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CANADA 2nd SESSION 35th PARLIAMENT VOLUME 136 NUMBER 65 OFFICIAL REPORT (HANSARD) Wednesday, December 18, 1996 THE HONOURABLE GILDAS L. MOLGAT SPEAKER CONTENTS (Daily index of proceedings appears at back of this issue.) Debates: Victoria Building, Room 407, Tel. 996-0397 Published by the Senate Available from Canada Communication Group — Publishing, Public Works and Government Services Canada, Ottawa K1A 0S9, at $1.75 per copy or $158 per year. Also available on the Internet: http://www.parl.gc.ca 1424 THE SENATE Wednesday, December 18, 1996 The Senate met at 1:30 p.m., the Speaker in the Chair. present state of the financial system in Canada, now presents an interim report entitled Joint and Several Prayers. Liability and Professional Defendants. [Translation] Respectfully submitted, MICHAEL KIRBY SENATOR’S STATEMENT Chairman THE HONOURABLE JEAN B. FOREST The Hon. the Speaker: Honourable senators, when shall this report be taken into consideration? CONGRATULATIONS ON CELEBRATION OF FIFTIETH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY On motion of Senator Kirby, report placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting of the Senate. Hon. Marcel Prud’homme: Honourable senators, there are sad occasions in our lives, and there are very happy ones. On this (1340) last sitting day of the year, I believe that all honourable senators will join me in wishing all the best to a colleague who — I have just been told — will celebrate her fiftieth wedding anniversary this weekend. QUESTION PERIOD [English] TRANSPORT If I am right, honourable senators, this weekend Senator Forest will celebrate her 50th wedding anniversary. I know that all PEARSON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT—LEASE TO GREATER honourable senators will want to congratulate her and wish her TORONTO AIRPORTS AUTHORITY—ACCURACY OF NEWS RELEASE the very best. REGARDING PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS WITH PRIVATE CONSORTIUM—ACCURACY OF INFORMATION CONTAINED IN DELAYED ANSWER—GOVERNMENT POSITION Hon. John Lynch-Staunton (Leader of the Opposition): ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Honourable senators, earlier this month I asked the Leader of the Government in the Senate to explain how the government, in a STATE OF FINANCIAL SYSTEM press release following the transfer of Pearson airport to the Greater Toronto Airports Authority, could justify the blatant INTERIM REPORT OF BANKING, TRADE AND COMMERCE inaccuracy that the previous government was to sell Terminals 1 COMMITTEE ON STUDY PRESENTED and 2 to the private sector. We all should have known — and, no doubt, whoever wrote this press release knew it as well — that Hon. Michael Kirby, Chairman of the Standing Senate the arrangement between the previous government and the Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce, presented the consortium was a lease for two terminals for a specific period of following report: time. Wednesday, December 18, 1996 Understandably, the minister could not give a direct response on the day the question was asked. However, a few days later, the The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate delivered a Commerce has the honour to present its delayed answer to my oral question, which was reported in Hansard. ELEVENTH REPORT What troubles me is not so much the answer itself as the nature Your Committee, which was authorized by the Senate on in which it is given. There are two paragraphs. The first Thursday, March 21, 1996, to examine and report upon the paragraph ends by saying: December 18, 1996 SENATE DEBATES 1425 The Senator is correct in stating that the T2/T1 deal was a GOODS AND SERVICES TAX 57-year lease and not a sale. APOLOGY OF PRIME MINISTER FOR FAILURE TO HONOUR The point of the question was not to prove me, as a senator, PRE-ELECTION PROMISE—RELIABILITY OF correct. The point of the question was to ask: How could the PROMISE—GOVERNMENT POSITION Department of Transport issue such a press release, knowing that the information it was giving was false? Second, telling me that I Hon. Ron Ghitter: Honourable senators, it is not often that I was right is not enough by itself. It is those who receive the press rise to ask questions. However, over the last few months I have release who should be told that the information given was false. seen situations that concern me. I have seen a Prime Minister I have yet to see that a corrected press release has been issued. who has waffled and been somewhat questionable in his approach to the GST and in his comments in respect to the My question to the minister is: You have admitted that you homeless; a Deputy Prime Minister who, in the last few days, has made a “mistake.” Let us leave it at that. Will you please correct waffled on numbers relative to CBC layoffs; a Minister of the mistake by issuing to those to whom you gave the wrong Defence who resigned for one reason when everyone knew the information a new press release and allowing the right real reason; and, yesterday, a Minister of Health who suggested information to be disseminated? that there is glass in our tobacco. This disdain for the facts and Hon. Joyce Fairbairn (Leader of the Government): this pattern of deception brings politicians, Parliament and our Honourable senators, I will convey my honourable colleague’s institutions into disrepute and contributes to rising cynicism. point to the Minister of Transport. Is it now acceptable for this government to deceive, Senator Lynch-Staunton: Honourable senators, this is the manipulate facts, spin out untruths and do anything at all to get minister’s own answer. “Delayed answers” are the Leader of the re-elected? Government’s answers, which cannot be given at the time the questions are asked. The Leader of the Government has an Hon. Joyce Fairbairn (Leader of the Government): impossible task, for which I do not envy her or anyone in her Absolutely not, honourable senators. position, that of taking questions on all facets of the federal government and being expected to answer those questions on the Senator Ghitter: Honourable senators, is it acceptable for the same day. When delayed answers are given, however, they are Prime Minister — instead of giving an apology to the country, as the responsibility of the minister in this house. She is party to this should be the case — to come forward and state that he was tired answer. and exhausted as the reason for his mistake? Is that what we should expect from our Prime Minister? Honourable senators, there is another part of this answer that is troubling. It ends up by stating, “the transfer of the entire airport to the GTAA,” the Greater Toronto Airports Authority. Well, “the Senator Fairbairn: Honourable senators, the Prime Minister entire airport” was not transferred to the GTAA. There is still expressed himself clearly in Newfoundland. I stand by his words, Terminal 3, which is in private hands, administered by private which included an apology and an expression that he was sorry enterprise, built by private enterprise, and the land on which it that the misunderstanding had occurred. He has spoken, as has was built by private enterprise is leased to the consortium the Minister of Finance, of the difficulties with the issue. He has responsible for its administration. spoken, as has the Minister of Finance, about the fact that we were mistaken in believing that we could solve that issue as In the minister’s answer there is not only no suggestion that quickly and in the manner in which we had desired. the press release will be corrected, but she also gives another distortion by saying that the entire airport was transferred when, We have worked very hard in the last three years to find an in fact, it was not. appropriate response, and we have begun to address the issue with the harmonization of the GST in the three Atlantic Senator Fairbairn: Honourable senators, I will take provinces. It is not what we had hoped to do, but, after careful responsibility for trying to provide accurate information to this consideration, the government concluded that it was the most house. I will revisit this matter with the department. I take appropriate action for Canada in a time when we are, and have responsibility for what has been transmitted through me to the been, having extreme difficulty with our fiscal situation. The Leader of the Opposition, and I will follow up on my honourable study by the House of Commons Finance Committee came to the friend’s comments and send him what clarifications exist. same conclusion. 1426 SENATE DEBATES December 18, 1996 ACCURACY OF HOUSE OF COMMONS HANSARD— Senator Fairbairn: My friend may have tapes, and Hansard GOVERNMENT POSITION may say something else. The Prime Minister will stand by his words. Hon. Ron Ghitter: Honourable senators, I have another somewhat related question: Is it the policy of government to Senator Lynch-Staunton: Which ones? doctor the House of Commons debates in order to make the Prime Minister look better in the comments he makes to the Senator Ghitter: Which words? Who are we to believe? House? Is that the policy of the government? Senator Fairbairn: Obviously, the words that he uttered. Senator Gigantès: Do you think Mulroney is still Prime Minister? Senator Ghitter: Which words should Canadians believe? Senator Ghitter: I refer to Hansard of December 12, 1996. (1350) The question by Mr. Manning to the Prime Minister was as The Hon. the Speaker: Honourable senators, I should like to follows: remind you of rule 46, which prohibits us quoting from speeches made in the other place in the current session. Mr. Speaker, if the Prime Minister is not afraid to attend town hall meetings, will he assure the House and all Senator Ghitter: Honourable senators, may I have the Canadians that he will not retreat back into his bubble, that consent of the chamber to table this tape? he will present himself at more town hall meetings and public forums where Canadian voters can hold him Some Hon.