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Page 1 1 2 3 MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL 4 PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING 5 6 BB&T Center, Chairman's Club 7 1 Panther Parkway 8 Sunrise, Florida 33323 9 10 July 12, 2018 11 12 13 14 15 8:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m. 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 2 1 COMMISSION MEMBERS/ATTENDEES: 2 SHERIFF BOB GUALTIERI, Chair 3 RICHARD SWEARINGEN, Commissioner - Florida 4 Department of Law Enforcement 5 MAX SCHACHTER, Parent of Victim 6 LARRY R. ASHLEY, Sheriff - Okaloosa County (via phone) 7 MELISSA LARKIN SKINNER, CEO - Centerstone of Florida 8 MICHAEL CARROLL, Secretary - DCF 9 JAMES HARPRING, Undersheriff/GC - Indian River 10 County 11 GRADY JUDD, Sheriff - Polk County 12 LAUREN BOOK, Senator - District 32 13 RYAN PETTY, Parent of Victim 14 BERTHA HENRY, County Administrator 15 SHAWN BACKER, Deputy Chief - Coral Springs Police Department 16 BRAD MCKEONE, Operations Deputy Chief - Coral 17 Springs Police Department 18 KATHY LIRIANO 19 KEVIN LYSTAD, Chief/President - Florida Police Chief Association 20 DOUG DODD, Commissioner - Citrus County School Board 21 MIKE MOSNER, Assistant Chief - Coral 22 Springs/Parkland Fire Department 23 CINDY CAST - Miami-Dade Communications 24 ROBIN SPARKMAN, Chief of Firearm Eligibility Bureau - Florida Department of Law Enforcement 25 UTE GAZIOCH - Division of Child and Family Services Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 3 1 JUSTIN SENIOR, Secretary - AHCA 2 SILVIA QUINTANA, CEO - Broward Behavioral Health 3 STEVEN LEIFMAN, Judge - Chair of Florida Supreme Court's Task Force on Mental Health and Substance 4 Abuse Issues 5 6 Also present: 7 DAVID COBRA CLEMENTE, Chapter Leader - Parkland Guardian Angels 8 JEFF OSTROFF 9 MICHAEL SIRBOLA 10 11 I-N-D-E-X 12 PAGE 13 PUBLIC COMMENTS 310 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 4 1 (Thereupon, the following meeting was had:) 2 CHAIR: All right, we're going to get 3 started. Before we get with Chief Backer we're 4 going to hear from the County Administrator 5 this morning, but before we do that let me just 6 kind of recap. In talking to some people, I 7 just want to make sure that the commission 8 members have an understanding of the importance 9 of yesterday, what we're going to wrap up this 10 morning, and why we're going through this. 11 There's been a lot of discussion, and some 12 criticism about what people did, what people 13 didn't do, why they acted, why they didn't act, 14 and an important aspect of us evaluating that 15 is what people knew, what they didn't know, 16 information that they had access to, 17 information that they didn't have access to, 18 that may have driven some of their actions or 19 inactions. 20 So, that was a significant reason and 21 backdrop for having to go through all of what 22 we are going through regarding communications. 23 And when you think about it this way, and what 24 we learned yesterday, and what we know, and 25 this is going to lead us into August, and Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 5 1 especially into September for sure, but 2 hopefully in August as well, where we're 3 starting to really look at in a detailed way, 4 you know, with facts, and with evidence, and 5 call logs, and CAD notes, and radio traffic, 6 and everything else putting this whole picture 7 together is, is that what we learned yesterday 8 is, is that if somebody at Marjory Stoneman 9 Douglas High School dials 911, is that we know 10 that that is going into the Coral Springs 11 communications center, and that's where that 12 call is going to be answered. We know that the 13 Coral Springs Police Department is not the 14 primary law enforcement responder at Stoneman 15 Douglas High School, we know that the Broward 16 County Sheriff's Office is. 17 We know that the way the system is 18 designed is, is that the Coral Springs Police 19 Department when they answer that call, and 20 somebody says there's a law enforcement 21 emergency at Stoneman Douglas, that they would 22 transfer that call to the Broward County 23 Sheriff's Office regional communications 24 center. That call taker would then ask the 25 person certain questions again. That person Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 6 1 would convey the information. They would 2 create an entry into the CAD system, meaning 3 the call taker would create an entry into the 4 CAD system. That entry would then be shipped 5 to the dispatcher. The dispatcher would then 6 send it out over the Broward County Sheriff's 7 Office CAD and/or radio system. 8 And what we know happened on February 14th 9 is, is a lot of 911 calls went into the Coral 10 Springs Police Department Fire 911 Center. We 11 don't know how many calls, and we're going to 12 find out, and you'll have that in front of you 13 in the near future. We don't know how many 14 calls went to the Broward County Sheriff's 15 Office regional communications center. A few, 16 but not a lot. The exact number we'll find 17 out. 18 We also know that the Broward Sheriff's 19 Office does not have a CAD system that they 20 share with Coral Springs, so as Coral Springs 21 was getting that information, and they were 22 entering it into their CAD, and their officers 23 were getting it, the Broward County Sheriff's 24 deputies who are being informed of the active 25 shooter situation at Stoneman Douglas didn't Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 7 1 have access to the CAD information that was 2 being entered in the Coral Springs system. 3 We also know that the Broward Sheriff's 4 Office regional communications center did not 5 have the Coral Springs main dispatch channels, 6 so they couldn't even go up on those channels 7 to even hear what Coral Springs was saying. We 8 also know that the responding deputies didn't 9 have access to the Coral Springs primary 10 channel. Then we heard as well about the 11 responding deputies, and we heard a lot about 12 this thing that has become infamous, in 13 throttle, and you were told that when the radio 14 system's capacity is met, in essence is, is 15 that this throttling thing happens, and that 16 whoever is trying to talk can't talk. 17 So, the version of it, this is what 18 happens, is that if a deputy gets there, and in 19 this case Captain Jordon got there, and a lot's 20 been made about what she did or didn't do. And 21 she gets on the radio to try and take control 22 of the situation, (radio sounds) what's she 23 going to do, thing becomes a brick, turn it off 24 and throw it away, there's nothing you can do 25 with it. That's what she was getting. That's Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 8 1 throttling. That's the type of tones that 2 you're getting. 3 So, when people are saying that in Captain 4 Jordan's case, and I don't know Captain Jordan, 5 I met her once for about maybe five seconds, I 6 don't know whether she did a good job, poor 7 job, or somewhere in between. I have no idea. 8 But what I do know, and the evidence here is 9 going to show, and where it's going to show, 10 because the testimony of law enforcement 11 officers and body cam video and audio that 12 shows that she was trying to transmit, and she 13 couldn't transmit, and she could not get on the 14 radio to take control of the scene, and that 15 she was trying to go to their radios, car 16 radios, K-9 deputies' radios, cruiser radios, 17 she was trying to get on there and she couldn't 18 get on there. 19 All that is extremely relevant to our 20 evaluation of the command and control, which is 21 one of the things specifically we're charged 22 with evaluating here, and whether there was 23 adequate command and control, and whether the 24 scene was handled properly, and whether 25 decisions were made. And so, as there is Veritext Legal Solutions 800-726-7007 305-376-8800 Page 9 1 criticism of, and it's been in public, public, 2 about whether she allowed EMS in, whether she 3 didn't allow EMS in, whether she set 4 perimeters, whether she did this, which she 5 did, she couldn't communicate. And the 6 evidence that we see, and what you're going to 7 see more of is, is that there is no doubt that 8 the information that was available to Coral 9 Springs exceeded the information that was 10 available to Broward County Sheriff's Office 11 because they didn't have a shared channel, they 12 didn't have a shared CAD, and that people were 13 trying to communicate, and they couldn't 14 communicate because of this throttling issue.