Ken Baird - 460 Squadron Raaf
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ORAL HISTORY RECORDING TITLE: KEN BAIRD - 460 SQUADRON RAAF INTERVIEWEE: KEN BAIRD INTERVIEWER: LAURIE FIELD SUMMARY: RECOLLECTIONS OF EVENTS AND PERSONALITIES DURING SERVICE IN BRITAIN DURING WORLD WAR II. DATE RECORDED: RECORDING LOCATION: ACCESSION NUMBER: S01262 TRANSCRIBER: C L SOAMES TRANSCRIPTION DATE: FEBRUARY 2000 START OF TAPE ONE - SIDE A Well, starting from university, or ...? Oh, well - born where? - educated where? I was born here in Ballarat, my father was a solicitor here. In this same company? Er, yes - it was Baird & Baird then. He started it in 1899, and he died still practising at the age of 87 in 1957. That's remarkable. And what was his name? Robert Baird. And I went to school at Ballarat College here until my leaving year when I went down to Scotts - as a boarder at Scotts - I was for two years. And from there I went to Melbourne University as a resident of Norman College, and did the law course. The war was approaching pretty rapidly then. Yes, that's right, yes, I didn't finish until 1938 - and came back here and came in to the office - I had my degree, but I hadn't qualified, I hadn't done my year of articles and passed one or two subjects that you've got to get. The war broke out and I didn't get the remaining subjects that I was supposed to get to actually be admitted to the bar, and I joined the air force from here in 1940. We'll skip to the end of the war now. Alright. When you were demobbed, what did you do? I came back here and came back in to the office. I started in January '46 - got back in about November '45 and started in the office in the beginning of '46. Then, when I'd qualified, went in to partnership with my father. It was still Baird & Baird then, was it? Yes, yes. And this is where you've been ever since? Yes, yes, that's right. And when did you marry? I married two years later in 1948 - April '48 - a Ballarat girl. Somebody you knew before the war? No, I knew her brother before the war, but I didn't meet Joy until I came back here. Have you had any family? Yes, we've got two children, a daughter and a son - [Elen] is married to a dentist and lives in Melbourne, has three sons - and Andrew, who's younger - and is in the office here. Is he? As a solicitor, yes. Fair enough - that's good. Now, why did you join air crew? Ha! Well, I always say I was interested, I suppose, I'd never flown, but the air force recruiting office was a closer to my office than the army one was (laughs). That's a good one. And you never had any qualms about going for air crew? That was your thing? That's what I wanted to do. I had the vaguest ideas about it - they said, 'What would you like to do?' - I said, 'Oh, air gunner or something like that' - they said, 'You've got a law degree, haven't you?', and I said, 'Yes'. They said, 'Oh, we'll make you a pilot' - I said, 'Really' (laughs). So you say you went in with quite an open mind, you wanted to be somebody who flew? That's right, yes. That's unusual, with your qualifications you must have been a [sitter] for a pilot. (Laughs) ... well ... Which they thought so. ... I didn't have the easiest of things going through, I was a bit slow as a learner, but, you know, I was alright in the long run. What ITS course were you? At Bradfield Park. What number? Five. Five? Yeah - 5PD. What month was that, do you recall what month it was? Um ... Would be 1940, of course, wouldn't it? No, it was '41. We had a long wait on the waiting list before we got in. It must have been about August - August '40 I suppose it would have been, wouldn't it? It would be because xxx - [Argus] 21 Course in October '41. Yes, well, that's right - well, that's right. It would be about August 1940, yes. And you said 5PD - what's PD stand for? Er ... I haven't come across the letters before. ... It doesn't matter, you were 5 Course at ITS. Yeah, 5 Course ... we were xxx ... 2PD - I don't know - we were divided into five groups and I was in the second one, I remember. And from there [FDS]? ITS at ... EFTS at Narrandera, which I started in November '40. And SFTS? In Canada at McCloud in Alberta. And what were you flying there? [Ansens] Ansens, fair enough, right. So across to the old Bournemouth, no doubt. That's right, yes. And through the usual run - what, I suppose, AFU, ATU? No, we went straight to OTU. Didn't do an ATU? No, straight to OTU, first [shore] Worcestershire. They were pretty brief courses, you know. You did the searches and [bumps] by day and a couple of cross-countries by night - perhaps one solo. And you did your circuits and [bumps] at night, and one or two cross-countries, and after a few hours you were posted to a squadron (laughs). That would be the Wellington Squadron, of course. Wellington Squadron, yes - this is a Wellington OTU, yes. What was the process of your getting a crew together? Did you pick them, or did they all ...? No. Having done our conversion we were posted to another flight - Pershore - where we were crewed up and - there was some delay as far as I was concerned. No, I didn't choose any, I didn't ... Whether some people had a choice or not, I don't know, but I didn't. At that time I don't think there was a choice. Later on, when we went through, they sort of all threw you together and you got together. Sorted each other out, yes. But that wasn't the case with you apparently. No. Well, I had a Canadian navigator and the rest RAF sergeants. Any incidents in your training that you particularly recall? Any close squeaks, any humorous things, that highlighted your training? Ah, well, I suppose there were, but I can't readily recall them. Overshadowed by later events, no doubt. Yes. I remember we got lost over the Welsh hills one night - we had a [screen] pilot with us - and we went backwards and forwards because we couldn't get a QDE from Pershore. Eventually we were getting very low on petrol and we got a signal from a coastal - it might have been [fire command] - at Portreath in Cornwall, we got down there just as dawn was breaking (laughs). No [gee] in those days. No, no. It was just a radio, and apparently the radios weren't all that reliable either. No. They went US very easily. Yes. I don't know why it was we couldn't pick up our own station - we were certainly over the Welsh hills - but we eventually got this one in Cornwall. And you'd been running short of gas? Yes, getting a bit short, yes. What squadron were you posted to? 40 Squadron, based at Witon, the satellite at Alconbury. That's W-I-T-T-O-N, isn't it? W-I-T-T - I think it is - W-I-T-T-O-N. I think that's it. Yes, in Worcestershire. So you did a tour? Well, started the tour with 40th at Alconbury. What group was that then? Ah ... 3, I think - and we'd done five trips over Germany - I was second pilot, of course - when the squadron was posted to Malta. And we went down to - after a few days' delay - you know, various preparations - we went down to ... (Incidental conversation) Sorry about this, my memory is fading a bit with age - Witon, yes, W-I-T-O-N. Operations - Hamstead-Norris - from there we were supposed to go to Malta via Gibraltar, but we had to take our ground staff with us and, I suppose, a good deal of other baggage and so on. And the first few got off one night, and then about the 4th or 5th one didn't make it and hit the hedge, went into the ground and killed everybody. So you were actually carrying your ground crew with you? Yes, yes - or some of them anyway. So from there they sent us down to Portreath, also in Cornwall, because it was on the edge of a cliff and it was easier to get off from (laughs). And from there we had a reasonably uneventful trip out to Gibraltar, and then the next day on to Malta. And did you operate from Malta? We operated from Malta, yes. Against what? North Africa? North Africa, and Sicily and Italy - one trip to Greece. This would have been in to '42, or not? Yes - yes, we spent Christmas '41 in Malta - we were there for four months - and we did lots of trips, but most of them were short. One unpleasant occasion we did two on one night, which I didn't enjoy at all. We came home and went to bed, and about an hour or two later we had to get up again (laughs) to go off again. And were you bombing troop concentrations, storage depots - what? Yes, that sort of thing - not so much troop concentrations, but aerodromes, shipping in the Mediterranean once.