SCOUTS-L ---------- BOY SCOUT CAMPS Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 23:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Bowman" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Length of Summer Camp To: Keith Kaiser <[email protected]> Keith, Over the years I've been to a few camps. The data is what I can recall. Some of it goes back as many as 30 years, but still remains unchanged as the camps have kept pretty much the same schedules: Camp Hahobis Pacific Harbors Council 6 days/6 nights Camp Cullom Crossroads of America Council 6 days/6 nights Camp Kiwanias Crossroads of America Council 6 days/6 nights Ransburg Scout Res. Crossroads of America Council 6 days/6 nights Cary Camp Sagamore Council 6 days/6 nights Camp Buffalo Sagamore Council 6 days/6 nights Camp Crossland Sagamore Council 6 days/6 nights Anthony Wayne Sct Res Anthony Wayne Area Council 6 days/6 nights Camp Marriot National Capital Area Council 7 days/7 nights Camp Olmstead National Capital Area Council 7 days/7 nights Camp Bowman National Capital Area Council 7 days/7 nights Camp Ross (Webelos) National Capital Area Council 6 days/6 nights Camp PMI (Webelos) National Capital Area Council 6 days/6 nights Lenhoksin Trail National Capital Area Council 7 days/7 nights Camp Yawgoog Narragansett Council 6 days/6 nights Camp Rock Enon Blue Ridge Council? 6 days/6 nights Owasippe Scout Res. Chicago Area Council 6 days/6 nights* * One of its camps, but can't remember the name. Not sure of times for other camps on the same reservation. Hope this helps you out. Yours in Scouting, Michael F. Bowman, a/k/a Professor Beaver Deputy District Commissioner Exploring, GW Dist., NCAC, BSA Speaking only for myself, but with Scouting Spirit . ____ [email protected] ____ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 11:12:56 -0500 From: "Brian L. Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: Local Council Camps X-To: SCOUTS-L%[email protected] To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L <SCOUTS- L%[email protected]> I just returned from Wood badge (at Philmont) and while there, several of us were discussing this list. A fellow Eagle had a pretty good idea - Compile a Camp Directory of all the various Councils and post it back to the list (either in FAQ form or perhaps something else). Basically, it was felt that many people were unaware of the resources of councils right next door, and thus could not make plans to camp in other councils, even though they were easily accessible, and had unique opportunities. So, that being said, I would like to compile a list of camps, by council, and include the types of programs offered at each camp. I think this resource would be valuable to all of us. If you are interested in helping, please send a list and description of the camps you council has available. Include a short description of the programs offered, as well as your personal comments and opinions of each camp. If possible, inlcude the telephone number of your local council as well. I will post periodic updates to the list as they occur. Send your submissions to either of the addresses provided below under the subje ct line: Summer Camp List Used to be an Eagle... -- | Brian L. Davis Internet: [email protected] | | Richardson, Tx Compuserve: 72600,2721 | From mfbowman Tue Jul 19 00:28:51 1994 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Bowman" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Local Council Camps The Order of the Arrow in the Northeast Region published a booklet entitled "Northeast Region, Boy Scouts of America, Directory of Local Council Camps and Outdoor Facilities" which includes long term resident camps, high adventure sites, and camps in Europe. This Northeast Regional listing includes Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Parts of Northern Virginia, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands and Transatlantic Areas. You can probably obtain a copy by writing to: Douglas C. Fullman Associate Regional Director/Program Northeast Region Boy Scouts of America P. O. Box 350 Dayton, New Jersey 08810-0350 Yours in Scouting, Michael F. Bowman, a/k/a Professor Beaver Deputy District Commissioner Exploring, GW Dist., NCAC, BSA Speaking only for myself, but with Scouting Spirit . ____ [email protected] ____ From: [email protected] (Ian Ford) To: [email protected] Subject: Thanks Date: Sun, 16 Jul 95 20:48:14 BST > >Ian, > >Well after some delay, I've finally posted a packet to you with the pogs. Hi Mike ! Thank you for the POGs and other goodies. I am looking forward to reading your paper. I've just returned from Summer Camp where I found myself SM of a provisional troop of seven kids from two troops. They are Air Force troops and several of their leaders had their leave cancelled at short notice. It worked out fairly well, despite having to scratch around for equipment etc., and we even madew Honor Troop on two days. The Camp Director said that we will probably offer a Provisional Troop next year on a formal basis. I think I would like a weekend with the kids, or at least a pre-camp meeting of all the youngsters and leaders. Before camp I did the Ordeal for OA ... That was a very interesting experience. I had actually been nominated twice before , but the previous DE had blocked it because of my nationality. This year I was nominated both by both the troop and the district ! Our new DE realises that the only way the BSA can run a program in Europe is with active host national support. This year was our first as " Baden-Powell High Adventure Camp " and we offered sailing , board-sailing, spelunking, mountain biking, climbing and rapelling , weaseling, kayaking and Canadian canoeing. The instruction was by a combination of BSA adults , British Sea Scouts, campsite staff and local professional instructors. The Camp Warden (ranger) Roy is a great character ... ex special forces and an expert " scrounger " ... if you want something Roy has it or knows somebody who does. Unlike the traditional BSA Ranger the site staff are involved in instruction as well as maintenance. They run the obstacle course and climbing tower. The obstacle course is great fun and <very> muddy - if there is not enough "natural" mud they supplement it with a fire hose. The campsite itself is not geared to the BSA style of summer camp program, but we have managed to work with the crew to improve the facilities. This year we managed to aquire several freezers from a US base that was closing down , which made the Commissary operation easier, and also some washing machines and driers. The service crew will be installing them in one of the buildings near the pool and we will have a better laundry facility next year. For the three weeks of camp we take over the training centre. The Camp Director moves into the County Commissioner's office ( complete with executive desk and flag stand ) and the Program Director , High Adventure Director and Commissioners take over the library. It seems to work out OK. More later ... YiS Ian Ford Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:59:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Bowman" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Camp Closing Policy Bert, Fear of losing camps and misunderstandings are potent causes of such rumors. We went through the same strategic planning process here and considered using some local private camps, state park facilities, etc. for a training and activities site, eventually deciding that the best bet was to repurchase a Camp that had been sold about thirty years back. Each Council faces a lot of hard questions about how to make the outdoors program a reality with eroding United Fund support, etc. Each has to find the best alternative and for some it may not be viable to keep a camp if the burden is to high. Some will also find the only viable means is to acquire additional property. The best thing I can recommend is to involve yourself in the strategic planning process by contributing constructive ideas. Public trusts, conversion of property to government held parkland with perpetual rights to use, rental of camp facilities for conferences and events, are all within the realm of possibility, if a camp is not able to be fully funded. I think you will find that most want to keep Camp properties and improve them and likely will not resort to sale until it is the last and only resort. And this is not new. In Sagamore Council 20 years ago the Council acquired a larger property to develop to avoid running three separate summer camps. Anthony Wayne Council about 30 years ago acquired a 1200 acre reservation to service growing membership and planned the sale of Camp Big Island, which was destroyed totally by a Tornado in its last year of operation. The list of acquisitions and consolidations has been pretty steady through the years. The need to constantly evaluate and consider the best alternatives is not necessarily bad, but it does hurt to see a camp close where you had fond childhood memories. Speaking only for myself in the Scouting Spirit, Michael F. Bowman DDC-Training, GW Dist. Nat Capital Area Council [email protected] Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:32:58 -0500 From: Ed Henderson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Scout Camp Fees For 96 Req. For Info. At Camp Thunder in the Flint River Council of Central Georgia, we feel we have one of the most reasonable fee structures in the United States.