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Homeland Security Hearings Committee On S. HRG. 107–410 HOMELAND SECURITY HEARINGS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION SPECIAL HEARINGS APRIL 10, 2002—WASHINGTON, DC APRIL 11, 2002—WASHINGTON, DC Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 78–707 PDF WASHINGTON : 2002 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402–0001 COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia, Chairman DANIEL K. INOUYE, Hawaii TED STEVENS, Alaska ERNEST F. HOLLINGS, South Carolina THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania TOM HARKIN, Iowa PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico BARBARA A. MIKULSKI, Maryland CHRISTOPHER S. BOND, Missouri HARRY REID, Nevada MITCH MCCONNELL, Kentucky HERB KOHL, Wisconsin CONRAD BURNS, Montana PATTY MURRAY, Washington RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama BYRON L. DORGAN, North Dakota JUDD GREGG, New Hampshire DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois BEN NIGHTHORSE CAMPBELL, Colorado TIM JOHNSON, South Dakota LARRY CRAIG, Idaho MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON, Texas JACK REED, Rhode Island MIKE DEWINE, Ohio TERRY SAUVAIN, Staff Director CHARLES KIEFFER, Deputy Staff Director STEVEN J. CORTESE, Minority Staff Director LISA SUTHERLAND, Minority Deputy Staff Director (II) CONTENTS WEDNESDAY, APRIL 10, 2002 Page Opening statement of Chairman Robert C. Byrd .................................................. 1 Statement of Senator Ted Stevens ......................................................................... 4 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 5 Prepared statement of Senator Christopher S. Bond ........................................... 6 Prepared statement of Senator Tim Johnson ........................................................ 7 Statement of Senator Patty Murray ...................................................................... 8 Statement of Hon. Gary Locke, Governor, State of Washington ......................... 9 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 11 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 15 Statement of Hon. John Engler, Governor, State of Michigan ............................ 16 Joint prepared statement of Governor John Engler, Governor Roy E. Barnes, and Governor Gary Locke .................................................................................... 19 Biographical sketch of Governor Roy E. Barnes ................................................... 24 Biographical sketch of Governor John Engler ....................................................... 24 Statement of Hon. Roy Barnes, Governor, State of Georgia ................................ 25 Statement of Dr. Ashton Carter, Ford Foundation Professor of Science and International Affairs, Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University .. 28 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 42 Statement of Stephen Gale, Associate Professor, Political Science Department, University of Pennsylvania ................................................................................. 42 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 47 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 51 Questioning by: Chairman Robert C. Byrd ................................................................................ 51 Senator Ted Stevens ......................................................................................... 55 Senator Patty Murray ...................................................................................... 57 Senator Byron L. Dorgan ................................................................................. 60 Senator Herb Kohl ............................................................................................ 62 Statement of Senator Robert F. Bennett ............................................................... 66 Questioning by: Senator Richard J. Durbin ............................................................................... 68 Senator Jack Reed ............................................................................................ 71 Statement of Senator Barbara A. Mikulski ........................................................... 78 Statement of Hon. Martin O’Malley, Mayor of Baltimore, Maryland; and Co-Chair, Federal-Local Law Enforcement Task Force, U.S. Conference of Mayors ................................................................................................................... 79 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 82 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 85 Statement of Hon. Michael Guido, Mayor of Dearborn, Michigan; and Co- Chair, Working Group on Homeland Security, National League of Cities ..... 88 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 91 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 93 Statement of Hon. Javier Gonzales, Commissioner, Santa Fe County, New Mexico; and President, National Association of Counties ................................ 103 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 106 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 110 Questioning by: Chairman Robert C. Byrd ................................................................................ 116 Senator Ted Stevens ......................................................................................... 118 Senator Barbara A. Mikulski .......................................................................... 121 Senator Pete V. Domenici ................................................................................ 123 Senator Mary L. Landrieu ............................................................................... 126 (III) IV Page Questioning by—Continued Senator Byron L. Dorgan ................................................................................. 129 Senator Daniel K. Inouye ................................................................................ 133 Chairman Robert C. Byrd ................................................................................ 134 THURSDAY, APRIL 11, 2002 Opening statement of Chairman Robert C. Byrd .................................................. 139 Statement of Senator Ted Stevens ......................................................................... 140 Statement of Thomas Von Essen, former New York City Fire Commissioner, representing the International Association of Fire Chiefs ............................... 141 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 143 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 146 Statement of Mike Crouse, Chief of Staff to the General President, Inter- national Association of Fire Fighters ................................................................. 146 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 148 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 152 Statement of Philip Stittleburg, Chairman, National Volunteer Fire Council, and volunteer fire chief, LaFarge, Wisconsin .................................................... 152 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 153 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 156 Statement of Colonel Lonnie Westphal, Chief, Colorado State Patrol, rep- resenting the International Association of Chiefs of Police .............................. 156 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 159 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 162 Statement of General Richard Alexander, Director, National Guard Associa- tion ........................................................................................................................ 163 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 166 Biographical sketch .......................................................................................... 175 Statement of Gary Cox, Director, Tulsa, Oklahoma, City-County Health De- partment, representing the National Association of County and City Health Officials ................................................................................................................. 176 Prepared
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