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DÁIL ÉIREANN AN COMHCHOISTE UM GHNÓTHAÍ AN AONTAIS EORPAIGH JOINT COMMITTEE ON EUROPEAN UNION AFFAIRS Déardaoin, 9 Samhain 2017 Thursday, 9 November 2017 Tháinig an Comhchoiste le chéile ag 2 p.m. The Joint Committee met at 2 p.m. Comhaltaí a bhí i láthair /Members present: Teachtaí Dála /Deputies Seanadóirí /Senators Colm Brophy, Gerard P. Craughwell, Seán Haughey, Neale Richmond. Mattie McGrath. Seanadóir /Senator Terry Leyden sa Chathaoir /in the Chair. 1 JEUA Key Developments on European Agenda: Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Helen McEntee Vice Chairman: Before I invite the Minister of State to make her opening statement, I welcome Ms Valérie Gomez-Bassac, members of the French Embassy in Ireland and their in- terpreter and colleagues to the Houses. They are very welcome to this Joint Committee on European Union Affairs meeting, and I wish their visit to Ireland every success. I am delighted they have an opportunity to meet our Minister of State with responsibility for European affairs, Deputy Helen McEntee. I have received apologies from the Chairman, Deputy Michael Healy-Rae, for whom I am deputising today. I remind members and witnesses about their phones. I will set an example and turn mine off. On behalf of all the members of the committee, I very much welcome the Minister of State with responsibility for European affairs, Deputy Helen McEntee, and her officials from the Department back to the Joint Committee on European Union Affairs. Since taking up her role, the Minister of State has been very busy between Council meetings and engagements in other member states, certainly a very strong start to her Ministry. On behalf of the members, I thank her for the invitation to the launch of the Government’s programme of engagements on the future of Europe. As she knows, this committee has undertaken in a very detailed way its own work in this regard, which will continue, but we are interested in seeing this discussion broad- ened to include as many citizens as possible. That is exactly what our colleague from France is doing. It is part of our task in Ireland to see where the French can go in this regard. I am sure all members of the committee will be interested in the work the Minister of State has been doing on her plans for the future of Europe debate on recent and future developments in the General Affairs Council and the European Council and her impressions of how the Brexit negotiations are going. Before we begin with the Minister of State’s opening statement, I must remind everyone of the rules of privilege in this Parliament. Members are reminded of the long-standing par- liamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. By virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by abso- lute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. If they are directed by the commit- tee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to qualified privilege. However, this does not apply because the Minister of State has full privilege as a Member of the House, so I do not need to continue reading the no- tice. I now ask the Minister of State to make her opening statement. Again, I personally wel- come her here and congratulate her on the work she is doing. I know she has made a very big impression throughout the European countries. I think she has visited most of the 28 member states. I know she continues to meet her colleague Ministers throughout Europe. She is in a most crucial position in the Brexit discussions and negotiations, so we look forward to hearing her statement. Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (Deputy Helen 2 9 November 2017 McEntee): I thank the Vice Chairman and Senator. I have not quite made it to all the member states yet but I hope to achieve that sooner rather than later. I thank the committee for the in- vitation to be before it again. I welcome Ms Gomez-Bassac and her team from France as well. We look forward to engaging with them while they are in Ireland. With the Vice Chairman’s permission, I will probably speak for about 15 minutes, which is perhaps a little longer than normal, but normally we outline past work, whereas I wish to outline what we are planning on doing in the future as well, particularly regarding the future of Europe debate. I am very pleased to be back before the committee. This is the second time I have had the pleasure of engaging with the committee since I was appointed Minister of State with respon- sibility for European affairs in June. I look forward to updating the committee on some of the key developments within my area of responsibility and answering any questions members of the committee might have. With the Vice Chairman’s agreement, I will take about 15 minutes to cover the specific areas of the future of Europe and October’s European Council and then give the committee a summary of the General Affairs Councils in September and October along with developments in the ever-discussed Brexit. I am happy to take questions afterwards. Next week the Taoiseach and I, together with the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, will formally launch the Citizens’ Dialogue on the Future of Europe at the Science Gallery in Trinity College Dublin. This will mark the formal start of a process designed to engage the Irish public directly in a debate on the kind of Europe it wants to see evolve. Our aim is to raise awareness of the issues involved, to encourage participation in the debate and to use this en- gagement process to formulate Ireland’s contribution to the wider European debate. Before I go any further, I wish to acknowledge the committee’s own work in this regard and the leadership role the committee has shown in launching its own public consultation process on the future of Europe. I know the committee has already heard from a number of interest groups, including the National Youth Council of Ireland, Macra na Feirme, IBEC and European Movement Ire- land. I know too that the French ambassador to Ireland made a presentation to the committee, and I would be very interested to know in due course what the committee’s findings are in this regard. As the debate on Europe’s future post-Brexit gains momentum, it is extremely important that Ireland’s position is informed and supported by the views and interests of our citizens. The Government’s starting point is to focus on the needs of our own people. This includes a focus on jobs and growth, opportunities for our young people, completion of the Single Market and the key role of the EU in meeting many of the key challenges that will face us, including cli- mate change and violent extremism. Later this month, the Taoiseach will represent Ireland at the EU social summit in Sweden and I will attend with him. It will be an opportunity to ensure there is a social dimension to the wider future of Europe debate. To date, the debate on the fu- ture of Europe has been informed by inputs from a variety of sources. In March, the European Commission published a White Paper and followed it up with a series of reflection papers on important policy areas including globalisation, EU finances and defence. These papers are for the most part cross-cutting in nature and are being examined across a number of Departments. At last month’s European Council, President Donald Tusk formally launched his leaders’ agenda. What he is proposing is an ambitious work programme for the next two years. His in- tention is to maintain unity among the 27 member states by facilitating a more dynamic process, restoring ownership to the European Council and seeking to find pragmatic ways forward. He is proposing that future discussions be around a set of decision papers on issues on which there has been no agreement as yet. The increased tempo would see discussions at scheduled meet- 3 JEUA ings of the European Council as well as a number of additional informal summits. President Tusk’s approach should ensure an inclusive approach, building on the Bratislava process and ensuring the initiative is not left to others to set the agenda. We strongly support President Tusk’s positive forward-looking agenda, focused on some of the key challenges facing European, including Irish, citizens. We are cautious about any element of the agenda that focusses on institutional change, for example a eurozone budget or eurozone parliament, and would not support reform that required treaty change. As EU members of 44 years standing we have amassed considerable knowledge and ex- perience and it is only right that we should share our insights and assessments throughout the process. If any members have questions on the launch next week and what will be entailed in it, I am happy to answer. I will now turn to last month’s European Council meeting, which I attended with the Taoise- ach. The main agenda items were migration, security and defence, digital Europe and external relations with a focus on Turkey. The Taoiseach made a comprehensive statement to the Dáil so I do not propose to go into them in great detail now but I will touch on a few of the key issues I addressed.