Thursday, 6th April, 1944 CONTENTS Pages PAOBS Tuesday, 15th February, 19 4 4 - Thursday, 24th February, 1944 Members Sworn .... Questions and, Answers . 155— 109 Postponement of the date for the Bills' passed by the ’ >ive Presentation of tho Railway Assembly laid on t1 . 109— 170 Budget^ 1944-45 . . . Central Advisory Bc ca- Messages from His Excellency the • tTon . . * . * 170 Govomor Goneral . . . 1—2 Standing Committee ' » . - De­ C > n nittoe on Petitions ' . . 2 partment of Information and Congratulations to recipients of Broadcasting . . ' . * • 170 Honours ..... V - 3 Resolution re Price-control and Death of Khan Bahadur Ihtisham supply of requirements of agrir ^ Hydor C&audhury . . . . culturists— Adopted . . 17£—184 Govomor Gonoral’g Assent to Bills . Rosofution re Rehabilitation,.of the ^ Bills paused by tho Legislative As- economic structure,—With- ^•ibly laid on tho table . . . drawn . . . . . 184— 195 Resolution re Manufacture of _ w Wefoe3day, 10th Februar/, 1944— broad gau£o locomotives—To be oontinued . . . . 195— 202 Questions and Answers . . . 5— 16 Statomeyt of Business . . 203 Notices of Motions for Adjournment. 10— 18 Statements, etc., laid on tho tablo 18— 19 Wednesday, 29th February, 1944— ~Information xfoL'iiiation re Quo>tions laidla on Mombers Swor^ . . . 205 , tho tablo 19— 27 Questions and Answers . . 205— 212 Presentation of tho Rilway Budget, ’ Statement laid on the table . 212— 219 1 0 4 4 - 4 5 ...... 27— 32 Standing Committee for Roads, • 1944-45 ...... 219 Thursday, 17th February, 1944— Standing Committee for the De- \ ■ part men t of Posts and Air . 219 v Address by His Excellency tho Standing Committee on Pilgrim­ Viceroy t/O tho members of the age to the Hejaz . . . . 219 Cuntral Legislature . . . 33— 39 Standing Commixtoo on Emigra­ Friday, 13th February, 1944— tion . # . . . 219 Standing Committee for the De­ Questions and Answers . . . 41— 53 partment of Information and ' Bill passed by the Legislative As­ Broadcasting „ . '. . 219 sembly laid on tho table . . 53 C6al Minos Safety5 (Stowing) Am- * „ Resolution re Future constitution of endrnont Bill— Considered t iid . Indi.iu on federal principles— passed . * . ' . . 220 Negatived .... 53— 09 Indian Companies (Amendment) . Resolution re Amendment of tho Bill—Confide rod and parsed . 220— 221 Defence of India Rulo. ,-- Nega­ Indian Aircraft (Amendment) Bill tived . . . . 09— 90 ■—Considered and passed . . 221— 227 Resolution re Price control and Tiansfe r of Property (Amendment) requirements of agriculturists— ^jll—Considered and passed . 227 Moved ..... 97 Insurance (Amondment) pill— Statement of Business . . . a7 Considered and passed . . . '227 Presentation of® tho Goneral Monday, 31st February, 1944— Budgot, 1944-45 . . . 22&—244 Membocs Sworn . . . 99 Tuesday, 7th March, 19^£— Questions and Ajnswors . . 99— 110 Statoments, etc., laid on the tablo 110— 113 Statement, etc., laid on the table 245 Central Advisory Board of Educa- Bills passed by the Legislative tion ..... 113 Assembly laid on the table . 245 • Standing Committoe for tho De­ StandingCommittoe for Civil De- partment of Information and • fenco Branch of the Defence Broadcasting . . . . 113 Department .... 245 Coffee Market Expansion (Amend­ ;v, •» Standing Committee for Roads, ment) Bill-Considered and 1944-45 ...... 245 passed ..... 113 Standing Committee for the De­ Central Excises and Salt Bill— part ment of Posts and Air . 245 Considered and passed . . 113— 121 Goneral discussion of the General Statement of Business . . 121. Budgot, 194^45 . . . 245— 296 Statement of Business . . 296 Wednesday, 23rd February, 1944— Monday, 13th March, 1 944- Members Sworn . . . * 123 Questions and Answers . . 297_304 De tli of Mrs. Gandhi . . 123— 124 Standing Committeo fu* the Standing Committee on Pilgritaa^e • Labour Department . , 304 to the Hojiz . . . . 124* Standing Committoe ffr tho Civil Standing Committeo on Emigra­ Defence Branoh of tne Defence tion . " . . . 124 Depcfrtiment .... 304 General Discussion of the Railway Cantonment (Amendment) Bill— Budget, 1944-45 . . . 124— 153 Considered and passed . . 304— 310 ii P a g e s - Pa a* Wednesday, 15th Maroh, 1944— Death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat • Questions and Answers . . 311— 319 Khan Tiwana . . . 516—615 Standing Committee, for the Civil Standing ^ommittee for the De- Defence Branch of the Defence partmont of Supply . . 534 department .... 319— 920 Thursday, 30th March, 1944— • Resolution re Manufacture of broad Members Sworn .' . . 563 'gauge* loco motives— Adopted . 320— 331 Indian Finance Bill— To be con- Resolution^re Industrial Commis­ tinued . . . . ; 653— 567, sion to roviow existing industrial 667— 691 situation, etc.— Postponed, to Cpntral Advisory Council for Rail­ .next session .... 332— 342 ways . . . . * 567 Resolution re Import of chemical Friday, 31st Maroh, 1944— fertilizers— Withdrawn . . 342— 349 Indian Finance Bill—concld. ." 693— 612 Resolution re Appointment of an Tuesday, 4th April, 1944— Indian as Director General of Members litoom. • . . . 61J Archaeology— Negatived . • . 349— 358 Questions and ^Visv^rs . . 613— 62 V Information re Questions laid on Thursday, 16th March, 1944— the tablo . . . . . 625-^=626 Questions and Answers . 359— 370 Statements, otc., laid on the table . 626— 627 Defence Consultative Committee . 371 Message from tho Legislative . Central Advisory, Council for Assembly ...... 62. Railways . . . 371 Bills passed by tho Legislative Standing Committeo for the Assembly laid on the table . 627 Labour Department . . 371 Central Committeo of the Tuber- ' Motion re Food situation— To be culosis As ociation o£india . * 628 continued .... 371-*407 Standing Committeo for tho De­ Friday, 17th March, 1 9 4 4 - partment of Commerce . . 628 Death of Mr. Ranidus Pantulu . 409— 410 Dofonco Consultative Committee . 628 Motion re Food situation—con­ Standing ‘Committoe for the Food cluded _ 411— 445 ' Departtnotit .... 628 Hindu Code, Part II (Marriage) Wednesday, 22nd March, 1944-*- Bill—Referred to Joint Com­ Mombers Sworn . . . 447 mittee ..... 628— 636 Questions and Answers . . 447- -451 Motion re Nomination of Mombors . Indian Merchant Shipping (Am- of the Council of State to the ~ • ondment) Bill—Considered and Joint Committee . . . 63* passed . . . . . 451 Governing Body of the Indian Resolution re Permanent o^trhange Rosearch Fund Association . 63* value of the rupoe— Negatived , 451—469 _ Resolution re Rights of citizenship Statement of Business . . 636— 63' for Indians in #the U. ‘ 6. A.— Wednesday, 6th April, 1944— ' Central Committoe of tho Tubop- « Adopted .... 469— 480 Resolution re Employment of culosis Association of India and Standing Committeo for tho women in co%l mines—Negativ- Commeroo Department .• . 639 od . . . . r . 480— 487 Statement by*His Excellency the Bills passed by tho Legislative • Assembly laid on tho table . 639 Commandor-in-Chiof . . 487— 488 Indian Income-tax (Amendment) . Monday, 27th March, 1944^- Bill—Considorodand passed . 639— 642 Mombers Sworn . . . 489 Motion re United Nations Relief Questions and Answoft . . 489— 496 and Rehabilitation Adminis­ Statements, etc., laid on the tablo . 496— 497 tration Agroemont—To be con­ Information re Questions laid on tinued ..... 642—*650 ‘ the tablo .... 497— 600 Statement of Business . . 660 ’ Standing Committoe for the De-t «Thursday, 6th April, 1944— partmont of Supply . . 500 Members Sworn . . . 651 Standing Committeo for the De­ Questions and Answers . . 651— 654 partment of Commerce . . 500 Resolution re Withdrawal of Re­ Central Committee of the Tuber­ gulations restricting entry of culosis Association of India . 500 Indian immigrants into Kenya— # Governing Body of the Indian Adopted . . ^ ' 654— 668 Roroarch Fund.Association, . 501 Resolution re increase of Muslims Standing Committee for the De­ in the Central Services— Noga- partment of Food . . . 501 * tivod ..... 668— 684 Indian Coconut Committoe Bill— Dolhi Muslim Wakfs (Amendment) Considered and passed . . 601— 509 Bill— Considered anil passed . 684 Statement of Business . . 509— 510 Protective Duties Continuation Bill— Considered and passed . 684— 685 Wednesday, 29th taarch» 1944— * Factorios (Amendment) Bill— Members Sworn , . . . * 511 Considered and passed . . 686— 686 Questions and Answers . . 611— 616 Dofence Consultative Committee . 686 Messages from His Excellency the 1 Standing Committee for the Food Governor General . . . 616 Department .... 68 / Indian Finance Bill* 1944— To. be Motion re United Nations Relief ■ continued . . . 516, 517— 534, and Rehabilitation Adminietra- 534 -652 tion Agreement—Adopted . 686— 6 COUNCIL OF STATE Thursday, 6th April, 1944

The Council met in the Council Chamber of the Council House at Elevejr p of the Clock, the Honourable the Chairman (the Honourable Sir David Devttdob6) in the Chair. ~

MEMBER SWORN: The Honourable Mr. Muhammad Saleh Akbar Hydari (Nominated Official).

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. U. 8. A. FtfkCHASES, BTC., ON GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT. 253. T h e H o n o u b a b l e M b . HOSSAIN IMAM : Will Government state the yearly amount reoeived from the United States of America for their supply and services and exports on Government account not covered by reciprocal aid,e.g., tea, bags, mica, etc.? Tiih Honourable Mr. Y. N. SUKTHANKAR: The information asked for is not readily available and its collection would involve an amouAt of time and labour that would not be justifiable in war-time. The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IM AM : Could the Government give any indication of the total amount? T he Honourable M r . Y. N. SUKTHANKAR: No, Sir, I am unable to give any indication at all. . ‘

T e n d e r s f o r c o l l e c t in g W a st e P a p e r f r o m G o v e r n m e n t o f I n d ia P r e s s e s . 254. T h e H o n o u r a b l e Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM : Will Government state:— ' (a) Whether tenders for collection of Government waste paper from Government Presses in Delhi and Aligarh and despatching it to Dehra Dun, for pulp production, are invited every year ? If not, why not ? (6) Whether it is a fact that last year the Utilization Officer, Forest Research Institute, Dehra Dun, had entrusted the contract to a party without calling for tenders ? If so, why ? (d) Whether arrangements are being made to call for tenders for this work for the year 1944-45 ? If not, why not ? * (d) Whether the contractor is permitted to sell Government waste paper in the market ? If not, why no action has been taken against the open sale of Government waste paper in the local market by the present contractor ? • %Tiie Honourable Sir JOGENDRA SINGH: (a) and ( b). Only two applica­ tions for a contract to collect waste paper from the Government Presses at New Delhi and Aligarh, were received by the Utilisation Officer, Forest Research Institute. Tenders were not called for owing to there being in­ sufficient time. The contract was given to a firm recommended by the Paper Production Commissioner. (c) Tenders for collection of paper for the financial year 1944-45, will be called for, if waste paper is still to be collected from the New Delhi and Aligarh Government Presses. ** (d) The contract with the firm in question permits the sale of “ ream wrap­ pers— mullet” , which could not be utilised for repulping, and a deduction of **Rs. 3-12-0 per maund in respect of this class of waste paper is made from the firm's bill for collection. Statements of waste paper handed over to the firm for despatch are sent by the Presses to the Forest Research Institute and a careful check is main­ tained to see that no unauthorised sale of waste paper takes place. The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IM AM : Is the Government aware of the market price of wastepaper. ~ The Honourable Sir JOGENDRA SINGH: I suppose so. The Honourable M r . HOSSAIN IMAM: Is Rs. 3-12-0, per maund an adequate price? - The Honourable Sir JOGENDRA SINGH: I suppose it is taken into account, Sir. ( 651 ) A 662 COUNCIL OF STATE [GTH APRIL 1944

T heft of Stores from O rd nance D epo ts .

255. T h e H o n o u r a b l e Mil. HOSdAIN IMAM : Will Government state whether -any stores were stolen from Ordnance Depots in India from 1st April, 1940 to 31st Deoember, 1943 H If so what was their value ? * , The Hoxourablb Sir MAHOMED USMAN (on behalf of His Excellency the Commander-in-Chief): The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. As regards the latter part, I would refer the Honourable Member to the Appropriation Accounts of the Defence Services published annually. Figures for last year have not yet been published but are under preparation. The Honourable M r . HOSSAIN IMAM: Cou d the Honourable Member give some idea because the Appropriation Account does not indicate the losses? The Honourable Sir MAHOMED USMAN: I have nothing to add to what • I have already said, Sir. '

R e c r u it m e n t of C iv il ia n G a z e t t e d O f f ic e r s .

256. T h e H o n o u r a b l e Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Will Government state whether they have recruited Civilian Gazetted Officers now in place of military personnel formerly holding charge of stores ? If so, what is their number, and how many of them are Muslims ? The Honourable Sir MAHOMED USMAN (on behalf of His Excellency the Commander-in-Chief): As regards the first part of the question, Civilian Gazetted Officers have been recruited as supplementary to aud not in sub­ stitution of military officers. As regards the latter part, out of 604 holding charge of stores, 1 1 1 are Muslims.

R e c r u it m e n t of C iv il ia n G a z e t t e d O f f ic e r s .

^57. T h e H o n o u r a b l e M b . HOSSAIN IMAM : Will Government state:— (a) The rate of pay of military officers formerly employed for holding charge of store* ; (b) the rate of pay of the C. G. Os., and (c) how were C. G, Os. recruited and why was the rate of pay reduoed ? The H onourable Sir MAHOMED USMAN (on behalf of His Excellency the Commander-in-Chief): (a) Military officers who are employed for holding charge of stores are called Group Officers and may be Captains or Subalterns. Their rates of pay as unmarried emergency commissioned officers are— British. Indian. • Po. Rs. Ctfpt&jn ...... 710 570 Lieutenant ...... 545 475 (5) The rates of pay of Civilian Gazetted Officers who hold charge of stores as Assistant Group Officers are as follows: — Rs. (i) Under training ...... 200 p. m. (ii) On probation ...... 300 p. m. (ttt) On confirmation ...... 340—20—500 p« xn. (c) Recruitment of civilian gazetted officers was almost entirely direct. As regards reduction of pay, the 'question does not arise in view of the fact that military officers are employed as Group Officers whereas Civilian Gazetted Officers are Assistant Group Officers. T he Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Do they perform the same kind - of work as the Lieutenants used to perform formerly? The Honourable Sir MAHOMED USMAN: I am afraid I must ask for notice, Sir. T h e f t of Sto r e s f r o m O r d n a n c e D e p o t s .

^ 258. The H o n o u r a ble Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM : Will Government state what action they have taken against the military offioers during whose time thefts from the Ordnance Depots took place ? What steps have they taken to keep checks on stores now ? - T he H onourable S ir MAHOMED USMAN (on behalf of His Excellency the Commander-in-Chief): When an officer is found to have been guilty of QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 653 culpable negligence resulting in the theft of Government stores suitable dis­ ciplinary agtion is taken by the General Office i*‘ Commandiiigria-Chief o f the Army or Command concerned. Details of such action are not readily available and their collection would involve an amount of time and labouir dis- * proportionate to the object in view. Measures to prevent the theft of stored are constantly under review and are being steadily strengthened as resources permit. Security officers have been appointed and watch and ward units have been raised and are being increased. The Depot staffs too are being strengthened as personnel becomes available. Furthermore perimeter fences have been improved where necessary. The Honourable Mr. P. N. SAPRU: As a matter of fact, have any of the military officers found guilty in this respect been dismissed?. The Honourable Sir MAHOMED USMAN: I have answered this questiotn on behalf of His Excellency the Commander-in-Chief on account of •his unavoidab’e absence due to war-time. I must ask for notice of the question, 8 ir. . T heft of Stores from O r d n an ce D epots . 259. Thb Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM : Will Goverrfment state the kinds of stores stolen from Ordnance Depots ? The Honourable Str MAHOMED USMA>? (on behalf of His Excellency the Commander-in-Chief): As particulars are not rfcadily available it is not possible to state the kinds of stores stolen but the Honourable Member will appreciate that small portable items likely to have a ready sale in the civil market must attract the thieves. A rrangements for Scholars to st u d y H istorical R ecords an d A n t iq u it ie s at the I m perial R ecord D e par tm en t an d th e Ce n tra l M u se u m , N e w D e l h i. ' 200. The Honourable Mr. ABDOOL RAZAK HAJEE ABDOOL SUTTAR : Will Government state whether there is any arrangement for scholars to study his­ torical records and antiquities at the Imperial Records Department and the Central Museum, New Delhi ? If not, why not ? The Honourable Sir JOGENDRA SINGH: Facilities ore granted to bona fide historical scholars to study records in the Imperial Record Depart­ ment. The Central Asian Antiquities Museum has been closed for the duration of the war and there are, therefore, no arrangements for scholars to study antiquities there. O ccupation of the I m perial R ecord D epar tm en t B uild in g b y th e ‘M il it a r y . 261. The Honourable Mr. ABDOOL RAZAK HAJEE ABDOOL* SUJTAR Is it a fact that the entire building on Queensway, New Delhi, Containing historical records and antiquities, is now being occupied by the military ? If so, what pre­ cautions have Government taken for safeguarding the old records and antiquities ? The Honourable Sir JOGENDRA SINGH: No. Only office rooms of the Imperial Record Department and part of the building containing antiquities have been temporarily allotted to the War Department. Most of the anti­ quities have been removed. Those which remain are stored in locked godowns and rooms to which only the Archaeological Department staff have access. Occupation of the Imperial Record Department Building by the M ilitary ' 262. The Honourable Mr. ABDOOL RAZAK HAJEE ABDOOL SUTTAR : Is it a fact that all the airy and sanitary rooms in the building referred to in the previous question have been given to the military and that Indian officers and assistants ait in dark rooms ? If so, why ? The HonourAblb Sir JOGENf)RA SINGH: Only office rooms in the front portion of the building have been temporarily allotted to the War Department. The rooms given to the Imperial Record Department, are neither dark nor insanitary. * O ccupation of the I m perial R ecord D epar tm en t B u il d in g b y the M il it a r y . 263. The Honourable Mr. ABDOOL RAZAK HAJEE ABDOOL SUTTAR : Will Government state whether the military has been aooommodated "in the build* mg referred to in the previous question for the reason that no other building could be found for them f

, a 2 664 c o u n c i l o f STA.TB [ 6 t h A p r i l 1944 T hb Honourable Sib JOGENDRA SINGH: Tbe reply to tbe Honourable Member’s question is in the ’ affirmative. UNRRA. ♦264. Thb Honoubable Raja YUVERAJ DUTTA SINGH : (a) Is it a fact that the House of Representatives in the U.S.A. passed an amendment on the 25th January, 1944, to the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration Bill providing for the inclusion of India in the areas eligible for relief and rehabilitation! (6) 11' so, how much financial and other relief is India entitled to reoeive from the UNRRA under the terms of the above amendmenti Thb Honourable M e . Y. N. SUKTHANKAR: (a) The House of Representatives made the following addition to the Resolution approving U.S.A. contribution to UNRRA: — 4 In expressing its approval of this joint Resolution, it is the recommendation of the Congress that in so far as funds and facilities permit, any area important to military operations of United Nations which is stricken by famine or disease may be included in benefits to be made available to United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administrate ‘ ( 6) The position appears to be that no benefit can be claimed under the amendment until the matter has been considered by the Council of UNRRA and the Agreement itself suitably amended. # Purchases oi-cbbtain Abticlbs in India on H.M.G. ’s account. 265. Thb Honourable Mb. HOSSAIN IMAM : Will Government state the amount of money received each year from 1940-41 to December 1943 from His Majesty’s Government for the following items purchased by £hem in India:(i) tea, (ii) sugar, (iii) mica, (iv) bags, (v) railway engines, (tn) carriages, (vii) trucks, (nti) wagons, (ix) rails and (x) bridge works. Which of these items were purchased through the Supply Department? T he H onourable M r . Y. N. SUKTHANKAR: Certain purchases of jute bags have been made by the Supply Department for His Majesty’s Govern­ ment and the total value of the indents so far amounts to about 1 2 crores of rupees. Purchases of sugar through the Sugar Controller for India on account of His ^Majesty’s Government during 1941-42 and 1942-43, amounted to about Rs. 54 lakhs. As regards tea, this is purchased by His Majesty's Government direct through their own organisation of the Tea Controller for India. I regret that detailed information in regard to other items is not available. T he H onourable M r . HOSSAIN IM AM : Is the Tea Controller of India in the pay of His Majesty’s Government or of the Government of India? T he H onourable M r . Y. N. SUKTHANKAR: Part of the expenditure incurred on his organisation is defrayed by His Majesty’s Government. T he H onourable M r . HOSSAIN TMAM: What Part ? T he H onourable M r . Y. N. SUKTHANKAR: I must ask for notice, Sir. ^ T he H onourable M r . HOSSAIN IMAM: Could the Honourable Member indicate which of these items were purchased through the Supply Department?

The H onourable M r. Y. N. SUKTHANKAR: As far. as I am aware, only jute bags were purchased through the Supply Department. -

RESOLUTION RE WITHDRAWAL OF REGULATIONS RESTRICTING ENTRY OF INDIAN IMMIGRANTS INTO KENYA. M r . CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): Honourable Members, I propose to take up the elections at the close of our other iusiness. I will take up the Resolutions now. T he H on ourable^ I r . P. N. SAPRU : : It would be better, Sir, if you take up the elections now because some members are leaving today.. M r . CHAIRMAN (The HonournlDle Sir David Devadoss): Thpre is a chance of some members withdrawing, I am told; so there may be no election .

* A eked by the Hon. Rai Bahadur Sri Narain Mahtha. WITHDRAWAL OF REGULATIONS RESTRICTING KNTRY OK INDIAN O M IMMIGRANTS INTO KEIWA.

Thb Honourable M b . P . N . S A P R U : I t is a mere c&anc«s. M b CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss) We will see about it later. If there are withdrawals, there may be no election. We will take up the Resolutions. The Honourable Mr. Sapru. *Thb Honourable M r . P. N. SAPRU (United Provinces bouthern: Non- Muhammadan): Mr. Chairman, the Resolution which I desire to move runs as follows:— . . “ This Council recommends to the Governor General in Council to take immediate■ ®teps to secure the withdrawal of the Regulations having the effect of restricting the entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya which came into force recently. Sir, it will be within the recollection of this House that there appeared a telegram in the Indian papers on the 24th of February — The limes of India was the first to give publicity to this question— that the Tanganyika , Govern ment had passed certain regulations regulating the entry of non-natives into the Tanganyika territory. On the 1st of March the lead which was given by the Tanganyika Government was followed by the Kenya and the Uganda Governments which passed an Ordinance restricting the entry of non-natives into their territories. If a person had been absent for a perjod of two years from East Africa, he woufd not be able to enter the East African countries without previous licence. I think I have stated the general purport of these regulations sufficiently clearly, but I shall read out a press communique which was issued by the Government of India on the 18th of March, 1944, in order to clarify the position further. This is what the communique says: "The Government of India have been assured by the Governments of Tanganyika. Uganda and Kenya that the stricter control of non-native immigration recentlv introduced in their territories is a temporary measure for meeting conditions created by war . This is what the Government say, but I shall show that this is not really the intention of these Regulations. The communique goes on: — - "The new Regulations necessitated by the acute shortage of accommodation and food­ stuffs, will apply to all non-native entrants without discrimination and will be terminated At the end of the war with other war-time control measures. # ’ Under the new Regulations, it is understood, entry permits will be granted normally •\nly to such new entrants as are required in the Colpnies in furtherance of the war effort. Nc other male person, above the age of 18, will be allowed to enter Colonies unless he i® Mready in possession of an entr; permit issued by the respective Governments. Persons normally resident in Tanganyika. Uganda or Kenya, however, have been Exempted from ill© operation of the new regulations, provided they have not been absent from the Colony for more than two years. Families of normal residents have also been exempted’.*. Sir, in form undoubtedly the Ordinances do not discriminate between Euro* peans and Indians \ they apply to both Europeans and Indians. ButfT As a matter of fact, as I shall show, their effect will be to restrict the entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika. Sir, when the war broke out, the Indians offered their services. They were just as eager as their British fellow-subjects to help the war effort. But vhereas the European population was absorbed in some kind of war work or other, the Indians were either induced to go back to India or to go into the interior. There are in East Africa about 200,000 Indians, while the whites number about 25,000. In Kenya, the Indian population is 35,000 and the European population 20,000. In Uganda, the Indian population is 40,000 and the* European population 3,000. In Tanganyika, the Indian population Is 25,000 and the European population 3,000. The total East Afrcan population is 12,000,000 and the Indians number about 175,000 to 200,000 and the Europeans are about 25,000. When the war broke out, as I was sayingr, the Indians offered to do war work but they were told thaff they could best h?lp the war effort by either going into, the interior or going back to Ind^a. Because of this policy of the Kenya Government nearly 10 ,0 0 0 Indians found their way back into India. These nearly 10 ,0 0 0 men are permanent residents o! Hast Africa. They have their property in East Africa; thev have their lands there, and we know how difficult it is in these days, to get shipping accommoda*

•Not corrected by the Honourable Member. 6 6 6 c o u n c i l o p s t a t e [ 6 t h A p r i l 1 94 4 [Mr. P. N. Sapru.] *’ • ^ . tion. It is impossible for them to go back to their country within this^ period of two years and if they were to go back to Kenya or Uganda or Tanganyika after the expiry of two years, it will be open to these Governments to either permit them to land in Kenya or refuse to permit them to do so. In other words, it will be open to them to say whether they shall be allowed entry into Kenya or n

I think, Sir, it would be outside the scope of my Resolution if I were to attempt to trace the history of relationship between India and East African countries. I think, Sir, we have a long and honourable record of services rendered for these countries. It is a record of which we might as a people be legitimately proud. I think, Sir, the Indian settler has done much to improve the economic life of these^ countries and he has as good a right to be treated as a person possessing equal rights as the Britisher settled in those territories. *■

Sir, I would like to end my speech by reading out an extract from Mr. Winston Churchill’s “ My African Journey” . Mr. Churchill wrote th‘s book in 1908. In 1908 Mr. Churchill was a Liberal Imperialist. Today, of course, we know that he represents the die-hard spirit of British Imperialism, but any way when I think of Mr. Churchill I like to think of him as he was in 1908 and I think, Sir, I cannot do better than quote Mr. Churchill. This is what he says about the Indians there:— “ Yet hear the other-side. How stands the claim of the British Indian? His right* as a human being, his rights as a British subject, are equallr engaged. It was the Sikh soldier *868 council op statb [8th April 1944

[Mr. P. N. Sapru.] •• who bore an honourable part in the conquest and pacification of these East African countries. It is the Indian trader who, penetrating and maintaining himself in ail sorts of places to which no white man would go or in which no white man could earn a living, has more than any one else developed the early beginnings of trade and opened up the first slender means of communicatipn. It was by Indian labour that the one vital railway on which everything else depends was constructed. It is the Indian banker who supplies perhaps the larger part of the capital yet available for business and enterprise, and to whom the white settlers have not hesitated to recur for financial aid. The Indian was . here long before the first British official. He may point to as many generations of useful industry on the coast and inland as the white settlers—especially the most recently arrived contingents from South Africa (the loudest against him of all)—can count years of residence. Is it possible for any Government with a scrap of respect for honest dealing between man and man, to embark upon a policy of deliberately squeezing out the native of India from regions in which he has established himself under every security of public faith? Most of all must we ask, is~such a policy possible to the Government which bears sway over three hundred millions of our Indian Empire!**

, Sir, I ask the new Commonwealth Relations Department to ponder over thbse words. Is such a policy possible to 41 the Government which bears sway over three hundred millions of our Indian Empire ” 2 Such a policy is not possible. It will lead to much racial friction. It will lead to mucn resent­ ment and I hope, Sir, that the Government of India will show strength and represent to His Majesty’s Government what the consequences of such a policy, if persisted in by these Governments, will be upon the relations of India with the other parts of the British Commonwealth of Nations. ( Applause.) *

T ue Honourable Mr. R. N. BANERJEE (Commonwealth Relations Secre­ tary) : Sir, I venture to rise at this stage because I feel that for the better prosecution of the debate Honourable Members might welcome some informa­ tion on the precise provisions of the Regulations which are the subject-matter of the Resolution. It was in December, Sir, that we had intimation from the Tanganyika Government that they were going to introduce certain Defence Regulations prohibiting the entry of fresh immigrants into the Colony unless they held an entry permit to be granted by the Governor of the Colony. The Tanganyika Government stated, Sir, that extreme pressure of housing and other accommodation in urban areas had rendered it necessary to introduce a stricter control th$n hitherto over the entry of non-natives into this territory. They also assured us, Sir, that this legislation will be in the form of a Defence Regulation and is not intended to be of permanent effect. It has been rendered necessary, they went on to say, by the substantial rate of increase in the non-native population which, owing to an acute shortage of housing accommoda­ tion, has produced congestion amounting in some cases to slum conditions. Entry permits are to be granted only to such new entrants as are required in the Colony in furtherance of the local war effort and a certificate to this effect has to be granted by the Director of Man Power. Persons normally resident in the particular territory would, however, be allowed to enter without an entry permit, provided they have not remained absent from the Colonies for more than two years. Their wives, daughters and minor sons were also similarly exempted from these new restrictions. , These Regulations were brought into force in Tanganyika on the 14th February and about the third week of February the Governments of Kenya and Uganda also informed us that they were going to introduce similar Defence Regulations imposing temporary restrictions on the entry of fresh immigrants into their Colonies and these were brought into force on the 1 st of Match. In addition to the shortage of housing accommodation, these two Governments urged the shortage of foodstuffs as further reason for these restrictions. The House may like, Sir, to know the operative portions of the Regulation. These are as follows:— , ‘ ‘Subject to the provisions of these Regulations no person shall enter the Territory unless he is the holder of an entry permit issued to him under the provisions of these Regulations. Entry permits may be issued only by or under the authority of the Governor or by such WITHDRAWAL OF REGULATIONS RESTRICTING BXTLtY OF INDIAN 659 IMMIGRANTS INTO BENYA* person as may be authorized in that behalf by the Governor by notice published in the Gazette. An entry permit will not be issued unless the applicant therefor satisfies the Governor ■or the person authorized to issue entry permits that he proposes to take up employment in an approved occupation". . These approved occupations, Sir, are more or less what we call “ Essential S e r v ic e s .” “ Any person specified in any of the paragraphs set out in the Second Schedule hereto shall be entitled to enter the Territory although he is not the holder of an entry permit issued under the provisions of these Regulations". t The Second Schedule, Sir, which gives what I may call “ the exemptees*- from the Eegulations runs as follows: — "Persons normally resident in the Territory who are. absent therefrom, provided that .such persons have not been absent from the Territory for more than two years; WiveB, sons under eighteen years of age and daughters of persons mentioned above. (c) Persons in the service of the Government of the Territory; (d) Members of His Majesty's Naval, Military or Air Forces on active service; (e) Persons in direct transit through the Territory to a destination butside the Territory; (/) Persons accredited as consuls or vice-consuls in the Territory; (

Many countries affected by war conditions have had to Impose such tem­ porary restrictions on the influx of outsiders into their territories. These very East African Colonies in December, 1941, imposed similar temporary restric­ tions on immigration by stiffening their passport regulations. Our first reaction, therefore, was that the new restrictions were only designed to tighten up still further these passport regulations. Government did not see any great risk of hardship to Indians in the general principle of a country affected by war condi­ tions seekinjjto keep down its floating population by tightening up its passport regulations. I may tell the House that we have had a categorical assurance from all the three Governments that the restrictions are purely temporary and will be terminated with other war-time control measures, fnd that they will apply to all non-native immigrants without any discrimination whatsoever. Now, Sir, as Honourable Members may be aware, the Indian community, in Kenya particularly, is not so utterly helpless as, say, in South Africa. They have about half a dozen representatives in the local legislature, and they have also an Indian member on the Governor’s Executive Council. The Indians in Kenya, therefore, are sometimes able to get across to their Government their views and grievances. We therefore naturally presumed that these representa- _ tives of the local Indian community were not absolutely in the dark about these restrictive regulations. After the last war determined efforts were made by the European settlers to exclude Asiatics from these Colonies. But all such proposals were definitely turned down by His Majesty’s Government in a White Paper issued in 1923, and ever since then restriction on the admission of Indians or As:atics into these Colonies has never been a live issue. There has been no active move­ ment in recent years to exclude Indians from these Colonies. Prima facie, th ere­ fore, we have had no reason to challenge the genuineness of the grounds urged by the Colonial Governments, particularly as economic conditions, as Honour­ able Members are aware, have been abnormal in most countries affected by the war. Nor have we had any reason so far to presume that in giving us the assurances regarding the temporary and non-discriminatory character of these restrictions the Colonial Governments have had any mental reservations. ~ Again, as the Honourable .Mover himself pointed out, immigration of fresh Indians to these Colonies has certainly gone down. I have no information as regards the exact*extent of it, but from such un-official inquiries as I have been 660 council(i or state [ 6 t h A p r il 1 9 4 £ [Mr. R. N. Banerjee.]

a ble to make, I understand it is, almost negligible. We have thus presumed that the number of entirely fresh immigrants which will be affected by these restrictions is really negligible, and we have rather concentrated on eliminating or at least reducing to the minimum 6uch hardships as might be caused by the restrictions to permanent and normal residents in the Colonies. To this end we have been carrying on correspondence very actively with the three Colonial Governments in order to get further clarification of the position of this class of Indians. We have particularly urged that in the practical working of these Regulations thev must make allowance for the- fact that many of these Indians, as pointed out by the Honourable Mover, had to 4eave their homes in the Colonies owing to unexpected developments in the war and .have* been unable to return to their homes for reasons beyond their control. Immediately on receipt of information we represented very strongly that the regulation as regards two years’ absence must therefore be administered in practice with: due regard to the fact‘that owing to the war conditions and shipping difficulties long absence m u 6t have been inevitable in many cases; and I am glad to say that we have already had an assurance from these Governments that this part of the Regulations will be enforced not rigidly but with due allowance for the circumstances of each particular case. We hope, Sir, that this means that tbe Regulations will not be enforced against normal Indian residents even though they might have been absent for more than two years, if their absence has been caused by reasons beyond their control. We have also strongly represented that ihe period of two years must begin from the 14th February or the 1 s t March, as the case may be. Not only that; we have also urged that all normal residents who have been absent for more than two years should be positively excluded from the scope of the restriction. These are the facts, and this is the position, and this is all the action that we have been able to take so far. I hope I have made it clear that, so far as the Government of India is concerned, this matter is certa'nlv not closed and we have not accepted it as a sort of fait accompli. It is only during the Iasi four or five weeks that we have had protests and representations from various Indian organisations in the Colonies as well as in India. As the Honourable Mover pointed out, in .these representations the main justification’ for the issue of 4hese Regulations has been challenged, that is to say, the Indian community now has brought to our knowledge facts and figures to show tfcat there should not be any food shortage and that in the many large towns in the Colonies there is no lack of housing accommodation. I am afraid, Sir, we 12 Nook ^ ave n o^ 8°^ an.Y data or official record to be able to check this ’ information. But immediately after we began to receive the very first representations from the Indian community, we have drawrn the attention of these three Governments to these representations. As regards the other fact that a very large number of Indians had to leave their homes in the Colonies in «*esponse to unofficial encouragement by the Colonial Governments, as I have already explained, our latest demand has been to have them completely excluded from the scope of these Regulations. It is possible, Sir, that there is more in these Regulations than meets the ear. The large number of Indian representatives who have contacted us unofficially are no doubt in a better posi­ tion to properly read the trend of events in these Colonies and perhaps they have a better perception of the inwardness of these measures. But, as I have already said, from the correspondence that we have had so far, there are no grounds for questioning the genuineness of the assurance given by the Colonial Governments and for our holding that this is but the first step towards the permanent exclusion of Asiatics and Indians from these Colonies. After all, Sir, the Government of a Commonwealth country approached us for our views on a measure which they considered to be essential to meet war conditions and we all hope that they would not take any undue advantage of our anxiety not to embarrass them in a matter of this kind, particularly when a big war is on. I also doubt whether any Buch step can be seriously undertaken. Such WITHDRAWAL OF REGULATIONS RESTRICTING ENTRY OF INDIAN 061A IMMIGRANTS INTO KENYA. a ttempts failed in the past, as I have already s&id, and His Majesty’s Gov­ ernment have so fpr definitely, set their face against such attempts. I think, the House will agree that it will be hardly possible for any vested interests, however powerful they may be, to steal a march over us in this matter. At any rate, Sir, I can assure the House that Government will leave no stone unfoirned to prevent any such contingency materialising. 1 may perhaps draw the attention of the House to one point. These Re­ gulations have been enacted under the Emergency Powers (Defence) Act. As the House is aware, our Defence of India Regulations are to expire, I believe, one year after the cessation of hostilities. This Act of the British Parliament under which these Regulations were made is as a matter of fact enacted from* year to year. So, if and when these Governments do want to place this measure permanently on the Statute-book, they would have to undertake fresh legisla­ tion and we will thus clearly have an opportunity to resist any step to make these Regulations permanent. In the meanwhile we are addressing the Gov­ ernments concerned immediately for a still further clarification of the position* and I can assure the House that Government will pursue this matter with' the utmost vigour and vigilance and would move the Colonial Governments to^ Justify their measures for public scrutiny. I can further assure the House that all possible action will be taken to ensure that the restrictions are with­ draw n as 60011 as such justification as there may be for them has disappeared! ‘ I hope, Sir^ the House is satisfied that Government are equally interested ixv the object of this Resolution and . have already taken all the action that they- could, particularly in view of the manner in which Government have been* hustled in this matter. Sir, I accept the Resolution.

♦Tue H onourable S aiyed MOHAMED PADSHAH Sahib Bahadur- (Madras: Muhammadan): Sir, we are very grateful to the Honourable I^r. Banerjee for the infonnation which he h&s just given. We are glad to know that the Government of India have been moving in the matter from the outset. But, Sir, we have, as was pointed out by the Honourable Mover,, still beset with doubts about this matter, because the practice of the Govern­ ments in Africa has all along been on lines which have been alw^s prejudicial to the Indian interests. It is because of this attitude on the part of \he w hite 6ettlers and also" the settled policy on the part of those settlers to wipe out all Indian element from those countries that there is suspicion on our part. It is all very good to think that these restrictions are necessitated by the particular conditions of war emergencies. But, as has been pointed out by the deputation which met the representatives of the Government of India, it is quite clear that there was no necessity whatever for the passing of such* restrictive legislation on the part of those countries. • The petitions make it perfectly clear that the two main grounds on which justification for these measures* was rested were not at all correct. They have successfully proved that there was no dearth or scarcity of accommodation, and as far as foodstuffs are con­ cerned, these three countries which passed th;s restrictive legislation were in- a much happier and more satisfactory condition than even India itself. Therefore, there was no reason whatever for such a step to have been taken bv those countries. It is, therefore, natural, Sir, that we should feel that after all the real cause for passing this legislation is not the necessity which has arisen on account of the war but some ulterior motive, that this move is only a part of the concerted plan, a conspiracy on the part of the European' settlers in these countries to drive out the Indian element. We have got our* recent experiences. Just when the Indians had shed their blood and had taken such glorious and prominent part in driving out the enemy from Africa and freeing Africa from the menace of war, South Africa passed the Pegging Act. It is in view of all these facts that we still request the Government of India to. be on the alert and find out from those countries the actual reason thatr

#Not corrected by the Honourable Member. t <662 council o r statb [6 th A p r i l 1044 [Saiyed Mohamed Padshah’Sahib Bahadur.] prompted them to take up this measure. They rntst make it clear to those countries that from the facts and from what't^ey know of the state of those countries the Government of India feel that the two reasons that have been advanced for passing this measure do not justify the keeping out of these j>eople, especially the permanent residents who have coxhe out to India either on their own or on account of the encouragement given to them by the P&licj of the Government. As the Hoourable Mr. Sapru pointed out, Indians offered their services for helping the war effort, but their offer was not accepted. On the other hand they were told that they would be advancing the war effort by keeping out of the country. Therefore, it is quite clear that the intention of the Government was that Indians to the extent that was possible should be sent cui from that country and when the Indians have come out from those countries and when the shipping conditions were such that it was not possible for them to get back, it is but just and fair that all those Indians who Aave permanent ihterests there, who are permanent settlers of those countries, .should be exempted from the operation of this legislation. It should not be necessary for any of them who could prove their permanent connection with those countries to show cause why it was not possible for them to avoid being absent from those countries for more than two years. The mere fact that they &re permanent settlers there and have got permanent interests there should -entitle them to get back to those countries without question. With these words, Sir, I support the Resolution and thank Government fo t having accepted it. * ♦The Honourable Mjt. HOSSAIN IMAM (Bihar and Orissa: Muham- madan^: Mr. Chairman, while I welcome the assurance given by the Honourable Mr. Banerjee of accepting this Resolution, I regret to find that the Honourable Member is absent when such an important Resolution is being -discussed. I do not wish to repeat what has been said before, but I would like the Government to give us some facts about the number of people entering East Africa annually. Was there any influx, any large number of people returning to East Africa which caused this Ordinance to be promulgated? We, Sir, havo been assured by the Honourable Secretary in charge that he is trying to exclude the permanent residents from the operations of this measure. Not ’•only the permanent residents, but their families and dependants must also be exciuaecj. fndia is a country which believes still in family life and dependants are a charge on an earning member, which is not found in other parts of the world. In India the dependant is almost like a son whose care a father has to take. Similarly in excluding the permanent residents, their dependants must also come into line. I should like to mention a fact which has been already stated by the Honourable Mr. Sapru that the story of the food or housing shortage was a myth. If the Government wants, they can get corroboration of it from the League of Nations reports as well as from the census report if these Colonies ha*ve published tbeir latest census reports. They will show the number of people living in each house and the number of cities and towns and villages. I hope the Library of the Department of Indians Overseas, which has been renamed the Department of Commonwealth Relations, will not be so poor ns not to possess the census reports of these Colonies. Another fact whieh was stressed by the Honourable Mr. Sapru was that India was one of the •original signatories of the League of Nations Convention and as such if we had a National Government we too would have secured a mandated territory as Jfrpnn and Australia have secured. But not being so blessed, we did not get any mandated territory for ourselves. But the least that the Empire can do io ub is to allow our nationals the same freedom of entry in the mandated territories as is enjoyed by others. I think the Honourable Mr. Banerjee has •rightly stressed that there may be more in these Regulations than appears on the face of them and it is that fear which has promoted us to bring this Resolu­ tion. I would just remind the House of the fact that the United 8 tates o f

• *Not corrected by the Hononrable Member. WITHDRAWAL OF REGULATIONS RESTRICTING BNTRY OP INDIAN 6 6 & IMMIGRANTS INTO KENYA. . A merica has just opened its door to "China and removed the disability. It ie a strange commentary, Sir, that concurrently with that in the British Empire? and in the part of the British Empire where H. M- G. has sway, a dis­ crimination should be started against Indian ------* The Honourable M r . R. N. BANERJEE: May I just remind the Honourable Member that I made the point clear that we hfove been at least* assured in terms that there will be no discrimination and that these Regulations* would apply to all non-native immigrants. - The Honourable Sir MAHOMED USMAN (Leader* of the House): May 1 remind the House that we have a very long agenda. I do not know whether all this discussion is necessary as the Honourable Member in charge? of the Resolution has accepted it. Thk Honourable Pandit HIRDAY NATH KUNZRU: The sittings will end today all the same.' Don’t be anxious. T h ii Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IM AM : Sir, we will sit late if necessary and finish. • 1 was saying that it may not be specifically in so many wTords. What we- cannot forget is the large number of Indians who have lived in the Colony— if not in an assisted manner but in a prompted manner—who were prompted to leave the country. Therefore thfeir return is not a question of mercy or of any concession; it is demanded as a matter of right. No national of a country is refused entry in his motherland because he may# have been absent for some time. Thes/j people have now become residents of these Colonies and as such it is unthinkable that they should be thus treated. For instance, can India with all its difficulties and the famine in Bengal restrict the entry of Indians, into India? Similarly why should #thesa people be ever excluded? Whatever the number of years that they may have been absent, there should absolutely be no restriction. I regard it, Sir, as a most unnatural, interference with the- nationalization clauses of International Conventions that a man who has become nationalised should be excluded merely for reasons of absence. Sir, I give my wholehearted support to the Resolution and welcome the assurance that Government have given. The Honourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR (Central Provinces: General): All the points that could be urged in support of this Resolution have p een c o v e re d by my Honourable friends who have preceded me. I take part in this debate just to enquire one thing from the Government. The Indian Legislature passed the Reciprocity Act. This Act was passed on the initiative of a private member and then after that the Government in the next session amended that Act. I want to,know, Sir, whether the Government have framed rules or not under that Act and whether the Government desire to bring those rules into practice or not? My only point in taking part in this debate is to impress upon the Government of India that effect should be given to the Reciprocity Act passed by the Indian Legislature so that our nationals in Kenya as well as in other parts of* Africa should be treated as citizens and not as cattle, ^ e know, Sit*, what sort of indignities our nationals have to suffer in those parts, but in order to counteract it* the Central Legislature had passed the Indian Reciprocity Act. I therefore urge upon the Government of India that the Act must be brought into force as soon as possible so that our nationals in South Africa, Kenya and ottier places would get some relief when they would know that the Government of India also are taking strong action in this matter. Sir, I wholeheartedly support the Resolution and I hope my Honourable friend the new Secretary for the Commonwealth Relations Department will give a categorical replv to my query. The Honourable Pundit HIRDAY NATH KUNZRU (United Province® Northern: Non-Muhammadan): Mr. Chairman, the Regulation that we are dis­ cussing might be considered from two points of view. We can consider first whether the facts that have been brought to our knowledge disclose any need ♦664 * fJOUKCiL OP s ta te [6th April 1944 [Pandit Hirday Nath Kunzru.j for the restriction of Indian or European immigration into Kenya or iu any of tha •other East African Colonies. We can also consider whether certain provisions in the Regulations that have been passed by the East African Colonies could be regarded as ^proper even if there was need for the temporary restriction of immigration. I will deal with the first point first. My Honourable friend Mr. .Banorjee has stated clearly in his speech that so far as the Government of India were aware there were hardly any Indians going to East Africa. The Honourable Mr. R. N. BANERJEE: On a point of explanation, Sir. I said that the number erf fresh immigrants was considerably less. We have no information about the exact number but it is much below the normal. Tiie Honourable Pandit HIRDAY NATH KUNZRU: This will serve my purpose. The number of Indians going to Kenya recently was much below the number of Indians going there normally. Obviously there was no need then for any special measures to restrict the immigration of Indians but, if it be granted that such restriction was necessary, it has yet to be shown that the needs of the situation required that people who had been away from the Colony for more than two years should not be allowed to go back. Whatever reasons might have led the Governments of the East African Colonies to place restrictions on non­ native immigration, what was the reason for laying down that people who had toeen away from the Colony for more tban two years would not normally be allowed to go back. My Honourable friend Mr. Banerjee has not said a word ^o justify this particular rule. He has said a great deal to show that the Government of India are doing their very best to see that the Regulation is not worked in such a manner as to be detrimental to Indian interests. I should have liked him to go further and say that the Government of India had presented io the Governments of Kenya and the other colonies that any restriction on the •entry of Indians normally resident in Kenya «or in any of the other East African territories was not justified by any facts that had been disclosed. • The Honourable Mr. R. N. BANERJEE: I think I stated in my speech •that we have already in so many words asked them to exclude all normally resi­ dent Indians from the scope of the Regulations. The Honourable Pandit HIRDAY NATH KUNZRU,: I have very clearly ♦stated that myself. I said we knew from the speech of my Honourable friend rthat the Government of India was doing their very best to see that the Regula­ tions are not ^worked in such a way as to do injustice to Indians normally resident in Kenya. It is perfectly true, as my Honourable friend has said, that they are trying to have Indians completely exempted from the operation of the Regula­ tion, but my point is that instead of asking the Kenya Government now to act m such a way that no injustice may be done to Indians they should, before •they consented to^the issue of the Regulation, have drawn the attention of that 'Governments to this vital point. ; Sir, the manner in which the Government of India have acted in connection with this Regulation shows that they are not in a position to obtain the views of the Indian community in East Africa before deciding upon their course of action in regarding to measures affecting Indian interests! We know now, Sir, from the representation submitted to Government on behalf of the Indian ■commercial community in Kenya that about 10,000 Indians had to leave Kenya practically at the instance of the Kenya Government. Were th£ Government -of India aware of this fact when they gave their consent to the Regulation? Did they know that the number of Indians going to East Africa was much below the normal when they informed the Governments of East Africa that they had 'Do objection to the issue of this Regulation? Sir, the lesson of what has happened seems to me to be that the Government of India should have some regular channel for the receipt of information bearing on Indian interests from E^st Africa. This is the most important point which 'requires the attention of the Government of India now. So far as I know, they ■took no steps to ascertain the opinion of the Indian community in regard to this Regulation. It is a matter of regret to us that on go important a matter they WITHDEAWAL OF REGULATIONS RESTRICTIN’G ENTRY OF INDIAN 6§5 ' IMMIORANT8 INTO KEjfYA. should nut have tried to find some means of J^nowing the views of the Indian (Community. Action* is thus urgently called for with a wiew to the .provision of means whereby the Government of India might be able to keep themselvqs regularly informed of the promulgation of rules and regulations affecting Indians and of their opinions regarding ‘them. I personally think that it is highly desirable that there should be an Agent of the Government of India in East Africa. But before taking any deci­ sion in this matter, I think the Government of India should consult the Indian community so that any step that may be taken* may have their full consent. I know, Sir, -that it w’ould not be easy for us to persuade His Majesty’s Government to allow an Indian Agent to be appointed in East Africa. We have been asking for a long time that we should be allowed to send an Agtnt of ours to Fiji. The need for a representative of the Government of India there is quite clear. And yet His Majesty’s Government have not seen their way up to now to accept the very reasonable request made more than once by the Government of India. They may again not agree to a request for the appointment of an Indian Agent in East Africa. But I think that in view of what has happened in connection with, the Regulation that we ar§ discussing it is absolutely necessary that we. should for our part lay the utmost stress on the immediate need for the appointment of an Indian fepresentative in East Africa. If His Majesty’s •Government decline to allow us to appoint an Agent in East Africa like tho Agents that we have in South Africa and Ceylon, the responsi­ bility will be theirs. We have, however, no reason to doubt that even if the representations of the Government of India hear fruit in ♦connection with the operation of the. immigration Regulation, that position will be completely satisfactory in future unless the Government of India are able to *keep themselves constantly in touch with the Indian community to whom it is Jtheir desire and privilege to accord full protection. ♦The H onourable Mr . P. N. SAPRU: Sir, a point which w'as stressed by ‘the Honourable Mr. Hossain Imam is that permanent residents should not in any case have been included in these Regulations. Is it conceivable that the Honourable Mr. Parker, who is an esteemed jnember of this House, would be (excluded by any Regulation from entering his country because he has resided in this country for about 5 or 10 or 15 years? Is it conceivable that we in this 'Country could exclude any Indian who had resided in the United States for 10 or 15 years or for 5 years or 3 year*, even temporarily, and even in w'ar-tiftie ? I think In war-time we would like to give him latitude which he does not get at'any other i;ime. I think there-is something fundamentally wrong with the moral con­ ceptions governing the relationship of the white races and the brown taces in East Africa. If there h#d not been something wrong with their moral concep­ tions, I say they would never have thought of a Regulation such as the one they have actually enacted in East Africa. I think the Honourable Member Mr. Hossain Imam made the most partinent observation in the debate tcday that it is a grave reflection on the Governments of East Africa that they should be restricting the entry of permanant residents into their own adopted homeland. Sir, it was stressed by the Honourable Pandit Kunzru that the Government of India did not know exactly what the effect of thesS Regulations would be until the East African Indian Association had brought to their notice what the effect of these Regulations would be on their interests in East Africa. The lesson that he drew from all this was that it was necessary for us to have a diplomatic representative in Kenya. ^You may call him an Agent. You cannot have a High Commissioner. You may call him an Agent or by any other name. But you need in Kenya a representative who will look after the interests of the Indians resident in Kenva. We are better informed about Ceylon because we have an Agent there. We have no Agent in Trinidad, in British Guiana or in Fiji, and we Have no Agent in East Africa; therefore we do not get accurate information about the condition of Indians in those countries in time for us lo assert ourselves. ______•Not corrected by the Honourable Member 666 council or s tate [6 t h A p r il 1944 i;Mr. P. N. Sapru. 1 ' Sir, the Government of India issued a Communique which would suggest to one that they had accepted the case of the East African Government that these Regulations were temporary Regulations necessitated by war conditions, bj acute shortage of food and by the fact that there was a shortage of housing accommodation. Any casual reader of the Communique would have placed that interpretation. 1 do not think that it could have been the intention of the Gov­ ernment of India that that interpretation should be put upon their Communique But they cairfe to issue that Communique in that way because they .had no* Agent or diplomatic representative in East Africa. I hope that the quest'on of an Agent will be taken up seriously by the new Commonwealth Relations Department. : Sir, the Honourable Mr. Banerjee said that in view of the assurances that had beeh given by the East African Government, there was no reason to appre­ hend that these Regulations were jiot of a temporary nature and that they repre­ sented an effort to tighten* up the policy of excluding Indians from the African* continent. Sir, we have got to take a whole view* of the situation. It is gene­ rally well-known that it is the ambition of Fiel4-Marshal Smuts that the Africaiv contingent should be dominated by the white settlers, the Dutch and the British of South Africa. * There has been much talk of a Federation between South Africa and the East African countries. We know what the policy of the South African Government is------M r. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): Order, order. Seeing that the Resolution has been accepted by Government, why should you want to elaborate your argument? T he H onourable M r . P. N. SAPRU: I am just winding up, Sir. It is necessary to 6ay all this because the Resolution may be accepted and yet the Department of Commonwealth Relations may sleep over the Resolution. I da not say that they w^ilh Mr. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): I do not know whether you need Jpbour the point- The H onourable Mr. P. N: SAPRU: I do not suggest in the slightest degree that they will sleep over the Resolution. I know that the Department of Com­ monwealth Relations is vigilant in safeguarding Indian interests to the extent possible. Butf'it is desirable that we should have our point of view placed before the House before the Resolution is carried. All that I would like to say is that the Government of India should continue to be vigilant and should not accept the assurance that the East African Government has given at its face value. I hope, Sir, that this Resolution will meet with the acceptance of the House. The H onourable M r . R. N. BANERJEE: S;r, some Honourable Members wanted to have some information. My Honourable friend Mr. Hossain Imam wanted to know whether there were any figures about the number of immigrants now going to these Colonies. I am afraid it has not been possible for us to obtain these figures although we have been trying to get them. But we have got certain figures of the number of passports issued and they indicate that the number of passports issued is now less than 50 per cent, of the number issued in normal years. He also thought that dependants might be kept out of the restric­ tions. We have taken up that question and we have had an assurance that others ordinarily classed as dependants would have the same rights as normal residents. We have further urged on tljem to include in this class orphaned nephews, nieces and grand-children, widowed mothers, sisters, daughters, invalid father or mother or son evejn above 18 years of age and younger brothers of the husband or the wife who are in fact dependent on the head of. the family for their maintenance. I think, Sir, the House will agree that we have tried to safeguard as large a circle of dependants as possible. * My Honourable friend Pandit Kunzru seemed to suggest that we had really consented to these Regulations. Sir, we could hardly be said to have consented although, in all the circumstances t>f the case, the-attitude we have had to take WITHDRAWAL OF REGULATIONS RESTRICTING ENTRY OF I Nr IAN 667 IMMIGRANTS INTO KENYA. may have the appearance of acquiescence. Bift! this attitude has been forced on us because we have had very little time. As I explained in my opening speech, we were hardly'given more than two or three weeks and, as I said, after all, this Government is one of the constituent colonies of the Commonwealth and during war-time we had no reason to think that they would steal a march over us and iattempt on this occasion to get through a temporary measure which they would let harden later on into a permanent one. Ordinarily we could not challenge the bona fides of a Colonial Government. As regards the limit of two years, we felt that this provision for exemption was really intended to accommodate all those normal residents who cared to go back. It now appears in the light of the information we have had from the Indian leaders here that many of them have been absent for more than two years. Obviously they have not cared to go back. The Colonial Governments must have thought and there was no reason for questioning their bona fides—that the two years’ limit would be enough. They have, however, given us an assurance that each particular case would be dealt with on it§ merits and due allowance will be made for the facts and circumstances of each case. This, Sir, I understand to mean that if a man has been away for more than two years for reasons beyond his control and if he does want to get back to his own Colony, be would be given a permit. But, as I have said, the full implications of this were not clear to us and we have again taken up this question and we have gone bo far as to demand that all such people should be completely exempted from the provisions of these restrictive Regulations. As regards an Agent/ Sir, the Honourable Member himself is well aware of the history of it but apart from the fact that in the past we did try to have an Agent and our efforts had to be abandoned, I understand that even the Indian community in Kenya are none too anxious to have an Agent. They apparently feel themselves strong enough to safeguard their own interests. I have been told they rather resent any sort of spoon feeding by their mother country. T he H onourable Mr. P. N. SAPBU: What about some kind of a diplomatic representative? • The H onourable Mr . E. N. BANERJEE: As there is a strong feeling ex­ pressed in the House, I think that Government will take that up again. The only other point to which I need refer is the question of my Honourable friend Mr. Kalikar. He wanted to know whether rules have been framed under the Reciprocity Act. Rules are framed, Sir, only in respect of any particular country to which wre want to apply the Act. As regards South Africa, rules have been framed although they have not yet been actually brought into force for reasons which are generally known to Honourable Members of the House, the reason being that we have had certain delicate negotiations going on and we have been taking a little time to give these negotiations a chance. Rules have not been framed for all countries, because apparently the requirement is that rules should be framed ad hoc for any particular country to which the Act has been applied. But we all hope that the occasion for applying the Act to any of these Colonies will not arise. We have no reason to thitak that we shall not be able to obtain a hearing and get our grievances redressed in the ordinary way. As I said in my speech, more than 20 yeara ago determined efforts were made by the. European settlers to have permanent legislation excluding Asiatics from the Colonies and those efforts were turned down by His Majesty's Government and I believe more or less the same is the attitude of His Majesty's Government now. We are not so helpless in this matter. Apart from that, I think we would not have to go to this length. To talk at this stage of applying the Act would be very much like, as we say in our own language, “ Loading a cannon to kill a mosquito” . This is all the information that Honourable Members wanted. I can generally sav again that all the suggestions made will be carefully considered and there will be no slackening of efforts on the part of Government in this matter. 668 council or stats [6 th A pril 1944 M r . CHAIRMAN (The H o n o r a b l e Sir David Devadoss): Resolution moved: "This Council recommends to the Governor General in Council to take immediate uteps to secure the withdrawal of the Regulation* having the effect of restricting the entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya whicn came into force recently.** Question put and Motion adopted.

RESOLUTION RE INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IN THE CENTRAL SERVICES.

The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM (Bihar and Orissa: Muham­ madan): Mr. Chairman, I rise to move: — "This Council recommend* to the Governor General in Council that the share of Muslim* in central services be increased to 30 per cent, of the total, direct recruitment and promo­ tion* being combined.’ * This Resolution, Sir, is a temporary measure, because we do not contem­ plate the existence of the Government of India for any length of time. We belicvi in a Government of Hindustan and of the North-Western and North­ Eastern Muslim Zones. The Honourable Sir GOPALASWAMI AYYANGAR (Madras: Non- Muhammadan): Why avoid Pakistan? The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM :> It is a nomenclature which has been thrust upon us by our friends of the sister nation. Sir, I was saving that this is a temporary measure in two senses. One 1 have already explained and the other is that we do not wish to have a share in the services of the country in excess of our population. It is in cider that our past, deficiency might be made up that I have asked for 80 per cent, till such time as we reach our population quota. Sir, few people are aware of the facts of the situation. The Government of India, by their Resolution which hue been called by some as the Chhota Communal Award, give with one hand and take it away by the other hand. There are two exemptions from the obligation of the 25 per cent, reservation. Firstly, certain services said to be technical and scientific are outright exempted from the operation* of the percentage^ Secondly, Sir, all promotion are out of the purview of this communal proportion. There is a third also, which re a lapse provision, the third arm of the Thrisool. If I do not get my quota in the frst year it is carried over to the second year; but if in the second year too I fail to secure my qtfota, it lapseB. There is no cumulative effect. If you wish to punish u nation, the best way is to refuse it for the first year and then for the second year and then you are safe. All these operations have been in exis^e ice for very nearly 10 years. The Resolution of the Home Department was issued in July, 1934 and the Government of India by its negligence nrade it almost a dead letter. We were just told this morning that out of 660 people employed as Civilian Gazetted Officers only 111 were Muslims, and when we ask for facts and figures about other services we are mostly refused because it is not possible to collect the information. It is a strange thing that the Government of India can make a rule but it will never see that it is observed or not. A prudent business man is not content with having only rules and regulation.?, but he watches for the progress report. You get job analysis to see how the work is going on. Here in the Government of India they have tried to console us by giving a seemingly just distribution. But the test of the pudding consists in its taste. When we want to find out whether we have got the 25 per cent, or not we find that mostly information is not available, and whenever it is available it shows that it is not being observed. I have therefore tried, Sir, to ask Government as a temporary measure to increase our proportion to 80 per cent. The Honourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR: Temporarily? The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Yes. We do not contemplate the existence of India for all times. It will necessarily be a temporary measure because in Hindustan where I and my friends of the Progressive Party INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IN CENTRAL SERVICES -will be living I will be thankful for 10 or 12 per cent. We have before us rihe example of two provinces. When Bengal and Bihar were separated, most Bihnris preferred to migrate to their own province rather than remain in Bengal. The H onourable Mr. P. N. SAPRU: Where will you migrate? T i i b Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: The service people will prefer to migrate to their own homeland. Similarly even if you have this propor­ tion of Muslims in the services they will prefer to go to the Muslim homeland. 'They will not be a drain on the resources of Hindustan. bir, 1 was saying that I have asked this as a temporary measure. Now .it is unthinkable that a minority should get a share less than its population would justify. The population of Muslims in India is now 26*84 per cent, in British India according to the Census Report, page 102. On page 96 you will find that in the urban areas the Muslims are 28*16 per cent, in British India. Education being confined to the urban areas, I think the r*M* Muslims would not be unfair in demanding their representation in .the services on this basiB. When I ask for an increase on that basis it is in order to counteract the exclusions. 1 am being exactly just. I do not want any generosity. I wish that bare justice should be done to the Muslims. The position so far is, that in the rule-making powers every Department is tryiug to increase the proportion of promotions from the Services. The pro­ portion of people taken into higher Services by means of promotion has substantially increased from what it was in 1983 and I would ask the Home Department to examine the figures and see if my allegation is correct or not. I say, Sir, that in the All-India Services like the I.C.S. you have only 20 per cent, reserved for promotions from the provincial Services. In the I.P . a]so similar is the provision but in many offices of the Government of Indi* the proportion has now gone up to 50 from promotions because this rule does not apply. 1 therefore do not ask the Government to give us a share in the promotions if they find that suitable people are not available. I do wisb that the sum total of the Muslims to be recruited either from direct recruit­ ment or by promotion should be added up together. For instance, if you have to take ten men and you lake five by promotion and five by direct recruitment and you get only one man by promotion I would ask that our quota of three should be made up by two being taken from direct recruit­ ment or if they get two by promotion then we should be only entitled to havo one seat in the direct recruitment. It would not be doing any injustice to either of the two nations who inhabit India. I, Sir, for one am tnxiou* * to have communal harmony and the best method of having communal harmony is to have specific shares in the loaves and fishes of office. It is this which has been causing the greatest acrimony and distress and creating all kinds of difficulties in our way. I would remind the House of the system which prevails in Madras. This is the rotation system whereby posts are open to certain specific communities in turn. I am not here either praining or deprecating the quota in the system of the distribution of office of the Madras Government; but I place that before you as a model which ha* to a £reat extent made the relationship between the communities in Madras better than it is in northern India. We are always told, Sir, that the Muslima for tlie impossible; they ask for more than their full share and they are not prep a rod to have any compromise. May I say that the sister nation hat never shown that generosity and understanding which is necessary to inspire confidence in the minority. The majority will remain a majority. * You cannot turn a majority into a minority but it is the duty of the majority to inspire confidence in the minority: to assure them that they will be getting a fair deal. I ask you, Sir, is it a fact or not that industries in order to prosper are given protection? They are given a position which is better than that- of the competing trade of other nations. If that is justifiable in the case of the so-called national industries would it not be justifiable if you would give us a helping hand now when we are in most of the Government of India *» b 2 670 c o u n c il o p s t a t e [ 6 t h A p ril 1944i [Mr. Hossain Imam.] important higher services less than 12 per cent. ? If we had, for instance,, left the textile trade of Bombay to face the Japanese competition our textile industry would have been ruined. If that system can be adopted fo^ pro­ tecting a private enterprise, not a State enterprise, is it not necessary—in fact one ot tiie forepaost functions of the Government as at present conceived is that of equalising the distribution of wealth—is it not necessary th^t the Muslims and other minorities should be given a protection in the ^hape of reservation. We have, Sir, only this session or during the last session learnt that reservation has been made for the Depressed Classes. I welcome tha# resi rvntion Sir, and I claim that the “ Suppressed Classes” to which I belong, have also a right in the loaves and fishes of office. I do hope, Sir, that the Government would consider an amendment of their present rules. The ‘ ‘lapse'r provision is most inequitable and the increase in the proportion reserved for promotion is a grave injustice to us and nullifies all the good effects of the reservation which has nominally been made. ' In this connection, Sir, I should also like to invite the Government's attention to a ‘certain practice in the Railway Department. In the Railway Department the reservation for the Anglo-Indians which is 011 the face of it 8*1 /3rd per cent. But it is so distributed to certain Departments that the Anglo* Indians do not get their share in all services of 81/8rd per cent. That 81/3rd per cent. Sir, is reserved in certain Departments at an increased proportion. There are certain Departments where the recruitment of Anglo- Indians is up to 50 per cent, because certain posts have been classified as of equivalent status and the share of those services has been given in one service. Similarly, you should have a provision of that nature, whereby instead of exempting services from the operation of the Communal Award you should make a rule that if Muslims are not available in certain classes of fcppoint- ments their share should be given in equivalent class. We would only tsk the Government, Sjr, to follow in the case of Muslims the provision which is already there for the Anglo-Indians. If these concessions are made, Sir, we will at least be able to get what the Government has orally promised but fcrhich in practice during the last nine years they have not been able to give us. I ask the Government, Sir, when so much money is being spent and so much is being said about freedom from want that they should spend a little money and endeavour to collect the figures of the position as it exists at present. *fhe Muslims are getting a raw deal, and it is only through the inaction of the Home Department. I do not charge the Home Department with any intention of harming us, but their inaction has resulted in great harm to us. If they would examine the situation, they would be convinced that so far we have not received what was promised to us. I *vould ffjso like to stress the fact that the Government itself did not come to this conclusion of giving a 25 per cent, reservation to the Muslims all of a sudden. They started with 110 reservation for anybody. Then, in 1923-24 they made a reservation of one-third for equalizing the communal inequalities. But that also failed. Similarly. I claim that the 25 per cent, reservation, with*the riders that have been attached to it, has been a complete failure. If during the whole of the nine years our position has not improved as much as it should have improved, theu there is, I claim, a suitable case for re-examination. And ten years is' not a short period. The notification was issued in 1934; we are in 1944. After nine and a half years we are asking for a review. And as a temporary measure as I said: I am prepared to add the word “ temporaryM if it will satisfy the feelings of my Honourable friends. I would ask them to in­ crease the quota till such time as we get a share in the services commensu­ rate with our population. Sir, with these words, I move the Resolution. The Council then adjourned for Lunch till Half Past Two of the Clock. ■ ■ r The Council reassembled after Lunch at Half Past Two of the Clock, the4* Honourable the Chairman (the Honourable Sir David Devadoss) in the Chair. INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IN CENTML SERVICES 671 Tue H onourable Sardar B ahadur SOBHA SINGH (Nominated N on­ Official) : Sir, I feel that this is rather an inopportune time at which my Honour­ able friend has moved this Resolution. When leaders of all communities, the whole Indian press and every one who has got the welfare of the country at heart is trying to find out a formula of unity and to show a united front to the world, my Honourable friend has thought fit to move this Resolution. It is not so easy as it looks. My friend has suggested that the representation *of th9 Muslim community should be increased to 30 per cent. It means an increase of 5 per cent, over the existing percentage. He must realise that this extra percentage should come from some other community's share. In other words, it cannot gain unless some one loses. This reopens the whole thorny question, the subject and the principle on which the communal re­ presentation in the Services should be based. I want, Sir, at this stage, to state briefly the point of view of my community, which, I may just recall is one of the less favoured of the minorities. Between 1925 and 1934 the policy *of the Government was to reserve for members of the minority communities, which term included Muslims, Sikhs, Indian Christians, Anglo-Indians and Domiciled Europeans and Parsees, a certain number of vacancies filled by 'direct recruitment. It was represented by the Muslims that this policy failed to secure for them their due share and the position could not be remedied unless a fixed percentage of the vacancies was reserved for them. I would like to deal here with the circumstances under which the Muslim community got this special treatment. 1 would like also to deal here with the circum­ stances in which the interests of the Sikhs have suffered and suggest the way for their protection. Government have now reserved 50 per cent, of all future vacancies in the civil departments for candidates with war service. Such candidates will be entitled to even 'more than oO per cent, of the vacancies reserved for them in case suitable candidates are forthcoming. The Muslims are lucky enough to get a fixed quota reserved for them. It means 25 per cent, for them and they will, as in the past, naturally benefit most in spite •of their meagre war services—(An Honourable Member: “ Question?” )—as com­ pared to those rendered by the Sikhs. I will show you. Since the Indian Christians and Anglo-Indians command a greater influence in the higher services as well as in the personnel of the Selection Committeest they are bound to get even under the present scheme of things a larger fchare out of the quota reserved for Anglo-Indians and Christians. Parsees and Sikhs come "together As such, it would indeed be most unfortunate for my community and a real injustice to them who are making the largest sacrifice for the cause and are suffering. They have so far secured only nominal representation in the Central and other services of the Government of India. The following census returns of 1941 will show at a. glance the proportion of the Sikhs amongst ether minorities in British India excluding Indian States which have been grouped together by Government in their Resolution cited above. Sikhs 41.65.000, Indian Christians 32,45,000, Anglo-Indians 1,18,000, Parsees 1.01.000. These figures indicate the numerical strength of the Sikhs is much larger than the other three minority communities combined together with whom they have been bracketed in the matter of allocation of services. By working out an analysis, they are entitled to 5-6 per cent, out of the 8 1/3 per cent, reserved for all the above mentioned communities. It is distressing to find that the Sikhs are not getting even one per cent, of the share. The actual working of the above mentioned Resolution has proved that a stage has been reached when a separate fixed quota is absolutely essential to safeguard the interests of the Sikh community which plays an important role in the defence of the Linpn*e. The figure? in regard to the financial contribution :/;ade by the Sikh community in different provinces for the maintenance of the ad­ ministration are not readily available and from whatever information has beeh gleaned I find that in the Punjab Province alone they pay as much as 40 per cent, of the total revenue and water rates. It is regretted that the figures regarding the taxes paid by the Sikhs on their income, etc., are not available. <672 . fcouN cu. o f s t a t k ! [6th April 1944f [Sardar Bahadur Sobha Singh.] but the figures even if handy, I am confident, would not lmve been dis­ couraging, if compared with the taxes paid by the other communities. It is­ a matter of great pleasure to me that in the cause of the King Emperor and the country my community has put in the maximum effort so far as the Services and th e Army are concerned. The latest published figures bs given helow will show the present representation of the different communities in the Army. Muslims 32 per cent., Sikhs 8*5 per cent., Hindus 49*5 per cent., Gurkhas 6, Christians 6 and others 3-4. Now, comparing this war effort to the actual population of the Sikhs, they have done eight and a half times of their popu­ lation. In the last Great War also our community by way of men and money was the highest of all other communities. The Sikhs formed 30 per cent, of the total strength of the Army and their services were recognised as of the highest character. With the expansion of the Army, our contribution, as stated above, has gone much greater and deserves special consideration. It is a matter of great pride to me and to my community to have won two out of three V. .C&. in this war. In the matter of medals so far awarded for- ineritorious and distinguished services readered during the present war, the Sikhs are also leading other communities. Similar distinctions were achieved' by the Sikh^ during the last Great War. In fact sver since the start of British rule in this country the Sikhs have always been faithful and loyal to- the British Government and their martial spirit has ^induced them to come for­ ward always in the cause of the King and the country. If the present Resolution is accepted, the Muslim community will get much more than their share. The Government reviewed the Muslim represen­ tation in 1934 and reserved for them 25 per cent, of the vacancies and to keep* the rc.-maining 8* for minority communities other than Muslims. In that con­ nection Government did not fail to show special favour to Anglo-Indians and Domiciled Europeans by reserving lor them 8 per .;ent. of the vacancies. Consequently the Government had to increase also the reservation of 33$ till then adopted fpr all minority communities, by another 6 per cent, in order to safeguard the interests of the minorities other than' Muslims tmd Anglo- Indians. On this occasion no special reservation was made ior the members of the Scheduled Castes, but the Government expressed the hope that quali­ fied candidates from the Scheduled Castes would not be deprived of their oppoi I unities of appointment merely because they could not succeed in open competition. The result oi the working of the scheme tor nine full years was not fcatisluctory from the point of viewr of Scheduled Castes and they felt that they did not get their due share in the services. The question was reviewed as a result of a cut motion in the Assembly last year and Government have now decided that out of every 12 vacancies tilied by direct recruitment 1 should go to a member of the Scheduled Castes. Thus it will be seen that the policy of communal representation in services adopted in 1925 was first revised iu 1934 in favour of the Muslims and Anglo-Indians generally in so far as Railways and Posts and Telegraphs Department were concerned, and again it wfas revised in 1948 in favour of the Scheduled Castes. 1 do not grudge the representation which has been conceded to these communities, but in fairness to my community I must say that it has been entirely negleoted. The Sikh community with 41,65,000 population has bean left in the oold to take its chance along with other Indian Christians. Surely, Sir, my com­ munity deserves better treatment and you cannot deny our contribution to the State in men and money. If you are gding to upset the general position, in fairness to my community I must request the Government that a fixed percen­ tage of vacancies should also be given to the Sikhs. By contrast with the special favour shown to the Anglo-Indian community who are .1,14,000 the treatment meted out to Sikhs who number 41,65,000 becomes all the more glaring. I am not mentioning this to ask that any special favours should at on2e hi* shown to the Sikhs. I am only emphasising the point that I made in the beginning that you cannot touch this problem without raising the whol* INCREASE OF MUSLIM8 IN CENTRAL SERVICES 0 7 3 question and 1 said that it is not an opportune time to move a .Resolution like thi*. The Honourable Mr. V. V. KALlKAli (Central Provinces: Geueral): Sir, ii I take part in this debate, I do so not with the intention of importing heat or of bringing about any controversy in this debate, but with a view to place before the House that my Honourable friend Mr. Hossain Imam has 1101 made out any case in favour of his Besolution. 1 do not wmn to enter into detailed figures of population. But 1 base my stand on a general figure. There art: 40 crorcs of Indians in this country und I speak, Sir, and I have always spoken on the floor of this House about Indians, not for Hindus, not for Sikhs, not for Muhammadans, not for Parsees, not for Anglo-Indians or Domiciled Europeans. I base my stand on the question of representation in the services of Indians as a whole. The Besolution of the Government of India is there and we cannot upset it. Personally, Sir, I am not in favour of communal representation in the services. My argument against it is that if you enter into these controversies, there will be no end to it. Moreover, the efficiency of the public services will be deteriorated if you begin to recruit candidate# from the communal point of view. However, Sir, the position is that the Resolution of 1934, stands. But my friend says that he wants to increase the percentage from 25 to 30. This document is practically in favour of Muham­ madans. If you see section 7(1) you will find that 25 per cent, has been reserved for the Muslims and 8J per cent, for other minorities. But if you see sub-clauses (2) and (3) of this Besolution, you will find that if 25 per cent, is not secured by the Muslims by open competition', then the Government try to bring about the ratio by wav of nomination. I object to that, Sir. But I cannot upset that Besolution. I object *to that on this ground. Supposing from other minority communities or major community, the Hindu com­ munity, qualified candidates are available through open competition, why should you nominate more Muslims because you want to reach that ratio? That will certainly deteriorate the efficiency of the public services. It is not a question as my friend said of loaves and fishes. If my friend agrees with me on that point that it is not a question of distributing loaves and fishes, then why should he bring in a Besolution and demand that (rovernment should increase the ratio from 25 to 30 per cent. ? Then, Sir, if we look to the Besolution, in sub-clause (5) of clause 7 we find that in all cases a minimum standard of qualification will be imposed and the reservations it r e subject to this condition. That is so far as the Muslims and the other minorities are concerned, they will expect a minimum standard of qualification, w’hile from the majority community or other communities for which no percentage has * been reserved they wrill expeot maximum qualifications. Is it fair, I ask you, Sir, is it fair to the other communities that a minimum standard of qualification should be expected from a particular community or from particular communities and a maximum standard of qualifications should be expected from other communities? Sir, it is only in India that a minimum standard of qualifications is expected from candidates of particular communities simply to reach a particular quota. Nowhere in the w'orld services are recruited on communal basis. Then, Sir, if we look to this Besolution so far as the subordinate services are concerned, I mean the services recruited locally, and if we refer to sub­ clause (I) of clause 8 we find this is the exact wording— “ The total reservation for India as a whole of 25 per cent, for Muslims and 8 1 /3rd per cent, for other minorities will be obtained by fixing a percentage for each railway or local area or circle having regard to the population ratio of Muslims and other minority commu­ nities m the area and the rules for recruitment adopted by the local Government of the area concerned. Now, Sir, I want to put a question to my friend Mr. Hossain Imam. Let us take the case of my Province, the Central Provinces. In the Central Provinces the Muslims are 4 per cent, or even less than that and two or three toes run through my Province. According to his Resolution. I think that though the Muslims are only 4 per cent, he will insist on 30 per cent re­ presentation in thfe railway service. Let us be just. I have already made mv 674 COUNCIL OF s t a t e [ 6 t h April 1944 LMr. V. V. Kalikar.] # position clear and that is that if in that area other communities are not able to supply qualified candidates for the railway service or for any other servioe and if qualified suiatble Muslims are available for services I would rather give them 100 per cent., but in spite of this document favouring particular com­ munities at the cost of other communities, he has the daring to bring forward thi6 Resolution at thi6 time. Let us take the case of other communities, Anglo-Indians and Sikhs. The case of Sikhs has been put before this House very ably just now, so I do not want to advance any more arguments in favour of that community; but in certain classes of services unfortunately you may not be able to find suitable candidates for running those services from a particular community, but, if this Resolution is given effect to then I think thq Government will have to employ '80 per cent., musligas in the railway and other services at the cost of 8ikhs and other communities. Sir, so far as population is concerned iny iriend hub practically no case. Out ot the 40 crores—1 am just taking a round figure; the figure of 1941, is something like 39 but it saust have increased by now—out oi 40 crores only 10 crores are Muslims. And still Sir, in / friend wants to increase the number of Muslims "because his is a favoured community for political purposes with the Government. He has no justification to bring forward a Resolution of this type and do injustice to other communities. Sir, the question that is before us is to raise the proportion from 25 to 30. Wt find, Sir, every year in the other House a debate on this question during tlie ueneral Discussion on the Budget and the Government make statements there showing to the Muslim community that the Home Department, are very careful in watching that the proportion that has been mentioned in the 1934, Beso.ution is reached. But let us take the case of a particular cadre. Suppos­ ing, Sir, in o, particular cadre of service there are four people who ere best qualified and three people have been appointed to particular posts. Does my friend want that, the fourth man who is equally best qualified should not be appointed and that the Government should go to^find out a Muslim for that cadre who is not at all fitted for the job and that they should appoint him? So iar as selection and promotion is concerned, Sir, the Government have stated in thi£ Resolution and also in the various debates that have taken place in the other House that they consider that communal representation should not be introduced. They think that the promotions or selections should be made on merit. I fully agree with them, Sir, on that point. So far as open recruitment is concerned, according to the population basis or even according to the basis of qualification, I do not think my friend ha6 made out a case in favour of his Resolution. He cited the instance of Madras. As he has cited the instance of Madras, I may remind him of my Province also. In my Province 3 pm ^ us^ms number 4 per cent., as 1 said just now. But if you # * look to the police services, the Muslims are 29 per cent. Now, will my Honourable friend agree to my proposal—it is not a proposal made by me, it is just in answer to him—to reduce that percentage, drive away those Muslims^ and bring it to 4 per cent. ? The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: What about the other services in your Province? The Honourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR: I am coming to the other services. In some other services, the Muslims are about 15 per cent. Leave aside these services. The Honourable Member cited the example, I think of Madras? The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: It refers to the Central Services, and police is not a Central service. The Honourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR : I am referring to Madras, because you cited the instance of Madras. Mr. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): The Honour­ able Member will address the Chair. * INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IN CENTRAL SERVICES 675 Thb Honourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR: Yes Sir. I am referring to the Madras case. In the Central Provinces in the Nagpur Municipality, about five years ago when we had to elect a President for the Municipality, out of 42 members only six were Muslims; out of 36 non-Muslims, two were non-Hindus—one a Christian and the other an Anglo-Indian. Thirty-four members were Hindns. ut. Sir, we elected a Muslim President for the Nagpur Municipality. The H onourable M*. HOSSAIN IMAM: A quisling! ‘ Tbb H onourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR: You may call him a quisling, you may call him anything because he may not agree with you in your view. He may not register your decrees. I object to the name "quisling” . The question is whether you want in public services men of suitable quali­ fications or not. If you do not want men of suitable qualifications in public services, then distribute this whole thing to all the minorities, and yon can find any number of minorities in India. Take the case of my own com­ munity in the Maharashtrain community. We are the most oppressed class, if I may use the word; we are the smallest minority among the Hindus. (Interruption.) But we have never asked for reservations. Take the case of Parsees, who have built up a business in Bombay, who are very adventurous in every walk of life: they have never asked for communal representation in public services. In spite of this document being in favour of my Honourable friend Mr. Hossain—this document which his treated other communities most unjustly pnd unfairly—he dares to come forward before this House for increase o! percentage. Sir, I submit that he has practically made out no case, and I therefore oppose this Resolution strongly. The Honourable Sir BUTA SINGH (Punjab: Sikh): Sir, as a representa­ tive of a minority community I am naturally interested in the Resolution moved by my Honourable friend Mh Hossain Imam. Possibly it may give me additional grounds to press the legitimate claims of my community for a fixed proportion according to population in the minority group. 1 uui puzzled however ihul iu> Honourable colleague who stands ior separation iroui Hindustan in areas in winch Muslims .are* in a majority, how he would inamtain his claim in Hindustan proper. 1 wisn omy to clarify the position so that I may press the claims oi my own community. .What would be the position oi ivius-ims ii they separate irom 0 Hindustan? .Would they not lose ail privileges and weightage in .Legislatures and service* which they now enjoy in British India? The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: No weightage in services. % The Honourable Sir BUTA SINGH: How can logically my Honourable colleague who has more than once pressed ior immediate separation now press for increase and weightage in transitional period? Perhaps he would afiord us a clue as to the position of Muslims in Hindustan and minority communities in Pakistan. I presume when he examines the position he may reach the conclusion jbhat his community and other minority communities have more to gain in an Indian Federation than out of it. May 1 now take this opportunity of pressing the claims of my own community. I am not asking for any special treatment. Government has fixed 8 per cent., for the minority group in which my community is included. All that I ask is that our share be fixed in this group in proportion to our population. ^ ^ The Honourable Mr. E. CONRAN-SMITH (Home Secretary) : Sir, having listened to members of various communities urging the claims of their own communities, and assuming that the Honourable Mr. Parker does not want to speak on behalf of the European community, I think perhaps it is now time for me to offer such observations as I can on behalf of Government. Having heard the speech of my Honourable friend Mr. Hossain Imam commending his Resolution, I credit him with ifeeling sincerely that his community has, to use his own words, had a raw deal. I note that, like Oliver Turist, he is asking for more. 676 COUNCIL OF STATE [0th April 1944

The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: And with the same result! The Honourable Mk. E. CONRAN-SMITH: He is asking tor a bigger helping of the communal pudding to which he referred just now when he said that the proof of the pudding was in the eating* I have no doubt he also feels that, having done a good deal to stir the pudfling, he is entitled to a larger share. Now, Sir, having, after listening to the Honourable Member’s speech, credited him with sincerity, I nevertheless feel that he has not really been fair to me or to the House, because he has not in fact spoken to the terms of his Resolution. I will endeavour to analyse what he said very briefly,, and I think the House will then understand why I feel difficulty in replying. I would also like presently .to say a word on the question of the justification for the Resolution being moved in this fifth critical year of war. I recollect that the Resolution was tabled last session and my Honourable friend then said that he regarded it as too important to m ov e jit the fag end of a session. An unkind Fate perhaps because Fate did not agree vith his estimate of its importance has ordained that after all his Resolution should come up at the fag end of an even longer session. Well, Sir, the Honourable Mr. Hossain Imam began by taking the line that his problem is really insoluble except on the basis of a division of India into Hindustan and Pakistan. I assume that he was not merely trailing his coat and hoping I should stop on it, in which case he would no doubt have followed up by saying “ Divide and quit". But assuming that he was serious, then hifc Resolution must be interpreted in this way: “ There is no solution for the communal problem exoept the solution which Mr. Hossain Imam, has put forward, namely, Pakistan. But in the meantime, I ask you to tinker with the Besolution which you have failed so ignominiously to work. I am quite unmoved by his unjust criticism of Government. We work this Resolution very hard, I can assure my Honourable friend of that, and if he knew how many hours I spend every month on working it, he would realise that his accusation is uncalled for. However, I do not labour that point because, being p Government official, I am used to being told I am wrong. Taking the Resolution on the basis on which he commended it, he is agking me to believe that Government will be justified in changing the present percentage for Muslims and increasing it from 25 to 80 with all the attendant dislocation and disturbance of other percentages involved in spite of the fact that he has himself openly stated that the Resolution does not work. He has doubtless not failed to appreciate that other communities do not share his views. That is to say, they have realised that Mr. Hossain Imam is looking at the problem through one pair of spectacles only and that he is concerned only with the share given to one community. fBut he has not said, as other speakers have pointed out, what will "be the effect on the claims of other communities of giving him what he wants. I listened with great respect to my Honourable friends Sardar Bahadur Soba Singh and Sir Buta Singh and I would like to throw them both one crumb of comfort,—I am speaking more especially with reference to the Honourable Sardar Bahadur Soba Singh's reference to the part which the Sikh community is playing in the war,—and that is to remind them that 70 per cent, of the vacancies occurring during the war are being reserved for candidates with war service. I think I am justified in saying that the Sikh community has every reason for hoping that they will get, on the basis of their war service, a very fair share of those vacancies. The H onourable Sir BUTA SINGH: Not necessarily according to the proportions fixed.

The Honourable Mr. E. CONRAN-SMITH: Perhaps I had better explain that point. These percentages are minima. Even now, any community, Muslim or any other, can secure more than the reserved percentage of vacancies. However, the whole question of the application^ of communal pro­ portions to filling war vacancies is a matter which has to be considered. I INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IN CENTRAL SERVICES 677 confess, Sir, that this debate, and more particularly the speech of my Honour­ able friend Mr. Hossain Imam, leaves me with a feeling of considerable depression. The only consolation, if it is a consolation, which Government can draw is that with everybody else disagreeing, it is possible that Govern­ ment are right, and if we continue for the present anyhow to work this Resolution on the basis of the percentages already fixed, then I feel that at any rate we are doing our duty for all communities. Whether the com­ munal pudding will require remarking after the war is another inattfer and I know there are some people who feel that it will. Whether this will take the shape of a different kind of pudding or of a redistribution of its proportions, I do not know, but I say it is possible that after the war, when we start reconstruction, we may be able to reconstruct this extremely difficult problem. Well, Sir, I have to dea; with my Honourable friend s Resolution on the basis oi its terms and i think 1 might still say something briefly on the. specific question which he has raised. He put forward several arguments, in his speech in justification of his Resolution, but there are two particular points* which 1 feel call for some rem arks. One is the attempt which he made to- base his claim on the increase in the percentage of the Muslim population since 1981. He had to admit that the increase in British India as a whole is only somewhere about two per cent. But he bolstered up his case, if I may say so, by making another division of India into rural and urban areas and pointing out that in the urban areas the percentage had increased still more. In those areas, he said the percentage is 2816. I do not know whether he seriously contends that that small increase does justify on the mere basis of' figures an increase in the percentage of vacancies reserved for Muslims to 30. But I would remind him that subjects of Indian States are eligible, subject to a declaration, for appointment to Government posts under the Crown and quite a large number are admitted. The percentage of the Muslim population1 to the whole population of India, is, T think, between 23 and 24 which figure, I think, slightly weakens his argument. v The second general point which I wish to make is this. My Honourable friend proceeded on the assumption that these percentages of reservation in* the Services are related exactly to population percentages. That is not the* case. It was made clear when the 1934 Resolution was frafned that the proportions reserved for minority communities only approximated to, and did not exactly tally with, the population percentages existing at the time when* the Resolution was passed. T would also draw my Honourable friend's atten­ tion to the Government Resolution reserving a percentage of vacancies for Scheduled Castes. He will find that Government stated clearly in paragraph 2* of that Resolution that on the basis of population percentage, the Scheduled Castes were entitled to 12*75 whereas the percentage actually allotted to them was 8J-. That being so, my Honourable friend, even taking his word that the* percentage of Muslims in urban areas is 28, something cannot reallv base a claim to increased percentage of vacancies on that fact. There are one or two minor points which perhaps it is hardly worth my while to touch on. I mentioned just now that these percentages are only minima and the Muslim community is not prevented from obtaining a larger share of the loaves and fishes on the basis of merit. Second, among these minor points, is the fact that the Muslim community is entitled to the residue of vacancies which are reserved for other minorities and not filled by members of those communities. And thirdly, and lastly, there is the point that permanent * appointments are not being made at the moment. That being so. this is defi­ nitely not the time to upset a system which has been working since 1934. T‘ was a little surprised to hear mv Honourable friend say that for the first time in nine and a half vears, if I heard him rishtlv. he was raising this Particular question, because T know to my cost that it was debated at great length in 1939 in another ^place and the aftermath has been with me almosrt consistently 0ifi££ that date; and if we have taken our time in producing results, we hove*. *678 .* COJUNCIL OK state [6 th A pb il 1944 [Mr. B. Conran-Smith.] *s thiB House is aware, issued orders whicE in my view went a long Way to meet the grievances which were then put forwara. My Honourable friend brushed these aside and repeated the allegation which has been made so often that Departments were manipulating the proportions' of posts which are to be filled by direct recruitment and of those to bo filled by promotion. Government aBsued very clear orders on that subject and in doing so they took the opportunity to extend in the Secretariat of the Government of India the proportion of postB which though filled by promotion are not to be filled by selection purely on merit. That point I {eel my Honourable friend might perhaps have graciously recognised. The other portion of the Resolution to which Mr. Hossain Imam devoted some of his speech is the hardy annual about applying the communal rules to ,posts that are filled by promotion. Government’s policy in that respect has been reaffirmed many times. One of the main reasons for maintaining that policy was given by my Hory>urable friend Mr. Kalikar, who pointed out that •Government must remember their responsibility for an efficient administration. ‘ Government have, as I say,, made it plain many times that what they have Tecently done is the most to which they can go in departing in any way from the policy laid down as regards applying communal rules to posts filled by promotion. There is another very small point. My Honourable friend said that * Government had not kept tbe promise which they gave orally. I have not looked up the word “ orally” in the dictionary, but I cannot think that its defini­ tion would cover what Government have written dowTi in black and white in -their Besolution. I thought I should correct that slight misunderstanding. In concluBon, Sir, I would, just for the benefit of my Honourable friend, state exactly what Government have done since 1940 to meet his grievances. There were three main orders passed. The first one passed in 1940 restricted the number of posts excluded on technical grounds from the scope of the communal orders and was intended to ensure that preference is given to candi­ dates of minority communities in making appointments to such posts when the qualifications of the best candidates are approximately equal. Secondly, orders issued last year were intended to regularise and standardise the proportion of 'vacancies filled respectively by promotion and direct recruitment. And thirdly, 'there was a classification made selection and non-selection posts among posts "filled by promotion. Those orders are in force and their execution is being watched. J think therefore that my Honourable friend was less than fair when h e accused Government of having done nothing to meet the viewpoint which had *been expressed by members of his community. Finally, it is hardly necessary perhaps Tor me to say tlTat I cannot accept ?this Besolution and I do not anticipate that the House is likely to wish it to be accepted. My Honourable friend has failed to justify a proposal to upset the working of the existing system at this period of the war and to explain why it 'Could not wait until our attention was a little freer from more critical things. *The H onourable Saiyed MOHAMED PADSHAH Sahib B ahadur (Madras*: Muhammadan): Sir, 1 had no intention of intervening in this debate, because my feeling was that the suggestion that has been made by my friend the Honourable Mr. Hossain Imam was just and fair and calculated to evoke -support from every section of this House. But I find that some of the Honour­ able Members who have taken part in this debate, even though they have admitted the justification for trying to secure their due share to the minority communities, have at the same time taken exception to the specific suggestion made by my Honourable friend Mr. Hossain Imam. In doing bo, these Honourable Members have possibly not quite understood the reason whioh prompted Mr. Hossain Imam to bring this1 Resolution before the House. He has at the very outset of his speech made it clear that even though the Government ‘realised the necessity of securing certain proportions to such classes and nations in India who have not had their due share in the administration of the country they failed to make such provisions in connection with the revision as would

#Not corrected by the ljonourable Member. INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IN CENTRAL SERVICES 67»* go to make that Besolution effective and operative. He has stated that there were two flaws in the .Resolution of 1934. One was that after two years the Muslims could not get their due share in the appointments. They lost thoir right in the share which they had not been able to secure during the. past two * years. The second was that since this Resolution did not apply to promotions, it also went to militate against an'effective working of the Kesolution. Sir, as my Honourable friend Mr. Hossain Imam said the taste of the pudding lies in the eating. We have to sGe how far during the last nine years- the position has changed. I shall give one or two instances' to show that there- has been hardly any change at all in the situation and that if there has been any change that has been more often for the worse and not for the better so- far as the Muslims are concerned. ' My Honourable friend Mr. Kalikar spoke about efficiency. Sir, we do not want anything to be given to any community if that is going to bring down the efficiency of the public service. We are all interested in keeping up the efficiency and the good reputation of the public service but as has been admitted7 by even the Honourable the Leader of the House very often efficiency is merely a cloak for nepotism, favouritism, either communal or individual, and that is fie • experience, Sir, of every one of us. Any one of us who has an open mind on this- matter and who tries to investigate this matter quite fairly and without any prejudices will have to admit that more often than not the excuse of efficiency has been trotted out merely to cloak acts of partiality in favour of some commu­ nity or individual. As an instance of this I will just read out, Sir, one of the questions that was put in the other House during the last Bession by Seth Yusuf ' Abdoola Haroon and the answer given to it. This question and answer will* make it quite clear how effirie.nr.v has been resorted to merely as a cloak for acts- which nre not quite just and fa ir :* “Sf.th Y usuf A bdoola H aroon : (a) Will the Secretary for Posts and Air please state • whether for promotion of linemen to sub-inspector’s grade the Sub-Divisional Officer, Tele­ graphs. is required to maintain a register showing qualifications and other particulars of ~ the linemen? If so, is any check exorcised regarding the correctness of the information: ■ recorded therein by the Sub-Divisional Officer, Telegraphs? (6) Is the Honourable Member aware that a Sub-Divisional Officer, Telegraphs, Lahore ‘ Sub-Division, recorded in such a register incorrect information declaring illiterate officials 1 . *>f his own community as literate and literate officials of the other community as illiterate? (c) It it a fact that cases were brought to thenotice of his successor that wrong particulars had to be made in the register reversing the original positionthe particulars recorded therein ere actually' found to be incorrect and on thorough re-examination whole-sale changes had to be made in the register reversing the original position of personsirregularly promoted?' Tf bo, has any action been taken against the officer who was responsible for Buch gross and' deliberate misrepresentation of facts? If not, whv not?” I will read the answer to these, Sir:— ’ “ («) Yes. * (6), (c) and (c). The facts are substantially correct. A report of the action taken by the Postmaster General is being called for” . So, Sir, this puts beyond all doubt that there have been instances, and not a* few of such instances,, where mis-statements have been recorded, .where deliberate injustice has been done and such deliberate injustice and unfairness* and acts of partiality and nepotism have been clocked under the bugbear of efficiency. Sir, anybody who has got an open mind and who has studied the events during recent years will have to admit that it is too late in the day now to say that Mussalmans of requisite qualifications are not found in any part of the country. It may be, Sir, that in some instances where any technical qualification is necessary there might not be people either from amongst the* Muslims or any other community who might be possessed of those special quali­ fications but in all cases where merely a general efficiency, a general qualification is necessary or general academic qualifications are required, vou could find Mussalmans in sucfc large numbers that they would be able to take up not only the vacancies that are earmarked for them but alBo even many more postB if thev are only made available to them. Sir, it is' too late in the day to say that it is on account of inefficiency that Muslima are kept out of their due'and mv Honourable friend Mr. Kalikar said that in Madras Mussalmans have 28 Der* cent, of representation in the Police Service. * *< 8 0 c o u n c il o r s t a t e [ 6 t h A p ril 1944 The Honourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR: T said in the Central Provinces. T hb H onourable Saiyed MOHAMED PADSHAH Sahib B ahadur: But did my Honourable friend try to find out how many of these belong to the menial service? The only question is whether the Muslims have got their share in all the rank? of service, gazetted, non-gazetted, superior and subordinate. If -only this matter is investigated, I nrn sure, Sir, that the bulk of the Mussalmans in the Police Service in the Central Vrovinces will be found in the menial and » subordinate ranks and very few of tjhem, much less than the proportion that they are entitled to. will be found in the higher ranks of the servioe. The H onourable Mr. V. Y. KALIKAR: I spoke about the subordinate and -superior ranks both. I gave you a percentage of the whole service—29 per cent. Not separately. ’ The H onourable Saiyed MOHAMED PADSHAH Sahib Bahadur : That is r exactly what I mean ------Mr. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): You have already • exceeded your time. You had better finish now. The H onourable Saiyed MOHAMED PADSHAH Sahib B ahadur: My • contention is that the bulk of the Muslims will be found in the inferior ranks o i service but that in the higher ranks there is a paucity of them. I will just dfow the attention of this Honourable House to the position of the Muslims in the Railway Administration. I am not agoing to enter into details. I will just say how during the last five years from 1989 to 1948 the position ot the Mussalmans has steadily and substantially deteriorated in the Railway Administration. Sir, I am giving figures for 1988-39, 1939-40, 1940-41, 1941-42 : and 1942-43. In 1938-39 the proportion of the Muslims in permanent service -of railways was- 27-1; in 1939-40 it was reduced to 248; in 1940-41 it was reduced further to 23*8; in 1941-42 to 21-5; so that at the end of 1942-43 the Muslims had only 19«8 per cent, of the representation in permanent railway services. I will also draw attention to the changes in the position of the majority • community in those years. In 1938-39, our Hindu brethren had 54*4 per cent, of the services; in 1989-40, 58*7; in 1941-42. 65, and in 1942-48, 68-6. The ultimate result is that within nine years the Muslim# have lost 7-8 per cent, of their representation and the majority community have gained 14-2 per cent. The H onourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR: What is the percentage population • of Hindus? r The H onourable Saiyed MOHAMAD PADSHAH Sahib B ahadur: We know that already. Sir, it could not be seriously contended that this result is due to want sf . efficient Muslims in any kind of service. My submission to this* House that this Honourable House should judge of this Resolution on its merits and not be » carried away by prejudice or likes or dislikes. ' Another point that 1 would mention in this connection is that it is in the interests of minorities that care should be taken to see that such grievances do not exist, because, after all, it is only the existence of these grievances on the part of one minority *or another that is the cause of much of the trouble that we find in this country. If only such things are avoided and every section of the population gets its due,, it will go a long way in paving the way for harmony and unity in this land. I would therefore make an earnest appeal to my non- MuBlim brethren here not to misunderstand us but, on the other hand, to try to realise the position in which Muslims are. Being smaller in number, it is natural for them to have apprehensions about their own position in the country. This apprehension is due not only to the inferiority of numbers but also to the suspicion which is- aggravated by the way in which things have been allowed to drift in this country in the matter oT public services. It is in the interests not only of Muslims but of all people here, in the interests of our non-Muslim brethren also, that we should try and do justice to every interest in the country. That will go a long way in bringing about unity and harmony in this land. The H onourable M r. HOSSAIN IMAM: Mr. Chairman, the Resolution has met with the united opposition of ''Haves” . When “ Have-nots” want a thing. . INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IN CENTRAL SERVICES 6SI it is usual for “ Haves” to oppose it strenuously and with all the vigour at their command. I shall deal seriatim with the Honourable Members who spoke in opposition to this Resolution. ^ Sardar Bahadur Sobha Singh regarded the Resolution ae inopportune because the country was thinking of a working formula. Well, I thought that this was the most opportune time, when the country is thinking of coming to some solu­ tion, that the most thorny question sfibuld be settled first. He also excludes Indian India from his purview and rightly stresses the fact that we are con­ cerned with British India. This I say in reply to my Honourable friend Mr. Kalikar.

Thb H onourable Mr. V. V. KALIKAR: You know that Indian India is eligible for a' share in the services. '

The H onourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Out of more than a million people who are employed by the Central Government, I doubt if there are one thousand people who are natives of Indian States. It is wrong to bring in such extraneous -considerations. It is1 just like saving that as the European element in India ^enjoys a* greater share than its population ^ould justify, it is a reason why we should not get our share. The Honourable Member Sardar Bahadur Sobha Singh cited military service. I welcome that suggestion. If that werej^iade a criterion,, we would be entitled, according to the Honourable Member, to 83 per tent, and not to 30 per cent, which I haVe demanded. And the whole of it would come from the pockets of my Honourable friend Mr. Kalikar, who, in spite of his professed 66 per cent., lias given only 49 per cent., according to the Honourable Sardar Bahadur Sobha Singh, to military services. I also take my cue from the Honourable Sardar Bahadur Sobha Singh in another matter. He mentioned that the question of the eligibility of the Depressed Classes was reopened last year and 8$ per cent, was reserved for them. If that can be done without reopening the whole question—this 8$ per cent, must have come from somebody’s pocket—if this* can be done without any trouble, why cannot this 5 per cent., wrhich I have demanded, .be given? This modest 5 per cent, will not upset the whole calculation and the whole of the 'equilibrium of the mind of mv Honourable friends. The H onourable Mr. E. CONRAN-SMITH: On a point of explanation, Sir. May I point out that what my Honourable friend said was not only that, he wanted an increase to 30 per cent., hut, he wanted direct recruitment and promo­ tion worked together, so that where his community failed to get their share in the promotion field, they would get it in the direct recruitment field, and vice versa? That would be a very complicated system to work, indeed. Thb Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM : Sir, oiir difficulty is that the Gov­ ernment shifts its position every time that we make an attack. When they find one position to be untenable, they retire to another height and from there start sniping. We waid w’e wanted a sfyare in the promotions. Then it was said that it would upset the efficiency of the services. All right; do not give any share in the promotions, but tag it on to direct recruitment, so that an overaQ. quota might be fixed. So many Muslims are to be taken, no matter how many get in through promotion and how many through direct recruitment. If they all come through promotion, I would not ask for a Bingle Muslim to be got by ►direct recruitment. This will not be so difficult in these days of increased -efficiency for military works. I think there shoulS not be any great difficulty in framing rules and regulations, so that you may carry forward the promotions of one year to the recruitments of another and thereby equalize the position. Then, Sir, the Honourable Mr. Kalikar objected to the fact that appointments are not made by pure competition but by nominatiqji. May I remind him that in days gone by, Indians used to get their share in the I.C.S. by means rf nomination and not on the basis of competition ? The tables have turned now; it 3s the British proportion of the Indian services which gets in by nomination and COUNCIL OF STATE [6TH APRIL 1944 [Mr. Hossain Imam.J ^competition. Therefore'I sa^ this is nothing novel that I have proposed. This thing was being worked right up to the outbreak of the war. The Secre­ tary of State was nominating British personnel for the I. C. S. without any competitive examination. For everything which I ask I always see whether there is a precedent or not and I mostly find that I can get the precedent from the good practices of the Government of India, for all the innovations that I make. But the only innovation that I want is that the6e things be translated for my nation. This is my innovation. The Honourable Mr. Kalikar suggested that there should be no communal consideration in promotion. I have not asked for communal consideration, but our charge is that there is a communal consideration in promotions, and that the Muslims are victimised. I am told, Sir, that out of 221 promotions in the last few years, there were only 15 Muslims taken. In the Department of the Honourable the Leader of the House, the Posts and Telegraphs Department out of 186, there were only 11 Muslims in Gazetted Ranks*. That shows that there is some hanky-panky somewhere, and it has been tactically admitted hy the Government themselves by theirgfevision of the rules. We have to wait and see how this new rule is circumvented. There is no doubt in my mind that until you have a radical cure, the tinkering in which the Home Department has embarked will not see us through. ^

The Honourable Mr. E. CONRAN-SMITH: You want more tinkering? The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: I want a radical cure. If you haye a combined quota, you will thereby be doing away with injustice for all time. Then, Sir, he instanced the number of Muslims that are now in service in the Central Provinces police but he did.not reply to my point where I had brought before his notice the system which operates in Madras. There is no system in what you have said; you mentioned facts only. Sir, while I am on the subject of Madras I should iike the Government to consider the position of non-Brahmans who are not getting a fair deal from the Government of Indi* I know, Sir, that the Brahmans are stronger than they can justly or rightfully claim to be,and therefore they are very perturbed whenever any one else wants to get a share in the loaves and fishes of office. The Honourable Sir Buta Singh asked me a direct question about the representation of the minorities in the Pakistan. I can assure him that they will get a better deal than they have received under the Government of Tndia. The Sikhs, Sir, are 1-4 per cent, in the population of India and they get 2-84 per cent, in the railway services, and the railway services are responsible for nearly 75 per cent, of the services under the Government of India. Coming to the Honourable the Home Secretary, I can well imagine the consternation of the parish official of the Council at Oliver Twist asking for more. Mr. Bumble was horrified but the verdict of posterity was not for the parish official but in favour of Oliver Twist. 1 am fortified bv the example which he gave that I am in the right and he is in the wrong. He mentioned—and I do> not deny—that the Home Department is hard worked. But the whole tiling lies* in actual facts. When I say oral promises, I mean promises which had not been so far translated into action. I had reallv translated an Urdu proverb: “ Zab*xni jafna-kherch” . He gave us some hope that the whole question might— not that it is intended but mteht—be reopened after the war. But may I say that the reason why I brought it now if? that the number of appointments at the disposal of the Government is far greater in war-time than in peace-time, and the amount of money that is beim* spent bv the Government now is far in excess of what could reasonably be expected to be spent bv the Central Government in peace-time? It is therefore necessary that somethin? should be done now. T for one do not believe in anything but actual facts. The facts are against the Home Department. Mv Honourable friend Mr. Padshah has quoted certain figures. I should like to cite one or two figure* only. The combined percentage of Muslims for permanent and temporary recruitment to the Railways was 31*2* in 1936-87, and it has "one down to 24*7 per cent. So, instead of there being it> INCREASE OF MUSLIMS IK CENTRAL SERVICES. 683 increase, there is a decrease of nearly 6£ per cent*, in the total employment of Muslims in the Railways. Does it show that the Home Department's efforts have been successful or does it prove my case that if you make a rule, it is circumvented in no time, as there is no supervising authority? In the percent­ ' age figure of permanent recruitment the same story can be seen. In 1988-39, the percentage of Muslims over-all was 27-1; in the last year, it was 19*3. Does that show that your rules are being worked in the spirit in which they were made? Sir, in the Department over which the Leader of the House presides, I find that in the cadre of Engineering Supervisors*, General and Telegraph Electrical Supervisors and others, the number of Muslims in service was 22 against 174 Hindus, and the number of Sikhs was 9. That means you had a share about 40 per cent, of the Muslims; and yet the Honourable Satdar Bahadur Bobha Singh complained that the Sikhs were not getting a good deal. In the cadre of Wireless Supervisors, there were 141 Hindus to 14 Muslims. These are the figures from the latest available report of the Posts and Telegraphs Depart­ ment for the year 1940-4*. I could not get a later report. I base my case on the equity of my demand. I do not wish to ask for favours. If it were the solitary experience of one or two years I would think that it might have been due to certain causes. But if there is a deterioration both ip the numbers recruited as well as in the over-all percentage, I gravely distrust the machinery under which this kind of thing can happen. The Honourable the Home Secretary conveniently remained silent on my 4 pm attack on his system of lapses. The carry forward is only for one ’ * year and after that it is dropped, as if an injustice can become a rightful thing by its repetition. I, Sir, have not been able to cite many instances of trampling of Muslim rights which I could have done, due to the fact that I was absent from here and returned only after 9 a.m. thi* morning. Otherwise I would have given exhaustive figures in relation to the new Govern­ ment of India Departments which have been formed and are functioning in Delhi where the rights of Muslims have been trampled over------Thb Honourable Mr. E. CONRAN-SMITH: May I interrupt the Honour­ able Member, Sir? I believe the Industries and Civil Supplies Department, which i& a new Department, has a preponderating number of Muslims in it. That could be verified. Thb Honourable Mr. HOSjJAIN IMAM: Mr, Chairman, I will Just, quote to my Honourable friend the reph which I received this morning that out of 660 Civilian Gazetted Officers there were only 111 Muslims. Unfortunately I could not get at „the reply which I received about the Supply Department. Instead of 25 per cent, they do not even get 20 per cent. In the Food Depart­ ment out of 71 there are only 13 Muslims. In the Sugar Controller’s office, out of 8 there is not a single Muslim. In the office of the Regional Food Commis­ sioner out of 8 there is one Muslim. Do you say you are keeping a vigilant eye? If this is the measure of the vigilance of the British Government, I tremble, Six', over the fate which may await us in the East. I brought this Resolution with the idea of getting justice and if I do not get justice today, justice cannot be denied for all time. It is bound, to come and it shall oome. It may not be today. Tomorrow we have hopes that justice will triumph. Mu. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): Resolution moved:— “ This Council recommends to the Governor General in Conndl that the share of Muslims in central service* be increased to 30 per cent, of the total, direct recruitment and promo­ tions being combined." Question put: the Council divided: —

AYES^-4. . Atanllah Khan Trar, Hon. ChandhrL Menon, Hon. Sir Ramnnni. Hossain Imam, Hon. Mr. . Padshah SaKb Bahadnr, Hon SaWed Mohammad. [ 6 t h A p r il 1944 8 84 COUNCIL OF STATE NOES-22. Ayyangar, Hon. Sir N. Gopalaswami. Lai, Hon. Mr. Shavax A. Lall, Hon. Mr. Samaldliari. Banerjee, Hon. Mr. R. N. Mahomed Usman, Hon. Sir. Buta Singh, Hon. Sir. Charon jit Singh, Hon. Raja. Parker, Hon. Mr. R. H. Ram Saran Das, Hon. Rai Bahadur Lala. Conran-Smith, Hon, Mr. E. Ray Chaudhury, Hon. Mr. Kumarsankar. Das, Hon. Mr. M. L. Das, Hon. Rai Bahadur Satyendra Kumar. Roy, Hon. Sir Satyendra Nath. Rov Chowdhury, Hon. Mr. Susil Kumar. Qboaal, Hon. Sir Joana. Kalikar, Hon. Mr. V. V. Sapru, Hon. Mr. P. N. Khurahid Ali Khan, Hon. Nawabzada. Sen, Hon. Mr. B. R. Kunzru, Hon. Pandit Hirday Nath. Sukhtankar, Hon. Mr. Y. N. Th

DELHI MUSLIM WAKFS (AMENDMENT) BILL. T h k Honourable Nawabzada KHUR8UID ALI KHAN (Nominated Non­ Official): Sir, I move:— , , _ . , .. "That the Bill to amend the Delhi Muslim Walrfs Act, 1943, as passed by the Legislative Assembly, be taken into consideration.” . w Sir, I think it is unnecessary for me to make any remark^ on this M»otion, because the amendments proposed in the Bill are very minor and the reasons for those amendments are given in the Statement of Objects and Reasons. Sir, I move. The Motion was adopted. # Clause 2 wa6 added to the Bill. Clause 1 was added to the Bill. The Title and Preamble were added to the Bill. T h e Hohpurablb Nawabzada KHURSHID ALI KHAN: Sir, I move: — “ That the Bill as passed by the Legislative Assembly be paased.” The Motion was adopted.

PROTECTIVE DUTIES CONTINUATION ,BILL. Thk Honourable Mr. Y. N. SUKTHANKAR (Nominated Official): Sir, I move .—- . "That the Bill to extend the date up to which certain duties characterised as protective in the First Schedule to the Indian Tariff Act, 1943, shall have effect, as passed by ihe Legislative Assembly., be taken into consideration." v Sir. this is a simple Bill, over the consideration of which the House need not occupy itself too long. The protective duties on wheat, wheat flour, sugar, wood i-ulp, paper, cotton and silk manufactures, gold and silver thread and iron and steel manufactures, which were extended for a period of two years with effect from ihe 1st April, 1942, by the Protective Duties Continuation Act, 1942, expired on the 81st March, 1944, but the conditions under which they were extended still hold good. I therefore commend to the House that they should be continued for another period of two years. With your permission, Sir, I ehall go very briefly into the conditions apply­ ing to each of these articles: — Wheat and wheat flour. The House fully knows the conditions under which these duties were extended last time and again were taken off by executive order* In order to facilitate the imports. Sugar. The conditions under which the duties were- extended in 1942 on the advice of the Central Sugar Advisory Committee still hold good and it is therefore advisable to continue them for a further period of two years. Wood pulp. Exactly the same remarks apply and sarroe is the case with cotton and silk manufactures. Gold and stiver thread. Its imports came in the pre-war years from Prance and Oprmany and they have been cut out completely. Iron and sleel manufactures. The conditions similar to those under, which duties were extended previously are still operating. AU the relevant factors have been taken into consideration by the Depait* tnents concerned, even when imports have been out down the duties musi be pr o tective duties continuation bill 0 8 5 continued having due regard to Revenue consideration. In any case Govern­ ment is not prepared to make any alteration without consulting the Industries concerned in holding a careful enquiry for which the present is not an oppor- ' tune time. I would, therefore, commend the Bill for acceptance by th0 House. * The Motion was adopted. Cause 2 was added to the Bill. Clause 8 was added to the Bill. Clause 1 was added to the Bill. * The Title and Preamble were added to the Bill. TnE H onourable Mr. Y. N. BUKTHANKAR: Sir, I move: — “ That the Bill as pawed by the Legislative Assembly be passed." Thu Motion was adopted.

FACTORIES* (AMENDMENT) BILL * •Tut H onourable M**- S. LALL (Nominated Official): Sir, I rise to move : — t . “That the Bill further to amend the Factories Act, 1934, as passed by the Legislative Assembly, be taken into consideration. ” This is a very short Bill, Sir, to amend the Factories Act in certain respects. No important questions of principle are involved. The amendments are minor amendments dictated by administrative necessity. There are certain powers which it Is desirable that Provincial Governments and Factory Inspectors should exercise, but whioh they cannot exercise under the existing Act. The object is to amend the Act so as to provide for the exercise of these powers. The last clause deals with a purely war-time amendment. I need not enter into any of the details; they are all given in the Statement of*Objects and Reasons. 1 would commend this Bill to the consideration of House. ♦The Honourable Mr. P. N. SAPRU. (United Provinces Southern: Non- Muhammadan) : I have no desire, Sir, to inflict a long speech on this Bill but what I wanted to say in regard to it was this. The Bill only makes some minor changes but at the present moment I think that there is a Labour Investigation Committee functioning. Now, I should like the Honourable Mr. Lall to tell us by what time he expects this Committee to finish its worl. I would al&o like him to tell us what exactly is the scope and object of this Committee and whether it is a mere fact-finding Committee or whether it hos power to make recommendations in regard to the future also. I should like him to throw some light as to the nature, scope and objective of this Com­ mittee which is functioning at the present moment. Sir, so far as this Bill itself is concerned, clause 5 has been necessitated by the new time, which some of us do not like—I certainly do not like the new time—and therefore I sympathise with clause 5. 'I think it is quite reasonable, that the hour in the evening limits should be extended, and I support the Bill. The Honourable Mr.# S. LALL: Sir, I understand that the Rege Com­ mittee was appointed to help Government to frame- its conclusions in regard to tie problems of social security. It is a fact-finding Committee, but I cannot give further particulars because I have not yet established contact with the Committee. We are meeting the Committee *on Sunday* and after I have hfnl a discussion with the Chairman and members I shall be in a better position to answer all the questions that have been put by my Honourable friend. Mr. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): Motion made: “ That the Bill further to amend the Factories Act, 1934, as pasBed by the Legislative Assembly, be taken into consideration.’* Question put and Motion adopted. Clause 2 was added to the Bill. Clauses 8, 4 and 5 were added to the Bill. 4 Clause 1 was added to the Bill. ~ The Title and Preamble were added to the Bill. %

#Not corrected by the Honourable Member.

' c 2 VW 8 ^ COUNCIL OK* STATK [OXH X p SUL 1044 The H onourable Mr. S. LALL: Sir, 1 move: — “ That the Bill, a» pawed by the Legislative Assembly, be pawed.” The Motion was adopted.

DEFENCE CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE. Mb. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir Duvid Devadoss): With reference to the announcement made regarding election to the Defence Consultative Com­ mittee I have to announce that the Honourable Colonel Sir Hissamuddin and the Honourable Mr. M. N. Dalai have since withdrawn their candidature from that Committee. There now remain four candidates for'four seats and I dec­ lare the following Honourable ^embers duly elected to that Committee: 1. The Honourable Sir Buta Singh. * 2. Ihe Honourable Sir A. P, Patro. 3. The Honourable Mr. V.. V. Kalikar. 4. The Honourable Pandit Hirday N$th#Kunzru. STANDING COMMITTEE FOR THE FOOD DEPARTMENT. Mk. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): With reference to the announcement made regarding election to the Standing Committee for tho Food Department I have to announce that the Honourable Mr. V, V. Kalikar has since withdrawn his candidature from that Committee. There now remain five candidates for five1 Beats and I declare the following* Honourable Members duly elected to that Committee: — 1. The Honourable Mr. Susil Kumar Roy Chowdhury. ^ 2. The Honourable Saiyed Mohamed Padshah Sahib Bahadur. 3. The Honourably Mr. M. N. Dalai. 4. The Honourable Mr. Khurshid Ali Khan. 5. The Honourable Mr. N. K. Das. -

MOTION RE UNITED NATIONS RELIEF AND REHABILITATION ADMINISTRATION AGREEMENT—nccwtd. M k. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): We will now proceed with the Motion for the approval of the UNRRA Agreement. *Thk H onourable Mr* P* N. SAPRU (United Provinces Southern: Non- Mu harnmadan): Mr. Chairman, the question before us is whether India should ratify the agreement which was signed" on her behalf by her representatives at thr UNRRA conference which was held in New Jersey. Mr. Chairman, India has never concealed her sympathy with the cause for which the United Nations are fighting. War is a terrible thing. It ha3 devastated many count­ ries, it has destroyed the normal trade channels. We find that both in- Europ-: and Asia big and small countries are lying prostrate today. In Europe, t o a have what was once a very big power, and what I hope will be a very big power again, Fran<#, lying, at* the moment, absolutely prostrate. You have Poland, Czecho Slovakia Yugoslavia—all these countries lying prostrate under the occupation of the Nazis. Asia too has suffered very much. Naturally, as Asia­ tics we feel very sincerely for the Asiatic countries—countries like China, Malaya, Java and Burma. In Malaya and Bunna we had large Indian populations; those populations too, as a restilt of this war, have gone through terrible suffering. I came across a man who was jn Malaya, who \ised to enjoy a big practice. He was a professional man. I think he is known to the Honourable Member. ,He enjoyed a big practice. I Vas told by our late Agent, Mi*. Venkatachala, that he used to enjoy his hospitality. He had a magnificent house, and be used to iive very comfortably and had a biggish position in Malaya. Now, when that man came over to this country, he told me he had only Bs. £000 or Rs. 6,000 left with him. A man who was worth about Rs. 8 or Rs. 10 lakhB had been reduced to what1 would be more or less object poverty in his case. This is only just one incident which comes to my mind.

•Not corrected by the Honourable .Member. . UKRRAA 087 T he Honourable M r. KUMARSANKAR R£Y CHAUDHURY (East Bengal: Non-Muhammadan): On a point of information, Sir: I wamt to know \jhat # is going to be the attitude of the Government in this House with regard to the amendment which has been accepted in the other House as regards this Resolu­ tion. The Honourable Sir AZIZ-IJL-HUQUE: There is no amendment tabled here. The House knows that I did not accept the amendment in the other House, but left it. to the free vote of the House as to whether the amendment should be carried or not; and the amendment was carried.

The Honourable Mu. P. N. SAPRU: I was referring to what had happened to our countrymen in some parts of the world which have been conquered, at the moment by Japan. Therefore, in joining this organisation we bhall be helping, incidentally, out own countrymen also. There is everything to be said for co-operating with international efforts for the rehabilitation of the life of the devastated countries. It is humanitarian work of the highest character. If you find a friend in poor circumstances, or in bad circumstances, or in adverse circumstances, your natural instinct is to help that friend. And as wew profess to be friends of the United Nations, it would be wrong on our part to say that we are not prepared to join the organisation which was set up in New Jersey. The complaint, however, which I have to make is of a different character. Our (government is notoriously unimaginative. Even though we have an expand­ ed Executive Council in which the Indian members are in a majority, it did not occur to our Government to consult us before our representatives were sent to the conference at New Jersey. My point is that we should have been consulted in regard to the question of our participation in the work of the conference at New Jersey at an earlier stage. I know that now we are asked to ratify this agreement. I am not suggesting that v/e should not ratify this agreement. But the position with which we are faced is this, thart we were not consulted formally at an earlier stage. We should have been -consulted at an earlier stage. That is the complaint which I have got to make against this unimaginative Govem- ment. If we had been approached in the fight spirit at an earjy stage, we should not have said “ No*’ : what we should have said is thart we would like representa­ tives in whom we have confidence to be sent to this conference. The second point that I would stress is that India should be represented By Representatives of it* own choice in the Council and the Fund Administration. It should be represented by her own chosen representatives in the Coimcil which is to bfe created for the Pacific area and it shQuld have a representative of its own choosing in the Council of Supply. Let me just explain what I mean by this phrase “ representative of her own choosing” . We have no responsive Gov­ ernment in this country. Therefore, any one who is appointed by the present Government of India cannot be called a representative of the Indian people. The Government of India has no distinct personality of its own. It is, as I often say in this House, merely a subordinate branch of His Majesty's Govern­ ment. Therefore, the representative of Tndia selected by the Government of India will, having regard to the character of the constitution that we have at the Centre, be only a nominee of His Majesty's Government. His Majesty's Government hars ruled out responsible Government at the centra during war-time • at all events. But why should it not be possible for it to say that for the purpose of representation at the Council of Supplies, at the Council of the organisation and at the Council for the Pacific, India shall have representatives selected by the Legislature? I should like to have ar definite assurance from the Honourable the Commerce Member on this point. I should like him to tell us in unequivocal language that the men chosen by the Government of India will be men who are acceptable to the Legislature. We do not want our country to be represented abroad by men who have not had much of a public standing in this country, who become only farmous when they visit the United States or England or some other part of the world. I do not wish to refer to these great gentlemen by name but I am quite -sure that if these gentlemen stood for election in this country, $88 c o u n c il o f s t a t e [ 6 t h A f r il 1944 [Mr. P. N. Sapru.] * theff would perhaps even forfeit their security. Such is the respect, such is the esteem in which they are held by their countrymen. It is not. right tnat « our country should be represented at international gatherings or intern atibnal organisations by men who can claim no representative character. Therefore I think we are justified in stressing that there should* be a clear declaration that- in selecting India’s representatives for the various organisations and Councils con­ nected with this Administration and for the Administration itself the voice of the Legislature shall be allowed to prevail. I wanted to say one or two words about the contribution^that we are to thjike to this Administration. The figure accepted by the Conference is 1 per cent, of the national income. The Honourable Sir Aziz-ul-Huque, who has written am excellent book on the Man behind the plough in Bengal knows what the condi­ tion of the ryot in this country is. He knows what poverty in this country means. He has been in touch with the peasant and the worker and he knows that the vast majority of our people on the margin of subsistence. In fact, 2 there is one thing which was brought home to us by the Bengal famine, it was the Reality of poverty in this country. You find under-nourished people, badly housed people, famished people, in large parts of this country. I. should have liked India to make a contribution worthy of the part thart she wishes to play in the future organisation of the world. But I know that our capacity is of a limited character and what the United Nations should look to is the spirit which animates us. I agree that as a gestoire of goodwill towards them we should contribute only to the limit of our capacity. I do not think, Sir, we can afford to contribute to the extent of 1 per cent, of our national income. I think that 1 per cent, of ojir national income would be about Rs. 12 crore6. The Honourable Sir AZIZ-UL-HUQUE: No. Rs. 85 crores. The Honourable Mr. P. N. SAPRU: That is a sum which is not within our capacity to contribute to this Fund. We have the utmost goodwill towards the Fund. We think it deserves our co-operation and support. But that is something which we cannot contribute. I think that if a man who is poor gives you Rs. 5, he realty makes a heavier sacrifice than the man who has got millions of rupees and gives Rs. 1,000. That is the position in which we find ourselves. Therefore, Sir, in deciding what our contribution should be, *1 hope that the Gov­ ernment of In

• " •‘Not corrected by the Honourable Member. 690 Co u n c il or s t a t e [ 6 t h A p r il 1944 [Mr. Hossain Imaiu.J upon, no assurance that imperialism will not continue to exploit the peoples oi the East Asia as they huve been doing in the past. Sir, I do not wish at nearly ten .minutes to tive to prolong the debate. Tbe Honourable the Commerce Member has to reply to it and I shall therefore be as brief as I can. I should like to emphasise, Sir, that India is not in a position to pay She contribution which has been demanded from other countries due to our poverty and also €ue to the fact that the representation given m the name of India will in reality be a representation to H s Majesty's Government. Both on account of our poverty as well as our constitutional disability' we should have been freed from contribution but if that is not possible the utmost that we should pay would be 1 per cent of the income of the Central Government. That would be tbe limit to which the Government of India should go. ~ , I was also reminded, Sir, of the fact that according to the new amendment which wais made in the Congress of the U.S.A., India may qualify for a relief under tbi6 measure, but I base the claim of India on stronger grounds. The whole of the trouble of southern and eastern Bengal was caused by the Denial policy and Denial policy was undertaken in pursuance of the war. It w^as as a precaution. I do not blame the Government for having taken that precaution but that precaution and that loss having been caused owing to the war, the Bengal Government, .Sir, is eligible to all reliefs and especially for relief of public ut’lities which tigure especially in the Resolutions of the Committee. The Honourable Mr. P. N. SAPRU: I hope you will remember medical help. The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Medical help is a most essential thing, Sir, because the health has deteriorated immensely. Thb Honourable Sir AZIZ-UL-HUQUE: Y o u do not look like it! The Honourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Parts of Assam, should also come under the unfortunate eligibility for relief under this administration. I there­ fore, Sir, aBk the Government that while they may be party to thipf^greenrent they should not forget that India cannot make a contribution equa*' to that of the European Powers; and, secondly, that India should have a share in other Committees which are as essential and with which we are more cor cerned than Greece or Mexico could be. Even on the basis of the contribution I think we will not fall far short of Mexico. I therefore, Sir, give my lukewarm support to the measure. The Honourable Sir AZIZ-UL-HUQUE (Commerce Member): Within the short span of time which I haye got I wish to reply to some of the points which have been raised in the debate yesterday and today. Let me at the very outset clear'a misunderstanding as to the scope of the work of this United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration. Sir, th?s organization is not for tho purpose of succouring distress or bringing relief to areas affected by war condi­ tions. If that were so, India would have been one of the first countr es which deserves support from that Fund. If my friend would have kindly read the terms under which this agreement was signed, the very foreword says:— “ Being determined that immediately upon the liberation of any area bv the armed force* of the United Nations or as a consequence of retreat of the enemy the population thereof shall receive aid and relief from their sufferings, food, clothing and shelter, aid in the prevention of pestilence and in the recovery of the health of the people, and that preparation and arrangements shall be made for the return of prisoners and exiles to their homes and for assistance in the resumption of urgently needed agricultural and industrial production and the restoration of essential services". The wliole objective of this relief is for the purpose of giving relief to those areas which will be liberated by the Allied Forces either by conquest or by the retreat of the enemy. We cannot say that India is a country which trill be liberated as a result of the war. Now, my friend Mr. Sapru is a lawyer and he waa raising certain legalistic or juristic points. May I ask him as Io whether be can really tell me if in terms of this Preamble Jk\ean go t-o tiie body'and say, “ Look here, India is a country which must get relief •under the terms oi this Agree­ ment” ? 1 yield to none iu my anxious desire that everything possible should be done to restore the normal economic conditions of the people and as my friend has so kindly pointed to me I am aware of the most serious condition which has been affecting my Province, but still I am for the time being fixed in my scope by the terms of reference.

The H onourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Those wen* taken into considera­ tion when the amendment was made in the Congress. ' * The H onourable Sir AZIZ-UL-HUQUE: I am coming to that. Sir, I am aware of the amendment but my friend should remember that even the United States Congress and the House of Representatives have got no power of changing the constitution of the UNRRA. . The procedure will be that the Resolution of the Congress and the House of Representatives will go before the UNRRA and if the UNRRA feels that its terms of reference should be changed, and if they are changed, then only it will come in. This is the position.

T he H onourable Mr. P. N. SAPRU: The United States will carry a very great deal of voice and if we support the United States then'we may be able to widen this. The Honourable Sir AZIZ-UL-HUQUE: I am oomimg to that but the whole conception of this United Nations Scheme, may I say, is a new experiment in democracy, and that experiment in democracy is that the United States paying Rs. 450 crores will have one vote as against Iceland probably giving a few hundred thousand of rupees. That is the very constitution under which this has been framed. Questions will be decided by a simple majority P’M* vote, so that, from among the 44 nations, other nations than the United Nations will rule. .What their influence will be, I cannot say; I have not been there, and I do n6t know American conditions. But, as I said, the whole conception is what I have indicated, and my Honourable friend can take it from me.that if the UNRRA changes its constitution, we will certainly phce the case of jjidia in terms of the Resolution. Yfct, in some shape Jndia &>es come in. We have got within India at least 500,000 refugees from Burma, Malaya and Singapore. The repatriation of those refugees is witfcin the scope of the UNRRA’s activities. Not only that. In the areas under enemy occupa* tion—Malaya, Singapore and Burma—that are at least 15 lakhs of Indians still under enemy control. They will be entitled to relief in every respect. Sir, nothing pained me more than the Honourable Mr. Hossain Imam’s state­ ment that there had been a distinction between the brown and the white/ I am qu’te prepared to accept the statement where there is a distinction, but may I assure him that I have gone very carefully through all tba details of the pro­ ceedings, through this rehabilitation programme, through the proceedings and discussions in the United States and in England, and ther? has n^ver been an attempt to bring about any distinction. My Honourable friends should have known the amount of relief which has come from the West to the East—not only to India, but to China and other places. Sir, we have at least to acknow­ ledge generosity where acknowledgment is due.

The H onourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Has that relief come under this.' scheme? Tjie Honourable Sir AZIZ-UL-HUQUE: No. But even under the scheme, 450 crores will be contributed by America—which is nearly two-thirds of the sum—nnd.this relief will not be within America, but China, with its v:.st millions', will be one of the biggest bfeneficiaries under the scheme. Of couv> e, they are* neither brown nor white; they are yellow: probably that is why my Honourable friend excluded them from his speech. Titk H onourable Mr. HOSSAIN IMAM: Neither Europeans. 6 9 2 COUNCIL OF STATE [th U A p b il 1944 Tub Ho.voubabus Sib AZlZ-UL-^HUQUE: As 1 have explaned, ihe new amendment does not give us afiy authoiity at this stage to place tli^ special ca*e ol Indian conditions. , Then, Sir, there has been a misconception about the amount which is to be contributed, i f my Honourable irieud had oared to rea l the Resolution—and 1 may say that in the drafting oi* that Resolution India iiad to play a very large part—he would have found that national income is not always the standard by which country may be expected to pay. If you refer to page 13 of the Resolutions on Policy, you will see that the member Governments will pay approximately one per cent, of the national income, but ----- x "The Council recognises that there are cases in which the recommendation above may conflict with particular demands arising from the continuance of the war or may be exces­ sively burdensome because of peculiar situations...... ” - At this stage, Sir, may I give a little history, because my Honourable friend has charged us witli the fact that we did not want to consult the House at an eariier stage, l^irst of all, may 1 say that, being one who knows the value of parliamentary institutions, I would be the last person to take away the power which parliamentary institutions possess in every country; and even in the form in which we have got it in this country today, I would never think of doing it. We first got notioe of the terms of the agreement some time in June last year, and immediately, in the July session, we tabled a Motion both in ths House and. in the other House,^with a view to getting the approval of the two Houses to our participation. What happened is this. After we had tabled that Motion, we were informed that as a result of the circulation of the draft agreement among "the signatory nations, various suggestions had been uiade to the United States and the whole of the draft agreement was being reconsidered. In view of this, aad not knowing at that stage what the reconsideration would mean, and having information that the signatories’ conference would be held at a later stage, we did not pursue the matter further. But we took special care to emphasise from the very beginning that, so far as the financial contribution of India was con­ cerned, we could not be bound to a simple formula, but that we would pay what we could according to our condition. We are quite prepared to do that. It is in the tradition not only of India but of the whole of the East to be as generous as we can wherever possible. That is the tradition in which we are born and brought up, ^nd it would be inconsistent with the entire tradition and the history of the Asiatic countries for them to stand out of any international relief organisation. We therefore agreed to participate, subject to acceptance by the Legislature. We made it quite clear that it must be subject to the approval of the House. What we should pay must be according to our conditions and having regard to our economic difficulties, and having regard to the fact that we are passing through an economic crisis. To this we specially drew attent on. Thereafter discussion continued, and wfe gave full instructions to our representa­ tive in Washington. And may I here acknowledge the fact that he did his task Extremely well in bringing to the notice of all the delegates and representatives of the different Governments the point of view of In d ia in view of her special economic difficulties. After that, towards the end of October, or about the 15th or 20th, we came to know that the final draft was ready, and that the point of view which we had put forward had been accepted, including some of the points raised by some of the other countries. We found that w*e had been met on the point as to what our contribution should be; we had been met on the point as to what our supply should be. That being so, we agreed. "We were told that the conference, of the signatories would be held at Washington on tYte 9th of November. Th House will remember that the Council met about the 8th or 9th, and the Assembly also met on the ‘8th or 9th. There was thus no time for us t> lake the approval of the House. So we s'gned it subject to ratification by the Legis lature. And we were not the only country; 14 other countries had to sign it. because there also the notice was short and there was no time to get the approval UNKE4A 69 3 ui the Legislatures. Tliea, Sir, we got all the papers, and the House will re­ member that i took the earliest opportunity t<3 table a Motion. Tiiereaiter we waited, because every day the question was being discutssed in diiierent circles, li, ior instance, i had tabled a Motion in the November session and got it "approved, the question as to what was the attitude of the American Congress would not have been before us. Therefore 1 brought it up towards tne last' stage. Our attitude has been that a matter like this is not a political matter; it is not a matter of high diplomacy; it is not a matter of evjn party j)oliticfl; it is not a matter in which the Congress and the League are divided; it is not a matter in which we can find any reason why we should keep it out of the Legislature. Sir, as 1 said, 1 have all along held the view that if there is a Legislature we must give full power to it within the constitution. With a view, to consulting the House, we tabled a Motion, and I have come here to explain the point of view from which I look upon the whole question. There­ fore, I hope that my Honourable friend will realise that it was not want of imagination of the expanded Executive Council. It was due to circumstances beyond our control that we had to bring this Motion at this late stage. Now, Sir, as regards the question what should be the amount of contribu­ tion, as I said yesterday, that is a question on which we have not come to any definite conclusion. But 1 again say, as I said in the other House, that what­ ever may be the amount, it will be subject to the vote of the Legislature. It is not that I want to pay an amount of money from the Indian treasury after taking a general power of attorney and spending as much as I like; it is not that. 1 have made the position quite clear and if in spite of that my Honourable friend says that we have not been giving the Legislature the power which belongs to it, I am very sorry I have got no other reply to give. Some friends have asked me as to what is our estimate of the matter. As I said, this question will only arise at a little later stage, when the amount,of liability, having regard to the present economic condition of the Indian revenue ' position can be determined with a little more definiteness and when the UNIiliA organisation also will have a little more detailed plan as to its scope and to what extent it can supply. But I again say that this UNKRA* organisation has nothing to do with any Government. In fact, it is just like any other relief society we have got in India which deals with problems of humanitarian relief except that it has been organised under, international auspices and 44 countries are participating in it by sending their reyesentatives. The House will remem­ ber that we are working under the present constitution. I am afraid it is not within my power at least to change the constitution unless my friends on the other side agree together and drive me out of my office, which I will be very glad to quit. Till then I have to work under the present constitution Under the present constitution or even under the constitution under which my friends will function at7 a later date it is not possible for representatives of a country to an international body like this to be subjection to the vote of the Legislature. It is no use hoodwinking ourselves. If it was possible for m*\ I would gladly do it even ioday. But whether it is the present constitution or any future democratic constitution, you cannot possibly select your international representatives by a ~ legislative discussion. There are several reasons. My Honourable friend raised the question of the membership of the Comnrttee of Supplies, membership of the Committee of Technical Services, membership of the Committee of Far Eastern relief. May I say that it is not politicians like me who are wanted there. Thev want technical men who know the subject, they want men who are experts "in nutrition, they want men who know the business methods and know how to purchase. T am perfectly certain that my friends wil! agree with me that no Parliament in-tlie world, evert the most democratic Parliament-, has ever considered that this is a matter which ought to be subject to the vote of the Legislature. After all, these delegates have to act under the instructions of the Government. For example, for the last e;ght months, the instruction; which we have sent to America have been voluminous. How can we expect that one 694 c o u n c il o f s t a t e [ 6 t u A p r il 1944 [Sir Aziz-ul-Huque] body will elect the person and another body will see that the delegate functions properly. 1 hope the House will understand that it is not because we do not want to be fully responsive to the popular wishes of the Legislature, but it is due to the impracticability of the thing that we are not able to accept the suggestion that the representative should be an elected member. But 1 can assure my Honourable friend that in so far as our instructions go,11 am satisfied personally that on every point our representative Sir Girja Shankar Bajpai has very firmly and effectively brought the ease of India to the notice of all the delegates, as you can see from the terms of the various Resolutions which have been passed. As regards the amount, as 1 say, we have not settled it. It will depend on varying factors. But personally I was asked in another place as to what I would consider the contribution of India should be, having regard to the economic conditions that are existing today ant know. As I said, the countries which will be supplying will be Australia, which has a wheat pool, Belgian Congo, Canada which has got a wheat pool, New Zealand which has also wheat, Soviet Bussia, the United Kingdom and the iTnited States. Probably the reason why China has been taken is because China will be the biggest participant in relief supplies. Now, the Committee of Supplies will undertake not merely procurement but also distribution. Probably it is for that reason. I do not know. But we have not closed that question altogether. We have been pressing the question. It is •only after this House accepts this Resolution that I will be able to instruct our representatives to press the case of India being on the Committee of Supplies. That question will be taken up and if any country desires representation, the matter will be considered. May I only say this. Before the Central Committee any country which feels that it is interested will have the right to be represented. So, I am taking up that question. As regards the question of appointment of Indians, we have already taken up the matter and may I inform the House that I have already sent up the names of about eight or ten Indians who have been connected with Burma and Malaya and Singapore, who are refugees in that country, men of the type which my Honourable friend Mr. Sapru referred to, for being appointed on the staff of the Administration for the purpose' of ~3i6tri- buting relief to those areas and that if other suitable names are forthcoming, 1 shall be prepared to send them to the Administration for appointment? But the difficulty will be whether some persons whom we want to send from India will be able to live in Washington on the salary which is being paid there. There is inflation in this country but the high prices prevailing in Washington sre such that I at least will not be prepared to go there even on the highest salary which is sometimes proposed. - Sir, T think I have answered all the points which I could to the best of my ability. I can assure the House that I propose very oarefully fo go through the speeches of Honourable Members of this House; and on the point as to file representation of India in the Committee of Supplies and other Committees, after considering and discussing with one or two members of this House privately I hope to come fo some conclusion by which we can bring this point of view to ihe notice of our Representative there. ^ With these words I hope the House would carry the Motion. 3 M r . CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David DevaHossV The Motion is:— "That thif Council approve* the ^United Nation* Relief and Rehabilitation Administra­ tion Agreement signed at Washington on the 9th November, 1943 ^ Question put and Motion adopted. Mr. CHAIRMAN (The Honourable Sir David Devadoss): This concludes th# business of the session. The Council will now adjourn sin* die. The Council then .adjourned sine die. « COBBIGENDA.

under D»ra.h bTlor the word “approximate” read “approprj^t INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES VOL. I, 1944 *

A AOE-LiyilV— . Question re ------for recruitment in the sub­ A bdool S uttar, H on. M e . A bdool H ajee— ordinate ranks of Posts and Telegraph* Election of the ——■ to the Central Advisory Council for Railwayb. 667. « offices. 449. Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Agent— mittee for the Department of Commerce. See “I ndian ------639. A gricultural Situation— Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Question re ------. 615-18. mittee on Pilgrimage to the llejaz. 219. A griculturists— General discussion of the Hailway Budget. Resolution re pfice control and requirement* 131-36. ‘ of ------. 97, 170-84. Question rc— A ircraft (A mendment) Bill— ,• Appointment, of a European firm al agents See “ Indian ------” under “Bill”. f of "the purchase of gunny and saltpetre A ir F orce— . -for Mauritius. 205 06. See “I n d ia n ------Arrangement for scholars to study histori­ A ir Lines— , cal records and antiquities at the Im ­ Question rc operation of ------by railways. perial Record Department and the Cen­ 52-53. . tral Museum, Now Delhi. 653. A m R oute— Clerical posts reserved for postmen, etc. Question re —— from the U.S.A. to India. 108 09. • 11. Dale oj; Government orders relating to 'ip- A jmer-Merwara M otor V ehicles R ules. pointment of Muslims. 49. 1940— ■ Number of Inspectors of Post Offices -and Statement (laid on the table) re amendment li.M .S. and Head Clerks of the Offices to the ----- 110-13. of Superintendents of' Post Offices and A li A sgar K han, H on. M aulvi— . number of posts -held by Muslims, etc Election of the ------to the Standing Cora-' 108, mittee for the Labour Department. 371. Number of Muslims, etc., appointed on A llow ance(s)— State Railways. 169. - Question re— Number of Muslims on the Dinapore Can ------drawn by inferior servants when on tonment Executive Board. 169. tour. 363-64. Number of officers employed in the Supply ------drawn by the ministerial staff whe;< Department in Delhi area, etc., and num on tour. 363. - ber of Muslim officers therein. 169. See “.Compensatory ------Number of Superintendents in the Office of See “P ay and ------”. tho Director General, Posts and Tele . Ambulance U nii'— graphs. 303. - See “ Friends ------Occupation of the Imperial Record De A MIC it ic a— ' m partment building by the military. 653, tire “Dollar Countries’*.. 653-54. Americans— Posts fil’ied in the Department of A d u ti- Question re control and direction by ------ol tries and Civil Supplies fm d numoer of traffic operations on certain sections of the Muslims appointed therein. 168. B. & A. R. 316. Reservation of Posts of Superintendents of A merican U niversities— Post Offices and R .M .S.«for Inspectors of Question re degrees and diplomas issued by Post Offices and R.M .S. 108. ------in Jndia. 45-46. A.MUITSAR— A ccommodaA n— See “Lathi Charge”. Question re a^nount spent in building ------A ntiquities— for armed forces. 448-49. Question re arrangements for scholars to Act— study historical records and ------at the Registration of Foreigners ------, 1939— Imperial Record Department and the Cen­ Statement (laid on the tahle) re Declara­ tral Museum, New Delhi. 653. tions of Exemption under section 6 of A nti-submarine School— the ------.. 26-27, 626-27. * Question re ------. 318. * , A ddress— A ppleton, Colonel J. A.— — by His Excellency the Viceroy to the Question re salary and allowance of ____ members of the Central Legislature. 33­ Advisor to the Railway Board. 8-9 39. A ppointment— ' A dvertisements— Question re ------of Mr. K. F. Sobhan, u Question re amount of money spent in ------BengiJ H i e Qcners1’ Civil Snppliei, by .the Department of Information and A rchaeology-— Broadcasting and by other Departments. . 210. - S ee “Director General op ____ M Armed F orces— ‘ A dvisory' Committees— See “P rovincial ------w “ to« In dex to thb council of state debates ______: ____ •______>.L___u____- Abut— . Permaneni exchange value of the rupee. £ee “British — 467. Price control and requirement* of agricuU See “I ndian — —” . turitfts. 174. A skuilan, H on. Sin Shantidas— Aziz-ul-Huque, Hon. Sir Muhammai>— Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Motion re United^ Nations Relief and Re­ mittee for the Department of Commerce. habilitation Administration Agreement. 639. - . 687, 688, 690-95. General discussion of the General Budget. 246-49, 2a2, 276. B 1 General discussion of the Railway $udget. Banerjee, H on. Mr. R. N .— 127-29. Indian Merchant Shipping (Amendment) Indian Finance Bill— Bih— Motion to consider. 542, 545, 547-51. Motion to consider. 451. Question re operation of air lines by rail- Motion for election of four members to the _ wayo. 52-53. , Standing Committee on Emigration. 124. Motion for election of two Muslim 'member* Question {supplementary) re— for the Standing Committee on Pilgrimage Appointment of Mr. Young as Coal-Cora - to the HejaK. 124. missions. 511-12. Oath of Office. 99. Expenditure incurred on Defence and . Resolution re withdrawal of Regulations res­ Supply Services. 1C1 02. tricting entry of Indian immigraifU into Resolution 7*-1' Kenya. 658-61, 663, 664 , 666 67. Employment of women in coal mines. 404, 43o/ . Barley— ‘ Pcrmuh?nt exchange value of tiie rupee. t Question re— 464, 468. . imports o f ------from Iraq. 210-11. Prirc control and requirements of agricul­ Rationing o f ------in Bombay. 211, 211-12. turist?. 176, 179, 330, 181. B1TT1RM8— ' A ssam— Question re dutteulty in obtaining motor tyre? See “L aKd ” . ' and ----- 619 20. ^ Atlantic Charter— Bean , Mr. B. C. L.— Question re application of the ------to India. Qoestion re ------. 9. 11. ' Bengal— * ' A ugust R esolution— See “Cattle”. Question re authority of Report published in See “Coalfields”. Ptomhay Chronicle regarding .terms on See “D estitutes”. # which Mr. Gandhi was prepared to recom­ Sec “ Famine Areas*’. mend withdrawal of the ------. 159. See “F oodgrains”. Aviatton — . See “Salt”. Sec / ‘Traders”. See “Ci v i l ------”. £Vc “W heat P roducts”. A yers, Hon. M r . C. W .— Oath of 0*3iccf. 511. Bengal and A ssam R ailway— Sec “------” under “ Railway(s) ’. A yyangar, H on. Sir Gopalaswami— B engal and N orth W estern R ailway-— Cdntonmcm, (Amendment) Bill— . See “ — —■’‘ under “Railway(s)” . • Motion to consider. 307-08. , Benthall, Hon. Sir Edward-— >* Ele* tion df th e------to the Governing Body General discussion of the Railway Budget. of the Indian Research Fund Association. 126, 129, 132, 133, 136, 130, l4l, 143, 144, 636. f 145, 146-53. General discussion of tho General Budget. Resolution re manufacture of broad gauge 269-72, "293, 294. * ^ locomotives. a27, 330-31 Indian Finance Bill— * Berhampur Jap,— ^ ' Motion to (jonsider. 575-83, 599, 604 05. Question re lathi charge on Secumy prisoners Motion re— in -----299. ' Food situation. 376, 433-38. Bicycles— Ignited Natiems Relief and Rehabilitation Question re imports of ------and other con Administration Agreement. 648-50. sumer goods. 46-47. Question (supplementary) re— Bihar— f igures of mortality due to. starvation an ] See “Coalfields”. associated diseases. 106-07. Bili^~ Import of fertilising plant. 156-57. Cantonments (Amendment) ------Number of , deaths in Calcutta due to Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 170. famine. 159-60. Considered and passed. 304-10. Resolution re— -Central Excises arid Salt ------Am?ndment of the Defence of India Rules. Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 53. 76 82, 86. Considered and passed. 113-21. Appointment of an Indian as Director Gen­ Coal Mines Safety (Stowing) Amendment-----1 eral of Archaeology. 353, 3§4,’ 358. Passed by the LegislativeAssembly. 169. Increase of Muslims in the Central Ser­ • Considered and passed. 220. vices. 668. Code of Criminal Procedure (Second Amend­ Industrial Commission to revise existing ment) ■----- industrial situation, etc. 340. Assent of the Governor General. 4.

\ Bji* INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES 3 ____ - ■ ______' —- Coffee Market Expansion (Amendment) ------“Bombay Chronicle” —, % Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 4. Question re authority of report published in Considered and passed. 113. ------regarding terms on which Mr. Gandhi Criminal Procedure (Amendment) ------was prepared to recommend withdrawal of Assent of the Governor General. . 4. the August Resolution. 159. B rahmaputra R iver— Delhi Muslim Wakfs (Amendment) ------See “R ailway B ridge”. Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 627. Considered and passed. 684. Bribery— ^ Question re remarks of the Chief Justice of Factories (Amendment) ------the Calcutta High Court regarding pro­ Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 639. secution for petty cases joi ------. 450. Considered and passed. 685-86. Bridge- - . Hiudu Code. Part II (Marriage) ------See. “ R ailw ay ------”. Concurrence by the Council of State in the recommendation of the Legislative Assem­ British A rmy— bly that the ------be referred to a Joint Question re extent of revision of scales of Committee. 629-36. pay and allowances in the ------and Indian Nomination of members of the Council of Array 515-16. State to serve on the Joint Committee. British Baluchistan M otor V ehicles R ulb& 636. ' 1940— • Recommendation by the Legislative Assem­ Statement (laid on the table) re amendments bly that the ------be referred to a Joint - to the ----. 18-19. . Committee. 627. M British I ndia— Indian Aircraft (Amendment) ------Sep. “T axation”. Pass'd by the Legislative Assembly. 169. British M ilitary H ospitals— . Considered and passed. 221 27. • Question re appcintment of foreign refugee Indian Coconut Committoe ------* doctors in ----- . 513. ' Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 245. •Considered and passed. 501-09. Br; tisji Officers— . . Question re number of ----- in the I.M.S. Indian Companies (Amendment) ------holding Emergency Commissions. 514. Assent of the Governor General. 4. Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 169. British Quakers— * Considered aud passed. 220 21. Question re activities of the Friends Ambu- ' lance Unit of ----- in famine-stricken areas. Indian Finance' ------, 1944— 450. * Message from His Excellency the Governor General certifying th e ------. 516. Broadcasting— Message from his Excellency the Governor Question re budget estimate of 1944-45 in General recommending the Council of respect o f----- . 619. State to pass the ------as certified. *616. B udget— ' Laid on the table. 516. See “G eneral — # Motion to consider. 517*52, 553-91. 593­ See “R ailway ------” . % 612. Motion to pass. 612. B udget E stimate— Question re ------of 1944-45 in respect, oi Indian Income-tax (Amendment) ------Broadcasting. 619i Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 627. Considered and passed. 639-42. * B urder, H on. M r . J. H.— Indian Merchant Shipping (Amendment) ------General discussion of the General Budget. Passed by th«j, Legislative Assembly. 245. 258-59. - Considered and passed. 451. B urma— . Indian Tfca Control (Second Amendment) ------See “E vacuation”. Assent of the Governor General. 4. Sen “I ndian EVacuees”. Insurance (Amendment) ------See “I ndian I nterests” .* Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 170. See “R ice” . v Considered and passed. 227. • B urma Superior Services—; Protective Duties Continuation ------Information (laid on the table) re employ­ PasSnd by the Legislative Assembly. 639. ment of officers of the —:—. 21-25. Considered and passed. 684-85. Transfer of Property (Amendment)------B usiness, Statement op— Passed by the Legislative Assembly. 170. ------by the Hon. the Leader of the House Considered and passed. 227. ' 97, 121, 203, 296, 509-10, 637, 650. Victoria Memorial (Amendment)— Arffaem of the Governor General .4. B uta Singh, H on. Sir — Black M arket— Election of the ------to. the Defence Consul­ Question re sale of petrol in t h e ------. 157­ tative Committee. 686. 59. General«discussion of the General Budget. Board of E ducation, Central A dvisory— 274-76. . Mot-ynn for election of member. 113. General discussion of the Railway Budget Election of mfmber. 170. 139. * ‘ B ombay— Resolution re increase of Muslims in the See “Barley”. * " Central Services. 675, 676. f INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATE8

Change— Question re issue of eoupons in li«u of small Calcutta— ------. 302-03. Sec “D eaths”. See “F oodgrains”. Chabanjit Sinoh, H on. R aja— See “Salt’\ Expressions of regret in connection with the See “R equisitioning”. death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat Khan * See “W heat”. Tiwaua. 516-17. Nomination of the ------as Chairman of the Calcutta H igh Court— Committee on Petitions. 2. See “Chief Justice, ------Charter— Call-up— ,. See “A tla n tic ------”. Question rt ------of Mr. Suresh Vaidya. Chemical F ertilisers— , 109. 109-10. Question re import of ------. 156. Canada— Resolution re import of ------. 342 49. Set “W heat”. Chetttyar, H on, M r . Chidambaram— Cantonment (A mendment) Bill— Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ See “ ------” under “Bill”. mittee fo r the Department of PostB and Air. 245. \ Caroe, H on. Sir Olaf— Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Oath of Office. 447. - < " . mittee lor the Civil Defence Branch of the Resolution re rights o r citizenship for Ind:u.;.s Defence Department. 319-20. in the U.S.A. 472.74, 478, 479. Nomination of the -i— as a member of the Cashiers— Committee on Petitions. 2. ^ Question re ------in the B. & N. \V. R. and •Chief Justice, Calcutta H igh Court— R. & K. R. 625. Question re remffrks of the ------regarding Cattle— prosecution for petty capes of bribery. Question re— 450. Slaughter of ------. 167-68. CmNOY, H on. Sir R ahditoola— Slaughter of ------in Bengal for jnilitary Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ purposes, 319. mittee for Roads, 1944-45. ^45. - Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Cement— mittee for the Department of 8upply. 534. Question re control of ------. 302. Hindu Code Part II (Marriage) Bill— Central A dvisory B oard or E ducation— Motion to refer to Joint Committee. 632. Motion for election of member. 113. ' Citizenship— Election of member. 170. Question re ------rights for Indian settlers in Central A dvisory Council for R ailways— the U.S.A. 99. Motion for election of members. 371. Resolution re rights of ------for Indians in Election of membeA. 567. the U.S.A. 469-80. ' Central Committee of the T uberculosis Civil A viation— A ssociation of I ndia— _ Question re ------in the post-war period. 9. Motion for election* of ipembers. 600. Civ il D efence Branch or the D efence D e­ Nomination of* members. 628. partment, Standing Committee for— Election of members. 639. Motion for election of 'members 245. C entral E xcises and Salt Bill— Nomination of members. 304. See “ ------” under “Bill”. Election of nfembers. 320. Central Excises R ules, 1944— Civil D efence Sto r m — Statement (laid on the table) r e ------framed Question rc disposal of ------. 368. under the Central Excises and Salt Act, Civilian Gazetted Otticers— 1044. 245. Question re recruitment of ------. 652. Central G overnment— Civilian I nternees— ' Question re purchase of jute by the ------. Question re— - 367-68. Japanese treatment of Indian prisoners ol Central L egislature— war and ------. 312. * Question re general elections .of the ------. Relief of ------in Japanese hands. 205. 450. Civil Servants— Central M useum, N ew DfcLHi— See “I ndian ------”. Question re arrangement for scholars to study Clerical P osts— * historical records and antiquities at the Question re ------reserved for postmen, etc. Imperial Record Department and the ------. 108 09. 653. • Cloth— Central Services— Question re— . . Resolution re increase of Muslims in the Price per pound ^of —— , etc. 368-69. — . 668 84. * Sale of unstamped ------. 48-49. Chairmen, P anel or— See “Standard —— ” . Message from His .Excellency the Governor Coal— General nominating the ------. 2. . Question re— Chanda, Mr. A. K .— Inadequacy of the ------quota fixed for the Question re publication of reports submitted glass industry. 12-13. by Mr. R. H. Hutchings and ------on Imports of ------. 361. evacuation of*refugees from Burma. 369­ Import of steam ------for Mie West Coast. 70. I 495. INDEX TO THE COUNCIL CfP STATE DEBATES 5

Price* of ------at pits’ head of different COMPfNSATORY ALLOWANCE— centres. 496. Question rc grant of ------to temporary Stock of ------held at* Gaya, etc., by the duftries at Simla. 365 66: E. I. R. 315. . Conference of D ominion P rime M inisters— C oal Commissioner— * Question re representation of India at the Quetion re appointment of Mr. Young as proposed ------. 106. ------. 511-12. Congratulations— C oalfields— ------to recipients of Honours. 2-3, Question re number of coal miners^ employed Congress L eaders— in the------of Bengal and Bihar. 315. Question re trial of Mr. Gandhi and othei C oal M iners— ------. 166-67. Question rc number of ------employed in the CoNRAN-SMi'rH, H on. Mr. E.— coalfields erf Bengal and Bihar. 315. Notice of Motion for Adjournment re pre­ C oal M ines— . censorship order served on the Hindustan Question re employment of women in ------. Times and'the National Call. 17-18. 104-06, 107-08,110, 155, 156. Resolution re increase of Muslims in the Resolution rc employment of women in ------. Central Services. 675-78, 681, 682, 683.' 480-87. Conscription— C oal M ines Safety (Stowing) A mendment Question re— B ill— ------of Indians in the United Kingdom. See “ ------” under “B ill”. 109. . C oal "Hationino Scheme— His Majesty’s Government’s policy of — . Question rc ------. 314-15. 109. C oconut Committee Bill— Constitution of I ndia— ■ Sec “ Indian —:—” under “Bill”. Resolution re future ------on federal -prin­ C ode of Criminal P rocedure (A mendment) ciples. 53 69. . Bill— . Consumer G oods— * Assent of the Governor General. 4. Question rc— See “ ------” uqder “B ill”. Import of ------. 209-10. C ode of Criminal P rocedure (Second A mend­ Imports of bicycles and other ------. 46-47. ment) Bill— Contracts— See “ ------” under “Bill”, Question re termination of the ------of the C offee M arket E xpansion (Amendment) M. and 8. M. R. and SL I. R. 43. Bill—- Control— See “ ------” under “Bill”. Question re ------on machine tool manufac­ C oins— turers. 13. Question re circulation of currency notes and Cotton— * metal ------. 447. Question re diverting of land .from short Commander-in -Chief, H is Excellency the— staple------to food crops. 359. General discussion of the General Budget. Coupons— • . > 250-51. Question re issue of ------in lieu of* small Indian Finance Bill— change. 302-03. Motion to consider. 593-97. Motion for election of members to the Defence Crimes— Consultative Committee. 371. See “W ar ------*\ . Statement b y------on the general situation in Criminal P rocedure (Amendment) Bill— ' the central sector of the Burma Front. See “ ------’ ’ under “Bill”. 4fJ7-88. Crops— ' ^ C ommerce D epartment, Standing Committee See “F ood ------” . * for the— % Motion for election of members. 500. Cultivation^— Nomination of members. 628. Question re— Election of members. 639. ------of pyrethruin. 490-91. C ommercial T reaties and N otes— ------of reserve land in Assam. 206. Statement (laid £>n the table) re - — affecting Land brought under------as a result of the India. 212-19. ■ - “ Grow More Food” campaign. 361-62. C ommission— * Cultivators— See “I ndustrial ------”. Question rc— C ommittee on P etitions— * Assurances given to ----- of foodgrains. Constitution of the -----■<• 2. 359-61. C ommunal R atio— Facilities given to ------for the production Question rc ------in the Military Engineering of more foodgrains. 362. Services. 319. • Companies (A mendment) Bill— CuLTjjnAL M ission— ' See “ Indian ------” under “B ill”. Question re visit of ------from Iran. 620. C ompany Commanders— Currency N otes— See “R ifle ------”. Question rc circulation of ------and metal Compensation— # coins. 447. Qn-estion re payment of ------for requisition­ Cycle I ndustry— ed ships. 44-45.^ See “I n d ia n ------”. 6 INDEX TO THB pOUNClL OF STATE DEBATES

Declaration (s) or E xemption— Statement (laid on the table) re ------undor section 6 of the Registration of Foreigner* D alal, ‘Hon. Mr. M. N.— Act, 1939. 26-27, 626-27. Election of the — to the Standing Com­ mittee for tho Department of bupply. D efence and Supply Services— • Question re expenditure incurred on ------. 534 Election of the ------to the Standing Corn- 101- 02 . mittee for the Food Department. 686. Defence Consultative Committee— Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Motion for election of members. 371. mittee for Roads% 1944-45. 245. Nomination of members. 628. General discussion of the General ^Budget. Election of members. 686. 249-50. * Defence D epartment, Standing Committee, Motion re food situation. 390-92. for CivkL D efence B ranch of the— Nomination of the ------*> the Panel of Motion for election of members. 2A5. Chairmen. 2. Nomination of members. 304. . Besolution re— . ^ Election~uf members. 320. Industrial Commission to review existing D efence of I ndia R ules— industrial situation, etc. 336*37. . Question re object of rule 94A of the ------. Rehabilitation of the economic structure. 301. 184-86, 188, 194-95. Resolution re amendment of the ------. 69-96. D amao»— D efence Service Cvtick&s— Question re ------to paddy at railway Question re railway travel by ------. 297-98, stations.' 299. - 298. D amodar F loods— Question re terms of reference to the Com­ Devunce Stores— mittee appointed to inquire into tho 'See “Civ il ------”. — . 49. D egrees — . D ab, H on. Mb. M. L.— _ * Question re — and diplomas issued bj Election of the ------to the Standing Cbip- American Universities ih India. 45-46. mittee for the Labour Department. 371. D e lh i— General discussion of the General Budget. tfae “ Sobtmrs*\ " 285-86. • 6'ee “Standard Cloth”. General discussion of the Railway Budget. See “Y agna”. . 145-46. D elhi A rea— Indian Finance Bill— See “Supply Department”. Motion to consider. 589-90. D elhi M otor V ehicles R ules, 1940—?. Motion re food situation. 405-07. Statement (laid on the table) re amend­ Question re— ments to the ------. 19. Construction of a railway bridge over the D elhi M uslim W akfs (A mendment) B ill— Brahmaputra River. 207. See “------” under “B ill”. Cultivation pf reserve land in Assam. D epartment of Commerce, Standing Com­ 206. mittee for the— D as, H on. Mb. N. K.— Motion for election of members. 500. Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Nomination of members. 628. mittee for the Food Department: 636. Election of members. 639. Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ D epartment of F ood— mittee for the Labour Department. 371. .Question re gazetted posts in the Informa­ Indian Finance Bill— tion and Broadcasting Department and Motion to consider. 552. . - — . 620-24. * D epartment of F ood, Standing Committee as on ai ahadur atyendra umar D , .H . R B S K — tor the— Indian Finance Bill— Motion for election of members. 501. Motion to consider. 1583-84. ^ Nomination of members. 628. Motion re food situation. 398-99. Election of members. 686. # r Death (s)— • Department of I ndustries and Civil. ■ Expressions of regret in eonnectipn with the Supplies— * ------of Malik Sir Umar Ilayat Khan Question rj post* held in tjie ------and nun*- Tiwana. 516-17. ber of Muslims appointed therein. 168L Expressions of regret in connection with the D epartment of I nformation and B roadcast­ w —■J— of Mrs. Gandhi. 123-24/ ing— ^ • Expressions of regret in connection with the Question re— ------of Khan Bahadur Ihtisham Hyder Amount of money spent in advertisement* Chaudhnry. 3. by the ------and by other Depart­ Expressions of regret m connection with the ments. 210.------* ------of the Hon. Mr. Ramadas Ptfhtula. Gazetted posts in the ------and Food De­ 409-10. * partment. 620-24. Question re number of —— in Calcutta due D epartment of I nformation and Broadcast­ to famine. 159-60, in g , Standing Committee for the— D ibates— Motion for election of members. 113. Question re publication o f------of the Indian Nomination of members. 170. Legislature. 619. , Election of members. * 219. INDEX TO THK COUNCIL OP STATE DEBATEF

D iscrimination— • D epartment or L abqpr, Standing Committee Question re ------against ships on the Indian for TH®— Motion for election of members. 304. register. 48. Election of members. 371. D ismissal— ' D epartment or P osts and Air , Standing Question rc ------of Mr. E. M. Khan. 449- Committee for the— SO. Motion for election of members. 219. D octors— Election of members. 245. Question rc appointment of foreign refuge* D epartmint or Supply. Standing Committi* ------in British Military Hospitals. 513. Dollar Countries— \ fok THEt- # Motion for election of members, ouu. Question re exports to ahd imports from £Lection of members. 534. ------of America. 206-07. Deputy Controller G eneral, Civil S upplies, Dominion P rime M inisters— B enc.al— See “Conference o f ------*\ Question re appointment of Mr. K. F. D uftry(ies)— Sobhan, as ------. 15-16. • Question re— . D estitutes— Difference between the initial pay of a Question rc rehabilitation of ------in Bengal. temporary ------and-a temporary peon. 16. ' * 365. . Grant of compensatory allowance to tem­ D etention— Question rc ------of Mr. Suresh Vaida, 205. porary ------at Simla. 365-66. Pension earned by peons and ------on D evadoss, H on. Sir D avid— Central Excises and Salt Bill— retirement, 362-63. „ Motion to consider. 118. Election oi the ------to the (Standing Com­ E mittee on Emigration. 219. ' East I ndian R ailway— Election of the ------to the Central Advisory See “------” under “Railway(8)’\ Council for Railways. 567. E ast K handesh D istrict— Expressions of regret in connection with the See “ ? 00DaRAIN3” . ' death of the Hon. Mr. R&madas Pantuiu. E ast P ersia— 409. ^ See “R oad’V General “cliscussion of the Railway Budget. E conomic Structure— 129-31, 151. Resolution re rehabilitation of the ------. Indian Coconut Comifiittee Bill— 184-95. Motion to consider. 503, 505*06. Elections — Indian Finance Bill— See “General ------. Motion to consider. 536-40, 553. E lectric B ulb P rices— Motion re food situation. 401-02, 421, 437, Question re ------. 104* 444. ‘ Emergency Commissions— Nomination of the ------to the Panel of Question re number of British officers in th# Chairmei}. 2. * I. M. S.1 holding ------. 514. Question re— E migration, Standing Committee on— . Cultivation of pyrethrum. 490-91. Motion for election of members. 124. Outbreak of scabies in Madras. 491. Election members. 219. > • Prices of green vegetables in Madras. 491. • E mployment— * Spread and treatment of scabies. 491-92. Question re traders thrown out of ------as a Supply of quinine to Madras. 490. result .of Government procurement opera­ Question (supplementary) rc quinine pro­ tions in Bengal. 47. duct ion^J.0-11. European W omen—• Resolution rc— Question rc lack of ’'assistance on the pari Amendment of the Defence of India of ------in the task of organising welfare * Rules. 92^ • of the fighting forces. 11 -12. Future constitution of India on Federal E vacuation— principles. 67, 68. v Question re publication of reports submitted D inapore Cantonment E xecutive B oard—. by Messrs^R. H. Hutchings and A. K. Question re number of Muslims on the ------. Chanda orr------of refugees from Burma. 169. 369-70. Diplomas— E vacuees— ' Question re degrees and ------issued by . Information (laid on the table) rc expendi­ American Universities in India. 45-46. ture incurred on non-Indian------by D irector General of A rcheology— various Governments. 21. Question re appointment of successor to the QufiBtion re number of ------. 166. — . 99-100. . See “I ndian ------Resolution re appointment of an Indian a* E xpenditure— „ — 349-58. . Question re ------incurred on Defence and^ D irector General, P osts and T elegraphs— Supply Services. 101-02. See “OFrlcn hr t h e ------M. E xperts— - D irector of T elegraphs, Bihar and Orissa See “R ailway ------”. CirOlk— . Exports — Question re creation of the post of ------. Question re ------to and imports from dollar 318. • conhtries of America." 206-07. 8 INDEX TO THB COUNCIL OF BT\T£ DEBATES

F * Quantity of ------held by rail wavs in Bengal. 161. • F actories (A mendment) B ill— Rationing of ------in Bengal for religious See “------" under “Bill*’. purposes. 625. F amine— Responsibility for distribution of ------in Question re number of deaths in Calcutta Calcutta. 162-63. due t o ------. 159-60. • Shortage of ------in the East Khandesh F amine A reas— district. 163-64. Question re assistance given by military JSupply of ------to troops of the United units in t h e ------of Bengal. 42*43. Nations in India. 311. F amine-stricken Areas— Telegrams sent to Up-country dealers Question re activities of the Friends Ambu­ from Calcutta advising them not to buy lance Unit of British Quakers in famine------for Bengal. 164-65. - stricken aroas. 450. F oodgrains P olicy Committee— F ederal Court— Question re recommendations of the ~ — Question re extension of jurisdiction of the in respect of manure. 157. ------. 99. . F ood Situation— F ederation or I ndian Chambers— Motion re*------. 371-407, 411-45. Question re representation by the — - on F oodstuffs— ‘ grievances in steel re-rolling mills. 299. Notice of Motion for Adjpurnment re F ertilizers— supplies of ------to deficit areas. 16-17. See “Chemical ------M. F orecasts— • ‘ ” F ertilizing P lant— Question re publication of ------of crops of Question re import of ------. 156-57. Foodgrains. 615. F ighting F orces— F oreign Countries— Question re lack of assistance on the part Question re industrial mission for ------. 489. of European women in the task of organ­ ising welfare of the ------. 11-12. F reight— F inance B ill, 1944— ^ " " R ailway ------. See “ Indian ------” under “ Bill**. Friends A mbulance U nit— * F iroz K han N oon, H on. Sir— Question re activities of t h e ------of British Cantonment (Amendment) Bill— Quakers in famine-stricken areas. 450. Motion to consider. 304, 306-07, 306. Frontier M ail— Motion to pass. 306, 309. Question re transfer of sorters at a month’s Indian Finance Bill— notice on the — . 495. - Motion* to consider. 526. . Motion for election of Standing Committee G for Civil Defence Branch of the Defence Department. 245. Gandhi, M e .— Motion f°r election of three members to the Question re— Standing Committee for the Department Authority of report published in Bombay of Supply. 500. Chronicle regarding terms on which ------F loods— . *. was prepared to recommend withdrawal See “Damoda* ------M. of the August Resolution. ' 159. F ood Crops— Tri*l of ------and other Congress leaders. Question rr, diverting of land W ghort i 166-67. staple cotton t o------. 359. F ood Department— Gandhi, M r s.—^ Question re gazetted posts in the Informs- Expressions of regret in connection with the death of ------. 123 24. . ilon Broadcasting Department and ----- 620-24. ‘ Question re treatment of ------. 511. F ood DwAimenrr, Sxanmko Co m m ito * fob Ganges— the— • Question re— Motion for election of members. 601 — — water at Rishikesh. 451. Nomination of members. 628. ’ Mii^ral and chemical properties of the Election of members. 686. river ------. 450-51. F oodgrains— G aya— Question re— £ See “Coal". Agency employed by Government for the G azetted Officers— purchase o f ------. 299. * Sec “Civilian ------■**. Assurances given to cultivators of ------359-61. . * G azetted P osts— Basic prices of ------in Bengal. 47. Question re ------in the Information and Facilities given to cultivator for tho Broadcasting and Food Departments. ' production of more ------. 362 620-24. . Import of ------. 160-61. General B udget— Import of ------into Calcutta. 298. General discussion of the ------for 1944-46. Number of Wagons loaded w ith---. 52. * ?45-96. Publication of forecasts. of crops of _____. 615. ’ Message from His Excellency the Governor General appointing days for the presen­ Quality of ------supplied to Calcutta. 14- tation and general discussion of the ------. 1- 2. INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES 9 - 9 Message from His Excellency the Governor Greenfield, H on. Mr . H .— General directing that the --heads of ex­ Central Excises and Salt Bill— penditure specified 4n sub-section (3) of Motion to consider. 113-14, 119-20. section 67A of the Government of India Motion to pass. 121. .Act shall be open to discussion when the ------is under consideration. 2. Oath of Office. 99, 553. Presentation of the ------for 1944-45. 225­ G rievances— 44. Question re ------of Muslims. 625. enera lections G r, E — “G row M ore F ood1’ Campaign— Question re ------of th^ Central Legislature. Question re land brought under cultivation 460. as a result of the ------. 361-62. General H eadquarters (I ndia}— Question re number of Indian officers in G unny— ------. 367. Question re appointment of a European firm as agents for the purchase of ------G eneral H eadquarters, Middle E ast and P ai and saltpetre for Mauritius. 205-06. F orces— > Question re number of Indian officers m a — th e------. 493-94. • ' Glass I ndustry— Hartley, G eneral Sir A lan— Question re inadequacy of the coal quota Congratulations to ------on his recent fixed for the — —. 12-13. Honour. 3. . G^ ld— Havan— Question re­ Question "fc performance of Yayna or ------payment by the U. S. A., etc., to Iran in Delhi. 303. in 317-18. • H ead Clerks of Offices of Superintendent* Pale of ------by the Reserve Bank of of P ost Offices— India. 313. Question re number of Inspectors of Post Offices and R. M. S. and ------and num­ G overning Body of the I ndian R esearch ber of posts held by Muslims, etc. 108. F und A ssociation— Motion ior election of member 501. H ejaz, Standing Committee on P ilgrimage Election of member. 636. to the— Motion for election of members. 124. G overnment of Bengal— Election of members. 219. Question re report of the Committee' * appointed to inquire into the profits made H indu Code, P art II (M arriage) Bill— by th e------out of wheat purchases. 166. See “------” under “B ill”. G overnment of B urma— H industan I nsurance Co.— Question re appointment of an Indian agent ' Question re requisition of the building of to the -----. 513. . the ------. 619. . G overnment of I ndia P resses— - “H industan T imes”— Question re tenders, for collecting waste Notice of Motion for Adjournment re pre­ paper from ------. 651. , censorship order served on the ------and Government Orders— the National Call. 17-18. Question rc date of ------relating to appoint­ H ib M ajesty’s Government— * ment of Muslims. 49. K Question re— Government P rocurement Operations— ------’s policy of. conscription. 109. Question re traders thrown out of employ­ Purchase of certain articles in India on ment as a tagult of ------in Bengak 47. account of ------. 654. Governor General, H is E xcellency the— Purchase of linseed by ---- 313. Message from ----- tfppointing days for the H issamuddin Bahadur, H on. Lt.-Col. Sir — presentation and general discussion of Expressions of regret in connection with tlie General Budget. 1-2. the death of Malik Sir Umar Hay&t Message from----- appointing days for the Khan Tiwana. 516-17. presentation and general discussion of the General discussion of the General Budget. Railway Budget. 1. 277-78. Message from ~— directing that the heads General discussion of the Railway Budget! of expenditure specified in sub-section (3) 138-39. of section 67A~of the Government of Indian Coconut Committee Bill— India Act shall be open . to discussion Motion to consider. 503, 504, 505. when the Budget is under consideration. • Indian Finance Bill— 2. . Motion to considers 585-86. Message from ---- nominating the Panel of Motion re food situation. 431-33, 437. Chairmen. 2. H istorical R ecords— Message from ------certifying the Indian Question re afrangements for scholars to Finance Bill, 1944. 516. study ------and antiquities at the Im­ Message from ------recommending the ' perial Records Department and the Cen­ Council of State to pass the Indian Fin­ tral Museum, New Delhi. 653. ance Bill, 1944, as certified. 516. H onours— . Gratuities— , Congratulations to recipients of ------. 2-3. Question re ------drawn by British and H ospitals— • Indian I. M.*15fc- officers. 513-14. See “British M ilitary ------”. 10 INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES

H ossain I mam, H on. M r.— Disposal of broad gauge Joeoraotive* im­ ported from the U. S. A. 313-14. Central Excise and Salt Bill-*: ^ Disposal of civil defence stores. 36$. Motion to consider. 115, 116. * Distribution of work between senior Election of tlie ------to tho Standing Com­ sorters and junior sorters in the Delhi mittee for the Department of Informa­ R. M. S. 496. » tion and Broadcasting. "219. Duties performed by sorters in the Regis­ Expressions of regret in connection with tration Department, Delhi. 496. the death of Malik Sir Umar filayat Electric bulb prices. 104. Khan Tiwaua. 516-17. Exports to and imports from dollar coun­ Expressions of regret in connection with tries of America. 206-07. the death of Mrs. Gandhi. 129. Gazetted ‘posts in the Information and General discussion of the General Budget. Broadcasting and Food Departments. 253, 262-66, 283, 286, 290, 294, 295. 620 24. General discussion of the Railway Budget. Giant of compensatory allowance to tem­ 139-44, 145, 148, 149, 152. porary duftries at Sirti^a. 365 66. Indian Aircraft (Amendment) Bill— Import of ednsuruer goods. 209-10. Motion to consider. 223. _ • Import of petrol and kerosene. 620. v Indian Coconut Committee Bill— Import of steam coal for the West Coast. Motion to consider. 504. » 495. Indian Finance Bill— Import of steel contyonenU for the ma^u- Motion to consider. 640, 548, 543, 544, iacture of railway wagons. 314. 549, 550. 553, 554, 564-75, 587, 598, 6ul, Imports of wheat into Calcutta. 49/ 602, 611. Imports of wireless sets. 103-04. India’s reciprocal aid to the* U. S. A. Indian Merchant Shipping (Amendment) 104. Bill— Leave rules applicable to inferior ser- Motion to consider. 451. • van.s. 366. Motion to pass. 451. Number of coal miners employed in the Motion rc— coalfields of Bengal and Bihar. 315. Food situation. 375, 377, 379, 399, 406, Number of ships sunk with wheat. 49. 414. 417-22, 431, 439, 440, 441, 442, 443. Number of standard cloth shops, etc., in 444, 445. provinces. 103. United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation N umber of wagons loaded with food­ Administration Agreement. 689-90, % 691, grains, 52. > 694. t ■> Offer by Japan to export rice from Notice of Motion for Adjournment rt pre-‘ Burma. 102. censorship- order ^ejved on the Hindustan Payment by the U. S. A., etc., to Iran Times and tlie National Call. 17-18. in gold. 317-18. Question rc— Payment of leave salary to sorters station- Age limit f o r recruitment in the subordi­ < ed at Delhi. 495-96. nate rank* of Posts and' Telegraphs Pension earned by peons and duftries on offices. 449.* , retirement. 362-63. - Performance of extra duties by sorters. Allowances drawn by inferior servants 496. when on tour. 363-64. ^ Personnel and dates of meetings of the Allowances drawn by the ^Ministerial staff Reconstruction Committdfe. 489. when on tour. 363. Postings of sorters% to running sections Amount of money spent in advertisements and mail offices. 495. / by the Department of Information and Broadcasting and by other Depart­ Price per pound of leopard cloth, etc. 368-69. ‘ ments. 210. / Amount spent in building accommodation Prices of coal at pits' head of different cen­ for armed forces. 448-49. ' tres. 495. Assurances given to culiivatora of food- guains. 359-61. 0 Prices^ of rice and wheat. 52. Budget estimate of 1944-45 in respect of Production of paper "&nd steps taken to Broadcasting. 619. increafe production. 208. Circulation of currency notes and metal -Production of textile mills. 311. coins. 447. Coal rationing scheme. 314-15. Progress of National Savings drive. 447- Communal ratio in the Military Engineer­ ing Services. 3J.9. _ . Provincial Advisory Committee for stan­ Control and direction ^>y Americans of dard cloth. *103. traffic operations on certain sections of Purchase of certain articles in India on - the B. & A. R. 316. H. M. G .’s account. 654. Difference between the initial pay of a Purchase of ttnseed by His Majesty’s temporary duftry • and a temporary peon. 365. Government. 313. Difficultv in obtaining motor tyres and Purchase of a steam power plant, from batteries. 619-20. the U . S. A. 315-16. Dismissal of Mr. E. M. Khan. 449-50. Receipts and dittos of standard cloth. 207. INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES II

Recruitment of Civilian Gazetted Officers. Sal&ry and allowance of Colonel J. A. 662. . Appleton, Adviser to the Railway Board Requisition of the building of the Hin­ 8-9. . , Sale of petrol in the black market. 157­ dustan Insurance Co. 619. 59. Sale of gold by the Reserve Hank of Slaughter of cattle. 167-68. India. 313. * - United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Sale of standard cloth in Delhi. 103. Administration. 41-42, 512. s Resolution re— Stock ol* coal held at Ga\a, etc., by the . Amendment of the Defence of India Rules. E. I R. 315. ' ’ 84-85. Stocks of paper held by mills, 208-09. Employment of women in coal mjnes. 485. * Sub-letting of inferior staff quarters. 494­ 95. ^Future constitution of India on Federal principles. 67, 68. , Sugar prices. 102, 103. Import of chemical fertilizers. 343-44, Supply of liveries to temporary inferior 347. # servants. 364-65. Increase of Muslims in the Central Ser­ Tenders for collecting waste paper from vices. 668-70, 674, 675, 67d* 680-83. Government of India Presses. 651. Industrial Commission to review existing Terms on which the U. S. A ., etc., are industrial situation, etc. 340, v * making payments fot rupee disburse­ Manufacture of bread gauge locomotives. ments. 317. *2Q2, 323-24. - Theft of stores . from Ordnance Depots. Permanent exchange value of the rupee. 652/ 652-53, 653. # 451-55, 455, 458, 464-66, 468. Translcr of sorters at a month’s notice on Price 'Control and requirements of agricul* the Frontier Mail. 495. * : Jurists. 97, 170-72, ' 177, 178/ 181, U. S. A. purchases, etc., on Government 182-84. m , account. . 651. - Rehabilitation of the economic structure. Weight of paper manufactured. 104. 186-82, . Question* (supplementary) re— Withdrawal of Regulations restricting Appointment of a European firm as agents entry of Indian immigrants into Ken* a. for the purchase of gunny and salt­ 662-63. ‘ * petre for Mauritius. 205-206. N H ouses— Appointment of Mr. Young as Coal Com­ Question re requisitioning of ------in missioner. 511-12. . Calcutta for military use. 366. Appointment of .succcssor to the Director IIuTciiiNfis, Mr . K. H .~ General of Archaeology. 99-100. Question re publication of ^reports submit­ Cultivation of pyrothrum. 490-51. > ted by and Mr. A. K. Char.da on Diveiting of land from short staple cotton evacuation of refugees from Burma to foocW crops. 359. 369-70. • ’ ' Employment "o f women in coal mines H ydari, H on-. M r . M. S. A .— 104-06, 107-08, 110. ’ Market Expansion (Amendment) Expenditure incurred on Defence and Supply Services. 101-02. Motion to consider. 113. Imports of barley from Iraq. 210-11. Motion to pass. 113. im ports of coal. 361. Oath of 0(% e. 489, 651. Indian cycle industry. 5-6. Resolution ic— Tiicrhting ’ of railway conches. 514-15. Industrial Commission to review existing , Marrin of profits allowed to textile mills. industrial situation, etc. 339-40, 341. 359. • Price control and requirements of agri­ culturists. 183. , Mr. Frank Parr, Mr. E. D McCallum and Mr. P. C. Younsr. 312-13. I Number of Indian officers in G. H. Q.. I ce— • M ’ ddle East and Pai Forces. 493-94. Question re railway freight for ------oa Number of Indians holdingthe rank of . the Bengal and Assam Railway. 12. lieutenant-colonel. 366-67. I htisham H yder Chaudhury, K han B aha * Outbreak of scabies in Madras. 491. dur— x ; Post-war monetary Plans. 44. Expressions of regret in connection with Prices of green vegetables in Madras. 491. the death of ------. 3. * Proportion of Indian to British T. M ., S. I mmigrants— officers in the Middle East. 493. See "In dian *----- *\ Publication of reports submitted by Imperial R ecord D epartment— Messrs. R, H. Hfttcbinga and A. K. Question re arrangements for scholars to Chanda on evacuation of refugees from , study historical records and antiquities at Burma. 369-70. ‘ the ------and the Central Museum, New Quality of foodgrains supplied to Calcutta. • Delhi. 653. 14*16’ . ‘ . I mperial R ecord D epartment Building— ’ Recommendations of the Foodgrains Question rc occupation of the ------by the Policy Committee in respect of manure. military. 653, 653>54. 157. I mport and E xport Duties— Responsibility for distribution of food­ Information (laid on the table) re gross grains in Calcutta. 162-63. annual revenue received fram — . 304. 12 INDEX TO THI? COUNCIL OP aTATU DEBATBB

• . I mports— I ndian Journalists— Question re exports to and ------from Question re refusal of passports, etc., to dollar countries of America. 206*07. ------. 99. I ncome— I ndian Legislature— Question re publication of debates of the S tt “T axes on — ------. 619. I ncome-tax (A mendment) Bill— I ndian M edical Service— Sec “ Indian ------” under “ Bill” . Question re number of B ritish officers in , Income-tax Officers— t h e ------holding Emergency Commis­ Information (laid on the table) re ------, sions. 514. etc., in the Punjab. 19. ' I ndian M edical Service Officers— I ndian (s)— * Question re— Question rt— Gratuities drawn by British and Indian Conscription of ------in the United ------. 513-14. * Kingdom. 109. Number of ------employed on recruiting Disabuses, etc., affecting ------in the duty. 5. U.8.JT 311-12. Proportion" of Indian to British ------in Number of ------holding the rank of the Middle East. 493. lientenant-colonel. 366-67, I ndian Merchant ‘ Shipping (A mendment) B ill— Besolution re—- • See “ ------M under “B ill”. Appointment of an ------as Director I ndian M ilitary P ersonnel— General of Archaeology. 349-68. * Question re pays and allowances, etc., ad­ Rights of citizenship for ------in the missible to ------. 515. U.S.A. 469-80. I ndian Officers— . Indian Agent— m Question re— Question re appointment of an ------to the Number of ------in G.H.Q. (I.). 367. Government of Burma. 513. ^ Number of ------in the G.H.Q., Middls EaBt and Pai Force. 493-94. . I ndian A ircraft (A mendment) B ill— Number of —— in Indian Signal Units Ste “ ------” under “Bill”. in the Middle East. 492. I ndian A ir F orce— Number of ------in the I.A.M.C. 514. Question re recruitment for the ------and I ndian P risoners of W ar— Royal Indian Navy. 11. Question re— I ndian A rmy— * . Japanese treatment of ------and civilian Question re extent of revision of scales of internees. 312. pay and allowances in the British Army Repatriation of ------. 43. and ------. 615-16. - I ndian R ailways— ‘ I ndian A rmy M edicai/ Corps— Question re examination by railway ex­ Question re number of Indian'officers in perts of the operating methods employed the ------. 514. b y ------. 15. 102. I ndian Chambers— I ndian R kd Cros«*— See “Federation or ------Question re head of the ------organization I ndian C ivil Servants— in the Middle East. 494. Questiorf re increase in pensjpns of retired I ndian R^c.istpti— ------. 164. Question re discrimination against shins on I ndian Coconttt Committee B ill— the ------. 48. See “ ------** under “Bill”. I ndian R esearch F und A ssociation, G overn­ ing B ody of the— I ndian Companies (A mendment) B ill— 8 m “ ------” under “Bill”. Mot;on for ..election of member. 501 Election of member. 636. I ndian Cycle I ndustry— Qnestion re — —. 5-6. I ndian Settlers— I ndian E vacuees-^ Question re citizenship rights for ------in Question re reinstatement of ------in the U.8.A. 99. Burma. 12. I ndtan Signal U nits— iNunAN F inance B tll, 1944— Question re ^limber of Indian officers. in See “ ------,r under “B ill” . . ------in the Middle East. 492. I ndian I mmigrants— I ndian States— Resolution re withdrawal of Regulations Question re taxation i n ------and its effect restricting entry of ------into Kenya. on transfer of industries from British 654-68. . . India into Indian India. 302. I ndian I ncome tax (A mendment) B ill— See “ ------” under "B ill”. I ndian T ea Controi? (Second A mendment) I ndian I ndia— See “T axation”. See “ ------” under “B ill” . *' I ndian* I nfantry— I ndian T roops—

Question re rank of Rifle Company Com­ Question re ------in the Middle East. 493 ­ manders in active battalions of ----- . * 298. „ I ndia’ s W ar E ffort— I ndian I nterests— . Question re —— . 13. Question re safeguarding of — in Burma. TNFANtRY— . 48. See “ Indian ------. INDEX TO THB COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES 13 - * I nferior S ervants— 3 Question re— Japan— Allowances drawn by ------when on tour. See “ R ice” . * 363-64, Japanese— Leave rules applicable to ------. 366. Question re— - Supply of liveries to temporary ------treatment of Indian prisoners of 364-65. w.ar and civilian internees. 312. I nformation and Broadcasting D epartment— Relief to civilian internees in ------hands. Question re— % - 205. . Amount of money spent in advertise­ Treatment . of prisoners of war by th# ments by the ------wid by other De­ ------. 165. - • ‘ Jenkins, Sir E van— partments. 210. Gazetted posts in the ------and Food Congratulations to ------on his K.C.I.E. 3. Department. 620-24. Jogendra Singh, H on. Sir— - Expressions of regret in connection with I nformation and Broadcastino D epartment, the death of the Hon. Mr. Ramadas Standing Committee for the— Pantulu. 409. - Motion for election of members. 113. Expressions of regret in connection with Nomination of members. 170. tne death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat KhaO Election of members. 219. Tiwana. 516-17. f I nformation (laid on the table) re— General discussion of the General Budget. Employment of officers of the Burma Su- 262, 276. pcrior services. 21-25. Indian Coconut Committee Bill— Expenditure incurred on non-Indian Motion to consider. 501, 507-09. evacuses by various Governments. 21. Motion to pass. 509. Gross annual revenue received from import Motion for election of one member for th# and' export duties. 304. Central Advisory Board of Education. Income-tkx officers, etc., in the Punjab. 19. 113. Lease lend vehicles allocated for civil use. Motion for election of one member to th# 19-20. •Central Committee of the Tuberculosis Steps taken to find sources of sulphur. Association of India. 500. 497-500. Motion for election of one member to th# Supply department. 25-26 , 625-26. Goverriing Body of the Indian Research Upper class tickets issued and collected at Fund Association. 501. • - stations on the Murshidabad-Lalgola sec­ Motion rc food situation. 402, 422-25. tion of^ the B. & A. R. 21. Resolution re— Appointment of an Indian as Director I ndustrial Commission— General of Archreologv.352-55. 358. Resolution re ------to review existing in­ Import of chemical fertilizers. 344-43. dustrial situation, etc. 332-42. . Price control and requirements of agri­ I ndustrial M ission— culturists. 179 81, 183. Question re ------for foreign' countiies. 489. Jones, Hon. Mr. C. E.— • I ndustries— _ Expressions of regret in connection with Que stion rc taxation in Indian States and the death of the Hon. > Mr. Ramadas its effect on transfer of ------from British Pantulu. 410. India into* Indian India. 302. General discussion of the General Budgdi. • I ndustries and Civil Supplies D epartment— 264 . 271, 286-96. . Question re posts held ia the Department General discussion of the Railway Budget. of ------and number of Muslims appoint­ 128. # * ed therein. 168. . Indian Finance Bill— * I nquiry— * Motion to consider. 518-19, 521, 537, Question rc report of - — into wheat pro­ 549, 566, 567, 597-612. ducts in Bengal. 52. Presentation of the General Budgot. 228-44. I nspectors of P osts Offices and R .M .S.— Resolution rc— Question re— . Permanent exchange vnlue of the rupeoi Number of ------and head clerks of the 456, 457, 459, 460-63, 464, 466, 467, Offices of Superintendents of Post 468-69, Offices and number of posts held by Rehabilitation of the economic structur#. Muslims, etc. 108. 185, 191-94. Reservation of Posts of Superintendents Journalists— of Post Offices and R.M.S. for ------. See “Jndian ------”. 108. Jute— I nsurance (A mendment) Bill— Question re purchase of ------by th© Ce*- tral Government. 367-68. See “ ----- ” under “Bill’\ I nsurance R ule®, 1939— Statement *(laid on the table) rc further K amendments to the ------. 496-97. K alikar, Hon. Mr. V. V.— Internees— Election of the ------to the Defence Con­ See "C ivilian ------sultative Committee. 686. ' I ran— General discussion of the General Bndgsi. See "C ultural M ission”. 272-74. . Iraq— Indian Aircraft (Amendment) Bill— See “B arley”. ______#______* —■ Motion to consider. 222-23. ~ 14 INDBX TO t U l COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES

Indian Coconut Committee Bill— * Expressions of i&gret in connection with Motion to consider. 506-07. tne death of Mrs. Gandhi** 123. Indian Finance Bill— Expressions { of regret in connection witk Motion to consider. 555*56. the death* of the Hon. Mr. Ramade* Motioif re food situation. 4l9, 425-28, 431. Pantulu. 410. ’ Nomination of the ------to the Panel of General discussion of the General Budget. Chairmen. 2. 253-57, 264, 289, 294. Question re— Number of I~M.S% officer* employed on Hindu Code Part II (Marriage) Bill— Motion to refer to Joint Committee. 633­ recruiting duty. 5. i Sale of records of the Railway Clearing 35. „ Accounts Office, Delhi. 5. jndifh Aircraft (Amendment) Bill— Question (supplementary) re— Motion to colder. 223-26, 227. Appointment of Mr. Young as Coal Com­ Indian C9Conut Committee Bill— missioner. 511-12. Motion to consider. 507. Disposal of broad gauge locomotives im­ ported from the U.S.A. 313-14. Indian. Finance Bill— * Land brought under cultivation as a re­ Motion "to consider 517, 518, 556-64, 575, sult of the “ Grow Mor# Food” cam­ 594, 5915, 596, 598, 605. paign. 361-62. Motion re— . ’ Number of deaths in Calcutta due to Food situation. 376, 377, 378, 380, 411­ famine. 159 60. 17, 421, 423, 424 , 430, 431, 434, 437, 438, 439, 441, 443, 444, 445. " Resolution re— Amendment of the Defence of Indian United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Rules. 82-84. Administration Agreement. 645-47, 694. Appointment of an Indian as Director Nomination of th e------as a member of tha General of Archaeology. 349-52, 356 57. Committee on Petitions. 2. Increase of Muslim* in the Central Ser­ ' Notice of Motion for Adjournment re— vices. 668, 673-75, 680, 681. Lathi charge by the police at Amritsar MnmifPicture of broad f'auge locomotives 17' . * 320-22, 329. “ . Pre-censorship order served on the ‘Price control and requirements of agri­ Hindustan Times and the National culturists. 173-74. Cali. 17-18. Ritjht of citizenship for Indians in the Supplies of foodstuffs to dcfipit areas. U.S.A. 478-79. 16-17. Withdrawal of Regulations restricting Question re— entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya. Facilities given to cultivators for the 663.’ production of more foodgrains. 362. Kenya — Head of the Indian Red Cro«s organiza^ See “ Indian Immigrants” . lion in the Middle Eaft. 494. Indian troops in the Middle East. 492 93. Ktroskye — * Lind brought under cultivation as a Qi^tion re import of petrol and ------. 620. result of the “ Grow More Food’* cam­ K han , Mu . E. M.— paign. 361-6?. * Question re dismissal of ------. 449-50. ,t Number*-of Indian officers in G.H.Q. (I.) K hup.shtt> Ali Khan , Hon . N awabzada — ' 367. # Delhi Muslim Wakfs (Amendment^ Bill— Number of Indian officers h\ the G.K.Q.* Motion to consider. 684. Middle East and Pai Force. 493-91. • Motion to pa$s. 684. Number of Indian officers in Indian Signal Units in the Middle East. 492. Election of- th e------to the Standing Com­ Number of Indians hoi dim; the rank of mittee for the Civil Defence Branch of lieutenant* colonel. 366-67. th* Defence Department. 319-20. Proportion of Tndinn to British T.M.S. Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ officers in the Middle East 493. mittee for the Department of Posts and Publication of reports submitted by Air. 245. Messrs. R. H. Hutchings nnd A. K. Election of the ------to the Standing Com Chanda on evaluation of refugees from mittee for the Food Department. 686. Burma. 369-70. Expressions of regret in connection with Rank of Rifle Company Commanders in the death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat active battalions of Indian Infantrv. Khan Tiwana. 516-17. 298. ' Indian Coconut - Committee ‘Bill— Supply Department. 613-14, 614 15, 615. Motion to consider. 503. Question (supplementary) re— K fnzbu , Hon . Pandit H. N.— " Appointment of Mr. Young as Coal Com­ Cantonment (Amendment) Bill— X* missioner. 511-12. Motion to consider. 307. . Appointment of successor to the Director Central Excise and Salt Bill— General of Arch®ology. 99-100. Motion to consider. 116-18, 119, 120. , Call-up of Mr. Suresh Vaidya. 109, 109­ Congratulations to recipients of Honours. 10. 2-3. - * Degrees and diplomas issued by Americ&a Election of the ------to the Defence •Con­ Universities in India. 45-46. sultative Committee. 686. Detention of Mr. Suresh Vaidya. 205. Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ Employment of women in coal mines. mittee on ^migration. 219. 104-06, 107-08, 110, 155, 156. INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES 15

Figures of mortality due to starvation Lal, H on. Mb. Shavax A— and associated diseases. 106-07. Central Excises and Salt Bill— Import of foodgrains. 160-61. Motion to consider. 115-16. Imports of barley from Iraq. 210-11. Hindu Code, Part II (Marriage) Bill— Imports of coal. 361. . Motion to refer to Joint Committee. 6201 Import of fertilising plant. 156-67. • Motion rs nomination of members of the Indian cycle industry. 5-6. Council of State to the Joint Commit­ Introduction of rationing throughout tee. 636. - India. 299-300. Resolution re manufacture of broad gauge Manufacture of motor cars and trucks. 43. locomotives. 202. Mr. Frank Parr, Mr, E. D. McCallum Transfer of Property (Amendment) Bill-— and Mr. P. C. Young. 312-13. Motion to consider. 227. Number of coal miners employed, in the Motion to pass. 227. coalfields of Bengal and Bihar. 315. I*all, H on. Mb. S.— Number of deaths in Calcutta due to ' Factories (Amendment) Bill— famine. 159-60. Motion to consider. 685. Payment by the U.S.A., etc., to Iran in Motion to pass. 686. . gold. 317-18. Oath of Office. 613. Pays and allowances, etc., admissible to Land— Indian military personnel. 515. Question re— . , . Quality of foodgrains supplied to Cal­ Cultivation of reserve ------in Assam. 206. - cutta. 14-15. Diverting of ------from short staple cotton Quinine production. 10-11. to food crops. 359. Rationing of salt, etc., in Calcutta. 15. ------brought under cultivation as a result Receipts and sales of standard cloth. 207. of the 4‘Grow More Food” campaign* Rehabilitation of destitutes in Bengal. 16. 361-62. * Reinstatement of Indian evacuees in Large Industrial Establishments in India— Burma. 12. Question re publication of the ------. 619. Beport of the Committee appointed to in­ Lathi Chaboe— quire into the profits made by the Gov­ Notice of Motion for Adjournment re — * ernment of Bengal out of wheat pur­ by the police at Amritsar. 17. chases. 166. Question re ------on security prisoners io Responsibility for distribution of food­ Berhampur Jail. 299. grains in Calcutta. 162-63. L bASE-JjEND V ehicles— Balary and allowance of Colonel J. A. Information (laid on the table) re — Appleton, Adviser to the Bailway ' allocated for civil use. 1&-2D. Board. 8-9. L eave R ules— Slaughter of cattle. 167-68. Question re ------applicable to inferior ser­ Stocks of paper held by mills. 208-09. vants. 366. Taxation in Indian States and its effect L eave Salabt— . on transfer of industries from British Question re payment of — to sorWie India into Indian India. 302. stationed at Delhi. 495-96. Treatment of prisoners of war by the L egislature— J apanese. 165. See “ C en tra l ------Resolution re— See “ In d ia n ------” . , Amendment of the Defence of India L enin— Buies. 70, 71-76, 88, 91, 92-96. Question re ------'s book The Revolution of Appointment of an Indian as Director 1905. 316-17. General of Archaeology. 349, 352. L ieutenant-C olonel— Employment of women in coal mines. 484. Question re number of Indians ‘ holding the Import of chemical fertilizers. 342. rank of ------., 366-67, Industrial* Commission to review exist­ L ighting— . . ' ' ing industrial situation, etc. 332-36, Question r e ------of railway coaches. M4-15. 337, 340, 341. L inseed— Manufacture of broad gauge locomotives. Question re purchase of ------by Hie 195-200, 325, 326, 327-29,* 331. Majesty’s Government. 313. Permanent exchange value of the rupee. L iveries— ‘ 457-60, 465-67. Question re supply of ------to temporal* Rehabilitation of the economio struc­ inferior servants. 364-65. ture. 191. * L ocomottves— i Right of citizenship for Indians in the Question re disposal of broad gauge —— U.S.A. 477-78. imported from the U.STA. 313-14. Withdrawal of Regulations restricting Resolution re manufacture of broad gauge entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya. locomotives. 195-202, 320-31. 663/ 663-65. M

M achine T ool M anufacturers__ Question re control o n ------. 13. E aboub D epartment, Standikq Committbb M adras— „ fob the— ' See “ Q u in in e” . Motion for election of members. 304. See “ Scabies” . Election of members. 371. See “Vegetables” .

\ 16 INDEX TO THB OOONOIL OF STATH DBBATB8 ■ , , ii ...... — — - , ...... - I - — L.i ...... M adras and Southern M ahratta R a ilw a y — Figures of mortality due to starvation and See “ ------” under “ R ailw ay^)” . m associated diseases. 106*07. Introduction of rationing throughout India. Mahomed U sIian , H o n . Scar— 299-300. < , Expressions of regret in connection with the Representation of India at the proposed death q£ Mrs. Gandhi. 123. Conference of Dominion prime Ministers. Expressions of regret in connection with the 106. death of the Hon. M r.. Ramadas Pantulu. Telegrams sent to Up-country dealers from 409. Calcutta advising them not to buy food­ Expressions of regret in connection with the grains for Bengal. 164-65. * , death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat Khan Visit of Cultural Mission from Iran. 620. Tiwana. 516-17. Resolution re— General discussion of the General Budget. Appointment of an Indian as Director 286. General of Archaeology. 353, 356. Hindu Code Part II (Marriage) Bill— Future constitution of India on Federal Motion to refer to Joint Committee. 635. principles. 66-67. Indian Aircraft (Amendment) Bill— Industrial Conupission to review existing Motion to consider. 221-22, 223, 226, 227. industrial situation, eta 340. Motion to pass. 227r Permanent exchange value of the rupee. Indian Coconut Committee Bill— ; 455, 468. ‘ ‘ Motion to consider. 503, 500. Price control and requirements of agricul­ Indian Finance Bill— turists. 172-73. Motion to consider. 563, 568, 569. 575,. Rehabilitation of the economic, structure. 584-85, 586, 687, 589, 590. ' 186. Motion for election of three members to the Rights of citizenship for Indi&ns in fhft Standing C&nmittee for Roads. 1944-45. U. S. A. 474. ^ 219. Mails— Motion for election of members to the Question re transmission of ------by boat* Standing Committee for the Department across the Pudma River. 15. ' of Posts and Air. 21& Motion for election of two members to the Manure— Standing Committee for the Department of Question re recommendations of the Food- Information and Broadcasting. 113. g ain s Policy Committee in respect of —. Notice of motion for Adjournment r# supplies of foodstuffs to deficit areas. 16-17. M attrrttds— See “ Gunny” . Resolution re— $€€ “ SaLTPKTR*” . Appointment of an Indian as Director General of Archaeology. 349. Maxwell, H on, Sir Reginald— Employment of women in coal mines. *486. Congratulations to the ------on his G. (3. I. Future constitution of India on _ federal E. 2. principles. 66, 77. ~ Resolution re amendment*of the Defence o f Manufacture of broad gauge locomotives. "• India Rules. 70, 76, 815-92. 202. c McCallum, Mr . E. D.— Right of citizenship for Indians in the Question f t Mr. Frank Psrr, ------and Mr. U.S.A. 475. P. C. Young. 312-13. , Withdrawal of Regulations restricting Meat— ^ entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya. See “Vegetable ------”. 663. ' Menon, Hon. Sir R aicunni— M ahtha, H on. R ai B ahadur Sr i N arain— -Election of the ------to the Central Advisory • Election of the — to the Central Advisory Board of Education. 170. Council for Railways. 567. Expressions of regret in connection with the Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ death of the Hon. Mr. Ramadas Pantolo. mittee for the Department of Information 409. . and Broadcasting. 219. General discussion of the General Budge*. Hindu Code, Part II (Marriage) Bill— 279-80. # Motion to refer to Joint Committee. 631. General discussion of the Railway Budget. Indian Finance Bill-— 144-45. * ' Indian Coconut Committee Bill— _ Motion to consider. 531-34, 542, 568, 573, 590, 610. Motion. to

Motion re food situation. 394-97,. 402. 413, ------from His Excellency the Governor 418, 439, 444 , 445. General appointing days for the presenta­ Question re— tion and general discussion of the General Agricultural situation. 615-18. . Budget. 1-2. Assurances given to cultivators of food------from His Excellency the Governor grains. 359-61. General appointing days for the presenta­ Authority of Report published in Bombay tion and general discussion of the jtailway Chronicle regarding terms on which Mrr Budget. 1. Gandhi was prepared to recommend with------from His Excellency the Governor « drawal of the August Resolution. 159. General certifying the Indian Finance Bill, Call-up of Mr. Suresh Vaidya. 109, 109­ 1044. 516. r 10. s . ------from His Excellency the Governor Conscription of Indians in the United General directing that tne heads of ex­ Kingdom. 109. * penditure specified in Bub-sectiflh (3) of Diverting of land from short staple cotton section 67A of the Government of India * to food crop£ 359. . Act Bhall be open to discussion when the Employment of women in coal mines. 110, Budget is under consideration. 2. 155, 156. ------from His Excellency the Gov6mor Ganges water at Rishikesh. 451. General nominating the Panel of Chairmen. His Majesty’s Government’s policy of con­ 2. • scription. 109. ------from His Excellency the Governor Import of chemical fertilisers. 156. General recommending the Council of State Import -of fertilising plant. 156-57. to pass the Indian Finance Bill, 1944, as Import of foodgrains. 160-61. certified. 516. \ Imports of barlejr from Iraq. 210-11. M iddle E ast— \ Imports of coal. ' 361. See “I ndian M edical Service Officers”. Industrial mission for foreign countries. 8ee “I ndian R ed Cross Organization*'. 489. ' * See “I ndian Signal U nits”. Margin of profits allowed to textile mills. See “I ndian T roops”. 359. M ilitary E ngineering Services- - ^ Military motor vehicles. 297. Question re communal ratio in the ------. Mineral and chemical properties of the 319. ' river Ganges. 450-51. * Number of deaths in Calcutta due "to M ilitary H ospitals— famine. 159*60. See “British ------” . . Performance of Yagna or Havan in Delhi. M ilitary M otor V ehicles—■ 303. ^ Question me --• 297. Publication of debates of the Indian M ilitary P ersonnel— . Legislature. 619. Question re molestation of women by —— . Publication of forecasts of crops of food­ 318-19 / ^ grains. 61o. See “I ndian —— ” . s " , Publication of the forge Industrial Estab­ M ilitary U nits— lishments in India. 619. Question re. assistance given by ------in the Quantity of foodgrains *held by railways famine areas of Bengah 42-43. in Bengal. 161. M ills— Railwav travel by Defence Service Officers. Question re stocks of paper held by ------. 297-98, 298. 208-09. Rationing of barley in Bombay. 211, 211­ See “Steel R e-rolling ------”- 12. - See " T e x t i l e ------” . »' # Recommendations of the Foodgrains Policy Committee in respect of manure. 157. M iners— Responsibility for distribution of food­ See “Co a l ------” . - * grains in Calcutta. 162-63. . M inisterial Staff— # Revenue from taxes on income, etc. 161­ Question re allowances drawn by the ------62. " when on tour. 363. Sale of petrol in the black market. 157­ 59. M ission— Shortage of foodgrains in the EasH See “I n du strial------*\ Khandesh di?trict,.« 163-64. M olestation— , # Vegetable meat. 619. Question re ------of women by ihilitary per­ Question (supplementary) re— ^ sonnel. 318-19. t Appointment of successor to the Director M otilal, H on. Mr. G. S.— - Expressions of regret in connection with the General of Arch®ology. 99-100. death of the Hon. Mr. Ramadas Pantulu. Figures of mortality due' to starvation and associated diseases. 106-07. 409-10. . . Grant of compensatory allowance to tem­ Expressions of regj$t in connection with the. porary duftries at Simla. 365-66. 1 death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat Khan Imports of bicycles and other consumer Tiwana. 516-17. General discussion of the General Budget. goods. 46-47. Land brought unde* cultivation as a result 259-62/ 277, 281. t of the “ Grow More Food” campaign. Indian Companies (Amendment) Bill— 361-62. . Motion to consider. 220-21. 1 8 Undbx to* thb council or state debates

Payment by the U.S.A., etc., to Iran in M u slim O fficers— gold. 317-18. Question re number of officers employed in Purchase of a steam power plant from the the Supply Department in Delhi area, etc.* U. S. A. 315-16. and number of ------therein. 169. Sale of gold by the Reserve Bank of India. 313. « N Telegrams sent to Up-country dealers from National Call — Calcutta advising them not to buy food- Notice**of Motion for Adjournment re p r* grains for Bengal. 164-65. censorship order served on the Hindustan Treatment of Mrs. Gandhi. 511. Times and the ------. 17-18. Resolution rc— N ational S aving s— Appointment of an Indian as Director Question re progress o f ------drive. 447-48. General of Archwology. 354, 355-56. N a v y — Import of chemical fertilizers. 342-43, See “R oyal I ndian ------' 346, 347, 348-49. % * , . Industrial Commission to review existing N otes— industrial situation, etc. 340. Statement (laid on the table) re Commercial Manufacture of broad gauge locomotives. * Treaties and ------affecting India. 212-19. 200-02, 329-30. See “ C u r r e n c y ------”, Permanent exchange value of the rupee. N otice of M otion for A djournm ent re— 463-64, 465, Lathi charge by the police at Amritsar. 17. Price control and requirements of agricul­ Pre-censorship orde- served on the Hindustan turists. 177-79u 180. Times and the National Call. 17-18. Bights of citizenshia for Indians in the Supplies of foodstuffs to deficit areas. 16-17* U.S.A. 469-72, 479. _ M o tio n re— Food situation. 371-407, 411-45. United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation O ath of O ffice— Administration Agreement. 642-50, 686-95. Ayers, Hon. Mr. C. W. 511. Banerjee, Hon. Mr. Jt. N. 99. M otor C ars— Caroe, Hon. Sir Olaf. 447. Question re manufacture of ------and trucks. Greenfield. Hon. Mr. H. 99, 553. 43. ^ Hydari, Hon. Mr. M. S. A. 489, 661. M otor T yres— Pai, Hon. Mr. A. V. 1. Question re difficulty in obtaining —— and Pillai, Hon. Mr. N. R. 123 batteries. 619-20. Rezai Karim, Hon. Mr. A. Z. M. 1. M otor V ehicles— Roy, Hon. Sir Satyendra Nath. 205. Question re m ilitary ------. 297. Sheehy, Hon. Sir John. 613. \yilson, Hon. Sir Leonard. 1. M u ham m ad H u sa in , E on. H aji S yxd— O ffice of the D ire cto r G eneral, P osts a» * Election of the —■— to the Central Advisory Council for Railways. 567. - T elegraphs— Question re number of Superintendents i » Nomination of the ------as a member of the Committee on Petitions. 2. the ------. 303. ' Question re issue of coupons in lieu of small O fficers— change. 302-03. Information (laid on the table) re employ- . M uham mad H u ssain , H on. K h an B ahadur ment of ------of the Burma Superior Ser­ M ian A li B ak sh — vices. 21-25. Election of ------to the Standing Committee Question re number of ------employed in th» on Pilgrimage to the Hejaz. 219. Supply Department in Delhi area, etc.,- M ukherjee, H on. S ir S atya Ch aran— and number of Muslim officers therein. Election of the — — to the Central Commit­ 169*; tee of the Tuberculosis Association of See “ Bhitish ------”. India. (39. . See “Civ il ia n G azetted ------*\ Question re rationing of foodgrains in Bengal See “D efence Se r v i c e ------M. v for religious purposes. 625. See “I ncome-tax ------M uslims— * See “I ndian M edical Se r v ic e ------M. Question rv—' See “I n dian —■—” . • Date of Government Orders relating to ap­ See “M uslim ------pointment of ------. 49. . Grievances of ------. 625. O g jlv ie, Si r C harles— Number of Inspectors of Post Offices and Congratulation^ t o ------on his Knighthood; R.M.S. and Head Clerks of the Offices ■ 3. of Superintendents of Post Offices and O perating M ethods— - Dumber of posts held by ------, etc. 108. Question re examination by railway expert* Number of ------, etc., appointed on State o f the ------employed by Indian Kailway*. Railways. 169. 15, 102. Number of ------on the Dinapore Canton ment Executive Board. 169. 4 Ordnance D epots— Pbsts held in the Department of Industries Question re theft of stores from — . 652, and Civil Supplies and number of — 652-53, 653. appointed therein. 168. O udh C hief C o u r t, L u ck n ow — Resolution re increase of ------in the Central Question re raising o f the status of the — * Services. 668-84. 513. . INDEX TO THE OOUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES

P Expressions of regret in connection with* tne death of the Hon. Mr. Ramadas P addy— Pantulu. 410/ Question re damage to ------at railway General discussion of the General Budget. stations. 299. 251-53. P adshah Sahib B ahadub, H on. Saiyed General discussion of the Railway Budget. M ohamed— 124-27, 148, 152. ’ Central Excises and Salt Bill— .Indian Finance Bill— Motion to consider. li8-19. Motion' to consider. 528-31, 561. Election of the to the Standing Com­ Motion re food situation. 402-05, 413, 423. mittee on Emigration. 219. Resolution re— Election of the ------to the Standing Com- Appointment of an Indian as Director v mittee for the Food Department. 686. * General of Archaeology. 353, 354. _ General discussion of the Railway Budget. Manufacture of broad gauge locomotives* 135-38, 150. 322-23, 325; 326. Nomination of the ---- to the Panel of Price control and requirements of agri­ Chairmen. 2. * ' culturists. 174-75, 180. . Resolution re— ' Right of citizenship for Indians in'the Increase of Muslims in the Central Ser­ ' U.S.A. 476-77. vices. 678-80. P ay— Withdrawal of Regulations restricting Question re difference between the initial entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya. —— of a temporary duftry and a tem­ 661-62. - porary peon. 365. Pai, H on. Mb. A. V.— P ay and A llowances— Oath of Office. 1. Question re— P anel or Chairmen— Extent of revision of Beales of ------in the- Message from His Excellency the Governor British Army and Indian Army. 515-16. General nominating the ------. 2. ------, etc., admissible to Indian military; P antulu, H on. M b . R amadas— personnel. 515. s Expressions of regret in connection with the P ension (sj— death of the ------. 409-10. Question re— ' ' - > P aper— Increase in ------of retired Indian Civil; Question re— servants. 164. - Prodnction of ------~ and steps taken to ------earned by peons and duftries on re­ increase production. 208. tirement. m 362-63. Stocks of ------held by mills. . 208-09. ^ P bon(s)— Weight of ------manufactured. 104. Question re— - . . See **W a ste ------Difference between the initial pay of *> P arker, H on. M b . R. H.— ‘ temporary duftry and a temporary — . Election of the — to the Standing Com­ 365. mittee for Road*; 1944-45. 245. Pension earned by*------and duftries oir Expressions of regret ;n connection with the retirement. 362-63. death of Malik Sir Umar fiayat Khan P etitions, Committee on— Tiwana. 516-17. * Constitution of the ------. 2. General discussion of the General Budget. P etrol— • 252, 276-77, 278-79, 281. Question re— * General .discussion of the Railway Budget. Import of — and kerosene. 620. 133-34. Sale of ------in the black market. 157­ Indian Finance Bill— 59. Motion to consider. 543-45, 557. P illai, H on. Mr. N. R.— * Indian Ipcome-taJT’ (Amendment) Bill—- Indian Companies (Amendment) Bill— Motion to .consider. 641-42. Motion to consider. 220, 221. . Indian Merchant Shipping (Amendment) Motion to pass. 221. Bill— , Insurance (Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider. 451. Motion to consider. 227. Motion re {pod situation. 397-98. Motion to pass. 227. Question (supplementary) re grant of com­ Motion for election of three members to the- pensatory allowance to temporary duftries Standing Committee for the Department' at Simla. 365-66. of Cgmmerce. 500. Resolution Ye— Oath of Office. 123. Manufacture of broad gauge locomotives. 322. , Resolution re price control and requirements of agriculturists. 177. ^ . Rehabilitation of the economic structure. P ostmen— ~ 190:91. _ Question re clerical posts reserved for — P arr, Mb. F rank— „ etc. 108-09. Question re— , P ost Offices— — . 13-14. See “I nspectobs op ------M. „ ------, Mr. E. D. MoC&llum and Mr. P. C. See “Superintendents or ------". . Young. 312-13. • - P osts and A ir D epartment, Standing Com* P asspobts— mittee for thb— Question re refusal of ------, etc., to Indian Motion for election of members. 219. journalists. 99. Election of members. 245. P atbo, H on. S.ib A. P.— P osts and T elegraphs Offiobst— _ Election of the ------to the Defence Con­ Question re age limit for recruitment in the* sultative Committee. . 686 subordinate ranks of ------. 449. 10 INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF ’6TATE DEBATES

P ost-W ar— . If rice Control— ..... Question re Civil aviation in the ------, Resolution re ------and requirements of period. 9. agriculturists. 97, 170-84. . P ost-w ar M onetary P lans— P r io r , H on. M r . H . C.— Question re -. 44. Coal Mines Safety (Stowing) Amendment P resident, Hoto. the— Hill— Advice to members to avoid extraneous Motion to consider. 220. matters in discussing tbe Indian Finance Motion to pasB, 220. Bill. 517-18. Motion for election of members to th# Cantonment (Amendment) Bill— * Standing Committee for the Labour De­ Motion to consider. 305, 306, 308. partment. *504. Motion to pass. 308, 309, 310. Resolution re employment of women in ooal Central Excises and Salt Bill— mines. 483-86, 487. ~ Motion to consider. 115, 118, 119, ^21. P risoners of W ar— Question re treatment of by the Japa­ Congratulations to recipients of Honours. nese. 165. ' * 2-3. • See “I ndian ------” . Expressions of regret in connection with P rofits-— * the death of Khan ^Bahadur Ihtisham Question re— Hyder Chaudhury. 3. ' Margin of ------allowed to textile mill*- Bxi >ressions of regret in connection with the 359. death of the Hon. Mr. Ramadas Pantulu. Report of the Committee appointed to 400, 410. . . inquire into the ------made by the Gov- ' Expressions of regret iii connection with eminent of Bengal out of wheat pusr the death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat Khan chases. 166. Tiwana. 516-17. * * PR08ECUTZ0N— . .Expressions of regret in connection with Question re remarks of the Chief Justice tne death of Mrs. Gandhi. 123, 124. of the Calcutta High -Court regarding General discussion of the General Budget. ------for petty cases of bribery. 450. 245-46. 262, 264, 255, 266, 272, 285, 286, P rotective* Duties Continuation B ill— 290. See “ ------” under “Bill”. General discussion of the Railway Budget. Provincial Advisory Committees worn 124, 137, 138, 140, 153. Standard Cloth— Indian Aircraft (Amendment) Bill— Question re ------1 103. Motion to consider. 222, 223, 226, 227. P ublication1— Indian Coconut Committee Bill— ' Question re ------of reports submitted by Motion tp consider. 502, 503, 504, 505, Messrs. R. H. Hutchings and A. K. 506,507,509. b Chanda on evacuation of refugees from Indian Companies (Amendment) Bill— Burma. 369-70. Motion to consider 221. P.udma R iver— . • Indian Finance Bill— Question re transmission of mails by boat Motion to consider. 517-18, 519, 521, 523, across the ------. }5. 524, 526, 528, 531, 533, 542, 543, 544, 552, 553, *555, 556, 559, 561, 563, P unjab— 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 570, 571, See “I ncome-Tax Officers". 573, 574, 575, 576, 586, 587, 588, 589, Purchases — 500, 593, 598, 604, 611/612. Question re— Motion re food situation. 371, 378, 381, — of certain articles in India on 382, 38\ 384, 385, 387, 389, 394, 395. H.M.G.’s account. 654. 399, 402, 405, 40T7, 415, 421, 422, 437, U.S.A. ------, etc., on Government account. 439, 441, 445. , 651. Notice of Motion for Adjournment re— P yrethrum— Lathi charge by the police at ' Amritsar. Question re cultivation of ------. 490-91. 17. Pre-censorship order served on the Hindustan Times and the National Quakers— ’ Cdl. 17-18. ’ See “ British ------*\ Supplies of foodstuffs to deficit areas. Quarters— _ 16-17. . * Question re qub-letting of inferior staff Resolution re— . T j „ . ------. 494-95. Amendment of the Defence of India Role*. 69-70, 76, 79, 89, 96. •Quinine — Future constitution of India on Federal Question rk— principle*. 63, 58, 50, 66, 60.. _ ------production. 10-1 1 . - Manufacture of broad gauge locomotives. , 8upply of ------to Madras. 490. 386, 327, 328, 331. Permanent * exchange .wine of the rupee. R 464, 456, 457, 458, 463, 464, 465, 466, Railwat(s)— 468, 469. . . Bengal and Assam------' Price control and supply of requirements Information (laid on the table) re upper df agriculturists, i 97. ' . * class tickets issued and collected at JPBBpSES— v stations on the Mnrfehidabad-Ljdgo]* ■ S e e "G o v e r n m e n t o f I n t >i a ------”. " section of the ------. *21. INDEX TO THE COUNClL, OF STATE DEBATES 21

Question re— , R ailway Stations— _ Control and direction by Americans of Question re damage to .paddy a t ------. -299. traffic operations on certain section* R ailway T ravel— of the ------. 316. • , Question re ------by Defence Service Offi- Railway freight for ice on the_------. ‘ cers. 297-98, 298. 12. R ailway W agons— . Bengal and North Western ------Question re import of steel components To» Question re cashiers on the ------and the manufacture of ------. 314. 0 K. & K. R. 625. EaBt Indian ----- » R ailways, Central A dvisory Council fob— Motion for election of members. 371. Question re stock of coal held at Gaya, etc.*, by the ------. 315. Election of members. ,567. ^ Madras and Southern Mahratta ------Ram Saran Das, Hon. Rai Bahadur Lala— Question re termination of the contracts Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ of the M. and S.M.R. and S.I.R. 43. mittee for the Department of Commerce. Miscellaneous— - 639. ... Question re— Expressions of regret in connection with tha Operation of air lines by ------. 52-53. death of Malik Sir Umar Hayat Khan Quantity of foodgrains held by ------in Tiwana. 516-17. Bengal. 161. General discussion of the General Budget. Rohilkund and Kumaon ------‘ 28Qr£2. - ' Question re cashiers in the B. & N. W. Indian Finance Bill— R. and ------. 625. ' Motion to copsider. 534-35, 553. South Indian— Question re— Question re termination of the contracts Appointment of foreign'refugee doctors in ‘ * of the M. & S.M.R. a*d ------. 43. British Military Hospitals. 513. State-" - ■ ^ Extent of revision of scales of pay and Question re number of Muslims, etc., % allowances in the British Army and appointed on ------. 169. Indian Army. 515-16. S et “ Indian ------”. Gratuities drawn by British and Indian R ailway B o a rd — _ I.M.S. officers. 513*14. * Question re salary and allowance of Colonel Lighting of railway coaches. 514-15. J. A. Appleton, Adviser to the ------. 8-9. Number of British officers in the I.M .8. R ailw ay B r id g e — ' holding Emergency Commissions: 514. Question re construction of a ------over the Number of Indian officers in the Brahmaputra River. 207. I.A.M.C. 514. R ailw ay B udget— Pays and, allowances, etc., admissible to General discussion of the ------for 1944-45. Indian military personnel. 515. 124-53. Treatment of Miy. Gandhi. 5li. Message from His Excellency the Governor Resolution re right of citizenship for In­ General appointing days for the presen­ dians in the U.S.A. 478. tation and general discussion of the ------. R ationing— 1- Postponement of the date for the presenta­ Question re— • tion of the ------, 1944-45. 1. Introduction of ------throughout India. Presentation of th e------for 1944-45. 27, 32. 299-300. R ailway Clearing A ccounts Office, Delhi— ' ------of barley in Bombay. 211, 211-12. Question re sale of records of the ------. 5. ------of foodgrains in Bengal for religious 1 purposes. 625. H ail way Coaches— Question re lighting of ------. 514-15. ------of salt, etc., in Calcutta* 15. R ay Chaudhury, H on. Mr . K umarsankar— R ailway E ngines— Question re arrangements made to increase General discussion of the General Budget. 282-85. the nroduction of ------and wagons. 300­ Hindu Code Part II (Marriage) Bill— 301.------♦ Motion to refer to- Joint Committee. 636. E xperts— Railway Indian Finance Bill— Question re 'examination by ------of the . operating methods employed by Indian Motion to consider. 551-52. ' Railways. 15, 102. ' Motion re— - R ailway F ares— * Food situation. 392-93, 426. - Question re increase in ------. 15. United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation IRailway Freight— Administration Agreement. 647, 687. Question re ------for ice on the Bengal Question re— - Assam Railway. 12. Agency employed by Government for th#. purchase of foodgrains. 299. R ailway M ail Service— Appointment of Mr. K. F. Sobhafc, as Question re— . Number of Inspectors of Post Offices and Deputy Controller General, Civil Sup­ plies, Bengal. 15-16. ------and head clerks of the offices of Superintendents of Post Offices l\eld by Arrangements made to increase the pro­ Muslims, etc* 108. duction of railway engines and wagons. Reservation of posts of Superintendents ■ 300-01. - of Post Offices and ------foi^ Inspectors Basic prices of foodgrains in Bengal. 47 of Post Offices and ——% 108. Cashiers in the .B-. & N. W. R and See “Sorters” . • R. & K. R. 625. INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES

Control of cement. 302. R ecords— Control on machine tool manufacturers. Question re sale of ------of the Railway 13-* . Clearing Accounts Office, Delhi; 6. Damage te paddy at railway stations. Sea* “H istorical R ecords”. 299. R ecruiting— Dearth of X-ray plates. 48. Question re number of I.M.S. officers en. Discrimination against skips on the In- ployed on ------. 5. v dian register. 48. R ecruitment— * Examination by railway' experts of the v Question re— operating methods employed by Indian Agelimit for ------in the subordinate Railways. 15. ranks of Posts and Telegraphs offices. Import of consumer goods. 47-48. 449.. Import of foodgrains into Calcutta. 296. ------for the Indian Air Force and Royal Jmports of salt for Bengal. 300. Indian Navy. 11. Inadequacy of the coal quota fixed for ------of Civilian Gazetted Officers. 652. - t,he glass industry, 12-13. _ Increase in railway fares. 15. B ed Cross— * ^ See “I ndian ------”. • India’s war effort." 13. Introduction of rationing throughout R efugees— India. 299-300. Question re publication of reports submitted Lathi charge on -security prisoners in by Messrs. B. H. Hutchings and A. K. Berhampur Jail. 299. Chanda on evacuation of ------from Mr. Frank Parr. 13-14. Burma. 369-70. Object of rule 94A of the Defence of B egistration D epartment, D blhi— India Rules. 301. See “Sorters”. Purchase of jute by the Central Govern­ R egistration op F oreigners A ct, 1939— ment. 367-68. See “ ------” under “ A ct” . ^Quality of foodgrains supplied to Cal­ R egulations— cutta. 14-15. * Bailway freight for ice on the Bengal Resolution re withdrawal of ------restricting and Assam Bailway. 12. . entry of Indian immigrant# into Kenya* Rationing of salt, etc., in Calcutta. 15. 654-68. Rehabilitation of destitutes in Bengal. 16. R ehabilitation— Remarks of the Chief Justice of the Cal­ Question re --- of destitutes in Bengal. 16. • cutta High Court regarding prosecution for petty cases of bribery. 450. - R einstatement— ^ •Representation by the Federation of In­ Question re —— of Indian evaeueee i i dian Chambers on grievances of steel Burma. 12. te-rolling mills. 299. B elief— Requisitioning of* houses in Calcutta for Question re --- to civilian internees ir military nse. 366. ^ Japanese hands. 205. Safeguarding of Indian interests in R epatriation— , Burma. 48. Question re — of Indian prisoners oi Sale of unstamped cloth. 48-49. war. 43. 'Taxation in Indian States and its effect on transfer of industries from British R eports— India into Indian India. 302. Question re publication of ------submitted 'Terms of reference to the Committee ap­ . by Messrs. R. H. Hutchings and A. K. pointed to inquire into the Damodar Chanda on evacuation of refugees from floods. 49. ' Burma. 369-70. Traders thrown out of employment as a R epresentation— result of Government procurement ope^ Question re ------by the Federation of In­ rations in Bengal. 47. , dian Chainbers on grievances in steel Transmission of mails by boat across the' re-rolling mills. '299. Pudma Biver. 15. R equisition— * " “Resolution re— Question re — - 0f the building of titt Hindustan Insurance Co. 619. Futurft constitution of India on Federal R equisitioning— principles. 53-66, 67, 69. Question re ------of houses in Calcutta for Import of chemical furtilisers. 348. military use. 366. Manufacture Of broad gauge locomotives. R eserve B ank or I ndia— 199. Question re sale of gold by the ------. gift. Price control and requirements of agri­ Besolution— culturists. 177. See “A ugust ------”. Rehabilitation of the economic structure. B esolution re— 190, 194. Agriculturists. Price control and require* TU ctprocal A id— ments of ------. 97, 170-84. Central Services. Increase of Muslims in • Question re India’s ------to the U.S.A. 44, the - — . 668-84. 104. Coal mines. Employment of women in ■ — R econstruction Committee— . 480-87. Question re personnel and dates of meetings Constitution of India. Future —— on of the . 489 Federal principles. 53-69. INDEX TO, THE COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATB8

' Defence of India Rules. Amendment of Rice— the ------. 69-96. Question rc— Director General of Archaeology. Appoint­ Final forecast of area and yield of - ment of an Indian as ------. 349-58. etc. 49-51. Economic structure. Rehabilitation of the Offer by Japan to e x p o r t ------from ------. 184-95. *. Burma. 102. Import of chemical, fertilizers. 342-49. Prices of ------and wheat. 52- Indian. Appointment of an — r as Direc- R ifle Company Commanders— ' tor Geneyal of Archaeology. 349-58. Question re rank of ------, in active battalions Indian immigrants. Withdrawal of Regula­ of Indian Infantry. 298. tions restricting^ entry of ------into Kenya. R 1SHIKE8 H— 654-68...... See “Ganges”. Indians. Rights of citizenship for —— in the U.S.A. 469-80. R oad— Industrial Commission to review existing Question re ’ construction of a ------from industrial situation, etc. 332-42. • East Persia to India. 318. Locomotives. Manufacture of broad gauge R oads, Standing Committee for, 1944-4 5 ------. 195-202. 320-31. . Motion for election of members. 219. Muslims. Increase of ------in the Central Election of members. 245. Services. 668-84. R ohilkund and K umaon R ailway— Regulation*. Withdrawal of ------restrict­ See “ —-—” under “R ailway(s)m. ing entry of Indian immigrants into Kenya. 654-68. . R oyal Indian N ayy— Rupf! Permanent exchange value of the Question re recruitment for the Indian Air e— . 61-69. • Force a n d ------. 11, M^Snen. Employment of ------in coal R oy CnowpHURY, H on. Mb . 'Susii, K umar— y - W 480-87. Cantonment (Amendment) Bill— Information (laid on the table) rc gross Motion to consider. 307. annual ------received from import atid ^ Election of the ------to the Standing Com­ export duties. 304. . ' mittee for the Food Department. 686. • Question r c ------from taxes on income, General discussion of the General Budget. etc. 161-62. 285. - Revolution of 1905. The— Hindu Code Part II (Marriage) Bjll— Question rr. Lenin’s book------. 316-17. - • Motion to refer to Joint Committee. 633. fixzAi K arim, H9N. Mr. A. Z. M.— Indian Finance Bill— General discussion of the Railway Budget. Motion to consider. 586. 134-35. Motion re food situation. 393-94, 406 , 407. . Question (supplementary) rc— ’ ’ Indian Finance Bill— Motiob to consider. 528, 55?, 569, 5/3, Figures of mortality due to starvation 576, 587-89. and associated diseases. 106-07. 0 Quality of foodgrains supplied to Calcutta Motion re food situation. 378, 384-89, 393, 14-15. %> ' 394, 398, 402, 406, 414 , 415, 418, 430 31. Resolution re— Oath of Office. 1. Question rc grievances of Muslims. 625. Appointment of an Indian as Director Question (supplementary) rc— General of Archaeology. 355. Price control and requirements of agricul­ Figures of mortality due tcf ^starvation turists. 179. and associated diseases. 106-07. v Lighting of railway coaches, 514-15. R oy, H on. Sir Satyendra N ath__ Number of -deaths in Calcutta due to Motion re ^food situation. 386, 387, 428-31 famine. 159-60. Oath of Office. 205. Publication of reports submitted by Resolution re manufacture of broad *auffs Messrs. R. H. Hutchings and A. K. locomotives. .324-27, 328, 329.. . Chanda on evacuation of refugees from Rules^- _ Burma. 369-70., Sec “Defenoe of India ____ ” - Representation of India at the proposed See “L e a v e ------” . * , Conference of Dominion - Prime Minis­ Ruling— ters. 106. . Adjournment, Motion fo r-, Responsibility for distribution of food­ grains in Calcutta. 162-63. ... cannot he moved with reference* . to any action Oken under rules framed # Slaughter of cattle. 167-68. * Telegrams sent to Up-country dealers 1718F Defcnce of India Act. 17, from Calcutta advising them not to buy foodgrains for Bengal. 164-65. Resolution— 4 , Treatment of prisoner* of war by the V f “ „memibe1r *° inform ‘ he House Japanese. 165. that he will not be present to more his Jtasolntion re— * , amounts to discourtesy. 40C), Future constitution of IriUisi on Federal Rupee— * principles. 68-69. ' * RwJution ^permanent exchange r»lue 0f Permanent exchange value of the rupee. “ 456-57, 462, 468. Rupee Disbursements— Right of citizenship for Indians iu ^he Questiorf-re terms on which the U.S.A., rte. U.S.A. 479. . are making payments f o t . ------. 317. 24 INDEX TO THE COUNCIL OF BTA1>£ DEBATES

S Withdrawal of . Regulations restricting entry of Indian immigrants into Kenva Salary and A llowance**— 654 , 655-68, 665-66, 667. * Question re — of Colonel J. A. Appleton. Scabies— ' Adviser to the Railway Board. 8-9. Question rc— * . Salb— * . « Outbreak of - — in Madias. 491 Spread and treatment-of, ------4 9 l.flo Question rc— Scholars— ' ' ------„of petrol in-the blacl^ market 157-58. Question rc arrangements for - L - to study ------of records of the Railway Clearing historical records jiud antiquities at the. Accounts Office; Delhi. 5. Imperial Record Department und the * of standard cloth in Delhi. 103 ten^ral Maseuiu, New Delhi 653 ‘ ------of unstamped cloth. 48^49. School— ‘ ' Sali'— ' ' See. “Anti-submarine------” Seac— Question re— ' Question re cost of printing ------^ . ’ Impoits of — for Bengal* 300.­ 3 9 Rationing of — , etc., in Calcutta. 15. SECURITY PaiSONKRS— Saltpetre-— Qpwij"u.<29sf‘ Aarge ------; in Berhi"fl Question re appointment of a European firm as agents I5r the purchase of gunny and Skn, Hon. M e. B. R — ’ — for Mauritius. 205-06’. t e 111* , ! * ------on -hi. c. I.E. .3 S apru, H on—M r . P. N.— SM.wl eiectl0n of five number., to . the Cantonment (Amendment) Bill ------of Food® M T m,ttee f° r the DeK«rtment Motion to consider. 304-064 Motion tp pass. 308-10. - M4 ^ 4 ,4 1 5 691. * - , Sec “Standard C loth ------”. Question (supplementary) re— , Signal U nits— " Appointment of Mr. Young as Coal Com­ See “ Indian — missioner. 511-J.2. - Simla— Arrangements made to _ increase the pro­ See “D uftries” . . duction of railway eugines and wagons. .Sinha, H on. K umar N irendiia N arayan — 300-01. • Election of the ------to the Standing Com* „ Lighting of railway coaches. 514.-15. mittee for the Department of Supply. 534. Number , of deaths, in Calcutta due to . Indian Finance Bill — famine..159-60. . Motion to consider. 535-36. Responsibility for distribution of food Motion re food situation. 389-90. ' grains in Calcutta. 162-63. . " Slaughter— - Taxation in Indian States and its effect on Question re— . . • transfer' of . industries from British ------of cattle. 167-68. , - India unto Indian India. 302. ' ------of cattle in Bengal for military purpibt Resolution re—f ses. 319. _ b Employment of woM£n in coal mines. ^80- Sobhan , Mr. K. F.— 83, 464, 486-87.' . , Question re appointment o f------as Deputy Increase of Musjims in the Central Scr- Controller General, Ci^il Supplies, Bengal .vices. 669. ' 15-16. Manufacture of broad gauge locomotives. Sobha Sinqh, 'H on. Sardar B ahadur— 202. . ^ . Cantonment (Amendment) Bill ------Permanent exchange value of the rupee. , Motion to consider. 306. . * 455-56, 465. . . ' • Election of the — to the Central Advisory Price control and requirements of agricul­ Council for Railways. 567. turists. 17577. * . General discussion of the General Budget. Rehabilitation of the economic structure. 257-58. • \ 188-90, 194. « ' Hindu Code Part II (Marriage) Bill—7 , Rights. of citizenship for Indians in the Motion to refer to Joint Committee. 4 U.S.A. 474-76. - ' 633. . -J ______^______L_ INDEX TO THE OF STATE DEBATES . 25

Jd dian Finance Bill— - Standing Committee on P ilcjumaok to m Motjon to consider. 545-47. H ejaz— ' • Motion rc food situation, 399-401. . Motion for election of members. 124. Resolution re increase of Muslims in the Election of members. 219. r Central Services. 671-73. - . . Starvation— < S orters— • Question ft figures of mortality due to - Question 1 re— . and associated diseases. -106 07. Distribution of work' between- senior ----- Statement— . and junior ------in the Delhi R.M.S. “T - by His Excellency the Commancler-in- 496. ' . •Chief on the general situation in the ' Duties performed by ------in the Regis­ , Central Sector of the Burma Front. 487-88. . tration Department, Delhi. 496. ^ Statement (laid on the table) re—' Payment of leave salary to ------slat TonedAmendments to the Ajmer-Merwara Motor at Delhi. 495-96. - Vehicles Rules, 1940. 110 13. Performance of extra duties 1 >y ----- . 496. Amendments to the Britirfli 'Baluchistan Postiugs of — to running sections and Motor Vehicles Rules, 1940. 18 19- mail offices. 495. ' • Amendments to the Delhi Motor Vehicles ' Transfer of ----- at a month’s notice on Rules, 1§40. 19.' ‘ , , th* Frontier Mail. 495. Central Excise Rules, 1944, framed under the South I ndian R ailway— Central Excises and Salt Act,. 1944, 245. See “ ------” under “R ailway(s)’\ * Commercial Treaties and Notes affecting' Srivastava, H on. Sir Jwala P rasad— . India. 212-19. ' . Motion re food situation. 425, 427, ?38-45. Declarations of* Exemption under section 6 Standard Cloth— * of the Registration of Foreigners Act, Question re— - 1939. 26-27, 626-27: % ' ' Receipts and sales ~of ------. 207. Further amendments to the Insurance Rules, ’ Sale of ------in D6lhi. 103. 1939. 496 97 Standard Cloth, P rovincial A dvisor* Com­ .Statement of Business— mittees for— " *’ ------by. the Honourable the Leader of the Question re ——% 103. House. 97* 121, 203, 296, 509-10, 637, . 650. ' Standard C loth Shops— * Question" re number of —— , etc., in pro State R ailways— vinces. 103: Set “------” under R ailw Ay (s)". Steam P ower P lant— Standing Committee for Ci-vil D efence Question re purchase ‘ of a ------from B ranch of t h e 'D efence D epartment— U.S.A. 315-16. Motion for election of members. 245. Nomination of members, 304. Steel Components— ' . Election of members. 320. Question re import gt — for the mai„; facture of railway wagonb. 314. Standing Committee for Hoads, 1944-45— Motion for election of members. 219. Steel R e-rolling Mills— ' ESectioii of 'member*. 245. Question re representation by the Federa stion of Indian Chambers on grievances in Standing Committee for 'the D epartment of ------. .299. . Commerce— ' Motion for election of members. 500. Stores— . Nomination of members. 628. Questions re theft of — — from Ordtmnce- Election of members. 639. Depots. 652, 652-53, 653. . Subletting— Standing Committee for thk .Department of Question re ------of inferior staff quarters. Food-- Motion for election of members. . 501. ' 494-95. ‘ Nomination of members.-628. S cgar P rices—. Election of members. 686, Question rc -. 102, 103. Stand; ng Committee foii the Depa-rxment of S ikthankar, H on. Mr. Y. N.-*- I nformation and Broadcasting— Mofion re tftiited Nations Relief an«i Motion for election of. members. 113. Rehabilitation * Administration Agreement. . Nomination of members. 170. - 642-44, 645. - Election of members. 219. Oatli of Office.’ "613. Standing Committee for the D epartment of : Protective Duties Continuation BUI— Labour— ' * Motion to consider. 684*85 ^ Motion for election. of members. 304 . Motion to pass. 685. Election of members. 371. Standing Committee for the D epartment of Sulphur—- • t * P osts and Air— - ’ * Information ’ (laid on the table) re steps Motion for election- of members. 2^9. . taken to find sources of ------. 497 500. Election of members. 1 245. x . Superintendents— ’ ' Standing Committee- for the DEr\rmncNT of Question rc number of - — iq tlie Office of Supply— thft Director General, Posts and Tele­ ; Motion for election of members. 500. graphs. 303. ' . Election of members. 534. - ^ Superintendents of P ost Offices and Standing Committee on E migration— R.M.S.— Motion for election of members. 124, Question, xe re&eTvation of posts of — for Election of members. 219. Inspectors of Post Offices and R.M.S. 108 ■______L 26 1KDBX TO THE OOWNCIL OF STATE DEBATKfl

Supply and D efence Services— T&OOPB— Question re expenditure incurred on ------. ' Question rc supply of foodgrains to ------of 101- 02. the United Nations in India. 311. Supply D epartment— T rucks— Information (laid on the table) r c ------. Question re manufacture of motor cars and 625 26. . ------. 43. Information (laid on the tabic) r c ------, 25 9 Tuberculosis Association ok India. Central. 26. . Committee of the— Supply D epartment— Motion for election of member. 500. Question re— Nomination of members. 628. „ Number of officers employed in the ------. Election of member. 639. in Delhi area, etc., and number of Muslim officers therein. 169. u ------. 613-14, 614-15, 615. Supply D epartment, Standing Committee for U mar H ayat K han T ir a n a , M alik Sir - Expressions of regret in connection with T H I— „ * Motion for election of members. 500. the death of ------. 516-17. - Election of members. 534. United K ingdom— See “Conscription”. United N attons— T ' Question re— Taxation— * Investigation of war crimes by a Coid - Question re ------in .Indian States and its mission of the ------. 9. effect on transfer of iitfustries from Supply of foodgrains to troops of the ------British India into Indian India/ 302. in India. 311. T axb8 on I ncome— U nited N ations Relief and R ehabilitation Question re revenue from ------, etc. 161­ A dministration— , 62. Question re— T ea Control ' (Second A mendment) B ill— ^ . Participation of the U.S.A in ------. 613 See “ Indian ------** under “R ill” . 1 ------. 9-10. 41-42, 44, 317, 512, 654fc TELEGRAM6— : U nited N ations R elief and R ehabhlitatiok Question re ------sent to4 up-country dealers A dministration A greement— from Calcutta advising them not to buy Motion re ------. 642-50. 686 95. foodgrains for Bengal. 164-65. U.S.A.— . T enders— See “A ir R oute”. Question rc — for collecting waste paper See “Gold”. . ' from Government of India presses. 651. See ‘I ndians”. See “I ndian Settlers”. T erms or R eference— * . Question re ------to thb Committee ap­ See “L ocomotives”. pointed to inquire into the Damodar See “R eciprocal A id ”. floods. 49. * ^ ' See “R upee Disbursements” team ower lant T extile M ills— - ~ ' N See “S P P '’. Question rf— See “ TVwie”. " Margin of profits allowed to ------. 359. Bee “U nited N ations Relief / nd R ehabi­ Production of ------. 311. • litation dpADMiNisTRATiON” . T heft— U niversities— Question re ------of stores from Ordnance See “A merican ------**. Depots. 652, 652-53, 653. T icket*— . V ^Information (laid on the table) re upper Vaidya, M r . Suresh— class -— issued and collected at stations Question rc— on the Murshidabad-Lalgola Section of Call-up of ------. 109, 109-10. the B. k A. R. 21. Detention o f------. 205. Time,— * V egetable M eat— - Question re simultaneous publication of the Question r e '------. 619. magazine ------in India and the U.S.A. V eg stables— . , Question re prices of green ------in Madras. T our- 491. Question re— Viceroy, 'His E xcellency the— Allowances dr Awn bv inferior servants Address by ------to the members of the when on ------. 363-64. ' Central Legislature. 33-39. ' Allowances drawn by the ministerial Victoria M emorial (A mendment) B ill— staff when on ------. 363. See under “3 ill,\ T raders— Question re —— thrown out of employ­ w ment as a result of Government procure­ W agons— ’ ment operations in Bengal. 47. Question re— T ransfer of P roperty (A mendment) B ii.t.— Arrangements made to increase the---pro­ See “------M under “B ill”. duction of railway engines and ------* T rial— * . 300-01. . Question re ------of Mr. Gandhi and other Number of ------loaded with foodgrains. „ Congress leaders. 166-67. 52. INDEX TO THB COUNCIL OF STATB DEBATE! 27

War Crimes— 4ir route from the U.S.A. to India. 11. Question re investigation of ------by a Com- Anti-submarine school. 318. miMion of the United Nationi. 9. Application of the Atlantic Charter to W a r S it u a t io n — India. 11. Question re —;—. 6-8. Appointment of an Indian agent to the W aste P a pe r— # Government of Burma. 513. Question re tenders for collecting------from Appointment of Mr. Young as Coal Com Government of India Presses. 661. missioner. 511-12. W elfa re— Appointment of successor to the Director Question rc lack of assistance on the part General of Archeology. 99-100. , of European women in the task of orga­ Assistance given by military units in th* nising ------of the fighting forces. 1 1 -12. famine areas of Bengal. 42-43. W es t C oast— Civil aviation in the post-war period. 9. See “ C o a l” Construction of a road from East Persia W heat— to India. 318. Question re— Cost of printing the Seac. 319. Imports of ------into Calcutta. 49. Creation of the post of Director of Tel#* N umber of ships sunk with ------. 49. graphs, Bihar and OrisBa Circle. 318. Offer of ------by Canada. 9. Degrees and diplomas issued by American Prices of rice and ------, 52. ^ Universities in India. 45-46. Report of the Committee appointed to Detention of Mr. Suresh Vaidya. 205. inquire into the profits made by the Disabilities, etc., affecting Indians in the Government of Bengal out of ------pur­ U.S.A. 311-12. chases. 166. Employment of women in coal mines. W h ea t P r o d u c t s — 104-p6, 107-08, 110. Question re report of inquiry into ------in Examination by railway experts of the Bengal. 52. operating methods employed by Indian W il s o n , H o n . S m L eo n a rd — Railways. 102. General discussion of the Railway Budget. Expenditure incurred on Defence and 141. Supply Services. 101-02. - Oath of Office. 1. Extension of jurisdiction of the Federal Presentation of the Railway Budget, 1944­ Court. 99. 45. 27-32. Figures of mortality due to starvation W ir e l e s s S etts— and associated diseases. 106-07. Question re imports of ------. 103-04. General elections of the Central Legisla­ ture. 450. W o m e n — Question re— Imports of bicycles and other consumer goods. 46-47. Employment of ------in coal mints. 104­ 06, 107-08, 110, 155, 156. Increase in pensions of retired Indian Molestation of ------by military person­ Civil servants. 164. nel. 318-19. India’s reciprocal aid to the U.S.A. 44. Resolution rf employment of ------in ooal Investigation of war crimes by a Com­ mines. 480-87. mission of the United Nations. 9. Japanese treatment of Indian prisoners 8 ee “E uropean ------M. of war and civilian internees. 312. Lack of assistance on the part of Euro­ X pean women in the task of organising welfare of the fighting forces. 11 -12. X- r a y P lates— Lenin’s book The Revolution of 1905. Question re dearth of ------. 48. 316-17. Manufacture of motor cars an

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