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Vol. 719 Thursday No. 11 10 June 2010 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDER OF BUSINESS Questions Sudan: Human Rights Children: Criminal Responsibility Children: Vulnerable Children Afghanistan: Child Asylum Seekers City of Westminster Bill [HL] Canterbury City Council Bill Leeds City Council Bill Nottingham City Council Bill Reading Borough Council Bill Revival Motions Academies Bill [HL] Order of Consideration Motion Pensions: Automatic Enrolment Debate Zimbabwe Debate Written Statements Written Answers For column numbers see back page £3·50 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. The bound volumes also will be sent to those Peers who similarly notify their wish to receive them. No proofs of Daily Reports are provided. 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THE INDEX to each Bound Volume of House of Commons Debates is published separately at £9·00 and can be supplied to standing order. WEEKLY INFORMATION BULLETIN, compiled by the House of Commons, gives details of past and forthcoming business, the work of Committees and general information on legislation, etc. Single copies: £1·50. Annual subscription: £53·50. All prices are inclusive of postage. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2010, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ 737 Sudan: Human Rights[10 JUNE 2010] Sudan: Human Rights 738 Nile and Unity provinces. It tells me that there is a House of Lords marked lack of international organisation presence on Thursday, 10 June 2010. the ground and a real danger that there will be conflict arising from boundary demarcation disputes since the 11 am CPA is mapping the area from the air without discussing with local communities their views on the border. Will Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Newcastle. the Minister look into this? To what extent is he happy with the lack of engagement by the international The Lord Bishop of Gloucester took the oath. community in the process leading up to the referendum? Sudan: Human Rights Lord Howell of Guildford: The noble Lord makes a Question very good point, which I will certainly feed into our thinking. As to international involvement in helping 11.07 am with the process leading up to the referendum and Asked By Lord Chidgey thereafter in managing its results, much more clearly is needed. We are doing our bit. We are increasing our To ask Her Majesty’s Government what is their staff in Juba, for instance. Our eye is very much on the response to reports of human rights abuses by state ball about this, but we want others to work as well. We organisations in the run-up to the recent elections want to encourage UNMIS to get more involved and in Sudan. we have several other proposals for increasing our input. No one should for a moment assume that there The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth will not be a very difficult situation, whichever way the Office (Lord Howell of Guildford): My Lords, the referendum goes. Of course, there are wide forecasts United Kingdom is deeply concerned about human that it will go in favour of some kind of autonomy. rights abuses committed in the run-up to and during the elections in Sudan. This period saw reports of violations of political rights and freedoms, including Lord Avebury: My Lords, first, regarding UNMIS, harassment, intimidation, arbitrary arrest, detention does the Minister think that additional troops will be and alleged torture. There have been worrying signs of necessary to safeguard the referendum process, bearing a further crackdown by the authorities since the elections, in mind the violence that occurred in the recent elections? including the recent arrest of an opposition politician. Secondly, does he think that satisfactory voting We continue to urge the Government of Sudan to arrangements were in place for the disputed border address these concerns. areas in the recent elections? If not, what additional measures would he recommend should be taken before Lord Chidgey: I am very grateful to the noble Lord the referendum? for that reply. Perhaps I may add to his comments the fact that recent laws passed in Sudan allow Sudanese Lord Howell of Guildford: On the noble Lord’s security forces to arrest people and hold them for second question, I am afraid that there do appear to 45 days without review and with immunity from any have been abuses in those and many other areas, and charge for abuses which might take place during that these matters will need to be monitored and safeguarded time. As he mentioned, there has been the arrest of a very carefully—more so than in the past. On the senior opposition leader, Hassan al-Turabi, on rather question of additional troops, by which I assume he spurious charges, together with the arrest of a leading means reinforcements for UNMIS, that is a difficult editor from the Rai al-Shaab newspaper, Mr Abuzerr matter at the moment. We want some means by which Ali al-Amin. Will he assure the House that the the weak Government of Southern Sudan can somehow Government will take every measure that they can in be strengthened in order to prepare for the enormous the international call for the reform of these repressive strains that lie ahead either way, whether the referendum laws in Sudan and for holding to account those responsible goes for separation or not. Either way seems to point for the charges of torture? to more violence, danger and abuses. Lord Howell of Guildford: My Lords, I can only endorse the grim catalogue that my noble friend outlines. The Lord Bishop of Gloucester: My Lords, given It is absolutely so. We will continue to use all pressures that the Governments of both north and south Sudan we can and to urge the Government of the Sudan back have little control of the country outside the few to a better path in their human rights performance. conurbations, and that the only organisations with an The outlook is not good and there are obviously many effective network across the whole of Sudan are the major concerns ahead in dealing not only—as we all Roman Catholic and Episcopal churches, what plans know—with the continuing horrors of Darfur, but might Her Majesty’s Government have to encourage with the potential instabilities arising from the forthcoming both Sudanese Governments to link with the churches referendum in the south. We continue to want the in order to build stability and peace prior to the comprehensive peace agreement to work; that must be referendum? our main focus. Lord Howell of Guildford: I am grateful to the right Lord Anderson of Swansea: My Lords, Concordis, reverend Prelate. In all our urgings and advice, we take the Christian reconciliation organisation of which I account of those important factors and will continue am a patron, has just run two workshops in Upper to do so. 739 Sudan: Human Rights[LORDS] Children: Criminal Responsibility 740 Lord Lawson of Blaby: My Lords, may I recommend responsibility than we do and the United Nations is to my noble friend, who I am delighted to see has calling for it to be raised. Will the Minister kindly taken this very important post in the Government—it consider a package of measures: raising the age to 14; is well deserved—a recently published book called not holding trials of children in open adult courts; not War Games by a distinguished Dutch woman journalist questioning child witnesses in court; not using custodial who is extremely experienced in this area? She sentences; and, of course, in this age of cuts, concentrating demonstrates how many if not most humanitarian on preventing children getting into the criminal system NGOs operating in this area are actually assisting in in the first place? the repression and the inhuman activities that are taking place, without intending to. He may like to read Lord McNally: My Lords, having had less than a it if he has time. month’s experience, I pay due deference to the experience of the noble Baroness. Whatever age group we pick Lord Howell of Guildford: I thank my noble friend will be arbitrary. I have looked at the international for his kind remarks and for his advice on my reading comparisons, which range from six to 17. I will obviously list. I will do my best. A number of insightful and take back to the department the recommendations she valuable studies have been made into the effects—some makes for due consideration. However, I was very good and some bad—of the various activities and impressed by the mixture of processes introduced by intentions both of the non-governmental organisations, the previous Administration which makes it a rare which are full of dedicated people, and indeed even of occurrence for very young children to be before a Governments, who sometimes, in thinking that their court.