Fourth Series1R.39 Monday, April 14, 1969 Chaitra 24, 1891 (Saka)
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No. 39, Monday, April 14, 1969/Chailra 24, 1891 (Saka)
CoLUMNS Oral Answers to Questions-
·Starred Questions Nos. lOSS to lOSS and 1057 1-33 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos.-_ IOS6 and 10S8 to 1080 33-49 Unstarred Questions Nos. 618S to 62S1 and 62S3 to 6364 49-202 Ro-Calling Attention, etc. 202-03
Papers laid on the Table- I 203-0S Statement reo certain decisions taken relating to cement Industry. 20S-08 Shri F. A. Ahmed 206-08 Personal Explanation by Member 208-09 Demands For Grants 209-77 Department of Social Welfare 209-77 Shrimati Sudha V. Reddy 210-IS Shri Shiv Charan Lal 21S-21 Shri Kamble 222-30 Shri P. R. Thakur 230-36 Shri Sheo Narain 236-41 Shri Manoharan 242-46 Shri Z. M. Kabandole 247-49 Shri Jyotirmoy Basu 249-S3 Shri Siddayya 2S3-58 Discussion reo Defence Minister's statement on firing on Gun and Shell Factory employees and Home Minister's statement on strike in West Bengal. 277-346' Shri S. A. Dange , 278-85 Shri Hem Barua 286-90 Shrimati Sucheta Kripalani 291-95 Shri Ranga 296-300 Shri A. K. Sen 300-04 Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta 304-10 Shri J. B. Kripalani 310-12 Shrimati Sharda Mukerjee 312-17 Shri P. Ramamurti . 317-25 Shri Prakash Vir Shastri 32,6-30 Shri S. M. Joshi 330-36 Shri Swaran Singh 336-41 Shri Y. B. Chavan 341-46 Half-an-Hour Discussion- Import of Yarn by the State Trading Corporation 346-48 Shri Sitaram Kesri 346-47
*The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. LOK SABRA DEBATES
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LOK SABHA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Monday. April 14. 1969/Chailra 24. MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM AND CHE- 1891 (Saka) . MICALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) (a) Yes Sir. in November 1968 the price increases of Rs. 260 The Lok Sabha mel at Eleven 0/ the and Rs. 500 per tonne have been agreed to Clock. for laundry soap and toilet soap respectively [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] for the products 6f the organised sector. in accordance with the informal arrangement ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS of prior consultation that has been in vogue since November. 1966. There is no statutory Prices of Soaps control on price of soaps.
°1051. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE : Will (b) The increase referred to at (a) works the Minister of PETROLEUM 'AND out to about 8 %. CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS be pleased to state : (c) and (d). Yes Sir. The State Trading (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- Corporation do import tallow and distribute ment have allowed an increase in the prices it at a reasonable margin of profit to the of soaps by manufacturers; industry. But ifbecame clear by the middle of 1968 that the quantity of tallow available (b) if so, tlie percentage of this increase ; to the industry during the year would pot be sufficient to provide 60% of the facts as (c) whether it is also a fact that large assumed at the time of the last price fixation quantity of mutton tallow is being impor- in September 1967. It was also found that ted and distributed at a very reasonable there was an upward trend in the prices of margin of profit by the State Trading groundnut oil. the most important indigenous Corporation; component of the fats. (e) and (f). Yes Sir. The price revi- (d) in view of above and that big soap sions have been effected on the basis of the manufacturers like Hindustan Lever and composition of the different oils and fats in Tata Oil Mills Limited are earning huge the raw material mix from time to time. and profits. what were the compelling reasons the trend of prices in each case. The oils for Government to allow this increase; - account for a substantial portion of the cost of soap~. (e) whether there is any definite pricing policy involving increase and reduction in (g) and (h). The question is at present soap prices ; under discussion with the industry.
(f),if so. Ibe details thereof; lITf ~ f<'l1ril' : ~ ~, il ;;n;;.rr ~ f.f; ~if ~ ~ (g) whether Government propose to ask t rn them to reduce the prices of soaps as prices f~~ ?i m ~ ~~ ~am: of the raw materials have come down; and mffl SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: Mr. Speaker, into the production of soap are 66-2/3 per Sir, there are about 49 industrialists in the cent of hard oil; Tallow, groundnut oil etc. organised sector who have been registered and about 33* per cent of caustic soda with the Director-General of Technical sodium silicate and others. The price of Development. Out of these 49 there lIJ'e soap in our country depends apon the availa- about three or four like Godrej Brothers, bility of tallow. As a matter of fact, in Tatas, Swastik and Hindustan Lever who are 1966-67 tallow import was of the order of considered to be sizeable industrialiStS. The 19,000 and odd tonnes. In 1967-68 it was . total production of soap in 1967-68 was of the order of 1,27,000 and odd tonnes . about 2,16,000 tonnes in the organised sector- When the price increase was given, as has leaving aside the small-scale sector for which been referred to in the reply, the import of figures are not available. Concerning the tallow was only SO.072 tonnes. As a matter profits that this industry has made during of fact, when tallow was impor_ted on a the last three years, the figures are not larger scale, a larger quantity of 1,27,000 available at present with me. tonnes, in a period of nine months commen- cing from November 1666 to 1968--that is, ~ "'!. ~: l ~ ~,1p.f . before this price increase was given-there was actually a reduction in prices. The reduction ~ l l1 :~~~~~ T was nearly about Rs. lillo, during a period ~ 'ffiT ~ f.I; u;ff it ~,f : >tT ~ of nine months per tonne in the case of toilet soaps and Rs. 700 p lro ~ ~ ~ ~ f.I; 'IJn' ~ m~ l f. ~ ~~ T~ . ~~: ~~~, ~ ~ om: ~ ~ ~ ~ ? ain: ;;r;r ~~m i m:~ a ~~1 ~m~ l f. ~~~ T ~~i f ~ m~.1 'IJn' ~ i~;m 'I>f ~ ~ ~T rn mit ~ ffifiI; it ffi '" !o ilfo :~ ~~ fm~il; ~ if f i ~ if iI' ;srylf f.I; ~ 'lIT ~ ~ lffif m SHRI D. R. CHAVAN : The Question is THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE regarding using human waste. Already MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI there is a controversy for using mutton JAGANNATH PAHADlA): (a) to (c). In tallow. Therefore, my hon. friend will pursuance of a recommendation made by understand what will be the position if the Committee on Public Undertakings, the human waste is utilised for the manufacture LIC had in November 1966 appointed a • of soap. Committee of Actuaries to advise inler alia on the Question of premium rates. The Secondly, the allotment of tallow, as I report of the Committee is at present under said, is made by the State Trading Corpo- consideration of the Corporation. ration on the recommendations made by the Director-General, Technical. Development (d) and (e). The one-man Committee with whom all these industries In th8 organi- appointed by Government did not go into zed sector are registered. Therefore, there the matter of premium rates. is no Question of hanky-panky about it. (Interruptions) tSi\ 11>0 fifo ~~: ;;ftcrir nlE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ted. The Committee has submitted the MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. report which is under consideration of the SETHI): Sir, I would just like to mentioii Corporation. Actually the premium rate that as far as the Board of Directors is bas to judged from this point of view that concerned, there are some persons who are 95 % of the total savings of the LlC is connected with other Companies. For the distributed to the policy holders as bonus. information of the House, I would read out More or less it is an academic question. the names of members of the Board of Directors: SH,l1.I SAMAR GUHA: Considering that there are people having a very limited Shri M. R. Bhide-Chairman: monthly income, particularly employees· Sbri S. N. Desai: belonging to Class IV of the Central and Shri Akbar Hydari: State Governments and particularly peasants Shri S. V. Kanungo: having uneconomic holdings, would the Smt. Lakshmi N. Menon: Committee consider and review the rates of Dr. Daljit Singh: premium so that they may be lower? If Shri C. H. Bhabha.: not, would tbe Government consider it ? Shri Haribhai Rananbhai Bhaskar: Shri Dilip Bhose: SHRI P. C. SETHI: The Committee's Shri G. C. Das: report is under consideration of the Corpo- Shri B. D. Garware: ration. The details of the report of the Shri M .. V. Veerappa: Committee are not with me. Sbri A. Baksi: Shri A. N. M. Arunachalam: SHRI S. R. DAMAN I : The rates of Sardar Santokh Singh: premium in respect of insurance continues to be the same from the very time of the in- But the hon. Dy. Minister has perhaps ception of the LIC wbereas the business of understood that they were on other compa- the LIC has increased four times. There- nise. , fore, may I know, by what time the Govern- ment will take a final decision to reduce the As far as the computers are concerned .. ; premium ? MR. SPEAKER: It does not arise. SHRI P. C. SETHi: I have said, the Mr. Indrajit Gupta. committee's report is there; what actually we are awaiting is the Morarka Committee's . SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The most report because the rates of premium etc. are widespread complaints about the Life actually connected with expenses and the Insurance Corporation are that the interests rate of mortality and the interest that accrues of the policy-holders are not properly looked and therefore this question of expenditure into carefully. I find from the figures pub- has to be decided and by the 30th April we lished by the LIC for the hist year, that is are expecting the report and as soon as that the year ending March 31, 1967, the premium report comes we shall consider all these income amounted to Rs. 15.35 crores. reports. This is an increase of 22% over the income nf the previous year. The income has gone SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: up by 22%. Does this not indicate that The question is banging fire for the last there is a very good case for reducing the several years.. I would like to know actually premium rates and giving relief to the policy whether the finding of these committees would holders which wnuld incidently also further be final on this matter or wbether Govern- the interests of the LIC by attracting more ment will appoint some other cominittee even business? to go into tbis question; because the one- man committee was there; then tbe Morarka SHiH P. C. SETHI: That is why this Committee is there; and I think the Viswa- Committee of Actuaries was appointed. It natham Committee of ARC made certain was on the recommendation of a Committee recommendations. There ~ the original of Parliament that this committee was appoin- recommendation made by the Public Under- 13 Oral Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 ~ ) Oral Answers 14 takings Committee as early as 1966. In view ultimately have to go before the of all these reports, may I know whether Government. " Government has ever applied its mind to this question or, has it 'a1iowed this matter "l iT~~~f fi"~~am il; to be shelved by appointing committees 1 ;fR- ~ I am '!il ~ ~ (l!f) ~i ;~i ; ~ if 1973-74 we will be self-sufficient in nitro- genous fertilizers. fq'ql SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: Concerning the SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: It is a matter requirement of fertilizers during the coming which has been under the active consideration five years i.e. IV Five Year Plan, certain of the Ministry of Food and Agriculture. studies were made by the Planning. Commi- I will request the Hon. Member to put the ssion and the Ministry of Food and Agri- question to the Ministry of Food and Agricul- culture. Those studies have indicated that ture. Secondly, he said 1972-73. It is not the consumption or requirement would be 1972-73. I said that we might be self-sufficient about 37 lakh tonnes. For getting these by 1973-74. But till then whatever our require- 37 lakh tonnes of nitrogenous fertilisers, it ments in nitrogenous fertilizers, K 20 and will be necessary to have an installed. P.O. that are not likely to be produced here, capacity of 51 lakh tonnes. If all the will be required to be imported for which projects that have been contemplated and will provision will have to be made, and the be approved and which are under erection and total import will be about 1,000 crores during which are being expanded materialise, by the period of the Fourth Plan. 17 Oral Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18 ISh f1m' ltt'f ""'": ~ ~ i!i1" present position of the proposal, whether the Prime Minister will take a final decision or ~ ~ f.rt!; ~a ~ ~ f.I; ~i tbe Cabinet will do it? Where is the propo- ~ a f~ lIT'!fI it ~ M ;;nit I sal now lying and by what time is a decision expected on it ? ~ ~ it if~~~ ~ 1 T iT ~T f ~~ to have any potash-based fertiliser in this country during the Fourth plan period ? ~ ~ I ~~ aNt ~ ffi1' ~ ~ : if; ~~ a m; ~ m; ~ "¥ ~ MR. SPEAKER: The answer need not be as long. CI'RR if ~, ~~ i~ am: f~ if~~,am~~ " :~ SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: Reference has been made by my hon. friend to the rock fi;fC fif ; ~1 : ~f. if; fuif ~ ~ phosphate deposits near Udaipur in Rajasthan. SI""F:n+r ~ ~1 ;r;;r ~ ~ ? (c) As the stall holders had constructed As far as the shops are concerned, in the stalls purely as a temporary measure 1967,45 shop-owners, most of them refu- at their own cost, there is no loss of public gees, came and asked that tbey would like money. These stall holders are being to have a temporary construction of these sbifted to Mohan Singh Market on Irwin areas. They were informed that these Road, newly constructed by the N.D.M.C. plots are reserved for a park and therefore they will not be allowed; but they said SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Great statesmen "before we get another alternative shopping have been great builders of public monu- area, this may be given to us temporarily." ments and public architecture, and mediocre On an understanding that they will be statesmen produce mediocre architecture. temporarily there, it was given. Now, as Sir, we have seen these obnoxious solhattype I said, since the Mohan Singh Market is of architecture around the huge complex ready, these people are now being accommo- created by Lutyens and now we find ofter dated there. There is no loss to anybody freedom, tbe architecture full of holes and full nor to my friend Shri Sondhi. of we1rd' shops in New Delhi, and one does not know how far it reflects the character of' SURI M. L. SONDHI: The Minister has this Government. The point is that tbe used tbe word 'temporary'. The Hanuman NDMe is not an elected body and therefore Mandir will remain permanently and I hope the Minister has an oblillation to see that the Minister remains permanently! These 25 Oral Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 42 people were made to spend there Rs. 3000 ( 'Ef) ~ llhr.rr on:: ij;11f ifiif 3Jro11 to Rs. 4000 and they were told that they will remain there. Subsequently the administra- f'fi1IT ~ fmf if~.m ~ m ~ ~.m" (3) Providing a screen wall to increase iT~ the area of the cremation ground and the provision of murals. °1055. ~~""""~: am~ (4) Providing flower-boxes and a "'" qftm: ~ am: f.\'1riur, amm parking place in front of Nigam " "~~~ ~ ~ T~ Bodh Ghat. ~iT fop : (5) Beautification of the area by developing land and planting ('P) am lfl~~plm if; rn if; m- (d) T ~ work on the first phase is already the river-this area is proposed to be deve- in progress and is expected to be completed loped at bathing ghats for boating purposes. in about six months. Phase III Development of land from lT~ omr ~: ~ ~, Nigam Bodh Ghat to railway bridge for reereational and religious uses including ~~ ~~ it ~ it W lff;;r;rr if; bathing ghats. m ~ if; om if 'ffim ~ it ;;n;:r;rr ~ ~ f.!;;;ft "f1T~ f ~ i1'f ~ ~ ~ im'I' ~ : fu; SHRI K. K. SHAH: There are trees in SHRI K. K. SHAH: The whole scheme is divided into there phases. Phase I will be the boulevard and there are walking places development of a 50 ft. wide boulevard by also. "making use of the existing earthen bund'" MR. SPEAKER: Let us go to the next MR. SPEAKER: That is there in the question. statement. He asks about seeond and third phases .• SHRI KANWAR LAL ~ : Sir, he has not replied to my question. He wants SHRI K. K. SHAH: Phase II-Develop- to reply. Let him reply, Sir. . ment of land from Nigam Bodh Ghat to Buddha Vihar between the existing bund and MR. SPEAKER: He has replied. 29 Oral Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30 SHRI K. K. SHAH: The only question ('1') ~ (50) ~ if;T ~ q;: he has asked me is whether the Government ~ ~ ~ ~ of India will give them help. My answer is, 'tflf >tt 11595 li'!ii if;T it will be considered on merits. ;;ftfif; 1966-67 if ~ 24,389 ~ ~ >tt ¥f ~ 'liT 47.5 srfcIw ~ I 1f ~ ~ r.N mmI' + ~ rft;;r;rr ~ m..r 12.5 m"IiI' ~~i m : ~~ Member that agriculture forms 50 per cent of our national production and it is very mam:~l ~~ 'R ~i f important that we increase our agricultural ~ f , ffi ~ ~ T~ ~ production. Electricity being one of the major inputs to increase agricultural produc- ; ~ ~ fi f ~;; m~l ~ it tion we should reduce the rate for electricity ~i f ~ ~ ~~~ fT11l used for pumping for agricultural purposes. ~~~ ~ fiF ~ m am: SHRI NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDA : ~ Olnf f'n( ;pn 3lT!IT ~, It mwr gan In his lltatement the hon. Minister has m~i f ~ ~~lfT~ ~ mentioned that power demand will be given ~ ~ : ffi ~ ~ ~ ~ i!fr €fisc: ~ priority. May I know whether there is any scheme to integrate the different grid sys- SHRI RANGA: But the electric lines (b) if so,the salient features thereof; are passing through those villages which are and not electrified. (c) the electricity likely to be generated DR. K. L. RAO : That is true; the lines under the scheme and cost involved therein? are passing through those villages and the villagers are aOgTy that they are not getting THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION electricity. But if there are pumping sets, AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) : (a) to (c) those villages will get electricity. All these The Stakna Hydel Scbelllt whicb isa~ anomalies would be sorted out as we generate installatiqn of 3.24 MW at an estimated cost more and more of electricity and there is no of Rs. 2.3 crores ha. not yet been approved shortage. by the Government. WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ~~ m.~ . .~ Water Problem in Greater Bombay , '1059. ~T ~ ~: °1056. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: ,"m ~: WiIl the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, ~ ¢fT ~ ~ ~iT HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP- fire iffilit 'f>'T MENT be pleased to state: f'fi (a) Whether Government are aware of tbe ('fi) ~ l:!1t ~ ~ flf; anfR: am: ?cute water problem faced by the citizens of if; ~ ~ 3Hr- Greater Bombay; ttir.r Olff ~ ~ if ~ m ~ f.:rim;r;r if; (I!f') a;:r 'R ;m ~" ~ trt f. :~~~~~1 ~ ~) lRIfif ~i " ~ if ~ ~ m.nt (NI f~ "'"' ~o !O ,",0 ~~~, mm;;ITJl"IfI'Uf f~ ~ ~) ('ti) am: (I!f') : femur ~ '1C<'f ~ '«IT ~ ~ fiF ~ ~ ~ ifi1f- 'R"(I!f'T ~ ~ I ~ifiT f if"(I!f'T rm I m;flT~~ am: ~ ~ ~ ~ LT-733/69) if~~ a ~1 ~ ~ if fifriirnn ~oiT 11ft ~m (q) 3ffiTlfif ~~~~ ~ i " f~ fiF ~ ~ ~ -1060. ,,1 am. ~ ~ : ;m if;~ if~i f. l " ~ mfiF: Setting up of an Aluminium Plant Based on Gularat Bauxite i)~~~ ~if;; T ~ ~ 3l'1li\'tiT rm ¥IT ~~ rnr 1062. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDA : Will the Minister of PETROLEM ~~ f.Fit qit ~ ~ ~ RI'tu AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND ;m~; am: METALS be pleased to state: 37 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillen Answers 38 IDA Credit for TelecommunicatIon (b) The production of petroleum products Development during 1967-68 was 13769 thousand tonnes and during 1968-69 (April/February) was °1063. SHRI B. K. DAS CHOWDHURY: 13907 thousand tonoes. Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (c) The demaod of petroleum products and Diesel oil during the next three years (a) whether the International Development has been estimated.. under:- Association's team has visited India for negotiations with the Department of ('000' tonnes) Communications on the third credit sought for telecommunications development; and Year Demaod of Petroleum Demand of Products Diesel oil (b) if so, the decisions arrived at ? 1969 16113 4453 1970 18158 4463 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1971 20532 5467 MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. SETHI): (a) A World Bank Mission visited (d) The steps are being taken to meet India in the middle of January 1969, for the increasing demand of petroleum appraisal of the third telecommunications products and Diesel Oil by setting up more development Project. refineries and expand existing refineries. (b) After the Mi.sion .ubmits the Coal·llased Fertilizer Plant in Andhra Appraisal Report to the Bank, the Board Pradesll of Directors arc expected to take a decision on the amount of the credit or loan to be given for telecommunication •. ·1065. SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO : Production of Petroleum and Allied Products Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS °1064. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: Will be pleased to state: the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS (a) whether it is a fact tbat Government be pleased to .tate : arc considering a proposal to set up a coal- based fertilizer plant in Andhra Pradesh; (a) whether it is a fact that the production of petroleum and allied products h.. (b) if 10, the details thereof; and 39 Written Answers APRIL 14.'w69 Written Answers 40 (e) when Government propose to finalise Corba FertlUzer Plant. the plans? *\067. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI Y ASWANT SINGH MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND KUSHWAH: CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) to (c). The Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND question of setting up coal based fertilizer CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS plant at Ramagundam in Andhra Pradesh is be pleased to state: under consideration. It is expected that a· decision will be taken shortly. According to (a) whether a final decision has been the feasibility report prepared by tbe Fertilizer taken to locate a coal based fertilizer plant Corporation of India Ltd .• the factory when at Karba in Madhya Pradesh: .completed will produce 228,000 tonnes of Nitrogen per annum. The total proiect cost (b) if not, the reasons for the delay in has been estimated at about Rs. 72 crores. reaching a decision; ComputerisatiOD in L. I. c. (c) whether it is a fact that project report for the plant has been received by Govern- ment; and 01066. SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOU- DHURI: Will the Minister of FINANCE (d) if so, whether it has been considered? be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the progress made by the system of MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM AND, computerisation which had been introduced CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS in the Life Insurance Corporation some (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) No, Sir. time ago; (b) It was considered necessary to study (b) • the places where it has so far been the working of the coal-based projects in introduced; other countries with a view to determine the techno-economic feasibility of the process etc. (cl its impact on 'expenditure and with reference to our conditions. savings; and (c) Yes; a feasibility report has been (d) the over-aU reaction of the emplo- received. yees of the Life Insurance Corporation to it ? (d) It is under examination. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Overtime Allowance to Government Employees. MINISTRY OF FINANCE, (SHRI JAGAN- *1068. SHRI D. C. SHARMA: Will NATH PAHADIA): (a) and (b). The System the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: of computerised operations set up at Bombay, has to date covered about 4 lakhs of policies (a) whether it is a fact that the Central out of a total of 10 lakhs policies of the Government Employees drawing Rs. 500 or Bombay Divisional Office. above are not entitled to draw over-time allowance for the extra work they are called (c) It is too early to assess the impact upon to put in beyond office hours; of computerisation on expenditure and savings. The installation of Computer (b) whether it is also a fact that most of System has been done mainly to render the employees continue to perform the same better an defficient service to the policy holders duties-when they draw Rs. 500 only by and agents. earning annual increments with the efflux of time; and (d) The Class III & IV employees are opposed to the introduction of computers in (c) if so, the justiDcation for debarring LlC and have been agitating against it. such employees from over-time ? 41 Written AIISwers CHAITRA 24,1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Committee to Examine DeIbi Master r Ian MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. c. SETHI). (a) Yes, Sir. In the scheme of °1070. SHRI Y ASHPAL SINGH: Will Overtime Allowance applicable to office and the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY other comparable staffs, non-gazetted staff PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING drawing a pay of Rs. 500 p.m. or above, AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased and all gazetted officers are not entitled to to state: overtime allowance. (a) whether Government have appOinted (b) and (c). While gazetted officers as a a Q>mrriittee to examine the Delhi Master class have in this scheme been made ineligible Plan recently; for Overtime Allowance, in the case of non- gazetted staff also, in order to eliminate (b) if so, the names of the members of higher supervisory staff a pay limit for the Committee; eligibility had to be laid down. This limit at Rs. 500 is based on a specific recomffien- / dation of the Second Pay Commission. (c) their terms of reference; and (d) when ·the Committee is likely to submit its report to Government? Bank Credit to Small-Scale Industries THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND °1069 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will FAMILY PLANNING, AND WORKS, the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT state: (SHRI K. K. SHAH): (a) No, Sir. (a) Whether Shri B. N. Adarkar, Deputy (b) to (d). "Do not arise. Governor, Reserve Bank of India stated in Bombay on the 21st January, 1969 that one lakh twenty-five thousand small-scale indus- Scarcity of X:Ray Films trial concerns account for 20 per cent of the national income, but they get not more than 7 per cent of the total bank credits; °1071. SHRI LOBO PRABHU: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY "- (b) if so, the reasons why this state of PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING affairs is continuing even now; and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (e) the scheme of Government to change this? (a) whether the import of X-Ray films has been stopped; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. (b) if so, the internal production and SETHI): (a) Yes, Sir. how far it is short of the normal demand as established by previous consumption; and (b) and (c). Small-scale industry has (c) the action proposed to be taken to been recognised as a priority sector and the Natienal Credit Council has recommended meet the demand in full ? that commercial banks should increase their involvment in the financing of this sector. THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND Specific targets for increased credit to this FAMILY PLANNING, AND WORKS, sector by the commercial banks have been laid HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT down in the light of the recommendation of (SHRI K. K. SHAH): (a) No, Sir. the National Credit Council and the Reserve Bank has been watching their progress in (b) The indigenous production durina this regard. 1969 is expected to be slightly more than half 43 Wri/len Answers APRIL 14.\969 Wri/len A""wers 44 the estimated demand. The demand is Customs Act, 1962 has recently been amended approximately one million square metres. making additional provisions for the purpose of checking illegal import of nylon yam. (c) Adequate provision has been made in the Trade plans for import of medical X-Ray films to cover the gap between present indi- ,enous production and the estimated demand. 01073: ~l fio ",0 ~ : (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (b) if so, whether Government propose to raise these allowances taking into account THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the present prices of commodities and the MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY cost of living ? PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND B. S. MURTHY): (a) Government have FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, decided to provide almirahs in Type II and HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT Type III quarters constructed after 1942 in (SHRI K. K. SHAH): (a) No. which these do not exist. There is, however, no proposal to provide Barsatis and wash- (b) The question of revision of messing basin in Type II and Type IIl.quarters. allowance, dearness allowance and city compensatory allowance for Nursing persoD- Del is under consideration. (b) As the expenditure involved in· the provision of almirahs is substantial, the work has been taken up in phases. The present position is as under :- (i) Laxmibai Nagar Work com- "1076. lift ~ ~: ~ pleted. ~" " ~~.m~, (ii) Residential flats The work ammf a"{T ~ ~ 1ffi" ~ ~ over shops in is expected ifi"1 'ti'IT m fit; : Sectors V and to be com- VII, R.K. Puram pleted short- ~ ~~~ fi ;~ ~ ly. (ifi") ~if;~~il~~~if;~ (iii) Sarojini Nap!". 'Ii) ~ if; ft:ro: ~ ~~ m1rfu ma- rn 'liT ~ 'liT ~; In respect of other colonies, the work will be taken up according to the availability- (Of) ~~m~~ fi ;~~ of funds. ~1~~ fit; ~ m ~ ~ ~~;am (c) The expenditure involved in the provision of wash basins and barsatis in all (tT) m:~, w 'R: ~ 'liT ~ types II and III quarters in Delhi will be of m the order of Rs. 1.39 crores; in view of the ~~ am~" T ~if;f. i need for economy, it is not considered ~ if>T ~ ~ rn if>T f. ; ~ desirable to incur tbis expenditure. ~ Messing and Washing Allowances to Nurses ~"",~~.m~ of Delhi Hospitals. ammf "'" ~ ~ *-IIi (lift toto ~) : (ifi") ~, 'f@ I "1075. SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN: Wilt the Minister of HEALTH 'AND (Of) (a) whether there is a proposal to start a Board have agreed to string a second circuit Fertilizer Plant at Tutioorin in Madras State in the existing 132 K V transmission line during the Fourth Five Year Plan; from Burwaha to Ujjain which will enable Rajasthan to· draw almost their full share of (b) if so, the details thereof; and Satpura power. The stringing work will be taken up shortly. (c) the amount proposed to be allocated for this purpose? FixingJlf Salary of GO.erDIIIeIlt Employees THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE . After Income-Tax Dednetion MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS ·1079. SHRI MAYAVAN: Will the (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) and (b). A Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: proposal has been received from MIs Madras State Industrial Development Corporation (a) whether Government have examined Ltd. for establishing a fertilizer factory at the question of fixing the salary of their Tuticorin in two phases for production of employees after deducting Income-tax from 198,000 tonnes of ammonia and 280,500 their pay with a view to reduce the tonnes of urea per annlllll in the first phase expenses on administration; and additional 66,000 tonnes of ammonium chloride and 66,000 tonnes of soda ash per (b) if so, with what results; and annum, in the second phase with West German and Japanese collaburalion. The (c) whether Government propose to scheme involves a lotal estimated expenditure examine the feasibility of implementing such of about Rs. 50 crores inclusive of about a proposition in case Government have ~o Rs. 19.55 crores of foreign exchange. examined it ? (c) No decision in respect of the scheme THE MINISTER OF STAn: IN THE has yet bern taken. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. SETHI): (a) No, Sir. Tnnsmission of Power fr_ Satpura Project to Rajastbal> (b) Does not arise. ·1078. SHRI R. K. BIRLA: Will the (c) No, Sir. Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to state: Commissioning of Hiodustan Copper (a) whether the Central Government have . Project directed the Government of Madhya Pradesh to take early steps to facilitate the trans- .1080 SHRI BENI SHANKER mission of power from Satpura Project to SHARMA: Will. the Minister of PETRO- Rlijasthan; LEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reaction of the State Government thereto; and (a> whether the proposed airborne survey for the location of ore deposits in (c) whether the power has since been Mysore, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh transmitted ? undertaken by Government has _ious lapses; THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO): (a) to (c). (b) whether the programme is stated to At ptesent a portion of Rajasthan's share of have involved considerable expenditure satpura power is being transmitted to resulting in further delay in commissioning Rlijuthan through the existing transmission the Hindustan Copper Project at Khetri; system, but this is inadequate for the· pur- pose. At the instance of the Government (c) whether the Khetri Project has of India, the Madhya Pradesh Electricity suffered following the reported diver&ion of 49 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKAl Written Answers so funds meant for it to 'Operation Hard Rock' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and that any further diversion of funds MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY earmarked for the project would be suicidal; PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. MURTHY): (d) if so, the steps proposed to be taken in the matter for the early commissioning of (a) Year Tuberculin B.e.G. the project and to stop the diversion of test ("aerinations) funds earmarked for the purpOse ? performed THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (in lakhs) (in lakbs) MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND 1966 71.70 96.04 CHEMICALS AND MINES AND 1967 42.74 93.67 METALS (SHRI JAGANNATH RAO): 1968 33.82 85.31 (a) The proposal to undertake air-borne mineral survey in selected areas of Mysore, 221 B. C. G. Teams are operating at Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh is still under present. consideration. The question of lapses, therefore, does not arise. (b) Approximately Rs. 88.00 lakhs per year. (b) to (d). No funds meant for Hin- dustan Copper Ltd. were diverted to (c) The door-to-door scheme of mass 'Operation Hard Rock' and as such the vaccination has not failed. Between 50 to question' of delay in commissioning the 60% target has been achieved in the entire Khetri Copper Project on account of diversion country. Some of the reasons for shortfall of fund. does not arise. are as under : Tuberculin Tests and B.C.G_ Vaccinations ( i) Scattered population. 6185. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY (ii) Insufficient number of B. C. G. PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING Teams; and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (iii) Difficulty in meeting all the children at home at one time. {al the number of tuberculin tests and B. C. G. Vaccinations performed annually (d) No deaths or significant side-effects during the last three years and number of have been reported as a result of B. C. G. B. C. G. teams operating at present; vaccinations during this period. Occasio- nally some minor local reaction larger than (b) the annual cost of tuberculin tests norm,lI develops in a few cases at the and B. C. G. Vaccinations; vaccination site and slight enlargement of the regional lymph node, also takes place; but these subside without any special (c) whether it is a fact that door-to-door scheme of mass vaccination has failed and treatment. the target has hardly reached 50 per oent and if so, the reasons for the failure; and Loans Received From International Develop- (d) the number of death. that occurred ment Association as a result of B. C. G. Vaccinations during this period and number of patients suffering 6186. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will from side-effects of B. C. G., nature of the the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to side-effect.; type of treatment given and state the total amount of loans received from with what result? the International Development Association 51 Written Answers ~ 14, ~ Written Answers 52 so far' under the 50 year repayment plan (iii) deposited in a bonded store-room in with year of first instalment of repayment the curer's own premises; and and the amount payable? (iv) transferred to a wholesale dealer who THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND possesses warehouse licence for storage MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI of such produce. DESAI): The International Development Asso- ciation (an affiliate of the World Bank) has so The total amount of excise duty realised far given 22 development credits to India, from tobacco in Gujarat State during 1968, for different projects, amounting to US irrespective of the area or year of production Dollars 1,010,121,132. Each credit is repay- is Rs. 4,65,57,455. able in semiannual instalments over a period of 40 years commencing after the grace period of the first 10 years. The repayment of the Sale of Commodities at Uniform Rates first credit will start in 1971. 6188, SHRI SUBRAVELU: Will the A detailed statement on the above credits Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : is laid on tbe Table of .lbe House. [Placed in library See No LT-734/691 (a) whether the commodities like cement, coal, etc. are sold at uniform rates all over the country ; Excise Duty Realised From Tobacco Produced in Gularat (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and' . 6187. SHRI S. M. SOLANKI: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (c) the list of commodities which are sold at uniform rates? (a) the areas in Gujarat State brought under tobacco cultivation during 1968; THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). Information is being (b) the production of tobacco in this collected and will be laid on tbe Table of area during the above period ; and . the House in due course. (c) the total amount of excise duty reali- sed therefrom? Increments on Merger of Dearness Allowance With Pay THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND 6189. SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: Will the MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: DESAI): (a) An area of 1,04,668 hectares was under tobacco cultivation in Gujarat State (a> whether with the merger of Dearness during the year 1968. Allowance with pay, Government employees would be entitled to annual increment at enhanced rates admissible to employees at (b) 13,95,30,861 kgs. such higher stage of their respective pay scales as is obtained after merging the dear- (c) Tobacco produced can be disposed of ness allowance with previously drawn pay. according to one of the following four for example, those reaching the 'stage of 480 methods :- or more in the pay scale of 210-10-270-15- 480-EB-20-530 would begin getting Rs. 20 as (i) cleared on payment of duty; annual increment or not ; and (ii) deposited in a public warehouse ; (b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 53 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Writ/en Answers 54 THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (d) the Central assistance demanded and MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI granted for the implementation of these DESAI): (a) No, Sir. Schemes? (b) A portion of Dearness Allowance has THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE been treated as pay for certain specified pur- MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER poses. The scales of pay as such have not (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) In been revised as a result of the merger. The Tripura 54 villages were electrified and 4,878 increments in the various pay scales will, still remained to be electrified as on 31.3. therefore continue tobe regulatedwith reference 1969. to basic pay drawn from time to time. (b) to (d). It is proposed to electrify 14 Refusal Of Type II Accommodation By villages in Tripura during 1969-70. The Employees Occupying Type I ACcommodation Fourth Five Year Plan has not yet been fina- lised. I Per Capita Consumption Of Electricil1 in 6190. SHRI RAMACHANDRA VEERA- States PPA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, 6192. SHRI KIRIT BIKRAM DEB HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT BURMAN : Will the minister of IRRIGA- be pleased to refer to the reply given to TION AND POWER be pleased to state : Unstarred Question No. 4062 on the 24th March, 1969 and state the number of class III employees (occupying type I accommoda- (a) the latest figures of per-capita c,""su- tion) to whom type II accommodation was mption of electricity in each State and Union offered but was refused by them ? Territory in India, the All India figure and how these compare with that in Tripura ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether the per capita power MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY consumption in Tripura is comparatively too PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING low; and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.S. MURTHY): During the period from January, 1968 to February, 1969, 290 Class III emplo- (c) how far this would come in level with yees occupying type I accommodation in the the All India figure by the end of Fourth "- general pool in Delhi/New Delhi, refused Five Year Plan? to accept the allotment of type " accommodation offered to them. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) A statement giving the required infor- Rural Electrification In Tripura mation is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in library. see No LT 735/69] 6191. SHRI KIRIT BIKRAM DEB BURMAN : Will the Minister of IRRIGA- (b) Yes, Sir. TION AND POWER be pleased to state : (c) A clear picture will emerge after the Fourth Plan is finalised. (I) the number of villages electrified in Tripura SO far and how many villageS still Installed Power Capacil1 In Tripura remain to be electrified ; 6193. SHRI KIRiT BIKRAM DEB (b) the scheme for rural electrification BURMAN: Will the Minister of IRRIGA- in Tripura for 1969-70 and for the State's TION AND POWER be pleased to state : Fourth Five Year Plan; (a) the installed power capacity per- (c) the estimated cost thereof; and thousand of population in 1951 and at the 55 Written Answers APRIL 1 ~1 Written Answers 56 end of the First, Second and Third Five year to the all-India level by the end of the Plans and the increase therein over the Fourth Plan ? subsequent three annual plans in Tripura ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) the corrresponding all-India figures; MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (c) the average rate of increase therein (a) and (b). The required information is per annum over the said period in Tripura ; given in the statement. and (d) the details of the proposals under Statement Tripura's draft Fourth Five Year Plan to augment the power generating capacity in Estimated installed power generation the State and how far the· installed capacity capacity in Kilowatts per 1000 population per-thousand in Tripura is likely to come up (Public Utility Undertakings only). Beginning End of End of End of By By By of First First Second Third March March March Plan Plan Plan Plan 1967 1968 1969 (Provisional) Tripura 0.478 0.552 0.83 1.79 1.97 1.90 2.03 All-India 4.733 6.77 10.62 18.12 20.30 22.96 24.43 (c) the average rate of increase in the school should continue to be run by the installed capacity per 1000 population is as Punjab Education Department; under: (e) whether it is further a fact that the During 1st Plan 3.1% Beas Project Administration vide their D. O. During 2nd Plan 10.0% Letter No. 510/BPT dated the 23rd September During 3rd Plan 23.0% 1968, has moved the Punjab Government During the period from (Education Department) to introduce li~ 1.4.1966 to 31.3.1969. 4.3% as medium of instruction instead of Hindi/ Punjabi as at present; and (d) A clear picture will emerge only after the 4th Five Year Plan has been (d) if so, whether Government propose finalised. to lay a copy of the above letter on the Table? Government Junior Model Sehool, Talwara THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 6194. SHRI BRll RAJ SINGH (Kotah): MINISTERY OF IRRIGATION AND Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) POWER be pleased to state : (a) whether it is a fact that the Punjab (a) The Project authorities have stated Education Department is running the Govern- that Junior Model School at Talwara was ment Junior Model School, Talwara township not. being run by the Punjab Education for the last three years on the lines of Department on the same lines as the Model Government Junior Model School at Chandi- Schools at Chandigarh, resulting in dis- gath; satisfaction amongst the emproyees of the Project. O(b) whether it is also a fact that an over- whelming majority of concerned parents want (b) No. However, some representations that the medium of instruction should be from the staff working on the Project at Hindi /Punjabi as at present and the said Talwara were received requesting that the 57 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answer... 58 medium of instruction should be Hindi/ House. [Placed in Library . See No. Punjabi. LT-737/69j (c) In the. D. O. letter referred to, it was brought out that the Model School at Talwara (c) There are two Government Model was not being run by the Government of Schools functioning at Chandigarh, one senior Punjab on the same lines as the Model and the other junior. The medium of ins- Schools at Chandigarh and that the School truction in the senior Model School is English, be handed over to the Project authorities. whereas in the Junior Model School, the medium of instruction is Hindi/Punjabi and (d) A copy of D. O. letter referred to English is being taught from the very is laid on the Table of the House. (Placed beginning. in Library See No. LT-736/69) (d) and (e). A Model School was being run by the Parent's Body of the children Beas Project Administration's Model School with English medium on the public School at Talwara Township , lines at their <>wn cost. Later on after sanctioning of the School by the Beas Control Board as per their decision attached the Punjab Education Department was requested 6195. SHRI BRIJ RAJ SINGH (Kotah): to take over the Model School at Talwara Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND and run it on the pattern approved by the POWER. be pleased to state : Board at the cost of the Project. (b) Temporary Sectional Officers, who lf~ are graduates. are selected for appointment to the grade of Assistant Engineer under ~,1 15,000 13,210 Part IV of the Recruitment Rules. ~,1 16,500 12,974 ~, 1969 .)6,000 15,244 (c) the U. P. S. C. quota is to be filled by direct recruitment through the Engineering Services Examination held by the Commission (l;f) ~i ; ~ mIT ~ ~ and by transfer, if any, of officers from ~ ffi;r !IT I Engineers against the direct recruitment ~ lf ~ ~.~ if;l' ~ quota. They may. however. appear in m Engineering Services Examination. if other- ~a ij; q;n:vr ~ <'m'f If' ~ ~ wise eligible. and if they are successful they >!IT I will be appointed in the direct recruitment quota. (tT) ~ l;m>1': ij; ~ ~,~ lfrn ij; fu1!; ~ i ~ ffi;r' ~, m ff~ 1lT'I T m~ ij; fu1!; "'W 6198. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRASAD: l'f!lT ~ I Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FLMIL Y PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased Promotion of Sectional Officers to state: 6197. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM: (a) whether it is a fact that his Ministry Will the Minister of HEALm AND issued a letter No. F. 1271/66-H, dated the FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, 17th April, 1967 addressed to the Delhi HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT Administration regarding the Increase of be pleased to state : Uniform Allowances to nurses in the Emplo- yees State Insurance Corporation dispensaries; (a) whether it is a fact that under part V of Recruitment Rules, only permanent (b) whether the same has been given Sectional Officers could be promoted; effect to by the Administration; (b) if so. tbe rules under wbieb the temporary Sectional Officers are being promo- (c) if not. the reasons for .the delay and ted; and when it is likely to be implemented; and 61 Written Answers CHAIlRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 (d) whether the staff is going to be paid waiting list for allotment of aocommodation the arrears of the said allowance for the as indicated; and time lag of two years and if not, the reasons therefor? (f) the time taken to finalise the special pay case? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.S. PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING MURTHY): (a) to (d). Orders contained in the AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Minitry of Health letter No. F. 12-71/66-H, B. S. MURTHY) : (a) The Assistant Engineer dated the 17th April, 1966 were extended to joined C. P. W. D. on 14th September, 1967 the Nursing staff of the Hospitals under the and no tenure has been specified in bis Delhi Administration with effect from the case. The Engineering Supervisor joined lst June, 1966. These orders do not apply C. P. W. D. on 21st July, 1967 and he is to the Employees State Insurance Corpo,ra- at present, on deputation for a period of tion which is an autonomous body. 2 years. (b) There is no proposal at present to P. & T. Engineers on Deputation to absorb them in the C. P. W. D. C. P.W.D. (c) During inter-Session period, these 6199. SHRI P. M. SA YEED : officers observe the normal working hours, SHRI SURAJ BHAN : i.e. from 9.30 a. m. to 4.30 p. m. The prescribed duty hours in the P & T Depart- Will the Minister of HEALTH AND ment for the non-shift staff of these catego- FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, ries are also from 9.30 a. m. to 4.30 p. m. HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to refer to the reply given to During Session period, the normal duty Unstarred Question No. 4055 on the 24th hours are 9.00 a.m. to 5.00 p. m. with one March, 1969 and state : hour lunch break. The officers are, howevers required to sit late until the Lok Sabha and (a) the tenure of deputation of P & T Rajya Sabha adjourn in the evening. Engineers to C. P. W. D.; (d) The two officers on deputation from (b) whether it is proposed to aesorb the P & T Department are equivalent in these officials in present posts or repatriate rank to the Assistant Engineer and Sectional them to P & T on completion of their Officer in the C. P. w. D. Their duty deputation period and if so, the conditions hours are to be adjusted aocording to the thereof; job requirement, as they come under the category of supervisory stalT. Like Assistant (c) the duty hours they are required to Engineer and Sectional Officer of the perform especially during the Session days C. P. W. D., no compensation is allowed to keeping in view the duly hours they are these P & T officials for any duty beyond supposed to have normally performed in the normal working hours. case of their being in P & T itself; (e). The two offioers are very junior for (d) when tbey performed duty beyond any immediate allotment of aocommodation normal duty period, what mode of compen- from the General Pool, having joined tbe sation is being allowed at present or proposed service comparatively recently. to be allowed and if not, the reasons there- for; (f) It is not possible to indicate when the examination of the special pay case will (e) the position of these officers in be finalised. 63 "'rUlen Answers APRIL 14.\1969 Written Answers 64 ~i ~f~ lfl am;a i " ~ om it srmrif 'I>T ~ T ~m if ~ ~ T if1l'f ~ f m~ g3IT ~~ ------ .;a i~~ 19.8.1968 rim- ~ t f"f11; t --- ~ ~ f~ ~ form THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY B. S. MURTHY) : (a) and (b). A statement PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING is attached. Statement Year Number of students who appeared in Number of students who passed the M.B.B.S. examination (Including in the M.B.B.S. examination supplementary examination) (Including supplementary examination). 1966 254 229 1967 287 264 1968 298 282 839 77S Import of Ammonia (b) the amount of Income-tax arrears due from its Directors, giving the names of the Directors and the amount outstanding 6203. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: against each one of them; and SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM (c) the success achieved by Government AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND in the realisation of amount from the METALS be pleased to state : • Company as ~1 as its Directors during 1968 ? (a) whether Government have decided to give lienees for the import of ammonia; THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARlI (b) if so, the value thereof; and DESAI): (a) Presumably, the referenoe is to the investigations by the Income-tax authorities into the affairs of M Bird & Co. (P) Ltd., (c) the name of the country from which Is. Calcutta following the customs cases against ammonia is proposed to be imported ? that company in respect of exports of iron ore between July, 1951 and May, 1954 and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of jute carpet backing cloth from January, MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND 1957 to January, 1963. Investigations by CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS the Income-tax authorites in so far as export (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) No .. of jute carpet backing cloth is concerned have been completed. Other investigations are in progress. (b) and (c). Do not arise. (b) No arrears of Income-tax are Mis. Bird and Company outstanding from the Directors of the company, whose names are given below: 6204. SHRI YAJNA DATT SHARMA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased I. Sir Walter Michelmore to state: (a) whether the investigations going 2. Mr. D.C.B. Pilkington into the affairs of Mis. Bird and Company have since been completed; 3. Mr. D.L.V. Rowo 67 Written Answers APRIL 14, i~ Written Answers 68 4., Mr. J. M. Addison Scott ~l f1~~~ ~,~l f1~m;m~if 5. Mr. P. Prasad m'lfQt ('IT ifo "0 ~): ('Ii") ~ (q). 6. Mr. F. C. Badhwar ~1 fcrmr mf~~ fwr1 ij; -r.r ~ qt;fi (aror.r f~;; ;; ) ij; fcrmr ij; fu1:!; (l:) An amount of about Rs. 6 lakhs is outstanding against the Company under ~~;;f f~ f~i ;"f m Sect ion 23 A of the Income-tal< Act, 1922 ~" it ~ ~ I ~i ~~ ~ 31 '1P!l for the Assessment Years 1955-56 and 1957-58 i ;~~~m : f1~ T1~ to 1961-62. The assessee has filed a writ petition before the High Court of Calcutta and has ~ '1P!l if ~, qf;:rif 'I>f ~ (il As no arrears of Income-tax are outstan- ding against the Direciors of the company. the question of realisation of the same does not arise. 6206 . ..n amf ~ ~ : 'IT ~ ~ <'m'\" : .. ~~ mT: ..n ~"lf : 6205. ISiT amf ~ ~ : .. ~m~: ..n ~" "" ~ ;;i'mT : .. ~ mf~: .. ~m~: ;m~l fT~am:~ ..n ~ ~ <'m'\",: .. ~~ ... : l'I'IfT ~ ~1 ~ ifCfTi't '!it FIT 'li"m f'fi : ..n ~ tWmf m<'I ~ : ('Ii") ;m ~ 'liT 'lCIT ~ fi ;~ ;m~l fT~~ai rnR 1:!;oaiil4'ifc:'R'l «'ltG, fif~ ij; ~ ~, am ~ l'I'If1 ~ m;m ~ lfir ~am:~f~m~ il"~~ 'flIT ~ (if;) ;RT ~ ij; WIT< f~ ~ Will the minister of FINANCE be plea- ~ ~~~ ;mi ; f~ sed to state: ~ "<1"i4l 'liT ITer ~ '11fT it ~ 1f ~~ai ~, (c) whether interest on such amounts IfI'ImI' 81fl lftRN m;m ~ if mIf are equally charged by all the banks from \' 71 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 . Written Answers 72 their Directors' industries and other deposi- West Bengal; and if so, the findings of tors; and Government ; (d) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) the reasons attributed to this type of paralysis known as 'Lathyrism' ; and THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER (d) the remedies suggested by Govern- AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI ment ~ ;heck the disease ? MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). A statement giving the required information as at the end of 1966 and 1967 is laid on the table of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-740- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 69] Information for the year 1968 is being PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING collected and will be laid on the Table of AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. the House. (irant of loans and advances to MURTHy): Master Plan For Drinking Water In Rajasthan Later on, on the advice of the Drinking Rural Areas Water Board, the State Government were requested to collect data regarding tho water 6210. SHRI ONKAR SINGH : supply problem under the following four SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: categories :- SHRI J. B. SINGH: (i) Difficult & Scarcity Areas. SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO : DR. KARNI SINGH: (ii) Special backward areas. (iii) Areas where water supply is unsafe Will the Minister of HEALTH AND and unwholesome. FAMILY PLANNING ANP WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (iv) Areas of inadequate water supply. be pleased to state : The overall estimated cost assessed by (a) whether it is a fact that Gove(DlI!ent the State Govemm'ent comes to aboust Rs. 70 have asked the Rajasthan Government to crores. implement its Rs. 70 crores Master Plan for the supply of drinking water to rural areas; Amendment of Delhi Master Plan (b) whether it is also a fact that the 6211. SHRI ONKAR SINGH: Central Government have fixed some priori- SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: ties to solve the problem ; SHRI J. B. SINGH: SHRI SHARDANAND : (c) if so, the details thereof; and Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (d) the reaction of State Government FAMIL Y PLANNING AND WORKS, thereto? HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the amendments which' have been MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING made in the Master Plan of Delhi during the last Five Years; AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. MURTHY) : (a) No, Sir. (b) whether it is a fact that the Delhi Municipal corporatIon and Members of (b) to (d). Yes, Sir. The following Parliament from Delhi have been repeatedly criteria were prescrihed to be kept in view demanding certain amendments in the Master in formulating and fixing priorities for the Plan; rural water supply and sanitation projects when the National Water Supply and Sani- (c) if so, whether Government have tation Programme was announced in 1954 : provided any machinery to do the nccdful1; and (i) Areas where cholera, typhoid fever and other water and filth-borne (d) if not, the reasons therefor? diseases are most prevalent. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (ii) Areas of greater water scarCity. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI (iii) Areas coverd by Public Health B. S. MURTHY): (a) A list is laid on the Centres where extensive personnel Table of the House. [Placed in library. See services are being developed. No. LT_741 /69.] (iv) Pilgrim centres. (b) Some of the modifications indicated in the attached list, have been made at the 75 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 76 instance of the Delhi Municipal Corporation. ~) "l1"l«r i:i ~ ~ ~: No specific reference in this. regard has, how- ever, been received by D. D. A. from the ~~~f~~if~omf ~am: Members of Parliament from Delhi. ~, f~, 1f<'l1'lT, ;;rr ~s ifpf ~ "'" mr ~ ~ ('Ii") 'fltT ~ ot Rc ;f'li" ;tt «m ~~): i") ~~~ ~ ~ ~ sr:i\lr ~i ~ f~ ~ m, ~ ~ if am: a f~ "~ iflrr ~; ~~m l;f ; i ~ ~~ if>'T ~ ~ .:25 ~~ I fif.nrr m;r : 139 ~ :3 ~ ~ #'ltT (I1IT 11m ~ ('IIi ~~) ~) am: ~). m ~) ~ anft 'l; ml!FZT 0!P:r ~~ 3f1'Ii ~~ ii, ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'l; 3lm'IT W 0!'lN it ~ on: 4,000 m am: aforr T~f ~ "l1T1!fTaiT 'l; :,~ arfoer- if>'T : f;1f~ if>'T ~ I . ~~ l;f;; i ~ ~ i1: ~ ~ ~ fimf arflf.tm am: !fif ~ ~ if rnrrf.rcr ~ ~ (iii) horticulture development. f~, ~i ; 1l ~ ~ m (iv) pisciculture. ~ if 1500 'f>1' am: ~ ~;; il 1 I ~f~~ f 1 m~ (v) livestock development. ~~m ~~ ;; ~~1 (vi) agro-industries for services. ~1~if~ f 1 f~~ f 1 (vii) agro-industries fOr processing. ~ at I'Wlifid I ifiT ~ m 'fiT ~ ~~ (viii) marketing, storage (including cold storage) and transport. ('1") ~ ~ I (ix) communication. (ff) m.rr 'f>1' ~ 36 \'!T1!f 90 (x) extensioDland training and ~ ~ ir;;m:: 'f>1' ij; ft;rQ; WJ. (xi) economic studies. ~ ~ I ~, ,.;..rr m.m-- ~ ar (b) No. (b) jf so, when it is likely to be set up ; and (c) Does not arise. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? fimn ~ ~ fifi;n't 'f1: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE .m MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM AND ~lfiT~ CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI Q. R. CHAVAN): (a) There is no 6220 . ..n ~ ~ ~: 'flfT , proposaL fdr setting up a fertilizer plant in Faizabad Division either in the public or in (a) whether it is a fact that some Minis- (b) it so, the reaction of Goverment ters, Ministers of State and Deputy Ministers thereto? have been provided with extra furniture in excess of the free ceiling limit ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND (b) if so, their names, and the reasons CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS therefor? (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN). THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) Yes. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING (b) Government have always been anxious AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI to attain self-sufficiency in oil and B. S. MURTHY) : (a) Yes, Sir. have been actively considering schemes for offshore drilling. Decision has already been (b) The names of the Ministers/Dep\lty taken to commence drilling in shal10w Ministers who were having furniture in excess waters of the Gulf! of Cambay as soon as of the free ceiling limit of Rs. 38, 500/22,500 possible. It has not been easy to decide as on 1st March, 1969, are given below: which alternative method would be best to . adopt for deep water driJIing but the matter is under active consideration. (I) Dr. Ram Subhag Singh (2) Shri Surender Pal Singh mmif~m . (3) Shri M. R. Krishna 6225. '11 ltmf ~ • : ;r.;r ~ : (4) Shri Jagannath Pahadia '11 f'il' (5) Prof. Siddheshwar Prasad ~~~~am f.rqfur, amfRI' <110 ~ ~ Ji'JIT l1i[ Sub-rule 2 of Rule 4' of the Ministers' Residences Rules 1962, lays down that for iffif.t (ir) (I) lflff~ ~i a f~ 16 ~ ~ ~ i't ~ am f.T T~ ~ ~ ifl"if, 1968 ~ 15 ~, 1968 ~, 1,45, ml ~ m f~~~ ifl1 I ~ 661 ~ if t.r .mn 'liT ~ fif;'!lT, '1ft ~ ~i T 'liT 10 SlfumT "llT'T ~ ~ fit; amrcr.r 607 lif~ srfcr Rrr ;fom ~ ~ ~ am fifOr.fT q'fu:ft;;r;rraiT ~ ~ ancm: 'R: ~ iT~ ~ I (2) mffi ~i ~ 16 ~ 1968 ~ 15 ifl"if, 1969 ~, 3,25,701 ~i ~1 m~",~; ; Olif'ffi1l"T if t.r .mn 'liT ~)1T fif;'!lT 6227. 15ft ~:; .; ~ : !fm 11m ~ amrcr.r 2 714 ~ srfcr Rrr ;fom Ij;fi ~ ~ iT WIT '!ii:iT fit; : ~ (3) 'iRi" 'R: ~, iItNRI' tI"fI ~ ~1 m Ij'"ft ~ Ammonia bicarbonate Plant of the Trombay unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of India on FIT if;~ fif; : ;rcrf.\' (if;) 'flIT ~ it ~ ~ 'l<: ~ (b) if so, the total amount spent for the ~~~ miT~~~ inaugural function; (e) if so, the total quantity of liquor con- ' m~, T)~ ~ (If) >f.t IT'lf- sumed and the price paid for it? f.rUlr ~ :o mffl ~~ ~ ~ qf(41'31i11311 5. Dinner. ~ ~ f. ; ~ 'l<: ~ ~ qRun"l1 amm: Total Rs. 1530.29 ~1 ~ ~ it 3fTITTlft ~ ~ (d) No. (e) Does not arise. Inauguration of Trombay Ammonia Bicarbonate Plant Amount Advanced by State Bank to Small Scale Industries In Orissa 6229. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 6230. SHRI CHINTAMANJ PANIGRAm: CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased be pleased to state: to state the amount advanced by the State Bank of India from the 31st March, 1968 to -(a) whether the Maharashtra's Minister 31st March, 1969 as loans to small industries of Industries was invited to inaugurate the in Orissa ? 91 Written Answers APRIL ~, 1969 Written Answers 92 THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER and successful, have been invented and pro- AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI duced by an International Rubber Company; MORARJI DESAI) During the period froin 1st April, 1968 to 30th September, 1968 (for (b) whether any enqniries and investiga- which figures are now available) a4ditional tions have been made as to its utility and limits of Rs. 17.38 lakhs were sanctioned. cost by Indian or other heart-transplant expert The position as on 1st April, 1968 and 30th surgeons; September, 1968 is given below: (c) if so, the details thereof; and As on As on ~ 1-4-1968 30-9-1968 (d) the name of the manufacturing country? No .. of units assisted 109 124 Limits sanctioned Rs.95.53 Rs. 112.91 lakhs lakhs THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Outstandings Rs.56.84 Rs. 70.69 MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY lakhs lakhs PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHR! B. Subsidised Industrial Housing Scheme in S. MURTHY): (a) Yes. The use of a plastic Orissa heart has also been reported from USA some days back. It is only a temporary device 6231. SHRI CHINTAMANI PAN 1- operated by electronics till a suitable human GRAHl: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND heart replacement is available. FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT From the experience of heart transplan- be pleased to state: tation operations throughout tbe world and from the relevant literature, it is clear that (a) the number of houses built under the the problem of rejection of foreign material subsidised Industrial Housing Scheme in by the human body is a very complicated Orissa during the First, Second and Third one and still unsolved. The question of Five Year Plans; and power supply to drive the artificial heart is also not yet tackled satisfactorily. There is (b) the number of such houses built in no information in the news item on these two Orissa in 1966-67 and 1967-68 ? points. Also the company's claim that the rubber heart would fit in the human body as THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE a normal heart and would work satisfactorily, MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY has not been evaluated by cardiac surgeons so PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING far. AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. MURTHY): (a) 3, 194 houses. (b) No. (b) 184 houses. (c) and (d). Do not ""ise. InventIon of Syntbetic Rubber Heart by International Rubber Company. Rewarding of Efficiency in Managerial and Supervisory Staff 6232. SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOU- DHURY: Will the Minister of HEALTH 6233. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: Will the AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP- MENT be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that suggestions have been made from time to time for the (a) whether Government's attention has formulation of schemes for (i), rewarding been drawn to a news published in the Hin- efficiency and providing penalties in the form dustan Standard of the 21st Jauuary, 1969, of demotions and transfers for indifferent that 'a human-size synthetic rubber heart to work in the case of managerial and super- fit in the human body as a normal heart and visory staff in public sector undertakings to make the heart transplant operations easy both in higher and middle echelons, and 93 Writ/en Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillen Answers 94 (ii) integrating production bonus with PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING revised pay scales; and "ND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B:S. MURTHy): (a) to (d). the requisite informa- (b) if so, Government's reaction tion has been called for from the Government thereto? of Manipur and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha when received. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTJlR AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). Govern- Seizure of Contraband Textile and ment have accepted the recommendation Luxury Goods in Bombay of the Administrative Reforms Commis- sion for introduction of effective incentive schemes for the employees of the 6235. SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: public ~~ a i s. It has been further SHRI N. R. LASKAR: decided to undertake a study of the incen- SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: tive/disincentive schemes in force in other countries even for managerial personneL Will the Miriister of FINANCE be Incentive schemes are already in force in pleased to state: most of the Public Enterprises. The Bureau of Public Enterprises has also undertaken a (a) whether· it is a fact that contraband comprehensive study of this issue. textile and luxury goods worth as. IS lakhs were seized from a public godown at Mazagaon in south Bombay on the 27th Housing Loans by Manipur Government January, 1969; 6234. SHRI M. MEGHACHANDRA: (b) . if so, the names of goods seized and Will the Minister of HEALTH AND to which country they belonged; FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP- (c) whether any arrests have been made; MENT be pleased to state: and (a) the number of persons who have (d) if so, the action taken against been sanctioned housing loans by the them? Government of Manipur out of the housing grants during the last three years; THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE, (SHRI (b) the number of persons who have MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. received housing loans only the first insalment The officers of the Central Excise Collectorate and who could not get further instalments Bombay seized contraband textiles and to complete their houses; lUXUry goods of Japanese and U. K. origin worth about Rs. 9,11,000 from a public (c) if the second and third instalments godoWD at Mazgaon in South Bombay on of the loan are withheld and are found 27th January, 1969. These consisted of Nylon, unpaid to the loanees, the reasons for the Yarn, 7 O'clock blades, Radiant/Metallic said withholding of the loan; and yarn, Tetrex, Tetron and Roy Tex suitings and Nylex fabrics. (el) whether Government have enquired into the matter to complete the grant of (c) No, Sir. the loaned amount to those for whom grant of further instalments was withheld or (d) Does not arise. stopped ? Alkaloid Factory at Neemucb JllE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 6236. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will 9S Written Answers APRIL N, 1969 Wrillen Answers 96 the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (b) According .to the figures available, state : the rupee value of the foreign exchange involved in the import of polio vaccine during (a) whether the detailed estimates for the last three years is as follows :- the setting up of an Alkaloid Factory at Neemuch (Madhya Pradesh) has been 1966-67 Rs. 3,20,185.00 finalised; " 1967-68 Rs. 1,la,166.00 1968-69 Rs. 3,36,158.00 (b) if so, whether any programme schedule has been chalked out for its construc- (<:') Jies. Arrangements have already been tion; and made for the manufacture of oral polio vaccine at the Pasteur Institute, Coonoor. (c) when it is likely to go into . production? Construction of Karanafuli DaDi by Pakistan THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER-OF FINANCE (SHRI 6238. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will MORARJI DESAI): (a) No, Sir. the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to state: (b) and (c). It is expected that it will take about 2 to 3 years for the factory to (a) the name and area of Indian territory come up . and start production after tbe inundated due to the construction of Karana- detailed estimates have been finalised. Every fuli Dam by Pakistan; effort is being made to set up the project expeditiously. (b) the number of Indian villages and population affected by the inundation and the . Import of Polio Vaccine amount of loss cauoed; 6237. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: (c) the nature of protest made and the SHRI CHENGALRA Y A NAIDU: amount of compensation claimed by Govern- SHRI N. R. LASKAR: ment to those whose lands were inundated; and Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (d) if not, the reasons therefor? FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- (a) The names of the countries exporting SAD): (a) to (d). Certain areas in the polio vaccine to India; Mizo Hill District of Assam have been inundated due to the construction of Karana- (b) the amount of foreign exchange fuli Darn by Pakistan and its operation at the involved as a result thereof; and present level; some more areas are likely to be submerged, if the Project is operated at (c) whether there is any proposal to set higher levels, as was indicated by Pakistan up a factory in the country for the manu- earlier. The Government of Pakistan has facture of polio vaccine ? accordingly been requested to furnish the Government of India with a copy of their THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE final Project Report to enable the Govern- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ment of India to assess the' area that will PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING ultimately be submerged by the operation of ·AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI the Project. It has further been suggested B.S. MURTHy): (a) German Federal Republic to Pakistan that a joint technical examination Netherland, U. K., U.S.S.R., Yugoslavia and should be made of the levels upto which Belgium. Karanfuli Reservoir might be operated by 97 Wril/en Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Wril/en Answers 98 Pakistan. The preciso area of the Indian Urea and Sulphuric Acid plants were territory, which is likely to be inundated by designed, engineered and su pplied by Messrs. the Project and the amount of loss caused to Chemioo of Great Britain. India can be assessed after Pakistan has furnished the requisite information. (d) At present most of the new plants being set up in the public sector are being Protests have been lodged by the Govern- designed and engineered essentially on know- ment of India from time to time against how and experience available in the country, Pakistan's commissioning the Project without supplemented to the minimum extent neces- a prior agreement regarding the extent of the sary with purchased know-how. The Plan- submergence of the Indian territory and the ning and DeVelopment Division of the manner in which India should be compen- Fertilizer Cnrporation of India and the sated for the loss. Design and Engineering Organisation of Fertilizers & Chemicals (Travancore) Ltd. are Production in Namrup Units of· engaged in developing know-how in fields Fertilizer Corporation of India where shortfalls exist and also are planning to enter into eollaboration for acquiring 6239. SHRI JYOTrRMOY BASU : Will know-how wherever necessary. Steps are the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- also being taken to send Indian penoDDel CALS AND MINES AND METALS be abroad to get trained in fields where pleased to state : necessary. (a) whether production has started in one of the two Namroop Units of the Rationalisation of Export Duty on Fertilizer Corporation of India; Iron Ore (b) if so, the target of production set for 6240. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : this unit; Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (c) whether this plant was designed and constructed by the Indian technicians and engineers without any foreign technical knOw- (a) whether Government's attention has how; and been drawn to the statement made by the Chairman of National Minerals Development (d) if so, the steps, if any, being taken by Cnrporation for rationalisation of export Government to eliminate dependence upon duty on iron ore; and foreign technical collaboration for the cons- truction and operation of fertilizer plants? (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereto ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER CHEMICALS AND MINES AND' METALS AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) Yes. MORARJI DESAI) : (a) Yes, Sir. This was based on a representation made earlier by (b) Target of production for 1969-70 is : the National Minerals Development Cnrpora- (i) Ammonium Sulphate ... 80,000 tion Limited to the Government. Tonnes ,and (ii) Urea ... 33,000 Tonnes (b) Some relief in export duty on iron ore was given in August. 1968 on the basis (c) The Ammonium Sulphate plant was of a review of the export performance of iron designed, engineered and constructed by ore. It is the Government's policy to keep Indian engineers and technicians of the under frequent review articles of export Planning and Development Division of the which are liable 10 export duly so Ihal Fertilizer Cnrporation of India without any suitable aclion can be taken whenever foreign assistance. However, Ammonia, necessary. 99 Written AlIJ'wers APRIL 14, 1969 (S\1(A) Written Answers 100 Purchase of Condoms (e) whether any inquiry has been con- ducted into the incident; and 6241. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY (0 'if so, the details thereof. PLANNING AND WORK. HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to state: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING (a) the amount of foreign exchange that AND UR,PAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI will be involved in purchase of condoms B. S. MUltIfly) : (a) A portion of the floor from abroad during 1969-70; and slab of the tower of one of the four reservoirs under construction by the contractors of Water (b) the total amount paid for the pur- Supply & Sewage Disposal undertaking, Delhi chase of condoms during the year 1967-68 Municipal Corporation collapsed on the from foreign market as well from Indian evening of the 8th February, 1969, just after manufacturers? the casting had finished. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Two, MINISTRY OF HEALTI% AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING (c) Seven. AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. S. CHANDRASEKHAR): (a) The require- (d) The information is being collected and ments of condoms will be received either as will be laid on the table of the Sabha. gift or procurrd indigenously. (e) and (f). The incident has been enquired (b) Rs. 12'02 lakhs were paid for the into by tbe local police of Hauz Khas Police purcbue of condoms during the year 1967-68. Station. A case under Sections 336. 337 and No purchase of condoms could be made 304-A I.P.c. was registered on the same date through indigenous sources in 1967-68, due to i.e. 8.2.1969 and investigations are in pro- non-availability of standard quality of gress. Three persons were arrested in this supplies. connection. Collapse of a Water Storage Tank In Foreign Experts on Family Planning Visiting India New Delhi 6243. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 6242. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: SHRI Y ASHPAL SINGH Will the Minister of HEALTH AND Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to State : be pleased to state : (a> the number of foreign experts who (a) whether it is a fact that a water came to India in connection with the Family storage tank collapsed in New Delhi on the Planning Programme since its inception to 9th February, 1968; assist Government; (b) if so, the number of persons killed u a result thereof; (b) the countries to which ~ belooged and the dates on which they visited India; '(c) the number of persons injured; IUId (d) the amount of compensation paid to (c> amount spent by Government 00 each the next of the kins; of them. 101 Writ/en Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 102 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (ii) ·fum ~ l " f .f lfi"T ~ ~ f MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING ~ AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. S. CHANDRASEKHAR): (iv) am:r s:fU5lI1 ~;i i I (v) ~ arm; ~ !1m:: 6244 .....T ~ m~ ~: "'" s:fi!sm "" ~ I ~ if'fT qfum: ~ am: ~, iIfIlmf ~~ I,""LS AND MINES AND METALS be and development of Howrah town during the pleased to state: last three years; (a) whether the National Coal Develop- (b) when the Howrah Improvement ment Corporation are selling out their surplus Trust was constituted; and equipments; (c) the improvement works which have (b) if so, (i) the value of tbe accumulated been completed or undertaken so far ? surplus equipments, (ii) value of equipments ". already sold out and (iii) reasons for not THE MImSTER OF STATE IN THE utilising these equipments; and MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING (c) the reasons for selling these equip- AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ments? B. S. MURTHy): (a) to (c). The informa- tion is being collected and will be laid on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Table of the Sabha in due course. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI JAGANATH )~ (a) Yes, Sir. Telengana Surpluses (b) (i) As on 1.4.69, the value of surplus 6248. SHRI M. N. REDDY : Will the equipment to be disposed of is about Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Rs. 1.68 crores. (a) whether, in pursuance of tbe All (ii) The value of surplus equipment Party Accord, the Central Government had already sold out till 31.3.69, comes to about deputed an Accountant General to Hydera- Rs. 2.5 crores. had in January, 1969 to work out the exact Telengana surpluses which have accrued (iii) Out of the accumulated surplus since the formation of the Andhra Pradesh valued at Rs. 1.68 crores on 1.4.69, a moijor State in 1956; portion consists of equipment whicb have become surplus due to the severe curtailment (b) if so, the name, designation and of the production programme of tbe National qualifications of the Officer and the precise Coal Development Corporation consequent terms of reference; on tbe slump in coal demand. The remainder is made up of equipment wbich (c) whether he has submitted any report have outlived their useful lives and a rew to Government in the matter; and macbines which could not be used efficiently in the mining conditions actually (d) if so, the nature of his findings and encountered. action taken thereon ? (c) The equipments are surplus to tbe requirements of the N.C.D.C. and hence being sold. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. Development of Howrab Town SETHI) : (a) The Central Government did not depute any officer for this purpose. It is 6247. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will understood from the Comptroller &. Auditor tbe Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY General, however. that he had deputed in PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING January, 1969, at the request of the State AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased Government, an Officer of Accountant Gene- to state : ral's Grade, to ~ a this work. (a) !be total loans and grants advanced (b) (i) Shri K. Lalit, Officer on Special by the Central Government to the Govern- Duty in the Office of the Comptroller &. ment of West Bengal for the Improvement Auditor General. lOS W,itten Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Wrilten Answers 106 (ii) The Comptroller & Auditor General <'I1TlPT 2400 ~ 4il ~ ~ has stated that the officer's terms of refe- rence were to determine the exact quantum of iTlr ~ I Telengana surpluses on the principles agreed to by all leaders in the State on the basis of (\!f) ~~~~ ~ ~ the broad agreements arrived at between the leaders of the two regions at the time of the W EIll'f If ~ ~i Ai ~ ~T 'R fonnation of the State in 1956. ~ ~ ~ 'liT ~ ~ a :a ;lf~ ~~ '!>9" ~ (c) and (d). As stated in reply to part (a). the officer was deputed by the Comp- 'liT rof1Rq ~,~ ~~~ it 'IiT'IiT troller and Auditor General to undertake ~ ('Ii) ~ it mR ~ f.nrTur (6) ~~.:m T I 'Iim'If.t ~; Alumlniam Plant at Korba ~~i ;~ (\!f) it; 'fTlf 6250. SHRI G. C. DIXIT: Will the lf1tT ~; Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMi- CALS AND MINES AND METALS be pleased to state : (iT) ~~i ~ ~ ~.;;f ortft ~ ~; (a) whether it is a fact that tbe public sector aluminium plant being set up witb the Hungarian Collaboration at Korba in ('Ef) lf1tT ~ " ~ flI; ~ ~ Madhya Pradesb will start production in 1970; f~ (Il) if so, the time to be required for the ( .. ) ;ftoqT q';f qq1q 111"1"1T it f~ completion of the plant ? fiFr Qif-f,nr.ft ~if If>) ~ f T THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE flI;ln" ~ am: ;Mt q';f ~ ~ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS it ~ f~ ~ ~1lf ~ 'fl.T ~ (SHRI JAGANATH RAO): (a) An agreement ~ ) aiR ~ qfu'f"1"1Tif ~ f<:I (b) About 30 months after the approval ~) ~ ('f). ~""~, 109 W,illen Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 110 Alleged Money received by 8 Mioister's SHRI D. C. SHARMA: SOD from a ForeigJI Firm and a_t SHRI RANJIT SINGH: of his Income for Income-Tax purposes SHRI HARDA YAL DEVGUN : SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : 6254. SHRI YAJNA DATT ~ : 'SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS Will the Minister of FINANCE be be pleased to state : pleased to state : (a) whether copper has been struck in (a) whether his attention has been drawn Hazaribagh District in Bihar by the to the news item appearing in the Organizer Geological Survey of India; of the 22nd February, 1969 about the money received by the Food and Agriculture (b) whether any qualitative and quanti- Minister's son from a West German firm tative analysis has been made of the find; since 1960; , and I (c) if so, with what results? (b) whether his son, Shri Suresh Kumar, has declared this money as earned income, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE unearned income or terminal benefits; MIN[STRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS (c) whether. he is still receiving that (SHR[ JAGANATH RAO): (a) to (c). As money, the period for which he received a result of investigations carried out by the that money and what are his other sources Geolo&ical Survey of India, a few mineralised of income declared in the Income-tax returns zones and impersistent shoots of copper ore filed by him; and averaging 3 metres in thickness and 1.75% copper content have been intersected in Baraganda' area. No economically workable (d) whether any case of income-tax deposits have been found so far. evasion is pending against the Minister's son and what are the tax arrears, if any, standing against him at present? Openiog of C.G.H.S. Dispen ....y in Narai08 Residential Scheme Area THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 6256. SHRI B. K. DAS CHOWDHURY: MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (b) The money has been declared as be pleased to state: earned income. (a) whether it is a fact that a large (c) The money was received upto the number of Central Government employees assessment year 1963-64, but not thereafter. are residing in Naraina Residential Scheme, The other income declared in the Income- New Delhi 28 and its neighbouring areas tax returns consisted of interest (from the Naraina village, Indira Puri colony and assessment year 1961-62 onwards), and income J. J. colony; from business in the name of Rashmi Motors (from the assessment year 1965-66 onwards). (b) whether it is also a fact that a large (d) No case of income-tax evasion is amount is re-imbursed to them for the money pending and there are no outstanding tax spent by them on medicines, etc.; arrears against Shri Suresh Kumar at present. (e) if so the amount thereof during [968-69; Copper Discovered 10 Bihar (d) whether Government propose to 6255. SHRI BENI SHANKER SHARMA open a C. G. H. S. dipensary in the area to 111 W,illell Aruwers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 112 save this amount and to remove the (tf) lift ~, cit ~ ITUW difficulties of the emplo yees; and ~ M iJlr iI" ~i ~ l1: (e) if SO, when and if not, the reasons fcRn: fiI;m" ~ ; therefor? ~) lift ~ , cit w'l'fuJrnf THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE m MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ~~; PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI (&) ~ ~ mit B. S. MURTHY): (a) to (e). No survery '1ft v.r has heeD carried out to assess the number ~ l!iT ~ ~ iii f.rQ: ~ 'liT of Central Government employees residing ~~iliTf :~ ? in these areas or the amount re-imbursed to them towards their medical attendance/ treatment. ~ m ~ ~ am: ~,~ m~~ ~ According to representlltions received from Central Government Employees welfare if ~ ~ ( "" 110 'ito ~ ) : (iii) Associations, the number of families of ~ ~ it f.I;if iJlr tt"i ~ ~ 'fflT Central Government employees in these areas is about lSOO or so which 'q<'IT ~ fif; ~ af ~ it ~ Uftrm;iT does not justify the opening of a separate ~ 3l'1ift;;ro:r ~ it ~ ~ ~ ~ dispensary there. The normal yard-stick ~ ~ ~ for the opening of a dispensary is 2000 to '3'I'iIi it amra 23 f'l:riIc <'m I to 2,SOO families. ~) ~ (&) it ~ M iJlr iI" fili : The questions of providing C.G.H.S. facilities to !be Central Government )~" ~ f~ ~ employees and members of their families it residing in these areas by bringing these ~~af ~i ~ colonies within the purview of one or more ~~i iT~~f~ of the existing C.G .H.S. dispensaries are, bowever, under examinations. ~ l: f~~~" ~ i ~ ~ 'liT 'f1.IT ~ iii f.rQ: tt"i ar.r1T ~ ;iT ~ fT '1ft ~ 6257. ,,) ~ mro: W (2) ~ ~T iii ~i i f.rQ: ~ ~T ~ ~ am: f.ATar, ~ ~ ~ ~ f.Nffur ~"T~~ 1 f ~ ~ f~~; 3l'R ~~...,.~,m~ (e) the names of such doctors and offi- cials, the dates of their retirement and the f<;r11; ~ '!iT{ ~ f~ reasons therefore ; and ~ if; fot'll; ~ ~~ (f) the reasons of not being given ~ l T~ if; ~ 2000 extensions to them ? ~ 2500 if; qf'wU if;f<;r11; I!;ifi' ~ ~ ~1 ffi'Ii ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY v.r if; 'Ii'R"f ~ ~ ;Ft PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING ~~if; f ; 11;a . 1T~~ AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. MURTHY) (a) Yes. i :~T~~~~1 (b) and (c). A statement is laid on the (2) ~if; m ~ aro'f Table of the House [Placed in Library See No. i ~if; ~~~~ LT-743/69] if; ~~ if; f<;r11; 'Ii\: f~ f.t1rcr (d) Yes. ~~ (e) A statement is laid on the Table of (3) m ~i .~ rn'fiT the House. [Placed in Library See No. LT. ~ ~ .lll l~ " ~ ~ ~f. ; 743/69. 4 (l+t4i",ld I ~ R;rr 'Utft (f) Extension of service is granted rarely ;Ft ~ mft aftqftt ~; and only in public interest. ~i ~ llT l" l Oil 6nd in Area bet,,_ Krisltna and if;~; ~ifi ~i GodavarI Rivers ~~ 6259. SHRl BHAGABAN DASS : Traosfer of Doctors And Officials of SHRl UMANATH : WlIIlngdon Hospital, New Delhi. SHRI NAMBIAR : SHRI P. RAMAMURTI : 6258. SHRI KIKAR SINGH: SHRI CHANDRlKA PRASAD: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND Will the Minister of HEALTH AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, be pleased to state : HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that oil has been found in the area between tbe Rivers Krishna (a) whether it is a fact that some doclo,", and Godavari in Andbra Pradesh ; and ollicials of Willingdon Hospital, New Delhi have been transferred after August, (b) whetber tbe Chief Minister of Andhar 1968 either to some other hospitals or to Pradesh had written 10 the Prime Minister their parent Departments; for necessary equipment and other assistance for further exploration of the area ; and (b) the names and their designations as well as place where they have been transferred: (c) if so, Ibe decision taken by Govern- ment thereon ? (c) the reasons for such transferes ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) wbetber it is also a fact that some MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND doctors and olliciaIs have been retired after CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS AllIUSt, 1968 ; (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) No. 115 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 r Wrillen AnSM'ers 116 (b) Yes. (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto? (c) Shooting of a few reconnaissance THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER profiles in the Avanigadda area has been AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI included in the programme in the current MORARJI DESAL): (a) and (b). The news field season to locate anticlinal structures. report purported to indicate the thinking of Depending on the results of this reconnai- some World Bank officials. The Govern- ssance work, further seismic works will be ment understood that the Mission had undertaken, if necessary. neith6t .scached any agreed conclusion nor had drafted any report. Collection of Rent from Vegetable Market, Delhi Restrictions Imposed by Developed Countries on Utilisation of 6260. SHRI K. N. PANDEY: Will the Tbel. Aid Policies Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING 626iVs'HRI MADHU LIMA YE : Will AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to to state: state: (a) whether Government have collected (a) Whether it is a fact that certain the rent and other taxes of Rs. 42 lakhs developed countries like U. S. A., Britain due from the vegetable market merchants, and West Germany have imposed certain Delhi. restrictions on the utilisation of their aid policies; (b) if so, whether the rent has been deposited in the Court as provided under the Delhi Rent Control Act, 1956; and (b) if so, the nature of these restrictions; and (c) if not, the action taken against the guilty officers? (c) the reaction of Government thereto? THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). Whereas AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI most of the aid is tied to purchases from B. S. MURTHy): (a) to (c). The required the donor country, there are other types of information is being collected and will be restrictions also on the utilisation of aid. laid on the Table of the Sabha. Some have restrictions regarding eligibility of commodities that may be financed and regarding minimum values. Some others World Bank Team's Reeommendatloas Re : have restrictions regarding the types of Delicensing and Removal of Price Control industries that may use aid funds. The conditions vary from country to country and 6261. SHRI MADHU LiMAYE : in the same country from one type of aid to SHRI N. K. SOMANI : another. In bilateral discussions and SHRI SITARAM KESRI : international forums, Government take the opportunity of pointing out the disadvantages Will the Minister of FINANCE be of these restrictions with a view to getting pleased to state : them relaxed. (a) whether Government are aware of Education to Rural Womoo for Family the news-item about the recommendations PJaonlng Programme which the World Bank Team i. likely to make about the economic conditions in 6263. SHRI MAYAVAN: Will the India demanding·delicensing and removal of Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY price control; and PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING 117 Wrilten Answers CHAITRA 24,1891 (SAKA) Wr;Uen Answers 118 AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased (a) whether the employees of the Hindu- to state: stan Housing Factory have made represcnta- tion concerning their demands grievances (a) whether it is a fact that due to during the last 3 years; inadequate nutrition, the women in rural areas give birtli to more children; and (b) if so, the nature of their demands and grievances; (b) if so, whether there is a scheme under consideration to appoint B.Sc. qualified (e) the steps taken to settle the same; women candidates to educate the women in rural areas about the Family Planning ? (d) whether it is a fact that the employees are not being paid dearness allowances at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Central Government rates; and MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING (e) whether it is a fact that the offiee- AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. S. ' , bearers of the Uniori have been removed CHANDRASEKHAR) : (a) No. There is no from service for agitating for improvement in scientific evidence to show that nutritional their service conditions? inadequacy increases the fertility of women- either in rural or urban areas. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) Does not arise. PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. Status of Coimbatore Town S. MURTHY): (a) Yes. 6264. SHRI MAYAVAN: Will the (b) and (c). A statement is laid on the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Table of the House. [Placed ill Library. See No. Lt-744/69). (a) whether it is a fact that the Tamil Nadu Government have sent a proposal to (d) Yes. convert Coimbatore town into 'B' Class city; (e) No. (b) if so, the steps taken so far by Government; and AssIstance for Rural Hooaiog Scheme in Bihar (c) if no action has been taken, the reasons therefor? 6266. SHRI VALM1KI CHOUDHARY: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT MORARJI DESAI) : (a) Ministry of Finance be pleased to state: have not received any proposal from the Government of Tamil Nadu for upgrading (a) the number of villages in Bihar where Coimbatore as a ~l or 'B-2' class city. the Village Housing Scheme has been intro- duced; (b) and (c). Do not arise. (b) the progress so far made in the Hindustao Housing Factory implementation of the scheme in that State; and ' 6265. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (c) the cost incurred thereon and Central FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, assistance for the purpose in the form of HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT loans and grants given during the last three be pleased to state: years? \ 119 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answrrs 120 iHE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Smuggling of Goods From Cblna Into India MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING 6268. SHRI RANJIT SINGH : AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. SHRI D. C. SHARMA: S. MURTHY); (a) According to the progress SHRI HARDYAL DEVGUN : reports received so far from the Govern- SHRI BENI SHANKER ment of Bihar, they have been implementing SHARMA: the Village Housing Projects Scheme in 73 SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: villages. .- . ~ (b) Out of 404 houses sanctioned for Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: construction, 80 had been completed upto the end of December, 1968. (a) whether contraband goods worth (c) Since the introduction of the Scheme Rs. 12 lakhs believed to have been smuggled in Bihar in 1958, Central assistance amount- from China via Nepal were seized at ing to Rs. 23.69 lakhs has been drawn by Champaran, a border district of Bihar during the State Government on the basis of the last year ; expenditure reported by them. This amount includes Rs. 2.95 lakhs (Rs. 1.14 lakhs as (b) whether investigations have been made loan and Rs. 1.81 lakhs as grant) drawn by in the matter ; and them during the last three years from 1966- 67 to 1968-69. (c) if so, the results thereof; and the steps taken to check the same ? THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAO : (a) Contraband goods 6267. ~ ~ ~ mro: ;m ~ of Chinese orlglU valued at about "'" ~ ~ am: ~,ammf Rs. 20,000/' and contraband goods of ~ ~~. ~ ~ foreign origin other than Chinese valued at "'" SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: awaited about the Medical Termination of SHRI BENI SHANKER Pregnancy Bill. SHARMA: (b) The views of the Government of Will the Minister of FINANCE be Kerala along with those of the other State pleased to s a ~ : Government in this matter wiD be taken into consideration while deciding on legislation (a) whether it is a fact that India's wealth relating to Iiberalisation of the present law tax rates are the highest in the World; and on abortion. (h) if so, the reasons therefor and Eye Defects in Delbi Scbool Children Government's reaction in this regard? 6271. SHRI RANJIT SINGH : THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER SHRI D. C. SHARMA: AND MINISTER OF FINANCE, (SHRI SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: MORARJI DESAI) : (a) No, Sir. SHRI BENI SHANKER SHliRMA: (b) Does not arise. SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : Keraia Government's Views on Legalisation Will the Minister of HEALTH AND of Abortion. FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT 6270. SHRI RANJIT SINGH: be pleased to state : SHRI D. C. SHARMA : SHRIHARDAYALDEVGUN: (a) whether it is a fact that 20 percent SHRI BENI SHANKER of school children of Delhi have eye defects SHARMA: according to a simple survey carried out by SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: the National Society for Prevention of Blindness; Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereto; and HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (c) the steps proposed to be taken to check the same? (a) whether the Kerala Government have disagreed with the Centre's slijIgeStion for legalizing abortion and for enacting a Bill THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE called "the Medical Termination of Pre- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY gnancy Bill" as a part of the family planning PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING programme; and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. MURTHy): (a) According to a simple survey conducted by the National Society (b) if so, the reaction of the Central for Prevention of Blindness in the Scbool of Government thereto? New Delhi Municipal Committee and the Delhi Municipal Corporation, 20.9 percent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of the total of 7012 children examined were MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY found visually defective. PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. (b) and (c). In the schools covered by the S. CHANDRASHEKHAR): (a). When the school Health scheme, the students are medi- report of Shantilal Shah Committee for cally examined and those found suffering liberalisation of abortion was circulated to from eye defects are referred to Eye-Specialists the States, the Government of KeraJa indi- for regular treatment. The Delhi Adminis- cated that they were not in a position to tration has included the school Health Scheme support the proposal at present. The cOm- in the Fourth Five Year Plan for augrnentinll ments of the Kerala Government are still the existing school health services. 123 Written Answers Written Answers 124 Credit to Indonesia fCf"IWT lfi't ~ 1968 it ~ m"tt ~ gt 6272. SHRI RANJIT SINGH: mf;;rnif ~ l11lT 'IT f~ ~ mrrr ~ ~ SHRI D. C. SHARMA: (c) and (d). During the talks held in ~ f~ ~i ft1fT mt ~,.; ('11 February, 1969 between the Foreign ~ ~) ;;fT, ~ I 1S'68 Minister of India and Indonesia, the mf) : it Foreign Minister of Indonesia welcomed ~ ~ ~ it ~ mli fln:fi oft I Indian investment either direct or through collaboration in joint industrial ventures ('!I") W ~ ~T ;n"lf crm qm- i'rri as also increased cooperation in the ~ ,.f;ri, lfi :~, fu;;;fT field of technical assistance. Both sides 'It recognised the need for formulating and ~ I W ~ it 1966-67 it 55,000 ~ adopting practical measures to enhance am: 1967-68 it 80,000 ~ ~ ~ ",r technical and economic cooperation and to promote increased trade to mutual advantage. f.! I. t-rr ~ll f"~ i,"fi ~) ft:rflIts, m.rr;;r 6274. l ~~: ~ ~T lfi[ iICIf.f ifi"T 'li'lT ifii'iT f'" : 2. ~ ~ ~ ~ mfi" (ifi") IfEl< mr if ~ m: (1;1") ~ ~ ~ ~; i 'R lT~ ~ tm 'IT am: ~ 'R f.Rr;ft mmr arr{ 'IT; 4. ~lf ~ fqmf f.ftpr ft;rflf- h-- ('1") ~ ~ ~ if '1Cf ~ if; '3C'lT- <;.J, mmr, <'fnf ~ ~ ~ ~ p ~ ~~ If/'i, 1968 it; ~ if ~~~ ~ ~ .mif) I. t (IT) 1967-68 if; m it ~ ffi" ~ if;~, 0fl11"('I', <'ml aT\1: ¢;f 'FT i1im ~ fffi qm ~ : 1967-68 firJIit 1IrT ft, ~ \'fN i ~ ~ aT\1: (+) ~ . 1 mf~ ~~) ~ (-) 2 3 4 ------1. ~ ~~f" :i i .. ij ~) ~ ~~ 2047 (--)562 2. ~ ~ ~ it'R f1ffir 31308 ~ ~) aT\1: ~).~:~~ (b) whether the price difference would further make smuggling of nylon yam into ~ ~ 'FT m mm it '!;;f\'-f.mr if; it India more attractive; and smfcr '1ft (including duty) of imported terene fibres. ~T 3f'lCfT ~ lIT ~ ~ (b) and (c). In spite of the price difference ~ ~ flFlIT 1f1IT ~; am: in the case of terene fibre practically no case of smuggling of terene fibre has been (l;f) ~ ~ t 3fClnl ifiT reported. ,However, there is similar price differential in case of nylon yam and there f~ amm CorpOration in regard to purchase and ~ IIitf transportation of Darytes Powder; 6280. ssit lIfio tiro ~ ; If!IT fW;nf (c) if so, whether Government have ft14"T ~ ~ ~ ~i ~ i ~ looked into those complaints; and ;f.T fit>: (d) iC not, the reasons thereCor ? i )~~if; f ~ ~ (c) and (d). Do not arise. Tax 00 Panja Maridam in Madras State Rrc1f ~ ~~ ~~ if ; 1f~~ 6279. SHRI C. CHlTTYBABU: Will (ssit ~ snm): (iF) ij' ("€f). the Minister oC FINANCE be pleased to state: 'IR'RiT ifU'iT if; 'it ~ ~ (b) if so, the reaction of Government (a) whether it is a fact that women ~ o ? hesitate to visit family planning centres in Delhi because there is no privacy there and THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND women are examined by doctors behind a MINISTIjR OF FINANCE (SHRI cloth curtain, even while visitors are sitting MORARJI DESAI) : (a) Yes, Sir. in the room; and (b) The Government of India have agreed (b) if so, the steps Government propose to raise the ceiling of expenditure on drought to take in the matter? relief measures in Andhra Pradesh in 1968- 69 to Rs. 14 erores for purposes of Central THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE assistance. As regards 1969-70, a ceiling of MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY expenditure of Rs. 2 crores for the period PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING April-June, 1969 has been tentatively adopted AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. S. for purposes of sharing by the Centre, CHANDRASEKHAR): (a) and (b). The subject to a review of the situation in May, information is being collected and will be 1969. laid on the Table of the Sabha as soon as it is received. Godavari Barrage Scheme Loss to Zinc Smelter At Visakbapatnam 6282. SHRI ESWARA REDDY: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be 6284. SHRI SITARAM KESRI: Will the pleased to state: Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- CALS AND MINES AND METALS be (a) whether the Andhra Pradesh Govern- to pleased state: ment had submitted the Godavari Barrage Scheme for approval some two years back; (a) whether it is a fact that Government had incurred a huge loss in the work of (b) whether it is a fact that Government establishing a Zinc Smelter at Visakbapa- have not so far given its approval to the lnam; and Scheme; (b) if so, the amount of loss and the (c) if so, the reasons therefor; and reasons therefor? (d) when the approval is likely to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE - given? MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (SHRJ JAGANATH RAO): (a) and (b). At MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND present, only a Detailed Project Report for POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): establishing the Zinc Smelter at Visakhapa- (a) and (b). Yes; Sir. tnam is being got prepared by a Polish agency. In the circumstances the question of (c) The Scheme was under technical any loss does not arise. scrutiny in the Central Water and Power Commission. (d) Technical scrutiny has been comp- leted ·and the scheme will be placed before the Advisory Committee for approval shortly. 6285. ~ JIIi1' :;r.q ~ : 'flIT ~ " T mm:~ am~, Family Planning Centres in Delhi 3fl1mf tI"'{T ~ ~ Jj;if ~ ~ '!iT 6283. SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA: !"IT f.!; : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND rn FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, iRf ~ ~ HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (1(;) ~ ~ am: ~f"~ "l" l iii fW1" ~ ~ (WTO 1~~) : ~ ~ ~ am: f~ tffiTfu ~ ~; iii 1969-70 iii ~ ~ mo:r ~ ~ am: ~ ron ;;ITittrr I ~) 1969-70 iii mrrlf q--t it ~ ~m amm ifm llfl ~ ~~~1 :~ ~~i i f 1"f~ 6287. IItT ~ ~ ~ : THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER Memorandum by Trainees at Tedmical AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI Training Centre, Kotah (Rajasthan) MORARJI DESAI) : (a) to (c). The required information is not readily available and can 6290. SHRI DEVEN SEN: Will the be collected only by scrutiny of a large Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER number of files which would involve consi- be pleased to state : derable time and labour. Tbe available information relating to the pendency of assessments and outstanding income-tax (a) whether Government bave received arrears in respect of the year 1967-68 is as any memorandum signed by all the trainees under:- at ~ Technical Training Centre, Kotah (Rajasthan) requesting that they may be sent to tbe Projects for technical training (a) Assessments in respect of the in Heavy Earth moving equipment, or year 1967-68 carried-forward alternatively they may be sent to some other on 1.4.1968. 13,02,775 department or Industry for practical training under the stipe\ld scheme ; and (b) arrear demand out of the demand created during 1967- (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto? 68 carried-forward on 1.4.1968. Rs. 79.61 crores. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Similar information in respect of the year MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER 1968-69 is not available at present as the (SHRI SlDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) A financial year is just over. memorandum on this subject signed by 43 out of the total of SO trainees at the Techni- cal !I Training Centre, Kotah, bas been Research and Development Centres in received by the Central Water and Power India Commission. 6289. SHRI ARJUN SINGH BHADO- RIA : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM (b) The particulars of the candidates AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND undergoing training at the Technical Train- METALS be pleased to state: ing Centre, Kotah, have been circulated to various irrigation and power projects where heavy earthmoving machinery is in use, (a) the names of Companies which have with the request that they may take in as... set up research and Development Centres/ many of these trainees as possible for further laboratories in India; training. In the meantime, nine graduate engineer trainees at Kotah bave been (b) if so, the amount of capital and shifted to the Kotab dam and Rajas- recurring expenditure incurred on them; than Canal where construction works are in progress. (c) the number of patents taken by them in India and number of their patents licensed Government ACCO_OdatiOD For Central in India and abroad, separately; and Government Employees (d) the amount of royalties and fees received by licensing of their patents abroad? 6291. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING MINlSTR Y OF PETROLEUM AND AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS to state: (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) to (d). It is presumed that the question refers to compa- (a) the number of Government employees nies in chemical and pharmaceutical sectors. who have been sanctioned out-of-tum allot- Information is being collected on this basis ment of residential quarters during the last and will be placed on the Table of the House. two years; 139 Wril1en Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 140 (b) ,the number of persons who arc still ( If ) 'flIT ~ fl ~ f'l">" ITa" ~ 'flif ~ awaiting actual allotment of houses ; and ~ 3{'I\1'1r fiT~ ~ m) ~ (c) the number of Government employees ifiiioqlf<.n'fiT if1f 1960 ~ flr.R THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ( 'T ) m ~, eft ~ 'flIT World Bank Aid for River Valley Projects (b) whether Government have also asked Cor rescheduling oC repayment oC loans by 6293. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the the State; and Minister oC IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleased to state: (c) if so, the reaction oC Government thereto and the decision taken in the matter ? (a) the details of the River Valley pro- jects approved so Car by the Central Govern·. ment; and THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) the details of the projects approved MORARn DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. during the First, Second and Third Plans separately. but the construction of which has (b) Yes, Sir. not so far been completed and the various factors hampering progress in their constru- ction work? (c) An amount of Rs. 1.25 erores bas already been sanctioned to tbe Govern- ment of Tamil Nadu towards the expenditure THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE incurred by them on drought relief measures. MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND Further assisiance will be provided in the POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): light of the progress of expenditure subject to (a) Particulars of major and medium a review of the situation in May, 1969. irrigation projects taken up during the three Plans are given in the publication ·'INDIA- Irrigation and Power Projects (Five Year As regards rescheduling of loans, a Plans)" copies of which have already been scheme of consolidation of Central loans to placed in the Parliament Library. A list of the States and refixing of terms of repayment projects approved subsequently in the Annual is under the consideration of Government. Plans is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-746{69] Deposits of Iron Ore ill Orissa (b) A list of the major projects, work on which has spilled over to the Fourth Plan is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-746{69] 6295. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: Will - the Minister of PETROLEUM AND Besides, there are a number of medium CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS irrigation schemes in various stages oC pro- be pleased to state : gress which have also spilled over. (a) whether it is a Cact that iron are bas been discovered in certain Districts of The principal factor responsible Cor the Orissa; delay in completion of the works is the constraint on resources. (b) if so, details thereoC; and Central Assistance to Tamil Nadu (c) whether Government propose to 6294. SHRI BENI SHANKER work on these deposits ? SHARMA: Will the Minister oC FINANCE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND· (a) whether the Chief Minister of Tamil CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS Nadu bas asked for Central aid to the tune (SHRI JAGANATH RAOl: (a) to (c). The of Rs. 3 erores to undertake relief measures information is being collected and will be in the drought affected areas oC Tamil Nadu; laid on the Table of the House. 143 Writ/err Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Writtell Answers 144 Seizure of smuggled gold in Bombay (a) the 'various recommendations made by the Conference of Mayors at its recently 6296. SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: held Baroda session; SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI: (b) whether the Executive Committee SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: of the All India Council of Mayors has SHRI N. R. LASKAR: submitted a memorandum uraiog the imple- SHRI R. BARUA: mentations of the recommendation of the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Mayors' Conference; and SHRI VISHWANATH PANDEY: SHR! BENI SHANKER (c) if so, the Government's reaction SHARMA: thereto? Will the Minister of FINANCE be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state : MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING (a) whether it is a fact that smuggled AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI gold worth Rs. 2 crores has been seized in B. S. MURTHY): (a) The recommendations Bombay recently; made to Government of India by the All India Council of Mayors at its 8th Meeting held (b) if so, the details thereof; and at Baroda on the 27th and 28th December, 1968, are contained in Resolutions Nos. 9, (c) the number of persons involved in 12, 17, 18, 21, 22, 25, 27, 28, 29 and 30, the case and action taken against them and copies of which were supplied in reply to how and from where it has been smuggled ? part (b) of Lok Sabha Unstarred Question No. 4763 answered on the 31st March, 1969. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). On the (b) A committee appointed by the All 22nd March, 1969 the staff of the Anti India Council of Mayors has submitted a Corruption Bureau, Bombay intercepted 2 Memorandum urging implementation of cars parked in the compound of MafatIal the recommendations made in Resolution Park, Warden Road, Bombay and seized No. 28. gold with British and Swiss markings valued approximately at Rs. 1,12,75,000 at the (c) The recommendations are being market rate and Rs. 54,13,000 at the examined. international rate. Study Team's Recommendation about One person seen getting out of one of Coal-Baoed Fertilizer Plaots the cars and attempting to run away, and io India one Gurkha watchman of the park were arrested. Indian currency worth Rs. 2,450 was 6298. SHRI R. K. SINHA: also seized from the residence of the person SHR! RAMACHANDRA apprehended while running away. The gold VEERAPPA: is suspected to have been brought in a SHRI S. KUNDU: mechanised craft from the Persian Gulf. The case was subsequently handed over to Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND Bombay Customs. Further investigations are CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS in progress. be pleased to state: Conference of Mayors (a) whether an expert team' was sent to 6297. SHRI R. K. SINHA: Will the Europe to study the operation of the coal- Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY based fertilizer plants; PLANNING AND WORKS, AOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased (b) if so, the names of countries visited to state: by the team; 145 Wri/len AlUwers CHAITRA 24. 1891 (SAKA) Wrilun AlUwers 146 (c) the recommendations thereof; and Unauthorised Colonies (d) Government's reaction thereto? 6300. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHAUHAN: Will the Minister of HEALTH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS be pleased to state: (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) Yes. (a) the names of unauthorised colonies (b) The team visited Turkey, West which have not been regularised so far ; Germany, Spain and the United Kingdom. (b) whether these colonies are likely to (c) The team has expressed the view be regularised ; and that: (c) if so, when and if not, the reasons (i) there need be no apprehension about therefor? the techno-cconomic feasibility of coal based fertilizer plants in general THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and that specific projects could be MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY taken up for detailed consideration; PLANNING 'AND WORKS, HOUSING lind AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. MURTHY): (a) the names of the unautho- (ii) out of the available processes for rised colonies which have not been regularised coal gasification, the Koppers Totzek are contained in the statement laid on the process is the most suitable for Table of the House. [Placed in Library. adoption in our country. See No. LT-747 169] (d) The Government have accepted the (b) and (c) •. No final decision has so far view. been taken. Supply of Barrels By MIs. Hind Galvaoisiog Aod EDgin_ing Co. To Indiao Oil Corporation 6299. sit ~ 'iR lIiUWl1f : W m=r 6301. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI· ~T ~ (d) whether, on such refusal, the Indian AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. Oil Corporation agreed to supply SOO tonnes MURTHY): (a) No, Sir. of steel sheets to Mis. Hind Galvanising and Engineering Company; and (b) A statement is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- (e) if so, the reasons for showing such 748 /69 ). urulue privilege to Mis. Hind Galvanising and Engineering Company instead of taking (c) One bath tub and one wash basin measures against their act of violation of the with hot _lid cold mixture arrangement have terms and condi tion. of the award of the been provided. Approximate cost of each arbitrator? is as under:- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (1) Bath tub ...... R •. 804.00 MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS (2) Wash basin with hot (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) to (e). Informa- and cold mixture tion is being collected and will be laid on arrangement...... Rs. 300.00 the Table of the House.in due course. Rs. 1104.00 Expenditure On Maintenance nn Prime (d) For residence and office purposes. Mioister's House (e) The details are as follows :- 6302. SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA: Will tbe Mini.ter of HEALTH AND FAMILY Details of Expenditure PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING accommodation incurred. AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to refer to the reply given to Uilstarred (i) One additional Question No. 1578 on the 3rd March, 1969 bed room. Rs. 8,476.00 and state: (ii) Extension to (a) whether the expenditUre on the Prime one small room Minister's residence during the years 1967-68 to convert it into and 1968-69 includes the expenditure incurred a bed room. Rs.4,419.00 on white-washing maintenance, etc; (iii) Bath attached to (b) if not, the amount spent duri ng the (ii) above. Rs. 2,694.00 above period under various heads separately ; (c) with regard to the expenditure (iv) Verandah incurred under item No.3 in 1967-68, the attached to (ii) number of tubs, wash basins and the cost above. Rs. 4,510.00 of these items, separately ; (v) One new room (d) whether the additional accommoda- for office staff. Rs. 8,053.00 tion constructed in 1968-69 was required from Rs. 28,152.00 the security point of view or for residential purpo.es ; and Electrical insta- llations for the (e) the details of the accommodation above. Rs. 8,412.00 constructed with details of expenditure fncurred on each item ? There has been a further expenditure of Rs. 7 ,48S 1- on electrical installations for THE M!NISTER OF STATE IN THE additional accommodation during March, MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 1969. The expenditure reported earlier was PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING RS. 927 /-· 149 Written AMwers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Writ/en Answers ISO As a result of the extensions/additions Meeting of Chief Ministers witb Finance made, the residential part of the house now Minister has three bed rooms for the Prime Minister and her family. 6304. SHRI D. N. PATODIA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : Drlnltlng Water Schemes in Himacbal Pradesh (a) whether it is a fact that some of the State Chief Ministers recently met him and 6303. SHRI HEM RAJ: Will the Minister held talks on the question of augmenting of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING Central assistance to the States ; AND WORKS HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (b) if so, the names of State Chief Ministers representatives who held discussions; (a) the number and names of Drinking and Water Supply schemes which have been received by Government from the Himach!ll (c) the outcome. of the discussions? Government for approval and sanction during the last two years; THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) the number and names of schemes MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). The Chief which have been approved and sanctioned Ministers of Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, and which ·wait for approval and sanction; Gujarat, Kerala, West Bengal and certain other States who met the Deputy Prime (c) the time by which they will be sanc- Minister during their visits to Delhi in the tioned ; course of the last four weeks had general discussions, between the Centre and the State (d) whether Government have received Governments concerned. the Hatroas Water Scheme in Kangra District of Himachal Pradesh; and Income Tax Arrears Realised or Written (e) if so, when a decision will be taken off Daring Last Year in this regard? 6305. SHRI K. N. PANDEY: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING (a) the total recoveries of Income-tax AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI arrears made by Government during the first B. S. MURTHY) : (a) (b) to (c). lOS rural six months of the last financial year; water supply schemes were received from the Himachal Pradesh Government during the (b) the amount of effective tax arrears last two years. 87 schemes have so far been written off during the same period and the reasons therefor ; and sanctioned by ~ Government of India under the National Waier Supply and Sanitation programme. Six schemes are under scrutiny (c) the names of the assessees in whose and they will be disposed of by the end of cases income tax arrears of more than Rs. I April, 1969. A list showing the names of the lakh were written off during the above period? schemes received, sanctioned and under scrutiny Is Laid on the Table of the House. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND [Placed in Library. See No. LT-749/69]. MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI) : (a) Rs. 56.26 crores. Besides these (d) No Water Supply Scheme by the actual recoveries, the arrear demand brought name of Hatroas Water Supply Scheme has forward on 1.4.1968 has been further reduced been received from the Himachal Pradesh by Rs. 35.52 crores on account of relief Government. given in appellate Orders, rectifications, adjustments of advance tax, etc. during the (e) Does not arise. first six months. 151 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 152 (bj Only irrecoverable arrears arc written 5000 were recovered in 1954. In view of the off. The total amount of irrecoverable arrears fact that the company has gone into liquida- written off during the first six months of tion and there was no assets, the remaining 1968-69 in four cases where the amounts demand was written off. involved were over Rs. 1 lakh or more amoun- ted to Rs. 19,59,886. Information regarding (c) 1. Shri M. F. Jassawala, Bombay the total amount written off during the first 2. Mis. Kati Films, Ltd., Calcutta. six months of 1968-69 in cases below Rs. 1 lakh is being collected and will be laid on 3. Mis. Popallal and Co., Bombay. the Table of the House as early as possible. 4?'M/s. National Studios Ltd., Bombay. The reasons for the write-off of Rs. Composition of Tribunal on Narlllllda Water 19,59,886 are given below: Dispute (i) In one case the outstanding demand 6306. SHRI D. N. PATODIA : to assessment years 1943-44 to 1952-53. Rs. SHRI DEORAO PATIL : 20,094 were realised by selling the assessee's shaie in a joint property and his agricultural Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND lands. Barring a sman amount of Rs. 1,646 POWER be pleased to state : which is likely to be recovered in future, the balance was written off as there were no other (a) whether it is a fact that the Govern- assets out of which recovery could be made. ment have decided to refer the Narmada Water dispute to arbitration since the Govern- (ii) In the second case which is that of a ment of Madhya Pradesh have refused to company, the outstanding demand related to accept the recommendation of Khosla assessment years 1947-48 to 1951-52. One of Commission; and the Directors of the company had resigned in 1948 while the other died in 1956. The (b) if so, when and what would be the company went into liquidation and, through composition of the Tribunal? the Receiver, Rs. 6,378 could be recovered. The company is now defunct and has got no THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE traceable assets. The bahince amount was MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND therefore written off. POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) A decision on the subject has not yet (iii) In the third case, the demand related been taken. . to assessment years 1949-50 to 1956-57. The firm was maintaining a purchasing centre in (b) Does not arise. India which was closed down in September, 1954. Rs. 8,414 were realised by selling the Flood Relief Works In Gujarat business premises. Two of the four partners have already been declared insolvent. The 6307. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH third one has died. The fourth partner has MAHIDA : Will the Minister of IRRI- got no source of income. There being no assets GATION AND POWER be pleased to state: left, out of which recovery could be made possible, the arrears were written off. (a) the details of the flood relief works carried out in 1968 and the cost of the works (iv) In the fourth case the outstanding Gujarat State; demand related to the assessment years 1944-45 to 1946-47. The company (b) the loss and damage by floods in closed down its business in December 1948. Gujarat State during the last year; and A liquidator was appointed to wind up the , affairs of the company. Misfeasance proceed- (c) the details of flood control works ings were also started against the Directors proposed to be taken up in Gujarat this year during the course of which the Managing and the details of the flood control schemes, Director was declared insolvent by the Bombay if any, proposed to be included in the State's High Court. As a result of action taken Rs. Fourth Plan? IS3 Wrillen Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Writ/en Answe" 154 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE [Placed in Library. See No. LT-750/69] MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND . POWER(SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (b) The Government of Gujarat have (a) A Statement containing the requisite reported that the extent of flood damage in information is laid on the Table of the House. 1968 was as follows ;- 1. Damage to crops. Rs. 549.27 lakhs 2. Damage to houses and huts. Rs. 407.05 lakhs 3. Value of animals lost. Rs. 36.13 Iakhs 4. Damage to roads &S. 757.00 lakhs 5. Damage to irrigation works. Rs. 96.00 lakhs 6. Damage to buildings Rs. /16.25 lakhs 7. Damage to Ports Rs. 1.50 lakhs 8. Damage to Industries. Rs. 993.80 lakhs 9. Damage to p li~ utilities Rs. 549.96 lakhs Total Rs. 3406.96 lakhs (c) The requisite information is given THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND in the Statements laid on the Table of the MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI) : (a)' and (b). The rates of House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- Compensatory (city) allowance payable to 750/691 Central Government employees are not related to the class of post held, but to the City Compensatory Allo ...... ce to Class IV pay (inclusive of dearness pay) drawn by Government Employees them. In an 'A' class city, employees drawing pay (inclusive of dearness pay) _ 6308. SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH : below Rs. 150/- p.m. are entitled to SHRI NIHAL SINGH : compensatory (city) allowance at the rate of SHRI P. C. ADICHAN : 10% of pay subject to a minimum of Rs. 7.50. and maximum of Rs. 12.50. Will the Minister of FINANCE he This rate is based on the recommendations pleased to state : of the Second Pay Commission. (a) whether a ceiling of Rs. 12.50. has (c) and (d). The decision to treat a been put on the amount of City Compensatory portion of dearness allowance as pay does Allowance payable to Class IV Government not involve revision of pay scales. Incre- employees; ments will, therefore. continue to be regulated with reference to the basic pay drawn from (b) 'if so, the reasons therefor; time to time. (c) whether with the merger of dearness afsm ~~if m~ allowance with pay, such employees are being granted annual increments at the enhanced rate to which they become entitled after 6309. I5iT uq ~ 0TIr0m'I: om reaching the higher stage in their scales; ~, qft;rn: ~, ~, ~ and am ;m: m.m ~" ~ iRI'f.t ~ ~ (d) if not, the reasons therefor? ~i f", : ISS Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Aruwers 1S6 ~) (c) No, Sir. Some of the cotton fabrics State Electricity Boards taken together, during of comparable price ranges as cotton blankets, 1967-68 was 5.8% on the capital base. For gadlapat and canvas cloth but which are the same year in the case of Municipal subject to duty at specific rates bear higher Undertakings the average return was 6.26% incidence of duty in terms of ad valorem than and in tbe case of private electricity under- the ad valorem duty on cotton blankets, takings it was 7.18%. gadlapt and canvas cloth. (b) The Private Electricity Undertakings (d) A single ad valorem rate of duty will and Municipal Undertakings function largely be the most equitable as it will have the same within urban areas where the load density is incidence of duty on all fabrics. With tele· higher requiring correspondingly lower capi- scopic rates the incidence of duty in terms of tal investment for catering to equal demand percentage of the value will be higher for and the cost of the work in progress included higher priced goods. However, application in their capital base is much smaller. of ad valorem rates of duties in all cases presents certain administrative difficulties. The Electricity Boards under section 18 of Administratively it is also not feasible to fix the Electricity (Supply) Act, 1948, are charged tariff values in the case of cotton fabrics with the general duty of promoting the c0- where there are numerous varieties of fabrics ordinated development of the generation, with different prices. supply and distribution of electricity within the State with particular reference to such Elel:trical UndertakiDg ID Public aDd PrIvate development in areas not for the time being Sectors served or adequately served by any licensee. The Electricity Board have, therefore, the obligation of catering to a large area includ- 6311. SHRI LOBO PRABHU: Will the ing rura1 areas necessitating large investment Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER be on installation of widespread transmission pleased to state: and distribution network. Compared with the Private Undertakings, larger capital in- (a) the average return at present on capi- vestments are required by State Electricity tal iDvested iD Electrical Undertakings in the Boards for serving the same quantum of public and private sectors respectively; demand. Also due to poor load factor in Boards' areas the direct return on the invest- (b) the reasons for the differences; ment is lower. (c) whether the return of 11 per cent as recommended by the Venkataraman Commit- (c) to (e). The State Electricity Boards tee for public sector enterprises is proposed were not in existence in 1951 but were formed to be recovered by increasing the rates of only during the period 1957-60. The electric supply to consumers and if so, the recommendations of the Venkataraman average at which these rates have been Committee regarding earnine of 11 % return enhanced since 195 I; were commended to t he States in the Govern- ment of India Resolution No. EL. II. 3 (d) whether this return is proposed to be (1)/64, dated the 3ed March, 1965. It was recovered by way of economy and if so, the also recommended by the Venkataraman steps contemplated and how far they are being Committee that the State Electricity Boards implemented; and should keep the cost of generation, trans- mission and distribution including overheads (e) whether the increase in the rates of as low as possible taking necessary corrective electric supply would also be considered with measures by periodical reviews. The recom- reference to their effect on agricultural and mendation was also commended to the industrial production? States. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE In pursuance of these recommendations, MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND the State Electricity Boards have adopted POWER (SHRI SJDDHESHWAR PRA- various measures like inter-connecting the SAD): (a) The average return of all the isolated power systems in the States forming 159 Wrillf'n Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Wriucn Answers 160 into Grids to enable integrated operation of (tT) w;ncr if; ~ f.I; ~ ~ the hydro and thermal power stations, secur- ;nfuif ~ 1 15 <1"'" Wealth Tax and Estate Daty Collections in January, 1969 for the allotment o( a model Manipur Kiosk in (ront of A. I. R. Parliament Street, New Delhi; 6313. SHRI M. MEGHACHANDRA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details of tenders received and whether the tender has been awarded to the highest tenderer in accordance with the (a) the amount collected from the Union terms of the tender; and Territory of Manipur as payment of (i) Wealth tax; and (ii) Estate Duties during the years 1967-68 1968-69; and (c) if not, the reasons therefor and the party to whom the tender has been award· (b) the number of persons paying Wealth· ed? tax and the Estate duties during the al;>ove THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE period? MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER B. S. MURTHY) : (a) Yes, Sir. AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) The amount collec· ted from the Union Territory of Manipur as (b) and (e). 4 tenders were received as payment' of (i) Wealth·tax and (ii) Estate per details given below :- Duty during the years 1967-68 and 1968-69 are as under: I. Shri Tarsem Kumar Rs. 120/· p. m. Year Amount collected (In thousands of Wealth·tax Rs.) Estate Duty 2. Shri Ramesh Kumar Rs. 85/. p. m. 1967-68 17 4 1968-69 11 3 3. Shri Hakikat Rai Rs. 75/· p.m. (b) The number of persons paying 4. Shri Sohan Lal Rs. 60/· p. m. Wealth·tax and Estate Duty during 1967-68 and 1968-69 are as under: No tender has so far been accepted and the matter is under the consideration of the Year Number of persons paying: New Delhi Municipal Committee. Wealth·tax Estate Duty Income Tn Collections in Manipur and 1967-68 '46 Nagaland 1968-69 63 6315. SHRI M. MEGHACHANDRA: Model Kiosk in Front of A. I. R. Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased ., Parliament Street, New Delhi to state: 6314. SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH (a) the Income Tax collections (rom the SHASTRI : Will the Minister of HEALTH Union Territory of Manipur and the State of AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, Nagaland during the year 1967-68 and 1968-69 HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT respectively; be pleased to state : (a) whether the New Delhi Municipal (b) the number of individuals and firms Committee had invited sealed tenders in paying Income Tax; and 163 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 164 (c) the number of first 10 persons or mentioned a. accused in the F. I. R. on firms paying high IAcome Tax in Manipur which investigation has started and is now in and Nagaland ? progress. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND The entire matter i. under investigation. MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI The culpability of others will be gone into MORARJI DESAI) : (a) to (c). The requi- during investigation. Action against persons site information is being collected and will spo si ~ for irregularities and misconduct be laid on the Table of the House as early as will be IXllISidered after the completion of possible. the investigation. Medical Directorate of Manipur The Accountant General, Assam has also carried out special audit at the request of 6316. SHRI M. MEGHACHANDRA: the Government of Manipur. The report is Will the Minister of HEALTH AND awaited. FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : Hasant Competition organised by L.I.C. for Development OfDcers and Agents (a) whether it is a fact that C. B. I. have in Delbi Division decided to investigate into the affairs of the Medical Directorate, Manipur; 6317. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: SHRY CHANDRA SHEKHAR (b) whether it is also a fact that th SINGH: Deirector, Medical and Public Health Manipn sr not included in the list of t he accused in ithe F. I. R.; Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) if so, the reasons therefor; and (a) whether it is a fact that tbe Life Insu- (d) whether Government propose to take rance Corporation organised a Basant Compe- interim action against the present Director tition in the Delhi Division for the Develop- in view of the prima f,cie proof of the ment Officers and Agents; grave irregularities in the purchase of equip- ment. and other hospital requirements in the General Hospital, Manipur ? (b) whether it is also a fact that the period of the Competition was from the 16th THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE January, 1969; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING (c) whether it is further a fact that AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI most of the Branches have not so far B. S. MURTHY) : (a) to (d). The Central prepared the lists showing the business Bureau of Investigation are investigating in introduced by the Agents Development some allegation. connected with the purchase Officers and this has caused dissatisfaction of hospital equipment and allied stores by the among the Agent. as they could not know Medical Directorate of Manipur in 1968. their position so far as the introduction of The Director of Medical and Health Services, business is concerned; and Manipur does not figure as an accused in the F. I. R. The allegations which prima- ~ facie make out a criminal offence relate to (d) if so, the steps proposed to be taken the drawal of amounts from the Treasury in to ensure quick preparation of those lists and March, 1968 on the basi. of faIse bills and also the preparation of such lists every week certificates prepared and furnished by the showing the weekly position SO that the Administrative Officer and checked by the Agents could know the latest Position and Accountant. They have, therefore, been compete in the real sense 1 16S Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER ('T) 'fllT ~ 'Ii"T fq.;m: ~ AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. f~ i!; ~ 'fi"lRrfuif, ~ 01fT ~ i!; ~ i!; ft;rit am:~ (b) Yes, Sir. 'IiV!T ~ 'Ii"T ~;;fT~ ~ i!; ~ ~m. ~i ; ~ (c) No, Sir. The Agents/Development Officers were kept well informed of quantum ~ am: lift ~, cIT ~ 'FIT 'ffi1JT ~ ? of business introduced by the Branches through their respective Assistant Branch ~ Proposal Cost (Rs. crores) Capacity (Tonnes equivalent phosphorus/year. I. Cochin Fertilizer Project (Cochin-Phase II) of Fertili- zers and Chemicals Travancore Ltd. 22.35 61,400 2. Rallis India Ltd.-manufacture of elemental phosphorous and complex fertilizer at Mangalore. 20.00 33,000 3. Mysore State Industrial Invest- ment and Development Corpora- tion Ltd. manufacturer of phosphorous and phosphoric acid at Mangalore 14.00 50,000 (c) It is not possible to indicate the (b) whether Government have negotiated time by which a final decision could be taken with any country for the above; and in the matter. (c) if so, the details thereof? Production of Potash THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6320. SHRI RAMACHANDRA MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND VEERAPPA : Will the Minister of PETRO- CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS LEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) At present AND METALS be pleased to state: there is no proposal to enter into an agree- ment with any foreign countrY for production (a) whether Government propose to of potash. enter into an agreement with another countrY for the production of potash; (b) No. 169 ill~ Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Wrlllen Answers 170 (c) Does not arise. After enquiries in these cases, 40 persons were declared ineligible, 14 were debarred Government Quarters occupied by Non- from sharing and no action was taken in 8 Allottees in Srinivaspuri, Ne .. Delbi cases as the unauthorised subletting was not proved. During tbe year 1968, out of 57 6321. SHRI RAMACHANDRA complaints, 32 were anonymous/pseudony- VEERAPPA: Will the Minister of HEALTH mous. Out of the remaining 25 cases, 12 AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, are under consideration and 13 cases have HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT been settled after making necessary enquiries. be pleased to state: In these 13 cases, 7 could not be proved, 4 employee's were declared ineligible and 2 were (a) whether it is a fact that Government debarred from sharing general pool accommo- have received a number of complaints to dation with other employees. the effect that in Srinivaspuri Colony; New Delhi most of the Government quarters are (d) A statement showing the position in occupied by non-allottees on payment 'of regard to 62 subletting cases in 1967 and 25 high rents; subletting cases in 1968 is laid on Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- (b) if so, whether Government have 751/69] taken any action on these complaints; Provision of Water Taps and Ceiling Fans (c) if so, the details thereof and the in Servants Quart.... of North and South number of cases which are under investigation Avenues and the number of cases settled; and 6322. SHRI RAMACHANDRA VEERA- (d) the number of persons along with PPA : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND the quarter number of such persons against FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, whom the enquiry is going on and the num- HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP- ber of persons along with their quarter MENT be pleased to state: numbers whose cases have been settled after enquiry during the last two years? (a) whether it is a fact that newly con- structed servants quarters in North and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE South Avenues, New Delhi have been pro- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY vided with water taps in the Kitchen and PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING there is provision of ceiling fans and separate AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI bathrooms for each quarter; and B. S. MURTHY) : (a) Enquiries ahout unauthorised subletting of Government accom- (b) if so, why the water taps have not modation are conducted when any comp- been provided and provision of ceiling fans laints is received against the allottees. The has not been made in old servants quart .... ? complaints have also been received in regard to subletting of . Government quarters in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Srinivaspuri. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING (b) Action is taken in accordance with AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI the provisions contained in the Allotment B. S. MURTHY): (a) Yes, Sir, except Rules against those allottees where subletting that only fan points and fan clamps and is proved. not ceiling fans, have been provided. (c) On receipt of complaint, the enquiries (b) The old Servants quarters are of. are conducted but no action i. taken on dilferent design, without any separate kitchen anonymous / pseudonymous complaints. and hence no tap was provided. During the year 1967, in all, 160 compla- ints were received, out of which 98 were No fan points or fan clamps were pro- anonymous/pseudonymous and the action vided in these old quarters when these were on the remaining 62 complaints was taken. originally electrified. The qnestion of 171 Written An.rwers APRIL 14, 1969 Written AIISwrrs 172 providing ran points and ran clamps in the (c) whether Government are aware of old servants quarters is under considera- extreme dissatisfaction among the staff of tion. the Centre regarding wastage of research facilities; and Plants for Processing Nickel Ore in Orissa (d) whether Government propose to set up a Reviewing Committee to assess the Centre's performance? 6223. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: SHRIRAMACHANDRA THti.MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VEERAPPA: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA: PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Will the Minister or PETROLEUM B. S. MURTHY): (a) Yes. AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS be pleased to state: (b) A list of the subjects on which research is being conducted is laid on the (a) whether it is proposed to set up a Table of the House. [Placed in Library. Ste plant in the public Sector in Orissa for No. T~ . processing of nickel on,; (c) No. (b) if so, the investment involved, sche- duled for construction and commissioning of (d) Yes. the plant; and Rates Cbarged for Supply of Electrical (c) the sources, domestic and foreign, Energy to Industry and Ab'l"iculture of obtaining nickel ore to feed the plant ? 6325. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DHARY: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND AND POWER be pleased to state: CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI JAGANATH RAO): For the present (a) the per unit rates charged by each it is proposed to take up a' feasibility study State for the supply of electrical energy for for development or a mine based on the industrial and agricultural purposes; Sukhinda Nickel deposits in Orissa. A decision about construction of a mine and (b) the reasons for the disparity; plant will depend upon the results of this study. (c) whether Government propose to reduce rates of electricity for agricultural (b) and (c). Do not arise. purposes in all the States with a view to boost agricultural production; and National Cancer Research Centre, Calcutta (d) if not, the reasons therefor? 6324. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased POWER (SARI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): to state: (a) A statement showing the average rates for agriculture and industries within the (a) whether the research work being areas of supply of Electricity Boardsj done at the National Cancer Research Centre, Electricity Department is laid on the Table Calcutta bas so far been worth the expense of the House. [Placrd in Library. Ste No. involved; LT-753j69]. (b) whether Government prOpose to lay (b) to (d). Supply for agriculturists is a statement on the Table living a summary generally at 400 volts involving expenditure of the actual research achievements to-date: on transformation from high voltage and 173 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Writ/ell Answers 174 distribution at medium voltage whereas major River Valley Projects like Narmada power for heavy industries is at high voltage. Project; and Volta"" of supply minimum demand, con- sumption and load factor are higher in the case of industrial consumers than in the (b) if so, the reasons for not taking up such projects as National Projects ? case of agricultural consumers. For these reasons tariff rates for heavy industries are lower than tariff rates for ligricultural THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN'THE purposes. As compared with the industries MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND of similar load receiving power supply at POWER (SHRI SIDHESHWAR PRASAD): identical voltage, the electricity rates for agri- (a) and (b). The question of financing major cultural purposes are either the same or lower river valley projects has been under consi- in most of the States. The State Governments deration for quite some time now. The and State Electricity Boards were advised to National Development Council have decided fix the rate for power supplied toagri- that ten per cent of the Central assistance to culturists at not more than 12 paise per unit. the State will be given on the basis of con- The ceiling of 12 paise per unit was suggested tinuing major irrigation and power projects. to provide an incentive to the farmers with a view to increase agricultural production. Rales of EIeclclcal Eoergy Supplied to Construction of Inler-Slale Lines and Inler- Industries and Agrieolture Regional Links 6328. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- 6326. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- DHARY: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION DHARY: Will the Minister of IRRIGA- AND POWER be pleased to state: TION AND POWER be pleased to refer to the reply given to Un starred Question No. 1602 on the 3rd March, 1969 and state: (a) whether it is a fact that rates of electrical energy supplied to industries in the (a) whether the proposals for construc- country are lower than the elect rieal energy tion of inter-state lines and inter-regional supplied to agriculture; links have since been finalised; (b) whether both the rates would be (b) if so, the details thereof; and brought at par; and (c) if not, the reasons for the delay and (c) if not, the reasons therefor? when it is likely to be finalised ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) to (c). POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- It was indicated in reply to Unstarred Question SAD): (a) to (c). Power supply for agricul- No. 1602 on 3rd March, 1969 that proposals turists is generally at 400 volts involving for construction of inter-State lines and'inter- expenditure on transformation from high regional links for inclusion in the Fourth voltage and distribution at low voltage, Five Year Plan were under consideration. whereas power for heavy industries is made The details of the Fourth Five Year Plan at high voltage. Voltage of supply, minimum have IIOt yet been finalised. demand and consumption and load factor are higher in the case of industrial consumers River Valley Projects as National Projectes than in the case of agricultural consumers. For these reasons tariff rates for heavy indus- 6327. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- tries arc lower than tariff rates for agricultural DHAR Y: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION purposes. As compared with the rates of AND POWER be pleased to state: small industries which are also supplied at the same voltage as for agriculturists the (a) whether it i. a fact that States are tariff rates for agricultural purposes are either not able to find funds for the completion of the same or lower in most of the States. 17S Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 176 Power Generated in states existing factory, which is already big, would not be an adequate and satisfactory measure. 6329. SHRI NmRAJ SINGH CHAU- The location of these Units has not yet been DHARY: Will the Minister ofiRRIGATION finalised. AND POWER be pleased to state: (c) The setting up of the new units is not (a) the total power proposed to be gen- related to the functioning of the Trade Union erated in each State at present; in the existing Factory. , (b) the total power proposed to be gen- Alloeatlollll for Housing Schemes for Manipur erated in each State at the end of Fourth Five Year Plan; 6331. SHRI M. MEGHACHANDRA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (c) whether the power requirements of FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS. each State would be met at the end of Fourth HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT Five Year Plan; and be pleased to state: (d) if not, how the deficit would be met? (a) the total amount allocated for hous- ing schemes in the Union Territory of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Manipur for the years 1967-68, 1968-69 and MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND the coming year; POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHW AR PRA- SAD): (a) A statement giving the requisite (b) whether the Government of Manipur information is given in the statement laid on have withheld the grant of housing loans the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. after the grant of the fir.t instalment of the See. No. LT-7S4/193] loans; (b) to (d). The Fourth Five Year Plan (c) if so, the number of such cases during has not yet been finalised. the last three Years and the reasons with- holding of the grant in such manner; and Ne .. Unit of Security Printi?g Press at Nasik (d) whether Government is reviewing the cases for grant of the withheld instalments b330. SHRI MADHU LIMA YE: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: of the loan? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether it is a fact that Government MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY have decided to start a new unit of the PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING Security Printing Press at Nasik instead of AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.S. expanding the existing Press; MURTHY): (a) to (d). The requisite infor- mation has been called for from the Govern- (b) whether it is also a fact that this ment of Manipur and will be laid on the will involve Government in additional outlay; Table of a Sabha when received. and Technical Training Centre at Kotah (c) whether this unit will affect the exist- ing Trade Union in any way? 6332. SHRI JNDRAJIT GUPTA: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). A new (a) whether his Ministry. had called a Intaglio Press for printing Bank Notes and a batch of Engineering Graduates, Diploma new Postal Stationery Press for printing Pos- Holders and Mechanical Engineers for practi- tal Stationery, Judicial and Non-Judicial cal training in heavy earth moving equipments stamps are proposed to be set' uP. as the under the practical training stipend scheme additional printing capacity required to be sponsored by the Ministry of Education and created is considerable and expanding the Youth Services; 177 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 (b) whether the training given to them at (c) whether it is also a fact that the plant the technical training Centre at Kotah was had another break-down within four months; purely theoretical; (d) the total loss of production in kilo- (c) whether Government had previously Iitres and in terms of money during tbis decided to close down the technical training period; Centre at Kotah on the ground that Govern- ment was no more in need of operators and mechanics of heavy earth moving equipments; (e) the installed capacity of the kerosene and plant and the production at present; (d) if so, the reasons for calling them (0 whether it is further a fact that the for training in heavy earth moving equipments installed capacity of the kero-sene plant has which did not provide them any prospects never been utilised since its operation; and for future employment? (g) if so, the reasons therefor and the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE steps taken to utilise the installed capacity of MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND the kerosene plant? POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- SAD): (a). In order to give practical exper- ience in .t he operation and maintenance of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE heavy earthmoving equipment, seats were MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM AND made available in the Technical Training CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS Centre at Kotah, as well as in the Technical (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) and (b) The Training Centres at Nagarjunasagar, Kakrapar kerosene refining unit had to be shut down and Nangal, to trainees under the stipendiary on 25-2-1969 due the sulphur dioxide comp- training scheme sponsored by the Ministry of ressor liner trouble. Education and Youth Services. At the Kotah Centre, 50 engineers (9 graduates and (c) Yes. 41 diploma holders) joined the last training course. (d) The crude throughout was not affected as the feedstocks were mostly diverted to (b). This is not correct. The emphasis inferior kerosene blending. is mainly on practical training inasmuch as out of 8 hours training per day, practical (e) The unit is designed for processing training is imparted to the trainees for seven 230,200 tonnes of f s o ~ per year on 330 hours. operating days. The unit is presently operating for about 10 to 12 days a month (c). No, Sir. depending upon market requirements. (d). Does not arise. (f) Yes. Break-Down in nooomati ReBnery, Gaubati (g) The main reasons for the shortfall in 6333. SHRI DHIRESWAR KALITA: utilisation of this unit are; SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: (i) limited market for Iomex; and Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND (ii) 75,500 tonnes of S. R. and coking METALS be pleased to state: kerosene, originally designed for being processed for inferior kerosene (a) whether it is a fact that Kerosene production, are no longer required as Refining Plant in Noonmati Refinery the inferior kerosene can now be (Gauhati) has gone wrong; blended directly from these components without being processed (b) if so, the reasons therefor; . in the kerosene refining unit. 179 W,illen Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Wrillen Answers ISO Construction of Embankment by Pakistan (c) if so, the steps Government propose in Agartala to take to solve the drinking water crisis there? 6334.SHRI KIRIT BIKRAM DEV BUR- MAN : Will the Minister of IRRIGAnON THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND POWER be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING (a) Whether it is a fact that Pakistan has AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.S. constructed an embankment near the Pak MURpIY) : (a) the drinkinll water problem Check-post opposite Agartala Check-post in does Dot appear to be as acute in Nilgiri dis- Kalapania Canal, resulting in the water- trict as it is in some others. logging of the areas in Tripura and raising a constant threat of floods with added intensity (b) No such request has been received. in Tripura; (c) Does not arise. (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto; and Scbetluled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in (c) the response of Pakistan Government Defence Accounts Department to the protests, if any. lodged with that Gc>- vernment in that regard ? 6336. SHRI RAM CHARAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (a) the percentage of Scheduled Castes (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) and Scheduled Tribes in the S.A.S. Cadre of Yes, Sir; the Government of Tripura have the Defence Accounts Department; noticed waterlogging of some areas near Agar- tala as a result of the embankment construc- (b) the steps which are being taken by ted by Pakistan. Government to complete the quota; and (b) and (c). Protest has been logded with (c) Whether Government propose to re- the Pakistan Government against the unilateral cruit Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes construction of the embankment and its imme- for appointment as S. A. S. Accountants by diate demolition has been suggested. Pakistan's holding a special test or examination to fill reply is awaited. the quota. Scarcity of Drinking Water in Ootacamuod THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER and Coonoor in Nilgiri Hills AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) No percentage has 6335. SHRI UMANTH : been prescribed, as the vacancies in the S.A.S. SHRI K. RAMANI : cadre are filled out of candidates belonging SHRI NAMBIAR : to the clerical grade who have to pass a SHRI E. K. NAYANAR: qualifying departmental examination. Infor- mation regarding the actual percentage of Will the Minister of HEALTH AND Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes is being FAMIL Y PLANNING AND WORKS, collected and will be laid on the table of the HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT House in due course. be pleased to state: (a) whether Government are aware that (b) Does not arise, as there is no fixed tourist centres like Ootacamuud and Coonoor quota. in Nilgiri Hills are experiencing acute drink- r iog water scarcity; (c) Persons from Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes take the qualifying S.A.S. (b) whether the Tamilnadu Government Examination alongwith others and some of have asked for Central help solving this drink- them also secure the prescribed pass marks. ing water problems in Nilgiris; and Cases of the candi dates from Scheduled 181 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 182 Castes/Scheduled Tribes who do not secure allowed to the film personalities like actors, the prescribed minima are specially considered producers, directors, actresses, play back and some concession is shown to enable singers and musicians during the last three deserving cases to be declared successful. years and up to the end of March, 1969 for the purpose of foreign tours and the reasons Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in for giving such foreign exchange; and Ufe Insurance Corporation (b) the names of the film personalities to 6331. SHRY RAM CHARAN: Will the whom foreign exchange has been sanctioned Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: during, the above period and the amount sanctioned to each and the countries visited (a) whether it is a fact that the Life In- by them. surance Corporation is not having full repre- sentation of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER Tribes in all grades of services in the Life AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI Insurance Corporation; and MORARJI DESAI) (a) and (b) Data is not maintained as per classification by voca- (b) if so, how long it will take for Go- tion as indicated in the question. Neverthe- vernment to complete the quota? less, if any Specific information in respect of any particular person(s) is required, it THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER can be ascertained and furnished. AND MINISTER OF FINANCE, (SHRI MORARJI DESAI) : (a) and (b). The in- formation is being collected from the Life Government Employees Debarred From Insurance Corporation and will be placed on Government Accommodation the table of the House as soon as it is received. 6340. SHRI ARJUN SINGH Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes BHADORIA. Will the Minister of HEALTH in L. I. C. AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT 6338. SHRY RAM CHARAN: Will the be pleased to state: Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (a) the percentage of Scheduled Castes (a) whether it is a fact that the Central and Scheduled Tribes officers and staff in Government employees on transfer to a each grade in the Life Insurance Corporation; Corporation or to a Government undertaking and after a lapse of two months are debarred from Government accommodation; (b) the steps taken by Government to fulfill the quota of Scheduled Castes and (b) if so, the reasons therefor; Scheduled Tribes candidates in the Life Insu- rance Corporation ? (c) whether they cease to be Government servants when their lien in other Government THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER department continue to exist and for all AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI purposes they remain Central Government MORARJI DESAI) : (a) and (b). The in- servants; formation is being collected from the Ufe Insurance Corporation and will be placed on the table of the House as soon as it is received. (d) whether there is any proposal under Government's consideration to allow Govern- Foreign Exchange Allowed to Film People ment employees to retain their Government accommodation till such time as they retain 6339. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL: Will their lien in other Central Government Departments; and the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (a) the total amount of foreign exchange (e) if so, the details thereof? 183 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 184 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE l:!'ro ~ ft:rtl:, ~ " 1382 <'m'f ~ 'li"T fcrm MINISTRY OE HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING ljn tion No. 666 on the 24th March, 1969 and state. (a) whether the matter regarding the making of provision to reserve residential accommodation for Central Government/ Union Territories/Government and Public 6343. ~ ~: 'flIT -n Undertakings' employees belonging to the ~ a"'fI ~ am- I!rr.f a"'fI ~ Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes has I1"4T ~ GRrf.f '1ft 'rfT lfiifr f.f; : since been discussed with the leaders of all Parties; ( ifi") 'flIT li~ lJ'f ~ fifi" ~ m t (b) if so, the decision(s) arrived at mm ifm~if;~m if therein; and t:% ~ ~ ~ ~ a"'fI ~ am- I!rr.f ~ (b) Does not arise. ~~if mq ~ (-n ~ (c) A decision in this regard can only ~ ~m~if; m): (ifi") ('f). be taken after the malter is discussed with ~ 6344. SHRI SURAJ BHAN: Will the (b) whether it is also fact that if such Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Government employees are allowed to excha- PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING nge their quarters amongst themselves, most AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased of them can be relieved of this unnecessary to refer to the reply given to Starred Ques- expenditure and wastage of time; 187 Wrillen Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 188 (c) if so, whether Government propose ( !;f) mq:t ~ ~ illh:r 'flIT ~ to allow such exchanges of residential acco- mmodations and start some office or section ar'R 73'f A provision exists in the Allotment 6347. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: Rules according to which the officers to SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF: whom residences of the same type have been allotted can apply for permission to mutually exchange their residences. Permission for Will the Minister of HEALTH AND mutual excbange is granted if both the offi- FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, cers are reasonably expected to be on duty HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT in Delhi and to reside in their mutually be pleased to state : exchanged residences for at least six months from the date of approval of such exchange. (a) whether a symposium on 'role of housing in National Economy' was held in New Delhi recently; (b) if so, the problems discussed at the symposium; and 6346: ~.~ ~: 'flIT nt.Tf (c) the recommendations made and ~ ~ ~ 1P-'IT ;rcrrif 'I>'T !"IT 'l>iiT Government's reaction thereto ? f~ : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~) 'flIT ~ " ~ f~ ~ <:rtlT MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING f~ if 3f'm ari'/f.,.m if m 1IT'f ~ ~, ~ mIT ~ 'liT ~, am: ~~, at ~ 'fltT ~ ~ 6348. 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Do not arise in view of (c) above. ~ srrc Raids to Unearth Unaccounted Money ..... 6352. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM: from Film Stars Wili the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT 6351. SHRI SITARAM KESRI: be pleased to refer to the reply given to SHRI ARJUN SINGH Unstarred Question No. 775 on the 24th BHADORTA: February, 1969 and state: Will the Minister of FINANCE be (a) whether any schemes have since been pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred taken up in his Ministry so as to employ Question No. 676 on the 24th March. 1969 the unemployed Engineers in preparatory and state: and investigative work of projects likely to be included in Fourth Plan; and (a) the name of the film star and the amount of concealed income recovered from (b) if so, the details thereof? the Film Star; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) how much tax and penalties have MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY been imposed on the said Film Star; PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI (c) the names of other Film Stars against B. S. MURTHY): (a) and (b). The infor- whom income-tax cases are-still pending; mation is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (d) the amount of tax in each case; and Rehabilitation of Pong Dam Oustees (e) the time by which it is likely to be recovered in full ? 6353. SHRT HEM RAJ: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRT MORARJI DESAI): (a) As a result of the (a) whether Government are aware of search in the case of Miss Waheeda Rehman, the statement of the Chief i is ~ , Rajasthan some documents were seized and the concealed made on the 29th March, 1969 at Jaipur income was detennined at Rs. 7.5 lakhs for that the Rajasthan Government will not the assessment years 1957-58 to 196fHi7. resettle the Pong Dam Oustees if more funds are not provided by the Central Government; and (b) Tax } Rs. 6,44,160/- levied (b) if liD, .the step. wbich Government penalty} propose to take to ensure that the Pong Dam levied Rs. 75,633/- Oustees are not ousted from the Kangra Valley unless arrangements are made for Part of the tax and penalty has already tbeir rehabili tation in Rajasthan ? been recovered and the balance is being recovered by instalments. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND (c) The other Film Star referred to in POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): the above reply was Miss Mumtaz. No (a) According to the information available, 193 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 194 the Chief Minister of Rajasthan stated that ( 'Ii" ) 'flIT ~ «'if ~ fir; ~ ~ unless the programme of construction of the ~if; ~ lf; 1i a f~~ Rajasthan Canal is considerably augmented 75-95 and the allocation for the Project considerably CAi" ~ 'R ~ ..". oNCI<: lfIflflf> ~ increased for expediting the construction of ~f~ ~ if;;: ~ ~ ~ the Rajasthan Canal, Rajasthan will not 'R ..n be able to meet even the immediate demand <'fR'ft ~ ~ rnr f'<;rftRr ,,~ of land for the oustees. ~ ~ ", 1~i ii ) ~" 'lWT ~ ~ ",.~) if; 67 'R ~ (b) The arrangements for their expedi- 'l1SO tious rehabilitation are under active considera- f~ if; ~ ~ iT~ ~ tion in consultation with the State Govern- 95-3-110 ~~; ments. am: ~) l f ~, f;ppff it Excise Levies on Small Powerloom m lJ;<'f-wr Industry f~~l ~ i" ~; m if; 'flIT ;m:ur ~ .? 6354. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: SHRI RAM A VTAR SHARMA: 'A-Sf1WI' q,n ~ mr-q,n ('l1 Will the Minister of FINANCE be ~ mt): ('Ii") am: ~). pleased to state: ~T 'liT l ~, ~ ~ ~ 3fT1ittr ~ f~ ~ ~ ~ (a) whether Government have received a 'R arr THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER Financial Rules AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI) (a) Yes, Sir. 6356. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to refer (b) A copy of the memorandum is placed to the reply given to Unstarred Question on the Table of the House. [Placed in No. 3248 on the 17th March, 1969, and LibrarY.,See No. LT-756J691 state: (c) and (d) The points raised in the (a) whether the cJarificatory orders, expe- memorandum are under consideration of the cted to be issued, will be made applicable Government. for future only and that the Past cases will be dealt with according to the practice adopted earlier by the various Government Depart- ments in order to make them at par with other Government servants who have already 6355. ~ f~ ~ : 'flIT m.- ~T been given the benefits as envisaged under ~~ i" T fi ;: F. R. 22-C; and 195 Written Answers APRIL 14, 1969 Written Answers 196 (b) if not, the reasons for the disparity (d) if so, with what results; and among the same class of Government ser- vants? (e) the steps taken to fix the responsibi- lity in the matter? THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MORARJI DESAI) : (a) and (b) The clari- MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND ficatory orders are proposed to be issued to P9;:VER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) ensure that the erroneous pay fixation done (8.) . Yes, Sir. in the past by a few Ministries/Departments does not recur. The unintended benefit resul- ting from erroneous pay fixation in a few (b) . No damage has been noticed eitber Ministries/Departments cannot obviously in the Koyna dam and other structures or in form the blSis now for giving unintended the surrounding area, as a result of these benefits in all Ministries/Departments where after shocks. pay had been correctly fixed. (c) and (d) During the investigationl Payment of ":\'axes by Film Financiers stage of the Koyna Project, the geologicay and Exbibitors in U Usr Pradesh inspection of the area was done in 1949 by Dr. J. B. Auden of the Geological Surver 6357. SHRI K. N. PANDEY: Will the of India Department at that time and by D. Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: F. A. Nickell Consulting Geologist from the U. S. A. No. mention about any possible (a) the names of film financiers and film seismic activity in the Koyna region was exhibitors in the State of Uttar Pradesh pay- made in the Geological reports by the above ing wealth-tax on wealth ranging between two noted experts. Besides, on the basis of Rs. I lakh to 5 lakhs; and inspection of field conditions and cores from drill holes, Dr. Nickell had observed (b) if so, the number of film financiers in bis report that the selected dam site was and film exhibitors with their names paying the best place for the proposed structure wealth-tax on wealth. of Rs. 5 lakhs and and was adaptible either to a concrete or above? earth and rock-fill dam. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER (e) . In view of the position explained AND MINISTER OF FINANCE, (SHRI above, there is no question of fixing any MORARJI DESAI) : (a) and (b). The responsibility on anyone. requisite information is not readily available and is being cOllected. The same will be Water Meten in Quarters in laid on the Table of the House as early as Ramakrisbnapuram, New possible. Delhi Koyna Dam 6359. SHRI Y ASHPAL SINGH: Will 6358. SHRI BENI SHANKER the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY SHARMA : Will the Minister of IRRIGA- PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING TION AND POWER be pleased to state: AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that Koyna region experienced 197 tremors in 10 weeks between (a) whether it is a fact that water meters December, 1968 to middle of Ferbuary, have been fitted by C. P. W. D. in all tbe 1969; residences in four.storey quarters in Sector XII, Ramakrishna Puram, New Delhi while (b) whether there was any damage; such a provision have not been made in double-storey quarters in the same Sector (c) whether any survey of the region and in Sectors VIII aud IX, Ramakrishna was conducted from this point of view before Puram, where costs of water meters are hein, the dam was constructed; demanded from the allottees; 197 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKAl Wrilfen Answers 198 (b) if so, the reasons therefor when no Instructors working under the control of such condition was put while allotting the Delhi Administration; quarters; (b) whether some percentage of the said (c) whether it is the duty of Goveroment flats are also reserved for any other category to provide quarters to Government servants of staff of the Administration; with all fittings duly installed at the time of allotment; and (c) if so, the details thereof; and (d) the action Government propose to take in this regard? (d) if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.S. B. S. MURTHY): (a) and (b). Water meters MURTHY): (a) and (h). No, Sir. have been fitted at Government cost in 400 quarters in Sector XII of Ramakrishnapuram (c) Does not arise. 'as the Delhi Municipal Corporation made it a Condition precedent to the supply of water (d) 50% of houseS/fiats have been to these quarters. In other quarters in reserved by the Delhi Development Authority Ramakrishnapuram, the Delhi Municipal for allotment to the persons in the salaried Corporation originally arranged to supply class, belonging to the Low and Middle water at flat rates without the provision of Income Groups.. The eligible members of meters but in November 1968 the Corpo- the staff of the Delhi Administration are also ration notified all the allottees of such entitled to the beneHt of this reservation. quarters that they should either provide their own meters or deposit a security of Rs. 75/- with the Corporation for this purpose within Loans Ad.aoced by Financial Institutions a period of six months failing which water supply would be disconnected. 6361. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (c) Yes, Sir, but water meters do not state: form part of such fittings. (a) whether it is a fact that loans have (d) It is the duty of the Local Body to been advanced to private industries from the provide the water meter sand their attention Industrial Finance Corporation, Life Insurance has been drawn to, this fact. Government are Corporation and other financial institutions; however prepared to stand surety for the water meters. (b) if so, the total amount advanced during the last three years; Resenations in D. D. A. Flats For Lecturers/ Teachers/Instructors (c) whether these loans are being paid up by these concerns as per agreements; and 6360. SHRI BEN I SHANKER SHARMA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (d) if not, the steps taken by Govero- FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, ment about their realisation? HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER (a) whether it is fact that the Delhi AND MINISTER OF FINANCE, (SHRI Development Authority has reserved some MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. percentage of prefahricated flats being sold on hire purchase basis for Lecturers/Teachers/ (b) A statement is attached. 199 Wri/len AnsH'ers APRIL 14, 1969 Wrillen Allswers 200 Slalemelll . ------Rs. in crores--- Year Industrial Finance Industrial Development LiCe Total Corporation oC Bank of India (1st July Insurance India (l5t July to to 30th June) Corporation 30th June) oC India (I st April to 31st March) ~ ~~ 2 3 4 5 1965-1966 33.41 34.46 12.65 81.02 1966-1967 14.09 24.42 10.95 49.46 1967-1968 10.86 17.14 2.80 30.80 ~ ~ ~ --. ~ ------Total 58.36 76.52 26.40 161.28 (e) The information is being collected and (b) The increase in the price oC kerosene wUi be laid on the Table of the House. during the last one year has been due to in- creases in the following components of the (d) The institutions themselves proceed price build-up: (i) ocean freight rate, (ii) whar- against the industrial concerns for realisation fage charges and (iii) Central Excise duty. of overdues, if any, in accordance with the terms and conditions of the loans and the (el The basic ceiling selling price ex- provisions of the respective Parliamentary storage point at Bombay of Surperior Kero- Statutes under whfeh institutions are sene was as follows:- established. Date Rs. per K. L. Increased Price of Kerosene Oil 11-8-67 410.89 1-5-68 416.73 6362. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA: 3-3-69 456.27 Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS Payment of Royalty to Bibar be pleased to state: 6363. SHRI SHIVA CHANDA JHA: (a) whether it is a fact that the price oC Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND kerosene oil has increased as compared to CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS the last year; be pleased to state: (b) iC so, the reasons thereCor and the (a) whether it is a fact that Bihar has steps taken by Government in the matter; been given its due royalty on its mines and and minerals it had asked for; (e) if not, the present price of kerosene (b) iC so, the details ~ of; and oil per kilo or bottle vis-a-vis that of the last yacr ? (c) iC not, the reasons thereCor ? THE MINISTER OF StATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE- CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS: MICALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) Yes. (SHRI JAGANATH RAO): (a) to (c). The 201 Written Answers CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Re. C. A. etc. 202 Government of Bihar had asked for an areas, e. g. roads, schools sites, parks and increase in the rates of royalty by at least the like would have to be acquired. 50% in respect of all major minerals. This could not be agreed to in view of the proviso (b) No. to section 9 (3) of the Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) Act, 1957 (c) Ones not arise: which lays down that the Central Government shall not enhance the rate of royalty in res- pect of any mineral so as to exceed twenty 12 hrs. per cent of the sale price of the mineral at the pit's head. Keeping in view the above RE. CALLING ATTENTION, ETC. legal limitation and all other relevant aspects such as the impact of the proposed increase SHRI M. N. REDDY (Nizamabad): in the royalty rates on the export of minerals, Sir, I have tabled a motion for discussing mineral-based industries within the country, the statement of the Prime Minister. It is etc., an average increase of about 10% very important. in the rates of royalty on minerals' was effected with effect from 1-7-1968. Infor- MR. SPEAKER: It may be very impor- mation retating to the revised rates of royalty tant. But you cannot dictate to the chair. and the consequential benefit to Bihar was Please sit doWj1. given in the Lok Sabha on 12-11-1968, in reply to Unstarred Question No. 375. SHRI M. N. REDDY: Sir, it is a burn- ing problem. Acquisition of Buildings in Authorised MR. SPEAKER: You will have to sit Colonies down first. I am on my legs. It is not proper to raise subjects like this whenever 6364. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Will the one chooses, expecting the Speaker to allow Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY it. There must be some order in this House. PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING You cannot simply get up and raise what- AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased ever you feel important. It may be very to state: important to you. But this House consists of 523 members and their points are also (a) whether it is a fact that it has been equally important. The House cannot be decided to acquire buildings in unauthorised dictated to like that. However important colonies; it may be to Shri Narayan Reddy, the House- has also some rights. (b) whether it is a fact that demolition was ruled out years ago considering the SHRI M. N. REDDY: I want a debate tremendous human misery and financial on that statement. suffering such an action would entail; and MR. SPEAKER: It may be important, (c) if so, why Government is reversing but I am not going to allow it. the previous decision ? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU (Diamond THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Harbour): Sir, I have given notice of a MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY calling attention notice. There is a dharllD PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING outside ...... (inlerruplions) AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.S. MURTHY): (a) The residential plots falling MR. SPEAKER : Some hon. Members in the approved portion of the colonies send to me a chit saying that they want to regularised by the Municipal Corporation in raise such and such a point. One hon. the year 1962 would be .xci uded J rom the Member writes to me that two bon. Members purview of Land Acquisition awards, subject are fasting and, therefore, he wants to raise to the payment of development charges and it. Another hon. Member writes that one fulfilment of the conditions prescribed in this bon. Member has been beaten, so he wants regard by the Corporation. However, the to raise it. Some others, even without 203 Papers lAid APRIL 14, 1969 Papers Laid 204 writing, want to raise something which they Science (Amendment) Rules, 1969, Published feel 'important. Should we not follow some in Notification No, S. O. 1108 in Gazette of healthy rules and conventions? Should India daled the 22nd March, 1969 under sub· there not be some order in the House. Or section (3) of section 28 of the All India should every hon, member be allowed to Institute of Medical Sciences Act, 1956. get up and shout and raise what he thinks [Placed in Librar)·, See No. LT-727/69) important and all the other 522 members mu,t put up with it? No, it is not proper, NOTIFICATION UNDER CENTRAL I will not allow it. EXCISE RULES AND CUSTOMS ACT ' SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Sir, I have HIE.. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE given a calling attention notice. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. SETHI) : I beg to lay on the table- MR. SPEAKER : I receive 30 to 40 calling attention notice every day. Can I (I) A copy of Notification No. G. S. R. admit all of them? No. So, I want some 841 Published in Gazette of India order in the House. I would request Shri dated the 22nd March, 1969, issued Jyotirmoy Basu to resume his seat. under the Central Ercise Rules, 1944 together with an explanatory memoran- "~~ (qe;n) :~ dum. [Placed in Library. See No. LT ~, it ~ it; ~ " o T~ -726/69,) ~~ (2) A copy each of the following Noti- MR. SPEAKER: It does not matter. cations under section 159 of the If two Members are fasting, it does not mean Cusloms Act. 1962 :- that the other 520 members should not con- sider any other subject. No, I will not (i) G. S. R, 861 published in Gazette allow it. of India dated the 29th March. 1969 together with an explanatory memo- 12.0 3! bours randum (Hindi version). PAPERS LAID ON .THE TABLE (ii) G. S. R. 862 Published in Gazette of India dated the 29th March, 1969 CoRRECTION OF ANSWER TO STARRED together with an explanatory memo- QUESTION randum (Hindi version), THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND (iii) G. S. R. 863 Published in Gazette AGRICULTURE (SHRI JAGJlVAN RAM): of India dated the 29th March, 1969 I beg to lay on the Table a statement correc- together with an explanatory memo- ting the answer given on the 10th April, randum (Hindi version). 1969 to starred Question No. 1018 by Sarvashri Yajna Datt Sharma and Hardayal (iv) G. S. R. 911 Published in Gazett •• Devgun regarding allegations against the of India dated the 31st March, 1969 son of a Union Minister. [Placed in Library. together with an explanatory memo- See No. LT-725/69) randum. ALL INDIA INSTITUTE OF MEDICAL SCIENCES (AMENDMENT) RULES (v) G. S. R. 912 published in Gazette of India dated the 31st March, 1969 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE together with an explanatory memo- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY randum. PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. S. (vi) G. S. R, 918 published in Gazette CHANDRASEKHAR) : On behalf of of India dated the 1st April, 1969 Shri K. K. Shah I beg to lay 'On the Table together with an explanatory memo- a copy of the All India Institute of Medical randum. 205 Cement Industry (St.) CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Cement Industry (St.) 206 (vii) G. S. R. 924 (English version) and AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI FAKH- G. S. R. 925 (Hindi version) publi- RUDDIN ALI AHMED) : I beg to lay on shed in Gazette of India dated the the Table a statement regarding certain 7th April, 1969 together with an decisions taken by the Government relating explanatory memorandum. to the cement industry. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 728/69.) Stalement NOTIFICATIONS UNDER ALL INDIA SERVICES ACT AND UPSC (EXEMPTION fROM CONSULTATION) SUPPLEMEN- The price and distribution of cement bas TARY REGULATIONS been under control in one form or another, for- mal or informal, since 1942. In August 1965, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the then Prime Mioister stated in Parliament MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND that the Government of India had decided, in POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) principle, that cement should be decontrolled On behalf of Shri Vidya Charan Shukla I except for the quantity which was needed by beg to lay on the table :- Government. Formal control on the price and distribution of cement was accordingly (I) A copy each of the following Notifi- lifted with effect from 1st January, 1966. cations under sub-section (2) of section 3 of the All India Sevices Act, 2. With a view, however, to ensuring a 1951 :- smooth transition from a long period of (i) The Indian Administrative Service control to decontrol, the industry accepted a (Regulation of Seniority) Amend- form of self-regulating informal control and ment Rules, 1969, published in set up a central organisation, called the Cen- Notification No. G. S. R. 856 in tral Allocation and Coordinating Organisation Gazette of India dated the 29th (CACO), to regulate the distribution of cement March, 1969. and maintain a uniform f. o. r. price as approved by Government from time to time. (ii) The Indian Police Service (Regula- Towards the end of 1967, the Government tion of Seniority) Amendment Rules, observed that the functioning of Central 1969, published in Notification No. Allocation and Co\!rdinating Organisation G. S. R. 857 in Gazette of India was unsatisfactory and it was therefore consi- dated the 29th March, 1969. dered necessary to substitute a Government _ [Placed in Library. See No. LT-729/ controlled agency to be incharge of disbtribu- 69.) tion. The Cement Control Order 1967, (2) A copy of the Union Public Service reimposing control over price and distribution Commission (Exemption from Con- was promulgated with effect from the 1st sultation) Supplementary Regulations January, 1968. In terms of this Order, the 1969 published in Notification No. functions of the erstWhile Central Organisa- G. S. R .. 855 in Gazette of India tion were taken over by an officer of the dated the 29 March 1969. under Government designated as Cement Control- clause (5) of Article 320 of the Con- ler. stitution together with an explanatory Note. [Placed in Library. See No. 3. It bas been urged tbat the concept of LT-730,'69.) freight equalisation and uniform selling price is to some extent responsible for the regional imbalance in the location and development of 1l.O 5! hours. the industry. It bas also been urged that the continuation of the arrangements of STATEMENT RE. CERTAIN DECISION freight pooling will only accentuate this prob- TAKEN RELATING TO CEMENT lem and that these arrangements should INDUSTRY therefore be abolished and prices allowed to THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL adjust themselves in conformity with actual DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE cost of production. 207 ~m~ Industry (SI.) APRIL 14, 1969 Personal Explanation 208 [Shrl Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed] in 1961 in view of the then existing wide 4. Without going into the merits or disparity in costs of production, Government demerits of these arrangements, it may be stated was however of the view that there should be that they were necessary for a period of time in a uniform price for the industry so that the special circumstances that were obtaining greater pressure is exercised on units having in this regard, to ensure the availability of higher costs to find economies and there is a cement at a reasonable price throughout the measure of reward for those units able to country and a continuous supply of cement achieve economies. Government, however, to the deficit areas so that development had to recol!llise that in the case of those few schemes there may not suffer. It was not units t'lijrving appreciably higher costs on intended that these arrangements should be account of special reasons, an extra price had continued indefinitely for their own sake. to be allowed, for a period of time, to enable Keeping in view the fact that the Govern- the units to continue in production till by . ment have accepted the policy of progressive reaching economic levels they ,.ere able to decontrol in principle and that the system of operate within the uniform price. In the F. O. R. price and equalised freight arrange- light of the discussions held with the industry ment have more or less served the purpose from time to time and keeping in view that for which they were intended, it is felt that the industry itself generally is in favour of a these should be discqntinued after a period uniform price, it has been decided to fix a of time within which the industry might ceiling of Rs. 100 per tonne exworks with adjust itself to the new situation. Whis this effect from 16th April, 1969, except in the end in view it has also been decided that the cases of Assam Cements, (Cherapunji), J&K additional capacity to be set up in the public Minerals, (Wuyan) and Travancore Cements, sector by the Cement Corporation of India (Kottayam) which are sub standard units and should henceforth by only in the deficit areas. in whose cases price will have to be fixed As the supply position of cement is at present separately taking into account their special comparatively easy and is expected to be so circumstances. This will be effective upto for the next few years, this would seem to be 31st December 1969 upto which date the pre- the opportune time to decontrol the industry. sent f. o. r. price equalised freight arrange- Having regard to these considerations, it has ment etc. will be in force. been decided to discontinue the existing arrangements and remove. all control over 12.06 brs. price and distribution of cement with effect from 1st January, 1970. In the meantime PERSONAL EXPLANATION BY the industry will have an opportunity to plan MEMBER for production of cement in the deficit areas. Shri J.B. Kriplani S. The present retention prices or ex- works prices paid to the producers are based SHRI J.B. KRIPALANI (Guna): Mr. on the recommendations of the Tariff Speaker, I want to say something about the Commission in 1961 together with the part that I had played on Friday last. When subsequent increases given to the industry the Home Minister made his statement, Shri from time to time due to increases in cost of Dange got up and was not allowed to speak production as a result of Governmental on account of the shouting from the Congress actions. The industry has been pressing for Benches. some time for an upward revision of the retention prices due to increase in cost of SHR1 D.N. TIWARY (Gopalganj): Not production as a result of Governmental only the Congress Banches. actions since 1st January, 1966. The claims of the industry have been considered in SHRI J.B. KRIPALANI : You asked consultation with the authorities concerned Shri Dange to sit down in order to restore and it is felt that these are justified on account order in the Chamber. I then got up several of the increase in the pithead price of coal, times but I could not catch your benevolent, rail freight, electricity tariff, and the second and all-pervasive eye. I was obliged, there- Wage Board Award. Although the Tariff fore, to take a couple of steps and say the Commission did not find it' feasible to two sentences that I had to say but I find recommend a uniform price for the industry that perhaps in the din that was prevailing in 209 D. G. (Deptl. CHAITRA 24, IS91 (SAKA) Social Welfare) 210 the House the press did not properly catch Shrimati Sudha Reddy was speaking those two sentences. Some of the Members that day. She may continue her speech. of the House also might not have caught them. I say this because one paper has written that SHRI S. M. BANERIEE (Kanpur); Sir, I shouted at Shri Danse. Even Shri Dange that bulky report has been circulated to us would not say that or his companions would only three or four days ago; so, some' more not say that I shouted at their leader. What time should be allowed. I said was this. I said: SHRI M. N. REDDY (Nizamabad): Sir, .. I want to know whether we have some you must fix some time for debate on that rights or not." statement.· Then you kindly said:- MR. SPEAKER: You cannot ask me that. I am not going to answer a question on the floor of the House. There is some " Yes, you have a right. It procedure. Then I said; SHRIMATI SUDHA V. REDDY (Madhugiri): Mr. Speaker, I have welcomed .. Then you must regulate them ; you the registration of the Central Social Welfare must regulate all. We want to hear Board under section 25 of the Companies everybody. It is a fact that the home Act but I would like it to be ensured that Minister's speech was not heard by us. the Central Social Welfare Board, as a We want to hear Shri Daoge also. We company, secures the effective participation of can do this only when they are silent." the State Governments in whose territory it works. I would also like to plead that the This is what I said. I wanted do correct tentacles of this octopus of the Company the impression. Law do not strangulate small welfare insti- tutions which are situated in the countryside. MR. SPEAKER: That day was unfortu- nate but I do not think we should remember SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch- that. To day at 4 o'clock we are having a Behar): That is not a correct statement that discussion on that and I am sure, each party the hon. lady Member is making here: will help me in restoring order. After all, every hon. Memher has a right. But when MR. SPEAKER: If it is not a correct there is no order in the House, when Shri statement, there is no point of order involved Dange is standing and others are shouting, in that. Everybody has a risht to make a what is the use of Kripalaniji catching my statement. eye? It is not as though everybody was silent and he was not allowed to speak. Every SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: Are body was shouting ; Shri Dange was on his we to be here to hear incorrect statements? legs ; so, catching my eye was as good as not catching it. MR. SPEAKER: Order, order; there is no point of order. 12.08 brs. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: Some of the States have seriously objected to this DEMANDS FOR GRANTS-Contd. proposal and even, after that, they have seriously rejected that. As for example, DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WBLFARE-Contd. West Bengal is one of the States. MR. SPEAKER: The House will now MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of resume consideration of the Demands of the order in that. Department of Social Welfare. We have taken 15 to 20 minutes already on that day SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHUR Y: Let and we have only two hours today; so, them then tum the whole cabinet into a these Demands will go to tomorrow also. limited company. 211 D. G. (Deplt. APRIL 14, 1969 Social Wei/are) 212 MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. social welfare is not one of the obligatory functions of the panchayat law they should SHRIMATI SUDHA V. REDDY: That be in-charge of this programme? Further, participation should be secured and, I think, it is very difficult for women to merely the tentacles of the Company Law should work as functional vice-chairmen. After not make it very difficult for rural institutions. all, a vice-chairman is only a vice! who can One must also remember, as regards the preside in the absence of the chairman. volunteer workers associated with the Board, well, their ages range between sweet seventeen One must also remember that party and faltering seventy. It is presumed only politiCS,llas percolated and vitiated the vaitl the social workers falter at seventy. organs of local-self government. I think, our villages are more sick with politics then AN HON. MEMBER: What about the with malaria-which we have successfully Ministers? banished today. If this be tbe case, whly not allow non-aligned, un-aligned, women to SHRIMATI SUDHA V. REDDY: But run their business. still one must think of these largely elastic pattern that the Board has enjoyed so far. 12.lS bro. One must also give some thought to security being bestowed on the staff who are very [MR. DEPUTy-SPEAKER in the Chair]. apprehensive about their future. In the past, opinion has been sought right from the Then I would like to speak about our Attorney-General downwards, and they have agreement with the UNICEF. The UNICEF found that the Social Welfare Board has has given 1,93,000 dollars by way of supply been hitherto a limb of Government. In of equipment and for various training pro- fact, in the case of an accident to a jeep in grammes. This equipment is ordered under Mysore State, the Ministry has addressed global tender and consists of such sophistica- the Mysore State Social Welfare Board saying ted items that even the most aristocratic or that the case should have been filed against housewives in New Delhi would be wanting the Union Government. Well, naturally, to possess them. If this is the case, why the staff thought that they would have the not we recall that, after all, all that a poor security of service as a limb of Government rural girl wishes to prepare in her home is and, I feel, this security shOUld be preserved. perhaps a little wheat or jowar or rice or one other thing and certainly not casata The next point that I would like to touch and soup. upon is that I am very happy the Central Social Welfare Board has now started concentrating on the family as a unit and has On the question of supplying scooters to introduced the new programme of "Family the Mukhyasevikas to run on errands with, and Cbid Welfare". But there are many I shall not comment further excepting that asPects of this programme which perhaps I am sure all the hon. and good members need a bit of strengthening and alterations. of this House will not comment on whom One is that at the field level, the whole she should take on the pillion. programme has been put in-charge of the Taluk Board Cbairman or Panchayat Samiti I am glad that, out of Rs. 44.46 crores, Chairman. Now, this means that the Ministry nearly 26 crores have been earmarked for perhaps thinks that panchayat samiti child welfare, the rest being for women's chairmen are omnicient, omnipresent and welfare of non-student youth, welfare of omnipotent. Well, I would beg to disagree. handicapped, social defence training and Panchayats may be all right to handle subjects research programmes, etc. After all, child like relief works, horticulture, silviculture, welfare is the pivot of all welfare schemes. sericulture, agriculture and piscieulture but Child is the father of man, but we must if we think that they can handle femi-culture also remember that woman is the mother of and pediatriculture also equally well, I am the father of man. It is this facet which afraid we are jolly-well mist8ken. Why has been bighlighted in tbe report of the should we assume that even in States where Committee on Cbildren's programmes 213 D. G. ~pl . CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SA ((A) Social Welfare) 214 presided over by Shri Ganga Saran Sinha. with more blossoms and fruits than we For the first time, an effort has been made deserve. to examine the total requirements ...... The last point I would like to make is MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am sorry a plea for the handicapped. Nearly 2 to to disturb the han. lady Member. She has S % of our population are handicapped apart taken more than 20 minutes ... from the handicapped in other spheres. Special officers have been appointed and AN HON. MEMBER: Allow her a few employment exchanges have been brought in. But what has been done is that sympa- more minutes, Sir. thy for the handicapped has not been properly evoked. The NDC seems to have MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Her speech passed a resolution that the whole question of is quite interesting. She may try to con- handicapped should be placed in the State clude. sector. May I plead that the Centre must pilot schemes where there are DOne in the SHRIMATI SUDHA V, REDDY: For States, schemes for partially blind, partially the first time, an effort has been made' to deaf and partially letarded like many of os examine the total requirements of the child (interruplions) also workshop for the handi- in an integrated and comprehensive manner, capped should be sponsored by the centre. making a detailed examination of the aspects The States should give capita grants for the of major child welfare services in the country, handicapped. including' health, nutrition, education and other welfare programmes. The whole of I also plead that there should be one this report is under the examination of the district level institution for the handicapped. Ministry, and I hope it will emerge from the I also want one district level institution for golden closet' Adopted'. destitute children of whom there are nearly lot lakhs in this country. There should be It has also come to the conclusion that better facilities for tribal children who are a conjoint effort on the part of the volun- in the Tribal BlOcks. tary sector and the governmental sector is essential for smooth promotion of pro- grammes in the country. In a country of Also the question of old age pension, in limited population, where tho economy is SOme States is simply a farce. ? For instance it is given to people over 70 years knowing geared high and where basic socio-cconomic that the average life expectancy of an Indian maladjustment still chara.:terises the plight of about 20 per cent of the people, the is well below 40. Pensions should not be planned for those who are in their grave. concentration is not so much on further extension of non-professional service as it is on making professionally trained people Prison welfare schemes should assume available for tackling the hard core of society's Gladstonian complexions rather than Du problems. Such CaDnot, of course, be the Canaian since we are still labouring under the case where perceptages are largely reversed. ancient British patterns. Socioeconomic prog- Where 20 per cent of the population are io rammes which were recently discontinued by acceptable socio-economic circumstances and the Social Welfare Board should be brought the others are not, tbe availability of an in again. It is learnt tbat they suffered some adequate corps of non-professional, both losses. May I ask whetber only our public volunteer and employed personnel, becomes undertakings are entitled to make losses and a sine qua non. Our country, it is estimated, none else? Certain enactments including SIT requires about 7 lakhs of women workers. and children Act shOUld be re-<:xamined and Where are the schools of social welfare to suitably amended. train so many workers ? We all have to learn by the trial-and-<:rror method, We Lastly "it is said that Gladstone could must also remember that we have sown persuade most peoplo of most things and very little by way of seeds of leadership in himself of anything and yet, there were times the last few years, but I trust that nature when he will not persuade himself of any- will be more bountiful and it will bless us thing." 21S D. G. (Dep/l. APRIL 14, 1969 Social Welfare) 216 [Shrimati Sudha V. Reddy] ~;i f.m ~ ~ ~ f~, I hope I have been able to persuade Shri ammr, mma T~f~ it ~ Govinda Menon who is not here to-day and also Shrimati Phulrenu Guha to adopt some ~~~ of the measures that I have pleaded for. 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Thakur] the wake of the 1967 reorganisation. The Welfare. Here is the department which has office of the Commissioner was being gradu- been made responsible for the welfare of the ally converted into a spring board for politi- Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, but cal and official patronage. It is no \lie it has miserably failed to discharge that telling the story which is so well-known to responsibility. I have already given notices of everybody now. In appointing the present a number of cut motions in disapproval of its ommi~io the Government has played a policy regarding Scheduled Castes and fraud on the Constitution. Here is a person Scheduled Tribes. In view of the time limit, who is a retired Government official like however, I would restrict myself to only one his predecessor, Shri Sengupta. It is signi- or two specific points. ficant to know why the Government was not My very first point is about the Office of inclined to extend the service of Shri Sengupta the Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and beyond the first year of his working. Scheduled Tribes. In spite of the operation of Because of his practical experience in this the Constitution for the last 20 years this very Department, Shri Sengupta could Government has totally failed to set up a disclose many bitter truths in his report and right kind of the Commissioner's Organisation that obviously annoyed the Government. in accordance with the intention and objective They wanted somebody else who could fit in of the Constitution. Provision was made for their design. The present Commissioner this •Administrative Machinery' with the Shri Bose was the obvious choice because of definite purpose of safeguarding the rights of his background. He was the man who, Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, but while still in Government service, publicly this Government was not really interested in decried in 1964 the Constitution-makers for such an effective organisation. That is why making the special provisions for Scheduled even the status, powers and functions of the Castes and Scheduled Tribes. A demand Commissioner have not yet been clearly was made in this very House for action defined and codified. It has been a deliberate against him. But not only no action was policy of this Government to keep everything taken against him, but this very person who vague in this regard, so that there would be does not believe in the Constitutional pro- ample scope for manipUlation, nay, mischief. visions for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes was appointed the Commissioner to The first Commissioner himself raised look after the welfare of these people accor- this issue pointedly and whenever the ques- ding to those Constitutional provisions. Is it tion carne up in Parliament, Government not an act of sheer dishonesty and malevolent was giving different versions and was shift- intention on the part of this Government ? ing grounds every time. We again raised our voice against the appointment of this person and the A general excuse has been that every- Minister concerned and the Government thing is provided in the Constitution. But were fully aware of our resentment in the it is a matter of sheer commonsense that the matter. The appointment was given for administrative details of the powers and one year in the first instance, and thus there functions of the statutory office of the Com- was an opportunity for the Government to missioner cannot be given in the Constitu- rectify the position. But it was either out of tion. It was just to hoodwink the con- sheer vindictiveness or as part of a deliberate cerned people that the position was kept design that the Government reappointed him fluid under some excuse or the other, and for a term of another two years. A sizeable to keep some office as a mere showpiece. number of hon. Members of Parliament The real intention of the Government became personally met the Prime Minister and sub- crystal clear in the so-<:alled reorganisation mitted a detailed memorandum containing of the Commissioner's office in 1967. Imme- various points against this Commissioner and diately after this action, some of us gave a asking for his removal from that office. A detailed memorandum aga,inst the Govern- copy of that Memorandum was laid on the ment policy and measures' in this regard. Table of this House on 5th December, But that did not bring any sanity to this 1968. The hon. Minister promised to look Government. The evil intention of tbe into it. Government was further confirmed in the appointment of the present Commissioner in In answer to a subsequent question it was 233 D. G. (Depll. CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Social Welfare) 234 stated by Government that the matter was MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on further discussed with the Members concerned record of what they say. Please do not put and their views were communicated to the me in an embarrassing position. You Commissioner. But now it has been revealed approach the Speaker. Shri Thakur may that actually no discussion on the Memorandum commence his speech. was held with the members concerned. Out of 27 si a o i~s to the Memorandum, only SHRI P. R. THAKUR: Mr. Chairman, I two casually referred to the views expressed want a specific answer from the concerned by the Commissioner at the Srinagar Con- Minister as to what he has done to the ferenee on National Integration during the Memorandum against the present Commis- course of a meeting of the Informal Consul- sioner. There are specific points in the tative Committee of this Department, and Memorandum and they must be answered in only a copy of the summary record of that a direct way. Let the Government deny the meeting was forwarded to the Commissioner facts stated in the Memorandum and justify in the normal official course. It is now the reappointment of the present Commis- stated that no further action is called for sioner. It is no use telling us that the in the matter. Is it not a sheer trick on the Government is guided by the Constitutional Members of Parliament on a very serious provisions and the Commissioner may have issue affecting the life of nearly one-fourth his individual opinion. If the Commissioner of the country's population? is an honourable Person, let him be first free from the statutory responsibility of his office MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. and exercise his fundamental right of indi- Member may continue his speech when we vidual opinion. The Government cannot play meet again after lunch. a double standard in this regard. They must act and remove the present Commis- 13 hours. sioner. It is far better to wind up the Commissioner's office than to keep the show The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch of such a functionary with patently anti- till Fourteen of the Clock. constitutional ideaS. He is more of a politi- cal anthropologist than a social anthropolo- gist. The Lok Sabha re-assembled after Lunch at It is not only a question of appointing a five past Fourteen 0/ the Clock right kind of person to the high office of the Commissioner but also a thorough re-organisa- [SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD in the Chair. tion of the set-up of his organisation. Earlier also we made specific suggestions to this DEMANDS FOR GRANTS-Contd. effect, but there was no action. It is under- stood that the latest report of the Committee DEPARTM2NT OF SOCIAL WELFARE. on Untouchability has also dealt with this Contd. question of re-organisation of the offiee of the Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri P. R. Thakur. Scheduled Tribes. I urge upon the Govern- ment to consider this question very carefully SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: (Diamond and dispassionately and rectify their mistake Harbour) . •• in the set-up introduced in 1967. SHRI SHEO NARAIN (Basti) . •• My second point is about the set-up of the Department of Social Welfare itself. The MR. CHAIRMAN: The Speaker has high-handed and hostile attitude of the high already given a ruling that at 2 o'clock there officials of this Department towards the is no Zero Hour; therefore, I am not going to Committee on Untouchahility is a testimony allow anything. of the kind of welfare that is being rendered to the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: •• through the official set-up of this Department. •• Not recorded. 235 D. G. (Deptl. APRIL 14, 1969 Social Welfare) 236 [Shri P.R. Thakur] time that the Government changes its attitude There has been a lot of startling disclosures and immediately create a separate Ministry about the attitude and activities of the present for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes with a Cabinet Minister for full coordination Director General of Backward Classes. It is understood that this official had a big hand and concerted action on a war-footing. in the downgrading of the office of the Lastly, in regard to the recent statements Commissioner of Scheduled Castes and of Sankaracharya of Puri, Shri Golwalkar Scheduled Tribes through the 1967 re- and Karpartri about the practice of organisation. It is for the Government to shi'i.,. untouchability, I would only say that it is no look into the facts in this regard. The recent use simply condemning such genetically role of the same official in regard to the work diseased persons. The best course for the of the Committee on Untouchability has also Government would be to organise some been highly objectionable and even Pinjrapoles and send all such people there dangerous. for long-term treatment. Some of his other associates in the Department also have been playing a dubious lTm~ ~) ~ game for quite so";e time. Seeing these mrnfff ~~, if a 1~ ~ W things, we sometimes wonder why and how t all such officials have been selected and f'F arnr ~ ~ ~ on: mr.t 't>T brought to this Department. Is it for the arr '1UR: i Tlf~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ # ll;'I> f~ ~;; T ~aT~llff~ # ~ 25 ~ f~ ~ ~ am ;a'1J ~ 'fiT SHRI SHBO NARAIN: Why are you 'fife 'ffl'rn 'Ql: lflIT I This is the attitude of not prosecuting them in Bengal ? Do it there; the high class people of this country. I was you are in Government there. born in British West Indies. if ~T ~ eft f lf~ ~, if ~ f " am:: 3fTIIT ~ I ~ T;; T ~ ~ 'l>0T'ml:aT ~ f'f; if iro ~ f ~ ~ ~ rn ~ cit 3frn1It ¥ffi'f ;rif ~ ~~, ~ Of ~ ~i , an;;r mitt SHR} MANOHARAN (Madras North): Mr. Chairman, already encomiums have flf'lr if ~ f.f; ~ SHR! JYOTIRMOY BASU: We are "Untouchability" i. abolished and its always with them. We arc treating the tribal. practice in any form is forbidden. The and backward classes as our people. enforcement of any disability arising out of "untouchability" shall be an offence punishable in accordance with lli m.~:i ~ ~ ~ law." ~ f.f; ~ lifm, ~ t am: w.t The law is very clear and Shankaracharya '!iT1filW'T en I. ~ if ri'if'f ~ ~ ~ has expressed the deep-rooted feelings of 1919 otT ~ it f.f; lifm, ~, w.t certain sections of our society which has been here for the past so many years. '!iT II'm en 1~ f'iffil'fcr ~ am: ~ it ~ ~ it 'fi"Tli 'fi"m 1 1947 it You know, Sir, there were times when a f. ~o T f l ~~~~ if the Harijans wanted to recite any Vedas or slogans or something of that kind, their ¥T ~ ~ ~, q"Ift iITfWr ~f~ tongues were chopped of; if they wanted to ~~f~~1 if~ f fi"f~ recite Mantras, the buming-oil was poured into their cars. That was the type of If(f ~ 'fi""U I ~ it ~ ~ ""em cruelty from which this country suffered t f'fi" lfil: ~ 'fi"R ~ ~ f.f; ~ for the past so many decades. o T~~i ~ f T~ ~ But now, altogether new forces have an;;r W ~ 'fOT Cf9iTm: f~~ ~ 1 come into play, the awakening society, the it W ~ ~ an;;r arfu;r ~ f.f; ~ progressive and the revolutionary forces t which are on the surface of the country m ~ WlJ!'fi"'!iT ~ ~~ today. ~ Utilising this opportunity, let me tell Puri Shankaracharya and his company that ~ ~i ; ~ ~ >;ft mm:r this country will not tolerate such kinds of ~o T ~ fil: ~i f~ am: non-sensica1 utterances. Personally speaking, as a DMK party people, we know, we had ;f ~~~~ ~ ~~, our honoured job of educating the masses ~T~a m ~~ 1 of our country against practising untouchability 243 D. G. (Deptt. APRIL 14, 1969 Social Welfare) 244 [Shri Manoharan] Sir, I am now reminded of a poem given as much as possible in our lives and to see to this country by Mohammad Iqbal. He how people could adjust with the present said: situation and creating conditions wherein all people belong to one and only caste, "Go and awaken the poor and dis- that is, humanity or mankind. possess of this Universe; And sllllke the walls of the richmen's The caste hindus, with their tongues in palaces t6 their foundations; their cheeks, thought that parties like the DMK and the DK were responsible for Let the frail sparrow hurt it self creating the situation of chaos in the country. against -the eagle; But, thanks to our perseverance we have been able to succeed in wiping out untoucha- Let the fervour of self-confidence warm bility from that part of OUT country. But up the blood of slaves. now, I am ashamed to see this thing. Here comes a man with his battalion, who thinks The day of the Sovereignty of the that untouchability must stay. masses is approaching fast. Sir, untouchability is a blot on the social Demolish the old relics wherever you fabric of our country. Yesterday, while find them." broadcasting through the All-India Radio, the Prime Minister has stated about this. I want to tell to all these people who Speaking of Social injustices that still exist are believing in untouchability, caste and in India, the Prime Minister said: all that, to read what is written on the walls. "Some rcocnt statements have once again brought to light the prejudices The people of our country want to which seem to be deeply rooted in create a new society altogether, devoid of many or our people. ,There is no caste .in our social structure. No individual doubt in my mind that it is as impor- should be decided, no individual should be tant and urgent to fight these out- judged, on the basis of the colour or the moded, unscientific and utterly false caste of that individual; but each and every prejudices, as it is to fight vested individual of this country should be judged interests in the economic sphere. For, by the contents of his character. Unless it is obvious that these attitudes are this is approved by society, I doubt very being encouraged to protect other much whether we could pull on. So, let vested interests which are just as firmly US all take a vow. entrenched. This sort of talk of practising untoucha- Discrimination and inequality, whether bility and creating belief in untouchability economic or social, rob freedom of is a blot, as 1 have already stated. We meaning and eroded the very base of must put a stop to that. 1 am very happy national unity. From the sacrifices of to note that the House is one with us. The countless millions had grown the tree entire Members of Parliament arc already of freedom. It is yet to flower fully condemning Puri Sankaracharya. Despite and to bear fruit". our mounting attack, Sankaracharya issued a statement the next day which complicated This is the exact time when Puri the whole thing. He said: "I believe in Shankaracbarya intervened to demolish the untouchability and 1 believe i;' Shastras". whole fabric of society. What action is Thirdly, he has gone to the extent of saying going to be taken by the Government of that just as the Vice President canoot perform India is not our concern. ~ , I want to the functions of the President, the Sudras suggest one thing to Puri Shankaracbarya canoot hope to become Brahmins. So far and his people. Let them not fail to read I thought that Sankaracharya was a fool what is writteen on the walls very visibly. only in religion. But now I have no hesita- 245 D. G. (Deptt. CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Social Welfare) 246 tion to say that he is equally a fool in draw the attention of the Minister is regar- politics too because the Vice President can ding the Central Social Welfare Board and becom the President of the country and he its conversion into a company. My attention can perform the functions of the President. has been drawn by certain employees of the But here he thought it fit to say that Board to a circular issued on 1st April 1969 Sudras cannot become Brahmins. saying that Government of India haveintima- ted that the Central Social Welfare Board will Sir, in the name of religion, in the name function as a company registered under Sec. of caste and in the name of community, we 25 of the Companies Act., 1956, with ell'ect have shed much blood in the past so many from 1st April, 1969 and the existing stall' of years. Hereafter we are not in a position to the Board will be brought on to the establish- shed blood in the name of religion, in the ment of Central Social Welfare Board name of caste and in the name of Company with ell'ect from 1st April, 1969 and community. The old slogans .like that the legitimate interests of stall' in service untouchability, unapproachability and matters will be safeguarded by the Board unseeability ought to be wiped out from which will be framing its own rules and this country in 1010, lock, stock and barrel. regUlations. Much confusion has already We must root them out. In case we feel- been created as to whether it is to be conve- let me go to that extent-that rted into a statutory board or whether it is religion stands in the way or Shaslras stand to be a company. That has been engaging in the way or Manu Dharmas stand in the the attention of the Education Ministry and way and that is why untouchability stays, ultimately they have come to this decision. then I have no hesitation in teIling this I only want to ask about the employees. House-let the entire religion go to hell. They are afraid as to what will be their Mankind and human beings-dignity of position-whether they will be treated as mankind and dignity of human beings- Government employ_ or as employees must be accepted by all religions. I must of the company. In case they are treated as interpret like this. emplyees of the company, are they entitled to all the facilities that they have been Sir, I do not think that Puri Sankara- enjoying as Government employees in the charya is delivering goods for the people in past ? The conversion of the Board into a this country. What action does Government company does not speak anything about it. propose to take against him? Some people said that he must be flogged in the open I want to draw the attention of the street. Others said that he must be whipped Minister in this regard and I request him to in the open street. Snme others said that he please go into this matter and the misgivings must be put behind bars. I can say one or misunderstandings or apprehensions in thing as to what will happen to him if the minds of the employees who are associa- Puri Sankaracharya comes to Tamil Nadu. ting with the Board must be removed in 1010 In all humility I will say that at the airport- completely. if he travels by plane-or at the railway junction-if he kavels by train-he will be arrested and put behind bars. Once again I request him to consider this case. Yesterday I had a talk with him It is nothing but sheer nonsense on the and he was very sympathetic. It seems that part of individuals, especially in the era of the employees also met our Law Minister s i ~, to speak that untouchability must who has also told them that he would do stay. So Sir, I would request the Han. the needful. The Madras Government Minister, Shri Menon who is capable of have already decided to place the services dealing with the situation, to take note of of these employees of this Ministry with this and say what action he could possibly this firm and certain others are already take. Let me advise the Government that abolishing the Social Welfare Board and this kind of utterences are allowed to go unless prompt action is taken, the employees unchecked, it will open the floodgates of may lose their confidence in the Government revolution all over the country. and the Government's prime duty is to see that this fear-unfounded or founded-must The second point to which I want to be removed from the minds of the people. 247 D. (]. (Deptt. APRIL J4, J 969 Soc/al Wei/are) 248 ~ ~o "0 " ~ " . ( ~ ) : ;;jm;r 'f>T1fiT1<: ~ ooff t ~l fliI '" I {l ~ ~~,i ~~f ; ~ ~ ~ ~Ti ~~m ;rioff 'liT ~ ~ ~ lJT't it it ~ 'fiTfun" !!iTWf if ~ fif>4T ~ I 'liT 6lWf a f~ ;;r;reT '!it 0IrN'f> ~ muroli ~aif ~ 0In: ~ 'Ii i!iT ~ ~ ~ ;rttif i!iT ~ ~ This Paschim Bengal Samaj Seva Samiti has also lending business. It has lent to SHRI lYOTIRMOY BASU (Diamond Basumilli, a paper, one lakb of rupees and Harbour): Sir, before I go into details also to another institution called the Metro- I would like to say that, since the traditionai politan Credit Cooperation of which the financiers of the Congress have diverted a same gentleman is the Chairman, an amount part of their funds to Swatantra, etc., they of Rs. 2 lakhs, Basumati has been beating have fallen back on the social welfare racket, the Congress drum as its mouthpiece more apart from the Cooperatives. This has be- than anybody else. There is another organi- come a channel for infiltration of foreign sation known as the National Publicity Forum money, foreign vicious money, and it will which claims to have raised funds to the prove one day that this foreign money will tune of Rs. 7 lakhs. They wanted to stop be poison for us. This money is being used the growth of Communism in this country. for actions of subversion. It is not a registered society. Neither it has any Bank Account. No money has been received through cheques. You can very SHRI VIKRAM CHAND MAHAJAN well understand the position. (Chamba) : Which foreign money--Chinese or Russian? There is also a case against the District SHRI lYOTIRMOY BASU : I will come Congress Committee Secretary, Shri Hans- to that. I am quoting a recent case to show wadhara, in o ~ io with selling of powder how the money earmarked for the welfare milk worth a lakh of rupees. The police of the people has been diverted for political case is still pending. I would like to know purposes. When an appeal was made for when this man is going to be put behind the the North Bengal Relief Fund, a total of bars. I don't want to talk about Bharat Rs. 37 lakhs came forth from the people. What Sewak Samaj here as everybody knows about did Mr. Dharm Vira, the Governor of West it and what it has been doing. There are Bengal, do with that money ? He had plenty of laws, but very little effect of the transferred that· money to his personal bene- laws is felt. In Gujarat, electricity conne- volent fund and he was the sole operator of ction has been denied to B person just that fund. He could give that money to becasuse he is an Adivasi, just because he is anybody he had chosen to. What did he do coming from the backward class. with the money? A sum of Rs. 1 lakh and 30 thousand was given to Shri P. C. Sen Sir, I will now go to the pronouncements the former Congress Chief Minister just of certain leaders. Much has been said before the Elections under the pretext of about the Sankaracharya of Puri and I would relief work. Similary, another amount of treat him with the contempt that he deserves. Rs. 11 ,000 was given to Shrirnati Renuka I only want to know from the Government Ray, another Congress lady who had been why is it that he bas not been prosecuted so running' some sort of a relief organisation. far and put behind the bars to safeguard the There are a lot of complain!s against the interests of the people who are already Paschim Bengal Samaj Seva Samiti of which oppressed. the former Law Minister is the Chairman. I would like Mr. Menon to give a categorical There is another gentleman-my hon. reply if he has any information about this friends to my right may not like this refer- organisation in his records. Only the other erce to him, but they will forgive me-the day, a huge quantity of powder milk, which RSS boss, Shri Golwalkar, who said in an was marked as unfit for consumption, worth interview to a Marathi, daily that eMtu,- about a crore of rupees was handed over to varna, the caste system, was God's creation that organisation. What has happened to based on poo,va karma, deeds in previous that milk? What has happened to the sale birth. These remarks created B controversy. 251 D.G. ~pll. APRIL 14, 1969 Social lfa ~) 252 [Shri Jyotirmoy Basu] Governments and stop this kind of mischief I ask, why are these people given the they have been doing. freedom to spread such poison? Yet we hear sermons from the Treasury Benches and we The Untouchability (Offences) Act is a are expected to say good things about their dead letter. I would like to have from the budget and their activities. Minister a categorical statement giving the figures of th_Wosecutions they have launched As regards Harijan friends, I will show so far against violation of the Act and the what has been done. Giving figures of number of convictions secured. scheduled caste employees, Shri Elayaperumal said tbat as against 12.5 per cent reservation, The report of Shri Elayaperumal, a mem- the Scheduled Castes got only 1.19 per cent ber of the Congress Party, a former MP and (Class I posts), 2.1 per cent (Class II posts), member of this House, is damning enough for 7.4 per cent (Class lll) and 10.4 per cent Government have to say what they have done (Class IV). This shows that all the talk with that report and what has been done to about having the full quota of employment atone for the past failures, mischiefs and to the scheduled castes is bluff; they have misdeeds in this regard. been bluffing their way to catch the votes of the people for the last 20 years. In return for the votes, they have given nothing at all. Then for doing good work for the back- ward classes ,Harijans, tribals and adivasis, To keep the channel of finance for the whom have they engaged ? White-collar Congress flowing to keep it alive, knowing Men! Can they not have people from that certain States will have to be written among these communities for doing this off the Congress books of account in 1972, work? No, they must have big brothers they have taken a new step by converting the trying to do good to them ! Social Welfare Board into a limited company. I have never heard of a thing like this. The Harijans, the Tribals and the Back- Imagine the.iudiciary or the cl.lstoms depart- ward Class people are mostly landless pea- ment being converted into a public limited sants. company. Can you imagine the lengths to which they have gone to preserve the throne 14.50 hrs. for themselves ? What are the facts? This clearly impin- [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair.] ges on the States' sphere of activity which the State Governments will not allow. The The landlords come from upper strata. articles and memorandum of association Unless there is fair distribution of land among clearly state that the character of the board them, unless they are given land to till the will change. The State Bo!lrds will be land and earn their livelihood, you cannot advisory bodies. The executive powers will really do them any good which will be of remain with the branch of the company cen- lasting value. Today the Congress Party is trally controlled. The total number of a party of jotedars and it will never have the members of the advisory committee will be courage to bring in land reform measures to decided by the company and it may-not give the Tribals and the Backward Classes must-include nominees of the State Govern- their own land to earn their living. The ment. The word 'may' leaves it open for social welfare work that has been done during the company to exclude nominees of the State the last three years is so magnificient that I Government. The State Government will want to give you some figures. relating to have its nominee as chairman; 50 per cent of West Bengal. I received these figures yester- the nomination for the State branch has been day from the Parliament Library. During taken away. This is what t,lIey want to do 1966-67, 2,550 males and 2,159 females to maintain the channel through which they committed suicide; that is a total of 4,709, could siphon money to keep their organisa- During the next year, 1967-68, 2,770 males tion alive when they are thrown out before and 2,393 females committed suicide which long. So we demand that the Government totals upto 5,168. During 1968·69 the res- amend things in consultation with the State pective figures are : 2,915; 2,478; total 5,393. 253 D. G. (Depll. CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Social Welfare) THE MINISTER OF LAW AND this is the position, you can understand SOCIAL WELFARE (SHR! GOVINDA how serious this Government is to safeguard MENON): Have you got information as to the the interests of the Scheduled Castes and months of 1967-68 when these suicides took Scheduled Tribes. place in Bengal? Next coming to the Commissioner, SHR! JYOTIRMOY BASU: I tell you I need not repeat whaL my friend that these suicides were due to social reasons. Shri Thakur has already said. Here If I were you, I would rather hang my head also there seems to be an attempt to bring in shame, instead of interrupting like this. a person who will perhaps be in support of Unless this Government gives a fair deal to the Government. Since 1950, the Commi- the tribals, Harijans, Adivasis and other ssioner for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Backward Classes and discourages those . who Tribes held an important status. He could are trying to vitiate that atmosphere and also criticise the Governments, both at the bring in effective land reforms giving them Centre and the States, and I think nobody land to till and earn their livelihood, there in this House-I have been here for tbe could be no lasting solution. That is never last 12 years-bad at any time criticised the possible in my opinion by this Government Commissioner for his opinions. But this which is run by jotedar Congress. time, they have brought in a Commissioner who is a retired officer. Even before he SHRI SlDOA YY A (Chamarajanagar): was appointed, my friend Shri Basumatari, The Commissioner for Scheduled Castes who is the Chairman of the Parliamentary and Scheduled Tribes has been appointed Committee, raised a point and said, here is under the Constitution and he has been a person who is a retired. officer and who invested with so many powers and responsi- has criticised the provisions of the Consti- bilities. He had regional offices in several tution made for the Scheduled Castes and parts of the country till 1967. He has been Scheduled Tribes. He raised an objection invested with some statutory functions which here, but the Minister at that time did not he has to discharge under our Constitution. answer it, because he had perhaps no facts He has to collect data, study and evaluate before him. Such a person has been appointed them and make an assessment of the whole as Commissioner, and the moment we came thing and thus help both the State and the to know that, we approached the Government Central Governments. For that purpose, and told them that this is not proper for _ it was necessary he should be given the them to do. But in spite of that, they field organisation, namely regional offices appointed him. But what happened after- in various parts of the country. In 1967, wards? the whole organisation was reorganised and alI the 17 regional offices had been abolished. Last year, he submitted a paper to the The Department of Social Welfare had a National Integration Council, for the con- Director of Backward Classes. He was ference held at Srinagar. At that conference, elevated to the post of Director-General and and in that note, he has given out his mind. the Deputy Directors and others were brough t Perhaps I will not be able to quote him in under him. full; but if I dont do that I may not be • able to do justice to the subject. The This is a very important thing, because Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and the Commissioner is the champion of the Scheduled Tribes must naturally feel happy rights and safeguards provided in the if the people become politically conscious Constitution for the Scheduled Castes and and culturally conscious. But this Commi- Scheduled -Tribes. There seems to be a ssioner says : concerted attempt on the part of the Govern- ment to undermine these safeguards by "At the moment there is a rising taking away these regional offices under him. political and cultural consciousness He was given the status of a head of depart- among them which is the result of the ment. Now, today, he has got only one provisions laid down in our Constitution. office at Delhi and he is reduced to the They have begun to feel more deeply position of a head clerk of an office. If than ever before that they are less 255 D. G. (Deptt. APRIL 14, 1969 Social Welfare) 256 [Shri Siddayya] gentleman who has no belief in the provisions educated, less economically advanced, of the Constitution. and in several instances, also less regarded with equality by some other He must work within the framework of sections of the population." the Constitution and safeguard the interests of the scheduled castes and tribes. But he He says that this state of affairs has to contrad¥:ts the whole provisions when says: be corrected. He is irritated by the advance of these people, and he suggested three "One of the complaints of leaders remedies. Which are those remedies? representing the scheduled communities Educational, economic and administrative. has been that candidates belonging to In the field of education,-I am quoting him these communities are not selected again: because the composition of the selection boards itself is not right. "In our educational policy, with refe- rence to the !aller,"-that is, Scheduled 15 bours. Castes and Scheduled Tribes-"there has been a growing tendency to They want representation of the scheduled promote higher education, that is, at castes on the selection boards. As a matter the college and some professional of fact, the Government has accepted the levels." policy and they are I!iving representation to these communities on selection boards, but He says all this education should be he is opposed to it. He says : limited only to one or two per cent of the population, and then he goes on to say, why should these people ask for higher education ? "We have indeed to build up a civil He says: service and an administrative apparatus which is fair, firm and completely non- "It has been the experience of the communal. And it should not matter writer that the demand for education even if all members of a particular among the Scheduled Castes and branch of civil service happen to belong Scheduled Tribes is generally of a by accident to one single community" kind which will prepare them mainly for securing bureaucratic jobs. This He only wants that it should be non- has been the result of an official rule communal and he does not care whether that a certain percentage is reserved for scheduled castes and tribes are represented or each of them by the Government not. He says : (12! % in the case of the Scheduled Castes and 5% in the case of the Scheduled Tribes in new recruitments to "If the scheduled castes and scheduled official posts)." tribes are becoming insistent today about the rights which have come to This is the very thing that has been all through our Constitution, and if safeguarded under the Constitution, in they snifer from a feeling of neglect, article 335. He opposes this. We submitted injustice or frustration when justice is a memorandum-several MPs of this not meted out to them fast enough "- House-referring to this matter, to the Prime Minister, but no action has been He does not want that Government taken for the last nine months. should take steps at once, but he says : AN HON. MEMBER : He must be replaced. "good social workers must be sent all over the country to teach them what AN HON. MEMBER': Dismissed; not their rights are, how to use consti- replaced. tutional remedies and the legal appara- tus and lastly how to employ non- SHRI SIDDAYY A : There is another violent technique when violence is point. I want to prove this. Here is a likely to break out through impatience." 257 D. G. (Deplt. CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKAl Social Welfare) 258 This is the type of man who is being industrially. Similarly, we have passed a continued in this post. If the Government Scientific Policy Resolution to make scientific is not prepared to dispense with his services, advancement in the country. In the same if an agitation is necessary to make the way, it is absolutely necessary that there Government do it, we are prepared to start should be a Social policy Resolution in wbich such an agitation. they must chalk out programmes as to bow to tackle this problem of castes. Unless they The Department of Social Welfare has do it, any.amount of money spent on the completely neglected the welfare of Scheduled removal of untouchability will be a waste. castes and tribes. There are very well-edu· If the Government feel that they cannot cat'ed Scheduled castes and scheduled Tribes deal with this problem, let them leave it to lAS officers working in other departments, the public and social welfare organisations. but their is not a single officer belonging to scheduled Castes/Tribes in this depart' So long as the caste system continues ment, particularly in Delhi, which is in the in the country, we cannot build up demo- key position. Posts are created just to cracy. I am amazed when some members benefit Individual officers. One officer who say that democr"cy has come to stay in this could not be accommodated in any other country. I am firmly of the opinion that as department found a place in this Department long as the caste system continues in this of Social' Welfare. A new post-Special country, democracy cannot be built up. Commissioner for Social Welfare-was Many of the evils which we are witnessing created for him. The moment he managed in this country are, directly or indirectly due to go to some other department, the post to castes. was abolished. This department has thus become the refugee of unwanted officers. Many hon. Members have given their own comments' about the statement of ha ve nothing to say against Sankaracharya wberein he has said that Mr Govinda Menon who is a very able man untouchability is one of the basic tenets of and sympathetic to scheduled castes and tribes. Hinduism and no law can prevent a Hindu But so far as Shrimati Phulrenu Guha is from practising it. It is a challenge not concerned, many questions relating to sche· only to our Constitution but to our entire duled castes and tribes are answered by her. country. The least that the government Mostly the answers are vague, evasive, not could have done was to prosecute him. to the point and sometimes portions of questions are left out completely unanswered, For instance, Unstarred Question No. 7746 SHRI AMRIT NAHATA (Barmer): Sir, dated 3·8·67 tabled by Mr. Ram Charan on a point of order. What have we got consisted of 5 parts. Only 4 parts were to do with mad men? Mad men like Sankaracharya and Golwalkar sbould be sent answered and the fifth-the ~ ial pa to the lunatic asylum straightway. They are was left unanswered. It can be verified from the records. . mad people ...... Government is spending a lot of money "11 ~ ~ ~ ~) for the removal of untouchability, but it is not realised that untouchability is only ~~, ~ffi UfoR, izm 0l1I01 an offshoot of the caste system of Hindu ~ fif; it 1f1T" f~ 'fit ~ ... ~) ... society. Unless the caste system is abolished I am sure untouchability can never be abolished from this country. But what "11 ~ SI1mT ~ ~) has been done to abolish caste system ? ~ ~ ~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Will you all ~: ~ ~ resume your seats ? -n 8"i"'" ~, 3f1" MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You first ~ fqqr 'Ii<: ~ ffi it m fcrqT 'Ii'<: withdraw aDd theD argue; otherwise, DO argument. OX'lfT I ... ~) ... itffi ~ f~ 'Ii<: W m, iR' ij it w srrn ~ 'flIT SHRI UMANATH: There is no questioD ~ ~ . " ~ 1 ;;ft ~ of aD explanation. If it is unparliamentary, .mt? it is unparliamentary. There is no question ~ ~, ** crT . itif m ~ of explaining an unparliameDtary thing. I ... ~) ... can understand a word which is not unparliamentary which could be explained. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: I said that But to call someone" and then explain, Golwalkar is a person propagating commuDal nothing doing. riots and uDtouchability. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What he MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He has has said has nothing to do with Shri Jyotirmoy unnecessarily sparked off a controversy by Basu. He has used the word DOt as a using an expressioD which I have expunged reply, in fact, to him. He should withdraw from the records. that. SHRI JYOTJRMOY BASU: May I lilT ~ :;;r.q ~: GIl ~i ~ ~ repeat what I said? ~mffi~ SHRI UMANATH: The maiD issue was MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You must raised from that side and then they were withdraw and withdraw it unconditionally. shouting back. What he was sayiDg had nothing to do with the word ". He was makiDg his own political issue. Then, Mr. !5it ~1 :;r.lI' f ~ : it if ~ qffl Kachwai called him as .", •• and aU those 'f1ii ~1 ?... ~) ... ~ ~ rn ffi things.- That is on record. What he tried if m ~ lfT, 3FT<: ~ ~ rn ffi it m to explain was the other poiDt. Let him first withdraw it and then explain it. ~ lT ~~l ... ~) ... ~ ~ qrfur ~, fli<: it fcJqT 'Ii<: OJ:'lfT I MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Lot him ... ~) ... withdraw and then I prooeed with the debate. (Interruptions) I think, goodsense MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That has is not going to prevail. Whatever expre- nothing to do with it. I will listen to Shri ssion he has used will not go on record. Tyagi about what another hon. Member has said. But so far as this word is SHRI UMANATH: If he is not withdra- concerned, you must withdraw it. wing, then I have got a right to move a motion of breach of privilege against him SHRI JYOTJRMOY BASU; It was for having called a Member here as" aDd aimed at me. as ". If you expunge that word, I have DOth in, on record to bring a breach of privilege motion against him. !5it f"1' :;;r.q ~: 3f!tl' 1:t<:1 qffl ~fl ;i if lll ~~ it ~ ofT m<1 .. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am not ~~~~ ;f.f;~ ij; i!1'<{ if i ~ going to reconsider my decision, OD this. ~ I ~~~ ~ ffi it '11 fqqr SHRI UMANATH: It is not a question "" 'i'lfT I .. ~) ... ~ ~ ;;ft of reconsideration at all. . You cannot ~ ~ inn iR' if it .mt am: [Shri Umanathl 11~o ~o ~ (TIT) : ~~~ directed him to withdraw the word. Now, ~,~m ~~;m ~~ after all these things, you cannot say that the word should be expunged. On the ~ 1 : ~ ~ ~ f'" ~ ~ basis of the record, I raise a point of order am:m:~~ ~~~~ and, on the basis of my point of order, you direct him to withdraw the word and he ~ srN.n " ~ f'" ~;;f ~ 'f>T refuses-leave it to himself. It is my right ~f.f;m~~l fTam:m: ~ to move a breach of privilege motion against ~ ~ f'" ~~ fcrqr lR: him on the basis of the record ... am: ..". ..-if ~~li ~~T~1 if;o;rn ~ AN HON. MEMBER: The Chair has ~ .;~~f~T~~ I already given the ruling. 11p"" ~: ~if ~ SHRI UMANAtH: It is not a question of ruling at all. It is a question of my ~ m: it ~ ~T ~ ~ T I right as a Member. You cannot suppress ... ~) ... it ~T ~ W ~ip.f my right. if~~ ~ I. .. ~) ... MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I know the procedure. When you raised a point of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: As Mr. Joshi order ... has sugested. let him withdraw it. Mr. Ram Avtar Shastri may also withdraw it. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I rise on a point of order. 1 f ~~ ):~ ~, ~ it 'flIT ~ ~ ? (Interruptions). MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Banerjee, I am replying to his point of order. You SHRI J. M. BISWAS: I have DO objec- know the procedure better. Please resume tion to withdrawing if I have said anything ... your seat. Mr. Umanath raised a point of (Interruption) order when he used a certain expression. I requested the hon. Member to withdraw MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Whatever that. He pleaded with me. We have words you have used. interrupted the proceedings for 10 minutes. I thought, to proceed with the debate, the SHRI J. M. BISWAS: What actually I best course was not to put these expressions have said, I should know. on record. So far as my order of not putting these expressions on record goes, SHRI SURAJ BHAN (Ambala): He has it stands. It will not change. There is no not got the courage to teh the truth. ~. point of order on this. '1rof) SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will you allow us to call them •• and ..? I call "" BIll1\' ... ~ : 3!'tI': it fifqT them·· and ... (Interruptions). ..-if rn, eft ~ ~ f1Iqr ~ ~ I MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: When we MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There should owe an a1legience to the Constitution, it is be no condition for withdrawing. That is nobody's privilege to call any Member like not good. Mr. Joshi has already appealed- that. It does not, in any way, add to the I would also appeal-that both of them with- dignity of the House. . I pleaded with him. draw; What he said, I could not hear. It is entirely wrong on his part to say that. It does Dot add to the culture which he is ~o ~o ~ ~ ~ supposed to represent in this House. It is 15ft : 1ro If>WIT ablolutely wrong. f" ~ l T..".~~~i am:~~ •• ExPUDlled as ordered by the Chair-vide col ...260. 265 D. G. (Deptl. CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Social Welfare) 266 ir.ff if ~ ~ if ~ ~ ~ "Tf" ~~i ifi fi i ~ ~~ ~ ~i ; it" I ~ m- m~, ~ "f<=rif ~ ~ I am - "" "lITof ; I ~ mro;;iT if ~ ~ ~ ~ f.rm:tJ; I ~ ~ ~) it lfm!' ;;it ~i ~lfm ~ I SHRI J. M. BISWAS: I have no objec- ~ ~ 3fI'f tJ; ~ arr ~ ~ ifT'r ~~) it ~ ~ iffiT MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Nahata ~ went a step further. It shows, in this House _ one point should be remembered that heat is generated whenever a question of certain ~ ~i 'Ii (I "'114 8l1lf lfImi\ !'IfI1ft ; <>f\ ij; religious sanctity given to the caste is raised, m if ~ ~ 'fI1T<'r, ~ ~ ~ because there are number of representatives ~ .i)<;Iql<1'1i( ;;iT 'liT :r.rij; m"1 ~, ~ here. As he has argued just now, whatever you say, so long as custom permits. we have m ~m mlR am I 1f ~ t f'I; no other go, but we have to struggle for it. ~ ~;: : . i ;, arq;ft 'lTif am: arq;ft If he were to say instead of prosecution-- ~ 3{TlfT, W m 'liT ~~, ~ ;;it SHRI SHEO NARAIN: They are not ~~ ~~, ;;riI"Cfiji'it qmr individvals. They are leaders . •• Expunged as ordered by the Chair, vide." ·Col. 260 267 D. G. (Deptl. APRIL 14, 1969 Social WeI/art) 268 ..n aft1f.p;m ~ : iru ~ ~~~:~~, if;.m:if~~ l arT<:o ~o ~o iru "'WIT ~ t fiji ~ .. 1~ .. <'I1 it ~ ij; 3f6lrlff, ..n 'n<'l'll<'l'l><;;ft if; ~"" it if~~~ I ~;ffi~mi ~ l~lff~~o.fi~if; ~ arrqif; T~ ~if : ~ W ~ I'" f.rt!: ~ ~, V!if.t 'ii<'l'll<'llf>(, arT<:o ~o ( ~) I miru "'WIT ~ t f'l> arr:r ~o if; 3f6lrlff if; f.rt!: ~ t I ~ a f~ if>T ~ Ufcr ~ ~~ i!W I • SHRI AMRIT NAHATA: The demand MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Jadav, for the prosecution of Puri Shankaracharya you may please resume your seat. You has been voiced from various quarters in this have not followed and you have not under- House. But at present there is no law taking stood what I have said. I have already said cognisance of incitement to or preaching of this. No man, however high or mighty he untouchability. I have also read in the may be, can try to disturb the susceptibilities morning newspapers that the untouchability of certain sections of this House. If he law may be amended so that such activities does that, his name is bound to occur here may be covered. )10 sane person today in and he is likely to be criticised and he does this country ... not enjoy that immunity from criticism. I have already made that very clear. Where MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That I have is the point now? About Mr Nahata. I explained. asked him only one thing. The name of SHRI AMRIT NAHATA: As for Guru Guruji was mentioned. There is a Section Golwa1kar I am confident that he is a cham· or group of this House who consider and piOIi of so-called Caste Hinduism which so hold him in utmost reverence. If one were long as it persists will also lead to the to say caste system is immutable. it is sanc- continuance of untouchability. I can produce tioned by religion and all that, somewher.:, speeches delivered by Guru Golwalkar in in that connection one could have brought in, which he has preached caste system. He has but just now, at least as far as I am concer- supported caste system. ned, nothing is before me. Therefore, please exclude that part. Other things may be MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You must said. remember one thing. When this question was raised, the leader of Jana Sangh made a ~~~:~lff~,1l;i i forthright statement on it and he condemened it. But now a certain section of the group ~ lfm~~ l holds him in reverence. Why unnecesoarily SHRI AMRIT NAHATA: J bow down disturb that 1 Whatever be his views, they to your ruling. But, I must know which are not before us just now. No reference party here is connected. Is Mr. Golwalkar was made to it by Mr Siddiah. The best a member of any political party represented .thing is to avoid it. I will resquest you that in this House? Then, Sir, how do I know 80 far as G1!fuji is concerned, avoid it. That that a reference to him injur.:s the susceptibi- is enough. lities of any section here? (Interruption) ~ ~ ('fRTl«ft): ..n lT~~:~~ ~ ~ ~,i ~ flr.ffit ~ t 6"if> ~ if>T ~ fffi t, ~ if 40 .~ f.I; ~ ~ ~ ~ orroft 'r"! ~ aiR if; ;;r;;r;mr "" ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ m ~if~m~.if " <'fT MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am not MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is a doing it. There is no Question of restricting Point of Order. the freedom of speech of Members or of this House. On the contrary, I give full SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI ; It freedom. But, one thing must he remem- is not a question of hurting religious susccep- - bered, that freedom should be exercised with tibility or any such thing. (Interruptions) caution, because we are in a privileged posi~ tion and a protected position. That is all. ~ ~, ~ ~ ~if@ l )m~: am::o ~o ~o if; ~~ ~ R' I ~ "IliI,,+m< f.!im 0l:J"f.Rr if; fm:~,~ ~) .1 f~ 'PT ~ ~ ~~ ~ ... ~) I f.!im mqr it ~ i1T ~ SHRI AMRIT NAHATA: If I am to ~ f'l'm: ~ if, ~ ~ [Shri Jagannath Rao Joshi] have no objection to his reading that-it is of the Hindu society. You are all following bound to come here if a statemenl is quoted a path of escapism and you are not Hindus ... here. He has condemned the statemenl of (Interruptions) ~ m fiRlif ii1t Golwalkar. But when he is called 'lunatic' it is not good. ~ <'IRT tf<'rn ;ncr ~ 1 ~ f fl f ~, ~ lf l 1i1 1"lim~ ~ 1 ~)l SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumar) : Mr. Deput¥-Spealr.er, Sir, I now rise on a point MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have ruled of orllcr: it out. Mr. Kachwai. will you please resume your seat 1 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let him first conclude. SHRI VASUDEVA NAIR (Peermade): Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Sir. when you said that SHRI AMRIT NAHATA : The hon. Shri Nahata should not bring in the name of Member, Shri Joshi wanted me to withdraw Guru Golwalkar. actually some of us were the reference made to him because that hurts worried because. there was a real occasion the feelings of the people. for referring to that 'name in this very House a few days back when some question was MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You please raised during Question Hour regarding the refer to that statement. activity of the R. S. S. I put a question to the Home Minister whether his attention was SHRI AMRIT NAHATA: A question drawn to the recent statement made by Guru was put to Shri Golwalkar and this is what Golwalkar in Emakulam and many other he said: places upholding Chaturvarna and whether his attention was also drawn to the demonstra- ~~~)~ tion held by harijans in a place near Nagpur when the Home Minister came out saying sw.f :-'l'IT ~ ~ ~ a ~ if;T that he knew all about these things and that ~~ he condemned that statement and said that it was unfortunate that Guru Golwalkar was going about and making such a statement. ~) ~: m ~ 'fWf ffi ~ ~.~ ~~~ ~ So, the Home Minister himself had to einid\l(<1"i ,",!quf ~ ~ ~ come out on the floor of this Parliament against that statement made by Guru Golwal- ~~. ~ ffi ~~ a ~ kar who may be respected by quite a few ~ ~ "lit Il'mrn mm ~)~~:~~,~ ~ ~ 'FT mor ~ ~ am: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Will you ~ sr.fR: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I please resume your seat ? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Nair. SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI: I Ihe controversy started with this when he have not finished what I wanted to say, read the statement of Guru Golwalkar. I (Interruptions). 273 D. G. (Depl/. CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Social Wei/are) 274 MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER . Guru SHRI N. K. SOMANI: Since you have Golwalkar said in that statement tha't it was given the ruling, instead of allowing all the God·ordained. hon. Member to enter into arguments, the ruling of the Chair must be made to prevail. SHRI JAGANNA TH RAO JOSHI : You have given the ruling already to the When a question was asked as to what the effect that the hon. Member, has to with- term ·Cha!urvarna' means in a scientific way, draw the expression he has used. You have he said that. Otherwise, who should bother to clarify this to the House. about it. But this had nothing to do with untouchability. ~f ~ ~:~am: ~l ~~ '1111'<'1' ~~~ MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Now. let us put an end to this. Mr. Nahata, if you ~i ~"lTaf ~~ ~fif T had read out this interview and argued, I ifi"m ~ I 3l71': ~ ~ ~ ~ would have had no objection. But, before ffi~~~1 that, you used the word 'lunatic'. That part was the most offensive to a section of this House. That word you withdraw. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: We have already wasted 40 minutes on this. Mr. Nahata, are you going to withdraw that SHRI AMRIT NAHATA: If I have to word or are you going to challenge my ruling? withdraw that word, it will hurt the susce- I have said that any word which gives offence ptibilities of all the citizens of this country; to a section of this House should be avoided. more than the Members belonging to the I requested you to withdraw the word Scheduled Castes, it will hurt the feelings of 'lunatic' which you used. other Members. SHRI TULSHIDAS JADHA V : Point of SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI : Order, Sir. Unless we observe some dignity and decorum in this House, I don't know what will happen. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: You please We are also capable of using any such resume your seat. [ have given the ruling words. The English dictionary is not lacking that this word must be withdrawn. I want in that. But. we have to maintain some Mr. Nahata to withdraw this word. dignity and decorum. If we allow this where will we go ? ' SHRI AMRIT NAHATA: Before withdraw that word, I must be allowed to SHRI J. B. KRIPALANI (Guna): Sir, explain. a point of order hasbeen raised and you have to give your decision only on that point of order. You have to decide whether it is a MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : No explana- point of order or not. tion is needed. No more explanation now. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Acharyaji, I have already ruled that, if a section of the No with- House feels offended, if the feeling of a SOME HON. MEMBERS section of this House is offended by the use drawal (/IJIerruptions). of such a word, that should be withdrawn. I requested Shri Nahata to withdraw the SHRI N. K. SOMANI: He has to with· word 'lunatic' which he used. That is my draw it. decision. The word 'lunatic' used in conne- ction with the Guruji must be withdrawn. I ~, fA .... ~ : 11;'1' fiI;re 'fili:- entirely share your feelings. qr{ ~ ~ 3l71': ~ m;r ~ ","tit I SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: Karpatraji and the Sankaracharya of Puri are mad SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : Has be people. withdrawn it 1 275 D. G. (DeplI. APRIL 14, 1969 Social Welfare) 276 SHiu RANJIT SINGH (Khalilabad): SHRI TULSHlDAS JADHAV On a Words have unnecessarily been used. point of order. I want your ruling. Now that you have given your ruling, MR. SPEAKER : No point of order they have to be withdrawn. now. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : If he does fT~~:~~, not withdraw, I will have to take the next step. There must be some order in the lfTif~fi ;~~~if~ ~ House (Inurruplions). Sf'Ii<: ~aT ~ ~ ~ ~ f<;r'pml'ti ~ am: ~ ~ Hereafter anybody who i. using the word MR. SPEAKER: That is over now. ,Do lunatic will be asked to withdraw it and not take it up. We have already wasted it will not go on record. more than 30 minutes on this:' Let us not raise any point of order. Shri Siddiah will MR. SPEAKER : If everyone of you continue his speech. get up like this on the same point, only 271 Cossipore firing - CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West Bengal Strike 278 (Dis.) the proceedings will be delayed. He raised ded; I can understand that. But if hon. the same point; you have also raised it. It Members go on exceeding the time, tbat is not a question of my giving a ruling. A may not be correct, and I do not like to gentleman who was OCCupying the Chair ring the bell. It is not good. had given a ruling.- Am 1 an appeUate authority on this matter ? The question is SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : The not whether it is unparliamentary or not. Home Minister is not here. I am not going into the merits of it. Some body used a certain expression against the AN HON. MEMBER: He is coming. Prime Minister two or three days back. The question was not whether it was unparli- MR. SPEAKER: So, do not put me to amentary. I said that it was not proper an embarrassing position of ringing the bell. and fair; it was not a decent language and I am sure senior Members are going to I got it expunged on that day. My friends participate in the debate today. Do not put tbere ought to have been angry. When we me in an embarrassing position of ringing the use strong words, we must be careful. bell. We should go ahead While an hon. While the Deputy-Speaker was in the Chair Member makes a speech or an hon. Minister he has done the same thing. Let us forget makes a speech, please do not go on interrup- about it now. It is 4.0' clock. Mr. Siddayya ting and shouting. It would not help us to may continue his speech afterwards. have a decent debate here. Mr Banerjee, you are not speaking, I think. 16 hrs. DISCUSSIONS Re: DEFENCE MINI- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I just want to STER'S STATEMENT ON FIRING ON make a statement. Unless I move- GUN AND SHELL FACTORY EMPLO- YEES AND HOME MINISTER'S STATE- MR. SPEAKER: There is no motion or MENT ON STRIKE IN WEST BENGAL anything here. If you are surrendering your time and your chance of speaking on this- AN HON. MEMBER: On a point of order. When Mr. Kachwai tried ... SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I have given you in writing also. Since I have already MR. SPEAKER : I have gone to the expressed tbe resentment of the people against next item. It is now 4 0' clock. Before we the firing at Cossipore and have expressed begin the discussion about West Bengal, myself On the rather mischievous statement may I appeal to all hon. Members on both of the Home Minister, I would request you - sides of the House to kindly listen to me._ to give my time to my leader, Shri Dange. There is rather a reasnn for excitement. MR. SPEAKER: Yes, Mr. Dange. but I would request the Members to be calm. Let us hear the speeches on both sides, on d~ S. A. DANGE (Bombay Central- both the issues. Let us not get. excited and South): Sir, I do not want to take too much begin shouting' at each other. After all, time of the House on this subject. But it is a Parliament is a forum where you will have to very serious happening that Home Minister hear whear whether you like it or not. should make a statement on a subject whose importance at that time was not so magnified The time is also limited. But the begin- in the people's minds. So, first, I would ners-'both of them-will have 20 minutes request you and the House to consider what each. After that, each party will gets its the position was. due time. One party gets eight minutes; Swatantra, six minutes; Communist (Marxist), There is a factory under the Central four minutes; SSP, four minutes; Unattached Government. Certain people are not rein- 10 minutes. The Congress gets about 37 stated in spite of' the Home Ministry'S minutes. This is the time. The Minister directive that tbe victimised people of the also' must get some time. The 37 minutes 19th September strike should be reinstated on .<:Xclude the Ministers time. One or two certain conditions. There was an agitation minutes or even five minutes may be exoee- outside the gate of the factory, A little 279 Cossipore firing APRIL 14, 1969 turd West Belflla/ Strike (Dis.) 280 [Shri S. A. Dange] burnt? Did he deal witb tbe problem in delay might have taken place; we do not the same way when Rs. 24 crores worth pro- know. And when the people wanted to enter, perty was damaged and trains were burnt in there was a whole posse of armed people, Bombay due to the Shiv Sena activities? At those soldiers who are in civilian employ- that time Mr. Chavan was not found making ment, who prevented the people from coming a statement that the Chi.f Minister and Home in under the orders of the person in Minister of Maharasbtra had made a mistake charge. This gentleman, Mr. Cbakravarti, and tberefore, they sbould be pulled up ? gets agitated, because the workers demand an Why did be not lecture to the Chief Minister entry and immediately orders firing. This is in Bombi]!,? Because, he belongs to the tbe simple matter that any body could have Congress party. dealt with in a very calm and proper manner. My statement here is that the statement But the firing was of a kind in wbich of the Home Minister was made, not because five people were killed on the spot. Now, do there was any interruption in the economic you expect the people to feci strongly about life, "as he says but because he is out to it or not in Bengal? Do you expect the destroy the UP Ministry, in which comm- workers and the people in general to feel unists certainly have a majority. He is strongly about it or not? They were bound fighting a political battle. The quotations of to feci about it and tlierefore in order to let articles of the Constitution like 256 and 257 expression to tbeir strong feeling, the trade are merely a screen to hide his real ambitions union organisations called for a bandh. of displacing this ministry whicb he does not AN HON. MEMBER: Wonderful. like. If that is so, it means be is declaring a political war against the UF Ministry. If SHRI S. A. DANGE: Yes; Wonderful. that is tbe viewpoint of the wbole Govern- They called for a bandh in order to protest ment and of the Congress Party, we should against the firing and tbe killing of five like to know it, so that we can behave workers in that firing. Now, this bandb is accordingly. resented by the Home Minister. As sucb I think he had not much ground to protest He says the economic life was stopped. against the handh, because his words, most Por whom? Why did he not state in his probably written by his most intelligent Home statement, in fairness to the Benaal Govero- Secretary, Mr. L. P. Singh are tbese: "Such ment, that they had ordered the hospitals and disproportionate and harmful methods of such essential services shall not be closed? protest have to be eschewed." Will you It does not find mention in his statement please define for us how much proportion of anywhere that tbe Bengal Government had protest should be tbere in relation to the ordered that the Air India International corpses, in relation to the men killed ? traffic through Calcutta will be carried If one man is killed, one hour's strike; through and there wiu be no interruption in if two men are killed. two hours' strike; if five it. If Air India overflew Calcutta, that is men are killed, five hours' strike; if 24 people not the fault of Mr. Jyoti Basu. They are killed, complete bandh. If that is the might have done it for their own convenience. ratio, let us have it. Let all the parties sit In fairness to the UP Government, Mr. down and decide about the proportion of Chavan should have mentioned that it was protest. When 59 workers were kiUed in specifically ordered that essential services like Bombay city, unfortunately no handh was hospitals, water supply etc. will be maintai- called by the people concerned. Did Mr. ned. Chavan make this statement really in honesty, to find a way out for the deadlock developing Now come the railways with which he is in Centre-State relations? Is he really faith- so much worried. Railways were stopped ful to his own principles as Home Minister in Andhra. Railways were stopped in of the Central Government, who should deal Bombay. They were stopped when there was with all the States equitably? Would he trouble in Assam. The trains were stopped deal with the Telengana problCJp in the same when Dr. B. C. Roy was the Chief Minister of way where property belonging to the Centre West Bengal. Mr. Chavan was not here and State were damaged and trains were fortunately as Home Minister at that time. 281 COlSipore /iring CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West Bengal Strike 282 (Dis.) Trains have been stopped on so many with it, then he would have allowed the occasions, but no Home Minister took such whole thing to proceed in the way it was an attitude. Why did he take such an attitude proceeding. But he did not do that. On now? The answer is plain, that he does the other hand, the.... was flash message not want the UF Ministry to continue and he from the Joint Secretary, Home Department, wants to create a deadlock. He advises the to the police wherein he says "the matter is Defence Minister to order a judicial enquiry. being discussed; interference with the running Mr. Chavan generally resists any demand for of the trains will, therefore, be unwarranted a judicial enquiry. But this time, within and should be prevented; necessary police 24 hours, it has been announced that there arrangements may kindly be made for this will be a judical enquiry. I am not sorry purpose" . This is the flash message from that he announced it. I only wish he is the State Home Ministry to the Deputy quick enough in other cases also, where he is Commissioner of Purulea when a grievance not. If he had consulted the State Govc;rn- demonstration was going to take place. So, ment and said, "We are appointing a you cannot say that inherently Shri J yoti committee. We two together shall conduct Basu, by his own character, is so made that it", nothing wrong would have happened. he would not deploy pol ice for protection Now, we have a judicial enquiry and there of railways, he will not prevent any obstruc- are the court cases. Then the officers and tion or anything of tbe kind and, therefore, police are being prosecuted. Which survives ipso facto the nature of the man and his party which? Or, do they run parallel ? is such that everything will be done to stop the railways. Here is the order passed on Whose law cuts against whom-the Shri J. M. Biswas, the Leader of the Union, by the Home Minister who next day said judicial inquiry· or the court proceedings? In that if the bandh is called for then "I cannot fact, tbe court proceeding should have prece- give protection to the railways". dence, because tbey are established courts whereas the other is merely an inquiry. In One day prior to that he was prepared that conflict what is the solution ? Another to give police protection. You will ask: statement in the House Says tbat the why this contradiction, why next day he Ministry be dismissed? What are tbey is not prepared to give police protection. driving at? They want to have a coo1lict The position is that he does not refuse police with the whole State which is solidly behind protection. But when the bandh takes place the United Front Ministry, What do you on all-Bengal scale, then simply sending ten want-an undeclared civil war or what? policemen is not going to help. It may be We should like to know that. .You have in the tradition of the Central Home arms; they do not have arms. Therefore, I Minister that whenever the people call for a should like to know whether he is running bandh the police must be sent, force must the Home Ministry in accordance with the be used and firing must be ordered. But Constitution. Shri Jyoti Basu docs not believe in such a policy. So, on the 9th he tells them: I will If be wants to make a case that Shri send the police; do not have the demonstra- Jyoti Basu, as Home Minister, being a tion; I will look into the matter; let the Communist, is essentially interested in demonstration be stopped. On the next day creating disorder and especially stopping he says: there is a bandh; please stop the trains,· I will tell you that Shri Jyoti Basu railway trains from entering the State because has no such ambitions; nor is he of that no protection is possible. These arc two type (laughur). You are laughing too early. sides of Jyoti Basu and you cannot make a Because, on the same railway line one MP general proposition that the West Bengal here, who is a railway leader, was going to Government was determined to stop comm- carry out a demonstration because the unications going through, the State. It was victimised people were not reinstated and done because they did not want more there, was going to be a gherao there and firing, more damage and they wanted a all that Now, if Sbri Jotri Basu were peaceful bandh. Shri Chavan will have to interested only in stopping trains because admit that the bandh was a peaceful one. they belong to the Central Government and AN HON. MEMBER: What about because, as Home Minister, he is concerned Kanchrapara ? 283 os ipo ~ firing APRIL 14, 1969 and West Bengal Strike 284 (Dis.) SHRI S. A. DANGE: About Kanchra- Suddenly next day he was very happy; para you do not mow anything. Now, why maybe, you will also be happy tomorrow, is this being done? The key is here. Shri following Shri Modi :- Chavan, assisted by his most eminen t Shri L. P. Singh, is a .Iobby of the Birlas ... "I am happy to know that the United (Interruptions) Wait; let me complete it. Front Government and representatives of The Birlas had given the signal on the 16th OIamber of Commerce and associations March, 1969. At the annual meeting of ift "West Bengal are engaged in a the Federation of Indian Chambers of hopeful dialogue and I am sure this Commerce and Industry held in Delhi, will help in solving the many problems which was addressed by the Prime Minister, facing the State. Shri G. M. Modi the President laid down the line when he said: Shri Chavan, will you please learn from Shri Modi, amend this statement and say, "I would be failing in my duty if I do "I am happy to know that the. bundh was a not express the anxiety which industry very peaceful one, that I was misguided by and trade feel in West Bengal. The my informants", by that gentleman officer memory of the days of the Left United who is rotten, I know, though a son of a Front are still fresh in our mind. very worthy father, "and, therefore, I am They made a mockery of our democratic very happy now to amend my statement and institutions and traditions". say that amicable relations will prevail between West Bengal and the Central . Shrl Chavan is quoting from Shri Modi's Government" ? speech which was written by the Birla lobby and delivered on 16th March, and he only trotted out articles 256 and 257 which perhaps SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU (Diamond Shri Modi did not know of. Harbour) : They gave him Padma Bhushan last year. So, the line was liad down on 16th March. Then, what happened? It i. very interesting. SHRI S. A. DANGE: Take the leader- Shri Chavan has not noted it; may be, Shri ship properly. You are taking half the L. P. Singh is ignorant about it. Then the leadership from the Birlas, but the Birlas industrialists from Bengal, of a smaller order, themselves are wise men about their invest- protested. They said, "You made this ments; they have amended it and Silri Modi speech; we will be in trouble; we are discus- fell in line with them. sing things; the United Front Ministry is not so had as you think; therefore, this THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS speech will harm our discussions and peaceful (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN) : Now you are settlemenl." Then the FICCI Chairman happy to have compliments from the repented a bit which, of course, is not in Birlas. I am very glad to know that. line with Shri Chavan who never suffers from any repentance, whether it be in Maharashtra SHRI S. A. DANGE: He will, I hope, in the Samiti, bere or inside the Working take the advice and stop his war against the Commitlee-l do not know. Then next West Bengal Government. This is the point day .Shri Modi made a correction. The really which J wanted to make. report says :- He says here that he is very much "Mr. Modi has modified his reference worried that the whole administrative structure in his presidential address yesterday to envisaged in the Constitution would be the apprehension entertained by indus- seriously undermined if the State Govern- trialists from that State". ment did not take action under the law to prevent any obstructiori in the functioning Therefore a correction wlls issued which of the Central Government agencies and so is exactly contrary to what he said before. on and so forth. If he is worried about the It says :- Constitution, may I know why he is not worried about the simple problem, that he, "I am happy to know"- his Government and his party for the last 285 Cossipore !iri/lg CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West Bengal Strike 286 (Dis.) 20 years have succeeded in violating the MR. SPEAKER: Before I call Mr. Hem Directive Principles of State Policy in the Barua to raise his discussion I would like to Constitution, that is article 39 (a), (b) and request him to tell me whether he himself (c) 1 Why is he not worried about that ? is going to speak or asking some of his party They embrace the life of the people. Members to speak. If he himself is going Adequate living (39 (a) and no concentration to speak there is no time left for other of property and power (39 (b) and (c» are Member of his party. Kindly excuse me. violated by 100 or 102 houses, who were I got a chit that somebody else will also be speaking through Shri Modi. He is not speaking on the motion. It will not be worried about that part of the Comtitution right. That will be a bad precedent. being completely violated, demolished and finished to the detriment of millions of SHRI HEM BARUA (Mangaldai): Sir, people in this country. When a dastardly I raise a discussin on the statement made by officer orders a firing because the people want the Minister of Home Affairs on the lIth reinstatement and when there is a peaCeful April, 1969 regarding the strike in West bundh, he wants to come to the House and Bengal on the 10th April, 1969. say that everything is collapsing, the whole democracy is collapsing and he must act. The hartal on the 10th A pril was a Such a home minister should be dismissed by momentous one and it paralysed the life the Prime Minister. A Home Minister, who completely in West Bengal. There is no cows down to the dictates of the financial doubt about it. Although, I know, Mr. houses, who takes delight in violating the Chavan from Delhi is a most unpopular man Directive Principles of the Constitution which in West Bengal today, I should say that the deal with the life of the people, who wants statement he has made was not a personal to bring about clashes between the Unittd document but it was on bebalf of Indian Front ministry and the Central Government, Government. We have to look at the who shuts his eyes when there is burning of statement from that standpoint instead of the railway trains in Bomhay because his directing our wrath, ire and fire, against the friend is the Chief Minister there-such a single individual. home minister who is partial, who is a casteist and who is linguistic-minded only There is one thing that I do not like when it comes to Maharashtra and also who is politically inspired in a partisan way, personally. The Home Minister has said in bis statement that there was a deliberate- should not hold a portfolio in this Govern- effort to bring the functioning of economic ment. Therefore if the Prime Minister is system to a standstill. How can there be a at all interested in regulating life in this deliberate effort to bring the functioning of country in the way that democracy should economic system to a standstill within 24 regulate, she should take steps on the hasis hours? Therefore, it is a slight exaggeration of this single happening to dismiss the that he has indulged in and this particular Home Minister, Shri Chavan. thing I have not liked. Although, I know, erores of rupees have been spent and have Perhaps, if he not corrected now, he been lost to the Central and State Exchequer, might develop ambitions of becoming Chavan yet, I would say that what the o~ Khan like Ayub Khan. That is the danger Minister bas said is a slight exaggeratIOn and development that we want to stop. One because within 24 hours economic life of a Khan has got his reward and I do not want State cannot be paralyacd. Yet, I must say him to go the same way. Therefore, for that the strike was a momentous one because the salvation of this country, I would request of the fact that it drew inspiration from the him to resign or next, I will request the U. F. Government. That is wby it was a Prime Minister to dismiss him so that the momentous one and an historical one. Constitution be properly observed in true What was the basic rcason behind the SPiriV( hartal on 10th April? The basic reason was the firing at the Cossipore Gun and Shell SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Whichever is Factory. There is no dOUbt about it. We earlier. all condemned the firing because, you know, 287 Cossipore firing APRIL 14, 1969 and West Bengal Strike 288 (Dis.) [Shri Hem Barua] inquiry. As far as J know, this Gun and the trigerhappy gunmen released all his ire Shell Factory is under the dispensation of the and fire apinst unarmed workmen and the Central Government, and the Central feelings of the workmen were pent-up for a Government has done a right thing in order- long time and this was an occasion when ing a judicial inquiry into it. But why they found an opportunity to give vent to should there be a parallel inquiry? The their feelings. These trigger-happy gunmen thing is this. If you are so enthusiastic fired on these unarmed workmen. I do not about belding inquiries, why don't you hold want to dilate upon the details of this firing an inquiry into the incident that happened because they are very gruesome. This was in Rabindra Sarobar Stadium where women an instance of a murderous assault by gun- were made naked, women had to return home men-on whom ?-on unarmed workmen. in a state of nakedness? Then what hap- And this needs to be condemned by all. pened, Sir? After this discovery, a large I must congratulate the Central Govern- quantity of torn sarees and torn brassiers found there on the spot. The incident ment for one thing, for ordering an inquiry were immediately into the bappenings of the at the Rabindra Sarobar Stadium was a ghastly incident and I want to say that, Olssipore Gun anel. Sbell Factory by Justice instead of holding a parallel inquiry into the Das who is eminent in his own field and Cossipore firing incident, the State Govern- well-known in tbe country. We are happy ment, if it is so enthusiastic about holding because of this. There is another thing that an inquiry. can hold an inquiry into the there were contradictory reports about the incident at the Rabindra Sarobar Stadium firing coming from Calcutta. where women were humihated and inSUlted. For instance, according to the Director- Even today I hear-this is my report; I do not General of Ordnance Factories, the firing know how far this is correct-that 30 women had to be resorted to because of provocation are missing because of this incident. What- coming from the workmen whereas, according ever tbat my be, that was a ghastly scene or to the State Government, there was no provo- a ghastly spectacle and I say that an inquiry cation whatsoever coming from the workmen should be held into it. and that the firing was resorted to in a spirit of gamble. Whatever that' might be, there I am very happy that, under your dis· are contradictory reports, no doubt, and the pensation, Parliament has come to assert Government has done a right thing in itself. When the life of a citizen is in ordering a judicial inquiry into this incident danger, the time bas come when Parliament in order to find out tbe trutb and that sbould assert itself. I am very bappy tbat, inquiry is going to be held under an eminent under your dispensation, this thing has been person, Mr. Das. This is the first time that allowed to be discussed in this House. Government has done a very good thing, a laudable thing, with great speed, and I must congratulate the Government on that. But I always think that example is mucb Is must say one thing also. When the inquiry better than precept, what is the use of is conducted and when the inquiry is over, going on preaching that wbich you do not the judge or the commission will present a yourself follow? I do not understand tbis. report to the Government. If the findings Try to follow the things and then preach to in the report go apinst the Government, I others to follow the same example. Tbis would ask the Government not to put the 10th April bartal about wbich tbe bon. report in the cold storage as they have done Home Minister-who is tbe most unpopular in the case of the 26th January incident in man, as I have said, possibly from Delhi or Gauhati; I would like the Government to whatever that might be-has made a state- bring the fact to the light, of the people, to ment, pinpoints certain basic questions. One the knowledge of the people, and at the same is wbo is responsible for giving security and time take drastic action against those gun- protection to tbe Central Government's men who were responsible .for that blood property in a State. According to the bath. directive that was issued by tbe Central Government in Novemeber, 1967, it is the Now there is another anomaly also. The responsibility of tbe State Government to State Government wants to hold a parallel give protection. J tbink this a very good 289 Cossipore firing CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKAl and Wes' Bengal Strib 290 (Dis,) arrangement in the sense that, if the Central confrontations. Confrontation has a ten- Government rushes into a State Government dency to weaken the person against whom in order to give protection to its installations the confrontation is directed. Mr. Chandra and property, that would mean introduction Shekhar's confrontation against Mr. MoraIji of a sort of diarchy into the administration Desai has weakened Mr. Morarji Desai by of the State, and the . State Government has throwing him into a defeoce Posture. It a right to resent to that. As far as I know, has a tendency to weaken a man against tbe West Bengal State Government has never whom confrontation is directed. refused to give protection to the Central Government's installations within the State. Therefore, tbis is an over-enthusiasm on the 10th April Strike is a symbol of a resent- part of tbe Government. I must say one ment, a symbol of confrontation. That thing. The Constitution guarantees certain confrontation has become a challenge. The authority to the Central Government. The Chief Minister of Kerala was talking about a authority of the Central Government must confrontation that he proposed to take against not be eroded. But, at the same tillie,' the the Central Government. But before he autonomy of the State must be assured. could do it. the West Bengal Government At the same. time, the authority of the has already done it. There is no doubt Central Government must not be eroded. about it: That is a confrontation. We But tbese things are happening. This strike of should see and we should modulate our 10th April brings into a tragic focus certain aspirations and constitutional provisions in other things also. What are they? They are the such a way as to fit them into the new basic relations that a State should have witR pattern. the Centre. What are the basic relations that the Centre should have with the State? When our Constitution was formulated. it The Home Minister has spoken about was formulated for the whole of India when Art. 256 and 257 of the Constitution. I do there was a similar pattern of administration not find in Art. 256 there is a pointed refe- all over the country and I o~ there were rence to the fact that any attempt to impede Congress State Governments which were con· the functioning of the Central Government fronting with the Central Government. But must be resisted. I do flOt find any attempt that confrontation was all silent because of on the part of the West Bengal Government. the fear of being described as indisciplined. State Government has attempted in this One must not forget that if one encourages strike of 10th April to impede the function indiscipline, indiscipline tends to recoil on of the Central Government in the State. the man who encourages indiscipline. That But some how or other that confrontation is what is happening in the country to-day. has become a challenge and only recently the India is a vast country. There is no doubt Deputy Chief Minister of West Bengal said about it. The diversity of India is both he,' 'If you do not give us money, we are going destiny and beauty also. In the socioeconomic to agitate'. If evel y State Government diversity of the country. a new diversity has goes on agitating like that, should there be been projected. That is the political diversity. an end to agitation? I do not understand And if necessary the Constitution should be Ihis. If you do not give me milk, I will amended so that our approach and attitude die. I do' not know whether the Central might be fitted into the new realities of the Government is the mother of the State time because of these altered political con- Governments. Whatever that. be, there' is ditions .• We must not forget that. a feeling that there is an attempt to overthrow the authority of the Central Government in West Bengal. There is no doubt about it. We have a federal structure of Govern- All that should be resisted. We must have ment in this country but that federal stru- a strong Central Government in order to sec cture is getting weakened every time. It is that Indh; lives as one and India progresses bound to weaken further unless some steps as one. are taken to see that if necessary, the Consti- tution is amended in order to strengthen the federal idea and at the same time give more I request for some time for my friend autonOmY to the States. There have been Mr. Samar Guha. 291 Cossipore firing APRIL 14, 1969 arrd West Bengal Strike (Dis.) 292 SHRIMATI SUCHETA KRIPALANI But what was the reaction oC the State (Gonda) : Mr. Speaker, we are all very lIn- Government there? Tbe State Government happy over tbis tragic incident which has immediately started a ding-dong fight against taken place at Cossipore. It is true that the Central Government as if it was a call when this unfortunate firing took place, 5 for war. This Bandh, as I said, was no people died. It is very natural that the strike hut ... (lnterruption). I hope, after deatb of 5 workmen would arouse the fee- yesterday's experience the Communists have lings of the workers and the local people and learnt a lesson and they will allow people to they would declare a strike. There is nothing speak io,.the house in an atmosphere of peace unnatural in this. and alm.~ As far as the cause of the strike is con- This strike, to my mind, is a full dress cerned, as far as the cause oC the incident is rehearsal for the dismemberment of the concerned, my hon. Criend, Shri Dange has country. This is a dress rehearsal in order over-simplified it. We do not know much. A to have similar strikes in the rest of the probe is going into that. ACter that we will country_ have full inforrtlation. As far as we know, one thing is clear.. We knew that some The people of the country have now come trouble was brewing for a long time. Certain to realise that the Government in Bengal unions dominated by certain political parties have no Caith in our constitution and no were very anxious to bring about some trouble desire to work the constitution. They want and they were certainly creating conditions to to wreck the constitution. They want to break bring about a situation for some time. I the constitution. (Interruption) had some information about it abo",t a year back and we had asked some Questions in this A tragic, an unfortunate incident like this House and some Answers were given on the has been callously exploited by this diabolical fioor of the House in this regard. However, political party to serve their 'long. term' the firing was an unhappy incident. The call objectives. And, what are their long-term to strike is not at all unjustified; but wbat is objectives, Sir? It is, to weaken the Centre unjustified is thi s. This is a call to strike given and to bring about the collapse of the virtually by the Covemment of the West Ben- Centre. gal. Tbe call to strike was given by various trllde unions; the HMS, the JNTUC and other unions were also there. But the I would like to mention certain views most important organisation was the expressed in this regard. The CPI, in a Rasbtriya Sangram Samiti. The convenor of Resolution, said various things, congratulated the Samiti is no other than Mr. Jatin Chakra- their comrades on the success of the strike, varti, Minister Cor Parliamentary Affairs in etc. At the end, they said: the United Front Government. We find this gentleman moving about between the Unions "This mighty action is not only and the Ministry. He is both the Minister a massive protest against the bmtal in the United Front Government, as well as murders in C09siporc; it is at the same connected witb the labour union. He calls time a warning to the Central Govern- for the strike as well as tries to check it. ment to halt its authoritative drive for concentration of powers in its own Now, Sir, as soon as this incident took hands to suppress popular movements place, as soon as the call of strike was given, and to curtail the powers of the State how did the Central Government act? Governments in a situation when peo- ple of many States are no more prepared to tolerate their undemocratic and The speech DC hon. Home Minister was despotic ru Ie. " very sober. He weighed every word. He tried to see that be did not tread on the toes of anybody in Bengal. He did not try to And then, what did Mr. Jatin Chakra- accuse anybody. He said, we will institute varty, tbe Minister in the United Front an enquiry; and we will keep an open mind. Government say ? 293 Cossipore firing CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKAl and West Bengal Strike 294 (Dis.) He said this: explanation at a press conferenoe. What was the explanation? Shri Mukherjee said: They "We hope the Centre will take lessons were very kind and considerate and gave from this spontaneous demonstration of them "protection". Here is what they say. people's indignation and refrain from I will quote. What kind of protectinn did further conspiracy to embarrass the they give ? "We gave them protection by United Front Government in future and ad vising the Railways not to take the risk give a fair deal to our State by acceding of running the trains". Suppose the govern- to the demands of the West Bengal ment cannot give the protection to the Government. " householder. Then they tell all the people : Then he further said: "Please, throw all your belongings into the river so that there is no fear of theft." "Wherever we had gone. we have found This is just like that. Also he said that if the strike not only a complete success "we had allowed the trains to run, there but witnessed a firm determination of would have been blood-bath", I would the people to rise against the Centre, like to say that the whole Bundh was so well whenever such occasion will demand." organised that they have exempted certain It is from their own mouth that I am services from the strike. I quote these are, "as usual, ,hospitals, medical services, quoting to show what their intention was. II was no bandh, it was a dress rehearsal. .. ambulance milk supply services and conservancy services etc. These will AN HON. MEMBER : Which is the be outside the purview of the strike". paper ? Well, they could have also said that these services such as railways would also be outside the purview and to avoid SHRIMATI SUCHETA KRIPALANI: blood-bath, they could have given some This is from Amrit Bazar Patrika which is genuine, positive protection to the Central toeing your line very much ... (lnterruptions) services, which' they are bound to do under I would like to remind you what Shri Articles 256 and 257 of the Constitution. Namboodiripad said some time back that if they come to power, they would use the Government as a platform in their struggle Then, what did our Home Minister say ? against the Central Government'. Now today Why has he become so unpopular in the Executive Committee of the CPM has just Bengal ? He said that the state denied said as reported in the paper, that Bengal is to protection. Well, the facts proved it. Then- spearhead the struggle against the Central he said that normal life in Bengal was Government. This is very political. They paralysed and the State suffered economically less feeling so arrogant and so flushed at on that account. It is true that Bengal has their victory. Not only did they bring suffered economically because of these about a strike in Bengal, not only did they systematic strikes. These strikes are not order the Calcutta Secretariat to close down, economic strikes. They are political strikes but they ordered that the Railways should sponsored by political Parties -to serve their be closed down, ihat the airways should not political purposes ...... (/nterruptions) The work, and that post offices should not work, economic progress of the State is at a and all the Central Government offices should standstill ... (Interruptions) What was tbe not work. I think our Home Minister was comment by the Bengal Ministers on the very sober; I would say his statement was Chavan's Statement Shri Viswanath a little too mild. He should. have taken a Mukherjee and the other gentieman whose stronger line. He said that protection was good name we are hearing for the first time- denied to these officers and therefore these Shri Ghosh-said : "Mr. Chavan's statement Government servants could not function and was highly indecent and improper and his that it was their responsibility of the state statement might be taken as an unnecessary government to give them protection under intervention in the affairs of the State", Articles 256 and 257 of the Constitution. I think Shri Ghosh needs to look up in The state government has felt very annoyed dictionary the meanings of the words at this statement. 'Therefore, two State 'indecent' and 'improper'. What would be Ministers came to Delhi and gave an the result of such strikes? Even international 295 Cossipore firing APRIL 14, 1969 and West Bengal Strike 296 (Dis.) [Shrimati Sucheta KripalaniJ SHRI RANGA (Srikakulam) Mr. airways had to divert their services. You Speaker, Sir, I think praclically definition will realise what would be the impression of bas already been given when a question was the foreigners? put as to whether the Centre could be weakened. It has been weakened by the One would think that there was a Centre itself. That is the gravamen of the complete revolution in Bengal; the planes charge. My hon. friends have been saying could not land-such was the condition in that Shri Chavan is very unpopular in Bengal. They wanted deliberally 10 create West Be*'lJ. I do not know what is such an impression-it was of political move meanl by 'unpopular'. Shri Chavan ought to 10 I wanl say somelhing about the slatemenl be very popular even DOW. He was the of Shri Jyoli Basu. He has said thaI the softest-worse than the soflest. My hon. apwintment of the judicial enquiry commi- friend, Shrimati Sucheta Kripalani has ssion was an "undeclared war" on the already said that he is a little too soft, slow State. Therefore, Ihey would oppose il. and even sober. What was his slalemenl, Why ? Whenever a firing takes place a Sir ? On every occasion when he made a demand for judicial enquiry is invariably statement, it was a longer statement-stronger made. Now, here, when a judicial enquiry stalement. It went 10 such an extent that commission is appoin(ed, immediately Ihey he could only tell this in his statement. If tum apinsl il. Why? Because I suspecl I had been the Home Minister, I would not thaI there is somelhing very shady. Perhaps have wailed for this statement but I would Ihey are afraid that things would come 10 have dismissed thaI Government through light and thaI would reveal Ihal some the President. I would never have gone on conspiracy was behind this incident. ThaI referring to something that he had said in is why perhaps they are against the enquiry. November. (Interruptions). We bave been To-day Shri Jynti Basu has made their knowing you and you have been knowing political intention absolutely clear. when me. Let us listen 10 each other now the teachers met Shri Jyoli Basu, he said (Interruptions). It is nol that these friends that let us demand money from the Cenlral who have not got 10 be educated. They do Gnvernment. If the Central Government condemn our democracy as has been made does not give, we shall have to agitate. He cryslal c1ear-nol now but some decades is trying to build up an atmosphere to fight ago when my hon. friend, Shri Masani against the Cenlral Government. If they wrole hislory on Communisl Party. We were keen to give their Cooperation, I am have made it very clear; we have come ioto sure the Central Governmenl too would Ihat herilage of knowledge and scholarship give them cooperation. If they want Centre's and discovery of Ihe machinations of Ihe co-operation, the Prime Minister had already capacity of these people for perverling and called a meeting of the Chief Ministers. destroying Ihe democracy not only in this She has already indicated her desire to country but all over the world. It is by . talk to 'them so as to find out what are tbe these people-I am very glad indeed that my points of conflict between the Slate and the hon. friend Shrimati Suchetaji has made that Centre. Sbe is anxious to resolve them. speech. Why should they not have come forward to discuss these matters? That is only beciluse That is an evidence of good educa- they are not here to work the Constitution tion. It is slowly seeping inlo the but to. ranks of my friends, my erstwhile colleagues in the Congress. I would like to SHRI S.A. DANGE: Rose. (/ntermptions) know for whom she was speaking. I know it was for a very large section of the MR. SPEAKER: .order, order. May, I Congress Members Ihere, but, I am afraid, request tbe hon. Members to hear him ? He not for the Treasury Benches.' What are is not making a speech again. Ihe Treasury Bhnches, Sir? One is right, the SHRI S. A. DANGE : Sir, I want you to other is left and in between there is no enlighten us as to whether ir;l our Conslitu- fulcrum; they are going round and round. tion there is such a term as 'weakening or It is this Government which ought to lie s ~ i the Centre' and whether it is dismissed. My hon. friend, Shri Dange, defined at all ? was asking for the head of Shri Chavan. 297 Cossipore firing CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West Bengal Strike 298 ( Dis.) Shri Chavan comes from Sahyadri. But, They say that it was held by Rashtriya San- I am afraid, Sahyadri has become a new gram Samiti and all that. It was the moon, 80 soft, so moony, so curdly. so Government which was behind it. In every milky. Here is our Prime Minister. When country, wherever they got the control over will our Prime Minister get herself educated the internal affairs, the Home Ministry, they in regard to the viles and ways of the gentle- have played the same kind of game. Where is men of the Communist Party? democratic element among our friends? Is it not a fact that in this House a statement' My han. friend, Shri Dange, said that was made that violence is the midwife of Mr. Jyoti Basu has two faces. But I say revolution? They quote Marx also and he his trimurli. That is what we find here they believe in it. Do they believe in in this side of the House. Shri Jyoti Basu democracy? They want to exploit democ- is so much in this House. As you ~ racy in order to establish their proletariat anxious to see that this House would bebave dictatorship. They want to utilise the in a reasonable way, you asked me not to democratic institutions to the uttermost press my Motion. pOssible extent, to exploit our softness, for this purpose. They often quote the various principles-the Directive Principles, the What are these gentlemen out for? What Fundamental Principles, etc. My hon friend is this one· day's handh? There were so many a~ s, but this is a good bandh. It says: "you have violated the Directive Princi- ples; you have not implemented them." has done a good service to our country. I Directive p i ~ipl s are not fundamental am glad that in this they committed the principles. Our friends are interested in capital mistake of disclosing their games to destroying the fundamental rights of the peo- the enlightenment of oridinary public in our ple themselves. What to talk of directive country. principles. Directive principles are to be achieved only when we IIchieve a welfare Sir, just think for yourself. Supposing society bere with plenty of production, much by any chance the other day they had the more than what we can possibly consume in courage. the strength and also the assurances anyone year after clothing, feeding and of the East as well as the West and the others, housing our people. Have we reached that right up to the level of United Nations, and stage? We have not. on that day, on that fateful day, which my hon. friend called a historical day, they had declared independence, what woulg have been Directive principles have been incor- the fate of this Union Government? porated there advisedly, as what can be Mr. hon. friend, Shri Karan Singh, would not aimed at, not what ought to be observed here have been able to go there or send his planes. and now. Fundamental rights have got to Our Railway Minister would not have been be observed here and now, have to be pro- able to send his Railway tfllins. The postal tected here and now. Did they protect people were completely helpless. All of us them? were completely helpless. They had only not sent Shri Jyoti Basu to that particular My han. friend asked, why did they not station of All India Radio to declare to the appoint another inquiry in regard to the rest of India that they had become indepen- violation of the sanctity of our womanhood dent. They would have done it and they in Rabindra Sarovar? Why did they not do would do it tomorrow or day after. Let us it? Are our women not entitled to funda- not be foolish to think they.are not going to mental rights? Where was their respect for do it or that they are not capable of doing it. fundamental rights? Where is any respect They have done it in so many countries of for fundamental rights in Czechoslovakia, the world, not once by many times. Unfor- in Rumania, Hungry and' various other tunately, my han. friends there have not been countries? They have not respected any of realising this. That is one reason why I these things. Their only purpose in talking wanted an all-party Government there. about fundamental rights is to Ioenefit by Supposing t.here had been a Congress Party them themselves and. hold us to ransom- Minister in the Cabinet, do you think that by quoting these things and keeping our these people would have held this bandh? hands tied completely and then to cheat us 299 Cossipore /iring APRIL 14, 1969 and West Bengal Strike (Dis.) 300 [Shri Rangaj What did we do in Bihar? Did we seek all of our fundamental rights. They want to any position? Were not positions offered destroy the fundamental rights of our Consti- us? Did we accept them? Have we not tution under our very nose. They take the offered our co-operation to this Congress oath here, breach it the very next day; they Government though we dislike it very much? take oath there from the Governor, then defy Why? Because we fear these people; we him and make him eat his own words, if he consider the communist party to be a greater would be willing. Because he was not enemy thati' the inefficient Congress. willing, they want to dismiss him. If they cannot dismiss him, they insult bim. Thank you. Unfortunately, quite a number of them 17 hrs. are as well educated as myself and yourself. But then they have unlearnt what all they SHRI'A. K. SEN (Calcutta-North): While I had learnt in all the sanctum sanctora of all rise to speak, I must express our strong feelings the great universities of the world. They of regret and pain over the incident which have only retained what is being taught to has taken place and the shooting at the them either by Moscow or by Peking. Cossipore Ordnance factory where even when we had the last general strike called by the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Or by Central Government employees, in deference Washington ! to their duty to keep alive defence produc- tion at its proper level about ninety per cent SHRI RANGA : I am talking not to of the employees turned up for work. Of them, but to my friends opposite. If they the kill I happen to know one boy perso- are patriotic-I take them to be so-if they nally. He belonged to that group of swear allegiance by Mahatma Gandhi-I hope Congress people which did not see eye to that they do-if they are really keen on this eye with those who where in power in the Constitution, in protecting it and enforcing Congress. When I visited the hospital it, what they ought to do is to dismiss the yesterday only, I saw some of these bo}s Ministry in West Bengal; dismiss the other lying in their bed. I do not "ant to go into Ministry also, and then han all these the causes which led to their being wounded. communist parties (lnterruptiom)-I make no I felt a great sense of pain and grief and I bones about it-and allow only those parties wished that instead of entering into a debate to function which would swear allegiance not about the causes of the strike or opposing only to this country but would work to the strike we rushed immediately whatever protect and defend democracy. help we could muster to those families which had suffered by the death of their earning AN HON. MEMBER; Now the cat is members. I should strongly appeal to the out of the bag! Prime Minister, Home Minister and the Defence Minister who are all here. I gave SHRI RANGA : We are all wedded to this promise; because that happens to be humanism. There is no humanism in a part of my constituency, that reasonable Soviet Russia or in China or in any of those help would be given immediately for the countries by which my friends are prepared families of those who had died and for those to swear. True, they are human beings like who were still lying wounded. I am very you and 1. But have tbey accepted human glad to say that in the hospital the doctors rights as adumbrated by the UN? No. and the nurses worked day and night and it (Interruptions). is a great thing that no one has died after he In spite of the fact that quite a larse had been brought to the hospital. they have number of us never cared for any loaves and all passed the stage of danger to their lives. fishes in this victory of our friends, we had gone out of our way long allo to offer our While I say this, I also say that true to co-operation in a decent, self-respecting, our faith in the Constitlltion those who want powerful,. democratic-minded national govern- to show their disagreement with what had ment run by a national leadership not only happened or want to protest against what at the Centre but at the State level too. had happened were within tbeir rigbts to call 301 Cossipore /iring CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West Bengal Strike 302 (Dis.) a strike so long as it was peaceful and did not as a partyman-give this advice to the not end in violence. Nothing unconsti- Home Minister and to the Prime Minister, tutional can be claimed to be involved in tbat in future, when they set up an inquiry calling a strike. But what has been of great commission in a State, wbether the subject significance and which I think is responsible is entirely witbin the central sphere or not, for raising tbis controversy is tbe impression as a matter of comity of the States and the created as if the Government of the State Centre, as a matter of convention, let the was a party to the strike. The State Govern- State Government be consulted. I think it ment and the Central Government are almost will harm nobody if they are consulted, and as equal imponant limbs of the Constitution I do not think if any objection was raised to as anybody else. In a written Constitution the setting up of a Commission headed by like ours, the respective roles of the State a judge like Justice S. K. Das anybody would Government and the Central Government are bave supported any State Government which properly delineated and wberever ~ are might have objected to the setting up of frictions about the respective fields within tbis Commission. I may still tender my which tbey ought to work, tbere are ways of humble advice to tbe Home Minister resolving them. While working under the that in the drafting of the terms of Constitution the State and the Central the inquiry; may be consult tbe State Government are to co-operate with each to Government concerned. I have no doubt increase the well-being of the people of tbe that the State Government, if they are whole of this country because after all India cross in tbis respect, will not command the lives in the States and the States live within confidence of the people if they are trying to India. Therefore, it is wrong constitutionally, be difficult about the matter. If we are nationally and from the purely narrow really anxious to find out the truth about interest of the State people concerned, if I the unfortunate incident, to find out those may say so, to think of this problem in terms who are guilty if they had been guilty. and of perpetual conflict between the Central to punish tbem after the guilt has been Government and the State Government. It ascertained, then I tbink it is the duty of will be suicidal for the proper working of all of us to see that a proper enquiry is our Constitution and for the maximisation conducted and the guilty are punished and of the welfare of our people within the shor- if they are not guilty, the innocents are test possible time if we allow this conflict publicly proclaimed. to grow any further. After all, under our Constitution, we do not condemn people unheard or without I presume that the responsibility lies both proper enq uiry. Tbe Constitution guaran- with the centre and with the States as also with all the parties who are represented here tees against inquisitions. Therefore, even if the guilt of people against whom a whole in Parliament and in the States to see that no possible cause of friction is allowed to mass of passion has been roused is to be proved, it will be the duty of the State to crop up in the future. point out to all those who are arraigned before the public at least tbe minimum of I may give one instance which I think rights, a fair enquiry, and that is the would have been avoided. For instance, I minimum that the State owes, whether it is do not think there is any reasonable objection the State or the Centre, to any penon to tbe .setting up of an inquiry commission against whom any accupation is made. which has been SO promptly and properly Therefore, I congratulate the Central Govern- set up with a very well-known judge of the ment, the Home Minister and the Prime Supreme Court of the calibre of Justice S.K. Minister, and the Defence Minister in their Das wbo has conducted similar enquiries in decision to set up this Commission to find the past, but what I think I must point out, out the truth or otherwise, about the justi- the mistake wbich lies with tbe Central fication or the lack of justification, of this Government, is Dot to infonn or to consult most regrettable incident which has taken the State Government about tbis. If it is place. true that the State Government was not consulted, may I, as an individual concerned I hope that in tbis inquiry, every party with the proper working of tbe Constitution, irrespective of their mutual differences, 303 CrJSSipore firing , APRIL 14, 1969 and West Bengal Strike 304 (Dis.) [Shri A.K. Sen] days, we never thought would happen in would offer their C(H)peration in the true India, like women being molested and spirit in which we should really allow the stripped of their clothes. I do not think Commission to function. I was a little any decent party could have possibly a word concerned when I read in the papers that of support for such vandalism. If this the State Government in West Bengal will country can be proud of one thing, it is the hot offer C(H)peration to Mr. Justice S. K. respect it has given to our women. I Das. I have no doubt that under such remember em. of the commands of Shivaji circumstances a man like him would not to his army men was, "Never dishonour the enter into such an enquiry and it will Koran. Never defile the mosque. Never deprive, us of the services of a very eminent touch a woman". These are codes of judge' whose judgment in the past had evoked conduct which were not born in one day, universal approbation in such matters. but which underlined and ennobled our I remember the police enquiry at Patna civilisation for thousands of years. One where the Opposition I think was much evil hand touching a woman's honour has more loud in their approbation of his report sullied that whole current which has enlivened than even the party whioh was in power in our culture and civilisation for thousands of Bihar at that time. And, therefore, may years. If there have been more evil hands, I appeal to my learned friends who are in a it is a regrettable thing. Whichever party majority in the State Legislature in West be in power, it is its sacred duty to put a Bengal to see that at least in t\le matter of stop to such things with a firm hand. I have a judicial enquiry, we do not bring our party appealed to those who are in power in strife into the open and allow such enquiries Bengal immediately to institute a proper to be stifted in the very beginning itself. enquiry, just as what has been done in the I hope the State Government at least will case of the Cossipore incident and with the set tbe pace for the future which will seal help of the police and every decent citizen the final guarantee against the repetition of to find out the people who were responsible such unfortunate incidents. for it and punish them with a firm hand. No country can progress if law and order- Shootings have become very frequent. breaks down. This is the concern of the And whether they are justified or not, those State Government under our Constitution. who either provoke them or those who Our friends in the Communist Party resort to them ought to be told under what (Marxist) have voluntarily taken over this circumstances provocation will meet the very onerous burden of law and order in a extreme answer. Those who try to give problem State like West Bengal. It is, the extreme answer ought to be told clearly therefore, all the more necessary for them to and in absolute terms when those extreme see that law and order is maintained in such answers are to be put into action, so that a way that our production develops and our people may not provoke people unnecessarily, economy prospers. It is necessary even to particularly in defence establishment. Those bring about the much-talked of socialism, who are in charge of protecting the property which means more equitable distribution of of defence establishments ought to be told wealth and of fruits of production. We need that if lathis are a guarantee or if smaller production, because there can be no distribu- weapons are a substitute, the extreme tion of poverty. If there is nothing to distribute penalty should not be resorted to, without and everything ends in smoke, socialism will proper justification. never arrive on this soil. Even to make socialism a living thing, we must plant the Sir, it has happened almost simultane- tree of production and allow it to grow. ously and as a representative of one of the constituencies of West Bengal, I feel very concerned about it. Take this Rabindra ~ rn <'1m T'f (fwiT ~ ) Sarobar incident, about which Prof. Barua has mentioned. I was in Calcutta then and ~ ~, 71ft ~ 1fi'c lIT ~ numerous people who had gone there and .rtimr [m i~ <'rnr 'J' Now, Sir, this is a basic question. When 17.45 br•• these civilian defence workers work in defence units, they all work side by side This is my submission that if a Govern- with the military personnel. ment has preference and has declared its preference to the path 'of revolution and I wish to mention one other point in agitation, then instead of providing people this connection. Thi", has come out in the with internal peace and security to conduct papers. They say that the Army Act applies their lives and to conduct their occupations only to those people in active service. Those in a peaceful manner which they are entitled who are not in active service do not come to in a democracy, they are committed to within the purview of the Army or Military creating chaos' which is a very dangerous Act and therefore they wanted that those thing in our country. three DSC persons responsible for firing should be handed over to the State Gover- Finally I want to know what the United ment. It is well-known-It is a well-known Front Government means when they say that fact that all the service personnel fall within the Central Government did not consult the purview of the Army Act so long as they them. On other matters, I would have been are on duty. If a man were to go out of in full agreement with them. But did they the precincts of the military station and he consult the Central Government when they were to commit ...... (lnterrujJtion) declared the bandh? Of course, a bandh is not an uncommon thing in Bengal. There was a AN HON. MEMBER: It is not so in bandh when Dr. B. C. Roy was there over the Army Act. the Assam-Bengali question. But it was not MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I would sponsored by the Government. Here openly request the hon. Member to address the this bandh was sponsored by the Government. Chair. One cannot have dialogue with any- This is the main difference. other Member. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Now there SHRIMATl SHARDA MUKERJEE: I should be a speech handh. was saying that such a man would come within the purview of the Army Act, if he MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, was on duty. That is the point. He need order. not be on active service. Active service means those people who go to the front. He SHRIMATl SHARDA MUKERJEE: need not go to the front. These are quibbles Shri Banerjee does not like to listen to these which they have found out ...... things. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I would Lastly 1 would only urge the Ceneral request the hon. Member to conclude her Government that both .the Constitution and speech. the country have given them enough authority SHRIMATl SHARDA MUKERJEE : to see that they safeguard the interest of the This Morning also we have read in the papers people wherev(r they may be-whether in about the call of Shri Jyoti Basu for agitation Bengal or Telengana or any other part of the in case the Central Government does n.ot country. In the final analysis, just Consti- 317 Cossipo,e /i,illg CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West Bengal Strike 318 (Dis.) tutional provisions are insufficient, if they are people demanded a public inquiry. I advised not exercised fully. While the Central Govern- him: "No need of an inquiry. Proceed ment must exercise all their authority, the against the people for murder charges and State Governments would also have to under- prosecute them. If there is a public inquiry, stand that there is an overriding authority of those people will escape". the Central Government which they cannot defy. Lastly, they must learn to live within It will only procastinate them. Similarly, the precincts of the Constitution which, this West Bengal Government also thought that case, is the constitution of a Parliamentary in this case there was no need of a public Democracy. enquiry to find out facts. But, it is necessary to hunt the culprits and give them SHRI P. RAMAMURTI (Madurai) : Mr. the punishment that is due to them. There- o.;puty-Speaker, sir, I do not know why the fore, the police were ordered immediatley sponson of this move wanted a discussion 'on to hunt them. Even an order was given to this subject unless it means that they wanted them to search any place wilhout a warrant to have their usual Communist baiting. ; I in order to arrest these people. Already three can very well understand the outpourings of hundred people have been arrested and the Shri Ranga and tbe Jan Sangh because they cases are going on aod they are going to be found that they could not go to the people of prosecuted. Therefore to talk of an enquiry West Bengal. When they went to the people into the""". ,,(Interruptions). of West, Bengal, the entire people rejected them outright. Not being able to go to the SHRI SHIVAJI RAO S. DESHMUKH people of West Bengal, out of sheer frustra- (Parbhani) : Did you arrest the Minister? tion, they thought that the Parliamentary (Interruptions) forum can be used for the purpose of ejecting a Government which bas been elected by the overwhelming majority of the people of West SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: What have Bengal. you done with regard to Ma harashtra Govern- ment? I will now come to some of the arguments that have been raised. Since mostly my SHRI P. RAMAMURTI : We all deplore Party has been attacked, you will bear with that wbat happened in the Rabindra Sagar me if I will answer some of the points that is something shameful and nobody expected have been raised. that. That was someting that took place unexpectedly. In a cultural show a thing of this type was going to happen was oot 17.49 brs. expected by any body. There some thing happened suddenly where some goondas [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair 1 were mixed up with common people unfortunately. It is a place which can Firstly, it is stated why this Government accommodate only 5,000 whereas 10,000 did not have an inquiry over the Ravindra tickets had been issued by the organi- Sarovar incident '? Well, [ was present zers. And a lot of poeple were remaining on that day. I was slttmg in my outside, The police itself had to resort to house in the Central Committee Office teargas continuously for every hour over which is a few yards from there. The these people. I myself had to suffer by the next day we discussed the whole question. I use of that tear-gas by the police, It all said there is bothing to inquire into and happencd there. And afterwards, they had what is needed is action against goondas started hunting the culprits and prosecuting because what a shameful thing was it that them vigorously. that is all I would say. happened there? There are no two versions about that. Nobody says that women were not molested. There are no two venions SHRI N.K, SOMANI (Nagaur): Do about i ~ o the malevolent thing that bas you know that 26 women are still missing? happened there. On this I gave the same advice which I gave to the Madras Chief SHRI P. RAMAMURTI: We shall Minister on the Kilmani incident when some find it out. 319 Cossipor. firing APRIL 14, 1969 and West Bengal Strike 320 (Dis.) [Shri P. Ramamurtil the police officers, they came to the conclu- The Qext point that I would like to say sion that it was a case of a downright cold- is this. After the speech of Shri Asoke Sen- hlooded murder. And after the investigation I did not expect such a speech fro;" Shri Sen- under the law of the land under the Criminal but I was expecting from him that he would Procedure and the Penal o s ~ have use that opportunity to attack us coming decided to charge these people for the murder. from the constituency in which this happened- Now the question arises. everpbody knows what the feelings of the people of West Bengal are. He had been Whr is it that the Government of India away but only recently he came. He knows within 1wb days rush to appoint a Commis- what the feelings of West Bengal people are. sion of Inquiry? They were not anxious to In fact he expressed his sympathy for the appoint a Commission of Inquiry in Indra- people. I do not want to go into the whole prastha Bhavan; they were not anxious to of the incidenf. What happened in Cossi- appoint a Commtssion of Inquiry when pore was something ghastly. That news shooting took place in Pathankot. But, here, spread throughout West Bengal. About fifty when they knew that the Government of West thousand people had gathered there inclu- Bengal had charged the persons concerned there ding those of the trade union organisation with murdes, it is precisely at that time the as also the INTUC. of the Congress Party. Government of India are over-anxious to When they found that feeling among the appoint a Commission of Inquiry. We consi- people, they have got to givent to their dered the whole question in 1967 when we feelings. And so they asked them to arrange were there, when our party was there a long an orderly protest. That is all that has with others, and when there was a simi lar happened there. case. In that case the High Court of Calcutta Now a question that is raised here is said : .. When you have charged the people this. 'What is the attitude of the West with cases and the cases are going on in the Bengal Government in this regard?' Here High Court, and simultaneously if you appoint I want to make it absolutely clear that the a Commission of Inquiry and if that Commi- moment we become Ministers we do not ssion of Inquiry proceeds with it, then we will divest ourselves from the masses of the people. hold it as contempt of the Court:' This is That may be the philosophy _of the Congress the decision of the Calcutta High Court and Party. But. as far as our Party is concerned- therefore we considered the question whether as far as we, in the United Front, are to stop the cases or to go ahead .with it. It conceaned, we do not get ourselves was felt that these gruesome murder could not divest-from the people-we understood go without such an action. their feelings. Therefore, the next day, the West Bengal Government, after Shri Asoke Sen said that no man should the call for a Bandh was given by the be hanged without being heard. There is Rashtriya Sangram Samiti, asked them to no question of hanging here. They are given observe the hartal peacefully. That is all every opportunity and it is not that they are I can say. We have full sympathy for these not heard. Afterwards, if it becomes necessary, people. If, in their anger, the people were we can appoint a commission of Inquiry. Only perfectly at liberty to express their anger by with that understanding the Government of doing a certain thing, something is made West Bengal proceeded. Why is it that the about it. The Centre-State relation is made Government of India, immediately after that, out of that and throughout West Bengal. took this decision of appointing a Commission When the firing took place, immediately the of Inquiry and announced it here, and then told Police Commissioner sent his Deputy Cammi- the Government of West Bengal to cooperate ? ssioner with a number of police men-police It is more or less an order. In fact, both oflieers-they all went there after about an the Governments have the right to appoint a hour when the people were not admitted and Commission of Inquiry under the Commission the army officers -refused to admit the people of Inquiries Act. Had Mr. Chavan or the illside the factory. But, ultimately, the Government of India consulted the West police officers were allowed to come in after Bengal Government, they would have pointed Shri Basu had gone there and asked them mit the difficulties. Both the Governments to let them in. And after investigation by could have had a discussion and all the 321 Cossipore firing CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West Bengal Strike 322 (Di•. ) fact could have been gone iDtO. EveD if a not. On the other hand, in Andhra Commission of Inquiry has got to be appoin- Pradesh, at the time of Steel Plant agitation, ted, there could be an understanding. Even which everybody knows was sponsored by the this elementary courtesy of consulting the West Government itself, how many crores of Bengal Government is not there and that too, rupees of Central Government's property after the protest by Mr. Joyti Basu. Imme- were destroyed ? During the recent Shiv Sena diately after the speech here, Mr. Jyoti Basu agitation crores worth of Central Govern- said that the law and order is a State subject ment's property were destroyed. though he might not have understood every- thing stated here. The elementary courtesy 18 hour. demanded that the Government of India should consult the West Bengal Government In the Telengana agitation, it is not a in this matter. No consultation was there. fact that railway stations have been burnt It has been done this way : "we have appoin- down? Did you charge them with having ted a Commission of Inquiry; we have got failed to give adequate protection to central the right to do it and you have got to obeY." property? Here was a Government which, after all, had not refused to give protection. Is this the kind of cooperation that you When the postal authorities wrote to the expect? I can give instances after instances. West Bengal Government, the latter said You talk of cooperation, but actually you ask 'We are prepared to give protection, but the people to accept whatever you do. Take, unfortunately on that day since there is a for instance, Durgapur. Why is it that in one West Bengal Bandh, we want to prevent factory there is trouble, whereas in the other trouble anywhere and our forces will be factory, the Durgapur Steel Alloy factory deployed throughout the State; therefore, we where also the same Union is holding the will not be able to give enough protection if majority position you don't have any trouble trouble comes. So you decide on that'. for the last two years? Since the Commission- The postal authorities then decided that it is ing of the factory, the production schedules better to close down. have been kept up there and everything there is going smoothly, This is a matter Similarly, as far as the railways were which has to be enquired into. Mr. Jyoti concerned, there was no written correspon- Basu had told the Home Minister: "this I.P. denee. The General Manager phoned up S. Officer who is on the West Bengal Cadre is Shri lyoti Basu and he replied, 'I am prepa- not able to enforce discipline among the red to give some protection, but it may noL. security people; we will take him back and be adequate because the people's anger is you appoint anyone who will be able to en- terrific ...... (lnterruptions) How can you under- force discipline there." Not even a reply was stand the people's anger? Here was Shri sent to that letter. What happens there? A. K. Sen who understood the people's anger This man is called here and is told to go back and had to make that apologetic speech and resume charge of his work. The courtesy (Interruptions). How can you understand of replying to a letter was not there. What the people when you are divorced from the has happened today? Is that man able to en- people? (Interruptions). force the discipline? After this man has gone, Mr. Wadhera, the manager, has asked the All that the Government said as 'This West Bengal Government to send the police is our posItion. Do you want to run the in order to enforce discipline there railway trains'? Afterwards, the railway and' the West Bengal Government has authorities themselves informed Shri Jyoti sent the poliee Force there. It is not that Basu that they were not going to take out the West Bengal Government refuse to the trains and the trains would stop outside cooperate. the Bengal border... This is what has happ- ened. Then, the question is raised that the West Bengal Government did not give protection Therefore, it is not a question of refusal, to the Railways. I would like to know : was as some people wanted to make out. It is a there any attack by anybody on a single question of the possibility of giving adequate ounee of Government's property. Absolutely protection in the face of the people's anger 323 Cossipore /iring APRIL 14, 1969 and West Bengal Strike (Dis.) 324 [Shri P. Ramamurti] SHRI P. RAMAMURTI : There is no if they insisted on the railway train services question of in pursuance of duty. He has to operating. prove it. Therefore, there was nothing wrong in What is 'active service' ? that. When you are not prepared to take action against the Government of Andhra for all the destruction of property that has Only 1'hen he is in active service and he taken place, when you were not prepared to commits ,,' nlUrder or some of these things, take action in Assam in connection with will he be tried by court-martial; otherwise, what happened ihere in 1960, or even in West he will be tried by the ordinary law of the Bengal when there was an agitation there land_ in 1960 with the blessings of Dr. B. C. Roy and no trains could run, why talk differently Section 3 defines 'active service'. It in this case ? After, all you have to says: understand the particular circumstances in which a thing has ~pp . "active service' as applied to a person subject to this Act, means the time during Therefore, all this talk of Centre-State which such person- co-operation when the Central Government has refused even to treat the State Government as a partner in running a State, when it "(a) is attached 10, or forms part of, a wants to impose its dictate on that Govern- force which is engaged in operations ment, will not be possible to achieve. against 3n m ~ One hon. member was talking about the (b) is engaged in military operations in, Army Act. I have it before me. These or is on the line of march to a people bave been charged with murder. country or place wholly or partly What does sec. 70 of the Act say ? occupied by an enemy, or "A person subject to this Act who (c) is attached to or forms part of a commits an offence of murder against force which is in military occupation a person not subject to military, naval of a foreign country ...... " or air force law, or of culpable homicide not amounting to murder against such a person or of rape in relation to such a I would like to know on what active person, shall not be deemed to be service were they. Were the people the guilty of an offence against this Act"- enemy against whom they were on active service? Do you consider the workers to he shall be deemed to have committed an be your enemies against whom these people offence under the ordinary Penal Code- were on active service ? " ...... and shall not be tried by a court- When the West Bengal Government martial, unless he commits any of the requested the Government of India to hand said offences- over those people to the police to be dealt with according to law, this Government has (a) while on active service, or not even got the courtesy of replying to it. And still it wants, and talks of, co-operation. (b) at any place outside India, or When this Government talks of co-operation but refuses to hand over the rifles for being (c) at a frontier post specified bylhe sent for examination by ballistic experts in Central Government by notification furtherance of the case against them, this in tbis behalf." Government is actually obstructing the due process of law. Yet it is the same Govern- SHRIMATI SHARDA MUKERJEE ment which says that it wants tbe co-opera- II was in pursuance of duty. tion of the States. 32S Cossipore firing CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) and West ikngal Strike 326 (Dis.) I understand this. There is a conflict of SHRIMATI SHARDA MUKERJEE: class policies. In the Indraprastha Bhavan When the Home Minister replies, he should people were being butchered and beaten up clarify the point about the duty of the security unlawfully. What is the action taken against guards. If they are asked to fire and if they those persons? Nothing. But here is another do so they cannot be accused of murder. type of Government which says: whether he is an officer or an ordinary person, if he commits murder, he will be equal before the SHIU S. M. BANERJEE: She was never law and he will be dealt with according to in active service ... (Interruptions.) law. It is the Government which wants to respect the life of the common people and wants to take action against the offenders who MR. SPEAKER: Let us not lose time. are accused of murder, whatever be their The debate has gone on well; let us conclude status. There'ore, it is a different policy., It is it the same way. a conflict of two different policies-one policy of protecting the officials and the big business interests in this country so that they could go lilT ~ lfu: ~ ~) : arOl:f&r scatfree whatever be the crimes committed by them and the other policy of using even the i ~, fOR ~ f ~ i ;r arr;;r ~ present ·Constitution and law and indict those ~~~ ~~~~ ~ 'ffl" persons when they transgress the law of the f~~ ~ "Ii[ ~ ~ land. That is where the conflict comes. I ask 'ffl" 'lli'f the Government of India even now to think a i ;~i ~~ ;ram: ~ ij; hundred times. I can understand the array ij; arfuftiRr ~ ~ lTllT ~ fif' "lffia it of forces here: Jan Sangh, Swatantra and the Congress. This is the shape of things to come mw-r m~ ~ ~ 3f'f.r ~ m ~ ~ I but my point now is different. If you attempt ~ amrr ~ fif' ~ ~ ~~" f to do this kind of thing, you will be ~ ~ f ~ ~ 1 challenging the entire people of West Bengal I it arr;;r w .. .(Interruptions.) i ~ ~fi fll ~ ~ ~ ~ MR. SPEAKER: Order, Order. This is not a bazar. arr;;r eft ~ ~ or"",,," if'T ~ I m~ ~ ij; ~ 'R 3N': ~~ il . ~ SHRI P. 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W ~ ~ ~ lPl <'!Wi it m~ ;n;l it ~ :T~ 1IW ~l ~ I 'Ff <'!Wi i't ~~ I ~ ~i ,1f;iT ~~ ~ fot; aner ~ 3lT'f.t ~ 3lm1Wf fW ~ f'li".n ~T ~ t rn? f'li" I ~ ~ ifTCf ~ 'Ti I f "~ f~ f'f>1IT 'Pn" ~, arlf<: ~ 'Ilo.fi rn mm <£tm;r 'I>'t ~ f i't ~ fot; 'flIT ~ ~ T lITU it arm ~ eft ~ ¥RT [m ~o ~o ;;frot] (f'fl'r if [Shri Swaran Singh] Government Defence employees were involved; legal opinion that (i) the Defence Security this happened inside the Defence factory, and personnel are subject to the Army Act and I read about it only from the Press statement. (ii) they are deemed to be on active service Is that the courtesy about which the hon. by virtue of this Notification, This members are talking? We talk of law and Notification has never been withdrawn. With order. What is law and order? all these facts, it is a duty cast upon me to ensure that they are dealt with accordingly, SHRI p. RAMAMURTI rose not according to, what they call, the whims Shri Swaran Singh: Let me finish. of the people or other things. Therefore, we should carefully examine these matters before SHRI P. RAMAMURTI : A teleprinter we m~ io these points. message was sent to you. I know this. (Interruptions) A great deal has been said that I did SHRI SW ARAN SINGH: They say not consult them. Now, Mr. Speaker, with that I should have gone down to Calcutta. your permission, I would like to place my As I said, some one could go down. But self before this House.' Here is a case with all this, I should say, 'tamaasha' of in which the Central Govenment servants, bundhs, which is very costly to the country on either side. are involved. Here is a case ( Interruptions) they expect us to show in which the incident has taken place inside courtesy. All that I know is that this is the Factory and those unfortunate persons a matter which has to be gone into. There who lost their lives and those who have been are laws, there are procedures. For instance, injured or fired upon, all of them. are it might be a surprise (Interruptions) to my Government servants. I use the words friends on the Opposite that even according used by Mr. Ramamurti and others. Does to law it is not the concern of the Govern- any courtesy require that a person who is ment to ask for any accused if he is vitally interested in these people should be subject to Army Act; it is only the court the first person to be informed? Is this the which takes cognizance that can ask that the manner in which you want this incident to person should be handed over, and thereafter be dealt with? Am I to form an attitude if the commanding Officer does not agree, only from the press report? Am to be then a reference has to be made to the informed only through these reports ? Central Government and the Central Govern- ment's decision in that respect is to be final. I do not know how to deal with them, These are matters of law. I did not want because they make a request and on pressure to enunciate all that because I wanted the from their own Government, they want to courts to look into this aspect. I want to resile from that just as they resiled from appeal to the hon. members not to use this their original attitude that they took about forum to straighten out legal aspects. There holding judicial inquiry. So, I would like. are courts of law, there is the High Court, most emphatically, to say that still we do not there is the Sessions Court, there are magis- want that this discussion should take place trates. and they will certainly look into it. through proxy; I do not want that there This is not the proper forum to air legal should be public statements about there views which may be half-baked and which attitude ... may not be quite correct. I would like to say that it is OUr intention to work strictly SHRI S.M. BANERJEE You go to according to law, strictly according to the Calcutta (Interruptions). Constitution. It is in that spirit that we are approaching this. I would renew my appeal SHRI SWARAN SINGH: We are pre- that we should view this matter in this pared to discuss these matters, but in all spirit that whereas their scope of jurisdiction humility I would like to remind this hon. has to be respected, the scope of jurisdiction House that courtesy works· both ways. Was and the authority of the Central Government the courtesy due to me or the Central have also to be respected. When we talk Government shown? I should have been the of Jaw and order, law and order is not just first man to be informed of that. Here was arresting the people, law and order is not a law and order matter in which the Central punishing people ... (llIterruptions). 341 C ossipore firing CHAITRA 24, 1891 {SAKA) and (Vest Bengal Strike 342 {D is.) SHRI UMANATH Law and order is about the inquiry commission to be appointed shooting people. by the Government of India and I think on that point, the Defence Minister has given SHRI SWARAN SINGH : Law and very able reply to all the points raised on order is giving protection to uphold law. that side. The other part is about my state- All that I can say is that I feel concerned ment made on ‘Bengal Bundha’. over this excitement because law and odrer is a much more serious matter and it should 1 can very well understand both the not be laughed away. extremes. Some people say that this is not a decent statement, therefore, I should be SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Doctor, dismissed. There was the other extreme treat thyself. that it is too soft a statement. Therefore, I should be dismissed. (^Interruptions). SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I will cere- Unfortunately for them and fortunately for tainly treat myself. I know that you are me, none of them has got this power to perhaps incurable. dismiss me. Therefore, I had the least intention to The point remains that I should certainly accentuate this sort of tension, but imagine say what exactly the purpose of my statement a responsible government leader, howsoever was. The statement contains three different well informed he may be, in a criminal case, parts. The first part concerns with the making a statement that this story is fictitious narration of facts, as to what happened and or that story is fictitious, if the Press reports I do not think that any one here has ques- are correct. This is absolutely unheard of tioned the objective and narration of facts that a man who is in charge of law and as such. Has anybody disputed the fact that order should, before the case is tried by a the communication system was not allowed court of law, say that the man is guilty, he to function properly ? It is correct or incor- should be hanged and so on. rect ? We said about the civil aviation. We said about the general stoppage of work That is just not done. We are wedded in the State. I have also said that the to work the law. We are wedded to work ‘bundh’ was more or less peaceful. the Constitution. It is in this spirit that we should approach the question. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR (Peerwade) : ‘Bundh’ was meant for that. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : Mr. Speaker, SH R I Y . B. C H A V A N ; I k n ow . It Sir...... was ment for that. S H R I S. M . BANERJEE : This is SHRI M. N. REDDY (Nazamabad): i ‘Tamasha No. 2’. have a point of order. The Home Minister has made a statement on his own about the MR. SPEAKER : I would appeal to the ‘B undh’...... hon. Members. You may not agree with the Home Minister’s views. I do not expect you MR SPEAKER : What is your point of to agree with his views nor can he agree with order ? your views. But I would appeal to you to hear him patiently. I appeal to Mr. Joytir- SHRI M. N. REDDY : ♦* moy Basu in particular to hear the Minister Patiently. If I cannot control one Jyotirmoy MR. SPEAKER : Nothing to be taken Basu, it is difficult to control 285 of them on down. What he has said will not go on this side. record. SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : The discussion From the morning you are doing it. The can be divided into two parts. One was proper procedure is to give notice of a ** Not recorded. 343 Cossipore firing APRIL 2,.,., 1969 and Wes, Bengal Strike (Dis.) [Mr. Speaker1 SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: He has also motion and then discuss it. But this way informed me. But merely informing does of disturbing will not be tolerated. I am not help. He raised a debate here, he made all going to tolerate it. I know Telangana. sorts of allegations and criticisms and then You are every time trying to embarrass me. completely disappeared. Now, my poin t is The proper way is to give notice and ask this. He said about the criteria and he for a discussion. asked: What is the crit:ria for proportionate and disproportionate reaction? He tried SHRI M. N. REDDY: I have given. to ask me ~l a is the criteria for propor- tionate and disproportionate action. Sir, MR. SPEAKER : I have not seen it the sense of proportion is not a mathemati- till th.is minute. I do not know if you have cal proposition. Sense of proportion is not given a proper notice. Because it is Telan- something which can be calculated in gana, don't think that it is your privilege to terms of statistics. Sense of proportion is a get up and shout. common sense proposition; whether one should act in a particular way or not. SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: Sir, I was Certainly I can understand; if the working mentioning the facts whieh were mentioned in class people of that very factory had gone on the Statement itself. Nobody has questioned strike: If the working class of Calcutta the correctness of facts. city go on strike that day, I can understand it. But, organising with the blessing of the Now, the second part is relating to the administration, a complete handh all over justification for the stoppage of work in the the State, I must humbly submit, is some- State as a whole. That is not a criticism of thing different. Unnecessarily politics has any Government as such. But I must certainly been brought into this matter. If it is done characterise the actIOn that was taken as by any other Government, even Congress something that was disproportionate. Government, I would certainly say that it is equally disproportionate reaction or wrong I can very well understand that as four or method. I have no doubt about it. five persons died in the firing, there was some resentment in the minds of workers. There was resentment in the minds of people also. The second part of my statement is regard· I can understand all that. Nobody is lagging ing the justification for this general strike or behind them in expressing regret for the general bandh. Was it justifiable or not? There dead and sympathy for the persons concer- is nothing of politics in it. whether it is a ned, particularly the working-class people, communist government, or a non--communist and if some persons die as a result of firing, government, let me make my point clear. everybody is sorry for it. Nobody can say that he is glad about it. We do accept a position that in this country it is quite possible-and we see it But, the point is this. What is the now as a matter of reality-that there will method of protest and what is the magnitude be State Governments of different complexions of the protest? In regard to what I have and there will be a Central Government o~ said, I would like to stand by every word in different complexion. That is a reality. We.ich that statement. This method of dispropor- not want to under-estimate things. We J; to tionate reaction to such incidents and to live with it. All of us have to live W)strictly stopping the general work of the State as a I must say, even the State Government.... the whole is something, the wisdom of which I to live with the reality that a Conlo are certainly doubt. And, I do not want to Government is there at the Centre. If anybo ...1 withdraw a single word of what I have stated feels that the State can dictate ... about it. I would like to stand by it. AN. HON. MEMBER: Bully The hon. Member, Shri Dange conveni- ently makes speeches criticising others and SHRI. Y. B. CHAVAN: I won't say then disappears when replies are given. bullying. I say dictata. I don't want to use SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: He has to go any wrong expression but if the State feels to the meeting. He has informed everybody. that they can dictate and the Centre will V 345 Cossipore firing and West CHAITRA 24, 1891 (SAKA) Import o f Yarn by 346 Bengal Strike (Dis.) S. T. C. (//. A. H. Dis.) take the dictation tliey are mistaken. I do trying to take any partisan view in this matter. not think the Central Government will justify That statement only underlines the importance the support of this honourable House if it of the issues that are likely to come up does that. Hon. Members sitting here in this between the Centre and the States-.. House should not merely try to represent the State Government here. Their responsibi lity is also to represent us in various States. ^ ^ w am fer- ? That is where the third part of the statement comes. The third part of the state SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : You are merely ment gives the Constitutional aspect of the asking for assurance here and there. Kindly position. I have mentioned two Articles—256 see the seriousness of the problem that we and 257. If you see these Articles—I do not are facing. It is not a question of giving want to quote all the parts—really speaking assurances. Every Party, every Member of they relate to administrative relations bet this honourable House must think seriously ween Centre and States. As a matter of fact, of the problems that are likely to come up if I have understood these Articles cofrectly, and help the Government with an attitude these two Articles embody the spirit of of co-operation.. .{Interruptions) cooperative federalism embodied in the Constitution, namely, in what manner State SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : You are Executive power should be employed or exer using this forum to do propaganda against cised. It should be so exercised that the ex the State Government. ecutive power of the Centre is not obstructed. (^Interruptions). Now in this matter, where 18. 55 hrs was politics on our side ? We do not mind if the Communist Party wants to function HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION within the Constitution, let them have their own special programme, whatever it is and I m p o r t O f Y a r n B y S t a t e T r a d in g they are certainly free {Interruptions) to impl C o r p o r a t io n ement it. But they want to have it both ways. If the Constitutional law suits or helps them, [SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD in the they will certainly refer to Constitutional law, Chair] ' if it does not help them, they want to have bandh. This cannot be allowed to exist. There fore, the problem is very simple. I do not want to say anything which will unnecessarily 'Tf^ % 3TTqr^ % ^ ^ ^ create a wrong impression or wrong atmosph 843 % 2 sr^, 1969 ere. We have said that these are very fundam ental issues, not only on this particular occa T?r ^ if sirrTTT sion; but this shows a new trend that is likely ^«TT ^ ^ f e n STT to develop and therefore it raises serious rf Jf 31T3T ^ issues. We have not given any opinion on that. We propose to discuss these issues with the leaders of the West Bengal Government because we want to stand by our commitment and whatever be the complexion of the State anrf f ^ ^ Government whether it is red, black or white, ^ I I ^ whatever it is we certainly want their cooper ation. As the Constitution has given us man % ^ «TT qr# ^ date similarly Constitution has given them STT ^ mandate. But one must see that the mandates work within the framework of the Constitu ^ JTJTT I960 % tion. There is one thing I have to say. If =PT I sftr 1969 if 30% Hon. Members are angry about my statement, 3n% ^ 10 I would request them not to just get angry. That statement does not mean that we are 3 TT 'T p I ^ 347 Import of Yarn APRIL 14. 1969 by (H. A. H. 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