Twentieth Century Radicalism in Minnesota Oral History Project
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r 20th CENTURY MINNESOTA RADICALISM Interview: Jim Thombli~son, 1972 Interviewer: Alan Bruce AB: To start, Jim could we just start getting some basic information first, now, what's your middle initial. JT: C. AB: James C. Thomblinson, t-h-o-m-b ... JT: L-i-s-o-n. AB: S-o-n. And you're living right now at 812Minnesota 117th St. NE ... JT: Avenue. in AB: Avenue. In Blaine, and you say you've lived here about oh about 15 years. Society JT: Well I retired 15 years ago, I cameProject here 14 years ago. AB: And how old are you now,Radicalism Jim? JT: I'm 80 on the 11th of March.History AB: Well, as I understand it, wellHistorical as I know, we've known one Century another for a good many Oralyears. You came originally from Canada. Now what part of Canada? JT: Well I was born in eastern Canada in Renfoo County and I Minnesota went upTwentieth to northern Ontario around New and Hariberi and Cobalt and I came from there to Winnipeg. I couldn't tell you the years, but I came from Winnipeg down here in 1923. AB: Were your, were your folks immigrants to Canada? JT: No, my grandparents came from Ireland. AB: They came from Ireland. JT: On windjammers. II .. 1 AS: On windjammers. JT: Yeah. AS: Is that right. JT: Not my parents, my grandparents. AS: Yes. Well, when you were raised in eastern Renfoo County and when you started your work experience, where did you go? JT: Well I guess I worked on some farms there in Renfoo County. AS: Is that in Ontario? JT: Yes, and then I went to, don't put that thingMinnesota on, I went up to Newliskad and Haleyberg and Cobalt and Iin worked in the lumber woods there and I worked in the mines for a few weeks and they had an explosion and I quit. Then I went out west on a harvest Society Project AS: You were about how old atRadicalism that time? JT: About 17. And I worked in the lumber woods for three winters up there, the French RiverHistory Historicaland Grand Dieu, then I came down to Winnipeg andCentury I worked at odd jobs there, I worked Oral carpenter work and I delivered for Eatons store and I'd drove a bakery wagon for a while. AS: Do you remember aboutMinnesota what year that was? JT: ThatTwentieth was, well 1909 or 1910 I went up and worked in the lumber woods up there and then I drove a bakery wagon, the delivery at Eatons, I was there three years and drove this bakery wagon and we would get in $25 a week and three percent commission on, three percent commission on wholesale and six percent on, no three percent on retail and six percent on 2 .. wholesale and then one morning they informed us that they had cut the wage sto $15 a week and cut the price of bread so I quit and I came down here. AB: Well now that was about the beginning of World War I wasn't it? JT: Oh no. AB: No? JT: World War I was over in ... AB: '14 in started. Minnesota JT: Yeah, Canada went in on the 14th of August,in 1914, and everything closed down and they started the men into enlistment, that was a sort of conscription we had. Society AB: Well this reduction in your bakeryProject driving job then, reduction in pay, was that partRadicalism of this whole deal, forcing people into the army? JT: No, that wouldn't be then,History thatHistorical was after, well I guess it was too. Century Oral AB: Did you have a union when you were in Winnipeg? JT: Well I was in the IWW when I was working the lumber woods and then I was in the MinnesotaOBU in Winnipeg. AB: What'sTwentieth that? JT: One Big Union. That took in the, that was 1919, after _____ , they, at first the metal trades went out on strike and they couldn't get a settlement and one after another the different unions went out on a sympathetic strike and the employers just closed down and the internationals came in and 3 they took the charters off the wall in an awful lot of the unions and we were bringing in the unorganized and bringing them into the union, into the labor temple so fast they couldn't sign them up, they had no unions for them. Well you bring in brothers that were bottling coca-cola and all that, there was no place to put them unless they put them in with the bartenders ... AB: And this was in Winnipeg. JT: Yes . Well we , I was in the Teamsters then, I was in and of course we lost out. the Teamsters, done before the Minnesota And then I worked for the county there forin a few months, I hauled coal one winter and then I got the job in the bakery driving bread wagon and I worked there til I came down here. Society AB: What year was it that you came downProject to Minnesota? JT: 1923. Radicalism AB: Why did you come to Minnesota, J i m. JT: Because I was blacklistedHistory in HistoricalWinnipeg. AB: And for what reasonCentury were you blacklisted. Oral JT: Because I was a former union man. AB: I see. JT: Not only me, everybody,Minnesota practically everybody else . The printers,Twentieth a lot of them came to Minneapolis and St. Paul and Chicago and they got work there. AB: But now that was after the war, after the World War I . JT: Yes . AB: Did you serve in World War I? JT: Just 10 days . 4 AS: Oh. JT: In the army. AS: Well you were blacklisted in Winnipeg as far as jobs were concerned ... JT: Yes. AS: And you lost your job with the bakery? JT: No, I didn't lose my job with the bakery, I just happened to get in their one time, it was, they wanted a driver right that morning and I got in. Minnesota AS: Well then did you quit of your own volition?in JT: Yes when they ... AS: Just quit ... Society JT: When they cut the wages. Project AS: Oh I see, when they cutRadicalism the wages from 25 to 15 a week. JT: Yeah. AS: And why did you come to HistoryMinnesota?Historical JT: I have no idea,Century I was well, I had an idea that I'd hobo from Oral here to Chicago but I got down and I met an old fellow, a Rumanian Jew by the name of Bloomingberg and he had, he was deported from WinnipegMinnesota and he had American citizenship papers but he hadTwentieth a business up in Winnipeg and he was deported time of the soldier's riots, so I happened to meet him on Hennepin Avenue and he had a furniture no he had shop, a barber shop and a restaurant and a pool room. AS: In Minneapolis? 5 JT: On Hennepin Avenue in Minneapolis. And I met him, I went into his restaurant and he asked me what I was doing, I said nothing. I worked 10 days for William Bross Boiler Factory and I quit cause it didn't look like a job for the winter and I already had ordered my lunch and my supper. He bawled me out for quitting, he said work was pretty scarce here. So he went on the phone, he called up four or five numbers and then he sent me over to eastside car barns, there was a man over there hiring. And I went over there, and went in, fellow was there,Minnesota Mr. Rumsey and he was hiring a fellow by the name of Joe Bidland.in Bidland had worked there previous to that, and quit, he came back looking for a job again. Ah, Mr. Rumsey he said if we hire, I want one man Society on bridge at night, he said if I hire Projectyou this time will you stay, he said yes. So I turnedRadicalism around to go out, and he asked me were you looking for work? And I said yes but I thought you only wanted one man. Oh he said IHistory wantedHistorical an oiler at night over in the car barns and heCentury talked to me and told me they were paying 40 Oral cents an hour and if you didn't lose any time you had one night every two weeks, if you didn't lose any time during the pay period you got paid forMinnesota that night off. And he talked to me and then heTwentieth told me to go to work. Well I didn't know where Nicollet station was, he punched the ticket and I went over there and I went to work that night. I was going to stay a couple of weeks but I never got money enough to get away. AS: What year was that now, Jim? JT: That was 1933. 6 AB: And that's when you started with the, what was it called? JT: Twin City Rapid Transit Company. AB: And that was when they were running the electric street cars. JT: Yes. AB: And they had the barns, the large southside barns at Nicollet and 31st. JT: There's one at Nicollet, yes, and there's one down on Lake Street, one on 1st Avenue, 1st Avenue NortheastMinnesota Minneapolis and one up at 26th and Washington. in AB: And you stayed there then how many years? JT: It must have been about 34 years.