This Evening's Fire in Fuquay - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
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This Evening's Fire in Fuquay 01/01/08 77 W, 2 I - + 16 - 14
Eight-unit apartment building at 500 Ashewyck Commons Court, off Cardinal Drive, off Stewart Street. Two-story, brick/frame structure with 7,262 square-feet. Built 1996. Fuquay-Varina, Holly Springs, Fairview, and Northwest Harnett County, for starters. FV and HS aerials operating, notes the FireNews incident log. Alarm time around 7:30 p.m. The WRAL story has a slideshow with several photos. Click to enlarge the top photo below by Keith Caudill. There's also aerial footage on the WTVD site.
units on the scene were fuquay E1,E3,E4,E5,L1,R1 Holly Springs E1,E2,L1 Fairview E1,E8 and a northwest Harnett county engine. Another Northwest harnett engine covering at Fuquay Station 1. Apex E1 covering at Holly Springs Station 1. Swift Creek E3 covering at Fairview Station 1. 4447 - 01/01/08 - 09:25
EMS9, EMS14, EMS52, EMS T1, and EMS District 2 were also on scene. DJ (Email) - 01/01/08 - 11:54
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New Raleigh Investigation Unit 01/01/08 73 W, 2 I - + 19 - 14
The Raleigh Fire Department has a new investigation vehicle. This 2007 Ford F-350 was placed in service today at Station 9. It will service as the primary vehicle for Car 198. The new unit is equipped with a four-person cab, a camper shell, and a slide-out equipment/compartment tray. It was photographed at this morning's house fire on The Circle.
Are they gonna letter it anymore than it is? I can see the little emblem and the light bar, but is that all? Beach - 01/01/08 - 20:48
They still keeping the van? Jimmy - 01/04/08 - 07:18
There are no plans to letter the vehicle any further. Unlike most of the fire department vehicles, the intend is to NOT be flashy with decals and striping. The reasoning behind this is prevent suspects or witnesses from fleeing a fire scene upon the arrival of an investigator. This is similar to why police detectives and ATF arson investigators utilize unmarked vehicles.
The van has been gutted and will probably be used by Services. RFD574 - 01/04/08 - 11:03
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Versus putting pictures of it on the internet? Hahahahaha…... Silver - 01/04/08 - 11:21
And a big red light bar on top….very discreet [MTH] - 01/04/08 - 13:16
MTH, you are missing the point…it is not about being discreet. There would already be many fire trucks on the scene whenever an investigator arrives, so being discreet would be out of the question. The intent is to merely avoid advertising the arrival of investigators in hopes of not running off any potential witnesses.
The only reason the lighting was installed was to provide investigators the ability to respond in a timely manner. Have you ever tried to go from Station 20 to Station 28 at 5pm? RFD574 - 01/04/08 - 14:11
Acutally, I used to run light bars on my vehicles from the time I became a fireman in 1980 up until 1999 and then I found that the effectiveness of disguised strobes and leds worked just as well when placed correctly. I drive a similar vehicle to the one pictured and as those that know we will attest, I can go anywhere I need to go and the public is well aware of my presence. Besides, I was not faulting the lack of lettering, my point simply was the with the bar light on, it is pretty much identifiable as a fire department vehicle anyways although I agree I probably would not plaster INVESTIGATIONS down the side….sort of like my unmarked Crown Vic…blackwalls and a couple antennas…...ah…...... yep me thinks its a police car….....bingo…. MTH (Email) - 01/04/08 - 23:57
MTH, I find your knowledge about emergency response interesting and I disagree. I have been involved in the selection of emergency equipment on our vehicles for about eight years now. As you say those that KNOW will attest our vehicles are equipped properly for there use and response. RFD457 (Email) - 01/06/08 - 21:26
Great thing about this country, everyone can express their opinions and they all do not necessarily need to be the same. [MTH] - 01/07/08 - 09:33
The van that previously served as Car 198 has been assigned to Station 8, for transporting the personnel of Engine 8, when they respond to haz-mat incidents as part of the regional response team. Legeros - 01/19/08 - 07:36
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Rockingham County Line of Duty Death 01/01/08 64 W, 1 I - + 12 - 19
The new year has started tragically as this NBC 17 story reports. Oregon Hill Volunteer Fire Department member Paul Lewis Ellington, 36, died this morning while answering a call for a trailer fire, when his personal vehicle ran off the road. Funeral arrangements are incomplete. WFMY- TV also has details. The accident occurred on Crutchfield Road near Business 29 northeast of Reidsville.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the Ellington Family. Lets all PLEASE learn from this and drive careful and wear seatbelts, even in back of an Engine company. Be Safe. Apex Batt Chief - 01/04/08 - 22:59
The same thing I posted on The Watch Desk. No judgements on anyone, just my observations over the years.
“Several items in the news (local, state, and national) related to driving that have involved emergency services folks. This stuff is totally preventable- totally.
To my firefighting brethren out there- slow down. It is not your fault the world is combustible.
For my EMS brothers and sisters- slow down. Speed is not a medical treatment at anytime. If it’s their time, then it’s their time.
And for my law enforcing cousins out there- slow down. You can’t catch the bad guys from the back of my ambulance.
Be safe. Be careful. Slow down. And buckle-up.
DJ” DJ (Email) - 01/05/08 - 09:03
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Artifact - Wake County Fire Station & Equipment Identification System 01/01/08 103 W, 2 I - + 23 - 12
Here's an interesting artifact, the original county-wide numbering system that was apparently implemented by the Wake County Firemen's Association. The document is dated April 30, 197_. Methinks the year is 1979, but others can verify. To view a longer and modern list of Wake County fire station numbers, see this list on Carolinas Fire Page. Wonder which fire stations were #1, #2, #3, #10, and #35? They're absent from the old list as well. Gone by that time was Western Boulevard Fire Department. Same for Wake Forest Fire Department #2. That's two possible candidates. Maybe Forestry was one? Maybe Raleigh Central was another??
The one on the CFP is the ‘enhanced’ version that takes into account all of the newer stations. The list as shown is from late 1979. That was the year we put ‘29’ on the sides of our helmets at Yrac. I don’t remember hearing anyone really say as to why there was no 1, 2, or 3. However, I notice that RFD, NCFS, and RDU are missing.
As I remember, Apex, Bay Leaf, Fairgrounds, Falls, F-V, Hopkins, Rolesville, Six Forks, Stoney Hill, Wake Forest, Wendell, Yrac, and Zebulon were the only ones that signed onto the idea. Cary used a modified version, dropping the ‘5’ from everything, instead going with simply ENGINE 1, ENGINE 2, TRUCK 6, and BRUSH 9.
The rescue squads were already using something similar that coincided with the numbers assigned to the towns (and Six Forks).
Great find, Mike.
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DJ (Email) - 01/01/08 - 22:14
Wonder if #35 was the Harris Plant Fire Brigade? They were tied to the county radio system, I think, as they used to participate in the monthly (?) radio checks. Legeros - 01/01/08 - 22:22
Amazing how similar some of the data is to this list we did in August of 2007:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p..
Isn’t there a Fire Commission meeting this month? At the last meeting they announced they would be working on this issue. Hope some progress has been made. harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 01/02/08 - 02:07
Looks very different from what EMS has implemented…has anyone completed the above spreadsheet out to include staff/officer positions as well for all the fire stations, both City and County? If so would they mind posting it here?
Thanks, Mike [MTH] (Email) - 01/02/08 - 15:02
How about the first LINE OF DUTY DEATH right here in little old NORTH CAROLINA. My heart felt condolences goes out to the Oregon Hill Fire Department and their Families. I hope that everyone and their families have a safe and Happy New Year. Stay fire safe and PLEASE STOP AT RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS. John johnson (Email) - 01/02/08 - 19:45
Ask silver about the Harris Plant # DJ. I am sure he knows. yosilver - 01/02/08 - 23:06
^^ also slow down and wear your seatbelts! I hate to fear that his family will not get the full amount of death benefits because he wasn’t wearing it. Let us learn from it. CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/02/08 - 23:22
It seems I can very vaguely remember hearing the Harris fire brigade talking over “Wake Fire 1”. If I had to guess, I’d say this was back in the mid-90’s, but I can’t recall the call sign they used.
If anyone has contact with Jimmy Nobles, he’d be the one to ask. Silver - 01/03/08 - 11:32
I had always heard that Raleigh was alotted number 1 Mike - 01/03/08 - 13:56
The spreadsheet that was done in August is good, but needs to be updated and put into service. With the addition of missing and new units, the system could work. NEff109 - 01/04/08 - 07:20
I think NEff needs to take advice from DJ’s post (more importantly last line of first post). It’s over and done with, we’ve discussed this time and time again, let it be….. Silver - 01/04/08 - 11:24
OK…change of pace…anyone know where I can locate one of the old Wake County Fireman’s Association decals? The ones with the maltese cross and the picture of the county borders in the middle? DJ (Email) - 01/04/08 - 12:10
Dj, I asked President Lane that question just last night. I beleive that he has the box with all of the association paraphenalia and was going to look and see. As to NEFF’s question, and not beating the dead horse (I concur), HAS anyone updated the spreadsheet and most of all, how will line officers within County departments be numbered? I am aware of how the City is doing it, ie. 101, 201, 301 for engines, 106, 1106, 2306 for ladders. [MTH] - 01/04/08 - 13:29
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If they are not a chief officer why do they need a number? Why don’t they go to the station and make sure that a staffed piece of apparatus gets out of the house? Or they could be Car whatever number. Mike - 01/04/08 - 18:23
Is this just a really bad dream that keeps replaying over and over again? Silver - 01/04/08 - 19:17
Mike – The Old ID system that you show above was done when I was an officer with the Wake Co. Firemen’s Association in the late 70’s, early 80’s. I still have the blue line copy at home. We tried to arrange departments alphabetically but also matched those departments with existing rescue squads to existing numbers. (Example, Bay Leaf traded 15 to Rolesville since Rolesville rescue was 1571.) We were trying to solve the ID problem on the radio with everybody having an engine 1. We wanted to be more specific on the fire scene. It worked but now Wake County has confused the issue again with duplicate EMS/Fire numbers. I guess we were ahead of our time. Some liked it, some didn’t. What has changed? Hal Atkinson (Email) - 01/15/08 - 15:54
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Battle of the Badges Charity Hockey Game, January 13, 5:00 p.m. 01/02/08 98 W, 2 I - + 15 - 11
News release. The Second Annual "Battle of the Badges" charity hockey game between Leatherheads (fire) and Blueliner (police) hockey clubs takes place on January 13, 2008, from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m., at the RBC Center. The event is free to the public, though donations will be accepted. Last year, nearly 1,100 people attended and almost $8,600 was raised for charity. This year's proceeds will be donated to the UNC Burn Center for Children and the 200 Club of Wake County. Read this PDF flyer for more information .
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FireNews Hot Shot from Concord 01/05/08 43 W, 1 I - + 9 - 14
The latest FireNews update features some strong photos, including this image of a gutted church in Concord. Jennifer Simpson, CFD PIO, submitted same. Click to see original size. The Independent Tribune has this story and a morning-after photo.
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Kitchen Improvements at Station 3 01/05/08 90 W, 1 I - + 15 - 11
The kitchen at Raleigh Fire Station 3 has been upgraded. The cabinets were painted, and received new hardware. A new sink, counter, and floor has been installed. Station "A" provided the labor, and the city provided the materials. Captain Robbie Braxton functioned as project supervisor. Work started late last year, and is nearly finished. Some cosmetic touches remain, such as trim work. Station 3 is the second oldest fire station in the city, and one of only three equipped with fire poles.
It’s just like the Station 8 improvements… it’s nice to see people taking pride in their stations and apparatus. The kitchen looks great, and it’s going to be very functional for them as well. EMS 7597 - 01/05/08 - 13:29
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Old Shift Calenders Wanted 01/05/08 47 W, 1 I - + 20 - 15
Looking for old shift calenders, such as the pocket-sized versions shown here. Have a couple years, 2007, 2005, 2003, 2001, 1996. Seeking other years, going as far back as anyone can find. All will be scanned and archived on the history pages. Mail Mike if you can help.
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This Morning's Fire 01/06/08 102 W, 1 I - + 15 - 12
Commercial structure at 3008 Highway 70 west near the county line. Adult entertainment establishment, not occupied. Single-story, 3,859 square-feet, built 1975. Heavy smoke on arrival of Garner Fire Department. Eastern Wake also initially dispatched. Defensive operations after about 20 minutes. Garner Ladder 1 operating. Clayton, Wilson Mills, Archer's Lodge, and maybe one other as mutual aid, for water shuttle from hydrant about a quarter-mile east on Highway 70. Garner EMS and Wake EMS on scene. Alarm time 6:28 p.m. Controlled within two hours. One injury to firefighter, slight burn on foot. Latter reported by WRAL. Pictures and photography notes forthcoming.
Who’s yellow rescue truck? DJ (Email) - 01/06/08 - 20:26
Garner EMS old 881. The current 881 is in the shop. Legeros - 01/06/08 - 20:47
Guess I need to get out more… DJ (Email) - 01/06/08 - 21:00
Thats Garner’s back up rescue truck 882. Mike - 01/06/08 - 21:17
I have noticed several pictures with fire personnel standing between the tanker and the drop tank. I was taught when I was a volunteer (in another NC county) to step up (make sure the driver sees you) on the tailboard when the truck got close enough or stand out of the way while backing up when using the water tubes for safety reasons if something went wrong with the truck. Please don’t get caught in that spot. Just a thought to keep us safe. Thanks! fire1983 - 01/06/08 - 21:31
What’s the run down on the number of trucks that responded? car2550 - 01/06/08 - 21:51
Until someone consults CAD, this was the likely line-up for the first 90 or some minutes of the incident: Garner E1, E5 (P5?), L1, R1, Tanker 8, Car 1, Car 2, Car _, etc., Eastern Wake E1 (P1?), Tanker 3, Clayton E2, E3, E4, Car 1, Car _, Archer Lodge Tanker 1, Wilson’s Mills Tanker 1,
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Car 1, GEMS 81, 82, 882, EMS 1, D1, T1. Legeros - 01/06/08 - 22:10
Anyone know if any smooth bores were put in service? Silver - 01/06/08 - 23:30
I made an earlier comment to myself when looking at the pictures… from those alone it does not appear so. It also looks as if they had water supply issues as there were drop tanks on the ground. It also appears that they may have put some sort of a relay operation into place as well. I would be very interested to learn from what hoses were placed where and how the water supply operation went. It looks like it could be a great learning tool. CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/06/08 - 23:43
It was Clayton Car 3 and Eastern Wake PUMPER One Car 9 - 01/06/08 - 23:53
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This Afternoon's Haz-Mat 01/06/08 53 W, 1 I - + 16 - 11
Ethanol leaking from railroad car at 1500 Carson Street. Alarm time about 1:05 p.m. Leak stopped about 2:30 p.m. Units included Engine 6, Engine 8, Ladder 20, Ladder 22 operating Haz-Mat 22, Rescue 7, Battalion 1, Battalion 2, Haz-Mat 2, Haz-Mat 15, Air 8, Car 5, EMS 3, EMS District 1, EMS Truck 1. Pictures from Lee and Mike coming.
Kenly had a big and considerably dangerous-er haz-mat incident last night, gasoline leaking from storage facility. http://wral.com/news/local/story/2259882.. Legeros - 01/06/08 - 16:08
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Recruit Academy Starts Monday 01/06/08 122 W, 1 I - + 12 - 12
Raleigh Fire Department Recruit Academy #34 starts on Monday with 24 future firefighters. They'll train for six months, and graduate on July 7, 2008. During their 26-week academy, the recruits will receive certification as EMT, Firefighter I and II, and Rescue Technician VMR. They will also receive training on haz-mat operations and awareness, fireground procedures, high-rise operations, rapid intervention teams (RIT), accountability systems, safety companies, engine and ladder company operations, and firefighter safety and survival. Hiring started in the summer, and applicants underwent a process that included an agility test, a written exam, background checks, an oral interview, and a physical. Congratulations and good luck. See you on the drill pad. Photo below by Lee Wilson.
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Raleigh Mini Pumper Histories 01/07/08 458 W, 1 I - + 19 - 12
The first mini pumper, then called an "auxiliary truck" or a "squad truck" or simply a "squad," was a Dodge half-ton truck most likely of 1944 model year. Its equipment included a booster pumper, booster reel, water tank, and overhead ladder and suction hose rack. It operated from around the summer of 1944 until being destroyed in an accident with a Greyhound bus on September 12, 1947. The two firefighters operating the unit were both injured.
The second squad was a 1948 Ford F3. Purchased in FY48, it also was equipped with a booster pump, booster reel, and water tank. It also had an overhead ladder wrack. The truck was assigned two firefighters, and responded solo to small fires, and was also dispatched to all structure fires. It was housed at stations 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7 over the years. The squad was still in service into the 1970s. Don't know when it was removed from service, yet. Nor if it was staffed into its final years.
The fire department placed a brush truck in service by March 23, 1982. Called Brush 1, the 1965 International D120 was renamed Brush 3 by May 22, 1985. The light-duty truck had previous served as Foam 5, and as Maintenance 3. The unit was presumably unstaffed. Brush 3 was removed from service by August 18, 1986.
Three Chevrolet Silverado brush trucks were placed in service on August 18, 1986, at Stations 3, 9, and 17. Each was equipped with a 350 GPM pump, 200 gallon water tank, and twin booster reels. They cost $24,000 each. The unstaffed units were named Mini 3, Mini 9, and Mini 17. They were utilized for brush fires, vehicle fires in parking decks, overnight fire watch after structure fires, storm response, off-road EMS response, towing trailers, and other special duties. Mini 17 towed a confined space rescue trailer housed at Station 17 for several years.
On March 14, 1997, one of the three mini-pumpers was destroyed in an accident on Lead Mine Road. On January 25, 2006, a third mini- pumper was again placed in service. The 2005 Ford-F550 truck was equipped with a Reading body and a Slagle pump unit. It was placed in service as Mini 3, though it operated from Station 2 for several months. During that period, the foam truck had been removed from service, and reserve foam was stored on a trailer with other haz-mat supplies at Station 2.
The mini pumpers have been assigned to Stations 3, 4, 9, 17, 23, and 24. Mini 3 has operated from 1986 to present. Mini 4 operated from 2000 to 2004, and from 2007 to present. Mini 9 operated from 1986 to 1997, from 1998 to 2000, and from 2006 to 2007. Mini 17 operated from 1986 to 1998. Mini 23 operated from 2004 to 2006. Mini 24 operated in 2004, and from 2006 to present.
The specific vehicle histories go something like this:
1986 Chevy #1 (shop #001039) M3 in 1986 > M9 in 2006 > M4 in 2007
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1986 Chevy #2 (shop #001040) M17 in 1986 > M9 in 1998 > M4 in 2000 > M24 in 2004 > M23 in 2004 > M24 in 2006
1986 Chevy #3 (shop #0010__) M9 in 1986 > Wrecked 1997
2005 Ford M3 in 2006
Looking at the lower left picture of the Chevy reminds me of many of the brush trucks built on p/u trucks. So many of them were WAY overloaded! Made them real interesting to drive, too. Definitely something you did not want to get into much of a hurry with. Seems like most of them had that tell-tale ‘squat’ in the back-end. DJ (Email) - 01/08/08 - 09:50
Corrections to the above information. The in-service dates for the three Chevy mini-pumpers were staggered. Mini 17 was placed in service on May 13, 1986. Mini 3 was placed in service on August 18, 1986. Mini 9 was placed in service on April 24, 1987. Legeros - 01/12/08 - 11:31
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For the fire hobbyist who has everything, a "New York Fire Truck" that you make out of wee wooden sticks. Just don't display it too close to the fireplace! Sold by Burbank's House of Hobbies.
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Hoaah! 01/08/08 25 W - + 11 - 12
...and the newest recruits reported for duty at the Keeter Training Center on Monday. Lee Wilson shot some of their first day. 129 days remaining.
Good touch with the red lettering!! Silver - 01/08/08 - 16:39
Once again the another recruit academy starts. Here is to the growth of Raleigh Fire Department. John johnson - 01/09/08 - 17:22
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As this WRAL story reports, one of the Department of Transportation's Interstate Motorist Assistant Patrol vehicles burned on I-40 in Durham County today.
And it burned NEff109 - 01/09/08 - 10:11
bet they werent complaining about the fd blocking traffic on I40 this time…. JB - 01/11/08 - 10:05
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Old Darley Ad on eBay 01/09/08 36 W, 1 I - + 15 - 8
From a reader, here's an old magazine ad for Darley for sale on eBay. It shows pics of pumpers for Knightdale, Youngsville, and Archer Lodge, among others. Click to slightly enlarge:
Now that is old! ewfd200 (Email) - 01/09/08 - 08:37
Wonder what they ended up doing with that truck? Kdale0 - 01/09/08 - 10:11
The last time I was around there Morrisville still had their Darley of similar vinatge (one of 3 they eventually bought) in modified form. I think Archer Lodge still has theirs. Durham Highway also had one of the same vintage, very similar to the Morrisville unit.
Their were a lot of them around NC from the same era. They were good, dependable units. The Darley pump, in my experience, was one of the best- pumped a many a gallon of water through a Darley. DJ (Email) - 01/09/08 - 11:06
Dont you know? thats the NEW engine we’ve got on order! Kdale - 01/09/08 - 19:07
I wanted to buy that book off of ebay, but a certain captain, won it!! Thanks William!!!! Beach - 01/10/08 - 13:07
Ha! ewfd200 (Email) - 01/10/08 - 13:54
While out doing pre-plans today, came across an old fire truck on the side of the road. As we are riding by, I yelled at my driver to stop the truck. I am in total shock of what I have seen. It is the above truck in the picture. Youngsville Fire Department! I made a few phone calls and it appears that one of the members had seen it a couple of months ago and called about purchasing it. From what I have been told, it is not for sale. However, there is interest there, and maybe, it will be back at YFD before too long? I took some pictures and will be sending them to https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1311[10/14/2019 7:57:09 PM] Old Darley Ad on eBay - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
Mike on Tuesday. ewfd200 (Email) - 01/14/08 - 22:03
It would be interesting to see where a lot of the fire trucks from the 60s and 70s wound up. I know the Ford/ALF that Apex had was totaled, but what about DHFD #1, Yrac #1, the K-dale truck pictured in the ad, and others. Anyone got any ideas? DJ (Email) - 01/14/08 - 23:59
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Raleigh Fire Department Conducts Natural Gas Haz-Mat Training 01/10/08 151 W, 1 I - + 16 - 12
Training news. During the week of December 17, members of the Raleigh Fire Department’s hazardous materials team trained on containment and control techniques of natural gas. Morning classroom instruction was followed by a practical exercise using new clamping equipment. The new clamps can be used on gas service lines up to two-inches in diameter. The exercise was followed by an intense obstacle course, with firefighters practicing using dry-chemical extinguishers on natural gas-fed fires. Three gas-fed props were used. The quickest team to extinguish all three props with only one extinguisher was Jeff Silver (L20) and Corey McGee (E2), who finished in 13 seconds. They were closely followed by Special Operations Battalion Chief Brad Harvey and Mark Mitro (E2), who finished in 17 seconds. The classes were conducted at the PSNC training facility at 901 East Chatham Street in Cary. Photos by Jeff Silver. Click to enlarge:
Will Firefighters be using the clamps to stop gas leaks. This is something we looked into a while back and I would like to know if any FD’s are clamping gas lines Apex Batt Chief - 01/13/08 - 21:35
PSNC prefers the FD’s not clamp unless it is a dire emergency or they have a significantly delayed response. I purchased (2) tools for Raleigh FD about 3 years ago to use as a backup to PSNC. The clamps are only capable of clamping up to a 2” plastic line and their cost in 2004 was approx. $900.00 each. Give PSNC a call and discuss trainng and application opportunites. A. Rich - 01/14/08 - 00:30
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Dave Statter on Cameras and First Responders 01/10/08 133 W - + 11 - 10
Journalist and blogger Dave Statter has been offering some interesting perspectives of late on the subject of responders and cameras and the Internet. His latest column includes compelling commentary from an Assistant Content Editor at firehouse.com. How will departments deal with Internet-enabled photography? The guest columnist imagines divergent paths. Some departments "recognize their strengths, weaknesses, shortcomings and will take advantage of every opportunity a photograph or video presents in order to continually train its officers and members and build on their relation with the public." Others will "become immediate media censors, clamping down on images captured even by their own members, and decrying the invasion of the fireground by a documenting outsider." And he sees greater value in the former, than the latter. Good reading.
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Old Engine 3 01/10/08 107 W, 1 I - + 13 - 12
Here's a beautiful sight. This 1951 American LaFrance 700 Series pumper was saved from the scrap yard last year by a member of the Raleigh Fire Department. It originally served as Engine 3, then as Engine 8 (1963), Engine 14 (1974), and Reserve C (1975). The 750 GPM, 150 gallon pumper cost $19,048.94 including equipment. It was delivered with high-pressure nozzles, which were the rage then. Changed from gasoline to diesel in the 1980s, the apparatus was sold in 1986. Its present condition resulted from open-air storage in Granville County over a couple decades. The owner's plans are to be determined. Few more photos coming. Learn more about Raleigh's old engines.
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Raleigh Fire Department Promotion Ceremony 01/11/08 64 W, 1 I - + 15 - 10
Honored today at the City Council Chambers were six recently promoted members of the Raleigh Fire Department. Timothy N. Pearce, James E. Reeves, and Brian L. Sherrill were promoted to the rank of Captain. Frankie L. Beasley, Brian V. Pearce, and Jayson T. Ramsey were promoted to the rank of Lieutenant. Congratulations, all!
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CompactFlash Recovery Software 01/13/08 156 W - + 13 - 11
Here's a tip for digital cameras with CompactFlash (CF) memory cards. Recovery software, such as CardRecovery, can recover deleted photos. It can also read a seemingly corrupted card. This has happened twice to Yours Truly with high-capacity (8GB, 16GB) memory cards. For regular deleted images, the software's great if you are a fast reviewer. Myself, prior to moving files from the camera to the computer, I review the images as stored on the card. It's a fast way to cycle through them. I delete as I go, and some times delete a keeper. Enter the software. It requires a bit of time to run, but it retrieves the picture that was seemingly deleted. In the second scenario, with a corrupted card, the software will recover many but not necessarily all photos. But when shooting with a high-capacity card, with dozens or hundreds of pictures taken, recovering some is certainly better than recovering none!
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Great Web Sites and Doing 01/14/08 40 W - + 16 - 10
Forwarded from a colleague, here's an excellent perspective by Gerry McGovern on doing versus saying in the context of web sites. Simply, never tell what you web site will do, just let it do it.
Interesting read. The author makes some good points, but I think he misses a few. Websites need to be kept relative. And they need to be kept current as well as serve a purpose. This is an ongoing purpose that unfortunately few agencies follow through on.
From the view-on-the-street perspective of a street paramedic, I view a lot of different websites looking for good information that I can use. Unfortunately, there are very few sources of this content available, mostly because what is out there is out of date. To all you webmasters out there, if you have not updated it in more than a month, your stuff is pretty much obsolete and ‘old news’.
I’ll take the concept of an emergency services agency website. If you’re going to but bios up there, you need to have pictures. If you’re going to put your fleet up there, you need to put up more than a couple of pictures- provide a ‘tour’ of your trucks. Put your SOPs and protocols up, but make sure they are kept updated. Show off, make a statement.
Put good info up there. Tell people about your agency. Make the site useful and relavant. DJ (Email) - 01/20/08 - 13:23
Along those sames lines, here’s a compelling commentary on the subject of content: http://www.gerrymcgovern.com/nt/2008/nt-..
The author asks “What problem is your content seeking to solve?” What are you trying to do, when you build that web site or create that online content? Legeros - 01/24/08 - 21:00
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Wake County Fire Commission Meeting, Thursday, 1/17 01/14/08 63 W - + 23 - 9
The next Wake County Fire Commission meeting is scheduled for this Thursday, November 17, at 7:00 PM, at the Wake EMS Training Facility, located in the lower level of the Wake County Commons Building at 4011 Carya Drive. That's off Poole Road, off I-440. Drive around to the rear. Look for a large number of sport-utility vehicles with warning lights.
Mike,
I believe the correct date is January 17th. Correction - 01/15/08 - 11:15
whats on the agenda? question - 01/16/08 - 23:26
No agenda was receive in advance of the meeting, ergo no agenda was posted here.
Highlights from tonight’s meeting forthcoming. Legeros - 01/17/08 - 23:20
Here are some highlights of last night’s Fire Commission meetings. Corrections and clarifications welcome.
Regular Agenda
There was a presentation on the state’s Domestic Preparedness and Readiness Regions (DPRR). These are new entities, created at the request of Homeland Security. Raleigh and Wake County reside in region 4, which is comprised of Wake, Chatham, Alamance, Orange, Durham, Person, Granville, Nash, Vance, and Warren Counties. There’s a core committee from Wake County participating in planning, and they represent public health, municipal police, sheriff’s department, municipal fire, rural fire, EMS, hospitals, emergency management, rescue, and public works.
A letter from the county attorney was presented, regarding facility and/or land ownership in cases where the county is investing a significant amount of money in construction or renovation of a fire station. This was an issue carried over from the last meeting, and the letter answered some questions (or at least reinforced answers given at the last meeting). The issues were raised at the prior meeting in regard to renovations of Bay Leaf Station #1.
The Facilities Committee (FC) chair presented a report containing several items, including a new plan for future fire station repairs and renovations and an update on dormitory renovations, and the impact of a recent fire code change that requires sprinklers in fire station structures.
Regarding future fire stations, two items were noted. Properties around Raynor Road are being examined for the southeastern Wake County fire station. There’s also a 4,000-home housing development planned in Wendell in five years. The FC sees a need for a fire station, or likely fire/police/EMS facility there. They recommend planning for buying land, and adding construction costs to the CIP. The station would be built in five years.
Regarding the evaluation of fire stations for closure, the FC developed a method for ranking stations. They then applied this ranking method to every county fire station. Five met their criteria to be evaluated for closure. One is already set to close, Western Wake #2. The remaining are Bay Leaf #3, Falls, New Hope #1, and Western Wake #1. The FC requested that the four be evaluated at the same time, notably because all four could be covered by Raleigh. The next step is for the county to talk to the Raleigh Fire Department, and see if they’re interested in contract coverage for one or more of the station areas.
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The Compensation Committee chair presented a report with recommendations on funding retirement, longevity, and life insurance programs, for county fire departments that contract with the county.
The Apparatus Committee chair presented a pair of policy drafts, an administrative and small vehicle replacement policy, and a vehicle disposal policy. The latter requires departments to dispose of vehicles and apparatus within specific time frames after receiving replacement vehicles.
There was a presentation on the subject of the Fire Protection Service Tax District Long-Range Business Plan. The plan consisted of a binder containing documents including facility and staff recommendations already approved by the Fire Commission, a placeholder for an updated capital expenditures model (there were additional items approved that night), the original long-range business plan, and the compensation plan adopted by the Board of Commissioners in 2003.
The presentation resulted in a colorful and lengthy discussion about next steps. Some people thought the document was ready to present to the Board of Commissioners (BOC) in their February work session, as planned. Other people thought the document was not ready for presentation, and/or that they needed more time to review the document. A motion was made to accept the document, and proceed with plans to present same to the BOC. The committee voted, and the motion was rejected. However, it was decided that a special meeting will be held next month, as a work session to address some of the issues raised about the business plan.
As the meeting entered its third hour, it was noted that monthly meetings of the Fire Commission may need to be considered, due to the number and nature of agenda items.
The meeting schedule for the 2008 calendar year was also provided. January 17, March 20, May 1, July 17, September 18, November 20. Note that in past years, the May meeting has been rescheduled to coordinate with the county budget process.
Information Agenda
There was a presentation on Fire Protective Service Tax District Debt. It contained a lot of numbers.
There was a presentation of policy documents that relate to the appointments of county boards, commissions, committees, or authorities.
The meeting concluded shortly thereafter. Legeros - 01/19/08 - 07:31
Is there a site/location that gives the criteria for ranking the county stations, and the criteria considered when being evaluated for closure? Additionally, is there information or copies of contractual agreements for coverage? Wayne (Email) - 01/20/08 - 11:04
wasnt Eastern Wake 2 on that list not too long ago? curious - 01/20/08 - 19:02
All those districts cannot be covered by Raleigh. The majority of the areas in question are non-hydranted and greater than 6 miles from another County station. The issue is more complicated than it is made out to be and requires much more research and planning. Not trying to defib the dead horse, I’m just saying it’s not as simple as the County makes it out to be. ncff - 01/21/08 - 13:10
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Tones, Glorious Tones 01/14/08 54 W - + 19 - 12
Cary dispatches a second structure fire, Swift Creek is paged as mutual aid for the first fire, and Raleigh Engine 8 is sent to a shooting. Three scanners-- yes, only three-- with three sets of tones, plus a pager beeping too. Truly a heavenly noise. Can't imagine why they annoy the wife.
You know, in my younger days I could listen to two mobile scanners, a pocket scanner, and a Minitor all going at the same time and tell you what was going on with all of them. Now, just listening to DISPATCH 1, it all runs together. But then again, back then we only had a small handful of channels to listen to- RFD, CFD, RESCOM, WC Fire 1 & 2. DJ (Email) - 01/15/08 - 00:05
We were dispatched to both fires in Cary (New Waverly Pl and Jones Franklen Rd). Actually only one fire at China Pearl on Jones Franklin Rd. It was unclear at first if there was one fire or two, so two complete and different assignments were sent.
The fire at China Pearl was a short/arcing emergency exit sign. Griggs - 01/15/08 - 11:02
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Old Youngsville Engine 01/15/08 45 W, 1 I - + 13 - 11
As noted in this thread about an old Darley ad, here's that old Youngsville engine that "ewfd200" found and photographed. Click to enlarge. Learn more about the history of the Youngsville Fire Department on their web site, and specifically their history page.
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Chief Haraway's Coming Book 01/16/08 113 W - + 18 - 5
Apex Fire Chief Mark Haraway's coming book, Large Scale Incident Management, is available for pre-ordering on Amazon.com. From the description: "The book places readers in the Incident Commander seat for the EQ chemical fires that occurred in Apex, North Carolina, in October 2006: an event that lasted three days, shut down an entire city, and displaced 17,000 citizens. Using this large-scale incident as a running example of how critical components of successful incident management are actually applied in real life, it provides detailed insight into important topics in the field." The publisher is Delmar Cengage Learning. The release date for the 288-page softcover volume is April 30, 2008. No cover image yet.
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Yearbook Ordering Deadline Extended 01/16/08 60 W, 2 I - + 14 - 12
The deadline has been extended for ordering copies of a new Raleigh Fire Department yearbook. You now have until February 1 to place an order. The cost is $50.00. The hardcover book with all-color pages will be published in the late spring. To order online, visit the publisher's web site. To order by mail, view this PDF-format flyer .
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Battle of the Badges Pictures 01/16/08 26 W, 1 I - + 14 - 15
Pictures from the Battle of the Badges 2008 charity hockey game, from a couple photographers, have been posted to this Flickr site.
Good time, let’s try to fill up the whole lower bowl next time!! Silver - 01/17/08 - 14:55
score? Andrew - 01/17/08 - 15:19
Unfortunately, the Blueliners won, 7 to 5. But, on the good side, a lot of money was raised for two worthy causes. CJS - 01/17/08 - 15:51
~$12,000 to charity!
They did have to open up extra seating as well, which is a great sign for years to come! CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/17/08 - 16:45
$12,000 compared to what amount last year? Silver - 01/17/08 - 17:00
over $8700 last year – 1100 fans – see http://firenews.net/archive_05032007.htm corner hydrant - 01/17/08 - 19:49
It was my first time attending, me and the family totally enjoyed the event. Great job done by all. Looking forward to next year. Thanks Don Gross City of Durham fire Department. jj - 01/18/08 - 10:37
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Full Airport Response in London 01/17/08 81 W, 1 I - + 12 - 12
Found on the Firehouse forums, this was the full response of the London Fire Brigade to today's incident at Heathrow Airport. Kind of interesting: 6 Pumps, 3 Rescue Co's (2 for USAR), 3 Bulk Foam Units, 1 Hose Layer, 2 Command Units, 3 USAR modules, 1 DAC Monitoring officer, 1 Borough Commander (DC) as Incident Commander, 2 Stn Commanders (BC's) Ops, 1 Stn Comm for Hazmat, 1 Stn Comm for USAR, 1 Stn Comm for Press, and 1 Stn Comm for Control Tower Liaison. 1 Asst Commissioner informed for remote monitoring.
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New Livery For Garner EMS 01/17/08 39 W, 1 I - + 16 - 11
Garner EMS has adopted a new vehicle design, the first example of which was photographed at tonight's Fire Commission Meeting. That's at 1600 ISO, with camera held very steady.
great looking set of wheels!! – the side stripe matches the exact angle of the back chevrons – would love to see the 801 on a slant or in italic corner hydrant - 01/18/08 - 00:01
Agreed Corner Hydrant, this vehicle is nice. Is that the Garner EMS patch on the rear window? Whats up with red lights on the rear? Mini Vectors? jetexas - 01/18/08 - 18:00
can’t make out the rear – would be cool to have all FD (including BC cars), EMS, USAR with similar stripes, all in their respective colors with matching chevrons – ems bicycles and other cart-type vehicles could have the matching look too – would make it easy for the public to identify emergency vehicles right away corner hydrant - 01/19/08 - 00:15
looks like an expensive paint job to me! way to go! 7driver - 01/21/08 - 04:05
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Fires at Watson's Flea Market 01/19/08 155 W, 1 I - + 17 - 10
How many fires at occurred at the location of Watson's Flea Market? Mike's history pages have two. On April 30, 1982, a feather processing plant caught fire about 5 p.m. The thick smoke was seen as far as 30 miles away. The one-story brick building burned for about an hour, but the adjacent Watson's Poultry plant was not damaged. On February 12, 1994, the Watson's Flea Market restaurant burned. Two alarms for two-story structure, with Truck 1 operating.
But were there others? Readers recently asked about this. Today, scanning a newspaper from March 1987 found another. On March 28, a warehouse building at Watson's Marketplace Place was destroyed. Two businesses were lost, and third were damaged. Five fire units took more than three hours to control the 11:30 a.m. fire. Some 2,000 people were present at the time of the fire, most at the outdoor flea market. The Raleigh Times ran this photo:
In my explorer days with RFD, I remember taking in a “Code 3” one night. It was between 1993 and 1995….. Silver - 01/19/08 - 12:37
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Extended Extrication on Six Forks Road 01/23/08 71 W, 1 I - + 13 - 16
WRAL has aerial footage of yesterday evening's MVA on Six Forks Road. Sky 5 was in the area at the time of accident. One victim required extended extrication. The incident occurred near Norwood Road just about 5:00 p.m. Six Forks EMS, Bay Leaf, and Durham Highway's rescue, if memory serves. The WakeMed air ambulance we also en route, but returned to service. Click to enlarge photo:
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27-Year Fire Department Veteran Herman Jones Dies At the Age Of 58 01/23/08 213 W, 1 I - + 15 - 10
News release. The City of Raleigh Fire Department lost one of its own on Tuesday, January 22. Lt. Herman S. Jones, a 27-year veteran of the Raleigh Fire Department, died after suffering an apparent heart attack. Lt. Jones was on duty Friday, January 18 at Fire Station 10 when he began to experience chest pains. He was transported to Wake Medical Center and then to UNC Hospital.
Lt. Jones began his service with the Raleigh Fire Department on May 5, 1980 and was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant on June 16, 2001.
Funeral arrangements will be handled by Haywood Funeral Home, 2415 South Wilmington Street. A memorial service will be held on Saturday, January 26 at Juniper Level Baptist Church, 9104 Sauls Road in Raleigh. A visitation will begin at 1 p.m. on Saturday and the service will be at 2 p.m. The burial will follow in the church cemetery.
Lt. Jones is the third firefighter to die while on duty. On April 20, 1965, Lt. Paul Mimms, 41, died of an apparent heart attack while operating a pumper at a structure fire. On March 10, 1956, Lt. Vernon Smith, 44, died from injuries suffered after his pumper overturned on November 14, 1952.
For more information contact Asst. Chief Tommie Styons, 919-831-6392.
Our #1 killer claims another Brother; R.I.P. “Herm”..... Silver - 01/23/08 - 18:18
All of the members of Raleigh Fire Department will remain in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong Luke - 01/23/08 - 18:57
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Rest in peace – from you friends and brothers at RFD Station #8A (A.Rich, S.White, G.Buxton, B.Page, K.English) RFD Station #8A - 01/23/08 - 20:05
Rest In Peace friend from Dekalb County Fire Rescue ….. Jim Kay - 01/23/08 - 21:20
Rest in Peace. From your Brothers on the North side. NH Station #1A - 01/23/08 - 23:24
Apex has your family and brother firefighters in our thoughts. God Bless you Apex Batt Chief - 01/23/08 - 23:52
May he rest in peace. Jay (Email) (Web Site) - 01/24/08 - 09:51
May he rest in peace, stay strong RFD, your in our thoughts and prayers. -Your Brothers at the Falls FFD21 - 01/25/08 - 08:27
Rest in Peace Brother – Williamsport Bureau of Fire (PA) Local 736. Kevin Breen (Email) - 01/25/08 - 13:17
To the Jones family from my family may we Honor Brother Herman, for he gave the ultimate sacrifice to the fire service and we will rejoice in his coming home to the “LORD”. To the MEN and Women of the Raleigh Fire Department our Deepest Sympathy to the Lost of of OUR BROTHER HERMAN. May “GOD” stay in our hearts at this time of sorrow. JJ - 01/25/08 - 20:08
Rest in Peace Brother, Our thoughts and prayers will be with Lt. Jones’ family and the RFD family. -DHFD C-shift- LtEng3 - 01/25/08 - 22:45
Rest in Peace Brother Jones! The thoughts and prayers of Charlotte E11 are with the family of Lt. Jones and the Brothers of the Raleigh FD. Rides An Engine - 01/27/08 - 10:48
Rest in Peace. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family now and always. Sta. 14 - 01/27/08 - 11:02
Rest in Peace Brother. Keep the faith RFD, our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Brother Jones and our brothers at RFD. – DHFD A- Shift DHFDeng1 - 01/27/08 - 13:32
Rest in Peace. Our thoughts and our prayers are with your family and the Raleigh Fire Department. -Durham Highway Fire Department “B” Shift DHFD - 01/27/08 - 16:32
Rest in peace Lt. all of our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Brother Jones and the family of RFD. DHFDVollies - 01/27/08 - 16:39
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State College Student Discovers Raleigh's Old Fire Bell 01/24/08 124 W, 1 I - + 15 - 15
Here's a great story that appeared in the North Carolina State University newspaper Technician, about Matt Robbins and his discovery of the city's old fire alarm bell atop Withers Hall. See aerial view of building and cupola. The bell was cast in 1870 and was originally housed in a clock tower at Metropolitan Hall. It served as a clock bell, and also an alarm to summon the city's volunteer firefighters. It was moved to Station 1 in 1914, and removed from there in 1938. A decade later, it ended up atop a building at the college. Great story, and even includes an appearance by Yours Truly. More information on the early fire alarm system.
Here is a better aerial pic. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp.. 2redline (Email) - 01/24/08 - 23:11
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Southern Pines Ladder 01/24/08 21 W, 1 I - + 18 - 11
Lee found this on a fire photographer's Flickr site. Southern Pines Pierce ladder. Look familiar? Click to enlarge:
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RAPS Race Remembers Herman 01/24/08 68 W, 1 I - + 20 - 13
Tonight's Raleigh Area Public Safety (RAPS) kart race was dedicated to Raleigh Fire Department Lt. Herman Jones, who died on Tuesday after suffering an apparent heart attack Friday night at Station 10. His photo was posted at the door, and each kart was labeled "Engine 10." A moment of silence was observed, and then the pipes band played "Amazing Grace."
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EMS goes AVL at RWECC 01/24/08 180 W - + 20 - 13
News release. On Wednesday at 0800 hours, dispatch of Wake County EMS System units shifted from "station-based" dispatching to "nearest- unit dispatching" based on real-time automatic vehicle location (AVL) data. This marks another step in Wake County's efforts to further improve the delivery of emergency medical services across the county. And it works! On Wednesday, EMS 10 was dispatched to a call on Sunnybrook Drive after having just cleared WakeMed, and EMS 17 was sent to cover Six Forks EMS Station 1 after having just cleared Rex. EMS 17 was then dispatched to a call on Creedmoor Road. One day earlier, those calls would have had longer response times, because further away units would have been dispatched while the others returned to their stations. The project took over two years, to develop the infrastructure (the computers, the AVL units, the wireless cards), the software (the new Premier MDC client and the CAD interfaces), and the procedures. The next step in this project will be the addition of the MARVLIS in-vehicle navigation system, to further speed Wake County medics on their way.
EMS17 went to Crabtree Valley, 4325 Glenwood Ave.
DJ EMS17 DJ (Email) - 01/24/08 - 21:59
Just out of curiosity, how will this change their “station-based” system? Is Wake EMS still working 24hr shifts? Are there plans for them to become more like my local ems provider (MEDIC) and simply bounce from ‘post’ to ‘post’ and not have a perminent station? Reason I’m asking is because it sure would suck to get an EMS call in the middle of the night and catch 2 or 3 more on the way back to your “station” because you were the closest unit in the area!!
Congrats on the new system, hopefully there aren’t too many bugs that can’t be worked out quickly. I’m sure it will assist in providing better service. Luke - 01/24/08 - 23:42
Sounds like a great system and a big congrats to EMS and everyone involved on completing and getting the system up and running. Any word or rumors about if something like this will go onto fire units??? CJ - 01/24/08 - 23:54
I bet fire units don’t because they are normally in thier own district anyway. 4447 - 01/25/08 - 07:37
Don’t know how it will affect the ‘station based’ system we have now. And yes, there are still numerous 24-hour shift units in the system; about 25 county-wide. To convert those to 12-hour units would cost the equivalent of an entire shift (it takes four sets of employees for twelve hour shifts as opposed to three sets for 24s). You do the math. With the school system here getting all of the press and constantly asking for (and getting) more money, the rest has to be shared by the sheriff, human services, Mediaid, parks, fire, and EMS. And there are proposals on the horizon to add road upkeep to counties…more money distributed out of the same limited pot. And then think of the additional vehicles that would be needed to get to a true posting system, as in Charlotte or Richmond, as opposed to what we have here now.
Posting plans? I don’t know. There may be, there may not be, depending upon who you ask. My own opinion, and my opinion only- I hope not. While there may be some merit, somewhere, in what you guys at MEDIC do (as well as Richmond and a handful of others), my bet is that the morale of the station-based services is a little better. And with paramedics seemingly hard to come by, that has to be considered. It’s always nice to have somehwere you can call ‘home’. Sure we can stop by the local fire stations, but this is their house, not yours.
As to ‘catching calls’ on the way back, that has already been addressed- no putting units out of service for a pending shift change. I am kind of curious as to how that will work after picking up one or two calls after a scheduled shift change, considering fatigue factors and all. One of the ‘bugs’ to be worked out.
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The biggest concern I heard all day (I was working on day 1) was that people were afraid of being dispatched into areas that they were not familiar with. I can relate to that, since I am familiar with Southern Wake County and EMS4’s first due. Outside of that, I’m lost.
I think, also, that there are other things that are affecting people’s opinions right now, most of which have nothing to do with actual patient care. The biggest one of those that I heard was having to buy meals (of the fast food variety) instead of healthier choices prepared at the station or brought from home.
I don’t know, we’ll see what happens. DJ (Email) - 01/25/08 - 09:03
For Luke…
Station-based dispatching means that the closest station gets dispatched, not the closest EMS unit. It has nothing to do with whether there is a building or not. And no, “streetcorner posting” is not in the cards in Wake County.
As far as the navigation thing — of course, all units have standard county map-grip mapbooks. But in a couple of months, the next phase (in- vehicle navigation) will go on line. That should help.
This was a huge effort. At the risk of leaving somebody out (apologies in advance), I’d like to thank:
The WAKE COUNTY INFORMATION SERVICES DEPARTMENT, particular Assistant Director John Higgins, who has gone above and beyond to make the “connectivity” piece of this work – a huge undertaking. Ditto to Dave Daugherty, Mike Bass, and the folks who care for and feed our laptops.
The RALEIGH-WAKE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, particularly Craig Schulz, Dustin Winkler, Judy Capparelli, and the rest of the folks who adapted quickly to a totally new way of doing buisness.
And last but not least, EMS DIVISION CHIEF Bennie Collins, our technology projects coordinator. Whatever it took, Bennie did it – even if it meant screwdrivers and hammers. “Getting the job done” was what it was all about.
Thanks, everybody.
Skip CHIEF100 (Email) - 01/25/08 - 14:39
Sorry as I am not up on the lingo, but what does “posting” mean? From what I can ascertain from the previous posts, units would simply sit on a street corner until dispatched? Is this correct, or is there more to it? confused - 01/28/08 - 16:59
Yes, posting is like not having a station to run out of like some Wake EMS units. Units in Charlotte “post up” in certain locations and then are moved around according to gaps in coverage if not on a call. Your post might be a firehouse, or maybe a shopping center. Units in Charlotte, run by “Medic”, also work 12 hour shifts if i’m not mistaken, no 24 hour buses. Silver - 01/28/08 - 18:23
Silver,
If I recall, the full timers on MEDIC work 12 hour shifts and part timers staff 24 hour trucks. Riding a 24 hour medic truck in Charlotte is terrible. We had a busy shift on the Engine after midnight the other night with 8 medicals. On half of those calls, we had a 24 hour crew respond, and on each call they were more and more irritable from being up for 24 hours. Rides an Engine - 01/28/08 - 18:31
Wow, I couldn’t imagine 24 hours on a Medic unit in Charlotte. Silver - 01/28/08 - 19:11
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lots, and even some fire stations. Also, in those systems, psoting locations change throughout the day, again, according to analysis of historical data that suggest the areas that call come in during a certain time of day.
In Wake County, our posting locations are located at or very close to fire stations. For example, HILTOP is FVFD #2, ST AUG is typically at RFD #7, etc. What makes our system function that way is the excellent relationship between the fire service and EMS. Also, we are not moving units around based on historical data, but when resources are limited (or depleted) in a specific area.
At WCEMS we have a combination of 12-hour shift units running 24 hours a day (EMS1, EMS11, and EMS13), 12-hour peak load units (EMS31, EMS32, and EMS33), as well as 24-hour shift units (EMS2, EMS3, EMS4, EMS5, EMS7, EMS8, EMS9, EMS10, EMS12, EMS14, and EMS17). The contract agencies also staff some 12 hour day units (i.e. SF EMS123 and SF EMS124).
Although I particularly prefer the 24 hour shifts, having worked them in some shape or form since 1976), they can be tough at times. And there is a lot of research data that supports emergency personnel not being on 24 hour shifts, particularly the busier units. I think the day will come that all EMS and fire personnel in our area will be on 12 hour shifts, or something similar.
I know it can be tough after the third or fourth call after midnight, and I have noticed that in my firefighters as well. DJ (Email) - 01/28/08 - 19:31
MEDIC runs shifts of ten to fourteen hours. Most trucks are on 12 hour schedules. The opinions of MEDIC personnel are mixed on the shift length issue, though I believe you’d find that most of the “veterans” don’t care for it. I believe that, on some occasions, personnel can be scheduled to work back-to-back shifts, but it’s not all that common due to the way that personnel are assigned to a given time block.
In case you don’t know, there’s no static time for shift change. Crews are almost always rotating on and off duty on a spread schedule, and crews are assigned a block of time that they generally work on. This is important because all crews start and end their shifts at Post 100, MEDIC’s HQ on Statesville Avenue. If everyone got on and off work at the same time, 100 couldn’t handle that amount of personnel movement all at once, not to mention the loss of coverage throughout the city & county.
That brings us to post assignments, the number one reason I wouldn’t work for MEDIC. There’s no place to call home. While you might get lucky and spend some time inside a fire station or hospital, it’s at best temporary, and next thing you know you might get sent to the other side of the county. attic.rat (Email) - 01/28/08 - 21:01
DJ, in reference to the 12’s you guys work, what’s the rotation? Silver - 01/28/08 - 23:40
For the trucks downtown that are staffed 24 hours, but utilize 12 hour shifts, the times are staggered-
EMS1 0600-1800; 1800-0600 EMS11 0800-2000; 2000-0800 EMS13 0700-1900; 1900-0700
‘D’ & ‘E’ shifts are assigned to the 12-hour shifts. Weekly rotation, starting on Monday, is E-E-D-D-E-E-E-D-D-E-E-D-D-D-E-E-D-D-E-E-E. Basically it is two on, two off, three on, two off, two on, three off.
Seems like the folks who are working it like it, and several others who are working 24s want to go to it. Like I said, eventually, I think we will all have to, since the call volumes keep going up. And I do not see that changing without a major change in society.
The Peak Load Units work the same days, just that they are not scheduled to be staffed for an entire 24 hours. They are-
EMS31 0900-2100 EMS32 1100-2300 EMS33 0700-1900
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Hope this makes sense. DJ (Email) - 01/29/08 - 10:01
Do the people on the 12 hour shifts rotate between day and night shifts or are they assigned days or nights?
thanks for the in site, I find it interesting to find out what other kinds of shift schedules are out there. CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/29/08 - 11:34
For what it is worth.. MEDIC did away with all their 24 hr trucks. Also, if I’m not mistaken, most of their “posts” are actual buildings. There are a few exceptions, but for the most part MEDIC will post at a Fire Station, Police Station, Rescue base, or one of their handful of MEDIC stations (back from when they ran 24 hr trucks). When I rode with MEDIC several years ago (they still had 2 or 3 24 hr trucks) we were always assigned a post, very rarely an intersection. However, if the crew needed to do something (e.g. shop, errands, etc.) then the crew would do the necessary stuff while remaining in the area of their assignment. Occasionally I’ll see a MEDIC bus around town at a gas station getting something to eat or hanging out, more than likely they are doing that out of their choice; instead of going and sitting in their assigned post.
I might have come across a bit confusing earlier, what I was referring to is… Since the units actually have an assigned base to return to, my example was reflecting what might happen when that unit attempts to return to their station from a run and keeps getting hit for other calls “on the way home.” I was under the impression that most of WCEMS units were still 24hr, in which case this might affect them more than it would a 12hr crew. This, very well, may not be an issue! Just curious, that’s all. Luke - 01/29/08 - 11:48
Right now the 12 hour folks do not rotate. For me, that would be a big factor since I have never been able to sleep much during the day, or at least until I have been without sleep for 2-3 days. Even then, never for more than an hour or two, unless I had some help from Jose or Jack.
As to getting ‘hit’ on the way back, that is a very real possibility. On day one of AVL, my unit (EMS17- Holly Springs) got tapped as we were leaving Rex for a call at Crabtree Valley. However, for the WCEMS units, we can get into any of our stations if we need supplies- we are not limited to going back to our home station. We have the supply tracking program that aloows us to keep track of this.
Hope this helps. DJ (Email) - 01/29/08 - 12:49
It seems that the areas around the hospitals are prime for getting an unexpected EMS unit to your call.
So with that being said, is it the policy system wide to mark back in service as soon as you clear the hospital?
I have heard about some strange units running calls in areas near the local hospitals, I guess you never know who you’ll get anymore! Somebody was telling me about a Holly Springs or maybe Apex unit running a call near Wake Med a few days ago after they had cleared. But I guess with move-ups and key coverage areas being done automatically then the system has truely turned into a closest unit system. It seems like borders and districts really have disappeared…. at least on the EMS side of things. CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/29/08 - 14:14
Areas around EDs would be prime, as well as the trip back, depending upon where you transport to. If EMS17 goes to WakeMed Cary, then the chances of getting ‘tagged’ are not as great, as say, comgin back from WakeMed Raleigh. And yes, it is county wide policy to check back available when you leave the ED. Of course, we still have to work out some bugs when leaving Duke/Durham or UNC, or any of the other out- of-county EDs. Seems like I heard Apex get tagged just as they were leaving Duke the other morning.
It has, for the most part, eliminated borders, as it was in the old days, when heaven forbid you answer a call in a neighboring district. I would, however, like to see it go the next level. There are going to be times that a Durham, Harnett, or Johnston County unit is closer than any Wake County unit, and I would like to see that unit dispatched. Maybe sometime in the future.
We’ve had some pretty strange dispatches over the past couple of years, with a Cary unit being dispatched to downtown Raleigh, for example. And District 5 is dispatched anywhere from Apex to Six Forks, and Morrisville to NC State.
It’s a change, and changes come hard at times. But, in the grand scheme of things, we are providing better (and more timely) care to the
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public. And that is all that matters. DJ (Email) - 01/29/08 - 15:07
DJ, RPD is actually changing to that same schedule, also known as the “Pittman”. It gives you every other weekend off and it’s a 3-day weekend at that!!
Shev, what’s the plans for the old Carpenter firehouse? At one time I believe Cary was going to stick a medic unit in it. It looks so sad whenever I drive by it…. Silver - 01/29/08 - 18:31
no idea… Cary EMS will be putting a EMS unit at Firehouse 5 within a month or so, if it hasn’t already been put there. CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/29/08 - 19:20
As an update to that Cary EMS 52 moved to Cary Firehouse 5 on Monday Jan 28th. CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/30/08 - 13:30
Dale, You said you would like to see other counties respond as closest unit in Wake Co. Do other counties, surrounding Wake, already have AVL? What about different protocals with out of counties units? LtEng3 - 02/04/08 - 18:42
To my knowledge, no other county around uses AVL. And yes, their protocols are different. However, I know of occasions when a unit is responding to, say, the vicinity of the Wake Harnett line. No one has had a chance to get into position, and a call goes out. I am on EMS9 responding from WakeMed Cary, and I am the closest unit. Wouldn’t be beneficial to hte PATIENT to see if Harnett MEDIC 9 (at Angier) is available and can respond?
I can see the same situation with a call around RDU with a Durham unit, or in the New Hill area, with a Chatham unit that is based in Moncure. DJ (Email) - 02/04/08 - 19:52
I heard the old Carpenter station already met the bulldozer… Olson - 02/04/08 - 23:33
Even with all ems units in service, there are areas inside the county that an “out of county” unit would be closer even with the Wake County EMS unit sitting inside the station. 299joker - 02/05/08 - 00:05
As an add to “299joker”, there is already an area above Falls Lake, north of NC 98 and west of NC 50, that has Granville EMS as the first due, due to the inability to get a Wake EMS System truck there in under the response guidelines. And for years, the old Zebulon Rescue ran calls in Franklin, Nash, and Johnston counties, as well as their inside Wake County areas.
This comment has gotten me in trouble in the past, but I’ll say it again… Closest unit should be just that – the closest unit available to take the call. I’m sorry, but if I’m leaving the downtown fuel pumps on Harrington St, and a call goes out for a code, or a stroke, or a heart attack, at 509 Glenwood Ave, as much as I detest that place, I should be the one to go, because time is everything in those situations. Even for a fall, which could be as minor as picking up Mrs. Smith off of the floor and re-adjusting the rug that she slipped on or as major as some head and back trauma, the closest unit should go.
Now, the flip side of this is – if you respond to a closest unit call out of your primary response area, someone should be moved up closer to it. That is what prudence suggests. Mrs. Johnson, who has a Willow Springs address and lives in a mobile home in the woods, has the same rights as Mrs. Smith, who lives who lives up on Norwood Road, or in Wakefield, or in Olde Raleigh, in a multi-million dollar mansion. The standard of care and response whould not be any different because of their socio-economic or geographical differences.
Do I see AVL for surrounding counties in the future? Yes. The order will probably be Durham first, then Johnston. Nash County already has a form of AVL on their trucks, and they just need to activate all the features of it. Harnett County has a good director in place, and he has a lot of great ideas for their system. Chatham and Lee are a little behind in the learning curve. Franklin is behind them a good ways, and Granville rounds out the bottom (they are the only county out of all those that surround Wake that DOES NOT do EMD on a 911 call). But, there are grants available, as well as federal funds for this purpose in place (I believe, if I read a recent article right). IF we all work together, personnel
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and management, as well as cross the county line and help out our neighbors, there is a potential for this region to be one of the best EMS areas in the country, and I look forward to the day where it doesn’t matter what truck shows up at my house, because I will know that the closest available unit came, whether it be from Harnett or Granville or Wake or Durham County. EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/05/08 - 00:52
More food for thought.
Reference out of county units – yes, some of those stations are closer to some areas in Wake County than the nearest Wake County unit – IF, and it’s a big if, there is a unit in the station. And of course nobody in Wake County knows that. And it takes time to place a phone call, sort it out, and make a decision. That is often enough to make up for the greater distance that the Wake County unit has to travel.
So, what can be done. Well, our telecommunicators have maps and AVL information. We have identified dispatch “beats” where other county units might be closer. So – start the Wake County unit, call the other county, start their unit, and then sort it out (start now…in the best interest of the patient). As a second decision-making layer, if the local Wake County unit is out, and a second-due or later unit is coming, they are authorized and encouraged to pick up the microphone and ask that a unit from another county be dispatched as well.
Then, there is the standard of care. We have already dealt with one group of citizens that have said “Hey – we want Wake County EMS, not some other county that doesn’t have 12 leads, ICE, and CPAP!” Who’s to say who is right?
Good discussion.
Skip CHIEF 100 (Email) (Web Site) - 02/05/08 - 10:14
To CHIEF 100. You’re absolutely right. On all points, including the standard of care. But, consider the following: In an emergency, any unit is better than no unit for any period of time; and also, that is why ALS intercepts are common from out-of-county units coming into Wake County.
And I think that the requesting an out-of-county unit when they are closer is an under-utilized component of our system… however, the reverse is also true, and when there are areas in other counties (bordering) that have extended response from their units, that the reverse should also be true – they can call for a Wake EMS System truck, in the best interest of patient care. I know that Johnston County uses this a lot, and I wish other areas would use it too. EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/05/08 - 10:33
To Olson- I was by out that way last week and the old Carpenter station was still standing. Of course, that WAS last Wednesday. I haven’t been by there since then. Now the really SAD day will be if Western Wake #2 (the old YRAC station) ever meets the bulldozer. If so, I will have bricks from it. Actually, I would really like to get the Sireno siren up top, as well.
To 299joker- You are right. The same thing holds true for fire units, as well. Every time I respond to the WalMart at 10500 Glenwood, Bethesda smokes everyone in getting there (RFD E24, DHFD, and EMS123). Maybe one day some imaginary line on a map will not matter when it comes to who helps who.
To EMS100- Good point about out-of-county units. I thought about the Chatham County unit after-the-fact Friday, and the extra set of hands would have been nice, but you are right, there are hurdles to jump in getting out-of-county units. And then, in the case of Chatham County, they are still on VHF-hi, and at least 3 years ago, they were limited in their channel availability. It would have been hard to communicate with them.
To Mike- You may want to just move the rest of this over to The Watch Desk. But in the words of my late father “Some people just have to be told”.
To EMS7597- “as much as I detest that place”. “Detest’? I hate it when fellow EMS people ‘detest’ responding to a particular location (there are places that are not my favorite- usually patient specific, not a ‘group’ of people. But would they know the difference based upon the way I treat them? Hardly). Do you ‘detest’ 509 Glenwood because most of the residents are older? If so, think about it- that is your destiny. You are in the process of growing older. Maybe the local EMS personnel will not detest responding to your home/facility/whatever when you are in your 60s, 70s, 80, or, if you are fortunate, in your 90s. Maybe you’ll even be able to work things out and have family members who will have the time to look after you. Maybe they will take care of you and not call 9-1-1 everytime you have a fever, can’t pee, or whatever. https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1332[10/14/2019 7:58:28 PM] EMS goes AVL at RWECC - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
Or maybe the reason you ‘detest’ 509 Glenwood Ave is because most of the residents are ‘less affluent’ than you are (I know a lot of us EMS folks are getting rich)? If you are like most of us in EMS, you are probably just a few paychecks from being in their shoes.
I dare say, not having met you, that the vast majority of folks who live at 509 Glenwood Ave (I spent 6 months at EMS13 so I am familiar with the place) have faced more adversity that you can imagine.
Some of you who know me know that I am an FTO with Wake County EMS (heck, maybe some of you that are reading this have even ridden with me), a job that I take very seriously. Each one of my new employees now gets a copy of “Dale’s Rules”. What they do after they leave me is on them (and in some cases, the general public), but while they are with me, Dale’s Rules are Gospel. Particularly rule #13.
Face it, 7597, the vast majority of people who call us are old, poor, or old and poor. It’s a fact. And it is going to become more so in the future (it’s that aging thing that has us all). If you ‘detest’ going to 509 Glenwood Ave, I can only imagine your feelings about 1437 Aversboro, 1420 S Wilmington St, 616 Wade Ave, 3101 Duraleigh Rd, 801 Dixie Tr, or anyone one of a whole host of others within our county. And if you ‘detest’ something long enough, heaven forbid that it ever makes it’s way into the way you treat people/ patients.
If you truly ‘detest’ responding to anywhere, then maybe you should reassess what you are doing and why you are doing it. DJ (Email) - 02/05/08 - 11:11
To DJ – My simple explanation for detesting 509 Glenwood Avenue is: It’s not the people… as I said, I have been to several calls to pick up Mrs. Smith (name changed) off of the floor out there, and she is a lovely woman who tells wonderful stories about how things used to be. My reasons for not liking that location have to do with the physical specifications of the building and its condition, not the residents. I have spent an extrordinary amount of time at all of the locations you have listed, with the exception of 1420 S. Wilmington St, and have found the people there, patients and providers, to be mostly good people with good hearts, with a few bad experiences sprinkled in over 5 years. (And, for the record, as far as affluence goes, a happy heart maketh for a cheerful countenance, and money doesn’t have squat to do with it. I have had more enjoyable experiences picking up those of the population who couldn’t rub two nickels together than I have picking up people out of McMansions. Money doesn’t buy happiness… or manners, as the case truly is.)
You mention 1420 S. Wilmington St. – while I have not had the privilege of going there, I am reminded of my uncle, who was just recently in the same spot that a lot of those people are. And I would have no problem whatsoever going down there and picking up any patient who requests my help. As an instructor of mine once said, “Most of the people you will see are the poor, the downtrodden, and the ailing. But you can turn their day around 100% just by a kind word and a good attitude.” And to quote another one… “I have no problem helping out the poor and homeless. If I help their day get better, then I have done the job that the public trusts me to do.”
I will help anyone that picks up the phone to say they need help, and have a smile on my face while doing it.
(Okay, I’m sorry to jump on my high horse for a minute, but I need to clear the air)
And DJ, if you could e-mail me a copy of your rules… I seem to have lost the ones I printed from this blog a while ago. EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/05/08 - 13:02
“detest (de·test) di-ˈtest, dē-1: to feel intense and often violent antipathy toward; loathe. 2:(obsolete : curse, denounce”
OK…probably a bad choice of word. If you’re like me, a lot of those words that sounded good at the time, were, well…
Unfortuantely, there are those amongst us that would feel all too comfortable using that word to describe their feelings towards certain locations, or even groups of people, hence the bristled response. Fortunately for them, they do not work for me. How about we agree that 509 Glenwood Ave was not designed with ambulances and cots in mind, and that it is an overly challenging location at times (and also, unfortunately, some EMSers will hold the building design’s shortcomings against the residents). Sound about right? Just like the rooms at any SNF that have way too much furniture in them. Or maybe the ED rooms that have way too much stuff in them as well (bed, four chairs, table, trash can, linen hamper, etc).
I tell my trainees that old folks can tell some of the most facinating stories. Things like eyewitness accounts to a lot of things that we have maybe only read about (maybe)- taking the train to Raleigh (from Selma), the first jet that ever landed at RDU, or back when US 401 south was called US 15-A. The B52 with nuclear warheads on board that crashed near Faro, NC. WRAL and WTVD first going on the air. https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1332[10/14/2019 7:58:28 PM] EMS goes AVL at RWECC - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
And for the 21 (wait, 23 now) people that have emailed me for “Dale’s Rules”, the updated version is on my computer at work, where I will be tomorrow. Copies are going out on request. However, #13 is on my laptop, and I have had several requests. So-
“13. Be nice to old people. Treat them with the respect they have earned. These are the folks who survived the Great Depression, fought in places like Normandy, the Coral Sea (you get extra credit if you know the relationship between the Lexington, Dauntlesses, and the Shoho- could be good for a ‘7’ rating on a DOR), and “Frozen Chosin”. They lived under the threat of nuclear annihilation during the Cold War and survived in places like Dachau or Treblinka. They did not have DVDs, microwave ovens, FM radio, cable TV, or air conditioning. Many of them did not even have telephones in their homes when they were growing up, let alone cell phones. They worked on farms without a lot of technology or migrant workers to help them (they had brothers, sisters, and children for that). They have faced more adversity during their life than you can dream of. They are mothers, fathers, grandmothers, and grandfathers. Be nice to them. Be polite to them. Take care of them just as you would want your mother or father taken care of (or at least the way I expect my mother to be treated). And do not call them ‘sweetie’, ‘darling’, etc.- you have not earned the right. “Sir” or “Ma’am” will do. And do not call them by their first name, unless you insert ‘Mister’ or ‘Miss’ in front of it (it is a Southern thing). That is disrespectful (use of ‘sweetie’, ‘darling’, or honey, or calling an elderly adult by their first name is good for at least two ‘1’ ratings on a DOR).” DJ (Email) - 02/05/08 - 13:36
Olson, no it hasn’t. Just passed it today, I live out there. Silver - 02/05/08 - 14:32
DJ, I’ll be happy to admit that at 0052 in the morning, when I don’t sleep very much as it is, words sometimes confuse the living crud out of me, and “detest” wasn’t the best word. I’ll agree that 509 Glenwood Ave was not designed with the best of intentions, but what buildings are? Too many times, I’ve had to go down hallways that were just narrow enough for me, and not my equipment, and go into rooms to pick up patients, needing to move furniture to get the patient the care they need, and had family (or God forbid, the staff) yell at me about moving the stuff.
And just to let you know: The USS Lexington (CV-2) was the sister ship to the USS Saratoga (CV-3), and were the US Navy’s second and third aircraft carriers (the Langley was the first). The Dauntless was a dive bomber that was the standard Navy dive bomber assigned to carrier operations. The Shoho was a Japanese light aircraft carrier, and was the first aircraft carrier that the US sunk in World War II (by a squadron of Dauntless dive bombers from the ‘Lady Lex’). From the battle came the famous transmission, “Scratch one flattop.” The Lexington was later damaged in the battle and had to be abandoned. She was sunk by torpedoes from a US cruiser because her damage was so great that she couldn’t maintain steerage and was too heavy to be towed by the ships in the battle group.
(I’m a student of military history, specifically naval history… has something to do with all those servicemen in my bloodline.) EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/06/08 - 03:08
Excellent- the reason that the Lexington (CV-2) is important to me is that my father was in one of those SBDs when they sank the Shoho. He was assigned to flight school afterward, and flew SBDs and SB2Cs during the rest of the war. I only learned about this just before he died in 2006. OK, enough military history. But I use that as an exercise to get my trainees to learn a little bit about some of the folks they are caring for- most of them have no idea about all of this stuff.
And oh yes, so many buildings are never designed for our stuff. And why are buildings that house the elderly not designed to accomodate ambulance cots in the elevators? Or why do they not have wide doors…
Which makes me wonder why we have to carry equipment that is too big. I can get a very good, self contained SPO2 unit that will fit on my fingertip, so why don’t we have a full feature defib unit that is the size of an AED? Which then causes you to ask why we do not have a device that converts from all-level cot to stair chair? I can go on. But I guess we have the equipment and conditions we deserve, since we as a group (EMS in general) can’t stick together and push for things that benefit us.
And at 0052 in the morning I usually am not thinking about words. If I am up at 0052, it’s usually because of some major malady such as the baby’s (not mine) crying and won’t stop and the pediatrician said call 9-1-1, grandpa hasn’t been able to pee all day and the doctor said call 9- 1-1, the four year old has a fever of 99.1 and the pediatrician said call 9-1-1, the 45 y/o male has been aching all over for 24 hours and has been vomiting and had diarrhea (like everyone else in his household) and the doctor said call 9-1-1, and…well…such is the life of a paramedic in the age of learned helplessness.
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So you smile and say “Oh my goodness. That’s not good. Which hospital would you like to go to?”
Of course, I did tell my mother once I should sue her and my father for child abuse. Rather annoyed, she asked me why. I reminded her of the time on a Saturday morning when I was 6 years old that a rock flew out from under the lawnmower (no protective devices to prevent that from happening) and struck me just above the left ear, opening a rather large hole for blood to flow. As I sat there at the kitchen table holding a towel to my head, she called the doctor’s office, waited for him to call back, then loaded me up in the car (a 1955 Pontiac so there were no seat belts) and drove me to the office, where he proceeded to put 12 stitches in my head. Of course, while I was patiently holding the towel to my head, my father came inside and said something about “stop that *#@! crying”. OF course she asked me what my point was, and I told her she ‘endagered my welfare and damaged my self esteem by not call the local rescue squad (pre 9-1-1) and having me rushed to the local hospital’. I won’t say what she told me.
OK…enough rambling and stuff. Ya’ll have a great day out there… DJ (Email) - 02/06/08 - 09:59
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Public Safety DepartmentParticipation in Lt. Herman Jones Funeral 01/25/08 219 W - + 16 - 17
News release. The Raleigh Fire Department would like to express our gratitude at the outpouring of sympathy that our department has received following the death of Lt. Herman Jones.
Processional Escort for Hearse
We invite the participate of any apparatus from Wake County public safety agencies. Personnel who wish to place apparatus in the processional are requested to stage at Keeter Training Center at 105 Keeter Center Drive, Raleigh, on Saturday, January 26 at 10 a.m.
For questions about the processional escort, please contact Assistant Chief Larry Stanford at 919-796-7011.
. Walk of Honor
Any Public Safety Officers, from both Wake County and other locations, that would like to participate in the Walk of Honor at the Church should arrive no later than 11:45 a.m. on Saturday morning. Chief Ed Brinson with the North Carolina Fallen Firefighters Foundation is coordinating this.
Parking
Please carpool if possible. Parking is expected to be an issue.
Funeral Arrangements
A memorial service will be held on Saturday, January 26 at Juniper Level Baptist Church, 9104 Sauls Road, Raleigh. A visitation will begin at 1:00 p.m. and the service will start at 2:00 p.m. The burial will follow in the church cemetery.
Lt. Jones is survived by his daughter, Tiffany Jones, mother Louise Jones, two brothers, and two sisters.
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New Services Truck 01/25/08 56 W, 1 I - + 15 - 13
This truck was recently seen at the Raleigh Fire Department Support Services Center. The Ford F-250 cargo truck replaces a prior cargo van, and will be used to transport station supplies. The chassis looks suspiciously like old Car 48, a 1990 Ford/Omaha utility truck that the shop used.
Another beautiful addition to the Services fleet! Earl Scheib - 01/28/08 - 13:56
It’s great to see that they’re refurbing some equipment for better use. Though it wasn’t being used as a mobile service vehicle anymore (due to the new service vehicle, which is also a refurb), there wasn’t anything wrong with the chassis. Rather than spending Lord knows how much on a new box truck, they dropped just a fraction of that for the same thing. Good thinking!!
Hopefully the money saved can be put into manpower, and/or overtime to help supplement manpower for “the line”. Ya’ know, it’s unfortunate; excellent, practical ideas like this and many others in recent past seem to end up hurting you(us) in the long run. The ones’ that control the purse strings (not FD) seem to take advantage of that, and allocate the money elsewhere which at one time might have been coming to the FD. If only the mindset would change to; (purse string controller speaking) “Hey, thanks for doing the right thing. We’ll give you $10,000 extra in 2 years for that new ______”.
One can dream, right? Silver - 01/28/08 - 15:03
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Web Site for Task Force 8 01/25/08 49 W - + 17 - 9
North Carolina Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) Task Force #8 has a web site, if you haven't heard. The site is located at http://www.nctf8.org/ and includes a short history of the team, and links to both weather information and other USAR sites.
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New Old Photo 01/25/08 52 W, 1 I - + 15 - 14
This vintage image recently surfaced. It shows personnel in dress uniforms, perhaps being photographed for a promotional ceremony. The image dates from between 1975 and 1979. Click to see faces and scary hairstyles enlarged. Depending upon your browser settings, you may have to click a second time to enlarge even more.
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Juniper Level Baptist Church History 01/27/08 79 W, 1 I - + 15 - 20
The site of yesterday's moving funeral service for Lt. Herman S. Jones, Juniper Level Baptist Church at 9104 Sauls Road was organized in 1871. They also founded a school and a lodge. In 1927, construction was completed of a new church, lodge, and school. The structure was renovated and expanded around 1960. This is the older building beside the cemetery, and across the street from the present sanctuary. Read more church history.
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Engine 221 01/27/08 80 W, 1 I - + 12 - 16
Raleigh recently renumbered some of its reserve fleet. Engines are now numbered 120+ and 220+. Ladders are now numbered 110+ and 210+. The 100 units are for short-term assignments, such as a day or two. These units include equipment. The 200 units are for long-term assignments, and do not include equipment. Engine 9 is presently operating Engine 221, a 1995 Pierce Dash pumper. Ladder 210 is a 1988 Pierce Arrow articulating platform. The city presently has six engines and three ladders in reserve status.
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Canon EF 18-55m Lens + Sledgehammer 01/27/08 108 W, 2 I - + 12 - 12
After 18 months of faithful service, my Canon Digital Rebel XT kit lens was failing. Error 99 messages were appearing with increasing frequency, and requiring a camera restart. This was not helpful when shooting spit-second happenings. Like, say, fireground action. Ordered another on eBay. The replacement has been error-free since Friday, and passed Saturday's event with flying colors. What to do with the old lens? Smash it, of course. The glass from the lens has yet to be found, but everything flew only a few feet. No humans were harmed in the making of this blog post. That is, not counting lost brain cells.
I have on of these lens, not much different smashed or working. Other Canon lenses much better than kit lens. David Watson (Email) (Web Site) - 01/28/08 - 22:03
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Chevrons on Front! 01/28/08 21 W, 1 I - + 12 - 8
From a reader, here are some wild-looking Pierce platforms recently delivered to Montgomery County, MD. Click to enlarge:
More chevrons from MD, these in Howard County.
http://www.singerassociates.com/delivery.. DJ (Email) - 01/28/08 - 20:01
beautiful…. CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/29/08 - 20:42
I like it…..I guess it comes down to “safety or show piece”? Silver - 01/29/08 - 21:48
Well…since I don’t like seeing my mama’s oldest boy getting hurt, I guess I would have to go with ‘safety’. DJ (Email) - 01/29/08 - 23:06
show piece and safety! just like garner’s gorgeous new ems vehicle – i had a hard time containing my excitement at seeing these this morning! bring on the japanese led lights they use on all trucks in japan – makes japanese highways very safe at night when you can see the complete outline of every eighteen-wheeler on the road – like driving through a pachinko parlor or through las vegas (i am not kidding) seriously, the chevrons make things so much safer and they also happen to look great! corner hydrant - 01/29/08 - 23:19
Not too bad… wouldn’t say I’m a fan of them though. That’s not to say I’m not a fan of ‘safety’ but… what is next? Painting the entire truck in that paint scheme? Most of our wrecks around town are enroute to the call/returning from a call, with the few exceptions. If people still miss all the LEDs and noise, I’m not sure what else we could do… except maybe start installing sensors in vehicles that are tripped by the sound range of a siren that automatically turns the radio off and rolls down the windows so they can hear us. Oh, it would be nice if it automatically adjusted their mirrors OFF of their faces, so they might actually be able to see out their back window! Just a thought. Luke - 01/29/08 - 23:24
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if i remember correctly, in japan, all emergency vehicles have really loud megaphones announcing their arrival, asking people to move, etc – anyone in japan reading? is my memory serving me right? corner hydrant - 01/30/08 - 00:26
Luke, I guess my argument is that you can have that polished chrome bumper that looks great in parades, or, you can have markings on your vehicle that serve a purpose but some might consider “tacky”. Personally, coming from someone that works a portion of interstate, I’ll pick the safety side… Silver - 01/30/08 - 00:32
well, i was thinking the leds are more necessary for 18-wheelers since it’s so difficult to gauge their size at night – chevrons are a must (i just happen to think they look great!)- now, i’m really curious if emergency services can and do take over the airwaves in japan(??) in earthquakes, they do – highway radio is on a certain frequency and comes on with updates for the entire national highway system whenever you are in range of it’s signal (a really great service announcing shutdowns, conditions, accidents, etc) – now, the navigation systems in cars turn into tv at the stop sign or whenever you’re stalled in traffic (this was years back), so i wouldn’t be one bit surprised if emergency services could take it over for emergency announcements – would be really interesting to get some feedback from japan to see what’s going on there these days corner hydrant - 01/30/08 - 01:02
The chevrons appeal to me because of the safety factor (that happens as you get older- I’ll save the extra chrome for my personal ride) and they also appear to a certain ‘tacky gene’ in me. Afterall, I remember the tacky stuff we wore in the 70s and 80s (including the hairstyles on the picture from RFD that Mike posted).
It would be really nice if we could take command of airwaves within a certain distance of our vehicle, or set off a sensor in side of another vehicle that a.- interrupted cell phone conversations, b.- shut down the stereo, c.activated a light around the side view mirros to call attention to us, and d. blacked out the rearview mirror, since it is seldom aimed out the back window, anyway.
Of course, 40mm gun turrets would be a nice option, as well. DJ (Email) - 01/30/08 - 09:21
I seem to remember a system a number of years ago that was used that would cut into your stereo with important announcements over I believe the RDS system. I do remember reading that it could be used (with the proper transmitters) to alert drivers to oncoming emergency vehicles as well. I guess that technology never panned out. Wouldn’t it be nice if these GPS and navigation systems in vehicles could somehow be linked to technology that would announce the direction of travel of oncoming emergency vehicles. Pipe dreams I guess! CFP 7021 (Email) - 01/30/08 - 10:38
Oh, the technology is here…just no demand for it. But I have heard of a device being sold in NYC that will disrupt cell phone calls within a specific radius. I would gladly pay out money for one of those! DJ (Email) - 01/30/08 - 10:45
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Making a Picture 01/31/08 125 W, 1 I - + 22 - 11
For fires at night in very low light, you just point the camera and shoot. Highest possible ISO. Steady as you can with the camera. Meter toward a light source. Looks good on the LCD panel, but not as good on the computer. Crop unwanted elements and find the "core picture." Then do some more work. For last night's outbuilding that burned on Stanhope Avenue, this picture was finished with the following steps. After cropping closer, rotate right 1 degree. Crop again, even closer. Adjust brightness and contrast, to conceal the graininess. Presto! That last step isn't something that I usually perform. Takes too long in the work flow. For a short series, though, extra tweaks can be worth it. Click to enlarge:
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Vintage Chevrons 01/31/08 41 W, 1 I - + 15 - 13
These appeared on the crash truck of the Clayton Rescue Squad in the 1970s. See more classic photos, as scanned by Clayton Area EMS Asst. Chief Jason Thompson. Love that old Dodge van.
You know, between what Wake EMS photos are floating around, the many scrapbooks at Garner EMS, these Clayton EMS pics, and the stuff that Travis Loy has, there’s probably a picture book that’s waiting to be made. Legeros - 01/31/08 - 21:20
When i left Cary back in 1985, there was a HUGE box of pictures. I have seen numerous pictures at the old Knightdale Rescue station. It might be hard to find some Fuquay-Varina, Northern Wake, or Wake Forest Rescue stuff (I am sure it is in someone’s closet somewhere). And then to find pictures from Beacon, Raleigh Ambulance, Bright FH, and I several of the other funeral homes that I know of that ran ambulances (Overby, Sugg, Apex, Lewis, and I think the one in Zebulon did), there is a book to be made.
Of course, some of us who would really like to see it done don’t have the time (working 2 1/2 jobs, going to school, etc). DJ (Email) - 01/31/08 - 23:43
I agree… I’d love to see a picture book that focuses on EMS & Rescue history in our region. Jason (Email) - 02/01/08 - 02:26
Sad part is…I remember some of those old vehicles, particularly the crash truck (when it was an open bed), the old dodge van, and the van that is pitcured on the old NC OEMS manual. I used to have several copies of it but my ex thought they were trash, so…. DJ (Email) - 02/01/08 - 09:08
Great pics!!! Please post more!!!!!! Travis (Email) - 02/03/08 - 10:00
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Car 198 > Car 20 01/31/08 89 W - + 15 - 10
The Raleigh Fire Department fire investigation unit has a new number. Car 198 became Car 20 yesterday. The second investigation vehicle, also at Station 9, is numbered Car 21. So where did the number Car 198 come from? As the story goes, Fire Prevention units were once numbered in the 90s. Car 91, Car 92, etc. Fire Prevention also performed investigations. When Fire Prevention added another unit after Car 99, the numbers were simply repeated but with a "1" in front. Thus the now-familiar Car 195 (fire education) and Car 198 (fire investigation). Or so the story goes.
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Surry County Plane Crash 02/01/08 44 W, 1 I - + 11 - 16
WXII12 has a slide show of surprisingly up close images from today's plane crash outside Mount Airy. They've also got the 911 calls on audio. Other photos and incident details are available at the Mount Airy News, including the image below:
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This Evening's Fire 02/02/08 58 W, 1 I - + 12 - 12
Two alarms at 3211 Shoreview Road. Two-and-a-half story, wood-frame apartments with 13,358 square-feet. Alarm time just after 6:00 p.m. Engine 18 first on scene. Battalion 4 initial command. WRAL reports at least 10 units damaged. NBC17 reports four firefighters were briefly trapped, but escaped unharmed. Listen to the radio traffic. Photos from Lee forthcoming:
From listening to the radio, it sounded like it took 2-3 mins from the time the MayDay was called till the RIT had the crew from E-16 out of the apt. Good job. Does anyone have any details of what happened? Mike - 02/03/08 - 13:23
Which Archived entry is it exactly? From the time the Mayday was called? I looked for it, but there were just so many entries…. Dannyboy - 02/03/08 - 15:50
If memory serves correct it is 618pm to 632 or so. Mike - 02/03/08 - 21:34
Start listening to the following. I believe the MAYDAY came in in the second or third file. I listened to at least these 5 until I heard “everyone’s accounted for” BTW, for those on a Mac, RealPlayer seems to work best. Audio recorded on 02/02/2008 from 05:48 pm – 06:03 pm Audio recorded on 02/02/2008 from 06:03 pm – 06:18 pm Audio recorded on 02/02/2008 from 06:18 pm – 06:33 pm Audio recorded on 02/02/2008 from 06:33 pm – 06:49 pm Audio recorded on 02/02/2008 from 06:49 pm – 07:04 pm corner hydrant - 02/03/08 - 21:38
It would be in the 6:03-6:18 file. The Mayday came around 6:14 or so. leeeeee - 02/04/08 - 00:48
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WakeMed in the Morning 02/03/08 61 W, 1 I - + 13 - 11
While killing time on New Bern Avenue yesterday morning, this composition exercise presented itself. Objective #1: Shoot Air Mobile 1, lighted by the sun peeking over WakeMed. Objective #2: Shoot from the public sidewalk, versus the hospital grounds. Perhaps with a stepladder, this would have looked better. But it was a fun, fleeting exercise.
Mike, perhaps you should offer your services to WakeMed as a freelance photographer… this shot would make a great public relations shot for them, even with your “concerns” about the shot.
Just a thought. EMS 7597 - 02/04/08 - 00:36
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Old Bridges 02/03/08 98 W, 1 I - + 11 - 10
Let's divert exclusively into local history. Lee recently found this photo of the old Boylan Heights bridge. Built in 1913, the Warren Truss bridge was demolished in 1982. It was a registered as a national landmark, and its dilemma surrounding its status at the time led to the creation of the Boylan Heights Neighborhood Association. What's equally interesting about this undated photograph is that same shows a second bridge, that extended Martin Street from West Street to Kinsey Street. You can see still where the road ended, atop Kinsey and looking east.
Years ago, during the late 60s or early 70s, RFD responded to a lot of fire alarms on DDH grounds. By that time the one-way street craze had struck, and Martin Street was one-way, east bound, from Boylan Ave to East St. So units from RFD #1 would have a direct route, lane control lights, like the ones at RBC, were in place along Martin St. They were located between Harrington and Dawson, West and Harrington, and just off of Boylan. One would go red while the other green.
At the time my father worked for Dillon Supply, and I remember several times seeing the ALFs (two engines and the tiller) heading towards DDH, westbound on Martin. DJ (Email) - 02/04/08 - 16:56
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Fire Commission Work Session, Thursday, 2/21 02/06/08 69 W - + 13 - 11
The Wake County Fire Commission has scheduled a work session for Thursday, February 21, at 6:30 PM, at the Wake EMS Training Facility, located in the lower level of the Wake County Commons Building at 4011 Carya Drive. Note the earlier time than regularly scheduled meetings. The purpose of the work session is for the Fire Commission to continue discussion and work on the long-range business plan.
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More Golden Oldies 02/06/08 101 W, 1 I - + 11 - 9
Here's another a great picture that recently surfaced, showing driver training at the Fairgrounds in the 1970s. This is the first color photo seen of one of the city's American LaFrance 700 Series pumpers. Raleigh had four of them, two in 1951 and two in 1953. They were delivered by rail, as the story goes. This particular pumper is lettered C, which was the designation for reserve engines. It is probably a 1951 model, and would have served as Engine 3, Engine 8, and Engine 14. See more of these photos, but don't cut yourself on those sharp hairstyles.
Great pics Mike!!! Keep them coming! Travis (Email) - 02/06/08 - 21:41
I remember seeing them out there a couple of times. One time they had the 1950 Mack along with one of the 900 series ALFs.
We also used to do driver training out at RDU. The state OEMS offered an EVOC course that we helped with out on the closed runway. There may be some pics of that somewhere, possibly in any Cary News archives. DJ (Email) - 02/06/08 - 22:29
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Old Rescue Squads 02/07/08 51 W, 1 I - + 15 - 14
It's history week here at Blog Center. Look at these classic rigs as operated by Clayton Rescue Squad back in the day. Clayton Area EMS Asst. Chief Jason Thompson continues to uncover old photos. They and some others will be posted later.
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Morrisville's New Ladder 02/07/08 96 W, 1 I - + 12 - 13
The Morrisville Fire Department recently took a trip to inspect their coming KME platform ladder. It's due in a few more weeks. Their old ladder's been sold, thus the reason Parkwood's ladder's at their station at present. How many ladders does that make in Wake these days? Let's see. Raleigh has 7, plus three reserves. Cary has 3, with a fourth almost here. Apex has 2. Bay Leaf has 1. Fuquay-Varina has 1. Garner has 1. Holly Springs has 1. Knightdale has 1, albeit a Squrt. Morrisville has 1. Wake Forest has 1. Wendell has 1. Zebulon has 1.
I heard through a rumor that Knightdale Public Safety was getting a new ladder truck… can someone tell me if it is true or not? EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/07/08 - 12:26
No, there not. Believe they are working on a station two (town website), so an additional pumper/engine should be in the plans. Eye in the sky - 02/07/08 - 12:34
There will be a new engine, expected delivery late spring/early summer inside track - 02/07/08 - 22:50 https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1351[10/14/2019 7:59:34 PM] Morrisville's New Ladder - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
Somewhat relevant to the discussion, Bethesda FD is expecting delivery of a new 75’ Quint in July to run the Brier Creek contract area with E24 and E23, also to run mutal aid with Durham Highway. John - 02/08/08 - 12:56
That seems like a big expense for a quint when most likely Raleigh will cancel the contract when Station 29 is built off of Leesville Rd area. In the Know - 02/08/08 - 15:40
But, Bethesda also has a first-due area that could benefit from the quint, “In The Know.” Just because a new station is built, also, doesn’t mean the contract will be automatically cancelled. Maybe we should let the powers that be sort it out later, and reap the benefits from the added equipment when it is delivered. EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/08/08 - 17:29
Have any contracts ever been cancelled in the past? Curious - 02/08/08 - 17:34
Published among the town’s Board of Commissioner documents in 2006, here are the truck’s specs: http://www.ci.morrisville.nc.us/webAgend.. Legeros - 03/22/08 - 21:27
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Chief Lane Passes Away 02/08/08 80 W, 1 I - + 12 - 13
Retired Assistant Chief Roy Kenneth Lane passed away Thursday, February 8. He was a 32-year veteran of the Raleigh Fire Department when he retired in 1997. Visitation will be at L. Harold Poole Funeral Home in Knightdale on Sunday night, February 10, from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. The funeral will be Monday, February 11, at 1:00 p.m. at Wakefield Baptist Church, 13029 Falls of the Neuse Road, with burial at Raleigh Memorial Park at 7501 Glenwood Avenue.
Obituary posted here http://www.legacy.com/newsobserver/Obitu.. Legeros - 02/10/08 - 08:56
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Checking For Overused Words 02/09/08 124 W - + 10 - 18
Blogging about fires, fire departments, fire history, fire photography, and some times other stuff. Such as writing. Here's a great Word tip. Use this to count the number of times you've used a particular word in a document. It's a great way to check for overuse.
1. In Word 2007, click Find in the ribbon. In Word 2003, click Edit > Replace. 2. In the Find What field, enter the word you want to check 3. In the Replace With field, enter the characters ^&. 4. Click Replace All. 5. The number of instances of the word is displayed. No words are replaced, as Word ignores those two special characters. 6. And if you don't believe that no words are replaced after step #5, click Edit > Undo from the main menu.
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This Evening's Fire 02/10/08 73 W, 1 I - + 14 - 16
Apartment fire at 7013 Woodbend Drive. Two-story, wood-frame, 10,672 square-foot apartment building. Engine 4 on scene with a major working fire. Battalion 1 in command. Ladder 16 and Ladder 11 positioned, but not needed. Interior attack contains and controls. Alarm time about 9:55 p.m. Units included E4, E9, E15, E19, E11, E18, L16, L11, R19, R14, B1, B4, C5, A8, C20, C2, EMS 16, EMS D1, EMS T1. See preliminary photos.
...command terminated by Engine 22 at 7:52 a.m. the next morning. Today’s News & Observer reports two units with major damage, and two with minor damage. Fire controlled within 20 minutes. No injuries. Legeros - 02/10/08 - 08:53
EMS121 was also there. Defib - 02/10/08 - 16:09
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Very Dry, Very Windy 02/10/08 83 W - + 16 - 9
Weather.com says 62 degrees and 19% humidity, with winds from the west at 20 mph, gusting to 32 mph. One big brush fire in Johnston County so far, plus trees and wires starting to fall down around. The Weather Service has also issued these watches and warnings for Wake County:
Fire Weather Watch from 9:00 a.m., Feb 10 until 9:00 p.m., Feb 10 Fire Weather Warning from 9:00 a.m., Feb 10 until 9:00 p.m., Feb 10 Wind Advisory from 12:00 p.m., Feb 10 until 9:00 p.m., Feb 10.
Large (LARGE) Brush fire in Cleveland at this time. Response including Cleveland, 50-210, Elevation, Clayton, Wilson’s Mills, Fuquay Varina, Garner, and West Johnston fire departments. Also, forestry service making helicopter drops and operating the plow at this time. Call came in around lunch time. Fire has consumed two barns and is threatening homes at this time. Fv78 - 02/10/08 - 16:16
Fire contained at this time, 3:40pm Fv78 - 02/10/08 - 16:40
Listening in @ 17:30….heard units from Hopkins, New Hope, Wake Forest, Stony Hill and Zebulon How many acres in Franklin County are involved?? jetexas - 02/10/08 - 19:29
Also a Eastern Wake and Falls Brush truck. 4447 - 02/10/08 - 19:55
According to cad Morrisville is on the call in Franklin County also. Can anyone advise if they are or are they covering for another department Apex Batt Chief - 02/10/08 - 22:33
If they were, CAD sure did pass A LOT of units and departments that could have been utilized. Fv78 - 02/10/08 - 23:14
DHFD squad 4 to Youngsville for woodland fire. DHFD - 02/10/08 - 23:59
The reason they skipped around on the units going to Franklin County is so that all resources are no depleted from each station on the north side. Also, with as busy as it got today, north side stations were not getting out to every dispatch. Hence the reason for skipping around. FV78answer - 02/11/08 - 00:00
SO you send morrisville!!! tanner - 02/11/08 - 14:47
It was like a fire storm in Franklin County yesterday. I know you southern Wake County folks must have been wondering where they were sending you. Thanks for all your help! Those that were there were greatly appreciated! We’re still mopping up today all over the county. Youngsville 482 - 02/11/08 - 18:53
After asking folks with Morrisville they answered an anyone that can send someone call and volunteered to send an engine co. Apex Batt Chief - 02/11/08 - 22:00
Thanks for everyone that came and helped out 423 PF - 02/11/08 - 22:15
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Thanks Apex Batt for clarifying the Morrisville deal. Although I was not working in the ECC that day I know from several people who were that said the ECC was extremely busy that day. While Morrisville to Franklin County does seem ubsurd, the mere fact that it is ubsurd seems to suggest there was a reason for it. People are so quick to blame CAD and the dispatchers, but what they dont realize is that there is a method to the madness of what goes on sometimes especially on a day like that! How about giving us the benefit of the doubt once in a while. Raleigh 911 - 02/11/08 - 23:52
I am sure things were busy at the ECC. From the interaction I had with Telecommunicators, things seemed to be going well, especially considering the work load. Swift Creek was dispatched to Johnston Co., but when we called verified the dispatch, as we were responding, Raleigh was already working on a closer unit and swapped us with Fuquay. As I understand it, SCFD was requested by Johnston Co as probably the next closest so we were dispatched. Then the Wake Co. and Johnston Co. ECC talked and decided Fuquay was closer and available, so Fuquay swapped with us.
We had a couple other calls on Sunday (power lines in the roadway, working garage fire, and working brush fire) and I am not aware of any issues with CAD or the ECC. Griggs - 02/12/08 - 14:00
Kudos to Stoney Hill 202 and Wake Forest 63….You both sounded like you were ass deep in alligators out there! jetexas - 02/12/08 - 18:29
Thanks to all the dispatchers working on Sunday. It seemed like locution never took a break after about 13:00 in Raleigh. You all did a a great job and we appreaciate it!! firedriver - 02/12/08 - 21:40
I want to say thanks to all the Wake County units that went to Franklin County to assist them with all working fires they had. Being out there and working for several hours, Franklin County units were extreamly happy to see all the help, reguardless where they came from. There were units from Franklin, Wake, Granville, and Vance counties working out there. Michael - 02/12/08 - 21:58
How many acres burned total at the Franklinton fire? It was the biggest one I have ever experienced… Beach - 02/12/08 - 23:33
This week’s Wake Weekly has a good article about the Franklin County fires, http://www.wakeweekly.com/index.php?cate.. Legeros - 02/15/08 - 07:57
Reference the Franklinton call. There were 3 fires on US 1 for a total of 899 acres per NCFS. We have asked Walt Fuller for a rundown on the units and departments that responded to Franklinton. say what! - 02/15/08 - 09:45
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Cary Fire Department News 02/12/08 266 W - + 13 - 10
The Cary Fire Department reports the following news. New Scott AP-75 air packs have been purchased for the entire department. The department bought 124 air packs, enough for both operations and training. The main reason for the upgrade was the number of older air packs that were reaching the end of their service life. Personnel are being training on the new air packs, which are expected to be placed in service in the beginning of March. The new air packs comply with the newest NFPA standards for air packs. The features of the new equipment include individual face masks with heads-up displays, and 30-minute carbon bottles.
The replacement for Truck 7 is expected in early June. The Pierce Velocity rescue truck will serve as a both a truck company and a rescue unit. The two-axle apparatus will be equipped with a non-walk in body, and was designed to meet ISO ground ladder requirements. It will be equipped with a full complement of ground ladders.
The replacement for Truck 6 is expected in early to mid-April. The Pierce Velocity ladder truck will serve as a truck company. It will be equipped with a 105-foot aerial ladder and a 1,500-GPM pump. The specs for the apparatus were based on Raleigh's recent Pierce ladder bid, but with a different chassis and other enhancements including a larger pump.
Work is proceeding to procure land for a new fire station in the O'Kelly Chapel Road area, off Highway 55. The station will likely be numbered Station 8. The time frame for construction, and the staffing of the station, are to be determined.
Excellent news on the new replacement equipment. I am excited to hear the prospect of station 8 to be built around the corner from me. I have been starving to hear the roar of a Q on a more frequent basis. Any chance that CFD station 7 might receive an aerial truck sometime soon?
Can anyone comment about the recent disappearance of CFD dispatch and operations from the Cary 800mhz trunk system? Where did everyone go? CaryFrontier (Email) - 02/12/08 - 23:47
Congrats Cary, glad to see you guys will be wearing “real” packs…hahahahahaha. As a taxpayer though, I’m glad to see you get rid of those anchors you wore on your backs and can’t wait for that second firehouse out my way. Silver - 02/13/08 - 21:28
We also just put 30 new 2007 SCOTT SCBA’s with EBSS and pak tracker option (SCBA locator system) in service at New Hope. Including two RIT-PAK II’s. Thank goodness for the AFG program. Congrats CFD. AB(NH200A) - 02/13/08 - 23:54
7 RIT-PAK II’s with 1 hour cylinders were also purchased, one per truck/rescue/ladder. This is an increase of 5 RIT-PAK’s for the dept. CFP 7021 (Email) - 02/14/08 - 11:19
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Boom! 02/13/08 29 W, 1 I - + 16 - 14
This looks like the best image of last night's explosives demolition, from the WRAL story. See these daytime photos from Lee, long before the big booms started happening.
It was great listening to the scanner traffic and hearing the “booms.” They definitely went into the night detonating those things. drewnc (Email) - 02/13/08 - 11:26
I’ll stay in Holly Springs. I’ve heard all of the munitions detonations I care to… DJ (Email) - 02/13/08 - 18:06
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/s..
Everything you ever wanted to know about the 90mm recoiless rifle, M67, but were afraid to ask. DJ (Email) - 02/15/08 - 17:45
There’ll be some great stats on this incident, once the dust has literally settled. Number of agencies. Number of fire companies. Number of detonations. Number of tac channels used. Number of meals delivered. etc., etc. Legeros - 02/15/08 - 18:56
who bought meals? I don’t think RPD contributed anything. fireman - 02/16/08 - 21:35
Barry’s Cafe and their “Feed The Firefighters” program. The stuff (I believe) has an allowance from the county commissioners, but the program itself is not for profit, and most everything is donated…
Someone correct me if I’m wrong. EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/17/08 - 02:13
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AVL in Action 02/13/08 101 W, 1 I - + 14 - 15
As seen on the big board at the communications center, with proportions corrected from widescreen monitor mode, here's what the real-time view of Wake County EMS units looks like. Click to enlarge. Then, indulge this blogger's favorite "big board" quote, from Stanley Kubrick's great comedy from 1964. "I... I... I don't exactly how to put this sir, are you aware of what a serious breach of security that would be!? I mean, he'll see everything! He'll see the big board!" George C. Scott to Peter Sellars, Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.
Dr Strangelove…one of the true classics and number four on my favorite movie list… DJ (Email) - 02/13/08 - 22:22
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May You Live in Interesting Times 02/13/08 1010 W, 9 I - + 11 - 15
Let's recap the last couple days of activity in Raleigh, with data as observed by Mike and Lee, and from media reports. We'll start with Saturday morning's house fire. The address was 704 Princeton Street. The structure was a single-story, brick-and-frame, 1,414 square-foot single-family dwelling built in 1968. Alarm time about 3:35 p.m. Car 20 was first on scene and reported fire through the roof, and one subject reported trapped inside. Crews made an interior attack against heavy fire, and then went defensive with hand lines and deck gun. One occupant escaped and was transported to a burn center. The other occupant was later found inside. Units included E9, E15, E16, E4, E19, E11, L16, R19, A8, B1, C20, C5, C2, C10, EMS3, EMS2, EMS5, EMS4, EMS D1, EMS T1. Car 20 and Engine 9 remained on scene through the morning, investigating with RPD and CCBI. "A" shift, then "B" shift was working. Lee Wilson photo:
The next big one was Saturday night, a major fire at 7013 Woodbend Drive. The structure was a two-story, wood-frame, 10,672 square-foot apartment building. Engine 4 was first on scene and reported a major working fire. Battalion 1 arrived and took command. Ladder 16 and Ladder 11 were positioned, but not needed. The interior attack contained and controlled within about 20 minutes. Four units were damaged, two with major smoke and fire damaged. The alarm time was about 10:00 p.m. Units included E4, E9, E15, E17, E19, E11, E18, L16, L11, R19, R14, B1, B4, C5, A8, C20, C2, EMS 121, EMS 16, EMS 11, EMS D1, EMS T1. "B" shift was still working. Mike Legeros photo:
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Sunday afternoon saw a spate of brush fires. It was a dry and windy day, with gusts in the 40 mph range. Some grass fires, downed lines, and downed trees were reported around noon, but the bulk of the activity started around 2:00 p.m. The north side seemed particularly active, late that morning. The big calls are below. There was also a brush fire at the Lakes apartments, off Six Forks Road, with Engine 9 and Engine 4, if memory serves. RFD answered 80+ calls between 2:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. By way of comparison, they answer an average of 100 calls in a 24- hour period (is that right?). "A" shift was working. Mike Legeros photo:
Late in the 3:00 p.m. hour, a fast-moving grass fire at 12424 Cilcain Court brought Raleigh and Falls units to Wakefield. What looked like tree- high flames from photos threatened and slightly damaged several homes. Units included E25, E22, E15, E18, E19, L22, R19, Falls 212, Falls 219, and Falls Brush 1. Matt Howard photo:
About 4:20 p.m., a major brush fire erupted in 300-400 block of Newton Road. Engine 4 was dispatched to a brush fire, and found flames threatening a three-story apartment building. Engine 4 requested a full working fire assignment. Engine 9 was second on scene and upgraded to a major working fire. Three sides of the structure were threatened. An automobile was also fully involved in the front of the building. A second brush fire was burning about a block east, on the south side of Newton Road. Ladder 16 was directed to that, and subsequently supplied water by Engine 23. A third brush fire was also discovered. The alarm time was about 4:20 p.m. Units on scene included E4, E5, E9, E11, E14, E16, E17, E23, R7, R14, L16, L23, B2, B3, B4, C5, C2, Mini 4, EMS 12_, EMS 12_, EMS 1280, and Wake MD 1. Lee Wilson photo:
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About 5:00 p.m., a brush fire on the east side of Glenwood Avenue near Lake Boone Trail was reported. The fire was started by a tree limb touching a power line, which ignited debris in a ditch. Flames climbed an embankment, and spread onto the 17th hole of a golf course. About five acres of the course were burned. The fire was controlled after 9:00 p.m. Units on scene included E14, E6, E5, E13, E8, Mini 3, B2, B3. Mike Legeros photo:
About 5:25 p.m., a dumpster fire was reported at a restaurant at 8011 Brier Creek Parkway. Arriving units found flames had spread to the building. The fire was quickly contained. The building was safely evacuated. Units on scene included Bethesda T421, Raleigh E24, Durham Highway E1, Raleigh Battalion 2, two EMS units, and EMS D2. Other companies, including Raleigh Ladder 26 (!) were canceled. Lee Wilson photo:
Monday was quiet, but Tuesday started with a bang. Personnel at Station 2 heard the explosion at a metal recycling facility at 2310 Garner Road about 10:45 a.m. The explosion was the result of live ammunition exploding in a compactor. Two workers were transported with injuries. Garner Road was closed and the area evacuated. Nearby rail traffic was also halted. The incident appeared to be winding down by noon, and most fire and EMS companies released around that time as officials awaited the arrival of demolition experts from Fort Bragg. "C" shift was https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1359[10/14/2019 8:00:06 PM] May You Live in Interesting Times - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
working. Lee Wilson photo:
Tuesday afternoon, subsequent identification of the ordinance caused an escalation of the incident. Three 90 mm rifle rounds and 18 anti-tank projectiles were found in the bales of scrap metal, reported WRAL the next day. Several fire companies and EMS units were recalled to the scene, with many other agencies soon arriving. A larger area was evacuated, with fire companies assisting with evacuating residents. Plans proceeded to begin exploding some of the ordinance, instead of moving same off-site. The first controlled explosion occurred at approximately 11:05 p.m., the sixth and last one at 2:40 a.m. The Beltline was closed for the first explosion, for approximately 30 minutes. The incident continued into Wednesday, today, with additional detonations. The process was expected to cease overnight, and resume Thursday night. Mike Legeros photo:
Participating agencies and units on Tuesday included:
Raleigh Fire Department E2, E10, E1, E13, L26, R7, B2, B3, C5, C20, C2, C92, FC1, fuel truck, IT staff. Later L1, C1, E19, E6, R19, B1, B4, and recalled off-duty personnel.
Wake County EMS EMS 1, EMS11, EMS13, EMS D1, EMS T1, MD1, MD20. Later EMS C200, EMS 15.
Wake Emergency Management Wake Fire Marshal Raleigh Police Department State Highway Patrol Wake County Sherriff Wake CCBI North Carolina ATF Department of Defense Barry's Cafe
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History Presentation, Sunday, March 9 02/14/08 66 W - + 15 - 9
Raleigh Fire Department Historian Mike Legeros will be speaking at Olivia Raney Local History Library on Sunday, March 9, at 2:30 p.m. Sponsored by the Wake County Historical Society, the 45-minute presentation on the history of the Raleigh Fire Department is free and open to the public. The library is located at 4016 Carya Drive, near the intersection of Poole Road and the Beltline.
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The Sky is Falling 02/18/08 48 W, 3 I - + 14 - 13
FEMA has issued information regarding that rogue satellite that the military's trying to shoot down. Here's their space object responder guide. Here's their memo to responders. Here's their concept of operations. Needless to say, the odds of same striking here are, well, astronomically low.
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Clayton Fire Department Open House on Sunday at Station 2 02/20/08 49 W - + 17 - 10
The Clayton Fire Department is conducting an open house at Station 2 on Sunday, February 24, from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. They recently completed an addition to the facility, adding living quarters for a full-time crew. The station is located at 800 Highway 42 East.
Clayton has started 24/7 staffing at station two and will remain using day timers for station one and paid per call members at night time for station one. Fv28 - 02/20/08 - 09:43
What’s their staffing levels and what do they staff (enigne, ladder)? Silver - 02/20/08 - 14:57
Prior to the addition of full time staffing, Clayton was staffed with full time day crews at both station one and station two. The Town has approved to place a 24/7 crew at station two and continue daytime staffing at station one. Clayton is now dispatched by department(station now), which the unit that they typically take to the call, will go. Clayton does not have a ladder truck at this time. Night time hours, Clayton will continue to use their paid-on-call members with station one and the 24/7 crew at station two will wait for two more members to respond with a truck from that station. Fv28 - 02/20/08 - 15:06
Just so I understand; when the buzzer hits in the middle of the night for Station 2, that full time crew still has to sit and wait for 2 vollies? Silver - 02/20/08 - 22:30
The Town of Clayton Fire Department is a combination department with full time and part time on call employees. During the restructuring of the department in the last ten years our staff has been recognized by the Town as employees not volunteers. Our recruitment and promotion process is the same for everyone. All part time on call staff receive hourly pay for incident response, training, scheduled equipment inspections/check-offs and special called duty shifts.
Effective 2/16/08 we began shifts at Station 2 with a Fire Equipment Operator (Driver) and a Firefighter. During daytime hours they are assisted with another Firefighter. After hours, weekends and holidays they are depending on the part time on call staff to respond to staff both engines with a full crew per our SOG. We have reprogrammed both Minitor and Alpha pagers for separate tones for station response. Major incidents will get a full response.
Our Manager and Town Council are committed to working with and helping all of our Town Departments. We have been allowed to increase our staffing, replace/add equipment and apparatus. It is up to the department as dedicated firefighters to respond to the calls for service by getting the required apparatus out of the station and safely to the incident.
I would like to personally invite everyone to come out and visit us at Station 2 on Sunday to ask questions about our department. Our recruitment process is in May and November. If you live in the area or would be interested in part time day time work contact our Training/Safety Division at 919-553-1520.
Silver- you understand correctly. I would be happy to discuss the reasoning for this with you feel free to stop by anytime. cfdcar1 (Email) - 02/20/08 - 22:53
Chief,
What do you require of your part time day workers, i.e. (certs, schedule) FF87437 - 02/20/08 - 23:41
FF87437- As stated above our recruitment and promotion process is the same for everyone. Call Chief Dean and request a time to come by so
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he can discuss our process. The TOC web site is being re-organized and we plan to post everything on line in the near future. We do try to give our PTOC staff priority in the daytime scheduling. Our PTOC staff are very committed to helping out during the day and after hours. Our PTOC staff are required to maintain a min. of 15% attendance to all calls. In 2007 the percentages range from approx.25% to 65% with a total of 850+ calls for service. cfdcar1 (Email) - 02/21/08 - 00:02
I might need to do that just to see ol’ CHIEF Dean!!! Thanks for clearing that up…. Silver - 02/21/08 - 18:21
Come on over Jeff, long time no see!! DCJDean (Email) - 02/21/08 - 22:05
I was hoping you were on here…..I’ll stop by next week, off Tues-Fri. Let me know a good day… Silver - 02/21/08 - 22:36
Tues or Wed mornings best for next week… DCJDean (Email) - 02/22/08 - 13:59
See ya Wednesday, Fire Station #1? Silver - 02/23/08 - 10:47
Yes sir, Station 1. 325 W. Horne Street. (Corner of Horne and Robertson Streets) Call office if need further 919-553-1520 ext 6007 DCJDean (Email) - 02/23/08 - 15:32
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Fact, Fiction, Bad Men, Internet 02/20/08 119 W, 1 I - + 14 - 15
The Internet is a scary place, right? The boss reads your e-mail, your credit card number has already been stolen, and online predators are targeting your children. Right? A new study debunks the last item, according to researchers who study the nature of such Internet-initiated crimes. The complete paper is also available . Such findings compel the question: what other social aspects of the Internet do we exaggerate, or grossly exaggerate? And, conversely, what do we under-estimate? Regarding the latter, the impact of e-mail and messaging comes immediately to mind, and in the context of concentration in the workplace. Or at home. Or in mobile settings, with wireless. More later, and maybe some best practices.
I really have to agree at least with the ‘debunking’ of the last item. I don’t see it is as big a problem as people say, just that the few times we hear of it it is broadcast rapidly over the ‘net, CNN, etc. These ‘monsters’ have always been around- it just was not as sensationalized as it is now. It’s like mall shootings. They have been happening since there were malls. We just here about it quicker than we used to, if we used to at all. After all, how many people know about the North Hills Mall shootings from the early 70s?
I think we really want to believe there is a boogie man out there and many of us feed on this stuff… DJ (Email) - 02/20/08 - 15:10
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Sunset for Analog Cellular 02/20/08 64 W - + 13 - 12
As this media release notes, cellular telephone companies will no longer be required to provide analog service as of midnight on February 18, 2008. Presumably, this ends the ability of old phones to dial 911. That was a great trick. Keep a deactivated phone around, and you could dial 911 from practically anywhere. Guess we'll have stick with our old CB radios and channel 9.
My car phone that I’ve had for 20 years now no longer works! It will certainly be missed. lee - 02/21/08 - 14:40
Those of you with Nextel devices(which most firefighters have) will not be affected by this change over.
The CDMA network is all digital, as is the IDEN network. Sprint/Nextel - 02/25/08 - 12:35
8 months ago I thought I was going to regret getting rid of you Mr. N-xt-l, boy was I wrong!!! I should’ve done it sooner, I can’t believe how much less I’m on the phone…. Silver - 02/25/08 - 23:26
i can’t wait to drop my nextel/sprint/POS like a bad habit…. it’s gotten horrible since the merger… CFP 7021 (Email) - 02/26/08 - 07:39
Amen to that. Who would have thought that there would be long stretches of I-440 that you would drop phone calls on the ‘new and improved’ Nextel/Sprint network. DJ (Email) - 02/26/08 - 10:56
That’s why I like my Nextel and not one of those new-fangled hybrid phones. Mine doesn’t drop a call… ever. Everyone else I know who got a new phone with the “better coverage and service” Sprint network, I always have to talk to them in two-part conversations – their phone always drops out, dies, or otherwise doesn’t work.
And to CFP 7021, you’re absolutely right. When Nextel was Nextel, they would just about give you the shirt off their backs, if you needed it. Now, with Sprint, getting anything from them is like trying to move concrete a mile away through a coffee stirrer. EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/26/08 - 12:49
We are in the process in merging our billing systems in which it is effecting the network. We have technicians working around the clock to resolve this issue. I know its fustrating. Keep you minds and your eyes open. There will be a whole new network that will launch in the near future.
As for the hybrid phones, these are a temporary solution. There will be new devices to launch with the new network.
A lot of my customers are Fire/EMS/Police and I tell them everyday how much I appreciate you guys. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Sprint/Nextel - 02/27/08 - 00:16
yeah can you get me out of my contract early?? CFP 7021 - 02/27/08 - 09:46
Shev, I can. I’ll swing by Thursday to #7…. Silver - 02/27/08 - 11:33
Early termination will cost you $200 per line. Silver, I know what you are going to do, it will not work. The ET fee will still be charged to his
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bill…... Sprint/Nextel - 02/27/08 - 13:03
Yes, it will work. I did it. Shev, trust me on this one. Wanna place a friendly wager on that? Silver - 02/27/08 - 13:48
I too will be parting ways with nextel soon. The phone service just sucks too bad. No offense Sprint/Nextel, but I have been hearing about improvements, more towers, etc. for years now, only to find service continuing to get worse and worse. firedriver - 02/27/08 - 20:57
I got a hybrid last July and I’ve only had one dropped call since, on Falls of the Neuse Rd just past the fire station.(I think every phone drops calls there) Those of you who got them when they first come out are probaly the ones who are having problems with them. I also sell these phones, if you have problems with them come see me in Rolesville store, I’ll see what I can do for you….... Beach - 02/28/08 - 00:20
Loving my rollover minutes with ATT/Cingular – Creating a shift calendar for the Mac’s iCal manually. There must be an automated way to do it though, but I haven’t figured out how. Will be handy to have on the iPhone. corner hydrant - 02/28/08 - 00:43
Me too “corner”. To heck with Nextel/Sprint!! Next thing, every time you call them they’ll extend your contract. “Yes, Mr. Jones, we see that you turned your phone on today, which means we have to extend your contract for one year”. Silver - 02/28/08 - 11:20
They no longer renew your contract when making acct changes. They stopped doing that a few months ago to compete with Alltel and Verizon. There are new rate plans coming out TOMORROW. One of them is $99/month for UNLIMITED EVERYTHING! The only time they renew your contract is if you upgrade your phone by getting a discount on your phone. Beach (Email) - 02/28/08 - 15:39
finished the iCal ABC shift calendar – if anyone has a Mac and wants it, e-mail me and I’ll send you the A, B and C .ics files – i don’t think there’s a way to get the nice color stripes from iCal into the iPhone calendar (yet) corner hydrant (Email) - 02/28/08 - 16:22
corner hyd. – I’ve got a Mac and iPhone and I’m able to automatically configure my schedule on the Mac, then sync it with the iPhone. Is that what you’re wishing to do? Luke - 02/28/08 - 20:47
I’m curious as to how Sprint is going to make it out of the slump they’re currently in with a lot of their current customers say how dissatisfied they are with their service. Sprint reported a 30 BILLION dollar loss over the last 90 days! Henry P. - 02/28/08 - 21:46
Luke, i have the nice red, green and blue lines in iCal marked with ABC in month view, but unfortunately, the iPhone does not display the month view with the days color coded – and that’s what I would hope would be an option in the future, unless it’s a feature i don’t know about (??) corner hydrant - 02/28/08 - 23:19
i have better connections with cingular/att – when i had verizon, at certain times i could only get a clear signal at home crouched down near the corner hydrant (seriously) i guess it’s who’s towers are closer and who has the most towers corner hydrant - 02/28/08 - 23:34
Henry, they dropped prices on Nextel phones…significantly. They also came out with new unlimited rate plans today. They are trying to compete with Verizon and Alltel. Sprint is now the cheapest carrier. Beach (Email) - 02/29/08 - 13:03
Yeah, they do offer a $99 plan that is unlimited use. But I don’t think that’s going to help them get out of the slump since the other companies are also offering the same plan and better customer service. My wife has a i836 with the $30 plan. She was told the plan came with d.c. minutes and it doesn’t. Nextel said she has to upgrade to get d.c. minutes. Also, her battery life is horrible. Nextel advertises a 2.5 hour talk time and a 2 day standby time and hers is no where near close to that. Her phone will only stay alive to 2 hours without any use. If she talks on it for 10 minutes her battery is already close to being dead. Nextel also refuses to do anything about that also. Her phone is only about 6
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months old and she charges it every night with the phone off and doesn’t have a car charger so I know she doesn’t abuse the battery. Nextel/Sprint isn’t going to stay alive with customer service like that. Henry P. - 02/29/08 - 21:51
Way back, once upon a time, Nextel was ‘the bomb’. Everyone I knew had one and raved about the service. At that time, I was on Sprint/360/Alltel, and their service was good, also. Then I came to Wake, then I got a Nextel, then they merged. Sprint/Nextel, if you are listening- the service now S-U-C-K-S. There is no excuse for dropping calls along any portion of I-440 (major metro area). If you are in the middle of the intersection at Avent Ferry or New Hill-Holleman and NC 55 Bypass, the call drops, even with FULL SIGNAL STRENGTH! Anywhere in the RDU area the signal is poor. And the list can go on.
I keep hearing about improvements in service. When? Where? Put up or close up.
And customer service? If it were not for your contract vendors you would not have any customer service. To go into a Sprint/Nextel store I would compare to getting a root canal with rusty instruments and no anesthetic.
Customer service woes? Hint- fix the dropped calls. There is no excuse for dropped calls in a major metro area like the Triangle. Ever. Well…if a major storm comes through and the power grid shuts down, then maybe.
Then you need to start supporting the phones that people are having trouble with. Batteries should last for more than one or two hours.
And stop over pricing accessories and chargers. What costs $30 or more in your store can be found for less that $10 (OEM equipment. I know…I bought it) on the ‘net.
And stop messing with the “Iden” (I think that’s right) system. It works and works pretty well. At least it did before the merger.
Just a few suggestions. DJ (Email) - 03/01/08 - 10:36
Just returned from a very pleasant conversation with the fine people at Carolina Telecom in Holly Springs (by the new Wal-Mart) and learned a lot of interesting tidbits about the Sprint/Nextel issues. Said they just got a new CEO who is committed to bringing the Nextel service in particular back to where it was. NOt sure how true, but it was sligtly reassuring to see and hear what should be coming down the pipe soon. Who knows.. CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/01/08 - 17:33
Of course they’re going to tell you that, they don’t want to lose your money. Don’t fall for it man!!!! Make the switch, you’ll be glad you did. Silver - 03/01/08 - 22:33
Ok folks, I have said my peace and tried to be helpful to you, but some people are just to stubborn. You can go to any other carrier and you WILL STILL have dropped calls. So go ahead, you’ll be back…
CFP 7021, yes you are correct. There is a new CEO who is making changes that have never been made before. Carolina Telecom is just a private franchise, they are not Sprint employees.
Now let me clear something else up. The merger has nothing to do with the service. What has happened is so many customers has signed up for new service and the towers just can’t keep up. Yes, I agree, build more towers. They are being built as we speak, but it takes time to install them. (Permits, FCC regulations, purchasing the land, etc.)
Let me give you a little advise to those of you with problems with you phone. If you call to Customer Care they will help you. I see it everyday. Just don’t call them using profanity and bashing the service. That will get you nowhere. Sprint/Nextel - 03/02/08 - 12:25
wait a minute, Sprint/Nextel is having a mass exodus from their services and that’s the reason they can’t keep up? And customer care is about useful as a jar of sand in the desert, the real people to talk to is retention, or corporate customer care. Everything else is “let me put in a ticket and you’ll never hear back from us”. Been there done that, just this morning as a matter of a fact. And it’s not the dropped calls that irritates me, it’s the total lack of care for customers that have been loyal for nearly a decade, over bringing in new. I guess that’s why they are losing
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customers left and right and posting record losses. Rumor has it that they might be ripe for a buy out? wouldn’t that be some interesting stuff? CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/02/08 - 12:38
Verizon buying them out would be the best thing that could ever happen to them…..the King of cell service and the trend setters of walkie talkie (as annoying as it is). Silver - 03/02/08 - 12:59
well as of today I’m the happy owner of a 30 day trial period of a AT&T Blackberry Curve. So far so good… CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/02/08 - 19:25
Congrats, for all of your Blackberry related questions, I’ll recommend http://www.pinstack.com . Has a forum for the Curve, and people on there will answer anything you might have, I’m talking about some smart folks too. Silver - 03/02/08 - 21:16
I thinking of jumping the nextel ship too. Back in my pre-nextel years alltel or verizon used to have the best coverage area. Is that still correct? I’m hearing AT&T isn’t bad either. AB - 03/03/08 - 21:03
i’m having better coverage with att than i had with verizon, but i still got dropped next to st alban’s today on att (first time a call’s ever been dropped for me though) corner hydrant - 03/03/08 - 22:58
My wife’s phone is still on Alltel and the coverage is still pretty good. I replaced my i530 with an i560 and most (but not all) of my problems have resolved. Funny thing- my Nextel coverage is better elsewhere (Atlanta, Hudson Valley area of NY) than it is here. Still losing calls around Brier Creek and on the southern area of I-440.
Maybe one day… DJ (Email) - 03/03/08 - 23:04
my tomtom navigator has a much harder time getting a signal going – maybe i need an outboard antenna? satellite dish on roof? corner hydrant - 03/03/08 - 23:23
The thing I have noticed about the AT&T is that it is consistent. If I have 2 bars in my house then that’s what I have, not 4…6…3…1….4…5.5…. like sprint/nextel. I have 2 bars at all times in and around my house, and I’m fine with that. This week will be a good test for how I like the service in the real world as it’s back to work time. I am enjoying the Costco discount and the 30 day no questions asked deal. Allows me to keep hold to the ole nextel while I take a trial run with no commitment. CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/04/08 - 00:05
i’m always 5 bars at my house, and pretty high elsewhere (i’d say mosty 5), and yes, i also see consistency, so in places where it falls, it falls, like today at st. albans to no bars, and no bars at the first floor of barnes and noble, but otherwise, pretty consistent in my opinion too, no musical scales
has trouble, but still manages to pick up e-mail at close to zero bars at b&n, but much slower – using the e-mail portion more and more corner hydrant - 03/04/08 - 00:53
just checked the other family phone – 5 bars too corner hydrant - 03/04/08 - 00:56
This isn’t related to this blog, but I seem to remember silver mentioning a way to drop nextel w/o the early termination fee and I am in need of HELP! Silver if you can help pls give me a call @ 796 4775.
Thanks Aaron Bass (NH200A)
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February FireWatch 02/21/08 53 W, 1 I - + 15 - 16
SSP part 1. The February edition of FireWatch has been posted to the CTV site. The community television show is produced by the Raleigh Fire Department. This month's edition features an interview with RFD historian Mike Legeros, on the subject of the department's past line-of-duty deaths.
Hey Mike, you sound good… but next time, look at the camera a little more… we want to see all of your smiling face….... EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/22/08 - 01:00
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NIMS and ICS: From Compliance to Competence 02/21/08 51 W - + 16 - 11
SSP part 2. This month's issue of EMS Magazine features a feature from Wake County EMS Chief Skip Kirkwood. The topic is incident comment, and includes a summary of the nursing home evacuation in Fuquay-Varina on September 14, 2007. Good stuff, and with a few familiar photos.
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Raleigh Receives New Engine 02/21/08 48 W, 1 I - + 14 - 14
This 2008 Pierce Enforcer was delivered on Monday. Equipped with a 1500 GPM pump, a 500 gallon water tank, and 20 gallon foam cell, it's the replacement for Engine 9. Their old engine is planned for Engine 21, whose old engine will go into reserve. See more photos from Lee.
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Face Lift for Ladder 112 02/21/08 35 W, 2 I - + 15 - 14
Also noted by Lee in his photos from the shop, Ladder 112 is sporting a new look. The 1990 Spartan/LTI was damaged in April. Click to enlarge either of Lee's photos below:
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Yearbook Update 02/21/08 165 W - + 15 - 12
Raleigh Fire Department 2007: 95 Years of Tradition is nearly ready to send to the publisher. Last-minute orders can still be submitted online at www.mtpublishing.com. Look under Products, and Coming Soon. The hardcover book will number 160 pages. It will be sized 9 by 12 inches, and with all color pages. The yearbook is priced at $50, though that will increase in a couple weeks. At that point, the book will only be available in limited quantities through the publisher.
The yearbook will feature portraits of all personnel, plus over 100 retiree portraits. In addition, it will have photos of each station's personnel, one photo per shift. Dozens of action photos from Lee Wilson and Mike Legeros are featured, along with dozens of candid photos of personnel. Photos were also submitted by personnel and will be included. A history section explores the origins of the paid fire department in 1912. Over 60 historical images will be present in the book, including "then and now" apparatus pages. A guaranteed good read.
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One Tanker, Foamed 02/22/08 32 W, 1 I - + 17 - 10
Here's a picture from WRAL of that gas tanker in Johnston County that overturned. Chad Flowers snapped same. They flip one out there, what, every four months? Every eight?
Who still carries class B foam on their 1st out Engines? Anyone? It seems everyone is class A or cafs, not saying it’s good or bad, just curious. wcff - 02/22/08 - 16:12
Johnston County’s foam unit is housed at Selma Fire Department, which responded to the spill Fv28 - 02/22/08 - 17:19
If you look at all of the roads around the Selma Oil Terminal it easily explains why they respond to so many of them. Buffalo Rd, Old Beulah Rd, NC 96, NC 39, and all of the connecting roads are potentially treacherous, two-lane, rural roads. True, a lot of them go out to US 70, then to I-95. But a large number utilize US 301, with access via Old Beulah to Jerry Rd. And still more work their way around to NC 210.
It just goes to prove that you have to be ready for the hazards in your response area, and not just what is BUILT in your area. It includes what TRAVELS through your area. DJ (Email) - 02/23/08 - 10:44
DJ, well put. The same discussion could be made for Raleigh, with the railyards and the industrial areas that we have, or of Apex with the LP facility right by the highway. Maybe this would be a good discussion to start on — exactly what goes on in our areas, and how much we really know about what goes through them… EMS 7597 (Email) - 02/23/08 - 16:19
Oh yes. Pay attention to the trucks riding the back roads here in Wake County. There is a lot of #1203 placcards in 8,000 gallon capacities on some of these back roads. Drivers ost, taking short cuts, going to see a girlfriend, etc. And they drive like they are on I-95 still.
Sit at the railroad corssing while wating for CSX or NS to pass and translate the placcards. There is some pretty wicked sh** that rolls through here.
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IT also reminds me of a plane crash that happened in Georgia in the mid to late 70s or so when a Southern Airways DC9 had to land- right now. Landed on Main Street in a little place called New Hope, GA. I’ve Googled it and cannot find anything, but there was right up in Fire Engineering and Fire Chief (I think it happened before Firehouse came out).
That was an indication of “it CAN happen here”. You may not be able to prepare logistically for it, but you better have a plan in place. DJ (Email) - 02/24/08 - 09:20
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id..
Southern Airways DC-9
April 4, 1977
En route to Atlanta. Complete engine failure during thunderstorm. 60 fatalities, it looks like. Another 21 injured (?). Legeros - 02/24/08 - 09:25
More links: http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Av..).asp, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ai.. Legeros - 02/24/08 - 09:26
You know, if you push the right key you never know what you might find…
From WikiPedia-
January 6, 1960 – National Airlines Flight 2511, a Douglas DC6B bound from New York to Miami, crashes near Bolivia, North Carolina, when a bomb planted on board explodes in mid-air. All 34 people on board are killed.
September 11, 1974 – Eastern Air Lines Flight 212, a DC-9, crashes on approach to Charlotte, North Carolina; 72 of 82 people on board are killed.
January 24, 1961 – A B-52 bomber suffered a fire caused by a major leak in a wing fuel cell and exploded in midair 12 miles (19 km) north of Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, Goldsboro, North Carolina. The incident released the bomber’s two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs. Five crewmen parachuted to safety, but three died—two in the aircraft and one on landing. Three of the four arming devices on one of the bombs activated, causing it to carry out many of the steps needed to arm itself, such as the charging of the firing capacitors and, critically, the deployment of a 100-foot (30 m) diameter retardation parachute. The parachute allowed the bomb to hit the ground with little damage. The fourth arming device — the pilot’s safe/arm switch — was not activated, and so the weapon did not detonate. The other bomb plunged into a muddy field at around 700 mph (300 m/s) and disintegrated. Its tail was discovered about 20 feet (6 m) down and much of the bomb recovered, including the tritium bottle and the plutonium. However, excavation was abandoned because of uncontrollable flooding by ground water, and most of the thermonuclear stage, containing uranium, was left in situ. It was estimated to lie at around 180 feet (55 m). The Air Force purchased the land and fenced it off to prevent its disturbance, and it is tested regularly for contamination, although none has so far been found. [22] DJ (Email) - 02/24/08 - 11:29
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Lacking a Natural or Usual Covering (as of Hair, Vegetation, or Nap) 02/23/08 60 W - + 15 - 16
Raleigh Fire Department members go under the clippers on Saturday, March 1, at 2:00 p.m., at Hibernian Restaurant & Pub at 311 Glenwood Avenue. They are raising money for the St. Baldrick's Foundation. More information about the soon-to-shorn is available hair. You can also contribute online. Funds, that is, not locks.
Hey Mike! Don’t forget the St. Baldrick’s event on March 8th, at Napper Tandy’s. Lots of Firefighters, Police and EMS folks are shaving their heads to help find a cure for cancer. The event starts at 2:00pm! We’ve already raised over 27-thousand dollars! Come on down and support us by standing with us, joining a team, and getting your head shaved! Thanks Mike! Jonny - 02/23/08 - 17:21
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Loss-Less JPEG Rotation 02/24/08 118 W - + 11 - 12
Every time you save a JPEG image, such as a digital photograph, the quality is reduced. Depending upon the settings of the software that is re- saving the file, the reduction of quality can be minimal or worse. JPEG photos that are portrait-oriented, are often stored in cameras in landscape-orientation. The person taking picture just re-oriented the camera. But the images have to be rotated when shared or printed, lest the viewer think the photographer is a pain in the neck. One useful tool for rotating JPEG images is the viewer InfranView. It has a plug-in that performs loss-less rotation of JPEG images. Meaning, they are re-saved but without any loss of quality. Highly recommended application.
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Last Call for Telecommunicators and Call Takers 02/27/08 50 W, 1 I - + 15 - 16
The Raleigh-Wake County Emergency Communications Center is accepting applications through the end of this week for call takers and telecommunicators. They anticipate starting their next academy in May. For more information, see the city's employment web site.
Have any idea how long the academy will be? martin - 02/27/08 - 23:04
Twelve weeks of classroom followed by direct and indirect observation and training on the floor. RWECC - 02/29/08 - 18:34
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Emergency Fashion 02/28/08 25 W, 1 I - + 14 - 16
From a reader, here's a Hawaiian-style shirt with firefighter icons. Same is sold at Fireswap.com. Flashy, but could be a bit brighter...
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Fire Commission Work Session, Thursday, 3/6 02/28/08 79 W - + 15 - 15
The Wake County Fire Commission has scheduled a second work session for Thursday, March 6, at 6:30 PM, at the Wake EMS Training Facility, located in the lower level of the Wake County Commons Building at 4011 Carya Drive. The purpose of the work session is for the Fire Commission to prioritize elements of the Staffing and Facility components of the Long Range Business Plan. The latter was unanimously approved at the last work session on February 21, 2008.
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Vintage Drills 03/02/08 118 W, 4 I - + 12 - 15
Here's are some images with interesting things to see. Taken at the training center in the 1970s, the first shows the 1979 Mack/1958 American LaFrance tiller prior to its paint job and behind-the-cab bench seat (which was interesting place to ride once it was installed, let me tell you), the plastic fire helmets with numbered shields, someone with a yellow helmet, and some red striped socks worn by whomever is playing the victim. The second shows the smokehouse, apparently in action. The gloves in the foreground bear the initials W.R.F. Perhaps it's a last name + Raleigh Fire? The third picture shows a view from above. Helmet numbers of the pictured are #363, #104, #209, and #396. Click to enlarge:
The yellow helmets were worn by the guys on Rescue. The helmets were Chieftains and MSAs.
The suspension in side of the helmets were the same type found in construction hardhats. Some of the helmets had elastic chinstraps, others had leather. MSA also had a unique style to their leather shields- the ones with a metal medallion mounted the medallion high on the shield center. They also had a specific style of lettering on the MSAs, which can be seen in the numbers 6, 9, or 8 on one of the shields.
The shields were made by Plectron from Overton, NE. They also made alert monitors and pagers for volunteers back in the day.
Ahhh…and the smoke house picture brings back memories…nothing like eating smoke to put hair on your chest! DJ (Email) - 03/03/08 - 10:11
I think the yellow helmet is being worn by retired captain Jimmy Russell, the black helmet 363 is Chief Alan Walters,The person playing the victem is Captain Wayland Holden.I am not 100% sure but I think that is who they are. Kp (Email) - 03/03/08 - 20:25
Sorry, correction the correct helmet number for Chief Walters is 396 not 363. KP (Email) - 03/03/08 - 20:27
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Lightner Public Safety Center 03/03/08 52 W, 1 I - + 15 - 9
On February 19, the Raleigh City Council received a presentation of the design plan. You can watch and listen to the presentation as archived on the CTV site. Fast forward to the 38 minute mark of the February 19 video link. Also read this related press release. Image below from WRAL:
Speaking of developments, here’s a site with renderings of the Wake County Justice Center: http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/02/11/wa.. Legeros - 03/03/08 - 18:10
I guess the City of Oaks is onboard with dropping some dough on public safety as of late.. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/251.. CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/03/08 - 18:11
Note that the Fire Department gets ONE floor in the building. 911 operations are on an upper floor. jeff harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 03/04/08 - 09:22
Note that Wake County Fire employees like 20 people total… guest - 03/06/08 - 23:55
guest, how do you figure? confused - 03/07/08 - 09:00
to “Guest” —- this building is the RALEIGH public safety center. Wake County’s Justice Center is a separate project. The Raleigh Fire Department will have one floor (which is somewhere around 100 people, I figure), with 911 operations on an upper floor. Raleigh Police will have most of the rest of the building.
And you are correct, guest, in your estimation of the number of Wake County Public Safety Fire/Rescue Division officials who actually have offices in the current Wake County Public Safety Center, but they will move to the new building when it is built. However, there are more than just 20 people employed by Wake County Fire/Rescue – think about all the instructors who help out at WCFTC, they aren’t all Wake Tech folks, and there are others I’m sure I’m forgetting. EMS 7597 (Email) - 03/07/08 - 19:25 https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1378[10/14/2019 8:01:19 PM] Lightner Public Safety Center - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
any museum/archival/exhibition facilities, or future space set up for such? corner hydrant - 03/08/08 - 00:31
Maybe I missed it, but where is the relocation to the CITY bldg of WCFR cited? I see moving the EOCs to one bldg, but not to a joint EOC which makes no sense. Concerned Taxpayer - 03/08/08 - 12:27
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Disaster in the City 03/04/08 42 W, 1 I - + 16 - 10
From a reader comes this stunning shot from the Maldives, an island nation in the Indian Ocean. (This blogger is not necessary smarter than a Fifth Grader.) The photo is by Ali Nishan, posted to his Flickr site:
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Live Line Electrical Demo Tonight, New Hope Station 2 03/04/08 115 W, 1 I - + 17 - 11
Event reminder. Progress Energy is conducting its 911 Live Line Electrical Demonstration for fire, rescue, and law enforcement personnel tonight from 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. at Wake-New Hope Fire Department Station 2, 4409 Watkins Road, Wendell. They will recreate live-voltage scenarios such as downed power lines, trees on lines, vehicle wrecks involving power lines, antennas, cranes, ladders getting in power lines, and dig-ins on underground facilities. They will also discuss how Progress Energy responds to 911 emergency calls. Attend and better understand the dangers of electricity and the safety required while working around energized facilities. The event is open to any responders who wish to attend.
I have not personally attended this, but I know others who have been to this same training and said it was very good. I would encourage those who have the time to go. Griggs - 03/04/08 - 10:10
Great demonstration. I attended one held at Pike Electric a few years ago. Very informative and eye opening! DCJDean (Email) - 03/04/08 - 10:32
There is also one today (March 4th) at Cary FD Station 6 from 12-5.
Western Wake Station 1 will also be hosting them during the week contact them for the schedule. CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/04/08 - 10:41
Bay Leaf this thursday night @ 7pm. Hubbell (Email) - 03/04/08 - 10:54
Anyone able to provide a contact to see where else and when this is going to be presented in the coming months? This is the first I have heard about it (I guess I need to get out more…) DJ (Email) - 03/06/08 - 12:29
It will be @ Bayleaf tonight 3/6 and back at Western Wake tomorrow 3/7. Not sure where it is going after tomorrow. Like some others have https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1380[10/14/2019 8:01:32 PM] Live Line Electrical Demo Tonight, New Hope Station 2 - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
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Electricity 03/04/08 45 W, 4 I - + 15 - 10
From tonight's highly informative demonstration by Progress Energy at New Hope Station 2, here are sequential images of high voltage electricity as conducted by a metal-coated balloon, a rubber boot, a hot dog (as substitute for human flesh), and a tree limb. Click to enlarge:
Excellent demo. We video taped the presentation for future training opportunities, hopefully the audio will come out. Good turnout: Raleigh, Rolesville, Wendell, Eastern Wake, WSO, Archers Lodge, and Bay Leaf had members present. AB - 03/04/08 - 23:27
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Been a while since we've seen some boomers. Was there just one working fire overnight, the townhomes at 7530 McCrimmon Parkway in Cary? Alarm time around 11 p.m., says WRAL. Lightning strike, damage mostly to attic, they add.
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WakeMed Mobile Communications and Coordination Center 03/06/08 22 W, 1 I - + 16 - 12
Seen on Sunnybrook Road, at the WakeMed Special Operations facility. Made by LDV. Click to enlarge:
Anyone know how much this is actually used? When does it go out? Has it been used before? Native Charlottean (Email) - 03/10/08 - 20:32
I think they’ve only had it a few weeks. Olson - 03/10/08 - 23:08
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Salisbury 03/08/08 26 W, 1 I - + 20 - 9
FireNews has posted information and links about yesterday's tragedy in Salisbury that killed Firefighter Justin Monroe and Firefighter Victor Isler. May they rest in peace.
God Bless to our fallen brothers and the families…RIP LeBeau - 03/08/08 - 15:41
Our thoughts and prayers are with their families. May God be with the fallen. Falls201 - 03/09/08 - 15:38
Per the Charlotte Observer, a procession will take place today, transporting the bodies of the fallen from Charlotte back to Salisbury, in preparation for funeral arrangements: http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/s.. Legeros - 03/10/08 - 07:31
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Fire Station, Fire Apparatus Footage Sought 03/08/08 52 W - + 17 - 11
Do you have video footage of our area's oldest or newest fire stations, inside or out? Or our area's newest fire apparatus deliveries? There's a firefighter to our north who is working on a project, and will pay for footage. Mail Mike for his e-mail address.
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Pierce in Snow 03/09/08 36 W, 1 I - + 14 - 7
From a reader, here's Raleigh's new pumper before it left the factory in Wisconsin. 2008 Pierce Enforcer with a 1,500 GPM pump, a 500 gallon water tank, and 20 gallon foam cell. Future Engine 9. Click to enlarge:
Any word on where the current E-9 is going? guest - 03/09/08 - 23:42
According to an article placed on here by Lee, showing the truck right after it arrived in Raleigh. It stated that this was to replace Engine 9, Current 9 to 21, current 21 to reserve. And the possibility of the reserve Mack going on the auction block rnln (Email) - 03/09/08 - 23:52
Well, E-20 is currently riding E-221, which I think is the old E-21 (Pierce w/ the bigger motor). If that’s true, what is 21 currently riding on? Silver - 03/11/08 - 13:03
I thought that E-221 was the old E-16????? 4447 - 03/11/08 - 18:25
221 is old 21. 21 is on a Quality. Not sure which one though. guest 2 - 03/12/08 - 09:22
Would be nice for 20 to be swapped out…the current 20 saw some hard driving when it was at 2, we shall see though… Silver - 03/12/08 - 13:23
Engine 21 will be running on old engine 9 a 2002 quality, where will the 1995 pierce that 21 was running on go to, maybe reserve 222? The 1997 pierce that was engine 16 went to reserve 221. Adam - 03/12/08 - 15:11
Where did old E-8 and E-2 go? I thought one of them went to 21. guest 2 - 03/12/08 - 17:08
old engine 8 a 1999 quality went to engine 27, old engine 2 went to engine 19 hope that helps. all information is pulled from legeros site. Adam - 03/12/08 - 17:27 https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1387[10/14/2019 8:02:00 PM] Pierce in Snow - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
engine 2 was a 2000 quality Adam - 03/12/08 - 17:27
Currently, 21 is riding a Pierce Saber (old 16?). They WILL get the Quality that is currently Engine 9 when 9 gets the sweet, new Pierce. Silver - 03/12/08 - 19:05
Hey Silver. If I remember correctly, Eng 21 got old Engine 15 Jon C - 03/12/08 - 19:09
In 1995/96 the 2 newest engines to RFD were the Pierce Dash with the 60 series Detroit motors. They would FLY, Engine 11 and 15 got their new rigs after we loaded the hose on them in the 96 academy! Engine 11 was replaced with one of the Quality engines, and the dash went to 21. While engine 15 rode on the dash until it was replaced in 06 with the new Pierce. E-11 since 96 has been a Pierce, Quality and back to a Pierce. E-15 has only had the 95 Pierce and the 06 Pierce.28 is riding on old 15’s Pierce Dash. Jason Lane - 03/16/08 - 11:04
Thanks for the run down “J”. By the way, for those that missed out, the District Pipes and Drums were PHENOMENAL yesterday!!!! They definitely stole the crowd. Great job, looking forward to next year (Savannah?)!! Silver - 03/16/08 - 14:58
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The Science of Experience 03/10/08 66 W - + 17 - 13
Seen on someone else's blog, this exceptionally interesting article in Time magazine investigates how people get good at what they do. Quote: "[the researcher's] primary finding is that rather than mere experience or even raw talent, it is dedicated, slogging, generally solitary exertion [...] that leads to first-rate performance. And it should never get easier; if it does, you are coasting, not improving."
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Random History of RFD 03/10/08 437 W - + 17 - 11
The rent of the house on Method Road, used as Station 8 in the early 1960s, was $100 a month commencing April 1, 1960. It was located north of Seymour's Auto Service... In 1969 on an unspecified date, the Public Works Committee recommended that the same architectural designs used for Station 4, Station 8, and Station 9 be used for any new fire stations to be constructed. Recommendation approved. No kidding... The fire department work week was reduced to 66 hours effective February 1, 1970. This action required 24 additional men: 6 captains, 7 drivers, and 11 privates... The bid amount for the first Mack CF pumpers was $33,580.52 (per truck), plus $3,400 for additional equipment. Five bids were received, unknown which other apparatus makers... By 1971, the price of a Mack pumper had increased to $40,928... The Six Forks Road Volunteer Fire Department was contracted by the city in 1960 to protect city territory north of Crabtree Creek, for $350 a month, until a fire station could be built... City minutes from 1961. "The Council was informed that firemen tore down old Fire Station No. 5 to make way for the new station, thereby saving the City considerable money, and that the material will be used to building a smoke house back of the present fire tower for training firemen. The Council expressed appreciation and commended Chief Keeter and members of his department for their cooperation"... The bidders for a 750 GPM pumper in 1949 were Howe, Pirsch, Oren, Mack, American LaFrance, Maxim, Ward LaFrance, and Seagrave. The award went to Mack, for $13,300... Bids for the tiller in 1957 were submitted by only two companies, American LaFrance and Seagrave... City minutes from 1958: "The City Manager reported that the cooking range at Central Fire Station was worn out and after investigation it was recommended that it be replaced by a heavy-duty restaurant type stove, and he requested the Council to authorize a transfer of $675 within the department for the purchase of the stove"... The expense of supplying air conditioning to the fire stations was approved in 1971... In January 1951, construction of an additional room at Station 4 was approved. It would be used as a kitchen, with firefighters providing the labor... City minutes from 1953, regarding acquisition of a Civil Defense rescue truck for the fire department: "the truck must be considered as a piece of stand-by equipment subject to call to Norfolk, Virginia, in the event of an attack by enemy forces"... The bid price in 1926 for a new American LaFrance pumper was $12,500. The city received a $1,500 discount, for trading an old Type 12 pumper... Salaries in 1947-48 included $2,700 for Asst. Chief A. B. Lloyd, $2,460 for mechanic May T. Parker, $2,040 for the newest firemen, and $1,560 for each of the three telephone operations.
Mike,
Speaking of history and the current lack of working fires in Raleigh within the last week or so…in your research throughout the years, have you noticed or discovered a similar lull in working fires? I’m also wondering how the number of working fires in today’s time compare to the number of fires in yesteryear…more, less, about the same? As always, just curious. RFD574 - 03/14/08 - 18:34
That is an interesting question, and one that’s difficult to answer. My historical data is too spotty to fully answer the question. But we can make some observations.
In 1925, there were 8 working fires that used 3 or more lines. That year, RFD answered 338 calls. So, those 8 fires represented 2.4%.
In 1930, there were 6 working fires that used 3 or more lines. Out of 458 calls, they represented 1.3%
In 1935, there were 7 such fires. Out of 562 calls, they represented 1.2%
In 1949, there were 4 such fires. Out of 698 calls, they represented .5%
Call volume rising, and fires requiring 3 or more lines dropping. But it’s just a sampling, and not necessarily with 100% valid data.
Last year, RFD answered nearly 35,000 calls. Let’s say 40% of those were non-EMS calls. And using those early 20th century percentages, let’s compute 1.5% of 14,000, or 210.
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Last year, were there 210 fires that required 3 or more lines? That would be comparable to the 1930s, roughly, vaguely, possibly.
Ask again in another year or two, as I am always adding to my historical data. Legeros - 03/14/08 - 19:34
Paul has the capability to gather fire info from our Firehouse – giving a reasonably accurate accounting of working fires. The 3 or more lines part may be slightly more difficult to break down though. goose - 03/14/08 - 21:22
Here’s a fire report form from 1931, http://www.legeros.com/ralwake/raleigh/h..
In days of old, when knights were bold, these forms were tallied in a oversized ledger books, with multiple columns of data. I’ve done one round of transcription, recording all fires using three lines or more. e.g., major or pretty good-sized fires. Someday I’ll return and record all fires, or, heck, all calls. Legeros - 03/15/08 - 07:17
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Fire Commission Meeting, March 20, 2008 03/15/08 41 W - + 13 - 16
The next meeting of the Wake County Fire Commission is Thursday, March 20, at 7:00 PM, at the Wake County EMS Training Facility, which is located in the lower level of the Wake County Commons Building on Carya Drive.
The agenda:
Call meeting to order Invocation Roll of members present Approval of Agenda
Minutes Adoption of Minutes for January 17th, 2008, Regular Meeting Adoption of Minutes for February 21st, 2008, Special Called Meeting Adoption of Minutes for March 6th, 2008, Special Called Meeting
Regular Agenda Apparatus Committee Facility Committee Fire Commission Committee Structure
Information Agenda FY 09 Fire Tax District Budget Development Long Range Business Plan Update Chair Report Fire/Rescue Services Director Report
Other Business
Public Comments 30 minutes maximum time allotted, Maximum 3 minutes per person
Adjournment Reminder: May meeting rescheduled to May 8, 2008. Legeros - 03/18/08 - 19:13
Anyone on the blog care to share highlights? Any progress to report on renumbering the units? I seem to remember something about a recommendation at this mtg from some of the past posts here.
Who’s getting new trucks next year and people to run them? Any Big Water tankers in the future? Concerned Taxpayer - 03/22/08 - 19:44
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Atlanta's Tornado 03/16/08 47 W, 1 I - + 12 - 14
Shane Durrance was atop his condo off Howell Mill Road when he shot this stunning (to say the least) photo of the EF-2 tornado that struck downtown Atlanta, reports this news article. The tornado is the light-gray vertical strip in the picture. Click to enlarge:
Looks like there might be two…see one smaller to the left by the free-standing tower with triangle top (if the large light grey cloud in the center of the photo is supposed to be “the” tornado) Boggs - 03/19/08 - 13:54
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Raleigh's Tornado 03/16/08 108 W, 1 I - + 19 - 18
Ours was a suburban storm the morning of November 28, 1988. Unseasonable humid the night before. I remember rattling windows through the night at my apartment on Calumet Drive. Woke around 5 or 5:30 a.m. for my traffic-reporting shift. Scanner was full of activity. Called the police desk, asking if a major fire was working somewhere. No, just the tornado. Insert exclamation points. Here's a summary of the weather event. The Wikipedia page is rather slim, however. Here's a News & Observer retrospective. Gary Knight took this aerial image of the K-Mart parking lot on Glenwood Avenue, used for command and staging. Others can add more memories. Click to enlarge:
I remember that mess. Rode backwards on a Mack for 8.5 hrs that night..from call to call to call to… AB - 03/17/08 - 17:01
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Fire Call, 1963 03/16/08 53 W - + 15 - 13
Found an interesting entry in the 1963 fire reports for Raleigh. Tanker 9 to Raleigh-Durham Airport Road, aid for Morrisville. Undoubtedly a fire of some sort. Who else would have been called for water back then? Fairground. Cary Rural. Someone from Durham County? The microfilm newspaper archives at Olivia Raney should tell more.
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Raleigh's Original Tiller Found and For Sale 03/17/08 169 W, 2 I - + 14 - 15
The city's original tiller has surfaced in downtown Smithfield. Found by fellow fire photographer Carter Rabil, it's sitting in an open lot behind Boykin Motors at 650 S. Brightleaf Boulevard. Less than hour's drive from Raleigh, even on a Monday after work! The 1939/1916 American LaFrance served as Truck 1 until 1958, then as a reserve ladder for several years. It may also have seen service as Truck 6. The cab is a 500 Series, the ladder is a Type 17.
The wooden, two-section, 75-foot ladder was spring-raised for the initial elevation, then hand-cranked the rest of the way. Last seen sitting behind Station 8 in the early 1980s, the truck was sold as surplus and sat outside in Apex for the next 20 years. It was recently relocated to Johnston County, and will be auctioned on the second Saturday in April. See more photos of the apparatus. Or watch some old film footage showing the truck in action. Pictures forthcoming from this afternoon's visit.
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Random notes about this truck…
Personnel periodically refinished the wooden ladders. They’d scrape off the old varnish using broken glass.
The ladders were stored in a single rack, which rendered the tiller seat that much higher.
The tiller seat swung to the side, and the steering wheel was removed to raise the ladder.
The steering column was also removed, when the ground ladders were removed.
The ladder was raised by pressing a pedal, which released a lock, which caused a spring to raise the ladder by 30 or degrees.
The remaining elevation was achieved by hand-crank. Two additional cranks extended or retracted the second section.
A fourth crank on the turnable rotated the ladder.
The truck was stored at Station 6 for a period of time. To accommodate the length, a window was removed and a metal shell was added to protect the ladder that poked out. Legeros - 03/18/08 - 21:09
Broken glass? Now that’s funny!! Silver - 03/19/08 - 12:52
whats so funy about that Silver? We’ve done the same to rehab axe handles. 7driver - 03/21/08 - 10:41
Really Ron? I would’ve thought in todays time, there’s another way to do that versus using broken glass. Silver - 03/21/08 - 16:01
Hi, I found you web site through the article in the SPAAMFAA publication Silver Trumpet. I work for the Reno (NV) FD and we are restoring our 1917 ALF Type 17-6 85’ tillered aerial ladder. I would like to talk to whoever bought this rig and see what their plans for it are. It would be good to be able to talk to someone who also is working on a rig like ours. Our web site is below if you are interested. http://www.iaff731.com/History/Apparatus.. Jon Wagner (Email) - 05/01/08 - 13:17
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Strange Poles? 03/20/08 50 W, 1 I - + 13 - 12
What's the purpose of those enormous, rust-colored, pulley-equipped poles being erected around the Fairgrounds? From a reader, it's 230KV tap line from Progress Energy. Thing's been planned for years. Here's more information including a map. Wonder how they'll string the lines? Helicopter?
How about those fake, ugly, trees up on Wakefield Pines Dr and the one in cary close to Harrison Avnue 4447 - 03/20/08 - 09:15
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Sling Bag Camera Bags 03/20/08 29 W, 1 I - + 13 - 10
Saw one of these recently, a sling bag camera bag by Lowepro. Designed to go from "carry mode" to "ready mode" in seconds. Pretty cool.
very cool, but definitely not female friendly for DD cup size – real obstacle to getting the bag to the front – same problem with some of those new laptop bags – those things really get in the way corner hydrant - 03/20/08 - 12:39
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Light and Space Where Fire Alarms Once Rang 03/20/08 18 W, 1 I - + 12 - 12
Today's New York Times tours a 1931 firehouse-turned-residence in Rhode Island.
what a spectacular art space!! I WANT ONE!! corner hydrant - 03/20/08 - 12:31
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DC-1 03/22/08 33 W, 1 I - + 17 - 15
The Wake County EMS district chief's cars have been lettered with larger identification letters and numbers on the rear windows, if you haven't seen them lately:
I like it. I would also like to see larger numbers on the ambulances as well, about the same size. DJ (Email) - 03/23/08 - 17:33
I wonder if District 5 and 6 is going to get the large letter’s and numbers like that? Citizen - 03/23/08 - 19:01
Yes, and Wake County EMS on the side to. Citizen 43 - 03/26/08 - 09:04
[ Anonymous, pot-stirring, off-topic comments and responses (included one signed response, sorry about that) removed. Go nuts over at the Watch Desk, or mail Mike with either blog topic ideas or official news to report. ] Legeros - 03/28/08 - 06:28
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Join the Raleigh Fire Department 03/22/08 60 W - + 16 - 11
Raleigh is again hiring firefighters. Applications are being accepted March 24 through May 2. Visit the fire recruitment site for more information, including a recruitment packet for download (MS Word format). Starting salary is $31,117, says the city employment page. The recruitment process page lists key dates, and the projected start of the next academy: August 25, 2008. Good luck.
Does anyone know what the agility test will be like this testing period? In Shape? - 03/27/08 - 12:06
CPAT CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/27/08 - 18:05
I wouldn’t be so sure about that….might be something a lil’ different. Hmmmm - 03/27/08 - 19:54
So what are they going to use this year? I noticed on the site that the only link for the recruitment info not working is the section for the PAT. Notice I said PAT and not CPAT, so anyone have any info to offer up? CPAT again, something like the FF Challenge, a modified CPAT, RFD’s old obstacle course? Coop - 03/28/08 - 17:41
I “heard” that the CPAT won’t be used for the next academy because not enough females were passing the test and the department needs to increase it’s number of female employees. I also heard that they are planning on hiring around 65 (no typo, you read right, sixty-five) recruits. RescueRanger - 03/28/08 - 19:07
Ok pay attention! There will not be the CPAT as the physical test!!!!!!!!!!!! You are correct on that! The test will be very much like the old test with some new things added in the obstacle course like a push pull and a sledge hammer drill like the cpat machine. I might be wrong but I am almost 100% sure the 1.5 mile run and ladder raise and sled drag will still be there. They have the new obstacle course set up on the top deck by the old smoke house. Now for the numbers on how many they are going to hire is open. They are predicting 50 our so BUT they will not be definite until the budget gets approved! That is coming straight from the training center! I’ll give up more info when it is passed along! but for now I say anyone looking to come join the ranks apply!!!!!!!!!! Jason Lane - 03/28/08 - 19:49
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Future Durham Fire Stations 03/22/08 134 W, 1 I - + 17 - 13
Speaking of public documents available online, the Public Protection section of the city of Durham 2008-2013 Capital Improvement Program Book lists quite a few fire stations planned for our friends to the west. The plans include:
Station 1 - Upgrades. (2008-2010) Station 7 - Renovations. (2012-2014) Station 9 - Rebuilt near Midland and Camden Street. (2008-2010) Station 10 - Rebuilt in same general area. (2013-2016) Station 12 - Upgrades. (2007-2010) Station 15 - Built in far northern area of city. (2006-2008) Station 17 - Built in northeastern area of city. (2010-2012) Station 18 - Built in northeastern area of city. (2011-2013) Station 19 - Built in far southern area of city. (2014-2017) Station 20 - Built in southern area of city. (2013-2015) Station 21 - Built in southern area of city. (2014-2016) Station 22 - Built in northern area of city. (2015-2017)
By way of comparison, here are similar CIP documents for Raleigh and Cary.
http://www.raleigh-nc.org/portal/server... http://www.townofcary.org/depts/budget/c.. Legeros - 03/22/08 - 21:49
And a couple more…
Charlotte – http://www.charmeck.org/NR/rdonlyres/esl..
Chapel Hill – http://www.townofchapelhill.org/Document..
Greensboro – http://www.greensboro-nc.gov/NR/rdonlyre..
Winston-Salem – http://www.cityofws.org/Assets/CityOfWS/.. Legeros - 03/22/08 - 21:59
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9 Digital Camera Settings for Every Photographer to Discover 03/23/08 42 W - + 11 - 13
Here's a great web article on using these digital camera settings: exposure bracketing, histograms, burst mode, full manual mode, RAW file format, custom white balance, aperture and shutter priority mode, ISO, and white balance.
great site with some really cool links and tuts!! thanks mike!! corner hydrant - 03/24/08 - 19:24
at the risk of perhaps causing some misunderstanding tuts = tutorials – i have a habit of abbreviating everything corner hydrant - 03/25/08 - 00:46
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This Afternoon's Fire 03/26/08 84 W, 1 I - + 11 - 17
Two alarms at 3917 Knickerbocker Parkway. Three-story, wood-frame apartments with 13,896 square-feet. Rescue 14 first on scene, reporting major working fire. Ladder 16 and Ladder 20 operating, after interior crews brought out. Engines 14, 17, 16, 8, 23, 6, 9, 18, Ladders 16, 20, 23, Rescues 14, 7, Battalions 4, 3, Air 8, and Cars 195, 20, 5, 4, 2, 1 among the fire units initially on scene. EMS units included EMS 2, 1, 11, 14, 123, DC-1, Truck 1, and Chief 200. News & Observer reports 29 people displaced from 12 units. Alarm time about 1:45 p.m. Controlled after an hour. Crews still on scene, and extinguishing hot spots into evening.
The second video clip at http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?sectio.. shows 13+ minutes of raw aerial footage from, say, 30-40 minutes into the incident. Legeros - 03/27/08 - 17:39
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Fire Safety Starts at Home 03/28/08 51 W, 1 I - + 18 - 13
Pop, flash, scorch, and a demonstration of the danger of frayed electrical cords. File under hazards hiding in plain sight, or how long have you not been noticing that, jack a@@? Next up, buying the wife a new hair dryer.
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Blue Rescue #2 03/28/08 29 W, 1 I - + 20 - 16
Garner EMS has repainted and re-lettered Squad 882. Their secondary rescue unit, formerly yellow-green, is now a striking dark blue over white:
Sharp looking truck Garner! I never did like the faded yellow. YFD482 - 03/28/08 - 23:25
Here’s another blue stunner, built by the builders of the present 881. Honolulu Police command vehicle: http://www.evi- fl.com/fire/deliveries/re.. Legeros - 03/29/08 - 07:11
2 rescue trucks at Garner? Do they serve different purposes? Can’t imagine what else they need that isn’t on #1 CFD334 - 03/30/08 - 15:48
I think they run 882 as reserve only and if the volunteers show up they can take it. 4447 - 03/30/08 - 20:45
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Eastern Wake Chevrons 03/29/08 26 W, 1 I - + 17 - 20
2008 Pierce Contender, 1000 gallons, 1250 GPM, delivered in February, presently in service at Eastern Wake Fire Department Station 2. Photographed by Lee Wilson. See more photos.
Why no amber lighting on the rear?
Bonus point awarded for the chevrons and painted roll-up doors. harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 03/29/08 - 16:26
The arrow stick probably serves as their amber lighting. guest - 03/29/08 - 18:44
Kudos on the chevrons, but to me they kind of blend into the overall appearance of the rig. I’m sure it stands out at night, but during the day I just don’t see it. I do agree to change some of the lenses/LEDs on the perimeter of the truck to amber, but that’s just me. I do like the painted roll up doors, if you’re going to go roll up, go painted, it looks so much better.
The proposed changes to NFPA 1901 state: 15.9.3.2 At least of 50% of the rear vertical surfaces of the apparatus shall be equipped with a minimum 4 inch alternating yellow and red chevron retroreflective striping sloping downward and away from the centerline of the vehicle at an angle of 45 degrees. CFP 7021 (Email) - 03/29/08 - 19:26
Shev, I agree, the chevrons would look better with red and yellow… Silver - 03/29/08 - 22:14
now, the artist in me would like to see the side white stripe, continuing into the white back chevron and would also like to see the whole back chevroned, except for the eastern wake plaque and numbers, which would then need wider yellow borders, or maybe no borders at all – just keeping the chevrons at a certain distance would create a frame in itself (OK, now i’m nitpicking – if i’m a pain, delete me mike) – these are just my esthetic observations and also observations from someone who’s vision is not that good corner hydrant - 03/30/08 - 00:56
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Press F11 when Viewing Incident Photos 03/30/08 48 W, 1 I - + 18 - 16
Here's a tip when viewing our incident photos. Press F11, which activates the web browser's full-screen mode. Depending on your screen resolution, this may negate the need for vertical scrolling with portrait-oriented images. Works with both Internet Explorer and Firefox web browsers.
anyone knows how to get this to work on a mac? i’m always scrolling since i’m on a 13” F11 just sends all my program windows to the periphery – all open windows, browsers, itunes, etc corner hydrant - 03/30/08 - 21:38
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D.C. Medics to Treat Overuse of 911 03/30/08 79 W - + 17 - 17
Some time back, we discussed fire prevention programs and what the equivalent might look like on the EMS side. Or maybe that was a Watch Desk thread. Seen this week on Firehouse.com, a program starting in Washington D.C. to reduce unnecessary calls for the fire department. Paramedics will periodically check on residents who routinely call 911 for chronic but non-emergency health problems. Here's the story that originated in the Washington Times.
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Call for Photos: EMS & Rescue Trucks, 1960s to 1980s 03/30/08 117 W - + 19 - 12
David Elliott, a firefighter-paramedic in South Carolina and former Parkwood FD member and Orange County Rescue Chief, is finishing a book on the history of EMS and rescue in the state/region. He's seeking pictures of EMS and rescue trucks from the 1960s through the 1980s, in particular vehicles from Durham, Martin, New Hanover, Orange, and Wake Counties. These include units operated by fire departments, rescue squads, EMS agencies, and hospitals including critical care units and helicopters. If providing scans of photos, try these specs:
300 DPI or higher 8 x 10 inch image size or larger
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City of Raleigh Code of Ordinances 03/30/08 107 W - + 14 - 14
Here's an interesting site, the Code of Ordinances for the city of Raleigh. Observe some of the older language in the Fire Protection and Prevention section. There's over 150 years of history behind those ordinances and their objectives. On the role of the Fire Chief: "During fires and inspections [they] shall control all fireplugs, maintain order among the firefighters, and do all things proper for the efficient operation of the department." On fire alarm equipment: "It shall be unlawful for any person to interfere with the fire alarm telegraph or the poles, wires, fire-police emergency boxes, or other apparatus." And so on.
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Fire Station Uses Rain Water To Wash Vehicles 03/31/08 49 W, 1 I - + 16 - 16
Two rain barrels have been installed at Station 8. The pair of 250-gallon containers are being used to wash vehicles. Read the press release. Below is a photo of one, plus a newly installed emergency generator:
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Sunday Morning's Fire 03/31/08 80 W, 1 I - + 20 - 14
Two alarms at 4703 Bayridge Crossing. Dispatched 4:48 a.m. Engine 19 arriving at a two-story, wood-frame apartment building with 10,816 square-feet. Battalion 1 requested a second alarm about 10 minutes later. Units on scene included E19, E15, E11, E27, E22, E28, E7, New Hope E2, E21, L11, L22, R19, R7, B1, B3, C20, C5, C2, A8, EMS 5, 16, 2, D1, D3, T1. Crews remained on scene through the morning. Eight second-story apartments destroyed, and at least 10 residents displaced, reports WTVD. Picture below from Lee:
Nice pic .. it was still burning then. I remember talking to the person who was taking the pic. Can I use this pic for personal use? 1503 resident - 04/02/08 - 17:46
Yes, you can use the picture. I don’t think it was me that you talked to though. You can see more at flickr.com/photos/leewilson lee - 04/03/08 - 22:31
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A Day in the Life of a Fireman, 1903 03/31/08 65 W - + 20 - 17
From a reader, here's a great silent movie showing turn-of-the-century firefighters in action. The six-minute film was directed by Edwin S. Porter and George S. Fleming, and features a number of horse-drawn rigs. Chief's buggy, hose wagon, steamer, and ladder, they're all there. More information about the film and the filmmakers.
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Doesn’t look like there was much of a staffing problem back then. DJ (Email) - 03/31/08 - 19:36
I partially agree with DJ. But i feel the problem perused not because of staffing but the disorder with accumulated those days between the firemens.
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Spectacular Storm Chasing 04/01/08 39 W, 2 I - + 11 - 8
As storm season approaches, some spectacular storm photos have been posted on London's Daily Mail web site. They're from a new book called Adventures in Tornado Alley: The Storm Chasers by Mike Hollingshead and Eric Nguyen.
“Storm Chaser: A Photographer’s Journey” is a really good one too! corner hydrant - 04/02/08 - 16:08
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Fire Dynamics Illustrated 04/03/08 40 W, 1 I - + 11 - 8
Compelling photos posted on Firegeezer provide examples of a flashover in Ocean City, MD. He also links to Dave Statter's coverage of the nine-alarm fire, who links to some strong photography on the Bethany Beach FD site.
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Shoot, Don't Shoot 04/03/08 49 W - + 16 - 11
While we're linking to other blogs, Dave Statter offers his perspective on cameras, officials, and homeland security. His context is a incident in Washington D.C. on Sunday involving a person asked to delete pictures of a security checkpoint. Read the reader comments for maximum effect.
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A Camera for the Shot You Missed 04/03/08 32 W - + 10 - 14
While we're talking photography, today's New York Times reviews a new digital camera from Casio that shoots 60 shots per second. That's right, 60 shots per second.
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Hazard Found in Burlington Fire Check 04/03/08 87 W - + 14 - 8
If you missed it, here's the News & Observer story that opened "a routine inspection [...] last month found a chemical supply that could have killed hundreds of people and harmed thousands more." On February 14, they report, a BFD inspector found 856,000 pounds of sodium hydrosulfite. That's a highly combustible powder that produces the highly toxic gas sulfur dioxide. Stats, facts, and scenarios follow. However, notes a quoted emergency management official, the situation is not an emergency and there's no possibility of imminent danger.
Also, today’s paper offers an editorial on the subject, http://www.newsobserver.com/print/thursd.. Legeros - 04/03/08 - 05:40
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Raleigh RIT Training 04/03/08 90 W, 1 I - + 11 - 14
For the last couple of weeks, Raleigh firefighters have been conducting Rapid Intervention Team (RIT) training at 9400 Forum Drive. The location is a vacant commercial building, formerly used as a charter school. The one beside the cafeteria, and whose parking lot was used as a playground during the week. (The school would block both ends, so the kids could mill about.) The training has been the source of those hair- raising "mayday" calls on the radio, for those scanning all talkgroups. Lee has posted pictures of the drills.
It is great to see you guys out there doing this important kind of training, I’ve got a quick question for those that have participated, who is the battalion chief in charge of this drill or who is in charge? Thanks in advance for your help. dear raleigh ffs - 04/05/08 - 00:53
With access to this facility, it would be great to see Raleigh partner with Wake County Fire-Rescue and try to expand this training to the County departments. RIT is something that we need to advance countywide on a more consistent basis. Olson - 04/05/08 - 12:18
dear raleigh ffs, send an email to me ref your question and the need to know who is in charge. [email protected] lee - 04/05/08 - 21:58
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More City Ordinances 04/03/08 76 W - + 13 - 10
Digging through the archives, here are city ordinances pertaining to the fire department from 1867, 1908, and 1929. Compare to their present versions, which are available online as noted in a prior posting. Note the references in the early versions to pulling down and blowing up buildings. Hooks attached to ropes and chains were used for the former, to help create fire breaks. It's also the origin of "hook and ladder" in reference to fire equipment.
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Hands-Only CPR Works 04/04/08 60 W - + 15 - 11
From a reader and likely old news for responders, here are a pair of CNN stories on revised CPR recommendations: chest compressions, as soon as possible and with no interruptions even for rescue breathing. First story, about an American Heart Association announcement. Second story, about responders in Glendale, AZ. And here's the AHA site on hands-only CPR.
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Smokehouse Date Sought 04/04/08 53 W, 1 I - + 18 - 10
Does anyone know anyone who knows when the smokehouse was built at the Keeter Training Center? It was built by firefighters between September 1962 and August 1964, and built using the bricks from old Station 5. Firefighters demolished that station, which was located beside the present station. Mail Mike if you can help.
Are there any immediate plans to renovate the smokehouse? The smokehouse is about the only thing left at KTC that hasn’t been overhauled in some shape or form. Wondering - 04/04/08 - 08:43
I was out there this week, and it appears some work was being done to it. Mikey L, I saw your car there too, cna you fill us in on what its’ status is? Silver - 04/04/08 - 11:20
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Bay Leaf Firefighter Fights For Her Life 04/04/08 61 W, 1 I - + 14 - 10
A member of the Bay Leaf Fire Department is fighting for her life against illness. The friends and family of Paula Sukenik welcome your thoughts, prayers, and support. You can learn more, or leave a message for her to read upon her recovery at caringbridge.org/visit/paulasukenik.
This is a very special lady to us at Bay Leaf. She is a wonderful person who has always done ANYTHING for anyone else. Its time for us to take care of her now. Please say a prayer for her often and/or leave her a message on the site provided. Thank you Mike for putting this up. mk (Email) - 04/09/08 - 12:25
We now have another Angel in heaven looking after us!!!!!!!! God Bless you Paula you will be missed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Please keep Paula’s girls and all the brothers at Bayleaf in your thoughts and prayers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you need us don’t hesitate to call. Jason Lane - 04/12/08 - 16:52
Rest in Peace Paula. Watch over your proud FF’s in Bay Leaf Town. They performed very well today (Sat). My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and the Bay Leaf family of FF’s. lee - 04/13/08 - 00:10
Jason your right – we now have an Angel among us now. The photo she took of me, J. Lane and R. Hubbell at a live burn several yrs ago will forever remind me of her spirit. Thank you Paula for showing us how to live. Darrell Adams (Email) - 04/14/08 - 18:12
Rest in peace Paula. RP - 04/14/08 - 19:28
Rest In Peace Paula. Thoughts and Prayers go out to you guys in Bay Leaf and Paula’s Family. C. Thornton - 04/15/08 - 13:05
Rest in Peace, Bay Leaf family, please let us know if you guys need anything at all. DHFD - 04/15/08 - 14:04
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Visitation will be from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Friday, April 18, 2008 at Bright Funeral Home, 405 S. Main St., Wake Forest, NC 27587 (919) 556- 5811.
A funeral service will be held 3:00 p.m. Saturday, April 19, 2008 in Binkley Chapel at Southeastern Baptist Seminary in Wake Forest, NC.
Obituary: http://www.legacy.com/newsobserver/Obitu..
Rest in peace. Legeros - 04/16/08 - 06:19
I wish I had known Paula. She seems like she was one in a million. Denise Dolan (Email) - 04/28/08 - 16:55
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Fayetteville Fire Station 15 04/04/08 65 W, 1 I - + 8 - 11
The Fayetteville Fire Department opened a new station today. Located at 8434 Cliffdale Road, Station 15 replaced a temporary facility on Buhmann Drive. It's staffed by a five-member engine company, and has room for a second fire company. The $2.6 million, 10,000 square-foot building took approximately 14 months to complete. The station will serve as a footprint model for the next three or four stations. More information.
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Engine 9 04/05/08 137 W, 1 I - + 14 - 11
Their new pumper was placed in service yesterday, a 2008 Pierce Enforcer, 1500/500/20. Their old engine will be placed in service as Engine 21. Some history: Engine 9 was placed in service with a 1953 American LaFrance (#4726) as the second engine at Station 1 in October 1953. After August 29, 1959, Engine 9 received a 1958 American LaFrance. On April 1, 1960, Engine 9 and its crew were moved to Station 8 on Kent Road. The second engine at Station 1 stayed out of service until April 21, 1961, when Engine 10 was placed in service. Station 9 opened on February 14, 1963 and was assigned a 1951 American LaFrance (#4432). On July 15, 1974, Engine 9 received a 1974 Mack (#1595). On or after January 13, 1987, Engine 9 received a 1982 Mack (#2198). Around November 22, 1989, Engine 9 received a 1989 Pierce (#0768) and upon which this blogger rode to his first fire. On August 11, 1997, Engine 9 received a 1997 Pierce (#0165). On April 25, 2002, Engine 9 received a 2002 Spartan/Quality (#0817).
Great looking rig. Saw the guys at Food Lion this past weekend showing it off. I know they are excited to have it. I am excited to have it protecting my house. Many thanks to all of our public servants. David - 04/10/08 - 23:27
Engine 21 placed their 2002 Spartan/Quality in service on Monday, April 21. Legeros - 04/23/08 - 21:12
Does RFD have any other equipment on order? Guest - 04/23/08 - 23:06
I don’t think so. lee - 04/24/08 - 12:59
Any idea what they may be seeking to purchase next year? Adam Brown - 04/24/08 - 14:28
I forgot. Probably another ladder and engine. ???
Can anyone esle advise? lee - 04/24/08 - 20:47
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Last Night's Fire 04/06/08 85 W, 2 I - + 15 - 10
Two alarms at 2241 Stonehenge Drive. Dispatched about 10:39 p.m. Second alarm struck while units were en route, due to numerous calls. Engine 4 first on scene at a two-story, wood frame apartment building with 12,154 square feet. Offensive then defensive attack, with aerial operations with Ladder 16. Units on scene included E4, E9, E15, E16, E17, E18, L16, L22, R14, R19, B1, B4, C5, A8, EMS 11, 121, 122, D1, T1. Crews remained on scene entire night. Archived scanner traffic is available online. Click to enlarge morning-after photos:
See “the watchdesk”..... Silver - 04/07/08 - 10:28
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Blog Till You Drop 04/06/08 46 W, 1 I - + 14 - 14
Today's New York Times features a feature about the pressures of professional blogging and the demands of the 24/7 Internet age. That is, with regard to scooping stories and driving revenue. Making money from blogging. Imagine that.
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Fashion Station Number One 04/06/08 41 W, 1 I - + 13 - 10
This Hudson-Belk advertisement appeared in local newspapers in August, 1964. The photograph appears in one of the Raleigh and Wake County Firefighting books, but here's the ad. Found same while trying to find smokehouse dates. Click to enlarge:
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July 15, 1963 04/06/08 49 W - + 14 - 11
City Councilmen approve installation of special traffic light on Western Boulevard in front of the new Station 8. The controllers for the manually operated light will cost $572. Where else were lights or traffic light controls installed? Station 1 had them, if memory serves, controlling the lights at Hargett and Dawson.
Western Wake Station 1, box in the station still works and used to also have remote controls for the light at District and Blue Ridge CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/06/08 - 12:04
The controls at RFD #1 also controlled the lights at Martin and Dawson and the lane control lights on Martin Street up to the old Martin St viaduct for responses to Boylan Heights and DDH.
EMS#4 on District drive has a control for the light at District and Blue Ridge that works. ou have 55 seconds form the time you push the button until the light changes back.
The DFD station on Wake Forest Road had stop lights in front of it, as did a couple of others. At least one Greenville station had them,also. Southwood VFD on NC58 sound of Kinston had the flashing lights like RFD#8 in front of their station, along with Emerald Isle #1 before they moved into their new station. Seems like Wildwood VFD outside of Morehead City had them also a few years back.
A DJ (Email) - 04/06/08 - 13:12
RFD Engine 4 used to utilize an opticon system to control the stoplight at Six Forks and Sawmill Roads. Due to the close proximity of the fire station to the intersection, by the time the light was triggered by the opticon, the Engine had already passed through the light. It was eventually removed from the Engine. RFD574 - 04/06/08 - 20:07
on the note of opticom systems there are many opticom controlled signals in Cary that Cary FD, Cary PD and Cary EMS are able to preempt. CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/06/08 - 20:17
Does anyone feel like putting some energy toward opticom throughout the county?
Skip CHIEF100 (Email) - 04/08/08 - 11:46
In Durham, we had “routes” to remember. If memory serves me correct, routes 10 & 11 were in Engine 4’s first due area; known as the “greenway system”.
The way the system worked; Engine 1 dispatched to a car fire, “Engine 1’s en-route, give me routes 1 & 2” (example). The dispatcher pushes a button, and all lights along that route through downtown turned green. Proved beneficial for the downtown units that had a lot of traffic lights in a row. Then when you’re through, “Clear routes 1 & 2”. That system would be awesome for Capital Blvd., Glenwood, Six Forks, Hillsborough, and downtown. Silver - 04/08/08 - 17:55
I agree with the Opticom. Something for the main corridors in and out of the city, at least. Capital Blvd, New Bern Ave, Glenwood Ave, Hillsborough St, Louisburg Rd, Western Blvd, Wilmington St/Fayetteville Rd, Wake Forest Rd/Falls of Neuse Rd, and Six Forks Rd. And maybe Millbrook Rdand Lynn Rd/Spring Forest Rd as a northern loop-around. And throw in Blue Ridge Rd/ Duraleigh Rd and Lake Boone Trail for ED access to Rex.
I don’t know what Cary has in place around WakeMed Cary, but maybe something for the Tryon Rd and Kildaire Farm Rd area could be done
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also.
As much as units (fire and EMS, although it seems more for EMS sometimes) are responding from places other than the neighborhood’s first- due, the Opticoms might work better. If I am going to an MVC at Capital and Buffalo on EMS4 responding from cover at Six Forks main, the Opticoms would work better than dedicated routes.
I would imagine we owuld be talking about some serious cash, though. It would be really nice to have both, but you know how the budget people are… DJ (Email) - 04/08/08 - 21:32
Cary does have an Opticom system in place @ Tryon/KFR and many other intersections in town. Fire1983 - 04/10/08 - 21:34
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The theater at Cameron Village. Two screens. Was a dive, as best recalled... Big Star stores, such as the Cameron Village store, where you could mingle at midnight with other patrons. It's a drug store now... The Cardinal Theater at North Hills. Had a wide, sweeping screen... North Hills Mall, AKA North Hills Fashion Mall. They had a K&W (or was it K&S?) Cafeteria, a Woolworth, and even a public library in the rear at one time... The earlier exit ramp from the inner loop of the Beltline onto outbound Glenwood Avenue. That was tight squeeze, with traffic coming onto the Beltline from inbound Glenwood... The Beltline as two lanes instead of four. Was a parking lot at rush hour... The Studio Theater on Hillsborough Street. Right name? They screened adult films in the early 1980s. Turned into an Art Deco McDonald's that strangely didn't survive... What other past places and things do people remember?
On North Hills Mall, when the 700,000 square-foot shopping center opened in 1967, it was first two-level enclosed mall between Washington and Atlanta… On Cameron Village, who can’t forget the underground portion, the Subway? Here’s a blueprint, on a blog: http://rduwtf.com/blog1/2007/08/27/gone-... The shopping center opened in 1949, and is consider the first shopping center between Washington D.C. and Atlanta. The parking decks were built in the 1960s, says other Internet sources. Legeros - 04/06/08 - 20:41
The Village Theater originally had ONE screen (saw The Dirty Dozen, You Only Live Twice, and Thunderball there), and was later converetd to two. In my younger days were the Ambassador on Fayetteville St (saw The Longest Day, among others, there), the State on Salisbury St (saw a bunch of Bruce Lee movies there). The Studio was originally the Varsity (never went there). There was the Colony at Five Points. The Cardinal was where Star Wars opened in Raleigh. There were the Valley Twin theaters (Patton, The French Connection, and Serpico), and the small theater at Millbrook and Six Forks (saw Blazing Saddles there…it is pretty funny but it is a hoot when you have been, well, never mind). There was also the Tryon out on Tryon Road (I think it is an indoor firing range now) where Walking Tall and the Billy Jack movies played.
Don’t forget the Forest, Tower, and Center Drive-Ins. The Center was an adult drive-in in it’s later years but I remember seeing a bunch of Westerns out there, along with all of the Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns at the Tower. They had the best cheeseburgers at the Forest.
It was a K&W at North Hills. How many out there remember the Your House Restaraunts, the Ham & Egger, Swain’s Steakhouse, The Village Dinner Theater, the Roy Roger’s on Hillsborough St, and Jack’s Steakhouses?
The Beltline ended at US64 East for years.
In addition to the nightlife of the Village Subway, there was also the Homer Briarhopper Club on Poole Rd, as well as a couple of other dives around.
And after 9-10 pm, there wasn’t crap to do around here… DJ (Email) - 04/06/08 - 23:34
DJ…now talk about back in the day. One the North side there was a small movie theater near the Sears Automotive store at Crabtree. What was the name of it? My earlyheimers is kicking in….and oh yeah speaking of nightlife lets not forget Skatetown on Glenwood jetexas - 04/07/08 - 22:15
When Crabtree first opened, there wa Sears at one end and Hudson Belk at the other. There was an outlying building over towards Blue Ridge Rd- that is where the theaters were. It was the first ‘twin’ theater around here. It was called the ‘Valley Twin’. I remember seeing Patton, The Godfather, 2001, Once Upon A Time In the West, and Kelly’s Heroes there. There was the Crabtree Valley Exxon at Blue Ridge and Glenwood, and back towards the beltline there was an AMoco and a Union 76 station. There used to be a Pizza Hut on the hill behind Crabtree, and later on was the Steak & Ale. Further out Glenwood there was a Jack’s Steakhouse, a McDonald’s, Your House, and the Ranch Motel Restaraunt. There was alos a Peddler Steakhouse at Oak Park. Once you passed DHFD’s station on Davis Cir, there was not much else until you got to the area around the Angus Barn…
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And for additional nightlife there was Fairlanes on North Blvd, across from Bobby Murray Chevrolet. DJ (Email) - 04/07/08 - 22:47
Oh I can go all night on this one! Remember when “The Melting Pot” on Wake Forest Rd, near Old St. 4,it was The Sizzler!! Raleigh’s ABC-11 Studios on Fayettville St. use to be a Hudson Belk. As far as the nightlife….remember MARRZ/Club Zone? Now it’s a place where the Hurricanes practice!! Beach (Email) - 04/08/08 - 01:05
MARRZ? How about Sportsworld? The Raleigh 80’s hotspot for mullets, Members Only jackets, and disco… When only “old” people could go to the Longbranch. Olson - 04/08/08 - 10:02
Lassiter Mill – the old bridge and the stores and sawmill, etc that were down there. Would jump off the top of the bridge and swim around the dam. The area where Atlantic Ave ended near what is now Six Forks Rd intersection called the plateau, where kids rode motorcycles and bikes. The helopad on top the Cameron Brown building at North Hills. When going out Wake Forest Rd, you kept going and stayed on Wake Forest Rd – to get on Falls of Neuse, you would turn I think left on Hardimont then right on Bland and then you would be on the old 2 lane road of Falls of Neuse. When Falls dam was not there and it was a river w/ lots of rocks – I think that was the fall line. Before the Lakes apts where built, there were 3 small lakes, and my dad would take me fishing there. Historical Millbrook at Old Wake Forest Rd and Millbrook – all the old homes and businesses there. I think there is only one building remaining there now (like where the HM incident was this past weekend). I painted a tin roof of a small building there red! I think it was an ice cream place. And the church there was haunted. and so many others ….. lee - 04/08/08 - 13:35
Greatest thing to happen to night life around here was The Longbranch. My ex and I had memberships 17 & 18.
Speaking of haunted- anyone remember something called "the whistling mailbox"? It was on Six Forks Rd just north of the actual Six Forks intersection. When you drove past it, there were some grooves in the pavement that made a high pitched sound. It was really eerie, considering that the only thing out that way was the big water tower, which during a full moon looked like a big door knob. Due to it’s proximity to the whistling mailbox, it was called "the doorknob to hell".
Anyone remember the dollar-machine gas stations that were around then? There was one on New Hope Church Rd at the railroad tracks, another on US401 south beyond Simpkins Rd, and one on Poole Rd at Barwell Rd.
Morrisville Gulf- home of the twin Mack B model tow trucks- Wayne and Wanda.
Speaking of Falls- how about the helicopter rescue up there one year when the river was up? It was around 1975. The Falls VFD chief was driving a ’74 or so Blazer with a Twinsonic on top. A UH-1 from Ft Bragg came up and they had to use the plastic Stokes from Cary to get the two folks out. Cary Area Rescue and RFD had the only 3 plastic Stokes in the county back then- Wendell’s was a wire mesh one. RFD was never called and Cary went out there. DJ (Email) - 04/08/08 - 21:15
I remember as a kid going with my grandpa to the old Farmer’s Market when it was on Hodges St. Now it’s a place that stores prison supplies. How do you go from selling watermelon and strawberries, to storing barbed wire fences? Beach (Email) - 04/08/08 - 21:41
Progress. DJ (Email) - 04/08/08 - 21:44
The Longbranch, now that was cool before country was cool. That place had it all and then some…
Speaking of the Falls incident back in ’75 did anyone have a Regency scanner where you had to have a crystal for each frequency that you wanted to listen to? A Saturday trip to Womack Supply was always fun.
Spent a many night listening to the big black box and watched as those red lights scanned channel to channel.
Does anyone remember the 7 digit phone number to report an emergency in Raleigh and Wake County?
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I still have my original Regency 10 channel with crystals for Wake County Fire 1, Wake County Fire 2, Raleigh Fire, Cary Fire, RESCOM, Raleigh Police 1, Raleigh Police 5, RDU Airport Authority, Johnston County Fire. I also have a Motorola Minitor I ‘brick’ with 155.280 (unknown tones- I think they are Clayton Rescue), along with my original Yrac MSA Topguard helmet, my original Bullard ‘Hard Boiled’ helmet from RDU, and my original Federal FB11 Fireball.
The numbers were (they are written on a piece of paper taped to the top of the Regency)-
Raleigh Fire was 755-6331, Raleigh Police was 755-6311, and Beacon Ambulance was 828-0737. I didn’t have the Wake County Sheriff’s number- it was 755 something. SHP was 733-3861. The first ‘unified’ emergency number in Raleigh was 829-1911. Mitchell’s Funeral Home sent out a glow-in-the-dark sticker with the new number to homes all over Raleigh (I had one on my phone- it stuck to the back of the speaker/mic handle).
Cary Fire was 467-6101 and police was 467-6111. Then they went to 467-9111 (I think) and then to 9-1-1.
Even though all of the county rural fire departments were answered in the same place, they each had their own 7-digit number.
And then there was the time-of-day number sponsored by Raleigh Federal Savings & Loan- 833-2511. DJ (Email) - 04/08/08 - 23:30
My brother had an old Uniden, watching those scrolling red lights takes me back man!!!! This one was black with red switches that went up or down to indicate if you wanted to scan that crystal. Those were the days!!! Silver - 04/08/08 - 23:33
When I first bought the Regency, I only had money for two crystals- Wake Fire 1 and RFD. You could go for a long time and not hear a sound, except for the dialy RFD radio test and the various county radio tests. Thursdays were a busy night- Yrac at 1930, Knightdale at 2000, and Durham Highway, Falls, and I think Fairgrounds somewhere in between.
[tones] [DTMF tones similar to a touch tone phone] [feedback] [each department’s was unique] “Central Station, KIQ-206, operating on a frequency of one five four point one nine megahertz, located at 220 South Dawson Street in Raleigh, North Carolina, testing for the Yrac Fire Department. Time 1930. Central to Yrac base.” “Yrac base 10-2” “Yrac Unit 1” “Unit 1 10-2” “Yrac Unit 2” “Unit 2 10-2” “Yrac Unit 3” “Unit 3 10-2” “Yrac Unit 4” “Unit 4 10-2” “Yrac Unit 100” “Unit 100 10-2” “Yrac Unit 101” “Unit 101 10-2” “Yrac Unit 102” “Unit 102 10-2” “Yrac Unit 103” “Unit 103 10-2” “Yrac Unit 104” “Unit 104 10-2” “KIQ-206 clear at 1934”
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I remember seeing Raiders of the lost Arc some time in the early 80’s at the drive off capital that my grandmother would take us to on Saturday’s for the flee market. I think it is somewhere near Tarrymore square is now? Mom and Dad taking us school shopping at Hudson belk downtown and lay away was through the tunnel. Saturday’s going to the hobby store at Cameron Village to see the kick ass model trains! Anyone remember the sandwich shop at Cameron village across from Jolly’s and Johnson Lamb. They had a bunch of Wolf pack pictures up and served BLTS, grilled cheese. The sandwich shop off Wake forest Rd. where the 2nd Baptist book store was. Saturday morning bowling youth league at the bowling alley on Hillsborough St. Summer camp at the YMCA, Pullen Park!!!!!!!! I remember my dad (retired RPD) and the rest of the PD had a public safety day at the state fairs grounds where they had a fake shoot out! Growing up in Boylan Heights my dad walked us down the street to see some big ass fire a couple blocks before the old bridge on Boylan Ave. Going to THE char grill was huge thing, but then again I’m only 35! Later on growing up off Rolesville Rd. the closest grocery store to downtown Wendell was the Food lion at Tower and The K Mart off Capital felt like it took forever to get to from the belt line. Last but not least my uncle lived off Apple tree Ln in Cary, I remember riding our BMX bikes down N. Harrison all the way to Umstead Park on 2 lanes of road and you didn’t see but a hand full of cars that was in the mid 80’s!!!!!! Jason Lane - 04/09/08 - 00:53
The hobby shop at North Hills also had a pretty good train set up and it was usually running anytime they were open. The second best hot dogs ever served in Raleigh were at Scotty’s right next to the North Hills Hobby Shop.
The BEST hot dogs ever served were at the Longview Pharmacy on New Bern Avenue. They made their own chili. They also served up some pretty awesome cheeseburgers and BLTs, made their own sodas, and had some really great milkshakes. And it was within walking distance from where I grew up on Beverly Drive.
Finch’s on Peace Street used to offer curb service, as did the old Shoney’s on North Blvd at Fenton St. BTW, from Lane Street to (Old) Wake Forest Rd it was called Downtown Blvd and from there to the US1/US401 split it was called North Blvd. It was two lane from there out to Franklinton.
In addition to The Plateau there was the vast wasteland of red clay on either side of US1 (where Mini City is now) that was paradise for a 14- 15 year old with a Yamaha 250.
Fast food in Raleigh? Hardee’s. There was one on New Bern Avenue at Poole Rd (it was a pizza place most recently), North Blvd at Hodges, S Wilmington St across from Overby (now Haywood) Funeral Home, Western Blvd just before Kent Rd, Glenwood Ave just before Oak Park, and (Old) Wake Forest Rd at Noble Rd. Arbys’ was on (Old) Wake Forest Rd and one on Hillsborough St. McDonald’s on North Blvd and Glenwood Ave near Oak Park. And KFC at New Bern and Poole.
You wanted milk around here? Pine State down on Glenwood near Tucker or Long Meadow Farms on Glenwood near Glen Eden Dr. DJ (Web Site) - 04/09/08 - 10:54
“Central Station, KIQ-206, operating on a frequency of one five four point one nine megahertz, located at 220 South Dawson Street in Raleigh, North Carolina, testing for the Yrac Fire Department. Time 1930. Central to Yrac base.”
Oh man that take me back!!!! At Six Forks I remember running to trucks after your tones hit on Thursday nights to answer the radio when your truck was called. The older fireman would just sit back and watch us young bucks go. I used to think…look at those old men, they don’t move fast for anything. Man how time changes all that.
Our 2 tones were low and at the end you could hear the buzzer kick in. That 70’s technology was music to our ears.
Yes those were the days. jetexas - 04/09/08 - 11:20
Jason, talking about dads, I remember when communications for raleigh police was up stairs and the police cars had twin bubble lights. It was a big deal when the “new light bar” came to RPD. Also remember when atlantic ave. did not go any further than “Honda of Raleigh”. I lived just off Buffaloe Rd, in foxcroft. When we moved there in 74 it was to far outside the city for my dad to drive his police car home. Jason, can you remember when mini-city was built?...I can, and when there used to be a drive in off capital, (forest) It was a flea market by day, and
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porn drive in by night. by the way, I somewhat remember the public safety day…as far as at new hope, I can remember responding to calls in front of Duke Health Raleigh (ral. community). Back to the police, I remember they only had 4 channels, I used to sit in my dad’s car and listen. jettexas. I too can remember going to each truck to do “rollcall”. When Neptunes seafood sat at the corner of Buffaloe(old Buffaloe now) and Capital. (where auto zone in now. and Kings Plaza..(this is the shopping center where Sam ash is now) WOW what memories. kprice104 - 04/09/08 - 19:24
olson, yea sportsworld, didn’t it orginally open off north market, until the roof fell in…?? dj, dollar gas stations, there was one in front of new hope, (the church, where the car lot is now) kprice104 - 04/09/08 - 19:32
Wow, this is taking me back. I grew up behind the Arby’s on Hillsborough Street before Gorman Street connected. Anyone remember the Snoopy’s across from Meredith College, or the Wonder Bread Bakery. I grew up smelling bread baking ALL THE TIME. How about Crazy Zack’s where the Applebee’s is now at the corner of Gorman & Hillsborough? Anyone remember when it was a Jeep / AMC Dealer. My Dad bought a station wagon from them in 1976 I think. The Snoopy’s across from Arby’s used to be KFC and Swenson’s ice cream was down by NC State. How about the A&P grocery store where the Rite Aid is now.
Speaking on Cameron Village, how about the large spread of Christmas lights and not just the white ones, I’m talking the large color lights. We used to go see Santa Clause in the little booth at the Corner of Daniels Street and Clark Ave underneath the parking deck that is gone now.
I remember riding motorcycles with Dad out a Lake Raleigh; we used to get there from Trailwood Drive. I remember riding to the top of a large hill and seeing I-40 being cut in. If you look from Lake Wheeler Road Bridge back towards Cary, the hill I am referring to is on the right with the power lines. I had a Honda XR 75 and can remember when Atlantic Ave ended at Honda of Raleigh.
I also remember when Meredith College had horses and when Rex Hospital was on Wade Ave. I also remember the Fair Train that used to come in at 3:00 am on Tuesday Morning before the Fair opened. I remember when Blue Ridge Road ended at Hillsborough Street. Donaldson - 04/09/08 - 20:26
kprice104- yeah- I forgot about that one. They were around a couple of more years after I got my license in 1974. Also, the restaurant at North Blvd and (Old) Buffalo was called King of the Sea. It was a favorite of my parents and we went there at least once a month.
As to the AMC/Jeep dealer on Hillsborough (it was Ray something), it was Amburn Pontiac before that- my parents bought a couple of cars there. Then there was Triangle Chevrolet out at NC55 & US64, then it was Jeff Mullins.
Rex on Wade? I was born there. How about the pre-cursor to Raleigh Communit, Mary Elizabeth, on Wake Forest Rd at Glascock? DJ (Email) - 04/09/08 - 20:51
This one goes out to DJ and KPrice, I am not sure but sometime as a little one I remember some kind of apple desert like a little pie that you could get at the Roy Rogers where the BoJangles is on Western? Also Dad would bring us into Raleigh around Christmas to see the lights at New Bern and Dickens. Every time we run a call on Dickens on E-7 I slow down to look at the only mini house left in the side yard.Also one of my first BMX bikes came from Hills Sporting goods on down town blvd. I can’t believe Lion’s Park BMX track is still up in running in 2008. Jason Lane - 04/09/08 - 22:33
Jason-
My parents bought me a Schwinn Apple Crate bike from Hills in 1970. When Honda of Raleigh was at Brookside and Old Wake Forest, that was where I got my first motorcycle- Honda Trail 70. Mine was the only one around with a 4-speed manual- everyone else had 3-speeds.
Don’t remember the little apple pie you are talking about, but at the ‘original’ Roy Rogers (Hillsborough & Dixie Trail) they had some pretty good apple pies, like the ones Char Grill serves now.
And I remember all of those Christmas lights on New Bern. That was a big thing then to go to see them. I can’t remember which one, but one of those houses had it’s own bowling alley lane at one time.
Oh yeah- the AMC dealership was Ray Skidmore. DJ (Email) - 04/09/08 - 23:00
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I remember the appie pie thing at Roy’s on Hillsb St. And the bike trails off Avent Ferry near lake Raleigh (Cent Campus is there now). I was born in the Rex on Wade Ave. Smelling the bread at Wonder Bread on Hillsb St. RPD having the 4 channels and the old scanners. Pine State on Glenwood and Long Meadow also on Glenwood further out. The old Flea Market on Hodges. The drive-in movie places (yeah, market in day, porn at night); also the one in Garner and Fuquay (the board/screen is still up for that one I think, though covered up almost by growth).
The beltline ended at New Bern Ave.
How about when Crabtree Creek use to flood all the time, and the VW dealership on Wake Forest Rd, the VW bugs would float away!! And the old style Hardee’s on Wake Forest Rd just down from there (at McNeil St – car wash there now)
Does anyone remember when Krispy Kreme was on the other side of Person St?
The original Airport Rd off GLenwood going to the airport. Just a 2 lane road throug the woods. And the airport building itself. The control tower is still up but thats about it. The original building has pretty much been renovated (few times). The rotating search light that was up top of the tower was seen last year near the CFR station just sitting there. lee - 04/09/08 - 23:27
And remember up at North Hills Mall when the guy carved the huge wooded sculpture of Sir Walter inside? And yeah, I remember the hobby store and Scotty’s. Use to climb on top of the mall and look down through those square glass sun things.
Johnson’s Drug store on Fairview Rd at Oberlin.
The Civil Defense siren test from the Post Office at Five Points!!! lee - 04/09/08 - 23:37
Hardee’s on Wake Forest Rd was my first job. There is an older style Hardee’s on Edenton at the New Bern split. Used to be a civil defense siren at Memorial Auditorium, also.
Airport Rd was two lane from Morrisville to US 70. The old CFR station (the brick one) with four bays and a siren on top.
Bread baking at Wonder Bread, oh that was sooo good. And yes, I remember the original Krisy Kreme. It was next to Tuttle’s Appliance.
The drive-in at Fuquay was called the Cairo.
Speaking of two lanes, US 64 all the way to Asheboro. You can still see the original roadway if the lake is low, to the north of the current roadway. I remember the clearing for Jordan and Falls Lakes, flooding of Crabtree Creek, flooding of Neuse River.
Of course, I am old…I remember the hotel that used to be at the corner of Dawson and Hargett- the Carolina Hotel I think it was. Even had a topless bar downstairs for a few moonths- right next to the Municipal Building.
Best sausage and ham biscuits in Raleigh at Newton’s- corner of Peace and Halifax.
Hardee’s on North Blvd at Hodges (originally same design as the one at Edenton and New Bern) had a train between it and the creek, similar to the one that used to be at Pullen Park.
Tanglewood pool at the end of King Richard. Hayes Barton pool beside Wade Ave at NS overpass.
S&H Green Stamp store on Downtown Blvd at Old Wake Forest Road. Womack Electronics on Old Wake Forest Rd.
What have these people done to my city!? DJ (Email) - 04/10/08 - 00:02
Yes, I remember the pool on Wade Ave, and Womack Electronics and S&H. And part of Wake Forest Rd at N Blvd went under the Southern train trestle. Roadway still there but its closed and blocked off. That was when Atlantic ended at Whitaker Mill.
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The football stadium at Peace St and N Blvd. lee - 04/10/08 - 00:44
and there was a time capsule buried in front of the movie theater at N Hills. Early 70’s I think. Wonder if its still there under the sidewalk at the restaurant (Fishbone?).
The huge complex of the Methodist Home at Wade/Glenwood/St Mary’s. 2 old vacant buildings still remain there. Polk Youth Center on Blue Ridge Rd. I think originally it was a military facility of some sort.
Gone are the good ole days of Raleigh and Wake County. lee - 04/10/08 - 01:25
Devereux Meadow- the football field at Peace and Downtown. Broughton HS played there. Polk Youth Cetner was originally Camp Polk. The smokestack and building are still there from the prison. DJ (Email) - 04/10/08 - 07:48
Devereux Meadow-I always remember that as a baseball field, I went there in the early 1960’s with my father. Never knew that football was played there. Bob Couick (Email) - 04/10/08 - 08:57
Could be wrong- happens occasionally. I thought Broughton played football there…but hey…it was soooo long ago. DJ (Email) - 04/10/08 - 10:22
I wrote N Blvd a few times earlier. I meant Downtown Blvd. lee - 04/10/08 - 12:11
dang lee, you sure are showing your age…haha father time - 04/10/08 - 20:06
Actually wasn’t it Downtown Blvd until you got to like Wake Forest Rd and then it became North Boulevard? What year was it all changed to “Capital Blvd”? Olson - 04/10/08 - 23:52
Yeah. It was Downtown Blvd up to (Old) Wake Forest Rd. The original Leith Lincoln-Mercury was at Downtown Blvd at Fairview. Further in towards town the first autmoatic car wash in the state, the Robo Wash, sat at the corner fo what I think is Dortches and Downtown. It is a used car place now. The old S&H Green Stamp store (one of my mother’s favorites- it’s now a cell phone store) had a Downtown Blvd address, but Hill’s and the original Honda of Raleigh had North Blvd addresses. It changed sometime in the mid-to late 80s.
When I came back to the area in the mid 90s, it had changed, as had Old Wake Forest Rd to just Wake Forest Rd. Some of the other changes were-
Shelly Rd was now Millbrook Rd in a lot of places. Cary-Macedonia Road was now Walnut Street Apex-Macedonia Road was now Tryon Road Apex-McCullers Road was now Ten-Ten Road. Airport-Morrisville Road was now Aviation Parkway
Among others.
Speaking of stores- Sears used to be where Harris-Teeter at Cameron Village is now. For a while it was a “Thalhimer’s”. The other main stores at Cameron Village were JC Penney, Johnson-Lambe, Wrenn-Pharr (this was where you had to go to get all of the official Cub Scout and Boy Scout stuff), Boylan-Pierce, and Burton’s. THere was a Kerr Druggs, and where the big drug store is now was a Colonial Stores grocery (later Big Star).
Back to he fire/EMS stuff, I can remember transporting patients to Southern and Western Wake (it was where AFD#3 is now). And I heard Wendell RS transporting to Eastern Wake in Zebulon. I remember when Southeastern Emergency Equipment was operating out of a small, old
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cinder-block store just down for the Stony Hill VFD. There was a small brick house on Blue Ridge Rd across from Rex where a lot of the state- contract ambulances cmae to. I don’t know if that guy sold them or what. I saw many orange and white ambulances (mostly vans). Everyone in the county it seemed was buying Swab ambulances and there was a guy over in Knightdale who was a rep or something for them.
Downtown was Hudson-Belk, WW Woolworth, and Advance Auto (they sold a lot of stuff including bicycles and Hot Wheels!). DJ (Email) - 04/11/08 - 09:15
and yes, I also had a bmx from hills, I think that all the police bought from hills. and jason, talking abouth the christmas lights, that was the thing…pile up in the car and go look at the christmas lights on dickens. kprice104 - 04/11/08 - 12:29
Lee:
Your time capsule is still at North Hills. I noticed it going into Panera Bread recently. It’s between Panera and BoneFish, maybe about at the Verizon store. I noticed it said to be opened in 50 years from when it was installed.
As far as the fire service, I came to Raleigh in 1982. Most calls were dispatched as “structure fires” (not as a house or apartment or a building), and the initial assignment was 2 engines, 1 truck (often a city service) and a district chief. The rescues were so old by then, they were only dispatched on Working Fires. The city was doing no sizeups on arrival, I think only “condition blue” or “condition red”. That terminology was used around here forever…. Of course everything was ten code. The highest RFD had at that point was Station 16. Supply lines were 3 inch. All RFD engines had two preconnected sets of supply lines on each side of the pump, and usually would connect those (vs doing a steamer connection). I think back then, RFD sent people to Charleston to learn about hydraulics….
Occasionally I would pick up Rescom and HQ in Fayetteville before I moved to Raleigh. It would be a joint dispatch, when HQ and Rescom would simultaneously dispatch companies. Something like: “HQ Engine 3, Rescom EMS1, Shooting, 400 North East Street, KII-313, (and I can’t remember the EMS FCC....)
KIQ-206 KSZ-446
Raleigh rigs had all electronic sirens, no Federal Qs. Most of the Mack CFs had either a Federal 4-bulb rotator light. Engine 5 and 9 had one of the sorriest strobe lights you ever saw mounted on the roof, and behind that was a portable monitor. Seems like I remember a fire or two when the monitor on the roof was used. harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 04/11/08 - 17:37
After reading my post, I realized they wouldn’t have said “shooting….” it would have been “Signal 102”..... harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 04/11/08 - 17:38
The first three Mack pumpers and the Aerialscope came with rotating beacons and Q2Bs. All of the others came with that pitiful strobe light and the electronic sirens. KIQ206 was county fire, KUZ-732 was RESCOM/VHF. KIP489 was Beacon Ambulance. KBK-537 was Cary Fire. DJ (Email) - 04/11/08 - 18:37
Jeff, you shed some interesting light on a subject. We (RFD) sent people to Charleston to learn about hydraulics???!!! Wow (I know that was back in the day, and we do our own thing now, and are doing well)!!!! They’re still running red lines (boosters) in as initial attack lines and 2 1/2” lines as supply hose. Those that have visited Charleston, know that there are a lot of balloon frame houses that are hairs apart. I’m glad to see that we’ve evolved away from 3” and red lines to the interior as initial attack lines.
On another note, I miss that Aerialscope!! Silver - 04/11/08 - 23:02
i miss the old airport!! – the new one reeks of tobacco corner hydrant - 04/11/08 - 23:50
Gone is the Ham and Egger at Wake Forest and McNeil.
10-4 Hark on the capsule still there N Hills. 50 yrs, hhhmmmmm that should be in another 10-15 yrs or so then maybe. ?? ie if it was buried
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around 1970. lee - 04/12/08 - 16:36
Gone is Gresham Lake when it had water and a boat ramp. The small lake at Lake Boone Tr off Glenwood. When Lake Lynn was outside the city and there was nothing around it but woods. lee - 04/13/08 - 12:11
As for call signs, don’t forget KNCM293 on Med9 and later added was WZX555 on Rescom after the switch from 155.280 to 156.225. Apex was KUZ729 when dispatching EMS. WakeMed was KNCE581, Raleigh Community was WXK577, and Rex KYG692. Remember how back then a telecommunicator spoke with the authority and clarity of a professional radio DJ – such a lost art. I’m a telecommunicator by profession, but I feel that our profession as a whole lacks “the voice” that we all used to have. For the most part, the ones with “the voices” have either retired or are in admin and don’t even talk on the radio anymore. I’d love to hear Walt Fuller, Philip Penny (retired 911 director), and Richard Batchelor on the radio for just one more day verbally dispatching calls with locution turned off. What a sweet sound it would be. The few left who still have the golden voices can only be heard on PD channels due to locution on Fire/EMS. It used to be real treat to listen to a great telecommunicator work a busy fire or EMS channel on a weekend nightshift giving out back-to-back calls. Locution does a great job of getting calls out quickly, but I sure do miss those “radio” voices and personalities from the past. I supervise telecommunicators daily, and it is SO hard to get the newer ones to speak with the authority and tone of voice that used to set us distinctly aside from others. Jason (Email) - 04/13/08 - 21:35
Some of what I remember is Buying nuts from the Peanut man at the Capital Bld to feed the pigeons after church Giant Dinosaur models in the North Hills parking lot. You could feed a quarter into a juke box size machine and it would create a hot wax dinosaur mold Sitting on the mini bikes in front of the Penny’s Auto Center 900 West Disco Club Pepsi Plant and the potato chip factories on Wake Forest Rd The flags on top of the Winn Dixie at North Hills The Record Bar Solomon Grundys in North Hills Mall Swimming at Lynn Lake Buying bamboo fishing poles at the Lasiter Mill store The A&P store on Pearson The old Colonial grocery stores before they became Big Stars Hardee’s at Crabtree next to the Big Star. Before it was a Hardee’s it was a place called Honey’ Bee’s before that it was an Andy Giffth’s Buying ICEE’s from the window at the North Hills Quick Pick. The old abandoned orfinage next to WRAL TV. Old Man’s Lake behind the old Dresser House off Wake Forest Rd The junk yard where Northbrook and North Hills drive interset. The Zig/Zag shop on the corner of Hillsborough St and Oberlin. The Red Barn Burger joint on Wake Forest Rd. The Water slide on US 1 North The Super Slide at the Putt-Putt just past Oak Park Can’t remember the name, but the little pizza place at Oak Park just off the highway. Skate Ranch and Skate Town Going to the Elementary School on a Saturday to get a license for you bicycle David (Email) - 07/29/08 - 11:09
Before Krispy-Kreme moved to it’s present location on the corner of Person and Peace Streets, there was a beautiful OLD Victorian-looking house there. I think it was an antique store for a while. On the corner of the yard was a large tree. They kept a sleigh chained to that tree for years. It was the only sleigh you would ever see in this area. As a child, I always thought it was Santa’s sleigh. Mark - 03/15/10 - 14:49
How about going to Cameron Village as a young boy, and getting your ANNUAL pair of new Tennis shoes (Keds PF Flyers) for the new school year. Then, WEARING them out of the store and running as fast as you could (swearing you were now faster) and slapping those soles onto the sidewalk. The noise would echo under the parking deck and sound TWICE as loud as normal.
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It is funny that someone has posted new stuff to this blog as Dad and I were riding home form a job (pavement marking) and talking about all of the things we have seen while driving and working in the area since 1974. For instance, Dad started to paint for York Properties and York Construction Co in the 70’s. We painted Cameron Village every year up to 1986 when the city condemned our house on Neil Street to extend Gorman Street. Dad painted a lot of the new construction in the area during that time. I remember Dad painting the road that was just paved to the Sharron Harris Plant from Sharron Harris Road. He used to take us (my brother and me) everywhere. I would say that he painted 90% of the RTP as it was built. I remember riding my bicycle in all of the IBM parking lots and thinking it was cool that I could ride in such a large area without worrying about cars. Just Thursday we say a Golden Skillet Fried Chicken in Richmond VA. and though of the one on Western Blvd where Subway is now. That started a two hour trip down memory lane for us. It is so good to see memories lived out here and see who else remembers what Raleigh and Wake Co used to be like. Donaldson - 03/15/10 - 23:16
Where was Krispy Kreme before it’s present location? My father-in-law talks about walking to it from NCSU when he was there in the 60’s… Donuts - 03/16/10 - 00:25
I miss Tippy’s Taco big time!!! I remember you had to have Papagallo shoes from the Papagallo store to match every outfit..don’t wear them in the rain Kimberly - 05/27/10 - 18:47
Remember when Olivia Raney library was on the corner of Fayetteville Street and you could walk across the street on school nights and buy popcorn at the Ambassador Theater? Remember Wyguil/Sanders Ford Company? Wade’s Skating? Pappagallo Shop on the corner of Hillsborough St. and Glenwood Ave. Jean - 03/23/11 - 05:29
Hi, I know this is an old blog but I recently found a 1973 AMC Javelin AMX that was originally sold at the Ray Skidmore AMC/Jeep dealership that some of you were talking about. The address that’s listed for the dealership is 431 W Franklin St Gastonia NC 28052. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if that’s the correct address for the dealership? I used google map and street view, the first view I see is an old garage/warehouse and opposite side of the road is a cleared lot with pavement running through it. I would love to find out exactly where the car was sold when it was new. Things like this intrigue me, I love history. I enjoyed reading your blog very much. Thanks in advance! Linwood (Email) - 03/25/17 - 08:51
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Building the Smokehouse 04/08/08 300 W - + 15 - 10
When was the smokehouse at the Keeter Training Center built? The range of dates has never been a mystery. On August 21, 1961, the Raleigh City Council was informed that firefighters had performed the demolition of old Station 5 on Park Drive, that they saved the city a considerable amount of money by performing the work themselves, and that the bricks would be used to build a smokehouse behind the training tower. In August 1964, a photo of the smokehouse appeared in the Raleigh Times. It was operational, being used for a fireman’s school. The photo showed an apparently completed building, with two stories and a roof.
But when was it actually built? .
County real estate records say 1965. One retiree remembers it still not built when he started in September 1962. Sundry skimming of newspaper articles from summer 1963 found nothing. Nor was anything indexed in the City Council minutes from those years.
But what about the station log books? Not surprisingly, the answer was right there:
(Tuesday) March 24, 1964 [8:00 a.m.] Eng #1 & Truck #1 went to tower to clean bricks. 4 hours. 1:00 p.m. Eng #1 & Truck l #1 went [back] to drill tower to clean bricks. Returned to station at 4:30 p.m.
(Sunday) March 29, 1964 9:00 a.m. Eng #10 went to tower to dig footing for smoke house. 12:00 p.m. Eng #10 return to quarters. 1:00 p.m. Eng #10 went back to tower to pour cement footing for smoke house. 3:30 p.m. Eng #10 return to quarters.
(Thursday) May 7, 1964 8:15 p.m. Eng #10 working at drill tower. 11:50 a.m. Eng. #10 returned to quarters. 1:00 p.m. Eng. #1 working at drill tower. 4:15 p.m. Eng. #1 returned to quarters.
(Wednesday) May 27, 1964 8:00 a.m. Eng #1 & Eng #10 went to drill tower for 3 hours this morning.
(Monday) August 3, 1964 9:00 a.m. Eng #1 went to drill tower and drilled in smoke house on use of breathing equipment.
Mystery solved.
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North Carolina Fallen Firefighters Memorial on May 3 04/09/08 81 W, 1 I - + 15 - 9
The Third Annual North Carolina Fallen Firefighters Memorial will be held on Saturday, May 3, at Nash Square in downtown Raleigh. The parade starts at 10:00 a.m. and follows Hillsborough Street to S. Dawson Street. The memorial service starts at 1:00 p.m. Eight firefighters in North Carolina died in the line of duty last year. FireNews has a list and links. For more event information, see www.ncfff.org.
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Fallen Firefighter Golf Tournament on June 12 04/09/08 92 W, 1 I - + 17 - 8
The Raleigh Fire Department will host the second annual National Fallen Firefighters Golf Tournament in support of the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation on Thursday, June 12, 2008, at Eagle Ridge Golf and Country Club, 545 Competition Road, Raleigh. Tee time is 10:00. The entry fee is $75 and guests will also receive a complementary breakfast before, and a full meal after, range balls, door prizes and gift bags, pre-game competitions, and trophies. Other activities are still being planned. For more information, see www.fallenfirefightergolf.info.
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Renovating the Smokehouse 04/10/08 61 W, 1 I - + 15 - 11
Returning to present day, as well as answering an earlier reader question, the old smokehouse at the Keeter Training Center is undergoing renovations. New stairs to the second floor have been built, and a section of the roof has been expanded to add an open-air storage area. Interior work is also being done. Lee has snapped some photos :
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Will Shoot Live Burns 04/11/08 55 W, 1 I - + 12 - 14
Does your department have a live burn coming up? And would it favor the presence of a photographer or two? Post a note, drop a line, let Lee and Mike know. With weather warming and water levels rising, it's time for burning down the houses.
Knightdale Public Safety is having a live burn April 26th 411 - 04/12/08 - 12:30
10-4 on KPS and Thanks. If you find out any details, (when, where, what, etc) please let us know. Send us an email. lee - 04/12/08 - 16:29
Lee, Please Email me or call the station for further
The live burn is TENTATIVE by all means. It is a re-schedule of a burn that was supposed to occur, but fell victim to a burn ban imposed 1 day prior. There are some minor issues to be worked out on the property owner’s behalf, and if these are not taken care of we will NOT burn. We do things by the book when it comes to live fire, so all apologies to anyone who may be disapointed if the burn does not take place.
Burn or no burn, we welcome all to come by sometime, If it’s C-Shift call ahead or email me- we’ll do a meal. JBoggs (Email) - 04/13/08 - 20:23
Fuquay Fire Dept. Live burn Saturday April 19th 2008 On west street in town Probally start around 8-9 FVFD85 (Email) - 04/14/08 - 21:29
I like that comment Jason!.... ewfd200 - 04/15/08 - 16:08
JBoggs. Where is the burn supposed to be held at? 411 - 04/15/08 - 16:10
I didnt mean it that way willie! (guilty conscious?, HAHA!)
I thought 411 would know where it was since he announced our burn for us- its off Massey Farm rd, where we’ve burned before. They are planning a large residential development there eventually (seems to be taking forever). https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1435[10/14/2019 8:05:20 PM] Will Shoot Live Burns - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
Again this is TENTATIVE. JBoggs (Email) - 04/15/08 - 17:09
Dont get so offensive! 411 - 04/15/08 - 20:28
Get Em’ Boggs! CThornton - 04/16/08 - 10:28
I heard today that the KPS burn has been cancelled (for now). lee - 04/16/08 - 18:09
That is correct, the burn has been cancelled for now. JBoggs (Email) - 04/17/08 - 13:29
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Mystery Truck 04/12/08 32 W, 1 I - + 15 - 9
Here's a three-axle telesquirt that's sitting off Farm Well Road, off Knightdale Boulevard at Old Milburnie Road. Lime yellow. Looks like a Kenworth. Winston-Salem?
It looks very very much like a Winston Salem aerial. I bet I have pictures of it from the 90’s. I probably posted it when I was doing the yellow colored apparatus thing a year or two ago on the flicker site. lee - 04/12/08 - 21:16
We have a winner! http://www.flickr.com/photos/leewilson/2.. Legeros - 04/12/08 - 21:44
So its old Aerial-3, or possibly Aerial-1? Both 1984/5 Kenworth Grumman 75’ aerials. lee - 04/13/08 - 00:18
We had one of these at Anne Arundel County FD #11. It started out as a Ranger/Pemfab, but when Ranger shut down E-One finished it. I was amazed at how useless the truck was- not a real aerial device; too big for a pumper. They only kept it about three-four years and got rid of it. DJ (Email) - 04/13/08 - 08:55
It is a former Winston Truck. It is owned by Grady Poole, of Pooles Well Drilling. My stepdad works with him, and brought it home about a month and a half ago. It was purchased for 5 grand, at a government sale. He intends to use it as a service truck, meaning a truck to haul water, pipe, and tools to the jobsite. He first wanted to take the ladder of of it so he could stack the pipe up there, dont know now. I talked him out of that for now I guess, we’ve been playing with it every now and then. Runs well, ladder operates, but we havent tested the pump yet, although service records indicate it passed last year. It’s been offered for us to use for training at KPS while they decide what to do with it. I intend to use it at an upcoming hose, streams, and appliances course, packing it with spare hose, keeping our equipment in service. JBoggs (Email) - 04/15/08 - 17:04
Show me a pic of the drivers side, If it has a after-market diamond plate bx on its lft side(like a high-side compartment) then it is old Aerial 2 from station #5 on Palmer Rd. I road it for three years until the arrival of our new sutphen 70ft paltform. great truck back then seen alot of work but wouldn’t trust the ladder until tested. the twin to it was a piece, and was just sold recently, it sat on the side of I-40 in guilford county 4-sale for a while
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Chop 04/13/08 43 W, 1 I - + 10 - 17
Wake Forest Road is being widened between the Beltline and Six Forks Road. One casualty is the apron at old Station 4, which is receiving a significant reduction. The building is presently occupied by a software company.
Wasn’t there a time a few years ago the city wanted it back? Beach (Email) - 04/13/08 - 20:05
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New Lens 04/13/08 69 W, 1 I - + 14 - 11
Bought a new lens, a 50mm Canon EF f1.8. Older version, metal build. It's a prime lens, meaning a fixed focal length. Zoom is performing by moving closer to or farther from the subject. It's the fastest lens to date, and hopefully help improve night photography. Here's last night's car versus tree that Engine 16 reported across the street from the station:
I have a 50mm Nikon f1.8 that I love. It’s extremely sharp and great in low light situations. "Zooming" with your feet takes a little bit of getting used to, but the results are worth it. [Todd D] (Web Site) - 04/21/08 - 17:56
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Automatic Roll Bars 04/13/08 36 W, 1 I - + 16 - 9
Also at last night's wreck, one of the responders pointed these out: automatic roll bars behind the rear seats. They deploy when the vehicle wrecks. Very cool.
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Pierce New Deliveries 04/13/08 42 W, 4 I - + 15 - 8
Noticed the following new deliveries on the Pierce web site from around NC, including a Velocity pumper for Concord, an Arrow XT pumper for Four Oaks, an Impel pumper for Ebenezer, and a high-riding Dash pumper for Beech Mountain.
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Cary Fire Chief Lee Matthews 04/13/08 125 W - + 9 - 17
The fourth full-time Fire Chief of the Cary Fire Department was Lee Matthews, who has been listed in records as Lee Mathews, who started January 21, 1967 and stopped in May 1967. A newly found newspaper article reveals more. Dated February 22, 1967, the clipping notes Lee Matthews was a retired Raleigh Fire Captain who was named Acting Chief, after the resignation of Chief John W. Ward three months into his position. Though the clipping calls Matthews a retired Captain, he was more likely retired Asst. Chief R. Lee Matthews, who left in 1963 with 37 years of service. His employment with Cary was intended as temporary. Subsequent CFD Chiefs included ______Ascue (67-68), John L. Dew (68-69), Billy Henderson (69-71), Terry Edmundson (71-75), and Ned Perry (75-93).
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Raleigh Fire Department Volunteer Members, 1866-1911 04/15/08 316 W, 1 I - + 11 - 10
Here's a new compilation of historical information, a list of Raleigh's volunteer fireman from 1866 to 1911 . The list features some 450 names of fire company members from the hand- and horse-drawn era. This and many other goodies are linked from the RFD history site.
Surnames include Abernethy, Adams, Allen, Alston, Anderson, Andrews, Armstrong, Arthur, Bagwell, Bain, Baker, Barbee, Bell, Belvin, Betts, Bevers, Billings, Blake, Blow, Boshier, Boylan, Bradley, Branch, Brannan, Branson, Brenig, Bretsch, Brewer, Brewster, Bridgers, Brockwell, Brooks, Broughton, Brown, Bryant, Bullock, Bunch, Burgess, Burt, Byrd, Caldwell, Cardwell, Carver, Chavis, Cheatham, Cheek, Chowder, Christopher, Churchill, Clancey, Clements, Coke, Cole, Correll, Crabtree, Crawford, Crayton, Creech, Creighton, Crocker, Cross, Dancey, Dancy, Davis, DeBoy, Dicks, Dobbin, Dodd, Donahoe, Doolittle, Doyle, Drake, Dunston, Durham, Edwards, Ellis, Engelhard, Ennis, Farmen, Farmer, Faucette, Fentress, Ferrall, Ferrell, Fleishman, Flow, Fowler, Francis, Franklin, Fraps, Freeman, Gardner, Gattis, Gaylord, Glenn, Gorham, Gorman, Gowan, Green, Grimes, Gulley, Gully, Habel, Hall, Hampson, Hardie, Hardy, Harrell, Harris, Hart, Harward, Hawkins, Haynes, Haywood, Heartt, Henley, Henly, Hilker, Hill, Hinnant, Hinton, Hobbie, Hooks, Hoover, Horton, House, Hunter, Hutchins, Hyatt, Jeffries, Jenkins, Johnson, Jones,Jordan, Keith, Kelly, Kennette, Killibrew, King, Kreth, Lamson, Lane, Lang, Lassiter, Laswell, Lee, Linehan, Little, Lougee, Love, Lumley, Lumsden, Mabry, Macy, Maguire, Mahler, Mallett, Mangum, Manly, McDonald, McDowell, McGown, McKee, McKimmon, McPheeters, McRary, Medlin, Merrill, Miller, Milligan, Mills, Mitchell, Moore, Morson, Moses, Moye, Nolan, Nottingham, O'Donnell, Olive, Otter, Palmer, Pardue, Parish, Park, Parker, Parrish, Peebles, Pennington, Penny, Pepper, Perdue, Perry, Pomeroy, Pool, Prempert, Price, Pulley, Purnell, Putney, Ransom, Ray, Rhodes, Rice, Richardson, Riddle, Rix, Roberts, Rosenbaum, Royster, Scales, Scott, Separk, Shakespeare, Shaw, Simpson, Smith, Snow, Snuggs, Solomons, Sorrell, Spark, Sparks, Spence, Steadman, Stephens, Stevenson, Steward, Stewart, Stiebel, Stines, Straughn, Stronach, Syme, Taylor, Terry, Thiem, Thomas, Thompson, Tucker, Turner, Underhill, Upchurch, Utley, Waitt, Wall, Waring, Warren, Watson, Weathers, Weatherspoon, Weigel, Weir, Welsh, White, Wicker, Williams, Winters, Witherspoon, Womble, Woods, Woollcott, Wray, Wright, Wynne, Yearby.
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Chemical Safety Board Issues Video on EQ Fire 04/16/08 88 W, 1 I - + 12 - 12
The U.S. Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board has released a 16-minute video on the Environmental Quality explosion and fire in Apex on October 5, 2006. It's linked on this press release page, along with a case study. The video features computer animation showing the spread of the fire, as well as interviews, aerial footage, and other images. The most prominent of the stills, shown below, was shot by News & Observer photographer Chris Seward. It is a very well-produced video feature.
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Station 23 04/19/08 29 W, 2 I - + 11 - 12
A reader sent the first photo, snapped last week, of a new apron being built at Station 23. As the second photo shows, the concrete pad is presently finished.
Is that the old Durham Highway station? Retired FF - 04/23/08 - 18:13
Yes it is…. Guest - 04/23/08 - 18:17
Does Durham Highway still run out of this station also? Adam Brown - 04/24/08 - 14:29
yes, we do. we have an engine and a tanker that is stationed there. DHFD - 04/24/08 - 15:14
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New Knightdale Fire Station 04/19/08 50 W - + 13 - 16
FireNews Headlines alerts of an Eastern Wake News article about the town's recent approval of a new fire station. The $1.6 million facility will be staffed with three firefighters, be built with eco-friendly features, a metal roof, and four dorm rooms, and be located off Hodge Road.
The town’s web site adds additional details: “The Construction contract for Public Safety Station #2 on Mingo Bluff Blvd. has been awarded to GRS Construction. Work should begin in May.”
According to the county web site, the town possesses an irregular shaped section of land on Mingo Bluff Boulevard just east of Hodge Road. Total of 12.42 acres. Perhaps the station site? http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/L..
Here’s Mingo Bluff Boulevard by satellite: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mingo+bluf.. Legeros - 04/19/08 - 17:02
Projected completion date sometime in February, also new pumper delivered sometime in May. glenn - 04/22/08 - 13:45
What kind of pumper are they getting? Adam Brown - 04/24/08 - 14:30
Pierce Saber if I am not mistaken. It’s under construction in Appleton, WI as we speak. CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/24/08 - 15:26
Is this going to be a city bought unit or county replacement? Adam Brown - 04/24/08 - 15:41
They have $353,500 in their 07-08 budget for capital outlay. Sounds about right for a new pumper. CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/24/08 - 16:49
and upon further investigation:
Fire Department The Town of Knightdale’s Fire Department is entering its fifth year. Some of the initial equipment purchased at the start up time are beginning to show wear and tear. This budget proposal includes funding for replacement pagers, turn out gear, and a new rescue pumper. Additionally, there will be a separate capital project for the construction of a fire station on the western side of Knightdale. This will be budgeted outside of the annual budget. CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/24/08 - 16:50
The department will have reached its sixth year in July. The rescue pumper will be delivered near the beginning of May. Adam Brown, the unit will be a city bought unit, no county funded apparatus. Plans for station two on Hodge road (western part of town) for final completion in February. glenn - 04/24/08 - 17:20
Are they hiring new people for this to include drivers and officers? mk - 04/25/08 - 11:10
I believe council approved the department to hire three driver operators and three part time firefighters for the three shifts. They stated later on, they will be hiring three full time firefighters and/or officers. The current station one is staffed by one Lt. and one driver operator per shift. FF262 - 04/25/08 - 12:29
Granted I realize that with smaller towns/departments comes smaller budgets, but, is it the norm for smaller towns to staff equipment with just
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2 people? I know we’re viewed as a “necessary evil” by most politicians, but with NIOSH and USFA post fire reports explaining how proper staffing can affect the safety of “us”, do the politicians and bean counters still not see the need for proper staffing?
What will it take? Will it take pulling up to a fire and letting it burn until proper compliance with “2 in/ 2 out” is met, then having the citizen go complain to the town/city coucil’s? Will something be done then??? Silver - 04/25/08 - 13:01
One must remember that Knightdale Public Safety is supplemented by public safety officers (police officers) and volunteer firefighters. The first out truck is staffed by two people but when unit arrives there is enough for “two in two out”. FF262 - 04/25/08 - 16:33
Purely personal opinion; 2 people on an apparatus just to get it on scene is understaffed and unsafe. Silver - 04/25/08 - 18:46
Silver, please elaborate on your opinion. Legeros - 04/25/08 - 18:55
Ok, I will. Using the above example; 9 am on a Monday morning, Police are tied up on a traffic accident, break-in, traffic stops (etc.). Most volunteers are at their jobs and the buzzer hits for a house fire. Two people responding on a rig is jeopardizing that crews safety, and efficiency, versus if they had a crew of 4 going on scene initially. Silver - 04/25/08 - 23:18
Think about all the departments that do not have ANY full time career staff or public safety officers. Give them some credit, great department to only be six years old. I have not heard of any problems that have faced for the most part FF262 Gold - 04/28/08 - 18:10
I have to agree- Two people staffing a responding unit is unsafe. And if they are not on the unit, you cannot depend on them being there. With the Public Safety Officer (PSO) concept, all one has to do is look back to the days that Durham tried it. There was nothing like seeing three or four city trucks called out to get three or four firefighters to the scene. I saw it happen plenty of times.
But, I also know that, based on personal experience over the pat 30 years, two people (or even one person) staffing an engine is acceptable to local governments for a variety of reasons. There is only so much money and there are way too many people with their hands in the pot.
And FF262 maskes a valid point- there are lots of fire departments with no career staffing.
Although we have come a long way over the past three decades, we still have a ways to go. There was a good cartoon posted on FIREHOUSE.com a while back that highlighted public safety funding.
://cms.firehouse.com/web/online/FireEMS-Cartoons/December-Firehousecom-Editorial-Cartoon—-Scraps/54$57630
Add http to the front. DJ (Email) - 04/28/08 - 19:39
Oops…hit the ‘post comment’ button too soon.
What they did not show in that cartoon was the EMS dog a little farther to the right…with a smaller box and…well…not much. Fortunately that does not apply too much here locally (but it does apply), but it is a sad truth nationwide. DJ (Email) - 04/28/08 - 19:43
From Kdale to EMS woes…looks like its time to moooove it on over to TWD... JB - 04/29/08 - 13:29
[ Thread seems fine so far. Comments ABOUT comments are welcome, as well. Staffing, funding, specific brands of apparatus, etc. are covered in the Knightdale threads. Like it? Don’t like it? ] Legeros - 04/30/08 - 07:09
No this is not about ‘EMS woes’ (that would be a whole seperate thread or even website). There was a comment that was made about staffing
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levels being ‘unsafe’ (which short staffing a piece of fire apparatus is unsafe). Commentary was offered about why this was, which in the end is related to funding (isn’t that always the case?). Reference was made to a posted cartoon on a national fire service website (firehouse.com), which highlighted law enforcement funding at the state and national levels as opposed to fire service funding at the state and national levels (significantly less), and a sidebar comment comparing all of it to EMS funding at the state and national levels (much more significantly less).
The gist of my comment, in case I did not make it clear, was that in the grand scheme of things, the reason that some engines are staffed with two people, some ladders are staffed with one person, concepts like Public Safety Officer persist, and EMS not getting it’s fair share of funding at the state and national levels all comes down to a limited pot (of money), different priorities on the part of the citizenry we serve, and too many hands in the pot.
We have but three options. First, we can adapt to our limited budgets and play the hand offered to us. Second, we can work to get a better hand from the deck. Or third, we can do both.
And (here is where I upset someone), if you are not at least willing to engage in a letter writing campaign to county commissioners, city council members, state legislative members, or members of congress, if you are not willing to get involved in the political processes that affect what we do and how we do it, and if you are not willing to join your associations to work for these changes and make your case known, then you really have no grounds to stand on when you make observations that (insert casue here) is inadequate or unsafe.
OK. I’m done. DJ (Email) - 04/30/08 - 12:18
One must remember that EMS charge for their services, unlike the fire department. It always appears that EMS is hiring or trying to recruit new folks, so staffing on the EMS level should not be a problem. frankie g - 04/30/08 - 13:50
The problem with EMS staffing is that there are not enough people credentialed to meet the current demand. Yes there are a number of firefighters that have NCOEMS certifications, but they ride full-time on fire apparatus.
I agree with DJ about using our outside resources, perhaps to increase funding to community colleges to hold more EMS courses. I would not be surprised to see a paramedic on every fire truck in the future….... Beach (Email) - 04/30/08 - 14:26
OK. I lied. I am not done. It’s time for the rebuttal. Mike, if it is getting too strong, we’ll go to TWD. You say the word.
I’ll take the ‘billing’ statement first. And if Olson or Chief 100 are out there, correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, we do bill for our services, but let’s put it in perspective. Two of our chief ‘payors’ are Medicare and Medicaid. Let’s look at Medicare. Medicare only pays 80% of the maximum allowable charge. In other words, what you charge and what Medicare pays are two entirely different things. Imagine going to Best Buy and picking out a Hitachi 50” 1080i flat panel plasma HDTV, with a sale price of $1,499.99. When you ring out, with tax, they tell you “That will be $1,604.99, please”. Well, you read something somewhere that it is really only worth $1,000.00, so you hand them $800.00 and walk out with your brand new TV. How long will Best Buy stay in business if they have to keep operating like that (and how long will you stay out of jail?)? Well, EMS has to operate like that all of the time- 80% of the ‘allowable’ charge. And with Medicaid, the reimbursement is something like $0.10 on the $1.00, with set limits on how much they will reimburse. So imagine buying the above TV for $80.00 instead of $800.00.
Now, how many patients on Medicaid and Medicare can make up the difference?
Well, if they are on Medicaid they generally don’t have to (they probably don’t have it anyway, which is why they are on Medicaid), and I know from my parents’ experiences with Medicare (fixed incomes and all) that they were not able to either.
And then there is a significant group of people whose address is listed as ‘SOR’ (streets of Raleigh). How much do you think we collect from them?
Yes, we do ‘bill’ for our services. Just like many fire departments ‘bill’ to recover the costs of major incidents, like train derailments, chemical plant fires, etc. But we do not collect all that we bill, and we have the https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1445[10/14/2019 8:05:56 PM] New Knightdale Fire Station - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
same needs whether or not we collect.
Now, the other point- There is a lot of validated research out there that suggests not putting a paramedic on every fire truck. If you take two systems, San Antonio and Raleigh, you will find that our cardiac arrest save rate is tremendously higher than San Antonio’s. San Antonio has many times the paramedics that we do, but our save rate is much, much higher than theirs. Why is that?
That same research points to the fact that the ‘experience’ of the paramedic plays a large role in whether you live or die. OK, those of you who know me know that I have been a paramedic for more than a few weeks. However, since I have been a WCEMS, I have responded to around twelve full arrests, or less than three for each year that I have been here, and several of them while riding the district chief unit, so I actually did not do much more than support the efforts. We have paramedics here in the county that will see fewer than that- it is strictly the luck of the draw or timing. If I had never seen a full arrest unit I came here, how good would my skills and knowledge base be? So if we have problems with gaining experience now, how is that going to be affected by placing a paramedic on every engine company (28 with RFD alone)?
Houston learned that the hard way. They have taken their paramedics off of the ambulances and fire trucks, and send them out on QRVs. The result- better save rates. If you look at the top metro areas, the systems with the fewest paramedics per 100,000 population tend to have the better save rates. Dr. Myers has a great presentation that highlights that fact.
And take full arrests out of the picture. Look just at respiratory distress calls and chest pain calls. All that wheezes is not asthma. And all MIs do not hurt. You have to learn to ‘read’ (or ‘size-up’) a patient, sometimes from across the room, and that only comes from experience and doing. More paramedics out there is not going to help. We have to hold on to experienced paramedics. That, my friends, costs money, more than what we get by billing.
And we don’t need more paramedic courses, per se. The programs are out there, it is just that there are not many people signing up. I used to teach paramedics (and firefighters) and the biggest hurdle now is quality. There are some really good programs out there, and there are some that just crank out people who can pass a test. Being a paramedic is an analytical type job that is labor-intensive at times. We have to expand the paramedic programs in ways that encourage ‘thinking’ paramedics rather than ‘reactionary’ paramedics.
OK, maybe I am done this time (probably not). DJ (Email) - 04/30/08 - 16:47
Would it be appropriate to split up the seasoned paramedics and being placing one paramedic on each ambulance. Staff more trucks that can TRANSPORT and lighten the load for current crews. Multiple agencies use this arrangement in the county and surrounding counties and do not seem to have a problem. Is it necessary to have a seasoned paramedic drive an ambulance to a hospital, while a seasoned ambulance driver could do the same. I think the system is great, but it could definitely use more ambulances. FF262 - 04/30/08 - 17:52
Me personally, I do not have a problem riding with an EMT or EMT-I. I am either doing that (part time gigs) or I am riding with a new- to-WCEMS paramedic (with varying levels of experience) (full time gig). The dual EMT-P configuration staffing pre-dates me. I would think that even if we did that we might not have enough ‘experience’ to go around. Mind you, we have some good paramedics here in the county, just some are light on experience. I saw a dual paramedic unit the other day with a combined 2 1/2 years of paramedic experience. It is a matter of matching the balance between numbers and experience. I know of a couple of counties around that the average experience level of ‘seasoned’ paramedics is less than 5 years.
BTW, check out http://www.ncems.org and go to employment. There are a lot of EMT-P openings out there, and many more that are not listed. Everyone is hurting, not just here. People are not applying for classes or jobs. And then they are not staying.
Maybe that would be an interesting thread, either here or TWD. DJ (Email) - 04/30/08 - 18:41
Ok…..after reading all that, I’ll keep my opinions strictly to the fire service. Beach (Email) - 04/30/08 - 18:49
To echo DJ’s comments about paramedics per population, if memory serves me, the City of Seattle has only six Medic units in service at any given time. Those are all ALS. Then they have Aide units (BLS ambulances). To my knowledge, no paramedics on fire apparatus. I think they
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are one of the more respected EMS delivery systems in the country. Because they have limited the number of paramedic slots, there is tremendous competition for those six units. Hence, better folks, fewer units, better service. I’m sure some EMS folks can elaborate….. harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 04/30/08 - 20:35
Why doesn’t Eastern Wake Fire enable cloest unit response rather than building a new fire station? Guest - 05/02/08 - 21:39
KPS does not utilize mutual aid. (except on I-540) They are strictly a municipal funded dept. In order to run mutual aid they either would have to receive funding from the county or contract with other depts. East Side - 05/02/08 - 22:21
they receive funding just like every other municipally in the county besides raleigh and cary from the county. duh - 05/02/08 - 22:30
Knightdale is similar to Raleigh and Cary, NOT receiving county funds, NOT! duh duh - 05/03/08 - 00:08
I’m so glad to see so many of you think you know so much about Knightdale….If you only knew the half! Please keep on, this is providing great entertainment to the ACTUAL staff / members of KPS. JBOGGS (Email) - 05/03/08 - 08:55
I heard the new Knightdale station has been put off by the town for a year or two. Heard - 05/12/08 - 08:11
What the town is doing or doing should appear soon enough at http://www.ci.knightdale.nc.us/mayorandc.. and http://www.ci.knightdale.nc.us/news/eVie... Excellent transparency on the latter link! Just wish they had an archives. Legeros - 05/13/08 - 06:34
The town’s budget message indicates construction of Station 2 is postponed. This is a PDF doc: http://www.ci.knightdale.nc.us/pdf/%20Bu..
“The tax rate of 40¢ was envisioned to fund operations and debt service for the new fire station on Hodge Road, Fire Station #2. The past several months have brought an economic operating environment of rapidly rising fuel costs and uncertainty over the national and local housing market. The budget ordinance for this year is prepared with Fire Station #2 construction postponed. The proposed budget does not use any fund balance in the General Fund as an other financing source, reversing the practice of the past several years. Approximately $122,000 will be set aside in the General Capital Reserve Fund as savings for the construction of Fire Station #2 in the future.” Legeros - 06/03/08 - 07:20
This news story reports that the Station 2 project is halted, and the town is negotiating with Eastern Wake to provide fire protection to that area, http://www.easternwakenews.com/front/sto.. Legeros - 06/12/08 - 04:54
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Motion at Night 04/19/08 36 W, 1 I - + 12 - 11
Ladder 1 in motion on Martin Street, as photographed by "John" and posted to Goodnight, Raleigh!, a site that displays night photography from Raleigh and surrounding areas. See also Goodnight, Asheville! and Goodnight, London!.
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The Cameron Village fire station looks a little different above the doors, with its trademark red letters now against a white background. The doors and the door openings have been raised to accommodate a reserve ladder. Click to enlarge:
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Raleigh Fire Department Fire Calls, 1887-1910 04/20/08 94 W, 3 I - + 15 - 13
What was the call volume of the Raleigh Fire Department before 1912, back in the volunteer era? Yours Truly has scanned several yearly reports between 1887 and 1910, and compiled them into a single PDF document . It's a bit large, 6.6. megabytes. Give it time to load. And as the introduction page points out, check this RFD historical chart or these timelines to place this information in context. These were the decades of horse- and hand-drawn apparatus, of corner alarm boxes and hydrant pressure-powered fire hoses.
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Cary's New Ladder 04/21/08 61 W, 1 I - + 14 - 9
The replacement for Truck 6 was delivered this morning. The 2008 Pierce Velocity, equipped with a 105-foot ladder and 1,500-GPM pump, will replace the town's 1993 Pierce service truck. Specs are based on Raleigh's recent Pierce ladder bid, but with a different chassis and other enhancements including a larger pump. Should be the first Velocity for the Triangle. Click to enlarge:
Now that’s sweet… Olson - 04/21/08 - 22:32
It sure does look nice…......
Anyone know if it is going to be Truck 6 or Ladder 6? Seems to me T6, note the big label on the window, but why not call it a ladder? Wondering - 04/21/08 - 22:40
It will run as Truck 6. Cary FD will be phasing out the “Truck” concept in the future and migrating to the Engine, Rescue, Ladder concept of operations. But that will require a rework of the fireground operations and a CAD change in addition to a reevaluation of assignments (currently the Company Officers on Trucks and Rescues are Lt’s, whereas on Engines and Ladders are Captains).
The replacement for Truck 7 is in construction as we speak and is more of a Rescue than a Truck. It will have a compliment of extrication tools in addition to the traditional truck company assortment, including a SCBA fill station/compressor. In the future these two trucks may be renamed as Ladder 6 and Rescue 7, but the time frame is undetermined.
Truck 6 will also serve as a reserve Ladder if L-1, L-3 or L-5 are out of service, and can act and be used as a Ladder for commercial alarms in District 6, preventing a Ladder from coming into the district. The only CAD change will be that Engine 6 will be picking up the EMS runs in District 6.
Hope that helps clear the waters… CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/21/08 - 23:08
Nice rig. It does seem confusing though, Shev. If you went with the current concept, it would seem that this ladder would become “Ladder 6”, and the new rescue-style rig would be “Truck 7”. Whatever floats your boat, I’m just glad my tax money is buying top notch equipment for you https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1449[10/14/2019 8:06:13 PM] Cary's New Ladder - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
guys. Stay Safe!! Silver - 04/22/08 - 20:31
Its T6 for now, because they had to replace a T6. To justify getting a replacement, they had to get another "Truck" 6. It may eventually be renamed L6. lee - 04/22/08 - 21:48
What other departments, local or statewide, have piggy-backed on Raleigh’s Pierce bids in recent years? Legeros - 04/22/08 - 21:54
Crystal clear now Lee, thanks… Silver - 04/22/08 - 23:03
I know that Greenville’s new Purple Pierce Engine was set up as a Piggy Back on RFD’s bid. GFR has also bought a Encore 75’ Quint and Encore Rescue in the past couple years and has two new Pierce 75’ Quints on order. Steven (Email) - 04/23/08 - 11:06
Does anyone else feel like more and more we are sitting in cockpits instead of a drivers seat? Soon I imagine we will have two joy sticks that will be used to control where we go instead of a steering wheel. Mike - 04/23/08 - 11:38
Selma Fire Department purchased an Enforcer piggybacked of raleigh about two years ago. Adam Brown - 04/24/08 - 14:29
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Black Triangles 04/21/08 41 W, 1 I - + 16 - 13
Described in this Wikipedia article as "totally silent, black triangular craft hovering or slowly cruising at low altitudes over cities and highways, usually at night and making no attempt to evade detection." Raise your hand if you've seen one.
I’ve went for a ride in one once. lee - 04/22/08 - 12:26
I have the recording. “Sure that wasn’t a Cary Medic Unit” JG - 04/27/08 - 23:07
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Minneapolis Bridge Collapse Report 04/21/08 60 W - + 13 - 8
As Firehouse.com reports, the United States Fire Administration (USFA) has released the Interstate 35W (I-35W) Bridge Collapse and Response Technical Report . The PDF-format report numbers 60 pages and examines many aspects of the August 1, 2007 incident. At the time of the collapse there were approximately 120 vehicles carrying 160 people on the bridge. The collapse killed 13 and injured 121.
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Fire on the Mountain 04/22/08 41 W, 1 I - + 10 - 14
The Asheville Citizen-Times has a handful of photo galleries of the McDowell County wildfire that has burned nearly 800 acres in the Pisgah National Forest. Click the links in the upper-right corner of this news article web page.
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Mayor Of Charleston To Speak In Raleigh To Kick Off Preservation Month 04/22/08 92 W - + 11 - 15
Mayor Joseph P. Riley Jr. of Charleston, S.C., will be the guest speaker at a kickoff event in Raleigh for national Preservation Month, which is celebrated in May. Mayor Riley’s lecture will begin at 7:30 p.m. on Monday, April 28 at the Long View Center, 118 S. Person St. The Raleigh Historic Districts Commission is sponsoring the lecture with support from Preservation North Carolina. The lecture is free and open to the public. Read the rest of the press release.
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Firefighter Events at Southern Women's Show 04/22/08 96 W, 1 I - + 12 - 11
It's that time of year again. Below are two events at this weekend's Southern Women's Show at the State Fairgrounds to benefit the North Carolina Firefighters' Burned Children Fund .
Saturday, April 26 - 3:00 p.m. Bachelor Auction to Benefit the Burned Children’s Fund Bid on a date with a local area firefighter and support a great cause. Hosted by Diane Ramsey from Mix 101.5.
Sunday, April 27 - 3:00 p.m. It’s Getting Hot in Here: Firefighter Fashion Show Benefits the Burned Children’s Fund. Fashions from Belk and sponsored by Mix 101.5.
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Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015 - Runway « Firefighter Events at… » Knightdale's New Pump… Incursions
Runway Incursions 04/25/08 85 W - + 15 - 16
Forget skipped inspections and botched repairs, this morning's New York Times article notes, what really worries aviation specialists is runway collisions. April 6 at Dallas-Fort Worth, one incident recounts, a tug pulling a 777 comes within 25 feet of an MD-80. The tug operator couldn't stop in time. Here's an FAA site dedicated to runway incursions, for pilots, controllers, and vehicle drivers. There are some stats there. For actual reports, or a database, try the Aviation Safety Report System. Search their online database by Event Type.
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Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015 - Knightdale's New « Runway Incursions » Morrisville's New Lad… Pumper
Knightdale's New Pumper 04/25/08 31 W, 1 I - + 18 - 14
Here's Knightdale's new rescue pumper as it nears completion. Due in early May, it's a Pierce with a 1,500 GPM pump and a 750 gallon water tank. Click to enlarge:
I’m guessing that this is outside of the county Contender purchase order?? Looks like a nice truck… Gooch - 04/27/08 - 00:46
Saber, Non-County contract gary - 04/27/08 - 00:48
The saber cab is the cab that all the contenders have. They just dont say saber all over them. guest - 04/27/08 - 16:54
the difference between the two is one has more options than the other, and a few inches gained in length guest2 - 04/28/08 - 08:30
Saber I think is made in Wisconsin at the better plant were contender is made in Flordia. 4447 - 04/28/08 - 17:52
Knightdale’s new pumper will be coming from Wisconsin (may 9th). There Contender came from Florida in 2006. Jd - 04/28/08 - 18:08
The better ones to me seem to come from Wisconsin. 4447 - 04/28/08 - 20:40
friends don’t let friends buy pierces made in florida… j/k sorry mike I had to CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/28/08 - 22:26
I like that CFP 7021, as a matter of fact I heard that they (Pierce Florida) was changing the name from Contender to Pretender. Can’t you see it now…... “PRETENDER, by Pierce.” Answer - 04/28/08 - 22:32
In addition, does anyone know, or even want to share about the funding of this rig? Just curious did the Town of Knightdale fund it or Wake County? Nice truck though. Answer - 04/28/08 - 22:33
municipally funded, outside of the county contract. CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/28/08 - 22:42 https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1456[10/14/2019 8:06:40 PM] Knightdale's New Pumper - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
This truck looks very similar to a contender to me. Regardless were it is made it still says Pierce on the front. The county truck is a good truck if you know how to spec. a fire truck. If it was not for the county and the apparatus committee most of the fire departments in wake county would not be riding around in new fire trucks. Guest - 04/29/08 - 13:26
And it does. Not sure if I agree that the county truck is a good truck, I have heard many departments have had problems with them. Knightdale has the option of buying what they want, regardless of the “county contract”. FF262 - 04/29/08 - 14:33
Guest, I think everyone has had their problems with the contender. It is funny though, every dept. has had the same problems. Answer - 04/29/08 - 14:57
Contender: POS Firetruck that lacks saftey options such as tak-4 suspension and roll over protection. Low bid crap. Spend a couple extra dollars to ensure that the truck is a good one and it will work even if it means only 10 new trucks are ordered per year not 20. Contender - 04/29/08 - 19:58
Definition of Contender Con`tend´er n. 1. One who contends; a contestant.
Years ago, many of the fire appratus manufacturers had two different trucks they would bid. If it wasa strictly low-bid situation, they had one truck they would bid, and for those that were not strictly low-bid, they had another truck. A sales rep for Seagrave told me that. And he showed me the difference right in their factory. Pierce did it also, as did E-One (I can show you some E-Ones in PA and NY that would rival anything Pierce has ever built). The low-bid trucks were intended to go up against smaller manufacturers, like Atlas/EEI was around here.
As the economy takes it’s path, you will probably see more Contender-type offerings. Fortunately, RFD and CFD have found a way around low- bid, but a lot of others have not. They still have the administrations that look strictly at price. I have worked for a few of them over the years. DJ (Email) - 04/29/08 - 21:24
It’s all about perspective. If you’re used to having Dash-type trucks, the Contender just doesn’t have the same quality. If you’re used to having Ford/Chevy chassis with EEI-quality bodies, you’re probably happy to get the Contender (which for some is their first custom). It’s all about the money….you get what you pay for. Chris - 04/30/08 - 07:45
There was a recommendation I ran across several years ago that was geared along the lines of “commercial” vs “custom” cab/chassis for fire apparatus. In summary, the author said that unless the unit was running over 1,000 calls/year (about 3-4/day), a commercial cab/chassis would serve just fine.
Now we all know of departments/companies that don’t run anywhere close to 1,000 runs in a year, yet they still buy full blown customized trucks.
And you’ll probably remember during the eighties, Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles, Dallas, Charlotte, etc., ordered Ford C cabs for their pumpers, and occasionally for aerials. Those companies were running thousands of calls.
(Not making an editorial comment, just some food for discussion).
Is there a point where a non-busy department is paying more than they should for apparatus? harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 04/30/08 - 11:44
To your question: No! But it looks good in the annual Christmas parade! FF262 - 04/30/08 - 13:46
I know Durham bought a few commercial style pumpers a few years ago. Anyone here from the Bull City care to comment on them? Silver - 04/30/08 - 15:21
For me it’s the simple fact that commercial cab trucks are not designed to be fire trucks period. They do not have the handling, braking,
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acceleration nor safety features that custom cab trucks should/do have. We have custom chassis now with airbags, rollover protection, independent front suspension, and braking systems that are designed for the usage that we put them through. Yes commercial cabs will run forever if they are being used as a pepsi delivery truck that runs every day with the same driver and is not subjected to the rigors of emergency driving. There is also the issue of access and room within the cab. They are not user friendly during emergency operations, just look to see how high the steps are into the cabs. Not to mention the fact that these trucks are not designed to be used with SCBA seats. As for pumpers whenever you are adapting one thing to another there will be problems. It’s why single source manufacturers are so sought after. It’s a one stop shop and they design the chassis and cabs to be fire trucks, not concrete trucks or trash trucks.
I also think you get more service life out of a custom cab/chassis because it is doing what it is designed to do. For tenders and the like commercial cabs are fine, as the speed should be limited on these trucks anyways as the new NFPA 1901 standard dictates. CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/30/08 - 16:14
How will this unit and the new station affect the apparatus line up? Is there still a unit at public works? What is the fate of the old Guilford College Telesqurt and Service unit. Thanks. Steven (Email) - 05/02/08 - 16:49
Plans are, to have a rescue pumper placed at station two and run with a driver/operator and firefighter. A 2003 International commercial cab pumper is housed at the public works location and is rolled by public works personnel during the day and volunteer personnel at night. The telesquirt is currently ran as a ladder truck (station one) but it has some age on it. I believe they are trying to obtain a grant for a new ladder truck. Hope that helps! Hinton - 05/02/08 - 20:33
I would tend to agree with CFP 7021. But…those pesky budgets and politicians get involved. And then there are those people that tend to think that schools, parks, greenways, and libraries are way more important than fire trucks that are seldom used. Whereas the older commercial chassis tended to last longer, they were much better built. The current Freightliners and Navistars are just not built to the same standard. I would take the 1962 Chevrolet that was Yrac #1 over a modern day Freightliner or Navistar any day.
I do think that sometimes we overspend on some of the trucks. Although I have always liked all of the stainless and chrome trim, along with the bells, in my old age, with a mortgage and an annual property tax bill… I do question some of the expenses. While the younger me that lived for the pager thought “spare no expense for a nice truck”, the older curmudgeon I am becoming takes the stance that if it does not contribute to the firefighting function of the vehicle or the safety of the occupants, then maybe it is a bit much. And I am also not one for all of these multi-mission trucks. It seems that they do a lot of stuff, but nothing real well. Oh well. I guess they did not consult me on that.
Now, if we could just get Pierce to build a 1 ton or 1 1/2 ton chassis, suitable for use as an (whispering) ambulance, then maybe we could get decent ones.
I know, I’m dreaming. DJ (Email) - 05/02/08 - 22:01
Multi-mission trucks were originally designed by the NFPA (National Fire Protection Accountants). Is it cheaper to fund the acquisition and personnel for 4 pieces of quasi-speciality function equipment to a minimum staffing standard (even if it’s 2) or invest a few more dollars in the multi-mission apparatus and assign it the same minimum staffing compliment? And you guys thought tradition was impeding the Fire Service in the US…
Our problem is the same with every other public safety discipline – we’ve learned to get by on less, do it faster, look good on television (most of the time) and therefore pretty much tank any ironclad cases for a significant change in the way we are publicly financed.
Boy have we hijacked this thread or what??? Olson - 05/04/08 - 22:22
Hijack? Nah. Any really good discussion naturally rambles. Besides, it keeps you from having to hit the back button, go to another thread, type there, go to another one, type there, etc.
“Our problem is the same with every other public safety discipline – we’ve learned to get by on less, do it faster, look good on television (most
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of the time) and therefore pretty much tank any ironclad cases for a significant change in the way we are publicly financed.” Well said, and it is against every thing we stand for to do otherwise.
But I still do not like the ‘multi-mission’ trucks. My first exposure was to “TELE-SQUIRT 11” with Anne Arundel County (MD) Fire back in the 90s. It was a 1500 gpm pumper with a 75’ telescoping boom, 500 gallons water, 250 gallons AFFF, four 1 3/4” crosslays, 1500’ 5” hose, and all of the equipment carried on a pumper.
How did it work out? They got rid of it after 4-5 years. Too big for a pumper, too little for a ladder, not enough usable storage space, and the hosebed had trouble deploying the 5” LDH. Of course, part of it had to be in the design. But one thing for sure, it sure did look good.
Most of the time I see the ‘quints’ with a 1500 gpm pump and a 300-500 gallon tank, and the pump is seldom used, the hose is seldom (if ever used), etc. Same with most of the platforms that have crosslays- never have seen them used.
OK, back to the Contender. I have not had the chance to use or drive one (probably won’t). I do remember using several trucks built on the Ford C series (the only dud was an Atlas model), and pre-90s Seagraves (awesome trucks), Pierces (they were the up-and-comer of the time), Ward LaFrances (has to be something said in running a truck with a Waukesha gasoline engine), Emergency Ones (before they got the idea to change to E-One- they were pretty good trucks), and the venerable Mack CFs and a Mack C (really awesome trucks). And of course, everyone should have to use an EEI custom at least once. It’s the difference between a Ferrari and a Yugo. I guess you could say they just don’t make them like they used to. DJ - 05/05/08 - 09:10
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Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015 - Morrisville's « Knightdale's New Pump… » NFPA Apparatus Standa… New Ladder
Morrisville's New Ladder 04/25/08 41 W, 1 I - + 13 - 13
Fresh from FDIC, Morrisville received their new KME ladder this morning. The 102-footer replaces a 1995/1985 KME/Grumman that was sold some weeks ago. MFD has been operating a quint borrowed from Parkwood in Durham County. Click to enlarge:
Nice truck! One question, what is that red pipe with the notch in the top in the background? I have wondered about that since that station was built. Kurt - 04/25/08 - 20:18
I am pretty sure it is a pump testing pit. fvfd85 (Email) - 04/25/08 - 21:04
that it is, a test pit.
Sharp looking rig, I’m sure the brothers in Morrisville are happy to finally have it in the house, it’s been a long wait! CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/25/08 - 23:43
How many will staff it? Silver - 04/26/08 - 16:24
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Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015 - NFPA Apparatus « Morrisville's New Lad… » Update on Raleigh’s O… Standards
NFPA Apparatus Standards 04/26/08 149 W - + 16 - 15
From a reader, two new articles from Fire Apparatus & Emergency Equipment magazine provide details on revisions to the NFPA apparatus standard. The articles are by C. Bob Barraclough and Robert Tutterow. Some details:
The new standard applies to all orders placed after January 1, 2009. Vehicle data recorders (VDR) on all vehicles. Automatic external defibrillators (AED) on all apparatus. Helmets stowed and secured when vehicle is moving. High-visibility traffic vests for each seated position. Five or more high-visibility traffic cones on all apparatus. Chevrons covering at least 50 percent of rear facing vertical surfaces. Chevron striping single color alternating between red and yellow, florescent yellow, or fluorescent yellow green. Chevron striping 6 inches wide. Aerials must be at least 50 feet long to be included in the aerial category. Aerials with a knuckle must have the knuckle painted with retro-reflective paint or reflective material. Foam systems not required, but highly recommended.
So am I correct in assuming these are still “optional” for apparatus purchased by Depts in NC? I believe that some states stipulate that apparatus purchased “in all or part” by taxation funds must comply with the existing NFPA standards, but I don’t believe that NC is one of them. Anyone with insight on how these may apply in NC? Olson - 04/27/08 - 11:55
The manufacturers will typically not build a fire apparatus unless it meets the current NFPA standard that is in effect. Too much liability, unless the purchaser signs a waiver. The NFPA 1901 ROP (Draft) for the 2009 edition is at http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/AboutT..
Jon, I am unaware of a N.C. (state) requirement for tax fund supported apparatus purchases to follow the NFPA standard. However, I believe the Wake Co. Fire Commission’s Apparatus Committee uses it as their standard. A.Rich - 04/27/08 - 22:47
i also heard something about adding blue lights, is this correct? JDH (Email) - 04/28/08 - 10:20
Ya’ know, I had heard something about the feds trying to come up with a “national” type lighting system. I mean, if you go to NJ blue lights are vollies, red lights are cops and chief officers of fire departments, but blue ligths down here are cops. That really wouldn’t surprise me if “they” did…. Silver - 04/28/08 - 14:56
yes thats what i heard from becky when i was in appleton the first of the year she also mentioned that she heard all fire apparatus needed to be updated as well, they were still trying to figure out the % of blue to red JDH - 04/28/08 - 20:03
It does make sense. Many years ago there was a study done about emergency light visibility. Seems like blue was the most visible behind white and amber, respectively. I don’t remember much about the report, other than it was from the early 80s.
Oh, but I can see the firestorm brewing over light colors…if it ever comes to that.
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Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015 - Update on Raleigh’s « NFPA Apparatus Standa… » Super Hose Truck Original Tiller
Update on Raleigh’s Original Tiller 04/26/08 62 W, 1 I - + 14 - 12
The 1939/1916 American LaFrance tiller that was recently auctioned in Smithfield now resides outside Angier. The private owners plan to restore the apparatus. They also welcome visitors wishing to view the apparatus, which is stored outside until its storage building is completed. They are located at 1395 James Norris Road. For more information, call them at 919-639-6421.
What does restoration of such a rig look like? As posted as a comment to the other tiller thread, here are pics of a restoration in progress in Reno, http://www.iaff731.com/History/Apparatus.. Legeros - 05/04/08 - 18:14
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Super Hose Truck 04/27/08 63 W, 2 I - + 21 - 11
Random browsing of Japanese fire sites yields this monster, found on www.rescue-119.com. Giant hose tender? Special pumping engine? Web translator provides a few details. Mitsubishi engine. 10,000 liter tank. 100 liter pumpers, plural. 100 liters of Class A foam. Can also be utilized to supply potable water after an earthquake or during water shortage. Guess it's a tanker. Click to enlarge:
with built in water filtration from what i can make out – have you noticed that none of their vehicles have chevrons on their rear ends? corner hydrant - 04/27/08 - 23:26
look! its even got fold-out steps so they can reach the top of the compartment!! JDH (Email) - 04/28/08 - 10:17
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Apex Public Safety Station #4 04/30/08 59 W, 3 I - + 14 - 11
Google finds some information about Apex #4, including this PDF-format site plan and building drawing . Located at 1615 E. Williams Street, it's listed as a 12,179 square-foot structure on 2.086 acres of land. It and other Apex developments are listed in this PDF document . This makes AFD only the third Wake County fire department with a fourth station, no?
nice looking house… I see they will be sharing it with Apex PD, similar to Firehouse 5 in Cary that has a substation in it.
And yes by all counts Apex now joins Raleigh and Cary in having 4 or more stations. CFP 7021 (Email) - 04/30/08 - 20:27
and Garner FD should be the next, at least as I understand it with a station near 70 and Rayner Rd. Maybe - 04/30/08 - 21:13
And Wendell Station #3 is planned, though several years out: http://www.easternwakenews.com/front/sto.. Legeros - 04/30/08 - 21:21
What happened to the watch desk?!?!? JBoggs - 05/01/08 - 16:37
Nothing happened to the Watch Desk. It is still there: http://www.thewatchdesk.com/forum/forumd.. Legeros - 05/01/08 - 17:01
Shev, it ain’t built yet! I ran into a few AFD guys and it seems that one day it’s in the budget, the next day it’s out. I wish them well, hopefully it’ll stay in. Silver - 05/01/08 - 23:07
yeah i see its still there but the other day that “what’s new” thread was GONE...oh well.
Apex, nice looking design! Hope it all stays on track JBoggs - 05/03/08 - 09:09
The Cary News provides an update: http://www.carynews.com/front/story/9173.. Legeros - 05/28/08 - 19:52
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Wake County Fire Commission Meeting, Thursday, 5/8 05/02/08 47 W - + 8 - 9
The next Wake County Fire Commission meeting is scheduled for Thursday, May 8, at 7:00 PM, at the Wake EMS Training Facility, located in the lower level of the Wake County Commons Building at 4011 Carya Drive. Will post agenda ahead if made available.
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Keeter Training Center Upgrades 05/03/08 63 W, 1 I - + 13 - 13
Lee Wilson has posted photos of some upgrades in progress at the Keeter Training Center, including the finishing touches on smokehouse renovations, a ventilation building under construction, and a new mobile home for SCBA training. He also has pictures of a new forcible entry prop, and the future Haz-Mat 8, a 2008 Ford F-350 Super Duty that's awaiting lettering and lighting.
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Tar Heel 578 05/03/08 64 W, 1 I - + 15 - 10
This monster truck from the Tar Heel Fire Department appeared in today's fallen firefighters parade. This web page says its a 1992 E-One purchased in 2006 from the Goodwill Fire Company in Carlisle, PA. Equipment includes communications equipment, two light towers, and a cascade system. THFD remembers Lt. Ronald Phillip Allen, Jr., who died in the line of duty on September 22, 2006. Click to enlarge:
It was a very interesting rig. There was a nice assortment of trucks at the parade yesterday. Thanks for everybody coming out. CFP 7021 (Email) - 05/04/08 - 12:05
I haven’t been to Tar Heel since the early 90’s for a meeting where they rolled out the Rescue Technician Stds (it was not a pretty scene for the OSFM). I have to assume that have a new station for this machine would have never fit in the facility we met in that night. That’s a hoss. Olson - 05/04/08 - 22:13
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Deadly History 05/04/08 39 W, 1 I - + 12 - 14
Here's a longer version of the AP story that appeared in Saturday's News & Observer, about a Civil War buff who was killed in February while attempting to disarm an old cannonball. More about cannons and their history.
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New County Apparatus 05/05/08 54 W - + 13 - 8
New brush trucks have arrived at Bay Leaf, Garner, and Rolesville. Should be about the same as last year's replacement orders, Ford chassis with Seagrave body. Also, the first Spartan/Hackney heavy rescue has arrived at Hopkins. Others departments receiving rescues include Wendell and Stony Hill. Hope to have photos soon.
I hear the Hopkins Rescue unit is a BEAST! any pics yet? JB - 05/06/08 - 22:11
I was going today, but it was a little cloudy. lee - 05/07/08 - 00:28
Fairview Brush 4 arrivied yesterday at station 1. Will be in service in a couple weeks 4447 - 05/10/08 - 07:24
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Update on Raleigh's Old Fire Bell 05/05/08 98 W - + 12 - 13
What's happening with Raleigh's old fire bell, as discovered atop Withers Hall at NCSU? The original Technician article describing the find has been followed by a handful of updates:
January 31 article on a proposal to move and use the bell in the bell tower, which presently sounds with recorded chimes. February 2 editorial supporting the plan. February 12 article on college officials and the plan. February 19 letter to the editor disagreeing with the plan. April 4 article on city officials and the plan.
Current status? The university is waiting for formal endorsement from the city.
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Photo of Raleigh's Old Fire Bell 05/05/08 41 W, 1 I - + 17 - 10
What does the 1870 bell look like? Here's a photo from Matt Robbins, the grad student who uncovered the thing and who is the champion for relocating the bell to the bell tower. Click to enlarge:
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Oldest Continually Operating Fire Company 05/05/08 429 W - + 19 - 7
The February-March edition of the Extra Alarmer, a buff’s publication from the Twin Cities, features an article on the oldest, continually operating fire company serving the city of Minneapolis. Reading same promptly compelled a question about Raleigh: what is the oldest, continually operating fire company serving our city?
Let’s go back to the end of 1912. Five volunteer fire companies stopped, and two fully-paid fire companies started. Hose Company 1 operated the equipment and occupied the facilities of the Capital Hose Company, organized and continuously operating since 1887. Hose Company 2 operated the equipment and occupied the facilities of the Rescue Hose Company, organized and continuously operating since 1870.
What about Hose Company 3, later Engine Company 3? Though they operated the equipment and occupied the facilities of the Victor Fire Company-- organized and continuously operating since 1869-- the city’s third fully-paid fire company was not placed in service until February 1913. Ergo, interruption of service.
What about the truck company? The first fully-paid ladder company was not placed in service until February 1916, a full four years after the volunteer Hook & Ladder Company was removed from service. Another interruption of service.
Is the answer Hose Company 2, later Engine Company 2? Maybe, maybe not. When Station 1 on Morgan Street was closed in 1941, three pieces of apparatus required relocation: an engine, a service ladder, and an aerial ladder. The “new” Station 1 on Salisbury Street had but a single bay, so both ladder trucks were moved to Station 2 at Memorial Auditorium. Engine 1 occupied Station 1, along with Engine 2. Or that was the plan.
Records suggest Engine 2 may have been removed from service for a period between 1941 and 1949. The latter is the year the service truck was moved to a dedicated Station 6, and thus freeing one of the spaces at Memorial Auditorium. During this time, a two-man squad truck also operated. Was it called Engine 2? Was it the second engine’s replacement? Alas, these facts are still unknown at this time.
That leaves Engine 1, which is at a minimum the second oldest, continually operating fire company serving the city of Raleigh. Organized as a Capital Hose Company in 1887, and replaced by Hose Company 1 in 1912. Thus, Engine 1 with 121 years of continual fire protection.
Future research may reveal that Engine 2 indeed takes the prize. Organized as the Rescue Steam Fire Engine Company in 1870, it was replaced by Hose Company 2 in 1912. And we can bump the Rescue period back by one year, as the organization was formed by members of the Merchants Independent Fire Company, which was organized in 1869.
Engine 2 with 139 years of continual fire protection? Could be. .
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Are They Really Reading Your Web Pages? 05/06/08 118 W - + 14 - 7
Usability guru Jakob Nielsen's newest Alertbox presents this startling but probably not surprising fact: users have time to read at most 28% of the words on a web site during an average visit. More realistically, he notes, they'll read 20% of the text on the average page. Another key point is that the percentage INCREASES as the amount of text on the page DECREASES. No duh, right? On pages with 111 words or less, for example, users read half the information.Read the whole thing. And how do you computer how many words are on your web page? Copy and paste into Microsoft Word, and choose Tools > Word Count. This blog posting numbers 122 words.
thanks for the “alertbox” link – lots of good articles cornerhydrant - 05/06/08 - 21:47
this paragraph was too long lee - 05/07/08 - 00:29
did you read about the ones that skim only are higher-literacy users – what does that make me? :( i read the whole article, plus several more on the “alertbox” site in full! cornerhydrant - 05/07/08 - 00:39
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Clayton's New Engine 05/07/08 35 W, 1 I - + 20 - 7
Our friends to the south and east received this 2008 Pierce Enforcer on Monday. The mid-mount engine (1500/1000) will be placed in service at Station 2 in some weeks. Lee took this and other photos:
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Hopkins New Rescue 05/08/08 45 W, 1 I - + 16 - 10
Lee has posted photos and details of Hopkins' new rescue truck, a 2008 Spartan MetroStar/Hackney. Delivered April 28, placed in service May 5. Equipped with light tower, cascade system, extrication tools, ground ladders, etc. He also photographed Rolesville's new brush truck, a 2008 Ford/Seagrave.
...and two others are coming, Wendell and Stony Hill. These were spec’ed and ordered as part of the county apparatus replacement program. Legeros - 05/08/08 - 05:42
Removable ‘wench’ on the Hopkins truck. How does she feel about that? HAHA - 05/08/08 - 07:27
What’s with the ‘22’ in the middle of the word ‘rescue’. Looks kinda weird clackmannan (Email) - 05/08/08 - 08:31
Thats their county station number I believe. Thats a sweet looking truck! Mke - 05/08/08 - 11:37
Yes Hopkins is Wake County Station 22. And as such that is Rescue 22. Nice looking rig that the county committee spec’d out. Looking forward to seeing Wendell and Stony Hill’s trucks.
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just noticed the lack of amber warning on the rear or anywhere else on the truck for that matter? guest - 05/08/08 - 12:38
22 is the size of the extension required on the firehouse so they could park this inside. Guests Brother - 05/08/08 - 13:43
The way “RES-22-CUE” is spelled out on the side is called “bowtying”. It’s just a different style, that’s all. Nice rig! Silver - 05/08/08 - 14:36
Go back and look at the pics from last saturdays memorial parade, Vance County Rescue Truck is numbered the same way. Accept they use a 3 digit number rnln (Email) - 05/08/08 - 15:15
It’s something that has been done for years… Silver - 05/08/08 - 18:34
As far as I can tell, the Com##pany graphic might have been started in FDNY, as in RES1CUE, RES2CUE, etc.
From a graphic stand-point, it “reads” horribly. Just like text on an arc reads poorly.
A lot of Charlotte rigs have their front bumper done as LAD27DER, etc. harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 05/08/08 - 21:56
Yeah Jeff H., take your pick; Boston, FDNY, Philly, DC, Memphis, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago. Don’t know why it started, maybe some crazy O.C.D. thing about having a graphic that isn’t “lop-sided” (RESCUE 1 versus Res1cuE)? Who knows…. Silver - 05/08/08 - 22:01
That is a nice looking truck! Long time coming, the old rescue was so overloaded with equipment it was a chore driving it around non emergency. Kermit - 05/09/08 - 16:00
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Everybody Loves a Tiller 05/08/08 60 W - + 16 - 8
Exchange with citizen on Maywood Avenue last night, after training exercise. "Excuse me, that fire truck that just drove off, the tractor-trailer truck?" "You mean the ladder truck?" "Yes, what is the role of the person in the back?" "The rear driver? He steers the rear wheels. Helps the ladder truck around tight corners." "Wow. Cool."
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Ice Cream! 05/08/08 22 W, 1 I - + 22 - 10
Seen at a shopping center in Cary. Unknown number of flavors, or if they're guaranteed to satisfy. Click to enlarge:
sacrilege!! cornerhydrant - 05/10/08 - 00:27
I know of an ambulance that is used as a DJ van. It is labeled “the jambulance” I will try to get you a picture mike. Graney - 05/13/08 - 09:43
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Rolesville EMS Merges with Eastern Wake EMS 05/08/08 87 W - + 16 - 11
Though this is probably old news for most responders, Rolesville EMS merges with Eastern Wake EMS effect July 1. There's some doc on this change in the agenda of the May 5 meeting of the Wake County Board of Commissioners. The particular agenda items are Public Hearing on the Amended Emergency Medical Transportation Service Franchise for Eastern Wake EMS, Inc. (Second Reading) and Eastern Wake EMS, Inc. Emergency Medical Service Agreement Amendments. Minutes from both should be posted in a couple weeks.
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Quarantine After Tornado in Guilford County 05/09/08 61 W - + 11 - 12
The Greensboro News-Record reports that a commercial and industrial area in Guilford County has been quarantined, while search and rescue teams, inspections and engineering crews assess and evaluate each building. The area is around US 421, I-40, NC 68, and Sandy Ridge Road. They define quarantine as meaning no traffic or employees are allowed in that area.
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Fire Commission Meeting Highlights 05/10/08 642 W - + 16 - 11
Some highlights from Thursday’s meeting of the Wake County Fire Commission. Corrections and clarifications are welcome.
The Long Range Business Plan will be presented to the County Commissioners on Tuesday, May 12. An accompanying PowerPoint presentation was shown to the Fire Commission and includes background on the Business Plan document, an overview of fire growth and its impact on firefighter safety, findings and recommendations for staffing and facilities, and the Fire Commission’s privatization of all elements of the business plan.
The Budget Committee presented the FY09 Fire Tax Budget Recommendation. For apparatus, it includes 5 engines or pumper/tankers, 3 service/rescue trucks, 6 small vehicles, and 5 tankers. For facilities, it includes both land acquisitions for East Garner Station and Wendell Falls Station, and a replacement station for Bay Leaf. It was also noted that the Fire Commission had placed ALL building projects on hold, until facility owner issues were resolved and the Long-Range Business Plan was completed.
For capital equipment, the budget includes air bottles ($10K), defibrillators and thermal imaging cameras ($89K), pagers infrastructure ($377K), PPE ($100K), and small capital ($150K). For staffing, it includes 88 paid positions. The 88 paid positions, the first of three staffing phases that continue in FY10 and FY11, are for Bay Leaf (8), Durham Highway (3), Fairview (12), Falls (12), Hopkins (6), Rolesville (6), Stony Hill (6), Swift Creek (12), Wake-New Hope (8), Western Wake (12), and Zebulon (3).
The budget committee also received 38 individual expansion requests from 13 departments, none of which were recommended for inclusion. Another 25 individual small capital requests were received from 7 departments. None were specifically included. Rather, the small capital sum ($150K) will be distributed evenly to 19 departments for small capital items.
The presentation’s debt appropriates slide included some figures on the Western Wake Station 2 closure. The estimated cost savings was $93,000, and the actual savings approximates $102,000. However, there was an accompanying loss of fire tax revenues totaling $57,000, which drops the actual savings to $44,500.
The County Manager was present during the business plan and budget portions of the meeting, and offered some budget comments and funding suggestions including (a.) looking at administrative staffing salaries and (b.) think about consolidating departments.
Those were the big items of the evening. Lots of discussion. Lots of numbers.
Other notes…
An ad hoc committee recently appointed to review the Rules of Procedure for fire commission committee membership offered recommendations on improving the equity of committee representation.
The Facilities Committee provided an update on facilities projects. Land is being looked at for both the Southeastern Wake County Fire Station (off Raynor Road) and Wendell Falls Fire Station. The committee is also taking no further action on fire station closures. They were requested to rank the list of stations evaluated for closure. They have done this and will take no further action on this matter. The Fire-Rescue office is proceeding with station closure work, notably talking to Raleigh regarding their interest in suburban fire protection contracts.
Along those lines, a draft of the fire protection agreement with the town of Cary, for coverage of Western Wake Station #2 territory, was presented. The document is still being finished.
The apparatus committee spoke on the subject of service/rescue trucks. In FY09, three such trucks will be purchased by Zebulon (50% funded), Holly Springs (23.4% funded), and Garner (45.3% funded). As each department seeks a different size truck, the committee proposed a cap on these types: small F-550 type ($150K), medium commercial type ($250K), and large custom type ($320K). It was noted that two rescues will be purchased in FY11, and both departments are requesting small types. In FY12, one will be purchased, and it is currently a large type. The committee also felt that it was more cost-effective for each department to bid their own truck. https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1478[10/14/2019 8:08:01 PM] Fire Commission Meeting Highlights - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
As usual, minutes will be posted at a later date to http://www.wakegov.com/emergency/fire/commission/minutes/. Maybe the audio recordings will be streamed someday, too.
So is the staffing plan for the upcoming year or the year after? 4447 - 05/11/08 - 10:22
Mike,
I think the 57,000 is the cost of the actual contact with Cary FD. I think the Wake will still collect tax on that property. Can anyone in the know clarify? Correction ? - 05/11/08 - 13:23
So these 88 positions, how’s it all going to work? I see Swift Creek is getting 12 people, is that for one 4-man engine company staffed 24/365? Silver - 05/12/08 - 11:55
Silver,
That is the plan. It will be a change and transition for us if the staffing comes through. There will be a lot of work involved with getting career staff going, but we can adjust if the money comes. Griggs - 05/12/08 - 14:55
As posted on the Watch Desk, the staffing issue has hit the news: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/287.. Legeros - 05/12/08 - 19:41
I dunno… they are closing a station to save a few thousand dollars, but they can ask to spend over $7 million in the same breath? Pipe dreams I think. CFP 7021 (Email) - 05/12/08 - 21:48
N&O coverage now: http://www.newsobserver.com/print/tuesda.. Legeros - 05/13/08 - 06:28
Sounds like the County Manager is finally going to get involved in trying to straighten this debacle known as the Wake County Fire Service. Strap on your seatbelts guys, this is going to be a bumpy ride! Wayne - 05/13/08 - 07:25
Oh boy, it’s never a good day when firefighters become budget numbers, and somebody with no clue what we really need starts looking at the numbers to figure out what they think needs to happen. I feel for you guys, sorta glad I moved now… Barrett - 05/13/08 - 09:46
Is that John Barrett, from FDNY via Durham FD?
The County Manager needs to be educated that every pumper, rescue and ladder DOES need to be staffed with crews of four. If this thing goes down, and he only grants 3 people per shift/per house, with vacation and sick time figured in, they’ll be riding 2 on pupmpers and a bigger mess will be created.
Mr. Cooke, please staff each unit with atleast four people, so we can make advancements in this counties’ fire service. If you let 2 people ride on a pumper/ladder/rescue, you’re setting yourself up for disaster. Silver - 05/13/08 - 10:10
It definitely seems like this is going to happen which is good but in turn it also means that a few stations has definitely been pushed closer to the closure status. I hate to see them close but I can definitely understand the money issue and that it will save thousands. RescueRanger - 05/13/08 - 10:35
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retirement system & have good benefits. They might be career jobs if you were working for a govt, but as long as you are working for a Chief who answers to a BOD, who gets elected every year, who knows what type of job security you’ll have – esp if you have to worry about your employeer getting annexed out of the fire service before you retire. Dashlight - 05/13/08 - 11:15
It sounds like in the N&O the county manager may push some Fire Chiefs out and try to push merger talks on departments. I agree 4 to a pumper is what is needed. By the chiefs asking for this it may lead to some chiefs and departments becoming nonexistent. Hope it all works out. Batt Chief 13 - 05/13/08 - 12:39
“Is that John Barrett, from FDNY via Durham FD?”
No, it is not.
As for other comments made, well it hasn’t passed through the budget process yet, who knows if it will or not. CFP 7021 (Email) - 05/13/08 - 15:37
Ok, thanks Shev….didn’t think so but had to ask. Silver - 05/13/08 - 16:11
With Ol’ Johnny boy leaving and some of the comments made by the County Manager about not needing full time fire chiefs at all of these depts, it would appear that NOW is the prime time for the creation of a TRUE Wake County Fire Rescue. Imagine the money that would be saved by only have one set of command staff and cheaper cost of benefits with a larger pool of employees. I guess we shall see! Wayne - 05/13/08 - 22:00
Wave the magic wand and endow Wake County Fire Rescue with an operations division that assumes control of all non-municipally operated fire stations. What would that look like? Fire Chief, say three Deputy Chiefs (Ops, Training, Fire Marshall), say four Battalion Chiefs (northwest, northeast, southwest, southeast). Say 17 stations, not counting those targeted for closure (BL1, BL2, DH, SH1, SH2, R, H, NH2, W1, W2, EW1, G1, G2, G3, F1, F2, SC). So 17 four-person engine companies, plus perhaps a couple others covering areas that don’t need a station, but would be quartered at municipal stations? Say 20 four-person engine companies. Ladders, rescues, tankers? Say 4 four-person ladders, 4 four-person (!) rescues, and 4 two-person (?) tankers. Special apparatus? Two air trucks, one person each. North and south. 28 × 4 + 4 × 2 + 2 × 1 = 122 people riding rigs. Plus 4 bat chiefs. How much support staff, for admin, training, services duties? Let’s add 10 more folks for the fun of it. So 144 people on the operations front? Now what would it cost? Someone else can imagine part 2. Legeros - 05/14/08 - 06:24
Mike – Lets check the math on this. 122 on rigs plus 4 Batts X 3 shifts = 382 folks for on scene ops. Then add in all the other chiefs and adm staff. 4 tankers??!! Not nearly enough for a large working fire in an area with no hydrants! 4 ladders and 4 rescues for the entire rural area of Wake County? I think a county department will have to be much larger than what you envision. Money, money, money…very large tax increaase…voted on by politicians? On top of all this, the loss of many great and dedicated firefighers from the stations some people want to shut down. [BE] (Web Site) - 05/14/08 - 11:14
You all have valid points, but I think that we are jumping the gun. Let’s wait and see what happens in when the budget is approved before we fly off the handle.
As far as “Wake County Fire Rescue” don’t hold your breath on that one. Beach (Email) - 05/14/08 - 12:26
Nobody said you had to do the whole county at once, but what would the number be if you added all those paid today at those FDs with the 88 they are asking for? Start with all newly hired FFs and build a 5yr plan to phase out the paid company chiefs to a plan like Prince Georges and Montgo Cos use with career and volunteers together. No reason it can’t work if there is as strong a volunteer motivation as BE says. They can operate tankers & 3rd due engines & other rigs Dashlight - 05/14/08 - 18:30
Or if they’re hanging out, ride first due! Silver - 05/14/08 - 19:57
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Any of several Maryland counties have the example, easily modified, if needed. Prince Georges, Montgomery, Howard, or Anne Arundel- take your pick. DJ (Email) - 05/14/08 - 20:18
Nah, they don’t want to do that! It is proof that it can work! If people would step back and see the big picture instead of their own sandbox, then maybe but I’m not holding my breath! Wayne - 05/15/08 - 10:14
I agree 100%. Wake County Fire Rescue. The county wants standardization, right? Truck committies, staffing/pay scales, TRAINING...to name a few already in place. I’ve said it before on here (it probably got edited or deleted) but there are TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO CANT LET GO of the “good ‘ol boy days”. Until those people leave, we’ll stay as we are, held back. JBoggs (Email) - 05/15/08 - 11:51
Time for a reality check for some folks. First, if it ain’t broke…..don’t fix it. Second, for those who want to have Wake County Fire Rescue, you had better run for a seat on the Wake County Board of Commissioners or find Commissioners who will vote to pay for a county-wide department. It will be costly. Will there ever be a county-wide department? Probably so. Lastly, I think many of the folks who are so interested in a county-wide department know which job they think they are going to get. I have the job I want in the fire service. I am a volunteer fireman and have been for almost 35 years….and I am not a good ‘ol boy. [BE] (Web Site) - 05/15/08 - 16:44
but it is broke… as the Fire Commission is asking for $7 million to put full time positions in each district. And that’s backed with the fact that response times are up, and the number of volunteers are down. I don’t think I’ll get any job in the “Wake County Fire Rescue” department. But as a citizen and a taxpayer I think it’s the right road to travel down. CFP 7021 (Email) - 05/15/08 - 17:22
Question for all. Is the system broke from the perspective of Joe Six Pack? Or, changing the question around, what does a broken system look like through the eyes of Joe Six Pack? What does it take for him to call his commissioner, appear “en masse” at meetings, etc. Legeros - 05/15/08 - 17:30
Its all perspective/expectations
Not sure I quite qualify as J6P but I’m not in the fire/ems service in any way. I grew up in a truly rural district in Gaston county (15+min to the next town with a paid fire service and EMS and the FD didn’t run medical calls) where the firemen came (usually from town) and picked up their 20 year old trucks when the siren+pager went off. My parents still live in the middle of 2 rural districts (can hear both of the sirens from their house).
So from that perspective as long as someone shows up with a truck within 15min or so(regardless whether the house is saved), yep..fire system is working.
Now I live in Raleigh and have seen some of our RFD friends remodel one of the buildings in our complex (despite suddenly missing 1/3 of the roof the building survived and was repaired). From that perspective I expect many staffed trucks at my door pronto when I ask for them.
I don’t think the general public understands the volume of non-fire related calls you guys are running now nor do we understand the need for 2 in 2 out, the volume of apparatus that gets dispatched for many calls and other similar concepts. Nor do I think most give it much thought. They see the trucks in the station without regard to what it takes to actually use them effectively.
I also wouldn’t say there is much sympathy for firemen getting hurt(assumed to be part of the job I supposed), one was during the fire here (steam I believe… wasn’t much reported) but when a CP&L lineman was injured by a transformer accident we knew his name and what hospital he was in so we could send flowers.
Personally I would love to see a wake fire/rescue. While the closest RFD company (4) is likely to be available, the next two are in demand (15 and 9) which means the next two closest stations to me quite often are actually county stations (Bay Leaf). Fatebringer (Email) - 05/15/08 - 18:51
Fate”“, I’ve mentioned it before, it’s called the “mirage firehouse” theory. “Joe Citizen” sees a fire truck in the firehouse with the bay door open, signifying someone’s on duty so they think all is well. What they don’t realize is that it’s staffed with only 2 people, which is understaffed.
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I’m all for “Wake Fire-Rescue”, the taxpayers deserve the best level of service possible. Silver - 05/15/08 - 21:05
BE- Like someone else has already said…the system is broke and has been for a long time. I have no intentions of leaving my current position with my department to go to work with the county if/when it happens but I DO have to contend with county depts and lack of organization,standardization, and manpower that exists. Like it has been said before, the writing is on the wall so people should start getting prepared for it.
Mike- You ask what a broken system looks like from Joe 6 Pack’s eyes, well we are all saying it. It is very frustrating to show up on a fire and your next in company shows up 2 people or worse yet, driver only! It is frustrating to have people on scene that can’t even perform the basic functions because there is no county wide standard on qualifications. I could go on, but most of us already know about the problems and as TAXPAYERS and firefighters we feel that it is time for a change Wayne - 05/16/08 - 08:40
You all keep saying how expensive it would be to have a Wake Co F/R. The answer is that it really wouldn’t cost more than it does now and you may save money on some things.
Lets look at it. Using Mont. Co, MD as an example.
Mont Co used to be just like Wake Co in that there were a bunch of little kingdoms with their own paid employees. The county stepped up and said from now on there will be a Mont Co F/R and all paid ff’s in the county are now county employees in the same position and rank as they already were.
Ok so we take all of the paid guys minus Cary/Raleigh and there is your paid staff and pretty much your rank structure. You use the D/C’s or B/C’s that depts already have as your shift chiefs. You reletter the trucks and turnout gear as it wears out. You save money on health insurance because you have so many people on one plan. It saves the employee money as well if they have to pay less for their family to be on it. If any of the ff’s are already on the state retirement system then they just keep getting it. The other ff’s now become part of the state retirement system.
Training. The County says from now on to be promoted here are the qualifications and testing procedures (Wake Co already has qualifications in place).
The county uses the money that it used to give to all of these kingdoms to operate its budget and then continues to contract back to the individual towns for fire protection as the vol depts do now and use that money as well. It would cost less to run 1 dept than 34 individual ones.
The question that someone would have to figure out is what to do with the paid fire chiefs. Some may want a admin position in the new dept and some may want to go back online if they are still young enough who knows.
Thats my 2 cents Mke - 05/16/08 - 10:03
Why only take out raleigh and cary out. There are a number of munilipal departments already in the county. I do not feel the need to become a county employee when I am already a town employee. Before everyone goes down the Wake County Department path why not encourage municipalities taking over volunteer departments. Garner, Wake Forest, Wendell, Rolesville. The rest of the unincorporated areas can be contracted from wake county to the town around it. We contract with the county for the New Hill district and we have paid staff in the station. In July we will have 3 per shift plus an intern and part time day staff. There are lots of ways to fix a malfunctioning, not broken system battchief13 - 05/16/08 - 10:26
What does a broken system look like to JSP? To answer that you have to know what the expectation is of the average, uninformed citizen. These are the people who have no idea why ‘2 in, 2 out’ is important. These are the people that have no real idea of what we do, other than spray water on the fire. They do not understand the need to perform fire attack, search and rescue, and ventilation simultaneously. And these are the folks who are obsessed with Angelina’s twins, who got sent home from American Idol, etc.
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Their expectation is that when they dial 9-1-1, the appropriate response comes. If their house is on fire, they want a lot of fire trucks (because more is better, isn’t it?), a bunch of firemen, and they want you to spray a lot of water.
And what happens? A lot of red fire trucks come out (they have no idea that ten trucks came from five different departments) and a lot of firemen were running around doing something (they are not going to count them, they just know there were a lot of them). They sprayed a lot of water, but the house still burned down, or was gutted, or whatever. And they know that you tried, but hey, you did your best. And the best part of all? A lot of people think we still have a mostly volunteer fire service here in Wake County.
JSP drives by the fire station and sees that big row of fire trucks (they sure are shiny!) and just thinks that there are hordes of firefighters sitting around waiting for the ‘big one’. And his mother, who lives in the house he grew up in, makes cookies and stuff to take down to the volunteer fire station.
THAT’S what JSP thinks is happening right now. So what constitutes a broken system?
The trucks don’t roll. The firemen don’t show up.
Here’s the kicker- it ain’t the fire chief’s main job to change it. His job is to make good with what he has and try to make changes where he can. It’s his job to make sure he is following the rules with what he has. He has to pick his battles or he becomes an ex-fire chief.
As long as the citizens don’t complain, the governing boards aren’t going to change things. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Right now, the squeaky wheel is schools, roads, taxes, and water.
As long as JSP thinks we have a mostly volunteer fire service, then he is going to be against changing that because there will be a bunch of people out there who will say “It will raise taxes”. Think about it- how many fire stations and fire trucks out there have volunteer, VFD, or vol. in the name? Is there anything wrong with volunteers? That depends upon your point of view.
Someone said something about ‘firefighters becoming budget numbers’. Guess what? You already are. We all are, whether you are a firefighter, LEO, or paramedic. That’s the way it works- crunch the numbers.
If you want to change things, make the business case for it. You have to take the emotion out of it. The county manager is a reasonable person. He presides over a pie that has to go out in different directions, much of it mandated by federal law. If you can make the business case for something, you stand a better chance rather than just saying “it’s the right thing to do”.
And if you want to change things, YOU ALL have to get involved. You have to get together and stick together.
There, I’m done, and did not even get into the ‘EMS woes’ as someone put it.
Ya’ll have a great weekend.
DJ DJ (Email) - 05/16/08 - 13:21
The fate and/or the future of the Wake Fire Service is actually in the hands of the Fire Commission, its Committees, and the ever-present guidance of the Fire/Rescue Division’s staff.
So, the Fire Commission in conjunction with the WCFR staff can either fix or demolish our existing systems. Therefore, given the Fire Commission’s appointed representation, I suppose it’s actually in the hands of the chiefs and their regions, and thus by virtue, the firefighters of Wake County themselves. Whatever happens, I guess it will be our fault or at our own hands. Look at where we are now. Our current existence is a result of our own recommendations and decisions and many of you saw it evolve since 1999. It all boils down to us to make the changes towards what we perceive as appropriate. Talk to your fire chief about the issue and project your educated and informed opinion. Hey, he is supposed to know what’s happening (because he’s probably making $80,000 a year).
So, what do we want to do?? Well, be heard at the Fire Commission meetings (you get 3 minutes to speak). Be present at the sub-committee meetings (they’re open meetings). Call or write your County Commissioner and let them know your opinions. As DJ illustrated, present a
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business case not an emotional whine. Hey, you can even form a coalition and go forward to the Fire Commission if you want. It’s still a free country (at least until the oil companies completely take over). The Good 'ole Boy - 05/16/08 - 17:41
About the Fire Commission, its role, its composition, etc., http://www.wakegov.com/emergency/fire/co.. Legeros - 05/16/08 - 18:16
Well GOB, I see the problem with true progress being the Fire Commission. The last minutes talk of changing who fills the seats so someone else sees the problem too. The names you see mentioned on the other committees are also the FDs asking for 88 firefighters to clean their bays full of replaced trucks. $80,000 or more for a brush truck and who knows what for a service truck at a rural station? I think the system is broke. The ones who should be looking out for the VFDs are instead killing a good thing. Why would they want to listen to anyone who questions them? Dashlight - 05/17/08 - 00:07
This morning’s News & Observer features a feature on the subject of staffing: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1.. Legeros - 05/17/08 - 05:52
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You've seen them in convenience stores for a few weeks now. Color cover page with mug shots and a bold logo with handcuffs. Reeks of tabloid and thus will probably make a mint. What's inside? The May 9 - May 16 issue of the Wake County edition includes mostly mug shots: Recent Arrests, Domestic Violence, Principal''s Office (arrested students), DWIs (plus Featured Impaired Driver), Mature Menaces, Sex Crimes, Wanted (with color commentary), Slammer Salon (hair don'ts), Smiles & Tears, Call a Doctor! (featuring bruises), and Sex Offenders (with street addresses!). The center spread (in pink!) features Mother Murderers and Murdering Motherings. There's also other crime stories, weird news, adoptable pets, and... restaurant health ratings. Ads include mortgage companies, debt services, and bail bondsmen. Of course. The editors take great pains to remind that all suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The fine print notes that their purpose and intent includes informing the public, assisting in deterring crime, fostering public involvement, and to "satisfy the natural curiosity of readers." They also have a web site.
Oddly, or perhaps wisely, the world’s oldest profession is exempted, or at least in the issue that I sampled. Curious. Legeros - 05/11/08 - 10:26
I enjoyed my first copy of “The Slammer” last week, great idea! I hate I didn’t come up with it! Silver - 05/12/08 - 11:51
where can I find this? jb - 05/12/08 - 14:12
Instructions on obtaining:
1. Go to nearby gas station. 2. Walk inside. 3. Look on counter. Legeros - 05/12/08 - 19:43
The funny thing about it is that the first copy I saw contained 2 people I know, one used to be a firefighter. firedriver - 05/12/08 - 19:56
I truly enjoy seeing folks I went to school with in there. Such upstanding citizens they’ve become.. Luke - 05/12/08 - 23:56
And ain’t it great when they were the ‘in’ people? DJ (Email) - 05/13/08 - 09:05
Though it took another blogger to point it out (thanks Geezer!), they have back issues on their site now!
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The slammer has caught the attention of WRAL. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/325.. Legeros - 07/22/08 - 19:04
The N&O has discovered the Slammer: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_s.. Legeros - 07/27/08 - 07:09
I would like to get the Oct. 3rd issue. How ca nI do this asap. Thanks! Dee Heald (Email) - 10/16/08 - 11:50
this is veniqua and im coming up here to let all you people know that yow need to get yourself together cause life is real short and its not nothing to play with so take me at my word and improve and some of you call on the name of jesus get your life right get incouraged and god will step in and t6ake over your problems and he just might turn everuything around and next t6o you know it you will be gettinfg out in no time wondwering how did that happen and i got 10 years its the power of god moving beyond your life but anyways pray at night and 2watch god work…..god bless you. veniqua (Email) - 08/12/09 - 09:35
I can understand incorrect grammar use on the iNt3rN3t but please take the time to capitalize Jesus and God. RescueRanger - 08/12/09 - 15:40
how can i get the oct. 3rd issue lisa mcleod (Email) - 10/17/11 - 08:55
Who’s in the Oct 3rd issue that everyone is wanting to see? Mike - 10/17/11 - 15:12
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Came across this at the local history library. The Battle For Falls Lake by Janet Steddum. With 168 pages and 39 b/w historical photos. It's available for reading at Olivia Raney Local History Library. Or you can purchase a print or electronic copy online, through Raleigh-based Lulu.com. From the Wikipedia entry: Falls Lake is a 12,500-acre artificial lake located in Durham, Wake, and Granville counties, formed by the confluence of the Eno, Little, and Flat rivers, and in turn the source for the Neuse River. Construction of the dam that holds the lake was completed in 1981.
Bit o’ trivia. To build the thing, the Army Corps of Engineers purchased property from everyone and their brother. One purchase was a part of the parcel owned by the Raleigh Fireman’s Club. They purchased 3.63 of the club’s 11.74 acres in the Bartons Creek township. The club bought the property in 1968. Legeros - 05/11/08 - 10:43
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WSOC-TV has photos and footage of yesterday's parking deck collapse in Charlotte. Second such collapse in six months. No injuries.
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Charleston Report 05/15/08 72 W - + 15 - 9
Copies of the the City of Charleston Post Incident Assessment and Enhancement Review Team Phase II Report are circulating, and can be found at charleston.net, sconfire.com, and firehouse.com, among other sites. The report numbers 272 pages and includes time lines, transcripts, unit summaries, and profiles of the fallen firefighters. There's commentary over at firefighterhourly.com, and even trivia from Dave Statter, regarding the FFH blogger and the report.
Read it tonight…...wow. Silver - 05/15/08 - 23:38
Got about a third through the report last night.
What was new info to me (an is relative to ALL fire departments), is the amount of un-permitted construction that took place at the SSS. It was non-code compliant, obstructed existing exits, and was constructed of sub-standard materials. The way the additions were constructed actually connected all of the structures together, and the resulting size would have required an automatic sprinkler system. Add to this the fact that non-authorized operations and storage were taking place at the facility. Then fill the structure with highly flammable furniture. Bad place to fight a fire.
Pay attention when doing your pre-plans! jeff harkey (Web Site) - 05/16/08 - 08:06
Holy disaster-waiting-to-happen, Batman!
Read it. Reading it again.
This is anywhere, USA.
Like JH said, pay attention doign you pre-plans. Pay attention when you are riding around. And pay attention during those EMS calls. DJ (Email) - 05/16/08 - 14:30
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Seen Monday in Morrisville, a locally-owned 1948 American LaFrance 700 Series. There are also pics on the ALF Owners Network site, include a shot of the Pennsylvania rig's original yellow color. You can imagine my double take while driving. Click to enlarge:
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ECC Awards "I Knew What To Do Award" 05/16/08 103 W - + 16 - 7
Today the City of Raleigh and the Raleigh-Wake Emergency Communications Department honors 11-year-old Kayley Lancaster for an emergency call she placed to the Raleigh-Wake County 9-1-1 Center to report that her mother had been injured in a fall. City officials will be in attendance for a ceremony at 10:30 a.m. at West Lake Middle School to present Kayley with the “I Knew What To Do Award.” This award was created to raise awareness about how children should be taught to give information and take instructions from 9-1-1 operators. Read the entire press release.
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The town of Cary has released their proposed budget for FY2009. For capital expenditures for the fire department, they include a replacement pumper, a "rescue equipment transport system," the remaining cost of a rear driveway for Station 5, and construction of Station 8 in the O'Kelly Chapel Road area. The pumper for Station 8 will be purchased in FY10.
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Apex Emergency Readiness Expo on Saturday, 5/17 05/16/08 27 W - + 13 - 10
Event notice. Apex Emergency Readiness Expo on Saturday, May 17. Time: 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Location: Fire Station 3 at 736 Hunter Street.
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Ladder 1 05/17/08 33 W, 1 I - + 14 - 8
With his body wedged low against the smokehouse, and with a parking sign still in the frame, a 17-85mm lens was just wide enough for this decent shot. Click to enlarge:
Perhaps I am biased as a Raleigh firefighter, but Ladder 1 has to be one of the nicest looking trucks around! RFD574 - 05/17/08 - 20:11
no bias needed. It is probably the nicest looking rig in the area. CFP 7021 (Email) - 05/17/08 - 20:38
Say what you want…Pierce does make some nice looking trucks. DJ (Email) - 05/17/08 - 21:13
Ladder 1 (delivered as Truck 1) will be remembered as a "classic" around here.
I still remember the day it was delivered. I took my son down to see it at KTC. Have some great pics of him with the headsets on.
I was giddy. A Raleigh FF (off-duty), came by to see it. He said, "Harkey, calm down, it’s just a fire truck."
"Nah, man. It’s much more than that."
Ask Wilson about driving it. I think he followed it around for the first couple of months…..
And the Raleigh FF mentioned above is now a Captain on Ladder One. The next time I see him, I need to ask him if he still thinks of it as "just a fire truck….." harkey (Email) (Web Site) - 05/18/08 - 08:49
You knew this was coming… so how many tillers have operated in NC, period?
Asheville
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Early motorized
Charlotte Early motorized 1970s Ward LaFrance
Durham Early motorized
Fayetteville 1950s ALF 700
Greensboro Early motorized
Raleigh 1916 ALF 17 1939 ALF 500 /1916 ALF 17 1958 ALF 700 1979 Mack / 1958 ALF 700 2004 Pierce XT
Rocky Mount 1910s ALF 1956 ALF 700 2000s Pierce
Wendell 1979 Mack / 1958 ALF (ex-Raleigh)
Wilmington Early motorized 1960s ALF
Winston-Salem Early motorized 1950s ALF (?) Legeros - 05/18/08 - 10:47
Dosen’t seem like there have been many. I always thought we were missing out down here. There were lots of them in Maryland when I was there and we could put them in a lot of places that rear-mounts could not hope to get into. DJ (Email) - 05/18/08 - 11:07
Doesn’t High Point Currently operate one? Rauer - 05/18/08 - 11:11
Actually, they do. I think their’s is pretty much like RFD’s, and if memory has not failed me, was delivered just before RFD’s. DJ (Email) - 05/18/08 - 11:13
High Point’s came in just before Raleigh. Very similar. The High Point unit is on a Dash, Raleigh is an Arrow XT. They have a light tower on the cab. Their tiller cab is painted out white, vs red for Raleigh. They may also have an extended front bumper. It is assigned to Ladder 2. jeff harkey (Email) - 05/18/08 - 12:29
High Point had a 1970’s Seagrave tiller.
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And yeah, I got to drive the RFD tiller shortly after it came in!! lee - 05/18/08 - 13:28
I wish we had 3 more…. Silver - 05/18/08 - 14:09
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Mike the 50’s Winston-Salem tiller is a Seagrave which is now owned by a ex Winston-Salem fireman who is restoring it. Rod Warner (Email) - 05/18/08 - 19:06
The Winston tiller is a 1950’s Seagrave Nellie belle ( noted for the fed firebrand in the nose) and a V-12 waukesha engine, The retired fireman is restoring it and will be used for a parade piece Clay Simmons - 05/18/08 - 22:41
Ah…the sound of the old Waukesha and Hall-Scott gas burners. The Detroit 6V71 and 8V71 engines sound good, but the raw POWER of the old, big gas burners… DJ (Email) - 05/19/08 - 07:59
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USAR 801 05/17/08 73 W, 1 I - + 14 - 10
Here's USAR 801 with its recently delivered boat trailer. There are four of these trucks, one per Task Force 8 member department (Cary, Chapel Hill, Durham, Raleigh). Each is identically equipped with water rescue equipment. The custom-built trailers will carry two inflatable boats, spare motors, generators, and lights. The trailer's third level can carry a third boat, or be used for storage. It can also be used as an observation deck. Click to enlarge:
Remembering Hurricanes Fran and Floyd and all the water that was dumped in NC, these are a welcome sight. I remember working with nothing more than jon boats, rope, life preservers, and just enough knowledge to get us killed. DJ (Email) - 05/17/08 - 21:17
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Tillers in North Carolina 05/18/08 113 W - + 6 - 11
From the Ladder 1 thread, a master list moving forward. Horse-drawn apparatus not included. Tillers served Asheville, Charlotte, Cornelius- Lemley, Durham, Greensboro, High Point, Raleigh, Rocky Mount, Shallot, Wendell, Wilmington, and Winston-Salem. Four are still active.
Asheville 1920s (?) ALF 75'
Charlotte 1917 ALF 75' 1970s Ward LaFrance
Cornelius-Lemley 1988 Seagrave 100'
Durham 1920s ALF
Greensboro 1910s/20s ALF 75'
High Point 1920s ALF 75' 1970s Seagrave 2004 Pearce Dash
Raleigh 1916 ALF 17 1939 ALF 500 /1916 ALF 17 1958 ALF 700 1979 Mack MC / 1958 ALF 700 2004 Pierce Arrow XT
Rocky Mount 1919 ALF 65' 1956 ALF 700 85'
Shalotte 1979 Mack MC / 1958 ALF 700 (ex-Wendell)
Wendell 1979 Mack MC / 1958 ALF 700 (ex-Raleigh)
Wilmington 1910s/20s model, probably ALF 1963 ALF 100' 1970s Seagrave
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In Mecklenburg County, Cornelius Fire Dept recently put into service a used Seagrave TDA bought from a department in VA. Here is a link to the website: http://www.corneliusfd.org/apparatus_ite.. Haven’t seen it in action yet, but if I recall there hasn’t been a TDA in the Charlotte/Mecklenburg area since the old Charlotte Ladder 4 (the Ward LaFrance mentioned above) was retired sometime in the mid-80’s. Coop - 05/18/08 - 19:16
Don’t think it would qualify as a ‘tiller’ per se, but at one time Swansboro had a ‘ladder trailer’. I saw it once around the early to mid 80s sitting at their old station. DJ (Email) - 05/19/08 - 11:49
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Wake County Announces Budget 05/19/08 191 W, 2 I - + 18 - 9
The Wake County budget for Fiscal Year 2009 has been announced. Read the budget doc. On the fire front, there's funding for up to 28 new full-time firefighter positions for rural fire stations. Plus nearly $4 million budgeted for construction costs of facilities. This is presumably allocated for rebuilding Bay Leaf Station 1, though that project is not named in the budget doc. The East Garner station appears budgeted for FY11.
On the EMS front, the first year of the Advance Practice Paramedic (APP) proposal will deploy seven new APP units based out of Wake Forest, Wendell, and Fuquay-Varina/Holly Springs. (Staffing additional ambulances with a single paramedic assisted by an emergency medical technician.) Also, three new peak-load units will be deployed at Cary, Six Forks, and Eastern Wake.
There's also a big honkin' law enforcement training center to be built on city property on Battle Bridge Road in southeastern Wake County. The 36,844 square-foot (!) building will house administrative, classroom, and fitness space.
There's also a neat map showing future EMS facilities through FY15. Four are co-located facilities, says the document: Fuquay-Varina, Southeast Wake, Knightdale South, and Wendell Falls. Click to enlarge:
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Assuming this budget is approved, what would be the projected distribution of this 28 firefighter positions to the county fire departments? Also, was there any details on the positions such as if they are entry-level or greater? r jones - 05/20/08 - 13:08
Unbelieveable, try for 88 and only get 28. Sad to say, but the county manager doesn’t have a clue…. Silver - 05/20/08 - 16:17
Jeff I think they are spanning out the 88 positions over a 3 year period. I thought I heard that somewhere…. Beach (Email) - 05/20/08 - 18:40
For some reason I thought a total of 200-some over 3 years…..where did I pull that from? Silver - 05/20/08 - 23:43
Jeff is correct. The long-range business plan proposed 200+ positions over three years. Legeros - 05/21/08 - 05:58
my bad…. Beach (Email) - 05/21/08 - 16:08
The FF distribution (if approved) will be decided by the Fire Commission (Staffing Committee recommendation probably). I expect less than 28 unless the tax rate is increased (i.e. county manager = 8.0, Fire Commission = 9.0). The 200+ recommended from the Long Range Business Plan and is not exactly what will come to pass ($$$) and is more of a “wish” demonstrating an expectation rather than a reality.
Also, I expect the new hires to be entry level as any higher approved positions will be promoted from within with the new employees hired in a the FF level. A.Rich - 05/23/08 - 21:20
With the continuing threat of closing embedding county stations, what is the reality of those being safe from closure? wcff - 05/24/08 - 11:50
I would submit there could be many thousands of dollars saved by closing several of the embedded stations. Those personnel affected by the closures could be transferred around the county to help with some of the lack of manning. Wake County wastes an astounding amount of money and physical resources doubling and tripling coverage that could more effectively be provided by the larger municipal department that already surrounds them, and has 24 hour coverage. FYI - 05/25/08 - 22:03
Alas, I believe transferring personnel “around the county” is not possible, as paid personnel at “county stations” are employees of their respective employer fire departments. They are not employees of a single fire protection agency. Legeros - 05/25/08 - 22:14
Do you really think it’s just as simple as closing a fire station and letting a “larger municipal department that already surrounds them, and has 24 hour coverage” handle it? WAKE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A COUNTY WATER SYSTEM! How hard is that to understand? Unless all the “municipal” departments are going to start buying tankers you can’t close the stations providing fire protection unless there is another one with identical resources within 5 miles, otherwise that area has class 10 fire protection (which means they have no fire protection). The great idea of closing Western Wake 2 saved a whopping 44k dollars, WOW, what a deal! With all that money we should be able to staff everyone with 4 per station easily, without increasing the tax rate. itsnotthatsimple - 05/25/08 - 23:08
Seems like the embedded station issue could be an excellent opportunity for a large-sized non-municipal department, or perhaps one that doesn’t yet exist but would result from mergers. Mind you, this line of thinking presumes that removing fire resources— redundant or otherwise — is a worthy objective. I’ve paid ample attention to this and remain unsure of the maximum value. But anyway, you get a large-sized department to withdraw engines and their staffing from embedded stations, but leave tankers and personnel to operate same. Water problem solved, right? What are the catches? Legeros - 05/26/08 - 07:55
Second thought on water supply. What’s the cost on installing hydrants county-wide? Is there no comparison, when the figures are laid out side-by-side? Hydrants versus tankers? Okay, that one’s probably a… pipe dream.
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Legeros - 05/26/08 - 08:00
If I were to live in an area that was being closed, I’d hope that what ever FD is now coming to my house is able to use the trucks including the tankers that my tax dollars paid for. Then they’d have the same water supply that is coming today. The FD doesn’t own those trucks, the taxpayers do. They don’t care who is driving them. Itsverysimple - 05/26/08 - 21:11
That is a entirely relevant point. The county owns a considerable chunk of the front-line apparatus at “county stations”. My musings on “remove the engines, leave the tankers” are thus rendered mostly moot. Legeros - 05/26/08 - 21:15
The county can take their P.O.S trucks back for all I care nothing but problems with em, but what do you expect…low bid trucks.. roger - 05/26/08 - 22:46
Wake County would not be a good place to have a county wide watering system, such as Johnston County. Think about it. Wake County has MULTIPLE growing municipalities. If you went tomorrow and installed fire hydrants county wide, towns would be fighting each other over annexing. You want to be like Atlanta then go right ahead.
Those of you who want to close fire stations just need to shut up. I have been watching this talk for months. You want to cut you own throats, keep that as your business and not the taxpayers whom, by the way, PAY OUR PAYCHECKS. So why would you want to take away a fire station from them. Whats more important saving a few dollars or saving lives and property? Don’t tell me on this blog, tell them! I’m sure they are dying to know….. Beach (Email) - 05/27/08 - 00:54
I have sat back and watched all this for a while now and have only one question. Why is it ok to have fire stations of different incorporations inside different cities i.e. Eastern Wake inside Knightdale, Wake New Hope inside Raleigh or surrounded by Raleigh, and several other fire stations in Wake County? That is a complete waste of taxpayer money. You want to whine and moan and groan about its not fair because you may lose your job? If you had supported the county fire department supplementing incorporated fire departments with staffing this wouldn’t be a problem. You could just be shifted to another station. But no, you had to have your own fire district and can’t realign districts because this has always been your sand box and you can’t share. A county-wide hydrant system, how’s that a bad thing? You’re already on county water, right? So how about instead of griping about the problem, jump on board or better yet, get the guys on your shift together. (Oh wait for most that’s one other guy that’s really going to help you out in the time of a call. I’m really shocked that there are not more plaques on the wall in Wake County because of the do more with less attitude.) And think about what could be better in Wake County and present it to the fire council. You talk about saving the taxpayer’s money. What’s really going to save them money ten, fifteen, twenty years from now? The system as it functions right now, or more of a county based system? But that’s right, you worried more about your paycheck and complaining that people want to shut your firehouse down because it’s just really not needed anymore. For everyone to better understand, this would be called duplication of services. But that’s right, the way it is right now is saving the taxpayers money. Mike, I apologize for this rant, but it just gets old seeing everyone bicker back and forth on a blog about how this isn’t fair and how that isn’t right. Instead of banding together, as we all are brothers and sisters and finding a better solution. Adam Brown - 05/27/08 - 01:48
County-wide water and hydrants and annexations would be less of a problem, I believe, because nearly all municipalities utilize Raleigh’s water system. Cary has their own system. Is there a third, fourth, etc. water system in Wake? Okay, maybe I am missing the point. Perhaps it is less about “availability of water” as it is “claiming the water that is available” ??? Legeros - 05/27/08 - 07:25
As far a “claiming the water avail” you drop some water lines,somebody is going to claim it. I understand your question Mike, but hey, whether we like it or not that’s just the way it is. I think about 80%(or more) of the current water used in Wake County is on Raleigh’s system. I’m not bashing a county wide water system, it’s just a little to late for that here in Wake Co. Mike can you find a map that shows the layout of the water lines? Does one even exist? Beach (Email) - 05/27/08 - 11:11
Another angle on this that I think exists is the reluctance for non-municipal areas to give up control to Raleigh or other large municipalities. When you let them come in with water lines the annexation will follow and bye-bye tax base. It seems to me that this will be inevidentable, although not for quite awhile. Seems like whoever controls the water, controls the growth, and hence controls the eventual fire protection. wcff - 05/27/08 - 12:12
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I think some of you here have lost sight of the big picture. I believe it was Adam who has said it best, why are we duplicating services? Granted, if we improve the fire service COUNTY WIDE, INCLUDING RALEIGH AND CARY, then we could solve alot of the problems. Let me state for the record that, due to all of the growth and increased call volume, I DO NOT SUPPORT CLOSING ANY FIRE STATIONS! If we were to improve the FIRE SERVICE COUNTYWIDE, we wouldn’t duplicate services! Think about it…. IF all stations were staffed with a min of 4 people all FFII and EMT certified with a standard set of operational guidelines, what would it matter honestly??? CAD would reccommend the CLOSEST STATION only! Do you really think John Q. Public cares? I can asure you that they don’t care, what they care about is that they called 911 and someone showed up to help. Should there be a county water system? You bet there should be, look at other counties, less populated then grand ol’ Wake, they have county water systems and it works fine! Don’t know how much most of you know about annexation on here, but other than some limited action by Cary, most of the annexations are at the request of DEVELOPERS and BUILDERS who are also required the put in place all of the “city services” and “tie in” into current systems. However if there were a county water system in place, it still wouldn’t matter much, in fact it may actually clow down some annexations because one of the big selling points for people when they buy a home are “city services” ie Police, water/sewer, trash collection, and fire protection. Everyone gets on here and talks about how this won’t work or that won’t work, I ask, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WON“T WORK, IF YOU DON“T TRY?! Why do we still need all of these independent fire companies and “their districts”? The county is SLOWLY trying to get away from that crap (as it should). Look what the county has done over the last few years: NO MORE FIRE TAX DISTRICTS, attempt made at apparatus standardization, “quickest” station response(which should actually be changed to CLOSEST station response), and LIMITED improvements to the communications system ( Not a knock to our telecommunicators on here, I know you can only work with what you’re given!). The county already supplies the money to these independent companies, so why not take it back and develope a better system and reallocate the money. With that comes reallocating resources, why have so many rescues and ladders in the county? Many departments that have them can’t get them out the door and if they do, it is usually driver only and/or too late to be effective on the scene. Again, it’s too easy for people to just sit back and say “it won’t work”. Come on folks sit down, lose the emotions involved, and think realistically about it. Then ask yourself…“What is really best for ALL of the citizens of Wake County?”
Okay, off the soapbox for now…I’m sure I have stirred more that a few emotions from some people! Wayne - 05/27/08 - 19:26
What would a county department mean for ISO and retirement (state for some houses and not state for others currently. If made into one department, what happens to state retirement. It is locked out from what I gather) Concerned - 05/27/08 - 23:05
In terms of the state retirement, those that are currently in the system should not see a change. Afterall, essentially all they are doing is transferring from one to another. It would be like leaving one municipality for another, it should not “lock out” the retirement. For those that are not currently in the system that will need to be worked out. It may be that there can be a one time opportunity to “buy back” a certain amount of years or something or they may just have to start new. Hopefully these independent companies already have decent retirement for these folks, which could serve as a supplement to the state retirement (most municipalities offer this as well).
In terms of ISO, well that should not be so hard either, just fix the system (or least let it operate as it is designed). I think that it is so funny when I hear people say things like “WE have to send XYZ to a structural response because ISO says so” because that is NOT true. ISO recommends a certain type of response and it is up to the AHJ to ensure that the recommended response compliment RESPONDS, FULLY STAFFED!! What I see/hear around here is the apparatus get DISPATCHED but FAIL TO RESPOND or respond without the appropriate staffing levels. ISO grading/rating also weighs heavily on: water supply,STAFFING,apparatus and equipment carried on it, and TRAINING. In my personal opinion, this is where Chief Rich (and all of his officers) and Stony Hill Fire Dept. are way out in front of everyone else here in Wake County. A structural response for them AUTOMATICALLY gets a “water supply task force” on dispatch. As many of us here are fond of saying “it is better to have it coming and turn it around if not needed, than to NOT having it coming and need it”. “It” can be any resource that may be needed ladders/rescues, tankers,manpower, specialty apparatus (air truck etc), and/or ambulances. Like I said, if the county were to take over as AHJ (as it should), then things should and could be changed to fulfill the ISO requirements/recommendations. As much as this pains me to say this, I fully believe that it needs to be said to put this ISO argument into perspective: Charleston Fire Dept was/is an ISO CLASS 1 fire dept, yet over the last year, sadly we have all learned that improper methods, attitudes, tactics, equipment, staffing, and training cost them dearly! I feel that we SHOULD NOT wait to see if that will happen here before something is done to prevent it. Does anyone else want to be the next Chief Thomas, trying to explain it all away?
Flame me if you want or pissed off at me all you want, but just think about it folks.
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Stay safe out there guys! Wayne - 05/28/08 - 11:49
Very well said Wayne…...... Jim - 05/28/08 - 13:27
This all sounds great to me; lots of good theories and ideas about our future. What we need to remember, however, is that none of this will happen if we let the fire commission decide how things will go. The "little kings" aren’t willing to relinquish their power to the county. We will never see a true county fire department if we leave it up to the individual Chiefs to essentially write themselves out of a job. Get rid of the individual departments, their politics, their chiefs and officers(I am one); make some progress or leave it be.
I would encourage all of you that like to speak your piece from behind the keyboard to get out and do some real talking at the county level. Let’s all get together and change this, seeing as we all agree that it is broken to at least some degree. Remember that nothing can be changed overnight. With intelligent letters to commissioners and the county manager offering factual information instead of rants, we can at least begin to effect change on the system.
Yes, I have left my name off of this post. No need to stir trouble at work or my vollie house. Stay safe and smart! Your_Brother - 05/28/08 - 15:54
The Wake County Board of Commissioners received public comment on the budget on Monday, which included perspectives from fire service members on staffing and notably in the context of volunteers and combination departments. The meeting was videotaped and is available at http://wake.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.p.. Legeros - 06/04/08 - 06:23
Today’s News & Observer notes the 8-cent fire tax may be approved, http://www.newsobserver.com/print/tuesda.. Legeros - 06/10/08 - 05:43
Wayne and “Your Brother” make great comments. It is true that we have extensive duplication of service and a great deal of inefficiency in the distribution of assets. Part of this is the individual fiefdoms. There is little incentive to improve the overall service level and increase efficiency because of the perceptions noted here. No one wants to lose their power base. The mere mention of “closing a firehouse” – for whatever the reason – is demonized immediately as reducing service. Never is mention of the duplication or improved service and efficiency a particular move may produce. I see little political will or willingness by the other departmental members to attempt any significant change in the current system. FYI - 06/10/08 - 21:47
FYI and “Brother” both of you good points and thanks for the support. Now I ask this of all of us out here in Wake Co and cyberland…How do we really go about changing things and where do we start? Do we start with staffing and minimum qualifications? (career and volunteer) Do we start with apparatus standarization? or Do we start with resource allocation? How do we do it? Shall we start a petition and send it around the county to get as many names attached as possible, then forward it to the Fire Commission or even the County Commission? Many of us here agree that the system is broken but do not have the power to change the system independently, but maybe as a group we can change it. We all know that the fire service, as a whole, opposes change all of the time and I always HATE to hear “Well we have been doing it this way for XX years and it works, so we are going to keep doing this way” or “This is the way we have always done it”. My normal reply is then “well fireman used to use leather buckets to fight fire and ride horse drawn pumpers to fight fire but I don’t see us doing that anymore do we?” I hope everyone read the article Mike attached or better yet, watch the video of the commission meeting and you can see for yourself what the thought processes are around here. Now, I am all for company/department pride and try my best to promote it as hard and as often as I can BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF UNDERMINDING THE BIGGER PICTURE!!! Like FYI said, it is the presence of the individual fiefdoms that get in the way and I ask again….What’s it gonna take for people to get the point? I say it is time for the county to step up and take over as AHJ and go from there. They can set up a system similar to Roanoke Co, Va or (and I can’t believe I’m gonna say this) Fairfax Co,Va where you still have volunteers and volunteer officers, including Fire Chiefs, but they ALL answer to one county chief. All of the apparatus is labeled with the county’s name on and also the volunteer dept’s or at least area’s name on it. All operational costs are covered and managed by the county fire dept. The county already does it, so why not just keep it and manage it through themselves as opposed to giving it out to the independent fire companies and letting them do whatever with it. One last thing, before anyone gets the idea that I am anti-volunteer (which is waaaayyyyy off), I have never said that the county should go 100% career, but if the volunteers are not going to get it done then it is time to move in that direction. In a county system with MANDATORY duty crews for ALL stations, you could move people around (like a full time dept) to ensure that EVERY fire station was staffed with at least 3 QUALIFIED personnel. After all that would be providing the best possible service and that what’s we all keep saying that we want to https://www.legeros.com/ralwake/photos/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=1490[10/14/2019 8:08:44 PM] Wake County Announces Budget - Legeros Fire Blog Archives 2006-2015
do,....right? In my 18 years of service, I have volunteered in an all volunteer dept and a combination dept and I have worked in an all career dept and a combination dept. I have served in a VERY rural area running 300 calls a year and I have served as a VOLUNTEER in an area that ran 25,000 calls a year and have worked in a dept that ran 2000 calls a year and with one that ran over 100,000 calls a year and I have NEVER served in an area where the system was/is as messed up as Wake County’s system. I have met and worked with some GREAT firefighters in this county and area but we all seem to agree that the system is broken, so again I ask….Where and how do we start?
Stay safe guys Wayne - 06/11/08 - 10:29
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Raleigh Announces Budget 05/20/08 205 W - + 13 - 8
The proposed FY09 budget for the city of Raleigh was announced today. Read the budget docs. Highlights include construction of Station 29 in northwest Raleigh, a new ladder company with 15 positions, a new pumper, more mobile data terminals (MDTs), and more back-up generators for fire stations. Station 29, to be located in northwest Raleigh, will serve Brier Creek and surrounding areas, house an engine and ladder, and be staffed by 30 people. The MDTs are for front-line apparatus and will provide real-time building and inspection data to personnel.
There's also an Interactive pump simulator planned, which will save an estimated 7 million gallons of water during an average training course; continuation of capital leadership training program for department personnel; and support of firefighter promotional process. Though vendor costs are rising, the budget notes, RFD is moving toward a two-year promotion list, which will lessen the frequency of the process.
Other budget items include uniform purchases deferred over past years, furnishing for remodeled administration and prevention offices, and facility and ground maintenance at the training center. For both fire and police personnel, starting salaries will increase by 5%, and then 3% increase after the academy. And there’s major capital funding for the Clarence E. Lightner Public Safety Center.
Direct links to select docs:
Introduction, http://www.raleighnc.gov/portal/server.p..
Public Safety budget, http://www.raleighnc.gov/portal/server.p..
General public improvements, http://www.raleighnc.gov/portal/server.p..
Budget presentation including some familiar photos, http://www.raleighnc.gov/portal/server.p.. Legeros - 05/20/08 - 17:28
With all the drought business going on, we shouldn’t have a problem getting that pump simulator. Silver - 05/20/08 - 23:47
what if the city council said okay, we will give you what you asked for. oh yea and since you guys do such a great job how about we give you another 3 ladders with staffing and, it looks like you could use another 4 or 5 pumpers to replace some of your older ones. thank you firefighters for doing a great job protecting the capitol city. I guess i better stop dreaming and get to work now. Eric - 05/21/08 - 08:53
Wake up Eric, you’re in “never gonna happen land”. Silver - 05/21/08 - 10:41
Here’s a press release issued on the budget and the fire department: http://www.raleigh-nc.org/portal/server... Legeros - 05/22/08 - 06:44
What about the 5% increase in the starting FF salary plus the 3% increase after the academy; and the compression that will cause in the FF pay grade? The next academy will be making more walking into KTC than the current academy that graduates in July. Interesting… hopefully an “across the board” raise is coming, but has not been mentioned yet(?). A.Rich - 05/23/08 - 21:12
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I just hope our union board is aggressively seeking out a solution to this, the sooner the better. Silver - 05/23/08 - 21:19
Compression is right! The last time we had a big "New Hire" increase like this was around 99. They increased starting pay by 14%. I remember it because that year we made first class and got 5% plus a 7% raise, which gave us 12% increase. But the 2 academies behind us got a 12% increase that year and the next year when they made first class they past or group with another 5% raise. Point being they past us in PAY! I am not complaining by no means I LOVE my job, but when you start to get first class and new senior firefighters making $1500 to $2,000 more a year than a Lt. something does seem right! I had a senior firefighter tell me one time at work, "why do I want to get promoted to driver when I make more money than you with less the headache"! Anyway we do need to be competitive with the rest of the market when it comes to starting salaries but we also need to look after the long term employees also or we could run the risk of our experienced people leaving to go elsewhere for better top pay. That is what happened at PD, that is why they are trying new incentives! But I will repeat my self I love my job and I am thankful for the money I make! Jason Lane - 05/24/08 - 12:03
I think that something you are starting to see is people leave RFD because of better opportunities. In the past, no one left and everyone put in their full 30 years. It seems people are now starting to use RFD as a stepping stone to better themselves. And to be totally honest, I don’t blame them one bit. After all, RFD isn’t going to take care of you, you have to do that for yourself. Eventually, RFD will have to take similar actions as RPD in order to keep highly motivated and experienced personnel. I also don’t think this is a problem specific to RFD, as it is a problem across the country. This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the business world. It is just now seeping down to the ranks of public safety. Johnson - 05/24/08 - 14:56
Agreed! There have been far too many increases in starting pay – which is great for the new guys – but a steady erosion of the earning power of the remaining employees. My last two promotions have seen guys here 3, 4, 5 years less and 2-4 years less time in grade making more money than I. That very obviously indicates a compression problem. And I mean the term problem, not issue. We have begun to see a degradation in company loyalty brought on by the issues noted here and above. I too love my job. I would also like to see some of the extras like the PD is given in my check and my retirement as well. FYI - 05/25/08 - 22:10
That whole retirement thing…...don’t even get me started!! Silver - 05/25/08 - 22:25
Anyone know if everything went through unscathed? Silver - 05/28/08 - 22:32
These things that yous guys are facing are the very thing that we face here in Cary Fire. I look at some of the other departments such as Apex, Fuquay, and Garner they may not make the money that we make in a big municipal departments but they rely on there “Cost of Living Check”. Which means that like you and me Jason who are in a RANKING position we have guys saying the same thing. Why do we want to promote for 2.5% or 5% more and have more of a headache when it is less of a headache just riding backwards. When I got to Cary I thought it was great when I was getting all that “COMPRESSION MONEY” until I seen people start after me and are getting as much if not more than me cause of the “Cost of Living” doesn’t effect everyone? As A.C. Rich said it not fear. Silver is right too about this is the very reason why RPD and CPD have high turnover rate. The City Raleigh and the Town of Cary says it is easy to give a few a cost of living raise than to give to everyone. But in return it is not fear that someone with less than 5 years makes as much as someone with almost 10 years or more. Now here is the flip side of all those savings: 1) More fire stations, 2) More fire equipment, 3) More fire personnel. So do you think that this is a fair trade off. jj (Email) - 05/30/08 - 09:23
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Falls FD Public Safety Day, May 31 05/21/08 31 W - + 10 - 16
Falls Fire Department is hosting a Public Safety Day on Saturday, May 31, at Wakefield High School, 2200 Wakefield Pines Drive, from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.
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Event Photography 05/22/08 129 W, 1 I - + 15 - 9
With the second set of pictures from yesterday's EMS ceremony uploading, this photographer is officially out of control. Over 300 pics are posted. So who's going to look at all those? Maybe the folks that were honored, or those who wanted to attend but couldn't. Some 170 were shot in the auditorium, and reflects a best attempt to capturing everyone on camera. Probably missed a couple folks. Learned some good lessons. Tripod with remote release is perfect. Then add a second camera body, for close-ups and such. Wish I'd had one. No fancy settings to speak of, beyond Program Shift at 1600 ISO. Saved as RAW, and the exposure scaled back on just about all of them. Good practice, and a large had by all. Watch for Lee's shots later.
Capt Joe looked good playing the bass with the stove pipe hat on. Mke - 05/23/08 - 17:23
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Sniper Kills Three at North Hills Mall 05/24/08 173 W - + 13 - 17
Looking through a stack of clippings from the Seventies finds the account of May 29, 1972, Memorial Day weekend, when a sniper killed three and wounded eight others (one critical, three serious) before turning his rifle on himself. The shooting started about 12:05 p.m., and lasted from four to six minutes. The gunman stood in the parking lot, in front of Ronson's and beside the mall entrance. U.S. Sen. B. Everett Jordon was also at the mall, making a "handshaking visit," and had gone inside just prior to the shooting. His presence was unrelated to the shooter's motive. One car crashed into a couple others, as the window was shot out, though the driver uninjured. The extent of the response to the incident isn't noted, beyond that 8 of 10 city detectives were working on the case. And that the fire department was summoned to clean the scene. The 22-year-old young man purchased his 10-shot, semi-automatic .22 rifle at Thorne's Hardware Store on South Street at 10:30 a.m. that morning.
Being that it happened in 1972, not many people know about it outside of Raleigh. If it happened today, it would be around the country (if not the world) by 1230. RFD E9 went to clean up the blood. Beacon Ambulance sent several ambulances out, along with RFD R-1. I was fourteen at the time (yes, I’m getting old). My girlfriend called me that night and told how their teacher at Carroll Jr High would not let them leave the classroom.
A friend of mine at what was then Aycock Jr High had a sister that had dated the shooter for a while just before the incident.
Amazing how back then you knew a lot of people all over the city. DJ (Email) - 05/24/08 - 15:37
We lived in Wendell at the time, about 20 minutes outside of Raleigh. My mother took me (age 6) and my older sister (age 9) to the mall to shop several days after, and I remember that there was still blood on the pavement. It really scared me, and I remember her being really upset because she had not realized that there would still be remnants of the shooting, and I remember her covering my sister’s eyes with one hand, holding my hand with her other hand and telling me to just close my eyes and follow her into the mall. It must have really made an impace because today, at 44 years old, I still remember the incident. Angie O'Neal (Email) - 10/20/10 - 23:15
I was there that day, working at Ivey’s. One woman who worked in my department went up to meet her newly wed husband for lunch. As he drove up he was shot he the head and did not survive. another man stumble into the jewelry section, front door of Iveys and fell to the floor. rhea - 07/26/12 - 19:28
The guy in the car who was meeting his newlywed wife for lunch, was Melvin Harrison Jr. He was my cousin. originally from New Bern,NC he went to school at NC State . Galax,va - 07/27/12 - 13:32
Mel was my best friend. He pledged Sigma Pi at NCSU, and I was his big brother there. His wife was named Brenda, who yes worked at Ivey’s. He went to pick her up for lunch. It was just supposed to be lunch with his beautiful young wife.
He and Brenda were my good friends. I maintained contact with her for a while. She came to my wedding, as I recall. She later remarried, and I lost contact.
My sincere best wishes to her for a happy and fulfilled life. Ken Butler (Email) - 11/11/12 - 23:35
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Vintage Advertisement 05/25/08 31 W, 1 I - + 15 - 12
Bought this on eBay, an advertisement from Fire Engineering magazine from 1920. For future use in a book of historical fire photos from around N.C. Someday. Click to enlarge:
It’s amazing to see how much NC apparatus has been featured in fire apparatus ads over the years. Ads for American LaFrance, Ward LaFrance, Snorkel, Seagrave, Darley, FWD, Howe, Pierce, Emergency One, John Bean, and Atlas come to mind. DJ (Email) - 05/25/08 - 10:41
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Ferrara for Archer Lodge 05/25/08 73 W, 1 I - + 18 - 7
Lee has posted photos of Archer Lodge's new Engine 2, a 2008 Ferrara Inferno rescue pumper, 1500/750/30. Don't see many made by Ferrara around here. Bahama has one in Durham County. From the Ferrara web site, it looks like custom pumpers have been recently delivered to E.M. Holt, Efland, Elroy, Queheel, Tobermory, Valmead, and Wilson's Mills fire departments. Ferrara aerials as well in Fayetteville, Mount Olive, and Sumter. Click to enlarge:
I’m sure it’s a better truck than these pos contenders. Nice Engine AL. nice truck - 05/25/08 - 10:11
What makes a Contender a p.o.s.? Are they breaking down? If so, is it because of the way they are driven, cared for, and maintained? Are they a p.o.s. because of the way they are spec’d? Or are they a p.o.s. because everybody else says they are? RescueRanger - 05/25/08 - 14:24
A lot of the problems are with the way they are built. Not your normal Pierce Fire Apparatus. All in all a good truck though, just a few problems here and there bubbaFire - 05/31/08 - 16:40
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Feuerwehr in Action 05/25/08 27 W - + 12 - 13
Your random YouTube video of the day, a volunteer fire department in Germany. The footage shows pager notification through fire attack and victim rescue.
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Welcome to Raleigh 05/25/08 78 W - + 10 - 17
On June 1, 1969, the city of Raleigh annexed the Brentwood subdivision, as well as an industrial district along Highway 1. The action added some 3,000 residents to the city population. The residents received one free month of municipal services, with property taxes due in 30 days. Their $1 car tags-- remember those?-- were required on the day of annexation, however. Police officers and firefighters personally delivered brochures to each household, explaining city services and citizen obligations. Ah, simpler times.
And as I remember it was opposed by the residents, as was Oak Park several years later. The industrial tract indluded what was then the Westinghouse plant on what was then North Boulevard.
Eventually the car tags gave way to stickers, which went in the lower left corner of the windshield. DJ (Email) - 05/25/08 - 13:26
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Vintage Advertisement #2 05/25/08 19 W, 1 I - + 10 - 13
Speaking of great old ads, here's a gem from 1969. It appeared in local newspapers. Click to enlarge:
I remember this one in the Raleigh Times. We were looking for a new TV and I pestered the crap out of my father to “get a Zenith like the firemen had”.
We got an RCA from Tuttle’s. DJ (Email) - 05/25/08 - 13:28
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Wrong Way Crashes 05/25/08 61 W, 1 I - + 9 - 10
This morning's triple fatality motor-vehicle accident on the Beltline is reported as caused by a wrong-way driver. That is, wrong-way and allegedly intoxicated driver. Here's an interesting article from the Federal Highway Administration on wrong-way crashes and what Washington State has tested as preventive measures. There's also an interesting sidebar on interchange designs. Photo from the News & Observer.
Lee has posted pictures and an incident summary http://www.flickr.com/photos/leewilson/2.. Legeros - 05/26/08 - 07:41
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