may not be been repatriated. The matter is ~ exporters. investigated further.

    (c) No, Sil. (b) and (c). Ivory Board is not manu- faclured in India. Mill board. grey board, (d) Government have no informal ion straw hoard. duplex and triplex boards and pulp hoards nrc. however, manufactured in (0) Vigildnce ~ ~ at all exit India. The present production of superior points to ~ ~ pe'-sllns do not ~ nrielies of parer boards, namely duplex, tbe cJuntry witho!)t ulid travel ~~ trirlex "nd pulp board. in the counlry " considered adequate to meet the ~ ic demand. For purroses of cxport rroduc- Import of Paper and Cardboard tia'l, h,)wevrr, superior types of art and cbrome rape:s and board,. ~ brighlncs., 524. SHR[ PREM UlAND VI:RMA f,)Od hoard •. glassine papcr8 etc. have to be Will the Minister of FOREIGN TR,\DL be permitted r"r import to the regislered pleased to stale: exporters to a limited extent in the inlerest of export promotion and eompetiliveness (a) the kinds of Poper and CarriboarJ in world ~ The m3in ~ for permitted to be imported in ~ ,·f allowing import of such ilems under the exports of cerwin iten,s and the percentage Imparl Policy are Ihat eilher such ilems thereof; . are not manufac:urcd in the country. or indigenous produclion. if any. is not (b) whcther it is a fact that IvolY ad"quatc and the qualilY of itet'" is nOI Board, Mill B('ard and olhcr qU31ilies of ",itable for npon purpo,e •. Boards are manufactured In India in huge quantities and of surerior Qualities hut still paper and cardboards are permitted 10 be (d) and (c), The Import Policy is imported in exchange of exports of cellain revi."cd eVery year in consultation with the items; concerned Ministries and .Jepartmen!s and the technical ~ and hence the (c) if so, the reasons and justification Question of appointing a Committee to go lOereof; into any possibte drawback, in the existing policy does not arise. (d) whelher Government propose to appoint a ComlDillee to go iDIO the draw- Tran.fer of Ambassadors backs in the exis'.ing policy; and 525, SHRI ABDVL GHANI DAR: (e) if so, when and if not, the reasons Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Iherefor 1 be pleased \0 state : 157 WtilJell AUJwers SRAVANA 7, 8~2 (SAKA) IS8

    (a) ~ it is a fact thaI recently Uaelec:trifled Vlllap. many ludiall Amb.ssadors have been trans- fel red; and *526. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR Willihe Miaisler of LRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased 10 Slate Ibe number of villages, State·wise, awaiting electricity upto tb) if w, the details Ihereof and rea- the 15tb July, 1970? ~ for lfbn,fcl, ? THE DEPU'IY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND THE DLPUTY MINISTER IN TlIE POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS PRASAD); DUring Ibe Fourth Plan, (SHRI SURLNDRA PAL SINGH) ; (a) rural electrificatioa schemes will continue 10 and (b). Peliodical tral"rers of ,\mbassa· he orient,d with a bias lowards ene.gisation dors and High Commi!-sinncfs is n no. mal of PUlI1psets for increasing food production fli.tlurc in the I 'orrign Service. A SIJtcmcnt and villag. eleclrific3tion wJlI continue to of the ~ poMing, decided ~ be an incidental part of Iho rural electrifi. the last six moulhs. is laid on the Table of cation programme. A Statcolont giving th: th" HOll,e. [Pluau ill Vbrury. See No. L-T. requisite information as available is tbe 3759/70]' attached.

    Statement

    SI. Name of S,ale Total No. of N<,. of villages Balance No. of No. villages. Electrified as villalles not electri- on 306.1970. fied on 1.7.1970

    1. Andhra Pr"dcsb 27,084 7,355 19,729 2. Assam 25,702 693 2S,009 3. Bihar 67,665 74,12 60,253 4. Gujral 18,584 3,477 IS,I07 5. Ilaryana 6,669 3,525 3,144 6. Jammu & Kashmir 6,5S,) 763 5,796 7. Kcra'a I,S73 1,166 407 8. Madh. a Prade,1t iO,414 5,IS9 6S,2SS 9. Maharashtra 35,851 10,323 2S,S28 10. Mysore 26,377 6,642 19,735 II. Nagaland 814 50 764 12. Orissa 46,466 988 45,4711 13. Punjab 11,947 5,581 6,366 14. Raj.lSthan 32,241 2,515 29,726 IS. Tamil Nadu 14,124 9,531 4,593 16. Utlar Prade.h 1,12,624 15,697 96,927 17. West Bengal 38,454 2,728 3S,716 TOlal (Slates) ; 5,43,148 83,605 4,59,543 Un;on Territories 23,730 4,627 19,/03 Grand Total: 5,66,878 88,232 4,78,646 ----_.. _------159 Wrillen An, !feT.r JULY 29, 1970 Written Answers 160

    Grant of Licences to Export-oriented THE MINISIER OF DEFENCE Units (SHRI ) : (a) Tbere bas been no significant movement of Ihe 527. SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA; hostiles inlO East Pakislan recently. Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be Government are, however, aware pleased to state : thaI about 1200 Mizo and 50 Nasa bostiles bave laken sanctuary in East Pakislan siDce 1968. (a) whether any decision has been ta ken about the guidelines for grant of licences to export-oriented Units; (b) and (c). Protest Notes have becn loged with the Governmenl of PaListan on the assistance & support provided by them (b) if so, the details thereof; and I.> Ihese elemenls. Necessary sleps have alw been taken to prevenl the movement (c) if not, the reasons therefor and of these hostiles from and to Easl Pakistan. when sucb a decision will be taken? Electrification of Villages in Orissa THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIG N TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAK) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 529. SHRI CIlINTAMANI PANIGRHI : Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to slate : Tbe giudelines ror grant of licences to export oriented units have been finalised and announced by the Ministry of Industrial (a) whether any programme has been Development in a Press Note dated the 25th drawn up for the Fourtb Plan for rural July, 1970, a copy of wh;ch is laid on the electrificalion in Orissa and if so, tbe Table "f the House. (Placed in Library. See details tbereof ; No. L. T.-3760/70j (b) the number of villages to be electri- (c) Does not arise. fied in Orissa during 1969-70 and 1970-71;

    Escape of Rebel Mlzo, Nagas and Kuki (c) how many villages have been

    528. SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA; (d) the l1ames of lhe villages eleclrified SHRI OM PRAKASH TY AGI : in 1969-70 and 1970-71 year so far in Puri District in Orissa; and Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to State I (c) Ibe names of villages proposed to be electrified at lhe end of tbis year in (a) whether nearly fifteen hu ndred Puri Dislricl of Orissa and the steps being retels Mizo, Kuki and Nasa. have recently laken 10 accelerate the programme of rural escaped to East Pakistan ; electrification in Orissa?

    (b) If 10, Government's reaction THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE thereon ; and MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (c) tbe steps Government are takins to (a) During tbe Fourth Plan, rural eleclrifica- tighten the security ~ on tbe Indo- tion schemes will conlinue to be oriented Pak border to cbeck tbe eacape bid of with a bias towards energisation of pumpsets: bostiles in Pakislan 1 eleclrifiation of villages will be incidental 161 Wrlt16n A"swers SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) Written Answers 162 to the above programl1llo. In respect of 11. JagadaJpur Orissa, a provision has been made in the 12. Routarapur State Fourth Plan for ~ of 1500 13. Len do pumpsets. 14. Dibyasinghpur IS. Kalamati 16. BeDtapur Jagiri (b) and (c). 146 villages have heen 17. Adaspur electrifitd during 1969·70. Out of IBO lB. Gorual villages programmed to be electrified during 19. Saraswatlpur 1970·71, 21 villages have been eltctrified so 20. Laxminarayanpur far. 21. Bsjpur 22. Pratap RamachaDdrapur. (d) and (e). The information is given below: J n order to accelerate the progress of Names of Villages electrified in 1969·70 rural electrification schemes in Orissa with a bias lowards cDergisation of pUmPICIIl, the State authorities have been requested to I. PaDcharida.MaDpur prepare co.ordinated programmls. In addi· 2. Lenkudipada tion an outaly of Rs ..05 crores provided In 3. Paikbad the state Fourth Five Year Plan, auistance is 4. Mahul also heing provided by th' Rural Electrifica· 5. Pichukuli tion Corporation with funds from outside 6. Jadupur the State Plan for accelerating the rural 7. Berboi electrification schemes. So far the Rural B. Tandikera Electrification Corporation have &anctioned 9. Basudebpur Rs. 167'64 lakhs for electrification of 423 10. Kamasasan villages and 9205 pumpsets/tubewells in II. Godipalli Orissa. 12. Chadiapali 13. Budhipada Energl.atlon of left Irrlgatioa PolDts ID 14. Patharpada OrlSSD durlDg Fourlb Plan 15 • Jharapada J 6. RebaDanuagaon 17. Giringa. 5BO. SHRI CHINT AMANI PANIGRAHI: Will tho Minister of IRRIGATION AND Names of Vii/ages electrifi"d in 1970.71. POWER be plea>ed to slate:

    (a) whether any programme hu been I. Kural drawn to energise 1,500 lift irrigation 2. Rebra points in Orissa during the Fourth Plan ;

    Names of tM rest of tM Villagel proposed (b) If so, whetber it is a fact that this to be electrified In 1970·71. programme has been very alow in 1969.70 1970·71 ; and 1. Nalibana 2. Bharatipur (c) lisa, the progress 10 rar made and 3. Atharbhag tile reasons for the shortrall ? 4. Kapileswarpar S. Ranganlpatna 6. NatapooJ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 7. 01ak rllDlI_aar MINISTRY OF JRRIGATION AND POWER 8. Tirimal (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) 9. Benabanjari In the Fourth Five Year Plan of the 10. BiJiapada Ortlla State OoverDlDCDt, provitlon Ie made 163 Written AllSllers JULy 29, 1970 Written Aruwers 164 for the energisation of 1500 pumpsets! accordinilly utilisation of additional waten tubewells, is progressively increasing.

    (b) and (c). Only 63 pumpsets/tubewells (b) The total annual irrigation likely were energised in 1969-70. 180 pumpsets/ to be achieved in the Rajasthan Cannal tubewells are programmed to be energised area by the end of Fourth Five Year Plan in ~ The slow progre.s mainly due to would be about 7.0 lakh acres. constraint of financial resources for exten- ding tbe transmission and distribution Opening of New Auction Centre for tea networks in the rural areas. In order to accelerate the progress of rural electrifica- tion schemes in Orissa with a bias towards 533. SHRI SARDAR AMIAD ALI . energisation of pumpsets, the S tate authori- SHRI SAMAR GUHA I ' ties have been requested to prepare co- ordinated programmes. Assistance is Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE also provided by the Rural Electrification be plesed to state: Corporation with funds from outside the State Plans for accelerating the rural elec- trification schemes. So far the Rural (a) whether it is a fact that two new Electrification Corporation have sanctioned Tea Auction Centres are going to be opened Rs. 167.64 lakhs for electrification of 423 at Gauhati and Delhi; villages and 9205 pumpsets/tubewells in Orissa. (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and

    Irrigation Facilities to Rajasthan after (c) how far these two centres would Expiry of Indus Water Treaty affect adversely the Tea A uction Centre at Calcutta? 531. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPA- KAR: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE AND POWER be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI RAM SEWAK): (a) to (a) the additional irrigation facilities (c), Information is being collected and provided in the Rajasthan Canal after the will be laid on the table of the House. expiry of the Indus Water Treaty period; and

    (b) the total extra irrigation potential to be created during the Fourth Five Year Plan? 534. ~ ~ "AT : 1fl:IT ~ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE m lim ~ ifmit

    ~ ",Ii ~ if ~ already aware of the decline in eXport of our ("''' Jute goods, particularly sacking and hessian. ~ ~ : ("') I. :;ft;r "'T 'llmf The export of carpet backing cloth has also "') ~ 16,500 iflT ~ e- qf'Cf'" ~ shown a downward trend in recent months owing to a recession in U. S. A. It is ex. II<: ~ • ~ ~ ;;riff", ~ pected that tbe demand will pick up soon. iF ~ if

    ~~~~ 'lU ~ ~~ (a) wbetber he il conscioul of the filet 11', ~~ ~ • "" ~ tt", ~ '3ITWr I tbal our military personnel includln, the officers and jawans have to perform very bard duties in botb tbe Nortb Eastern and ~ ~ ~ ("I') 'I1ro1' II>'T "I'

    (d) if not, the reasons thereof? Doctors for JawBDI ID Forward Anu

    THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 537. SHRI BENI SHANKER MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI SHARMA: Will the MiniatCl of DEFENCE RAM SEWAK): (a) to (d). Government are be pleased to Itate : Written ~ JULY 29, 1!)'70 Written A_rs 168

    (a) whether the necessary number of Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased doctors fixed for every Brigade on duty in to state: forward areas are duly stationed WIth the jawans in such areas ; (a) whether it is a fact tbat the Associa. ted Cement Company is setting up cemellt (b) whether it is a fact tbat witb some plants in Syria; units serving in Kasbmir there are only two doctors in tbe place of sill:, tbe statutorily (b) if so, tbe details thereof; fixed number, causing great inconvenience to tbe jaW8D8 ; and (c) Tbe extent to wbicb India stands benefitted by this venture in earning foreign (C) if so, tbe reasons tberefor and tbe exchanlle ; and ateps taken to improve tbe pOSition ?

    (d) wbether Government also propose TIm MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to set up similar cernoot plants in foreign MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI countries and if 114 tbe details thereof ? NARENDRA SINGH MAHlDA) : (a) The number of doctors authorised for a Brillade depends on its composition. Doctors are THE DBPUTY MINISTBR IN THB also authorised for medical battalions and MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE filed hospitals wbich function in tbe (SHRI RAM SEW AK) ; (a) to (c). Yes, Brigade. Sir, Tbe Associated Cement Companies Ltd., have submitted an offer to Mis. Union of engineering and Cbemical Indus. (b) No, Sir. There is a deficiency in tries (UNICHEMl,Damascus, for the supply doctors in units deployed in Kasbmir, but of tbree cement plants to be set up at it is not as large as 6tf%. Damascus, Hama and Aleppo. Eacb will bave a capacity of 1000 tonnes per day. It (c) It is not feasible to fill up all posts is undertstood tbat several firms from of doctors autborised in a unit owing to Europe and Japan have also submitted overall shortage in tbe Armed forces Medi- offers, No decision has so far been taken cal Services. Priority, however, is given to on tbe tender. units in tbe field. Tbe deficiency of medical officers tn the Armed Forces Medical Sarvicca is mainly due to tbe overall shor· (d) Government of India has been tage of doctors in the country. encouraaing tbe export of technical know how and equipment for cement plants to be set up in foreign countries. An Indian firm The following steps have been taken to has recently won an international tender for improve the position :- setting up a cement grinding and packina plant to Kuwait. (I) Efforts for retlruitment bave been intensified. Import of Jute throuab S. T. C. (ill Terms and conditions of service incilldinil emoluments have been 539. SHRI R. K. BIRLA : Will the improved. Minister of FOREIGN 1 RADE be pleased to state: (ili) In suitable cases, officers are beinll , re-employed. (a) whether it is a fact that Government Setdnll up of cemeut Plauts in Syria bave decided to undertake more than 80 by A. C. C percent of India's imports through the State Tradina Aaencies b)' the end of this '38. SHRI R. K. BIRLA : Will tho year : 169 Wrillen Answers SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

    (b) if so, tbe details t!ereaf ; and (d) the number of projects which have not so far been completed, the details of such projects, the year in which they (c) the 0 lture of a& eocies to which were undertaken and the reasons for the import of jute will be enlt ~ aod wbat delay; and will be its effec on cultiva! on, manufactu. ren and export n ? (e) the steps which are beinl taken to get these projects expedited ? THE DEPU IT MINIS rER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN 'RADE (SHRI THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE RAM SEWAK) : (a) It is the policy of MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND PO- Governmeot to ,xtend pro.;ressively tbe WER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) scope of activiti, s of tbe State Trading (a) Yes, Sir. Allencies in impol. and expo rt trade. In accordance witb tbl. policy, i.nport and ex- port of a number of commodl'les have been (b) to (d). Since tbe Plans were Ini- canalised tbroullb S.T.C., M.M.T.G. and tiated, 78 major Irrilation Ichemel have otber State Alcnclcs. been taken up. Out of those, 16 major schemel, estimated to COlt about Rs. 211 crom at the time of aanctlon, have been (b) A list of it, ms wh( se import or completed. The rise in cost of these was export is canalised thro ugh 311 ncies is laid about Rs. SO crores. on tbe Table of tbe House. [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-. 761/7(' I 62 major schemes are conlinuinl in the Fourth Plan. These were estimated to cost (c) It is not pror 'sed to canalise Rs. 1381 crores. The State Governments have reported that they are now likely to import of raw jute tbroug'l a State agency at present. cost Rs. 2484 crores. A statement is laid on tbe Table of the House. [Placed In Library. See. No. LT-3762/70l. Increase in Constructlol· cost of Irrigation Proje[ Tbe main reason for the rise in costs bas been lack of adequate resources to construct the projects at the optimum rate 540. SHRI R. K. BIRI A : Will the of construction whicb is technologically Minister of IRRIGATION ANi' POWER feasible, leadiDI to a 10DI period of cons- be pleased to state :- truction during which costs of labour and material have rilen. (a) wbetber the ~ of Govern- ment bas been drawn to a nel's-item (e) Durinl the Fourth Plan, priority publisbed in tbe Time. 0/ Intiltl of th' 21st has been given to providing the maximum May 1970 in wbicb it is statd that delay possible allocations for continuinl schemes in tbe construction and completion 'f a on which appreciable progress bas been large number of major and medium i -ri- already made. lation projects in tbe country bas pusb)d up their cost by over Rs. 1,000 crores; Brltbb ArDil Suppl, to South Africa

    (b) if so, the details thereof; "'I. SHRI p.e. ADICHAN : SHRI D.N. PATODIA I (c) tbe number of projects, cost of SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA: construction of whicb bas pUlbed up, wben they were undertaken and "ben tbey Will \be MiDiater or EX'IB&NAL have been completed ; AiFAIRS be pIcaaed to ItaCe : 171 Written A_" JuLY 29, 1970 Written ~ 172

    (a) whether Government have taken THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE note of the U.K. Government's moves MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS following the rccent change in Govern- (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a). ment to resume arm! supplies to South Yes, Sir. Africa; and

    (b) and (c). Government of India have (b) if so, Government's reaction no evidence to link these unconfirmed thereto 7 reports with any motives to invade Bhutan or with recent minor Intrusions into that country. The Government are keeping the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE general situation under close watch. MINISTRY OF I:,xTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a). Yes, Sir.

    (b) Government have expressed their stronl disapproval of the intended British move to aell arms to South Africa, tho effect of which would be to reinforce the 543 . .n u"I'm '"" : racist regime of South Africa, and endanger ~ : peace and security in the Indian Ocean Q.. '4... (\ ~~ region. We have conveyed our serious .n .. : concern in this regard to the British Government. "lfT ~ ~ ~ ~ '1ft 'flIT ..,{It flf> : Tibetan Bulletin Published From Dalal Lama's Headquarters ( If» 'flfT ~ ~ qiJT ~ flf> ' ~ ~ ~ fmm the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : ~ ~ iii ~ iAT'fi<: ~ ~ t

    (a) whether Government's allention (l..'f) ~ \i:t, a1 'flfT ~~ ~ has been drawn to the Tibetan Bulletin ~~~~~~ published from Dalai Lama's headquarters m.: and qu oted in the Tribune of June 23, 1970 which s peaks of a war-hysteria created by the Chi neBe among the people of Tibet, (If) ~~ a1 'flfT ~ if ~ havinl divided all able bodied men between ~~~ [!!: ~ ~ the Slea IS to SO years into 7 militia Groups exhorting tbcm to be prepared to help ~ 'fi<: f;;ro; ~ ? the so·caIled 'People's Liberation Army' whenever a situation arises ; smm.r '"" (.n ~ ~ : (If» (b) whether theae reports are linked ~~~~ ~ ~ with reported preparations of China to '1ft fu1flftq ~ :;f\;f ..n- ~ ~ ~ iii' invade Bhutan and the Chinese intrusions into Bhutan ; and ~~~2~ 1968 it ~~~~~ ifm (c) GOWlI'lllDOllt'. ftIICtion tbereto ? 24 T"lf 1969 lIi\" ~ ~ I!i11f fro ~ g'i ~~tfr ~1 ~ i ~wi f ~ ~ ~~ ~i i m- t;: l !, ~ • ...I- ~~ If:': ".~ i ~~ ;' t ~~ ~~ ~~ !- n ! ~~~~~~~~~ "f ~~ ~ I ~ ~.j;' ~ :"t ~~ -:1 ~ i h IiH ; • ilHUlu ~~~- H H ~~ ~ '5; IE -Ii - ~"""' ~ ~ ! ~1i ~ ~LT ~- Er ~ ! r;' ~ 1'- ~~ 't:. 'Jii; 'I .. ~~ ~i !.! i t ~~ I>" ~t t! -i ~ ~! ~, dE:; ~It ~ ~ i ~ ~~~~:: Ii E"'::" £;! €;;, ~ ~ 19'11"fi ~~ d! ~ ~~ ~ ~ & ~.fi- ,j;; ! § ~t ~'if: i t ,..: ~ _ ~ ~ t1i i ~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~ !;; ~ ! I:; I;: 1£ ~~'" ~~~ t;: ~p' ~j Ijg ~m- ~J:: ~ ~ i If Ifo ~ ~ 1Ir_ - ~~ t!Ijg!'tJ ~ ~: t : _ ~ ~~ & ~~~ ~ ~ .1 ~ : t ~~i i ~t -i i ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~I li ~ ~ t i E i?LU ""r: ~1<, ~~~~ h ~ ~ ~ til" - I>' 1 11:, ~ ~ ~ ~10- (0:.; ~1': I>" "'" ~t " ~ ~~~~ ! ~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~~~ iit Ie; a7 S" i ~.. -I':".10' HI" m- -Ie;'- _IiI;" 11;1·..... tfr ~ nr,..~ ~ ~ ~ - i ':;:,t • ~-1l ~ - ill£! - ~ .fi- f If • ~ J E:t;! ~rid! i& ~i t ~~~~~~ 175 Written Answers JULy 29,1970 Wrl. tlln Answers 176

    ~ iFf ~~ ~ ~ ;r;r am ~ " iii) ~ ~ iT. ~ '1ft ~ ~ ~ fili ~ qrf'lim'f ~ l'fCI'- w..rr ~ ~ it ~ T 'iffi

    (a) whether the Ce .Iral Bureau of Investigation has started i quiry into some 546. 'Ift"Ol( ~ ~ : allegations against a sittinr Member of Lok Sabha elected from Calcutl ; ~ ~

    ~ qo "0 smR : (b) if so, when exa :tly the C.B.1. ~~ ... mttn: started inquiry ; ~ ~ .... afd&i: (c) the nature of all gations the said Member of Parliament; al d IfllT ~ ~ +i'lfT ~

    (;r) ~ ~ ~ ~ W i!im!f at (c) In the iDtereat of InvestilatioD, it ~~~~~~ ~ would Dot be desirable to disclose this fiI;it "I"f.r ttiT ~ t ? informatioD at this ltalO.

    (d) Thll II an Intric Ie and dl1Iicult ~ IQ1'm '""'"' if ~ cue, iDvolvins the ClI8IIIiD tiOD of about ~ ~ ~ (Iti) ~ (;r). ~ a thousaDd doeumeDti aDd J 16 wiID.BeII. 177 Wrillen Answers SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Written A".Jwtrs 178

    British Firm's OlTer oC Assistance to (b) whether the trade protocol for Indiaa to migrate to India 1970-71 for expanding the volume of trade betwccn India Bnd U.A.R. has been signed by the U.A. R. Minister of Economy who 548. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: Will participated in the meeting; and the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleas( d to state : (c) what additiona! advantages arc likely to accrue to India as a result of the (a) whether the attention of Minister meeting 1 has been drawn to tbe news regarding offer of £ 1000 and a free trip to Delhi, by a THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Briti,h firm to e3ch immigrant of Indian MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI origin; if so, the number of immigrants RAM SEWAK): (al The Ministerial level "bo bal'e taken advantage of the offer: discussions that took place in Delhi between India aDd the U.A,R. from the 7th July, 1970 onwards related to tbe bilateral trade (0) whether Government have taken agreement existing tet wn India and the any steps to negotiate with the Government U.A.R. of U. K. for not forcing immigrants to come to India like this; and (b) the Broad outlines for Trade protocol for 1970-71 were agreed during the (c) the re"ction of Govcrnment of ministnial meeting and a trade protocol U.K. on the I.,dian protest? is expected to be signed shortly, at Cairo.

    THE DLPUTY MINISTLR IN THE (c) It is hoped that during 1970·71, the MINISTRY OF EXTLRN,\L AFFAIRS trade between the two countries will be of (SHRI SURLNDRA PAL SINGH): (a) the order of Rs. 780 million as compared to The Government is not aware of any such £10 miliJon in 1909-70, elfer. However its allention has been drawn to a cartoon on 'Enoch Powdl and Stateless Indian. In U.K Jail Sons offering £ 1000 and a free trip to Delhi to each immigrand desirous of leaving 55<', SHRI BHAGADAN DAS : the British Isles. SHRI K. RAMANI : SHRI SATYA NARAIN SIr-;GH: (b) and (c). Do not arise. SHRI B. K. MODAK : SHRI P. p. ESTHOSE :

    Trade Agreemeot with U.A.R. aod Yugosla,la Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state; 549. SHRI S.C. SAMANTA: Wil! the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be p!cased (a) whetber a larlle number of Stateless to state: Indians arc in jail in lI, K. ; (b) if so, what is tbeir number; and (a) the details of ~ arrived at with the Governments of Yugoslavia and (c) whether Government propose to U.A R. to promote greater cooperation take up their cue with U,K. Government? among tbe three countries (India, U.A.R. and Yugoslavia) in the spbere of foreign trade custom, reblte in certain commo- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE dities' and jOiDt projectS as d i.cu,sed duriog MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS the meetinll at ministerial level held in (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) to NewDelhi from 7 July. 1970 than words ; (c). NecCisary enquiries arc beinl made 179 Wrjtten ~ JULY 29, 1970 Writtell Answers 18) and the information will be laid on the (3) "hether it is a fact that even before Table of the House. the taking over of the temporary charge of the Home Ministry by the Prime MlOister Amount to be spent during the Fourth Plan the Chief of Military Intelligence Central for Development of Calcutta Intelligence lIureau and Bureau of' Criminal Investigation had started reporting to the 551. SHRI BHAGABAN DAS : Prime Minister directly; SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : SHRI B. K. MODAK : (b) whether the Prime Minister proposes SBRI D. N. PATODIA : to hold ch3rge of these Intelligence agencies, SHRI SAMAR GUHA: formcly under the Home Ministry, per- nwncntly as the Prime Minister even after Will the PRIME MINISTER be plea,ed the Home Ministry has been transferred to to state: some other M

    (a) \\ hether it is a fact a sum of (c) whether she h:ts also decid"d to rupees onc hundred and fifty crorcs will he tuke over permanently Revcnue Intelligence spent curing the Fourth Five Year Plan and the Direc'orate of Enforcement, period for the development of Calcutta formerly alwa) s under the Finance Metropolitan planning area: M·nistry;

    (d) whether she has also decided to take (b) if w, on ,.hat items tbi, alr.ount is over perwnnel administration formerly going to be sPt'nt and the total amount under the IIome Ministry ; and plovided for '

    (e) whether she will continue to hold (c) whether the scheme has been in- charge of CSIR and rese:,rch institutions cluded in tl:e Fourth Five ~ Plan as under the CSIR through the Cabinet finally approved by the NDC ; and Secretariat?

    (d) if not, the reasons therdor ? THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER Or ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF TilE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTU{ HOMB AFF ..\IRS AND MINISTER OF OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINIS1ER OF PLANNING (SIIRIMATl INDiR-\ HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF GANDHI) : (a) No, Sir. PlANNIl\G \SHRIMAll INDIRA GANDHI) :(a) to (d). A tentative provision (b) The C.hief of r,lilitary Intelligence uf Rs. 2~ crores has been made in the is under the administrative control of tbe State's Fourtb Pian for the devetopment of Ministry of Defeoce. The Intelligence the Ca'culla Metropolitan areas. In view of Bureau and the Central Bureau of Investi- the urgent need for the development of gltion are under the Ministry of Hom e Calcutta Metropolitan aleas ; certain de- Affairs. 1 be Central Bureau of Iovesti- cisions have been taken which will enable galion is proposed to be placed under the oUllays on programmes su<.:h as water newly created DepJrtment of Personnel in supply, sewerage, transporl, housing etc. 10 t he Cabinet Secretariat; the other two be stepped up significantly outside the Plan. would continue to remain under tbe Details arc being worked out. administrative control of their respective Ministries. ',fairing Over of Department by P.M, from otller Ministries (c) The Directorate General of Revenue Inte1lisence and the Directorate of ~2 SHRI MADHU L1MAYE I Will Enforcement have been integrated with the the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Central Bureau of Invest igat ion since their work is closely related and iDtclration will ltate : 181 Writ/1m ~ SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) 182

    obviate duplication of effort. The COl Export of Mica which is presently in the Ministry of Hom· Affairs is intended to be transferred to the 554. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: Will Departmcnt of Personnel under tbe Cabinet the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be Secretriat because investigation of com- pleased to state : plaints rehting to public servants is one of its primary responsiblities. (a) whether Government's attention has been drawn to the fall in exports of (d) Department of Personnel is in the mica; Cabinet Secretariat now. (b) if so, whether this is due to the (e) The C. S. I. R. is a subj ct under large scale diversion of Indian mica through the Department of Scientific and Induslrial Nepal; and Reserach which is in the Cabinet Secrelariat. (cl if so, tbe steps taken by Govern. ment to stop tbis ? Forged Recommendation on the Travel Documents of Mr. Mirza THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Hazl Kuli Mastan MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRr RAM SEWAK): (a) There bas been no decline in the export of mica from India. 553. SHIH MADHU L1MAYE: Will The total exports of mica during 1969-70 the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be were 24'25 lakh Kgs. valued Rs. 17.47 pleased to state: Crores as against 2095 lakh KIIS. valued Rs. IS,S croTeS in 1968·69. (a) whether it is a fact that the Govcrnnor of Bihar has in a letter to a (b) and (c). Do not arise, Member of Parliament Plimc Minisler said that the recommendation of the then Import of Synthetic Yarn Governor of Gujarat to Mr. Mirza Hajj Kuli Mastan, of Bombay, for travel documents, was a forged recommfndation ; 555. SHRI MADIIU L1MAYE: Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased so state : (b) If so, whether the Central Gover - ment and the present Governor of Bihar would jointly prosecute Mr. Mastan for (a) whether any schrme bas been forgery; and formulated for the import of synthetic yarn against export of sugar; (c) whetber Government's attention has been drawn to tbc likelihood of Mr Mastan (b) if so, the details thereof; being released on hail ?

    THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) the scheme which has been drawn MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS up for tbe distribution of the imported (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) yarn ; Yes, Sir.

    (b) The matter is being lOOked into (d) whether supplies of tbis yam will be related to tbe actual consumption and export commitment ; and (c) Hi. application for hail was posted for hearing in the High Court on the 28th July, 1970 and was to be contestrd by tbe (e) if not, the reasons for not doing Customs autborities. this 7 183 Written Answers JULY 29, 1970 Written Answers 184

    THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) whether it is a fact that the MINISTRY OJ' FOREIGN TRADE (SURI Birla-owned Zenith Steel Pipes Ltd. is a RAM SEWAK): (a) to (e). The State regular supplier of pipes to the U.S. forces Trading Corporation has been permitted to and the Saigon regime in South Vietnam: import polyester filament yarn as well as some other items to enable it to make up the loss snffered on export of 50,000 tonnes (b) if so, the total quantity exported; of raw sugar on a barter basis. The and pattern of distribution is yet to be finalised by the S.T.C. (c) the foreign exchange earned there. from per year 1 QuItting nf Commonwealth because of Racialist Policy of Tories THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 556. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Will the Minister Dr eXTERNAL RAM SEWAK) : (a) No steel pipes are AFFAIRS be pleased to state: being exported from India to South Vietnam. (a) whether because of the victory of the Tories in the las t General Elections (b) and (c). Do not arsie. in Britain, India is planning to quit Ihe Commonwealth of Nations; Target for creating Emploympnt (b) if so, when; and Opportunities during Five Year Plan Fourth

    (c) if not, the reasons therefor, speci. ally in view of the racialist policy of the 558. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Will Tories? the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) (a) why, unlike the 1st, 2nd and 3rd No, Sir. Five Ycar Plans, no target for creating employment opportunity has been set in (b) Does not arise. the Fourth Five Year Plan, 1969-74 ; and

    (e) The Conservative Party have (b) why, unlike the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rejected the extreme racist policies preached Five Year Plans, no estimate of the extent by some of their members like Mr. of unemployment and under.employment Enoch Powell. Although they are inclined at the end of 1968.69 has been given in the to follow a restrictive policy in regard to Fourth Fi ve Year Plan ? permancnt large-scalc immigration inlO Britain, they will not force coloured immi· THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF grants already settled in Britain to leave, ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF HOME We should judge them by what they do in AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF PLANNING mat.ters of race rather than by what some (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) of them say. (a) and (b). Attention of the Hon'ble Memter is invited to paragraphs. 22'13 to Export of Pipes 22'16 of the Fourth Five Year Plan docu· ment, "hich let out in detail the reasons 557. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : why no attempt had been made in the Will the MIDisttf of FOREIGN TRADE Fl'urth Plan docuto present daIS on the lines be pleased to state: followed in the previous Plans. 18S Wrltfnl Answers SARWANA 7. 1892 (SAKA) Written Answers 186

    Pattern of Staff and Expenditure Incurred (d) if answer to Part (b) above is in by Each Embassy the negative, the reasons therefor?

    559. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI N. SHIVAPPA : MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDA): (a> and (b), Ins Vikrant carries fighter Will the Minister of EXTERNAL bomber aircraft and some helicopters. The AFFAIRS be pleased to state: former have a strike role. The latter are primerily intended for reconnaissance action (a) names of the countries with which against submarines and for sea air India bas diplomatic relations through rescue. exchange of (1) Ambassadors. (2') High Commissioners, and (3) Charge'd The helicopters are all modern. The AfT.lirs ; fighter bomber aircraft are .till effective despite their age. None of them is obsolete;

    (b) names of· each Ambassador, (c) and (d). The Government are Ch3rg" d' AfTlirs and High Commissioner; considering the rcpl.cement of tbe fighter bomber, ircraft by new purcbase. (c) Actual cxpenditue incurred by each embassy in 1968.69, and revised Engine for HF·24 AIrcraft estimate for 1961·70 and budget provision for 1970·71; and 561. SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased (d) total staff, officers as well as to state: employees, Indians as well as non·lndia", separately, working under each embassy at (a) whcther it is a fact that Government the moment? have approved an engine manufactured by some Western counery for the indisenou,ly THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE designed Combat Aircraft HF·24; MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (b) if so, the operational capability of (a) to (d). A statement is placed on the the engiDc approved by Government; Table of tl C House. [Placed ill Llabrary. See No. LT-3763/70] (c) whether any agreement bas been arrived at with the firm concerned either Replacement of Aircraft on for building the engine in India or for the ~ Cllrrier Vlkrant acquiring the sam, from the firm by Government; and 560. SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (d) if so, the details tbereof? state: THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCB (a) whether it i. a fact that the pre· PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY sent aircraft on the aircraft-carrier Vikrant OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. C. SETHI): have become obsolete; (a) No, Sir. (b) to (d). Do not arise. (b) if so, whether Government I'roposc to replace these obsolete aircrafts with .. Azad Kashmir" Moycmeat modern ones; 562. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the (e) if so, the stel's taken by Govern. Minisecr of EXTERNAL AFPAIRS be ment in tbis reprd ; and pleased to state : 187 Written An8Werl JULY 29,1970 Written Answers 188

    (8) whether Government have taken in laid on tbe Table of the House. [placed note of the" Azad Kashmir" movement in In Library. Set. No. LT-3764/70]. Pakistan·occupied Kashmir" ; and ~ it ~~ ~ 1969 if; ~ (h) if so, the details thereof? if ~~~ if ~~ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (l'IIfI .-ql ~ ~ MINISTRY OF EXTI:.RNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) ~ ~ Government have seen press reports to this 564. 'If a)q : effect. I!olf uq 'TllfT<'S ~ :

    (b) The so·called J & K plebiscite '!lIT ~~~ lfiTtf ~ ~ ~ ;f,'T Front for P.O.K. Pakistan. adopted a reso- lution in March, 1970, which took the line 'PTT ~ fif. : that the only ideal alternative to the demand of self·determination was to declare J & K (if.) m1:i'i ~ ~ as an independent state with a neutral it it Tf1 character. Some other individuals like ~ it ~ i'i4T

    Foreign Secrclary's li,il to USSR ~~ ~ : (if.) "All: (ror). c:q 1947 it ~~ 'l;li-.: <11:[1 if, ~ 'i

    (b) if so, the purpose of the visit: and ~ 9,239,000 9,379,000

    THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Security Arrangements Or BbutBB Borders MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 565. SHRI HIMATSINGKA : (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) SHRI LAKHAN LAL Yes, Sir. KAPOOR: (b) To exchange views with the S('viet Will the minister of DEFENCE be Foreign office on questions of mutual pleased to state: interest. (a) whether the Chief or the Army Staff (c) A copy of the joint press statement visited the border aness of Bhutan during 189 Writtell Answers SRAVANA 1, 1892 (.::'.1r(A) Written .4l1SWefl 190

    May, 1970 following the visit to these areas Will the Minlstar of FOREIGN TRADE be by the President of India and tbe Minister pleased to state ; of External Alfairs ; (a) the number of recommendations m&de by the Coir Board during the last tW;l (b) what was the appraisal about the years; military security arrangements on Bhutan borders; aDd (b) the number of recommendations accepted and implemented by Government; (e) what further steps have been or are being tahn to reinforce the security (c) the number of recommendations re- arrangements on these borders? jected by Government ;

    THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (d) the number of recommendations JAGJlWAN RAMI: (a) The Chid of (he pending with Government for final de- Army Staff visited Bhutan flOm 24th to cision; 25th May 1970, at the invita:iun of His Majesty the KiDg of Hhutan. (e) the nature of recommznda(ions accepted ; and (b) and (c). Necessary measures exist to safeguard the security of Bhutan, (f) the nature of recommendations re- jected and the reasons therefor ? Re.ision of Treaty with Slkkim and Bhutan for Bordor Protection THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI 566. SHRI HIMATSINGKA : Will the RAM SEWAK); (a) 38 M;nister of LXTLRNAL AFFAIRS bo pkased to state: (b) 10 (a) whether the Govcrnmwt of Sikkim and !ihutan have been insisting for the (c) le'ision of "greements with IndIa for pro- teclion of their borders; (d) 25

    (b) if so, the precise demands proposed (e) The recommend.tions related to by these kingdoms and the decisions taken expDT( assistance. market survey. abroad, in this regard; and cost of raw materiais. development or coir indus: ry in the Fourth Plan Period, and (e) the details of the la(est .rrang.:- certain administrative matten. ments?

    (f) One of the proposals related to THE DEPUl Y MINiSTER iN THE special assistan;;e to coir producers by way MINISTRY OF EXfERNAL AFFAIRS of providing implements on hire-purcha.e (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SiNGH):

    Fixation of Seniority or ex-emergency rioary Corps, the reduci ion is made to give Commissioned Officers Ilnd Regular an advantage 10 those who qualify for the Commissioned Officers grant of Commission at the first attempt.

    568_ SHRI P_ VISWAMBHARAN: ~ ;i,ft itil ~ 1f[3IT Will the Minister of DEFENCE be ~ to state: 569. ~ ~~ ~ : 'fll'T ~~.. lti'rtf ~ 1l'i'[ ~ ;f.t iO'lT 'i:Tij- f ~ !.f1oITif (a) wbelher it is a fact that there are two different standards for the fixation of ;i?fr 'for i'[T <1 'for l1R:r!11'tT lll"fT if, ~~ seniority of Ex-Emergency Commissioned ~ ~ if, 'fr'Cf ij''f''iT

    Necessary relief measures and rescue (c) the provisions in the comin!! census operations are being undertaken by tbe for recording UDemployment and the diffi- State Governments culty in providing a column in tbe enumera- tion statement to show the average number of daily bours of work of eacb adult: Witbdraw.1 of Recoanltlon to Indian Military Llasion Group In Kathmandu (d) wby sample surveys are not made alongside of tbo COIIIUI in representative 571. SHRI SITARAM KESRI: Will arou; and be Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be plealed to state : (e) wbether Government are afraid or disclosure of tbe dimensions of unemploy- (a) whetber the Governnient of Nepal ment 1 have recently withdrawn the recognition to tbe Indian Military Liaison Group in THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER Katbmandu; OF ATOMIC ENERGY. MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and PLANNING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b). No, Sir. In the !ilht (e) whether India propose to withdraw of the findings of the Committee of Experts Military Liaison Group from Kathmandu 1 on Unemployment Estimales (Dantwala Committee), it ~ been considered that the presentation of such estimates on the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE lines hitherlo followed will not be meanin'l- MINISTRY OF EXTERNRL AFFAIRS fuI and may also be misleading, either as a (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) portrayal of the real situation or as a No, Sir. basis for purposes of interpretation alld policy. (b) The question does not arise. (e) The Censns or India provides lor tbe collection of information on the statup (e) As the work for which the Indian of a person as a worker or non-worker, Military liaison Group went to Kath- witb reference to his main activity (divided mandu, at tbe request of His Majesty's into various categories) and tbe prescribed Government, bas now come to an end, the reference period. In addition. inforll1ation Group will shortly be withdrawn. is also obtained on tbe nature af industry or trade, description of work, rural/urban Aaseasment of Uaemployment residence, educational level. age and sex. The data so collected is tabulated with 572. SHRI LOBO PRABHU reference to different variabies, such as Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to rural/urban reaidence, industry, education refer to the reply liven to Starred question and aile. Nn. 1469 on 6th May, 1970 and state: In an extensive nation wide operation

    U. of Books of Cloaed American THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cultaral Centres MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDAl: No 573. SHRI LOBO PRABHU : Will the statistics of recruitment on the basis of Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be hereditary occupation are maintained. pleased to state; (b) and (cl. The requisite details are not the use to which the books in the resdily available, and are being ascertained, American Cultural Centres which have been closed down have been put; and (d) No.

    (b) what alternative sources for reading Esport of Hair Government have arranlcd for thc thousands who used these Centres? 575. SHRI LOBO PRABHU: Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE pleased to state : MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) It (a) the loss arisinll from Will India is for the U.S. Embassy to decide as to which is now to be diversified ; what use the books in tbeir former cultural centres sbould be put to. (b) the fC8S0ns for canalisallon of hair (b) Universities, educational institutions exports through the Slato Tradioa Corpora- and public libraries have arrangements to tion when shipments are subject to compul- meet the needs of Ibe student community sory quality control and other floor prices and the public. are no loDger enforced ;

    Recralt_t 01 Flobermea In South (c) how private export can expand whan Kaaaaa DIIIl. to the Naff the State Tradioll Corporation delays ship- menll, absorbs secret information, IdOl a 574. SHRI LOBO PRABHU : Will tbe commission of I per cenl and a deposit of Mloiater of DEFENCE be pleased to ltate : 10 per cent Bnd pins thereby an advantaae as canaliler in favour of its role as aporter ; (a) the number of fishermen 10 the and 197 Written AnNen SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Wrlt/e" A_rs 198

    (d) the details of exports of the State bad condition and cannot provide proper Trading Corporation and of private exporters accommodation, teaching staff etc; durin, the last three years ? (b) if so, whether Government propose THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE to ~ tbem to the State Governments MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI concerned in which they are situated, educa- RAM SEWAK): (a) The loss amounted to tion beinl a Sta te subject; and Rs. S2.S4 lakhs in 196970. (c) If not, the reasons tberefor and (b) The canali , .. ,ion of export of human whetber Government propose to set up a hair through State Trading Corporation is Committee to enquire into tbe running of intended to prevent unllQltby competition tbe Cantonment Boards and for tho among exporters; to rellulate export prices amendmont of tbe Cantonment Board Act and to alSist in development of trade in wbich has become outmoded ? buman bair which is facins competition in f(lreiSn markets from otber suppliers as well THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE as synthetic products. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDA: (a) No, (c) There have been no delays in ship. Sir. ment oC human bair by S.T.C. As reprds a deposit of 10%, it is kept only in cases wbere th.re bave been claims from foreign (b) and (c). Do nOI arise in view of buyers in the past. Tbis enables the S.T.C. answer at (a) above. to meet the claims from foreign buyers expeditiously. In cases wbere tbe foreign buyers accept the Inspection Certificates, full payment is made immediately against documents. The commission of 1 per cent is cbarged by the S.T.C. to meet their out 577. '" ~ Iq: IflfT ••~ of pocket expenses. anm ~ ~ ~ '1ft Ii'f{ rn fit; :

    (d) Exports made by State Tradinll Corporation and private exporters during the (lIl) "" ~ iti ;:n'lf IflfT ~ IBlI three years were as follows :- ~ ~ ~ ~ lilT ~ lIlT ~ f.f.lrT ~ t 1 Rs. In /okhs. \967·68 1968-69 1969·70 ('!f) 'fCf ffi;r 1f!fl if ~ ~ it ~ ~ 1!U m(f 'Wi) ; qn: Exports made by S.T.C. (Wi, ('f) if7fI ~~ l!lI ~ ~ l!lI 62.:;4 53.S7 20.31 India) f'fl1Rr 0lfIlf1'.: ~ ~ f'f1f1f !tiT ~ Private Parties 107.6f.I 678.08 46S.IO lIlT ~ qR lift ~ Cfr ~ ~ l!lIWf ~ ?

    S76. SHRI ~ RAJ; Will tbe ~ III1'In '""'"' if nwhft Mlnilter of DEFENCE be pleased to state: {15ft' '{t1f wq-) : (!ti) ~ iti ~ ~ 'fT1I" ~ ~ ~ ~ (a) wMtber It it a fact that most of tbe CBDtoolMDt Board Scbools are running in a ~ 199 Written Answer$ JULY 29, 1970 Wrlttell Allswer$ 200

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    m if ~ ~ ~~ Tnstallatlon Of A LIft At Red Fort ~ 800 ~ 'IT I ~ ~ iF 581. SHRI MRITYUNJAY PRASAD: ~ ~ ~ if mil" if ~ iIil ;w.rr Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased ~~ ~~~ to state;

    (a) whether the news report published (oq) ~ ~ ~ $ ~ under the heading 'Uft for Indira' in tbe 'March of Nation' of J 3th June, 19;0 is ~ ~ ~ if eh"f

    THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (a) whether it is a fact that the first JAGJIWAN RAM); (a) to (d). A intimation received of the release of Dr. hoist lift was installed near the Telo Mascarenhas from Lisbon Jail was staircase lending to the Rampart of through a letter written by Dr. Mascarenhas the Red Fort for use by the invitees for to his wife in Panaji; whom sealing arrangements were made on the Rampart in connection with Indepen- (b) whether Government have made dence Day Ceremonies from 1965 to 1968. any subsequent enquiries into the delay in Subsequently, it was decided that a ~ getting official intimation thereof; and lift with improved safety devIces should be installed and the work is in progress. The estimated cost of the project is about RI. (c) if so, the result thereof 1 2 lakhs. The Annual expenditure on main- tenance and depreciation of the lift will be about Rs.2, SOO/-. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXfERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURE:-lDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Yes Sir. The first intimation recei- ved by Government of the release of Dr. Telo Mascarenhas from Portuguese Prison 582. '" ~ smR : ro was tbrough press rep;)rts, wbich were pre- smmn sumably based on his letter to his wife. ltll'T ~ ~ iIil !i'IT ~ f'fi" ;

    (b) No, Sir. There was no delaY in ('fi") ~ if ~ ~ flt;;r-flfi'lf obtaining official intimation of the release of ro;ff ~ ~ ;;rr ~ ~ Cf'fT ~ ~ lOr. Masearcnbas. J 'fi"T ~ rn ~ ~ ~ 'I'lf'h: ltr.ff (C) Does not arise. 'fi"T 'TOif rn iii m if 'm f;rQ ~ m 203 Written Anlll'flrS JULY 29. 1970 Written AlI.rWrs 204

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    (10) ~~ ire ~ ~ 584. ~ ~ ~ ,,1fT m..-rf ~ ;;IT ;rn: ~ ~ " t'I1n mr.i'I' ~ ~ ~ 'Ii't 1m ~ ifitl fifi:

    (,.;) ~~ ~ ~ ;rllO iii ;n1f !flIT ~ ~ ~~ if ;;r.r!fiT ~ ~~~~~ 583. ~ ~ OR : ,,1fT "tm. Ifim ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ m lI"lrr ~ ~ ~ 1m ;rlit fit; : ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ If ~ n ~~~~~~~~ (Ifi) .,-0 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ q;r ~ ~ ('11") ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ snmff !fiT Ifln ~ f.:A;<;rr ~ ; f,.;a.rr ;;r.r Iflt('f ~ ~ 'Ifrn'f m<: '1If'fIfTtr rn iii ~ ~ if ~ if ~~ ~ 'fft- (IT) q;r CflI; ~ ~ ~ 0lPl" ~ ~ ";f ITt ~ ~ qro:"Il "fTIIT t ? 'Ii't ;;wfIfT ?

    m.rt t'I1n finI. ~ Qmq if ~ Qm; !filii Qmq if ~ ~ ~ ~~ (,.;) m<: ('11"). ~ ~ (,.;) '11<: ('11"). ~ ~ 'IlTm ~ ~ ~ it ~ ~~~ ~~ m ~ Ifl:!m'If (;mrn: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ilf ~ fifi ~ filf ~ II>'t

    ~ 'Iil qlifmr f!fo1ff '11fT ~ I fW! concrete measures are undertaken tberefor? ~ ij'f" ~ itflflfm- ~ ~ f'fi",! ~ 10 CfI'f ~ nJlT m<:T T mlRfif in the public interest to disclose the propor· tion of payments made in term! of rupee ~~ ~ 330 <'11'@ ~ 1J:O ~ I and foreign currencies or tbl" payments to be made by tbe end of the Fourth Five Year Plan for procurement of stores from abroad ~ ~ ;;r;;r ~ ~ ('I) q: 'Mi and internal resources, but as already explai- ~ f<;rQ; 'i11fTf;;ro- ~ q: ~ ~ ned in answer to question No. 2498 on 3-12-1969, tbe percentage of procurement for ~ ~ Olfrn ~ 'I''I\'f f<'f'l;, the Defence services from internal produc. ~~~~~ ~~ tion haa been increasina al a aianificant ~ ~ ~~~~ rate. ~~ o:n: Olfrn ~ m<: ~ (c) Self·sufficiency in defence Production ~ ~ o:n: !fofll' 'f"f ~ ~ I ~ ;;r;;r is a continuing process. It has been the effort of the Government to utilise every I.'l"f1' fcm}! W1fT'T it tir'f Offlci!fo)

    (a) what proportions of the amounts (a) whether a representation aplnst of payments made in 1948-49, in 1956-57 misappropriation undtr the Embankment and In 1968·69 was in terms of rupee and and Drainage Department of Flood Control specific foreign currencies ; Wing at Dhimajee and North Lakhimpur DivisioDi of Allam Stale was received by (b) the estimate of payment to be made him; by the end of the Fourth Five Year Plan in terms of Indian rupee or foreign curren· (b) whether tbat representation was cies for tbe purchase of stores, equipment addressed jointly by Secretaries of the etc., for defence needs ; and District Units of the G.P.I. Kisan Sabha. Studenl8 Federation and Youth Federation (c) the time limits for attainlnl self- of Dhimajee and North Lakhimpur Dislrict 1IU1flcleDcy in Defence production aDd wllat etc. ; aDd 209 SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) W,I"." ~ 210

    (e) if 10, action taken lIIereon ? estimated expenditure for tbe Icheme II only Rs. 2 crores ; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND (d) whether the Central Oovel'llmeat POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- have approved the said Scheme ., SAD) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) Tbe representation has been for- MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION & POWER warded 10 the Government of Assam for (SHRI SIDDESHWAR PRASAD): (a) to furnishing their comments. (d). Jalpaiguri Town Proteclion Scheme, Phase I, was implemented in 1955-56. The Hon'ble Member apparently refen to Phase Broadcasts from Radio Peace and Progress, II of the scheme. A skeleton report of tbe USSR Jalpaiguri Town Protection Scheme-Phue II, was sent by the Government of West 587. SHRI C.K. BHATTACHARYYA : Dengal to the Central ~ and Power SHRI RAM SEWAK YADAV: Commi.sion in June, 1970. The scheme, estimated 10 cost Rs. 150 I&khs, was con- Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL sidered by the State Technical Advisory AFFAIRS be pleased to stale whetber the Committee al its m(eting beld on 27th June, Government of India have aceepted the 1970. Afler tbe inclusion of .ome addi_ claim that Radio Peace and Progress of the lional items by tbe State Technical AdvllOry Soviet Union is autonomous and does Crmmittee it was expCct'ed tbat the COlt not necessarily reflect the views of the might go up to Rs one crole el.hty lakha. U.S.S.R. ? It was decided by the Committoo to scad the scheme for examination by the Central Waler and Power Commission. "fhe nNlrlpt THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of the scheme which hal been stated to be MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS despatched is awaited. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): We bave accepted the view of tbe Soviet Government tbat Ibe Radio Station Peace Supply of Ajoy Water from Bihar to and Progress is an autonomous body and West Bengal does not necessarily reflect the views of the Government of the USSR. 589. SHRI C.K. BHATTACHARYYA: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to state: JalpalgurJ Town Protection Scheme West Bengal (a) wbether tbere is a controvol'lY IIIC- 588. SHRI C.K. BH A.TTACHARYYA : ween the Governments of West Henpl and Will the ~ of IRRIGATION AND Bihar over tbe supply of Ihree hundre4 POWER be pleased to State; culecs of Ajoy water to West Beopl. accordin. to a previolls agreement: (8) whttber it ~ d fact that Government of West Benpl bave sent tn the Central (b) wbether tbe Government of Bihar Government a scbeme ror tbe Protection of bas ~ to act according to the a.ree- Jalpaiguri Town against inundation by ment; aod Kerala river, known as Jalpailluri Town Protection Scheme Pbaae I ; (c) wbetber tbe denial or Ajoy water Is hampering the extension or the acera., of (b) wbetmr It i. also a fact that ,ahe Rabi crop. in lower ))amodar area ? State Tecboical Committee has already liveo tecluIical approval to the Scbeme ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION cl POWER (c) wbotber It is al80 a fact that the (SHIll SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD I (a) 211 ~ AnsK¥Jrs JULy 29, 1970 ~ ~ 212 and (b). Tbe Tenullhat Dam on the POWER be bloased to slate : Darnodar was originally intended to be CQD;lp!eted in two stages, the first stage (a) the number of Power Enaines pur- providing for a storage necessary for a chased by the Government of Manipur for release of 600 cUsecs and the second stage the Electricity Department, Manipur durina for a storage capable of releasing 900 the current year ; cusecs. At that time it was anticipated $at the whole of the 600 cusecs would be utilised by the Bokaro Steel Plant and (b) the total kilowatt power of the Engines, engine-wise; ancil1iary industries and a Power House in West Bengal. A fUrther 300 cuseca which could be made available after the comple- (c) the total expenses incurred in tion of the second stage could be utilised dismantling the Engines, engine-wise; by Bihar after providing for a diversion of a corresponding amount of water into the (d) expenses incurred in transportina lower reaches of Damodar from the Suber- them to ImphaJ, engine-wise; nareka or the Ajay. (e) expenses incurred in installing the , Later on, during construction stage, it engines at Leimakhong and Imphal Power ·was· decided to carry the dam structure up House; and tD a level which would maintain a storage corresponding ~ a release of 470 cusecs aDd then to iQstall gates on that structure (f) whether the work of dismantling' in order Jo. provide for high=r amounts of and installing them are done departmentally storages ·required. The gates ShOUld be so and if so, the details thereof? . operated that the maximum storages corres- ponding to a discharge of 900 cusecs COUld, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE if desired be obtained. This amendment MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER in the programme of construction was made (SHRI SIDDHESWAR PRASAD); (a) bec.a.use it was found that the intake of the to (fl. The required information is Bok&ro Steel plant and the power house being co lIected from the Manipur Govern- would be less than what was originally ment and will be laid on the Table of the contemplated. House as loon as it is COllected.

    Difference of opin ion has arisen between West Bengal and Bihar Governments in that Strength of Electricity Department of the former Government wants the Bihar Manlpar Govemmeat Gpvernment immed iately to undertake the investigalion and construction of a project 591. SHRI M. MEGHACHANDRA; . 'tor the diversion of '00 cusecs of water Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND from Ajay and or Subernareka in the lower POWER be pleased to state; reaches of Damodar while the Bihar Go- vernment considers that the need for such a diversion will not ari'e lint il diversions are (a) the total staff strength of the proposed to be made in excess of 600 Electricity Department of the Government cosec!. of Manipur;

    (c) There is now no diversion at (b) how nany of them are regular, how TeQui!hat and this qnesti on does not there- many work·cbaraed and how many Muster fore aril;e. Roll workers; l'urdlase of Power Engines by Maaipur GOverDlMDt . (c) whether the work charged emplo- yees . are still kept all temporary although ;,' 590. SHRI M, MEGHACHANDRA: many of them have been employed for tea Will tbe Minister of IRRIGATlON AND years and more ; ~3 SRAVA NA 7, 1892(SAKA) W,illell AnSW6r8 214

    (d) how many permanent POStS have Rise in Price of Cotton Clotb and other so far been created for the work·charged staff S,otbetic Cloth in the said Department ; and

    (e) the reason for keeping them tempo· 593. SHRI N. R. DEOGHARB : Will the rary for so long a period and steps taken to Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased declare the employees semi-permanent and to state: permanent 1 (a) whether it is a fact that there has THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE been a sharp rise in the prices of cotton MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER and other synthetic cloth'durinl tha last six (SHRI SIDDHESTWAR PRASAD): (a) months hittins thereby the economic condi· I, 312. tions of middle and lower classes of people ;

    (b) Out of the total staff strenlth, (b) if so, the roasona ,therfore; lIDd. 252 person. are rolular, wbile 1,060 are work charled employees. Tbero is none on (c) the action which GovernlllOnt pro. , Muster Roll. POlO to take In thll reaard ?

    THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (e) tn (e). The work-charlod employCOI MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE are still temporary. But 422 permanent posts (SHRI RAM SBWAK) : (a) Thoro bave recently been created for work· charged bas been no rise in the pricos· or staff in the Public Works Department, Mani· controlled clotb during tbe last six montbs. pur and allocation of these POStS is under the Tbe prices of non-controlled mill-made consideration of the Government of Manipur, cotton cloth have. however, sbown some The requirement nf staff in the Electricity marginal rise during tbis period. The prico Department, which has been .et up only of nylon and rayon fabrics bas generally recently, is under examination. been steady.

    (b) and (c). Since tbere has been no Implementation of Power Loom Enquiry sharp increase in the prices of clotb, no Committee's Recommendations action is contemplated for the present except to watch the price trend. 592. SHRI N. R. DEOGHARE: Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be plea- Solllni up of a Jute Mill 10 Orilla. sed to state tbe progress SO rar achieved in implementing the recommendations of the S94. SHRI SURENDRANATH power loom Enquiry Committee headed by Sbri DWIVEDY: Will tbe Minister of Asoka Mehta and accepted by Government FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : reprding roservation of the production of coloured sarocs exclusively for tbe bandloom (a) whether present production of raw sector 1 jute fully justify the settinl up of a ijute mill in orissa ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (b) whether any representation has (SHRI RAM SEW AK): A neces· been received by Government for permiJIion sary orders regarding reservation of the to .tart a cooperative jute mill in oriua ; production of coloured sareca for the hand loom and sector have already been issued. It has, however, not been possible to imple menl (c) Ibe' diffiCUlties in not agroein. to thee e orders fully, as a few Writ Petitions sucb a proposal 1 have been filed by power loom eltabUshments in the Bombay Hiab Court and tbe parties THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE have obtained atay orden. MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE ~

    , J 21$ Wrlttln AnsWers lULV 29, 1970 Written Answers 216

    RAM SEW AK) : (a) Orissa produces about (ifi) ~ m it ~ m!fT;;m 4 to S lakhs bales of jute per annum. ~ ~ ~ ltIff &;

    (b) Yes, Sir, ( fif) ~ qf<:n:l:!)" Cl'fT 'l ml;;r;rr ifir ifir:f !f8i tions tbe establlsbment of a new jute mill involvinl substBntial public funds is ~ ~ ~ Uifi ~ iflfT ~ ? DOt COIIIldered desirable. ~ "'" mr.(If ~ if ~ 1fIII' srbl ~ 'If"'"' ~ ~ ('ll ~ snm) : (ifi) q-s£"1, 1970 ~ it! ""t ~ "'" if "Rf a

    (fif) 'Wlt. ~ ~ 'f;1" 'll'jf('f, (fif) ~~ ciT ~~ 3~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~ ~ '*" m ~~~~~~~ ~ ~ fq;ft ~ it ~ ~ I m ~ ~~ ~ ~ I ~ q-s£;;r, ~~~ ~ ~ ~ m.nt "'" fllu. (If ~ if ~ l' ~ ~ (if) 'U'i!f ~ ~ iWt l' 1m ~ irrigation and power schemes of the fiI;: GOVClrDmCDt of M. P. PCUdina at p_t 217 Written Answers SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Written Answers 218

    with the Central Government for sanction HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF with their details in terms of money in- PLANNING (SHRIMATI INDIRA volved and the benefits likely to be achieved GANDHI): (a) and (b). The approved thereform ? outlay for the State Plan of Kerala in the Fourth plan is Rs. 2S8. 40 crores. A list of THE DEPUTY MINISTRY OF THE important projects included in Kerala's State MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND plan and in the Central plan to be located POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): in ~ is laid on the Table of the House A statement BivinB the requisite information (Placed in Library. See No. LT-3768/70]. is laid nn the Table of the House. [Placed in Library See No. LT-8767 /70] Development Scheme (or Calcutta

    IDdo-Nepal Excbaaae of Notes 600. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to atate : S98. SHRI G. C. DIXIT: Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be (a) the development schemes for pleucd to state: Calcutta and greater Calcutta realon. eKecuted or started durinl 1969-70; (a) whether notes have been eKchanled with the Government of Nepal after the (b) the development scbemes started In termination of the last session of Parlia- the current year; and ments ; and (c) nature of each scheme so started and (b) if so, the details tbereof? benefits likely to accrue through execution of these schemes? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THf: MINISTRY EXTERNAL AFFAIRS THE Pl'.lME MINISTER. MINISTER (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) OF ATOMIC ENERGY. MINISTER OF Following tbe normal pattern of diplo- HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF matic intercourse. notes have been PLANNING (SHRIMATl INDIRA exchaDged with the GOl'ernment of Nepal GANDHI) : (a) to (c). Detailed informa- on various matters of mutual interest. tion is awaited from the State Government and will be laid on the Table of the HOUle (b) It would not be in the public as soon as possible. interest to rncal the details of the notes. CORRECTION OF ANSWER TO USQ Investment In Public Sector Scbemes i:l NO. 8777. DATED 6-5.1970 REGA- Kerala RING BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF I.M.P.E.C. 599. SHRI E.K. NAYANAR : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pieased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) the amount decided by the Planninl MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADB- Commi.. ion to be invested in Kerala for (SHRI RAM SEWAK) : In answer to panl Public Sector Schemes in the Founh Five (a) to (d). of the Unstarred Question No. Year Plan; and 8777 on the 6th May, 1970, the roUowln, reply was livcn :-

    (b) the schemes proposed to be ~ in hand in Kera1a durin, the Fourth FIVe (a) Yes. Sir, There arc two out or IS' Year Plan? Directors.

    THE PIlIME MINISTER. MINISTER (b) Tboy are Sbri M. N. Savanl 01; OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF Shri V. M. Bhatt. 2i9 AIllI-Indlan JULY 29, 1970 Demon&lration in Saigon (CA) 22()

    (c) and (d). The position is being Vietnam was summoned on the sarno day to reviewed. to the Ministry of External Affairs and asked to convey our protest to his Government The answer may kindly be corrected as concerning these events. He was further under ;- asked to convey to his Government that they should ensure the safety of the person and (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. There are only property of the Consul General, his staff and two such Diretors, namely Shri M. N. the Indian Community. He promised to con- Savani & Shri V. M. Bhatt on the Board vey this to his Government and expressed whicb consists of IS members. personal regret.

    (c) Association of priutc distributors 3. Our Consul General in Saillon called witb wide experience of distribution of films on the Director of the Cabinet in the Minis- overseas was considered expedient in tbe try of Foreilln Affairs during the afternoon interest of promoting export of Indian films. on the same day and also deli vered a written protest. A copy of which is beinll placed on the Table of the House. I am lurprlllCd that (d) The malter will be duly reviewed in the DOrmal course wbon tbe quostlon or the Ministry of Poreilln Affairs refused recoDltltution of Board of Directors arlsel. to accept It. HOwever they have iSlued a .tatement deplorlnll the Inclde nt •.

    4. We hope that the authorities in SaIIlO! will ensure that such incidents will no be repeated. CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF URGBNT PUBLIC IMPORTANOE ANTI-INDIAN DEMONSTRATIONS Text of the Note handed ove, on July 27 IN SAIGON by the Consul General 0/ India, Saigon. to the Director 0/ Cabinet In the Ministry 0/ Foreign Affairs. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR (Sambal- pur) : Sir, I call tbe attention of tbe Minis- "The Consulate General of India presents ter of External Affairs to the following matter its complements to the Ministry of Foreign of urllent public importance and I request Affairs, Republic of Vietnam and has the that be may make a statement tbereon:- honour to lodge an emphatic protest against the dishonour shown to the Indian national Reported strong anti-Indian demonstra- flail at 10-4S this morning by some VietnlllDCSC tion including the attack on the who stoned the Consulate General, climbed Indian Consulate in Saillon aod the up the balcony, removed the Indian flag. took action taken tbereon by the Govern- it away and draped the Vietnamese flag on the ment of India. balcony. A verbal protest was lodlled imme- diately by the Consul General witb the chiof THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL of Protocol. AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH) : Sir, the Government of India have received a 2. Attackinll the CoDsulate General with report from the Consul General in Saigon stones taking down the Indian national flail that tbe premises of the Cousulate General from it and then disbonourins it and reponed- were attacked by a sroup of demonstrators ly burnina it in the street are actions ap!nst on the morninll of July tbe 27th, Despito the laws and etiquettes of civililcd the pmence of tho security authorities, tbe behaviour. c:rowd indulged in slono tbrowing and also took down tbe national flag and arc reported to bave burnt it. There was no damaao to the 3. The people of Inllia wish the people of Vietnam peace and prosperity. That such premises of the Consulate. a dilll'aceful event was allowed to take place 2. tile A.c:tIDa Con8Ul Geaeral of South in Ipite of tbe fact that there wen armed 211 Anti-Indian SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) Demonstration I" Saigon (CA) 222

    [Sbri Swaran Slnlb] tbese Incidents are reported to have Brile4, comes to the forefront. Having reaard to Vietnamese Boldien and police standing on our responsibility as the Chairman of the suard wbile tbe Indan flag was being dis- International Control Commission in honoured does not reflect very well on the Vietnam and having regard to tbe fact tbat situatioD prevailiDg here for the protectioD of we have beeD sayiDg tbat we arc a Don· life and property of consular aDd other IDdian aligned country, how is it tbat we arc persoDnel in tbe Republic of VietDam. digning our country, with the Provisional 4. The Consulate General of IDdia protests Revolutionary Government of whicb all tbe more stroDgly agaiDst tbis savale iDci- Madam Binh is a member and how far, by dent because it took place iD spite of the fact tbis alignment with the Provisional tbat tbe CODsul GeDeral had personally reques- ReVOlutionary Goyernmenl, are we able to ted Hil Excellency tbe Prime Minister, Gene- discharge our function as the Chairman ral Tran Tbien Khiem aDd Ambaslador Nguyen of the International Control Commissloo ? Qui ADh, Director of the Cabinet in tbe MiDistl}' of Foreign Affaln days in advance In this context I also waot to know if to order the Decessary precautioDs. actually tbe previous Foreiln Minister, Shrl Dinesh Singh, invited Madam Biob-this is S. The CODsulate GeDeral of IDdia bas the only an incidental questioD-and if tbat II bonour to inform alaiD the Ministry of so, when our luest actually arrived in India, Foreign Affairs that in case the life and pro- wby was the present Foreiln Minister of perty of aDy of tbe Indian citizens in the India, Sardar Swaran Sinlh, Dot present Republic of VietDam are endangered or atta- at the airport..... (Intt!rruptlon) ? cked by incidents sucb as tbe one the CODSU- late General of IDdia is protesting agaiDst, SHRI UMANATH-(Pudukkottal) : A then the Government of tbe Republic of very good question. You reply to tbe laat Vietnam will be responsible for al\ tbe conse- part first. quences.

    6. Tbe Consulate General of IDdia avails SHRI RANGA (Srikakulam): That il itself of tbe opportuDity to renew to the Ihe sensible thing he has done. Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Republic of Vietnam, the assurances of its bilhest consi- deration." SHRI SW ARAN SINGH: I share the distress which the hon. Member haa ex- pressed about the insult to our national SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR : We flag, about tbe sense of insecurity 10 the are very much distressed at the in,ult and minds of persons of IndiaD orilin and allo dishonour to the National about tbe return of tbe protest note by the by 80me people iD South VietDam 88 also Government of Saigon. It is for tbis at Ibe report of tbe contiDuing tbreal to reason tbat I have placed a copy of tbe pro- the IDdiaD population iD Saigon. We are test Dotc OD Ibe Table of Ibe House. Tbe also distressed by the fact that tbe protesl bon. Members can judie for thellllClves If tba' was lodged by tbe Consul General to there was anythiDg in tbis protest note the Foreiln Ministry of South Vietnam whi<:h could bave IIh'co any I'CBIOn to the was rejected. Soutb-Vietnamese autborities for leturnina the protest Dote. They say it i. 001 properly ID view of a\l tbcae facti, what Iteps do worded. I bave placed it OD the Table of tbe G overnmeDt of I ndia propose to take Ihe House 10 that all ICCti0Dl Df lhe House to ned\'CII the Irievance and to protect the caD judac for tbemselves whetber thll actlOD interata of our people wbo are raideot on !beir part was proper or DOt. I bave tbere 1 no doubt that it W8B hllhly improper aDd, If I may say 10 very. Impolitic oa the pan ID this coDnectlon tbe qaeatioa ot our of tbetr Government reprcaenwive to return lavltlal Madalll Blab, out at which aU the prOlllt note. 223 Antl-/ndltl1l JULY 29, 1970 Demonstration in Saigon (CA) 224

    SHRI RANGA: Wbat you bave done to them. In Paris. they are bavinl talks. But In reaard to the rebel government is also somehow or other we have got some ultra- improper. rightist in our country who react even to the sight of Madame Binb in our country. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Maybe, I think it was the most inCantile way of remarks of this nature encourage them marc showing black flags to Madam Binh. I to return the note. would give out another secret. J think, Madame Binh and her friends were very It is Curt her asked as to what steps we happy/that these flags were shown because they got more publicity not only in Our should take or we can take to protect the country but in other countries also. J had interests of the persons oC Indian origin in Sailon. The only step that we can take is requested Mr. Sondhi, When he called upon me, to desist from this because by to ask for the security of the persons oC Indian origin from the Government of doing Ihat, he will be ~ in the hands those who want to give her greater pub- Saigon and we have impressea uplln the,n oC Iicity. we are not apologetic for having very strongly both in Saigon and here and. I hope, they will discharge their duty in a invited Madam Binh here. It is our res- responsible manner. ponsibility to do it even as the Cbairman oC the I.C.C.; to be in touch with all the parties which are relevant parties to the Then, a Question has been asked about dispute. I do not want to be apologetic the Invitation to Madame llinb. 1 am glad about it at all. I do not know why he tbat I am being criticised first for inviting used the expression tbat we arc aligning ber and then Cor not going to the airport. with the Provisional Revolutionary Govern· In a sense, that sbows the inherent contra· ment. There is no Question of alignment diction in tbe mind of tho hon. Member ... as suth. We invited Madame Binh wbo is a distinguished leader. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR: And also the Minister. SHRI M. L. SONDHI : You are takins SHRI SWARAN SINGH: As to why credit for Mr. Dinesb Singh also ? Madame Binh was invited, she represents one oC thc very important parties and a SHRi SWARAN SINGH: I am taking relevant party to the dispute in Vietnam. credit even Cor what Mr. Sondhi has done For a long time, we bave been of the because incidentally he has given them more opinion that for restoration of peace, the publicit)'. representation oC the National Liberation front is necessary Cor any talks to bring We arc in touch and we should be in about peate in Ihat legion. touch wi! h all parties to the dispute in indo- China. IC we want to play any role. which SHRf M. L. SONDHI (New- we sbould, (0 restore peace in that rellion, Delhi): Do we have a National Libera- this should be our altitude. tion Front in our own country 1 The last Question wblch has been asked SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I hope Mr. and which I should have answered first i. : if Sondhi docs not represont any National Mr. Dinesh Singh invited her, wby J should Liberation Front. If be does, I will ask not I[) to the airport. 1 think, Sir, in our some foreign Government to invito bim in country We have been overpia)ing this proto- that capacity. col hOliness. Any Member of the Govern- ment can 10 and my colleague, \be Deputy I ftl laying tbat the organisation wbicb Minister, who il a Member of thil House Madame Binh repreaents II a relevant party and a Minister in tbo Government and a 10 the peace talks In PariI. The South Member of the Council of Ministcrl did JIO VletnamelC talk to them; tbe North to tho aii'port aDd 0\10II in future we Ihould VietnamCIO talk to tbami the AmoriC8111 talk ncMi tbink·that we,are not tllk to UQI vilitor 225 Anti-Indian SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Demonstrations in sa/Ion (CA) rnress the Cabinet Minister goes. Any ly clear, they are talking of Paris talka. Tbe Member oC the Government who goes to the Paris atmosphere where wine flows may be airport ..• mellowed. Here you are only providing tomato juice. Tberefore, the atmnspbere is not mellowed. ThereCOIe, it may be irrita- SHRI UMANATH: Wby did you ting to somebody at present. But on the single ber out Cor tbis treatment ? whole J do not see any objection in inviting a person who has been rcpresenting her SHRI SWARAN SINGH: don't country. however partially. Of course, one think we have singled ber out. Tbere have particular thing has not been clarified by the been earlier occasions also. I want to make Minister. That is, having invited a very it clear and categorical that it is enough beautiful and charming lady (Interruption) even Cram the protocol angle and even Crom as reported in the Statesman he has Dot the angle oC courtesy ir any member of the shown the chivalry oC loing to the airport. Council of Ministers goes to tbe airpon to receive. There is no discourtesy. We should not overplay or underplay. We are SHRI PILOO MODY: He stole her dealing with tbis problem in an objective from Mr. Dincsh Singb. manner.

    DR MAITREYEE BASU (Darjeeling) : DR MAITREYEE BASU I He seDt Tbe Minister has made many somebody who is certainly lower in status points. I am in complete agreement with to him. Would he suggest tbat if Queen some of tbe points. Whatever other cbanges Elizabeth came here from England, tbe De- made in the Cabinet may not have been puty Minister would suffice? Somebody of liked by us, but this change has been liked Madam Binb's rank should go to the airpon by me very much because nobody can beat to receive her. If Sardarji is indisposed lOme Sardarji in blandness. He deals with the other Minister of the Cabinet rank sbould question in such a manner that nobody can bave gone. The Deputy Minister was a poor take any offence. But even he earlier was substitute Cor the Cabinet Minister. I do being irritated by some members I-am sorry not see the reason why some other Cabinet for that. I am soray Cor the irritation Minister did not go and J don't think his caused to bim. I am in sympathy with him. explanation is acceptable to u,.

    SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): It ia a very regrettable affair which has tbougbt you arc sorry that he got irritated_ happened in Saigon that tbe foreign minister representing the Government of tbat country DR. MAITREYEE BASU: About the has rejected our GoveromenCs note of furore in the Press for inviting Madame Binh, protest. This is not done in diplomatic and the MInister has made it abundantly clear polite sodety. It is very regrettable. and I must associate with him in tbis parti- cular respect. (Interruptions) Madame Binh has been taking part in the Paris talks On tbe other hand, we are very anxious about tbe condition of our countrymen in Cor a pretty long time. Nobody has objected that country and the question ia, what we to that. She i. representing pan of a country, arc loing to do about it. may be a email pan oC a country but she is representing a pan of her country. Sir, I hav" visited Kveral countries in SHRt PILOO MODY: Only Naxal- the recent past and 1 have Celt during my bari. visits to these foreign couDtries that our preltile is 1I0inil down. I hope wltb tbe DR. MAITREYI E BASU: Whatever chaoge in tbe Ministry this will again IOUI'. Mr Pilno Mody or anybndy else may say, But there is DO doubt at all about India'. she i. representing a part of her country. prestile abroad having gone down In rec:cat There, .. the Minister has made it abundant- years. 227 A",I·Indlan JULV 29, 1'J10 bemomtrations in saigon (CA) 228

    SHRI M.L. SONDHI : Who is responsi· ~ PIlOO MODY : He is inviled to ble? come to my house with a black flag.

    DR. MAITREYEE BASU: Who is AN HON. MEMBER: Black turban ~ for that? In spite of the fact also. that I have nothing in common with Mr. Sondhi, I repeat his question. (Interruption) SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Sir, about I rcquest the hon. Minister to reply to the the safety of our nationals, I think that questions that I have raised. this initial effervescence in Saigon will evaporate and that they will realise the SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Sir, I would realities of the situation and I am sure the like to say that no discourtes) was involved authorities will provide tbe necessary facilities in myself not roing to the airport. to eDsure their safety-unless of course Mr. Piloo Mody has some other secret infor· mation ... SHRI PIlOO MODY: Shame. shame ..• SHRI PILOO MODY: I have secret SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Shame for weapon, not information. "hat? (lnter/uption) If Mr. Piloo Mody thinks that 1 am discourteous in not going SHRI SWARAN SINGH: If he has to the airport I "ill start feeling that I am aDY influen( e with them, let him also use his really guilty. influence to see that tbe safety of Indians is ensured.

    SHRI PILOO MODY : I think you are SHRI PILOO MODY: I would first discourteous in stealirll her from Dinesh. like to use that secret weapOD in India itself to see that the safety of Indians is assured in India and that the flag is hODoured iD SHRI SWARAN SINGH: But I sent India and that Mahatma Gandhi's statue hcr to Bombay, the place wbere Mr. Piloo is bonoured in India. Mody lives. SHRI N. K. SOMANI (Nagaur): SHRI PILOO MODY : We received her The recent outburst in Saigon leading to with black flags. this ugly demonstration and damage to our property nn July 27tb underscores one basic pOiDt. Governments of couDtries may SHRI SWARAN SI!'I:GH: He takes come aDd go, but as far as tbe peop!cs of pride in showing black flag If we show tbe various couDtries are concerned. they black flags; we should also be prepared to would live for eYer, aDd. therefore, tbe face black flags. That is what has happened poliCies of any country, aDd especIally those in Saigon. Even some hon. Members of of ours sbould be conducted in sucb a this House are in tbe babit of startiDB black· manner aDd not iD a partisan and prejudiced ·flall dcmoDstrttioDs agaiDst visitors, aDd manDer that it gives rise OD aD occasiOD to against tbe Embassies here. We are totally the people of South Viet Nam to demoos_ opposed to this infaDtile way of expressing trate In this maDner whereby tbe good·will our dissatisfaction witb anytbiDg and we between the peoples of tbese countries .. i11 totally condemn any sucb demonstration if be affected by tbe conduct of our own it bappens in anotber country. But we GoverDment's policies. have first to show some restraint bere. IC Mr. Piloo Mody takcs a 101 of pride in sbowiDIL black-flags to otben, then, at any I "ould like to make it clear tbat it rate, 1Ie sbould nOI be nry anllry if we are "as Dol Madam Binb's visit and lhe also confronted witb such black-flails some- . black flaIlS that were responsible for where elle. "bat bappened in Saigon, but the comp- 229 Ant/·lndlan SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) ~ /" so/gons ~ (CAl pletely one-way policies and the jaundiced My-third point is this. The so·called view that our Government in spite of the National Liberation Front's Provisional fact that they have been chairman of the Government __ International Control Commission, have been taking for the past few years. SHRI NAMBIAR (Ti uchirappali) : There is another point that I wold like It is not so·called; it i! the real government the hon. Minister to keep in mind and of the people. that is the special concern for the Indian communities living in foreign countries. SHRI UMANATH It is the real It is a great pity that the delegations rep- government of the people. resenting the Indian Muslim community, representing the Bombay Silk Merchants' Association. repesentatives of the Nattukollai SHRI N. K. SOMANI: They call Chettias' Association, rcpresentatiws of the themselves provisional. They have used Tamil Jan S3ngh Association and the Sikh the word ·Provisional'. I am not u§ing it Association of Saigon. represent ina the myself. Indi.n commun'ty living iq S ligon came to thi· country a few weeks ago, but the only SHRI S K. TAPURIAH : I know wby treatm,nt that they got ~ the hon. Prime these lobbies nre now active. Mini,ter was that sbe was not prepared to see them and listen to their viewpoint. SHRI PllOO MODY: Let the hon. Minister revel in these friends now. SHRI PILOO MODY : Because they were not taxiwallas. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): SHRI N. K SOMANI: I WJuid also The Government of India must recoanise like to have clarificJtion on one point. that Government. They arc the Govern- Shri T.N Kaul, the Chief Secretary of our ment of the people there. Exte,nal Affairs division with a very curt nod tells these peopie that 'It is none of SHRI N. K. SOMANI: These people our concern what happens to Indians livina call Ihem,elves a provisional Goveroment. in Saigon, we will do exactly what we like But here is our minorilY Government which to do with that country'. I want '0 know not only wants to recognise them but whether this h tbe offi:ial po licy of our instal them in Saigon. (l1I,erruptIOIlS). Government to completely diuegard the interests of the poople who are living th,re SHRI S. K. TAPURlAH: They may and who have taken the trouble of coming direct the Prime Mini"er and her actions, to New Delbi and trying to c Lil on the but they cannot direct us as to what we Prime Minister and the glamMous .. should speak, (In erruptlons) SHRI N. K. SOMANI I I want one SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH (Pali) : These specific question to be answered by lhe are tbe people who are res,1Onsibie for hon. Minister ... what happened in Saigon, These peop:e and their views are responsible for it. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: They are tbe puppets of Sailloo, puppets of Taiwan'" SHRI N. K. SOMANI: Look at the ( Int'r,uptions). newspapers and see what they bave to say. The new'paper say that tbe life of Indians in that country from noW on will be more SHRI N. K. SOMANI: Is there any difficult, and they arc already terror·stricken parallel in tbe history of civilised democra- and have locked themselves in euctly as a tic countries where a government of this resull of the policies of our Government. kind comes to be not only recol- 231 Anti-Indian JULY 29, 1970 ~ In saigon (CA) 232

    Parliament, I would reguest all bon. [Shrl N. K. Somani] Members when I call their attention to nised but also given respectability? relevancy he heed me. 1 do not like this ~ situation in which the Speaker sitting here is all the time shown all this demonstration. I hope all of you agree with me. SHRI PILOO MODY: Who are these N8lIalites? (Interruptions). SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. AN HON. MEMBER: Who are these American stooges? (/nterruptlom). MR. SPEAKER : After all, this is a Parliament. I would request all members to SHRI M. 1. SONDHI: We want a give the impress:on to the people who arc Tbird Force in Asia. watching us that this is a Parliament.

    SHRI N. K. SOMA"I. Arc you SHRI DHIRESWAR KALlTA putting a restriction on my question 7 (Gauhali) On a point of order. This moHon is to 'call the attention of the Minister of External Affairs to thc reported MR. SPEAKER : I allowed Dr. strong anti-Indian demonstration including Maitrayee Basu because she was sorry that the attack on the Indian Consulate Shri Piloo Mody said "shame", and Sardar in Saigon and the action taken thereon Swaran Singh said "what for 7" She was by the Government of India.' Rut the just "orr ied about chivalry. You arc member who is on his legs stBting all dealing IV illl a .«ious question. Why irrelevant things (lnterrupllons). don't) ou do it in a serious manner 7

    SHRI N. K. SOMANI : This is a reflec- SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR (Pcer- tion on )OU (I" terruptlons). mode) : We expect a Member of Parlia- ment of this glorious country which has MR. SPEAKER : I would request fought for freedom not to defile the face Shri Bhwas and other hon. members to of tbis glorious country by such utterance" lit down. (Interrupt/vIIs).

    AN HON. MEMBER: What is the ruling on the point of order? SHRI N. K. SOMANI: May I know whether Madame Rinh brought a special ~ to the Prjme Minister of India SHRI PILOO MODY : On a point of from the Chinese P, ime Minister and order. The call attention that was filed whether there was any aspect of this problem on this subject was on both COunts. If discussed at any level between ber and our your office chooses to word it in such a Government 7 Finally, I would like to know manner that only one side of the picture whether the Government of India will stop is given, we caD not help it, if we are not playinll to the Soviet tune, and shamefully strictly rcstricted to the subject (lnterrup- also to the Chinese tune in this particular tlom). context, and correct the partisan and subservient policies of India in the interests MR. SPEAKER: I am reaily very of peace in this area by adopting a neutral, sorry at what is happening. I have been bold and hclp- ful attitude? watchlnll you, and will have to watch yOU for another six weeks like that. I am just thinking about my lot. The SHRI SWARAN SINGH t As Chairman Chair has been made ineffective by this of the International Control Commission shouting, If you think that this parlia- it is our duty, our responsibility, to be ~ ment i. to be run only by shou ing and touch with all parties who arc relevant counter-sboutinll, tbere is no Deed for sllcb parties to tbe dispute there. 233 .-4ntl-Indian SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Demonsll'Qllons 234 in saigon (CA) SHR1 M. R. MASANI (Rajkot); Not Binh was a correl decision. It was necessary relevant. for Ind,a.

    SHRI SW ARAN SINGH: Mr. Masani says they lOre not relevant. SHRI M. L. SONDHI : It was not • Cabinet deCiSion, it was Mr. Dinesh SHRI M. R. MASANI : Only Govern- Singh's decision. ments, not rebels. You are completely wrong. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Shri Dinesh Singh is a member of tbe Cabinet. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Under the Geneva Allreement, are they parties? Please clarify. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: He has been downgraded, devalued.

    SHRI SWARAN SINGH : The leader of the S"a!antra Party reminded me that SIlRI SWARAN SINGH And I they are not members, they are not subscrib- accept full responsibili,y for wbat Mr. ing parties to the Geneva Agreement. It is Dinesh Singh did. cOlrect thai in the Gmeva Agreement they were not there, ~ we have to consider the situation a, it oblains today. And may SHRI M. L. SONDHI: You have to I remind Ihe young Swatantra Member clear up the mess in the Foreign Office. who lead out his brief very failhfully that Don't follow Dinesb SinSh. it is America which has given responsibility to Madame Bioh by inviting her to the Paris talks 1 This is the hard realilY. SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Conlai) If Mr. Pbizo is inviled as a rebel Nalaland leader by Russia, how do you like it 1 ... (InterruptIOns) SHRI PILOO MODY: Are we sub- servient to American policy? SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I should like to say that it was a correct decision SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK (South to invite ~ We should know the view- Deihl) : The hon. Minister is insulting this point of all sides ; this increases our capa- House. He says we are Dot concerned with city to discharge Our responsibility even on what America did, we are not concerned the Internalional Control Commission be- with what Russia did, and what we did is in cause we sbould know who arc the various our interests. Then, "hy do you drag in parties, what are their attitudes, etc. There in what America is doing or what Russia is no better way of understandinl their is doing 1 Why don't you talk like 8n viewpoint except to have direct talks with Indian Foreign Minilter and not as the the person wbo is conducting ~ talks Ruuian or American Foreign Minister 1 OD behalf of that party in PariS.

    SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I would like to say very categorically that it has hecome A further question bad heen asked a fashion among certain political parties to about the representatives of the Indian always say that we are following a parti- community who came to India. The Prime cular line. that we arc following the Soviet Minister was busy and she could find time; line. This is absolutely incorrect, and tholll but they met the Foreign Secretary SlId the who accuse us are absolutely uninformed Foreign Minister and they did put acrosl Bnd misiRformed, and I would like to con- their vIew poiD! which ~ carefully consi- tradict them. dered.

    Therefore, the invitation to Madame SOME HON. MEMBERS: No. 235 IIntl.Indian JULY 29, 1970 D'mon t'a/ions in Saigon (CII) 236

    SHRl SWARAN SINGH: I should shall attempt an answer to his like to warn the hon. Members that we question. He speaks so loudly thll should not fall into the mistake of accept· even these instruments do not respond ing of what morc or le,s amounts to host· or function .I cannot really make oul what agcs. Arc we to accept this position that he says, except that I see some gestures other countries should be permitted to uti- and gesticlations. lise persons of Indian origin in those coun- tries to put political pressure on us? That SHRI SAMAR GUHA : You have is the last thing that we can tolerate. The developed a heart and mind like that; the sooner that pOSition is realised, the belter. requests and ~ of people cannot rouse We are prepaud to look after their interem_ you to action ... (Interruptions). If there is the slightest threat that if we do not fall in line with the policy of the host Government those persons of lndian origin MR. SPEAKER: I will have to estab- who are settled there will be exposed to liny lish a volunteer force in this House so that danger and that it should he a factor which Members like yourself may be made to should make uS deflect from our path that sit down. Otherwise, it becomes ~ is a position which can never be accepted; let us be clear on that point. We should be SHRI SWARAN SINGH: The Swa- ~ we have very sympathy for them; tantra party Member asked another ques- we shall protect their interests.... (/mer- tion in which he said if there is any pat allel ruptlons. ) -a lady in that posi ion having been re- ceived by any Government. I hope he does SHRIMATI SUCHETA KRIPALANI his homework well. Our neighbour, the ( Gonda) : What steps have you taken Government of Ceylon, which has been to protect their interests? elected by adult franchise, has not only received her and welcomed her but also SHRl SWARAN SINGH: It may be recognised them. (/nterruptioll ). the effort of certain instigators to put tbis idea into their heads to use them against SHRI UMANATH: You should also UI and to ask us to change our policy. recognise it. We are not goinll to accept that. J want to say that quite categorically so that there SHRI HAL RAJ MADHOK Strange will be no doubt on that score '" (Interru- bed-fo;Jlow. ptions.) We shall continue to safeguard lheir interests. But we cannot fall in line / with Ihe policies so advocated That is the /,SHRI SAWARAN SINGH: I shOUld point. /}lIform the hon. Members that as many as . about 2S to 26 countries most of whom are SHRI SAMAR GUHA: The Indian members of Ihe United Nations have recog- community is a ~ business commu- lIised the provisional revolutionary govern- nIty there. When Iheir life is in danger we ment of Madam Binh. cannot stay idle. When they come to you, should you not give your advice? They are SHRI PILOO MODY : All satellites. Indians and they come to the Indian Government. SHRI SW ARAN SINGH: Satellites of ~ ~ : qytf ~ ifT'l q'l; ~ Sbri Pilooo Mody; he is a big mass and ~ ~ ~ I 1};ili ~ lflfT ~ '-lra- tberefore he sbould bave satellities. But! tbis is a serious mailer in which we should ! ~ not Iigbtheartedly use expressions and should not be carried away by rhetoric. Witb SHRI SW ARAN SINGH : Purely on the the countries tbat have recognised the physical plane, nol on Ihe emotional plane, provisional revolutionary government, you if Professor Samar Guha can speak a may not agree or the Government may lillIe less loudly so tbat I can hear bim, I not agree. We have not recogoied tbe 237 A Mi-]ndin SRAVANA 1,1892 (SArA) Demonstration. 238 in saigon (eA) provisional revolut ionary government, but ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f'r. f«m ~ ~ .lilI- (lnterrupllon). ;;ft ~ ~ w ~ ~ lI11: ~ ~ a.rr<: ~ ~ ~ ~~ SOME HON. MEMBERS: Why? 'fiT f'fi 'fiT (Inlerrruption) ffi'fial ~ ~ m<: WrRlfiif ~ '1ft ~ it; ~ T'ii ;;rrl(it ? SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Mr. Somani should know tbat I have to answer them; not he. So, be should not create ~ SHRI SWARAN SINGH I I would leave it to tbe people or Indian oriam Iivinll SHRI N. K.· SOMANI : I am not abroad to do anytbinll wbicb tbey tbink Is answering them at all. in tbeir best interests and is consistent witb tbe bonour and disnity of our couatry. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: This is a matter in wbich we acted in a correct manner, and this was the correct attitude 13 bu. tbat bas been taken. ~ 'f1I{01I(;fi ~ ( ~ : ~ ~ mmr-'" (mmR): ~~ ~ ~~ ifu ~ '1T'fi ~ ~ I" •.•• G"lf, .rqr<'f lI11: ~ fif; ~ ~ if;r ;;IT ~ , ~ ~~ ~ Wll'TFf fiI;lrr lfln", ~ ..... ~~ if;T ~ fif;l1T tflrr, ~ .ncr '!iT ~ ~ ~ ~ ft ~~ ~ wiT<'f ~ ,/;S ~ fif; 4"lJ1;; '1ft Wl"f"li'f oNe ~ ';t.$y) ulAJ1J+& u":'] ~~ ~ ~ ::r ;;ft lfrorrlf ~~ if;[ ~ 'fi<:TtTT ~ ~ ,;s,i u; I",. - if;T ~ <'fTtf ~ if;( I... ~ ... ( ~~ ...... ! ~ ~ ::r ~~ ft;rQ; ~ ~ Mt'f '1ft ~ if;T I 4"lJ1;; '1ft ~ ~ ~~ g'fi<:T fG"lfT I ~ ~ <'fTlJT it WIi at1m ~ : ~ ItlfT ~ t:t'fi fir;fe ~ ~ lffiRf iTr'fft ~ cit m;;r WI" it '1T'1 ~ ~ t ~ fll'fe it ma"- lI11: ~ f'r. ~ ~ ~ ~ fetf rn ~ - G"RT iffif ;;r.r ~ ~ I ~ fif;lfT ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ l.l;l=,. C!! ~ ,1:-.1..0 disc!osurcs. I would request you, Sir, to ~ ~ ~ ~ depute a committee to 10J'!< into tbis nlatler t:,b j yi because the entire Government is engaged '.! .},... ~~ ...;.'" j ~ u"''; in that business. (f,,/errup!ion ) . ... .! ~ l.!14-,s ~ uS ..ft' u ..... ;t; ~~ ...... SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA (Delhi Sadar) : I support what Dr. Ram Sub bag ~ ~ qr-;r ~ ~ ~ 'fl

    AN HON. MEMBER: It was made NOTIFlOATIONS UNDER THE NANY AOT by a spokesman of your ministry. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI SWARAN SINGH: No official MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI spokesman bas tried to draw any analogy NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDA): On with the visit of either the Dalai Lama or behalf of Sbri Jagjiwan Ray. 1 beg to lay of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan. They are on the Table a copy each of the following absolutely in a different category altogether Notifications (Hindi and English versions) and we should not mix up the two issues. under section ISS of the Navy Act, 19S7 :- If any body bas done it, I would not subs- cribe to it; 1 would like to repudiate it. (i) The Naval Ceremonial, Condi- SHRI PILOO MODY : ~ bim. tions of Service and Miscel- laneous (Second Amendment) MR. SPEAKER: Papef'5 to be laid on Re"ulations. 1970, publisbed the Table, in Notificslion No. S. R. O. 241 Pope,., laid SRAVANA " 1892 (SAKA) /'ap6rS laid 2.0

    199 in Gazette of India dated (i) The Naval Cetemonial, Condi- the 2nd MaJ, 1970. tions of Service and Miscella- neous (Second Amendment) (ii) The Naval Ceremonial, Condi- Regulations, 1%9, published in tions of Service and Miscel- Nntification No. S. R. O. 309 laneous (Amendment) Regula- in Gazelle of India dated the tions, 1970, published in Noti- 1st November, 1969. fication No. S. R. O. 201 in Gazette of India dated the 2nd (ii) The Naval Ceremonial, Condi- May, 1970. tions of Service and MiBccUa. neous (Third Amendment) Re8ulations, 1970, published in (iii) The Naval Ceremonial, Condi· Notification No. S. R. O. IE tions of Service and Miscella- in Gazette of India dated the neons (Fifth Amendment) Reg- 21st February, 1970, ulatic ns I !170, published in Noti- fication No.S.R.O.209 in Gazetle of India dated the 9th MaY,1970. (iii) The Navy (Discipline and Miscellaneous Provisions) Frst Amendment Regulations, 1970 (iv) The Naval Ceremonial, Condi- Published in Notification No. tions of Service and Miscella. S.R.O. 126 in Gazelle of India neous (Forth Amendment) dated the 28th February, 1970. Regulations, 1970 published in [Placed in Library See. No. L.T. Notification No. S.R.O. ;,29 in -3339/70] Gazette of India dated the 16tb May, 1970. ANNUAL REPORT OF THE PERMANENT (v) The Navy Leave Regulations, INDUS COMMISSION 1970, published in Notification No. S. R. O. 285 in Gazette of ~ ~ ~ India dated the 27th June, 1970. tf'n fq.1'r if ('1l ~ snm): ~~ ~ It (vi) The Naval Ceremonial, Condi· Nllff ~ 'm"lf11f ~ 31 ~ 1970 t ions of Service and Miscella. .n neous (Sixth Amendment) ij"JfT'=cr ~ crt ~ qrfq

    (vii) The Naval Ceremonial, Condi- tions of Serv ice and Miscella- A!UUAL REPORT ETO. OF THE BHARAT neous (Seventh Amendment) Regulations 1970, publisbed in EARTH MOVERS LTD. Notification No. S. K. O. 330 in ~ of Indian dated the THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFNCE 2Sth July, 1970. [Placed In PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF Llbra·y. s'". No. LT- DEFENCE (SHRI P. c. SETHI): I bee to 3692170] lay on the Table a copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English verion!) of tbe I bell to relay nn tbe Table a copy Bbarat Earth Movers Limited, Banllalore, eacb of tbe followinll Notifications (Hindi the year 1968·69 alonll with the Audited and Englisb ven:inns) under section 18S of Accounts and tbe comments of the comp- the Navy Act, 19S7 :- troller and Auditor Geoeral tbereon, under 24j Popers told jUtY 19. \910 Popers Laid 244

    sub-section (1] of section ~ of the STATEMENT reo AUDIT REPORT OF THE Companies Act. 1956. [Placed in Library RUBBER BOARD, NOTIFIOATlON Su No. L T-3694/70] UNDER THE £>'PORT (QUALITY CONTROL AND IN ..PECTION) ACT AUDIT REPORT, RULWAYS, 1970, APp· AND AUDITED ACCOUl\T8 OF ROPRhTION ACCOUNTS, RAILWAYS, THE TEXTILES COMMITTEE 1968-69, ETC. ~~ ~ ~ if mm ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ("IT ~ ~~ : ~ ~ f.:r;rr. ~ ~ : 9;Il:/fe:r ~~ it f.:r;rrf8.69 3739/70] 245 P. M. iJilIs & SRAVANA 7,1891 (SAKAl ReIns. CBmm. &port 246

    STATEMENT RI!. STRIKE ON THE WlJ1H EAS1ERN AND NORTH EASTERN RAILWAYS ( 1) ~ ~ 'U'il< if; m:ili"Cl MR. SPEAKER: There is a statemeot if ~ lmT WrTlfi' 19 ;rr;f By Shri Naoda, the Railway Minister. Ho 1970 lfi'T ;;rtU

    13.G7 h ..... (2) '3"ll{lffi ~ If.T 1'f'l1f W'f BUSINESS ADVISORY '1'7 ~ if ~ ~ 't. 'f.n:l1l't COMMITTEE FIFT¥ FIRST REPORT 'f,'f ~ f'fCf"{l)T I ~~ i!t ~ ~ I ~ ~ LT- THE MINIST£'R OF PARLlA- MENT,\RY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING 3699/70] & TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH) : I beg to Move: DIRECTION BY THE SPEAKER "That this House do agree with lhe UNDER THE RULES OF Fifty.first Report of the BU5m- PROCEDURE Advisory Committee presented to the H"use on the 28,h July, 1970." SECRETARY: I beg to lay on the MR SPEAKER: The qurstioo is : Table a copy of Direction 115C issued by the Speaker under the Rules of producrc aDd CODduct of Bu;ines. in Lolc Sabha. "That this House do agree witb the Fif,y·first Report of the rusina. Advisory Commillee preacn.ec/ to the House on the 28th July, 1970" COMMIlTIoE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' BILLS AND The mol/on was adoptl!d RESOLUTIONS

    SIXTY FOURTH REPORT MOTION OF NO- COI'FIDENCE IN SHRI G. G. SWELL : (Autooomous THE COUNCIL ON MINISTER.S Contd. districts): I beg to present the Sixly- fourth Report of the Committee 00 Private MR. SPEAKER: The Prime MiDlater will Membera' Bilta aad Reaoilltiool. speak at about 5 O'Clock aDd .ftcr that 247 No·Con/id,nc, JULY 29, 1970 Mot/on 248

    Mr. Speaker] 14.05 hra_ Shri Madu Limaye will reply. J think we MOTION OF NO-CONFIDENCE IN should fiDish it in another 3; hours. THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS- (Contd.)

    13.08 hrs. SHRI M_ MUHAMMAD ISMAIL (Manjeri): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I The £Ok Sabha adjourned for IUllch spoke a few words yesterday regarding the ti 1/ Fouruell of the Clock. time-table of the Kerala Assembly elections. Tbe people speak of the Election Commis- sion beiog hasty in fixing the election date and the time-table for it. Kerala Legisla- tive Assembly was dissolved on the 26th June and it is only the other day that the Election The £Ok Sobha re-assembled after Commission bas fixed the date for polling. Lunch at four minutes past In the meantime, the Election Commission Fourteen of the Clock. consulted all the parties concerned, the Kerala Government and others and they took one month to fix the datc after the dissolution of the Assembly. Even after fix- [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair' ing tbe date, they Ilave formulated their programme in a spirit of accommojation ~ ~~ m,," (qc:;;r) : '3'f1 E1

    Sir, the rainy leason in Kerala is from 15tb l\1nc to 16tb ~ and mid-September 249 No-Confidence SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) Motion 250

    is, usually, a bright period and, I think, the in deploring an early Roll which is Onam festival also takes place in tbe middle as it sbould be, welcome' to almos; of August. Tberefore, there is nothinK to everyone else. Isolated and demo- prevent the elections taking place in mid- ralised, the Marxists in Kerala arc September, on the date fixed for it ; and. I apparently afraid of faciDg the think, no elections will binder any fe31ival, electorate. But their plea for a post- nor any festival will binder the election ponement of tbe Kerala election tben. Our Mar"ist friends are objecting to becomes ludicrous because of tbeir tbe eleclions being fixed on that day. rhey slmultaneo.Js demand, backed by a might bave their own reasons (Inter. uptluns) recent bandb, for almost instant elecllons in West Bengal, in spite of widespread and still unchecked law- MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: Order please. lessness ..... Every Party will have its chance. You can put your points of view at tbat time. In Kerala too erruption of violence is SHRI P. P. ESTIIOSE (Muvallupuzba) taking place. In Madayi where one of the He is mi,leading lhe House. That is not by-elections took place, more than the usual proper. number of people voted allainst tbe Marxists and even lhen the)' won tbe electjon. Hut even tbat they could not bear. There has SIIRI M. MOHAMMAD ISMAIL: I am been violence in that place. In that town stating only the tacls. If tney have got coconut trees were cut. l'roperties bave b.:en anytning to controvert what I am saying, destroyed. People have been injured and thoy are free to say that. These murdered and this ha> spread uneasiness even are mere fJcts. I have been giving, only among the people of the towns in other dates and nOlhing more and what the pans of the couDlry. I bave received a Election Commission has done. And lelegram from Bombay requesting that I what has tbe Central Government got to silould pre,s the G"vcrnment for proper do with tblS, so to bring it under the no- protection. confiJence motion is another question, a common mJn cannot understand. The SHIU P. GOPALAN (Tellicberry): The leading article of a plper has in a way ref- hon. Member is deliberately misleadlnll the lected the opinion of Ihe general pUblic on House. this question. With your permiSSIOn I will just read a portion of it : SHRI PILOO MODY (Godbra); He is entitled to do tbat. "By fixing September 17 as the dale for Kerala', ne"t eleclion, lhe Chief SHRI A. SREEDHARAN (Badallara): Election Commissioner has ended un- He says that he is only misleadioll tbe necessary and a voidable uncertainty. House. rbe Deputy-Speaker is there to Since the Achutba Menon Ministry find out whelner he is misleading tbe HoU6C bas been pressing for an even earlier or not. He is lookinll at the facts from his poll, and Mr. S. P. Sen-Verma's own angle. (Interrupt/oils) consultat ions with political parties in Trivandrum concluded some time ago, the election time· table could bave MR. DEPUTY·SPJ:AKfR I would been announced sooner. But then appeal to the Memhers to maintain order. Mr. Sen·Verma and bis establisbment are hardly known for .peed and SHRI MUHAMMAD ISMAIL It dispatcb. I am only relatinll some facta that bave occurred. Wby sbould people feci toucby Significantly, the CPI (M) and its when I am narratin. tboac iJlcidcDts Ill" nondeecript allies ill Keral. are ~ facts. 2S1 NooCDrl/idence JULY 29, 1970 Yo/lOTI 252

    MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: When difference between increase in the electorate there is • point of order. it it my duty to of Kerala aDd of any other States in the hear it and after that to rule whether it i; a country. point of order M oot. Kitldly make , brief submission. Speaking on the No-oonfidence Motion, I want to touch upon one or two more SHRI P. GOPALI\N (Tellicherry): points, apart from the Kerala elections. In the Madayi constitueucy there is an is- land called Mattoo which is predomineDtly Sir, the Leader of the Opposition is a • Muslim league area in that constituency likeable person so Car as I know. and Hindus are in a minority. ADd re- eently ... But, now. when I saw his performance yesterday and also one or two performances MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; What is the of his prcviously too,-and the performance poiot of orde r 1 of tbe Mover oC the 1\10tion,-1 was very much distressed to note that the level of the Debate had gone down very very much below SHRI p. GOPALAN: 140 Hindu fami- tbe staDdard. lies were driven out of that area by the Muslim Lenlue goondas. He is attributing violence on our part. But this i. the real Instead of speaking on thc policy, on situation there. 140 families were thrown the contents of tbe policy, tbey bave PUt out of the constitueDcy by the Muslim their case on a point of concenl ration of power in a single hand a nd in league 1I0c-ndas. dOing so they have indulged in person- al atlacks. That is something that SHRI A. SREEDHARAN : Mr. Gopa- does not at all carry conviction to the Ian has placed misleading information before peopl¢ and 10 the Members of the Housc. the House. I have visilcd Madayi consli- We must keep up the standard of debale tuency nnd I know about the position at a high level and we must criticise on·y there. the policy, the method and action of the Government. MR. DEPU1Y-SPEAKER: am ,orry, there is DO poiot of order. Mr. Ismail. This does not mean that we ourselves please try to conclude. have no difference, with the policy of the Government. We have got our own com- plaints. Hut the manner in which they are be- SHRI M. MUHAMMAD ISMAIL: ing attacked by the friends mentioned is not That is tbe positioo, Sir, io Kerala. Whll 1 proper. Reshuffling is not peculiar to the bave stated are only facts which are happen- ~ Government. Reshuffling of pon- Ing there and can be seen in Kerala and I folios is taking place in (he Government oC do not think that anybody caD dispute tho.e the various States in India and elsewhere as Cacts. But they may have their own I'iew well. Therefore, it is a malier between tbe of thinls. Prime Minister and Ihe Cabinet. The way in which thcy have been attacking that Now, with regard to tbe electoral roll, action of the Prime Minisler only makes they speak of the increase in the percentage. pe)ple to think that they want to drive a Sir, the peopie oC Kerala are spread all over wedge between the Prime Minister and tbe the oolllltry in their 5e&lCh for employment. other members oC the Cabinet. They keep coming home in ~ and thousands in a season and go out. I do MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: The hon. not see lUIy relUOD for any spe:iai treatment Members should try to conclude now. Dr. In this rcprd aDd there is notbinl to wonder Govind Das. with regard., tbe pemmtap oC increase in population 0' increaso il the matter of Ihe SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT ~ roll. Actually there is not much (Kozhikode): A lot oC time wal taken up 2~3 No.Confidence SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) IJOIion in the points of order. So, some m:>re time .To ~ ~ ~~ : 3~ may be given to him. \ift, ~ ~ !flT ~ 'fiT lffiffCf ;;IT MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He has ~ OfrlfT lJ'lfT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ already exceeded the time. He should Iry to

    Shri Dal Raj Madhok does not lose aoy ~ lffif[Cf ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ W ~ I oppurtinity of bringing Muslim League and ~ ~ Oil ifr "Tif ~~ q-Q:(:r ~ was raising its ugly head once again. I find lIIfofffi'lJ ~ smrrq) it 'tii;t ;rf I!I''T ~ he does not ko)w the real facts about the Muslim League. The Muslim League has 'tiUif "@ ifnl f'fi{ ~ ~ 1:@' ~ I been existing even before he came to tbis part of the country. The Muslim League was represented by its representatives in the ~ ~ lfTt'ff 'tiT ~ "" Constituent Assembly and they took aclive '3'tI'rf"1' ~ III ~ I it ~ ~ ~ il'q:;r part in the framing of the Constitution; ~~ \ift ~ f'ti ~ qpf'tiT ~

    SHRI M. MUHAMMAD ISMAIL: What is it that he is objecting to in the constitution of the Muslim Leallue or its activities? Let him cite one instance in .,. 0 ritW. {m : IflfT ~ ~ ~ which the Muslim League was responsible fllr provoking any action of ill·will amongst \if) 'tiT ~ ~ ~ iJll'> it, ~ the people. Let him cite one instanec in Ofi@T OlTlr ~ wr.t it; fort:!; ~ qrit ? which he can prove that the Muslim League waa cogaged in that kind of thing A mino- ~ ~ lJii " ~ mIflfr lI'!!: ~

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    ~ 'U1f ~ ~ it ~ qq;rr ~ I wif; 3m: ~~ ~ 'liT ~ f.rll<: ~ I ~ f.i;lrT I ~ w ~ it ~ i.\T it 'lill ~ ~ ~ i I ~ iJUf ~ ~ I ~ ~ f'li ~ ~ ~ ~ m;;rfiA; ;;r'fq;r if; ~ if; ~ ~ ~ ~ it ~ I ';3"'lTSlflff;;rr, mqr<: q<: it ~ ~~ lImIT t I ~ ~~~~~ WT ~ it it eft lfiTf ;::rt;rtf ~ ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ mq ~ ~ i.!C iTT:J; eft ~ 'liT ~ ~~~~ ,;uf @ ~ mm ~ I Ni<: ~ org- ~ ;iT ~~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ eft ~ q"<: ~ I ~ I 1Jit eftl:fi.! m.T m<: '+IT m;;r ~ ~ f<;ro; ztJ'liCTT ~ I ~ mill ~ W'IiT it ~ ~ ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~ it eft ~ lfff ~ I ~ ;;fliT fq<:N i!i<:ffi ~ I ~ ~ ~ miT rnf,a'li ~ I ~ CTi!i 'RT 'liT ~~ ~ ~ ~ 'Trfurili SHRI SEZHlYAN (Kumbakonam): 'Ti.\'Y ~ I ~ mfurili 1Jit ~ ll'9 ~ Yesterday when the no-confidencc motion waa admitted, the Speaker told the HoUle ~ that he had received three no-confidcncc motions, one by Mr. A. K. Gopalan, an- if;.itlf ~ 'fiT l1'iIiaT ~ 3m: ~ other by Mr. P. Ramamurti and a third by ~ ~ ~ ~~ Mr. Madhu Limaye. If the chancel had 'liT f'f"l<: I iIiT iliTli'il'Ti.\T ~ f.!; and the country are entitled to hear what it.;illf ~ lfiT ~ ~ I ~ W they want to say on the subject. Every- body wants to know wbat their apprehen- ~ il>T m'+l Q.li{ qlm ~ ~ I lfi.\ it mq sions are in this matter. ~ ~ "i.\T ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;rT'R ~ ~ if; mqr<: q"<: 'lii.\ W t, when a member of the Communist Party told me that they were going to brlnl W ~ it 48 ~ ... ~ it t I itit ~ ~ this motion, I said it was their internecine

    SHRI SEZHIYAN : Now they are is that conclusion correct? Mere quoting one. of figures does not prove the conclusion. Whether and how they arive at th;, conclu- sion-the CP (M) will say after going I am morc interested in hearing Mr. through thc list I know the figures for GJpalan as to the exact apprehension of Tamil Nadu. During the last four year theirs in Kerala and the other point of view there have been 63 lakhs inclUsion and 45 may ~ be explained by Mr. DJnge. lakhs deletions. Anyone can a,k : how hl9 Now we are concerned wilh the no-confi- this happcnd I Cln assure )0" th1l there dence motion of Mr. Limaye. aas been no complaht that the electoral rolls had been rigged in Tamil Nadu. Though it is a one line motion saying that this House expresses its want of confiden:e in the Council of ~ there are three SHRI NAMBlt\R (TiruchirJppali): points in support of it, VIZ., the r"pJrled There is no elcc'ion in Tamil Nadu in the mainpulation of the eleClOral rolls in Kerala next fr.!w weeks; there is ample tim:. In and the imposit on of a minority Govern- Kerala the elections are to be he'd wllhin a ment there; exce5'ive concentration of pow"r few weeks. There is no compari'on. in the hands of the Prime Minister. Clbinet Secretariat and the Prime Minister's Secre- SHRI SEZHIYAN: I am dealing wilh triat; and dilution of the principle of figures only. The da!e:ion s or iuclusions Ministerial contr,,1 and general bureau:ra- are not the results of doaths or births during tisation. All these things by themselves are the last three or feJUr ~ child:rcn of matters of academic interest and slujy and two anti three years of age arc not reg s· deserve the allention not only of this House tered as voters. uniess Dr. Ram Subhal! but all those who believe in democracy in the Singh occupies that side and changes the country. law. One should he 21 years to get into voters' list. This prOliferation, if any We are mainly concerned with thi. form shold have happend so "cwhere in 1947 and of the no confidence motion. In that thing 1948 and Keralities were perhaps more they say that there has been rigging of the jubilant afler Independence. (All han. Mem- eloctoral rolls. If so, it is a selious charge be' : In Tamil Nadu ?) ... In Tamil Nadu and the Election Commission should be also. Besides, inclusion does not mean a seized of il. I do not want th is Goverom:nt. new enterant or a new birth. It may mean whelher it is headed by the Prime Minister a'teration. If a person goes from one ward Indira Gandhi or anybody else. to give any to another, thrre is addiltion in one Iht and directiun what so ever to the Elec';on Commi- deletion in an<>ther A person who changes his ssion this way or that way' It mayor may residence will not be entitled to vote unless not he true·-this charge. If we are convinced he makes corresponding changes in lhe that the Election Commission is in the voters' list. I do DOt blame family planning wrong, there is a remedy in the Constitution: for this nor do I want the ~ kind of we can express our want of confidence in blame thrown upon Tamil Nadu because 01 tile Chief Election Commissioner just as we 63 lakhs jnclusions and 41 lakhs deletions. can expr

    Constitution sives so much powers. There one or five or a dozen persons or 53 per- is the accusation of the grabbina of power. sons, I am very much concerned about this ~ it is srabbing of power or of land concentration of power. This concentra- or grabbing a vehicle or grabbins a woman, tion of power could have been avoided, and and grabbing is bad, From the Nexalire area my suggestion is, decentralise as maay we are lold that land is being grabbed, tha I powers as possible, and give them to Ihe women are being grabbed. It is sometbing States. different here. Here, it is the question of a woman grabbing power, It is the mini-terial reshuffle about which the speakers were AN HO:-l. MEMBER: That is the seriously agitated When Dr. Ram Subhag solulion. (illlerruptilJlI). Singh was speaking, he expressed his serious dissati.f.ction about the reported SHRI SEZHIYAN : As per the Consti- demotions and displacements in the Cabinet tution, we provided certain powers Now, BlIt I wou'd call this only as a PangaU you have combined and taken over all Chondai. Blood is thicker thaa water and those powers. My point is, whether it is so probably Dr. Ram Subhag Singh is very Shd Chav.n or anj blldy elso, do not lIive much concernad with the welfare of som. so much power to anyone. Once) ou give Ministers, his ex c,,;league;. If ~ certain powers, than tbey try to Con. en- Mr. Cbavan is demclled, so to say, it hurts trate those powers. My point i" lake .. way him. If Mr. Dinesh Singh is removed or lhe powers and I;ve them to the Scates changed, it hurts him Therefore Dr. Ram except vital matters like defence or externai Subhag Singh expres,ed sympathy for Shri atfJirs or communi.:atiou or curreacy, etc. Chavan, his pity for Shri FJkhruddin Ali Ahmed and is peturred over the change of part fo!io to Shri Dinesh Singh and otbers. AN HON. MEMBER r I agree. He is so much agitated that probably, he may go over there, set things right and come back here against P.obab!y such is his an SHRI SEZHIYAN: If he aarees with xiet)'. Thererly. Thus against Shri Fakhruddin; nor aglinst Shri conceDiration of powers CJn be avoided. ' Dinesh Singh. He has on:y got son.e hing against Ihe Prime Minister who according 10 him has become a diclator. If she has really I do not want to take much lime of become a dictor, those who are on the other the ~ ~ tlte composition of side would be more ~ thln those tbe partners who are now going to support who are here. We should look at the the no·confidence mot bn, 1 think that the coliective performance of the whole Cabinet, Marxist party has cxpre,sed earlier-that is and I do not want to sing:e out any indi- my presumption and 1 think it will be vidual in that context, e pecially a lady. correct - that they want to give expression After all, she may have five, 10 or 53 to their apprehension/through a dtscus>illn, Minis:er. We should judge the perfor- whether it is through a no confidence mance of the Government as a whole as motion or an adjournment motion or any- per the Constitution : the performance of thing else; because they are &0 much exer- the entire Cabinet or tbe entire Mrnistry, cised over the issues. Their main aim is If anything goes wrong, attack tbe entire to hrinll forth the maUers to the atteotion Ministry or tbe entire Government. Do of the House. I think they are not very not single out anybody; that docs not help much intereoted in toppling this Go,ern- anyone. (/"Ierruplion) ment, to be fair to them. The position miaht bave cbanlled after tbe Rabat debacle. Now, I agree that there is coneenlCation But then, at that time, I should like to of power ; whe:her it is in the hands of draw the attention of the House to what 263 No-Con/idmce JULY 29, 1970 Motion 264

    [Shri Sezbiyam] SURI PILOO MODY: Wait till you Sbri P. Ramamurti, tbe spokesman of tbeir listen to me I party, said. SHRI SEZUIY AN : I tboulbt Mr. He IBid: Masani WBI tbe only spokesman for his party. I find tbere are two. Yesterday Mr. "1 must confess tbat I am not con- MasaDi said l vinced about tbe advisability of bavinl attended tbis Ulnference. I believe tbe Government of India ba.e Topplinl bas nothing to do witb bungled in tbis matter." democraey, That is not the way in whicb self·respccting people come to Tbat was bis reaction tben in relation power". to tbe adjournment motion. Wby? Ue went on to say : They are all self.rcspeccting people and "Neitber am I one of tbose wbo therefore I think tbey are not interested in believes tbat the policies of Shrimati toppling the Government. Indira Gandbi are going to be extre- mely progressive." "Democratic people come 10 pOwer arter an appeal to the people and a It Is no iIlullon. mandate of tbe electorate ... We wan t to come to power by the mandate of "Nonetbeless, wbat is the choice the people. We will not listen to before us? Whom do tbe Jan the ad VICC of peo pIe, .• Let us topple Sangb-Swataotra-Syndicate combine Shrimati Jndira Gandhi and then see represent in our country? Wbat is it what comes to India". You cannot tbat thoy are pleading for?, .. We all fight somelhing with oothing. You know wbat is in store for the country have got to fight somethlDg witb if tbey come to power now." something better."

    Tberefore, at tbat time, on that issue, I agree, I fully endorse this sentiment. be bad definitely gi,en his opinion that tbe Government bad bungled. SHRI R. K. AM IN (Dhandhuka): Is that the DMK view? SURI PILOO MODY : Wby don't you quote Mr. Manobaran ? SURI SEZHIYAN: Yes; tbere is no point in removing something and baving SURI SEZHIYAN : I can quoto Mr. somethinll worse. We want something Manobaran also. I do not want Mr. Mody's better and we will wait till tbat opportuniry assistaDce in tbat matter. comes. If ahe does not come up to expectations, we arc ready to dissociate So, tbat was Mr. Ramamurti's positioD Our support is always conditional and tben. I bope bo wi II take tbe same position qualified to tbat extent. now. Ho may foci tbat tbe actions of tbe Government may not be progressive. Tbere may be riggins of tbe electoral rolls in With tbese words, I oppose tbe no- Kerala. On tbat score, be may find fau It confidence motion tbat bas been moved, witb the Elcclion Commi.lion and tbo because it is so much a no·confidence Kerala Government. motion against tbe Election Commission aad alainst the Kerala Government. I do not tbink even tbe Swatantra Party I. very mucb interested in toppJinl tbi. Government. Mr. Masani bas mllde it MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Mr. ~ Gopalan. 26S No-Confitknre SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Motion 266

    SHRI A. K. GOPALAN (Kasergod): cannot certainly say tbat In West Mr. Dange is bere. Accordinll to tbe order, Bengal tbey were busy manufacturing and he sbould speak first. rigging tne rolls in expectation of immediate elect ions. It is not our viewpoint alone. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER All right. The masses, behind whichever party they Mr. Dange. are conscious of tbe fact that the rillging of the rolls and falsification of election SHRI S. A. DANGE (Bombay Central- results by this method is an impossibility. South) : Tbanks very much to Mr. Gopslan for at least recognising ODce in a while my I might cite an example for the benetit seniority. of my friends. In Andhra once we expec- ted to sweep the Congress oul of power SHRI A. K. GOPALAN I It is tbe Lok and were almost ready to from a Ministry. Sabha that recognises, not I. Then suddenly we found we had 101t. At that time somebody trotted forward the SHRI S. A. DANGE: Sir, there are tbeory that the ballot boxes had been tbree parts to the motioD of censure. The tampered witb. Then Comrade Sundarayya first part is in relation to Kerala. The case issued a statement that sucb an explanation about Kerala has been argued by my friend of tbe defeat was nonsense and non·pol ili- Mr. Madbu Limaye and argued in the cal and "our party does not agree with reverse by my fdend, the DMK leader. that". But, it seems, af.er 1955, standards What is the complaint about Kerala? It is have changed with Ihe Marxists and their tbat tbe elecdoD) are being beld sooner leadership. tban some of these gentlemen wanted. But tben I thought our Government there was With the claim which they have made, fulfilling their wishes that immediately the which I do not want 10 discuss here, that ministry's strength and the front's strength the masses were solidly behind them, why should be tested by a reference to the voters. should they be ./faird of sucb rolls 7 I thought they were consistent in their Whatever their names, they have the people political and tactical principles. with them. Against those names they can put tbe people and win. Wby should But it seems sometimes, or often, they they be afraid of it 7 are not. In Bengal they want immediate elections. In Kerala tbey want post pone- ment of the elections. In Benllal they SHRI NAMBIAR : Tbere would be want peoples' domocracy. At the Centre false voting and misrepresentation. tbey want alliance with Jansanllh and Swatantra. So, I am rather confused about the tactical line of my friends here. Anyway SHRI S. A. DANGE: Then they that docs not matter. That is not the point make so much about tbe cases, that thou- The point is ... (JllIerruptions). You can bave sands of asses are instituted. They forget your say through Shri Gopalan. that 1,000 cas:s were instituted in the reign of comrade EMS Namboodiripad as Cbief Minister. Will they Jump those cases also Now, with regard to tbe case about with tbese ? Tbey say tbat 50,000 people mortality and birth rate, that has been are involved. Not at all; the Chief Minister answered already. This revision of the has given the figures. Even ,upposing they rolls is taking placc after six years and if are, after all, they are political figbters. you see the perccntages of rise and Fall in Arc they afraid of going to polls just other States·Somebody has worked it out because they arc under-trials ? Which for me - the average net increase per year beroic Marxist will be daunted by the pros- in Kerala from 1964 comes to 2.7 per pect of a sentence and not go far votiog? cent and the average increase in Tamilnadu It is a censure on their own following 10 from 1966 comes to 2.12 per cent. In say one lakh voters are iovolved and 80 West BeD8al It is 2.08 per cent. We tbe whole electioD will be lost. What a 267 No- Confidence JULY 29, 1970 Motion

    [ Shri S. A. Dange ] of the Tamil Nadu people or some other loss oC faith in their own followinll! I people. This has no reference to genetics cannot understand it. and life at all. This is just registering here, theD there and theD somewhere else. Then, on the voting day the courts are generally closed. On the voting day you are So, the Kerala case is rather weak and I not re:juired to go to court to lose the right do not know why Shri Madhu Limaye should oC voting. What are they losing, I do not have bothered himself with this. In any know. case, this is perhaps because of the new partnership and the new alliance. I do Dot SHRI A. K. GOP ALAN: It is not want to speak much on this; perhaps, there only going to court but attending to some are other speakers wh:> may hwe to say other work also. something about it.

    SHRI S. A. DANGE : He says it is not In any case, the clectipns are going to only attending court but some other work take place. They do not waDt them. All also. But, after all some all 20 million Kera- right; if you want President's rule, if you liyas are there in their party. Why should lire so mu:h in good mood about it and its at all they worry about one lakh people? So virtues, if it will hJve a special quality iD let us leave it aside This thing about voting Kerala under: he ~ leJdaship of Shri and all these things arc very small matters A. K. Gop.lan, we have DO objection, ~ Cor bringing in a motion of no·confidence. thought that you were again,t President's rule; therefore, the hurry WJS th"re. But Then, there were three or four by elec- it seems that there is DO hurry. There are tions recently, about four months back. two standards-oDc in West BengJI and ODe At that time the rolls were not rigged; they in Kerala. were the same; but they did not wMry about it at that time. Why are they worrying As regards the resign1tion of the Minis· about it now 7 Most probahly because the try, the Ministry is pn:plrcd to ~ Jt Marxists have changed their mood. They ~ not resign only for Ihe simple reason think it is better to be busy with the rolls th" if the rcsigneJ the election, could b" than with the masses. So, at the time of ~ till ~2 In fact, they should the four by·elections four months back, no have thanked us thal we did DOL en Ible the worry is there, because something has chan. olher side to postpone thcm till 197Z as they ged. What is the change? The political arc able to do in Bengal. So, th.t is our atmosphere h as changed. case about Kerala. There is not much of a political qu.trrel in these rolis and I have here a very nice example of how othcr things and I would leave II at the birth rate of their rolls is increasing in that. Kerala. I got it from sornc of these people themselves. There is an MP . he is a mem- ber of the Rajya Sabha-who was registered The more important part of the censure in one constituency. Then he went and motion is tbe second part, that is, the con- realstered himself in another constituency. centration of power, I am sO sorry that (I thought, the MPs knew the rules better.) the proposition has not been properly put. Shri E. M. S. Namboodiripad comptained ls there a concentration of power? What to the Commissioner that his name was not is the main reason for it 7 The main reason there at ell; this was victimisa!ion. Then, for it is that the concentration of political a verification was made and his n.me was power follows from the base, that is the found at two places, NaturallY, that was concentration of economic po .... er against the birth rate of the voter. It is simple. which the Constitution warns, nam:ly that If 50,000 people go and register themselves if property i, cJncentrated in the hands of a in other 50,00', places, the birth rate is few people to the detriment of society, demo- naturally bound to be double or treble in cracy also ceasrs to be in exi.teace and dict.- spite of the quality of the Kerala people or torial trends begin to take ~ of demo- 269 No-Confidence SRAVAMA "'T, 1892 (SAKAl Motion 270 -.f\ A ~ cracy. That is the real proposition about 15 Hrs, the concentration of power. What is the use of saying whether Sh, i Chavan is dis- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) placed by Shri Swaran Singh or Shri Swaran Mr, Pillo Mody as the Healb Minister, Singh is displaced by Shri Jagjiwa" Ram and SHRI S. A. DANGE: In that case, all that, because their power flows from con- he will form a Ministry of Slimmins. That centration somewhelc else? Unless that will be the effect of his being tbe Health concentrati01 is broken. real democracy Minisler. ~ functioning in the political system of the country "ill not come and the democracy So, Sir, what I was sa}ing Is that the of the Constitution will not get its correct concentration of power follows from the expression. So, the proposition was put concentration of economic power and, tbat forward by my hon. friend, Shri Madhu way, Slale power has to be analysed. It is Limaye, rather fmm an unsociahstic point the concert rat ion of power of the bourgeois of view though I do not expect him to follow rnd landlord system. Unless that system is t he socialism as I define it. 1 have no destroyed, you will not have the real grudge about that whh him, but I thought democratisation of the State power, It is a that the proposition was not being argueJ simple proposition. It was, in fact, envis- correctly in this House. aged by the framers of the Constitution, nut, unfortunately, at present, even tbe Marxists whJ wanted to tbrow out tbe It is not a queslion of concentration of Constitution lock, stock and barrel, are power in the hands of the Prime Minister, now discussing parliamentary democracy Shrimati Indira Gan,ihi. Supposing, this and concentration of power and so on, vote is carried-taking it for granted - with the help of all this gentry here and we are Then, in regard to tbe quotation which given an alternative, what type of concentra- my han. friend of the D. M. K. Party save tion is substituted by what type of a new about Mr. Ramamurti, let me inform bim concentration? Will it be the destrucdon and for the ~ of other people also of concentration of pllwer and will it be a that that Marxi_t Party's formulation has match towards democracy? If this re,olu- changed now. In tbeir last Central Com- tion is carried. first we will have a Cabinet mittee deliberations, the proposition about "hh Shri Macarji Desai as the Prime the character of the Indira Gandhi Govern- Minist,r, (An HOIl. M"mba: No.) with ment has changed. It has now been Shri Ral Raj M"dhok as the Defeoce Minis- described as a fdscist Government of land· ter, dbrlacing the Indian Army by the lords and bourgeois allied with imperialism, vast army of the RSS and the Shiv Sena. That is the latest cbanlle. (Interrllption) Then we .... ill have Shri M. R. Masani as To tbem now that side is also fascist; tbis the Finance Minister, selling all the pupiic side aloo is fascist. Whicb i. to be put sector plants tll the house of Tatas. Will allainst whicb at a lIiven moment is nOI that he a progress towards democracy if for them the concorn of democracy and that side is displaced and tbis side marches concentration oC power at all I wanl the in 1 House and the leadership of all the parties to take up the motion of concentration of SHRI PIlOO MODY (Godhra): Yes. power seriously, I am not of the opinion that power is gettinll more concentrated politically today tban lalt year. AN HON MEMBER: Tbere will be ele

    [Shri S. A. Dange] Tberefore. tbe danger 01 de·concentra- was displaced from the tion of the political power at the Centre Cabinet, it was a welcome event. That being met with and defeated by this con- was a step in the direction of prevent- centration of economic power is multiplied iDg the most uDhealthy concentratio n and larger houses are now gOlDg to com- of power in the bourgeois and land- mand more than 50% of the capital in this lord class. The division of the CongreS1 country. Therefore, the proposition of party ilself and the breaking up of the concentration sbould be discussed on some leadership was a step towards de·conc:n- other motion in a more detailed way, in a tration of power, and not towards more more scientific way rather than in this concentration of power. Therefore_ this haphazard way. How to fight concentra- event ~ be pursued. This line of tion? As far as we are concerned, most of development should be enc('luraged and this the left parties are agreed tbat unless you line of development should not be arrested strengthen the mass movement, deconcentra- Otherwise. imagine all these panies of t ~ tion cannot be acbieved and the concentra- ultra-right continuing in I heir career of tion of power in the hands of the bourgeois displacing the other party. and what would landlord class cannot be fough t. The signs be the outcome? Would it be lesser are good. For example, a CRP Policeman cor,centration or more concentration, in an beat a railway shunter. Immediately un he 1llhy direction or in a healthy direc- 40,COO railwaymen began to strike work. tion? J do not know why this proposition That is the way to fight concentration of was really put forward by my comrade Power. lands are lying with the big Shri Madhu Limaye. I never expected landlords. We are going to occupy them, him 10 mis-read the events of July, 1969 in yve. hope ,:"e will succeed. Actually already a wrong way. The July 1969 evenls are to It IS bavlDg an effect on the concentration be pursued to a logical ,:nd until the of power. For example, even a Chief ramnants of those who were expelled are Minister like Mr Brahmananda Reddy, who further expelled from that side since they does not hesitate to sboot down the are slill hiding under cover here and there. Telengana fellows, asked one of his Ministers to part with 400 acres of land and hand it over to tbe landless labourers. I do ~ the mol ion of No-confidence. These are good signs. Bu t what are they But that does not mean that J am for a due to? They are due to tt.e fact that the vote of confidence in the other side as it is. masses started struggling and tbat is the Why? For the simple reason that still real guarantee to decentralising the un- further changes to the left are necessary in healthy power that is concentrated at the policies of the present Government. present in the hands of tbe Government. Those changes are necessary. We are now trying to see that those changes take place on the question of land concentration. SHRI JYOTlRMOY BASU (Diamond Thousands of acres are conccntr"ed in the Harbour) : But Mrs. Gandhi is recruitinll hands of the Birlas who are getting more more and more CRP men. and more concessions. That ought to be stopped. Otherwise, the direction of con- SHRI S. A. DANGE : Tberefore, what centration of power will go in an unhealthy have pointed out was tbat we should way--the concentration of power in the concentrate on the question of class power hands of the biggest monopolies which are and not on power of individuals. Indivi- now multiplying. The latest ilsue of the duals are but tbe expression of the classes Comyany Law Report and the magazine behind them and from tbat follows tbe Ihat they issue-many of us will benefit by strength of the hureaucMcy. The strength of reading that-says that 20 large houses bureaucracy has arown. No doubt about that. which were mentioned in the Dutt Report Why has it grown? Because the Ministerial have now become still larger and multiplied comp('lsition of the Cabinet is sucb that in number, alncentrating greater economic everyday a Minister changing meaDS no power in the hands of a few houses than guidance in the Ministry and even if there that was before. iJ a progressive policy, it is not acted upon. 273 No-Confidence SRAVANA 1,1892 (SAL, Motloll

    I may tell you here whal one Manager of diclatinl -decisions alainst the wilhes of the the Railways at present managed by our trade union movement and the Minister Sadhu leader. Mr. , said. says, yes. I will live you one example. When we complained to the Manager he said Since my time is up, I wish to lay thll. 'Don'( take about the Ministers'. We What I have been 51 ying was that this are permanent people who run the subject of concentration of power should be Department. Ministers are like casual ~ iD a more seriou' way. NOW, it il labour. They come and go: (Imerruptlon6) rather lale in the day 10 say so. But this I had an experience of this myself. About quest ion has not been raised today; it was one closed mill in Bombay which four 1 here already; only thing is. Ihis has not Marwaris of Kanpur arc holding in ransom. been taken up seriously at all. The flnt we knocked 3t the door of every Minister question of concentralion of power of a including the Prime Minister everybody pro. Minister or B King was raised and you mised immediate relief and the immediate should kno" it.-in Mahabharat by Arjun relief is that the mill continues to rewain wbo asked the question for reply from closed with the workers' wages held back. Bhishma a simple question. He asked : I Several lakhs of rupees are held in abeyance am a man with two eyes; I am like any and not paid to them. It is a nice good other man with two handl. two eycs. But mill. Jt is not run because it does not why the other man should obey me and aive suit the interests of the Chief Minister of me the right to become a kina and be a Maharashtra to open that mill and the subjects 1 Who brought tbls about 1 And bureaucracy down below is in the good wbo gave me power to rule over tbe other books of these millowners. Don't you man who has not got the power to refuse to know how the bureaucracy functions 1 be ruled 7 Tbis is the question, tbo-theory of Take an nample. We are opposed to the the State, the question of class power and National ~ Commission. They pro- how power ccmes, which arc raised in posed lhat this question of adjudication, Debates in tbe bistory book of Mallabha,at. conciliation be given to tbe Industrial And then a reply was given. I don't want to Relations Commission composed of Judges go into that. and so on so that an owner or a Minister or a bureaucrat cannot influence Ibe results. The bureaucrats stoutly opposed it and the The entire thing is based on the slruggle Minislers could not oppose the bureaucrats. of classes of property and non-property. Labour Minister of all the States said, No, dispossessed and possessed. This Itrugll. we musi have this power' because every has been goiog on in thit country. Tbat bureaucrat down below says Gentlemen, struggle has been there under Hindu rul. you will be in trouble if you start handling or Muslim rule or British rule or in PUleDt the files yourself'. Wby? Because really day Congress rule. Minislers do not know tbeir own subjects. So, that is the essence of the question. Tbat question has got to be solved by a If the Ministers change every third day, real fiaht for a democracy and tbat flahl in those 3 days they have no time to must be begin by nationalisation of tbe bil acquaint themselves witb their subjects, ~ Then tbelO aentlemen wbo except those Minister wbo have done a round want to concentrate power in tbe hand of tbe of all the Ministers at one time or the otber big bouses will lose their concentrated power But that is a ~ matter. That is there, and democracy will really start Oowin •. They are like casuals that are employed io Then alone workinl class can really aovern Railway Service. Casuais are there In tDe country, the peasantry can let tbeir Railways even for 14 years, permanent demands. the problem of the ordinary work- casuals, Bnt tbey aather knowledae ; otbers in. class and tb. unemployed ca.n be don't. solved.

    And therefore, Sir. we have lot thll The unemployment problem cannot be spectacle of the bureaucratl c:omiDa aad 'solved either by MA. Indira Gandhi or tho No-Confidence JULY 29. 1970 Motion 216

    [Shri S. A. Dangel goinl to control them? You may please del-ate about it. You may take all tbe Home Miniltry or ~ taking about journals. They are there before you. I am good wishes for the unemployed. not talking of facls which are in my own pocket only. Dut you are not dealing with My prOpOStllOn is that this type of it. Why are you not dealinll with it? Of debate of no· confidence is not going to give wbom are you afraid? It is true that the us any results. The debate should be based Supreme Coun slopped you for some time, on foundations of science. dealing with and custodians were imposed. But fortuna- management of society. nature of political tely some ~ ran away and some power and nature of democracy in this have resigned and all that. Therefore, Ihe enuntry, and the necessity to really put the point is tbat the banks continue still to be working people, the peasants and the midd!e controlled by the monopolists who are the class and the working class in power. friends of Shri M. R. Masani. Shri M. R. Unles. tbat is done, tbis problem cannot be Masani's proposition whicb he olTered as solved. perhaps a solution was this ...

    There is one example I will give now. Banks were nationali.ed. A good measure. SHRI NAMBIAR Now, he is sup- Tbey could not have been nationalised if poning tbe motion 7 . Morarji Desai had not been dismissed as he was last year. But wbat is the difficu1y now 7 T he banks are being managed by SHRI S A. DANGE : . that tbe rfason why concentration i< taking place is that the the bureaucrats and Rs. 130 crores are handed over to the apeculative market and public sector has increased and private enterprise is going down. Tbat was ooe prices go up by 7% or 9%. This has proposition wbich he made and he said 'appnred in the StatesmUlI, the Times 01 India and other papers, and they said, this that if private enterprise grew then demo- tbing must stop, Then the Governor of tile cracy automatically would grow. The borne Reserve Bank comes in, and says; yes, yes, . of private enterprise is America; the home of private enterprise is England. And we have seen that too ~ money was the American Senate says that coneentra- . Biven, we are calling it back. That happen- tioo of power is takinll place in the hands edin F

    The old speculators, the old directors, SHRI M. V. KRISHNAPPA (Hoskote): the old lanpters who played with the The no-confidence motion has heen brougbt deposits of the people are all slill there in forward on a trivial and very small mailer power along with the old bureaucrats. And and much has already been said, to which therefo re if Mr. Chavan says that more replies bave also been given, In a demo- . deposit s be mobilised, I say, No, Sir, the cratic armoury, a no-confidence mOlion is 'more the deposits, today, IIreater the like the Brahmastra or tbe mightiest weapon speculiation. These resources sbould not be in a democracy is the no-confidence motion, mobilised unless you live the guarantee and it should not be used often and on that these deposits will not be put at tbe trivial matters. If it is DO used, it will lose dispolial of tbe speculative mBlket, Wbo is all itl importance. 277 No-Confidence SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) ~ 278

    am sorry to lay that Shri Madhu by paying a nominal fee, one can enlist as a Limaye has brought forward this no-coo- voter if his name is nol there. That being fidence-motioo on a very small and trivial so. there is no mean;ng in Shri Limaye matter aod the cry that there is a tiger. My crying that (here is some golmal going on only worry is that when there is really a in (he electoral rolls of Kerala. tiger and the cry is heard, nobody will pay attention to it, and one would be swallowed Coming to concentration of power, as by the very no-confidence mot ion which Shri Dange has said, it is uncharitable for has lost its value now. the Mover to interfere with the inner politics of our p'rty. After all, it is the Prime Minister's prerogative. Once she takes anybody in her Cabinet, it is for her As regards Kerala voters, since yester- to distribute the power among the members day, much has been said and replies have of (he Cabinet, and no member of the also been given. There could not be a Cabinet has any bminess (0 think tbat this more proper reply to this than Sbri S. A. portfolio is important or that portfolio is Dange's Observation on this matter. I important. Once .hey are in the Cabinet. it have been very mu;h ~ with is a joint responsibility. I have been a Kerala since the last twenty-five year$. Minister for 15 years I know the sU;lreme Since I come from an area adjoin'ng power lies in the Chief Minister or the Kerala, I have been asked to be either an Prim: Minish·r. Even though plrticular observer or to take part in every general portfolios are hlndled by individual elections in Kerala for the last twenty-five ~ the Prime ~ can call for year;. My experience is that the Kerala any paper or file at any time .he likes. To voters need not be protected by Shri M.ldhu say that there is concentration of ~ in Liruaye. They know how to protect them- one hand i. quite wrong and 85 I SJid, it selves. They are high y enligh en,d people is wrong on the part of Shri Limaye to and Kerala is a highly literale State. My interf«e wi h the inner politic, of our party experience there has been that even the and try to ~ ab)ut ,o:ne d fferences dead people come out and vote during the among us It is nM so. '1 he Cabinet eleclions. DUrin. the elections, I have works as a (earn on a jJint re.p msibility seen a number or people who arc dead, basis. In f.lct, some of u, foel that the whose Dames are not in the ~ list, Prime Minister should have taken more who have come and voted. When that is portfolios under her charge and d:l·t with the ease, I do not think that there would tho ~ going on in th! CJUOlry. That be anY possibility of those who are entitled being so, I d I not think the Prime Minister to VOle and whose names have been lefl out, has taken more portfolios (han she could being prevented from exercising their manage, and Shri Limaye sh.lUid be to:d ~ that he should n(' here.!ft" medd:e with our party politics,

    The Election Commissioner has revised As regard. Dr. Ram Suhhas SinSh, I the voters' Ii,t. He has given comparative am surprised to lee how the Doc:cr figures concerning the adj ~ States also. chanses. Only 11 months a.lo when he W'S He says that compared to those figures, a m"mber of the Cabinet, everything was all .here is nothing unusull in tile ~ of right. Now according to him. it is corrupt voters in Kerala and there is no mal- and there are cliqu:s and everything has practice done in the voters' list. Wh:n gone wronll. I can tell him afler the depar- that is the case, I do not know why Shri ture of Shri Morarji Desai and others from Limaye should feel concerned; when in a the Cabinet, there are no cliques in the State like Kerala eveD tbe dead come out Cabinet and there is a homogeneous team and .ote, I do not know why he has taken functioning with one leader and followers up the cue of those who arc entitled to unlike on the other side in their party where vole, whose Dames have been enlisted. The there are more leaders and les. followers. I Election Commissioner has given more tell Dr.Ram Subhal Singh that he should not time, two or three days. Even afterwards have Ipoken in this m.nner. He is ao old No-Con/ick"ce ruLY 29, 1970 Mollof! 280

    [Sbrl M. V. Kriahnappa] SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Is he a bin- friend of mine in this House since nearly srapher of the Prime Minister? 18 yean. SHRI M. V. KRISHNAPPA: I want To Shri Madhok. everything looked to tell Mr. Madhok that because of her like dictatorship here. To him, our Prime bcldnesa the whole country appreciates her, Minister looks like a dictator. He com. whether sbe is gains to fulfil all that she pared bere to Hitler and Stalin put togetber. has promissed immediately or not. Because Someone from tbe '0' Congress said tbat of her boldness sbe looks like a dictator to the prime Minister looks like Mussolini Me. Madhok. She has more sense then all also. There is no doubt the Prime Minis- the dictators put together, Stalin. Hitler. ter has emerged the stronsest leader in the Mussolini and Franco, and she acts as a country. In the Syndicate, everyone now is democrat, sbe is not a dictator, frustrated. Yesterday Mr. Kripalani mentioned the old story. how the Congress candi jate in The leaders of the '0' Congress wbo have (he Presidential election was defeated. It been functioning as king-makers making was unnecessary for him to refer to it. My Ministen and dismissing tbem, for 30 years, reply is (hat Mr. Kripalani, in the same now feel frustrated because tbe Prime Minister breath, sbould ask the Congress (0) how the boldly protested and sent them out. Now Presidential candidate was selected. Was it they are helpless. disappointed and frustrat· not a cOUP. W:lS there not almost a clique? cd and to tbem, she lonks like a dicta- In the annals "r Indian history or the tor. political party which be served for nearly 30 years, was there any instance where tbe Presidenti.1 can didate was selected by vote Is the Prime Minister of India a dicta- in five minutes 1 Does it not amount to tor 1 Wby sbould sbe be 1 She has re- a coup, does it not amount to a clique '/ nounced almost everything. The one house Wby sbould Shri Sanjiva Reddy, who was which her grandfather had giwn to ber, a very popular Speaker bere, and who was Anand Bhavan, she hall gifted to tbe nation. becoming more popular, have been draiRed She socs to the people immediately after in:o the Presidential election 1 Mr. Kripa- Parliament's session is over and even during lani should apply his mind to these prob- the session. They gatber in million,\ round lems and see whetber it ~ correct on the ber. She speaks to them. understands part of the Consress (0) leaders to have their feelings. They cheer her and wish behaved in this manner. ber. I have seen her going about amidst people without caring for the polico bando- basI. Some people cry "God bless you, When there was a coup, certainly the madam". and tbat is tbe spontancous feeling Prime Minister bad t'l protest. and she of the people in this country. To call her protested_ Not only did she protest, she ,a dictator Is sometbing wbich nobody can taught them a lesson, and by teaching them tolerate. A dictator would never facc bis a lessoD, sbe bas done the r igbt thing. I people, but our Prime Minister milles with want to tell Mr. Kripalani that he should millions of people. I challollse tbem to so to not be blind to the blunders committed by lIIe countryside and see whether they can face the Congress (0), Is it" because bis belter 10 mpy people as the Prime Minister of half is on that lide 1 India faces. Sbe works 18 hours in the day wbon you people want to reduce eisht workins hours In tho day. She wears the aim- We welcome the neutrality of Mr. plest of c1otbes, What for on eartb should Kripalani: He bas served long the country ,he become a dictator 1 She is workins for and tbis Parliament, but when this neutra- tbi' natioa, its progress and wberever sbe lity is blind to tbe blunders committed by 11005, tbousands and millions ftock to tbe Congress (0) and simply condemns the lIer, prime Minister and tbis party, what right 281 No·Confidence SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Mot",11 282 bas Mr. Kriplani to ask for tbe neutrality be free and fair. I do .Dot want to 10 into of tbe Government in world politics? So, constitutional points. I only want to say I appeal bim to be impartial in tbese tbat the continuation of the Mini.try is m'ltters. illegal and unconstitutional. There is a news item in the Times o/II/dia from TrivandrulU SHRI A.K. GOPALAN (Klsergod): I which reads as follows : "Tho Kerala requested you to call me aner Shri Dlnge Governor Mr. Viswanathan dissolved the because I tbought that there w;)uld be some State Assembly on tbe advice of the Cbief points which I could answer, but unfortu· ~ Mr. Achutha Menon and anna· nately as far as Kerala is concerned, tbere unced fresh eleclion. Mr. ~ wbo spranll were no valid points made by him. He tbe biggesl surprise of his career a. Chief only wanted to discuss the tactical line. I Minister told tbe reporters that be advised do not want to discuss the tactical line of the dissolution of the Assembly J,O end Ihe our party here, I will do it outside at the present 'uncertainty', and to win a fresb time of the elec-tion. The tactical line of mandate pouibly within the next three or bis party is that in 1967 it was against tbe four months." What is the' uncertainty' ? Congress, in 1970 it is in alliance with the whetber he bas Ibe majority. Woen he him· Congress, and in 1971 I think bis party's self says tbat there was uncertainty, ono tactical line will b! ~ that we will find sbould nOI dissolve the Assembly bul cali Shri Dange not here in the opposition, but it into session to see whether he hu gal a on that side. Their taci kal line may majority and if he has no m .jority. tell tbe cbange I ike tbat. Governor and see whetber any otber majority As far as Ihe tactical line to be adopted will be there. by one party or many parties is concerned, I do not want to dircuss it here. As for dissolution, I shell refer to arti· c1es 163, 164. and 174. As per article 163, Another point he made was : these there shell be a Council of Ministers wilh people want ~ rule. We do not a Chief Minister ~ the head to aid and want. President's rule; we are against advise Ihe Governor in the exercise of his President's rule. The ~ is not functions. The duty of the Chief Minister whetber you want President's rule. We want is that of communicattng. He has to say free and fair elect ions Supposing for one what the Council of Ministers says; be has or two months President's rule is to be to advise the Governor as per the decisions there, we shall have to make that sacrifice of the Council of Ministers. Under article because the most important thing in a 167 (A) he has to communicate to the parliamentary democracy is free and fair Governor of the State all the decisions of elections, giving everybody who is entitled the Council of MlDisters rebtins to a:lmi. to vote a chance to vote. We must remove nistration or otoer thing.. It mu.t be tbe tbose wbo arc not entit led to VJte. As my decision of the Council of Ministers. The friend Mr. Krishnappa said tbere are many dissolution was not on the advice of tb. persons in t he list who are dead. Dead CounCil of Ministers b:cau.e 0 Koran, one persons come in tbe morning and vote; real of the Ministers openly made a stalement persons come in the evening. Tbere are such toe other day saying: 1 do not know any. allegations. I shall ~ this out from the tbing about it; 1 am unaware of it; I w•• list. Tbese are the experiences during the not asked. Two other Ministers also r;aid last there by-elections. We prefer the tbat they did nol know about it. So, it was President'. rule to Achutoa Menon's rule a decision taken by the Chief Minister him. because our experience was bad during tbo self. According to ar.icle 167 (B) the ChiC( last so many month.. In Achutha ~ Minister bas to advise tbe Governor on the rule perbaps len per;ons will be killed and decisions of tho Council of Mini lIers. But two battalions of eRP w,1I b. there; under the Council of Ministers were not consulted. tbe president's rule, instead of ten, fifteen W. do not know if tbe advice liven by tbe persons may be killed. tbe diffcrenc. i. oaly Chief Minister to tbe Govornor WAI some. j .. number. A. far as we arc concerned, thinl tbat was ~ Alone tn.. even If PIesident's rul. co;nos, tb' most Chief MInister bas no rilbt to d lIolve tbe important thiOl II that tbe elections mUl& Assembly. 283 No-Confidence JULY 29, 1970 MOllon 284

    [Shri A. K. Gopalan] the three by-elections in whicb tbe voters' list were defective, we said that as far as AccordinB to article 174, the Governor the eJection lists are concerned, there are shall summon the Assembly. According to anomalies and sometbing must be done the constitutional provisions, the Council about it. Tbat is why we asked the ~ of Ministers is responsible to the Election Commission to supply IlS a It is said tbat there is no Assembly especially Copy. in a coalition Bovernment where there are 60 many L parties; but where there are 50 many I bave no time, or else, I would give parties, he must consult them and thcn give details in thh respect. In the li,ts in Kerala, the advice to the Governor. After giving the in each district, something like J ,25,000 or advice also, tbere is no Assembly; ~ 1.26,000 names were removed, and some is the respoosibility when tbe Assembly is two lakhs Or three lakhs of names were Dot there? Tbe Council of Ministers is added. As far as Ih! 1967 elections were respoDsible to the Assembly, aDd wben you concerned, I have to tel\ you that there was dissolve the Assembly and then say you no complaint from any side; there was no remain there, tbat is something which is complaint from our side. There was no Dot oDly unconstitutional but also sbameful. complaint from their side either. The voters' I want to say, tberefore, tbat it is uncoDsti- list was there. After 1967, three elections tutioDal. were there and it was tben that we looked into the voters' lists and we told the Election T be secoDd point, as for as tbe electioD Commission, "Please see that some hing is wbicb has becn talked of is concerned, is done. This is our exp!rience as far a. the tbis. What is it that is said here? It is said three by-elections were concerned" We bv SO many Members tbat we want an enquired about the 722 names of voters and eiection in West Bengal and we do not want gave ous findings to the Eleclion Comm's- aD election in Kerla. Tbey minimise it that sion, saying that these are t he people who way. We say, wbether in West Bengal or had not been here for the Jast so maay yelfs, Kerla or Punjab or Manipur or any other The Election Commission, aflcr Ihat, .,nt place you must bave an election, and tbe me a Ieuer on the 241h July after 1 mot Ihe prer(quisite of an election is that it must be Election Commissioner there., All the politi- II free and fair election. For a free and fair ~ parlies were there. The m ljOrity parties olection, wbat are the tbings necessary'/ represen,cd in the Legislalive Assembly told Tbere must a proper vOlers' list. I Will sbow the Election Commission ,hat the elections it to you wbat has happened. 1 sbell ShOUld not be in September. So, ti was read a letter wrilten by me to the desire of the maj )CilY of the peop'e. tbe Election CommissiuD on 10 July. Thele But the Elecli,," Commission saij, "We WJnt had beeD references here to the elections: to have thr elections in September, because, Wbat did you do in tbe by-elections? This before September 21, if the A•• embly is not is tbe relevant letler of 10th July, when we convened, six months will elapse. So, we met and gave a memorandum to tbe Election must ~ that." I want to ask what tho Commission. Recenlly. tbree by-elections E cction Commission has got to do wit h were cODducted in Kerala-Kottarkara, Nilam- that. What is the dJty of the Election bur and Madayi. The list of voters in Commission? The duty of the Election Co- tbese tbree constituencies werc baving enor- mmission is to see that free aDd fair elections mous anomalies like tbe inclusion of illegiti- are conducted, There may be President's male voters and rejection of lelitimate rule; there may be some other thing. That names. In tbe Madayi constituency alone, is not the cotlcern of the Election Commi- tbere were more tban 4,01.0 deletions. la ssioner Majority of the parties. though tbe Madayi constituency, in the Madayi not a big majority. namely. Cong (0), Cong Panchayat alone, mOre than 700 bollUS voters (R) and all other parties .

    "Your letter daled July 23rd. rece- SHRI A. K GOPALAN : I do not know ived. Reporls received by you are what il the language. Nobody can read wbat lies. There are some constituencies it is. of .. h ich lists ba ve not yet been received. Uuimaginable errors in lists supplied show total unreliability. SHRI MANOHARAN (Madras Letter follows." North) : is It aenuine or bogus?

    This is a lelegram to the Eleclion Commi- ssioner. a copy of wh ich was sant to me. SHRI A. K GOPALAN : It Is a certi- Today morning a tei

    So, the Election Commission has aacced to a special revision of tbe electoral rolls. .. Kadecja is a voter. Her Cather'S Wben a revision is done, certainly the provi- name has also been liven in tho voters sions of the People Act and tbe rules made Ii.t. Do you know wbat it i. 7 tbereunder must be followed. Por revision, 'Pather,' ~8 No,Cl'"jidence JULY 29, 1910 Molion 288

    [Shri A. K. Gopalanl Aniyayi (which in Sanskrit means tbe Suppose she goes to vote and tbe officer follower) is also a voter. Aged 39 asks ber the name of her father If she says (",ho is his leader?) One cannot say "Usman", he will say "here it is recorded in which pages of the list these sort as 'falher', so you go away, you cannot of mistakes are there because many vote". pages of the list have no numbers."

    "Tbere are any number of such fUDny MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He should things in the voters list containing try to conclude. I, 369 Dames in the Balusscrry consti- tuency, ward No. 45. There is no SHRI P. RAMAMURTI (Madur.i): time to Ihink of rights and wrongs. Afler all, the House should know all the The "hole thing has to be wrilten facts when it is discus ·ing an issue. Sf mehow. Bring it out as quick as possible, tbat was the aim. See some of I he names in the list. Vasandhi. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am not Thiritha, Kenatti, Repper, Kerappan, trying to prevent him. But there is a time Chechikutti, Thanka, Yavoda, Mani- limIt. I am only drawing atlention to that. dhyam, Ratha, Panchayathutti, Cheyi. There are many such names." SI-IRI A. K GOPALAN: This is the voters' list. In the 1967 voters list lakhs and A II the Malayalees will understand that lekhs of voters were not included and what such names ale not there. If this list is were included were taken away. And what not corrected and suppose a voler goes to is the date f,,, the revision? The last the polling booth and says that his name date is 28th. So the time is over. Till today is Manikkam, they will say "no, your name there is no comp'ete voters' list Why was is Manidhyam, ~ it is written so the election announced so hurriedly without here." the voters' list. In there no press in Kerala? "Phisa is another name. It is sure Can you not print the voter's list? If that t hat he is not the leader of the insur- is not done, President's rule will come and gent Nagas because his father's name the present ministry tbat is there cgnnot be is put as Athruman. Phisa is supposed continued, The new alliance between the to be a 32 year old woman. Congress (0) and the Mini-Front-I am sorry, between the Coogress (R) aod tbe Do you know what is the age of a Mini Front-tbere cannot continue like voter! One year? There are also that. I can understand that. voters with, 4, 5, 6 and 7 years of age. An example, Merinnann3, male aged 7. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR (Peermade): "Appiri", yes he is a voter. He is 51 Congress (0) are you alliea. years old. Sthreedharan (not Sree- dharan), son of "Aani" is another SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: At least be voter, bas alreed tbat tbe Congress (R) are tbeir allies. 28 year old Hallah is suppnsed to be tbe son of Hassan Koya. There is On tbe first day tbe Governor did not according to this voters list eligibility dissolve the Assembly. What the Governor for voting for Naskayai, the daughter did was that he came here. bad a talk with Kakaya and the year old son 2i tbe Election Commissioner and met tbe Mohammed of Sui. Prime Minister. I reliably understand tbat the Governor told the Prime Minister that Souminikutty, a good name. Age 97. if this Government did not continue, tbere was no cbance of tbe new alliance comin. Kenatti is also a yoter. Hi. father is to power in Kerala afterwards, if President'. Mohammad, rule is imposed and election. are delayed, SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAK,4)

    The Governor weDt'there and the Malalayam The programme for the 1'C\'iew of tile ..,. Milflorama says-I have got it here-that toral rolls of Kerala alona with those ill Governor called the Cbief Minister and said, other States and Union territories was IAUed "Do not resign." Then, tbe announcement by the Election Commission on the 6th of tbe election is there. November, 1969. It provided for the ·pub!J. cation of the existing rolll as draft rolls So, one can understand that there is on the 15th November,I969. The period collusion. Though they will say that for lodling claims and objections was from Election Commission and everybody is inde· the 15tb November, 1969 to the lOth pendent, there is some conspiracy and November, 1969. Simultaneously, there collusion between the Election Commission, was a house-to-house verification or each the Kerala Government and tbe Central and every voter in the existinl rolls. Tho Government. It is a shame that in a claims and objections in respect of the draft country where, as the Prime Minister says, rolls were disposed of before tbe 31st there is the highest parliamentary democracy December. 1969. The electoral roils were the voters' list is not printed and the finally published on 15-1-70. The finally elections are held without printing the published electoral rolls are being queltionc4 voters' list with shabby writting and so by some hon. Members. The E1cdlQd many mistakes in (he voters' list. If the Commission has strictly folloWed the pro- elections are going to take place this way, visions of the Representation of :Peoples one cannot say what is the object behind it. Act, 1950, the Registration of Electoral Rolli That is wby we support tbe No-confidence Rules, 1960 and the directions and instruC- Motion, because it is a conspiracy and tions issued. After tbe publication or tilt this conspsracy has a political motive. electoral rolls for 1970 on 15-1-70, then: were three by-elections in Kerala as ref,mct to by my bon. friend Shri DilQce. No MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The Law objection was raised by Bny political pari,; Minister. in respect of the electoral rolIa In i-CspeCi of these three by-elections. SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA (Cuttack): On a point of order, Sir. Today's paper said that Shr; Gopalan was filling a writ in SHRI UMANATH: It is tb. three the Delhi High Court. Has he done that? hy.clections which have brought aut tftI If so, the matter is subjudice and he cannot entire tbing. take up tile matter here. SHRI K. HANUMANTUAIYA: No". SHRI UMANATH (Pudukkottai): the electoral rolls of these conltituencica arc Let him gather information and come here. being questioned. The objectiona to tbe electoral rolls have come only after tbo THE MINISTER OF LAW AND Legislative Assembly was dlllOlved and SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. HANU. fresh elections became nCCClS8ry to cOnsti- MANTHAIYA): Sir, I am intervening in tute a new Legislative Assembly. The the dcbate in order to clarify mal'ers from Election Commission bas now .,reed to tbe legal and constitutional point. carry out a special revisloo prior to tho ensuing General election.. It Is not tfiG I am am one with hon. friend, Shri intention of the Election Commission G0l181an, that elections must be frcc and to leave the mistakes that' have milt In fair. That is a common ground. That is tbe list. not common ground merely belMeD (Juvemment IIIId the party of Sbri Gopalan SURI A. K. OOPALAN: Wllhout tiM but I am certain tbat It is tbe pOint of view volen' list? of Mry party in tbis House. SURI K. HANUMANTHAIYA: Ac- I want to place tefore tbe House tbe cording to law, the final publication 01' lbe eveata tbat bave ~ in a sequcnce. electoral rolla II already tbe... It II _ a 291 No-Co1!/idence JULY 29, 1970 Motion 292

    [Shri Hanumanthaiya] So far as challenge making is concerned, revision that is taking place in the light of we are inferior to none. the complaints made. To say that there is no electoral roll at all is wholly incorrect. SHRI UMANA TH : If you accept the The Election Commission has now agreed challenge, you send somebody to Kerala to drry out a special revision prior to the immediately to see whether the list has been ensuing General Elections. It is a special supplied to them. revision undertaken to allay the suspicions raised by some of the political parties SHRI K. HANUMANTHAIY A: The in respect of the finally published electoral total increase in the electoral rolls of all rolls of 1970. the 133 constituencies in Keraia is 16 per cent more than that of electroal rolls of Some parties have complained that copies 1964. This increase works out to an annual of the electoral rolls have not been supplied rate of growth of about 2i per cent which to them. About 80 per cent of the different Is considered normal as was ar&ued by my parts of electoral rolls were supplied in the hon. friend of the D. M" K. party. So i. printed form to all political parties in Kerala the case with the electoral rolls in every 'by 20. 7. 70 and the remaining 20 per cent other State. is in cyclostyled. type written and manuscript form. The 20 per cent of tbe electoral rolls will also be made available to them in the Variations of this nature take place in printed form before the end of this month. the usual course. But in the case of Kerala Tbe printed and the manuscript copies were political controversies have highlighted delivered at the office of the CPt (M) at the problem as is seen now. So rar as the taluk level: They were clear and readable as Govcrnment of India is concerned, we are they Wcre"llie first copies which came out in no way responsible, nor are we parties of the press and the eyclostyle machine. to the controversics. The copy that is now produced before the 16 hrs. House might not be the copy supplied to the CPI (M). Even now,. the Election The Election Commi.sion is an inde- Commission is arrpnling to make copies pendent and impartial a uthority brought available. ioto existcnce under the Constitution. (/nlerrllplions) Art. 324 of the Constitution SHRI UMANA TH: This is the copy lays down that the superintendence, direc- supplied to the CPI (M). That is ~ tion and control of the preparation of the !be House. We have produced the copy electoral rolls ~ be vested in the Election which was supplied to the CPI (M). You Commission. The Chief Election Commis_ take it as a statement of fact that we are sioner has becn made under the same making. It is a certified copy supplied to article equal to a Judge of the Supreme our party. Court in order to guarantee his independencc and impartiality. Again, Art. 327 provides that subject to the provisions of the Cons- SHRI K. HANUMANTHAIYA: You titution, Parliament may from time to time also cannot go on saying that whetever the by law make provision with rest to all Election Commission does is false. malters relating to, or in connection, with elections to Parliament, and State Legis- SHRI UMANATH : Do you deny the lat urcs. The Representation of the Peoples statement that the copies of thc electoral Act, 1950 and 1951 were enacted by Parlia- rolls of all the constituencies have not been ment under this article. The Representation supplied even to the State? Are you in a of the People Act docs not contain any positiool10 'deny that? Do you take up provision empowering the Government to the challenge? fix the dates of an election or to interveue or interfere in the work of the Election SHRI K. HANUMANTHAIYA : 1 have Commission. Sec. IS of the R. P. Act, 1951 already "made the statement thaI the copies laya down that Ihe Govornor shall on luch have been supplied. I accept the challenge. date or dates as may be TCCOlIlIIICDdcd by 293 No-Co'fidence SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) MOlion the Election Commission call upon the met the Chief Election Commissioner on constituencies to elect members. It is, there- the 3rd July, 1970, he made a specific fore, clear that the Government of India complaint about the" omission from the' are in no way responsible for deletions and electoral roll of the name of Shri K. P. additions in the electoral rolls. It is now Subramania Menon. M.P. This complaint at best a bone of contention between .ome was inquired into by the Chief Election Co- political parties in Kerala State. Government mmissioner and it was found that not only cannot, in the very nature of things, issue Shri Menon's name had not been omitted any direction to the Election Commission but on the contrary his name is found as a ' whether it is in re'pect of the preparation voter in the electoral rolls of two consti- of the electoral rolls or the fixing of the tuencies, namely, Narakhal and Ernakulam. date of the election or the conductinll of elections. Government of India want to scrupulously avoid saying or doing anythinll SURI A. K. GOPALAN: That is why which may even be construed to affect the we say that there must be - a thoiOup impartiality or independencc of the Election revision. You do not ullderataDd tbat: Commission. SHRI K. HANUMANTHAIYA I No SHRI UMANATH: That you Ihould other lpaclfic case as dlstiDllUllhcd Crom have done before fixinl the date on the lIeDeral complaints of alleaed Irrelular inclualoD or deletion haa been brou,ht to 17th. the notice of the Election Commission. SHRI K. HANUMANTHAIYA : We have obtained information from the Election SHRI p. RAMAMURTI (Madurai) : Commission tbat a meeting of the repre- What about Mr. Imbichi Bava's name? sentatives of a\l the political parties in the State was held in Trivandrum on the 10th The spocial revision ordered in Kerala July, 1970. The meeting which was convened was a special concession. The partits were by the Chief Election Commi.,ioner was given time from 12th to 28th July to fila attended by 17 political parties. I under- their lists of objections, Even this period has stand that it was said at that meeting that now been extcnded by 2 days. This special electoral rolls this time are "far better" and "more perfect" than the electoral rolls concession has been accorded. 1 suppose to Kerala because Kerala is a special prob- in the State during the last 20 years. lem with special demands.

    SHRI UMANATH: Who said that? The holding of elections on a particular After the issuing of the electoral rolls we want to krow as to who said that. This date is solely within the discretion of the House wllnts to know wbo said that. Only Election Commission. The Government of India cannot direct the Election COmmr.. " the satellites of tbe Government millht have SiOD to change tbe dates once fixed. Tbe IBid that. discretion of the Election Commission baa to be independently and impartially exercised ' SHRI K. HANUMANTHAIYA: Shri in the mailer of fixing tbe dates. Tha A. K. Gopalan was present at the meeting. political parties however are free to make On the representation of his party, the representation to the Election Commission Chief Election Commilsion undertook to and in the final analysis they are hOund to inquire into and rectify any mistake which accept the decision of tbe Election Com- may be pointed out. This special revision mission. will be completed before the 10th AUllust, 1m, I.e" one week before the notification for the election is to be issued. t may in 1 may however observe that in ~ p .... this connection atate that wben Shri E. M, sent case under Art. 174 (I) of the COQ,ti. , S. Namboodiripad, General Secretary of tution tbe Election Commission baa a tile CommUDilt Party of Illdia (Marxilt), Collltitutional obJiption tQ oondqct. 1be ' No·Con/idence JULY 29. 1970 Motioll ~

    ~ P. Ramamurty] concerned. tbe statement I have made clearly sbows tbat they are anxious to ICDCralcloctlon in Kerala so as to see tbat correct every mistake bumanly possible. tho nowly constituted legislative assembly The proper course for all of us would be meets before tbe expiration of 6 montbs to see tbat tbe Election Commission is from it. lut Bitting. Tbe last sitting was given proper information and the rectifi. ttIod. on 25·3.70. The new Assembly bas cations made. Tbere is no use attacking to be lummoned for its first sitting not the Government of India on tbis issue. latar than tbe 24tb September 1970. There· fore the date fixed for tbe pool. tbe l7tb Septom\:ler 1970 is bona/ied. There can do DOt know what reason or thorefore be no question of any haste in logic prompted my bon. friend Sbri tbe bolding of general ele<:tion in Kerala. Madhu LimaYII to include this as one of tbe Irounda i.Q We \lo.confidence motiop. &Hal A. K. GOPALAN : Tbis Assem· I have explained tlle position. A lepl IIQa bly is diuQlved AllCmbly. Which Assem· constitutional expert 8i be is, because J:e bly i. to meet? He is only reading what moves many amenda:ents to the CoQltj. ~ gl't. Tb" ~ is ~ tution several times, be sbould bave known that tbe Government is not responsible ~~ K. HANUMANTHAIYA : The for this. In spite of tbat he takes this as ~~ of elections in Kerala on the first ground of no·confidence alainS! tbe grounc;! of rains is not tenable. Sir. this Government. ~ or fortunately. I have control DCither over tbe rains nor over the Election CommilSion. I can only say tbis. I read a long time ago an Essay by Goldsmith. There was a SHRI UMANATH : These factors about person who used to be present wherever rain and barvesting season are being taken there was a gathering for entertainment ~ oonsideration during several general or amusement. Here is my hon. friend ~ earlier. Sbri Madhu Limaye wbo wants to be present at every cotrovcrsy. in advance. SHR! K. HANUMANTHAIYA: Sir. Tbis attitudc of championing every issue t want to deal witb tbe argument advanced and every cause allains! tbe Government by my bOD. friend Dr. Ram Subhag Singb is not rational or Joaieal. I would appeal tbe bon. i..cader of the Opposition. He grew to bim to take up issues wbicb sbould really mailer and whicb really affcct tbe 10 indignant as to demand a Commission of inquiry. His indignation ~ overrun interests of the country. and I am sUre hi, Iliscrt::.tion and judgement. As an ex· Governmcnt would be equally t,llIder· C_\linllt tvlinistcr. witb long experience he standing enough to rectify mailers. Ihp.uld "live knowlI tbat there can be no (4lI1!1lilSion of Inquiry relating to matters fa!.liQg ~ tbe jurisdiction of the One or two Members including my boo. ~ Commission. Tbere bas nevcr fricnd Sbri Madbu Limaye took tho Ad· Iw.II ~ IUCI) Commission demanded or ministrative Reforms Commission and its al!PP.intec;\. ~ ~ ~ seem to be wiser report into consideration in this ~ tbfJ tbe Leader of tbe Opposition for Ho bas made tbe alJeptioll tl1at cpF. Prime IlIfIC'd of as king for tbe appointment of Minister bas taken adv&/ltllllP of onQ! those II Commission of Inquiry tbey intend recommendations which are coDveniOlll to galnB to a court 01 law as I learn frolll tbe her. Hut tbi, arlumCJ)t could be turned newspapers. apinst bim also. If be were lCIIlly ~8 cd in adminlalrativo ~ ~ ~ Sir. it is DOt my purpose to enter into ted. hi' ~ ~ ~ liP' tbo ~ controvcrsy with one party Or ~ other independently and Impf!TliallY 10 !II to on data matler. command thc attention ~ ~ of aU tbe panies iq this ~ Til JAjQ t.IUa ~ 80 Iar III die lOIectioll Commis.ion II ill a panu,n JIII8IICf ~ Ii ~~ N""conjidence • SRA 'v ANA " 1892 (SAKA) Motion motion is not a service which he is doiog reduced. she S!ill continues as a minority either to the commission or to the cause of Government and carries on the parliamentary administrative reforms. functioning in tbis House. I think there is some lacuna in our Constitution wbich So far as the reforms are concerned, the gives her this opportunity, She is not voted reports of the Administrative Reforms out. bUl friends who have brought forward Commission are there. I do not say that this sort of motion are giving her opporluni- they arc the wisest things that cao be said ties 10 tom-10m before the world and \0 on the subject. But they will provide a show to the country and to Ihe world OUI- basis for all the Members to tbink so tbat side that althougb she is in a minority. tbey could improve and accept wbatever every motion of no-confidencc in the House improvements are necessary. The is being defeated. Prime Minister herself had made a broad- cast specch as soon as she accepted the office of the Prime Minister that she wanted What have my hon. friends done af_ revolutionary change, and tbat sbe tbe experience of so many montbs whlll wanted the administration to be tuned to Ihere: was some attempt at OPPOlition co.- the needs and requirements of the time. solidati"n and ao attempt to .eo wbotbR Out of the 20 report. tbat we have given, tbere were common factors on whigh tile Government have already processed about Opposition could unite in order to lIiYO a seven or eight. A statement has been made real confrontation to Goyernment? Now, hy the concerned Minister that 87 per cent not only the grand alliance but. ~ tllia of the recommendations have been accepted. motion is going to prove, even tbe grandor Some more reports have still to be accepted. alliancc has floundered because it does DOL Insteud of their taking advantage of the command the majority in the House. That occasion in a partisan manner-this is a non- is what is going to happen. It is not oQiy contra"e"ial subject-I would appeal to all the grand alliance, but Shri Madbu Limllf'c the parlies and to the leaders of all the has fallen a prey to this game. The CPJ(M) parties to take up the issue of administra· has also joined in because 'If the Kerala tive reforms and the reports of the Administ- elections, forgelling their own formulations, rative Reforms Commission independently and impartially on tbeir own merits and see It was never my case. and it is not my thilt we get a better admioistration than the case even today, that I will never VOle on oDe we have, a no-confidence motion aaainit this Govern- ment. But I do not see any better alterna- SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: live in this House. I do not want ~ a (Kendrapara): It is not that I am not in minority Bovernment should continue (or favour of a nOoCOnfidence motion. It is not long. It is not healthy for the country. it tbat if a motion is moved for confidem;e, I is not healtby for democracy, When J shall vote in favour of it; I shall never vote make this statement, I am not going to in favour of a confidence motion for tbis support motions on flimsy arounds Goveroment. Bus this motion th.. t we arc on flimsy reasons. I would have coosidering here, accordina to me is ill-limed gone all out to support a motion and misconceived. My ffiends here in which stated substantial arounds. But the their anxiety and in their personal obsession Broundl slated' ben: are not fit tor tbe admis- Wilh tbe Prime Minister have chosen a sion of even an adjournment motion, Wbon wroDi lime for this motion. You know they tried to brina forward an adjolllll- and the country knows for a fact that a ment motion on tbis issue. the Speaker tIId minority loveroment is ~ in this not think it fit to aive consent to It_ Yet counul'. roo GoverornCDt ~ ~ that has been given al a ground for a n:l- IDllira Gandhi is now beidiDi Is II confidence motion, miDority 1J0verllIllCDt. Wbeal ~ wga c:alIed upon 10 form &he ~ ~ shl! ..., rcaJIy comllJllll4ina a QlIIjority in .Ihll ~ T he" in ~~ an"i.ety, ~ arc really, But even Ibouah her ~ ... ~ bf ~~~ ~ wbigb gut 299 No-Confidence WLY 29, 1970 Motion

    [Sbri Surendranalh Dwivcdy] tbe ground tbat in spite of its so-called 10- at the very root of democratic functioning point programme, it bas not been able to in tbis country. What is the meaning or implement even one? purpose of saying here that a minority government is imposed in Kerala? Does AN HON. MEMBER Let bim bring tbe Mover suggest that the Central Govern- it. ment should have intervened and dismissed tbat Government? That Government did coajoy the confidence of that House till tbe SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: last day, 22 March. On tbe 25th Marcb, Yes, but will tbey Support it. Let tbo they resigned. The last motion of tbe Swatantra Party say yes, let the Jana Kerala Assembly had given a vote of confi- Sangb agree. Are tbey prepared to support it? dence to tbat Government.

    Then wbat does be suggest? Does he SHRIMATI TARKESHWARI SINHA sUIIOlt tbat the Central Government should (Barb): We will support it. bave intervened? Is it Sbri Limaye's case that wbere tbe Constitution alves tbe riaht, SHRI PILOO MODY: Let tbe PSP say an autonomous rilht, wbich riabt we want 'yes' firat. to increase, to tbe Election Commission- we want that it should be on par with the Supreme Court-we sbould now say that SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY : tbe Central Government should intervene We want that this sovereign, supreme body, and ask tbe Election Commission 'Do not should bave more rigbts; we want tbat bold elections; hold them only when it its rights sbould not be curbed. But suits us'? That means giving more power by a judllement of the Supreme Court to Sbrimati Indira Gandhi's Goveroment Parliament's rigbt is being encroacbed about whose present powers you are already upon. Tbe Supreme Court says tbat Parila- complaining, ment bas no rigbt to amend tbe fundamental rights in the Constitution. Nath Pai's Tbere is no substance in this motion at Bill is tbere. Tbere is the unanimous recom- all. That is why I am worried. In their mendation of tbe Select Committee. This anxiety, wbat are the Mover and his sup- Government, because it is not sure of tha poners doing? They see seeds of dictator- support of some of its own followers, bas ship because of the Cabinet reshuffle. But not yet declared wbetber it is in suppon of wbat are tbey aiming at? In their anxiety it. It bas been said that the Speaker and to do sometbing, they arc making a mockery tbe Leader of tbe House would fix a date of t be last, extreme parliamentary weapon for its discussion. Two years have passed. we bave before ~ motion of no-confi- Tbe Leader of tbe Congress Party is not dence. We bave many other weapons in our bold enough, bas not the couraae, even to bands. We can use tbem. We have been using got tbe Bill passed in tbis House. You tbem and we will continue to use tbem. But bring sucb measures and see tbe result, be- this is not tbe way to go about it. They are cause that will be the real tOlt for this confusing tbe country; they arc going to mis- Government. direct tbe mind of tbe people and tbey are really giving a fresb lease of life to sucb a Government whicb sbould not bave existed A Government wbich claims to be 80 lona. socialist, whicb professes socialism, must have an alternative socialist programme I would make a sUlleation. If tbey are here. (lntflrrupttons) These thingl are not all serious about it, if they are serious palatable to you. You are in a st.raqe in wbat tbey bave said tbat tbis Government combinatloD, but people can _ tbrouab this is not capable of delivering tbe goods, I lIIIIIIe. It will not pay, it bas not paid in say 'yes'. Then wby not bring a motion any country, and it is not lIOinl to pay in of ~ apioat thll Govcmmmt on thill countfl/ aiIo, 301 N"..Con/itknclJ SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKA) Motion 302

    If they are really wedded to socialism, bUled and the Prime Minister should bft after tbey became a minority Government, tbe co-ordinating autbority. She sbould they sbould bave come forward in tbis have the least number of porlfolios with House witb their own prOlramme for tbe her. Otherwise, sbe cannot do justice. rest of the two years, saying that tbis is the She bas the supreme power to socialist programme that they want to carry intervene in any of the Ministries. What out and taken tbe mandate of the House. was tbe need tben to take a II these powers, I would bave supported tbem even as a for whicb probably she bas neither the minority Government for the rest of the time nor the real energy? I do not say period, but nothing of the sort has been whetber anyone of us bas more capacity done. than ber.

    If you had taken up one by one tbe fail· Any way, this is tbe situation. There. ings of this Government, I would have fore, the qOlestion before us is not dictator. supported the motion. I am in some agree- ship. If we see dictatorsbip In matters like men t when they refer to general bureaucra- this. I do not know, wben real dictator_ ~ but that is nothing new. sbip. emerges, wbat these people will aay. Tbey are exhausting all their words. Words You have criticised the Cabinet reshuf- bave lost all meaning. To bring in the fle. I agree. Too much power has been question of dictatorship when we arc yet taken by Prime Minister. but is it anybody's democrati- cally functioning is really not in contention that in a democratic majority ture witb tbe situation that we want. party Government the leader of the party which is called upon to form the Govern· I am surprised to see that in this couutry ment has no right to chose his own compa- when such a Government is functioning. nions and no right even to distribute the my friends in tbe Opposition arc playing a portfolios as he likes? What is the point game in whicb they are making it impossible in it? I could have understood if a criti- for tbis country to make politics policy cism was made. a valid criticism. that this oriented because of personal bitterness and reshuffle was not made for the good of the animosity. If that is the guiding factor country, for the efficient funolioning of the for political decisions by political parties, Government, there was no rationale behind I think it is tbe end of democracy. Tbat it. This reshuffle was made because Indira kind of politics sbould go. I want polarisa. Gandhi wanted to prove, and she proved, to tion in political life, as Dange pointed out. the old bosses that they are no match to I know the land reforms. The ten point her; according to their own language, like programme contained land reforms. Where clerks she can dismiss them. She also are tbe land reforms? What is tbe Fourth proved, to these men of clay that she can Plan? Is tbere mention of land reforms reshuffle them like a pack of cards, not tbere ? Notbing. They say it is for the only as ordinary cards but in any way she State Governments. Leave alone the State likes. She is the supreme master of this Government wbich according to you are show of tbe party. That is what she has reactionaries Wbat about your own State sbown. It is not concentration of power. Governments ? In Andhra the Chief Minister opposes aaricultural wealtb tn. We do not have a unitary form of What is tbe ceilin. tbere ? Government. She is not the Presideat. She is, after all, the Prime Minister, The Cabinet has jOint responsibility. Therefore SHRI RANGA (Srikakulam) l R1abtly. it i. not tbat tbe Prime Mini.ter, accordinl It should never have been imposed. to her sweet will, can do anytbing Ibe likes. Only in a presidential form of government SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY I it is possible. In America, no Secretary He is your man; be agree. witb you there. of State is elected, be is nominated by the He ia not a socialist Chief Minister; tbat i. President. But here our Ministers are what I say. In Punjab you are now choos- elected penon.. The portfolios are diltrl- illl AkaUa u your allies; they have over. No-Crln/idence JULY 29,1970 MMItHI

    [Shri Surendranath Dwlvedy] There \IYIS a suglestiob I16metlnie back tbat nillht become socialists. They not only this Government was going to tile pOlis. opposed but they made It clear that so 101\11: Now that the Prime Minister bas con- aa the Akati Government was there, they centrated all these powers with ber, pr0- would see to it that no agricultural wealth bably she is thinking of the next elections. tax was collected. They have become your I think instead of continuing with tbls companions. What should be the 10giclI unhealthy government, if they go to the conclusion? In Maharashtra, the edifice of polls there should be no objection to It. Chavan will fall to pieces if actually land Let them 110 to the polls. We reforms are undertaken, These are your may not come; one of us may partners, the parties dominated by the Be not be returned, but I am sure that if tbe persons. However much you may shout Government, the Congress party, in its tbat you want socialism and social reforms present position, with its present strength and transformation of rural society, you and its present colour, goes to the people, have not got the guts; the party has not it will still further be reduced to not more lOt tire IUts. The party passes 80 many than ISO; let alone a majority in the House. resolutions on communalism and this and When that is the position it is not really a tbat. It is only to divert the attention of test. We would go to the polls now or the pecple from the real failure of the later. It is not really the test. What we party, failure of this Government. I could should do ? The test is, it is parliamentary understand that the Prime Minister did government now. It is not a party govern- not take the vote on the basis of the prog- ment. The Government mllst respond to ramme. But I could not understand if the the desires and aspirations of Parliament, Prime Minister i. not able to implement the and Parliament should decide what is good programmes of her own party. What for the country. What is the party form about the Privy Purses? Is that Bill going of government? That era has almost ended, to be passed in this session or not? An Therefore, my proposal is. let friends decide, Hon. Membtr : They are having meaningful friends from all sides, who are real, genuine dialolUe) Yes, they are having secret, socialists, democrats. II they really want meaningful dialogue and they are assessing to believe, if they really believe, if they -what? I was told by the Chairman of my have a firm faith that a real transformation party. when the consultative committee on in this country is necessary in a lIemocratic Bengal met here. when the question of manner to change the entire society, let taking action against Naxalite violence was them come forward and join hands and let talked about-it is good that Mr. Chavan us see if any Government which lIouts them has been changed from the Home Ministry- can exist even for a moment in this country. what was the reply of Mr. Chavan? Even Therefore ••.. · the Preventive Detention Act was not AN HON. MEMBER: Dissolve all the considered or included in that agenda; it was parties. considered in the last meeting; it was never considered then Why? Mr. Chavan gave SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY ; the facile explanation : political arithmetic Yes; after all, the way parties arc formed has alSO to be taken into Consideration. or decided, ultimately everyone will be The Government in function in I on the eliminated. As I see the process, the way basis of political arithmetic ... (All. HOII, it is going, there is no polarization. Some Member: You are party to Ihal.) What attempts have been made. I would have you say is non-sense. So" political arithmetic prevented this Government from taking welcomed it- any forwacd action for which it stood. Yet SHRI I they say: we divided the party, have we (Balrampur) : You decry them. removed them we have now come into our ·own; VIII shall now go forward witb SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: socialist proarammes. There II no good l18yiDtl that they an: 1'beRfore, wbat I auucst Is: let 1111 strange be rei lows. I haft said .ownl cOII.ider tllis matter mort! dispaaalllDllt"" tlme8. To Morarji, wilen he talked to .. No-(;{",/idence Motion

    I said, "00 ahead. I want at least tbe dacolties are takinl place, The iIolice are consolidation and Ihat will polarize politics. in collaboralion witb tbe dacoits. Hundred, But do not drag me there. I have no place of cows are being taken away and robberies there I cannol . e pan of it" Therefore, are laking place. But DO bOlder police there is no queulon Ihat I diJ not welcome gives protec "'n. My colleague, Mr. it. I had welcomed the rigbtist consolida- Lakbanlal Ka pu r "ho comes from that area, tion. If you have had done Ihat, you has been raising this questioo asain aDd would have put Indira Gandhi in a tight again. He bas written 10 the Home corner. a tight corner in this sensc that if Minister also. BSF is available for everr rcally the SSP. Ihe CPM and all thoac parties other place, but not there. That i. tile wbich are supporting Ihis mol ion are combi- _knees of this Government. They think ned and become onc grand alliance, and if that tbe commuDist party II there and they lbe PSP does not extend its support to the will be offended. So far as Nax'alite Oovemmeut, wbat bappens 7 It will be for menaco is concerned, I had been to lbat area the DMK to decide whetber to sido the wben tbe UP Oovernmeot was there, EYed OovernmeDt aIoal, Mr, Ajoy Mulrerjec cautioned me anil lI.ii "DoD't go there. From Ihe Jute field; ACcuUlionl have ~ levelled agalolt they will throw arrow. aimed al you." BII! tbe Prime MinHer, She hiS refulCd to I wen* tbera aDd law It, 1 aald Whatttet Iccept Ibat Ibe bl, beeo 'Iulded or lupport. had been .ald 10 this House. But' IIley41d (:d by the cornrnllnlstl. If you have formed aot take aay action. Even n'ow they' ".110.:1 tbat Iraod allianco, really, you wi,l come to to take action and Itl wle,sneu line! dis01e!e, Ibe posilion where only wilh the suppnrt of are CQntinlllDI iD Wesl I1enS'1. it II' 'lID! the communhh the Government would jOlt one incident. "is no U'C accl.)llng'lh,. .xist. But y"u had nol Ihe c0urage, you or that p.".on. A statement was m .de here, had nOl the determination: you had n.,1 I he s"yiog that there are some "fIl:iats who'M,a faith; if you had the faith, you ,,'ould bave some c.)mmilmenl wi,h some parties ane! wa gone ahead wilh the grand alliaDce Be- waat to rcmov. them from 'he Government cause you have 00 faith, )'OU are concent,at- machioery. BUI Oldy J 'I k, bow mao)l of ing on flimsy ground, flimsy material. whicb them have been remove.! afler the imJlOlilioa bavo no relevanco to tbe motion. 01 President's rule? S"'. the ~ lies I here. I do not say you ~ beeom. 8 Sir, I bave baen voting in this House. communist or thai you subscribe to their Nobody ean say and point a finger at me tbe'ry. The weakn... lies I here , be- tbat al any time in this House. cause alt of us are after P0wcr. Whatever bappeDs 10 the couoUy. we w.ntlO mBnDellve to coDtinue In p.,wcr: 'et il be 00 print;iplot I and my party, have not voted with the or no priDciple •. Opposition so for. If it i. of ,ueh a nature, where we have 10 complomise on the fundamental and b3

    [ Mr. Speaker ] .to vote for the no confidence motion is that plul time for certain parties still pending. I am one of thosc who believe that demo- ff· _do not ta\ceup the half-hout dis· cratic nationalist forces in this country should .unite jf we want to savc tbis country from ~ we call accommodate them- Dr. Karni Sill8b. commuuism and the fear of totalitarianism. Now this challeoae bas been made by the Brand alliance, I would like to see .its scope DR. KARNI SINGH (Bikaner). Sir, the widencd by tbe inclusion of tbe SSP aud ylews 1 express . today are my oWn. In and ·the PSP. It is up to those Breat leaders ,'" QODltllution of IIrpup .tbat I represont, _to ,.answcr tbe call of tbe nation and to In hay., a clause that whcn important brina about a minimum proaramme but, for JDattors arc at stake, ,we have the liberty to God's sako read the writing on tho waU. cMrdsc our discretion. I am also one of Nehru an4 Gandhiji aave us our freedom; $010 who feel that this no confidence motion we are not loing to give up this freedom .,.. not psyl,:boloaically well·tormcd. Jt is to a DCW type (If slayery .tbat the Communist ~ of thi, tbat wo. did not 5Upport Party miabt brina into our ooUDtry. It YCSICr,daV, but some of.u, shall certlliDly vote alolll witb. it.. The ,rUlOD _ itiiu man)' of UI fclt that .. a relult pf. the Wben I talk or the CommuniMs·1 woUld Ira04 ~ and. tbe Ireat aspiratlonl that 'likc to' make one tiling absolutel, clear. I were creatcd in tbe minds of the peoplc who 'bave always ·been brat'lded as a pro·Gomto. 'believe in democracy, WOo ",bould, hil.bar.d 'unist mysclf. Yes. that is true. Shri Hiren witb all tbe forco at our command; and if Mukerjee, Shri Dange, Shri Ramamurti, wc brina about a no confidence motion that many of these great leaders I have beld in fizzles out then, in a round about way, it great respect and I know iu my own mind exprnses confidence in the government. that they are all great nationalists and many of tbcm have fougbt in tbe Indian freedom 1 would likc to say this much, that strugglc. But I do feel that wbcn Com- doDot believe iD 'character assassination; munists, God forbid, come to powcr in tbe am do I belive in hillinl below the belt. Centre, people like Shri Ramamurti, Sbri But I do feel that one of the reasons wby Hiren Mukcrjee, Shri Dange and Shr! I dJould support t he no-confidence motion Nambiar, our friends in the CPI and CPM II· tbat in the last few months and will be obliterated and a new type of Icadcr· years tbat I have had occasion to watch tbe ship will come, the Chincse type. Tbat Indicate in power I found that the govern· is what one has to be afraid of· I am not medt W81 becoming more and more a chairo- afraid of the Communist Party in the cratic IIOverDment, a government wbicb is Cenlre when it is led by people of this type. wedded to the chair. a government wbere Now that men like Shri Morarji Desai, chair was the god and India took the second Acharya Ranga, Sbri Rajaji and Shri place. Secondly, many of us who arc wedded Vajpayee have given tbe clarion call for to denlOcracy and a free way of life have felt unification of the opposition forces in the ihat ibe Prime Minister's relianoc On the country. I think it has givcn the country an Communist Party to stay in power was not cnlirely new direction; there is no doubt abou correct. If l'le believed in CommuDism it it. I do not sa>' that we sbould quibble about Would bave been perfectly all rigbt, but I am whether wC are socialists, right or left, pink convjpccd that sbc docI not believe ill or blue, wbatever tbc colours be. The thin. Communism. In this CalC it is wrong of her is to keep India a free country and if wc 10 rely on Communist ·,uppart to stay In have achieved tbat we have achieved power. The Prime Minister, in II)Y opinion everytbilll.and we havc lived up to tile baa mccldled in State politics. Sbe baa, iD spirit of Gandhi, Nehru, Lal Babadur my opinion, crealcd corrupti:>n in State and all the areat masters wbo strove to keep ""oUtia, aod tbis is sometbing tbat sbould not India a democratic and free country. If the ~ prescnt Icallcrship were to quibble and quarrel amona tbemselves, I think the lut,. Ioobove all, I feel that onc of ~ pcople in future) ears. and historians will sit 'mott Important rea&OnB wby I would likc in judamcnt and they will blame the pl'llOllt 309 SRAVANA'I, 1892 (SAKA) 310

    leadersbip for wblt took place. And let me tbat this Ministry should be ousted, tbey say tbis mucb that if we go tbe Cbinese still have a few hours on their lIandl to see way, God forbid, tbat would be the end and that we aClUalJy accomplish il. I can ~ even people like Shri Hiren Mukerjee, Sbri you of my vote for whatever it Is worth. Daoge and all of our friends in tbe But I would like to .ay that in the process CPI and CPM will not be ab'e do one of developing our' democratic princ:lples; iota of 1I00d because they will be finished, an Opposition Government must always purged, and perbaps shot. be prepared to take over, i am sure that Shrimati Qandhi alw, if she is diSlodged, wlil take it in the same spirit. . SHRI NAMBIAR: Wbat for? What -.is out crime? Something was said tbis morning about Members of Parliament being puppets of DR. KARNI SINGH: Your crime is differenl ~ I would like to tar tbat you try to be democratic. Commnnism that ~ a Member of Parliament who bjls has no place for democracy. sat in Ihis lIou.c for 18 years I ftel hillhty humiliated even to think thai we can l'C I do not feel that Hon. Prime Minister, considered as puppets of foreign powers. in my honest opinion, is not a Communist If we are, we are traitors; we are unfit but she is being trapped by the Commu- to be M"mber of Parliament of this great· nists. sovereign legi-lature.

    SHRI PILOO MODY: Cinderella! I wou'd, as an independent, make ti request to all my brothers here, please' DR. KARNI SINGH: I do not know for God·s sake think of what the rest of· how we can rescue her from that silualion. I the world thiok of us. If .. e are to be cenainly do feel tbat in the interests of treated as puppets of foreign ~ we our country and democracy, the hon. Prime are not fir to be called ~ I wOllid ceqll- Minister wili try to extricate herself from esl you I hal ""xl ~ may call anybody tbese dangerous forces, collect tbe democrafc wha.cver you ~ but not puppets or'sii)· forces, around her and give the country an other country ; if we do, we are ~ entirely new meaning. beller Ihan spies. If we nrc DOlhinll beller than spics, we are just traitors and On tbe otber side, will be tbe grand al- if we are traitors, we are unOt to be" liance, or whatever name you wish to call here. it. We bave to establisb a two-party sys- tem in a democracy. While concludinll, because I know another Member from my IIrnup wants h> SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Topless speak, I would like to Bay lhat politics one' in our (vunlry is mo.ina. towards corruption. It is a malter of great sbame. DR. KARNI SINGH: Yes, if you The other day some body told me-In like, the topless one; go abead. In Bombay--I do not believe it but it is true, 't tbe Communist raj we will bave bOllomless is a hOlrible Ihing--that Mcm.ber of also. Parliament are prepared to ask· or put . questions if they were paid belwccn Rs- 5,000 and Rs 10,000. I had shock. The country is facing the partinll of the ways, We are now at avery, vcry seriou. tum in tbe bistory of our country. When- SHRI S.M. BANERJEE: This ahould over we movo a No·confldance Motion or be ell:punaed. wbatoYor it is, DO lonacr wbat it was for Jaa, IS Of 18 ycars ; it mcaos a great deal PR. KARNI SINGH: By all ~ more. I would request ~ kaders tbat I am prepared ir it i. 811alnlt the rules_ If tho,)' are boneatly .aod aeouiaely eerioUi BDt if tbi. were true, It rcfIeota advenely 311 I No-Cpn/idence Molio" 312

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    ..n l[To ;no f(fim.i ~ ltif ~ It is imporlant tn find out bow tbis eminence has been achieved ar d what its ~~~~ 'iF'!" 'fi1:.i;y ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ of denigraling respeclcd leaders of the counlry, the consequences of "hich arc ~~~~~ ~~~ known to us all. But what is really regre- ~ I ~ ~ ~ fil;1fT ~ ~ tlab'e, and what is really disturbing, is tbat that process is ~ The process of ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~ building herself up by stunting, humilialing 'Il:IT I ffi ~ ~~ iflv:r ~ ~ 'fit and deni.rating others continues, Mahatama Gandbi built up :1 tremendous position nOI ~ • m ~ ifty ~~ t fit; ~ ~ only for himself bul for the counlry b, q IIiT ~ ~ "'1Ii(fT t I build in. up a wbole IrouP of people round about him. The Prime Minister. on tbe otber hand, believes that ber positIon .roWi ~ if ~~ ..,"t ~ ~ if ~ to the extent tbat other. arc dCltroyod fllfim ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ JI1l!A ..". Ifi'tt around ber. ;;r'\Ro I!{T ~ ~ .rn ~ H f\n!it ~ One can h,vc no obj, ".ion 10 ~ re hu- mIDi her miniotcli.tl pack and handing OUI ,.;r ~ ~ ~ 'fTfl[l!; I a new d_,,' whenever she likes. But it becomes objectionahle, somethmg aboul SHRI ASOKA t-IEHTA ~ which one ~ to be dcrp:y concaned, Some friends he'e have deplored the rrac- when behind it Ihere is a grand ~ When tice of bring,ng forward no· confidence thcre is a set purpose which can he of a motions which ~ 10 have developed dcstructive character. Ministry afler Ministry into a routine in the House. 1 would like is being stripped of its vi,al pans and the to assure them tbat Ihis particular motion balance that needs to be maintained wbit- is not of a routine. charaet".r hut i. of a hin the administration is being ddiberately climacteric or crilical nature. Under Ihe dist ured and destroyed. Rules of Procedure, the motion has to be one of no-confidence in the Government ali I believe that in the Home Ministry 40 a whole. But a. far as I can understand sect ions have been taken OUL She hal the mood of the Hou,e. the mot;on really herself taken over the Home Ministry_ i. against the head of the Govelnment, Forty sections have been t"nsferred else- because she has reduced Ih" Government where so Ihat in future OUt of the 100 to the posilion of an one-pnlc lent. There sections that the Ministry controlled, it will is only a single pole left in Ihe tent. have so many less and the Ministry will always remain truncated. Tbere is nothiDg personal as far as the Leader of the !louse is concerned. Tbe Tbere has been integration of all intelli- particular motion bas to be brougbt forward lance. All intelligence services in because of I be polit;cal style tbat she has in administration that were in various developed, of Ihe stance of administration Ministries have been broullbt tOlether. . tbat is beinll adop!ed. The new style. the When these intcllillencc services were distri- objectionable stance, causes concern, and it buted in various departments, there was a is nC'C5Sary, and it bas become imperative. cerlain amount of (fOSS cecck and counler tbat we sbould sound tbe tocsin of alarm. check. Today all the intelligence agencies Indian and foreign observen have been have been brought 10llether under one commentinll upon the lonely eminence and single control. Under eacb intellillcnce the solitary arandcur that the Prime Minis- service, there are .;ertain secret funds, ter hal tcbievcd, wbich are not accOUDted for, wbicb 329 SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAKA) Motloll 330

    You can 10 on bandyinl with words ; you I think it must go to Ibe eternal shame of can even condemn and kill human bcinp this Government. but you cannot bury ideas. If socialist's in Germany and Italy can join hands with Take the manner in which tbe Prime Christian Democrats and Free Democrats, Minister has reshuffled her colleagues. Every I do not know why in lodia the socialists plum has been laken from every Millistry. believe in this rigid caste system of Sbe has become the chief of the lestapo, out m.)ded generations. Today liberals CIA and KGB all rolled into one. She has like in our party are willing to robbed the Finance Minister, because she ~ our differences and come has no trust in Shri Cbavan, of revenue tOlether with otber democratic an J so:ialist intelligence and the Minister of External forces. because we see that there is an Affairs of Foreign intelligence. But I do not extreme danger facing this country. Our blame her for that. I do not think that Shri democratic way of life is evaporating and Swaran Sinlh should be, after this morning's national security is being jelpard;sd. The performance, allowed to deal with intelli,ence danger is that this Government has joined at all. She has taken over border security hands and colluded with communist<. mort- and central Industrial Security. She has laged our future 10 the S<>viet Union. taken over the Central Reserve P.·lice. Civil crippled the economy and ruined our repu- Defence and CentrJ.1 Sec.-otaiat Security tation abroad. Edmund Burke said. "When because she want to know who i. vi.iting bad men conspire. g.)od m'n mUit unile". her cDlleaguos. She has taken over public Bad men have been conspiring and there- order. She has become chief of planning fore we have been ~ to unite. This is so that she alone decIdes how ~ crOres precisely the sch,me of the grand alliance. should be spent, who should be favoured (lliterruptions). While differences betw

    [Shri Piloo Mocly] ~~~~~~~ ~~ Shri Sondhi. The re-organisation of States ~~ ~ ~ ~ l'ff, ~ ~ ~ tT6- Bnd Centre-State relations are in her hBnds. Now she is planning a coup de grace. She ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I ~~ ~ it is 10inll to become the chief of her pari y ~ ~ ~ 'fiT ~ czrn: ~ I m:r and the lOuper womln of 1970. iffGl\T 'fiT ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ But two thing. are confusing me. She ~~ ~~~~~ has taken over lotteries. I do not under- ~ ~ ~ ~ 1 .tand why unless she wants to meddle with ;r't+rru cMfGifi numbers, in which case I do hope that she ifn:rru 'fiT ~~ ~ m $ ifiIt 'fiT ~ fiddles one in my fav0ur. ~ m<: ~ ;;IT 1 ~ ~~~~ : ~ QlI';;[ $ ~ if ifiQf ~ ~ I ~~ ""\i:T qlfT ~ fifi $'l:"'I' if ~~ ~ ~~ ;i;m Wift;r ~ t fifi ;;r;r (fifi ~ Ir.fT If'fi ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ cr;r CflIi m ~ ) ~ ( :;ffir tTifi ;;rf -q I irt '1T'lilfl 'Ii't '«IT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~~ 'a &:c \;T ~ fifi m:ifiH 'fiT m ~ ~ ~ \iffi'IT ~ m ~ :;ffir if ~ l!ro;ft {t ~ I ~ 'I;I'[q; ~ l!;ifC

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    are not audited, which are not brought Minister and the Home Minisler are both before Shri Vajpayee's Committee. What one, you can very well understand who happens to all these funds which run into makes the appointments. So even functio- crores? What happens to the tremendous nal appointments are bein. made by the power through intelligence that one is able Prime Minister herself. to wield? If there is a check and balance inside the Government, if there is a check As to what is happeniD, to Iicensin. - and balance between different Minisfries and all thll, my hon friend, Shri Madhu and different departments and the Prime Limaye. has lold you; I have DO desire to Minister is merely a co-ordinating authoritv, go inlo it once morc. a certain amount of democratic balance i, maintained. But so far as secret funds, TI1cre h:" h"en denigration of the Minis- secret knowledge and secret information are ters. As again,t " cClliec!ive team. they are concerned, when all these are braught and being reduced to the position of adviseR • ~ together in one single slrnnd, in one Who can be bired and fired at ber will • single hand, and that also the hand of the Prime Minister, where there is no question This is a complete transformation, a, of anyone supervising it, anyone question;ng subtle insidious transformation of parlia men- • it or challenging it, where no one even any- tary democracy into a ~ system. If one in this ~ or in the Government the COuDtry wcre to adopt the Presidential knows what is happening, what can be the system knowingly, in a Rtraillhtforward consequences? manner, there would ensure that tbo nCCCli- sary cbecks and balances ellist, sucb for instance as eJlist in the USA. But where Tben, I believe, in the Ministries them- a parliamentary democracy is subverted into selves junior Ministers are being planted a presidential system, tbe consequences to function as watchdogs on senior are that it becomes, or threatens to be, Ministers. a half-way house to somo kind of an autbo- ritarian rule. There ~ today, for the first time, a huge Secreiariat of the Prime Minister. It has Atready to day one sees tho emarlins Irown and grown There are today 9 top profile of this kind of authOritarian rule, officials in that Secretariat. Ministers have and that is the reason why it becomes to go and pay court to these privileged necessary for u, to be deeply concerned not officials in the sanctum ,-unclo,um. the ordinary type of concentratioh of powe Till recently the negotiations with the Princes about Ihe concentration of power. This is Dol ~ beinll carried on by Shri Y. B. lhe ordinary type of concentration of power Chavan ; now these are to be carried on 1 here is behind it a will, a desilln, a pur- by one of tbe officers in the Prime Ministcr. pose. There il behind it a stratellY, a ItralCllY Secretariat. 1 bope thc Princes mu.t be to see that tbe key tbreads of authority are feelinll very bappy that thcy have been 50 all gathered tOlether in her hands, and 81 uplifted. a:;ainst a parliamentary system of democrlCY where there is collective responsibility, tbe whole thing is reduced to a lituation where Not only political patronage is concent- every one is dependent upon the Prime rated in the Prime Minilter's bands, but Minister. even functional patronaee is beinll concent- rated in her hands. I am sure }OU will It i. intercstinll that she bas become tho recall tbat in the past different Ministers patron saint of de·stabiliulion. Sho bas used to appoint the rnaD8gin. directors and de-stabilised the party, sbe has de-stabiliacd definitely tbe directors of various public Parlimcnt, she goes about de-stabilisinll tbe acctor enterprises, Tbe ",hole rule bas beeD regimes in the States, she lIoes about de- chanlled. Now appointmentl have to be stabilising other political parties, and what made by a Committee consistiDi of the il important iI, that Ihe bas converted tbo Prime Minister, tbe Home Minister and the Congresl Party into In orpnisation wbicb, Minister concerned, When the Prime 81 a Ceylonese paper recently pointed OUt- 323 JULY 29, 1970 Mot/on 324

    [Shri Asoka Metha] treated separately, on a different level from the other States in India? In Bihar for has today become an organisation wbich is instance, before the Congress Party wa9 absolulely dependent upon her. Take away divided, the then leader of the Congress the Prime Minisler, the whole Congress Party in Bihlr was nOI permitted by the organisation collapses. In the past, wben Prime Minister to form tbe Governmenl. Pandit Nehru was there. whatever authority In Slate after State attempts are m.de to see he exercised, he saw to il Ihat the organisa- that either somebody does not form a , tion had its own personality. its own Government, or that if a Gilvernm,nl f411s integrity, its own identity, and Ihat is why, promptly presidential rule is imposed. There even afler his sad dem'se, the organisation is, however, new pattern. a n,w appcolch, a remains new attitude as far as Kerala is concerned. Why is it so 1 Because it has a ~ SIIRIMATI TARKESHWARI SINHA led by the CPI. The CPI Ii the plce-setter She is feeling it is a compliment to ber. so far as the Prime Minisle "s programmes are concerned. What is premitted by the' SHRI ASOKA MEHT.-\: Wh!lher it is CPI will ~ in the rest of India tom)r. a comp:iment or not, I am concoraed wilh row. Thlt is why I am glad that my the analyasis of the silutation. Marxist friends have been altered in time.

    I would like my friends to realise Ihal Why has the rim: Minister p:rmitteJ that when a major pany or any political parlY GJvernmenl this kind of latitude? It is of significance is converled into a one pole ~ of ~ close ~ Ihll she tent, what the consequenCCJ are to the hlS forged with th' Govcrnru,nt of the p llitical life of the counlry as a whole. Soviet Union. It would be intere;1 ing to Therefore, these I hings are being done. and know, and I w.mlJ like tn: Prinlo Min:.·er il is in Ihis contexl Ihal one has also 10 10 give this informltion to the Hou;e. What look at what is happening in Keraia. is the numb" of calls and what i. the amount spenl on calls made from the ~ In Kerala, some polilics are being Minister's Secretariat and from the Foreign pushed Ihrough, whether they are straighl Office to Moscow 1 And let them compare forward politics or crocked politics events the amount on money and Ihe number of alone will show. 1 here is a possibility. Ihere calls made with similar calls to any other is a threal, of elections being rigged with major capital in the world I shlluld also some kind of faked rolls. and I was stun- like to know this. Recenlly, when the ned to hear whal Mr. Dallge had to say. Depuly Foreign Minister of the Soviet Mr. Dange advised Mr. Gopalan : "Why do Union, Mr. Ferobin, visited India did he or you bother aboul Ihe vo:ers' Iisl, what did he not say, talking about som'One who does it matter? There i. the list of voters is very close to the Prime Minisler: "we on Ihe one side and there are Ihe men on have special relationship with the gentleman. the olher. You claim to have the men wilh The Soviet Union has a special relationsbip you, send the men, wbal does it mltter, with Ihat person. What kind of 1089t wa, let Ihem take any name they like, malch the proposed and what kind of toasl was drunk names wilh the voters' lisl, and win and by Mr. Forobin when he was with some tbe election." I do nol think Mr. Gopalan top offidal, of the Government 1 J have no will be able or ~ to do it. Now tbat desire to say more on these tbing •. Eilher he has come round to lalk about fair and the Prime Minister knows tbese and deli- free elections, I hope be will not even wdnt berately pClmits tbem or she does not know. to do it. Whether Mr. Gopalan is allowed If sbe does not know we are in a parlous, to do it or nOl, I have no doubt tbat Mr. dangerous coudition, OIlDge wanls to do iI, and I am afraid Mr. Danae will be premit ted 10 do it aDd get I would be tbererore end up by sayin& away witb it. this. I beg of the Prime Minister to change her style. This style is endadgerina demo· Wby is this 80 1 Wby is Keral. beina cracy in tbis country and economic IIrowth 325 NooConjiden(e SRAVANA 7, 1892 (S.4AA) Motlo" 326

    which alone can enable us to bring about miseries. I shall give you a few startlinll social changes. If she does not change tbe pictures style, I have no doubt that the surgring surf of history will inevitably swee p her away, but in the meantime in calculable In the first 15 years of planninll, damage can be done to this beloved land Industrial production rose by 138 per cent. of ours. but industrial employment rose by only 35 percent. The correlation between MR. SPEAKER: Shri Piloo Mody. Your investment, proc'uction Bnd emplOyment, • party has got only four minutes: which operates effectively and automatically in otber countries just did not operate ill India because of the perverse economic SHRI M. R. MASANI: I corrected policies praclised by this Government. that impression; you please ask tbe office. I have taken half the time of my party; he will take the rest, The output per \\01 ker in the lasl IS years wrot up by 2_0 per cen', but the SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : ~ wages per wOIker inc. eased by onl) 76 per- if you say that I do not have the time, I cent: of this 57 per cent was wiped out by am Sl:re the Prime Minister will give me inflation, leavins a n. t lain of only 19 per some of her time so that I can describe what cent to Ihe worker. • power she has acquired and advise her how best to use them. Take the perninious import licensing policy of this country. Year .f:er year, tbe It is true that I have no confidence Government of India have issued ~ in this Government; I never have. and I worth Rs. 750 crores or there abouts ; in never will. If I were to start preparing a terms of intrinsic value these Iicencse chargesheet of its monumental failure; it would be worth Rs. 2,000 crores. Whom it would take me weeks to complete. and do You on think is makIng the profit? therefore, 1 will satisfy myself in highlight- The<;e profits are made wirhout puttinll ing just a few of the most glaring failure one ioto of work into this gross national of this Government, product. Where does this money come from? It eomes from the workers who The entire economic propramme of cannot be paid their need·baoed wage, and this Government has been based on "some it comes from the comumcr wJ.o has to stray thoughts, rather hurriedly dictated," pay a higher price for the product. And which miraculously transformed themselves, if there is any scientific definition throullh the gluttony of You nil Turks. into of the common man in this country, it I. aneeonomic programme that is supposed the consumer, If you orient a policy by to herald in the Great Socialist Dawn. which the consumer would benefir. you Unfortunately, .t will do nothing of the would have covered every single individual kind. in this country. No wonder these peap!e, my Communist friends, go on cryinll that When this Government cannot even the rich arc gettinll richer and the poor are eradicate the social injustice that it practic

    [Shrl Pilloo Mody] illiteracy Bnd ignorance 10 coniradici my Let me give you some statistics. In figures. the last five years, Ihe consumption of food grains went down by 3.7 per cenl ; MR. SPEAKER: The unparliamentary of cotton cloth by 11 per cent; edible remarks of Shri Deshmukb will be expun- oil. by 14 per cent; sugar by 17 per cent. ged. And by contrast, what do we have 7 The manufacture of motor cars went up by SHRI PILOO MODY Yet. this 23 per cent; of air·conditioners by 44 per Government in total disregard of all econo. cent ; rffrigeralors by 292 per cent; can- mic laws, ~ of its past performance, feetionelY by 52 per ceDt and art .ilk arbitrarily wants to pounce on the liveli- fabrics by ~ I per cent. These Ilre the hood of three lakhs of people just to satiate achievements of this great socialist Go- the appetite of half-baked Turks-one of vernment. whom we have just heard-doctrinaire eco- nomic quacks and frustrated politicians that And if ohject, I am labelled a form the hard core of theIr brains trust. reactionary; I am called a ~ I am Jobs, more jobs and even more jobs is what called a capitalist and a mOllopolist. we need in this country. Thi, is the finest All economic evils can be blamed on this form of social ju,tice. We have the resources Governmenl. They have not learnt from and the machinery to produce the jobs. We past mistakes. The latest dogma that they have the resources. We have the capacity, have developed is they want to nationalise if only the Governm,nt does not squander the cotton trade. For sheer stupidity and it away on these mons! rOll>;, meaningless vindictive vandalism. I think it would be public sector companies whIch yield no difficult to find aDother activity because profit and which luve been created through three lakhs of people are going to be out a sense of warped priority Rnd are grossly of employment overnight, and not One mismanaged, to boot. If Rs. I crore was sound reason has been advanced by this invested in heavy industry, it would produce Government why Ihey wish 10 do it. The 400 jobs. Take the same Rs. 1 crore and cotton Irade in India is the most efficient invest it in medium indUstries. You will marketing mechanism that has ever been create 1250 jobs. The same Rs. I crore devised. It has the smallest mart;in of invested in small-scale industry agriculture profit; less than one per cent. It gives or infrastructure would produce 4000 jobs. to the farmer the highest price that any The ratio is ten to one between heavy and sale of cotton has ever given in any ~ small·scale industries. Does this Govern- in the world. The Farmer iD India gets 90 ment not realise this after 22 years. having perccnt of the end-price of coUnn. It has increased unemployment at a monumental been Ibe finest link between Ihe consumer rate for the last so many years 1 and the producer, Ihe consumer which is Ibe textile mill and producer that is the farmer. It has been abused, interfered with Tho;e who say thlt the SWstantra and victimised. A credit squeeze has Party is reactionary are displaying colo- been brought on them and they have been ssal ignorance. It is a liberal party dedica- deprived of any insurance cover by closing ted to human welfare. The manifesto of the down the forward trading market; and Swat,ntra Party, if you care to read it, nowhere in the world has a higher per- is identical to that of the Social Demncrats centagc of faIn gone to the farmer in Germany, almost word for word. In Germany they were tbe left wing opposition to the ruling Christian Democrat coalition SHRI SHIVAJIRAO S. DESHMUKH ~ here we are considered as reaction. (Parbhaoi) :*'" aries, feudals or whatever jargon the com- munists invent and the ignorants adorning SHRI PllOO MODY : I do not expect the treasury benches are willing to adopt.

    ••ExpUD1:ed as ordered by the Chair. 337 ~ SRAVANA 7, 1891 ~ MOlion 3JlI

    ~~ 11ft Imf ~ ~ qf"'It) !fiT SITIf was only accomplished in revPlutionlU"Y verbalism. That person is Karensky. I ~ ~ ~ ~~ I lfTm It») <'I1rr mqlft would like Mrs. Indira Gandhi to ponder ~~ ~ I ~ irTffi it qfi<;jlt) IfiT wn: over in her momellts of stillness On the fate of Rarensky. Mr. Karensky died last ~~ «;rmm (f) ~ «;fir 4 ~ "1m month in exile in USA. Karenky did no t if ~ <'I1'T ;;rrij ~ ~ ~ omr It)<:a ~ have the will to act iD defence of tbe iDle- ..rr<'f1l'rite if ~ ~ Jl;r iimr q;<:a reslS of his country and the result was Ihat m<: ~ hod the experience of a civil war ~ I iIijQ 1T<:-f:;fI:il7mr q;r omr ~ ~ I and C(ln'( quent disaster aD a very largo qf;;;rq; 11'<: ~ ~ ~ ~ I scale Ii" a ieader was found and Ihat leader allhough J differ from him politically, Wat Lenin. Therefore, la-day we are concerned ~~ ~ tfT.r.t lJ;1t ~ f<:IH, wilh finding out v.hether Mrs. Indira ~ fu't!; if ~ ~ it ~ Gandbi, as Mr. Ranbir Singb would like 'I us to believe, is a holdCt" of beacon lillht of ~~ ~ ~ if; ~ ~ democracy in this counlry or if she is a ;a-;r1fiT tfrqq;) ~ 'fo"<:;rr ~ I ~ Karensky of India. If abe is aD Indian Karcnsky it is a malter ()f great concerll 'Tsia. A cC

    [Shri M. L. Sondhi] which has brought rich political dividend, to the Bharatiya Jan Sangh. the housewife in this country. I would in- vite her to Sarojini Nagar or Netaji Nagar or Aliganj where the Central Government I therefore feel that we must understand employees live. Let us see the fate of the today that the country is concerned with housewife. The value pf money which the wh"t is happening around. It is not as if housewife takes w hen she ~ for shopping the All India Radio can put out propaganda is reduced. The mother of the household or aod that that propaganda can be swallowed tbe sisteer of tbe bousehold cann'lt bring by the people_ We on tbis side of the back enougb grain, enough fruit or enough House I'Jise our emphatic protest to tbese bread. That is tbe stark reality. How is this sycophants who come and tell us what ~ happening at a time when the housewife was bbould say or what we should not say. We given the helpmanship of this country. That have learnt our lessons from MotiJal Nehru, is the fate of the housewife today and tbat Lala Lajpat Rai. Lokmanya Ttlak, Shyama- it why th, Jan Sungh has be who hold up somcthing or other aglinst the siuing here ~ not our me ',tors. Jan Sangh ideology, but this much [ may tell them that today the Bharatiya Jan With regard to foreign policy, it is said Sangh is in the forefront in expressing the that foreigll minister snou1d have an open discontent of the people at the failures of mind, but we found that ~ last ~ tbe Government to maintain economic occupying the Foreign Ministry haj an growth, to maintain monetary stability anj open moulh. On every ~ in season to check tbe unemployment. These are all and out of season, he would verba lise and serious problem. which we are taking up the Prime Minister would encourage htm. and it is a terrible plight on the part of the The Prime MlDister herself h .. b:en knowD housewife wbo is finding it difficult to make to make tnterperate sutements. Whll is the essent'al purchases bc;ause of ~ wrong result '/ It is the duty of the Prime Minister policies pursued by the Government. And and the Foreign Minister to projoct a tr ue today the Bbaratiya Jan Sangh is in the image of tbe country abroad. but what we find forefront in nsp.c! of formulating sound today is that we are insu;tcd abroad. When- economic policies. For 3 years she has not ever an Indian goes abroad he must 110 as a called the Jap Saogh cvmmunal But now man or dignity, but what do we find toddY 1 ",heD the Jan 5angh has brought out its We are insulted in Rabat; we did not go ecoDomic ideology sh. has called it commu- to Jakarta and there arc misllivings about u; nal and she is hurling abuses against the in South-east Asia. Everywbere Indians Jan 5angh. That is bad politics. if not any- are insulted; abuses arc hurled against us. thins else. That is not the way statesman- Why are we still a member of the British ship is reflected or understood in tbe demo- Commonwealtb of Nations, I waDt 10 ask. cratic countries of the world. Why should we remaiD in the company of such a country which practices racial dis- J n this country tbls is the real danger crimination, which supplies arms to south and with the taking o\'er of the Home Port- Africa, which regards every Indian as a SU$- folio by the Prime Minister we find a great peet immigrant? What did Mrs. Gandhi do deterioration in tbe law and order situation about it? As I said, tbey only belkve in the country. There is a tendency on her in verbalism, in words and wheD it comes part to alarm the public with stories of to action, Dothiog is done. SSO mi lion plots aaaiDst ber life, het smear tactics Indians are not people of clay. With our agliDst the Jan 5angh and the use of the cl()se.t neighbours what is the policy that offic'al machinery for ber OWD party ends. we pursue 1 What happens in CambOdia Thus she has alieDated the public mind and and Laos is a matter of concern to all of us the public sympathy which at one time had anj we wdnt that concern 10 be expressed been lIenerated for her. I congratulate my iD proper terms_ 1 would not arumble or party 00 she firm principles which it follows protest if sbe wants to widen ber political apinst the Prime Minister and her policies contacts as was allelled here. But there aro 341 No·Con/idenu SRAVANA " 1892 (SAKA) Motion 342

    methods of quiet diplomacy for that. Da, I say, would expand to tbe south. Hammerskjoeld and many others have taught us how by quiet diplomacy you can bring people together on tbe negotiating SHRI NAMBIAR: Jan Slngh Govern- table, I bave no objection if you wan' to ment in Moscow? find out at first hand the various groups in South·East Asia. Contact the Buddbists SHRI M. L. SONDHI : I would be glad who are tbere. Contact the PRO and to disclose to Shri N Imbiar certain histori- others. But must you dest roy the very cal details ..Thrice--I mean it very seriously basis of the Geneva setllelPents? Must you -in the history of ~ armies were as- destroy the very basis on wbich the IDter· sembled at Tashkent to march on to national Control Commission was set up? ~ That h a historical fact. In This is like a bull in a China shop. Who the modern context of tho nuclear weapons does not know which may he has to move? and so on, this may not sound wry relevant That sort of diplomacy ~ nOI worthy of the b'Jt we must be vigil.nt. and in determining nome diplomacy! If such a situation ~ our policy, I should like. for example, to India's image is reduced in tbe world. We stress that if we have inherited the tradition must be known in furtherance of our .politi· of Lord Buddha, if we have inherited the cal purposes that we talk with dignity and tradition of Mahalma Gandhi, we have we are heard with respect in the various inheriled ~ the tradition of ~ So, forums of tbe world, should we be ashamed to safeguard our interests where it is necessary? 18 brs.

    I crave your indulgence, Mr. Speaker, to When it is a queslion of c"mmunism, just spell out one prob:em. We have known I admire a man like Dubcek wh" wanted here accusations being h"rled ~8 the to create freedom plus ~ Rut Jana Sangh about tbe communal nature of we found how difficult it ha. been for tbe parly and so on. May I ask Ihe Prime Dubcek to survive in a certain system. Minister whether she has aoy introduction Then. I bere was a gentlemen called Cohn to modern methods of conllicl·resolution ? Bandit who led a ereat revolut 'on in France Does she understand that today it is He has written a book which is entitled Ob- modernisation in economics, in social be· solete Commul/ism. It is for Our Communist haviour, which will lead to integrated social friends to come OUt with fresh idelS .. I communities, and which will remove the would request them to remember that when danller which is posed by in!er·rdipious they think of trade unionism, let them not hatred inherited from tbe past? We are think of any person born abroad. Let them prepared for that modern and scientific think of Lokmanya Tilak and see what manner. Let her set up an institute of strength they wi:1 fed in ~ arms Rnd social peace research, and we shall contri· what conviction they will carry in this bute ideas to it, and let her come out witb country. Let them have the example of ideas herself. But this sort of ravinl propa- Netaji Subhas Bose, a man who was at one ganda is no t worthy of serious aU,'ntion time president of the AITUC, because it has a negative ~ There are a variety of problems facing One word I would address finally here this country. In this context, what I would and thlt is about Ru.sia. As I have said, ~ is that we put our heads together I want good relations wltb Russia. Bur we and we think of the work which is to he ruust understand that there are eerta;, his- done by us and not merely in a nellative torical forces. There is something known fasbion run each other down. What the as Russian expaniionism which i. inherited the Prime Minister has done and what none from the Czarist times. Russia has alwaya of her senior colleagues has prevented her been wanting to expand to the warm waters from doinll, is cumulative devaluation of the of the Indian Ocean. Any government in political system. That is not good. It Is power in Moscow, be It communist or not political modernisation. I would even a Jan Sanah Government in Moscow. commend to them certain books on politics. 343 No.Ccmjick"ce JULY 29, 1970 MOllo" 344

    [Shri M. L. sondbl] out quarter in DeIhl. J have the stalement of Dr. V.K.R.V. Rao and .everalother For, knowledae kDows no front iers. These basic necessities of housing, Knowledlle is sometbinl universal. rersom. food and shelter are not being provided for them. Therefore, this Government is a ID deference to your wisbes, J shall now feudal Govelnment, nct a modern tr, 10 conclude .•. Govem'TIent.

    MR. SPEAKBR I am waiting for his MR. SPEAKER: When I had gone conc:usioD. abroad, I came across a strange bell tlxed on the Table of the Speaker. It was called SMR! M. L. SONDHI: Let me con· 'revloution bell'. The moment the shouting elude DOW ... goes on or the speaker would not sit down I am rderrlrg 10 the speakers here, not to MR. SPEAKER: I had liveD him five mys:lf-that revolution bell would drown- minutes, but he bas already crossed the every thin ~ that the spe.ker was $lying and limit of IS minutes. The other parties are so he had to sil down I do not think hon. still left behind. members will allow me 10 put that bell on my Tat-Ie here. So I would request tbem SHRI M. L. SaNDHI: What I WOUld, to care 1"r my direClion!. therefore, commend is that natioDal interests be placed foremost. National interests SHRJ P. RAMAMURTI: A few will help us in small matters also. For minutes. example, India has made many protests to the So>iet Union that our borders or nur DR. RAM SUliHAG SINGH (Buxar): frnntiers in Soviet maps hove ~ ~ When is Ihe vOling likely to take place ? delineated properly. Our interest is not made clear to them. MR. SPEAKER: After one or two speakers, then the reply and then the MR. SPBAKER: His speech is m'lre voting. on foreilln aft' .• irs than OD the Motion before us. DR. RAM SUBIIAG SINGH: Ap. proximately when? SMRI M. L. SaNDHI: In coDculsion 1 S8Y thi.. What we want is a resolve OD MR. SPEAKER: Near about 7 the part of this Parliament, this sovereilln O'clock. forum of tbe Indian people. It does not mailer OD which side of the House we are, but tbis resolve should be there. th.t we SHRI P. RAMAMURTI (Madurai): want to do something lor the slarvin, Many membera opposile bave talked about ~ of nur countrymen, for those who Ihe irrelevance of this no-confidence Motion. have been denied their I ight. As I bappeD Tbe simple issue it raises is that one of tbe to represent a constitueDcy where a lot of bil!gcst frauds of an election is being souaht IDvernmeDt SClvanls live, I know how hald to be perpetrated in Kerala. It is not an tbeir feeling is ~ This Government election in the ordinary sense, but one of has deDied them the necessities of life. the biagest frauds in the name of an The family .>f the go>emment servan election is being SOullnt to be perpelrated starves. It does not have enough food, Ihere. Is tbis Parliament 10 k:ep qu;et clothio,; housina is non·existent. I hJve over that? Tbe Government of India I" slatistics here. thaI they are deveJopill8 in tbis country a parliamentary democratic sy.ten1. Wheth:r MR, SPEAKER: Some olher time. tbe Government of India have got a voice or opinion in Ihis mailer or not or wbetber SHRI M. L. SONDHI: There are they can interfere wil b the Election nearl, one lakh ,overnmcn: sel van IS wltb. CommissioQ ia nOI my qUQition. 345 No.Co/lfidence SRAVANA 7,1892 (SAK4) Morio,. 346

    Today I had e"pected from the 1 aw I 8m now concerned with this biagest fraud, MiDister a better perfurmance in his maideD aDd therefore my quesitoD is this. What speech. I did not expect him to just read is the answer of the Government of India a 8tatemeDt giveD to him by the ElectioD with regard to this billsest fraDd ? I charge Commission. Particularly after comrade that the GovernmeDt of IDdia is a party to GopalaD had given facts and figures to show Ihis fraud, because the Congress Party aDd how the election process is being conducted. Shrimati Indira Gandhi somehow or other I bad expected he wou'd try to answer want to get back the Achuta MenoD tbaD rather than just read a written script Ministry, willy nilly, whether there is proper 'Yblcb wa. evidently liven to him by the election or fraudu!ent electioD or any ElectioD Commission. election.

    They talked about the three by· election. The other day the GoverDor had beeD that had taken place. My simrle answer here, and I am reliably told that the is this. How was it that in those three Governor had lold Mrs. Gandhi that this bye-elections printed lists were given? MiDistry has got to be relu .. Dcd, the elec:ion Where have they disappeared now? Why must be he:d immediately on whatever rolls is it that in this election no printed li,t is arc available. That is why this cODspiracy being given but such manuscripts are being is being made. given? Either those prinltd lisls were lists of the previou9 electioD-for the 1967 In DO election iD this couDlry till today election--or if there had ~ another from 1952 onwards bave mlDuscript priDted IiPt, obviC'usly it would h!Ye been electoral rolls beeD giveD to tbe parties for giveD to us. correctioD, and no electoral rolls can be priDted Wilh this thing befor" the 8th. The ~ is why Is this heing done You are goinll to conduct .ho ciccI ions with iD haste when everything. every difficulty this manuscript thing? Therefore, I would experieDced by the Ileopl •. has berD made a.k t hem to declare on the floor of tho clear to tbem. The ~ are there till the House whether al any time before in the 25 Au@ust. Nobody knows whether they history of this counlfY, during the entire will not coDtinue after tbe 25th also. period of eiectioDs that ha\'e taken placee, When tbe Election Commission is satisfied such frauds had ever been committed. If that there are very grave mistakes iD the it is Dot so what is the answer of the electoral rolls, i, it or i. it not necessary Goverr ment of India? Let the GovernmeDt for him to give the penp'e sufficient time to of India, let the Prime MiDister, declare see that those mistakes are corrected? openiy that as far as the Government of India is concerned, it does Dot want such elections, whatever might be the POSitiOD. Here was comrade Gopalan who made The Ministry may last or may DOt last. the charge that till even last night the We can have a spell of Governor's rule If electoral rolls had not beeD given to us, Decessary, but we want the electloos to be and there is Mr. Hanumanthaiya who conducted arter priming tbe electoral roll. cannot refute it. He has got to see whether giving copies of the electoral rolls to ~ these are fects or not 1 am prepared to parties aDd astins them to correct them. stand here aDd challenges tbe Prime Minister. Ltt a Commission of ParliameDt immediately The questioD of what bappened iD 1967 10 and see whether the facts that we aUege, aDd 1970 does not arise, because it has been thot copies of the electoal ro'is have DOl prov.;d and the Ele;uon Commi.sioo tlself been given to .he parties even till yeaterday, is sadslie<1 t hal it was a wrong electoral roll are correCI or not. and 80 it agreed to itl revlSloo. Therefore, this is the simple issue OD which we waDt ADd then you say that to correct the to ceD'ure the GovernmeDt. electoral roll. tbe time has toe. D e"tended by twO days, from the 331h July to ht September. What is th·.? I. tbls Dot Yos acccpl tl.at. If you do Dot accept the blBlleat fraudtbat.is heiDI perpetnkd ? that, it only proves my charlJC that you have 347 JULY 29, 1970 Motion 348

    [Sbri P. Ramamurti] Union territories, The figures are there for conspired. Ihe Government of India bas all 10 see. It is not a secret document. conspired. If you do not agree to do this Kerala is DO rxception. ~ is the average and if you want to conduct the election on net increase per year Assa'll 2 88 per cent, that basis, I am not at all sorry because you Bihar 2.21, HaryanJ 2.5, Orissa 2.58. Tamil Yo ill be only proving to the ~ of thi; Nadu 2.12, West Bengll 208, Rerala 2.7, country what we have been saying all the per cent. When tt e ~ n!t inc rease in time. We have been teling the peop'e that the nurnber of voters per - year ~ a result all this talk of democracy which the,e of tbe revision of the :Ie; oral rolls is be(- people indulge in from time to time is ju,t we:n ~ and 1 per cent n:>t only in Kerala a Shibboleth, that when it suits them they ~ in more than silt Stales, Messrs. Rama- will subvert even these rules of bourgeoi' murti and Gopalan callnot go anout selling democracy. Therefore. we have been telhng this fanta-lie suggestion thaI in Kera!a alone the people that the ~ ~ in this there was latsifie.tion of clccloral rolls. country, the classes in power the ruling They did nOI sp;ak about the ~ States. classes cannot be overthrown by thi' kind ~ has ra;scd obj:c;ion about the electoral of tbiD8 because evey time they will adoN rolls of Ihree constituencies where by- such. stratagem and in the ultimate a laly- elections lOok place on th"sc very electoral sis the vested iDle eSIS caD be overthrown rolls which were revised OD 1st J lnuary only by opeD class battles of the classes 1970. He says that he raised objJctioDs but concerned. You will be proving that, and I it is significant that the Ictter h. wrote to will thaDk you for proving that. We will be the E'edion Commission was dated July extremely grateful to you for proving our 10th, although byelections took place on thesis. 20lh April. When puties go into byeleclions they should be wise enough and experienced SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR (Peerm:"'e) eunugh to find things in the field, At tho I was inlerested in il!terveDing at this siage gra .. rontS, in the ~ If thcre are only to dispel any misrepresenLlI ion of facts persons above 21 years of "go W:,O arc DOt which may be made by the Mr. P. Rama· iD Ihe list of VOlers, people will find out and murll. say thaI som! hing wrong is there. There WH DO murmur of protest at that time about I yas surprhed to see tbat he and his the elec'oral rolls eith" to the Ekction colleagues are sbifting their ground almost C,)mmission in April, Mayor even in June. every momeDt. Rigbt from Mr. Limaye, 0" July 10 Mr. Gopalan write; a letter includiDg Mr. Gopalan we have seen .hat bc,ause on June 26th the Kera'a Assembly they were trumpeting so \lluch ab< u 31 is di.

    SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : It is not that. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: There I do not expfct a person like Shri Vasu- arc cases like this. They want to shout me devan Nair 10 say like that. s'hri Nom- down. I am only II'Vlnll out these boodiripad returned to India afrer one facts and fiaores with great sorrow mODlh and wilhin that period of one and a lot of reluctanee. because monlh there were so many cases where Ihese people arc tryinll day in and day out the numbers involved "ere 400, 500, 7,000 to slaDder and matign our party and several and sa on. It increased because of that. other parties in Kera la. I can claim that (lnterruptioll) our Government and our Chier Monister have done somethinll remarkable in the SHRI VASUDlVAN NAIR: Is he ma- annals of parliamenlary bistory. They have king a speech, Sir? Is he making another gODe to the Assembly with couraBe. speech? There is no use gelling anllry, (Interruptions). I have a rigbt to express became Ihe records 8re there. (Interruption) my views in this House. Wben Mr. Cropa- That is why 1 say that facts are against Ian aDd Mr. Ramamurti were speakinll, the them. Otherwise, why should they shout 24 members of our party were keepiDB like Ihis ? The facts are Ihese. They say Quiet. But now 10 p::ople are tryinll to that 50,0:0 cadres are prosecuted in cases shout me down. I have a rillht to express connected with the implementation of the my views_ When our Government was Land Reforms Act, while the actual fact is <:balleDlled, whc.n we tbought there W8I a lSI NO-Co/lfjdrnct JULY t9, 1970 Motloll 352

    [Shri Vasudevan Nair] only one thing to say. I have been indeed move to topple the Government, Ihe Chief amused a' some h m. Member remarked Minister went before the Assembly with a rrom Ihe other ~ because once I did cJnfidence motion. He did not run away listen to Shri Asoka Mebta. The result from the A>sembly. He got a vote in his was not One or my most conspicuously favour. But day in Rnd day out these successful act ions. people are trying to run down Ibe Cbier M,nister like that. Mr. Gopalan in his Since yesterday there has been a pitirul stalement used the words "pack of v.olves" effort to put Humpty-Dumply togelher lIgninst the Achuta Menon mlD16try. again. Some people had seen visions of a (]"Ierruplions). They can use any slaude- t rand alliance but evidently tbey could not 'fOUS language about olher parties, otber w n a vote of confidence e\en from their Govern=nls and Chief MinIsters. Th

    SHRI A, K. GOPALAN t The Election said to Shri Gopalan when he came to see Commissioner has said something: I say me about this, ) have referred this mailer to Ihat what he said is not conect. You must the Election Commissioner tbat such a examine and decide whether what he says is complaint had been made and I was told correct or what we say is correct. that be had looked inlo the malter. Tbere is, as you all know, still time for any objec· SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: This lions 10 be raised in this matter. But I can is not a governmental function. All that assure the hon. House that we stand fully we can do is to draw the commissions at- for free and fair elections. We are not con- tent:on to complaints. The Government is cerned with what party comes into power. not here to interfere with the Election Com- Nat urally ~ would like their party mission or the Election Commissioner. And to win but not at the cost of fair play or I should like to say that one of tbe thinas damage 10 the electoral system. We will about wbich we can legitimately be proud in never stand for. As you aU know, as tbe in India since our independence is the fact Central Government we have given support that, except for occasional isolated cases, and cooperat ion to all governments of what- our eleclions have been frcc and fair and ever hue Ihey were, whiCh ~ into power have liven the people unfettered opportun- anywhere in the country. ity to express their wish. The very fact that almost every party has had the oppor- For the first time there was somethinll tunity of being elected to form a government, new in this No confidence M"tion and that elected to power and also removed from was the strange alliance whicb we witnessed. power, is a proof if proof is needed, of the As was effectively pointed out by Shri strength and justice of our electoral ,ystem. Chandra J. et Yadav, the cat was let oul of the bag by Ihe hon. Member, Ihe Swatantre SHRI A.K. GOP ALAN: I want to spokesman, when he delivered a broadside know whether the printed electoral rolls against socialism and nationalisation, were given. I also want to know wbeth" which of course they always c.1I State tbe election date was fixeJ anywhere in capitalism. India before the printed list was given. As usual, all kinds of olher baseless SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: I do charges and insinualions have been made. not know whether printed lists are given to Reckless personal charges were made against the people or not...... (Interruption) but ,ome of my c oUepgues and Ilainst my tbe primed lists are available at the places Secretariat. I do not need 10 defend them wbere they are kept ...... (Interruption). because they are capable of takiDg care of themselves, but ) can only feci sorry that SHRIMATI TARKESHWARI SINHA: some hon. Members simply cannot get away We arc given printed lists ...... (['Item p. from Ihis kind of vituperation and also from lion). giving a casleist or a regional bias to iliy. thing that happens in the country. SHRIMATi INDIRA GANDHI: We bave not only an independent Election Com· "1 ~ : ...n gro ~ ~~ __ mission but the law courts also exercise full vigilancc to ensure Ihe fairness of our elec- ~~~ ifn' ~ Riff ~ I wf.t ~ Itt lions. It is rather unfortunate 'hat any kind 1r.f ifn' qrotlf fi=IfT ~ I of doubt is cast on the election system wbich bas worked effectively all these years. SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: Al- though the question of the Kerala elections It is also difficult to believe that all of a has been brought in IS a bait to the Mom-. fiudden a State Government in a part of bers of the cPl (M). il is obvious that the Ind.a which is known for its high political entire motion is designed as a personal 8~ and literacy should meddle aUack on me on tbe supposed concentration with .h, elJ:toral ~ I{) ~ as I of power in my hands. In fact. roCoreot:!ll. 3SS NO-Con f idence JULY 29,1970 MOlion

    [Shrimati Indira Gandhi] public service. It has necessarily to be a ~ ttm made to the recent reshuffle of the part of the Personnel Department. Even Cabinet and the transfer of some depart- in the Home Ministry, the work was being ments to the Cabinet Secretariat. I did nc t looked after on the Services side uDd:r a create the Cabinet Secl etariat_ It has long separate Secretary (Services). been in existence. I did not invent the Prime Minister's Secretariat either. Con- The Directora:e of Revenue Intelligence tra'ry to what some member has said, the was ~ from the MiDiSiry of Finance Prime Minister's Secretariat in its present to the Cabinet Secretariat in ~ to enS'Jre from was not designed by me but by my better coordination with the ~ Burelu dls'inguished predecessor. Shri Lal Bahadurji of Investigation. The C.B I. has alreJdy a Shastri. Since then we have answered qurs- wing dealing with economic off

    AN HON. MEMBER: It is all Sir, I have respect for my colleagues, amusing, respect fI'T their abilily and respect for theit dedicatioo to the welC.re of the people aDd SHRIMA TI INDIRA GANDHI: It may to Ihe progress of this great Dation. seem amusing to you. But for most such (llllerruptions). That is why we have been organisations that have to be set up, with ab'e to work togelher and to inlroduce which many Ministries are concerned, it is certa:n far·reaching changes iD our national mor( convenient for coordinated working if life. I do agree with the han. Member' at this stage the Prime Minister is there. Shri D\\ivedy, that much tbat we wanted ~ Simi'arly a great deal was said al)out do we have oot been able to do. W. hJve ministerial responsibility being diluted and Dot beeD able to proceed as fa.t as we collective responsibility being discounted. would like to do. We bave Dot said tbat Nothing could be farther from the fact. we have done everyt hing. But when you Many hon. Members do not seem to have a go ahead in a democral ic way. it is a slower correct apprecia ion of what is meant by path thao the other. I am not sayiog this collective responsibility. All Cabinet to excuse ourselves because I fully realise decisioos are coliec!ively taken. (Interrup- tbat we must work more speedily and tions). Some decisions are taken by reach our goals more effectively, individual Mini&ters but we are all collectively responsible aod these decisions Cabinet Government and Parliamentary are coll,ctively su,'por:ed and defended by Democracy are built on Ihe princ:ple that the co i e Government. In modern Govern. the over riding power and re'ponsibllilY ment, several spot decisions must also be rests in the legislature. Parliament is the taken aod Ministers who take them do so ~ of Mini"ers and if you could put in the full knowkdlle that they will have it that way, Ministers in turn are-I do to defmd them on tbe floor oC t be House not like the word 'mas'er'-in a way over aod in the full trust that they will have the civil ~ Th('se who are propogatin, full support of their co Ie 19ues. All the myth oC a powerful bureaucracy a'e in cootroversial matters a re brought to the fact running d0wn this Parliament and the Cabinet Lself or to one oC its Commiltees. work which it has been doing to guard Ihe I do not have to point out thn throughout people's intereslS. Now you can give the last year my colleagues ~ come to this civil ,ervice any name you like, but the fact House aDd given the reasons For their remains that wbetber you bave a capitalist decisions. They bave won an open vote of government or a socialist government or tbe House. They have withstlood many aoy otber form of governmeot, it has to have determined efforts to shake them and some kiod of a ci vii service. challenge tbem. HOD. Members from the Opposition bad wrongly imagined tbat we If it is a large country ob"iously that 00 tbis side would not stand together. They civil service will be large, And a country have speot days aod nights planning io wbicb society itself takes upon itself the strategies and offering prayers to divide us. power and the dUly to regulale economic (Interruptions) and social life bas to have tbe appropriate 359 N ~~ JULY 29, 1970 Motion 360

    [Shrimati Indira Gandhi] most of us. They are facing very genuine macbinery to do it. But the hon. Member hardships and this is a matter of grave con- i, riah! when he said tbat in a socialist cern and deep distress. The Government hilS State there will be more servants of tbe indeed a heavy responsibility to settle and State, but they are servants of the people, rehabilitate them with great speed. We are not maston of tbe people. doing everything poosible towards this end. Shri Samar Guha's excitement was under- standable. I entirely sgree witb what he said There may be, and there is, some this morning about the political side of the inefficicncy and there may also be some problem. He mentioned also my visit to deadwood in the Administrative organisa- Calcutta, But, as I told him when I met him tion. But we cannot deny tbat there are there that particular visit was for a limited also fine people who are as good as any in purpose, that is, '0 look into tbe implemen- the world. 1 hey are doing their work tation of the various decisions which had witb ability and dedication. 11 would be a been tak:n ealier in Ddhi. And, the steps pity if the House were to do anything which being taken for the refugees and their reba- would blunt these tools. Tbis is not bilitation formed a considerable part of thIs peculiar to our country, because, almost discu5Sion, whether it was with political everywhere there is sometimes criticism parties, whether it was with administrators against bureaucrats and even in countr ies or some of tbe other public men and women and Governments wbieh have far more whom lemet, I have promised our friends advanced methods tban we can afford from Bengal to visit the transit camps soon. today. I am sorry I could not go there on tbat occasion. A statement of mine or rather a speecb was quoted and in tbe attempt to sbow that there was some contradiction between that This is hardly the occasion on wbich to and a leiter which I had written about our speak about Manipur. But, since the matter administrative servicc to a newly sleeted was brought UP. I would just like to say lAS officer. I don't think that there is that this House is fully aware of the law and Bny contradiction between the two. Because, order situation there. It is obviou" whether I do believe that we must live better status it is Manipur or elsewhere, that the restora- to Specialists. All over the world it bas tion of normal conditions is an e,s:ntial pre- been realised tbat technical jobs must go to condition for any fair election. Yet we all technicians. But everywbere administrators know tbat this part of the country faces and business managers also are being given many difficult problems. We are looking more intensive Iraining in now and modera into them. methods. We have been choosing specialists for our technical POStS so far as possible, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU Double but at no time has this meant that we Stal

    Something has been said about the Shri Surendranath Dwivedy also spoke communal problem. But this rroblem has heatedly about land reforms. I do not think been thoroughly debated on earlier occasions that it is correct to say tbat our programmes and I leave it to the country to judge wbose are not making any headway even in the speecoes have been provocative or ha"e States where we are in contro\. I think there added to the tension in any particular area. has never bcon greater consciousness at tho Centre and in the States of the great impor- The problem of the refugees is raturally tance of creating an equitable agrarian stru- one which is uppermost in the minds of cture within the ~ possible timc. 361 No-Confidence SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKAl Motion 362

    In Bengal, we announced some months loyment. particularly of skilled personuel ago that the occupiers of land belonging to such as engineers and technicians Iiet in eli&ible categories would not be evicted and visorous implementation of the plan and tbat tbeir position would be regularised very ioclusion of specially labour-intensive pro- soon. Earlier this month, the West Bengal. grammes, Land Reforms Amendment Act was enacted. Its result will be to increase the burgadar's SHRI PILOO MODY: Plan,? They share of the produce fwm 60 to 75 per ccnt, are responsible for the mischief. in cases where they themselves provide all the inputs. The conditions under whiCh land SHRIMATIINDIRA GANDHI: The owners are permitted to resume lands have plan outlay for the current year has been been made mOre favourable to burgadars, steppe(l up by about Rs. 400 crores espe- and the right of cultivation by tbem has cially with a view 10 bring some improve- been made hereditary. It has also been ment io the employment situation. We are decided to enact fresh legislation on ceiling, examining how to speedily orgaoise a land fixing the ceiling in terms of famaily rather army, that is, enrolling cadres of skilled than individual un'ts ~ details are now and unskilled workers to be put to work on beiog finalised. Thc Government of West speciDc projects of public utility. Bengal have been told to give this work the highest priority, t hat is. the re-distribution Tbere was reference to the performance of wa,te and ~ land to eligible culti- of nationalised banks. It mly be tbat we vators, In this matter, the State Government did proceed a bit slowly for many reasonl. are reviewing the ceiling law and enforcing But there is no basis for tbe criticism that the exist ing ceilings with much greater beneDts have not accrued to the small per- rigoor. (/IIIe-rupr;ons) Detailed ~ sons or the sm 111 ~ although I bave already gone out to district ~ concede that much remains to be done and and notices have been servod on several must be done speedily. tbomands of the largest owners of surplug land. The amendments to the Bihar Tenancy 19 hn. Act, carried out during President's rule, are beiog implemented, so that even bataidars The number of borrowal acc()unts in the on oral lease are not ~ to eviction. case of direct loans to agriculture went up from Ro. 1,34,849 at tbe end of 1 une, 1969 10 UP, the ~ laws are being to Ro. 2,97,670 by the end of March, 1970. reviewed. In Maharashtra, the rent pay- The Dumber of accounts for advances to able by tenan:s to land-owners has been retail traders aod small business increased reduced to one-sixth of tbe produce, which from 28,037 at thc end of June, 1969 to 70, is perbaps the lowest in the country. After 607 by the eod of March, 1970. Similarly, many )'ears. there is now real bope the Dumber of loa us to self-employed per- tbat land reforms, wbich have so long been SCIOS increased impressively from 422 at the talked about. are at last under way. end of June, 1969 to 22,OJO b;V the end of Marcb, 1970. The share of advances to The examples of Bibar and West Bengal to n.glected sectors, namely, agriculture, during President's rule conclusively show small scale industries, road transport opera- that the Central Government is earnestly tors, retail uaders, small business e,c in engaged in carryinll tbrough tbe measures the aggregate advallccs of the public sector wbicb it bas been urging on other State banks increased from 14.6 per cent at the Governments . cod of June, 1969 to 20.3 per cent by tbe end of Marcb, 1970. 1 he other problem which is very much on everybod)'s mind is naturally that of un- Tbere were some entirely false charscs employment. I fully ~ tbe concern ex- made regarding ilsuiDIL of licences. Pcrbl!P8 pressed in this House and outside about the House kDOWS that the decision in all tbis growing problem. But the only lasting Important cases is taken not by allY indiyi- remedy for unemployment and under-emp- dual Minister or by tbe Prime Mini.ter .but 363 No-Corr/itknce JULY 29, 1970 Mot/Dn 364

    [Sbrimati Indira Gandhi] Tbe biggest lie that has been lold in this by .be CabilKt as a wbole. A ridiculous state- House on tbis occasion is the one tbat is ment was made allegioa tbat I had taken now beiDg constantly repeated about our over Iicensinl in my own hands. ~ subserviance, as they say, to the Soviet could be ~ from the truth. All that Union. This, as the House and those mem- has been decided is that the grant of Iicen- ben wbo bave been in the House for some «s in certain de6ned cases sbould be time. will remember. is not a new charge. It considered by tbe Committee on Economic was also make against my father. Some Co.ordination on which all Ministers dealing called him a Soviet stooge and others called with economic matten are represeoted. him an American camp-fOllower, but he This is largely because this is a controversial was an Indian. a proud IndiaD. No.... the matter, and maoy cases come within the pur- same cbarge is being levelled aglinst me. view of different Ministries also. Therefore, My concern is only for the people of India. the question is not of eonccntration of power These charges are not going to deflect us but of sharing responsibility Bod decision from seeking friendship with all nations making power :lOd bringing the collective because the country's good requires it. And judllment of a ministerial IIroup to bear on when the national interests demand it, we theSCI important problems of licensing. shall not hesitate to stand up against all nations. Somebody said: let ~ have one SHRI RANJEET SINGH (KhaJilabad: example. There is a very recent example, Wby bas sbe taken a way Shri Swaran which is our not signing the NPf. Singb's intelligeoce 1 SHRI M. L. SONDHI: That is be- SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: It cause of our pressure. bas been allrged that the decisions taken On ~ Irant of induotrial licences bave been SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: Mr. inspired by dishonest motive;. I have Sondhi has some imaginary ideas of his no hesitation in saying 'hat this is a misehie· Own strength in this House. I will leave vous and ~ charge. and also an him to his illusion. entirely dishonest charge. I have no h,;ita- tion in maintaining that the interest of the SHRI M. L. SONDHI When you national economy and not narrow or party hold a public meeting next. I will hold one or personal interest guides our decisions. the same day. I have been compared, not for the 6rst SHRtMATI INDIRA GANDHI: I trust time. to Hitler. Stalin and Mussolini. If tbe country will treat this charge with the they had perhaps read ~ books. they contempt which it deserve" India, free, could have used more names. I thhk the sovereigR. democratic India, shall never be a people will laugh at the prepost rouseness satellite of any country, however great or of tbese comparisons. powerful. It was somewhat dramatically sta'cd that this country would not to!erate Hitler. I SHRI PllOO MODY: Except the entirely agree with this. In fact, this is Soviet Union. wbat I myself have been saying. I have said it in the House; I have said it outside SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: Those alsO. This country will not to'erate Hitler who bandy about this charge show a singular and wbat Hltlerism stands for. But we lack of eon6dence in tbemselves or in tbe should know what it stands for, namely, country. All the chanceries of tte world the preaching of hatred against sect ions of know and ~ the fact that our country tbe people, ~ building up of para-military has stead fastly pursued its own course of organisations, the use of the lie, the big lie action. and the biggest lie and the readiness to use any and every method caplure power. We do not believe in such methods; we ~ SHRIMATI TARKESHWARI SINHA: Mft;b me1hods to othen. In spite of you. 36S No.co"fidence SRAVANA 1. 1892 (SAKA) Motion 366

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    MR. SPEAKER: Those members of Gowd, Shri GadiliDgaDa the Rajya Sabha who are Ministers will not Gowder, Shri Nanja vote. How can they vote ? Goyal, Shri Shri Chand Gupta. Shri Kaowar Lal SHRIMATI TARKESHWARI SINHA: Hari Krisbna, Sbri Why are they sitting here? They should Himatsingka, Shri withdraw. Iai Siogh, Shri Jena, Shri D. D. MR. SPEAKER: If they vote, action Jha, Shri Shiva Chandra caD be taken agaiost them. Joshi, Shri lagannath Rao Joshi, Shri S. M. SHRI RANGA: There is no ~ Kachwai, Shri Hukam Chand tioo for their presence here. Kamaraj, Shri K. Kami Singh, Dr. MR SPEAKER: Now the question is : Kedaria, Shri C. M. "That this House express its want of Khan, Shri Ghayoor Ali confidence in the Council of Khan, Shri H. Ajmal Ministers." Kothari, Shri S. S. Koushik, Shri K. M. Th. LDk SaMa dir/ded : Kripalani, Shri J. B. Kripalani, Shrimati Sucheta Limaye, Shri Madhu Division No. 1 J (19.32 brs. Madhok, Shri Bal Raj Majhi, Shri Mahendra AYES Masani, Shri M. R, Masuriya Din. Shd Agadi, Shri S. A. Meena, Shri Meetha Lal Amat, Shri D. Mehta, Sri Asoka Amin. Shri R. K. Mehta Shri P. M. Anirudhan, Shri K. Menon, Shri Viswanatha Avedya Nath, Shri Mirza, Shri Sakar Ali Ayarwal, Shri Ram Singh Misra, Shri Jancshwar Bajaj. Shri Kamatnayan MJdak, Shd B. K. ~ Shri Jyotirmoy Mody, ShTi Piloo Berwa, Shri Onkar Lal Mohamed Imam, Shri J. Bhadoria, Shri Arjun Singh Mohammad Ismlil, Sh,i BhagabaD Das, Shri Mohinder Kaur, Sb,ima i Brij Bhushan Lal, Shri Mol8hu Pnsad, St.ri Chakrapani, Shri C. K. Mrit) unjay Pr"sad, Shri Chauhan, Shri Bharal Singh Mukerjee, Shrimati Sharda Dar, Shri Abdul Ghani Mu'ti, Sh,i M. S. Dass, Shri C. Naghnoor, Shri 1\1. N. Deb, Shri D. N. Naik, Shri G. C. Dca, Shri K. P. Singh Naik, Shri R. V. Deo. Shri P. K. Nambiar, Sbri Dco, Shri R. R. Singh Nayanar, Shri E.K. Desai. Shri Morarji Nayar, Shcimati Shakunlla Dhrangadhra, Shri Sriraj Megirajji Nayar, Dr, Sushila Dipa, Shri A. Nlbal Singb, Sh,i ESlhose, Shri P. P. ODkar Sinah, Sbri Fernandes, Shri George Pandey, Shrl K. N. Ghosh, Shri Bimalkanti Parmar, Shri bhaljibbAi Ghosh, Shri Ganesh Patel, Shri Babu,ao Gopalun, Shri A. K. Patel, Shri 1. H. Gopalan, Shri P. Patel, Sh,i Manubhai Gopalan, Shrimati Suseela Patel, Shri N. N. ~ JULY 29, 1970 Mollon

    Poonacha, Shri C. M. Ahmed, Shri F. A. Rajasekharan, Shri Ankineedu, Shri Raju, Shri D. B. Anthony, Shri Frank Raju Dr. D. S. Asghar Husain, Shri Ram Dbani Das, Shri Atam Das, Shri Ram ~ Singh, Dr. Awadcsh Chandra Singh, Shri Ramamurti, Shri Shri P. Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha Ramani, Shri K. Babunath Singh, Shri Rampur, Shri M Ihld!v ~ Badruddujl, Shri Rania, Silri Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Ranjce! Singh, Shri Blkshi, Shri Ghulam Mohammad Rao, Shri V. NH3Si:nhl Iltncrjee, Shri S M. Reddy, Shri R. D Barrow, Shri Reddy, Shri N. ~ Barua, Shri Rcdahrata Sanji Rupji. Shri Barupal, Shri P. L. SantO\bam, Dr. M. lJasu, Dr. Maitrcyee Sarma, Shri T. A. Basw"nt, Silri Satya Narain Singh, Shri Be

    Ganesb, Shri K, R, Maharaj Sinah, Shri Gangl Devi, Shrima Ii Mahida, Shri Narendra SiDlh Gareha, Shri Devender SiD.h Mahishi, Dr, SarojiDi Gautam, Shri C. D. Malbotra, Shti Inder 1, Gavit, Shri Tukaram Mandai, Shri Yamuna Prasad Ghosh, Shri P. K. Mane, Shri Shankarrao Ghosh, Shri Parimal Manoharan, Shri Girja Kumari, Shrimati Marandi. Shri Govind Das. Dr, Master, Shri nhoJa Nath Gupta, Shri indrajil Mayavan. Shri Gupta. Shri Lakhan Lal Meghachandra, Shrl M. Gureharan Singh, Sbri Melkote, Dr. Hajarnawis, Shri Menon, Shri Krishna Halder, Shri K, Minimata Agam Dass Guru, Sbrim8ti Hanumanlbaiya Shri K, Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Heerj; Bhai, Shri Mishra, ~ G, S. Hem Raj, Shri Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Hcoro, Shd N, E. Mohsin, Shri Jqbal Singh, Shri Mukerjee Shri H. N. Jadbav, ~ 1ubhidas Mulla, Shri A. N. Jadhav, Shli Y, N, Murthy, Shri B, S. Jagjiwan R"m, Shri Nahata, Shri Amrit Jamir, Shri S, C. Nair, Shri Vasudevan Jamna Lal, Shri Nanda, Shri Janardhanan, Shri C. Oraon, Shli Ka'tik Jta, Shri Bhogendra Pahadia, Shri Jaglnnath Kahandole. Shri Z, M. Palchoudhuri Shrimati lIa Kalita, Shri ~ Pandey, Sh ri Sarjoo Kamble, Shri Panigrahi, Shri Chintamani Kam'n Kumari, Kumlri Pant, Shri K, C. Kandappan, Shri S. Paokni Haokip, Shrl Karan Singh, Dr.' Parmar, Shri D,R . Kns ure, Shri A. S, Para tap Singh, Shri Kavade, Shri n, R, Parthasara,hy, Shri P. Kedar Math Singh, Shri Pat ii, Shri Anantrao Ktsri, Shri Sitaram Pati!, Shri Deorao Khadilkar, Shri R, K. Patil Shri N, R. Khan, Shri Lataf, Ali Patil, Shri S. B. KhaD, Shri M. A, Patil Shri S. D. Kinder Lal, Shri PoilU, Shri T. A. Kisku, Shri A. K, Pradhani, Shri K, Kotoki, Shri Liladhar Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Sbafi Krishna, Shri M R, Radhabai, Sbrimati B. Krishnappa, Shri M. V. Ralhu Ramaiab, Sbri Kuebchr, Sbri G, Raj Deo Singh, Sbri Kureel, Shri B, N. Rajaram, Shri Lakshmikanthamma, Shrimati Rajni Devi, Shrimati Lalit Sen, Shri Ram, Shri T. Laskar, Shri N. R. Ram Charan, Shri Laxmi Bai, Shrimati Ram Dban, Shri Lutfal Haque, Shri Ram Sewak, Shri Madhukar, Shri K. M. Ram Swarup, Shri Mahadcva Prasad, Dr, Ramsbekbar Prasad Sinlb, Sbri Mahajan, Shri Vikram Chand HaDa, Shri M. B. Mahajan, Shri Yadav ShiyralXl Rand hir Sin,b, Sbri 319 No-Collfidence Motion JULY 29, 1910 Re. Dr. Dharma TFJa St. 380

    R.ao, Sbrj Jasanatb Sonar, Dr. A. G. Rao, Dr. K. L. Sonavaoe, Shri Rao, Shri Muthyal Sreedharan, Shri A, Rao, Shri J. Ramapathi Sudarsanam, Shri M. Rao, Shri Thirumltla Sunder Lal. Shri Rao, Dr. V. K. R. V. Surendra Pal Singh, Shri Raut, Shri Bhola Swaran Singh, Shri Reddi, Shri G. S. Thakur. Shai P. R. Reddy, Shri Eswara Tiwary. Shri D. N. Rohatsi, Shrimati Sushila Tiwary, &hri K. N. Roy, Shri Bishwanath Tripathi, Shri K. D. Roy, Shrimati Uma Tula Ram, Shri Sadhu Ram, Shr. Uikey, Shri M. G. Salgal, Shri A. S. Veokatswamy, Shri G. Sait, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Verma, Shri Balgovind Seleem, Shri M. Yunu! Verma, Shri Prem Chad Samanta, Shri S. C, Viswanatham, Shri Tenneti Sambhali, Shri Ishaq Vya!, Shri Ramesh Chandra Saoshi, Shri N. K. Yadab, Shri N. P. Saokala Prasad, Dr. Yadav, Shri Chandra Jeet Sant Bux SioSh, Shri Yadav, Shri lageshwar Savitri Shyam, Shrimati Sayyad Ali, Shri MR. SPEAKER: The resull* of the Sen Shri Dwaipayan division is : Ayes-134 ; Noes-241. The Sequeira, Shri Erasmo De 'Noes' have it ; the 'Noes' have it. Sethi, Shri P. C. Sezhiyan, Shri The motion H as negatived. Shambhu Nath, Shri Sharma, Shri Madhoram Sharma, Shri Naval Kishore Shashi Bhushao, Shri 1930 brs. Shastri, Shri Biswanarayan Shutri, Shri Raghuvir Siogh STATEMENT RE : DR. DHARMA TEJA Shastri, Shri Ramavatar Shastri, Shri Ramanand THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN· Shaltri, Shri Sheopujan TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING & Sher Siogh, Sbri TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHlT RAMAIAH); Shiode, Shri Aonasahib Sir, this afternoon Dr. Ram Subball Singh Shiv Chaodika Prasad, Shri alleged that certain papers relating to Shukla, Shri S. N. Dharma Toja were destroyed. Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan Siddayya, Shri DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH (Buxar): Siddheshwar Prasad, Shrl They have all been destroyed, Singh, Shri D. V. Sinha, Shri Mudrika SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH : I would Sioha, Shri R. K. like to deoy Ihis allegation. There Is abso· Sinha, Shrl Satya Narayan lutely no truth in it. The papers arc in Sivasankaran, Shri proper custody and there is no II uth wbat- Sotak, Shrl Nar Deo Boever in this allcBalion. .... _._._------*The followiol Memben also recorded their voles :

    AYES: Sarvasbri Ram Sewak YadKv, Bcni Shankar Sharma and Sbrimati Tarkcabwari Sinba ;

    NOES: Sarvubri Muhammad Sheriff aDd Ramachandra J. Amin. lSI Re. Dr. Dharma TeJa SRAVANA 7, 1892 (SAKAl ~ Dr. Aharma TeJa 3SZ (St.) (St.) DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: I cballc- 19.33 brs. nge it. Th(y have all been destroyed ...... (Interruption). The Lok Sabha then adjourned /111 Elept:II of 1M Clock 011 Thursday, July 30, 19701 MR. PEAKER : The House stands Sravana 8, /891 (Saka). adjourncd till I I A. M. tomorrow.

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