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OFFICIAL RECORD of PROCEEDINGS Friday, 29 May LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 12129 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Friday, 29 May 2015 The Council continued to meet at Nine o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, B.B.S., M.H. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P., Ph.D., R.N. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. 12130 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE RONNY TONG KA-WAH, S.C. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S. THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 12131 THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KENNETH CHAN KA-LOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. THE HONOURABLE TANG KA-PIU, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. 12132 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN DR THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 12133 PUBLIC OFFICER ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE GREGORY SO KAM-LEUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MISS ODELIA LEUNG HING-YEE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 12134 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 MOTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Good morning, Members. Council will continue to consider the proposed resolution under section 54A of the Interpretation and General Clauses Ordinance moved by the Secretary for Commerce and Economic Development. Mr Albert CHAN, please continue with your speech. PROPOSED RESOLUTION UNDER SECTION 54A OF THE INTERPRETATION AND GENERAL CLAUSES ORDINANCE Continuation of debate on motion which was moved on 28 May 2015 MR ALBERT CHAN (in Cantonese): Good morning, President. Some Members are still in bed. Please summon them back to the Chamber. They cannot always be lazy bones. PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will the Clerk please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr Albert CHAN, please continue with your speech. MR ALBERT CHAN (in Cantonese): President, I believe many Members present in the Chamber do not know what we are debating now. Let me remind them. Basically, we are discussing the problems that will arise if the old motion is repealed. President, why do I oppose the repealing of the old motion? One of the reasons is that if we can retain the old motion, the authorities will only be able to revise the 2014-2015 Budget, and they will have no power to revise the LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 12135 2015-2016 Budget. Even if the Government's funding application for the establishment of an Innovation and Technology Bureau is approved afterwards, it cannot become a new item in the 2015-2016 Budget. This is a legal technicality. Therefore, if we can successfully block the repealing of the old motion, it will be basically impossible for the Government to apply for funding to establish an Innovation and Technology Bureau. Of course, it would be best for the Government itself to withdraw the motion. Last time, I said the "Secretary for Name Cards" had so far failed to clearly explain why a new bureau must be established under his leadership. Is it because he is incapable? "Long Hair" even described him as shameless. But I will not say so. President, earlier, a renowned and eminent figure in the high-tech industry of Hong Kong invited me to a meal, trying to persuade me to support the establishment of an Innovation and Technology Bureau and explain the importance to me. I told him that I did not object to the establishment of the proposed bureau in principle, but one basic condition must be met ― research must dovetail with production. In the past, the Government wastefully spent $5 billion on a number of innovation and technology research projects, one example being the award-winning project undertaken by a home-grown youngster through the Science Park. Mr CHAN Chi-chuen has also mentioned this project, and it is about quantifying the mercury content in water. President, although this research is of proven help to the testing of water quality, the Hong Kong Government has not adopted it, thus wasting money and efforts. I do not know how many more researches the Government has wasted. Some time ago, The Hong Kong Polytechnic University also did some successful researches, including researches on electric cars. But in the end, all was sold for a song to American companies. The key point is that research must dovetail with production. The friend I have mentioned once sat on a high-level advisory body on technology of the Hong Kong Government, and was the chairman of a charitable organization in the community. He is quite well-known. I told him that if research did not dovetail with production, the only result would be a transfer of benefits. Tertiary institutions on good terms with the Government may get lots of research funding, but at the end of the day, the research projects will not be of any help to Hong Kong's overall development, nor can they improve the livelihood of people and our economy. Fanny LAW said that even the conduct 12136 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 29 May 2015 of pure research will require the employment of many people. In that case, why don't we merge research with production? Let us look at the research on drugs as an example. President, do you know how expensive targeted therapy drugs are? The dosage for one month will cost $10,000 to $20,000. Why doesn't Hong Kong do some serious research in this area, so as to benefit Hong Kong people and even the poor masses in the world? Why can't our research have any direct linkage with our living, people's interests and the economy? Why are we so stupid? Why can't we formulate such policies? President, if our policy is to merge research and production, I will surely support the establishment of an Innovation and Technology Bureau. But this is not the case now. The Government says that it is difficult to find land. If there is no land, it can ask the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to release land. The PLA has close to 2 000 hectares of land, which is big enough for building four towns like Tin Shui Wai. Alternatively, the land occupied by the golf course can be vacated, or it can ask LEUNG Chun-ying to give up his Fanling villa. How can they say that there is no land? Why do they have land to build a back garden in the North East New Territories for tycoons and also a shopping city? Which should be more important? The well-being of Hong Kong people? Attending to the Mainland tycoons? Enabling the People's Republic of China to fulfil its political mission of governing Hong Kong? Therefore, we must know very clearly the real purpose of establishing a bureau.
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