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Seanad Éireann Vol. 206 Wednesday, No. 2 1 December 2010 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Wednesday, 1 December 2010. Business of Seanad ………………………………73 Order of Business …………………………………74 Prevention of Corruption (Amendemnt) Bill 2008: Committee Stage ………………93 Business of Seanad ………………………………104 Prevention of Corruption (Amendemnt) Bill 2008: Committee Stage (resumed) …………105 Communication Regulation (Postal Services) Bill 2010: Committee Stage ……………117 Lost at Sea Scheme: Motion ……………………………144 Prevention of Corruption (Amendment) Bill 2008: Report and Final Stages ……………160 Adjournment Matters: Water and Sewerage Schemes …………………………165 Mental Health Services ……………………………168 National Lottery Funding ……………………………172 SEANAD ÉIREANN ———— Dé Céadaoin, 1 Nollaig 2010. Wednesday, 1 December 2010. ———— Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Business of Seanad An Cathaoirleach: I have received notice from Senator Fidelma Healy Eames that, on the motion for the Adjournment of the House today, she proposes to raise the following matter: The need for the Minister for Community, Equality and Gaeltacht Affairs to outline the reason for the delay in ratification of the UN Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities and the timeframe for delivery of same. I have also received notice from Senator Ciaran Cannon of the following matter: The need for the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to give an update on the provision of a new sewage treatment plant and network to serve Kinvara, County Galway. I have also received notice from Senator Jerry Buttimer of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sportto clarify the way in which Departments’ national lottery moneys are being spent. I have also received notice from Senator Maria Corrigan of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Education and Skills to provide additional funding to replace old equipment at Holy Trinity national school, Leopardstown, Dublin 18. I have also received notice from Senator Cecilia Keaveney of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport to request an investigation at international level into recent bribery allegations. I regard the matters raised by Senators Healy Eames, Cannon and Buttimer as suitable for discussion on the Adjournment and they will taken at the conclusion of business. Senator Corrigan may give notice on another day of the matter she wishes to raise. I regret that I have had to rule out of order the matter raised by Senator Keaveney as the Minister has no official responsibility in the matter. Senator Cecilia Keaveney: On a point of order—— 73 Order of 1 December 2010. Business An Cathaoirleach: I call the Leader on the Order of Business. Senator Cecilia Keaveney: May I seek some advice? An Cathaoirleach: Is this a point of order? Senator Cecilia Keaveney: Yes. I seek advice on how I may raise this matter in an appropriate way. There is corruption in a certain sport at international level. Because the countries involved include Ireland the Minister should comment on the issue. An Cathaoirleach: The Senator might raise it directly with the Minister. Senator Cecilia Keaveney: That is what I am trying to do. An Cathaoirleach: The Minister has no responsibility in the matter. Senator Cecilia Keaveney: It concerns corruption at international level. Does the Minister have anything to say about it? An Cathaoirleach: My information from the Department is that the Minister has no responsi- bility in the matter. Therefore, I cannot accept the matter raised by the Senator. Senator Cecilia Keaveney: While I respect the Cathaoirleach’s decision, if we have no right to comment on corruption in a particular sport at international level when Ireland is one of the parties involved, something is seriously wrong. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: Let us have a debate on the matter in the House. Senator David Norris: This is another daft decision. Senator Cecilia Keaveney: Another daft decision is right. An Cathaoirleach: If it would help, we could discuss the matter privately in my office. I shall see what we can do, if anything. Order of Business Senator Donie Cassidy: The Order of Business is No. 1, Prevention of Corruption (Amendment) Bill 2008 — Committee and Remaining Stages, to be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business; No. 2, Communications Regulation (Postal Services) Bill 2010 — Com- mittee and Remaining Stages, to be taken at 2.30 p.m. and adjourn at 5 p.m., if not previously concluded; and No. 34, Private Members’ motion No. 17 on the recommendations and findings of the Ombudsman’s special report on the lost at sea scheme, to be taken at 5 p.m. and conclude not later than 7 p.m. There will be a sos from 1.30 p.m. to 2.30 p.m. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: We will have an opportunity tomorrow to comment further on the financial situation and the deal which has been done. A number of very important points were made yesterday on the Order of Business in that regard. I send a very clear message that those who carry mortar and bomb making materials around the country have no support either from this House or the people. Senators: Hear, hear. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: Members of the Garda and the Army were out in dreadful con- ditions in the early hours of the morning trying to deal with the materials the people in question 74 Order of 1 December 2010. Business were carrying around the country. As has been clearly shown, they have no support. We want to give the Garda and the Army every possible support to deal with the dissidents who are endangering the lives of others, including gardaí and members of the Defence Forces. I want to comment on what the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Govern- ment, Deputy Gormley, said yesterday in a childish and self-pitying way. Given the privileged position he occupies, to use the grossly offensive language he used against the most mar- ginalised group in the country, those suffering mental health difficulties, including words such as “asylum”—— Senator Dan Boyle: This is ridiculous. It was used against him. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: This is not to be politically correct. Senator Dan Boyle: It was referred to him. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: There is a campaign, See Change, to seek to change outdated attitudes. I appeal to all not to use such language, from which we want to move away. It is hard enough for people with mental health difficulties to deal with what faces them without listening to this language from a Minister in a most privileged position. Senator Mark Dearey: The Minister did not introduce the term. The Opposition raised it. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: He needs to be less childish in the way he deals with the responsi- bility of a Minister. Senator Ivor Callely: Let us have fair procedures. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: On a different health topic, this is World AIDS Day. The Irish Times has produced an excellent graphic detailing the scale of the problem with HIV and AIDS in this country. The HIV rate has doubled since 1999, despite the fact it peaked globally in that year. At an appropriate point we need to have a debate on this topic. Huge information and education issues continue to arise in this regard. Senator Joe O’Toole: While it is a good reflection on what has happened in the time which has passed, I remember some 20 years ago seconding a motion tabled by my colleague, Senator Norris, on the importance of dealing with on AIDS. There was a big question at the time as to whether politicians should even be discussing the issue. This was the first House to discuss it. At the time many Members were embarrassed and disconcerted at the fact the motion was being brought forward. It is important to recognise this and the fact that this House led the way on the issue, as it did on many other issues. In general, it is issues which should drive the work done in this House. On one of the points made by Senator Fitzgerald, whether I agree with her, there is a bigger issue involved. It is one that will continually arise in the next two months in politics, namely, that of Members having a go at each other across the House. The Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Gormley, invited this yesterday. I completely agree with the points made by Senator Fitzgerald about the language used, which was wrong, although I can see from where the Minister was coming. This is happening all of the time; when we should be looking at issues, we will be looking at other Members. It will be about what one Government did to another and six months later another Government will state it can do nothing because of what the previous Government did, while the previous Government will ask where has the change got us. I ask colleagues on all sides to at all times focus on issues and what they have done or others have not done about an issue. 75 Order of 1 December 2010. Business [Senator Joe O’Toole.] Although I did not have time to listen to the Minister of State’s speech on Private Members’ business yesterday, I suspect it was well over half an hour long. Senator David Norris: It certainly was. Senator Joe O’Toole: This is no reflection on the Minister of State who made good points but we either put a time limit on the speeches of Ministers or we do not count it as Private Members’ time in terms of the two hours allocated.
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