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HRG. 107–3 H.R. 5005, THE HOMELAND SECURITY ACT OF 2002, DAY 3 HEARING BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION ON H.R. 5005, THE HOMELAND SECURITY ACT OF 2002, DAY 3 July 17, 2002 Serial No. 107–3 Printed for the use of the Select Committee on Homeland Security ( H.R. 5005, THE HOMELAND SECURITY ACT OF 2002, DAY 3 H.R. 5005, THE HOMELAND SECURITY ACT OF 2002, DAY 3 HEARING BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION JULY 17, 2002 Serial No. 107–3 Printed for the use of the Select Committee on Homeland Security ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 83–173 PDF WASHINGTON : 2004 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402–0001 SELECT COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY RICHARD K. ARMEY, Texas, Chairman TOM DELAY, Texas NANCY PELOSI, California J. C. WATTS, JR., Oklahoma MARTIN FROST, Texas DEBORAH PRYCE, Ohio ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey ROB PORTMAN, Ohio ROSA L. DELAURO, Connecticut (II) C O N T E N T S Page Testimony of: The Honorable C.W. Bill Young, Chairman, Committee on Appropria- tions ................................................................................................................ 7 The Honorable David R. Obey, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Appropriations ......................................................................................... 11 The Honorable Ike Skelton, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Armed Services ............................................................................................. 45 The Honorable W.J. (Billy) Tauzin, Chairman, Committee on Energy and Commerce ............................................................................................... 54 The Honorable John D. Dingell, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Energy and Commerce ............................................................................ 60 The Honorable Dan Burton, Chairman, Committee on Government Re- form ................................................................................................................ 70 The Honorable Henry A. Waxman, Ranking Minority Member, Com- mittee on Government Reform ..................................................................... 75 The Honorable Porter J. Goss, Chairman, Permanant Select Committee on Intelligence ............................................................................................... 125 The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Ranking Minority Member, Permanant Se- lect Committee on Intelligence .................................................................... 130 The Honorable Henry Hyde, Chairman, Committee on International Rela- tions ................................................................................................................ 116 The Honorable Tom Lantos, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on International Relations ................................................................................ 117 The Honorable Sherwood L. Boehlert, Chairman, Committee on Science .. 141 The Honorable Ralph M. Hall, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Science ...................................................................................................... 145 The Honorable Don Young, Chairman, Committee on Transportation and Infrastucture ................................................................................................. 169 The Honorable James L. Oberstar, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure ......................................................... 179 The Honorable William M. Thomas, Chairman, Committee on Ways and Means ............................................................................................................. 190 The Honorable David M. Walker, Comptroller General, General Account- ing Office ........................................................................................................ 199 Material Submitted for the Record: Opening Statements of Select Committee Members ..................................... 7 Statement of the Honorable Michael G. Oxley, Chairman, Committee on Financial Services .................................................................................... 225 Appendix—Recommendations of the Standing Committees: Committee on Agriculture ............................................................................... 227 Committee on Appropriations .......................................................................... 239 Committee on Armed Services ........................................................................ 249 Committee on Energy and Commerce ............................................................ 269 Committee on Financial Services .................................................................... 297 Committee on Government Reform ................................................................. 303 Permanant Select Committee on Intelligence ................................................ 365 Committee on International Relations ........................................................... 371 Committee on the Judiciary ............................................................................ 378 Committee on Science ...................................................................................... 427 Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure ......................................... 454 Committee on Ways and Means ...................................................................... 481 (III) H.R. 5005, THE HOMELAND SECURITY ACT OF 2002, DAY 3 WEDNESDAY, JULY 17, 2002 U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SELECT COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY, Washington, DC. The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:47 a.m., in Room 345, Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Richard K. Armey [chairman of the committee] presiding. Present: Representatives Armey, DeLay, Watts, Pryce, Portman, Pelosi, Frost, Menendez, and DeLauro. Chairman ARMEY. The select committee will come to order. The Chair is advised that Chairman Young is on the way, and the Chair believes we can begin proceedings and have him join us in time for him to give his statement. Mr. Obey, we welcome you here this morning. It is the practice of this committee to have two opening statements, one on each side, and to have those remaining members on the committee place any opening statements they have in the record. So, without objec- tion, we will place all the opening statements in the record, and the Chair will recognize the gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Portman, for a brief opening statement. Mr. PORTMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the shock of the September 11 attacks in New York and Pennsylvania and here at the Pentagon is still very much with us. In a single morning, 19 men bent on terror and destruction killed more inno- cent United States civilians than did all our previous foreign en- emies combined. The grief of that sudden loss was overwhelming, and part of what prevents that national grief from healing is the reality that that threat is still very much with us. We are here today to do whatever we possibly can to counter that threat and to avoid more loss of innocent life. Our Federal Govern- ment and we as Members of Congress have no greater responsi- bility. The major problem I see with our current system of home- land security is that it is uncoordinated and spread too thin. Every- one is in charge, and no one is in charge. There is no accountability in such a system. The dangerous threat we all must now acknowledge requires new thinking and a new approach. That is laid out clearly in the Na- tional Strategy on Homeland Security we saw yesterday unveiled by the President. The strategy is the culmination of lots of work, years of thoughtful study, tracing back well before September 11. The Hart-Rudman Commission and other studies have helped us think about how government can best deploy assets to secure us (1) 2 here at home. The President’s strategy also reflects the good work of many Members of Congress. Yesterday we heard from Representatives Mac Thornberry, Jane Harman, Ellen Tauscher, and Jim Gibbons, who introduced their own legislation to create a new agency. Senator Joe Lieberman has taken the lead in the Senate. Two members of our own select com- mittee, Mr. Chairman, J.C. Watts and Bob Menendez, have both worked hard in this area, mindful of unspeakable tragedies that oc- curred so close to their own homes and so deeply affecting so many of their own constituents. Building on this good work, the President’s National Strategy lays out three strategic objectives: prevention of attacks, reducing our vulnerabilities, and minimizing damage. This strategy provides us with a clear framework to align our resources, people, and cap- ital and to align responsibility and accountability to the task of homeland security. Of course, Mr. Chairman, central to that new alignment is the creation of a new department. Putting the respon- sibility for homeland security within a single unified structure will make us more efficient and more effective against attacks. It won’t make us immune from terrorism, but it will make us safer. Over the past several weeks this Congress has acted quickly, but thoughtfully, to pass legislation