THE SECOND MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 10 MARCH 2021

MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 201 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

Names Constituency

RULING PARTY ( Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. Tonota Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. Shoshong OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. (Opposition Whip) Ghanzi South Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP. Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North Hon. M. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 10TH MARCH, 2021

CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1-9

STATEMENT COVID-19 Vaccine...... 10-11

GOVERNMENT BILLS Value Added Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No. 3 of 2021) First Reading...... 12

APPROPRIATION (2021/2022) BILL, 2021 (NO. 2 OF 2021) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 1800 – Ministry of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services...... 12-37

Organisation 2300 - Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing Development...... 38-41 Wednesday 10th March, 2021 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Wednesday 10th March, 2021 (ii) how many are classified as scarce skill;

THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (iii) how much the Government pays as Scarce Skill Allowance per month; and (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) (iv) if, in light of the huge Government wage bill and P R A Y E R S the growing number of unemployed graduates, * * * * he has not considered a review of the Scarce Skill Allowance so that only well-deserving QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER scarce skills are incentivised; if so, to provide the timelines. TOBACCO LEVY MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL MR M. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to update this ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Mma Honourable House on the number and names of Non- ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente Governmental Organisations (NGOs) that have been rraetsho. funded from the Tobacco Levy to carry out intervention programmes to help people deal with tobacco related (i) Mr Speaker, the number of graduates registered addictions; if none, why and if any, to state: in the Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM) database as at 11th November 2020 (i) amounts disbursed and purpose; when it was transferred to the Labour Market (ii) when the funds were disbursed; and Observatory housed at the Human Resource Development Council (HRDC), stood at 49 372. (iii) whether the Ministry is satisfied with the level of utilisation of the levy funds to achieve the intended (ii) Scarce skills in the public service is determined health outcomes. after analysing several factors associated with a public service position, therefore an academic MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable qualification on its own does not constitute scarcity Minister of Health and Wellness. nor does it determine eligibility to the scarce skill allowance. In that regard, the Unemployed HONOURABLE MEMBER: O rata to dodge kana. Graduate Database reflects registered graduates MR SPEAKER: Honourable Lelatisitswe! Araba and their qualifications which upon recruitment potso. into the public service may be a scarce skill or not depending on where that particular officer has …Silence… been deployed.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND (iii) Government pays on average P80 million per WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Mr Speaker, month as scarce skills allowance. For example, for question 1 ya ga Honourable Reatile e tshwana fela le the month of December 2020, Government paid ya maabane, we are still preparing the answer for it, it Eighty-one Million, Five Hundred and Ninety- Seven Thousand, Four Hundred and Ninety-Three needs a bit of time so re kopa later date. Thank you Mr Pula, Forty-Seven Thebe (P81 597 493.47). Speaker. (iv) Mr Speaker, the Attraction and Retention Policy Later Date. for the public service provides for a skills audit SCARCE SKILL ALLOWANCE to determine areas of greatest need, based on submissions by Accounting Officers, for MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister consideration by Government. for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public (v) The skills audit will provide the basis for a review Administration to apprise this Honourable House on of the scarce skills allowance. This can be done scarce skill; in particular stating: under conducive circumstances after consultation (i) the number of graduates who are registered on the with the relevant stakeholders. I thank you Mr graduate database; Speaker.

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MR RAMOGAPI: Ke a go leboga Honourable Minister, growing number of unemployed graduates, he has not ke a go leboga Mr Speaker. Ke botsa Mr Speaker gore, considered a review of the scarce skill allowance,” a a fa le lebeletse palo ya bana ba ba feditseng sekole ba ga o ise o tsene mo seemong sa gore o sekaseke? Kana le 49 372 le fa e ka tswa e se bone botlhe ba ba nang mme ke yone potso e ke e boditseng fa Mokwena, e o ka le scarce skill mme mo teng go nale scarce skill, tota bong o ntlela ka yone gore, mme ga ke eletse to review potso kana yone ya re a mme o tlaa sekaseka to review kana I will review. yone phologolo e gotweng scarce skill, if you will review it, when are you expecting to review it? Kana ke yone MR MORWAENG: Ee, but fa ke e araba eo ka Sekgoa Mr Speaker, kana ke ne ke re, “the attraction potso ya konokono e e leng gore gone fa ga o tswele and retention policy for the public service provides kwa ntle o le clear gore a o tlaa sekaseka scarce skill for a skills audit to determine areas of greatest need, allowance, re lebeletse gone gore e bo e re bana ba ntse based on submissions by Accounting Officers for ba fatlhoga ba nna bantsi, fa ke fa sekai in different consideration by Government. The skills audit will areas go nale ba law le ba accounts ba e leng gore ba provide the basis for a review,” sone se o se buang go mo seterateng. Jaanong ke sone se ke botsang potso e sekaseka. “The skills audit will provide the basis for a Honourable Minister gore a mme mo lenaneong la gago review of the scarce skills allowance, this can be done o nale go ikaelela to review sone scarce skill se ka gore under conducive circumstances, after consultation with mananeo otlhe a a sekasekiwa mme fa e le e yone e, ga the relevant stakeholders.” Kante ga o a utlwa Sekgoa se re utlwe gore gatwe la re le e sekaseka leng. Ke a leboga sentle molekane? Mr Speaker. MR RAMOGAPI: Potso ya re, “provide the timelines,” MR MORWAENG: Ee, gone ke a utlwa motlotlegi ka timelines go tewa gore o akanya gore o ka dira tiro eo fa o buang ka teng. Tota mme kana ke nale tumelo ya leng? “Provide the timelines,” ke potso e e kwa tlase foo gore letshwenyego la ga motlotlegi, le nna le rona rotlhe morena. ba re mo Ntlong e, ke letlhoko la ditiro, kante ke gore MR MORWAENG: Kana ke gone mo ke go buang, bana ba rona ba bone ditiro. Ke tsaya gore kgangkgolo ke gore dilo tse dingwe, through you Mr Speaker, tota ke yone eo, mme ka fa go ntseng ka teng keletso ke Motlotlegi Rre Ramogapi ga go bonolo fela gore o fiwe gore diphatlha fa di le teng tsa mmereko, bana ba rona timelines, mme re a itlama gore re mo thulaganyong e ba kgone go ka hirwa. Se re dirang rona re tswelela re e tsweletseng le the Accounting Officers, re bona gore supa gore bana ba re fe information re nne le information letlhoko le fa kae. Mme fa re sena to review tsone dilo ka bana botlhe ba ba farologanyeng go sa kgathalesege tse re ya go bona gore letlhoko le fa kae, go ka tweng. gore ke ba dithuto dife. Tota maikaelelo e le gore bone Ga re ka ke ra re after so many days or months, ke tiro e ba ba ka tswang senka bana kana ba batla go ka bona e tsweletseng. Ke gore ka bokhutshwane ke tiro ya rona badiredi, go nne bonolo gore re bone bana, ba kgone e e tsweletseng letsatsi le letsatsi, it is an ongoing thing. gore ba tle go tsewa mo go rona. So ka tsela eo tota ke Ke tiro ya rona ya metlha le metlha Rre Ramogapi. tsaya gore letshwenyego le le tona ke la ditiro gore bana TEXTILE/APPARELS AND PARAPHERNALIA ba rona ba bone diphatlha fa ba ka di bonang teng. COMPANIES

Fa di seyo at the moment, kana Rre Ramogapi ke go nna MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE re tswelela re leka fela gore fa diphatlha di bulegang teng WEST): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and bana ba nne ba kgone go tsenngwa teng. Tota se se tona Industry to state the number and names of textile/ ke tsaya gore ke letlhoko, e seng tse dintsintsi. Se se tona apparels and paraphernalia companies operating in ke gore bana ba bone fa ba ka tsenyang matsogo teng. Selebi Phikwe; the Minister should further update this Ke tsaya gore ke lone letshwenyego la gago le le tona. Honourable House on: Letshwenyego la gago ga ke dumele gore ke scarce skill, (i) the number and names that are benefiting from the ke gore bana ba bone diphatlha tsa go tsenya matsogo ba 30% off-take incentive and to explain; dire, ba direle lefatshe la bone. (ii) the number and names that are benefiting from tax MR RAMOGAPI: Procedure Mr Speaker... incentives and to explain these; (Inaudible)…o gana go araba. Kana roman figure four ya re… mma ke bue ka puo ya Sekgoa gore a nkutlwe, (iii) what the Minister is doing to ensure that the “if in light of the huge Government wage bill and the incentives are reaching companies; and

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(iv) the number of people that are employed and the • Touchmelt (Pty)Ltd - paint manufacturing number that can be potentially employed if all incentives are fully implemented • Wild Marula Oil (Pty)Ltd - for producing marula oil

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND (i) Mr Speaker, the companies that are benefiting INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Thank you. Mr Speaker, from the 30 per cent off-take incentives, three are I request that I summarise this five page long answer. in the textile, some of those I have already listed, and two others are Better Services and Bulb World. Mr Speaker, a total of 19 companies are currently operational in Selebi Phikwe. Out of these 15 companies Mr Speaker, between Financial Years 2019 and are citizen-owned, one joint venture and three are 2020/2021 these companies supplied different foreign-owned. Four of these companies are in the Government institutions such as Botswana Police textile and apparels sector while the 15 are producing Services, Botswana Defence Force, North West District different products. Council, Chobe District, Masunga, Bobonong, North West, Francistown Town Council, The Honourable Member is asking for names and I will Council and Central District Council with protective rush through quickly. clothing, uniform, LED bulbs and electrical components, In the Textile is; estimated at a value of P6.5 million. Mr Speaker, I will also share this information with Honourable Member. • Dinesh (Pty) Ltd (ii) Mr Speaker, 15 of these companies are enjoying • FIL-AM Textiles (Pty) Ltd tax incentives. The tax incentives offer 5 per cent corporate tax for the first five years and thereafter • Nitaz Collection (Pty) Ltd and the corporate tax will be 10 per cent, and these companies are: • Other Options Investments (Pty) Ltd • ABCO Ltd Other Companies producing other products is; • Almaz (Pty)Ltd • Allegiant (Pty) Ltd - for water and bottled water • Angle View (Pty)Ltd • Angle View (Pty) Ltd - cleaning chemicals • Asante (Pty)Ltd • Better Service Group (Pty) Ltd - stationary • Better Service • Bulb World (Pty) Ltd – bulbs, LED bulbs • FIL-AM (Pty) Ltd • Cliffin (Pty) Ltd - Morula cosmetic oil • Elolam (Pty) Ltd • Elolam Manufacturing (Pty) Ltd - transformers, mini substations, switch gears and meters • Kohita Investment

• Kalahari Shade Nets (Pty) Ltd - shade nets and • (NaPro) packaging solutions for horticulture • Nitaz (Pty) Ltd

• Kohita Investments - milling and packaging • Oxygen Gas (Pty) Ltd

• National Agro Processing Plant (NaPro) - for agro • Perfect Projects (Pty) Ltd processing • Pula Dynes (Pty) Ltd • Perfect Projects (Pty) Ltd - for sanitary ware products manufacturing • QS Building (Pty)Ltd and

• QS Building (Pty)Ltd - fiberglass products • Selebi-Phikwe Citrus Project.

• Citrus Project – for citrus products (iii) Mr Speaker, the ministry continues to discuss challenges of lack of support for companies in • TM AND M2 (Pty) Ltd - concrete products the SPEDU region including Selebi Phikwe with

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procuring entities across Government. This has these companies tse o setseng o di badile off-take e e resulted in amendments of some of the bidding leng gore…palo ya dithoto tse Goromente a di rekang documents that were not very supportive of local mo dikomponeng tse ke bokae? E ka tswa e le gore the procurement in the past, and facilitation of the minimum ke 30 per cent, but Goromente o reka less than companies from our side as the ministry for these 30 per cent, o reka 5 per cent kana 60 per cent? companies to meet bidding requirements. MS SERAME: Mr Speaker, potso e motlotlegi a e (iv) Mr Speaker, since April 2017, which is the time botsang, ga ke a tshwara dipalo tsa yone gompieno when we started implementation of the SPEDU ka gore e mpatla gore ke boele kwa all the procuring revitalisation programme 2,294 jobs have been entities ba re bolelele the total procurement ya all these created in the region out of a target of 6,856 for the goods and furniture and compute gore mme tse ba neng three year period. The target was set in anticipation ba reka mo go tsa Phikwe fela di kae. Therefore, I do of full implementation of the incentives, among not have the percentage eo because I had not anticipated other prerequisites because in addition to the that question. incentives there are other facilitatory issues that Mr Speaker, potso e nngwe e ne e re a Allegiant e a have to be addressed. I thank you Mr Speaker. tswala. Motlotlegi, e ke ka tlhomamisa fela gore ke ne ke itse gore ke nngwe ya tse di dirang, mme ke tlaa ya MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Ke a leboga go e tlhotlhomisa ka gore I am not aware gore e a tswala. Tona. Potso ya ntlha ke gore, can you ascertain percentage ya off-take for companies tse o di buileng? Potso e nngwe e ne e tsamaelana le gore ke eng Can you ascertain the off-take, is it provided for in your dikompone tse ke di balang di se dintsi tsa tax incentives. answer? I know you were summarising the answer. Mr Speaker, ke buile number ya tsone and I think they are about five tsa tax incentives. Ke tlhalose gape gore Secondly, ke go botse gore, a o itse gore dingwe tsa kana tse ke di balang fa motlotlegi ke tsa Phikwe fela, dikompone tse o setseng o di buile, jaaka e e dirang whereas this incentive covers the whole SPEDU region metsi, they are collapsing, ka lebaka la gore ga ba because the question had asked me specifically me fiwe support? Fa o lebelela mo events tse dintsi tsa about Selebi Phikwe, ke bo ke ikganelela fela mo Selebi ga Goromente le mo diofising kwa Selebi Phikwe go Phikwe. rekiwa metsi a a tswang kwa ntle ga Selebi Phikwe, le a leng gore dikompone tsa teng ga se tsa Batswana. Mo e Gape ke tlhalose gore fa motho a neelwa the tax bileng e le gore yone kompone e ya metsi e gaufi le go incentives, go na tsamaiso nngwe e re tsamayang le ene tswala fa e le gore tota ga e ise e tswalwe. go fitlhelela fa motho a fiwa certificate. For example, re ya go dira assessment ya gore kompone eo e mo Se sengwe ke go botse gore, mo dikomponeng tse stage sefe sa go simolola; a e setse e le mo seemong o neng o di bua tse o reng di na le tax incentives, o sa gore e gaufi. Fa re sena go nna re dira jalo, re dira badile dikompone di se kae fela, mathata ke eng ka tse assessment report e bo e tla kwa lephateng e bo e ya o sa di balang, a go raya gore ga di ise di bone these kwa Ministry of Finance. Fa e tsena kwa Ministry of tax incentives? Fa e le gore ga di ise di bone these tax Finance, le bone ba bo ba boa ba dira assessment ya incentives mabaka e ka tswa e le eng? bone gore ba ikgotsofatse pele ga ba neela motho the tax incentive. Sekai Mr Speaker, dikompone tse dingwe tse Sa bofelo, a o a itse gore dingwe tsa dikompone tseo ke kileng ka di bua tse di santseng di le kgakalanyana babereki ba tsone ba setse ba dule mo tirong? Fa re bua to operate tsa bo Oxy-Gas tse di dira gases tsa medical, jaana ga ba theogele ka mabaka a gore di na le mathata a ga di ise di ye go goroga koo because di santse di le go ka duela babereki? Ke a leboga. kgakala mo process. Ke dingwe tse re sure gore fa re MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga ka setse re tsamaela kgakala mo process, ke dingwe tse di the supplementary questions. Ke tlhomamise gore the tlaa kgonang go bona the Tax Incentive Certificate.Ke a percentage ya teng ya off-take ya re 30 per cent, ke e e leboga Mr Speaker. teng mo karabong. VALUE OF REPRESENTATION Ya bobedi e e neng e bua ka ... MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the MR KEORAPETSE: Sorry, that is not the question, Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public the question ke gore, can you ascertain the percentage Administration to articulate the value of representation ya off-take? Gakere the minimum is 30 per cent, gore as a cornerstone of democracy; more specifically:

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(i) what benefits will accrue to Botswana if young contribution to development. people are brought into decision making for the key challenges our society is facing; Mr Speaker, on what lessons that could be drawn from countries with a high member of MPs below the age of (ii) how Botswana can leverage on the vision, 35 years, it would help if the MP was more specific. The commitment and fresh ideas of young Members question is just too general and cannot yield a focused of Parliament (MPs) to guide us on how to make response. policies that respond efficiently not only to today’s needs but also to those of future generations; Mr Speaker, on the idea of implementing an election quota for people below the age of 35 years, let me assure (iii) what lessons can be learnt from countries that have the Honourable Member that the country is about to a high number of MPs below the age of 35; and embark on a comprehensive Constitutional review, and Batswana would have an opportunity to debate these (iv) if it is not opportune for Botswana to implement possibilities. Honourable Member, please be reminded an elections quota for young people below the age that the case for an inclusive Parliament does not only of 35. speak to the youth, there are other groups such as MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL women and people living with disabilities that also merit AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC serious consideration. So, a comprehensive review of ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Thank the Constitution could ensure greater inclusivity and you very much again Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, there representation. I thank you Mr Speaker. is no doubt that representation is the cornerstone of MR LETSHOLO: Supplementary. Thank you Mr democracy. It is for this reason that the Constitution of Speaker. Just on the point that the Minister raised about Botswana provides for a National Assembly comprising this anomaly, he called it an ‘anomaly,’ where the youth of 57 Elected Members, ensuring that every constituency are not adequately represented. Specifically, what is is represented by a Member of Parliament (MP). At the Government doing to address that anomaly? local level, a similar arrangement is enhanced through Council representation. The political representatives are Secondly, he talks about Constitutional review that expected to articulate, debate and represent views from is upcoming. Is he in a position to confirm to us that their respective constituencies, including those from the amongst the others that he has mentioned, in particular, youth. he is considering specifying a quota for young people below the age of 12? I understand about the others but Mr Speaker, bringing youth into decision making has here I am focused only on the youth. Lastly Mr Speaker, long been realigned by Government to be beneficial. in terms of democracy and proper representation, what Where relevant avenues open up in leadership positions, does he think Batswana youth lack in themselves to be youth may be engaged. able to fully represent themselves and other Batswana Mr Speaker, the demographic profile of Botswana in decision making powers? He must also draw lessons indicate that the youth are a significant proportion of the from …(inaudible)… learnt even from internal party population of Botswana, and should be proportionately democracy. Thank you. represented in the decision making structures of society. MR MORWAENG: Thank you very much. Like I The majority of them are also educated and can infuse said, re ya go nna le Constitutional review which I fresh, innovative, and creative ideas in society. Yet, they strongly believe re le Batswana in general, re tlaabo re remain unemployment and not engaged in mainstream le mo seemong sa gore re re fa e le gore re bona gore development, this is an anomaly that Government seeks banana ba tshwanetse ba senkelwe tsela ya go emelwa to address. mo Palamenteng which can empower them, that can Mr Speaker, it is the intent of the transformation be catered for, especially jaaka fa o ne o bua ka kgang agenda and new strategic thrust that Government has quota. Ke ne ke supa gore ga se quota e e amang banana set for itself, based on the knowledge economy, the fela; e ka ama le batho ba bangwe jaaka banalebogole Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR) and Information and le bomme mme such, ke dilo tse di amanang le Communication Technology (ICT) that the youth will Molaomotheo. Fa o tsibogela kgang ya Molaomotheo, find a niche in the economy and make a meaningful e ke reng re mo thulaganyong ya gore re sekaseke

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Constitution ya lefatshe la rona, ke tsone dilo dingwe REGISTERED NURSES that will be catered for ke batho ba bona gore re dumela gore mo go ka re solegela molemo. It is not for us gore MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON re re go ya go nna jaana le jaana. Batho, rona le lona le SOUTH): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to ba bangwe, dikakanyo tsa mofuta o ke rona le lona re state the number: tlaa tshwanelwang ke gore re bone gore di ka akarediwa (i) of registered nurses employed in Government (accommodated) mo Molaongmotheo wa rona. hospitals and clinics;

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. (ii) allocated to Gaborone West and Julia Molefhe MR SPEAKER: The last supplementary Honourable Clinics respectively; and Keorapetse. (iii) required at Gaborone West Clinic to start a 24- MR KEORAPETSE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa hour operation. Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke botse gore mo (iii), o ne ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND botswa gore ke afe maele a o a boneng mo mafatsheng WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you Mr a mangwe fa o lebeletse palo ya banana e le mo Speaker. maemong. Ke go botse gore mafatsheng a mangwe a a nang le banana, bomme le banalebogole ba le dipalo (i) Mr Speaker, a total number of 7 950 nurses ba tse o kareng di botoka mo Dipalamenteng tsa bone, hirilwe ke Goromente mo dipateleng le mo clinics ga o a lemoga gore ke Dipalamente tsa proportional lefatshe lotlhe. representation le gore thuto e, ga e go reye e re nako e tlile ya gore bogolo fa e le gore we retain system ya rona (ii) Fa re tsaya kwa Gaborone West le Julia Molefhe ya first-past-the-post, bogolo re e tswakanye re dire a clinics, Julia Molefhe e na le 25, fa Gaborone West hybrid system e e ka dirang gore go nne le kemedi ya e na le 24. banana le ya bomme? (iii) Mr Speaker, Gaborone West Clinic e tlhokana Se sengwe ke go botse gore, o itse ba ba kwa tlase ga le nurses ba le eight go ka simolola 24 hours dingwaga tse 35 ba le kae mo Palamenteng ya Botswana operation for both outpatients and maternity. kana kwa dikhanseleng? Ke a leboga. Gaborone West Clinic provides 24 hours ka kwa MR MORWAENG: Jaaka ke supa ke tlhalosa ke re, maternity fela, while Julia Molefhe is a 24 hours clinic thulaganyo ya gore tota lessons tse re di ithutileng mo kwa balwetse ba tlang nako nngwe le nngwe. Ke a mafatsheng a mangwe ke dife, mme o bo o tswelela leboga Mr Speaker. pele o supa gore Proportional Representation in your MR GREEFF: Supplementary. Ke a leboga opinion, ke yone e dirang gore ba nne bantsi mo Honourable Minister ka karabo eo sir. Minister, ke Palamenteng kgotsa kwa dikhanseleng. Ke tsone tse ke batla go botsa gore a le na le plan ya go ka thusa batho buang ka tsone ke re, gakere jaanong fa go sekwasekwa Constitution, e Puso e tlhomamisang gore that will be ba Gaborone Bonnington South, more especially ba done, ke yone nako e dikgang tsa mofuta o, yole o tlaa Morula le Bophirima, ka gore ke bone ba ba mo mosing, tla ka mogopolo wa gagwe gore mo go ka re thusa jaana ba ba dirisang thata clinic e e mo Gaborone West le jaana, mo go ka re thusa jaana le jaana. Ka tsela eo, ke e e ba bapileng le fa police. Fa ba tlhokana le go ya tsaya gore ke selo fela se e leng gore… bongakeng bosigo rra, ba ralala mafifi ba ya kwa Block 9. Ba lala ba raletse magodu, ba bangwe ba tsamaya ba Ya gore batho ba ba less than 35 ba kae mo Palamenteng gobala mo tseleng ba betswa ke magodu ba ba tseela le kwa dikhanseleng, ke tsaya gore nna le wena re ka dilwana. Jaanong, a le na le plan ya gore gone ka le na bona karabo ya teng, ga e dingalo gore re e senke. At le nurses o re ba 24, kwa Julia Molefhe ba 25, mme kwa the moment ga ke na karabo e ke ka go e neelang ke re Julia Molefhe operates 24 hours, go pala eng gore ya e. Mme fela gone ke itse gore ke mokgweleo wa rona Gaborone West, ka nurses ba 24 e operate 24 hours? rotlhe re le diphathi tse di mo Palamenteng jaana, gore le rona re dira eng, seabe sa rona ke eng go rotloetsa Sa bobedi, a o lemoga gore batho ba ba tsayang banana gore ba inaakanye le go nna baemedi ba batho ditlamelo mo clinic ya Gaborone West ba sokola ka go bagarona. tlhoka ngaka? Ba latela ngaka kwa Block 9, a o lemoga

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gore ditshokolo tse fa di le pedi jaana sir, ga di a ema (ii) if such arrangements can be put in place, if non- batho ba Morula le Bophirima sentle? A le na le plan ya existent. gore le ye go thusa batho ba Gaborone West ka ngaka? ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re bona one ao le kwa WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so Tonota. much Mr Speaker.

MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke Mr Speaker, let it be known to this Honourable House, and by the general public that besides coming back supe gore Gaborone West Clinic e tlhoka babereki ba le for routine refilling, Batswana working or studying eight, ba gompieno re senang le bone. 24 e ya nurses, abroad under the Government of Botswana, are able to re tsentse le those that operate a maternity wing e e koo access ARVs and laboratory tests through their medical ya 24 hours. Ga re ka ke ra e tshwantshanya le Julia insurances in their countries of residence. Molefhe, ka gore maternity is a separate wing. In case of those who, because of various factors, are Tlhaelo ya nurses le dingaka e aname lefatshe lotlhe obliged to come for refilling, my ministry has a special Honourable Member. Re a itse fa go na le letlhoko la arrangement in which, their significant others or nurses le dingaka mo clinics tsotlhe tsa Gaborone. Fa go relatives are allowed to collect the ARVs on their behalf, ne go kgonega Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore re ka bo re and send to them if they are not able to come back for na le ngaka mo clinic nngwe le nngwe. these services.

Re supa jaana Mr Speaker gore, kana Gaborone ke ene It should however, be pointed out, and noted that boremelelo jwa COVID-19. Jaanong, dingaka ka bontsi circumstances differ as countries have different policy guidelines and different ARV regiments. Whatever the di tserwe ke isolations centres, ka gore ke gone kwa circumstance are, the Botswana Government, through batho ba Corona ba leng teng. Go re kgaoletse bodiredi my ministry is obliged to facilitate. mo go tseneletseng thata Mr Speaker, mo ke dumelang gore …(Inaudible)… ntlha e wa …(Inaudible)… bodiredi (i) Yes, the Government of Botswana provides the ka bokete Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga. routine refilling for other Batswana who are working or studying abroad outside Government HONOURABLE MEMBER: A le na le plan ya go scholarship. Additionally, in instances where tlisa ngaka after COVID-19? their private medical insurance and the policy guidelines of countries they reside in allow them MR LELATISITSWE: Ga ke ka ke ka itsetsepela access to such services, they do use their medical ka re re na le plan kana ga re na plan Mr Speaker ka insurance; instead. mabaka a gore, le COVID-19 ga ke itse gore e ya go (ii) Mr Speaker, I have already made a statement in fela leng. Fa COVID-19 e fela, re tlaa tshwanelwa ke the affirmative and believe that the Honourable gore re le ministry, re nne fa fatshe, re lebelele gore re ka Member of Parliament for Maun East has been phatlalatsa bodiredi jwa rona jang. Le kwa go neng go sufficiently answered. ntse go na le mathata teng, re bone gore re ka baakanya In short, an arrangement is available and many Batswana ka tsela e e ntseng jang Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga. living abroad (whether Government sponsored or not) ANTIRETROVIRALS AND HIV/AIDS SERVICES are benefitting from such. I thank you Mr Speaker. Ba a thusiwa mongwame. MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the SUBDIVISION OF THE COUNTRY Minister of Health and Wellness to brief this Honourable House on any arrangements to have Batswana working DR U. DOW (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the for Government abroad to access Antiretrovirals (ARVs) Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public and HIV/AIDS services in those countries without Administration: having to come back for refilling and testing, and in (i) whether the current subdivision of the country into particular to state: Magisterial Districts, Police Districts, Council (i) whether this privilege can be extended to other Districts, Tribal Territories, Educational Regions, Batswana working and studying abroad with the Land Boards undermine planning for, and access same health status; and to, services;

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(ii) whether he accepts that spatial planning is cultural homogeneity built over the years. In view undermined by the current multiple layered and of the fact that there have been similar requests sector-specific carving of the country; and presented to my colleague at the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development, it has been (iii) whether he does not consider it overdue for the found appropriate to consider these holistically Central District to be subdivided to promote as they entail extensive consultations with the efficient provision of services to the population affected councils and communities to ensure that living within that vast area. all the requisite steps are taken into consideration MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL as prescribed by the Local Government Act of AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC 2012. Thereafter, the key determining factor will ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Mma ke be resource availability and efficiency of service leboge gape Mr Speaker. delivery. This may not only affect Central District, but other districts such as Southern, Kweneng, (i) I confirm that the current operational boundaries North West and so on and so forth, may equally be of various Government departments that are affected. Thank you very much Mr Speaker. not harmonised with Administrative Districts boundaries do somehow undermine the planning FAMILY POLICY for and access to services. It came about because of scarcity of resources to deploy around the country MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister at the time of our independence. The challenge has of Local Government and Rural Development: long been observed by the 1979 and 2001 Local Government Structure Presidential Commissions. (i) to update this Honourable House on the part and current efforts to formulate a Family Policy for The said Commissions made recommendations which Botswana by the Government; were accepted by Government that these boundaries be harmonised with Administrative boundaries; and (ii) if he is aware that a robust, comprehensive and indeed these are being progressively implemented. implementable Family Policy can tackle some of Considering that some departments had already invested the social ills/challenges affecting our society; in delineating and developing infrastructure for their and if so, why this policy is not prioritised and operational boundaries, it will obviously take time for expedited; and their boundaries to be wholly harmonised; which is in fact a desirable arrangement. (iii) if he is willing to commit to a timeline for formulation of the Family Policy for Botswana. (ii) Mr Speaker, as I have already indicated, our planning and service delivery, including spatial ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL planning, is undermined by the current multi- GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT layered and sector specific delineation of (MR MODUKANELE): Thank you Mr Speaker. Let operational boundaries. That notwithstanding, Mr me also thank Rre Lucas. Speaker, some of the challenges referred to have (i) Mr Speaker, my ministry has prioritised the been addressed by the National Spatial Plan which, development and review of social protection while observing the importance of harmonisation policies, including the development of Family with administrative districts boundaries, has Policy. …(Inaudible)… the development of this identified regions along broad themes of economy, policy has already started with engagement of mobility, environment, governance and social development partners and stakeholders, including development. This provides a framework and Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) that strategic guidance from a national perspective work with families in Botswana. Consultations to guide lower level regional and settlement have been done with Gantsi, Kgalagadi, North development plans. West, Central, Southern and Sowa District (iii) Mr Speaker, regarding the subdivision of Central Councils. Further consultations are ongoing District, Government will continue to assess the with other development partners, interested and effectiveness of districts, both large and small, affected stakeholders, including NGOs that work without affecting the communal, traditional and with and support families countrywide.

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(ii) Mr Speaker, my ministry is cognisant of the HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of procedure prevalent social ills and challenges that the nation Mr Speaker. is facing. In this regard, some of the mechanisms including response towards Gender Based MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, answer the Violence (GBV) especially extreme violation of question. Gatwe a le robetse mo tirong? minors among others, are being put in place. The MR MODUKANELE: …(Laughter!)…Ke a leboga goal of the Family Policy is to create conducive Mr Speaker. Nnyaa, ke batla ka tlotlo le boikobo, ke environment, to promote and strengthen the farologane le se Honourable Member a se buang. One; family institution. It also aims to respond to ga ke dumele gore we are groping in the dark as he puts the prevalent and evolving challenges that the it, boammaaruri jwa kgang ke gore, kgodiso ya ngwana contemporary families are contending with. The development of a comprehensive Family ga se fela gore ke product ya Family Policy e le nosi. Policy will therefore, provide guidance on the Policies tse ka go farologana ga tsone, jaaka re sa tswa appropriate evidence-based social, mental and go bua gore we are coming up with different things, physiological interventions to address the existing including social protection framework, tse tsotlhe are and emerging social ills faced by the nation. In aimed at the end of the day, go bona gore boleng le this regard, the development of the Family Policy kgodiso ya ngwana wa Motswana, ke jo bo maleba. It has been prioritised and work has already started, is not an issue ya gore just one Family Policy would be as I have already indicated. Furthermore, the panacea to all these issues. We have to accept the fact National Social Protection Framework supports that indeed kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, it is a multifaceted and advocates for this policy. issue e e tlhokang go lebelelwa ka bophara, and that is exactly what we are doing. (iii) In conclusion, Mr Speaker, my ministry confirms that the development of the Family Policy is Gape ke bue jaana Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa prioritised in the latter part of the National Palamente ke re, indeed, I have realised gore the Development Plan (NDP) 11. Funds permitting, Honourable Member is very much interested in this the policy will be completed by the 2nd Quarter of area. We are very willing to engage with Rre Lucas even 2022/23 financial year. I thank you. outside Parliament fa a na le nako, o ka tla kwano kwa MR LUCAS: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. lephateng and engage on these issues, ra gakololana, le Tona, kana fa o sena policy which guides go aga le go ene a tla ka se gongwe as a Motswana, and a responsible bopiwa ga malwapa, go raya gore you are basically citizen for that matter, re ka bua dikgang tse. Ra fana groping in the dark, ke gore o pholetha mo lefifing. Ke maele a gore re fa kae, going forward go tlhoka gore re ipotsa gore jaaka o tlaabo o pholetha mo lefifing jalo, dire eng, ke yone eo Mr Speaker. o leka go aga malwapa, o kaelwa ke eng currently mo go lekeng go tlhomamisa gore lelwapa e le konokono Fa re bua ka issue ya consultation gore e tlaa tsaya ya kgodiso ya ngwana, le thusiwa ka ditsompelo tse di lebaka le le telele, nnyaa re setse re file atimeline which tshwanetseng gore bana ba kgone go agega sentle? Tota I know is very close to his heart, he always talks of the kgang e tona e le gore o dirisa eng gompieno, a o dirisa timeline, and we have given a timeline. Fa e ne e le gore fela common sense kgotsa o dirisa …(Interruptions)… o nthaya a re, you gave a timeline, you have failed to Sa bobedi, go lebega go na le bothata Tona kwa lephateng meet that, that would be a different story, mme ga re la lona, fa le sa dire policies tse di tshwanetseng jaaka ise re goroge foo Mr Speaker and with due respect, ke le ise le dire ya decentralisation, le iphitlha ka kgang dumela gore a re fe nako, re dire tiro, e tle e re fa a re e gotweng therisanyo, mme therisanyo ya lona e bo e accuse, a bo e le gore tota re bua facts not go abelela tsaya even up to 10 years. Golo moo a mme tota go fela. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. supa tlhoafalo kgotsa jaanong le boitseme le robala mo tirong? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker…

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, we are now Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke tsaya gore the Honourable going to the Committee of Supply, I am not allowing Member, mo gongwe mo o… any more interruptions, no more!

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STATEMENT messaging should inspire confidence that indeed we are doing our best under the circumstances. We call on COVID-19 VACCINE Government to ensure that there is transparency and accountability in the procurement of these vaccines. CHAIRPERSON OF HEALTH AND HIV/AIDS There is a need to ensure prudence by procuring only COMMITTEE (MR TSHERE): Thank you very the best quality medicines or vaccines and antigens for much and good afternoon Honourable Speaker. Good Botswana. As Parliament, we will be watching with afternoon to Members of this House. keen interest to protect the interest of Batswana. Mr Speaker, let me take this opportunity to thank you Mr Speaker, what Batswana also yearn for, it is a clear for giving me an opportunity to address this Honourable rollout plan with target for the vaccines once it is House on a global matter that is threatening human live. available. Our communication at all times must therefore COVID-19 virus has been devastating to say the least. inspire public confidence. Amid the news of availability It has negatively affected world economies, Botswana of counterfeit vaccines, we call on Botswana Medicines included, and as it is, we are still to determine its long Regulatory Authority (BoMRA) to play its role and be term impacts. What we know for a fact is that, apart at the forefront in ensuring that we get this process right from exposing our fragile economy, COVID-19 has the first time. I wish to repeat that one, Mr Speaker, really overburdened our health systems. To those who amid the news of availability of fake or counterfeit have succumbed to the virus, may their soul find eternal vaccines, we call on BoMRA to play its role and be in peace in the hands of the Lord. the forefront in ensuring that we get this process right Mr Speaker, in that regard, allow me on behalf of Health the first time. and HIV/AIDS Committee of Parliament, on behalf of Batswana, and indeed on my own behalf, recognise The Committee also call on the Ministry of Health and the dedication and sacrifice of our frontline workers. A Wellness to intensify its information and awareness special tribute goes to our health workers. They all have campaign and continue educating Batswana further about been amazing, demonstrated courage and bravery in the this vaccine. It should also be noted that the vaccine is phase of fear and hopelessness. We are where we are not at all a cure. Therefore, we call Government to add right now, thanks to their selfless service. our voice at the Health and HIV/AIDS Committee and COVID-19 Vaccine encourage Batswana to continue to be vigilant and abide by the COVID-19 protocols as advised by the Ministry Mr Speaker, we are also aware and continue to watch of Health and Wellness. with keen interest the development around the world in fighting this pandemic. We must stress that if at all there • Let us all ensure that we continue with the consistent is any time that was a greater need for a coordinated and proper wearing of masks. multilateral intervention to global challenges, that time is now. We need everybody to do their part in ensuring • Washing of hands regularly with soap and clean equitable global access to COVID-19 vaccine as the water or clean them with an alcohol based hand world rollout the vaccine in an effort to combat the sanitiser or a rub. spread and effects of COVID-19. We are informed that Botswana too will follow suit in procuring and • Covering one’s mouth and nose when coughing or rolling out the COVID-19 vaccine. We have already sneezing or the use of tissue or flexed elbow. seen the donations starting to arrive and this is a welcome development that the Committee commends. • Maintain at least two metres distance when in the The Committee is interested in the proper acquisition proximity of others. of the vaccines, its shipping and handling, storage, distribution, administration and the management of post • Avoid touching your face. vaccine incidents, including taking care of the adversely • Stay home if you are not feeling well. affected. • Restrain from smoking and other activities that can Mr Speaker, in the phase of uncertainty and despair, weaken the lungs. Batswana need hope and assurance that they too would be vaccinated. It is therefore, important that whilst • Practice social distance by avoiding unnecessary we welcome communication from Government, the travel and stay away from large group of people.

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• Clean and disinfect frequently when touching the tafoleng ya gago Mr Speaker e neng ke laetswe gore e object and surfaces. re kamoso, ke e arabe. Gongwe ke tle ka bosupi ka fa o neng o kopile ka teng. Ke botsa gore a ke ka fiwa sebaka • Most importantly, assisting our elders to adhere to to deal with that matter, re tle re tswelele pele? the above protocols. MR SPEAKER: Yes, let us get it out of the way. Yes, Lastly, I wish to express my appreciation to the proceed. international community, the World Health Organisation (WHO) Centres for Disease Control (Africa MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. E CDC) and vaccine manufacturers for their effort in ne ya re mo bekeng e e fetileng, ga nna le gore bangwe combating COVID-19. Their contribution has been vital bagarona ba kganetso ba bo ba ipelaetsa gore ba dumela in helping the world first combat COVID-19 through fa go sa nna sentle gore Tautona gongwe a bo a na le health protocols and later through vaccination. dikgwebo, kana a ikamanya le bangwe ba dikgwebo mo lefatsheng la rona. Ya re fa re ntse re tsweletse re akgela, I want to conclude by echoing the words that I have mo kakgelong ya me ka supa gore mme kana re utlwa heard several times from various WHO representatives, gotwe bangwe mo kganetso, ba iphitlhile ka dikgwebo that we are going to defeat COVID-19 everywhere. It is a tsa ba bangwe; ba dira mo gotweng fronting. Ga nna le simple principle which seeks to ensure vaccine equality gore bangwe ba supe gore nnyaa mme se ke se buang ga for all of us. I therefore, call on Africa CDC to lead me se boammaruri, e bile ba batla bosupi. Jaanong ke ne ke to this principle and make sure that save vaccines are re ka gore Mr Speaker, golo mo go lebega go tlaa tsaya available equitably, across Africa as a whole and most nakonyana, I wish to retract sotlhe se ke se buileng gore especially Sub-Saharan Africa and Southern African in Palamente e tswelele pele mongwame. Ke a leboga. particular. I thank you Mr Speaker. LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Tshere. SALESHANDO): On a point of order. E re ntswa ke Honourable Members, Standing Order 41. 3 would allow amogela gore Rre Rakgare a bo a lebega a ikotlhaela se for short questions, clarifications and elucidations. If it a se buileng, ke go gakolole mafoko a a a dirisitseng. O is…(inaudible)… you can do so. I do not think we need ne a re, “batho ba teng mo Palamenteng mo, ba fitlhile any clarification, just short questions, so, we move on. dikgwebo tsa bone ka maina a batho ba sele, ba teng ba MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, bantsi, re a ba itse.” E ne e le go re manega mafoko a a SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR seng boammaaruri. Jaanong ke ne ke re, ga go a lekana RAKGARE): Procedure. Thank you very much Mr fela gore a re o a boela morago, ke ne ke kopa mo go Speaker. Mr Speaker, there is a matter before you from wena Mr Speaker, o dirise dithata tsa gago go laola last week, speech sa ga Honourable Mmusi… gore mafoko a a neng a buiwa ke Rre Rakgare a sena boammaaruri, e le a lesenyo, a sutlhiwe, a se ka a nna HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rra? bontlha bongwe jwa records tsa Palamente. Rakgare ga MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmusi! re a bolo go mo kopa gore a ko a bale Jobe 13 Verse 5, jaaka Mothusa Tautona a mo gakolotse, a tswe mo MR MMUSI: Rra? dikgannyeng tse di tshesanyane. Jaanong re kopa gore a a sutlhiwe mo record ya Palamente. E se ka ya nna fela MR SPEAKER: Go away from our …(interruption) … gore o a boela morago. Ke a leboga. MR MMUSI: …(Inaudible)… Romela molaetsa. MR SPEAKER: The Standing Order as they stand, will MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare! require as I understand it, for the expunge to the subject of the Motion. We do not have the time now, but for HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le nna ke ne ke kopile tomorrow, I will certainly allow anyone of you to move procedure Mr Speaker. a Motion for those words which were referred to, to be expunged from the record. MR RAKGARE: Mr Speaker, can I proceed? MR SALESHANDO: That is fine Mr Speaker. I will MR SPEAKER: I gave you the floor. inform your office tomorrow in the morning as to who MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga sir. Go na le kgang mo will move that Motion.

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MR SPEAKER: Okay. ke Honourable Rakgare morago ga Motion wa gore maIntern a okeletswe madi. E rile fa a gana, a bo a re MR MOATLHODI: Procedure. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi nnyaa e tlaare in two days, ke tlaabo ke tlisa pampiri mo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Good afternoon Palamenteng. Jaanong go setse go tsene three months Sir. Ke ikobile thata Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Honourable Speaker. Ke re ke gakolole jalo. Ga se e e tsa Palamente. Ke kopile procedure e Motlotlegi tshwenyang. Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker. Mopalamente Lucas a santse a buisana le Motlotlegi Mothusa Tona wa kwa Local Government, e le gore MR SPEAKER: Thank you. Honourable Ramogapi, I Motlotlegi Rre Lucas o raya Tona a re, ‘go raya gore thought so. Minister, dikgang tsa lona ke tseo... o a pholetha fela fa o sena procedure, o pholetha mo lefifing.’ Ke a kopa Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, tsa Palamente. Standing Order 58.11 ga e dumalane SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR le setho se Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Bobonong RAKGARE): Well Mr Speaker, I do not think I said a arabang Mothusa Tona ka sone. These words are two days; I stand to be corrected. I remember ke supa completely demeaning, derogative and completely away gore tota kana lephata ga le na madi. Ke lone fela lebaka from our decorum. Ke a kopa ke rapela Motlotlegi le letona la gore re bo re sa kgone go okeletsa bana ba Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. rona ba Internship madi. Ke tlaatla ka statement mo Palamenteng se ke tlaabong ke supa gore maikaelelo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moatlhodi, I thought we a rona ke eng go ya pele ka programme ya rona ya have dealt with that, and I must say immediately, I do Internship. I do not recall saying two days. not have time for that, I am dealing with a budget, and I thought Honourable Modukanele that ...(inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister. ignored side remarks...(inaudible)… it does not apply to him...(inaudible)… deal with them. ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair)

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, o ntiela nako. APPROPRIATION (2021/2022) BILL, 2021 (NO. 2 OF 2021) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kwadile, ga e bonale? ORGANISATION 1800 – MINISTRY OF MR SPEAKER: E a bonala. I am dealing with Budget LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND here. SANITATION SERVICES

First Reading MR CHAIRPERSON (MR SKELEMANI): Order! PRESENTATION OF A GOVERNMENT Order! Honourable Members. Please know that 2 hours BILL 45 minutes has been allocated to this Organisation and I will call upon the Minister to reply to the debate at The following Bill was presented and read a first time. 1655hours today and the question will be put at 1725 hours. VALUE ADDED TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO. 3 OF 2021) MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) Mr Chairperson, Honourable Members, I have the Second Reading – Later Date. honour today, to present the 2021/2022 budget proposals for Organisation 1800 – Ministry of Land Management, MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi, I see your Water and Sanitation Services for your consideration procedure. and approval. Before I proceed with my presentation of MR RAMOGAPI: E khutshwane, e bile ga se e e ka go the budget proposals, allow me to update Honourable jelang nako, e bile gape ga se ya ditontokwane. Ke ne ke Members on the ministry’s performance with respect to re ke go gakolole fela Honourable Speaker gore, kana execution of the budget for the financial year 2020/2021 go na le undertaking e e sa bolong go dirwa, gore go tlaa as well as delivery of the ministry’s strategic initiatives tlisiwa pampiri mo Ntlong ya gago, e re e solofeditsweng and projects.

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The total budget allocated to the ministry for financial with selected land boards being Tlokweng, Malete and year 2020/2021 amounted to P3.198 billion; which Ghanzi in the near future. Data capturing, cleaning and comprised of P2.18 billion for the Development uploading into the Cadastral Information System (CIS) Budget and P1.01 billion for the Recurrent Budget. The and Land Information System (LIS) is also in progress. ministry’s expenditure as of end of February 2021 stood at P2.111 billion or 96 per cent of the Development The ministry continues to implement different categories Budget, and P910 million or 90 per cent of the Recurrent of land servicing projects (full, bulk or minimal Budget. servicing) across the country. Currently, ongoing full servicing projects at design review stage are Gantsi Mr Chairperson, with respect to improvements on Extension, Plateau, Maun Central Business access to land, Parliament on the 20th November 2020 District (CBD), Selebi-Phikwe Phase 2 and Palapye adopted a Motion that requested Government to expedite Extension 10. Gantsi Extension is due to produce 2,000 relaxing requirements for land allocation. The Motion plots commenced in April 2020, and is planned to be acknowledged the fact that efforts by Government to completed in March of 2021. Kasane Plateau will also provide serviced residential land to citizens are being produce a sizeable number of plots; 247 in number, and hampered by the limited resources. I had indicated at Maun CBD is planned to commence in September 2021 that particular time that in order to service all the plots and will be completed by March 2022. to address the waiting list, Government would require about P94 billion which is not viable in the foreseeable The full land servicing projects at tendering stage for future, considering both the financial and project construction are Sowa Self-Help Housing Agency implementation capacity for the country. The reason for (SHHA) Block 3 planned for award by April 2021. the extremely high financial resources required for land Sowa and Nnyungwe land servicing to be awarded servicing is that most of our infrastructure is directed by December 2021, both with planned construction towards servicing the plot. The plot is the consumptive periods of 12 months. The full land servicing project at or beneficiary unit for water, sewage, roads, electricity, construction stage includes Metsimotlhabe Block 4 and telecommunications and storm water drainage. We have Selebi-Phikwe Phase 1 industrial land servicing which in that regard increased our pace of allocation of un- was awarded in September 2020, but is now at litigation. serviced residential plots to Batswana. Metsimotlhabe Block 4 is planned for completion by The ministry is approaching the final stages of May 2021. stakeholder consultations with regard to cost recovery Bulk land servicing for Francistown Aerodrome in servicing tribal land. In the past, serviced land was Link Road Component 1 and 2 are at tendering the preserve of urban areas. In our development path, for construction stage. The tender documents for we have extended land servicing to tribal areas but did not extend cost recovery on the belief that tribal land is construction of Component 2 are still at vetting stage in not sold. However, our knowledge is that tribal land has anticipation to be floated in March of this year. The bulk a value and more valuable when serviced. land servicing projects for tendering for construction at Mmopane Block 1, Mochudi South and Seuwane are at Mr Chairperson, commencement of the re-enacted tender stage for these projects. Tribal Land Act of 2018 which was anticipated in December of 2020 has been delayed following legal The minimal land servicing projects which are already advice that Sections 23 and 55 need to be amended completed in the financial year are Lentsweletau which before the commencement of the Act, to manage the yielded 2,486 plots and Molalatau with 728 plots. transition from the repealed Act to the new one. The projects which will be completed by end of the Mr Chairperson, despite our efforts to speedily avail financial year include Kalamare, Moshupa, Mabutsane land for productive purposes, we are experiencing a Lesoma, Kazungula, Gerald Block 1 and Block 5 inter- worrisome trend where allocated land remains fallow connection. and undeveloped beyond their mandatory development Mr Chairperson, the implementation of the National covenants dates. This is a huge challenge for us. Spatial Plan (NSP) is ongoing with two major initiatives The Land Administration Procedures, Capacity and being the establishment of the 11 planning regions Systems (LAPCAS) programme is in progress and identified by the NSP and its alignment of to other issuance of Secure Land Titles (SLT) will commence sectors.

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In terms of Reaffirmation of International Boundaries, development of a bankable Lesotho-Botswana Water we are also proceeding on this matter. The ministry is Transfer project feasibility study was signed and is to be developing methods or methodologies in which we can completed in 2022. greater reaffirm our borders in conjunction with our neighbours. My ministry continues to implement major water supply projects such as the North South Carrier (NSC) The ministry is developing the Land Management 2.2. The project involves construction of a water Reform Agenda which aims to empower Batswana to transmission pipeline from Palapye to Mmamashia for obtain optimal benefit from the land resource. The focal the supply of villages in the Mahalapye cluster, Greater points will among others prioritise facilitating timely Gaborone including (Tlokweng, Mochudi, Ramotswa, access to land and use of Public Private Partnerships Mogoditshane, Gakuto and Kopong), Lobatse and the (PPPs) in land servicing. The Reform Agenda also aims Barolong Sub-District, Thamaga, Moshupa, Kanye, to analyse the extent of undeveloped allocated plots and Mochudi, Molepolole and their associated localities. through a consultative process, arrive at the best way for better utilisation of undeveloped land. Furthermore, The Masama-Mmamashia 100 kilometre pipeline the Reform Agenda is making a holistic assessment of commenced in May 2020 and progress as at the end of present land use guidelines and assessing their present February 2021 was 85 per cent complete, against the day effectiveness and user friendliness. planned 90 per cent. The project is projected to inject an additional 64 Million Litres (ml) per day into the Mr Chairperson, an emerging issue such as the Greater Gaborone (Tlokweng, Mochudi, Ramotswa, COVID-19 pandemic poses serious challenges as the Mogoditshane, Gakuto, Kopong), Lobatse, Kanye, control of the virus requires reliable water supply. Molepolole and Barolong areas. The project is planned As an effort to mitigate the challenge, my ministry is to be completed by May 2021. undertaking extensive bowsing throughout the country, The Mmamashia-Kanye water project which connects which included the provision of additional capacity Kanye, Moshupa and Thamaga to the NSC scheme was for supplementary bowsing to areas with pervasive successfully completed in December 2019. The scheme water shortages, plus an additional 41 un-gazetted has improved water in localities of Thamaga, Moshupa settlements. The ministry also instituted measures such and Kanye. The leg to connect Molepolole to the NSC, that is Molepolole (Gamononyane)-NSC connection is as reconnection of all owing customers and suspension at procurement stage and is expected to be awarded for of disconnections country-wide which resulted in construction in April 2021. The scheme will also provide declining revenue collections decreased financial input water to villages of Gakuto, Mmatseta and Kopong. and unsustainable water supply. The ministry has also engaged contractors for the With the above being said, it is the responsibility of my construction of the connection to Tswapong South ministry to make sure all our available water resources, villages to Mahalapye which is expected to take 18 together with existing infrastructure are kept safe from months, starting from November, 2020. Tswapong any damage, misuse and pollution. It is therefore crucial South villages include villages such as; Pilikwe, to manage our water in an integrated approach, invest in Mhalapitsa, Sefhare, Letoreng, Machaneng, Borotsi, inclusive sanitation management and monitor our water Chadibe, Mokobeng and Ngwapa. from resources to the tap and vice versa. Mr Chairperson, the North South Carrier (NSC) 2.3 My ministry is in the process of developing a long term project which is intended to further distribute water into National Water Security Strategy, and the strategy is the southern part of the country was commissioned in intended to promote increase in water security to meet November, 2020. The project consists of two major future water demands and thereby improve resilience to components being the construction of Mmamashia to climate change impacts. Gaborone Water Transfer Scheme and the upgrading of the existing Gaborone Water Supply Network, Following the signing of the tripartite Memorandum including the connection of the new development areas of Agreement (MoA) between Botswana, Lesotho at Gaborone North, Sebele, Airport and the Forest and South Africa in November 2017 for the Lesotho- Hill Development, as well as addressing the Oodi- Botswana Water Transfer project, a 24 months contract Matebeleng and Modipane water shortage by upgrading for combined prefeasibility and feasibility study for the the main supply line to the village tanks.

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Lobatse Water Supply Master Plan is a water transfer The Kasane-Kazungula Water Distribution scheme that will convey portable water from Gaborone Rehabilitation project intends to upgrade, rehabilitate to villages in the five Constituencies of; Lobatse, the existing water supply infrastructure to meet Moshupa-Manyana, Goodhope-Mabule, Ramotswa, minimum pressure requirements in all areas and will and Mmathethe-Molapowabojang. The project is at be partnered in conjunction with two other projects in construction phase and is expected to be completed in the Chobe area, including the Kasane Water Treatment November, 2021. Plant.

The ministry is in the process of procuring a contractor Kgalagadi North and Gantsi South project tender for Goodhope Water Master Plan project. The project entails the supply of portable water to the 11 villages will benefit the 32 villages in the Goodhope Sub-District in Kgalagadi North and seven villages in Gantsi South. such as Rakhuna, Ramatlabama, Hebron and other 32 The engineering and environmental consultancies were villages in that area all the way to Sekhutlhane. The both at litigation and judgement has been issued for the project entails construction of transmission pipelines, Engineering consultancy and the consultant resumed storage tanks, hydraulic structures, network pipelines the design in February of 2021. The Environmental and associated electro-mechanical works. consultancy was also resolved and the tender is currently Ramotswa Water Treatment Plant project involve the at adjudication for award. design and construction of works necessary to treat The Chadibe-Borolong-Shashe Mooke project is polluted water from Ramotswa wellfield to produce complete and was handed over on the 31st of October portable water using reverse osmosis technology and 2020 and these three villages have started realising the the project is at commissioning stage. benefits. Mmamashia Water Treatment Plant tender The other project that was commissioned in November for the design, supply, installation was awarded in 2020 is Moshupa Sanitation. The project is expected to September 2020 and commenced in November 2020. take 13 months of construction from November 2020. Mahalapye Water Treatment Works expansion started in June 2019 and the project is currently at 74.5 per The scope for Molepolole Water and Sanitation project cent completion. Palapye Water Treatment Plant Works is to rehabilitate, upgrade and expand water in sewer systems to cover new or future development plans for expansion project commenced in June 2019 and it both Molepolole and Thamaga. The project is on its last is scheduled to take 36 months to be completed and phase of pre-construction which started in May 2020 currently it is at 72.3 per cent completion. and tender for construction will be floated in the last quarter of this financial year. The feasibility Study for the implementation of Glen Valley Waster Water Reclamation project through a The implementation of Maun Water Supply and Public Private Partnership has also been completed. Sanitation Phase II project has commenced and the project will run for a period of 36 months. Construction for the North East and Tutume Sub-District Water Supply-Gaborone Project under the World Bank The construction of supply pipelines to connect Portfolio was started in March 2020 and the project is Cluster villages to Thune Dam is ongoing and pipe connections to the Mabolwe, Semolale, Gobojango planned to be complete by September 2021. villages is in progress and as well as the pipeline from Bogonong to Lepokole. One of the contracts also The Boteti Cluster Water project commenced in March includes water supply pipeline from Mathathane to 2020 in terms of the design and the design is planned . to be complete by April 2021, thereafter we will go and look for a contractor. Mr Chairperson, the rehabilitation of the Shakawe Water Treatment Plant is ongoing and is planned to be Mr Chairperson, the ministry’s proposed budget for completed in May of 2021. The Gumare Treatment Plant the financial year 2021/2022 is Four Billion, Three project started on the 12th May 2020 and is expected to Hundred and Sixty-Five Million, Two Hundred and be completed by March 2021. In the Okavango area, Nineteen Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula the project on Water Supply from Seronga to Gudigwa (P4,365,219,560) and the budget is 38.3 per cent which consisted of construction of a treatment plant and more than the allocation for the current financial year. reticulation to the Seronga cluster village is complete. The proposed Recurrent Budget amounts to Nine

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Hundred and Sixty-Three Million, Nine Hundred and Ke tsaya gore le tsone ke projects tse di tlaa amang Forty-Seven Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula mafelo a go nang le selelo mo teng jaaka land allocations (P963,947,560) of which 55 per cent of the proposed le metsi fela jalo. Ke tsaya gore those are the key issues. Recurrent Budget is allocated to Revenue Support Grant Go abiwa ga lefatshe, especially tribal land le metsi ka for the 12 land boards and P5 million is allocated for fa go ntseng ka teng, ke tsone dilo tse e leng selelo sa Real Estate Advisory Council (REAC). Batswana.

The proposed Development Budget is Three Billion, Gongwe ke tlise ngongorego ka tsamaiso ya land Four Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and allocations. We had expected gore revision ya Land Seventy-Two Pula (P3,401,272,000) and of this amount, Policy ya 2019 e tlaa kgona go dira dilo motlhofo. Ka the largest share of the Development Budget is allocated fa go ntseng ka teng, go lebega go santse go na le dilo tse di thata gore Motswana a tle a bone plot, especially to Water Supply pipelines, including the ones I have tribal land. Go tsaya steps tse dintsintsi. Ke ne ke tsaya mentioned; North South Carrier 2.2, North South Carrier gore le tlaa tlhofofatsa tsamaiso. E bile fa o lebile, o 2.3 and the various sub-projects mentioned earlier such kgona go bona gore steps di 10 gore Motswana a tle a as Kanye NSC connection, Masama Pipeline, World bone plot. Seo se thatafaletsa Motswana go ya pele go Bank projects, Gamononyane project and other water bona plot. transfer schemes. The second largest share is allocated to Water Supply and Sanitation Networks at 32.2 per cent Selo santlha land board e tshwanetse to plan and of the Development Budget; 9.8 per cent is proposed for survey plots tse. E simolola ka go buisanya le batho. land servicing projects which include amongst others, From there, go dirwa base map. Sa boraro khansele e Selebi-Phikwe Special Economic Zones, Metsimotlhabe tshwanetse go dira Environmental Assessment then Block 4, Mmopane Block 1, Francistown Link Road go bo go tsena Department of Environmental Affairs and Gantsi, Mochudi South, Letlhakane, Tsolamosese, (DEA) go dira mo gotweng Strategic Environmental and Mabutsane Land Servicing projects. Assessment (SEA). From there, go bo go tsena land planning gape go dira layout production ya khansele. Mr Chairperson, as I conclude my presentation of the Khansele e tsena labobedi. Then go tsena approval of 2021/2022 budget proposals, I move that the sum of Nine layout by council. Khansele e tsena laboraro. Then land Hundred and Sixty-Three Million, Nine Hundred and board comes in to do land surveying. Go bo go tsena Forty-Seven Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula approval ya Department ya Survey and Mapping. Go (P963,947,560) for the Recurrent Budget be approved tsweng foo, go tsenwa kwa land board e bo e tsenya and stand part of the 2021/2022 Appropriation Bill (No. meetings then e bo e le gone go abiwang lefatshe. O 1 of 2021) for Organisation 1800 and that a sum of Three kgona go bona gore ke steps tse dintsintsi tse di ka Billion, Four Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred nnang 10. Re ne re tsaya gore gongwe le tlhofofatse and Seventy-Two Thousand Pula (P3,401,272,000), for tsamaiso e Honourable Minister ka gore go tsaya lebaka the Development Budget be approved and stand part of just for tribal land gore motho a ye go bona setsha se. the same schedule of the appropriation (2021/2022) for It is unnecessarily long; it involves ministries di ka nna Organisation 1800. I move accordingly. I thank you Mr tharo. Ke wa gago wa Lands, Environmental Affairs e e Chairperson. kwa ministry wa ga Honourable Kereng, then go bo go tsena Physical Planning ya ga Rre Molale kwa Local MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much Government. Seo se supa fela gore this is cumbersome Honourable Minister. The debate starts now. e bile go go telele thata gore motho o ka bona plot. Re kopa gore le tlhofofatse kgang e; mandate o montsi o DR TSHABANG (NKANGE): Thank you Mr nne kwa go lona, le kgaole some of these things. Chairperson. Tla ke lebogele nako e o e mphileng e le nna ke akgele mo Ministry wa Land Management, Water Last time fa re botsa potso ka gore ke eng le sa abe plots and Sanitation Services. Santlha ke re Honourable kwa magaeng, le ne la bua gore kana ga le ise le bone Minister, re tle re itumelele gore ministry wa gago o madi a a ka duelang ba Department of Environmental filwe madi a mantsinyana, e bile o okeleditswe ka 38per Affairs le the private surveyors. Re ne re tsaya gore cent go feta fa o neng o bone teng last year. Ke tsaya gongwe o tlaa ama kgang eo gompieno gore o bone gore makgwere a rona a re lelang ka one re le Batswana, madi a go dira jalo. Fa o sa bue o papametse, o santse o o tla kgona to address them, le fa o re bontsi jwa madi a tlogela lesokolela mo Batswaneng gore a mme tota ba ya kwa Development Projects. tlaa bona plots tse ba di batlang.

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Kgang e tona gape Rre Mzwinila ke gore Batswana ba Metse e mentsi ga e na metsi; not only kwa Nkange emetse tharabololo ya plots tse. Ga gona constituency Constituency. Re tlhokana le bowsing of water, mme epe mo Botswana e e senang waiting list e teleletelele gantsi fa o bua le ba Water Utilities, ba tlaabo ba go e e tsereng lebaka le gone. Ke tsaya gore kwa go rona bolelela gore they do not have bowsers. Ke tsaya gore e kwa Nkage Constituency, you were confirming maloba tlaa re mo mading a o a fileng maphata, Water Utilities e gore waiting list reaches bo 16 000. Tse dingwe tsa bo tlaa bona madi a bowsers. Go na le madi a maintenance Mabutsane ke bo 26 000. The whole country is on an a dilapidating pipes. Ke tsaya gore o tlaa re fa madi ao average of more than 20 000 waiting list. Ke tsaya gore rraetsho gore re supe gore re na le tswelelopele. golo moo go tshwanetse gore le wena go go tshwenye Rre Mzwinila, e re o batla madi le gone o bo o go lebile. Re santse re le kwa north rraetsho, go na le letamo le o Re tsaya gore kgang e o tlaa e tsaya e le mfago gore sa bolong go re le solofetsa e bile le dule ka diphatlha tsa madi a a tsenang a o tlaa ya go baakanya gone foo. menwana re sa itse gore go diragetse eng. Ke kopa gore o tlhamalale rraetsho gore wa re o busetsa leng letamo Go na le kgang e o e buileng ya farm land e nnang e sa la Mosetse mo lenaneong. Re tlhaloganya gore gatwe ke dirisiwe mme e abilwe. Mma ke supe gore mo go eo ke lone the only site for a big dam in this country. Ke tsaya dumalana le wena go tshwanetse gore go tsewe steps tse gore rona kwa north le tlaa re thusa thata gore go nne le di tlhomameng gore fa e le gore lefatshe le abetswe gore metsi. So, re kopa gore o tswe ka tharabololo ka letamo motho o ka le dirisa kana o ka le tlhabolola within five leo, le se ka la nyelela fela Rre Mzwinila. years, a go nne jalo. Nako e ntsi Goromente o ntse a sa sale melao morago. Ke boitseme jwa ga Goromente. Fa Ke tsaya gore Mr Chairperson, a me a kalo, ke lebogela go na le masimo a sa lemiwe mme go na le ba bangwe tshono. Thank you. on waiting list ba batla go lema, re kopa gore le tseye ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND masimo ao ka molao o o teng le bo le abela ba ba leng WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Ke a leboga mo laeneng gore re tle re fokotse letlhoko la lefatshe. Mr Chairperson. Thank you so much Rre Mzwinila Re le ba Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) kana ka your presentation. Santlha mma ke supe gore ke go opposition, re sale re buile gape ka the absent landlords; eme nokeng gore fiwe madi ao o ye go thusa Batswana. ba bangwe ba tsere lefatshe ba bo ba ya go nna kwa Dikgang tsa me di ratile go tsamaelana thata le tsa ga ntle ka lone, mme kwano le sa dirisiwe. Re kopa gore le Honourable Never Tshabang. lone le gapiwe (repossess) Mr Chairperson, gore gore Mr Chairperson, santlha re leboge jaaka re kgonne go le kgone go abelwa ba ba kgonang go le dirisa sentle simolola projects tse di tsisang metsi ka bokete mo the so that re kgone go bona dipoelo le selelo sa go tlhoka southern part of Botswana. Jaanong metsi a a goroga lefatshe se fokotsege Minister. Ke dumalana le wena ka ka mananeo a a tlisitsweng ke Puso. Re leboge se thata, kgang e gore go tshwanetse gore go sekasekiwe gore e batho ba kgone go bona metsi. Ke supe jaana gore ke kgone go rarabololwa gore batho ba bone ditsha. tswa mo kgaolong ya Boteti East kana Boteti ka bophara. Mr Chairperson, Rre Mzwinila o ntse a bua gore go Ke nngwe ya dikgaolo tse di sokolang. Santlha fela ke na le madi a a kana ka P327 million a a dirisiwang for supe gore go na le mathata a mantsi kwa Letlhakane land servicing. Fa ke lebile, mafelo a madi a a yang go Sub-Land Board. Ke ne ke eletsa gore mo mading a o dirisiwa mo go one ke ditoropo le the peri-urban areas. leke go thusa. Ke tsaya gore spatial plan se nna kwa O ne a bua bo Tsolamosese le Metsimotlhabe. O bona ofising ya lona ka koo Tona. gore rona kwa dikgaolong re beilwe ka fa mosing. So, re Go botlhokwa thata gore spatial plan se, re se bale fa re kopa gore Rre Mzwinila a tlhamalale gore rona o ne a re ntse re implement se se lebaganyeng le maphata a rona. kgaolela mo kgannyeng e ya land servicing. Se a supa gore motse wa Letlhakane, ga se motse o o ka tsewang as an ordinary village, ka ntata ya mines tse di Ke ya kwa bokhutlong Mr Chairperson. Go na le re dikologileng. kgang e ntsi ya metsi e e leng mathata mo lefatsheng le. Rre Mzwinila o a itse gore ke selelo se se teng mo Re na le letlhoko le le tona la metsi a a tlhatswitsweng lefatsheng. Le fa a kwadile kwa Paragraph 58 gore le Mr Chairperson. Ke supe gore ke keletso ya rona gore rona re tlaa bona metsi a a tswang kwa re gokelwe le rona, go nne le a pipeline which runs from kwa Nkange Constituency, mme go santse go na le the dams tse di leng teng ka kwa North, kwa Tonota le selelo Rre Mzwinila gore we need short term solutions. Ntimbale. Re tsaya gore it is a short distance, tshielo ya

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rona ya metsi e e leng teng gompieno kwa metseng ya board. Fa o tsaya metse ya Mosu, Mokubilo, Mmea, rona ke ya didiba, ga e sustainable, ka e bile re bapile Mokgaba le Khwee, e dikologile motse ya Letlhakane. thata le matswai. Jaanong se se re supegetsa gore mo Motse wa …(Inaudible)… dingwageng tse di tlang, re tlaabo re na le mathata a mantsi a letlhoko la metsi. MR CHAIRPERSON: Ba a go konopa.

MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o konopiwa ke MOLAO): Procedure. Thank you Mr Chairperson. Molao. Nothing particularly wrong with the procedure, I just MR LELATISITSWE: …(Inaudible)… gape re supe sought to say as a party, I thought we submitted a list in Mr Chairperson gore …(Inaudible)…land servicing a the order of how we will debate. I do not know whether dule …(Inaudible)… gompieno dilo tse ga di diragale you have the list as presented in which you were to Mr Chairperson. Ke dingwe tse di tshwenyang fela follow. thata.

MR CHAIRPERSON: I do. O dia nako fa o dira jalo. Sewage reticulation; dikompone tse di tona rra di teng MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr kwa motseng wa Letlhakane tse di ka bong di direla Chairperson. Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka kgang … Batswana ditiro. Motse o ga o na kgopho ya metsi a a (Inaudible)… Tona wa Metsi, segolo jang mo motseng leswe, ke dikgang tse di ka yang go tlhamela Batswana o o …(Inaudible)… ditiro, ka gore mongwe le mongwe o tsamaela koo a re o ya go batla tiro. Go tswa mo dikgaolong tsotlhe MR CHAIRPERSON: You are lost Minister. tsa Mapalamente one a a tletseng mo Palamenteng a, … (Inaudible)…ministry o tshwanetse go se lebelela. Ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: O loilwe ke Molao. ne ke bua le Board Secretary ke re nako e tsile ya gore jaanong re thuse Mme Peggy Serame, a re lekeng gore MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee, ke dumalana le wena. O ka re di batlele spatial boards. Batho ba kgone go bewa ka emisa motho fela, fa a tswa fa a bo a timela. bonako ba direle Batswana ditiro.

MR LELATISITSWE: …(Inaudible)…o tlhokana le… Kgang e nngwe e e teng, e ke dumelang gore gongwe e (Interruptions)… ama Land Policy Mr Chairperson ke gore, go a tshwenya gore fa Batswana ba re ba fapaanela ditsha, motho a HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bua dipuo tsa boloi le tlhabolotse a tsentse terata, go bo gotwe o tshwanetse wena Mr Chairperson? gore a ntshe tema a supe gore o a lema mo masimo, MR CHAIRPERSON: Ga ke ise ke di bue, ke rile ee. ke dikgang tse di tshwenyang, mme kana gompieno go na le integrated farming. Batho fa ba batla go fetola MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Chairperson, o a bua ka lefatshe …(Inaudible)… e ne e le tshimo ya temo … koo? (Inaudible)… go ntsha setlhare sepe mo tshimong, mme …(Inaudible)… jalo Mr Chairperson gore Tona, madi ke MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, re reeditse wena. ao, mme rra leba Kgaolo ya Boteti o itse gore e ka thusa MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Chairperson, there is too Goromente, e ka thusa Rre Matsheka ka …(Inaudible)… much interruption. Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke isa ditlamelo tsa lephata…(Inaudible)…Batswana ba supe gore kwa Letlhakane go na le lebaka batho ba sa kgaolo ele ke Batswana ba ba tshwereng madi ka diatla, bewe ditsha, mme kana lefatshe lotlhe la Botswana, e they have money in their pockets, ba diiwa fela ke kabo seng batho ba Boteti fela, ba fudugela kwa motseng ya lefatshe. Madi a teng rraetsho, ga se mo gotweng madi wa Letlhakane ka dipalo. Gompieno land board ya ga a yo. Ke ne ke rialo ke re, leka go thusa mokwaledi Letlhakane e tsaya lebaka le le leele e sa beye ditsha. wa land board kwa Letlhakane, empower him, mo neele …(Inaudible)… lebaka Mr Chairperson, ba na le only batho gore a thuse batho ba kgaolo eo. Re leboge Mr one land registration officer. Land officer yo ba neng Chairperson gore …(Inaudible)… kwa Mmatshumo … ba na le ene is transferred, but there is no replacement (Inaudible)…projects…(Inaudible)… Mr Chairperson. Ke dilo tse ministry o di itseng, mme MR CHAIRPERSON: …(Inaudible)... jaanong go dira gore peo ya ditsha e pale gotlhelele, ka gore …(Inaudible)… kwalela minutes batho ba land MR LELATISITSWE: …Mr Chairperson!

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MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke ne ke re leka go tima video. gore re boele mo go four kana three kilometres between boreholes. Batswana ba leke go tsena mo diphatlheng. MR LELATISITSWE: Ke time video? Le one masimo re fokotse from 16 hectares re boele kwa MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee, gongwe go tlaa nna botoka. go bo 10 hectares gore Batswana ba le bantsi ba kgone go bona lefatshe. Se le sone ke sengwe se se tshwenyang MR LELATISITSWE: Okay. Mr Chairperson … Mr Chairperson mme ke tsaya gore Tona o nkutlwile. (Inaudible)… ke rialo ke re gongwe ka one madi a, ke Ke ne ke latlhela fela go le kalo mo kabong e ya madi. bona fa o supile gore nngwe e tlaa simolola. A go nne le Ke a leboga. boammaaruri rraetsho, e simologe, gongwe e tlaa tla e re thusa go dira sewage reticulation mo motseng o jaaka MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR o supa gore matamo, o ikaelela gore ka kgwedi ya May, MOLAO): Ke a go leboga Mr Chairperson. Mma ke projects di bo di simolola. Se re ka se lebogela thata re le supe gore ke ema nokeng mokaulengwe mo kopong ya batho ba Kgaolo ya Boteti. Go tlhatswa metsi, kabo ya gagwe. Ke supe gore kgaolo e ke tswang kwa go yone ditsha, eo ke yone mmangmang kwa motseng wa rona. ya Shashe West, ke kgaolo e ke leng moemedi wa yone Mathata ga se sepe, lefatshe le teng, mathata ke ofisi lekgetho la boraro, e bile ke solofela gore le mo go tse di ya gago e mokwaledi a lelang a re ga a na badiredi. Ke tlang ke tlaa tswelela ke le moemedi wa yone. tsaya jalo gore o ka mo thusa ka dintlha tse, ra fokotsa Ke supe gore tota fela re kgaolo e e tswang kgakala …(Inaudible)… e ya Letlhakane, mo kgaolong ya ditlhabololo di sa goroge mo go yone ka selekanyo se Mmatshumo, Mosu, Mokubilo, Makgaba, batho ba sale re se eletsang kante se batho ba se eletsang. Re tswa ba ema. Motse wa Makgaba ke motse o mosha o banana kgakala re ntse jalo re le pelotelele, re solofela mo go ba teng nako le nako ba a mpotsa gore, “Mopalamente, Goromente, re tshepha gore Goromente o tlaa tlisa ditsha re di fiwa leng?” Fa ke tsena gone kwaland board ditlhabololo kwa kgaolong ya rona. ke re ke a botsa, ba re, “Mopalamente, kana dikgang tse re sala re di neela ba ministry re ba supegetsa letlhoko Mma ke simolole pele ka go lebogela metsi a a la rona kwano, mme go lebega go le thata gore re ka gorositsweng kwa Chadibe, Borolong le Shashe Mooke thusiwa.” a ntshiwa mo pipeline e e tswang Francistown e tsena ka Mathangwane gore nnyaa jaanong batho ba Chadibe, Jaaka ke buile, ke kopa fela gompieno mo Palamenteng Borolong le Shashe Mooke ga ba lale ba foletse metsi gore a spatial plan se se leng mo ofising ya lona, le se bosigo jaaka go ne go ntse. Selo se re tshwanetse ra se sale morago, ditlhabololo di tsamaisiwe ka sone. This lebogela le gore kompone e e neng e re direla metsi a e report was done by independent people ba ba neng ba dirile ka botswerere, ya dira ka nako e e neng e beilwe. lebeletse gore lefatshe le gore ditlhabololo tsa teng di Batho ba metse e ba a kgona go nwa, ba a kgona go tsamaisiwe sentle, go dirwe jang. Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tlhapa jaanong ba tshwana le batho ba metse e mengwe. tse ke eletsang thata nako le nako le fa ke robetse gore, Re a itse gore re ne re solofetse gore go tlaa re go ope yo o tsenang mo ofising eo, a sale spatial plan morago. Se supa gore re ka isa ditlhabololo kae, leng, go tswelelwe jaanong pipeline e nngwe ya Mathangwane, lebilwe le dipalo tsa batho le activities tse di leng koo. Makobo, Natale le Jamataka e bo e ka dirwa morago ga Go tlhabisa ditlhong gore motse o o kana ka… yone e ya Chadibe le Borolong. Re a itse gore madi a a tlhaela mme kopo ya rona Tona ke gone gore e re madi Go tlhabisa ditlhong gore motse o o kana ka Letlhakane, a tlhaela, a e re re emetse go batla madi a a lekaneng go o o fa gare ga mines tse di kana, re bo re santse re e nwa dira pipeline kana Phase 2 ya project e, mme go okediwe metsi a didiba, e bile a le letswai Mr Chairperson. Ke dipompo kwa ditankeng tse di kwa Mathangwane kante sone se e leng gore e re fa re santse re emetse pipeline e e go tsenngwe mo go ka bitswang gotwe booster pumps tlaabong e tswa ka kwa Tonota kana gone ka kwa North, tse di ka dirang gore… gongwe o re tlisetse a treatment plant e e ka tlhatswang MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Dr Gobotswang is metsi one a a tswang mo didibeng mo kgaolong yone ele asking for clarification. ya rona. Ke rialo ke re mafoko a ne a se mantsi, ke re rra ke go eme nokeng. Lefatshe le fedile, a re simololeng go MR MOLAO: Denied. Jaanong kgang e e leng teng ke kgaola dipolase e nne four by four go bapa le didiba. A ya gore fa go ka tsenngwa booster pumps kwa ditankeng go tswe mo go six kilometres, re tswa kwa go 10, ra tsena tse di kwa Mathangwane, kana metsi a a neng e ntse a mo go eight, ra tsena mo go six, jaanong e ke nako ya fetela kwa Chadibe, Borolong le Shashe Mooke jaanong

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a ka kgona gore a pompiwe ka bokete a ye kwa Makobo, go fokoletsa selelo se se kanakana sa Water Utilities sa Natale le kwa Jamataka. Ke se e leng gore re a se kopa gore e kolotiwa madimadi a bills. Le bone batsadi kwa ka nakwana gore se dirwe Tona, metse, bogolo jang gae golo mo go ka ba thusa gore ba se ka ba nna ba lela Natale le Jamataka e kgone go bona metsi a a lekaneng ba lelela gore bills di kwa godimodimo mme metsi ba ka gore ba a tlhaelelwa mo nakong ya gompieno. Seo re sa a bone ka selekanyo se ba se eletsang. Ke re selo solofela gore se tlaa dirwa. Le gone go atolosa moalo se ba Water Utilities le lephata la gago gongwe ba se wa metsi kwa Jamataka gore batho ba tle ba kgone go a potlakele ba se dire. Se ka fokotsa selelo se se kalokalo bona gaufi. Ke sengwe se e leng gore se re solofetse mo se se leng teng. lephateng la gago Tona. Ke batla go gatelela kgang ya land servicing. Kgaolo Ke lebogele gape gore project e re tswang kgakala re e ya rona, fa o tsaya motse wa Mathangwane, Chadibe, solofetsa batho ya World Bank ya letamo la Ntimbale e Borolong le Shashe Mooke, go na le plan e bidiwa bo e tsweletse mme go na le tsholofelo ya gore kgwedi Greater Francistown. Tsholofelo ke gone gore e re e ya August, batho ba Nshakazhogwe, Sebina, Marobela, tsentswe mo lenaneong lone la Greater Francistown, Mafungo/Hubona, Marapong le Semitwe ba bo ba metse e e tlaa kgona go bona land servicing gore le bona metsi a a phepa a a lekaneng. Ke re selo se ke go dikompone tse di tlhokang lefatshe kwa Francistown ba rotloetse gore o tsenye leitlho go lebelela gore kompone kgone go tla go bona ditsha kwa bo Mathangwane, bo e e re direlang metsi mo metseng yone e, e e leng gore Chadibe, Borolong le Shashe Mooke, ba dire dikgwebo e tswa kgakala batho ba le mo leshekereng le le seng tse di ka re hirelang batho ba metse e ka gore gompieno ka sepe le le santseng le le teng gompieno re emetse lefatshe is not serviced. pipeline gore e fele. Re a itse gore there is bowsing mme fela bowsers ga di re lekane kwa Mafungo/Hubona, Sub-land boards tse pedi; Tonota le Marapong kana Semitwe, Marapong le bo Marobela. ke selelo se e leng gore se teng lefatshe lotlhe gore ga re kgone go aba ditsha jaaka re ne re solofeditse batho E re ntswa go pompiwa metsi a a tswang kwa didibeng ka yone kgang ya gore go tshwanetse gore go dirwe tse di kwa Maitengwe, le one ga a lekane. Motlakase o mealo, go dirwe plans, go dirwe dilo tse tsotlhe. Ke re na le go kgaoga kgapetsakgapetsa, pipeline e na le go a mogopolo o re ntseng re o buisana wa gore gongwe senngwa ke batho, mo gongwe e senngwa ke ditlou. fela go dirwe very minimal land servicing ditsha di Ke selelo se e leng gore se a re tshwenya gompieno. bo di abiwa, re o potlakele. Batho ba tle ba kgone go Mme fela ke dumela gone gore re lela jaana jaanong bontshiwa fa ba ka bayang mekhukhunyana ya bone re na le tsholofelo ka gore re a bona ditiro tsa pipeline teng, ba kgone go ikagela le fa ditlhabololo tse dingwe ya Ntimbale di dirwa gore metse yone ya kgaolo ya tse di tseneletseng di ise di goroge. Selo se se ka fokotsa mela e meleele ya batho ba ba emetseng ditsha. me e tle e bone metsi. Ke sengwe se e leng gore re se solofeditse batho mme re a se diragatsa. Re a se lebogela Kgaolo ya me ke nngwe e e amegileng fela thata gore ngwaga o e tlaa re o ya fifing batho ba metse e go simolola kwa Nshakazhogwe go ya go ema kwa jaanong ba bo ba kgona go nwa, ba kgona go tlhapa, Matsitama go ya go feta Borolong, Chadibe, Jamataka, ba kgona go dira ditlhabololo tse dingwe tsa bone, ba Mathangwane le kwa bo Mafungo/Hubona. batho ba sa sa sotlege jaaka ba sotlega gompieno. Seo ke a se go abelwe ditsha go ntse gotwe re emetse mealo, re emetse akgolela Tona gore re tswelele ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. mealo. Selo se se dia ditlhabololo tse e leng gore batho ba ka ikagela bonno jwa bone. Ke re re se potlakele Kgang e nngwe e tona e ke batlang go e lebelela ke gone Tona, re tlaa go ema nokeng. gore lebelela Tona, batho ba lela ka water bills tse di tlang di le kwa godimodimo fa gongwe mme go nna Ke batla gore e re ke ya go wetsa ke gatelele yone kgang lebaka go sena metsi. Ke re gongwe fa le ka lebelela la e e leng gore kana lefatshe ga le oketsege, rona batho re a kopisa kwa go ba motlakase ka fa ba neng ba dira ka oketsega. Kgang e e builwe ke Honourable Lelatisitswe, teng, ga nna le prepaid metres tsa metsi, motho a kgona ke tle ke e gatelele ya gore a re fokotseng selekanyo sa go itse gore tota ka kgwedi ke nwa metsi a selekanyo bo six by six mo didibeng, re fologe gongwe re ye kwa se se kana, a kgone go a ithekela. E re fa metsi a go bo four, gongwe re ye kwa go bo three gore batho ba kgaogile a seyo, motho a bo a kgona go itse gore nnyaa tle ba nne le didiba tse e leng gore ba ka kgona go nna go raya gore nna ke nna ke sa duelang metsi kgotsa ke le botshelo kwa merakeng, go sa twe go ganelelwe fela nna ke sa rekang metsi a a lekaneng. Sone seo se ka kwa go six by six ka gore lefatshe lone ga le gole.

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Kgang e nngwe e tona ke yone ya go sega tsone dipolase. fenya kgang e. Lefatshe ka bo lone rra, le neela motho Malatsi a management fela wa leruo, motho o kgona seriti. Fa o na le lefatshe, le fa e le plot e sa tlhabololwa, gore a na le just one by one kilometre a bo a ka nna le o ikutlwa o le motho, o nonofile. Fa o bua le ba bangwe, dikgomo fela tse di lekaneng kgotsa leruo e le bo dipodi, o ka itshupa gore mme ke na le setsha. go tswa fela gore the management o a o tsenyang ke o o ntseng jang. “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP”

Sone se se ka thusa gore batho ba ba botlana bogolo jang MR CHAIRPERSON (MR PULE): Honourable banana, ba kgone go bona dipolase tsa one by one, two Lucas! by two, three by three and four by four. Go tswa gore MR LUCAS: Rra? management ke yo o ntseng jang. Segologolo sa gore polase e nne six by six, ke gone e ka nnang le dipoelo, MR CHAIRPERSON: Good afternoon Honourable ga se sa tlhole se na le boammaaruri. Go na le batho ba Members. Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe, Member re ka ba supang e le examples, ba ba nang le masimo a of Parliament (MP) for Boteti East, is standing on a mannye, mme leruo la bone, a ke dihutshane, le le ntsi point of order. go feta the normal ranch e batho ba tlholang ba e bua ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND gore o ka rua leruo le le kana, mo selekanyong se se WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Point of order. kana sa lefatshe, go tswa fela. Batho bangwe ba lemela Thank you so much Mr Chairperson. I think the House leruo la bone, and feed di le mo masakeng kgotsa mo will be out of order for the Honourable Member to say, masimong. Jaanong selo se, re se lebelele. Re kgone go Ministry of Health and Wellness deleted sengwe le sega lefatshe, batho ba kgone go rua bogolo jang banana sengwe sa botsogo kwa Bobonong. I think he was part ba ba sa boneng lefatshe. Re ba tlhofofaletse ka gore, of the Mid-Term Review. O ne a le teng fa re fetisa Mid- Agriculture ke gone kwa re ka sielang letlhoko la ditiro Term Review. E fetisitswe ke Palamente. O ne o na le teng. Re fokotsa import bill ya dijo tse re di rekang go dikgang tse di neng di … (inaudible) … ntse ka teng. tswa kwa mafatshe a mangwe ka lone lephata le. Ke go eme nokeng Tona ka mafoko a a kalo. Ke a leboga Mr MR LUCAS: Ke tsaya gore o emisitse nako Mr Chairperson. Chairperson.

MR LUCAS (BOBONONG): Ke a leboga Mr MR LELATISITSWE: Go raya go ntse … Chairperson. Ke simolole ka gore, Tona o supile gore (inaudible)… dilo tseo. Priorities of the ministry di ne metse ya Lepokole, Gobojango, Semolale, Mabolwe le tsa fetisiwa ke Ntlo e. Motlhabaneng would connect kwa Thune Dam, jaanong ke go leboge. Ke mo kgatelelong e tona thata go tswa MR LUCAS: O emisitse nako Mr Chairperson? mo metseng eo. Fa o bua kgang e, ke tsaya gore ba metse eo ba reeditse. Kgosi kwa Lepokole ke tsaya MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee rra. That is in order. When gore o reeditse. O a utlwa gore Tona o solofeditse. Sir we do a point of order, we stop nako ya gago. Honourable Wonder kwa Semolale le ene ke tsaya gore o a utlwa Lelatisitswe! gore Tona o solofeditse, gongwe re tlaa nna lesego mo MR LELATISITSWE: Chairperson. nakong. Project e, a e itlhaganedisiwe, batho ba bolawa ke lenyora Tona. Go tsere lebaka le le leele gore metse MR CHAIRPERSON: I do not think it is a point of e ke e badileng e, to connect to Thune Dam. Rra, ke go order to be honest. I think you wanted to correct him. leboge ka gore ga wa tshwana le bale ba Botsogo. Ba Gakere that is his view, then you should have stood on a phimotse sengwe le sengwe se se amanang le botsogo point of correction, gore o mo reye o re, nnyaa rraetsho, mo Bobirwa. O ne wa re tlogelela matlhotlhora ao. ga go a nna jalo. This is the truth about the situation in Bobonong. Honourable Lucas, go ahead. Ke supe jaana gore o a itse gore kgwetlho ya lefatshe le ya kabo ditsha e tona, bogolo jang ditsha tsa bonno. O MR LUCAS: Mr Chairperson, maikaelelo a gagwe ke re bolelela gangwe le gape gore go na le batho ba ba ka go leka go nkgopakgopetsa le go nkgoreletsa. Tona o tshwarang 600 000 ba ba emetseng ditsha mo lefatsheng utlwile gore ka re o tshwanetse a fefoga, go bona gore la Botswana. Kgang e, e batla o e emele ka dinao. O re batho ba ba 600 000 ba lefatshe la Botswana, ba ba bolelele dinako tse e leng gore ka tsone, o ikaelela go senang ditsha, ba a di bona.

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Ke supe gape gore mo kgaolong ya rona ya Bobirwa, Go na le bothata kwa kgaolong ya Bobirwa jo ke tshelang go thata. Mo metseng yotlhe ya kgaolo ya Bobirwa kwa ke bo bua le wena Tona jwa gore go na le lefatshe la beng ntle ga Molalatau, kabo ya ditsha e ntse e sa diragadiwe ba lone. Freehold land e e leng gore bontsi jwa lone ga dingwaga di ka tshwara supa, mo mafelong a mangwe di bo dirisiwe gotlhelele, e bile beng ba lone ba bangwe ka tshwara lesome. Mo Bobonong go na le batho ba le ga ba nne mono. Ka jalo, lefatshe leo le sekasekiwe go 10 000 ba ba emetseng ditsha mme ba le 200, ke ba ba bonwe gore, a Puso e ka se ka ya reka dipolase tse di neng ba abelwa mo nakong e khutshwane e e sa tswang tshwanang le tseo gore go tle go atolosiwe mahudiso le go feta. Go raya gore re na le backlog e e gakgamatsang masimo mo go lone. Metse e tshwana le Moletemane, ya kabo ya ditsha. Mafelo a a tshwanang le Lepokole, Tsetsebjwe, Mathathane le Motlhabaneng, ga e sa tlhole Semolale, Gobojango, Mabolwe, Motlhabaneng, e na le mahudiso. Ga e sa tlhola e na le gope kwa bathong Mathathane, Tsetsebjwe le Moletemane, re na le bothata ba ka bonang ditsha tsa masimo teng. Gone moo ka bo jwa ditsha tse di sa abiweng. Go tsere lebaka le le gone, go tshwanetse ga salwa morago. leele. Bana ba rona ba nna le batsadi mo malwapeng MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lucas, there is a ba kgorotlhane. Seemo seo se tlisa dikgotlhang mo request for clarification from Honourable Healy. malwapeng. Go tlaare o se tsibogele, o se itlhaganele. Re a itse gore go bo go na le tlhaelo e e kanakana, bothata jo MR LUCAS: Denied Mr Chairperson. Ke tswelele bo ka nnang teng ke gore, e rile fa o setse o tlhopha land pele ke re go tshwanetse go nne le …(inaudible)… e e boards maloba, wa bo o ganeletse thata kwa Domkrag. faphegileng ya gore mo lefatsheng le le sa dirisiweng, O tsenya ba phathi ya gago. Ga re itse dinonofo tsa bone. gone mo dipolase tse di dikaganyeditseng Bobirwa, Re tlaabo re ntse re etse tlhoko gore a mme ba tlaa kgona lefatshe le Puso e batle tsela ya gore e le reke le kgone go dirisiwa ke batho for temo kgotsa go fudisa. dikgang tse di thata tse. Ga re ka ke ra nna le lefatshe le le owned ke batho ba Tona, go na le kgang e ke e tle ke e bue le wena ya seyo mono, mme gape ba sa le kgethele. Section 39 ya Tribal Land Act, e o tshwanetseng gore o e ele tlhoko. Molao o o lekang go kgaoganya lefatshe Mr Chairperson, go na le bothata jo bongwe gape jwa ka tiriso ya lone, o supa gore ga o ka ke wa lema kwa gore, gone mo dikgaolong tsa rona, go na le metsi a re morakeng. Go a gakgamatsa, e bile ga go botlhale gore tshwanetseng gore re ka bo re a kgaogana le mafatshe, gotwe kwa morakeng ga o ka ke wa lemela dikgomo bogolo jang South Africa; a Limpopo a a dirisiwang kgotsa dihutshane tsa gago dijo. Re dumela gore kwa fela ke boradipolase tsa freehold. Batho ba dikgaolo tsa morakeng, o ka lemela leruo la gago dijo. Fa go ntse Bobirwa, Tswapong North and South, bo Mahalapye jalo, molao wa Section 39 wa Tribal Land Act, ga o East, ba na le bothata jwa gore ba tswaleletswe noka ke letlelele. Seemo se, se a tshwenya. Se tshwanetse sa dipolase. Ka jalo, metsi a a mo nokeng ya Limpopo a salwa morago. Ra bona gore re baakanya molao o gore dirisiwa fela ke ba dipolase le ba ka kwa South Africa, go kgonagale gore ba ba kwa morakeng, ba lemele leruo ba ba ka kwano Botswana, ga ba kgone go dirisa one metsi ao. Go tlhokafala gore go dirwe corridors tse di la bone dijo. Gone kwa merakeng fa motho a itiretse letlang Batswana le bone ka kwano gore ba tle ba kgone serokolonyana sa one hectare, two hectares, a itemetse go dirisa lefatshe le yone noka ya Limpopo gore ba nose dijo tsa itshetso, go tshwanetse ga letlelesega. Batho mo go yone, ba kgone ba tshware ditlhapi, kgotsa ba ba a kgokgontshiwa mo mafelong a a tshwanang le dirise metsi ka tsela epe e ba bonang go tlhokafala gore Lekgolwe, Seokeng le Makadibeng gatwe ba tharolole ba ka dirisa metsi one ao. So mo bogompienong metsi a diterata tsa dirokolonyana tse ba di dirileng, ba leka go Limpopo a akolwa ke lefatshe le le lengwefela le batho ijesa ba le kwa merakeng. Gone moo, re tshwanetse ra go ba lefatshe lone leo. Ke supe gape gore ... sekaseka. Batho ba setse ba simolotse go babalelwa ke go nna le metse e mentsi, a nna le legae, moraka le masimo. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lucas, there is a Yo o itlhokomelelang dilo tsa gagwe kwa morakeng, request from Honourable Motsamai for clarification. fa gongwe o tlhoka gore a nne le serokolonyana se se MR LUCAS: Ee rraetsho. Rre Motsamai, a ko o nne kaenyana, se a ka ipeelang temanyana e a ka nnang a ja mokhutshwane motho wetsho. foo. Re kgala yo o tsenang kwa morakeng a gogorupa lefatshe le se kana ka sepe. O lema gone koo mme ba MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification. Tanki Mr Speaker. ba itirelang dijo mo go botlana, re ne re re ba se ka ba Ka bofefo jo bo kalo, a ko o sedimose le kgang e ya kgorelediwa. Land Administration Procedures, Capacity and Systems

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(LAPCAS), e go kileng ga direlwa batho certificates tsa ka bofefo jo bo ka kgonagalang. Re a itse kgang e, re e ditsha, gotwe di dirwa gore e nne title deed; fa o batla buile ka boleejana Mr Chairperson, le ka nako e re neng sengwe le sengwe, o batla go tsaya madi kwa dibankeng, re buisa ba land policy; revising 2015 Land Policy. Re o ka dirisa dipampiri tse, gore di tsamaya fa kae? Tona e buile ka boleejane gore a ko access to land re leke a tlhalose. Tanki. go tokafatsa seemo se se teng mo nakong ya gompieno. Motswana ga a tshwanela go tsaya close to 18 years a MR LUCAS: Rraetsho, ke kgang e e tshwenyang, e bile santse a emetse setsha sa bonno. o ka se ka wa tlhola o utlwa thaloso sentle gore yone LAPCAS ele e eme fa kae, mme kana e ne e ka thusa Ideally Mr Speaker, ditsha re ka di aba botoka fa di le fa e ne e le gore ditlankana tse di neelwang batho mo serviced, di na le ditlamelo tsotlhe tsa bo ditsela, metsi, lefatsheng la morafe, di ne di ka dirisiwa gore motho ditlamelo le metakase. Re a itse gore go thata jaaka Tona a kgone go ikopela loan kwa bankeng fela jalo. Kana a setse a supile gore go ya go tlhokana le madi a mantsi tse di leng teng gompieno, fa o se isa kwa ABSA, First gore re tlamele gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe a National Bank (FNB), ba tsaya fela gore ke pampitshana tle a bone lefatshe le le tlametsweng. Tshwetso e re e fela e e senang mosola. Go botlhokwa thata gore kgang tsayang kgotsa e Tona a e tsereng ya gore jaanong re eo re e sale morago, re e ele tlhoko. tswelele re abe even in areas tse e leng gore are not serviced, ke bona e le maleba, go tlaatla go tokafatsa Ke feleletse kgang ya me ka gore, freehold land areas seemo se re iphithelang re le mo go sone, se Batswana, tse di kwa bo Tati East, Tati West, tse di dikologileng segolo jang banana Mr Speaker, o fitlhelang ba sena bo Francistown, fa o lemoga, batho ba teng fa ba setse lefatshe la bonno le mo nakong ya gompieno. Re a itse ba rekisa lefatshe leo, gantsinyana ba rekisa e le ka bo gore go turu, but Honourable Minister, leka thata. bone fela, ba rekisetsa makgoa a mangwe. Go thata tota gore e re o le motho o tshwana le Honourable Speaker Honourable Minister, leka to improve coordination ya jaana, o kgone go reka lefatshe lone leo la freehold. makalana otlhe a a amegang mo tshimologong ya to O fitlhela go itebagantswe fela gore le rekwa ke ba ba identify a puzzle of land, e bo e ka direlwa base map to sikanang le those who own dipolase tsone tseo. Golo mo the final stage e e leng gore Motswana o ya go kgona go tshwanetse go tlhotlhomisiwe, go itsiwe gore tota gore a bone lefatshe leo after ba physical planning, ba mme ba advertise go rekisa lefatshe le kae ka gore mo council ba sena go nna ba survey. We have had reports metlheng fa ba rekisa lefatshe leo, le felelela le rekilwe Mr Speaker tsa ba land boards, ba ikuela gore fa ba setse ke ba gagabo. Seemo se re tshwanetse re se tlhotlhomise ba dirile base map, gongwe tiro e ya survey, e a bo e dule ka gore rona ka kwano re pitlagane, dipolase tsa mo diatleng tsa bone, e le mo makalaneng a mangwe maesemane di re pitlagantse, di re itsa botshelo, mme e jaaka gongwe council, mo gongwe go nne le madiadia a bo e re go ntse jalo, re bo re sa kgone go dirisa lefatshe kwa phelelong a dirang gore go diege go abela Motswana leo, batho ba le bone gape ba bo ba sa kgone go kgethela setsha. Ke ne ke re coordination ya makalana a, buisana lefatshe leo. Go botlhokwa thata gore freehold land mo le balekane ba gago mo maphateng ka go farologana ga kgaolong ya rona ya Bobirwa, e elwe tlhoko, Babirwa one, gore a tomagano e nne teng gore access to land re e ba kgone go nna le seabe mo lefatsheng le le ka kwano. fefose, Batswana ba tle ba bone ditsha.

Ka mafoko a a kalo Mr Speaker, ke a leboga. Kgang e nngwe e ke tla eletsang gore Motlotlegi Minister le yone a e lebelele, ke ya to decentralise services tsa ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY lephata la gagwe la Lands. Fa o ka lebelela Department EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND of Lands in the northern region, it is serviced ke office TECHNOLOGY (MR SHAMUKUNI): Ke a go e e mo Francistown. Office e e mo Francistown is leboga Mr Speaker. Tlaa le nna ke eme nokeng kopo ya managing state land kwa Kasane. Banni ba kgaolo ya ga Tona Mzwinila ya madi. Re mo rebole a ye go dira Kasane, Chobe, most cases will have to travel 500km ditiro tse a di kopileng. go ya kwaa Francistown to access certain services that are managed ke lephata la gago Honourable Mzwinila. Ntlha e ke tlaa eletsang go simolola ka yone, ke ya access to land. Ke go mo rotloetsa gore a ko a oketse My plea is let us decentralise. A ko re bone gore in maiteko a a setseng a supile a a simolotse, a a ka mo areas tse di tshwanang bo Kasane, can we not set up kgontshang gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe kwa a Department of Lands, fela e e ka tlisang ditlamelo tse leng teng, a kgone go bona setsha kana lefatshe la bonno tsotlhe tse Batswana ba eletsang gore ba di bone ka gore

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Kasane ke state land. It does not make sense gore mo Honourable Minister. Ke tseela gore ba kgaolo ya me nakong ya gompieno, toropo e e golang ka bokete jo ba di utlwile, re di lebogela go menagane, particularly bo kanakana, issues of land di bo di le managed from tsa water treatment. Water treatment ka gore mo Francistown. maitemogelong a rona mo bosheng Mr Chairperson, re etelwa ke metsi a a mebala e e tshosang mo dipompong Ke go lebogele interpretation ofthe new policy jaaka tse di kwa Kasane le Kazungula, re sa itse gore go dirwa o e kaile Honourable Mzwinila; o ntshitse clarity, the ke eng. It has raised issues tsa quality ya metsi gore interpretation ya some section tsa the policy e o neng a mme ke e e siameng. Batlhophi ba kgaolo ya Chobe o supa, le nna ke dumalana le wena gore Motswana ba nna le ketsaetsego, ba nteletsa letsatsi le letsatsi ka mongwe le mongwe o tshwanetse gore a nne le right to own a piece of land; tribal land le mo state land, either tsone. Ke tseela gore this water treatment plant e ntšha, o nyetswe, a o tsere lefatshe gongwe ka inheritance or e tlaa tla e tokafatsa seemo, batho ba bone metsi a a o ne o rekile, mme fela o le Motswana o tshwanelwa ke tlhapileng, a le clear, e seng a le cloudy and muddy jaaka gore o nne le a right ya gore o bone setsha le wena o se ba a dirisa mo nakong ya gompieno. filwe ke Puso, go sa kgatlhalesege gore a o kile wa reka, wa fiwa sengwe ka inheritance jalojalo. Ke ne ke re go Sewerage system ya Kasane le yone ke tseela gore e botlhokwa thata, segolobogolo jang bomme ba ba neng tshwanelwa ke to be rehabilitated. Spillages malatsi ba nyetswe, ba ba neng ba sa kgone go bona tshono eo a di all over. Le mo mafelong a e leng gore a ka go ya go ka bona ditsha ba le mo manyalong. tshwenya tota, fa gongwe o fitlhela bomathinthinyane wallowing mo spillages tsa sewerage go nkga, go sa nna Jaanong with the new policy, go a itumedisa gore ba ya sentle. Ke tseela gore gongwe system e e tlhokana le go nna le tshono ya go nna jalo. rehabilitation jaanong gore seemo se tle se siame. Mo gongwe e ganelela le mo ditsheng tsa batho, le gone There is a scenario e nngwe Honourable Minister, e ke moo it is giving us a problem. tlaa eletsang gore le wena o e lebelele. Gongwe jaaka re ntse re buisana ka Land Policy, e re ntse re tsamaya Ke tabogele mo go ya reaffirmation of international re ya pele re e lebelele, ya gore e re o filwe lefatshe boundaries. Ke leboge Minister gore we want to bring mo tribal land, say in an area e e leng gore gongwe e to conclusion issue ya border ya Kasane ya Kazungula bapile le an urban area, go bo go ka twe you cannot be Ferry le , re a itse gore e ratile go kgoreletsa given lefatshe mo tribal land kwa o tswang teng. Ke fa development ya bridge jwa rona. Ke eletsa thata gore an example; we know gore in urban areas go thata go please bring closure mo kgannyeng eo, re itse gore bona lefatshe Mr Chairperson, mme tribal areas tse di molelwane wa rona le Zimbabwe o wela fa kae. O tle o adjacent to these urban areas gongwe go motlhofo gore lebelele le reaffirmationya boundary ya Chobe West and Motswana a bone lefatshe. Ke go fa sekai; Kazungula o Mr Chairperson. There are issues arising, tse e bapile le Kasane, go motlhofo go ka bona lefatshe mo leng gore nako e e neng e dirwa gongwe consultations di tribal land mo Kazungula, o tswa kwa Parakarungu e ne di sa dirwa sentle. Mafelo a mangwe a a kwa bokone le gone legae la gago, kwa gaeno tota. Fa o filwe setsha kwa Satau le Parakarungu, go na le tumelo e ntsi fela ya kwa Kazungula, fa o ya kwa Parakarungu o ya go kopa gore a a kwa side ya Namibia jaaka Lake Zambezi jalo, setsha, kwa gaeno tota kwa o tlholegang teng, go bo gongwe bontsi jwa yone bo ya kwa side ya Namibia. gotwe we cannot allocate you land ka gore o filwe kwa Let us go back re bue le ba constituency ya rona Mr Kazungula, I think dikgang tsa go nna jalo re di lebelele. Chairperson, gongwe tharabololo e ka tla ya nna teng. Ba bangwe ba tswa kwa bo Pandamatenga, ba bone Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson. ditsha kwa bo Lesoma fela ka gore go bapile le toropo ya Kasane. Fa a boela kwa ga bone kwa Pandamatenga MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you honourable. I have kwa legaeng, kwa batsading ba gagwe gore a ye go kopa been informed that Honourable Thiite has been changed, setsha, go bo gotwe nnyaa ka gore re go file mo tribal so the floor is yours Honourable Rakgare. area e e bapileng le toropo, we cannot give you mo ga lona. Golo mo le gone re go lebelele, e kete go baya MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, Batswana ka fa mosing. SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson. Tlaa ke bue ka projects tsa land servicing le tsa metsi Ke leboga fela thata. Le nna ke ne ke re ke latlhele mo jaaka o ne o di kaya mo pegong ya gago Mr Chairperson, mafokong a ga Honourable Mzwinila. Fela gongwe tse di mo constituency ya me, gongwe ke go leboge jaaka ba bangwe ba ntse ba supa letshwenyego Mr

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Chairperson, ke supe jalo gore ke utlwile kgantele ba kgoromane mo malwapeng. Solution e ka nna gore Honourable Tshabang a bua ka seemo se se teng sa Honourable Mzwinila a abele batho ba Mogoditshane kabo ya lefatshe a lebile thata kgaolo ya Nkange, mme lefatshe, le fa go ka tswa go se serviced, tsa to service a bua gore waiting list e kwa go 16,000. Fa o re o a lefatshe, tseo di tlaa felela di tla kwa morago. lebelela Mr Chairperson, ga ke dumele gore go na le Ke itumetse gore at Paragraph 34 o umaka kgaolo ya lefelo lepe le ope fela a ka le tshwantshanyang le kgaolo Mogoditshane gore le yone e tlaa thusega mo project ya Mogoditshane fa re lebile waiting list gore e setse e ya North-South Carrier (NSC) e e dirwang. Ke ema kgoma bo 140,000. Ga ke dumele gore seemo se ke se mogopolo o nokeng. Re na le tsholofelo ya gore jaaka se siameng. Tota mme e re le ntswa ke riana, ke supe metsi a tlaabo a tla jaana Honourable Mzwinila, batho gore Honourable Mzwinila ke dikgang tse a di itseng, bagarona ba Ledumadumane ba ba mo lenyoreng, ba mme se se monate ke gore he is always willing to help. tsere sepe se ba neng ba na le sone ba agile matlo, ba Ke na le tsholofelo ya gore dikgang tse o tlaa leka itiretse. Bangwe ba e leng gore e bile go ne go sena yone gore a taboge ka tsone, a bone gore o thusa tšhaba ya kabo ya lefatshe jaaka e saletse kwa morago, ba kgonne Mogoditshane ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Ke seemo se se go anapa, ba batle plots, ba ipeele mesasana gone foo. Se setona se se palang kwa kgaolong e tshwana ngomolang pelo, se utlwisa botlhoko. When I first ran le ya Ledumadumane ke kgang ya metsi Honourable for elections in 2014, re ne re ntse re eme gone fa go Mzwinila. Ke dumela gore kgang e re e bonang kwa 140,000 Mr Chairperson, and five, six years down the Paragraph 34 e tlaa thusa tšhaba ya ga rona. line, re santse re eme fa go 140,000. Waiting list is not moving gotlhelele. It becomes very difficult gore o bo o Honourable Mzwinila, ga ke solofele gore re bo re santse ema fa pele ga batho o ba raya o re ke Mopalamente wa re ka kgona go bua ka mafelo a tshwana le Tlapalanoga, lona ke a le buelelela mme e le gore tota o leka bojotlhe, Ledumadumane… le ene motho wa Modimo Rre Mzwinila a dira bojotlhe MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, there is a mme go na le dingwe tse di mmofeletseng matsogo ka request for clarification. fa morago. Jaaka ke ntse ke supa Mr Chairperson, ke na le tumelo e e tletseng, ke itse bokgoni jwa gagwe, MR RAKGARE: From who? ke itse ka fa e leng gore selelo sa me ke sa gagwe ka MR CHAIRPERSON: From Honourable Motsamai. teng, selelo sa ba tšhaba ya Mogoditshane ke sa ga Honourable Mzwinila, ke na le tumelo e e tletseng ya MR RAKGARE: I do not have that time Mr gore o tlaa kgona gore a re tswe thuso. Chairperson. Can I continue, please. Mafelo a tshwana le Ledumadumane, Nkoyaphiri, Maolane, Bobididi, Kgang e bangwe ba ntseng ba e bua Mr Chairperson, ya Goo-Selaledi, go santse go na le batho ba ba dirisang gore a tota fela re ko re tswe mo dikgannyeng tsa gore pit latrines. Mo nakong ya gompieno o lebile Kgaolo fa go sena madi ga go na madi, re lebelele gore a re ka e tshwana le ya Mogoditshane, re e tle re bitswe gotwe kgona go neela batho lefatshe re sena go nna re bona we are part of Greater Gaborone, I do not think gore go gore mme gone re sega plots ka tsela e e ntseng jang, re siame gore re bo re le mo seemong se se ntseng jaana. ba tsenyetse metsi, re bo re ka ba baya. Ke dumela gore Ke kopa fela gore Honourable Mzwinila a bone gore kgang e go botlhokwa thata gore Honourable Mzwinila o dira jang ka kgang e e ntseng jaana. Ke bona gore jaaka a ntse a tlhola a supa, a e lebelele, a e sekegele tsebe Honourable Segokgo o kopa clarification,ene ke ka mo thata, a thuse tšhaba ya ga rona. Go tlhoka motlakase neela Mr Chairperson, fa e le yole ke go batla go nthoga le metsi mo ntlong ke ka go bolelela Mr Chairperson, fela. ke mongwe wa bana mo lefatsheng le ba ba goletseng kwa Mogoditshane re tshuba ka candle, mo gongwe ka MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND paraffin. Ke gelela metsi kwa kgotleng ya Tlapalanoga COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Tla ke go sena pompo mo lelwapeng. Dilo tse di ne tsa re leboge Chairperson, ke leboge Honourable Rakgare. fitlhela re ntse re tsweletse re tshela. Ke fa gompieno ke Tota le nna ke eletsa gore kgang e a e buang e ya go santse ke re go na le bana kwa Mogoditshane ba batsadi kgopha leswe mo dijarateng ke e ame ka gore o bua ka ba bone ba santseng ba hirisitse. Bangwe ba bone ga ba Mogoditshane, mme Mogoditshane kana ga a farologane na sepe gotlhelele, ga gona le fa e le fa ba bayang tlhogo thata le Tlokweng kwa go nang le dipeo tse di beilweng. teng, ba kopile boroko mo masikeng; bana le batsadi Ke a itse gore batho ba beilwe with minimal servicing,

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mme tota re na le seemo sa gore, kana re bua ka mafelo MR CHAIRPERSON: E-e! ga ke itse. Gakere o utlwa a re ka nnang ra fitlhela re otletse kg metsi a a ka fa ke re ga ke tsene mo dikgannyeng tsa teng. Ga ke tsene tlase, jaaka le ene a supa gore o tlhoka go tlhatswa kwa mo go tseo. Ramotswa. Ke mo kopa jalo le nna ke re… MR SEGOKGO: Mr Chairperson, tla ke wele. Ke MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Segokgo, there is wele fela ka go kopa jalo le nna gore, tota dikgaolo di a request for procedure from Honourable Gobotswang. tshwana le Maratanang, Letlapeng, Khayakholo, tse di leng kwa Tlokweng, ga di na kgopho ya metsi a a leswe, DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson. le tsone Tona a tle a di sekegele tsebe. Ke a leboga. Mr Chairperson, ga ke bone gore go tlaabo go le mo tsamaisong gore Honourable Rakgare e bo e re fa a bua MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, go ahead. ka Honourable Motsamai a bo a re ene ke yo o roganang. Ga ke bone gore go tlaabo go tlhamaletse gore re MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr letlelele seemo se e leng gore Motlotlegi yo mongwe e Chairperson. Ke ne ke rialo ke re, mme kgang ya ga… bile e le Tona, a bo a ka raya Motlotlegi Motsamai a re MR CHAIRPERSON: There is a request for procedure ke motho yo o roganang mo Palamenteng. Ke a leboga. from Honourable Boko.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa! nnyaa! o a mo pateletsa. MR BOKO: Ke kgantele Mr Chairperson, e ne ya Ga a ise a re ke motho yo o roganang. A re, “o ka nna tlhatswega, ga gona mathata. a nthoga,” ga a ise a re ke motho yo o roganang. Go farologane golo foo. “Ga ke mo neele, ka a ka nna a MR RAKGARE: O ba emise, ba bangwe ba dikgang nthoga”, so ga a ise a re o a rogana. Kana dilo tsa bone tsa bone ke tsone… ga ke batle go tsena mo go tsone thata, ga ke itse gore MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, can you ba bua jang fa ba bua mmogo. Honourable Segokgo. go ahead?

MR SEGOKGO: Mr Chairperson, ke solofela o MR RAKGARE: Ee rra, I am going ahead Mr babaletse nako ya mokaulengwe wa me, go raya gore Chairperson… ke nne mokhutshwanyane fela ke re, tota ntlha e a e MR CHAIRPERSON: Le wena o setse o latlhela buang, gakere tota se o se tshogang, sengwe sa dilo tseo dilonyana tse di…(Inaudible)…. O ijela nako. ke gore, le one metsi a a ka fa tlase ga lefatshe le tloga re a kgotlela. Re tloga re ama… MR RAKGARE: Ee rra. Ke ne ke re jaaka ke ne ke supa mafelo mo Kgaolong ya Mogoditshane Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Segokgo, there is Chairperson, a e leng gore tota ke selelo le khuranyo ya a request for procedure from Honourable Kekgonegile. meno, ga ke dumele gore go re baya sentle re le lefatshe MR KEKGONEGILE: Mr Chairperson, ga ke gore re bo re na le motse o tshwana le Mogoditshane… dumele gore se o se dirileng ke ruling. Se o se dirileng MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, there ke kakanyetso ya gore wena o mo utlwile jang, mme is a request from Honourable Nkawana. O kopa ga o a mo utlwa jaaka re mo utlwile. Ga o a mo utlwa clarification. jaaka Batswana ba mo utlwile. Honourable Rakgare, o tlhamaletse fela a re, Motsamai ke motho yo o tletseng MR RAKGARE: Nako ga e yo malome Honourable go rogana mo Palamenteng. Ga ke dumele gore go ka Nkawana. Fa e ne e le teng ke ka bo ke go neela siama gore… motsadi wa me, ke go rata thata. Mr Chairperson, ke re kgang e ke e e utlwisang botlhoko. Fa go na le kgang e MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Member, nnyaa! nngwe e e tshwenyang ke e e builweng ke Honourable nnyaa! Nako nngwe ga ke itse gore ke eng le dira gore o Molao, kgang ya water bills. Fa o lebelela Kgaolo kare motho ga a reetse. Le nna kana mo Palamenteng ke ya Mogoditshane ka fa e tshotseng thoto ya batho a reetsa. Ga a ise a re ke motho yo o roganang. He has ka teng, batho ba e leng gore go ya ka dipalopalo tsa not used those words. Fa e le gore le ganetsana le nna 2011, tshekatsheko e e neng e dirwa ke ba statistics, go re ka ya go tsaya Hansard. O rile, “o ka nna a nthoga.” supafala gore re fetwa ke motse wa Molepolole fela. Fa HONOURABLE MEMBER: O itse le go rogana? o re o a lebelela, ga se terese e bolaya motho kwa Water

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Utilities, batho ba ga rona ba ya gone koo ba ya go kopa sele, ga ke rra merogano. Jaanong fa o re wena ga gona go baakanyediwa water bills tse di kwa godimo, di kwa fa o tsenang teng Mr Chairperson, go tlaa tsena mang fa mankalengnkaleng. Ga ba kgone le gore ba ka itira eng wena o sa tsene? Ga gona Chairperson yo o tla tsenang. ka gore, bills tse o fitlhela e le gore motho ga a dirisa metsi a selekanyo sa madi a a bapisitsweng le bill ya MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Motsamai! gagwe. MR MOTSAMAI: Sir.

E nngwe kgang Mr Chairperson ka bonako ka gore MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke a ipoeletsa, ga ke tsene mo e setse e tsamaile ke ya gore, nako le nako fa go nna dikgannyeng tsa gago le Rakgare. le mathata a gore go bo go kgaolwa metsi, ba Water Utilities ba itidimalela fela. Ga o ka ke wa itse gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana o raya gore go metsi gatwe a kgaoletswe eng, a ya go boa leng? Batho roganwe fela mo Palamenteng go siame fela? ba rona fa metsi a kgaogile ba nna mo lenyoreng le mo MR CHAIRPERSON: Ga ke ise ke rialo. I do not want lefifing, ba sa itse le gore gatwe mme gone metsi a tlile to review my ruling. I have ruled gore ga ke tsene mo go boa leng. Communication ke golo mo go botlhokwa. kgannyeng eo. Ga ke tsene mo go yone, because I do not A ba etse ba bo Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) know what he means fa a re, “ga ke mo neele ka gore o ba nako le nako fa go nnile le kgaogo ya motlakase, ba tloga a nthoga.” I do not know what he means. Ke ne ke a supa gore mme gone motlakase will be restored mo raya lefoko le o reng o ne a re o a rogana. Fa a ne a rile nakong ya gore. jalo, yes, ke ka bo ke kgalemile.

Sa bofelo Mr Chairperson ka gore nako ya me e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke gana ruling gotwe tsamaile, ke tsela Honourable Minister Mzwinila ya ga ke tsene Mr Chairperson. Khudiring. Ke kile ka go kopa Honourable Minister, HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Ga ra tsamaya mmogo re na le Honourable Mmusi re ya go gona pharologanya between o a nthoga le o a rogana. bona tsela eo, mme ke ne ke buisa phuthego ya kgotla mo kgweding e e fetileng e, e le gore ba kompone eo ba MR CHAIRPERSON: Lona kana ke a le itse. itlama gore ba ya go dira tsela e ka bonako, February Honourable Lesedi, go ahead. a fela e tlaabo e siame. Batho ba kgaolo ya rona ya MR MOTSAMAI: Ke ne ke re ke go utlwile Mr Nkoyaphiri le Khudiring ba santse ba ntse ba sokola. Chairperson. Ba mo mathateng a gore fa dipula di nele ke makotlopo, MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Motsamai! you are kompone e gana go fetsa tsela. A ko o atamele batho out of order. I have made a ruling mo kgannyeng eo. ba, a ko re tseyeng dikgato. Batho ba ba neelwang Honourable Lesedi, go ahead. ditiro jaaka kompone e e tshwanang le yone e e bo e le gore ga ba a tlhoafalela go bereka, terminate their HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Interruptions!)… contract re neele yo mongwe yo o tlhoafaletseng go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr bereka Mr Chairperson. Re tle re kgone gore batho ba Chairperson. neelwe ditlamelo. Ke ne ke re ka ntata ya nako ka gore e tsamaile, ke a leboga. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Reatile le Honourable Rakgare. MR LESEDI (SEROWE SOUTH): Mma ke go leboge Chairperson. Tla ke tseye sebaka se Rraetsho go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Batho betsho, kana re tsena mo kopong e re e beilweng pele, mme ke rata go batla to debate tsweetswee. supa gore ke ema kopo e nokeng… MR REATILE: Point of procedure. Thank you Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: There is a request for point of Chairperson. Mr Chairperson, kgang ya budget e dicey order from Honourable Motsamai. ka gore nako e timed. Fa procedures le points of order di nna dintsi, di ja mo nakong e re tshwanetseng gore re ka MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Chairperson, dilo ga di tsamae bo re debate ka yone. Batlotlegi ba ba fano ba itse gore sentle. Ke a itse gore o ne wa dira ruling mongwame, ba tletse to clown mme rona re na le mathata a dikgaolo. mme kgalemela ngwana e se ka ya re ke kopa Re kopa gore tlhe nako e tlaa nna teng e re ka six o bo o clarification a bo a re, yoo ga a ye go bua sepe, o ema a ba bulela fela ba bo ba tswelela with their clowning Mr nthoga. O nketsha mo sethong, o mpaya mo seemong se Chairperson. Ke se ke se kopang, please!

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: O buile mafoko a Mma ke supe jaana gore jaaka fa ke buile ka kgang ya mantle. motse wa Mokgware, a ko o bone fela gompieno, re mo the Fourth Revolution, go sena metsi mo COVID HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order! e kanakana, go sena bowsing. Tota gatwe batho ba MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke a leboga Honourable Mokgware ba sentse eng se se tona Rre Mzwinila? Reatile, o buile mafoko a mantle thata. Dikgang tse Kana batho ba le bone ke Batswana, ba na le tshwanelo dingwe ga di tlhokafale gore di salwe morago ka gore e Motswana mongwe le mongwe a nang le yone. beng ba tsone ba a itse gore ke eng ba buisanya jalo, Gakologelwa gore le bone fa go tlhophiwa ba a tlhopha jaanong ba batla go re tsenya mo teng. Honourable tlhe rra. Ka tsweetswee, a batho ba go bonwe gore le Lesedi, go ahead. bone ba sielwa metsi, bogolo jang ka gore a feta mo go bone. MR LESEDI: Mma ke go leboge Mr Chairperson. Mma ke supe gore ke ema nokeng kopo e rraetsho. Mma ke ye kwa kgannyeng e ya Physical Planners. Tona, Ke e ema nokeng jaana ke leba Tona gore ga ke mo a ko o tshwaragane le Tona wa Dikhansele Rraetsho Molale o lebe gore a nako ga e a tla. Kana gone jaana emele nokeng gore a felwe madi gore a bo a latlhelela physical planning e kwa khanseleng. Ke yone e dirang dikgaolo tsa rona. Mr Chairperson, gone ga gona metsi ditiro kwa land boards. A go ne go se maleba gore batho kwa Radisele, Mogome, Mokgware le kwa Tewane ba ba ka bo ba sutisiwa from councils to land boards tota, mme pipeline ya North-South Carrier e feta mo because tota tiro ya bone e ntsi e kwa land boards? metseng. Ga ke itse gore golo fa Tona, maitsetsepelo a Jaanong fa e le gore land boards di ka sokola tshokolo gago ke eng mo dikgannyeng tse gore batho ba ke eng e ka go kopa kwa khanseleng mme e le gore gongwe ba ka se ka ba fiwa metsi mme line e feta fa go bone? A ko e re Tona fa o setse o araba kgang e, o fete ka yone selo se ga le se lebe le se baya matlho a gore batho ba ka gore e a tshwenya, mme e bile o a itse gore e na le ba ye ntlha e le nngwefela gore tiro ya bone e tle e nne mafoko a a e patileng. A ko o tsibogele kgang e. Fa o sa effective, ga ke itse gore golo mo go tlaabo go ka tewa tsibogele kgang e, o itse gore go na le ka fa Batswana ba ke eng. Rraetsho, mma e re ke feta ka e ya physical dikgaolo tse ba tlaa e utlwisisang ka teng. planning ke sianele kwa go e ya kgopho ya metsi a a leswe mo malwapeng. Fa o gakologelwa rraetsho, ke Mma ke supe gore land boards ga di beye jaaka kile ka botsa gone fa e le gore ke tshwentswe ke gore motlotlegi mongwe a setse a buile. Maloba re ne re kgona batho ba Serowe kana tikologo ba kgonne go duelela go ipata re re ga gona board members, mme jaanong connection e. Ba duetse madi, mme a teng kwa go ba teng. Re a kopa ka tsweetswee gore a land boards di beye, bogolo jang mo ditsheng fela tse gongwe mo Goromente. Re kile ra tla ka dikgang tsa gore a mme ga nakong e ntsi re ne re sa solofele fa di tlhoka sepe; tse di go botoka gore batho ba ba busediwe maP1000 a bone? kwa masimong. A go bonwe gore Batswana ba a bewa. Ga supega gore ga go kgonagale. Selelo se se tona se e Gone jaana Batswana a ba sokola ba kopa masimo kana tleng e re o araba o se bue ke gore wa re Goromente ga a ditema mo go ba bangwe mme sa bolo go apply e le gore na madi. Gongwe go tlile nako ya gore le lebe gore le fa ga o ka ke wa itse gore gatwe tlhaloso ya gore batho ba madi a seyo, batho ba ba ka thusiwang ka ... ba Modimo ba bo ba sa bewe, gatwe tota ba jele eng? MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lesedi, there is a Mma ke supe rraetsho gore mo kgannyeng ya land request for elucidation from Honourable Mathoothe. boards, kana go na le kgang ya Land Administration MR LESEDI: Ee, mma ke mo neele, o kgabole ka pele Procedures, Capacity and Systems (LAPCAS) e e Mathoothe. ntseng e buiwa ke motlotlegi mongwe. Ao! Ao! Batho ba Modimo, go simolola ka 2014 Minister up until MR MATHOOTHE: Ke a leboga mokaulengwe. today, bona gore ke dingwaga tse kae, batho ba eme, Kgang e nngwe e gongwe o ka e gatelelang thata ke ya ga gona ditlankana tse le neng le re di solofetsa le bua go babalela metsi a a setseng a le teng, re na le one ka magodimo. Tota golo mo fa le go leba, go raya eng mo gore go lebega e le gore ba Water Utilities ba latlhegelwa bathong? A ko ka tsweetswee batho betsho go goletswe ke metsi a mantsi. Dingwe tsa dilo tse di ka lebelelwang dikausu go bonwe gore e re le kopa madi jaana re a le ke gore gongwe Tona a tle a tlhalose gore ba tsamaya fa fa, a ye go itebaganya le dikgang tse di amang Batswana kae ka meters tse a kileng a bua ka tsone tse di leakage tota. sensor meters gore di tle di re thuse gore metsi a mantsi

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a a latlhegang a, re tle re a babalele? Metsi a mantsi a a go itirela ka one? Bangwe ba rona re tlaabo re setse re latlhegang, ke mokang go latlhega selekanyo sa metsi tsofetse re sa tlhole re na le dithata dipe. a a lekanang le a a kwa Thune kana Letsibogo. Those meters di ka re thusa. A compensation eo e lejwe Tona go bonwe gore tota a ga gona tsela epe e compensation e e e ka okediwang Mo gongwe gape ga bofelo ke gore didiba tse di ka yone gore gongwe kwa phelelong ya letsatsi, land tswaletsweng tsa metsi a a contaminated ba tle ka boards di kgone go bona masimo mo beng ba one, ba lenaneo le a ka dirisiwang in the industries jaaka ba phimolwe keledi mo go botokanyana gore batho ba ditena le mortuaries gore re tle re babalele metsi a a kgone go fiwa ditsha. Kontleng ga moo, e tlaabo e le nowang ke batho. Tanki mokaulengwe. matsapa le maitapoloso. Ke dumela gore dilo tse Tona a e nne dikgang tse o tlaa di lebang e re re le rebolelela madi MR LESEDI: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke yone e, ntse jaana, e nne dilo dingwe tsa dilo tse o tlaa di tsenyang fela jalo, e tlhamaletse. mo lenaneong go bona gore Batswana ba tokafalediwa Mma ke supe jalo gore re na le bothata le batho ba ba seemo se ba tlaa tshelelang mo go sone. duetseng Tona. A e re go sena madi jaana, gognwe go nne Ka mafoko a le kalo Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga, ke le timeframe ya gore fa e le gore gotlhelele ga re kgone eme Tona nokeng mo kopong e ya gagwe gore a neelwe go bona madi mono, ke tle ke bue fela ke tlhamaletse ke madi le lephata la gagwe le ye go tsweledisa ditiro tsa re a go nne le ditsela dingwe Tona tse o ka di lebang tsa Batswana. Ke a leboga. gore Goromente wa Botswana a tseye maikarabelo a go bona gore o ka adima madi jang a thuse batho. Akanya MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lelatisitswe! mo seemong sa gompieno jaaka mongwe motlotlegi a ne a santse bua, gore batho ba bo ba palelwa fela ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa Mr Chairperson, gore ba gokelelwe, Goromente a palelwa ke go ba o a mmuseletsa, go tsena nna. gokelela mme ba duetse fela jaaka ba ba kgonneng go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)... duela. Seemo se le sone bagaetsho, a re se lebeng ka go se tsenya leitlho Tona gore gongwe batho ba kwa ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND phelelong ya letsatsi le bone ba kgone go akola, bogolo WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Mr jang ka ba duetse. Akanya motho yo mongwe a duetse Chairperson, tlaa ke tswelele… mme a bona service fa yo mongwe a duetse mme a sa e bone. Tona, a re lebe golo mo. MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, iketleng pele, Honourable Lelatisitswe… Ke ne ke batla go boela fa moragonyana fa go e ya peo ya ditsha tsa land board. Compensation, bogolo jang fa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)... re tla mo dipeong tse di mo gare ga ditoropo kana metse MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, list e ke e tlhabologang jaaka bo Mogoditshane, compensation yotlhe fela ka kakaretso e nnyennyane. Batho ba ba nang le yone, e supa gore Lelatisitswe ke ene a latelang. neng ba na le masimo ga ba dumalane le Puso gone fa Go raya gore fa a buile, go tsena Honourable Molale. gore ba bona compensation e e kete e kwa tlase mo le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)... nna ke dumelang gore e kwa tlase. Fa o tsaya motse o tshwana Mogoditshane, o ke ntseng kwa go one ka MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND dingwagangwaga ka bo ka godisa bo Tona Rakgare, tota RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Ke a o bolelela ruri, list ya teng e tsitsibanya mmele. Kana o leboga Modulasetilo wa Komiti. Le nna ke latlhele la ka lebelela gore peo ya bofelo kwa Sub-Land Board ya mmotlana mo Tshutisong e ya ga… Mogoditshane ke ya 93/94 a simolola. Bona gore from 94 go tla go tsena gompieno, 27 years now go sena le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr fa e le sepe se se tshikhinyegang kwa Mogoditshane, Chairperson. o bo o mpolelela gore mo go seemong se, motho yo o MR MOLALE: Gatweng? Nako e a tsamaya tlhe batho saleng a kopile ka 94 a le mo laeneng, ngwaga o peo eo ba Modimo. Ke tswelele Mr Chairperson? e tlaabong e ka tla ka one, e ya go mo fitlhela a le mo seemong se fe ka gore le madi a a neng ka kgona go MR CHAIRPERSON: Tswelela sir, o se ka wa reetsa itirela ka one, go tlaabo go le thata gore a bo a ka kgona batho.

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MR MOLALE: Ke latlhele la mmotlana le nna mo a tsaya kae gore a a leng teng, a bo a ka tlisiwa ka fa Tshutisong ya ga Honourable Mzwinila e ke e emang go tshwanetseng ka teng. Selo seo ke a se itumelela, ka nokeng. gore o nkutlwile, o utlwile selelo sa Barolong gore golo kwa go na le bothata bongwe mo tsamaisong. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Molale, you only have five minutes. Ntlha e nngwe Mr Chairperson, fa ke bua ka lefatshe. Re na le dipolase di ka nna four tse ke kopang gore MR MOLALE: Ke tlaa leka rraetsho. Barolong re mo Honourable Mzwinila le Honourable Gare le ba ba lenyoreng le le botlhoko, mo re setseng re e nwa mo amegang, re leke go itlhaganela gore dipolase tse di megobeng. Ke utlwile Honourable Mzwinila a bua gore boele mo tirisong, di neelwe batho, bogolo jang banana. project e a simologa, re a e itumelela. A kaya gore e tlaa Ba simolole go di dirisa, go itshetsa and to meet the tsaya 18 months, e tsenya metse e e 32 ya kgaolo ya requirements tsa food security ya lefatshe leno. rona. Ke potlake ke mo gakolole gore, metse ya rona e 33, go raya gore o tlodile motse wa Molete, o go ka Ka nako ga e yo, bagaetsho mo commercial farming nnang botlhoko thata fa o ka tlogelwa kwa ntle. Re kopa fa go lengwa, we are looking at efficiencies. Re a itse gore ba o tsenye mo list eo, ka gore o gaufi le Mokatako. gore commercial farmers ba rona ba ipatlela metsi, Ke itumela gore Honourable Moagi e tlaa re mo kopong mme fa gongwe fa metsi a seyo, a re se ka ra lebala ya gagwe, a kopele Molete motlakase, ke setse e bile ke the noble intent ya commercial farming gore ke go jesa mo ema nokeng le fa a ise a tsene. lefatshe. Go na le dilo dingwe tse di dirisiwang ka metsi, gore commercial farming e nne more efficient, bogolo Ke kopa Tona Mzwinila a leke gore, mo 18 to 20 months jang tse di tshwanang le bo go bolaya diji, spraying yo a tlaabong a santse a dira project e, a leke go tla ka for insecticides, herbicides, and spraying using foliar tokafatso ya emergency water supply. Sa ntlha fela se fertilizer jalojalo… a tshwanetseng go se leba, ke go tokafatsa tsamaiso ya go pompa didiba tse di leng teng. Tumelo ya me ke MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Order! Honourable gore le fa metsi a tlhaela, fa tsamaiso e tokafaditswe, go Minister. Honourable Members, I now call upon the pompiwa sentle, metsi a ne a ka re fitlhisa golo gongwe Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation a a tlhaelang ao. Sa bobedi, ke dumela gore jaaka Services to reply to the debates. Honourable Minister, you have up to 5:24 p.m. to do that. Honourable Molao le ba bangwe ba ntse ba bua ba re ba setse ba bone metsi, pele go ne go dirwa bowsing kwa MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER go bone. Gongwe bowsers tseo jaanong fa di ka ya go AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): okediwa ka kwa go rona, go ka thusa. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo wa Komiti. Ke simolole ka go leboga batlotlegi ba ba neng ba akgela le Selo sa boraro ke gore, go batliwe didiba. Re setse re na ba ba neng ba supile keletso ya go akgela, ke lebogela le kitso ya gore go na le didiba dingwe tse di bidiwang mafoko, dikakgelo le bogakolodi jwa lona batlotlegi. tsa Water Affairs mo kgaolong, tse di nang le metsi. Fa di ne di ka tsenngwa in the system gore e re mo dikgweding Go ne go na le kakgelo ya gore ke eng o kare go thata tse 20 tse, e bo re na le sengwe se re ka itiyang ka sone, gore re abe ditsha. Ke tsaya gore ke potso e ke kileng go ne go ka nna botoka. Selo sa bone, kana we are part ka leka go e araba thata mo Palamenteng gore go na le of the riparian agreement ya the Molopo Orange River mabaka a le mantsi a a dirang gore go nne thata go aba Commission. Go na le matamo a mararo gautshwane le ditsha, bogolo jang tse di tlhabolotsweng. Ke tsaya gore rona fela ka fa South Africa, a mabedi mo Mafikeng, ka Palamente e ne ya re rebola gore re ka aba ditsha tse la boraro kwa Disaneng. Re kopa gore gongwe go ka di sa tlhabololwang, re mo thulaganyong ya go fefosa dirwa tumalano ya gore ba name ba re siela metsi gore go aba ditsha. metse e e gaufi le Disaneng jaana, e direlwecoupling e e tlaa tsenang e tlola, ba tla go nwa, fela jaaka go dirilwe Kgwetlho ya ntlha e e neng e le teng mabapi le go kwa kgaolong ya ga Brooks. thulaganyo ya go aba ditsha, e ne e le gore mokwalo wa baikopedi ba ditsha o ne o le montsi fela thata. Batho Selo se sengwe Mr Chairperson, ke a itumela gore ba teng ba ne ba feta 1 million ka dipalo. Re ne ra dira Honourable Mzwinila ka ke ntse ke mo tshwenya ka thulaganyo ya go kanoka mokwalo le baikopedi ba teng, kgang e ya metsi, o rile o ya go dira ditlhotlhomiso tsa gompieno ba bo 500, 000. Go ne go na le ba ba neng ba gore tota e re ntswa le fa metsi a tlhaela, matsapa di le bantsi, ba tota ka tshwanelo ka land policy…

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MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Mzwinila, there is romilweng mo sebakeng sa gompieno, ke ditlhabololo something I missed. Honourable Thulagano Segokgo tse di mo NDP 11. Gape Mosetse Dam jaaka ke kile ka had earlier on requested for a procedure, ke gone ke e bua, ke araba potso ka kgang ya teng, e ya go tlhoka bonang. Honourable Segokgo. madi a a fetang P1 billion gore re age letamo la teng. Mo sebakeng sa gompieno, se re se dirang go thusa ba …Silence… tikologo yone eo, bogolo jang thata ba Kgaolo ya Nata- HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se gore o mo fete. Gweta, ke Sowa Master Plan, e re yang go epa didiba tse dintšha tse re yang go thusa ka tsone kana re tlaa batla MR CHAIRPERSON: Tswelela Honourable Minister. go thusa Batswana ka tsone.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga. Ke gore setsha ke Go ne go buiwa gape ka thulaganyo ya gore go tsewe boremelelo jwa ditlhabololo tsotlhe, ke sone se o pipeline e ye kwa dikgaolong tsa Boteti. Ke mogopolo bonang re tlhoka madi a mantsi tota le ditlamelo tse o o siameng thata, mme mo sebakeng sa gompieno, dintsi gore re abe ditsha tse di tlhabolotsweng. Ke tsaya tlhabololo eo ga e yo mo NDP 11. Re ka tla ra e gore mo thulaganyong e re leng mo go yone gompieno, akanyetsa mo NDP 12. Kgwetlho ya rona mo sebakeng re tsweletse ka go aba ditsha tse di sa tlhabololwang, sa gompieno ka metsi a a kwa Boteti, ka re ntse re tsaya mme mo tsamaong ya ditogamaano fa re tsena mo go metsi mo sedibeng, fa o ntse o tsaya metsi mo sedibeng, National Development Plan (NDP) 12 le 13, re tlaa mo tsamaong ya nako, o tsena kwa metsing a a letswai. bona gore re isa madi teng, kana kwa ditsheng tse gore O ka simolola ka metsi a a siameng, mme fa o ntse o di ye go tlhabololwa. dirisa sediba sa teng, bogolo jang fa o se dirisa malatsi Go na le kgang ya gore re tseye ditsha tse beng ba tsone otlhe, o tlaa tsena kwa metsing a a letswai. Re mo ba sa di tlhabololeng, mo go neng gotwe repossessing thulaganyong ya gore… fallow land. Ke thulaganyo e e leng teng mo Land MR GREEFF: On a point of clarification. Tanki Management Reforms Agenda, gore re buisane le Honourable Minister. Ke ne ke re gongwe o ise o ye Batswana gore re tle re tseye tshwetso e. Ka molao re kgakala, ke botse fela ka kgang ya gore maikaelelo ka e tsaya, mme ka re le Goromente wa morero, re batla ke gore Batswana ba e leng gore ga ba a kgona go re simolole pele ka go buisana le Batswana ka kgwetlho tlhabolola lefatshe, le tle le ba le amoge. Jaanong ka e e teng, gore go na le baikopedi ba le bantsi ba ba go na le mafatshe a matona a a saleng a nna foo, a sa tlhokang ditsha, mme go na le ba ba tshwereng lefatshe tlhabololwe, jaaka kwa bo Francistown, Tati le mafatshe ba le bantsi ba ba sa le diriseng. Re tlaa bua le Batswana mangwe that are owned by dikereke mo Botswana gore ba ba sa diriseng lefatshe la bone, ka tsamaiso e e tse ke ka se keng ka di bua ka maina, a one ga le na ka fa molaong, re tseye lefatshe la teng re neele ba ba maikaelelo a gore le ba amoge mafatshe a a ntseng jalo ikopelang ditsha tsa teng. gore lefatshe le le kgone go kgaoganngwa le neelwe Batswana? I thank you. Go na le kakgelo ya gore, ka gore re mo thulaganyong ya gore tlhabololo ya kwa North East ya World Bank e HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ntimile go bua Rra wele ka August, a re ka oketsa bowsers e le thulaganyo Neo. ya nakwana. MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Thulaganyo Ke tseela gore re ka dira jalo. Se re se dirang gompieno ya gore re… e bile e tlaabo e araba tse dingwe tsa batlotlegi. Kgang MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke kopa gore le tsenye ya bowsers, re mo thulaganyong ya gore re buisane le whatever you want to say, like Hikuama, I just see his ba bowsers ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi gore ba re thuse. hand, he has not actually put anything to show me gore Mo sebakeng sa gompieno, re ntse re dirisa bowsers tsa o ema ka point efe. I can see Honourable Nkawana, on a rona fela, fa gongwe re a tle re dirise tsa ga Goromente. point of clarification Minister. Re ntse re sa dirise tsa ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi, mme re simolola ditumalano le bone gore re tle re dirise bowsers MR MZWINILA: Ee, mme ke digele, ke tlaa tla ke ba neela Modulasetilo. Mo kgannyeng ya ga Honourable tsa ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi. Greeff, ke tseela gore jaaka re le mo Land Management Go ne go botswa gore kana Mosetse Dam, ga e bolo Reform Agenda, re lebeletse lefatshe lotlhe, ditiriso go buiwa ka yone gore e agiwe. Mosetse Dam, ga tsotlhe, a ke ditiriso tsa temothuo, ditsha tsa bonno le tsa e mo National Development Plan (NDP) 11. Se re se dikereke. Re lebile dikarolo tsotlhe tsa tiriso ya lefatshe.

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Jaanong ya pipeline gore e ye kwa Boteti, ke tseela gore MR MATHOOTHE: On a point of clarification. Thank ke thulaganyo e gongwe re ka e akanyetsang mo NDP 12. you Mr Chairperson. Tona, ke ne ke re ke botse fela Tharabololo e e leng teng gompieno ka Kgaolo ya Boteti, ka bokhutshwanyane. I do not see project ya Serule, ke Boteti Cluster Project e e ka fa tlase ga ditlhabololo Gojwane, Moreomabele, Topisi appearing, mme ke tsa World Bank. E jaaka ke ne ke bua mo puisanong tsaya gore di ne di setse di simologile. Kana o e emisitse ya me, gore re mo thulaganyong ya go senka yo re tlaa Tona? mo romang gore a dire project yone eo (rakonteraka). Re lebeletse gore gongwe ka bo April 2021, re bo re MR LESASO: On a point of clarification. Mr simolola thulaganyo ya go senka rakonteraka yo re tlaa Chairperson, Tona o ne a bua ka go tlhatswa metsi a mo romang gore a dire tiro yone eo. Re tlaabo re oketsa a leswe, a a bidiwang sewage, gore a golo moo a leke didiba tse di tlaabong di tsena mo tirisong. go go tlhatswa, gore kana metsi ao, ke a a kgonang go tlhatswega gore a tle to a level e batho ba ka kgonang MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, I go a nwa. Re itse gore tota mo lefatsheng le metsi a a have three people lining up for point of clarification; tlhaela mme …(Interruptions)… ba tlaa go tsaya ka Honourable Nkawana, Honourable Hikuama and tlhoafalo gore metsi ao a tle a kgone go nowa, a re Honourable Mathoothe. fokoletse mokgweleo wa go tsaya metsi kgakala jaaka go akanngwa ka bo Chobe. O se tseye ka tlhoafalo dingwaga MR MZWINILA: Ee, o ka ba tsenya Motlotlegi di ise di ye kgakala. Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson. Modulasetilo, mme ke kopa gore ba bue ka bofefo. MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo. MR NKAWANA: On a point of clarification. Ke a Honourable Nkawana o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore leboga Mr Chairperson. Ke go leboge Tona gore o bo ditlhwatlhwa tsa state land di kwa godimo, mme ke tseela o mphile sebaka se se khutshwane se, le nna ke tlaa nna gore go tlhabolola state land le gone go kwa godimo. O mokhutshwanyane. Ke ne ke re o ko o re tlhalosetse tsena mo ditshenyegelong tse di tona gore re tlhabolole, gore a mme o beile leitlho kgang ya gore ditsha tse re tsenye ditlamelo mo state land, ditlhwatlhwa tsa di mo ditoropong tsa state land, o a lemoga gore the teng ga di tsamaelane le ditlhabololo tsa teng. Ke mo prices tsa teng di kwa godimonyana mo Batswaneng, ka Sekgoa gotweng subsidised, di kwa tlase thata fa re segolo jang banana, ga ba kgone go ka duela madi a lebeletse gore re dirisitse madi a a kae mo ditlhabololong a tlaabong a batliwa when they are allocated plots tsa tsa gore re tsenye ditlamelo mo state land. E bile jaaka mofuta oo? Gape ga re bone banana ba bantsi ba tsena ke ne ke bua, re mo thulaganyong ya go rerisa Batswana mo go tsone, re bona bagodi ba ba saleng ba ikopetse gore a mme nako ga e a goroga ya gore tribal land le (apply) bogologolo, gore go o ka ke wa nna le a parallel yone, re dire thulaganyo ya gore bontlha bongwe jwa list e e tlaabong e le ya banana, go ba neela ditsha mo ditshenyegelo, e nne bontlha bongwe jo bo duelwang ke ditoropong? Ke a leboga. bone beng ba lefatshe, beng ba tshimo ya teng.

MR HIKUAMA: On a point of clarification. Ke a Honourable Hikuama o ne a bua ka integrated farming; leboga Honourable Chairperson. Ke a leboga Tona. integrated farming ke thulaganyo e e tsamayang sentle Tona potso ya me, ke ne ke batlile go e botsa kgantele thata ka tebo ya rona. Integrated farming e diragala o santse o bua ka land fale, mme mma ke botse fela. kwa masimong e seng kwa merakeng. Jaanong se se E ne e le gore ke batla go tlhaloganya gore ka phathi diragalang ke gore sengwe le sengwe se o reng o a se e e mo Pusong gompieno le go ipapatsa ga yone, le ne dira mo integrated farming, se mo tshimong ya gago. le bua le tlhamalatsa le re le batla go tla go tokafatsa Go raya gore ga go na kgonagalo ya gore go nne le mo gotweng integrated farming, mo o kopanyang temo, dikgotlhang fa gare ga se wena o se dirang le ba bangwe. leruo le sengwe le sengwe se o ka tswang o na le sone. A Mathata a go isa masimo kwa merakeng, ke gore re na le mme ga le bone gore policy ya gore le kganele go neela ditsheko le dingongorego tse dintsi tse batho ba supileng gore batho fa ba isitse masimo kwa merakeng, go na batho masimo kwa merakeng, le e kgaoganye le e beye le kgotlhang ya ditiriso tsa lefatshe. Ke tseela gore ka kgakala, it defeats purpose ya integrated farming? E kgotlhang eo e teng mo sebakeng sa gompieno, ga re bile mo dikgaolong di tshwana le tsa rona tsa kwa North rotloetse gore masimo a ye kwa merakeng. West, kwa batho ba neng ba ntse ba tlwaetse go sena bo three styles of settlements, gore kwa meraka e leng Honourable Mathoothe o ne a botsa ka tlhabololo ya teng, ke gone kwa masimo a leng teng. Le ba direla tiro Serule-Phikwe Project. Serule-Phikwe Project e teng, bokete go feta jaaka le ne le ka akanya. Ke a leboga. re ne re tlhaotse yo re tlaa mo romang gore a dire tiro

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ya teng (awarded), mme rakonteraka a bo a re ga a sa modirisi wa metsi o ne a sa lemoge gore mo jarateng ya tlhola a e batla tiro ya teng. Go raya gore jaanong re mo gagwe kana mo ntlong ya gagwe, go na le fa go dutlang dipuisanyong le yo o neng a dule mo maemong a bobedi teng. Fa gongwe phoso ke ya rona. Fa e le phoso ya gore a re mo rome. Wa ntlha o ganne tiro ya teng, mme rona, re amogela gore ke ya rona, re bo re baakanya. Fa wa bobedi, re mo dipuisanyong le ene gore a amogele e le gore bill eo e tsamaelana le tiriso ya metsi ya mong tiro ya teng. Fa a e amogela, go raya gore re tlaabo re wa lefelo leo, thulaganyo ke gore o tshwanetse a duele simolola tlhabololo ya teng. bill eo. Ka re itemogetse gore fa gongwe diphoso di Honourable Lesaso o ne a bua ka thulaganyo ya gore dirwa ke meters tsa rona, re mo thulaganyong e re yang re tlhatswe metsi a a dirisitsweng. Re mo thulaganyong go dira mo gotweng smart meters. Re batla go tsena eo. Ga re ka ke ra kgona gore re rarabolole letlhoko la mo thulaganyong ya smart meters e re tlaa bonang fa rona la metsi mo Botswana re sa dire thulaganyo ele. go dutlang teng. Mo go bidiwang leakage detection, e e Kwa Aferika Borwa le Namibia ba a e dira. E a dirwa neng e buiwa ke motlotlegi yo mongwe. Jaanong smart ke mafatshe a le mantsi. Boranyane bo teng jwa gore meters re mo tekeletsong ya tsone. Re ne re lekeletsa re tlhatswe metsi a a dirisitsweng. Re tlaabo re na le smart meters mo lefelong lengwe mo toropokgolo, mme jone mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo. Mo sebakeng sa mo tsamaong ya nako, re ya go atolosa tekeletso ya teng. gompieno, re senka yo o tlaa re thusang ka thulaganyo Jaanong smart meters di ya go re thusa gore re bone gore e. Re batla go simolola ka madirelo a Glen Valley. Fa go dutla fa kae. Di ya go re thusa gore re bone gore tiriso re ka kgona, re bone yo o ka re thusang gore re dire ya metsi ya setsha seo e tsamaya fa kae. E ya go re thusa thulaganyo eo. Ke tseela gore ke thulaganyo e re mo go mo thulaganyong ya gore go se ka ga nna le bills tse re yone. Mo malatsing a a sa fediseng pelo, gongwe ke tlaa sa kgoneng go tlhalosa gore ke eng metsi a teng, a ne le begela ka thulaganyo ya teng. a dirisiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Ke tseela gore mo Fa ke boela kwa batlotleging ba bangwe, go ne go na tsamaong ya nako, re tlaa atolosa tekeletso ya teng. Fa le kakgelo ya gore ditlhabololo tsa rona di tshwanetse re setse re bone gore di bereka sentle, re tlaabo re tsena di tsamaelane le tlhabololo ka ditogamaano tsa National mo thulaganyong ya go fefosa gore re fetole meters tse Spatial Plan (NSP). Re leka ka bojotlhe gore go nne jalo di leng teng to smart meters. ka gore e bile NSP, ke yone tlhabololo ya rona. Ke yone MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, there are ditogamaano tsa rona gore re tlhabolole lefatshe ka tsela three more clarifications from Honourable Ramogapi, e e ntseng jalo. Honourable Tshere and Honourable Thomas Kagiso Go ne go botswa ka Phase 2 ya tlhabololo ya Chadibe, Mmusi. Borolong le Shashe Mooke, e e tlaabong e tsenya MR MZWINILA: Ke kopa gore batlotlegi ba bue ka Mathangwane, Natale le Jamataka. Motlotlegi, ke bonako fa go kgonagala. tseela gore re batla go tswelele ka Phase 2, mme gore go tswelele, go tlaare Koporase ya Metsi e nne le madi MR CHAIRPERSON: Batlotlegi, a re tseneng re se ka a a lekaneng. Mo sebakeng sa gompieno, tlhabololo ra ya lololo. e, e kwa go ba Koporase ya Metsi. Ke raya gore e mo ditogamaanong tsa ba Koporase ya Metsi. Ke tseela HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a leboga Mr gore mo tsamaong ya nako fa ba ka bona madi sentle, ba Chairperson. tlaa tswelela ba tlhabolola. Ke tlhabololo e e botlhokwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: I thought go simolola gore e nne teng. Re ya go leka ka bojotlhe jwa rona gore Ramogapi first. e nne teng. Gape motlotlegi o ne bua ka World Bank project ya North East ya metse e le 52. Ke tseela gore e MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Ramogapi, tsamaya sentle tlhabololo ya teng. E tlaa nna tharabololo clarification. ya sennelaruri ya letlhoko la metsi mo dikgaolong tsa kwa North East. …Silence…

Motlotlegi o ne a botsa ka mo a neng a go bitsa high water HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a yo, ke ka simolola. bills. Ke tsaya gore le batlotlegi ba bangwe ba ne ba botsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke advocate. ka yone. Fa gongwe go a diragala gore re se ka ra bala meters sentle. Bontsi jwa nako se se diragalang ke gore, MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Tshere.

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MR TSHERE: Clarification. Thank you Chairperson. HONOURABLE MEMBER: E gana go bereka. Just quickly Honourable Minister, ke botsa ka metse e ya Tewane, Bikwe, Radisele, Mogome, le Mokgware HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, re kwadile Mr gore metsi a bone a tsamaya fa kae Tona? Ke boletsa Chairperson. ba Tewane, ke itse gore ba nwa mmogo ga go na gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke leka go go thusa. o ka ba kgetholola jang. Metsi a bone a tsamaya fa kae Tona? Tanki. MR MOATLHODI: Procedure. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo. Good afternoon sir. Ke leka go thusa MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND wena, potso e e buiwang ke Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Clarification. Tona, mo Selebi Phikwe Bophirima, Standing Order 57.2 e bua e kgaolong ya me ke utlwa o sa bua metse ya Mmankgodi tlhamaletse gore reference shall not be made to a case le Gabane gore o tlaabo o ba tsenyetsa metsi. Ke bona o pending in a court of law. Jaanong ga a ka ke a botsa dilo bua metse e e dikologileng. Concern ya me e e teng ke tse di kwa tshekong mo Palamenteng. Ga a letlelelwe. gore, pipes mo metseng ele e kare di tsofetse. Jaanong Ke a leboga motlotlegi. fa metsi a simolola, projects tsa Masama, North- South, a ga di na go fekeetsa the pipes tse e leng gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Just to clarify Mr gompieno le fa go se na metsi, di nna di thubega, di Chairperson. senyega because go tlhokafala metsi mo metseng e ya MR CHAIRPERSON: Mma re utlwe gore Tona o e Gabane le Mmankgodi? Re tshwere bothata. Metsi ga a araba jang. yo ka gore the pipes di a thubega. Ke tshogile gore … (interruption)… gongwe re tlaa bona. Re tlaabo re ntse MR MZWINILA: Honourable Mmusi o ne a bua gore re tlhaelelwa, di a go thubegela kwa pele. Ke a leboga mathata a re na le one kwa ke gore … Mr Chairperson. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

MR KEORAPETSE: Clarification. Ke a leboga Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: A re emele Tona a arabe. Re ja Chairperson. Mr Chairperson, go na le project e re nako ya ga Tona. ntseng re e lebeletse ya kwa Selebi Phikwe ya land MR MZWINILA: Re mo thulaganyong ya gore kwa servicing, e e aparetsweng ke dipoko. Ga re ise re nne le re isang metsi teng, a nne a selekanyo se se rileng. Go official version from you as a Minister. I had attempted tsweng foo, re tshwanetse re baakanye the pipes tse di to ask a question in Parliament, ke dumela gore ke ka onetseng. Ke tsaya gore re mo thulaganyong ya gore re December, ke batla go itse mo statement sa gago se o baakanye the pipes tse di onetseng. neng o bua gore e santse e tshwerwe ke litigation. Ke Honourable Keorapetse o ne a botsa ka Land Servicing kopa go itse gore a ke tsheko e e registered? What is the Project ya kwa Selebi Phikwe; e na le dikarolo di le case number? Ke mang yo o ipelaetsang? O ipelaetsa ka pedi; go na le litigation le investigation. Jaanong ka gore gore go rileng? go na le litigation le investigation, ga ke ka ke ka akgela MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo. thata mo go yone motlotlegi. Ya ga Honourable Tshere; ke tseela gore ke ne ke tlile Fa ke boela kwa go ba bangwe, ba ne ba botsa gore re go e araba gore metse e o neng o bua ka yone, e mo fokotse bophara jwa dipolase; mo Land Management thulaganyong ya North-South Carrier (NSC) 2. Re dira Reform Agenda nngwe ya dilo tse re yang go dira ke go pipeline e ntšha ya metse eo, mo thulaganyong ya NSC2. sekaseka gore a mme re ka fokotsa bophara jwa dipolase Ya ga Honourable Mmusi; ke tseela gore re mo gore go tswe mo go 8 kilometres (km) by 8 km, re di thulaganyong ya Ramotswa Water Treatment Plant, fokoletse to 3 km by 3 km. metsi mangwe a tlaabo a ya kwa kgaolong ya gago Batlotlegi ba bangwe ba ne ba botsa gore ke ya go dira motlotlegi. jang ka undeveloped freehold land. Ke tsaya gore mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, o e tlhatswetse le ba Land Managing Reform Agenda jaaka ke ne ke buile, ke Ramotswa gore le bone ba tlaa bona… lekile go tlhalosa, re ya go bona gore re ka itebaganya jang le lefatshe le e leng gore ga le mo tirisong, kana re MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Member, re rile re le abetse batho mme re batla gore ba le dirise, fa ba sa le tsena ka chat. You do not just shout. dirise, re ka tla ra neela ba ba tlaa le dirisang.

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Batlotlegi ba bangwe ba ne ba bua ka secure land lefatshe la bone gore motse o golele kwa ba leng teng. title, gore go tsamaya jang ka thulaganyo ya Land Administration Procedures, Capacity and Systems Ke tseela gore se re neng ra se bua; kana mo Tribal Land (LAPCAS). Mo thulaganyong ya LAPCAS, fa re Act e e tshwanetseng go tsena mo tirisong, e re yang go leng teng gompieno, re mo thulaganyong kana re e baakanya kwa Palamenteng, re batla gore dithwathwa mo seemong sa gore re ka simolodisa thulaganyo ya tsa phimolo dikeledi di tsamaelane le tsa mmaraka, di LAPCAS ya gore re ntshe ditlankana, mme ba molao nne market related. Ke tseela gore ke thulaganyo e e ba ne ba re gakolola, kana ba re neela bogakolodi gore, leng gore fa re tla re simolola semmuso, re tlaa leka gore re tswelele ka thulaganyo e, go batla re ya go fetola ditemana dingwe mo Tribal Land Act. Go raya gore ka bojotlhe gore our rates di tsamaelane le the market thulaganyo kana tlhaloso e, e tlaatla sentle fela ka tsela e rates. re e tlwaetseng gore re fetola molao; kana ba ba fetolang molao ke Batlotlegi ba Palamente, go raya gore e tlaatla Motlotlegi o ne a botsa ka Ledumadumane gore kwa Palamenteng. Potso e ne e botsa gore re tsamaya maikaelelo a rona ke eng. Ke tseela gore fa re oketsa fa kae; karabo ke gore re mo seemong sa gore re ka tla selekanyo sa metsi se se tsenang mo Gaborone, go na le ra simolodisa secure land title, mme go na le ditemana kgonagalo e tona thata ya gore re tlaa nna le metsi a re dingwe tse pedi tse re tshwanetseng re di fetole mo ka a kgarameletsang kwa tikologong yone eo, mme re Tribal Land Act. tlaa simolola ka go oketsa standpipes. Se se botlhokwa pele, se se tshwanetseng gore se tle pele, ke gore re Go ne go buiwa ka kgang ya to decentralise Lands oketse selekanyo sa metsi go goroga mo Gaborone. Ke Department. Ke bogakolodi jo bo utlwalang, re a tseela gore … bo amogela, mme se re tlaa se dirang, e bile re mo thulaganyong ya gore re se dire, ke gore ba Chobe Land MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, you have Board ba ba kwa Kasane, ba ka tla ba thusa Batswana two minutes left. mabapi le dikgang tse dingwe tse di tlhokang ba Ofisi ya Francistown ya state land. Ke thulaganyo e re tsayang MR MZWINILA: …fa tlhabololo ya Masama e bogakolodi jwa teng, re tlaa bona gore re dira jang. goroga, re tlaa kgona go dira jalo.

Go ne go buiwa ka kgang ya gore go tshwanetse Ke tsaya gore Batlotlegi ba bangwe ke lekile go ba araba go nne le tomagano fa gare ga batsayakarolo botlhe fa ke kgonneng teng. Tsa bo leakage sensing meters, ke mo dithulaganyong tsa kabo ya lefatshe. E bile tota arabile. Honourable Molale, motse o o neng o o buwa, e ne e tsamaelana le ntlha ya gore fa gongwe o kare re tlaa o tsenya mo tlhabololong; kana Goodhope Master batsayakarolo ba bangwe ga ba lomagane le ba bangwe. Plan e batla gore metse yotlhe e nne le metsi, mme ke A re tseye gore ba Physical Planning tiro ya bone e tseela gore go tlaa nna fela jalo Motlotlegi. ntsi e kwa land boards, mme ba kwa council. Re mo Mr Chairperson, as I conclude my presentation of the dipuisanyong le ba Lephata la Local Government and 2021/2022 Budget proposals, I move that the sum of Rural Development gore re ka tla ra rarabolola kgang e Nine Hundred and Sixty-Three Million, Nine Hundred jang. Mo sebakeng sa gompieno, ga re ka ke ra re re na and Forty-Seven Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty le tsela ya gore re ka tla ra rarabolola jang, mme se se Pula (P963 947 560. 00) for the Recurrent Budget be leng teng, re mo dipuisanyong gore re rarabolole kgang approved and stand part of the 2021/2022 Appropriation e ya gore Town Planners kana Special Planners bontsi Bill (No. 1 of 2021) for Organisation 1800, and that the jwa bone ba kwa council, mme tiro ya bone e tona e kwa land boards. sum of Three Billion, Four Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and Seventy-Two Thousand (P3 401 272 Go ne go buiwa gape ka kgang ya gore waiting list ga e 000. 00) for the Development Budget be approved and tsamae, motho o nnela ruri mo waiting list. Ke lekile go e stand part of the same Schedule of the Appropriation tlhalosa gore kana bothata jwa rona ke kabo ya lefatshe, 2021/2022 for Organisation 1800. I move accordingly. I e e tsamaelanang gape le gore fa gongwe Batswana thank you Mr Chairman. ga ba dumalane le dituelo tsa rona tsa compensation, kana tsa gore ke phimolo dikeledi tsa bone, kana re MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, we are ba phimole dikeledi mabapi le gore re tlaabo re tsaya now going to vote.

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CLERK:

MEMBER’S NAME AYE NO ABSTAIN ABSENT His Excellency Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi Honourable Kgotla Kenneth Autlwetse Honourable Mpho Balopi √ Honourable Yandani Boko Honourable Sam Justice Brooks √ Honourable Honest Buti Billy √ Honourable Dr Edwin Gorataone Dikoloti √ Honourable Dr Unity Dow √ Honourable Karabo Socraat Gare Honourable Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang √ Honourable Christian Greeff √ Honourable Kainangura Caterpillar Hikuama √ Honourable Liakat Kablay √ Honourable Kenny Kiniotiro Kapinga Honurable Goretetse Kekgonegile Honourable Dithapelo Lefoko Keorapetse Honourable Philda Kereng √ Honourable Mmusi Kgafela √ Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama Honourable Dr Lemogang Kwape √

Honourable Leepetswe Lesedi √ Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe Honourable Aubrey Lesaso √ Honourable Dr Douglas Letsholathebe √ Honourable Thapelo Letsholo √ Honourable Friction Tshoganetso Leuwe √ Honourable Taolo Boipuso Lucas √ Honourable Polson Majaga

Honourable Nnaniki Wilhemina Tebogo Makwinja √ Honourable Beauty Manake √ Honourable Tumisang Mangwegape-Healy √ Honourable Baratiwa Mathoothe √ Honourable Dr Thapelo Matsheka √ Honourable Wynter Boipuso Mmolotsi √ Honourable Kagiso Thomas Mmusi

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Honourable Simon Nkosana Moabi √ Honourable Lefoko Maxwell Moagi √ Honourable Pono Pearson Patson Moatlhodi √ Honourable Setlhabelo Naser Modukanele √ Honourable Anna Maria Mokgethi Honourable Eric Mothibi Molale √ Honourable Fidelis Macdonald Molao √ Honourable Molebatsi Shimane Molebatsi Honourable Talita Monnakgotla √ Honourable Kabo Neale Sechele Morwaeng √ Honourable Mokwaledi Ignatius Moswaane Honourable Palelo Keitseope Motaosane √ Honourable Motsamai Gabantema Jelson Motsamai √ Honourable Dumezweni Meshack Mthimkhulu √ Honourable Kefentse Mzwinila √ Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana √ Honourable Tumiso Macdonald Rakgare Honourable Onneetse Ramogapi √ Honourable Mephato Reatile Honourable Oabile Regoeng Honourable Dumelang Saleshando Honourable Thulagano Merafe Segokgo √ Honourable Peggy Serame √ Honourable Machana Ronald Shamukuni √ Honourable Johane Luther-Tine Thiite Honourable Dr Never Tshabang √ Honourable David Tshere √ Honourable Slumber Tsogwane √ …Silence…

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Order! Honourable Members, here are your results; Aye- 44, No- zero, Abstain- 0, Absent-19. The Ayes have it.

Question put and agreed to.

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ORGANISATION 2300 - MINISTRY OF of projects targeted for unbundling and the reservation INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING of all maintenance works for citizens. My ministry DEVELOPMENT will also put measures in place to increase reservation of works at Category E for citizen contractors. I must MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, please hasten to point out that these efforts are sometimes note that two hours 25 minutes have been allocated to undermined by some of our citizen contractors who are this organisation, and I will call upon the Honourable involved in fronting deals and misuse of mobilisation Minister to reply to the debate tomorrow. fees. I therefore, call upon the private sector to work hand in hand with Government to ensure that these MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND initiatives achieve their intended objectives. HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): Mr Chairperson, good afternoon! I hope I am audible to you My ministry is engaging stakeholders to promote business models such as Consortia; Joint Ventures and to Members of the House. between citizen-owned construction companies and MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes you are. also between non-citizens and citizen owned businesses. This will enable a larger number of citizens to directly MR KGAFELA: Before I proceed Mr Chairperson, benefit from the jobs created in projects financed by perhaps I should draw yours and Members of the public funds. House’s attention to a clerical error in my written speech Let me commend the private sector in augmenting on paragraph 24 which I would like to correct upfront. Government’s efforts of empowering the youth within Mr Chairperson, when you look at the figure on the construction industry. Since April 2020, the private sector has engaged 12 youth owned companies at the paragraph 24, which I have recorded there both in words tune of Thirty-Eight Million, Two Hundred and Thirty- and in numbers, there is a discrepancy between the Three Thousand, Three Two Hundred and Seventy- words and the number; the number is P129,144,770.00 Five Pula (P38,233,375.00) in addition to the 52 youth but when you look at the figures, the words recorded, companies already engaged by Government. These you will see One Hundred and Thirty-One Million. The efforts led to the creation of two thousand one hundred correct version Mr Chairperson is the one in numbers and forty-two (2,142) jobs for the youth. – P129,144,770,00. That is the only correction which I was proposing. Mr Chairperson, registration of professionals is progressing well. To this end, Quantity Surveyors Mr Chairperson, please allow me to present to this Registration Council, Architects Registration Council Honourable House my ministry’s budget proposals and Engineers Registration Boards have registered for 2021/2022 Financial Year. My presentation will be one hundred and sixty-two (162), two hundred and preceded by a brief progress of some initiatives relating ninety-nine (299), seven thousand four hundred and to the core mandate of my ministry that were undertaken sixty-one (7,461) professionals respectively. In an during the Financial Year 2020/2021. attempt to ensure compliance of professions within Mr Chairperson, as we go through the challenging the infrastructure sector, the three regulatory bodies times of COVID-19 pandemic, we remain steadfast continue to collectively engage other key stakeholders in achieving one of the NDP 11 priority areas of such as the Directorate of Public Service Management infrastructure development and maintenance. As (DPSM), Botswana Qualifications Authority (BQA) and a ministry, our focus is towards development and the Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Science maintenance of public building infrastructure, as well as & Technology (MoTE). My ministry is also engaging facilitation of the provision of affordable housing for all with stakeholders to ensure an all-inclusive registration Batswana. My ministry is doing all it can to drive our regime. mandate in spite of the challenges posed by COVID-19. I wish to also highlight that the Construction Industry PUBLIC BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE Authority Bill, through which an authority for the registration and regulation of Contractors shall be Mr Chairperson, efforts to enhance Government’s established is now at an advanced stage. Given the commitment of Citizen Empowerment are continuing. progress made so far, we envision that the draft bill shall Award of maintenance contracts to citizen contractors be finalised and presented before the February 2022 will now be augmented through increase in the number session of Parliament.

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My ministry is implementing a number of major projects to, amongst others, inability by some contractors to for various Government ministries and departments. manage their cash flows, limited project management These include, but not limited to health and education skills and unavailability of some materials locally. We facilities as follows; will therefore continue to work with all the relevant stakeholders to ensure that projects are implemented on • the refurbishment of Colleges of Education, namely; time and within budget. Tlokweng, Molepolole and Tonota Colleges of Education. I am happy to report that most of the HOUSING DEVELOPMENT packages under these projects are complete whilst the remaining are at tender stage. Mr Chairperson, in recognition of housing as a basic human need and foundation of quality of life, • the construction of Moshupa Primary Hospital and Government continues to intensify efforts to improve Staff Houses which is expected to be complete by access to adequate housing by all. It is now evident that May 2022. the demand for housing in this country increases on a daily basis. My ministry has therefore focused not only • Shakawe Primary Hospital which project is on implementation of housing programmes, but also on substantially complete with some of the components improving housing delivery strategies so that they are such as tuberculosis ward, laundry and kitchen responsive and effective. having been handed over to the client in December 2020. The testing and commissioning of other To this end, a high-density low-income housing facilities is expected to be complete before the end programme that is expected to explore ways of utilising of the financial year. the limited land resources mainly in urban areas has been intensified. • the Refurbishment of Ghanzi and Letlhakane Senior Secondary Schools are progressing quite well, My ministry is continuing to engage stakeholders to however, they have gone past their contract end promote access to housing through review of pertinent dates, because some site portions such as classrooms policies and legislation such as Sectional Titles Act and were not handed over for implementation on time. sale of pool houses to sitting tenants among others. To this end, the review of the National Policy on Housing • the Refurbishment of Francistown Senior Secondary is underway. The draft revised policy is expected to be School which we are undertaking has been delayed, presented before the July 2021 session of Parliament my ministry has put some interventions in place for for Honourable Members to debate on it. The review its successful completion. aims to address the socio-economic challenges that have • As regards Moeng College, a decision was taken to occurred since the year 2000. cancel and retender the project as there were some Mr Chairperson, implementation of the housing discrepancies in the tender documents. The tender is programmes is one of the areas which was negatively now expected to be awarded by May 2021. affected by budget constraints as most of the 2020/2021 Financial Year budget had to be diverted towards It is imperative that we put in place adequate maintenance fighting the COVID-19 pandemic. However, significant protocol to protect public infrastructure and prolong its progress was made towards achieving the approved one useful life. My ministry continues to facilitate ministries, thousand nine hundred and seventy-two (1,972) units including those with properly structured facilities since the beginning of National Development Plan management units such that all Government buildings (NDP) 11 under the Self Help Housing Agency (SHHA) are maintained through the standardised service level Turnkey programme. agreements. Mr Chairperson, the ministries that adopt A total of 1,707 units have been successfully completed properly structured facilities management units, will not and the remaining 265 are still ongoing. As regards only ensure that their facilities are properly managed, the SHHA-Home Improvement Scheme, a total of but will also create opportunities for greater private 1,262 beneficiaries were successfully supported to participation in this sector. improve their housing units, out of the approved 1,648 Mr Chairperson, it is worth noting that implementation beneficiaries since the beginning of NDP 11. Projects has not gone without challenges, especially delays for the remaining 386 beneficiaries are at various stages in completion of projects. This is mainly attributed of construction.

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Mr Chairperson, last year I indicated to this Honourable MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS House that we have completed 636 high-rise units against the planned 750 at Tsholofelo. Out of the first For the Ministry Headquarters, I request a budget batch of 372 units, 343 were sold with 242; 70.5 per allocation of Fifty-Five Million, Two Hundred and cent taken by youth as at by February 23rd, 2021. The Ninety-Four Thousand, Eight Hundred and Seventy remaining units are currently at different stages of the Pula (P55, 294,870) or 11 per cent of the ministry’s sales process. The second batch of 264 units that has total Recurrent Budget. Out of the above provision, also been recently put out on offer for sale in the local Engineers Registration Board has been allocated Six media. Of these, seven units have been sold while others Million, Nine Hundred and Thirty-Three Thousand, are at different stages of the sale process. The remaining Nine Hundred and Eighty Pula (P6,933,980) or 1.4 per 114 units are to be built at Block 7 in Gaborone, along cent; allocation for the Quantity Surveyors Registration with an additional 198 units that will be available for Council is Two Million, Ninety-Two Thousand, Four purchase to Batswana. A deliberate decision has been Hundred and Ninety Pula (P2,092,490) or 0.42 per cent; taken to unbundle the projects to promote citizen the Architects’ Registration Council has an allocation participation in the construction industry. These are of Three Million, Sixty-Eight Thousand, Six Hundred expected to be awarded by May 2021 Mr Chairperson. and Seventy Pula (P3,068,670) or 0.6 per cent. The other budget allocations in the sum of Thirty Million, As a Government, we remain resolute in improving Three Hundred and Three Thousand, Nine Hundred the standard of living of public servants by ensuring and Thirty Pula (P30,303,930) or 54.8 per cent is for that they have habitable shelter. Since the beginning of personnel emoluments and Twelve Million, Eight the Public Officers Housing Scheme for D4 Scale and Hundred and Ninety-Five Thousand, Eight Hundred below in 2016, we have been able to improve 471 units Pula (P12,895,800) or 23.2 per cent for other charges. out of 553 planned houses and the rest are ongoing Mr Chairperson. In addition, 569 out of 688 planned turnkey DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING units have been delivered and 119 units are ongoing. Mr Chairperson, I propose a budget of One Hundred Mr Chairperson, Government departments and ministries and Forty-Nine Million, Six Hundred and Thirty- continue to purchase housing units for occupancy by Three Thousand, Nine Hundred and Eighty Pula (P149, public officers. My ministry, though Botswana Housing 633,980) or 30 per cent of my ministry’s total Recurrent Corporation (BHC), delivered 465 units under the Budget for Department of Housing. Out of the proposed Public Officers Housing Initiative (POHI), all of which budget, Twenty Million, Four Hundred and Eighty-Nine were sold to Government departments and State owned Thousand, Two Hundred and Ten Pula (P20,489,210) or entities to add to their institutional housing stock. 13 per cent will be allocated for personnel emoluments, 2021/2022 OVERALL BUDGET and One Hundred and Thirty-One Million, One Hundred and Forty-Four Thousand, Seven Hundred and Seventy Mr Chairperson, the total proposed budget for the Pula (P129,144,770) or 86.3 per cent for other charges. financial year 2021/2022 for my ministry under the Recurrent and Development are allocations is Seven DEPARTMENT OF PROJECT Hundred and Five Million, Eleven Thousand, Three INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING Hundred and Ninety Pula (P705,011,390). This Mr Chairperson, I propose a budget of Twenty-One comprises of Four Hundred and Ninety-Seven Million, Fifteen Thousand, Seven Hundred Pula (P497, 015,700) Million, Six Hundred and Fourteen Thousand, Three or 70.5 per cent and Two Hundred and Seven Million, Hundred and Ten Pula (P21, 614,310) or 4 per cent Nine Hundred and Ninety-Five Thousand, Six Hundred of the ministry’s total Recurrent Budget. Of the total and Ninety Pula (P207, 995,690) or 29.5 per cent for departmental budget, Seventeen Million, Six Hundred Recurrent and Development Budget respectively. and Fifty-Four Thousand, Two Hundred and Forty Pula (P17,654,240) or 82 per cent will be allocated 2021/2022 RECURRENT BUDGET for personnel emoluments, and Three Million, Nine This budget allocation covers six departments under this Hundred and Sixty Thousand and Seventy Pula ministry and as follows: (P3,960,070) or 18 per cent will be for other charges.

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DEPARTMENT OF FACILITIES MANAGEMENT and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation (2021/2022) Bill, 2021 (No. 2 of 2021) for Organisation Mr Chairperson, I propose a budget of Two Hundred 2300 and Total Estimated Costs (TEC) for Sub-heads in and Thirty-Seven Million, Seven Hundred and Fifty Organisation 2300 in the Development Fund Estimates Thousand, Six Hundred and Seventy Pula (P237, be approved and stand part of those Estimates. I move 750,670) or 48 per cent of my ministry’s total Recurrent accordingly Mr Chairperson and I thank you. Budget for the Department of Facilities Management. Of the total department’s budget, Two Hundred MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): As it is now 6 and Seventeen Million, Three Hundred and Twelve o’clock, we will stop there and continue with the debate Thousand, One Hundred and Sixty Pula (P217,312,160) tomorrow. I shall now call upon the Leader of the House or 91 per cent to be allocated for personnel emoluments, to move a Motion of adjournment. and Twenty Million, Four Hundred and Thirty-Eight Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P20,438,510) or MOTION 9 per cent for other charges. ADJOURNMENT

DEPARTMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): DEVELOPMENT Thank you Mr Speaker. As we have come to the end The Department of Infrastructure Development, I of today’s business, I move that this House do now propose for it Twenty-Five Million, Two Hundred adjourn. and Ninety-Seven Thousand, Four Hundred and Question put and agreed to. Seventy Pula (P25, 297,470) which is 5 per cent of the recurrent budget for the Department of Infrastructure The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:05 p.m. until th Development. Of this amount, I propose Twenty-One Thursday 11 March, 2021 at 11:00 a.m. Million, One Hundred and Eighty-Three Thousand, Two Hundred and Thirty Pula (P21,183,230) or 84 per cent is allocated for personnel emoluments, and I propose Four Million, One Hundred and Fourteen Thousand, Two Hundred and Forty Pula (P4,114,240) or 16 per cent for other charges.

DEPARTMENT OF POLICY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MONITORING AND EVALUATION

Mr Chairperson, for it I propose a budget of Seven Million, Four Hundred and Twenty-Four Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P7, 424,400) or 1.5 per cent of the total Recurrent Budget.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, you have a few seconds to come to a conclusion.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Move Minister!

MR KGAFELA: In the light of that Mr Chairperson, I accordingly move that the sum of Four Hundred and Ninety-Seven Million, Fifteen Thousand, Seven Hundred Pula (P497,015,700) and the sum of Two Hundred and Seven Million, Nine Hundred and Ninety-Five Thousand, Six Hundred and Ninety Pula (P 207,995,690) be allocated for the Recurrent and Development Budget respectively, and be approved

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