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No. 24: Tuesda" April 16, 1985jCII(nlra 26, 1907 (StIka)
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Ora 1 Answers to Questions : 1-28
·StalTCd Questions Nos. 445 to 452 and 4"
Written Answers to Questions: 28-187
Starred Questions Nos. 453, 454 and 456 to 464 28-36
Unstarred Questions Nos. 3112 to 3140, 3142, 31~4 to 3238, 3240 to 3245, 3247 to 3257 and 3259 to 3274 36-187
Paperc; Laid on the Table 188-190
Presentation of Petition 190
Matters under rule 377 191-196
(i) Need to implement the recommendations contained in the twenty-seventh Report of the Committee on Sub-Ordinate Legislation reaarding recruitment rules for various posts in the Water Management and Command Area Development D"*on in the Ministry of Irrisation.
Shr i Gansa Ram 191
(ii) Need to lay a railway line between Sahajanwan and BalJampur via Bansi
Dr. Chandra Shckhar Tripathi 191 (iii) Need to revise the timina! of certain trains runninlR on 0.,.- Kiul Sections of Eastern R.ail\\'ay and to provide a fast train between Gaya and Deoahar .
Shrimati Krishna Sahi 192
·Tbe sian + marked above tbe Daroe of a Member indicates tbat the question was actually asked of the f1aor of the HoUIC by that Manber. (ii)
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(iv) Need to sanction additional funds for renovation and modernisation of Kothagundam Thermal Power Station
Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao 193
(v) Need to clear scheme for modernisation of Kangasabati Reservoir Project in West Bengal
Shri Ajit Kumar Saha 194
(vi) Need to provide stoppages of Malwa Super Fast Express and Datshin Express at Vidisha and Ganj Basoda
Shri Pratap Bhanu Sharma 194
(vii) Need to bring Purnca (Bihar) on the air map of India
Shri D.L. Baitha 195
(viii) Need to complete the distributaries in Ganganagar Djstricl~ taking off from Indira Main Canal
Shri Birbal 195
Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance 1%--212
Reported removal and shipping of priceless treasures of I ndian art and culture including rare works of sculptures for display during the Festival of India in the United States of America and France
Sbri K. P. Unnikrishnan 197
Sbri K. P. Singh Deo 197
Shri S. Jaipal Reddy 21S
Demands for Grants (General), 1985-86-Colltd. 223-313
Ministry of Health and Family Welfare (Contd.-CGncluded}
Shri Dipijay Singh 223
Sbri S. Krishna Kumar 226
Shrimati Vyjayanthimala Bali 230
Shri Satyqopal Misra 233
Shri Somnatb Ratb 238 (iii)
Cduuwts
Sbt'i Chiranji Lal Sbanna 24:4
Dr. Chandra Sbekhar Tripathi 250
Dr. V. Venkatesh 252
Prof. M .R. HaJder 256
Shri Anaota Prasad Sethi 258
Dr. C.P. Thakur 262
Shri RamashTay Prasad Singh 266
Shri ~adan Pandey 268
Shri Manoj Pandey 271
Shri Mool Chand Dap 273
Dr. G. Vijaya Rama Rao 278
Shrimati Mohsina Kidwai 280
Mmistry of irrigation and Power (Not concluded) 293
Shri M. Subba Reddy 29'
Shri Drahma Dutt 301
Shri Dhola Nath Sen 307
Shri D.P. Yadav '313
(Speech not finished)
Busin~~ Advisory Committee 313
Fifth Report
Paper Laid on the Table 314 LOK SABHA DEBATES
• 2 LOK SABHA COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c). As a general policy of the Governmen~ use of foreiln brand sames is discourascd. For~ign brand names are not ordinarily allowed for Tuesday April 16, 1985, Chaitra 26, use on products for internal sales, although 1907 (SAKA) there is no objection to their use on products to be expocted. A condition to this effect is being incorporated in all approvals for foreign collaborations..
Sabha mel at Eleven of Cloc~ 71t1' Lok tIle There has not been any change in Government Policy on this matter. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair)
SHRI K.P.. UNNIKRISHNAN ~ Sir. the ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS reply given by the Hon. Minister is very disappointing. Numerous reports have Foreign Trade Marks aDd Braad Names appeared that foreign brand names are making a spirited come back after decades of resistance put up both by our own {EnA'lish] national movement as well as by the Govern· ment. The Government also in 1960s and + 1970s had actively discouraged the use of *445. SHRI K.P. UNNtKRISHNAN : imported brand names for new products SHRI ANANDA PATHAK: manufactured in this country. But suddenly we find that we are flooded with massive Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND advertisement campaigns in recent months. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: They have made it dear that Indian consu· mers will soon have the benefit or will have (a) whether Government have come to the privilege of new products indigenously a conclusion about allowing foreign Trade made or manufactured but sold in their Marks in 1ndia; world~wide known brand-names.
(b) whether the recommendations con- For example, in scooters industry, Vespa tained in the Report of the Committee which which is prohibited by the Government ,has went into the matter have been accepted by made a come back in spite of the declara- Government and the technological and tions made by the Hon. Minister in both economic benefits that the Committee have the Houses of Parliament in recent session~. found for justifying foreign trade marks and It is with impunity, they are advertisinl. brand names for even domestic sales; and So, Sir, there was a time. I am sure you would recall, when we used to talk of (c) whether Government propose to Swadeshi and self ·reliance. In 19708, we amend the Trade and Merchandise Marks have actually legislated FERA and Trade Act and Indian Patents Act consequently 1 &. Merchandise Marks Act for this purpose.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Now. it is said that a Committee of THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND Socretaries have lone into the questions and 3 APRIL J6,191' Oral Answ".~ sugested some drastic changes. If I 10 by certainly, the Hoo. Member can bring it to the report of the Committee of Secretaries, our notice. But as I ha"e already said, thj~ they say that it has to be chanpd because ~ter is under consideration. The whole tbey find a hospitable environment. thing is being reviewed whether we should continue to insist upon this Therefore, my Question is, will the Minister speJI-out c1eady tht! approach as SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: He is evolved by the Committee of Secretaries and not prepared to give an assurance. lay its report on the Table of the House. SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: We are TIlE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS insisting upon them that they should not AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY use fOft!ign brand names. But they are using AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRJ hybrid names. I lake the instance of Maruti. VEERENDRA PATIL): Sir, the Hon. In the case of Maruti, we have allowed Member wanted to k now what is the po liey them to use hybrid name, that is, Maruti that is being followed. We have given the Suzuki. Similarly, there is an instance of policy that is being followed now. Toshiba Anand and the like. We have not allowed them to use any foreign brand name. This is incorporated in the foreign collabo- Now, this matter i~ under considaration ration agreement itself. and the Committee of Secretaries was cons- tituted. They have made certain recommen- dations. But the Government has not taken SHRI K.P. UNNJKRISHNAN: What any final decision. So, once the Government about Vespa? takes a final decision, it will be made known to Parliament and public. SHRI VEERENDRA PATlL: I do not think Vespa is ~old as Vespa. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: My question was what the Committee of Secre- taries has said and whether it will be laid SHRI K.P. UNNIKRlSHNAN: It is on the Table of the House. advertised as Vespa.
MR. SPEAKER: He says, that will SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : I do not become knQwn after they consider the know when that foreign \ collaboration matter. agreement was finalised, whether there is any clause that they should not use any foreign brand name and whether they have violated SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: So, it. The Hon. Member is bnn.ging it to my after it is fully considered, it will be done. notice. J will certainly look into that matter. But, as 1 said, the whole policy with regard The Hon. Minister has been saying that to using foreign brand names is being re- as a condition for the foreign collaboration, considered and it is being reviewed. Once a clause is inserted that they shall not U5,C we take a policy decision. some whtaever any foreign brand name. May I know whe- poJiC"y decision we take, then accordingly ther he will give an assurance that in every the foreign collaboration agreement win foreign collaboration this particular clause have to be finalised. vittI be scrutinised to see that they stick to this stipulation and whether he is prepared SHRI ANANDA PATHAK: The word to have a mechanism evolved to see that ·'ordinarily" used in the main answer given they stick to it ? by the Hon. Minister is so vague. That means anybody can use foreign brand names SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: 1 have and the loopholes are there. What is already said that as a policy, we are not the meaning of the word "ordinarily··? That allowing foreign brand names. It is incor- silould be clarified. The Hon. Minister has porated in the foreign collaboration agree- said that the whole matter is under consi- ment itself. Jf there is any violation, deration. Under the existtna rules and 5 CHMnlA 26. 1907 .(SAKA) Ol'rll Ali.twus
resulations, it is very dear that in respect year 1984·8S is about J9~ 17 lakb toone, of of arty produot whick is sold to the con- Nitroaen and 12.63 Jakh tonoes of Pt 06' sumers in lndi~ they will not be allowed to use any foreign brand name. Let them (b) Yes, Sir. reconsider it; let them review it and decide the policy matter. But the stipulation is already there. On the basis of that, I want (c) and (d). No negotiations are pre .. to know whether they are looking into these sently being held with any foreign Govern- cases. My Hon. friend have given some ment to sot up a joint venture fertilizer instances also. May I know whether the plant in India. HOD. Minister will give a categorical assurance that they will not be allowed to do that? (e) A major programme has been under taken to increase the production of ferlilizers in the country. As a part of this programme, SHRI VEERENDRA PA TIL : I have many new fertilizer plants are .already under already replied that question. He wa Ited to implementation and some more plants are extract an assurance from the Government. proposed to be taken up for implementation Fot that, I can only say that the v.hole in a phased manner. Besides, remedial matter is und'!r review. The Government measures have also been initiated/are plan- has not taken any final dicision. Therefore, ned to improve production performance of I am not in a position to give any assurance. the fertilizer plants in operation.
Steps to increase production of SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: Mr. fertilizers Speaker Sir, In the statement the Hon. Minister has stated that' the Government is *446. SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: making all efforts to increase indigenous WiIJ the Minister of CHEMICALS AND production of fertiliser to meet the demand f"ERTIL1ZERS be pleased to state: of fertiliser in the country. But in spite of all their efforts, may I k.now whether they (a) the present annual production of are spending large amounts of money on fertilizers in the country; importing fertilisers from abroad, apart from potash which is not being produced in the (b) whether Government propose to country. If so, the quantity of fertiliser step up production of fertilizers in the imported in the Sixth Plan period and tbe country; cost of it and the anticipated import in the Seventh Plan period and the cost of it . .(c) whether any negotiation is going on with certalO foreign countries to set up What are the efforts made by the Minis- joint ventures in the country in this field; try to produce potash, urea and also ammonia required during the 7th Plan ., (d'i if so, the details thereof; and SHRI VEERENDRA PATJL: It wa~ (e: the other measures being taken to discullised yesterday and I replied in great increase the fertilil.ers production in the detail about the fertiliser position in the country during the Seventh Five Year Plan? country and ) have admitted the fact that we have not been able to achieve self- THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS sufficiency so far as fertiliser production is AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY concerned and I have given the figures. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (e). A The Hon. Member wanted to know what statement is laid on the Table of the House. is going to be the gap between the demand and production for 1985 .. 86. The PI' is Statement going to be 15.:50 lakh tonnes. By the end {)f 7th Plan, 1989-90 the gap wHl be reduced (a) Productlt'n of fertilizers during the from 15.50 lakh tonnes to 8.03 lakh tODoes. 1 APaJL 16. lift ,
Government.has already taken action to set MR.. SPEAJ(.ER.: I must Je4uest up now fertiliser units particular!)' based on all tho Hon. Members in the present House natural &as and in the 7th Plan also, the tbat we must try to understand tbe basic proposal is being finalised to put up more <:oncept of putting a Supplementary. Is it pla'\ts. That is why, so far as indigenous not 'l This is aoina to be a dialoat.lC or a fertiliser is concerned, Government is trying statement or whatever it is, it is not a debate. its best to become self-sufficient as early as Yau are taking aU the time. I must also possible and I have made it clear yesterday request all the Members that it is not in my reply to the debate that the question humanly possible to live a chance to every of becoming self-sufficient in tbe case of Member
SHRIMATI CHANDRA TRIPATHl: 1 May 1 know from the Hon. Minister would like to submit to the Hon. Minister whether Government is going to set up some regarding the production of fertilisers that fertiliser plants in a phased manner? he had said yesterday that soda ash was available in sufficient quantity in the country MR.. SPEAKER : It is very long question and if there was shortage, it would be met You should be brief. by imports. The factories in the private sector which produced soda ash, from which SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: Sir, I ammonium nitrate is produced, have closed would like to know whether, for want of down. They say that there is shortage of gupply of electricity, Government is aoing raw material. They require soft coke, coal to set up ps based plants, as the Hon. and salt, but the soft coke and the other raw Minister said yesterday in the Honse. materials are not available to them, as a 0",1 AlrsM.W8 CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAXA) Drol Answrl 10 result of which they have declared lay-off in (b) the number of doctors required by their factories. I would like to know whether the Army Medical Corps in different dis .. the Hon. Minister would take steps to pro- ciplines and whether al1 the vacancies are vide them with the raw materials to run their filled, and factories and whether Government have taken any steps in this regard ? (c) if not, the reasons therefor?
SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: Sir, the THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE Hon. Member has asked a supplementary (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) Ye~ question about soda asb whereas the main Sir. question relates tu fertilisers. Soda ash is not a fertiliser. Soda ash is being produced (b) The Doctors in the Army Medieal in our country. When we ask. the OlanufaL- Corps (AMC) include General Duty Doctors turers, they say that its production is suffici- and Specialists. The authorised strengths and ent to meet tbe demand for soda ash. the shortages are : Sometimes, a complaint is received that soda ash is not available to the people. That Authorised is why soda ash has been kept under O.G.L. General Duty Strength Shortage When a party is not able to get soda ash, it is made available by importing it. Doctors 3320 420 Spec ialists 1635 33 [£ngli.'ih] While the total shortage of Doctors in the SHRI SOMNATH RATH: I would like Army Medical Corps works out to 9.14% of to know from the Hon. Minister about the the authorised strength, in the Specialist progress of the fertiliser plant at Rourkela Disciplines the shortage is only 2%. in Orissa. (c) The reasons for the shortage are: SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: ) require notice for this. I do not have the informa- (i) Availability of better prospects tion wHh me. in the outside market;
SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY: (Ii) Rigours of the Service; and In view of the large scale availability of
natural gas in Assam and Tripurat may I (iIi) Periodic increase in the autho- know whether Government has any plan to rised strength of tbe Army set up a gas-based fertiliser plant there which Medical Corps against a liven will remove the industrial backwardness of volume of recruitment, increas- this area and also increase the production? ing the shortfall in the concerned year. SHRJ VEERENDRA PATIL: The Seventh Plan has not yet been finalised. In addition, I may inform the Hon Therefore, it is not possible for me to say Member that every year there are certain how many units are going to come. resignations agreed to by the Government on compassionate grounds and those num- bers are also added on to the number of Vacancl~1 of Doctors In MedJcal Corps shortages.
*447. SHRI G.O. SWELL: Will the SHRI G. G. SWELL: It is refreshing Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: to hear the Minister to say that a)) the facilities offered by the Army are being (a) whether the courses for education availed of and the shortages are marginal. and training offered by the Army Medical Still, I would like to know what is the Corps have been fully availed of; number of soats offered by the Armed 11 Oral ~1I$Wer$ APIUL 16. 1985 12
Forces Medical College at Pune; how many SHRl P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: I qualify yearly and how does that figure have already .ubmitted that the volumo of compare with the 135 doctors especially in recruitment being what it is, the shortage is the Specialist Class who are reported to be only of the order of 2% in the specialists retiring every year seeking premature retire- class. So I do not think it is serious and ment? After 20 years they get pension and even this 2%, may be made good and be- they can retire and this is just th~ period cause of the resignations on compassionate where these doctors reach the peak of their grounds-it is not for greener pastures that expertise but they g~t away bee a use of the they are allowed to 120, let me add here state of better facilities abroad or in the it is only on compassionate grounds that open market. I would like to Know resignations are al10wed hy the Gover,1ment. whether these figures may really make any- So, I think whether there is any deficiency. thing. w~rever there is anything to be improved in the service conditions. SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : The intake of AFMC is 130. But from the That is an on-going process. ] don't AFMC we are getting \!very year in the think it wiJI be possible for us to give. neighbourhood of 90 -between 78 and 91 emoluments comparable to those given to it has varied and evidently the passing per.. them in other countries in order to retain centage is a little low. From direct recruit- them here. That is not going to be possible. ment from 1982-84, we have got 105 in 1982 But within the means, within our own limi- 305 in 1983 and 350 in 1984. Evid~nt1y tations, whatever is possible i~ being done; we are making up for the deficiency and 1 and as 1 said, it is an on.going process, hope in the next 1 or 2 years there will be 1'0 shortage. SHRI D. N. REDDY: WiIJ the Hon Minister consider the prospects of improv- Then, on the specialists side, the short- ing the prosrects of candidates opting for ages really are marginal; for instance. sur- Arn'y Service, so as to attract specialists and gery-authorisation-269 and avail.tbility- other candidates in larger numbers to fill up 264. So this is just a shortage of 5. Only the existing vacancies? It is not desirable in one discipline, l-i::.. Anaesthesia we have to keep the vacancies for long as their ser- a shortage of )0. In other di~iplines it is vIces are very essential for the security of just 2, 3, 4-like that. I do not think it the country. is a serious shortage, but ] would certainly like to assure the Hon. Member that even this shortage will be made good. SHRl P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : At the Specialists' level. as I have already sub- mitted, a drop of 2 percent, as of now, is SHit} G. G. SWELL: Is it correct not serious and Wf. ca n make it up in the tbat the best talents of the country, our next one or tW() years. As 1 have already brightest youngmen do not come forward to pointed out, the process of making condi- avail themselves of the facilities offered by tion of service more attractive is an on- the Army? If that is tfue, why? going process. There is no such emergency as to consider as a special ca~e rjght now Secondly. I would like to know whether what needs to be done in order to attract the Government is thinking of improving the them more and more. In fact, our officers facilities offered to our specialists so that are going to the medical colleges every year they are not tempted to seek premature and are paying Rs, 7200 to selected final retirement and remain here and give of year; MBBS students. Aft\!r the MBBS their best to the Army to the very last that student passes, he is given a permanc"lt they can do, whether you are thinking in commission in the Army. So, all that needs wrms of raising their salarie!l, their promo- to be done. is being done. But, as I said ation prospect5 and other facilities that you this is an on-going process. If there are are offering to them because specialists are any specific suggestions in this resard, we in the market and e'lerywhere and unless we can always consider them. do somet\ling on that line we cannot retain 'hem. ( . SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Is it a 13 Ora/ ,."."., CHAITllA 26, 1901 (SAKA) Oral ~.". fact that due to amalgamation of two dif- the negative to part (b) of the question. I ferent cadres in the Armed Modical Corps- wouJd, therefore, like to aSK when this report 1 think they are Administrative and Specia .. would be available. I would also like to lists Cadres-some senior officers were to knrw whether the matter was considered at retire and some junior officers or another Government level before sending the delega- cadre were promoted? Now, what hap- tion '? Before a delegation from the })rivate pened was, as a result of that they went to Sector, etc., goes abroad, are consultations the Court and won their case and had to be held keeping in view the Government's policy reinstated. Will the Hon. Minister kindly so that there is no contradiction between enquire into the cause of such frequent the Government's eeonomic polioy and the char.ges of rules by which some offieers get viewpoint of tbe delegation ? benefit and others are harmed, which affects . the morale of the officers in the Army ? SHRI ARIF MOHAHMMAD KHAN: Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I had said in my reply, SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: 1 this was a non-official body and it bad sent am not able to answer the specific question. a delegation of 14 members to participate in If the Hon Member could give me some this conference. They are not bound to details, I will certainly look into the matter. submit a report to the Government after their return. Therefore, it is not possible Sixth Annual Conference of the [nlemational to say when they would submit their report. Chamber of Commerce beld jn Seoul
SHRIMATI USHA CHOUDHARI: The 111448. SHRIMATI USHA CHOU- Hon Mimster has of course, gh en a repJy. But DHARI : Will the Minister of JNDUSTRY we \\-ant that a report, should be submitted AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to Government and there shoutd be a dis- to state: cussion on that keep 109 in vil!w Govern- ment's economic policies so that the indus- trialists could get the gUidelines. The Hon (a) Whether an Indian delegation of M inislcr has just now saId that it is not industrialists participat~d in the Sixth Annual obligatory, for them to do so. I am inSisting Conference of the International Chamber of because Government are very much depend- Commerce held recently in Seoul, and ent on the Private Sector. That IS the feeling of the people and such an atmosp~re bas (b) if so, whether Government have heen created. I would like to know whether received a report on the outcome of the Government are adopting any new discussions held at the Conference and other policy to exercise control over the Private detailt s '! Sector?
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI ARIF MOHAHMMAD 'KHAN: MINISTRY Or INDUSTRY AND COM- Policies and rules are already laid down. We PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- depend on both the sectors, the Private sec- MAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir, The Indian Na.. tor as weJl as the Public Sector, and we tional Committee, a non-otlicial body, which want both the sectors to grow. is a member of the International Chamber of Commerce sponsored a 14-member delega- tion to the conference held on the 75th- MR. SPEAKER: But the law can be changed ...... (1I1terrupti()1ls) 28th March, 1985 at Seoul.
[English] tb) No, Sir. Request for Raising "Andhra Reglmeattt [TrQws [at ion] * 449. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- SHRIMATI USHA CHOUDHARY: Mr. WARA RAO: Will the Minister of Speaker Sir, the Hon Minister has replied in DEFENCE be pleased to siate : Drill MAWr, ~p~ 16, 1985 0,.1 AIm.. ,., 16
ta) whether there is any request 1'eQOivod SHRI AlAY M USHRAN : As the HOD. by Government to name one of ttt. Regi- Min istet knows ODe of the reasons for ments of Infantry as uAndbra Regiment" naminl the regiments by the British was just as Sikh, lat, Madras, Gurkha etc. probably the area from which the soldiers Reaitnents; and used to be recruited. Is the Government considering aoy proposal that recruitment to (b) if so, the action taken and tbe time the existing regiments which are named on by which it wiU be implemented ? regional basis etc. will be made from areas other than tnose areas, with which those particular re&iments are identified? Further, THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI why does the Government not consider the P. V. NARASHIMHA RAO): (a) Yes, idea of numerically numbering tbe regiments Sir. as is the Armoured Corps numbered. In the same way, various regiments can be numeri- (b) The pol icy of the Government since cally numbered. Is there any proposal like Independence is not to raise any new Regi- that; if not, will the Governm~nt be pleased ment on the basis of State, region, caste or to consider this '1 community. The existing Regiments, which are based on such considerations, are of pre- SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: As independence era. A reply has been sent regards the first part of the question. all accordingly. recruitment now is being made on the aU-class pattern. There i~ no Question of persons only SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA from one State or caste being recruited for a RAO : The Minister has said that the policy whole regiment. That is not the case. There of the Government is not to raise any new are some regiments, which are of that type regiments on the basis of State, region, still, but they were recruited long ago and caste etc. But the regiments which were now aJ) recruitment is made on all-class named en these basis, those names are not basis. being removed, and tbey are still continuing. There is nothing wrong, if some regiments As regards the second part of the ques- are named as per tbe request of the State tion, I am not very clear what the Hon. Governments, for example the request of the Member wants to know. Andbra Government for an Andhra Regi- ment. Will the Government reconsider its previous decision and respond positively in MR. SPEAKER: Why can't the regi- the near future to name some regiments as ments be numbered numerically, as the per the requests of the concerned State Armoured Corps is numbered 1 Governments? SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: Once SHill P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: This it is not named on community, State or has been considered again and again. We regional basis, how exactly it is to be named, have come to the conclusion that whatever that could be considered if there is any was obtaining during the British era itself specific suuestion. was not desirable; whether that is to be changed now or not is a matter which could [Translalion] be considered but certainly there is no question of adding to that list. SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI CHATUR- VEDI : Mr.Speaker, Sir, I would like to ~ub There have been requests from several mit to the Hon. Minister that new regiments other sources; there is a request for an Ahir are not being named after the Castes, but regiment, there is a request for a Karnataka there are certain regions which have created a regiment; there are requests from all kinds place for themselves in history, and Bunde' of quarters, but I do not think it will be khand is one such region which is famous for possible to change the policy which has been its bravery. There sb(.'uld, therefore, be a deliberately designed Bnd accepted after Bundelkhand regiment so that, the people independence. . may remember the history and the bravery 11 CHArtIlA! 26. 1901 (SAKA) 'IS of the ~Je. Wi 11 the HOll. Minister look provided therefrom trte 16135 a~ btl into it ? 30-9-1984.
(English] (b) Small telephone exchanges in Olijarat are generally working satisfactorily~ Any complaints received are attended promptly. MR. SPEAKER She wantl an exception. (c) Setting up of 1000 lines big exchanges in place of small exchanges depends upon the demand, financial viability and availability of Automatic Switching equipment. SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: Mr. Speaker. Sir. there can be many other ways [Translation] of remembering the bravery of the fore father~ of that region. It was thought during SHRI NARSINH MAKW ANA. ~ Mr. the British time that there were certain Speaker, Sir, I had asked whether regions in Indla~ the people of which were Government were aware that the number of very brave and the people of other States telephone complaints was increasing because were not so brave. Such sections of the peo- small telephone exchanges did not function ple were called martial races. After inde- properly. It has not been stated in the pendence, we have rejected this hypothesis. reply whether the n\lmber of complaints has We consider every citizen of India to be increased. I woul d like to know the number equally brave, prOVIded he gets an opportu- of complaints and the steps being taken in nity to show his bravery. that regard.
Telephone Exchanges in Gujarat SHRT RA.M NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, it is not possible to give the number of com- 450. SHRI NARSINH MAKWANA: plaints now but we have evolved a prOtedure Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS to deal with the complaints and to attend to be pleased to state : them. Whenever a complaint is received and registered, it is sent to the concerned (a) the number of the small telephone officer and efforts are made to redress the exchanges in Gujarat and the number of tele- complaint. phone connection') provided therefrom '! If we take the month of December. I (b) whether Government arc aware that would like to inform him that so far as the number of complaints about telephones Gujarat is concerned, the percentage of calls there is on the increase because smaJl tele- which could not materialize in small exchan- phone exchanges do not function properly; ges was only 1.9 and it was 2.6 in respect of and other exchanges. So far as the question of trunk calls is concerned. the percentage of effective trunk calls since 1970-71 is 76. (c) whether Government propose to set However. we endevour to provide stiU up IOOO-line big exchanges in pJace of ::,mall better facHitie. to our telephone sub:,cribers cxchanges~ which will result in reduced num- and especially for Gujarat, we have formu- ber of complaints. increased efficiency . and lated a scheme in the Seventh Five Year Plan prove less expensive? to replace the old exchanges including the small exchanges in a phased manner and to {English] install new exchanges.
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SHRI NARSINH MAKWANA: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Whatever the Hon. Minister has now said in (SHRI RAM NIW ~S MIRDHA) : (a) The reply 18 also given in the written reply, i.e., number of small telephone exchanges 'MAX- the installation of lOOO-line bia exchanges Ill) in Gl\iarat are 514 and the connections depends on the demand, financial viabiltty 19 APRIL M. 1983 20 and availability of automatic switdlina equip- tboae posts, bU1 we are requestiDi the Minis... ment. ] would like to know from the Hon. try of Finance that keeping in view the dis .. Minister, throuah you, whether Government cussions which are raised in this HoUle quite have placed any demand ,for automatic equip- often regardmg telephone services, ban ment and formulated any programme or should not be imposed on the operational scheme for that purpose. If so, what are its posts of this Department. If they agree to details? it, there wiJI be a considerable improvement in the matter which the Hon. Member has raised. SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: !...et me give one or two examples in respect of Gujarat. Durina the current year, two ele<;- SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Mr. tronic exchanges of 2000 lines each are being Speaker, Sir, the telephone exchange in imported and installed at Gandhi Dham and Junagarh is the biggest manual telephone ex- Veraval through modern methods and in change in Asia. 1 have received hundreds of 1985-86, electronic exchanges will also be telegrams during the last three days regarding installed at Porbaildart Mehsana and Gandhi complaints about Junagadh exchanges and so Nasar. Though the Seventh Five Year is Plan have the Hon. Minister also. I would like to a very ambitions plan, 1 cannot say for cer- know the steps proposed to be taken by the tain about other places, but the work in these Hon. Minister considering the fact that the five places which 1 have referred to, going on Junagadh Exchange, as everyone is aware is. and efforts will be made to complete it soon. the biggest manual telephone exchange.
SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: What SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: the Hon. Member has said is true to some Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to tell the Hon. extent. I am aware that this is a very big Minister that most of the complaints in res- mannual exchange haYing 3,200 lines and 1 pect of the small telephone exchanges arc due admit that ever since this exchange was flood- to the fact that proper maintenance is not ed a lot of problems are being faced in run- there. I would like to say on the basis of nig this exchange, We propose to replace this the infomlation about my own costituency exchange, for which a scheme has been for- that due to non·availability of maintenance mu1ated and, I am sure, it will be completed staff, which comprises technicians and 1inemen during the Seventh Five Year Plan. in sufficient number, they are unable to attend to the faults in the exchanges. I would like to know whether the Telephone Department SHRI MOHAN BHAI PATEL: lnsta- have issued a circular to the effect that no ]]ation of automatic exchange will take severa) selection of technicians and linemen can be years, but what do you propose to do tin made even for the sanctioned posts? Has then? this ban been imposed for whole of next year? SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: For the time being, efforts will be made to run SHRI RAM NIWAS MJRDHA: the existing exchange as efficiently as possible There is truth in what the Hon. Member has and we shall try to install new equipment as said. At some places there is shortage of early as possible. line staff and other technical personnel and the main reason for that is the ban on the SHRI MOHAN BHAI PATEL: YOll creation of new posts imposed for the last . did not give the number of complaints. one and a balf years. SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: What can be more serious than this that the Hon. SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: Members themselves are complaining ? Is there any base in respect of the posts aJ- ready sanctioned '? SHRI SOMJI BHAI DAMOR : Mr. Spea- ker, Sir, the condition of telephone exchanges SHRl R.AM NIWAS MIRDHA: There in our Gujarat State is such that for 10 miDu" is ban on making new appointments even on tes, nobody gives response from tbe exchange 21 CHAn1lA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Allsw'rs and if somebody makes a complaint. his tele- AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY phone disconnected. Thus, they neitner -put AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRJ through local caUs nor trunk calts. They say VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c). A "no reply' and disconnected the telephone. I statement is laid On the Table of the Sabha. want t" ask the HOD. Minister by what time .his manuai e' No ratio has been fixed by Central Molas .. SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir" ses Board for allocation of alcohol for in .. as I have said. it is not possible to replace dustrial and potable purposes. However, at all the exchanges at once.. but the exchanaes tbe meetings of the Central Molasses Board, where the situation is rather Keirn ace being since 1980, the State Governments have been replaced on a priority basis. consistently requested to strike a proper balance betwecn tbe use of Alcohol for pota- SHRIMATI USHA THAKKAR: Mr. bJe and industrial purposes so that reqirement Speaker, Sir. I welcome the statement of the of the Chemical Industries are fully met. Hon Minister regarding the telephone ex- From 19.J1.1975, the Government banned change at Gandhi Dham. Kutch, Abdasa, the creation of additional capacity or expan- Lakhpat and Mandavi are border areas, where sion of existing capacity for distillation or the telephones remain dead for days together. brewing of alcoholic drinks except in 100% I would like to know the steps proposed by export oriented cases. Units for manufac- the Hon. Minister to replace the exchange ture of Industrial Alcohol, however, are con- there. Sidered for grant of approvals on merits. SHRT RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, While making Inter-State allocations for ) do not have information about the place~ the alcohol year 1983-84 (Dec. 1983-Nov. about which the Hon. Member has specifically t 984) the demand of deficit states of alcohol ac;;ked. If she writes to me a letter. I shall for potable use was pegged to the 1982-83 send complete information about that. consumption level and allocation were made seperately for industrial and potable usc. For {English] the current alcohol year 1984-85, the Sub- Committee of Central Molasses Board has AllocatIon of Alcohol for Industrial decided to restrict the demand of alcohol for and Potable purposes potable use of all States/Union Territories to the 1982-83 consumption le\'e1 while for industrial purpos~s a 10% growth has been • 451. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: allowed. In order to enable the alcohol Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND based industries to utilise better their capa- FERTILIZERS be please to state: city, the Government has waived custom duty on import of denatured spirit for industrial (a) whether some of the sugar producing use upto 30.11.85 and permitted imports on a States have staTted altering the 2:1 ratio for case to case basis. allocation of alcohol for industrial and pota- ble purposes aRsinst the advice of the Central These measures have resulted/are ]jk~ly Molasses Board. thus upsetting the production to result restricting the production and schedule of industria' alcohol-based chemical in consumption of alcohol for potable use and industries all over the country; imdrove the availability of alcohol for indus- trial use. (b) if so, the steps taken to reverse tbe diversion in this respect; and SHR'I SATYAGOPAL MISRA: The chemical units in different States like Andhra (c) the results achieved 90 far from such Pradesh. West Bengal. Tamil Nadu and Uttar measures? Pradesh are either closing down, or are facmg difficulties due to the shortage of industrial THE MINISTER Of' CHEMICALS alcohol.. In view of tbis fact, may I lU1()w Oral ChtlIIlMweTS %4 23 AIIsw..,., APRIL 16, '"' from the hon. Minister: wbat is tbe BtCtual allocation orders are SiVCIl. They are made requirement for industrial alcohol in o",r from one State to the otber-from the surplus country, what is the qua.otityof production States to the deficit States. There is no and what are the proposals of the Govern· question of our suppJying this alcohol to a ment to meet the deficit ? particular State, becau&C alcohol is being produced in the States. It is a State subject. But as a coordinator, we want to see that SHRI VEEERNDRA PATIL : I can wberever tbcre is a deficit is made good from give the total picture about the production the surplus States. demand. Recently, we: had a meeting of the Molasses Control Board, where the State Excise ·SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN : As the demand Ministers are also represented. We had a for industrial purpose alcohol is increasing, detailed discussion about the estimated why not reduce the supply for potable production of alochol, both for industrial and alochol After aU. prohibition is an accepted potable purposes it will be of the order of 'r national policy and alochol rums families 6,000 lakh litres for the current aJochol year. nnd millions of people suffer like that in The demand from the different States that this country. Why not gradually reduce the was projected to us comes to about 3600 allocation for potable 'purposes within five lakh litres. So, according to that demand. to ten years? WiH the hon, Minister consider there is a shortage of 2600 lakh litres. But this prorosal '! our impression is that in many of the States, the demand is not as projected. They are trying to boost up the demand. Therefore, a SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : Regarding sub-committee was constituted; and in that the question of redcuing the supply for sub-committee, a decision was taken, viz. potable purposes, I think the GO\lernment ot that sofar as demand for potable purposes India cannot do much. We have already is concerned, it should be pegged down to the made known to several State Governments level of consumption during 1982-83; and for that so far as suppJy ()f alcohol is concerned, industrial alcohol. whatever consumption was preference should be given to industnal there last year, plus 10%, should be taken in purposes and alcohol for potable purpo~es to account. If these two norms which have should be met only after industrial purposes been laid down, are accepted, then I feel requircmet is fully met But I agree with the there is no shortage of alcohol in the country. hon. Member that the consumption for Even then, if any unit, based on alcohol feels potable purposes is going up. Earlier any shortage, then we have ~Ircady made it consumption for industrial purposes was much known to all these units and State Govern- more than the consumpt ion for potable ments that whatever quantity of industrial purp,,-1ses. But now the consumption, since alochol is required, they are at liberty to 1980-81, for potable purposes is going up and import it. There is no duty; it is completely compared to industrial purposes, the pota hIe free from duty. consumption is much more because of the policy of State Government; several State Governments have relaxed the prohibition SHRI SA TYAGOPAL MISRA: In the policy. Naturally, demand for potab1e ycar 1956, Government enacted a legislation purposes is picking up and it is growing up. equalizing the frieght on coal, steel etc. What But. it is for the State Governments to concrete steps have Government taken for consider within the States bow much they the distribution of industrial alochol to want to allocate for potable purpose and how different Stat~s at the same price, according much they want to allocate for industrial pur- to tbeir necessity ? poses But, as the Government of India, we have impressed upon the State Governmcnts SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: Sofar as to give prioity for industrial purposes. distribution or aJIQCation of alcohol is concerned, Government of india's role is the Gas Deposits In Tripara role of a coordinator. We have meetings of this Board. There, we discuss with the States *452. SHRI A10Y BISWAS: Will the about production and demand, and whether Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: they arc in a position to have any surplus, ,after taking into consideration all tbat,. the (a) Whether Go~ernment have m,de any CHA1Tl\A. 26. 1107 (SAKA) 26 detailed survey of the total deposits or sas, in information with reprd to the availability of Tripura region; sase 1 have specificaJly said in answer to questions (a) and (b) that "1082 million (b) if so, the total quantity of deposits cubic metres of recoverabl~ reserves of gas of gas so far assessed; and have been established." This is what has been established. So far as the information my learned friend has jiven with reprd to (c) whether Government have any the availability of gas during the seventh Five proposal to establish gas-based industries in Year Plan is concerned, we are not sure about Tripura for the proper utilisation of the it. The drilling is going on and unless the deposits of gas besides thermal plaut ? reserves are established, we ~ould not be able to agree to the suggestion or the forecast THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE which my Jearned friend has given. MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b). It is not correct to say that the Central Yes, Sir. As on 1-1-1984, 1082 million Government is ignoring Tripura in setting up cubic meters of recoverable reserves of gas industries the-reo In fact, the Tripura Govern- have been ~stablished. ment has made a request for su ppJy of gas for pow~r stations only. And we have already committed to the Tripura Government in (c) Further exploration of the different that regard. So far as industrialisation is structures in Tripura is cuntinuing and concerned, they have not indicated as to dependmg upon the overall results, a detailed which industries they are going to set up. programme of gas'utilisati0n will be drawn up. They have only written a letter saying that In the meantlme, the ONGC has agreed to the gas may be made available after 1987. supply some gas to the Tripura State EI(;ctri- But the purpose for which they demanded city Board for power generation. the gas is not indicated. Unless we have sufficient esla bJ ished reserves of gas, we will Gas based industries can be planned only not be in a position to commit anything at after more reserves are e~tablished. thi" State. If we have sufficient established reSCJ ves of gas, we can certainly consider the propl>sal of satting up the fertiliser plant, if SHRI AJOY BISWAS : The Minister has it is worthwhile to do it. said about reservation, but he has not said what is the total quantity of gas that will be available. So, 1 am telling you that the SHRI AJOY BISWAS: The Engineers officials are not supplying the correct infor- India Limietd have made some I\lrveyabout mation to the Minister. It has already been establishment of gas, based industries in complicated, There are three places like Tripura. Will the Central Government look Baramura, Roukhia and Gujalia. We can get in to the matter and accept their proposal? just now one Lakh and titfy tbous~nd cubic metres of gas. During the 7th plan, we ~hall SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: get about 10 lakh cubic metres of gas. There As 1 have replied earlier, unless we have is hugs gas available in Tripura. Tripura is established reserves of gas, we will not be in industrially a bakward State and the Central a position to commit anything. The present Government actua)Jy is not coming forward availability of gas is not sufficient for to set up any industry in Tripura. 1t is a establishing any industry in that area. As and step-motherly attitude towards Tripura when sufficient reserves of gas are established, people. The 7th plan has been finalised. Will we will certainly look in to all the proposals the Minister assure the House that in the 7th which come to this Ministry. plan he will include gas based fertilizer plant for Tripura ? [Translation] SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: SHRI C. P. THAKUR: Mr. Speaker, With reaard to infurmation which I have Sir, sometime back, gas reserves were found supplied, my hOD. ,friend has ,doubted the in Motihari in Bihar, ,but no ful1bcr ptogress 27 APJUL 16, 1985 28 is beilJl made in that rcprd. 'English] SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 do not have information MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND about the question L"ked by the hon. COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF Member. If he gives a notice and gives in MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. writins. he can get information in this regard. (b) In the event of the unit not being [English] able to come into existence within one yearis period, the validity of provisional reaistration DR. KRUPASINOHU BHOI: I want to can be extended by another year by the know whether he had delineated the zone of Director of Industries of the State. Further, formation of hydro-carbon in Tripura? if so, the validity of the pro"isional registration what is the name of the organisation which can be extended beyond two years by the had done it? In the world there is no State Director of Industries with the con~ technique to assess the mineable reserves of currence of DC (SS I). hydrocarbon or gas. Ba!ed on that, will the Minister tell whether it is probable (c) Yes, Sir. recoverable reserve or established reserve? (d) Final decision has yet to be taken SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: in the matter. I have already stated that this is an established reserve of gas, which means that the gas which can be available from various we))s [Translation] which have been drilled. SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI : I would like [Trans/ation] to know from the Hon. Mini5ter the details of the proposal of Madhya Pradesh Govern- ment which is pending with him. the date Registration of Small Scale Units since when it is pending and the reason for not accepting or rejectin& the same so *455. SHRI BALKAVI BAlRAGl : far? SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH; (EnglishJ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pelased to state: MR. SPEAKER : Question Hour is over now. (a) whether the initial period of the proposed registration of small scale units is valid for one year; (b) if so, the period for whi~h the same can be extended in the event of non-setting WR.ITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS up of unit by entrepreneur w,thiu the period of one year; [Eng/ish 1 (c) whether any proposal of Madhya Bye.Procfucts Bombay High Pradesh Government is pending with the or Development Commissioner (Small Scale Industries) for e,tending the validity period -453. SHRI SHANTARAM POT ... of the proposed feaistration of small scale DUKHE: Will the Minister of PETRO· units; and LEUM be plea seQ to state: (d) If so, the action t.aken by Government (a) the total petroleum production fl1 to simplify the rules in this regard ? Bombay Siah during 1984-85; 29 CHAIT&A 26. 1901 (SAKA) Writ"" .4Mw.. 30 (b) tbo byo.. producta of Bombay HiJb; loina by the substantial increase in the and production of fertilizers over the years. Inci- dentally, the retention pric:es scheme is re- viewed periodically, and to ensure that (c) whether Government proposed to changes to improve its effectiveness further tap them ? to achieve the objective are duly ensured and the increase in subsidy burden is obviated, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE except where such increase is justified on MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI account of (a> increase in input costs and NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) (a) The (b) increase in volume of production, dom- total production of crude oil from Western estically. With this end in view, currently Offshore fields during 1984-85 was 20.1 a High Powered Committee is review iDa the million tonnes. present system for suggestions for improve- ments, etc. (b) and ,c). The bye-product of the crude oil is associated natural gas which in (b) Though production of fertilizers any case comes out with crude oil. About has increased over the years, helped by the 60 percent of this gas is utilised for retention pric\! scheme, there has been a pro- fertilizer and power production and in the gressive increase in demand also due to the refineries at Bombay. growth of agriculture. Imports have, there- fore, to be made to supplement our own Ret_tioll Price System for Fertilizers production. *454. SHRI R. ANNANAMBI: Will (c) As substantial imports of fertilizers the Mimster of CHEMICALS AND FERTi- are result of demand growth outstripping LIZERS be pleased to state : the indigenous capacity for production, the basic thrust for future of Government policy is to ensure installation of additional capa- (a) whether it is a fact that the Reten- city based on reliable technology. In this tion Price S),slcm for fertlll1..ers has fall~d to cnntext, it may be noted that two-twin units de~ired achieve the objectIves and bas led to or large gas-based fertilizers plants are under increasing quantum of subsldy; comml~sioning and wou1d be in production soon, and in addition, 6 gas-based plants (b) whether the failure of the said have been cleared for implementation during System has forced the Government to &0 the 7th Five Year Plan. Imports are expec- in for more imports ; and ted to be minimised after these plants go in- to production. (c) if so, the present thinking of Go- vernment in this regard ? [TranslatIOn] Linking of Falzabad (U.P.) with Major THE MINISTER OF CHEM1CALS Cities by S.T.D. AND FERTiLIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): ta) The reten- *456. SHRI R. P. SUMAN: Will tion price scheme for fertilizers is linked the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be with the Government policy to make the pleased to state : fertilile'rs, the most important input for Increasing agricultural production, available (a) whether Faizabad District head- to tbe fanners at reasonable and conrollc:d quarters in Uttar Pradesh was linked with prices. The retention price scheme is meant major telephone exchanges including Delhi, to encouraae and increase indigenous pro- Patna, Jaipur and Bhubneshwar by S.T.D. duction of fertilizers by enabling the manu- service in August, 1984; facturers to obtain a reasonable return on their investment. The objective of tbe . re- (b) if so, whether this service is still tention price scheme has been fully met, operative; ,) APIUL 16. 198' (c) if nbt, ttU: reasons th~reror; (b) if so, the reaction of Government and the steps taken ? (d) when it is proposed to restore that facility; and THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) and (b). There was a request made to Government (e) whether Government also propose for the take over of Woman Gorden Forge to provide S.T .D. facility to major industrial and AlJied Industries Limited. The request towns of district Faizabad, namely Akbarpur was examined but accommodation in the Jalalpur and Tanda where large number of matter of recovery of advances given to the of 'Weav("n live and if so, when? firm by the Ministry of Defence. which is under examination. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Shortage of Nylon Fabric (SHRJ RAM NIWAS MJRDHA): (a) Yes Sir. Via Kanpur TAX. (Trunk Automatic *458. SHRI B. V. DESAI: Will the Exchange). Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) Yes. Sir. (a) whether the Tubber industry is de- eply concerned over the inadequate avai1abi- (c) & (d). Not applicable. lity of indigenous nylon fabric and abnor- mally high cost of imported material due to (e) Fairabad is connected to Kanpur high customs and excise duties; Trunk Automatic Exchange and S.T.D. ser- vice is available to a number of stations (b) if so, whether indequate availability from Faizabad. STD ~rvice between of nylon fabric has affected the rubber pro- Faizabad and more number of cities has duction; and been proposed during 7th Plan period. (c) if so, the steps Government propo~C' to take to help the rubber industry to over· Due to limited availability of switchins come this situation. and transmission equipment even a large number of priority stations lik.e distrj~t head- quarters are yet to be provided with STD THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS facilities. The STO facilities to stations like AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Akbarpur, ]alalpur and Tanda will be consi- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI dt:red after meeting the requirements of pri- VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (e). There ority stations. has been a marginal shortfall in the indige- nous availability of nylon tyre cord as com- pared to the requirement~ of the automotive Assista~ to Mis Wyman Gorden Forge tyre industry due to closure of one of the and Allied ladustriel major tyre cord units in the counrry. How- ever, this has not affected production of tyre *457. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: and other rubber-based industries using nylon Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE be pleased tyre: cord. to state; Import or Oil (a) whether Government have been urged to give assistance to the defence ori- *459. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN .. ented Wyman Gorden Forge and AHied DAL: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM Industries Limited at Kudal in Sindhudurg be pleased to state : District of the backward Konkan region of Maharashtra to keep its operations on at full (a) the C'ttimated oil imports durjn& the level or in the alternative take over the in- current year; dustrial concern in the interest of workers as wen as production; and (b) Whether all c:ontra(;ts for import 33 Wfintn AmMll'''' CHA111tA':Mi, 1901 (SARA) '4 ()f cnJde oil bave been conclu4ed; COMPANY AFFAIRS \SHR.I VlmRBN- DRA PATIL): (a) Indo-British Fertilizer Educatign Project is beiO& implemented by (c~ Wiletber acoord"" t9 all analysis M s Hhadustan Fertilizer Corporation LimI- ipdu$~ri~lised of data from major nations, ted in selected districts of Assam~ Bihar, world oi4 demand waicb seemed to De revi- Madhya PradesA, Orisia. Uttar Pradesh anJ Vlna ouri", 1984, is Jik THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) and (d). Yes, Sjr~ The recommend .. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI ations of this monitoril1l team have not NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) been received so far. During the calendar year J98 5, the estimated import of crude oi~ wiU be 14.6 miJlion of and tonnes. uplO1'ation Oil Natural Gas in ADdaman and N icobar islands (b) An the contracts with foreign Natio- ·461. SHRY MANORANJAN BHAKTA: naJ Oi) Companie!t have been concluded. Will the Mmister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state : (c) and (d). There are oonflicting re- ports on estimated demand for oil in the (a) whether Government have taken world during 1985. However, a constant off-shore and on-shore drilling operations watch is kept on the market. Nearly one In the Andaman and N icobar Islands; third of our oil requirements IS purchased in the spot market to take advantage of the (b) if so,. the numher of such drilling lower prices.. operations conducted and the results thereol~ Indo-Britlsb Fertilizer Education Project (c) whether Government propose to intensIfy expJoration of od and natural gas *460. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY in these Islands; and Wilt the Minister of CHEMICALS AND ~ERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (d) if so. what are the proposals? (a) the names of States where Fertilizers THE MIN1STER OF STATE OF THE Education and Agriultw'al Development MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Programme is und~rtaken in the name of NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and Indo-British Fertilizer Education Project; (b). Exploratory drillmg has heen under· taken by ONGC, only In the off~hore area (b) whether it is going to be wound where four wells have been dnlled so far. up next year; One of them prOduced gas at the rate of l.~ lakh cubic metees per day. ('C) whether the Overseas Development Administration Monitoring Team of tl.K. (c) and Cd). Another offshore wen wa" Government has visited these projects in the spudded in April 1985, During 1985-87 tirst week of March, 1985; and drilting of five weUs is contemplated .hY ONGC. Oil India Limited is ako planmng to take up drilling in some parts of the (d) if SOt the recommendations made by basin. this learn ? Import of Crude 0.1 THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND *462~ SHRI R. P. GAEKWAD: Will 35 APRIL l' • 198' Wrillen AMw,,, 36 the Minister of PDTROLBUM be pI ..... to of accidents has since been conducted and atate : if so, the deta ils thereof ? (a) whether crude oil imports dorina the Seventb Five Yoar Plan are expected to 10 . THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI up; P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be (b) Nil, in view of (a) above. pleased to st':lte: (c) There have been occasional delays (a) whether two LA.F. aircrafts crash- in the receipt and despatch of mails from ed in Jamnagar and Gorakbpur during the Calcutta on account of non-availability of third week of March, 1985; ship sailings, and labour problems. Exist- ns procedures are also being streamlined. (b) if ~o, the causes of accidents; Rehabilitation of Ex-Serviceme. (c) the estimated loss of life and pro- perty; and 3112. SHRJ INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased (d) whether any inqu·iry into the causes to state: 37 ",,111m AnswtP'J CHAITRA 26. 1907 (SAKA) Wrltt~ ~'trl 38 (a) whether his attention has been Action 011 Complain" from COIISaDIer5 drawn to tbe sUl8estion that servicemen Association by' MRTP Commission &bould be automatically transferred after reaching the aae of army retirement to any 3114. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will of tbe para-military, police or security forces, the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM- thereby a1Jowing them to remain employed PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: up to 58 years like other Central Government ~ervaDts and so'ving tbe problem of rebabi· (a) the details of complaints received litation of ex-servicemen; and by MRTP Commission from consumer associations under sections lO(a))i) & (b) if so, his reaction thereto? 36(B)(a) of the MRTP A.:t since 1 August, 1984 along with name/address of THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE each complainant, nature of each complaint. (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): action taken in each case including date of (a) Yes, Sir, The High Level Committee on commencement/completion of preliminary investigation; Problems of Ex-Servicemen has also consi- dered this proposal and has observed that it merits very careful and sympathetic consi- (b) the details of complaint made by deration. VOICE against manipulation of price of soft drinks whose retail price are three times (b) As was recognised by the High their ex-factory prices; and Level Committee itself the final decision would reqUire a detailed examination of the (c) whether preliminary jnvestigation in proposal from all angles. these complaints is complete; if not, whether it wtll be expedited particularly when sol t Expansion of Defence Research drink companies propose to hike their prices Organf~tion in April, 1985 ? 3113. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MUNSHI : WJll the MlOister of DEFENCE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- be pleased to state: PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHA- MAD KHAN): Statements I and II con- (a) whether Defence Research Organi- taining the requisite information are laid on ~ation for equipment and arms etc. needs the Table of the House-[Placed in the to be expanded; Library. See No. LT 936/85]. (b) whether this organisafion needs (b) and (c). The requisite information is foreign technological assistance; and given in the annexed Statement 1I. (c) if so, the steps taken by Government Creation of Directorate for Legal Aid in thi4i regard? Schemes THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE {SHRI P. V. NARAS1MHA RAO): 3115. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: (a) The augmentation of infrastructure in Wtll the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE terms of manpower/equipment etc. is a be pleased to state whether Government continoous process and it carried out progres- proposes to create a Directorate for Impk- sively as required. menting Legal Aid Schemes ? (b) Yes, Sir. Foreign assistance is re~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE quired in certain high technolugy areas. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE: (SHRI H. R. BHARADW AJ) : Government (h) The collaboratjve programmes and do not propose to create a Directorate for con~ultancy BBt"Cement are entered into with Implementing Legal Aid Schemes. However, foreign countries on as required basis. Government have constituted a Committee: 39 APJtIL J6,.I98" 'Wrillelf ,A,1IJWerl 40 for Imp}cInCDtina lAaal Aid Sc~ under Fereip CelJaboratioa Aareemeata .. tbe Cbairmaasbip of Sbti Justice P.N. Bbag- CeosUiber GHU 'Wati,. a siuioa Judae of the Supreme Court of India. 3117. SHR.I PIY\JS TIRAKY; Will the MinisteJ; gf U}tlD\JSTRY AND COM- Licences (or Pttrol/Dlesef Pamps for PANY AFFAlRS be plcued to &tate ~ Hilar aDd lilamp., In Nalanda (Bihar) (a) whetbel' fore ian coUaboratioD &lrec ... ments an! also made for maltinB coki-drinks. 3116r SHR.} VIlA Y )( UMAR. kc-creams, ~hocolates and biscl.lita and YADAV: Will the Minister 01 PE11l.0- c"smetics as well; and LEUM be pleased to state: (a) Whether it is fact that tbere is no (b) if SQ, tbe delails and rcasOQS there- for '! petrol or diesel pump in Hilsa, the Sub- divisional headquarter under Nalanda disU'i~t in Bihar; THE MINISTER Of' STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- (b) whether it is also a fatt that though PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHA- licences for petrol/diesel pumps for h1ampur MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b)_ The itemri o( were granted several years ago, the licencees prod~ction referred to in the question have not opened such pumps there; are treated as consumer indLstries fm which fQr.:isn ~ollabo.ratIQI1, tlllan~ial or (b) whether non-existence of petrol/diesel technical, is not considered ne,es~ary ordi- pumps in Hilsa and lslampur is causing Ilarily. However, proposals for obtaining. great inconvenience to the consumers and foreign collaboration are considered cn ments. peasants; for these items a1so~ if such collaboration arc justified having regard to factors such as the nature of the technology involved, whcthet (d) if so, whether Government have any it wHl enabk or pfomote exports etc. The proposal to sanction petrol/diesel pumps for details showing the names of lndian and Hilsa and Islampur in Nalanda district of foreign firms, the items of manufacture, Bihar; and nature of collaboration, aJlowed are puhlished on a quarterJy basis by the Indian lnvesl- (e) If so, the details thereof? ment Centre as a supplement to its monthly News Letter. Copies of these publication~ are sent regularly to the Parliament Library. THE MINISTRY OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAl.. KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes Manufacturing aDd assembry of componenti Sir. for Matters by Small Industrial unitt for B.H.E.L. (b) The oil industry ha~ not appointed 3118. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: any dealer for a retail outkt at lslampur. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) During the agricultural season, some of the consumers face some inconvenience (a) whether the Bharat Heavy Elettricals. because the nt:arest outlets at Ek.angar Sarai Ltd. (BHEL) has entrusted the work ot" and Didarganj are more than 10 Kms away. te~ting, manufacturing and assembly of the components for meters to some small indus- (d) and (e). Yes. Sir. loe has a pr(lpo~al trial unit~ i.n the private sector; '0 develop a retail outlet at Hilsa in Nalanda District under Open ca.tegory. There i~, (b) if so, the number of such industnal however, no proposal to develop any retaal units in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil \)~1et at lslanlpw-. 'Nadu. Maharashlra, Gujarat and West 41 CHAlTllA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answerl 42 Denaal, who have been entrusted with such entrusted with the manufacture of meter works by BHEL. and how far this policy of components in the &ix States is u follows;- BHEL has helped fn developing ancillary units in those States; and State No. (c) the value of business, particularly orders for ~upJy of meters of Electric Supply 1. Karnataka 137 Corporations or State Electricity Boards received by BHEL from these States during 2. Andhra Pradesh 3 the past three years ? 3. Tamil Nadu 12 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- 4. Maharashtra 21 PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARlF MOHAM- MAD KHAN) : (8) BHEL has not entrusted 5. Gujarat 18 to any small scale industrial units in the private sector the work of assembly and 6. West Bengal Nil testing of components for meters. Only ------.. ------. manufacture of some components of meters j~ farmed out to them. An industrial For manufacture of meters, BHEL has not unit managed by Tatuka Development Board undertaken any special programme for de- at P",nnampet in Coorg District, carries out velopment of ancillary units. The company a~sembly and testing of meters. These is utilising the facilities of existing industrial meters are finally tested under the supervision units for manufacture of meter components. of BHEL quality inspector~. (c) The value of orders received by ~b) The number of small scale units BHEL from the six States is as foHows : (Rs. in lakhs) State 1982·83 J 983-84 1984-85 Karnataka 43.71 131.62 244.86 Andhra Pradesh 9.74 37.15 6.18 Tamil Nagu 28.86 19.11 52.07 M aharashtra 115.60 18.69 20.24 Gujarat 148.39 23.92 200.99 West Bengal 19.89 57.52 68.09 Investment made by Joint Stock (only paid·up capital) in the joint stock Companies companies in the country-both public sector and private sector; and 3119. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY (bl the number of public sector and AFFAIRS be pleased to state : private sector companies wlth paid up capital (a) the total investment of share capital of Rs. 25 lakhs and ove'r ? 43 Wrilt~" AnJW~r$ APRIL 16, 198' 44 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF (a) the details of tbe industries de ... MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) Paid up Jicensed recently and on what conditions; capital of the companies limited by shares and at work as on 31st December 1984 was as follows: (b) whether Covernment propose to delicence more industries keepina in view the Rs. crores need to stimulate industrial gruwth and simplify industrial Licensing 'policy and Government Companie~ 17,369 procedures ? Non Government Companies 5,782 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- Total: 23,151 PAN~ AFFAIRS: (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- MAD KHAN: (a) The requisite mfor- (b) Detailed data on paid-up capital of mation is available in this Ministry"s Noti- all the companles with liability limited by fication dated HHh March 1985 published in shares is collected by the Department of the Gazette of India Extra Ordinary of the Company Affairs every five years. The last same date. copy of whictt is available in study waS made in respect of the companie~ Parliament Library. Ht work as on 31·3-t 980. According to this study, there were 2,444 non-Governm (a) the details regarding the number of (a) the average year-wise consumption companies engaged in the manufacturing of and production of oil in the country during drugs in the country and their break-up as the Sixth Five Year Plan period; Indian and foreign companies; and (b) whether Government propose to treble oil output during the Seventb Plan (b) the capital investment of each of these period; and companies '! (c) if so, the various programmes propo- sed to be launched in ditierent oil fields ror THE M[NISTER Of CHEMJCALS AND that purpose '1 FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA TaB MINISTBR OP STATE OF THB MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHill PATIL : (a) To the extent details are NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) The available, there are about 253 un its in the year-wise production and requirement of crude organised sector which are manufacturing oil during the Sixth Plan period is as under : drugs and pharmaceuticals. Of the 16 are (Millioll TOflll") FERA Companies. Year Production llequirement (b) Details of capital investment and emplorment of these companies are not 1980-81 10.51 34.56 available as they are not monitored by this 1981-82 16.19 3S.84 Ministry. 1982-83 21.06 37.89 De-Li~nsiaa of Industries 1983-84 26.02 39.55 1984.. 85 20.10 SO.'4 312L SHRIMATI MADHURI SINGH: Will tbe Minister of INDUSTRY AND (Apr .-Dec.) 45 Written A118W~r3 CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAKAJ Wrillell Aluwers 46 (b) and (c). The Seventh Plan is yet to Gujarat 2 be finalised. J&K. 4 10 Construetlon of Reslc1ential Colonies and Departmental Buildings By Postal and Kamataka 2 Telecommunication Boards Kerala 2 3113. PROF. NARAIN CHAND Madhya Pradesh 2 10 PARASHAR Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: Maharashtra 2 (a) whether any programme for the North Eastern 4 10 construction of residential colonies and departmental buildings for Post Offices/Tele- North Western 4 40 phone Exchanges has been drawn up by the Postal and Telecommunication Boards for the Orissa 2 iO year 1985-86; Rajasthan 3 40 (b) if so, the details thereof, Circle-wise; Tamil Nadu 2 (C) if not the reasons therefor; Uttar Pradesh 3 40 West Bengal 3 (d) whether such a plan would be finalised 40 at the earliest; and Telecommunication: (e) the likely date by which it would be In view of (a) above, question does not done? anse. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (C) Postal MINISTRY,OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Does not arise. (a) POltsl Telecommunication : Yes Sir. In view of (a) above, question does not Telecommunlca tion arise. The programme for the construction of (d) Postal residential colonies and buildmgs for the telepbone exchanges is planned on 5 year Does not arise. basis and construction is carried out depen- Telecommunication: ding on the availability of resources. In view of \a) above, question does not (b) Postal arise. State Postal Office Staff Quarters (e) Postal buildings Does not arise. Andhra 2 Telecommunication : Bihar 2 In view of (a) above question does not Delhi 1 arise. 47 Wrlttnt A,,~,s APRIL 16. 1985 Wrillen Answerl 48 Prices of Drugs for Treatment of T. B. Government are the ma1timum sale prices and manufacturers are free to sell these bulk 3124. SHRI R.M. BHOYE: Will the drugs at prices not exceedins the above Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILI- prices. Whenever any instance of the sale ZERS be pleased to state : price beina lower than the price allowed in the formulations come to the notice of the (a) the names of the major mass con- Government, action is initiated under the sumption drugs for treatment of T .B.; Drugs (Prices Control) Order, 1979 to re- cover, the difference. (b) whether these 'drugs are easily avai- Hydrocarbons Production by O.N.G.e lable to the poor patients in the country'? (c) jf so, the prices thereof; 3125. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be (d) whether the present actual prices of pleased to state : these drugs are much less than the sale price; and (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas Commission proposes to double its hydro- (e) if so, the action Government have carbons production during the Seventh Five taken in this regard ? Year Plan; THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS (b) if so, the schemes prepared by AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY O.N.G.C. to implement its proposal; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDA PATIL : (c) the names of the onshore sectors identified by O.N.G .c. to modernise explo- (a) to (c). The major mass consumption ration work in tho.ie sectors; anti-TB drugs and their prices fixed under Drugs (Prices Control) Order, 1979 are as (d) the estimated cost of those sectors~ follows ;- and (e) the details thereof? S). No. Name of the Prices Rs./Kg. Bulk Drug THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (a)·~ l. Streptomycin . 847.42 NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (e) • The target of crude production and ~tali"of 2. Pyrazinamide 1273.55 the exploration programme during I. the Seventh Five Year Plan would be avaiJable 3. Sodium PAS 99.92 only after the finalisation of the Seventh Plan. 4. PAS Acid 105.34 Appointment of Dealers for Petroleum 5. INH 174.00 Products 6. Ethambutol 681.00 3126. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM' be pleased to state: Rifa.mpicin is not produced in the country and as such the prices of formula- (a) the current backlog in the appoint- tions based on this drug are regulated ment of dealers for petroleum products; based on the average land cost of imports prevailing from time to time. All these drugs (b) the reasons for such buae backlog; arc easily available for the patients. (c) the steps being taken to clear tbe (d) and (e). The prices as fixed by the banking and the time by which the backlog is 49 Written Answers CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SARA) Written Answers so expected to the cleared; and not provided water borne sanitary system around Shantinagar so far; (d) the salient features of the scheme fore selection of dealers and the progress of (d) if SOt when the same will be provi· the scheme '1 ded; and THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE (e) the action proposed to be taken for MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI immediate conversion of the existing manual NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) As cleaning of privies into the sanitary system on April 1, 1985., selections for approxima- by the Kanpur Cantonment Board? tely 1,779 dealerships were pending. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (b) and (c), Selections for appointment P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) to (e). of deaJers are made by the 4 oil Selection The water borne sanitary system eXists in Boards. The selection process itself takes some areas of the Cantonment Board some time, involving as it does adequate Kanpur. Though the residents of the Can- udvertisement for applications, interviewsy tonment area have been repeatedly demand- requisite field enquiries etc. At times the ing for extension of water borne sanitary lack of adequate response and failure to find system to covc:r the entJre area, the Canton- any candidate suitable. results in delay. ment Board has not initiated any such pro- With a view to speeding up the disposal of posal due to the fact that sufficient water pending selections. two more Oil Selection supply and the requisite funds are not Boards are being constituted. It i! expected a'vallable. The Cantonment Board will that the work pendmg at the beginning of consider and take up the proposal as soon as 19H5-86 will be cleared during the year. the water supply position improves and sufficient funds afe available to meet the (d) The locations included in the cost of water borne sanitary system to cover Marketing plan are advertised in Newspapers the entire area. by the concerned oil company invitmg applications from the eligible and interested persons in accordance with the reservation Exploration of ga~ in Mizoram of distributorships for various categories of per~ons. Selection from amonge~t eligible 3128. SHRI LAL DUHOMA : Will the candidates is done by the appropriate Oil Minister of PETkOLEUM be pleased to Selection Board. The Oil Company concerned state: then issues Letters of Intent in accordance with the panel recommended by the Oil (a) whether a team of experts has ever S-.:Iection Board. been sent to explore gas in Mlzoram; Prodsion for water borne sanitary system around Shantinagar, Kanpur (b) if so, when and its results 1 3127. SHRI V. SREENIVASA PRASAD: (c) whether Gov~rnment are aware that Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to the local people have found gas near Bairabi Mate: in the North Western part of Mizoram~ and (a) whether the proposal for laying (d) whether there is any proposal to sewer lines within Cantonment area in carry out exploration of ga.., potentiality in Kanpur has been pending with authorities Mizoram? for a number of year~; THE MINISTER OF STATE OJ- THI: (b) whether the residents and Kanpur MINlSTRY OF PETROLEUM ~SHRI Cantonment Board have been pressing hard NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and for the same for the last several years; (b). The ()NGC ,has explored this area during 1972-73 and 1977-79. Four partly (c) whether the Canto'lment Board has years of geoio&ical field survey has been 'I Written Answers APRIL 16, 1985 Written Answer, 52 done so far. Several reproted oil and gas (a) whether new registration for cookina shows have also been invest igated but the gas connection is being contemplated by the results have not been very encouraging. Hindustan Petrolewn Corporation; (c) No, Sir. (b) if so, whether the Corporation would be able to cater to the needs of the existing (d) The hill track of Mizoram is not customers; considered prospective for hydrocarbons and it is not proposed to undertake explorat ion (c) whether the Corporation has also in the area in the near future. manufactured mini-cylinders; and Review of Postal Delivery Sef\'ices (d) jf so, what are the working plans of the mini-cylinders; 3129. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- CATJONS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINlSTR Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) (a) whether there is any proposal under Yes, SIr. the consideration of Government to review the postal delivery services in the country; (b) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the details in this regard; (c) No, Sir. (c) wheth~r Government have conducted any survey regarding the villages in which the (d) Does nlH arise. posta) delivery services are not satisfactory, particularly in Orissa State: and Allotment ot' petrol pumps in Sidbi district (Madhya Pradesh) (d) if so, the steps Government have taken or propose to_take in this regard '? 3] 31. SHRI MOT] LAL SINGH: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be plcased to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE state : MINISTRY OF COMMUNICAT10NS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) (a) Whether some petrol pumps have The Department is constantly reviewing been allotted to some persons recently in the the working of the entire postal system and Sidhi District of Madhya Prade~h; is examining ¥rays and means to improve it. (b) if SOt the details thereof; (b) The method of monitoring mai] has hoen tightened up and several suggestions for (c) the total number of persons called streamlining and improving the working for interview; procedures are under examination. (d) the details of petrol pumps given (c) Yes t Sir. A survey was conducted to tribal people, Scheduled Castes and in the year 1982 in Orissa State and the others; postal delivery services in rural areas were found satisfactory. (e) whether some more petrol pumps are likely to be given in this District in the near future; and (d) Question does not arise. Registration for Cooking Gas (f) if so, th~ details thereof? connections THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 3130. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will MINISTR Y OF I'ETROLEUM (SHRI the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) state : No, Sir. S3 CHAITIlA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers S4 (b) Does Dot arise. (f) if Dot, the reasons therefor; and (c) In connection with HPCL's retail (&J the time by which the construction outlet at Nikvel, since the two persons called of building will be completed and a post fok' in.terview by Oil Selection Board (East) office opened ? were found ineliaible, a fresh advertisement for inviting applications has been issued. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE The lone candidate for JOC's retail outlet MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS at Bebri was also found ineligible by the (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a> Yes. Oil Selection Board. Sir. (d) Docs not arise. (b) 25 -9-1977 (e) and (f). The Oil Industry plans to develop 6 petroljdiesal pumps in Sindhl (c) Yes, Sir. District as under :- (d) 23-2-1983 S1. No. Location Category (e) No, Sir. (f) The detailed drawings and detailed L Behri ST estimate relating to this post office buildinl are under finalisation. 2. Majouli ST (g) The work is expected to be com .. 3. Nikvel Open menced during 1985·86 and expected to be completed in about 12 months from the 4. Singrauli SC date of commencement. 5. Deosar ST Allotment or Petroleum Ptoducts for 6. Bhagawar UG!UGE Allahabad 3133. SHRJ RAM POOJAN PATEL: Wi1l the Minister of PETROLEUM be Openina of Post Office at Gole Bazar, pleased to state : Kbaragpur (a) the annual quota of Kerosene Oil 3132. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : L.P. GllS and Pettol earmarked for Allaha.. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS bad City during the current financial year; be pleased to state: (b) the total annual quota of petroleum (a) whether Government have given products during the period from January. sanction for opening of a post office at Gole 1978 to February, 1985 for Allahabad. city; Bazar, Kharagpur in We ... t Bengal; {c) the number of people living in (b) if so, when the sanction wa~ ~iven; rural areas Qf Altahabad, and Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tnbes among them (c) whether Government have secured who bave have been given the agmcy of lal1d tot construction of the building for the kerosene oi1 t petrol pumps and L.P. gas post office; during tbe period as in (b) above; (0) if so. when; (d) the number of people of areas as in (c) above to be covered for net work or (e) whether the CODstTu~tion ()f the such agencies during the Seventh Five Year buildina Bas been ~ompleted; PWl; WrlUe" An8WeTl APRIL 16, 1985 Written AIt.m'er, .56 (e) whether any request for revision of [Traits/a/ion] quota of petroleum products has been rece .. ivcd from the State Government for' Allaha- Peoples' Court. bad city; and 3135. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: tf) if so, Governmenfs reaction there- Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE on'? be pleased to state: THE MlNISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether 3] Peorlets Courts (Lok MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI AdaJats) have been set up under the First NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Allo- Public Court (Lok Adalat) constituted in cation of kerosene oi] on a four month block Uttar Pradesh on trial basIs to ensure inex- basis are made by Government to the States pensive and speedy justice to the people; and a))ottments to the Districts are made by the State Government, There is no system (b) if so, whether Government propoc;e of annual quota of quantities earmarked for to set up sUl:h Courts at other places al~o tt ny district in respect of LPG and Motor in the country on the basis of results achieved Spirit. from the functioning of those courts and If so, by what time; and (b) Does not arise. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) and (d). The information is being collected and wIll be laid on the Table of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the House. MINISTRY 01· LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H. K. BHARADWAJ) : (a) Accord- ing to the informatIOn furni"lhcd by the (e) No, Sir. Committee for Implementang Legal Aid Schemes constituted by the Government, a (f) Does not arise. Lok Adalat was organised under the auc.,pi- ces of the DI~tnct Legal Aid and AdVice Functions of Zila Sainik Board at Committee on 23.9.1984 at Meerut. In the Sonepat, Haryana Camp, 31 Lok Adalab were also organi~cd. 3134. SHRl DHARAMPAL SJNGH (b) The Committee for Implementing MALIK: Will the Minister of DEFENCE Legal Aid Schemes have informed Govern- be pleased to ~tate : ment that the !-tetling up of Lok AdaJats In the country is a continuing process. Such (a) whether a Zila Sainik Board is fun- Lok AdaJats are organbed by the State ctioning for the welfare of ex-servi;emen at Legal Aid and Advice Board~. Sonepat, Haryana, and (c) Does not arise. (b) if so, the main functions of the said Board and the number of persons bene- [English] fltted since August, 19H4 to date? Show cause notice .0 Gwalior Rayon THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Units P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) Yes, Sir. 3136. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PAS .. (b) The main functions of the Zila WAN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY Sainik Board are to look after the welfare AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to and resettlement of the ex-Servicemen and state: their families. During the period 1.8.84 to 31.3.85 the Zila Samik Board, Sonepat has (a) whether Government are aware that extended help and benefits to about 1270 some of the Gwalior Rayon units of ex-Servicemen and about 300 widow of ex- Madhya Pradesh and Kerala are violating servicemen. the J .D.R. Act and M.R.T .P.; 57 Wrllten AnlWerl CHAITRA 2~, 1907 (SAKA) Written AllIwn" 58 (b) whether any show cause notice has (b) to (d). The Task Force is a profess- been issued to the company under I.D.R. ional body charged with specific responsibi- Act and M.R.T.P. Act; and lities of scrutinising techno-economic feasi- biity and viability of the scbeme submitted (c) if so, the details thereof? by educated unemployed youth and for en- suring that the loans are recommended to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the deserving cases. People's representatives MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- are already" members of District Advisory PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- Committee for the DICs where the working MAD KHAN) : (a) to (e). The requisite is reviewed and it is not considered neces- information iii being collected and will be sary to associate them at lower levels. laid on the Table of the House. Arrest of Employees of Hindustan Petroleum ,Trans/alionJ Corporation and Indian Oil Corporation in connection with Kerosene Mishap in Committees set up to grant loans to Kerala Educated Unemployed 3137. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER 3138. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH: JAIN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY SHRI HARISH RAW AT ; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state : (a) whether the Committee appointed at district level for giving loans and grantS (a) whether the Manager of public to the matriculates and more educated un- sector Hindustan Petroleum Corporation in employed ~rsons to help them set up in- Ernakulam and some others belonging to dustries to get employed are constituted with both the Hindustan Petroleum Corporation official~ only and no representatives of the and the Indian Oil Corporation were arrest- people are included in them; ed on 16th March, 1985 in connection with the recent kerosene mishap in Kerala; and (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (b) the particulars of the persons arres- ted so far and the action taken apinst (d) whether Government propose to them? remove thIs lacuna and decide to incJude people's representatives also in the above THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE CommIt tees; and MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, (c) if so. by what time and the proce- Sir, dure to be followed in this regard? (b) The particulars of the employees THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of Htndustan Petroleum Corporation Limi- MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- ted and Indlan Oil Corporation Limited PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- arrested on March 16 and 18, 1985 are given MAD KHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. below: Hindustan Petroleum Corporation Limited SI. No. Name Designation -_. - ...... --~ -~ --"'~ 1 2 3 - l. Sh. D. L. Pal Installation Manager. Cocbin. 2. Sh. M. S. Venkatesan . Sr. Operation Officer, 3. Sb. M. Chandran Operation Officer. 4, Sh. P. M. Varghese Operation Officer. 59 AP1lIlJ6, 1985 Written Answrrs 60 ----~-.... - ...... ,__ __ -..-.- .... -----_ .... --- ... ~-- -_ 1 2 3 ------... _----- .... ------S. Sh. K. B. Hydrose Gen. Workman. 6. Sh. C. T. Joseph Gen. Workman. 7. Sh. C. G. Mohandas Gen. Workman. 8. Sh. T. L. Antony Fitter. Indian Oil Corporation Limited SI. No. Name Designation ----.------1. Sh. TSR Gopala Rao Ops. Officer-Gr. I 2. Sh. S. Seetharaman Ops. Officer-Gr. 1 3. Sh. K. Suresh Babu Ops. Officer-Gr. I 4. Sh. P. L. Antony Khalasi. S. She P. G. Abraham. Khalasi. 6, Sh. K. I. Joseph. Operator. 7. Sh. A. ·V. Ramachandran Sr. Khalasi. 8. Sh. P. E. Sridharan Sr. Khalasi. 9, Sh. T. A. Martin Khalasi. 10. Sh. T. L. Joseph Operator. 11. Sh. P. T. Chacko. Operator. 12. Sh. V. G. George Operator. 13. Sh. K. T. Prabhakaran, Operator. ._----_... _._--.---- Apart from the arrests, no other action has been taken against them. ConstructiOft of Roads i. Arunachal (b) Proposals for construction of roads in Pradesh question is as follows : 3139. SHRI WANGHPHA LOWANG : (i) Hawaf to Walong and K.blthu: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased The road has been cleared for con~ to state: struction between Hawai and Kalen. (a) whether defence clearance has not been accorded for construction of roads (ii) Anini to Mipiden : from (i) Hawai to Walong and Kibithu; & (ii) Animi to Mipiden; (iii) Migging to Tuting; and (iv) Pugging to Paling in Arunachal (iii) Mi'Udng to Ttiting: It has not Pradesh; and been considered desirable to alto N construction for the time being. (b) if 50, tbe rea80lls therefor 1 (iv) Puafng te Paling: The road has THE MINISTER. OF DEFENCE not been cleared since a road on the (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) and western bank of river Sian; joining 61 Wrltl• .t4Iuwerl CHAITIlA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Written Anlwu8 62 points opposite Pugging and Paling The figure of dead indicated above is is already under construction. expected to undergo revision on account of the enquiries being conducted. Bhopal Gas Tragedy Mortality Estimates Shortage of Anti Rabies Vaccine ill 3140. SHRI SURESH KURUP: Will Bihar the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FER- TILIZERS be pleased to state: 3142. SHRI D. L. BAITHA: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTI- (a) the latest estimate of mortality in LIZERS be pleased to state ; the Bhopal gas tragedy; (a) whether there bas been acute short- (b) the basis for this estimation; age of anti-rabbies vaccine in the country particularly in Bihar; (c) whether the list of dead bas been announced; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (d) if not, the reasons therefor; (c) the measures adopted to remedy the situation? (e) whether people have been asked to register the names of their dead kith and THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS kin with Government; and AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (f) in ca~e~ where complete families VEERENDRA PATJL): (a) to (c). My were eliminated, the mechanism adopted by Ministry montitors the market availability to ascertain the dead? Government of essential and life saving medicines based on the reports received from the State Drug THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Controllers, the Central Drugs Standard AND FERflLIZERS AND INDUSTRY Control Organisation and public com- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEE- plaints. RENDRA PATIL): (a) to (f). As per latest information available from State No shortages of anti-rabies vaccines Government the total number of deceased were reported in Bihar during January to persons, subsequent to the accident, is stated March '85. However, localised shortage of to be 1430. The information is based on thiS vaccine in Maharashtra was reported in figures of Government Mortuary Bhopal, February, 1985. tigufl!s collected from burial grounds, crema- tion grounds, private nursing homes, Divisio- nal Railway Authorities and local enquiries MIs. Haffkinc, the concerned manufac- conducted in neighbouring villages as also turers of this vaccine, were advised imme- figures received from District Magistrates of diately to rush stocks to the affected place neighbouring districts. and the Company has informed that they had done so. A list of deceased persons was prepared and published for information of general Garden Supply Facilities in Cantonment public at the office of the Municipal Cor- Area, Seeunderabad poration, Bhopal, Police Control Room and at also Police Stations of the affected areas. 3144. DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO: It was also notified that members of the Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased public may give information of such deceas- to state; ed persons whose names are not included in the list. In response to this a number of applications were received and scrutiny / (a) the existing Garden supply facilities inquiry of these is still in progress. meeting the demand of the gardens in can- tonment areas; State Government has also got con- ducted a house to house survey, through (b) whether these facilities exist in can .. various institutions, in the affected area. tonment like Secunderabad; and 63 W,.ttten Answers APRIL t(i, 1985 (c) if so, the details thereof? the Caparo Group have been gi,ven a Letter of Intent by the Government for setting up THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI of a gas-based fertilizer plant at Shahajahan P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) lnforma· pur, U. P. MIs. Shriram Fertilizers and tion is being collected and will be laid on Ch~micals Ltd. were earlier interested in the Table of the House. implementing this project and the case for issue of a letter of intent to them was under considerat ion of the Government. Later (b) and (c). The Garden facilities on. they desired to withdraw their proposal are available and maintained in an area due to financial and other problems. A of 24.34 acres in different localities of few other parties, however, have shown very the Secunderabad Cantonment. The fol- keen interest for taking up the project lowing gardens are beini maintained in the and Caparo Group, jointly with their Indian Cantonment Board Area: associates, are one of the parties, who have applied for grant of Jetter of Intent for the 1. Picket Garden. project; and this applicant has not shown any reluctance and has, on the other hand, 2, Trimulgherry. been furnishing all required information/ commitments. for processing of its applica- 3. Bolaraum. tion. A final decbion regarding issue cf Letter of Intent is, however, yet to be 4. Ornamental Garden on Gymkhana taken. Road. Increase in Prices of Oil Engines and Power 5. BowenpaJ)y Garden. .l\tlotors manufactured by Indigenous Companies Setting up of Gas·basecl Fertilizer Plant at Sbabjabanpur, U. P. 3146. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURJA Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleaseu to stale: 3145. SHRJ JITENDRA PRASADA: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AN l) FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (a) whether the prices of oil enginc~ and power motor~ being manufactured by the indigenous companies have been increas- (a) whether the Jetter of intent for ed during the last three years; settin& up of a gas-based fertilizer pJant at Shahjahanpur, U, P. as given to Shrjram Fertilizers was later on withdrawn and "iven (b) if &0, how much; and to Caparo Group; (t) the steps taken ky Government to (b) whether the Caparo Group is also reduce their prices? reluctant to set up the same; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, the latest position of the MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM· same and the time by which the plant win PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM· be set up ? MAD KHAN) : (a) to (c). A statement showing index Numbers of Wholesale Prices THE MINISTER OF CHEMiCALS AND of Diesel Engines, Internal Combustion En- FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND gines and Electrk Motor~ for the years 1982- COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEEREN- 83, 1983-84 and 1984·85 is enclosed. There DRA PATIL): (a) to (c). Neither Mis. is no statutory pI ice control by GO\ ernment Sbriram Fertilizers and Chemicals Ltd. n,,1r on these items. CHAITllA 26, 1907 (SAKA) 66 Stateaaeat Index Numben 01 Whole.w:l1e Prices of Diesel EngiJ~, Internal Combustion Engines a"!i Elect,.ic Motors Durin, 1982-83 to 1984-85. Year Diesel Engines Internal Combustion Electric Motors. ~ngines 1982-83 192.8 139.0 258.0 192.P 139.0 244.5 192.8(P) 139.0(P) 271.5(P) (P): Provisional. (Engluh] - --~------Quantity Value Production and RequiI'ement of Aay)~ (tonnes) (Rt): lakbs) Fibre 3147. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: 1982 Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleas- 462.60 84.82 ed to state: 1983 2241.83 398.06 (a) the number of factories producing acrylic fibre in the country and tbe produc- 1984 1072.09 192.35 tion of acrylic fibre in each factory dUring the last three years; year-w isc; Formation 0( new Postal Divisioo~ lelepbone (b) the annual domestic retuirement of and Telegraph Sub-dhisions in Orissa aClylic fibre 10 the country; and 3148. SHRI K.. PRADHANI: Wilt (c) the quanttty of acrylIc fibre imported the Mmlster of COMMUNICATIONS be dUring the last three years, year-wise and the pJeased to state: amount involved ? (a) whether Government have r«eived THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE any proposal for formation of new Postal MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Divisions and Telephone and Telegraph Sub- NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) There divliions in Orissa : are at present two units producing acrylic fibre an the ccuntry and their production (10 (b) if s~ the detail" thereof: lonnes) duriol the last three years was a~ l'oHows : (c) Government's react4()n to the propo... 1982 12012,4165 sal; and 1983 11909, 2714 (d) whether there are any c:oncel)~J(.. )O~ available for formatlon of such DivislOO!!l an 1984 J 1988~ 1710 tribal areas 1 (b) The present demand is of tbe order of 25,000 tonnes per annum .. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS . (c) The import of acrylic fibre during (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA); (a) y~ the last three year$ was as follows; Sir. " APRIL 16, 1915 (b) and (c). We have received a proposal installed if there is a demand for for creuion of a new Postal Division at S such connections in a village or a Kalahandi District. A proposal for creation group of villages within a radius of of an additional sUb-division under Bhuba- 5 km of the ceatral village subject neshwar Telegraph Engineering Division to the condition that the anticipated has also been received. These proposals revenue is atleast 35% of the esti- envisage creation of posts and therefore could mated annual recurrilll expenditure. not fructify due to ex.tant ban orders. (iH) An existing ]0 lines exchange may (d) No concession is given for Tribal be replaced by a new 25 Jine ex- areas. However. Some weightage is given change when the demand in sucb for hilly terrains and backward areas on cases reaches 10 connections pro- Telecom side. vided anticipated revenue is atJeast 40% of tbe estimated annual recur· [Translation] ring expenditure. (iv) An existing 25 line exchange can he Extension of Telephone Senice in replaced by 50 line exchange when Rural Areas the demand reaches 23 and an existing 50 lines exchange can be 3149. SHRJ KRISHAN PRATAP extended to 100 lines when the SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- demand reaches 46 subject to the CATIONS be pJea4ied to state : condition that the antlpated revenue is 60% and 70% re~pecuvely of the (a) the ratio of the telephone connections estimated annua] recurring ex- in the rural and urban areas of the country; penditure. and (v) It is also planned to introduce the (b) whether Government have formu- integrated dIgItal network Schemes. lated any scheme for the extension of tele- to replace the existmg manual and phone services to the rural areas, and if so, stronger exchanges by SPC Digital the details thereof and if not. the reasons Electronic Exchanges in 7th I-Ive therefor? Year Plan. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (English) MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The Shortfall in anti-T .D. Drugs ratio of the telephone connections in the rural/semi urban to Urban Areas is 16,100 3150. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: as per s~tistjcs of March, 1984. Will the MInister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state : (b) Yes, Sir. For the expansion of telecommunication services in the rural areas. (a) whether production of severa) vital the telccQm. Department bas liberalised the drugs such as antI-T.B. drugs bas come policy ~ding opening long dIstance public down recently in the country; telep~ and new telephone exchanges upto 100 lines in sucb areas. (b) if so, the reasons for such shortfall~ and According to this policy (c) the steps taken by Government to ~i) Long Distance Pub]i c Telephones avert the sbortfall ? are likely to become accessible within 5 Kms. to most inhabitations THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS of the country progressively by AND FERTIL1ZERS AND INDUSTRY 1990. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEER· ENDRA PATIL): (a) and (b). No, Sir. (ii) A new 10 line exchange can be In regard to anti·TB drugs, there bas bCQD CHAJT1lA 2~ 1907 (SAKA) been slwr.tfall ill the production of PAS aad propose to set up an ~Dgine proj~t io its salts only. Production of PAS and its Saaar in Madhya Pradesh; salts is beiDa tailored to demand as PAS and (b) the cost involved in this project; 'ts salts are ~laced oy more recent druas like Ethambutol, Rifampicin, etc.. (c) the types of engines proposed to be manufactured in this project~ and (c) Does not arise. (d) the number of the persons likely to ~e" sdJemos of Hlndustan Photo be provided employment in this project 0) Cine Colour FiJm Plant; 3153. SBRI V.S. KRISHNA lYER: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE (ii) Scheme for manufacture of po)ye~ Oe pleased to state : ter base X-ray and graphic arts films; and (a) the number of cases pending in Karnataka High Court for disposal at the (iii) Scheme for manufacture of mag- end of February, 1985; netic tapes. (b) how may posts of Judges are vacant No finat decision has been taken by in Karnataka HIgh Coun; and Government in regard to the setting up of these projects. (c) whether Government propose to appoint additional Judge" to dear the pend" [Tron.flalion] ing cases 1 BEML Engine Project in Sapr, Madhya THE MINISTER 01' STATE 1'N THE Prade~b MINI~TR Y OF LAW AND JUSTICE tSHRI H.R. BHARA.DWAJ): (a) A!. per 3152. SHRI NANDlALCHOUDHARY: information furni'Shed by thc Registrar of the Will the Minister of DEfENCE be pleased Karnataka High Court, 95,602 ca~e~ were to state; pending on 1.3. J 985. (a) whether Bharat Earth Movers Ltd., (b) As on 8.4 .. 1985, there was one po~t 71 APRIL 16. '1985 Writtlln AItStNr' '2 of Judge vacant in the Kamata Higb Court. Associalions connected with other Fede- rations; (c) Apart from filling up the existing vacancy of permanent Judges, appointment (c) whether P. & T. Board has jssued of more Judges in Karnataka High Court is any order/instructions to P. & T. Unions engaging the attention of the Government. not to elect an outsider as their office- bearers of any level; and I Tra"s!a t ion] (d) if so, the date of issue of the order Steps to set up an Indusrry in Panna and the date from which it has been liven District effect to a copy of which may please be placed on the Table of the House? 3154. SHRI DALCHANDER JAIN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS the steps being taken by Government to set (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) up an industry in Panna District which is not No, Sir. Normally, outsiders are not having any industry ? being allowed to be office-bearers of any Union, excepting Unions of mdustrial THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE workers. However, honourably retired emplo- MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- yees are allowed to be office- bearers of P & T PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- Unions. MAD KHAN) : The industrial development of specific districts is primarily the responsi- bility of the State Governments concerned. (h) Doe~ not arise. The Central Government supplements their efforts by providing various concessions/in- (c) Yes, Sir. centives for setting up industries in backward areas. Panna District has been identified as (d) Two orders were issued on 17.1.75 No-Jndustry District and included in Cate- and 9.10.84 which were given effect to from gory 'A'. Entrepreneurs setting up industries the dates of issue. A copy each of the orders in this Distrkt are eligible for over-riding are laid on the table of the House [placed in priority in grant of Licences, highest rate of library. see No CT 937/85] Central Investment Subsidy. Concessional Finance facilities, relaxation in export obJi~ ~1athura Refinery gation to MRTP/FERA companies and Cent- ral assistance to State Governments for deve- lopment of infrastructural facilities etc. 3156. SHRI PRATAP BHANU During 1984. one Industrial Licence bas been SHARMA: Will the Minister of PETRO- ic::sued for setting up industrial unit in Panna LEUM be pleased to state: District. (a) whether Mathura Refinery bas started lEnglishJ its work in full swing; and Outsiders as Office Bearers of P. and T. (h) if so, the details of its installed l'nions capa- city for various petroleum products and act- 3155. SHRI LALIT MAKEN: Will ual production achieved dunng 1983-84 and 1984-85 ? the Minister of COMMUNlCATIONS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF ST ATE OF THE (a) whether outsiders are allowed to be MINJSTR Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRI office-bearers of certain Posts and Telegraphs NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) (a): Yes, Union connected with a particular Federation; Sir. (b) if so, the reasons why the same pro- (b) Statement giving the requisite infor- vision is not being extended to other Unions/ mation js attached. 73 CHA1TRA 26, 1907 ('8AKA) 74 StatemeDt The details in respect of instaJIed capacity, design, production pattern, actual crude throughput and production of petroleum produets during 1983-84 and 1984-85 are given below: (Fig. in '000 MT) Installed 1983-84 1984-85 ( Pro v is iona /) (a) Crude throughput 6000.0 5223.5 9238.7 (b) Production pattern LPG 197.0 106.7 146.6 Naphtha 809.0 682.3 694.1 MS 350.0 285.0 354.6 ATF 480.0 158.7 204.0 SK 658.0 663.4 678.3 HSD 2043.0 1608.2 2075.3 LDO 36.0 61.2 78.9 FO 84.0 855.5 1024.8 HPS/RFO 640.0 356.0 499.3 Bitumen 300.0 135.4 151.6 Sulphur 6.0 1.4 1.8 Total Products: 5603.0 4913.8 5909.3 I Trans/atio1l) from 2.31 lakh, tonnes (including Irrigation and Power) to 11 lakh tonnes. This request Short Supply of Cement to Gujarat was not acceded to in view of the limited against sanctioned quota availability of levy cement. 3157. SHRI C.D. GAMIT: Will the The quarter wise allocation and supply of Manister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY levy cement to the State Government of AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Gujarat during 1984 is as follows :- (a) the quantity of cement demanded by Quarter Allocation Supply Gujarat Government for different purposes (in tonnes) (in tonnes) from January. 1984 to December, 1984 quar- - ---~--~ - ---_ ------ter-wise, the quantity of cement sanctioned Qr. 1/84 2,97,023 2,77,097 as well as the quantity supplied to the State Qr. II/84 2,83.598 1,74,847 together with details thereof; and Qr. 111/84 2,67,523 2,43,437 (b) the reasons for not supplying full Qr.IVj84 2,90,098 3107,063 quota of cement to Gujarat as per its require- ment? The supp ly of cement durjng the second THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE quarter of 1984 was not satisfactory due to MINlSTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- closure of one of the major cement factories for modernisation during the period. PANY AFFAIRS ~SHRI ARIF MOHAM- MAD KHAN) : (a) and ~~). The State Gov- I Eng li..\ h1 ernments do not indicate their requirements Increase in Oil Prodxtion of levy cement on a regular basis. The Government of Gujarat bad. however. 3158. SHRI NAVIN RAV ANI : Will the requested in Februaty. 1984 for an Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to increase of quarterly allocation of levy cement state: 75 APRIL 16, 198' 76 (a) the names of the oil producing States (a) whether it is a fact that the buildinl in the country and the quantity of oil ex· for automatic telephone exchange &t Begu .. plored in those States annually; sarai In Bihar was completed one and a half years back; (b) whether any survey has been conduc- t~d in more areas during the year 1984 to (b) whether it is also a fact that the pro- find out oil; ject for automatic telephone exchange at Begusarai had already been sanctioned three (c) if so, the details of the findings there· years ba~k; and of; and (c) if so, when the automatic telephone (d) Government's policy in regard to in .. exchange will be commissioned at Begusarai ? creasing the oil production in the country to avoid im!,ort during Seventh Five Year Plan THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE period '1 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Sir. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) State- (b) Yes, Sir. wise the production of crude oil during the year 1984-85 was as under :- (c) The exchange is likely to be commis- sioned 1 n 19~6-~7 ~ubJect to do vailablhty of (Million Tonnes) resources. Name 0/ Siale Production of Crude oil (]ujarat 3.91 [Translation] Assam 4.89 Waiting list for cooking gas connections Arunachal Pradesh 0.05 in Maharashra (b) and (c). Yes, Sir. Surveys were 3160. SHiH VILAS MUTTEMWAR: ·carried out during 1984 in other areas of Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be Gujarat, Rajastha.n, West Bengal, Assam, pleased to state : Tripura, Andbra Pradesh, Tamil N adu, Madhya Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, J&K (a) the number of persons on the waiting and Uttar Pradesh besides Western and Eas- list for cooking gas connections in Chandra- tern Offshore areas. The data collected from pur, Garhchiroli and Bhandra districts in the surveys is to be processed a nd interpreted Maharashtra, and since when they are on the before taking up further drilling to find new wai ting 1ist ; and resources of petroleum. (b) the time by which gas connections (d) The Government's policy to increase will be prOVided to them and ~tep~ taken in the produ("tion of indigenous crude oil inter- tbis rcprds ? alia includes: THE MINISTER OF ST'ATE OF THE (j) Use of enhanced oil recovery tech· MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI niques; NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The number of persons on the waiting list for (ii) Intensification of work-over ope .. cooking gas connection in Chandrapur and rations; Bhandra districts of Maharashtra is approxI- mately 5,000 (September'S 1 onwards) and (iii) Intensification of exploration in less 7,000 (September'82 onwards) respectively. precisely known geological r~lions There is no LPG agency in Garhchiroli. which may eventually lead to en- hanced production; and (b) All the persons on the waiting Jist are expected to be given connections during (iv) Induction of advanced tec.hnology. 1985-86. Automatic: TelepboDe Exchange at [English] Beau-Serai in Bibar Linking or District Headquarters of 3159. SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: BIJapar by STD Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : 3161. SHRl S.M. (jURADD}: Will the 77 Written Alrlwer. CHAITIlA 16, 1907 (SAKA) 78 Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRl VEB'RENDRA to state: PATIL) :. (c) if so, the various new sites proposed (b) To improve power supply pOSition, a to be taken into consideration for the location 2.5 MW ps turbine bas beeo installed and of new coal-based fertiliser plants in Seventh is ill operation since July, 1983. A 16 MW Five Year plan? captive power plant is under impiemenation and is expected to be comissioned during THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND 1986. State Government has also been reques- FERTILIZERS AND INDSTURY AND ted to supply adequate and stable power to 79 APllIL 16, 198~ Written AIUWt".f 80 the unit. Mis PDIL have, after end to end (b) No, Sir. survey, sugested capital additions/improve- ments/debottlenccking. and rel10vating (c) Does not arise. schemes which are being implemented. Industrial relations problems are regulady Import of Pressure Regulaton from Danlsla discussed with recognised and registered Firm unions. 3166. PROF. RAM KRISHNA MORE: [English] Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: Modification of 'aws relating to .arious religions (a) whether Indian Oil Corporation has deci ded to import pressure regulators from a 3164. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: Will Danish firm; and the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to sta te ~ (b) if so, the reasons thereof? (a) whether Government aTe considering THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE to modify the Jaws relating to various reli- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI gions in the country; and NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the details thereof and the reasons therefor? (b) In the context of the conversion of LPG cylinders from the system of 'F' type THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE valves and pressure regulators to the self ~ MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE closing system, for meeting the shortfal1 in (SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) No sir. the indigenous availability of pressure regu- lators and with a view to standardising the (b) Does not arise. design, pressure re&ulators and free technology are being imported from Denmark· Lossel saff'ered by drug manufacturing companies due to dhersification Setting up of Aut01lUltic Telephone 3165. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE Excbange in Tlrupati PATIL : Will the Minister of CHEMICALS 3167. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN : Wilt AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: the Minister of COMMUN1CATIONS be plca5ed to state : (a) whether some of the important drug manufacturing companies have been compelled (a) whether there are microwave system to diversify as they are sustaining heavy failures at Tirupati; loses on their pharmaceutical products; (b) if so, the corrective steps proposed; (b) whether as a result of this, the pro- duction of important drugs in the country has (c) whether there is any proposal to start suffered; and an automatic trunk telephone exhange at Tirupati; (c) whether Government propose to undertake an indeptb study of the financial (d) whether foundation stones for this problems of these companies sO that they are trunk exchange was laid by the present Prime not forced to diversify and people do not Minister; and suffer due to lack of essential drugs? (e) whether there has been inordinate THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND delay in setlin» up tbe exchange ? FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE PATIL) : (a) Diversification, if any, is as a MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS result of the corporate policy oftbe individual (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) There (:ompaoies. bas been no equipment failure in the recent CHAITAA 26. lao1 C$AKA) past. However, on occauJIJ\I, .Ylt.-. "'5 (a) w.bttb~ &O.me. of tl;le. States have sh0wD failure cue tu proopaption lowered the voljQl aae to 18 years for tbe conditions~ purpose of local bodies ejections; (b) Low BOite fro.u..end ~lI1\plifiers have (b) if so, whictl are these St.at~s; be~ ordered for improvin& tbe perfO~Dce (c) whether Government propose to of the syMom durina adverse propaptioD lower the votilll age to 18 years; and cODdition~ (d) if s~ the details in this reaard ? (c) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE (d) FouDdatioD stone was laid by im-i MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE RajlV Gaac.Uti f{)r budding for local exchanae (SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ): (a) and (and not truJ;lk automatic excbaoae) .. (b)~ According to information obtained from all the State Govemmets~ in connection wi th (e) No, Sir. The butldllll construction fulfilment of an assurance in respect of Lok is expected to start ihortly. The iD$tallation Sabha Un-Starred Question No. 3863 dated cf exchaOBc equIPment is likely to commence 20th March.. 1984 only eleven State Govern- in 1986·87.. ments have reduoed the voting age to 18 year4i for election to Local Bod.es!Panchayat! Municipalities ctc. A Statement showing the IAwerigg of Voting Age for Elections names of these State is attached. 3168. SHRl T. BASHEER; WIH the Ie) and (d)... There is no such pro~al MiOlster of LA W AND JUSTICE be pleased under consjderation of tae Government at to state ~ prescnt~ Statement Slaftmenl sli'oll'ing the "am~ of the States )i'"e" 'rave redlfCed the age of voting for elections to Local Bodie~ Panchayat / Municipalities etc. ------_.. _------Name of the State. Age reduced for electrons to Pnchayat and Mumcipal Bodies. ---~-__..------~ 1. Andhra Pradesh. 'LocaJ .~ai~s. 2. Madhya Pradesh. Local Bodies.. 3. Tamil Nadu. Local Bodies. 4. Katnataka. l.ocal Bodies... 5 Himachal Pradesh. Local Bodies. (, Tripura. Municipality. 7. West Bengal. Municipalities and CalCUtta Cdtpora .. ,tion. 8. Uttar Pradesh. Urban Local Bod'its.. 9. Gujarat. ;Panchaya ts. 10. Bihar. "ancbaya ts. II. Kerala. (M unicipalities/Corporation:,.) . Loca~ Bodies. 83 Writtm A"IWn, APRIL 16, t985 Expenditure on SdIeme lor Legal for the year 1984-85 'or the Co.nittee for Aid to the Poor Implementing Legal Aid Schemes was Rs. 35,28 Lakhs. 3169. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE (b) The information received from the be pleased to state: States -with reaard to amounts spent by them in the year 1983-84 is indi~ted to the (a) the amount anocated in the year attached statement. For the )tear 1984-850 1984-85 for scheme for legal aid to the the information bas not yet been received. poor; (b) the amounts spent in the years 1983- (c) Government vide its Resolution 84 and 1984-85 by the varions States; and dated 20.9.1980 constituted a Committee for Implementing Legal Aid Schemes under the (c) whether there are any proposals to Chairmanship of Shri Justice P. N. Bbagwati. bring in a uniform code for legal aid through- a sitting Judge of the Supreme Court. The out the country '1 Committee has been entrusted with the ta~k. of preparing a tentati\le Draft Central THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE legislation on legal aid. This will be further MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE considered on receipt of the recommenda- (SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ): (a) The Grant tions of tbe Committee. Statement Stalement showing the expenditure incurred by the Slail'S and Union territories on Legal Aid during the financial year 1983-84 S1. No. Name of the State/Union Territory Amount expended in 1983-84 in Rs. 2 3 1. Andhra Pradesh 4,39,479.40 2. Assam 1,07,000.00 3. Bihar 2,22.754.00 4. Gujarat 3,77,900.77 S. Haryana No information 6. Himachal Pradesh 14,764.45 7. Jammu and Kashmir Nil 8. Kamataka 10,73,100.32 9. Kerala No information 10. Madhya Pradesh 26,17,941.30 11. Maharashtra 2,24,037.27 12. Manipur 1,00,000.00 13. Meshalaya 6,000.20 14. Nalaland 2.02,000.00 U Jft1t_~ CHAITBA l6. 1901 (SAKA) 8' 1 2 3 -~--- IS. Orissa 2,28,316.19 16. Punjab 9,10,'54.36 J7. Rajasthan 38,751,89 18. Sikkim 39,634.47 19. Tamil Nadu 26, 64,OS 7.. 7S 20. TripuAl Not available 21. Uttar Pradesh 2,24,491.9S 22. West Bengal 10,26,470.64 23. Andaman & Nicobar Islands No information 24. Arunachal Pradesh 26.785.60 25. Chandigarh Nil. 26. Dethl 3,92,177.45 27. Goa, Daman & Diu 3~580.00 28. Dadar Nagar HaveJi Nil 29. Lakshadweep Nit 30. Mimram 3~29,28S.00 3L Pondicherry No information Contract for Production-cum-Process Rlaht to Vote by Indians lhill& abroad Platform witb South Korean Com:era 3171. PROF. P. J. KURIEN : Wi11 the 3170. SHRI SHIVENDRA BAHADUR Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased SINGH: Wlll the Minister of PETROLEUM t'O state : be pleased to state ~ (a) whether there has been demand for (a) whether Oil and Natural Gas Com- voting rights b)' Indians tivina abroad; and mission has entered into a contract with a (b) if so, the reaction of Government Soutb Korean concern for a contract for thereto? production-cum-process platform for the offshore South Dassien gastield; ano THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details ther~of ? MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H. R, llHARADWAJ) : (a) and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b). Suggestions from some overseas orga- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM . (SHRl nisations that Indian citizens re~iding abroad NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) and could be given votini rights at elections welt {b). Yes, Sir., the contract has been awarded received. The Question whether voting rights tu M /s Hyundai Heavy Industries Company should be extended to such persons living Ltd., South Korea in November, 1984 on abroad is under consideration of the Govern· a turn key basis. The total cost of the pro- rnent. As the question presents some special ject is US • 81.989 million includins the cost features, it will have to be examined in con- of spares. The projeet is expected to be siderable detail taking into account lb. commissioned by end December, 19B6. vatious relevant factors. 87 APRIL 106, 191~ Working or Telephone Exchange In (iii) All these stations are Mina 1i8ked RaJamanclhry Division 10 Auclhra with coaxial cable systems. Pradesh (g) No Sir, adequate staff bas been 3172. SHRI A. J. V. B. MAHESWARA posted. RAO: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- CATIONS be pleased to state: (h) Question does not arise is view of (g) above. (a) whether Telephone Excbanges are not working satisfactorily in Rajamundhry Divi- [Translation] sion in Andhra Pradesh; Telephones in Bbara tpur Area of (b) whether any representations have Rajasthan been received in this regard; 3173. SHRI LALA RAM KEN; Will (c) if so, the remedial steps taken; the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (d) whether in Konaseema area automa- tic system has not been introduced; (a) whether telephones in Bharatpur area of Rajasthan remain out of order for most (e) if so, the reasons thereof; of the time; (f) the remed iaJ steps proposed; (b) if ~O, the action proposed to be tak.en to k.ecp those telephones in order; (g) whether it is a fact that many of these exchanges are under staffed; and (c) whether there is a proposal for new telephone lines in veiw of the people's (h) if so, corrective steps proposed to be demand; taken? (d' if not, the reason\) then:for; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (e) the scheme for the development of (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No telephone system in this area, if any? Sir, AU telephone exchanges in Rajahmundry Division are generally working satisfactorily. THE MIN1STER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (b) Representations were received from (SHRl RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No. certain subscribers of telephone exchanges Sir, Telephones in Bharatpur area of Rajas- around Ravulapalem and Anparthi areas than do not remain out of order for most of stating that they are unable to get parent the time though the fault rate is sliahtly exchanges immediately for registering their higb.er. demands. (b) An efforts are being made to improve (c) (i) Adequate number of junctions the maintenance and operation of the tele- have been provided as per traffic require- phone system in this area. ments. (c) Yes, Sir. The present exchange is (ii) New cables have been provided to by 200 lines during reduce the local faults in Rayavaram area. being expanded 1985 .. 86. (d), (e) and (f) (i). In Konaseema area, projects have already been sanctioned for (d) Question does not arise in ",iew of automatisation of manual exchanges of the reply at (c) above. Amalapuram, Ravulapalem and are program- med for commissionin& in 198.5-86. (e) A 2000 lines Crossbar type telephone exchange bas been planned for BlTaratpur, the (ii) Mummidivaram in programed to be equipment for which wll1 be supplied during autornatised in Seventh Plan 1985-86. CHAlTIlA 26, 19a7 (SAKA) 90 [E",lisk} (b) if so, whether Government permitted a multinational M. R. T. P. Company (Mis. CoutrllCtloa of Telephone' Exellaap Hindustan Ferodo Ltd., Bombay) to manu.. BaUd.. a' Sareodraaqar (Gujarat) facture Industrial Gasl{ets worth Rs. 45 lakhs; 3174. SaRI DIOVIJAYA SINGH: Win the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (c) if so, the state of several small scale pleased to state : industrial units already producing spiral wound, metal clad and core encapsulated (a) when the Telephone Exchange build- gaskets; ing at Surendranagar (Gujarat) was completed; (d) whether Government have received representation again't the violation of the (b) the percentage of total amount policy at ta); and already invested in the equipment as com- pared to the total amount to be invested in (e) if so, the details thereof and steps the full equipment to be installed; taken to help the small-scale industrial lmils? (c) the reasons for delay in completion; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- (d) the time by which the full equipment PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- is likely to be installed ? MAD KHAN): (a) Industrial Gaskets are not reserved for manufacture in the small THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE scale sector. Applications for licence and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS foreign colJaboration proposals received by (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) The the Government are considered on merits building was completed in March 1982. ·(b) No, Sir. (b) The cost of equipment being installed initially is 61.52% of the cost of equipment (c) Does not arise. that may be installed to the ultimate capacity. (d) Yes, Sir. (c) The delay was due to late supply of (e) Government had given due considera- equipment from I. T. I. tion to the interests of the sma)) scale sector while considering the application of Mis· Hindustan Ferodo Ltd. (d) The 3000 lines are likely to be com- missioned by the end of 1986. The instaJla- tion of the full equipment is subject to Interest on deposits for gas Cylinders. av.aiJabiHty of material and resources. 3176. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK : Multinatioaal Co_paoy to maDufacture Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be Industrial Gasketi pleased to state: 3175. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: (a) whether some deposits are taken from SHRI VISHNU MODI : the consumers when gas cylinders are supplied SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: to them; Will tbe Minister of INDUSTRY AND (b) jf so, the amount of deposit which is COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to taken from the consumers; state : 1c) the total amount of such deposits for (a) wbether Government have taken a last three years collected for the entire poJicy decision durina 1973 and 1980 that country; there is no need for any Jarae scaJe company to come up with foreign know-bow for the (d) whethe r the deposit amounts are manufacture of industrial pskcts; invested; 91 Written Answ~ra APlUL 16, 1985 (e) whether any interest is paid to the P roduetiOD of CbemJcaJ Fertilizer. b, consumers on the same, if so, the rate Rashtriya ChemJcaJs aad Fertilizers Ltd. thereof; and 3178. SHRI S. O. GHOLAP: Will (f) if not, the reasons thereof? the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FER- TILIZERS be plesed to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (a) the total installed capacity of NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Rashtriya Chemicals and Fertilizers Limited Deposits are raken from consumers at the and its actual production; and time of releasing a new gas connection or an additJonal cylinder. t b) the progress of new gas -based pro.. ject at ThaI-Vaishet and its production '1 (b) Rs. 450/- per 14.2 Kg, capacity cylin- der and Rs. SO/-per domestic pressure THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS regulator. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (e) Rs. 185.91 Crores. VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) The installed (d) and (e). No, Sir. capacity of Rashtriya Chemicals and Ferti- ]jzer Ltd. and its actual production during (f) Apart from investment made on new 1984-85 is as given below: cylinders/regulators while: enrolling new cus- tomers, the oil industry has to plan. procure Installed cap. Production and maintain adequate equipment inventories. Nutrients during 1984-85 This involves large capital outlay, besides recurring expenditure on inspection, testing, repairs, rejection and replacements, design, (MT/cnnum) (iu MT) research and development. Nitrogen 316800 264900 Anomalies created by liberalisation 120000 97000 of limit under MRTP Act 3177. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN (b) The ThaI fcrtlIJ1er project with an SINHA: Will the Minister of lNDUSTR Y annua1 capacltv of 891000 tonnes of am- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to monia and 1485000 tonncs of urea (equivalent state: to 683000 tonnes of nitrogen) is under com- mis'iionmg and trial production is under (a) whether Government's decision to progress. During trial production till 31 st liberalise the provisions of MRTP Act has March. 1985, 74600 MT of ammonia and led to anomalies (Economic Times dated 20 106400 MT of urea equivalent to 48900 March, 1985); and tonnes of nitrogen has been produced. (b) if so, Government's reaetion thereof? Aquisition of Post Otllce building at Trichur-Emakillam bye-pas" THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- 3179 SHRI P. A. ANTONY; Will PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- the Minister of COMM UNJCATIONS be MAD KHAN) : (a) No, Sir. dominant under- pleased to state : takings which are mercly small undertakings and are not large houses are not prohibited (a) whether the Trichur Municipal from diversifying into the manufacture of Council has approa(;hed the Posts and Tele- non-Appendix I items referred to in the Press graphs Department for acquiring the Post Notc dated 2.2.1973 as amended by .Press Office building standmg in the midst of tbe Note dated 21.4.1982 of the Ministry of proposed Trichur-Ernakulam bye-pass; Industry; only large houses are under some restrictions in this regard. (b) if so, the delay in handling over the site, especially when the building is very (b) Does not arise. old; and 93 CHAITltA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltl~" A"n.'er, 94 (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Dlstrlbatorshlp of Cooking Gas THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 3181. SHRI V. S. VJJAYARAGHVAN: MINISTRY OF COM MUMICATIONS Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be plea- (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) No, sed to state: Sir. No buildin& of the Postal Department is standing in the middle of the proposed (a) whether present system of sel~ting Trichur-Ernakulalam bye-pass road. porsons for distributorship of cooking gas is working satisfactorily; (b) and (c). Does not arise. (b) if not, whether Government pro· Fuaetioas of Petroleum Conservation pose to change it; and Research Association (c) if so, the details tht::reof ? 3180. DR. K. G. ADIYODI: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE to state: MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, (a) the functions of Petroleum Con- Sir. servat ion Research Association; (b) and (c). Do not arise. (b) when the PCRA was commission- ed; Allottment of LPG Cylinders In Mandla District of Madbya Pradesh ~c) whether the PCRA is working at the State/district level, details thereof; and 3182. SHRI M. L. JHIKAM: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to (d) the reaction to the research carried state : by the PCRA among the public and bow far it has been soccessful ? (a) whether there is any provision for giving ILPG cyJinders and petro] agencies THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE to adivasis in the areas predominantly in- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI habited by the tribals; NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The Petroleum Conservation Research Aso- (b) if so, the number of adivasis given dation (PCRA) is engaged in pro- such agencies in the Mandla District of pagating the conservation of petroleum pro- Madhya Pradesh; and ducts in industrial, transport, domestic and agricultural sectors of economy through (c) if not, whether Government pro· field studies, educational campaign and pose to take an initiative to give such aaen- research -and developmental activities. cies to the interested adivasis ? tb) PCRA was registered in August, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 1978. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, (c) PCRA has its corporate office at Sir. Delhi and four regional offices at Delhi, Bombay, Madras and Calcutta. (b) and (c). The Oil Industry has not allotted any agency to the adivasis in Mandla (d) The efforts of PCRA in the vari- District of Madhya Pradesh. However. ous sectors of the economy are helping to Indian Oil Corporation (IOC) has proposals create greater awareness fOT the need to to develop one retail outlet each at Nainpur conserve petroleum fuels. As an outcome and Tikarla in Mandla District for allotment of research and development activities spon- to members of the Scheduled Tribes, Adver- sored by PCRA, fuel efficient Kerosene wick tisement for these locations were reJeased on stove, LPG bUrner and low air pressure in- 22.7.83 but no applications were received by dust rial burner have been successful1y com- IOC in response'tbereto. The District Col- mercialised. lector Social Welfare Department of the 95 WrIIlM~" APJUL 16, )915 State Government ~\lC beoo MCplCsted to water SWpJy and _tdkatioa in re,pect of . send a panel of names for interview/selection 9.26 Nos. of 'R' Type quarters. Sanction by the CO(lcerned Oil Selection Board. for pro'Visiop of toilct-one J .atrine Block each for 'R' and 'S' typo quarters hal also [English] been issued. AllotJa.t of Marutl Cars to M.Ps. on priority basis Steps to Curb Consumption or Petroleum 3183. SHRI E.S.M. PAKEER MOHA· Product. MED: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFA1RS be pleased to 3185. SHRl R. ANNANAMBI: Will state : the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have any pro- posal to allot Maruti cars on priority to (a) whether the growlh in demand for Members of Parliament; and petroleum products in the face of a none too-bright prospect of an increase in the (b) if so, the details of the proposal? domestic production of crude will adversely affect lndla~s external payments position by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tbe end of the Seventh Five Year Plan; and MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY & COMPANY AFfAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD (b) if 80, the steps proposed by Govern- KHAN): (a) No, Sir, ment to curb domestic consumption ? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI [Trans/at ion] NA W AL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The Seventh Five Year Plan hal not yet been Dimc,lties of Power DrlaJdng Water and finalised. The impact, therefore, of the Toilet i4 'R' and'S' Type Quarter at growth in demand for petroleum products on Armapurt Kanpur India's external payments pO~ltlon cannot be estimated at this stale. 3184. SHRI JAGDJSH AWASTHl: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (b) However, Government have propo .. state: sed the follow iDa steps to curb oomestic con .. &umption; (a) whether his Ministry are aware of the difficulties regarding power, drinking (i) conservation in coosumpti on of water, and toilet etc. being faced by the de- petroleum prod ucts; fence employees Jiving in 'R' and ·S~ type quarters of the residential colony of Anna- (ii) development alternate sources of pur in Kanpur; or energy as economical1y viable alternative to the conventional sources; (b) if 50, the action taken in this regard so far; and (iii) interfuel substitution; (c) if no action has been taleo the (iv) fiscal and non-fiscal measures for reasons therefor ? demand management. THE MINISTER. OF DEFENCE {SHRI New Telephone Exchange Baildlua at P.v. NARASlMHA. R.AO~ : (a) Yes~ Sir. Bihan_rtf (Bihar) (b) and (c), Out of 156 Nos of'S' 3186. SHRt VUAY KUMAR YADAV : Type Quaner~, administrative approval for Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS repairs and electrification of 240 Nos bas be pleased to state : been issued. The Factory mana~ment have been authorised to undertake repairs for (a) whether the buildina. for the auto .. CHAITaA 26, 1987 (SAKA) mati~ excbanae is under construction at try wise and State .. wise break UP. tho cons... Bihanharif the district headquarters of traints which have caused loss in production Nalanda; and in these industries and States; and the steps/taken proJ')OSed ? (b) if so, whether the new exchange will be cmanual', 'automatic' or 'electro .. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE nic ? MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM .. PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MAD KHAN): (a) and (b). On the basis MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS of Index 0 f Industrial Production (provisio- (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, nal) from Central Statistical Organisation, Sir. the rate of growth of industrial production was 5.5 per cent during 1983-84 and 6.2 per (b) The new exchange win be automa- cent durin, 1984 .. 8S (April-December). A tic MAX II strowger type. statement showing growth of industrial pro- duction in respect of 18 industrial groups Decline in ProdudlOll and 3 divisions, viz., Manufacturing, Min- ning and Quarrins and Electricity during 3187. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: 1983-84 and 1984-85 (April-December) is Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND enclosed. Statewise indices or industrial COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to production as comp~ed by a few States state: relate only to pre-Sixth-Plan Period. (a) whether it is a fact that though Various factors do have an impact on there has been acceleration in the growth of industrial production which vary from indus- industrial production in the country during try to industry. The Government has been the past two years~ some industries and States taking 'Severa! steps to stimulate industrial. have sbown a decline in production during production through appropriate changes in tbe same periOO; and industria1, licensing and import policies as well as through monetary and fiscal measures (b) if so, the details thereof with indus- and improvement in infrastructure. Growtlt 01 '"dlJstriai Product ion dUring 1983-84 QJfd 1984.lJj ()lpr;l-l>e~entbet) {BASE ~ 1979-100) April·Dec., 1984-85 Code Grouf) Industry Grbup Apri1-Dec .. , 1983-84 3 4 20. ~ood Manufacturina - 5,2 -~O 21. Beverages 4.2 - 2.7 22. Tobacco 7.9 - 2.1 23. 'Textile + 6.6 - 0.8 24. Footwear -+ 17... 1 + 1.1 99 Written Anstm"8 APIlIL 16, 1985 Writt." Aruft'en tOO ~ 1 2 3 4 25. Wood and Cork + 51.8 + 2.2 27. Paper 0.9 -20.1 29. Leatber 3.6 - 1.0 30. Rubber + 8.6 + 4.2 31. Chemical and Chemical Products + 6.2 +10.6 32 .. Products of Petroleum and Coal + 5.8 33 .. Non·metallic Mineral Products + 5.7 + 3.7 3'4. Basic metals 0.4 + 6.6 35. Metal Products + 4.7 2.9 36 .. Non-electrical Machjpery + 8.5 + 4.7 37 .. Electrical Machinery + 6.2 + 4.7 38. Transport Equipment + 14.1 +13.4 39. Miscellaneous Manufacturing Industries -12.4 + 17.2 Div. 2-~ Manufacturing + 4.5 + 4.8 Div. J Mining and Quarrying +11.5 + 8.1 Div.5 Electricity + 6.8 +12.8 OVERALL INDEX + 5.S + 6.2 Source: CSO Import and distribution of various by Government for distribution of these oils oils '1 3188. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Minister of PETROLEUM be p.1eased to MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI state: NA W AL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, Sir; to the extent these are not indigenously (a) whether Government are importing available. cutting oil, transfonner oil, turbine all, heat oil and other industrial oils; (b) These are given in the statement attached. (b) jf so, the details of imports during (c) These are imported to meet the the last three years; and requirements of actual users and are sold (c) the norms and £onditions laid down only to them. CHAITR.A 26. 1901 (S~KA) 102 StatelDlllt Category 1982·83 1983 .. 84 Fias. in MT 1984·85 (Estd) 1. Cuttins oils 6.4 21.66 20.22 2. Transformer oils Nil 6.45 11.00 3. Turbine oils 0.94 22.10 4. Heat Transformer oil A. Mineral 10.8 486.0 2.25 :0. Synthetic 260.0 142.47 S. Other oils/greases 1386.)0 1528.49 790.61 6. Micro Ccystdine Waxes, 272.41 44004 Prlce$ of Glybenclamide sector. Their annual licensed capacity is 879 kas. 3189. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minisk:t CHEMICALS AND FERTILI- 'ot (c) to (e). The price of bulk drug ZERS be ple~ed tt> state : Glybenciamide was reduced from Rs. 9800/- per kg. to Rs, 245'd/- per The price of (a) whether Government have fixed the kg. Glybenclamide Tablets 5 mg/tablet for a price of Glybenclamide, an essential anti- ~k of 10XIO's was also reduced to Rs. diabetic drug produced in the country; 5.98. The Company filed a Writ Petition in the Delhi High Court against the reduction (b) if sO, the name'S of the manufacturers in price. The Delhi Higb Court in its judge" alongwith their licensed capacity~ ment of December 1984 set aside the (c) whether there is any machinery to Government order fixing tbe price of Olyben- cheCk that formulation prices are in confor· clamidc and iu formulations. By virtue of mity with prices approved by Govertlment~ this judgement, the company is able to maintain the pre-revised prices. Special (d) whether lome cases ha ve been Leave Petition and Application for Stay brought to the notice 'of Government; in . against the Delhi High Court judgement which some manufacturers did not act have been filed in the Supreme COllrt. 6ccording to the fixed price policy of Govern- ment ; and Exploration and researcb projects under O.N.G.C. and O.I.L, (e) if so, the steps Government are lakina to ensure the availability ot this 3190. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the drug to the patients at a fair price 1 Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY (a) the lotal allocation in the Sixth Five AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEER· Year Plan in the petroleum sector (or the BNDRA PATIL): (a) Yes_ Sir. ' exploration and research work; and (b) TG .the extent details are available (b) the names of the projects on whicA MIs. Hoechst India Limited are the only work is under operation by Oil and Natur.al prociucen of Glybenclamidc is tile orpnised Gas CORlOlissios and Oil India Ltd. ? ]03 A'PllIL 16, 1985 104 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF TRB (c) the cases in which approval or his MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Ministry is necessary '1 NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The Oil and NatUral Gas Commission and Oil TIW MINISTER OF STATE IN THE India Limited are engaged in the exploration MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- (including research) of hydrocarbons in the PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- country. Their plan expenditure during the MAD KHAN) : (a) to (c). Under the Comp- Sixth Five Year Plan period was approxi- anies Act, 19S6 the Government do not mate]y 6500 crores. regulate the remuneration of executives of private companies except when such execu- (b) The on-going major projects of tives are partners of or raJated to any ONGC and OIL are as under :- director or manager in a company and are apointed to any offic.."C or place of profit in 1. Accelerated Plan of Production froUl the company which carries a total monthly Bombay High. remuneration of not less than rupees three thousand. No specific guidelines are pres- 2. Expansion of onshor~ terminal facili- cribed for such cases and each case is ties at Urban Phase-II. decided on merits. 3. Development of South Bassein Offi· Ilesldential AcCOmmodation to the shore field. telecom staff In urban/rural areas 4. Gas Sweetening and Condensate 3192. PROF. NARAIN CHAND Treatment Plant at Hazira. PARASHAR: Will the mimster of COM· M UNICATIONS be pleased to state : S. Settmg up of LPG Plant at Hazira. (a) whether there is any plan to provide 6. Cambay Basin Petroleum Project. departmental butldings for telephone ex· 7. Mahanadi Offshore Exploration Pro· changes and residential accommodation to gramme Phase·I. the telecom staff; 8. Rajasthan Onshore Exploration Pro- (b) if so, the critera and the prioritie"l gramme. for the sanction and construction of build- ings for telephone exchanges and the telecom 9. Krishna-Godavari Exploration Project. staff in the urban/rural areas respectively; and Amenities/Perks provided to execu· tives In prhate sKtor under compaDY (c) the percentaae of telephone exchanges law8 which have been provided departmental accommodation as distinct from rented 3191. SHRI SANAT KUMAR accommodation, Circle-wise (State-wise in MANDAL: Will the Minister of INDUS- case of Multi-State Circles) as at end of the TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be Sixth Five Year Plan and also the position pleased to lay a statement showing :- in regard to residential accommodation for the staff Circle-wise (State-wise in caiC of (a) the present scale of salaries, allow· multi-State Circles) 1 ances and perks, provision of rent-free accommodation a"d other amenities permit- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ted by Government to the executives of MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS private sector companies; (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir; (b) whether some of tt.e companies provide residential accommodation to its (b) There is no separate criteria for executives at rent ranaing between five to construction of quarters in the urban and ten thousands of rupees per month in the rural areas. The overall criteria for each capital; if so; the details of pennissible circle which was fixed durin. 6th Plan element of rent either recoverable from these period was J 0% satisfaction. For telephone executive or included in their .,erks; and exchlnles, the cotlstructibai df bUildina is 165 CHAITItA 26, 190'7 (IAKA) taken io band normaU, wbate MAX.. } type buUdinp. The illfonnatioo as to the ~cen· exchanges are justified. The abovo taraets tase of exchanges in departmental buiJdiol are subject to availability of resources. stalewise as at the end of the 6th Plan is not readily available. As for the staff quar- (c) Most of the excbanges in tbe bigler ters the percentage of satisfaction circle- urban areas are in the Departmental build- wise as well as District-wise as on 31.3.1984 ings, and in the rural areas in tbe rented is given in the statement attached. Statemeat Percentage :latis/action of t~ staff qua1ters in Circles as on 31.3.1984. Name of the Circle Percentage Sati sfaction 1. Andhra Pradesh 8.73 2. Bihar 10.00 3. Gujarat 2.54 4. J&K 2.67'/ 5. Karnataka 5.4ft 6. Kerala 4.3S 7. Madhya Pradesh ·6.5' 8. Maharashtra 3,.48 9. North East '9.2' 10. North West 1.72 11. Orissa , 1.7'1 12. Rajasthan 7.4,1 J 3. Tamilnadu 5.2' 14. Uttar Pradesh 8.55 15. West Bengal .8.2. 16. T. & D Circle 12.80 17. ALTTC Ghaziabad 60.50 18. O.M. TeJecom. Stores Calcutta 5.09 Note: For N.W. Circle State-wise percentage satisfaction a6 31.3.1985 is as follows: "age satisfaction Haryana 6.51 Himachal Pradesh 8.54 Punjab 5.71 107, Writ,,,,, Atr~ "APRIL 16. 198'5 W,.'II", 'AIUWr.t'I 108 I'ercentag, lalil/acl/on of 'lte staff quarters in TelephDne District, a. on 31 3.1984 Name of tbe Telephono Percentage Satiltaction ------I. A&ra 6.41 2. Ahmedabad. 2.95 . 3. Amritsar 3.89 4. Bangalorc 2.35 S. Baroda 2.83 6. Bombay 4.28 7. Calicut 5.19 i. Calcutta 3.S7 9. Chandiprb 14.04 10. Coim\>atore 12.31 11. Delhi 7.76 )2. Efnakulam 6.95 13. Gaubati 5.62 1'4. Hyder-abad 6.88 1.5. lnd0re 5.69 16. Iaipur 10.46 17. lullundhur 8.84 18. Kanpur 4.36 1'9. Lucknow 2.67 20. Ludhiana, 4.82 21. Madras 4.82 22. Madurai 1.85 23. Nagpur 3.49 24. Patna 5.74 25. Pune 5.97 26. Rajkot 5.17 27. Surat 1.08 28. Trivandrumr 7.71 29. Vijayawada S,68 109 CHAITltA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltllft Alpwer. 110 IDltaiiatlOD of Automatic Telephone Telephoue COIIDections in States and Excbanles in Himachal Pradesh telephone exchanges.& Krishna Distriet of Aadbra Pradesh 3193. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR : Will tbe Minister of 3194. SHRI V. SOBHANADREE- COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: SW ARA RAO: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (a) the exact position regarding the . installation of Automatic Telephone (a) the total number of telephone connee· Exchanges (MAX-II) at Hamirpur, Bilaspur tions given as at the end of December, 1984, and Una in Himachal Pradesh; State-wise; (b) the likely date by which these exchan- (b) the number of telephone connections ges would be installed at these district head- given in Krishna District Andhra Pradesh as quarters; at the end of December, 1984; (c) the target dates for the instaUation of (c) whether the Telecommunications these exchanges and those at the other district Department has a proposal to connect several headquarters of the State; and important telephone exchanges in Krishna Dtstrict by inter diaJJina system: and (d) the reasons for delay in their instal- lation ? (d) if so, the details and tbe action taken thereon? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) The equipment for installation of Automatic Telephone Exchanges (MAX-H) at Hamirpur, tota 1 number of telephone connections Bilaspur and Una is expected during 1985- working as on 31.12. 1984 State-wise is as per statement attached; 86. (b) the number of telephone connections (b) and (c). The exchanges at BiJaspur, working in Krishna District, Andhra Pradesh Hamirpur and Una are likely to be installed on 31.12.1984 is 17,900. during 1986-87. The exchanges at the other district headquarters of the state are likely to (c) Yes, Sir, be installed during the 7th Five Year Plan. (d) Nandigama·and Pamarru are proposed (d) the above exchanges could not be for conneeting to Vijayawada TAX. Allot- commissioned so far due to non-availability ment for Auto equipment for these stations of equipment. from Mis 1. T. I. has been made. Statement Sr. State : serving Telecom, Telephone Telephone con- No. Circle including Telephone connections nections given District. workIng on from 1.4.84 to 31.12.1984 31.12.84 --_._------_------.,.------_ 1 2 3) 1. Andhra Pradesh 1,36,258 5124 2. Bihar. 63,884 937 3. Gujarat 2,46,361 664S III AI'lUL 16, 19.15 WrUIat....." ttZ 1 l 3 4. Jammu and Kashmir 17,449 491 5. Kerala (including Mabc 1,34,070 2804 and Laksbdwcep) 6, ){am.taka 2,19,095 6314 7. Madh,. Pradesh !7,132 2399 I. Maharashtra (includins Goa) S,87,486 27,990 ,. North East (covering States 41,478 10lt of AssaD, Tripura, Manipur Mizoram, 'Nagaland, Meghalaya and. Anmacbal Pradesh) 10. Nortb West (covering. Punjab 1,72,719 1612 Haryana Himachal Pradesb and Union Territory of Cbal'Jdiprh) 11. Ori988 33,756 2541 12. Rajasthan 91,944 4534 13. Uttar Ptadelb 1,74,296 4065 14.. Ta111l1 Nadu (including 2.S4,956 4314 PolMlichcrr7) " JSr West Bengal (inducting 2,.31,SSl 1388 Sikkim and Andaman and Nicobar" 16. 'Delhi (Union Territory) 2,60,375 12,314 Total 27,52,840 84,483 Impod of LPG cylinders fro. Brazil (c:) whether the Brazilian firm which failed to supp]y a consignment of J..8 lakh 3195, SHR) V. SOBHANADRE- cylinders in time as per the (ontra,t, is now ESWARA RAO : Will the Minister of .ryina 10 act it renewed; PETROLEUM be pleased &0 8t~te : (d) whether severa) units ate suffering fof' (a) whethn tbe Jndian Oit Corpolation want of order to manufacture the cylinder; bad giveD an order for import for 8 )akb (e) if so, the reasons why 10e imJ)orted L. p" G. cylind.fS r,om llrazil; these cytinders; and (b) if JO, the number of ~ylindm impor- (f) whethct Government prot'ose to stop ted at 00 10 April 1985; import of L. P. G. cyl.ndcIs and cylindet ! I 113 CHAITRA 26. 1907 (SAKA) Writ/en Aruwers 114 vaJ.ves and live order to the several units Telecommunication net work in that State which are strualina hard to ~b break- duri11l the Sixth Five Year Plan; even point? (b) if so, the steps taken to implement THE MlNISTER OF STATE OF THE the proposal submitted by the Government MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRI of Madhya Pradesh; and NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (8) Yes. (c) the details thereof? Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) 5.55 lakhs cylinders have been received MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS till April )0,1985. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) No, Sir. No such request had been received to (c) The Brazilian supplier has represented our knowledge from the Government of to IOC against the curtailment of the ordered Madhya Pradesh. quantity by 1.80 lakhs. (b) and (c). Telecommunications Depart- (d) Yes, Sir. ment prepares integrated plans for the country as a whole and the development programmes (e) The decision to import cylinders was for various areas are planned according to taken in the context of continued poor availa- the requIrements as a part of an overall bility of cylinders from indigenous manu- pJan. facturers during 1981-82. 1982-83 and 1983- ~4. In Madhya Pradesh during the Sixth Five Year plan 207 new telephone exchanges (f) While wvemment do not propose to have been opened, 32120 lines of switchin stop the on-going import of cylinders and capacity have been added, 25857 telephone valves. ways of rendering help to the indi- connections have been provided, 1205 .Long Menous manufacturers of cylinders are being Distance PCOs and 1370 telegraph offices explored. have been opened. One telex exchange has been installed and 113 telex connections ha,,~ Expansion of Telecommunication been prOVided. TA!X capacity has been net work In .Maclbya Praclesla expanded by 700 hnes. 6 STD Routes have also been opened during the same period in 3196. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: Will ~adhya Prade~h. the Minister:tllpf COM M UNICATIONS be pleased to state : The status of telecommumcatjon services in respect of the important itmes in Madhya (a) whether Government of Madhya Pradesh as on 1.4.80 and 1.4.85 is gi\en in Pradesh had requested hl~ Ministry to expand the statement attached. Statement MADHYA PRADESH (M. P. Telecom. Circle + Indore Telephone Distt.) SI. No. Name of Telecom. FCicilities Status as Status Increase on 1.4.80 as on during 1.4.85 1980-85 1 2 3 4 1. No. of Telephone Exchanses· 429 636 207 - 2, CaPt\eity of Exchanaes (Lines) iOlSO 112270 32120 Writts AMwen APIlIL 16. 19,1' 1J6 -_._--. ------._------.------~ ) 2 3 3.. Tclcp'ooc Workin. Connections 697S4 9S611 258S1 (Nos.) 4. Lona Distance PCOs (Nos.) 996 2201 120S S. Telegrapll Offices (Nos.) J592 2962 137() 6. Telex Excbanaes (Nos.) 9 10 ) 7. Telex Working Connections (Nos.) 377 490 113 8. T. A. X. (Numbers) J NIL 9. Capacity of TAX (Lines) 800 1500 700 10. Point to Point STD 6 12 6 Routes (Nos.) ------._------Import of L.P.G. ing of the Takhcr Fertilizer Unit in Orissa; 3197. SHRI O. M. BANATWALLA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased (b) if so, the details in this regard; and to state : (c) tlte steps being taken to see that the (a) whether in spite of projected SUrp)U5 fertilizer unit works smoothly? of L.P.G. stocks, it had bec()me necessary to THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND import stocks of L.P.O.; FERTILIZER.S AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEEREN- (b) if so, the quantity imported durinl the year; and DRA PATIL): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir, The Talcber Fertilizer Plant is _ing difficulties by (c) The steps being taken by Government due to frequent power cuts imposed to meet consumers demands ? Orissa State Electricity Board and equipment problems. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) In order to achieve sustained pro- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI duction, at satisfactory level, a 30 MW Gas NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and Turbine Generator Set has been installed to (b). Approximately 99,000 MT of L.P.G. overcome the shortage of power. Various was imported during 1984·85 in keeping with other short and long-term measures have also the projected figure of 100,000 MT. been identified, to remove the constraints in production, by a High Level Technical Com- (c) Schemes for augmentation of L.P.G. mittee. Most of the short-term measures production, bottling capacity, transportation have already been completed. An end-to- and other infrastructure facilities are being end servey of the plant by Mis Krupp implemented so as to release new connections Koppen of West Germany, with the assis- ~nd service existiol consumers. tance of World Bank. is also beina under- Talcber Fertilizer Unit taken and remedial measures shall be initiated on the basis of their recommendation•• 3198. SHRI ANANT PRASAD SETHI: Short supply of portland cement to Will tbe Minister of CHEMICALS AND States by Factories FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: 3199. SHRI CHINTAM ANI lENA : (a) whetf1er it is a fact that some diffi- SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: culties are beiDa experienced in the functi.n- Will the Minister of INDUSTllY ANP 117 CHAI11lA 26, 1907 (SAKA) IJ~ COMPANY A.FFAIRS be pleued to state: MiNISTR.Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes. (a) whether ordinary portland cement i$ Sir.. aenerany used for constnldion of bridaes ancl multi-'8toreyed buildinp; (b) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the annual production of such ~'C) No, Sir.. ~megt in the (lOUott:Yi ParticlpaU'HI fA BHEL Ia ExJalbitlon. (c:) whether Government ~ aware that Abr0a4 cement factories a~ reluctant to supply ordinary portland «ment to the State 3201. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PAS WAN: Governments as per their demand; and Will tlte MlDister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state; (d) if so, wheth« Orissa Government have approached the Union Government to (a) whether MIs.. Bharat Heavy Electri- issue dIrections to the cement factories to cab Limited is to participate in the trade ex" supply ocdinary portland cement as per its hlbitions abroad during 1985-86; demand to meet the commitment of construc- tion activities under the lona term life span (b) if so., the details the.-oot; and schemes ! (c) tite e~tirnated expenditure therefor THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and the number of employees expected to be MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- sent a broad 1 PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM .. MAD KHAN) ~ (a) Yes, Sir~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM .. - (b) 9.53 mi11ion tonnes in 1984. PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- MAD KHAN): (a) and (b), BHEl. ~ plan- (c) Instructions exist to the effect that nang to participate, through Trade Fair the cement factories (other than those licensed Authority of India, in Zimbabwe International for manufacture of portland slag cement) Trade Fau' scheduled from 27 April to 5th 'Should supp1y ordinary portland cement to May. 19~5~ the extent of 30 per cent of their levy obli- gation to meet the essential requirements of (c) The expcndihlre i's estimated to be the Central/State Government Departments. Rs. 1.5 lakR'\ and It IS proposed to depute However, there are instances where the two perSOR£ front DHEL for tile purpose~ cement factories havc not supplied ordinary portland 'Cetncnt to the desired extent.. Production or p"per and newsprint in Sel'entll Plan (d) Yes, Sir.. 3202. SHRI RAM 'BHAGAT PA-SWAN : Will the M'ni~ter of INDUSTRY AND Recruitment of Graduate Tra Mees in ONGC COMPA.NY A.FFAIRS be pleased to state: 3200. SHRI AJOY BISWAS : Will the (a) whether Government propose to plan Minister of PETROUUM be pleased to for mcr~a'Sina the production Qf newsprint state : and paper in the COU{ltry ill Seventh Five: (a) whether the Oil and Nalnnt1 GllS Yoor Plan~ Con'lrni~ion is recruiting graduate trainees ~ (b~ if so, the details tbereof; and (b) if so, whether ONGC has framed (c) when tlte toontry is likely to be self- any norms to teen it such trainees; and 'Sufficient in newsJ)f"int., paper and other paper (c) whether the e. PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS MAD KHAN) : (a) to (c). The demand for AND FERTILIZERS AND IN DUSTltY, paper and paper board by 1989·90 is expec- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ted to be of tf'le order of 17.38 lakh tonnes VEERENDllA PATIL) : (a) and (b). Fore- and that for newsprint 4.94 lakh tonnes. The ign collaborations are approved on mm-its in installed capacity required to meet the demand cases where satisfactory indigenous techno- would be of the order of 23.17 lakh tonnes logy is not available or the entrepreneur in- (on the basis of 75% capacity utilisation) for tends to update the existing technology. The paper and paper board, and 6.18 Jakh tonnes general guidelines for Foreign Collaboration (on the basis of 80% capacity utilisation) for approvals are contained in the Guidelmes for newsprint. The capacity for paper and board Induitries which is a published document of required by 1989-90 has already been instal- Ministry of Industry. led in the country. In respect of newsprint, the present installed capacity is 2.30 lakh ton- Foreign collaborations for motor vehicle nes and an additional ~apacity of 6.63 lakh industries tonnes bas been approved by way of Indus- trial Licences/Letters of Jntent, which is under 3205. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS various stages of implementation. MUNSI : Will the Minister cf lNDUSTRY AND COMPANY. AFFAIRS be pleased to In order to improve the capacity utilisa- state: tion and increase production. various fiscal concessions have been extended to the indus- (a) whether Government are in favour of try and infrastructural support has been encouraging foreign collaborations in the field improved. of motor vehicle industries; and FaCilities for water and sanitary lavatories in Secunderabad (b) if so, the guidelines and criteria for sanctioning foreig,) collaborations '! 3203. DR. G. VUAYA RAMA RAO: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state whether the suitable facilities are to be MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- provided for civilians at Secunderabad can- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- tonment in regard to water and sanitary MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). The Government lavatories? have been permitting selective import of technology with a view to manufacturing THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI modern and fuel efficient motor vehicles. P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : Facilities for civilians in regard to water supply and sani- Clearance of collaboration projects by tary lavatories in Secunderabad Cantonment Foreign Investment Board do exist. The improvement in the existing faci- lities will be carried out in a phased way de- 3206. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS pending upon the availability of funds. MUNSl: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to Foreign Collaborations in Drug, Chemicals state: and Fertilizer Industries (a) whether the Foreign Investment Board 3204. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS approved and cleared the five foreign colla- ~1UNSI : Will the Minister of CHEMICALS boration proje-cts of various items in favour AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: of MIs. Reliance Textiles Industries Ltd. of Bombay between August 1984 to December~ (a) whether Government are in favour of 1984; encouraging foreign collaborations in the field of Drug, Chemicals and Fertilizer industries; (b) if so, the details of the projects and and the reasons of clearance; and (b) if so, the guidelines and criteria for (c) whether Foreign Investment Bo~rd sanctioning foreign collaborations '1 bas tnquired about the viability of those pro- 121 Wrltte" Mlw,,., CHAITRA 26, 1807 (SAKA) Wrltun AMwfl"~ 122 jeds and the actual existence of t~ colla .. names are not ordinarily allowed for use o. borators ? the products for internal sale~, although there is DO objection to their usc on products to be THE MINISTER Of CHEMICALS exported. A condition to this ctTect is AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY being incorporated in aU apPIovals for forclan AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI collaborations. VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) and (b). The particulars of foreign collaboration proposals Auto Telephone Exchange at Nizama- approved, viz. name of the Indian Company. bad In Andhra Pradesh foreign collaborator, item of manufacture, nature of collaboration are published on a 3208. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the quarterly basis by the Indian Investment Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased Centre, as a supplement to its monthly News to state : Letter. Copies of the publication are sent regularly to the Parliament Library. As a (a) whether the commissioning of Auto matter of policy, specific information relating E~change at Nizamabad (A.P.) sanctioned to individual Company particularly in relation way ba~k in 1974 is delayed due to delay in to financial det8 ils, reasons for approval/re- construction of buiJding; jection, terms offered etc. are not revealed. (b) if so, the reasons for delay in cons- (c): Foreign Collab0ration proposa Is are truction of this building; examined keeping in view the technical com- petence of the parties, magnitude of opera- (c) whether due to this delay the equip- tions, economic viability of the projects and ment meant for this Exchange has been trans· availability of indigenous resources as well ferred to some other place; as rec!pients, present and future technical <.:apabilitics. (d) whether the building has been comple- ted now; and New poUcy in regard to foreign collaborations (e) if so, the date by which Auto Tele- phone exchange will be commissioned? 3207. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM· THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to slate: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MJRDHA): (a) and (a) whether it is a fact that while grant- (b). The project for telephone exchange at ing foreign collaborations, Government uied Nizamabad was sanctioned in July 1982 and to stipulate that no foreign trsde marks building work was commenced in December would be permitted; 1982. Thus there has been no delay after the project was sanctioned. (b) whether this pollcy has undergone a change; (c) The equipment for 2500 lines alloted to Nizamabad was diverted to Eluru as the (c) if so, the new policy of Government building is not yet ready. with regard to foreian collaborations in non- priority industry; and (d) No, Sir. The building is likely to be ready by end of 1985. (d) whether investment of foreign capital, (e) The telephone exchange is likely to be process know how and use of pat trade commissioned in t 987 -88 dependina upon the marks is going to be permitted? availability of re,ources. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Seminar by Cement Corporation of MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- India 00 "orkers participation in PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- management MAD KHAN) : (a) to (d). As a general policy of the Ooverethent, use of foreign 3209. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : Will brand names 1S discouraged. Foreign brand the Minister "of INDUS11l Y AND COM· 123 APIUL 16, 1985 Wrlttm Aluwerl 124 PANY APFADlS be pleased to statc: 9. Shri Legnathan-Chairman, ShoP Council (a> whether a seminar on workers parti- 10. Shri Daya Ram-Co-Chairman, Shop cipation in management and quantity circles Council was orpnised by the Cement Coporation of ladia on 17 March, 1985; 11. Shri B.B. Dheer-Chairman. Shop Council (b) if so, the names and number of per- sonnel who participated in the Seminar; and 12. Shri Baksbish Sinab-Co.Chairman. Shop Council (c) the decisions arrived at the Seminar? 13. Shri Y.K. Naranl-Chairman, Shop Council THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTR.Y AND COM- 14. Shri O.K. Choudhary-Chairman Shop PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- Council MAD KHAN): (c) The Seminar wJaich was second in the 16. Shri Bhagmal, Shop Council series organised by the Cement Corporation 17. Shri L.C. Mishra, Shop Council of India Ltd., is part of the training program- me of the Corporation. The Seminar was 18. Shri R.C. Yadav, Shop Council basically an educative one for providing necessary guidelines to workers and manage- 19. Shri S.L. Maagu-Chairman, Co- ment representatives for smooth running of ordinators Plant Council Shop Councils and Plant Councils and arriv- 20. Shri Ram Jivan -Co-Chairman, Shop ina at decisions by consensus. Council Statement 21. Shri Rajeev Kapoor, Chemical Engineer LIST OF PARTICIPANTS 22. Sbri Raghubir Sinah NAYAGAON 23. Sbri Subey Sinah 1. Shri Ladulal Jain, Cbargeband-Co- Chiarmao, Plant Council 24. Shri R.K. Bhardwaj 2. Shri Ramji Lal Morya-Worker 25. Shri R.S. Bikanari Member, Shop Co"ncil 26. Shrj M.L. Arora 3. Shri R.L. Kumawat-Co-Chairman, 27. Sbri Daya Nand Shop Council 28. Sbri Sahebdayal Ghai 4. Sbri M.L. Sharma-Worker Member, Shop Council CORPORATE OFFICE CHARKHI DADRJ 29. Shri Maya Ram, President Cem~n' Corporation Employees Union s. Shri Il.K. Sarin-Chairman, Plant Council 30. Shri C.M. Basin, Vice·President " 6. Shri B.S. Prabhakar-Co-Chairman 31. Shri S.K. Taqi, Genera] Se~retary " and President DDCF Mens' Unwn Waltllll Lilt lor new Telepltoae 7. Shri S.N. Katyal-Cbairman, Shop Coanectlon. Council 3210. SURI K,P. UNNIKllISHNAN: 8. Sbri Iswar Sinab-Co-Chainnan, Shop Win the MiniltOr of COMMUNICATIONS Council be pleased to state : 125 Writ'. Aluwer6 CHAlTRA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Writ. AIuwe" 126 tbe demand for new telephone COD- (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) The information is given in MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Column 4 of tbe statement attached. Statement States, serving Telecom. Circles, Demand for new Percentage utilisation S. No. including Te)ephone Districts/ telephones, i.e. of switching capacity Metropolitan cities. No. of persons as on 31.1.1985. on waiting list as on 31.1.1985. 1 2 3 4 1. Andra Pradesh 51,012 84.S 2. Bihar 8,705 85 3. Gujarat 85,294 89 4. Jammu & Kashmir 6,690 87.5 s. Karnataka 38,408 89 6. Kerala (including Mahe and Lakshdweep) 52,547 94 7. Madhya Pradesh 26,876 83 8. Mabarashtra (including Goa) 76,543 89 9. North East (covering States of Assam, Tripura, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland, MeghaJaya and Arunachal Pradesh) 6.271 84 10. North West (covering Punjab, Haryana and Hjmacha1 Pradesh. and Union Territory of Cbandigarb) 51.698 89 11. Orissa 3,146 84 12. Rajasthan 23,574 86 13. Uttar Pradesh 36,996 86.S 14. Tamil Nadu (includiol Pondicherry) 33,106 91 121 APRIL 16, 1985 128 1 2 3 4 1 S. Wes1 Bengal (including Sikkim and Andaman & Nicobar) 3,399 83 METRO CITIES 16. Delhi Telephones 1,3t,S80 88 17. Bombay Telephones 1,58,041 8S 18. Calcutta 29A47 84 " 19. Madras 33,757 87 " Ban on Persons with Criminal records (b) if so, the details thereof; and contesting Elections (C) if not, the reasons therefor 1 3211. SHRI G.G. SWELL: Will the THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be plea~ed to state: AND FERTILiZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether he has received a request VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) No, Sir. from the Election Commission to legislate for debarring persons with criminal records (b) The question does not arise. from contesting elections; and (c) The plant was mechanicallY completed (b) if so, in what way the new recommen- in November, 1979, however, the commission- dations of the Election Commission will differ ing of the main production plant could not from the existing provision that a person be proceeded witn due to inability of the convicted by a court of law stands automati- West Bengal State Electricity Board tWBSEB) cally disqualified ? to supply required quantum of power in a phased manner. A 20 MW gas turbine was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE approved by Government In December, 1980 MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUST[CE which became regularly operational by begin· (SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) No such ning of 1982 when commissioning activities proposal has been received. It is understood started and trial production of methanol from the Election Commission that the Com- started in April, 1982. However, a large mission is processing its recommendation on number of mechanical breakdowns took place certain measures for debarring persons with during pre·commissioning and commIssioning crimal records from contesting elections. stage. Presenfly, out of three numbers of oxygen compressors only one oxygen com- (b) Does not arise at this stage. pressor is in operation for commissioning of the plant. The two oxyaen compressors are Production by Hindustan Fertilizer under repair and expected to be ready for Corporation Unit, Haldia commissioning by June/July, '85. After these ~ompressors are ready, full scale commission .. 3212. SHRI SATYGOPAL MISRA: Will ing activities will be resumed. the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTI~ LlZERS b~ pleased to atate : Pension IChome for employees of ONGC (a) whether the Hindustan Fertilizer Cor- 3213. SHRI A10Y BISWAS. Will the poration unit at Haldia has started commer- Minister of PBTROLEUM be pleasc4 to cial productioD; state : CHAI'taA 21, 190'7 (SAKA.> JlO <8> whether the Oil and Natura) Gas MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Commission has any proposal to introduce NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) There pension stheme for its employees; and is no proposal to set up an LPG extraction! bottling pJant in Tripura.. ·(b) if so, the details of the scheme? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (c) The LPG demand of consumers in NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) and Tripura is being met from the LPG Bottling ,(b). A scheme for granting pensionary benefits Plant at DuHajan. to its employees has been submitted by the Oil and Natural Gas Commission for Govern· Light motor passenger vehicles ment's approval. Ministry of Finance (Bureau of Public Enterprises) are reviewing the termi- 3215. SHRI SHANTARAM POTDUKHE: nal benefits admissible to the employees of Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM .. the public sector undertakings. The scheme PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: for pensionary benefits proposed by the Oil and Natural Gas Commission would be (a) the total prices of light motor passon- examined in the context of general policy ger vehicles; formulated by the Bureau of Public Enter- prises for the public sector undertakings. (b) the total production durins the finan- cial year 1984-85 make-wise; and I Setting up of cooking gas plant In Tripura (c) the demand from the people and steps proposed to be taken to fulfil the 3214. SHRI AJOY BISWAS: Will the same? Minister of PETROLEUM be plensed to btate : THE MINISTER OF·STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- (3.) whether Government have any pro- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIf' MOHAM- posal to set up any cooking gas plant in MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). A statement is Tripura for utilisation of the huge deposit of attached. natural gas; (c) The Sub-Group on Automobiles and (b) if so, the details of the proposal; Earthmoving Industry for the VII Plans has and projected a demand of 1,40,000 passenger cars and 45,000 cross country vehicles for the (c) if not, the reasons thereof? year 1989-90. Sufficient production capacity is being set up to meet the projected THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE demand. Statement (a) Ex-factory prices excluding excise of some well known brands of light motor passen .. ,ger vehicles are given below :- (figures Rs. in '000) (i) HJadustan Motors (a) Car "Ambassador" (retrol) 52 (b) Car '''Contesla'' 65 ,(ii) PHmier ~btN8 (a) Premier Padmini so 131 132 ~) Deluxe BE" 54' (t) Delu_ ,S (Bi) Maruff (a) Car (Blue and Wlut«) •• (b) Deluxe 71 tc) Frat roof 'Wan (Whi1e: aDd B..., 47 (9) Mahiadra JeefJ (a) Petr.ot il (!») Diesel 12 (b) The total production. durlo& the fina.cllt yea, (A"ril 1984-Mar~h 198~) is as follow! :- (i) HiDdustan. M.c.&,5 Car~ 25 Trekker 2 (ii) Premis Autam.bDes LI4~ Car 2S ~ji) Manti Ulyog Limited Cars· 21 Vans- Z (hi) Mahindra " Mabfnd'r. 1eeps 23 (v) Sipani Automoblleso Cars J C ..verslo. of manual Telepboner (c) if so, tbe det~ls lber.eof,. State-wise- tschana- into automsrtfc Telephone and If not, the reasons "hereof; Exchanael (d) the difficultie» in converting manuall 3216. SHRJ SHANTARAM POTDUKHE: excbanges into automa\i~ excbanaes; and Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (e) the steps beina taken by Government ill thIs regard 1 (a) the number of aut{)matic telephone exchanges in tIM country, State-wise; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTIlY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) whether all the manual telephone RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) The number exchanges have been GOBverted ince automatj~ of automatic telcphene exchan,e5 io tbe country ncbelllt's; State-wise is liven in statcmegt attached. "'tltRII A~ ellAit'llA 26,1101 (SAKA) Wr.ltttm ,f,....,. 134 '(b) :No., k (iv) Non ....ailability of sufficient Sunds. (0) and (d). AllftDnUl atebaQges coulil "(e) 'Following 'S'teps are being taken by enot 'be conve!'ted irsto automatic telephone the Go-Iernrnent in this regaro; exchanges -due ¢\).the foUowtng fCaSO[lS : (i) AQde shortage or.au&osnat.ic cx- (i) to set .up .additional munufacturing Q~ equipment. l.tni.ts to step up production of telephone exchange aquipmenlb; '(ii) Non availability elf msitable tand an4 and baiiding for hOllsing ~hone exchanges; tH) to expedite ooostruction of tele- phone exchange bnildings with puc- (iii) Financial "jabi1i~.of ptQjccts; anti suit for more aJJocation of funds. Statement -Sl. No. Name of Sta.lei Number of a4lto-exchanges work'ng .as on 1.4.85 ------~--- 2 .3 1. Andhra Pradesh 1630 2. Bihar 295 3. 4. J &K 68 5. Karnataka 888 I{). Kerala 535 "':] . Madhya Pradeslt 525 :R' MaharashtA :861 g. (a) Assam 14Q (b) Arunachal Pradesh 23 (d) Manipur .16 (e) Mizoram 7 to Nagaland 24 (I) Tripura 20 10, (a) Haryana 1146 (b) Himachal Pradesh .157 135 ~PJUL J6, 1985 ",,.'IIM A"..,. I 2 ...... _------_------._--- ._.__ ." (c) Punjab 292 11 .. Orissa 226 12. Rajasthan 440 13. Tamil Nadu 1023 .14. Uttar Pradesh 713 15. West Bengal 372 16. Delhi 50 Efforts by French Companies to into the leakage of gas and jf so, the out- Collaborate in Oil and Gas come of the inquiry; Sector (c) whether the cases of leak.age of gases. 3217. SHRJ R. ANNANAMBI: Will from the various plants in the country have the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased been increasmg; to state: (d) if so, the number of fertilizer plant (a) whether some French companies where gas leakage was found during the last are looking for either service contracts, joint two months; technical ventures or even direct invesment in Oil and gas sector in India; and (e) the details of their enquiry reports~ and (b) Tf so, the reaction of Government jn this regard ? (f) the steps being taken to check thiS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE leakage '! MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI THE MINISTER OF CHEMICAL AND NAWAL KJSHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, Sir. FERTILIZER AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEEREN- (b) With a view to indigenise oil field DRA PATIL): (a) and (b). An incident of equipment and service, Government encour- Chlorine Gas leakage occurred on ~6.2.198S ages technical collaboration and formation in Kothari Industrial Corporation Limited. of joint venture companies with reputed MaDali (Madras). The factory was ordered foreign companies. to be closed as there were defects in the safety systems in the plant. A team of Closure of Kothari Chemical Plant officers from the Chief Inspectorate of in Suburban Ma.. U Factories, Tamil Nodu as well as from the Directorate of Forensic Science Laboratory. 3218. SHRI B.V. DESAI: Will the who were deouted by the State GOYerment Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILI. for iiwestigation, found that the operation ZERS be pleased to state: of the scrubber through which the waste gas. was passed for utilisation with the heJp of (a) whether Kothari Chemica] Plant in bydrateo lime was not fanctioning properly the suburban Manali has been ordered to be with the result that the chlorine gas escaped. closed hdefiniteJy foUowina alleged chlorine in the atmosphere. Certa.in other defects. leak on 27 February, 1985: were also noticed. (b) ~hether any inquiry wa.s conducted The manaacment have since takctt 137 CHAITRA 26; 1987 (~A) 138 nec:eSSOJ')' measusure8. The f&CU;H"Y has been only after tbe finalisa.tion of -tht Seven h allowed to be re-opened on 20-3 -1985 under Plan. the supet vision of the officers of the Chief Inspectorate of Factories after complying (d) Yes, Sir. The ONGC had prepared with the safety measures sugested by the a 10 year plan upto the year 1989·90 cover- latter. ing the Seventh Plan period. Upto the year 1984-85, the actual production had been (c) No data is available to establish that almost what was planned. leakage of gases flom various plants have been increasing. Mobile Telephones (d) to (f). There were reports of leakage 3220. SHRI B V. DESAI: Will the of Sulphuric Acid and Ammonia from the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be plea- plants of the Rashtriya Chemicals and Fer- sed to state: tilizers Limited (ReF) in Chembur. (a) whether about 100 mobile telephones The position in respect of steps taken will be commissioned on an experimental to avoid Ammonia leakage has already been basis before the end of the year; explained in reply to Lok Sabha Unstarred Qusstion No. 1763 answered on 2-4-1984. (b) if so, whether the two-way radio telephone with a system engineering worked On account of a crack in a pipe. in out by the Telecommunication Research the Sulphuric Acid Plant of RCF on 1.4. Centre will have all the facilities that can be J 985. there was emi~sion of gas and flow of had from an ordinary telephone; acid for 10 minutes. The plant was imme- dIately shut down on this account for neces- (c) if so, the details thereof; sary repairs. (d) the time by which the mobile tele- Steps to increa~e oil Production by phone Will start functioning; and on aDd Natural Gas Commission (e) the cost involved in such telephone '1 3219. SHRI B.V. DESAI: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be plea~ed to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE state: MINJ~TRY OF COMMUNICATlONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes~ (a) whether on and Natural Gas Com- Sir. a trial with some mobile telephone is mission proposes to double its oil production proposed to be conducted in Delhi. during the Seventh Five Year Plan by modernising oil explorntion in the on-shore (b) Yes, Sir. sector and introducing new technology; (c) The trials to be carried out are Of) (b) the extent to which the Oil and operational aspects to take up feasibility Natural Gas Commission is planning to studies for installation of telephones in mov- increase oil production; ing vehicles on a regular basis. (c) the extent to which it will be higher (d) The trials are scheduled to com- than in the Sixth Five Year Plan; and mence in a few months' time. (d) whether the Oil and Natutal Gas (e) The cost for the experiment is abolt Commission had planned a ten-year pro- Rs. 1.5 crores. The tariff for the service gramme in oil exploration earlier also and if will depend on various factors such as so, with what results? number of subcribers. cct. and this is being assessed. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Automatic Licensing in Selected Industries NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (c). The tarset of crude production and details 3221. SHRI B. V. DESAI: Will the of tbe exploration programme during the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY Seventh Five Year Plan would be available AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 139 Wrlll", AnlWerl APklL 16, 198' Wrltt~" "fliNt" 140 (a) whether Union Government have raised from Rs. 20 lakhs to Rs. 3 S decided to liberalise the existing industrial lakhs and for ancillary un its from licensing policy by introducing a new concept Rs. 2S lakbs to Rs. 4S lakbs. of automatic licensing in selected industries; (111) In the case of tele-communication equipment, it has been decided that :. (b) if so, whether this was one of the recommendations by the Jha Commission on Economic and Administrative Reforms (a) The cooperation of privated which went into the entire gamut of indus- enterprise may be secured in the trial licensing including procedures; munufacture of switching and transmission equipment with (c) if so, the other sugeestions made by atleast 51% share being held by the Jha Commission; the Central/State Governments and maximum of 49% being held (d) how many of them have been a,,-cp- by the private sector parties. ted and implemented; and (b) The private sector may be permitted to take up the manu .. (e) the extent to which the industrial facture of telecommunication licensing policy has been liberalised ? equipment for installation at the subscribers' premises, such as THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE telephone instruments, PABXs, MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- teleprinters, data communication PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- equipment etc. MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). 25 broad cate- gories of im!ustries have been delicensed vide Disconnection of Telephones for non- notification dated 18.3.1985. payment of dues (c) and (d). The report of the Jha 3222. SHRJ K. RAMAMURTHY : Will Commission has not yet been publlsed. the Minister of COMM UNICATIONS be pleased to state: (e) Apart from the scheme of delicens- ing referred to in reply to part (a) and (b) (a) whether the important recommcnda .. of the question, the following other libera- tions contained in the Manangement Study tions have been announced rece'1tiy. Report of the Department of Personnel and Administrative Refonns on 'The Procedure (I) With a view to encourage larger for disconnection of telephones for non-pay- volume of production and provide ment-of dues' (completed in 1983·84 and in- fle~ibility to the manufacturers to dicated on pages 105/106 of 1983-84 Annual adjust their production-mix, depend- Report of the Department of Personnel and ing upon the market demand, schemes Administrative Reforms), have been imple· of broad-banding have been announ- mented; and ced in respect of tbe following indus- tries: (b) if so, the results thereof? (a) Machine Tools. THE M1NISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (b) Motorised 2-Wbeelers. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. The important recommendations as (c) Motorised 4-wheeled vehicles. accepted by t'le 'Empowered Committee' (d) Paper and pulp including paper have been implemented barring two recom- products mendations for which preliminary action for implementation is in progress. (e) Chemical, Pharmaceutical, petro- chemicals and fertilizer macbinery (c) The recommendations made are industry. purely procedural in nature and hence it is Dot possible to assess the results of tbe (II) Investment for small scale has been cban.aes made immediately. It can be folt 141 CHAlTIlA 26. 1907 (SAKA) 142 only after the modified procedure bas been RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): Brallch Post Offices in vogue for some time. are opened under libtralised norms both in tbe tribal and backward areas. No concession Rehabilitation of Sick Industries In is available for opening of sub post offices. Small Scale Sector A copy of the existing norms for opening of Branch Post Offices and sub post offices 3223. SHRI K. RAMAMURTY: Will is fa id on the Table of the House (placed in the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM- Library See No. L.T. 938/85). PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Compensatory Allowanfe to Postal StaB' (a) the details of the scheme of margin Senlng in Tribal Areas money assistance introduced in 1981-82 for the rehabilitation of sick units in order to 3225. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the avoid industrial sickness in the small scale Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased sector; to state: (b) the number of small scale sick unit~, . (a) Whether the postal staft' serving in State-wiset rehabilitated under this scheme; tnbaJ areas are entitled to compensatory allo- and wance ; and (c) whether the operational problems in (b) if not, the reasons therefor? implementing this programme as has been pointed out in the Mid-term Appraisal of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Sixth Five Year Plan (page-58) have been MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS solved and if so, the results thereof? (SHRI RAM NJWAS MIRDHA): (a) and (b) Posta] staff serving in specified tribal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE areas of Gujarat and Andhra Pradesh States MINISTRY OF lNDUSTRY AND COM- are entitled to compensatory allowance and PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARJF MOHAM- in this respect they are governed by the MAD KHAN): (a) The margin money orders issued by the Ministry of Finance scheme envisages loan to the State Govern- from time to time. ment on matching basis (50:50) and the Linking of Barmer and Jaisalmer District money is released by the State Government of Rajasthan 'tlith Delhi 8y S.T.D. to the smaJJ scale enterprises on the recom- mendations of the State Level Committee 3226. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: for Sick Units The quantum of loan per Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS unit ranges between Rs. 1000/- to Rs. be pleased to sta te : 20,000/- and is applicable to the units regis- tered as small scale unit in the preceding (a) whether the border districts of Bar- seven years. mer and laisalmer of Rajasthan do not have direct telephonic facilities with Delhi; (b) and (c). Since the scheme has come into operation recently it is difficult to (b) whether there is any proposal to link assess its impact, operational problems as district headquarters of BaJmer and Jaisalmer well as the number of units rehabilitated. with Delhi by STD ; and Concessions for Opening of Post Offices (c) if so, the details thereof and the time and Sub Post OtBces in Trlba I Areas by which the facilities will be available? 3224. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS to state the concessions given to tribal areas (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes for opening branch post offices and sub Sir. They don't have. post offices ? (b) Yes Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB (b) Subscriber Trunk Dialling to Barmer MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI and laisalmer towns are planned to be provid.. 143 APklL 16. 1~8S 144 ed by linkinl to these stations to Jodhpur ('I) Section 7 or the Official Lanauaael Trunk Automatic: E)lchange during 7th Plan Act, J 963 may be so amended period. that it may not be necessary that a Judgement. Decree or Order Meeting of Hindi Advisory COIIIIIII t1ee delivered or passed by any High Court in Hindi should accompany 3227. SHRI KRlSHAN PRA TAP its Enalish Translation except SINGH: Will the Minister of LAW AND when demanded by the concerned JUSTICE be pleased to state: party for specifi~ purposes. (a) the number of meetings of Hindi Advisory Committee of the Ministry held (vi) Writing and publication of oritdnal duril1l 1984 ; books in Hindi on legal subjects may be accelerated. (b) the resolutions passed in these meet .. ings ; and (vii) Exhibitions of legal literature published in Hindi may be (c) the details in regard to the implem .. arranged. entation of these resolutions 1 (viii) Financial ac;sistance may be pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE vided to voluntary organisations M(NISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE for propagation of Hindi and (SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ): (a) to other Indian Language in the (c). A statement givmg the detailed infor· field of law. mation regarding the meetings of Hindi Advisory Committee held in 1984. the recom· mendation made by it and its implementa· (IX) A comrilation of basic termino- tion is laid on the Table of the House. logy used in the Conc;titution of India in variouc; Indian LRnguagcs Statement may be publi~hed. (a) During 1984, three meetings of the (x) Hindi version of the Constitution Hindi Advisory Committee were held of India may be declared by law on 3.3. 1984, 26.6.84 and 25.9.84. to be its authorised text. (b) The functions of Hindi Advisory (c) The details in regard to the irnple· Committee are to give advice and mentation of each of the above make recommenda Hons for the pro- recommendation are as follows: gressive use of Hindi in the field of law. The main recommendations made (1) 300 pages of International docu- by the Hindi Advisory Committee ments have been translated and it during 1984 are as follows :- is proposed to complete the task. by 1986. (i) International Documents may be translated into Hindi. (ii) No action could be taken because of the ba n imposed to hold a (ii) Officers' Cadre of the Officia Meeting of the Minister for Law Languages Wmg may be aug- and Justice and Minister for Home mented. Affairs in this reaard. (iii) The Officers of the Official Langu- ages Winl and Vidhi Sahitya (iii) The matter is being pursued. Prakashan may be included in Jodian Legal Service. \iv) A sub-committee bas been formed (iv) Publication of Uchcha Nyayalaya to take necessary steps. The Nirnaya Patrika and Ucbchatam Government have decided to Nyayalaya Nimaya Patrika may entrust printing of Patrikas to be accelerated so as to bring them Private Presses also to accelerate up- to-date. their publication. "'rltt~ ~~ , CHAIT~ ~ l"~' (~AKA) '146 (v) NlQOIsaeyj steps are 'bekt& taken Prhate C... ,...... 'I'rodaefn, Defence in this reaard. . ' , M .....s (vi) A Conference or Dean'S and Pro .. 3229 .. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN: fessors of Law was held In Will the Minister of DEFENCE ~ pleased September, 1984 to identify the to state ~ problem~ etc. and it bas, been decided to evolve a new scbeme (a) whether some private companies to ~lerate writina and publica- are producing defence materiaJs such as spare tjon of original books in Hindi 011 parts of Tank, Machine Guo, different bar- leaa I suiUects. reb etc; (vii) Several exhibitions were organised (b) if ~o, the names of companies sup- in 1984 and it is scheduled to plying defence materials to Government; hold more exhibitions in different parts of the country in the (c) whether any surprise check is made ~urrent year. to maintain the quality or materials suppHed to defence; and (viii) A scheme has since been Inpared foc this purpose. (d) if S07 the details thereof' (~J;) The Compilation has been made THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI and is under printing.. P. V. NARAS1MHA RAO) : (a) Yes, Sir. (x) Opinion of the Attorney General (b) Purchases are made from a very of India has been obtained and it large number of firms by various purchase is under the consideration of the agencies.. Collection and computation of Ministry of Home Aft'airs .. this information would be a very voluminous and tim.e consuming task and very difficult. Taldna '0". of _ts of lJoioa c.bide Lilllited (c) and {d). Regu1ar as ~'1 as surprise checks are carried out by inspectors of Ins- l21~ SHRl RAM BUAGAT PASWAN : pection Agencies of the Ministry of Defenoe Win the Ministel' of INDUSTRY AND to CIlSure quality of stores supplied~ (_'OMPAN¥ AFFAJRS be pJ.eased to :state: Utilisation or Surplus Natural Gas (a) wnether Government J)fOPcmc to take A.ilable from Bombay High ()ver aU tbe uniti of Union Carbidlt Limited located in India, if i~ details tltereof; aad 32.30 SHill PRATAP BHANU SHARMA ~ Will tbe Minister of PETRO- (b) if aot.. tile reasons thtteof ~ LEUM be pleasccl to stat-e : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether G..)vcrnment have worked MJNISTRY OF INUUSTR Y AND COM- out a c~a~ll programme for surptus natur,,1 "ANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARJf MOHAM- @.as avajtabte from Bornbay High Area for MAD KHAN): (a) No, Sir.. LPG purpos~ (b) In terms of the provfsicns of the (b) if so, the deutib thereof; -and Industries (Development .and Regulation) Act, 1951, maaagement of an icdusuial under~ (c) the effective steps taken in ~hjs takina can be taken OYU under conditicni matter '! 'Specified in ~tjons 18 A and 1& AA ()f the Act. Operations of .... 8'1'1<*5 undertd.ings 0( THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE UniOft Carbide in India do not 'iatisfy these MINISTRY Of PETROLEUM (SHRI 'Cortditioos rOl" t.tceio(JllVel' ~ manapment by NAVAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to One LPG ~tractioo QDit is in operation AND COMPANY APFAIR.8'" pleased to at Uran in Mabarashtra. Two more LPG state : units, one in Uran and another in Hazira in Gujarat. are under implemantatlon. (a> whether there bas been dearth of trained personnel in the cement industry; Settlna ap of Sulphuric Acid Plant at AmJbore In Bihar (b) if so, the efforts made by Govern- ment to provide adequate training facilities 3231. SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: in order to cope with the situation; and Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state : (c) the details thereof'? (a> whether there are large reserves of proved category of pyrites in Amjhore area of Bihar; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- (b) whether Amjhore pyrites mines had PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- been developed as captive min~s for supply- MAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. ing pyrites to Sindri Fertilizers Plant; and (c) whether in view of the above (b) and (c). The National Council for Government contemplate setting up a su]- Cement and Building Materials (Formerly phuric acid plant and an integrated fertilizer known as Cement Research Institute of plant at Amjhore to utilise the large reserves India) has established a Centre for Conti- of pyrites available in Amjhore and to meet nuing Education at its Ballabgarh Unit under the shortage of fertilizer experienced in the its man power development programme and country? has been offering intensive training facilities on a contmuous basis, by organising indus- THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS try-oriented long-tenn and short-term train- AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY ing courses. So, far, about 137 courses have AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRf betn conducted and about 3700 professionals. VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. The from cement industry have benefited by deposit has about 300 million tonnes attending these courses. A Man Power (40% 'S') of Pyrites and 1500 million tonnes AdVisory Committee has also been set up by of pyrites ferrous shale. the National Council for Cement and Build- (b) and (c). MIs Pyrites, Phosphate and ing Materials for evolving suitable strategies Chemicals Limited (PPCL) developed the at the National level in this regard. mining project Amjhore for captively supply- .ina acid grade pyrites to tbe sulphuric acid Cement Corporation of India (CCI) has. P'itnt at S indri of the Fertilizer Corporation also set up a training institute in its Naya· of India Limited (FCI). However, due to pon cement factory to train persons as. the techno1osical problems, the Sindri suI· Executive trainees, Management trainees, phuric acid plant was shut down in 1982. In Foreman trainees and Operative trainees, View of this MIs PPCL have proposed the as well as training and development of exist- _in. up of a 240 tpd sulphuric acid plant ting personnel to keep them abreast of new Met 625 tpd SSP at Amjhore at an estimated technological chan.,s. So far, the Corpo- GIIi\ of around RI. 4S crores. Apart from ration has trained 340 personn("l in these the U&e of pyrites for the production of disciplines. In addition, the Corporation sulphuric acid. tbe company has established has oraanised various in-house proarammes the use of low arade pyrites (22% sulpbur) as for development of its employees. soil arnc=ndment material to reclaim alkaline soils in the States of Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. Besides the above, Messrs AlSOCiatc4 Cement Companies Ltd.. operatq in the Tralalaa FatUities for Persoaael •• Private Sector have also established traininl Cement Iadaltry facilities at two of their cement factories for impartioa trainin, to operatives aDd allo 3212. SHIUMATI JAY ANTI PAT· supervisory pcrsooDcl in the various 4il- NAIK : WiD tbe Minilte$ of INDUSTRY c:ipliocs. 149 1$0 f'fIIdIap of s..ey eoadacted to lad ..t LI_ Stone In Gular_t "'re._t of ea. cY ...... 3234. SHR.I AMARSINH lRATHAWA : 321J .. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleas- Will the Minister of IN DUSTR. Y AND ed to state: COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) the annual requirement gas cylinders (a) whether any survey has been con- or by the oil companies in the country; ducted to find out lime stone in Gujarat for the manufacture of cement; (b) the present policy of purchasing gas cylinders by the oil companies; , (b) if so, the finding and the steps beina taken to establish cement factory in those areas; (c) whether their requirement is beinl met; (c) whether Government have received so, when there scaricty of any new applications for setting up mini (d) if is no gas in the country and there is no shortage cement plants in Gujarat; and of gas cylinders. the reasons for the outstan- (d) if so, the number of such applica- ding waiting list of the consumers in the tions and the action taken by Government country; and to clear these applications? (e) the steps i:'eing taking to clear the out· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE standing waiting list of the consumers in the MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- country ? PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). Compilation THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of geological data by the National Councit MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI {or Cement and Building Materials (for- NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) merly Cement Research Institute) has reveal- Approximately SO lakhs. ed estimated availability of limestone reserves in Gujarat as follows: (b) Purchases of cylinders by the oil com- panies at present are being made under the ~easure reserves 90 million tonnes policy of tenders and supplie~ are being received under existing contracts. Indicated reserves 57 million tonnes (c) Yes, Sir. Inferred and Identified reserves - 10067 million tonnes (d) and (e). Release of new connections is contingent also upon bottling capacity. trans- At present. cement factories accounting for portation facilities and other infrastructure.. a total capacity of 3.3 million tonnes are Schemes are under implementation to augu- in production. In addition, approvals have ment these capacities and facilities, besides been accorded for setting up ad~itional increasing the indigenous production of LPG. capacity of the order of 4.2 million tonnes in (iujarat. [Trans/ation} (c) and (d). During the past 12 months Steps taken for cheap aod spee4y justice S applications for grant of industrial licences .and 7 appiicatiol1s for registration with 3235. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA Directorate General of Technical Develop- Will the Minister C'f LAW AND JUSTICE be ment for setting up mini cement plants in pleased to state ; the State of Gujarat were receiYed. Of the applications for grant of industrial )icences, (a) whether Government prop0M! to take 2 have been approved and 1 were rejected. effective steps 10 ensure cheap, easY and The remaining 1 application is being speedy justice and saie,&uardin& of funda- processed. pr the 7 applications for DGTD mental buman rights at the hands of able. reaistration, 1 bas been registered and the indopendent and proarcssive judiciary in the rest rdected. country; lSI APJUL 16, t 91! 152 (b) whether Government propose to amend (5) The Supre.me Court' r~Je, h~ve beeD laws for achieving the aforesaid objectives amended to vest more powers in tbe Reaistrars and if so, ~he details of laws to be amended and Jud&es in Chambers so that the time of for the purpose; and the Court is Dot wasted in petty misc:ellaneoug matters. (c) the time by which it is proposed to be done? (6) The Supreme Court has abo taken the following measures : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI d) Priority is gi~en to certain H. R. BHARADWAJ): (a) Government is matters; in favour of taking effective steps to ensure cheap, easy and speedy justice and effective (ij) Miscellaneous matters are fixed enforcement of fundamental human right. The steps taken to reduce pendency in the Supreme (iii) Writ daily petitions with identical Court and High Courts are given in the questions are grouped together attached Statement. The Government have and batches running from 50 to also constituted a Committee for Implementing ] 00 matters are listed together Legal Aid Schemes under the Chairmanship for hearing; of Shri Justice P. N. Bhagwati, a sitting judge of the Supreme Court. (iv) Other matters involving identical questions are also identified from (b) and (c). The Code of Criminal time to time and put together and Procedure was enaeted in 1973 and the Code efforts are made to see that such of Civil Procedure, 1908 was comprehensively groups are dbposed of early; amended in 1976 with a view to simplify the procedural laws. The reform of judicial pro- (v) The Supreme Courts Rules were cedure is a continuing process. revised in 1966 providing for printing of records under its own supervision. As that was aJ~o Statement taking quite some time the court of late has started wherever Steps taken from time to time possibJe dispensing with the to reduce pendency preparation of records and bear- ing the appeals on special leave The following steps have been taken in paper-book itself after the parties recent years to reduce pendency in Supreme have filed their counter-affidavits Court and High Courts; and affidavits in reply. (1) The Code of Civil Procedure was (7) Apart from the above, certain High amended in 1976 to abolish Letters Patent Courts are taking the following steps for Appe81s from judgment of Single judge of the ensuring better disposal of cases : Hish Court in second appeal (Vide Section lOOA). (a) Cases involving common question are being grouped by several High (2) The Code of Criminal Procedure Courts. based on the recommendations of the Law Commission was enacted in 1973. (b) Matters fixed for hearina by giving short returnable dates. (3) The Judie strength of the Supreme Court has been raised from 13 to 17 exclu- (e) Dispensing with prilltina of records. ding the chief Justice with effect from 31.12. 77 by amend ina the Supreme Court (Number (d) Expediting and givina priorit)' to of Judges) Act, 1956. matters under certain Acts. . (4) The sanctioned streftlth of ahe High (8) The Go\'ernment have also addressed Court Judges has been increased from 3S1 in the Chief Ministers of States and Chief March, 1977 to 424 OD 1st April, 1985. Justices of High Courts in which there is a li3 CHA1TI.A 2&, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltt", Ml8wlfl 154 heavy pcmdency of civil cases over 5 yean' old to Gamine the problem of arrears in Higb to consider appointment of retired judps Courts and sugest remedial measures. under Arti~le 224A of the Coftstitutibn. Fadlitlel to .8n seale entrepreneurs In (9) The recommendations contained in the Ba.tar ... Jllabaa 'D Madbya Pradesh 75th and 79th Report of the Law Commis- sion have been examined. As action on 3236. SHRI DILEEP SINOH BHURIA : majority of the recommendation is to be taken Will the Minister of INDUSTR Y AND by the State Governments and High Courts, COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: these bave been sent to them along with the views of the Union Government and they have (a) whether any financial assistance or been requested to take nec~ssary action. other facilities have been provided to sman scale entrepreneurs in the tribal districts of (10) The Government have also appointed Bastar and Jhabua in Madhya Pradesh by the Law Commission (lOth Law Commission) to National Small Industries Corporation Ltd; keep under review the system of judicial and administration in the country. Among the terms of reference of the Law Commission (b) if so, the details thereof? are: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) To keep under review the system of MINISTRY OF lNDUSTRY AND Judicial administration to ensure that COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF. it is responsive to the reasonable MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). In the demaads of the time and in particular tribal district of Bastar, 49 machines valued to secure; at Rs. 7.27 lakhs have so far been supplied by National Small Industries Corporation to (i) elimination of delays, speedy 23 smalJ scale entrepreneurs, under their Hire- clearance of arrears reduction of Purchase Scheme on concessionaJ rate of costs so as to secure quick and interest, earnest money and service charges. economical disposal of cases with- However, no assistance has so far been out affecting the cardinal principle extended to the srnalJ scaJe entrepreneurs in that decisions should be just and the tribal district of Jhabua. fair; Price or oil engine and electric motors (ii) simplification of procedue to reduce and eliminate technicalities 3237. SHRl DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : and devices for delay so that it Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND operates not as an end in itself COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: but as a means of achieving jus- tice; and (a) the production cost of five and ten H.P. oil engines and electric motors manu- (iii) improvement of standards of all factured by indigenous companies; concerned with the administration of justice. (b) the prices at which these oil engines and electric motors are distributed to farmers (b) To revise the Central Acts of general under bank loans programmes; importance so as to, simplify them and to remove anomalies, ambiquities and (c) the difference between production cost inequities. and sale price; and (c) To recommend to the Government (d) whether Government propose to fix measures for bringing the statute book distribution price of these items ? up-to-date by repealing obsolete laws and enactments or parts th~reor which THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have outlived their utility. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- PANY AFFA1RS (SHRI ARIP MOHAM- (l J) The Government have constituted MAD KHAN) : (a) to (d). The cost of pro- an informal Committee of theJ:e Chief Justices duction of five and ten H.P. oil engines and Written AMWerI APIUL 16, 1985 Writ • ...", 156 electric motors manufactured by indipaous 1. Jhaosi 40 companies varies from manufacturer to manufacturer dependinl upon the technology 8. Lucknow IS79 adopted and otUt parameters of production. 9. Moradabad Since there is DO price or distribution control 660 on these products, the prices charged are fixed 10. Meerut 4S63 by the manufacturers! wholesale dealen/retail dealers. A t present there is no proposal to 11. Muzaff'amasar 6SO fix distribution prices of these items. 12. Mathur. 273 Waltb. Lists for DeW Telephones In Major Cities UDder Luc:kaotr Telepboae elrele 13. Noida 3293 3238. SHRf HARISH RAW AT: Will 14. Saharan pur 778 the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be placsed to state : IS. Varanasi 2653 16. GO'rakhpur 295 (a) the number of persons in the waiting lists for telephones pertaining to each of the major cities under the Lucknow telephone 'Circle; and (b) tbe time by which telephone connec- Pilgrim Allowance to P&T Employees tions will be provided to these persons in the 'Waiting lists? 3240. SHRI CHINT A MOHAN: Will the Min,ster of COMMUNICATIONS be THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pleased to state : MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) The (a) whether Government are paying any number of persons on wa it ing lists in major pilgrim allowance to the P&T employees; if cities of U.P. Telecom. Cirel! is as per so, the details thereof; and attAched statement. (b) whether similar allowance is paid for (b) The telephone connections are likely Tirupati; if not, the reasons thereof? to be provided to these persons in the exis- tina waiting Jists progressively by 1990, sub- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ject to availability of equipment, ,:abies and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS other r~sources. (SHRf RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No, Sir. StatemeDt (b) Does not arise. BHEL'. seeond unit In AncIItra Pradesh during Se'Veoth Plan Sl.No. City Waiting Jist. 3241. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN ~ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM .. 1. Allahabad 1237 PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 2. Aara 3283 (a) whether there is any proposal to start Bharat Heavy Electricats Limited's second 3. Aligarb 469 unit in Andbra Pradesh during Seventh Plan and if 80, full details thereof; and 4. BareiUy 576 (b) whether there is any proposal to start 5. Dohradud 960 tbe above Unit at Tirupathi as it is one of the most backward areal of Ra),alaseema in 6. Forozabad 104 Andhra Pradesh ? 157 CHAiTRA 26. 1907 (SAKA) Wrltt. Aluwe" 158 THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE Statement Sl.No. Name of the State Number of villages 1 2 3 1. Andhra Pradesh 12539 2. Bihar 58641 3. DeJhi 30 4. Oujarat 10457 5. Diu. Daman Dadra and Naaarhaveli. 55 6. Jammu and Kashmir. 5205 159 Written ~r$ APRIL 16, 198$ Wr11l411 AM"'I '1-60 J " 3 7. Kerala including Lakshadweep and Mahe. 2 8. Karnataka 18S78 9. Madbya Pradesh 67006 )0. Maharashtra 25266 ]1. Goa 178 12. Assam 19108 J3. AllIll8Chal Pradesh 273S 14. Mauipur 1401 15. Meghalaya 4499 16 .. Mizoram 492 17. Naaaland 201 18. Tripura 4181 19. Punjab and Union Territory Charkiiprb~ 8906 10. Haryana 4576 21. Himachal Pradesb 14569 22, Orissa 43898 23 .. Rajasthan 26157 24. Tamilnadu 6640 25. Ponciicberry 167 26. Uttar Pradesh 96242 27. West Denaal 30972 28. S.kkim 286 29. Andaman and Ni<:obat Island 324 Causes of loss to Scooters ladi. Ltd. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY Of IND1JSTRY AND COM .. 3244. SHRI1tAM BAHADUR SINGH: PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- Will the Mini Iter C)f INDtJSTR Y AND MAD KHAN) : (a) The maip ~aUiCS of ~OMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased \0 state: lOltses "r ~ooters India Ltd. arc: as foHowh : (a) the main cause! of 'he Scooter India (1) Prodtlction constrail11s rcsulllOS 10 Limited ruDnina into loss; an" klw capacity utilisation; (b) th. offortt made '0 minimise t,e (2) Consumer preferen" for other IoS& 1 makes 01 &ooiers; Writ_·~ CHAITR.A. 26.1907 (SAKA) 162 (3) Strained industrial relatlons; and (e) Does not arise. (4) Poor liquidity due to contilluina losses. Foreip braad Dames for intemal .1eI ~ (b) : (i) changes in top management resulting 3247.. SHRl INDRAJIT GUPTA in improved producti ... ity and effi- SUR! D.P. JADEJA ; ciency; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIR.S be pleased to state : (ii) Introduction of a new model -Vijay StJt)er Mark II' having improved fuel efficiency; (a) whether it has been decided to permit foreign brand names liberally for internal sales; (iii) Government lC'8ns to improve liquidity; (b) if no~ what are the criteria for (iv) Company has secured an order for giving such permission; export of 101000 three wheelers to Bangladesh. (c) whether MIs. Godfrey Philip has been pennitted to introduce its "Chester fieJd H brand of cigarettes sale in India; Production and Distribution of for PVC Resin and (d) if so, what technological or economic 324S. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH: benefits it will bring to the country? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- (a) whether the Indian Petrochemicals PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- Corporation Limited has started productiun MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). As per Foreign of PVC Resin; Collaboratio'1 Policy, foreign brand names are not ordmarily allowed for use on the (b) if so, the deta iJs of the productiun of products for internal sales. although there is PVC Resin of various grades by IPCl; no objection to their U~e on products to be exported. A condition to this effect is being (c) whether the distribution of PVC incorporated in all approvals for foreign Resin to actual users has been started; collaborations. (d) if so, the details in this regard; and (c) and (d). Godphrey Phillips have not taken Governmenfs permission for introduc- (e) in case the production and distri- ing the foreign brand name . Chesterfield' bution of PVC Resin has not yet commenced cigarettes in India. by IPCL, the reasons for delay and when the production and distribution of it to actual Supply of Petroleum. oil and Lubri- users is likely to commence? cations in Mizoram THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 3248. SHRI LAL DUHOMA: Will the MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b). state : Yes, Sir. Till March 1985, about 9645 MTs of PVC R.esin has been produced. (a) whether normal activi ties are often affected by the scarcity of Petroleum, Oil (c) Yes, Sir. and lubricants in the North East regions, particularly in Mizoram due to irregular and (0) About 700 actual users have DeeD delayed supply of Petroleum, Oil and Lubn· lervic:cd duriog 1984-85.. can" allotments; (b) if 50, the reasGn$ theJ:eot and a=me- by ftoods/1andllide~ olc. ~aI measures. dial measures taken; and are taken by Oil Industry to tbe extent feasible ill conjunction with &ai1ways too (c) the total PttroTeum, Oil and Lubri- expedite mOl'ement or supplies by R.ail and cants allotment per month in figures of also by orpnisinl road movements. Petroleum, Oil and Lubricants lifted per month between ~mber 1984 and February Apart (rem kerosene oil,. other .,etroleum 1985 ? products like motor spirit and HSV as well as lubricants are not subject to any system THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of allocations and the demand is met in MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI fuH. Particulars of the aU.cation and sales NAWAL KISHOJlE SHARMA): (8) to (c). of kerosene oil and of tbe sa~& 01 HSD and Supplies of petroleum products ba\'e been MS between December, 1984 to February. genera1ly adequate and regular in the North- 1985 are giv.en in tbe attached statement. EaSlern ReBion. Occasional shortages in some areas do occur owing to transportation No data regarding sale of LubricaAts is problems which sometimes set compounded a.vailable. ·., 1Ffi"...... ClIAlTaA. '2&. 19f17 (5J\KA) ".",.,. ....,.,. •• II' 00 ~ i i i N ~ ~ ('II ! § ("II il'C ~ J C":) 0 ~ -.~ ~ .-n -n Q 0 0 0 0 ~ 00 tr) 00 I- l- '&.. ~ 1': ("II ilin i \0 ~ C ~ .OQ .;i • "'" -'" "'" ~ .= 0 C .0 0 l() tr) l- ; In ~ co ~ Jt'd ~ I:"- M l- I- ~ ! III ~ ~ «l I- Got I- ~ 1- ~ 0\ eo 0 0 ~ l- : r-"" 0\ '"~ CO M I- .e ;j - N ~ - - tn t- ..... \C t- $ f"'\ Wo:) j V"I N "" 0\ 0 I- 8 0 i r! r2 m M 0 ~ - - - ~ .... ~ ~ ~ ., co 0\ oo 00 : M ~ r- i .!! IX) ~ 0 0\ ~ - !M CIfl "" ~ M - Q - M ~ f"4 ~ J 0\ \CI ... 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AYYAPU REDDY: Will KANDADI the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pk.ased to state : SHIKARI (a) tbe Dumber of criminal appeals which AUNDHI arc pending disposal for more than seven years in the Supreme Court, as OJl 1 March, Sclaeme to set up ODe 'ndustry eat" 1985; and Jo lddukl and PattaDathitta (b) the number of civil matters pending Districts of Kerala for more than te~ years in tbe Supreme 3251. PROF. P. J. KURIEN : Will the Court? Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AFFAIRS be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (a) whether Government of KeraJa bas (SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) and (b). submitted any s:heme in regard to setting As per information furnished by the Registrar up of one industry each in the Idukki and of the Supreme Court, the number of cri- Pattanathitta Districts of Kerala; and minal appeals which are pendinl for more than seven years is 383 as on 1.3.1985. The (b) if so, the details thereof? number of civil matters (civil appeals and writ petitions for final bearing) which are THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pending for more than 10 years is 2,759. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- Opening of new PoIt Offices in MAD KHAN): (a) and (b). Two applica- Rajnaodgaon District tions were received from Mis. Kerala State Industrial Development Corporation Ltd ... 3250. SHRl SHIVENDRA BAHADUR for the setting up of new undertakings for SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- the manufacture of carbon tetrachloride and CATIONS be pleased to state : copper clad laminates respectively in Idukki. district of Kerala. They were not approved. (a) t1)e number of new Post Offices Open- No schemes have been received for Pattana- ed in the District of Rajnandgaon from 1980 thitta district. to 31 December, 1984; and Dialng of "ells in Godavari Basin (b) the names of the villages where these have been opened ? 3252. SHRI A. J. V. B. MAHESWARA. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE RAO: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS ARAJKUNDN (b) if so, the present position of those- wells; and PATPAR (c) whether the contractins firm has not DHAWASHA completed the above jobs nor have tbey SEONI Wldertaken further prospcctina in the basin ? DOKLA THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MJNISTR. Y OF PETROLEUM (SHill DOHS NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, 81, Wrill• ..4Ir.fWm CHAITItA 26, 1907 (SAKA) 170 (b) Kunavaram (Amalapuram) well pleased to state : where minor las shows were observed has been abandoned as they were of no com- (a) the number and location or oil refine- mercial interest. Bhimanapalli well which ries fu~tioninl in India, with their annual flowed gas at the rate of 27300 cubic matters capacity; (approximately) has been seaJed after com .. pletion of testing. Further allllcssment we lis (b) whether it is a fact that these are not will be drilled after interpretation of the meeting the demand of the country; resu Its obtained. (c) if so. whether Government are con- (c) The jobs were done by ONOC. sidering to establish more oil refineries in the country; Setting up of Cement Plaut at JeyJHll' Orissa (d) if so. the details thereof; and 32S3. SHRI SOMN"TH RATH : (e) the steps being taken to expand the SHRI K. PRADHANI : existing refineries to increase their pro- Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND duction ? COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whetber Government have a proposal MINJSTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI to set up a cement plant at Jeypur in Koraput NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (8) A District of Orissa; and statement indicating the number and location of oil refineries functioning in India and their (b) if so, when the proposal is expected annual capacity is attached. to be implemented 7 (b) Though the refining capacity is more THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE than the total demand. they are not meeting MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- fully the demand of certain products. PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- MAD KHAN) : (b) Does oot arise .. (d) and (e). Goverment have approved the settmg up of a six million tonnes per 011 reftueries and their production annum refinery at Karnal in Haryana and are examining the setting up of the another grass· 3254. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL root refinery and expansion of the existing Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be refineries. Statement (in million metric tonnes) SI. No. Name of Refinery and Location Installed capacity as on 1.4.1985 1 2 3 1. Bbarat Petroleum Corporation Ltd., Bombay 6.00 2. Hindustan Petroleum Corporation Ltd., Bombay 3.50 3. Cocbill R.ofioeties Ltd. Cochi n 4.50 4. Hindu8tan Petroleum Corporation Ltd. Visakbapatoam 4.50 S. M ..., 1\efineries Ltd. Mad1u 5..60 171 Wrltt~n Amwerl AfIlIL 16. 1985 Wrltt. AluM"'" l~~ 1 2 3 6. Bongaigaon Refinery and Petrochemicals Ltd. Bongaigaon (Assam) 1.00 7. Indian Oil Corporation Ltd., Haldia 2.50 8. Indian Oil Corporation Ltd., Barauni 3.30 9. Indian Oil Corporation Ltd., Oauhati (Assam) 0.8S 10. Indian Oil Corporation Ltd. Digboi (Assam) 0.50 11. Indian Oil Corporation Ltd. KoyaJi 7.30 12. Indian Oil Corporation Ltd. Mathura 6.00 --- 45.55 --- Opening of New Post Oftkes and Telegraph are laid on the 1able of the. House (Placed in OfBces in Adivasl Areas in Gujarat. Library, See No L T 940/85) 3255. SHRI MOHAN BHAI PATEL: (c) No demand in this respect was recei- Wi11 the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS ved from the Government of Gujarat. be pleased to state : (d) Does not arise. (a) the number of new post Offices and telegraph Offices opened in the rural areas Automatisation of Telephone and particularly in Adivasi areas of the country Telecom. Circles Exchanges during the year 1984-MS, and particularly 3256. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR· in Gujarat; ASHAR: Will the Manister of COMMUNI· CATIONS be pleased to state : (b) the Government's policy for opening of new Post Offices and telegraph offices in (a) whether any programme for speedy the country during the year 1985·86; automatisation of telephone exchanges has been drawn up for North·West and other (c) whether Government have received Telecom. Cir~le in the country ; any demand from Government of Gujarat in t"i~ respect; and (b) if so, the details thereof including the target dates by which all district headquarters (d) if so, the details thereof 1 in the country would be provided with automatic telephone exchanges (MAX-Il) ; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (~) whether any delay has been envisa- , (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) ged in view of acute shortage of equipment 29 Post Offices and 180 telegraph offices were or trained staff; and opened in the rural adivasi areas of the country during the year 1984·83, out of (d) if so, the steps taken by Government wbich one Post Office was opened in GUJarat. to eliminate delay and ensure speedy automa- No Telegraph Office was opened in Gujarat. tisation 1 (b) Norms for opening of rural Post THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Offices and te!earaph offices durina 1985-86 MINISTR.Y OF COMMUNICATIONS WW,,,,, MIIWr. CHAlTllA 26, 1907 (SAltA) 174 (a) Whether tbe oil companies have, Legal Aid pro'ficled to SC/ST in raised the pnces of their products afler the Madhya Pradesh impositIon of the fresh budgetary levies; 3263. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI : Will (b) if so, whether the increase is only as the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be much as the additional levy proposed in the pleased to stale: budget; and (a) whether legal a id scheme sponsored (c) if not, how much more is beina by Union Government has been started in charged and the reasons for chargtn& more? Madhya Pradesh ; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) if so, since when and the number of MINISfRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI poor pepple belonging to Scheduled Castes, NAWAL KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, SIr. Scheduled Tribes and other weaker sections of the society in Madhya Pradesh have been (b) and I c). Increases in the prices of petro- given legal aid; and leum products were ordered to take care not only of tbe levy of customs duty and increase (c) the details of leaat aid so provided? in auxiliary duty on crude oil but also of tHE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE exchange rate variahons, increases in costs MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE of exploration and refining of crude oil and (SHRl H. R. BHARADWAJ): (a) to the marketing of petroleum products. (c). The legal aid scheme in Madhya Pradesh is governed by the provi,ions of the Theft of Valuable Registered Letters "Madhya Pradesh SaIMj Ke Kamjor Va-raon 3262. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Win Keliye Vidhik Sahayata Tatha Vidhik Salah the Minister of COMMUNICATION be Adhiniyam, 1976". (No. 26 of 1976). The pleased to state : Leaal Aid Scheme was brought into force ill 1 S Districts of the State on 6th May, 1976. (a~ whether attention of Government In the remaining 30 Districts of the State, baa been drawn to the news-item captioned the Act was bro"lht inte force on 1'5~8.19'7'6. ub&ilteri Cbori K.a Mamta Pakra Ek A statement teIIlfdina the Legal ~i4 and Postman Ndambit" (A case of theft of Advice and Assistance given to Scheduled registered letters detected; one postman Castes, Scheduled Tribes and other weaker suspended lPpeared) in tho 'Navjyoti' Jaipur sections of society in Madbya Pradesh is of 24 March, 1985 ; attached. 177 .'8 Type ttt LeaaJ Aid Scheduled Scheduled General caste Tribe Category Leaal Aid 1187 7341 11373 Legal Advice 24974 19622 31245 Lesal Assistance 6066 6263 5914 CoIr Industry of Kerala soaking and financial assistance for the purchase of crushers for this 3264. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the purpose is now available under the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY centrally sponsored scheme for the AFFAIRS be pleased to state : cooperativisation of the coir industry; (a) wt,ether Government are aware that 3. Cash compensatory support for COiT th~ COiT industry in Kerala has been passing products exported has been extended through a seriou~ crisis due to fall in exports upto 31.12.1985; and sluggishness in the internal market; 4. Trade delegations visited important (b) whether Government have received potential markets in the Europea.n any proposal from Government of Kerala or countries; from any other parties clmcerned with this; and 5. A work -shop on coir was organised recently by the Coir Board under (c) if so, the steps Goverment propose to the Indo-EEC Trade Promoti<,n Pro- take or have taken to save the industry from gramme in whicb delegates rcpresen ~ peril ? ting major importing countries also pa rt icipated and discussed \ ~\riOllS THE MINISTFR OF STATE IN THE problems relating to export: MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF .MOMAM- 6. The Coir Board is participating in MAD KHAN) : (a) to (C). The Coir Indus- important Fairs/Fxhlbitions in and try in Kerala has betn passing through a aboard to popularise coil' ~nd c(.)ir difficult periOd mainly on ac¢ount of ,the products; and impact of drought in 'he earlier years, QOCO- flut wi-It diSOlSC and decline in exports due to 7. The Coir Board is running 17 show- competition from synthetic substitutes and rooms in various parts of the coun- recession in the West Europe. try to poputarise the coir products and the sales of these ~h()w·rt)(.)m~ A number of steps have been taken to have been rising from year to overcome some of these problems which, year. antong other things. include: Payment of wages to telephone 1. Kerala Government has liberalised operators the restriction on the movement of hUlk so that the husk moves from 3265. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR YADAV: surplus areas t"? deficit areas; Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to I state : 2. Tho Coir Board has developed a technique for reducinl, tbe reuing (At) Whe&.bCf there is a afeat difference peri~ by crusbm, the busk before between the walJCS paid to reauLar tcJcphone 179 APRlL 16. 1985 110 operators and Reserved Trainina Pool (RTP) units in respect of whom Letters of Intentl Telephone ()pcrators in Bombay Telephones; Industrial Licences had been issued for loca- tions in West Bengal, requested for cbange (b) if so, the details of the comparative of location from West Bengal to other States wages of these Operators; and the reasons during the period 1982 to 1984. Two of therefor; and these are stiJl under consideration, three were rejected while two were acceded to mainly on (c) whether Government have any pro- tbe recommendations of the State Govern- posal to take steps to remove this disparity ? ments/Administrative Ministry IDepartmfnt~ concerned due to techno-economic and other THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE considerations. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. The difference is due to the increase in Central Subsidy to ladustrles In DAJADA rates of regularly paid Telephone Nalgonda District (Andhra Pradesh) Operators subsequent to fixing the wages. 3267. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: (b) The hourly wages of au RTP Opera- Will the M mister of INDUSTRY AND tor is Rs. 2.75 which was fixed in August, COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to 1982. Whereas the monthly wages of a state: regular operator at that time was Rs. S65 /- excluding HRA/CCA which works out to (a) whether the central subsidy is avail- approximately Rs. 2.7u/- per hour. Hence it able to industries in Nalgonda District or is clear that at the time of fixation the differ- part thereof; ence in wages was very marginal since HRA/ CCA was not included. (b) if so, the names of the talukas; (c) The question of revision of rate of R TP staff is under consideration. (c) whether Government are considering to extend the facility to the talukas of Compaaies based in West Bengal Nalgonda; and Seeking Lieeuees to set up Indus- tries in other States (d) whether Government are planning an industry in Nalgonda as part of the program- 3266. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN : Will me of one industry in every district and if the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM- so, the details of the industry to be started PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state; there? (a) whether Government have informa- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion about companies based in We!tt Bengal MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- seeking/obtaining letters of intent/industrial PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- licences for setting up new industries or expan- MAD KHAN) : (8) to (c). Yes, Sir, except ding units in other States during the period Miryalaguda block which stands excluded between 1982 to 1984; and from the purview of Central Subsidy as t'he level of investment in that block had excee- (b) if so, the details thereof including the ded Rs. 30.00 crores as on 31.3.1983. number of such companies, the number of such letters 0 f intent and ind ustrial licences, the total investment involved in such letters (d) Setting up of industries in a particu- of intent and industrial I icences and the prin- lar district is primarily the responsibility of clpal causes for such flight of capital from the State Government concerned although West Bengal to other States during the period Central Government supplements their efforts mentioned above? by providing various incentives, concessions etc. Central investments in public sector are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of a basic nature and their location is deter .. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- mined on a variety of techno-economic con- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- siderations. Subject to these considerations MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). Seven industrial preference is given to backward areas. 182 1,1 CHAITU 26.. 1901 (SAKA) La... for .aaufac'" ef .....IU .. (d) the reaction of Government in the matter? 3268. SHRI MOTI LAL SINGH: Wilt the Minister of CHEMICALS AND THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS FER. TUJZERS be pleased to atate : AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIR.S (SHR1 (a) the dates of issue of licences and VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (d). Details detailed reasons for extension given every of Industrial Licences issued for the manu- year individually for th~ manufacture of facture of Ampici1lin/6 APA are given in the Ampicillin and its intermediates in the attached statement. Four of these licences country since the issue of licences; have already been implemented from the initial validity period. The extension in tbe (b) when these units will be in a position validity of industrial licences is granted on to manufacture from basic stages; merits keeping in view the effective steps taken. Where the progress in implementation (c) the steps Government have taken for of industrial licences is inadequate. action is cancellation of licences, where more than two in hand to revoke such licences. years have passed; and Statement Date of Issue of 51. No. Name of the Unit Name of the Bulk drug/l ntermediate lndustrial Licence 4 1 2 3 25.5.1984 1. Mis Max India 6 A.P.A. 18.8.1985 ....., M Is- Pioneer Protter Ampicillin (i) Ampicillin 11.1.1985 3. M/~ Euphoric (ii) 6 A.P.A. (i) Ampicillin 4.11.1976 4. MJs Alembic Chemicals (ii) 6 A.P.A. Ampicillin 30.1.1978 5. MIs I.D.P.L. Ampicillin 14.12.1919 6. Mis H.A.L. Ampicillin 22.12.1978 7. MIs Standard Pharmaceuticals MIs Gujarat Lyka 8. 4.2.1982 Organics Ltd. tl) Ampicillin (ii) 6 A.P.A. Ampicillin Anhydrous! Mis Cadila Labs. 9. Trihydrate 13.1.1983 Ampicillin Trihydrate 14.5.1982 10. MIs Sterling Drugs Ampicillin 17.3.l976 11. MIs Ranbaxy Labs. JI3 APRIL J6, 1.1 184 1Wdta. of .....,., HII .... OU (4) ... not atHe. by Fore IgD Companies (c) No Sir. 3269. SHRI ~MARS1NH RATHAWA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be Delay Ia .."Iy of LPG by p. ..-ere. pleased to state : (a) whether any non-Governmental 3270. SHRI MOTILAL SINGH: Will foreign companies purchased Bombay HiJh the Minister of P£TROLEUM be pleased !o state : crude oil durinl the financial year 1984-8S; (a) whether there is abnormal delay of (b) if so, the quantity of Bombay High nearly 7/ J 0 days in the suppLy of cooking crude sold to each non-Governmental foreign gas cylinders to the people by the various company respective1y during the financial gas agencies in Delhl~ particulurly in trans- year 1984-85; Yamuna and Ashok VIhar areas~ (c) whether this crude oil was sold on (b) if so. the action taken by Government tender basis or on the basis of negotiated to check this delay in supply of cooking gas term contracts; cylinders; (d) if it wa~ sold on the ba,is of negotia- (cl the names of the agencieS in tranfi- ted term contracts, tl-Je name of the non- Yamuna and Ashok Vihar areas, which put Goveranmental foreign companje~ which people to hardship by inordmate d~lay in secured the~e term contracts and the r~pective supp]ying gas cylinder.;: quantities purchased by them; and (d) whether Government propose to give (e) whether there is any specific policy any directive to all the~e gas agencIes to on the part of the Government that governs supply cylinders on the same day when reqllls- the manner in which Bombay High crude is tion is received; and ~'d to non-Governmental foreign companies i. e. whether policy prohibits sale 00 term (e) if not, the rea~ons therefor? eontract balis or not ? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Custo- NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, mers in the trans-Yamuna and Ashok Vihar Sir. ares have Jately been gettmg LPG refill supplies with some delay. ~b) During the period of 1. 4.1984 to 28. 2.1985 Bombay High crude oil was sold to (b) Efforts have been made to augement the following part ies : supplies in these areas, besides release of second cylinders and option to customers to Name of Pllrty Qly. 10 '000' MT pick-up the refill from the distributor on a Coastal 2756 rebate of Re. 1/ - only. Champlin 505 (e, The name, of Indian 011 Corporation's LPG dlstnbutors in the trans-Yamuna and Gulf oil 875 Ashok Vihar areas are ali under- BD. Naft 269 1. Mis. Amar Gas Sen ice. Attock oil ...... 238 2 . M/o;,· 8. N. Gupta and Co. 4642 3. M/~. Nandi Gas Distributors 4. Mis. Sbaheed Subhash, Gas Service. (c) Export of Bombay High crude oil was finalised on the basis of tenders. 5. Mis. Slvanika Ente~. W',tIM ...... \ CHArFItA'16, 1," (IAKA) II' 6. Mis. Supreme Bnterprisa. For the civilian posts, the reservations for Scheduled Castes at 1 S% and for Scheduled 7. Mis. Vij.y Rattan Bnterprises. Tribes at 7 1/2% arc in force. These reserva- tior;& arc bciaa impjemented in accordance 8. Visbal Gb Service. MIs. with ~he existina Rules. 9. MIs. Rajdhani Oas Service. (c) Dose not arise. 10. Mis. J, J. Gas Serviee, [ TrIln&JaJionJ 11. Mis. Delhi State Civil .Supplies Corpn. I~trtal training to "'omen in the ~try (d) Oil Company instructions already 3272. S»Rl~~TI USHA CHOU~ exist that u~er tlprmal circumstances refill DHARI : Will the Minist(fr of INOUSTR. Y supplies should be made within 24 hours. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (e) Dose not arise. (a) the steps taken so far to provide ReservatioD In eXKutive c_re of Industrial training to women in the country; Defence Forces (b) whether Government propose to start new schemes and provide more incentives in 3271. DR. G. NIJAYA RAMA RAO future for setting up more small scale indus- Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased tries; and to state: (c) if so, the outlines and other details (a) the number of Scheduled Castes/ thereof? Scheduled Tribes persons recruited in the executive cadre of tht' Defence Forces inclu- THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS ding the civilian staff. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (b) whether the reservation of 18 percent VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) A scheme for in force bas been fully observed, if not, the providing training to Women Entrepreneurs is reasons thereof; and being implemented by Small Industry Develop- ment Organisation since 1978-79. (c) tbe remedial/corrective steps Govern- ment propose to tak.e to ensure that orders tb) No, Sir. regarding reservation are implemented? (c) Question does not arise. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : ta) and (b). In the "D.:fence Servi",-es" (Arm~d Forces) there is no "Executive Cadre". There are no reser- Manufacture of ampicillin (rom cbe.ieaJ vation for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled grade of 6-APA Tribes in the Armed Forces. 3273. SMRI MOT} LAL SINGH: Will The civilian staff workinl with the the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FEIlTl- Defence Services are classified like all other LIZERS be pleased to state: Central Government servants as follows : (a) whether it is a fact that some of the (i) ut'oop ·A. Ampicillin and its iJlls are manuf8Cft~ in our COl,lntr), from chemical &ra~e pC 6-APA; (b) whelh (c) if so, the stops GOvel'lllMDt have 12.00 ...... taken in the matter; and DR. KRUPASINDHU HHOI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, you must have heard from the Cd) if no steps have been taken, the radio and television yesterday that there is reasons why Government allowed manufatture an accident on railway in my constitueney of Ampicillin from chemical grade of and six people bave died. I have liven a 6-APA? Calling Attention notice .. (Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS MR. SPEAKER: That can be diseus- AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY sed later. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHR} VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) Ampicillin is DR. KRUPSINDHU BHOI: It is my being produced in the country from 6-APA request, Sir • (Interruptions) produced by chemical as well as enzymatic AN HON. MEMBER: Sir. the Rail- processes. way Minister should come out with a state- ment on this .•. (Interruptions) (b) This Ministry is not aware of such reports. MR. SPEAKER: If it cans for a state- ment, it will be coming. No problem. We (c) and (d). Do not arise. will see. [Translation] Proposal for Declaring Ajmer a PAPPRS LAID ON THE TABLE Bakcward District [English] 3274. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the Defenee Service Estimates, 1985-86 and Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY Cantonnent Fund Servants (Amendment) AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Rules, 1984. (8) whether Government have received THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI any proposal from Rajasthan to declare Ajmer P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): I beg to lay a backward area/district; on the TaNe- (1) A copy of the Defence Services (b) if so, the action taken by Govern- Estimates, 1985-86 (Hindi and ment thereon so far; and English versions). (c) by what time Ajmer will be declared (Placed in Library. See No. L.T. 710/85) a backward area/district and if not, the (2) A copy of the Cantonment Fund reasons therefor? Servants (Amendment) Rules, J 984 (Hindi and English versions) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE published in Notification No. SRO MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- S3 in Gazette of India dated the PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF 9th March, 1985, under section 280 MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) No, Sir. of the Cantonment Act, 1924. (b) Does not arise. (Placed in Library. See No. LT 711/85) (c) Ajmer does not fulfil the criteria Detailed Demand. for Grants of the J')rescribed for the identification of the back- MinistrY of Industry and Company Affairs, ward areas. NotJfications UDder Industries (Development and Regulation) Act. 1951. THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- CHAITRA 26, 1987 (SAKA) Pr.'~ntatIDn of P~itlolf 1190 PANY APPAlllS (SHRI AR.IF MOHAM- SHRl K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: This MAD KHAN) : 1 bea to lay on tbe Table- is an extraordinary situation. You lhould pull them up. (J) A copy of the Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and English ver- MR. SPEAKER: I will, naturally. It sions) of the Ministry of Industry is but natural. In the meantimc~ Geetaji, and Company Affairs for J98S-86. you may present the petition. (Placed in Library. See No. LT 712/85) (2) A copy of Notification No. SO PRESENTATION OF PETITION 177(E) (Hindi and English versions) pubJished in Gazette of India dated [English] the 4th March, 1985 regarding ex- tension of period of take over of SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE Management of Messrs Krisbna (Panskunl): Sir t I present a petition sianed Silicate and Glass Work Limited, by Shri Devi Prasad Singh and others regar- Calcutta, beyond five years under ding change in the administrative set up of sub-section (2) of section 18AA of Delhi and problems of residents of Delhi. the Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951. MR. SPEAKER: Now matters under (Pleased in Library. See No. LT 713/85) Rule 377. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : We are waiting, I presume, for the Minister. MR. SPEAKER: Sbri Unnikrishnan, Your Calling Attention. Mr. SPEAKER: Yes, we are waitiq. AN HON. MEMBER: The Minister SHRI K.P. UNNIKR)SHNAN (Badagara): has come, Sir. Yes, but where is the Minister 1 I do not see anybody. MR' SPEAKER: What happened to you, young man ? MR. SPEAKER: Who is the Minister? (Interruptions) SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: We THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ca.l wait for ten minutes, Sir. It is unfortu- DEPARTMENTS Or PERSONNEL AND nate. ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND MR. SPEAKER: What has happened CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SlNGH DBO): I to him? am sorry Sir,. 1 got stuck. up. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: The MR. SPEAKER : You must apologise to Minister in charge should be here. Who the House. will answer? What is all this 1 It is a SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: But, very strange thinl, Sir, very unfortunate. Sir, in future this shou1d not happen. You You should tell them. should tell the Minic;ter. MR. SPEAKER: Is not it understood MR. SPEAKER: 1 think he is a lood tbat he ouaht to be present here 'I Does cricketer. Why he should be late I do not this need explanation? know. He shou1d have made a faster run. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: But He is also our fast bowler in the team. an insult to the House. Sir. tbia is SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA IlAO : Even so, therl;! are some run-outs sometimes. MR. SPEAKER: Somethina must have happened tomewhere. Where is t~ Minister ? 191 MATTE&S UNDER. !lULB 377 lin.... IIOt _ f* haen ..~ ftc mOlt important point • chat ...... It tbtle- [English] of the old towns of Bakbira, Mebdaval, (I) Need to implement the recommenda .. Baosi. Dumariapnj and fJtreula)lave remai- tions cOntained In tbe 'twenty-Ieventb ned econocnicalJy backward till today. Report of the Comadttee on SUbor- dinate LegIslation regenli.. reeru1t It will be appof)riate to meatien here that ment rules for various posts In the important places like Bakhira, which is the Water Management aad Command largest prOducer of bronze and copperwares, Area DevelopJDent Division in the Mehdaval, which is known for handloom in- Mlnhtry of Irrigation. dustry and Bansi, the bi.est arain market of Eastern U.P. could not be developed merely SHRI GANGA RAM (Firozabad) : As because of the absence of. railway line and result of queries by the Committee on the economic condition of the people, who Subordinate Legislation and under direction deJ)end for their tivelihood on these indus- from the then Minister of State for Irriga- tries, is deteriorating day by day. tion, the recruitment rules for various posts I would, lherefore, request the Hon. Rail- in the Water Management and Command way Minister to arrange (or the construction Area Dev~lop n:nt Division were exammed of a new railw8 y line bttween Sahajanwan in the Irrig1.tion Ministry in the middle of and Balrampur via Bansi immediately so that the year 198 t. The existing recruitment the transport difficulties and this backward- rules are not in th~ agricultural interests vf ness of the area are removed and the aspi- the country be~ause the same do not provide rations of the people are fulfilled. eql.tal oppnrtuoity in the matter of selection agricultural engineers and scientists though to (iii) Need to revise the timings of certain they are sp:!cialists in this field, The irri- trains running on Gaya-Kiul Sedlon Mmistry furnish gation should information of East"rn Railway and to provide a regarding the defects pointed out and changes fast train between Gay. aud suggested by those who examined the above DeogbaT issue in rC'ip.!ct of all aspects of the recruit- ment rules for eac'l post and the steps taken SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI (Begu- by them to notify tho: amendments as per sarai): Change in the timings of the trainC\ 27th Report of the above Committee. on Kiul-Gaya line has created many difficult- ies. Here, the District Headquarters is in (ii) ~eed to lay a railway line between the Monihyr. Commissioner's office is in Salldjanwan and HalralDpur via Bhagalpur and most of the offices of the Sub- Baasl. Division level area in Lakhisarai. Proper [Translation] transport facilities are necessary to reach the civil hospitals and the colleges l,f Bhagalour, DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR Palna and Monghyr, which have been denied TRIPATHI (Khalilabad): Mr. Speaker, Sir, because of change in the timings of the trains. I submit the following under R.ule 377. People have been left with no other means to go to these cities except by bus or taxi. which It is necessary to have means of transport is an ilTOJular and costly service. The old for the progress of any area and for the set- train No.2 KG which used to leave Gaya at tins up of and the development of industries. S.JO and reach Shekhpura by about 7'0 clock In this context the role of the Railways is in the morning suited the people of the afCa mOlt important. Durin, tbe last several very well. That train now arrives at 3'0 years though surveys were conducted for lay- clock in the momina and it is impossible for ing new railway lines in different parts of the the residents of Barbida. Shekbpura, A .. ~ari. country, yet the work on these lines did not Sikandara, Halsi, Aryava, Sanner Blocks to start. In this connection, I would like to catcb the train at that time. Therefore. Sly tbat in 1977-78 the Railways had con- arranpmertts may kindly be made to restore ducted • survey for layina a new line between tbe earlier timings of tbe train. Sabajanwan and Balrarnpur via Bansi in Gorakhpur Divilion of U.P., but this railway 3-38 Dowft'ttatn ruoniDa between Gaya __ Sea~ baA _n runniaa for a Ioaa (1') Need to deal' ..,_ for medernl .. tin)e but the -.me b.as ~ cancelled DOW...... of Ka_.. bati Rete". The train should be ...torocl with .. euia Project la West ....1. timinas. SURI AJIT KUMAR SAli.\ (Vi~.tu.l· pur) : Sir, the Kan,pabati Pr~t for irrj· 131 Up which starts from Jamalpur for gating an area of 3,24,000 hecwes in KhatiC Oaya at '5'0 clock leaves Kiul at 89'0 clock. and 6,729 hectares of Rabi in the districts of If this train leaves Kiul at 10.30 the passon- Bankura, Mid~pore and Hooshly in W~st ,gers of 13 Up, 25 Up, 8 Down, 312 Down Bengal is nearing completion. in tqe mean- trains will get the facility of catchina this time to satisfy the needs of drought prone train for Gaya from Kiul. Thereforo, this areas in th~ upper catchm~n~ of the civer train should start from Jamalpur at 8'0 clock Kangsabati in the district of Purulia, a in the morning. scheme calJed the Upper Kanasabati Project has been sanctioned. There ;8 no fast train on this route. As a result of this, there will be sborta.sc Therefore, a fast train from Gaya to Deoghar of water in the lower Kangsabati Reservoir should be introduced so that the pilgrims Project and it has, thereforc, become DeetS- may get the facility of going to the two anci- sary to augment the water resources in tho ent places of pilgrimage. This is a long river basin by creating additional storages standing demand of the people. The HOD. on the adjacent river stream tapping ground Minister of Railways may kindly pay urgent water, lining of the canal system to prevent attention to the above points. the existing heavy seepage losses aDd by excavating water courses and field channels for better and more economical water (iv) Need to sanction additional funds ma~agement. With this end in view, a for renovation and modernisation of scheme for modernisation of the Kangsabati Kotbagudam Thermal Power Statioo.. Reservoir Project amOuf,tina to Rs. 210 crores was prepared and submitted to the Central Water Commission, Government of {English] India, for approval. Sir. the scbeme is extre- mely essential not only to stahilise the SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO irrigation potential created by the original (Vijayawada) : The two generating units at Kangsabati Reservoir Projectt. but also to Kothagudam Thermal Power Station in make the recently sanctioned upper Kangsa- Andhra Pradesh are very old and due to cer- bati Project effective. tain deficiencies. the Plant load factor is low. Sir. after due examination. the Central So. the A.P. State Electricity Board request- Water Commission, r~ommended and placed ed the sanction of Rs. 4,567/- takhs under this scheme before the Technical Advisory renovation and modernisation schemes of Committee of the Planning Commission. Thermal stations for improving their perfor- The Technical Advisory Committee asked mance under centrally sponsored scheme. But for some more details. which have since the Government of India has sanctioned an been furnished to the Central Water Com- amOunt of Rs. 891.70 lakhs only as Centra] mission. assistance for this scheme which worlcs out to 19.52 per cent .of the estimated C()st of the 1, therefo re, r~quest the Government to scbeme. The Government of India has san- dear the scheme for modernisation of the ctioned Rs. 1,901/- lakhs out of Rs. 2,346 Kangsabati Project immediately. ] also lakhs required for Talcber station in Orissa demand that the Minister concerned make a wbich is 81 per cent-Rs. 460 lakhs out of statement in the House about this project as Rs. Sl~ lakbs needed for Karbhishia station early as possible. in Bihar which is 89.6 per cent etc. So. I request tbe Government of India to immedi- (vi) Need to provide stoPPages of atey tecoJ;lSider the matter and sanction Mal". Superf.st Express and Rs. 2,200/- lakhs ad4i~onaUy for naoy&tiQn Oak_lain Express at VhUsba aft aAd m~i8ation of Kothaaudam ~rmal GaaJ BaIOda. Power SU»ion. SHR.I PBATAP. BHANU SHARMA 19S Matters Under Rule 371 . Prlceksl T,~s of Ind iall art .•• (Vidisba): It is a welcome- decision tbat tbe acres of land can be irripted with bye"flow Malwa Superfast Express train "ill rUD daily water. The farmers of that area have been between New Delhi.. Bhopal aDd Indore from expecting water for their fields for quite a 1st May, 1985. There is a lona-standins long time. The incomplete minors are as demand for the stoppage of'tbis S'lperfast follows :- train at Vidisha station simUalry several memoranda and reminders have been sub· 1. Rathi Khera Minor mitted by various organisations of my coDsi- tituency for the stoppaae of Dakshin Express 2. KhetanwaIi distri butary at Oanj Basoda. 3. Zoravarpura distributary Vidisha and Ganj Basoda are very good 4. Sardarpura distributary business centres with historical background 5. Khonda distributary and also attract foreign and inland tourist traffic for the archeological monuments at 6. Kbildasari distributary Sanchi. Udaigiri, Udaipur Gyara·spur, Kham-baba ect. I would request the Railway 7. Chulli distributary Minister to look into the matter for cons- 8. Thethar distributary dering these two stoppages at the earliest possible time. 9. Jesamatee distributary 10. Kanhore distributary [Translation] 11. Bhojewala distributary (vii) Need to bring Pumea (Bihar) on the air map of India 12. Somasar distributary, and 13. Piperan distributary. SHRI D.L. BAITHA (Araria): The district of Pumea, on the North Eastern I would urge the Government of India border of Bihar is situated on the border of that these incomplete minor~ should be Nepal. There are still no suitable means of completed on a war footing 0;0 that the far- transport in the area as a result of which mers may get irrigation fac&litie~ and their it is not developing. backwardness and poverty may be removed and at the same time the country may a)"o Near Purneat there is a Defence airfield have the benefit of more production. in Chunapur which is not being used now by the Defence Department. It is, therefore, sUllested tbat Purnea may be connected by air service. Delhi-Patna-Calcutta flight or Delhi-Patna-Bagdogra flight can be scheduled CALLING ATTENTlON TO MATTER via Purnea once or twice a week and thus OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE it am be brought on the air map. Earlier also, the private companies have been runn- [English] ing air services from here and earning profit. Therefore, it is .~pected that it will prove 12.10 brs, to be a profit earning service and there will be no losses. If it is not possible to do so, Reported removal and shipping or pri- it should be linked with Vayu-doot service celess treasure$ of Indian art and culture immediately. Induding rare works of sculptures for display during the Festival of India in the United ('viii) Need to complete the distributaries States of America and France. iD Ganganagar District taking oft' from Indira MaID Canal MR. SPEAKER: Now, we taken up tbe Calling Attention, Mr. Unnikrishnan. 'Now, SHRI BIRBAL (Ganganaaar): Sir, all 1 can diagnose what the Minister"was sutTer- the direct minors takeu out in Ganganagar ing from, namely ,hat he was still used to district from the Indira Main Canal have the old Parliamentary procedure. This is the been left incomplete and if these the extend- Eighth Lok Sabba, but he was Uvit"l8 in the ed further according to the survey, lakhs of days of tbe Seventh Lok Sabha aD4 be diet 197 Prlc,le~ Treasures of CHAITllA 26, 1907 (SAKA) P,icelBsf T.,.etl4",.n of 198 Itrd/an art ••• Indltm art ..• not understand this. Mr. Minister mUit (2) "India" understand that we have become wiler. This new Lok Sabha does not take too much (3) Life at Court: Art for India'. Rulen time ... -16tb-19 Cent. A.D. (4) From Indian Earth:.aoo Years of SHR! K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Bada- Terracotta Art. gara) : He must think that we are already in the 21st century. (5) Kushan Sculpture. MR. SPEAKER: We have become wiser and we not waste time in unnecessary (6) Fatehpur Sikri and the Age of Akbar. things. We do not become busy withuot The art objects have been conceled work now. from SS private/autonomous and Government museums, besides 9 private collectors with SHRJ K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I call their consent. The process of selection in· the attention of the Minister of culture to eluded the examination of the exhibits by the following 'matter of urgent public import- experts. As many as 76 out of 441 art ance and request that he may make a state- objects which were initially listed for display ment thereon : in the exhibitions in USA have been drop- ped, taking into account the adverse conser· "The reported removal and shipping vation report or due to the fragile condition of priceless treasures of Indian art of the objects. Some of the art objects, and culture including rare works of which were one of their kind such as sculptures from different Museums, Pasupati seal and Dancing girl of Mohan- art gallenes and temples in India for jodaro were also excluded. Thus extra- display during the Festival of India ord inary objects of historical or aesthetic m the United States of America and importance in the context of history of Indian France with grave risks, and steps art were excluded. Barhut Yakshi from Indian taken by Government in that regard." Museum and Amarvati Roundal from Madras Museum, wbich were embedded, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have not been selected. DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL AND TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- It is custom:lTY for Museums of inter- 1--0RMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES national repute to exchange exhibItIons, each AND PENSION DEPARTMENT AND side trying to project the best of tbe coun- OF CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO) : try's cultural heritage and also to receive the welcome this opportunity to clarify the r finest in return. For example, the National position in regard to the art exhibitions dur- Museum New Delhi itself received exhibitions ing the Festival of India. of the finest and priceless works of art such The Festival of India in France and as Thracian Gold from Bulgaria, Art Trea- USA is scheduled to open in June 1985. It sures from Dresden and the National Gallery wi II be on a scale much bigger than the one of Modern Art those of German Expres- held in London in 1982 aod will cover a SIonist, Paul Klee and sculptures by Rodin. wider canvas. It will comprise a large num- It may also be noted that many nations of ber of exhibitions sponsored by some of the the world have sent some of the greatest most prestigious museums in United States exhibitions to the United States, France, and France which have displayed the grea- Britain and Japan, e,g. the e",hibitions of test art treasures of the world, performing Chinese Art Treasures from Tut-Ankh-Amen art~, Indian Film 'Festival', theatre groups, of Egypt and pamtings of Rembrandt. Our country's cultural heritage and image is poetry readings. symposia and seminars etc. f unique in the world and from times imme- Six major exhibitions of classical art morial Indian art bas also influenced the are heioa organised durin. the Festival of styles of the Art of China, South-east Asia India in USA. They are : and Far-eastern countries. Therefore, what has been selected for the Festival of India (l) Sculpture of India 3000 BC to 1300 constitutes an insignificant proportion of the A..D. art works and masterpieces available in th_e 199 Priceless Treasures of APRIL, 16, 1985· Priceless Treasures of Indian art •••. Indian at t••• country. The selection of these art objects spent but the manner in which the FI for different exhibitions is' due to the fact is conducted. that they are well known in the world of art. In fact exhibitions of such art treasures The festival is meant to project India11 . generate more interest and enthusiasm among it cannot be allowed to degenerate intopu' scholars and general public in the art and relations exercise to project someonewho cultural heritage of India. become a sort of cultural commissar, that the Chairperson of the Festival of Apart from obtaining insurance cover Committee. on "wall to wall" basis, every care, accord- ing to international practice is being exer- I know, this is not an opportunity todio cised in respect of packing, transportation cuss the entire gamut of festival and the etc, Utmost security precautions have been unsavoury details that have come to I~ taken such as valuable exhibits are escorted about many other aspects of this Festival by armed guards, consignments are accom- which have become a game of favoritesfl panied by experts, detailed photographic the favourites. documentation is made 'at different stages of the movement of the art objects. I shall only, therefore, confine myrem in this connection to the decision to remO!l' It would, therefore, be observed that all and shift priceless treasurers of Indian lit possible precautions have been taken by the and cultural heritage including the sculpt Government to ensure the safety and security dating back from Harappan age to Mau of the art treasures proposed to be sent to Gupta, Kushan and Chola periods I know- the Festival of India. I might add that I have just seen in the statement--ooe, considerable enthusiasm has been generateg should be thankful for small mercies thattbe: abroad about the art and cultural heritage Chairman of the Festival has not conde of India. ded to remove the Budha of Sarnath, astbe Minister has said in his statement, and SBRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Sir, I Pashupati Seal to which he has referredisa' am amazed at the cool, complacent roue of key to the understanding of history oft the statement of the Hon. Minister which entire sub-continent but, believe me, thisout, can only be.compared to the amazing degree rage was only stopped at the personalinter' of ignorance and misinformation about India, vention of the late Prime Minister Shrimal not only contemporary India, our civilisation, Indira Gandhi but with the tragic deatha our heritage and so on but also about tradi- disappearance of Shrimati Indira Gan tions and achievements that exists in the from the scene, the Chairperson of tbisFesi- United States of America and in various parts val has become . a riderless borse, raid' of Europe. Therefore, the idea of a Festival every conceivable museum, collection, tern of India as. an introduction to India which and even excavation sites; like the proverbial would, correct distortions in their understand- Oliver, she asked for more. ing of India was a very welcome idea. We thought that it will project contemporary From the Patna Museum has gonetbc India, also as a cultural heritage, and tradi- celebrated and universally-acclaimed Yak1bi tions and our immense diversity, in food, of Didarganj of 3rd century BC (Mall1}a) costumes and performing arts. which along with Gyraspur Yakshi, nowpro- bably in Gwalior Museum have beenacclain· This Festival which is to last for well ed as the finest achievements. Here hesays over 18 months is funded mostly by the that certain objects have been excluded Government of India, that is, from the con- this is only insignificant contour, accordinl solidated Fund of India which, as you know them.' But here these two pieces,acco and as we know can only be appropriated to Shri Aurobindo, are crowning achieve-' and spent with the sanction of Parliament. ments of Indian culture. One of them Tlierefore, the Government of India and the going. Bodhisatva is going of 5tb cen Festival of India Committee appointed by AD and Alasa Kanya of Khajuraho from them is responsible to this Parliament not National Museum, famous Buddha of merely for the way in which the money' is kuwar from Lucknow Museum and Priceless Treasures of CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Priceless Treasures of 202 Indianart ••• Indian art ••• Ascetic, another unique piece from Now I refer to the excavation sites. In Art Museum. The list can go on January-February, 1985, the Archaeological pther, more than, 75 pieces have found Survey of India recovered in a chance dis- way:someof them awaiting fumigation covery at Sanghol near Chandigarh 117 sculp- t Baltimore. This is my charge. tures, not yet fully cleaned up and exhibited in India, Nobody has seen them except some addition, some other priceless achieve- of these members of the Archaeological Sur- of Pallava and Chola periods, price- vey of India. It was rare discovery, but I Cbolabronzes have been knocked off understand that large numbers of them, still the Vrishabha Vahana Murti of l l th not properly catalogued or seen in India, have , a classical piece from Tanjore Art already been picked up and shipped against . The Director of Tanjore Art Gallery expert advice. In an exposition of this kind and, what is more, the attack is not one can understand a few representative sam- to the art galleries of the South but ples being sent. Even that practice has been the worshipping temples. From questioned. The Americans have now the bareshwar temple of Vadakalattur, biggest collections of Moghul miniatures; vur,has gone Kalyanasundaramurti. Of they are in the United States with private piece,late Dr. Sivarama Murthy has collectors and museum: even some of the . He says that, some of them have finest bronzes like the stolen Sivapuram exquisite, aesthetic and extraordinary Nataraja which, we are hoping, will come of historic and. aesthetic importance. back according to a reply given in this House. SivaramaMurthy than whom there is no Was any effort made to contact these collec- authority of Chola period has written: tors and if so, what was their reply? I want to specifically know this. Let him not evade "Among the great masterpieces of or avoid this question because it is important Pallava sculptures should be men- for us in terms of Indians; there is no poli- tioned a recently discovered bronze tics in it. What is the agreement that we from Vadakalattur in Tanjavur dis- have with the U .S. authorities and the trict which presents Siva as Museums and art Galleries who are receiving Kalyanasundara, the most exquisite, these exhibits? I dare say- I challenge him that has so far been found anywhere, to disprove me-that to this day no such so natural and full of life." agreement exists. Then who takes the res- ponsibility, this colossal responsibitity, for or other temples, the exquisite and this shipping, amounting almost to vandalism s Rama, Lakshmana and Sita of with all its attendant, grave risks. If the Uiyurand the Kalyanavaradaraja temple answer is as he has said, that it has been in- not been left free, or the temples of sured, is insurance any substitute for these ·yurin Tanjore district. priceless treasures, the symbols of our civili- zation? 1 want to know this: insured by Sbankaracharyaof Kanchi has also taken whom and for how much. Who has fixed ionto this. the insured amount? I am sure they must have given it to a committee of experts to I haveit reliably learnt that not only the evaluate these pieces before insurance was tor of Tanjore Art Gallery has objected done. Did they make any evaluation report? theChief Minister of Tamilnadu himself If there was a committee of experts who did M.G. Ramachandran had written before such an evaluation before insurance cover Ill!ill,a letter to Shrimati Indira Gandhi was done, was there unanimity among them shepromised reconsideration and she and what report did they give? Is he pre- DOneofthem will be taken but he fell pared to lay it on the Table of the House- nowyou have a spectacle where Rama the evaluation report for the insurance done of Paruttiyur temple has been lifted, to by these experts ? insultto injury on the Ramnavami day. itemshave appeared in the Hindu Indian s and the entire press in the South of In cultural exchanges, reciprocity is the avami without Rarna and tremendous key. We ought an exhibition of master- resentment has arisen as a result of pieces of Louvre Museum of Paris; when Mr. Jacques Chirac w.as the Prime Minister some 203 Priceless Treasures of APRIL 16, 1985 Pric~/eJ$ Treasu~s of l"dimf MI ••• lndian art time ago, Mrs. Indira Gandhi personally, I were their comments, if any? And in thiS know-when Dr. Nurul Hasan was the Minis- list, their comments with det ails and of ter of Education-requested that Mona Lisa~ insurance-will it be laid on tbe Table of the be sent bere. But our request, in spite of House? Then have we sianed an agree· the fact that it came persistently from the ment with the recipient institutions and where Prime Minister of India who was held in are these exhibits now? Are they in tbe ~reat esteem in France, was turned down. fumigation yards-at least some of them are What have these Americans given us in in Baltimore-or have they reacht"d their return? It is true that they are dodging us destination ? claiming that they have no money 1 To cap it all, you ba ve a calendar of events which SOME HON MEMBERS: Erotic? is unique, published by the Festival of India Committee for circulation ... SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD: Mr. Unnikrishnan, you send that book to him. SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO : Please repeat They want to see. tbat question. SHRI G.G. SWELL: Erotic ascetic? SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN; It is not a fact that the Americans are dodging us SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: I am e- J To cap it all. there is an introduction to SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN Also Lord Siva, Lord Siva with the fabulous in Statesman and many other papers. concept of non-dimensional God. the only unique concept in the entire history of philo- sophy, oriental or occidental, unmanifest and SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Anyway. I have got a copy of the lndian E~p,ess here uncreated-aocording to Sankara and a living deity for millions of people in this country is dated 13.4.85. May 1 first of all say that thIS letter-I would not lak.e to say it is a introduced as a~ti~_~c· .• ~. (Inter- ruptions) You can have a look at it. Sir. half truth, but 1 would like to say that Lord Siva-4an erotic ascetic'? •••... (lnlerrllp- it-is a travesty of truth? ~IOPU) It is .g.otbinl..!ut pure blasphemy. If Sankaracharya has protested. if people are Firstly, be said that the festival is mostly agitated all over the country, it is because funded by the Government of India-which of this and there you and I have a responsi- is not so. On an earlier occasion I have bility because this is largely funded by the already replied in tbis House and also in the Consolidated Fund of India. other House that the Festival of India is being held both in France and in USA and Therefore, I repeat the question. Be- that as far as USA is concerned, our ex- for shipment what are the species that have penses will be about Rs. SlS lakbs approxi- been shipped, with their specific names and mately as of to-day and on the American the museum to which they belong. who are side, various organisations there will be the experts who have evaluated them for spendins more than 12 million dollars and insurance, were they unanimous and what by to·day's rate, which is, I think. Rs. lOS Pricele" Tretn,.. of CHAITllA1', 1907 (SAKA) P'lc~k8S Tretllures Df 206 lndltllJ tlTt ••• Indion art••• 13.50. or 14, it comes to Its. 18 crores as museum or from any gaJlery or aQything. against Rs. 5 crotes by India. I would like to as~ure the House about this. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: You Then he mentioned about intervention have got the money already? of our late Prime Minister Mrs. Gandhi about the Buddna and Pasupathi last time; SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Then he has and he said something about the riderless also referred to appropriation by Parlia- horse, I think it could not be farther {rom ment. This bas been reflected in the ~arious the truth. There is no riderless horse at appropriations passed by Parliament. Apart all. There is no question of sendina some from the Ministry of Culture, there are vari- of our priceless things. In fact it :has ous other Ministries which are also associat- happened that sometimes those objects of art ed with this Festival of India and these which are weJJ known have already been appropriations have been passed by Parlia- arouud; especially some of these objects ment last year also. of art have gone to Japan and to the Festival of India in London. They are being Then he has referred to it as some sent again. So, there is nothing new in it. public relations exercise for the Chair- lt has already gone to England jn 1982. It Person of the Festival of India. The person has already gone to Japan. The same is not present here and it would be-l objects ha ve gone and the same objects arc would appeal to his gallantry and I am sure going this tfme too. There was no hue &alIantry is not dead here in India nor and cry when it went to Japan. I don't know chivalry-this is not a public relations exer- why ~uch a hue and cry is made now when cise at all for anybody-neither for the the same objects are going to the United Chair-person nor for anybody else. Only States. this is one of the biggest events as far as India-US relations are concerned as far as Then he ref erred to Sanghol and the creating an awareness and more consciousness Yakshi. I have already sdid in my statement both in USA and India for culture is con- about Yakshi. About Sanghol it would cerned and this is a unique opportunity for be an interestjng point to know ~hat although the people of India and the Govemmmt 117 objects were found, only 5 of them are to help in creating this between the two sought to be cleared. It is under tbe largest democracies of the world. We have consideration of the Government. It has not a continuous culture of. more than 5,000 gone so far. We are consulting our ex- years. This has given us a unique opportu- perts. I will give the names of the experts nity. This was decid~d not today but when which the Hon. Member has asked for. It our former Prime Minister late Mrs. Indira is only after consulting them that Govern- Gandhi had gono in 1982, President Reagan ment will decide whether it could go and and Mrs. Gandhi had agreed then that how many pieces will go. Festival of India will take place in America in 1985. So, this is consequent upon that He also referred to some things finding and it is not PR exercise for anybody. their way to Baltimore and fumigation. 1 would like to say that fumigation has been Then the second point is this; he gave us some unsavoury details about games of completed at Baltimore and the exhibits have reached National Gallery, Washington favourites. I don't think there is any game They are not lying anywhere or sprawling of favourites in this thing at all. It is ]ike giving the dog a bad name and hanging it. around as he tried to imply. I do not think it has any relevance. In fact be never substantiated any of the games He mentioned abont Vrishab Vahana of favourites at all. and the items which are being worshipped in temples. None of these has gone out. Then he mentioned about removing These objects are being evalu_ated and after and strippinl priceless artie. and objects the evaluation is done, then the Government ef al1. fhis bas not b~D4'd so far. I will dee'ide about it. They will decide about can assure you. nothing is loins to be remo ... - the 9 bronzes on which the Tamil Nadu cd and stripped from anywhere, - temple, Government at first agreed. then apin they 207 Priceless Treasures 0/ APRIL 16, 1985 p,lceieS$ Treasures 0/ 208 l~i(J" tift ... I"dlo" ort M. changed their mind; again they have recon· SHRI K.P. SINGH DJ!O : As J said. sidered and have cleared all the 9 bronzes. more than iO objects have lone. Government will decide whether these 9 bronzes should go or not. Final decision SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: You can will be taken. sive the details later. He r~ferred to the Chjef Minjster of SHRI K.P. SINGH OEO : I will give it Tamil Nadu. I have already answered that. later definitely. Now. about the insurance, The Tamil Nadu Government, especially the sin<:c there are more than 76 articles, insur- Chief Mini')ter, bad considered and again ance had been made and the amount for the reconsidered and now tbe Government of entire quantity is approximately between Tamil Nadu has cleared all tbe 9. So, this Rs. 70 and Rs. 80 Jakhs. This is the insur- will be decided upon. ance amount for the objects which will go out. The third point was of excavation of site SHRJ K.P. UNNIKRISflNAN Crores at Sangol and that also I have answered. His or lakhs ? fourth Question was on the agreement. SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO : That is a SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Only matter of opinion. We have to go by our two questions I had asked specifically. When experts, not by your opinion. If you were I summed up 1 put two questions only and expert on that ••. if you want me to repeat them .•• SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Are you SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO : You have talking about the premium paid or the insured repeated those qu"'stions three or four times amount? and they became eight. Now, he ha~ asked what is the agreement with the USA and he SHRI K.P. SINGH OEO: I am talking was telling t'tlat there was no agreement exist- about the premium, not the insured amount. ing today and there was shipping vandalism. There are more than 70 objects. Whate, er Sir. I would like to say here that Carter is possible to be Idid on the Table of the Brown who is going to exhibit these bronze House, I will lay them. statues and sculpture objects of art at the National Oanery has given a written under- SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Is it not taking with the Festival of India and the the whole hst that you would be laying on the agreement between the USA and India is yet Ta ble of the House ? to be Signed and it is only after it is signed, that the objects will go. I would like to assure SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Whatever is the House of this. (/nlerruptions) pos~ible to be laid on the Table of the House, J will lay them. But if you start asking SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN Those everything to be laid on the TabJe of the which had been signed had gone. House, it is not possible to lay them an on the Table of the House. SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO : Those which have not yet been signed have not gone. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I asked about the list. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHN AN: Will you please give details? SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO : Therefore, whatever is possible to be laid on the Table of the House, I shall certainly lay them on SHIU K.P. SINGH DEO: There are the Table of the House. Then, he wanted to many different institutions which are holding know about the Committee of Experts. Now, tbe exhibits. the names of the Members of the Committee for evaluation of works of art for insurance 1 SHJlI K.P. UNNIKllISHNAN: Will purposes are: Shri Karl J. Khandalawala. you please live the details of what bas been Chairman. Board ot Trustees, Prince of signed and 'wbat bas not been li,ned '1 Wales Museum, Dr. P. Banerjee. former Prlul." 7}ft',"1 0/ CHAITRA 26, 190"7 (SAKA) Pri~/#,n neasure8 of 210 Indlart (Wt ••• Indian Drt ••• AssistJDt Direct'lt. National ~.. urp, Dr. • .., T.bfe of tbe Houae. That would seta M.S. Nagaraja lap, Oirector General. ArcJt ... YOtY wtOlllB precodalt. aJ08ical Survey of India, Dr. L.P Sihare, Director, National Museum. The Da~ of experts of Conservation and Restoration are : SHRI K.r· UNNIKRI$HNAN : Ar. you Shri A.S. Bhisht, Chief Restorer. Sbri O.P. ct.,imjn& (hat it is not in public iDt~rest~ Agarwal, Head, National Conservation Laboratoryand Mr. B.N. Tandon, Director, SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: It will be a Science and Archealogical Survey of India. bad precedent, which can create difficulties I have just received information that the Jater ••• (Inlll,.,.upliom) insured amount is Rs. 120 crores for 84 objects and the premium comes to about SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN Is he Rs. 80 lakhs. claiming that it is not in public interest? •• (J"terru/ltions ). (Interruptions) SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: I am only Then he said that the Americans were c1aiming that this is a body of experts; it has dodging. I realty do not know what they are to advise the Government to arrive at a dodging. decision. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I asked SURI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : What what were lhe comments of the members of were their comments? Was there unanimity ? the expert committee whose names have been given. Were they unanimous in their com- that ments? That was my specific question. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He says the Government takes a decision on the basis of such recommendations; whether there is SHRI K.P. SINGH DED: Government unanimity or not. And it is left to the Minis~ is guided by expert committees; it is not ter; if he wants to reveal something, he will mandatory on Government to accept their do that and if does not want, he will keep recommendations. Government is only guided it away. by that. I will come back on tbat also. We have consulted the expert Committee and we SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: The Govern- are guided in our decision. The final decision ment can withhold information only on one rests wi th the Government. ground, when the Minister says tbat in the interest of State, this information cannot be SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : What given. There is no other ground which did they say 1 What were their comments. Government can withhold information- SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Once again, SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I am I invite your attention to Rule 197; can there not asking for a military secret; I am not be a sentence by sentence debate in a calling asking for an intelligence report. attention 1 Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, you know the SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I want feelings of the citizens of Tanjore; 1 am only answer to my specific question. He has given reftecting their concern, concern of everyone the names of the members of tbe committee, of us in the House, about out priceless trea- who evaluated those objects for insurance. sure of art which are exhibited tbere. If I Were they unanimous and what were their ask what is the expert opinion, am I asking comments to the Government? I have posed for an intelligence report, or some document a specific question and nothing else. of confidential nature. or some military secret '1 If be says that in the public interest, SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO : What is pos- it is not possible to give this information, I sible to be told in tbe Houst, J wiJ) do that. will sit down. It is for the Government to take a decision. It is an expert committee of advisors; it is to PROF. P.l. KURIEN : A member cannot aid the Government to arrive at a decision. insist on the Minister to reveal sornetbina It is Qot possible tor me to lay everythina on whicb he docs Dot want to reveal. 211 Prlcelen TreasUf'e1 of APRIL J 6, 1985 Priceless Trelllu,., ()of 212 Indian art ••• . Indian art••• MR.. DEPUTY SPEAKER. : Let the SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN: Minister answer the question; please sit Is it in relation to calling attention '1 down. PROF. P.l. KURIEN : In a calling SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Yes. It attentioD, a Member can ask one or two is Shri Anantasayanam Ayyangar's old ruling questions. Therefore, he has not replied to the pojnt that I have raised. When specific things are SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: 1 am asked, they must be answered adequately. As asking for c1arifications only ••• (lnterrupt/ORS). I have said, I am not seeking any secret. 1 have said, that it bas been insured. He has MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit also told us that the following members con- down; the Minister is on his legs. I would stituted a committee. Now my question was request all the Members to take their seats. whether their recommendation was unanim- No further discussion. Let the Minister ous while certifying that it was fit to be reply. shipped and while they specified the amount to be insured and so on, were tbey unani- (Interruptions) mous? If not, there will be two opinions. What were their comment~ and advice to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No Please. Government? That i~ all. That IS the speci- Mr. Kurien, plea~e sit down. The Minister fic quesiion that he must ans",cr or take the is on his legs. He is replying. plea that it is not in public interest. SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: I am not MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Minis- going to set a bad precedent. I am sorry. ter told you. Sometimes, he is not wining to (lnterruplionJ) You are most welcome to your reveal certain things views. He wanted to know who Shrimati Pupul Jayakar was. She is the Chairperson (/nlerr"plionJ) of the Festival of India Commlttee. She is a very distinguished person, and she has been SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: Here IS a associated with the promotion of various group of experts on whose saymg, the Go- arts and crafts of India for the last four and vernment will have to decide. 1t will be set- a half decades. She is a very distmguished ting a bad precedent. It is not a question 01 person. I am only very sorry for the know· giving away defence ~ecrets. He is not ask- ledge which the Hon. member has regarding ing for defence secrets. But I would not hke the Chairperson of the Festival of India to set a' bad precedent, whereby the internal Committee. There are three committees, one notings of the Government of India are pla- in the United States, one in France and one ced on the table of the House. It will have here. Sbrimati Jayukar happens to be the serious repercussions and this can lead to chairperson of the Committee which conducted asking Questions on defence secrets also. the Festival of India Exhibition in London. There is the one for France as well as for the United State~. Sir, I have answered all the SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I am points which have been raised by the Hon. not asking for ministerIal notings. There is member. a difference between ministerial Dotes and the advice of a group of experts. If it is SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I am on ministerial notings, I would not ask. a point of order. Please refer to page No. 413, Kaul and Shakdher-HWhenever a MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Un- Minister makes a statement in res?onse to a nikrishnan, he is telling that after the experts calling attention notice, he is e"pected to opinions, the Ministry has taken certain deci- answer all the points that might have been sions. There may be some ditf~rcnces among raised in the short notice questions or any the member~. They will take a final decision other questions raised in the motion." There~ on the opinions given by the Committee. fore, he has not answered my question. As I said, he can take a plea and say that it is not in the public interest. Then I will sit SHRI K. P. UNNIKRlSHNAN: It is down. I have asked a specific question. not that. That is the point. 21' Pric~IeQ T'MI'''~s of CHAI11lA 26, 1901 (SAKA) Pricelen Treasures of 214 Indian "'I••• Indian art ..• MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There may been taken, Sir.. Probably you have not be some information which he is nOt interes .. listened. ted in revealing further~ He does not want to create a precedent. When he feels that it MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No the Minis- is not necessary to reveal something, we can- ter is telling so. When he is telling so, I can- not insist upon the Minister in this regard. not do anything. He is on record that tbe decision has not been taken. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: What is the whole b~siness of Parliament about ? SHRl K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: You have C MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He is saying MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: If too many that a final decision has not bee'} tlken. The Members speak, I cannot hear. One by one Minister has not taken a final decision. There- please. fore, you need not necessarily insist. There- fore, leave it at that. SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. DEO (nrvathipuram): To set the record SHRI K. P. UNNlKRISHNAN: Sir, straight, I wou1d like to make a submission. you should not be a party to diluting accountability. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Is it related to the calJing attention? Regarding calling MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Not at all: Attention, I cannot aHow you ... No. I say that the Minister is saying that the decision bas not been taken. SHRI V. KISBORE CHANDRA S. DEO : I am on a point of order relating to SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : If that the proceedings of this House. is so, we have nothing to say. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : When a point of order? decision is taken, you bavt the right ro ask why Government has taken such a kind of SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. DEO: decision. But the Minister is telling that the My point of order is this: Irrespective of decision has Dot been taken. the information required with regard to a particular subject, every Member in this SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: It has House bas the right to call for information 21S Pricele" 1'Hasuta 0/ APUL. 16, ,~, I'ricelea rr.t...., til 216 Indian tlI't .•• Indian "", ••• and demand from the Minister certain iniQl''' appeared in 8 neWl~. You are from mation that be requires, unless it is a &&ianst TamiJnadu. I t has appeared in Th~ Hi_. the interests of national security, or it is a It has caused sensation there. I am quoting Defence secret, or it is sometb ina which, the from rM Hlndll dated April 11. It reads as Minister or the person concerned feels., is follow. : against the interests of the country •• "His Holiness Sri layendra Saraswathi MR. DEPUTY SPEKER: There is no of Kancbi Karnakoti Peedam regretted point of order, because he has already clari- the removal or sbme deities from the fied the whole thinl- Whatevor the Members temple at Parithiya village in Thanja- wanted, he has clarified . (Inte""ptioes). vur district to the US for exhibition, PJease sit down. and asked the Government to stop forthwith such practiees which viola- Mr. Jaipal Reddy, you carryon. ted the sanctity attached to these deities." SHRI V. KlSHOllE CHANDRA S. DEO : Let me complete. We are Dot asking So, the Minister t should say whether they for any notings of tbe Ministry. have been removed from the temple or not; whether he was merely referring to the fact MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER. : There is no that they have not been shifted to the US. point of order. Please sit down. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : It has SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. been removed and brought to DeJhi. DEO : We want to know the findings of the Committee set up by the Go~ernment. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I think he (Interruptions). tried to draw a subtle distinction between the two. In tbe first place, nobody has the autho- SHRl K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : It can· rity to remove an idol from a temple under not become a precedent. How can it be prece- rhe Antiquity and Art Act 1972. Section 19 dent. He is just takins a plea. sub-section 7. It reads as follows: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit "The power of compulsory acquisition down. (Interruptions) conferred by this section shall• ¬ extend to any object being an ant.!» SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mababub- or art treasure used for bonajiile nagar) : A lot of ground has already been religious places. n covered by our esteemed colleague, Mr. Unni- k.rishnan. We welcome the idea of the Festi- So, I would like the Minister to explain val of India to be held both in USA and in how in tbe first place, these idols France. But what is very intriguing and were removed from a temple. In the teport ironical is that in the matter of an exhibition, read out by tbe Minister, he admitted, origi- they are interested in observing strict secre- nally a list of 44) Items \\-as prepared. I cy. In a report that appeared in The st~t~s. would like to know whether this list inclu- man only yesterday, the correspondent stated des such' things as Buddha of Sarnath, as that he was prevented from taking snaps of Madura Buddha in Rasbtrapati Bhawan. I the art pieces which were being air-lifted and would like to know whether such things can shipped to USA. be even included initially in the jist. Does this government hav~ any idea about price" I would li~e the Hon. Minister to answer )essness of these articles ? as to why the government or the authority concerned in the matter or the powers that I am only reminded of the famous state- be are trying to keep the \\ bole thing seoret. ment of Karlyle made in the 19th century. He Just now, my Hon. friend, Shri Unnikrisb- said if a choice was to be made between the nan, referred to the manner in which the British Empire and Shakespear be would idol was removed from the temple. The prefer the whole of Birtish Empire. You must !dinister, I understand, has denied it. But it remember that Carlyle was a ,reat champion Priceless Treasures of CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Priceless Treasures of 218 Indian art ••• Indian art ••• ofcolonialism and he made this statement information except on the ground that the wbenthe British imperial glory was at its disclosure of that information would be loith. Therefore, could a thing like Buddha detrimental to the interest of the State. I am ofSarnath be initially included in the list using the word 'State' in the sense of political atall. He has not mentioned which were science. I am interested in bringing this to tbeterra-cotta figures that were shifted to. the notice of the House that the experts of USA. He says that all these things are in this Committee, at least some of them, have vogue;whenever exhibitions are held, such placed on record that some art treasures objectsare shifted. Just now, Mr. Unni- should not be sent at all. The Minister should krishnan referred to the manner in which the tell the House as to whether such an opinion ParisMuseum refused to make certain objects was recorded by the experts. The Minister has available. just now stated that the Government is still examining the opinion expressed by the experts. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: When did The Government cannot examine the opinion of herefer to it ? He never referred. . the experts in regard to 76 articles that have already been sent away. Did Government take any decision in regard to those articles? SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : He referred Were those articles shipped to USA without toMona Lisa. the Government taking any decision at all ? Who are the members of the Festival SHRI K. P. UNNIRKISHNAN : I Committee? How many times did the Festival referred to the statement of the I~te Shrimati Committee meet? Did the Chairperson take Indira Gandhi, the former Prime Minister; all the decisions? Did Chola Bronzes include she requested the then Prime Minister of apart from. Vrishabha Vahana Murthy, France and Dr. Nurul Hasan was the Minis- Kishabahva Deva r corsort ? What is the ter of Education. decision of the Government in regard to these art pieces? SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO Did you refer to any statemer.t? I am sorry you did SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: After hearing not. the whole Ramayana if he asks who is Sita, I am at a discount. Anyway, I will try to SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : He answer some of the points which have not wanted an exhibition to be held abroad been raised earlier. where exhibits like Mona Lisa .were to be displayed. I would like to reiterate once again that Government is bot impervious to the feelings SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I would like of the people whether of South India or to know from the Minister whether he is North India or the whole of India or the aware of the tradition of the US Museum, experts. He said that some of the idols had Smith Sonian Museum not to make their been removed. Nothing has been removed. objects availabie for display anywhere. Experts of Indian origin, who are living abroad, have come. Curators of various SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: I Museums have also come. They have identi- am on a point of order. Under rule 197 (2) fied certain art objects, paintings, etc. It is a Member is allowed to ask only a question not that just because they have identified and there cannot be a debate on the state- something, we are falling on bended knees ment made by the Minister. The Hon. Member and giving it to them. Government is consi- is asking the second question. What is your dering each item on its merit. It is also guided ruling? by the experts committee. Then there are three or four underlying principles which! are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit applied before it gives its final decision down. He is putting the question. whether an object ought to go or ought not to go. If tile object is the only one of its kind, SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : He has generally it is not allowed to go. But if the refused to take the House into confidence in same thing has gone to London and Japan, regard to the opinion expressed by the it is only going to the third place. And in experts. He cannot refuse to withhold the certain cases Government has agreed. 219 Priceless Treasures of APRIL 16. 198' Pricele$l Trell814res of Indian art .•• Indian arl ••• Secondly J from the Conservation point of SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: He is view and from the fragility point of view, 1 attracting a privileae notice, Sir. I have have already said this in my opening remarks. thrown a dist inction between the removal of in my answer to the Calling Attention. If the idol from the temple and the shipment of hone Member was attentive, he would have the same to USA. This idol may not have noted that 1 have answered most of the been shifted to USA. Does it mean that the point whIch he has raised now. Thirdly, from idol has not been removed from the temple ? the point of view whether we would like these to 80 out or not, he has asked about MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is not Vrishabha Vahana ~nd Kishabahva Devar removedt be is telling. Consort. As I said, these are still under consideration of the Government. Then, Slf, he has said that some 70 or 80 have gone SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Government out, this also is misleading the House. The of India has not removed anything from Government cannot consider those which anywhere. have already gone out, Government is consi- dering tbose which are still here. It is only SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: If the after consideration that these will go out or Government of lndia has not removed, then not. There is no question of its gOlllg with- who has removed it from the Paruttiyur out Government considenng it. Temple 1... (Interruptions). SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: You SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: The Minister conc;titute a committee of the Members of is correcting hLnself. Sir. He sa id that with the Lok Sabha to go and see ...... (Inter- regard to the opinions expressed by experts. ruptions). the Government was still considering. Does be mean to say that 76 precious articles have already been shifted to IT. S. A. without the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit Government ta~ing a decision ? down, all of you SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Sir, one SARI K. P. SINGH DEO : If he cannot point which I have not answered, I would understand, what can I do. Sir? 1 am not a lik.e to answer now. He has referred to a professor of English. statement from the Statesman. 1 am sorry to say it is travesty of the truth. Everything SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: At this rate, which appears in newsprint may not be Sir, I should be a professor in English factual. Jn fact, no one was prevented from because I cannot make him understand. taking photographs of anything. ] am told that when they were asked to keep on doing SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: It is not rehearsal of taking the photographs, the my mother tongue. Anyway, he wanted to people ref~sed to do that. They declined to know who were on the Festival of India do that. Committee. I say, there are three committees. If he wants I can read out all the names. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Not a There is a Committee in the United States, single photo was allowed to be taken. there is a Committee in France, there is a Committee in India. SHRI K.P. UN'NIKRlSHNAN: Who bas removed these idols from the temple? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You can •••••. (Interruptions). lay them on the Table. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Be precise SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: What about in what you want to say. the violation of the Act ? SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir, firstly, SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO : What viola- y.ou must have read the news item that Ram tion ? We are violating no Act. Government Navami was celebrated without Rama, which of India has not removed anything, it bas Unnikrishnan Ji bas also referred to. You not violated any Act •••. (Interruptions). must have also read the news item in which 221 Prluiesl Treasure, 0/ CHAITRA 26, J 907 (SAKA) Priceless Treasures 0/ 222 Indian arl ••• Indian art ... His Holiness Shankaracharya has condemned is teUing is that neither the Committee nor the removal of idol from the temple. To this the Government have removed this idol or day, the Government hes not denied this anything which you are referring to. That item. Even now the Minister does not refer is aU. That is very clear. to this. He merely says, tbe Government has not removed anything. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: No, that is not clear. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: There is a question coming up tomorrow from Shri SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY: Chidambaram on this specific issue .•. (Inter- He bas to admit whether it has been remov- ruptions). ed or not. That is the question. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I would not MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are allow other Members to go on speaking. raismg the qUestIOn regarding the Festival Please sit down aU of you. Mr. Reddy, what of India and you have asked whether the further clarifications do you want '1 Government have removed the idols or not. He says, no. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: The Minis- ter has not categorically denied that the idol SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY: If was removed from the temple. I have also tne Government of India bas not removed, referred to the legal position in this regard. who has removed ? The Minister must state that. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He is telling that the Government has not removed MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Jt is very anything from the temple. easy, but you do not understand. In call attention, I cannot allow this. That is an over. We are gOing to the next item. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: It js not the Government that does, it is the Festival (fnterrUpl ions) Committee which has removed it. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : No further SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: Neither the discussion. 1 not allowing anyone. Festival of India Committee nor the Govern- am ment has removed anything from anywhere. Please sit down. The institutes which are in control of it have handled it themselves. SHRI S. SINGARAV ADIVEL : Regard- ing the removal of idols of deities from SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: He is Paruthiyur temple, I may say that some saying that the temple people have handed it pieces of idols of deities wc;re kept there for over. safe custody. I understand only those have been taken out. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: He says MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I do not the institutes have done it. want any further discussion on this. All of you please sit down. We now go to the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are next item-discussion and voting on the discussing about that particular Commiuee. Demands for grants for the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. Sbri Digvijay SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I am refer- Singh. ring to the removal of the idols from the temple for shipment to the USA for display (/merruptions) . at the exhibition. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Mem- SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: That ber IS on his legs. ( will request all of you is tbe point. to take your seats. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER; What be 223 IHmt.Jnds lor Grants APtuL 16, ,,,5 (G.neral) 198$·86 DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (OBNEI.AL), We initiated the fantll, plaPftirw propam_ 1985-86-Contd. in ItS!, 33 years 110. and when we ihitiatotl the preeramrne. our net annual mmace of (English] population rate at that tJme was somewhere around 1.25 per cent. I aaree that the death rate was much hipr than tbe blrtb, rate Ministry of H.ltta and Family Welfare and the birth rate may be 4S per thousand, but the QCt an.oual increase rate was 1.25 SHRI DIGVIJA Y SINGH (Surendra- per cent beQauae tbe d~ rate was hiP, nagar) : Mr. Deputy speaker, Sir, I wish to Todty the birth sate 111&)' have come down dwell on a subject, which to my mind, is the from 4S per thousand to 36 per tltousand, most critical and the most crucial one for but correspondingly our death rate has come the entire future of this country. This is the Gow. to 13 per tho.... and because of anodern subject of population growth. r.nedicinc. Tberefore, our net annual increase rate h-.s risen to 2.2 per cent today-2.I per Before, I make my observations, may I cent at the end of 33 yean of family plann- ask a specific question to aU the Members ing. Where is it going to lead us to? I have here to sincerely tell me as to how many of statistics which have been given O\Jt by the us raIsed the subject of population control Ministry of Health and FamiJy Welfare and while convassing in the ele~tlons? Around they tell us-I dare say they have done a four thousand condidates stood for the good job, they have done their bC!'st. I do Parliamentary elections two and a balf not have any grouse against the performance months ago; and thereafter in the months of the Ministry of H~alth and Family Wel- of February-March, we had around 25,000 fare, I think, under the circumstances and candidates who stood for the Assembly the set-up that w~ have today. Even if tbey elections. have done their best, but look at the out- come, look at the result. We have today J3.24 brs. reacbed a population figure of 740 million- these are today's statistlcs. And the estima- tIOns are that by the tum of the century it (Mr. Somnath Rath in the Chair) would be somewhere around 970 million. The plans are that we achieve the goal of a So, 25,000 candidates for the Assembly elec- net reproduction rate of one~ which means tions and 4,000 candidates for the Parliament one woman replaces one woman. That is elections contested, and I would like to ask the nct reproduction rate of one. If we how many of these candidates belonging to achieve that goal of net reproduction rate of any political party raic;ed the most critical one, thereafter the population explosion can issue facing the country, which is the be, to some extent, brought under control population isslle. I do not know whether and the earliar we reach this nct reproduc· others did, and jf they did, may I ask not tion rate of one, the nearer we can reach only Government but the entire population our target or goal of zero growth. of this country through the media to ascer- tain and to introspect as to what extent they are committed to this cause. We say that The Government's estimate is that the family planning programme is the people's net reproduction rate of one percent would programme. Well, the people's aspirations, be attained or achieved by the year 2.000 the ethos of the society, arc reflected during A.D. 1 have my arave apprehensions because elections and if we did not raise this issue our birth rate today is 36 per thousand and whilst canvassing for an election, I personally onc cannot achieve a net reproduction rate feel that to whichever place we get elected of ODe percent until you bring your birth we are not committed to the cause. What is rate down to 21 per thou~nd. May I ask the use of talking about any issue with whether anybody believes that the birth rate great expertise after the elections if you can fall from 36 per thousand to 21 per don't talk of it while convassing? Where thousand in the course l' years ? I have docs the fault lie'? I think. it is time that we my gravest doubt. I feel that this net re- introspect. Every person who is in public production ralc of one percent will not come life has an opportunity to introspect. Let me down until at least 2010 if not 201S A.D. try and tell you the gravity of tbe problem. That mCllDS, tho birth rate will DOt come CHAI'Dl\Ai Z6. 190'7' (lAKA) ~,fpr G__ (G~,../) lJ)8.5-B6 do_, to 21 per tlIo\lS8nd rialtt UIltil 281ft Qr 1 ,ball not lab mor. time of the HoUII lOllS .. If tbis bappeoa. the pt'ojo:tod Ifowe because 1 aID IU.N I shaH laave an oppoc", of population is expected to rise to IQO tunlty of taking on this issue when the -crores or 110 crores by the time we reach Constitution Amfllldment Bill is discu¥cd. 21 per t80\aSaPd. Tlaaceafter. if the soal is But I do expect a very stroDI and a firm to reach a zero growth rate, even tho C9mmitment of every elected representative <3overnmental Statistical Department feels in this country, wh~ther he is a Padiameota- that until the 22nd century, wo cannot reach rian or a legislator or a Municipal Cotpora- the zero lCowth rate. Tbat means. we will tor or a Pancbayat Sarpanch to be commit- I'each a populatioQ of anywllere up to 1400 ted to this cause and to see that his millions or 140 crores. I feel tlUs is a very performance as a le~der of society is trend- optimistic figure. The World Bank figure setting. I hope, this warnins· will open the says that the population of India will stabi- eyes of the Government. lise at 17800 millions or 180 crores. Now, if our population stabilises anywhere between SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR (QuiJoIl) : 140 and 180 crores, have we been able to Mr. Chairman, Sir, I support the Demand.. ascertain the impact of this explosion which I particularly welcome the enhancement in to my mind is more explosive and dangerous tbe outlay for the Department of Family than any other problem which the country Welfare to Rs. 500 crares from an average is facing 1 The way of life, the method of annual outlay of Rs. 160 crores durina tite our offering civic amenities to the people is Sixth. Plan period. This is a quantum j\.lmP affected. The impact on the environment of three times signifying the nnportance atta- will mean the destruction of forest, excessive ched to the population issue by the dynamIc grazing of grass land, soil erosion etc. More and forward looklOg administration of PrUDe than that, look at the impact of this popula- Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi. tion explosion on the urban settlement in this country. It is estimated that in the year Since Independence, almost a new India 2,000, out of the 10 largest cities in the world has been born in terms of number~ our 3 may be in India. Three out of the 10 lar· population doubling to 70 crores the accre" gest cities will be Indian cities in the year tion to the population every year bema of 2,000 and it is also estimated that half of the order of 13 milion which i~ equivalent to the population in these cities will be living the population of the entire cOl)tinent of in slums. This is not restricted to these AustrJli~. Our performance on we popu- citie~ c.l'on~. The total urban spectrum, lation front is going to spell the diff~,cnce the whole urban lIfe in this country between achievement and nOl1-aehicv~ment of is going to move towards a laraer and a beneficent spiraJ of economic growth and larger percentage of slum population and risana real incomes. It is going to determine unauthorised colonies. I feel t!at a time whether we are going to succeed in O\lr fight has come when we have to tak.e some steps, against poverty and destitution. It is ulti- which have to be certainly drastic. I have mately going to determine our very national introdUCr"'d an Amending Bill to the Consti- destiny. tution whereby we will have to make COQsti- tut!onal provisions to see that this explosion of populatioo does not engulf the whole India was the first country in the world future in this country. whereby the next to have a governmental programme for family generatIon or may be the generation after planning. The programme has grown, with that will feel what kind of barbarians Hved the Plans and we have succeeded in averting two generations ago when they could not about 60 million births uptilJ now. The think of taking stern steps to see that the growth rate of 1.9 per cent achieved by us population Irowth was curbed at that time. compares very favourably with most of the third wOJ;ld countries in Asia and Africa. But we are far behind China and some of the small I also feel that it is a very uJlique countries, like, Singapore. We have been opportunity that Eighth Lok Sabha bas of constantly falling short of the targets set by taking a stern decision and very firm mea- ourselves with our population control objec- sures to see that the population growth is tives receding farther and farther into the curbed even earlier than planDed by tbe future. If our present goal of net reproduc- Oovermnent. tive rate of unity is to be achieved by 2000 221 Demontb /0, a'IltIt, APRIL 16, 1'8~ ~, /fir G1'rmt~ 221 (G,nho!) 1985 .. 86 (G." em I) 198,.,6 AD, 100 millions couples have to be persu- 1,000 population with J60 eJiaibJe oouples. It aded to accept family limitation. bas been demonstrated in many villa.. that success is possible. The workina group of Seventh Plan bas I quote from tbe Sta&esmaa of January 2, determined that we have to achieve a sterili- sation equivalent of 43 millio')s during the 1984 : Seventh Plan period. If this is a result- Akhclpura village in dis- oriented Government, I requested tl)e Minis- 661n Sibr try to give serious thought as to bow we are trict, Rajasthan, all elilible couples loing to achieve this massive population of 60 houses ha~e lot themselves. objective. I submit that the programme sterilised." suffers from three majore deficiencies. Firstly, there is no proper functional linkage or suffi- There are many other Parivar KaJyao cient coordination between the four major vi 11 ages which are almost realising 100% aspects of the programme, namely propa- acceptance. The mass movement ror family ganda, person to person motivation, incentives planning at the grass root Jevel,. in my opi- and services. Each of 100 million eligible nion, can be link.ed with our efforts for lite- couples has to be taken from non-awareness racy, anti-dowry drive agitations and affore- to awareness and acceptance in an unbroken station, rural development and employment chain of action. This linkage is missing to a to provide the linkage with other on going large extent. Secondly, it is still a largely socio-economic development programmes of bureaucratic programme and no other evi- the country. The structure for Implementation dence is required for this than the paltry of the mass movement has to be built up amount of Rs. 1.5 crores set apart in the from the grass root to the block. district and Budget this year out of a total of Rs. 500 State level. At the national level, I propose crores. constituting less than 0.3 per cent, for that there ~hould be a population council the involvement of voluntary organisations. headed by the Prime Minister to oversee the The mobilisation of voluntary agencies has programme tnough, of course, the programme not been achieved to any significant extent at has to be implemented by the Health and the grass roots level. Family Welfare Ministry which \s the nodal Ministry, as family planning cannot be servIc- ed divorced from the medical and child health Thirdly there is tremendous under~utili infrastructure. sation of existing infrastructure. There are 75.000 family welfare centres and sub- All the elements of the family planning centres or facilities in the country, almost programme require qualitative improvernent- one million paid working-medical, para-medi- we are going to spend Rs. 12 crOfes this year cal village guides and trained dais and multi- for the mass media. Kindly set out of the purpose workers, ~ngaged in the programme. hackneyed structure of the mass media. Let us mobilise the very best professional and If one family plan nina centre is able to creative talent in tbe country as also the motivate one family in three days or one modem VCR. teJevision and other new worker paid from the exchequer is able to communication technology for mass media persuade one coupJe in 43 days to accept effort. Our incentive per sterilisation has family limitation. we will be ~ble to fully increased from Rs. 50/- to Rs. 150/- but stilJ achieve our Seventh Plan taraet. it is less than l/lOOth of the incentives that are given in countries like China. In China. for instance, there is su'bsidised housing and The key, to success in the programme increased stipend throughout the career of therefore, is organisation of a mass movement eligible couples who accept family limitation. and better programme management. There is need for massive training of the huge staff to improve their managerial and commu- At the village level, the Mahila Mandals, nication skills and attitutes. There is need youth clubs, teachers, village libraries, indi- for sufficient eq ipment for methods like genous medical practitioners and other charge )aperoscopy. We must even fabricate or alents have to be mobilised behind the pro- import sterile mobile units or modules wb\cb pamme. An avetaac Indian viJ~aae has only can live safe conditions for sterilisation ~d 229 De1f!ttl'lUl, ItW G,..,. CHAITIlA 26, 1907 (SAKA) ~ for GNIIII. 230 (G~nelfll) 1985-86 (Genlra1) 198j.. 86 ether .rv.ices in the remotest "illqes of the tadaos and who has also called upon persons Q)unuy. from all walks of life already to find ways and means to make the programme morc Tbere is allO need for a qualitative shirt mass-based and to improve proaramme in the programme to the spacing methods manqcment. which cover only 5.5% of couples now pro- tected. The importance of spacing methods Let us fervently hope that tbe next five is specially relevant for the purpose of pene- yean shall witness a tremendous upsurge tration of acceptance to the younger couples. in the family planning move~ent giving a powerful thrust to our national endeavour to I congratulate the Ministry for improving build under the leadership of Shri Rajiv the IUD performance in Copper T .. 200 the Gandhi, who is haviDg a second look and is streamlining all aspects of development pro- efficacious and widely accepted. IUD method acceptance of which has increased from 0.7 gramme in a modern, socialistic welfare State in our country. million to 3 million in the last two years. I request the Government to seriously consider SHRIMATI VYJAYANTHIMALA BALI manufacturing the required capacity of 4 (Madras South) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would million Copper.T annually within the country first like to begin by saying that health is as against imports under the auspices of tbe wealth and only a healthy man can be an public sector Hindustao Latex. asset to our society and to our country. What I also beseech the Government to imple- is health? It is not the absence of disease, but it is the presence of positive energy in tbe ment without further delay the US aided contracepti\'e Marketing Organisation Project. human body. This is a well-established fact that, when one is weak, one is susceptible to A word to ICMR to please speed up the various diseases, one can catch a disease tntroduct ion new technologies of contracap- easily and fast. One single factor in our diet tive the injectlbles and subdermal implants which keeps the resistance high is the protein- which will make a l)ea change in the delivery content in our food. Lack of protein it is and acceptance of family planning services. proved in medical science, leads to lowering one'c; resist~nce to infection. Such a vast country like ours, India, fared badly in the Sir. the Ministry should concentrate their Olympics not because we do not have good attention in four States, namely, U.P., Bihar. Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh. whose lack- talents, good athletes. Our critics have done the post-mortem analysis and have always IUl\tre performance is dragging the entire pro- thrown the blame on lack of training facilities, gramme down. Jack of good practice,J lack of tramed coaches. and so on and so forth. But I would say A word on population education about that it is mainly because of lack of stamina. which we have been talking so much. Even To reach that excellence, to reach that peak a fundamentalist Muslim country like Iran one has to be physically fit and one bas to bas compulsorily introduced family planning put in his or her best effort to reach that education in the higher secondary schools and excellence. The reason for our athletes not .colleges. We must introduce comprehensive coming up to the international standards is bealth, demographic and family planning lack of stamina; they get exhausted at the final education as the child grows and comes to stages. I would say that our team can do the reproductive age. well if they are physically fit; and they can come up to the international standards with A word to my fellow-Parliamentarians. I that electrical charge which brings the finish r~quest my fellow-Parliamentarians, irrespec- and enables the athlete to sustain physical tive of the party affiliation~ to raise our voice endurance for a longer period. if they have in unison and give our entire support for the the stamina, and this stamina comes from a pr~ammc in our constituencies, in the entire high-protein diet. natlOo. I can say that the diet of an average Finally, I welcome tbe initiative taken by Indian is sub-standard, lacking in protein and the HOD. Minister, Sbrimati ·Mohsina Kidwai, vitamins and making millions of our people wbo baa addrossec11ottcrs to all ParlJamon· sick. What is the cure 7 Not the costly 131 ~1(J''''' APlttl,' 16, 1M """.,. for GrtIIft. ( It is also a fact that due to fear of SHR[ CHIRANJJ LAL SHARMA: poor therapeutic effect, the good doctors of Any-way, Mr. Chairman. what I was going . Government hospitals do not use these drugs to submit is that the Government should of small firms available in their hospitals take note of all these things. Qn their famil ies and themselves. When I say this, I shall quote the doctors teHing Medicines are prescribed by the doctors me, 'Panditji, honestly speaking. when any or specialists. I personally went to the member of our family falls a prey to some Dispensary at Curzon Road. I said, the ailments, we get medicines from the mar- doctor at Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital kets and, not from the hospitals.' prescribed medicines for 12 weeks. The doc- tor at the Government dispensary. Curzon J had another bitter experience. J was Road said. "1 am helpless; I cannot give a heart patient. I was removed to a hospi- you medicines for more than a month; I tal at Karnal on 16th of December, 1984 have no powers". I .am living at Karnal. and later on I was removed to the Ram My coming from Karnal to Delhi, when Manohar Lohia hospital on .:!4th December Parliament is not in session, and -going back where 1 remained up to 25th of January. I would cost me not less than Rs. 300 if I have absolutely no complaint to make come by car. I said, "The doctor at the against any doctor. They were a1l good, R.M.L. Hospital had prescribed for a peri- but they were helpless. I was lying as a od of 12 weeks; why are you bothering me 1" patient in that hospital. Well, Calcigard He said,u Sir, I cannot do. I have no was not available in the hospital. I purchas- power to give beyond one month". The ed this medicine for Rs. 135/- from my result was, I had to come after a month 241 Demands lor Gf'ruII, 248 (General) 1985-811 again because 1 needed medicines. These are any time. Only the Patty has lOt the time. technical thin&s which the Minister caD look into. 1 did not want anything for any- SHRl eHIR-ANJI LAL SHAllMA: body else but for myself. These are matters Mr. Chairman,. I had tbe p,ivileae of being. towards which I witb to draw the attention a MinistcI for 5 years in HaIyana and PWD of the Hon. Ministers. Fortunately, both was under my cbarge. So, I have my of them are present here. finger on the pulse of the otlicialsjoffices of the Department. I know where the fault Then, I come to the medicines pur- lies. The CPWD oflkers/officials attached to chased from Super Bazar. The people at the hospitals care luppenllY for the Medica) the Surer Bazar say, medicine is not there. Superintendent or the CMO. It waa in the We have to get a non-availability certificate. month of December~ when it was biting cold,. One has to go from pillar to post from . hot water was not available in the Nursing. shop to shop to find out whether a parti- Home, Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital, not cular medicine is there. Why do you go for a day, but for 4 days. Being a patient. to Super Bazar '! I do not understand. I I personally called on Dr. Bhargava, tlle can say with confidence, may with sense of Medical Superintendent. He was good enough responsibility that we can get better type of to ring up the senior officers of the CPWD. medicines, standard medicines from other I called on Dr. Choudhary, CMO* He shops than from the Super Bazar Therefore took cognizance of the matter. But all this this restriction should be removed. was an exercise in futility. Officers and officials of the CPWD would come to my room and ask. "What is the trouble ?'. Mr. Chairmans, the thread that is used and I will say, "This is the trouble. I an) for stitching wound" just at the time of not getting hot water." After half an hOllr~ operation is of substandard quality. J am another batch of officers will come. Agam. saying this on the basis of personal another batch of ufficers will come. But to knowledge. My colleague. chaudhary Rizaq no avail. I rebuked them, h\Vell, ofiicers .. Ram, ex-Member of Parliament was operat- dear friends, you are not human beings. You ed upon at Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital. are heartless creature" These were the words Eight months have elapsed but his wound 1 used because I was a patient, I was has not since been healed. Only the other suffering and it was bi ting cold, and hot day, 1 happed to talk to him. J asked him water was not available. as to what is the trouble was? He told me that the thread that was used for stitching I have to make one suggestion in thi~ after the operation waso of substanda rd regard. The CRs of all the officers working quality. It has· simply sent a shudder into in the Hospitals should be countersigned by the core of my heart? I was shocked to the CMO or the Medical Suprintendent of know that in the standard hospitals where the particular Hospital with which they are Members of Parliament and VIPs are treated, attached so that they know that these senior substandard threads are given for stitching doctors could make adverse entries into their wounds. I would request the Hon. Minister personal files. That will bad to the efficient to kindly look into this .spect of the prob- functioning by the officers of the CPWD. lem as wen. They will discharge their duties and obligations with sincerity of purpose and "devotion to MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly wind up. duty" will become a maxim of their life. I know it. When.l was a Minister, this system DR. KRUPASINDHU BHO}: Mr. was introduced in Haryana when the reports Chairman, he will speak on behalf of me of officers of all the Departments used to be also. countered-signed by the Deputy Commissioner of the district because he was the administra- MR. CHAIRMAN: You cannot give tive answerable to the Government. Everyth- him time. Only your Party can give. ing became a II right. Coming to health and education .. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHO}: My name is in the list. But I will not speak. PROF. N.G. RANOA: Are you loing MR. CHAIRMAN: You don', have to another subject now? Why don't you 249 DerftGllds/or GtrIIItl CHAITRA 26. 1907 (SAKA) Demands 10' GrtilJll 250 (General) 1985-86 (General) 1985-'86 write it dONn and s,nd it to the Minister? He~ I consider it appropriate to draw the attention of the Hon. MinIster towards SaRI CHIRANJI LAL SH.ARMA: As the I.:orruption prevalent in hospitals, I have you plclse. But I want to say a feN words. no hest.tation in saying that even how MR. CHAIRMAN: You have already B.inaras Hindu Un.vecsity and Sir Sunder Lal taken more than 15 minutes. 1 am really H03pital are tho! two hospitals where doctors sorry; you have to conclude now. serve the pat ients with the utmost sincerity and devotion. But there are other medical SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: colleges where without charging money, Lastly, I would request the Hon. Minister to doctors do oot pn:scribe medicines dressers make arranaements for physiotherapy in dis- do not dress the wounds and compounders trict and subdivisional Hospitals. This do not administer injections without charginl is a must because nowadays spondylitis, extra money. The entire country is affected lumber spondylitis and cervical spondy- by this sort of c.orruptions. This affects litis have become so common that those poor people most who buy medicines patients have to make a dash v~ry often to by selling their uttensils. I would rcquest Safdarjung Hospital, Dr. Ram Manohar that these people who exploit the poor should Lohia Ho~pital and other big Hospitals. The be punished by the administration without only treatment that is prescribed is physio- any mercy. Diseases like Malaria, T .B., therapy. So, I have this suggestion to make blindness and leprosy have been brought to the Hon. Minister. It does not cost much. under the National Health Programme. In It costs at the most about Rc;. 1 Jakh. This addition, goitre, filarir, cholera and cancer will give relief to a large number of people are spreading in India very fast. These who have to rush to big cities for this treat- should also be brought under the National. ment. Health Programme. A cancer patient comes to know of his dIsease only at a very advan .. 1 had so many points to make but beca- ced stage. At that time it becomes very use of the bell that is ringing, 1 have to abide difficult to save his life. Government should by your orders. With these words, 1 support see that if in the district hospitals, the the Demand and I do hope the Hon. Minis- patients can':lot be treated due to lack of ters will look into the genuine grievances to equipments etc., then at least arrangements which I have drawn their kind attention with- should be made to diagnose Cancer at the out prejudice to anyone, without any sort of primary stage so that the life of the patient complaint against anyone, because Facts are could be sa\'ed. This arrangement must be facts and they must be squarely faced. made. Government in their report have [Trans fal ;0 n ] acknowledged that incidence of malaria dur- ing the past few years has increased and mos- DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI quitoes have not been controlJed. Fogain, (KhaJilabad); Mr. Chairman, Sir, I ~upport technique has also been adopted. FoggiDj is the Demands for Grants of the Ministry of done once io four months. But after four Health and Family Welfare and walit to con- months the mosquitoes breed again because gratulate the Health Minister for introducing there are no regular arrangements to remove a detailed scheme for extending medical faci- dirt and insanitation. Attention should be Jities to the rural arras also. In ,this connec- paid to this side. Everyone admits that our tion J would like to give certain suggestions. whole progress comes to naught because of For example~ there is a direction that life- increasing population. Every year a lot of saving drugs should be stored in ft"frige- money and staff are being provided for the rators. Government have supplied refrige- speedy implementation of family planning rators to all the Primary Health Centres in schemes. In this connection I would submit the rural areas but most of these refrigerators that there are couples who are ready to are either out of order or because of non- undergo operation even after the first issue. availability of power in the rural areas for If some casualty occurs and their child dies weeks together, these refrigerators remain off there should be some provision in the law to with the result that the life-saving drugs go help them in their old aae. The incentives waste. I want that the Hon. Minister should being siven for adopting family planning pro- make arrangements to ensure that these life- gramme should be further enhanced. For one savina drup do not go wasto. hundred seats in the Engineering and Medica 1 251 Demands /0' Grants APRIL 16, 1985 Demands lor Grant, 252 (General) 1985-86 (Generol) 1985-86 Colleges, fifty thousand applications are rece- that doctors do not want to serve in the vil- ived. I would suggest that the children of lages. Besides, hea Ith centres have been set the parents who adopt family planning up far away from villages aod there is total methods should be admitted to these colleges lack of ANM in them. The reason being that on priority basis. In service also, they should they are provided with residential accommo- be given priority. 1 would also say that the dation at places far away from the village Ayurvedic system of medicine had imparted and having no means of communication. medical knowledge to the whole world but There are no arrangements for supply of same system has been neglected in our coun- water and electricity there. No arrangements try. For admission to the M.B.B.S courses are made even for their security. That is candidates are required to be Inter Science why patients in the rural areas are deprived with Biology whereas fur getting training in of the benefit of medical attention. I would Ayurveda i.e. for admission to B.A.M.S. or like to say that Government should take allied cources, the mInimum qualification steps to improve the situation. Only then prescribed is Inter Science (Biology) with our family welfare programme could prove Sanskrit. I would al~o like to submit that to be a success. in a country like India, indigenous drugs should be encouraged because these have no [Engli.~h) side-offects, they are chea p and the Door can afford them and DR. V. VENKATESH (Kolar): Mr. Chairman, Sir, 1 would like to start with the 15.00 brs. universal truth, "If wealth is lost, something they will not have to dip into their is lost, but if health is lost, everything is savings, I request the Hon. Minister to make lost." According to the W.H.O .• health is a special provision for this keeping in view the state of complete physical, mental and social economic condition of the country. well- being and not merely the absence of dis- eases or deformity. I have yet to raise several points, but as you have rung the bell [would restrict my- One of the fundamental rights of every self to one or two important points. I would human being, irrespective of the race or reli- like to point out on the floor of this august gion he belongs to or the political belief he House that infectious diseases are taking an holds, is to be ensured a good health. Owing epidemic from in the entire country. The to several factors like Jack of health-consci- main cause is the tumblers in which water is ousness. low per capita income, lack of ade~ served in hotels. A T.B. patient, a person quate education, non-availability of proper suffering from V.D. and leprosy patient drink sanitary conditions and safe dnnking water, water from the same tumbler. The tumblers unhealthy social taboos. etc., it has not been are cleaned in cold water and again water is possible to secure good health for all lndians. served in them to other persons. These tum- Though we have eradicated plague and small- blers carry germs of these diseases and heal- pox, various other diseases like cholera, mala- tby people also get infected by them. In this ria, leprosy, tuberculosis, blindness, filariasis way. infectious diseases are soreading rapidly. and several other diseases have not yet been The second cause rcspon~ible for the spread contained. of these diseases is our telephones. which are used by all types of persons. It is a serious There is a wide prevalence of insanitary matter and it should be studied in depth so conditions in urban and rural areas. The pro- that the spread of these diseases could be vision of protected water supply and drainage checked. I would like to say that the earthen is totally inadequate. Even after so many pots should be used in small hotels to serve years since we got independence, the women. tea or water, They can be destroyed after use. to answer the call of nature, have to go to In big hotels. tumblers must be cleaned with open places where there is no privacy. The boiled water or water mixed with potassium food consumed by the average Indian is both permanganate so that these diseases could be insufficient and ill-balanced. checked from spr~ading. The curative and preventive health services Sir. ill the end I would like to submit are totally inadequate. At the time of iode- 253 Demands/or Granl8 CHAITIlJ\ ~6, J 907 (SAKA) Demands lor G,.,IS 254 (General) 1985-86 (GeMral) 1985-86 pendence there were one doctor for every Mal·nourished mothers give birth to unheal- 6,300 people, one nurse for every 43,000 thy infants and have problems to 8;dequateJy people, one health visitor for every 4,00,000 nurse them. Such infants often die. When people and one mid-wife for every 60,000 they lose the infant, they go in for further people; there was only 0.24' bed for every pregnancy. Thus women in poor families 1,000 people. But even after independence; conceive quickly and that diminishes their the position in respect of doctors, nurses, occupational and economic status. Repeated health visitors, mid-wife and provision of pregnancy not only increases the population bed hal not sufficiently improved. but exhausts the mother and weakens her bealth. Hospitals and dispensaries, particularly is rural areas, are grossly insuffident, and About 50% of the pregnant women in the quality of service is very poor. Today India suffer from nutritional anaemia in the we have fai Jed to provide adequate medical last 3 months of pregnancy. The number of care; we have failed to provide all consultant pregnant women adds up to 23 millions every laboratory and institutional facilities for pro- year. An estimated 76% of them are from per diagnosis and treatment. rural areas. The probJem of nutrional ana- emia among expectant mothers is thus more pronounced in the countryside. They have failed to provide all consult- ancy, laboratory and institutional facilities for proper diagnosis and treatment. They An effective prophylaxis programme to have failed to serve the rural population of prevent blindness due to vitamin A deficiency the country who are very much ignorant and among the children in the age group of 1-5 poverty-stricken by providing mobile dispen- is very much needed. We should also have saries to remote places. a maternal and child health programme to bring down the present high rate of morbi- dity and mortality among mothers and child- The Government has not taken up any ren. In this direction, the Government of efforts to unify and integrate the organisa- Kamataka has given certain economic bene- tion at various levels. The eradication of fits to pregn(tnt women in the last 3 months small pox, malaria, filaria. tuberculosis and of pregnancy in order to keep mother and leprosy should be taken on an intrgrated child healthy. I request the Government of approach both at organisational and treat- India also to provide in the same manner ment levels. The burning problems in the certain economic benefits to women of weak- country in the field of health are tuberculo- er sections throughout the country. sis, leprosy, malaria, filaria and over-popu- lation with malnutrition and high infant I come from Kolar district which is very mortality and blindness. In this regard the backward. It has no sufficient water even for government is not taking enough preventive drinking purposes and is periodically visited measures. by drought. In recent years the outbreak of Japanese encephalitis is very common. The The Government is eager to have mod- KFD (Keshnoor forest disease), a deady ren industries without checking the pollution viral disease causing permanent disability is hazards. The country is having insuffici('nt causing much disaster to the rural population food supply and there is more adulteration in Karnataka. The Hon. Health Minister has in food materials supplied causing more not taken any note and no specific measures and more incidence of cancerous conditions. to manufacture vaccines to fight these pecu- There are not adequate diagnostic facilities liar diseases have been taken. and treatment institutions to serve the rural population of the country. Every time our heart beats there are ap- proximately 2 more births than deaths. The In the field of maternity and child health world birth and death ratio is 29 and 12 res- women generally suffer from the worst form pectively for every 1000 people. Thus we of malnutrition, especially in poor families. are living in an age of population explosion. Men are given the first claim, children the If the present rate of population growth con- second claim and the mothers the last claim. tinues, it would tak~ only 12 1/2 years to add 255 Demands lor Grant' APlUL 16, 19B' D'",4ndJ /01 Gl'tlIIIa 256 (General) 1985·86 (GeMral) 1985 ..86 one more billion to the world population. At side hospitals and dispensaries and maJprac- sunrise on the 1st day of the next centuty tices increse in the medical profession. there would be at least 6.2 billion people on this planet, each sharing an area of 0.02 sq. In order to conta in these maladies the km. India being in the second rank in popu- Hon. Minister for Health has not come out lation explosion will suffer the worst. with the proposal of nationalising the medical profession. I propose to provide a minimum We all went to give a better life, for our pay of Rs. 5,000/- and ask the doctors to women, a better life for our children. There serve the suffering population in the rural areas, providing housing facilities etc. There are 3 basic improvments needed in the lives of women which ha ve a direct inft.uence on by the Government can also check the 'brain the infant mortality rate and healthy growth drain' which is a menance to our developing of the children. 1. More nutritious food for country. the women during the crucial time of pregnancy and breast feeding and for children I conclude with the universal truth that during the weaning time. 2. More choice for "prevention is better than cure." the women to decide about the sile of their families and the interval between the births. PROF M. R. HALDER (Mathurapur): 3. More education to increase women"s access Mr. Chairman, Sir. having got the privilege to vital information. to speak on the health budget I would like to support this budget becau~e this budget is The Government of India have not taken matured by \-ery healthy statistics. I have gone specific measures in this direction. 1 want the through the booklet which is published by thiS Han. Minister for health to have some specific government, namely, National Helth policy programmes to achieve these aims. and also the Report of this department for ]984-85. I have gone through these books Then, Sir, regarding incentives for family intutively which follows that the policies and welfare, to make a worthwhile dent on the the steps taken by this gcwernment are praise- population control, the government has not worthy. It fonows from the Report that thi.., come out with any package of incentives government will try to instal primary health considering the shortcoming~ in the family (...-entres and subsidiary health centre~ and welfare performance over the years. It is high subcentres in different areas of OUT country time that the Government adopts a minimum with certain norms. national action programme on incentives suc" as cash incentives for couple undergoing terminal It is written for 30.000 population one method of family planning. Special benefits for primary health centre would be constructed voluntary opting for one child should be and in some special cases like scheduled tribes given. Special increments should be given to areas and hill areas there are some conces- those who are worl,.ing and opting for one sions. Where there are 20,000 people one child. Allotment of houses, loans at lesser health centre and where there are 5,000 people interest, leave and travel concessions and one subsidiary health centre will be formed. I income-tax rebate, reduced electricity and would like to draw the attention of the Han. water tariff for those adopting the small family norm should be considered. Minister to the fact that I am coming from Mathurapur Parliamentary constituency which is in Sunderbans area which is most neglected Special efforts should be made to provide since Independence. I have already written to jobs for women on a pay on par with that the Hon. Minister regarding health problem~ for men. We should train more women to be of that area. I wonder whether any parallel teachers and technicians. We should have to the type of problems faced by our area is metllods both for men and women and available in our country. In Sunderbans there cootraception should be the responsibility of are seven to eight Islands and each Island is the family. at least ~eD to fifteen kilometers away from the headquarters. Then there are the areas Our doctors are underpaid and as a result from where if a patient is taken in an emer- they are goins abroad for a better life and gency to the beadquarters it will take 3 to 4 fa~nlties cal¥ins~. more vacancies in country- hours. Since Independence tbe people of 251 Dtmtontb for OrtMts CHAItllA 2&, J9tJ7 (SAKA) Demo"tI" lor Grantl 25. ,(Gt!II!IYI/) 1985·86 (General) 1985·86 SQRdcrtsans have been neglected from tbeir those ingr«iients for manufacturing life .. savina health point of view. medicines as a result of whjeh poor people are not getting the needed life-saving medi .. A little while ago OAe of my friends from cines. So, my suggestion is., Government the Opposition said that there should be should take necessary steps so that Govern- coordination between water supply and ment itself may import these ingredients of envirolUllf'u pollution department. life-saving medicines and supply them to aU the companies, big as well as small, so that I agree with that proposal. A few days they may manufacture the essential life- alO, I put a question in this Parliament and saving drugs. Regarding the prescription I got a reply from the Minister in charge of of mediciens. the WHO has cautioned that a Housing. In the reply it was stated that in few medicie,li are back-datC'd which are not the year 1984-85, Rs, 12 crores of money only harmful but also have adverse effects. was refunded by Weit B.!ngal Government to These are being prescrihed by doctors in this the Centre. What is it due to ? It is due to oountry alt hough they know these things fuJly the inefficiency of the Government of West well. Bengal, They have not been in a p.)sitlon to maintain the other charges so that the money In this context, I would like to draw the could be spent. I am of the opinion that attention of the Hon. Minister so that she there should be correlatioa between this may take nece$sary immediate steps to stop Department and W.tter Supply Department using those medicmes in our country. Other- along with Environment Pollution Depart- wh.e they may have adverse effect on the ment. But at the same time I would be patients. congratulating the Hon. Minister if something is done to the people of the Sundarbans area. In this connection, I would also like to People are not only suffering from water request the Hon. Minister to do something for problems but they are suffering from many the people of Sunderban areas in West Bengal other problems. because the pe\.""ple of those Islands who will be constituting not less than 15,000 or 20,000 Here I would like to point out another deserve special care and attention of the very import3nt matter. It is known to every- Health Minister and the Health Department. body that most of the Blood Banks are I also take this opportunity of inviting the situated in city areas. But what about the Hon. Minister to visit my constituency so that people of the rural area '1 It is known from she may be in a position to know the condi- statistics thal majority of our people are living tion of the people living there, especially in in rural areas. A peasant who is seriously the matter of health and sanitary conditions injured or in disease needs blood. But for in those areas. My friend. Shri Sanath Kumar getting blood he has to 10 to a city which MandaI is also representing the Sundarban is about 100 miles away or 200 miles away areas. On beha If of the people of my area, I from the rural area. My suggestion to the would' again request the Hon. Minister to, pay Hon. Minister is this. In each sub-divisional a visit to my areas so that sbe will bo in a hospital there shQuld be provision for keeping position to get the first hand information blood. There should be blood banks esta- regarding the health conditions th !re. With blished in each sub-uJvlslonal hospital. For these words, I support the Demands for X-Ray. the peasants have to g~ to cities only. Grants of the Health Mini~try. There are no provisions for X .. Ray in the rural areas. I wish to suagest that in each SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI Primary Health Centre there should be provi- (Bhadrak) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rbe to sion &Dade for taking X-Ray. support the Demand~ for Grants relating to the Health Ministry. Sir, it has been very well I wish to,tell the Han. Minister something stated that 'Health is wealth'. A well-fed healthy about life-saving drugs. It is known to every- people are the greatest national asset because body that there are so many ingredients by human beings are not only the end, but also which. mcc.iieiaes are manufactured. Tbose means of all economic developments. Human ioifOdients ue imp0lted from outside the welfare and efficiency go together. Healthy C()UI)~Y.. There 8R so many agencies in our people are the- greatest national asset, To fJOMt.,.~ Only a fe.. companies are import ina acbieve this, we all should have a joint effort 2S9 Demands lor Grant' APRIL ]6, 198' o.mand. for Grants 260 (General) 1985·86 (G6MTol) 1985-86 to enable the citizens to live in a healthier . health. This could be done by campaigning and better life. It is no doubt that the through different media in the remote areas. Government is quite aware and the Govern- ment is taking every step relating to family The modified plan of operation for control welfare as also medical health care services, of malaria was conducted during 1984-85 by preventive measures, curative measures, etc. which the incidente of malaria has declined A sizeable fund has also been allotted for from 6.5 million in 1976 to 2.18 million this purpose in the recent budget provisition. cases in 1982. The national filaria control 1 am sure that in the coming five years, our programme strategy to tackle the problem Goverument win no doubt achieve its targets of rural filariasis is in progress. The infant and endeavours. mortality rate which was at the level of about 127 or above for a number of years Sir, first of all, removal of malnutri tion is has declined to 114 in 1982. More the biggest step in promotmg health of the attention should be given to reduce this rate people especially children and expectant more rapidly. In this connection, 1 request the mothers. I know that the Government is Hon. Minister to appoint village health guides aware of these problems and taking effective to every additional prima ry health centre for steps for a promotive, preventive, curative better health promotion. This \\ ill remove the and rehabilitative health care for mothers and social stigma which bas crept in our society children under 20- Point programme. We all since a long time. have accepted that an medical cases/ preventive methods should be adopted and priority Much has been said in regard to our should be given to this aspect than curative family planning programme. The rapid growth measures. But practically what we arc domg is of population has been one of the greatest that we continue to aJlocate 80% of the allo- impediments in the way of improv mg the cated resources to curative aspects. So, unless standards of living of OUf people. Ever since malnutrition is abolished, drinking \\ ater, the dawn of the era of planned development sanitary amenities are provided, housing for in 1951, the Government has been treating the poor is improved and basic health educa· population as a central issue for the natIOnal tion is imparted, no amount of hospital and developmental effort. In developing countries drugs is going to help. In this connection, I like India, the high fertility can outstrip the request the Hon. Minister to initiate and take efforts to faster prosperity, It W8'!1 in recogm- determined action to strengthen preventive tion of this fact that India launched an measures for promotion of public health. official family plannig programme to promote declille in birth rate. Government has taken it up boldly, and steps have been taken to No doubt. the Health Ministry is taking ensure public involvement through a massive steps for controlling major diseases like TH. programme of educational campaigns and leprosy, small pox, malaria ete, which are publicity. mostly confined to rura] areas. These diseases are there in these areas, because there arc no The mass media particularly Door hospita]s with proper facilities to take care Darshan and AIR are bemg utilised for the of these people' The Governmet is also taking motivational campaign. Spacing, methods are necessary steps to carry out cataract operations encouraged as much as terminal methods on a large scale by providing financial assis- and the two childred family norm is now em- tance to voluntay organisations in order to phasised for the implementation of this pro- check blindness, which is found mostly in the gramme. In this connection, I would request remotest corners of this country. Government the Han. Health Minister to keep a vigilant . is aware of it and taking necessary steps in eye on the adoption of this programme even this behalf. in the remostest areas where it is needed much. Then, faciJities for cancer diagnosis and tcatment have been developed in almost all Besides, I would like to refer to the major hospitals in the country. But instruc- health conditions prevailing in my State. tion and sugcstion should also be given to the Our State Government bas projected a sum people side by side to remain free from alco- of Rs. 12,399.00 lakhs for the Seventh Five holic drinks which are most harmful to the Year Plan and Rs. 2408.00 lakbs for Annual 261 tJ.mands lor Gnlnl8 CHAITllA 26. 1907 (SAKA) Demands lor Grants 262 (General) 1985-86 (General) 1985-86 Plan 1985-86. But the ceiling for the Seventh Since ISM and homeopathy systems of Five Year Plan bas not yet been received treatment are getting more popular in the from the Planning and Coordination Depart- State day by day, the Government of Orissa ment, in the absence of communication from has suggested that 126 homeopathic dispen- Government of India. saries, 126 Ayurvedic dispensaries. 25 Unani dispensaries and three hospitals-one Ayur- Now I want to discuss the suggestions vedic, one Homeopathic and one Natura- of the State Government as to how far the pathic-should be established. For this Workins Committee has recommended for purpose, the State Government has projected the developmeat of health and family wel- a sum of Rs. 1016.82 lakhs and the Working fare in Onssa. Committee has recommended Rs. 500 lakhs in the Seventh Plan. So, I would request the First of all, the sugg':'ition was to estab- Ministry to allot more funds for establishing lish 100 new Pnmary Health Centres, 25 the above mentioned hospitals and dispen- upgraded PHCs, constroJction of 300 sub- saries. A vigilant eye should al))o be kept (.)0 centres and convers,lOn of 39 Ayurvedic and the sanitary conditions and maintenance of Homeopathic dispensanes in the Seventh the hospitalc; and operation theatres. Arrange- Plan period for which a sum of Rs. 1657.17 ments should also be made;: to supply free lakhs wali proje:.:ted. But the Working Group medicines to the poor and needy patients has recummended the establishment of 50 who cannot purchase costly medicines from new PHCs, conver~ion of 450 rur.11 dispen- the outside market for their treatment. These saries into PHC~, cOllstruction of 500 ~ub poor people, who arc not able to maintain centres and conversion of 42 sub-divisional their families with their earnings, how will hO'ipllals and 135 community health centres. they be able to purchase the medicines from They have recommended Rs. 3402.00 lakhs the outside market? So, more attention for the S.!v~nth Plan period and Rs. 675.00 should be paid to poor people from back- lakh~ for the year 1985-86. I would request ward areas, where especially~ Scheduled you to go deep into the matter and see that Caste, Scheduled Tribe and backward classes more allocation of funds be sanctioned from people are Jiving. the Centre for the implementation of the programmes immediately. As Orissa is a I would like to mention another most poverty-ridden State and the general health pertinent problem of Orissa. The State has condition of the people is worse, more care always been affected by natural calamities and initiative should be taken for the since long. At the time of these calamities promotion of health, by providing more like flood, drought etc., the distressed people accident units in National Highway Hospitals in the interior areas are not getting medical additional b\!ds in district and sub-divisional facilities due to which very often, they are headquarter hospitals and construction of staff losing their lives. Quarters. 15.35 brs. Secondly, as per the requirments of the Government of Oris~a. the State (Jovernment [SHRI SOMNATH RATH in the Chair] has projected a sum of Rs. 3410.95 lakhs for medical education and Rs. 30 lakhs for Taking this problem into account. J research work du.ing the Seventh Five Year would request the Central Government to Plan. For this. the Working Group has sug- implement a permanent programme by which gested Rs. 700.00 lakhs for medical education the age-old problems may come to an end. and research. But Orissa medical colleges and research institutes need more modem, In conclusion~ I welcome the National scientific and sophisticated hospital instru- Health Policy's goal of 'Health for All by ments for further research. 2,000 A.D:. I am sure that under the effective and dynamic leadership of our young As there is no medical research institute Prime Minister, we will definitely and in Orissa, I would request the Hon. Health without doubt be successful in fulfilling our Minister to establish a centrally sponsored aims and objectives. Thank you. research inst,itute in Orissa, especially in , Bh\lbaneswar. DR. C.P. THAKUR (Patna): Sir, I 261 D~mands lor Granl6 APalL 16, 1985 Demtmd, lew Gra"" 264 (Ge".,tll) 1985-86 (Ge".rai) 1983 .. 86 thank you for giving me this opportunity to well imagine tbe fate of the institutions speak on the Demands for the Ministry of governed by the provincial Governments. Health and Family Welfare. I congratulate the Government for reducing the import Here, I will sugest that there should be duty on Linear Accelerator and Magnetic a yearly quality assessment of all medical Resonance and other vital sophisticated colleges in the country. Otherwise, we will equipment. But here, I would like to give a produce sub-standard doctors, and people suggestion: there should be a provision also. will say that possibly, the Department wants that when thes~ instruments are purchased, to do family planning in a roundabout way. the company which gives these instruments So, tbe standards of education should be should give a guarantee for the supply of improved. There should be some quality spares and repair facilities for at least five control among the medical colleges. years. Otherwise, in most of the institutions, such costly instruments become junk. I would also suggest that in each State, at least there should be one hospital which Secondly, I also congratulate the Govern- should be a complete hospital, provided with ment for reducing the duty on intermediates all facilities-at least one in eac~ State. If which are used in the manufacture of possible it should be financed by the Centre. Refampicin, a drug which is used in the In Bihar. there is no single institution. except treatment of tuberculosis and leprosy. Here, the very old Mental Hospltal in Ranchi, I would like to mention that in the treat- which is financed by the Centre. That is all. ment of tuberculosis, we start with three There is no institution worth the' name in drugs. This is very costly. So is the case the health sector, financed by the Centre. I with leprosy. I sugge~t that Govenment suggest that the Indira Gandhi Institute of should either heavily subsidize the treatment Post-Graduate: Madical Educa tion and Re- of these two diseases, or there should be a search should be taken over by the Centre. free supply of the medicines to the patients. and it should serve as an apex body for the Otherwise, the patients cannot afford to whole of the State of Bihar. continue the treatment. They leave the treatment, and then they develop drug resistance. I ",ould also mention that the Indian Council of Medical Research under the Ministry of Health has taken over one very By our sustained efforts, fertility rate has big institute, viz. the Rajendra Memorial 1;>een reduced, life expectancy has been _increa- Institute at Patna; but they are doing noth- sed and mortality rate has also been reduced. ing there. But. here. in the booklet given by the depart- ~t, it is said that with the increase in life expectancy, we are now going to face the They are not able to appoint a Director problem of old age. i.e. geriatflcs. There is in the last 4-5 years in that Institute. So, I no mention in the book about how to tackle thmk that Institute also should be developed the problem of geriatrics. into a very good research institute for tropl~ cal diseases. Now I come to the question of medical Health education in India has not been education. It is very unfortunate that the standard of medical education in this country given proper auention. If we want to achieve is going down. No less a person than the health for all by 2000 A.D .• then we have to Chairman of the Indian Medical Council lay more emphasis on health education. In has openly said to the Press that the standard this programme, doctors, para medical staff of the health, retired persons and health of medical education is going down in this country. The reason for this is not far to guides should be involved. Priority should seek. The educational institution controlled be fixed and many of the programmes of family planning, prevention of diseases, im- by the Centre. viz. Jawaharlal Nehru Insti- tute of Post-Graduate Medical Education munization, etc. can be propagated through and Research at Pondicherry is under the this health education programme. threat of de-recognition by the Indian Medical Council. If that is the fate of a Cen- Now. comina to the family welfare pro- trally-controlled institution. then you, can very Irarome, I do not know bow they have liven 265 Demand, lor 0,.", CHAITRA 26. J907 (SAKA) Demands lor Grantl 266 (Gnwral) 1985--86 (GeMra/) 191;'5-86 this nam, to this programne. What welfare proved by research that brain develops more to th: family is done by this Department 1 during intra-uterine period and in early part Now, at least some pers~ns from the Depart- of infancy. So, you must provide adequate ment, after the marnage of any cO\lple, protein to the mothers, to the children in the should 10 to the couple and e xpiain about early part of their 11fe. So, there should be the family planning, their advantage, etc. some food po]jcy for the prevention of sub- Last year, I was doing a survey and I found development of nerveus syst;)m including that still women were coming with 10 brain and also for the prevention of protein children. 11 children, 12 children and even an<..l energy mal-nutrition and deficiency 13 children. I can say about my province disease and also prevention of heart disease that except in a very highly educated family, in the elderly age group. So, the government people don·t think about family planning should come out with a food policy for tbe unless they have at least four children and whole nation. that too two sons and two daughters. 1f they have four daughters, then they will go on Some of the life saving drugs are not producing children till a son is born. So, available smce years. One drug is busulfan; that is the state of affairs there. I suggest this is for the treatment of chronic myeloid here that more propoganda is needed in thls leukacima. The patient runs from pillar to system also. In that family welfare program- post to get this medicine and they spend a me, the government is providing two pills and Jot of money; still they do not get it. So, these pills contain very high concentration all the life saving drugs at least should be of oestrogen; and after the modern research available in this country. The Minister of it has been found that if we give high dose Chemicals and Fertilisers has said that the of oestrogen, that would produce breast Government is going to have a drug policy cancer and cervical, and cardiac vescular soon. There should be a drug policy accord- diseases. So, I think the governmet should ing to the necC'ssity and priority of our take nOlC of it and see that these pills should country. In our country infc:ctiollS disease not contain that much concentration of is \ery common. The infectious disease oestrogen. should be given priority in formulating the drug policy. Coming to eradication of diseases, in that paper, there is no mention about eradi- [ Tans/arion] catio., of kalaazar. There "ere t\o\o questions recently in Parliarnent--one from Bihar M P SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH and another from Bengal MP- saying that (Jahanabad) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, ,today wF Kataazar is rampant in that pa'rt, Jf a proper arc having discussion on an important and scheme is funded by the Central Government, ba~ic problem. Everybody knows ,that our then this disease can be eradicated by spray- country's population is 70 crore 40 lakh ing DDT. IOday and the number of hospitals has not increased in proportion to the increase in ICMR has been doing reaserch on population. 1 would like to say something anaemic in pregnancy. I think this govern- about the existing hospitals in the country. mc:nt at least can do one thing. they can Today, two types of hospitals are functioning supply free iron tablets to the prognant iQ the country, that is, the government hos- ladies; that itself will serve a big purpose in pitals and the private hospitals. The condi- our society because so many women die tion of the private hospitals is better than because of anaemic problem during pregnancy that of the government hospitals functioning and during delivery. They lose a lot of in the rural areas and the district hospitals. blood during delivery and they die because of Why is it so? The reason is that it is the that; and that anaemic control programme affluent section of the socjety whicQ g~ts will go a long way in improving the life ex- treatment in the private hospitals. These pectancy of the women in the country. hospitals are run by those doctors who are employed in other hospitals. People are In spite of many years of freedom. we lOSing faith in yOUl hospitals. Today, SO per have not evolved a food policy. Every cent of our ~le are Hving below the government should evolve a food policy poverty line. When they 10 to hospitals for especially in Out country. It has been now treatment, they do not act m~dicines tbere 267 Demands lor Grant! APRIL 16, 1985 Demanth lor Grant' 268 (General) 1985-86 (G.nera/) 198J-86 also. I have seen that patients have to pur- there in Bihar. The poor do not get medici- chase even bandages, what to say of medi- nes there. The doctors are being appointed cines. 1 am talking about the Patna H.,spital. at the same place where they reside. They Patients have to purchlse ba.l dage from are earning money by doing private practice. outside, what to say of tho! availability of I f you want to improve the situation there. medicines th.!re. Y)U say [Iut mejicmes are YOll will have to ban private pra(.tice. Every supplied in hospitals fre~ of cost. Where do year the situation is discussed and would these medicines go? You Wilt have to answer continue to be discussed. But the situation it. The poor die in th~lr houses without is getting worse day by day. Government medical treatm!nt and th~y die In hospitals are receiving various suggesti ons from here. also. You must pay attention to this aspect. These suggestions wHl prove beneficial You will have to see to what extent ml!dical only after the shortcomings have been re· facilities have been provided to the poor moved. Only after that, we shall feel that people and whether sub-standard medicines Government have given benetlt, to are being supplied to them. Sub-stand.lrd the common peopJe, of the suggestions medicines are purchased becau~e the dealing which were given to them. But it officer gets commission. Besides, the agents does not happen so. Nurses have been of drug manufacturers offer ~amples. wh lch on strike for tne last several days In the are approved by your offic~rs and mcdll.:ines Lok Nayak Jaya Prakash Narayan Ho~pltal. are purchased from them only. These sub- In fact, their demands are not-so significant. standard medicmes can even cause death of Government have conceded some of their the patients. Today, people are dyin6 due demands. De!"pite that, the officers concer- to non-availability of medicmes or due to ned are not fulfiling those demands. Who sub-standard medicines. It is a slur on the is suffering on account of thIS stflke? The Government of a country when: a large sec- oflicers are not following Government's tion of the people die either without medi- orders. Government should conduct an en- cines or due to sub-standard drugs. We shall quiry to find out why their orders are not have to think how we are to remedy the being implemented. Patients are being put situation. There are many doctors in Bihar to great difficulties. Government shou'd pay who have passed their examinations but are attention towards it. Bihar Government had sitting idle. Government ~hould remedy this appointed Sunil Mukherjee Committee. Thl~ situation. Committee had submitted its report to the Bihar Government in which the Committee So far as family planning is concerned. a had recommended the setting up of a medi<.:a] lot of amount is being spent on this pro- college there, The said report has been scnt gramme, but tbe result has not been com- to the Central Government. But the Cent- mensurate with the expenditure. What are ral Government have not accepted this re- the reasons for that? I belong to a rural commendation. We want the Central Govern- area. I have come to know tbat the employe- ment to reconsider their decision and accept es ~re warned that if any of them is not able the suggestion of the Bihar Government for to achieve the target, his services would be the sett:ng up of a medical college in Bihar terminated. They aive the names of' those so that more and more people could get the people who have already undergone sterilisa- benefit of medical treatment. tion operations. On paper, it b shown that so much work has been done in a particular SHRI MADAN PANDEY (Gorakhpur) area, but the reality is somewhat different. Mr. Chairman, Sir. tlr5t of all, 1 would like That is why this programme has proved a to congratulate the Hon. Minister that in thl.! failure. A hous..! to house compaign should Budget proposals of the Ministry of Hea1th, be initiated to educate the people that incre- an attempt has been made to provide medi- ase in the country's population is respon~ible cal facilities in the rural areas. Though the for the deteriorating conditions in the country. intention is good, yet there may be short- We have observed that even the poor are comings for one or the other reason. While taking to family planning whert:ver the family congratulating him I would like to draw his pianniD8 programme has been launched. attention towards these shortcomings. ~ shall DoctOR do not work properly in the rural take up family planning first. A lot of pub- hospitals. Bihar tops in every respect. All licity is made in respect of family planning, the evils can be seen in Bihar. I do not If emphasis is laid t on its implementation besitato io saying that all kinds of evils arc aspect, I feel it will prolVC more successful be· 269 lJMtantb lor Grtml8 CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Demands lor Grall" 270 (General) 1985-86 (General) 1985·86 cause an atmosphere bas been created in its pathy is gaining popularity these days and favour. Both the rich and the poor in the the children of aU the M.Ps. want to receive' country have now realised that if population Homeopathic treatment. It is a matter (If is not controlled and jf family planning me- shame for us that the Indian systems of medi- thods are not adopted, our country will ~lide dne are neglected and Ayurvedic is becom- backward. Mr, Chairman, Sir, we are facing ing extinct in a country whjch bad produced a di~ulty in this regard. I read in the medical practitioners like Dhanvantari and newspapers one or two days back that now Lukman. 1 he Vaidyas are nghtly blamed for deluxe Nirodhs are also available. Now a such a situation. Previously, pathological situation has developed when Nirodhs ha~e tests were carried out by simply feeling the also been categorised. While drawing the pulse, but they did not train their disciples attention of the Hon. Minister 1 would like in this art. I would like to ask Government to submit that tbe atmosphere of categorisa- what they have done for the development of tion created in other fields should not be the cheap Indian systems of medicine? I allowed to be created in respect of Nirodhs agree that your intentions are very good, but, and family planning. for the plesent atmosphere and situation, we al1 are responsible to great extent. I A serious situation has been created in would like to submit to the Hon. Health our medical field that owing to mismanage- Minister that like Allopathy necessary alloca- ment people have almost lost confidence in tions should also bo made for Indian systemlll the Government hospitals, In Delhi you will of medicine, whether it is Homcoathy or see that the number of private nursing homc~ Ayurvedic aT Naturopathy. You should ex- of course not of the sile of All India Insti- plore the vaidyas. No expert ~'aidya would tute of Medical Sciences is increasing. You come to you to ask for a job \\ ith the quali- will see a great rush in them and people are fication~ which you have prescribed for them having more amI morc faith in them beC£luse rather you will have to look for him. of betlt!r facilities. I feel that capitalism has You will have to honour them and ask them started entering the mcd ical field also. While to do researeh work for the de"elopment of drawing the attentjon of the MInister, I the lndian sy~tems of medicine. If you do would like to say that Government must take this, you will find that you would not have to steps to change this trend and he must touch spend billions of rupees on ftealth. Drugs (hi", point whiJe replying to the debate. and medicines worth billions of rupees are being imported in the country from abroad. Every Hen. Member of this House has ex- Dhanvantari and Hakim Lukman used to pressed concern about spurious drugs. How be guiding stars for our medical practitioners. much helpful could you prove ill the efforts When we see the country's budget, the Hon. Mmister deserves commendations, in so far to check such spurions drugs? If you ,take steps to eliminate such activities, you will find as other things are concerned. a definite change in the situation. But, at the same time, I would like to submit that Allopathy should not be im- I would )ike to mention one more thing posed on us as the English language has in this regard. ) had raj'\ed this matter been imposed. The Indian system of medicine, under Rule 377 also and this matter is re- is recommended everywhere but out of the garding the mosquito menace. Three fourths total allocation of Rs: 537 crores in the bud- of the diseases in India are caused by mos- get for the year 1984-85, only Ra. 29 crores quitoes and flies. have been earmarked for the Indian systems of medicine. It is a matter of serious COD- 16.00 hrs. cern. A meagre sum of Rs. 29 crores would be spent for the development of Indian sys- In New Delhi you have controlled mos- tems of medicine which includes Homeopathy quitoes and flies, but in Outer Delhi, this me- Ayurvedic, Yunani and other system of medi- nace is still there. The menace of mosquit- cines. All of them have been providee1non(Is lor GTQfIt, 274 (a-.ral) 198J-86 (General) '198$-86 salt should be made available aCC()r.ding to (Trans/ation] the requirement in the rural areas and it should be cheaper than the ordinary salt. The Bhore Committee report .aoes on t,o say that keeping in view the ma.anitude of I would like to speak about private the popul.ation in villages, we sbould foc.us practice also. Private practice is allowed our attention on villages. But, what in Bihar. It Is an open secret that all tbe happens? You may be straight forward. Government doctors are doing private but the officials of the Health Department practice. If private practice is stopped all are not straight forward in their statements. of a sudden, it is not going to solve the pro- Instead they conceal the truth. The fact blem. This is the situation there. Once remains thaf the allocation of funds to the earlier private practice was banned in Bihar, Health Department is very meagre. If you but the situation worsened instead of im- have a look at the plan allocation of this proYing. There are I8(\() beds in the Patna Department, you will find that in the First Medkal CoJlege Hospital, but the number of Five Year Plan~ the allocation was 4.5 per patients is not less than 3000 or 3500 on any cent of the total plan lJullay, in the Fourth single day. Patients art' found lying on the Plan it was 2.9 per cent and in the Sixth Plan floor of the ho~pjtal. We wanted to improve it was further reduced to J.9 per cent. Thus, the situation by banning private practice; but its allocation has successively decreased. the situation could not bl! improved. Private Then. how do you hope to achieve health for practice has. to be bJllned in phases. When all jn future? Even now, at least 3 crore people would understand the situation, it people in the country are such that they do could be abolished. not have proper arrangements of latrines in their homes and one crore people carry their In the end, 1 would like to express my night soil. A British women journalist had thanks to the Hon. Minister and support passed a remark which was very very shame- these Demands. ful that India was a big latrine where people eased themselves here and there. This is the SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali): situation of the country and you teU us that Mr. Chairman, Sir. the Government of India the health of the countrymen will improve. have formulated the National Health Policy They make' big claims but conceal these recently, in which it has been said that health things. You just think why these things are for aJJ would be guaranteed hy 2000 A.D. concealed. A very good message has been given. AI) the people w~u)d then have good health. But, at present, 50,000 persons die of tetanus This report makes a beautiful presenta- whether they die in the hospitals or outside tation. Its cover is very beautiful. The the hospitals. Similarly, 25.000 persons die of proverb "much cry 1it~le wool" cQtDes true Diphtheria and 3,300 persons suffer from here. On tbe face of it. tbe book gives a whooping cough and 30 lakh children fall very good look, its cover is so fine that the victim to night-blindness every year. hand slips over it, then why read it? They claim that your average age by 2000 A.D. 16.10 hrs. will be 64 y~ars. I askt what your average age is tuday? Why do they not reveal it? [SHRIMATJ BAS.-\\'\'A RAJESHWARI in The average age even in small countries is the Chair]. 70 years, You take the case of Mongolia, One crore people in the country are blind Morocco, Jamaica. Compared to which c..ountry is your average age high The even today. Their numb~r goes on swelling. '1 How is it that even today 16 lakh people in rate of mortality in Sri I.anka is 3 per cent. two lakh villages do not get potable drinking What about you? When you quote figures, water.... (Inler/uplIOns) . . Let it be 14 lakhs you select in countries \\ hose figures are low and you project them. What do you propose The sHuation is so grim. The report sub- mitted by the Bhore Committee .indicates to feed us with when you say that by how schemes are formulated. 2000 A.D.. our· average age wi 11 be 64 years ? I ask what the average age is today. You (EpgJi,hJ are not telling about 1984·85, but you say that it will be 64 years by 2000 A.D. This If 'India 1ives in village!, the focus of is bow you present the figure and mislead bcattb·care should be'the vitlag •. the people. But, your departnicnt cannot 215 Demands lor GI'flnt8 APRIL J 6, J98' Demand! IDr Om"t, 276 (G~'lerQI) 1985-86 (General) 1985-86 escape the sharp eyes of the people. Have [Translallon] you ever heard, where your medicines are sold? An these hospitals are dens of This is the report of your Estimates corruption ..... (Interruptions). This is written Committee; you just go through it. They have in your book. The Estimates Committee of also dwelt on the health policy. You say that this House has said in its report : the funds are not allocated. Its very first chapter reads : [English] (English] "Medicines amounting to Rs. 1.34 crores in 1978-79, Rs. 1.18 crores in 1979-80 apd Rs. 1.60 crores in 1980-81 "It was thoroughly discussed • " were purchased direct by Chief Medi- I do not know whether it was discussed. cal Officers in the various cities where "Hospitals and dispensaris for providing medi- CGns is in operation, without any cal relief to the people perticu)arly in rural check whatsoever. That there was no areas were grossly insufficient and quality of approved testing house in Patna .•. " service was very poor." [Tran."lation] (Tran slat ionl Patna is very famous. Those belonging to Palna do not even hang their heads. The You make w!ld claims of the achieve- report goes on to say: ments to be smadc by the year 2000 A. D. I would say that they raise such hopes for (English I the future that the disease and the patient both may remain alive. This is the speciality "No check was made in Bangalore of the Health Department that the di~ease and either, even though approved testing the patient hoth shoul d remain alive. They hOl1<;cs were there. The direct pur- have said: chases made there amounted to Rs. 41 lakhs in 3 years. This is 'Eng/ish) negligence of a high order which deserves to be condemned." "In Health Dispensaries, there was only [Trans/ation] 0.24 bed per 1,000 population:' You may condemn them as you like but I Translatio111 there doctor.:; purchase sub-standrd medicil1es. And what is the situation with regard to the system of issuing medicines. A member of Such is the situation. What can be dis- cussed on thjs policy? In the 20-Point Pro- Parliament was sayingt in connection with the gramme also, you have stated that you will services of your C. G. H. S. inthe viJ1ages that eradicate leprosy. But how are you going to he had to make rounds far a month for the med icine. It further says. do that? That by time, many more lepers will join the fl>ld. You read there policy [English] further: "From the memoranda received and This is the answer given to me on 15th the evidence beard by the Committee, March, 1984. it appears that perhaps the weakest and the most criticised area of CGHS "The Working Group set up by the is the present system of dispencing Government of India._" medicines. Medicines are not readily available; indented medicinaes take a MR. CHAIRMAN: Please try to few days, sometimes up to 7 days, to conclude. arrive; .. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : This Quality of medicines does not inspire comes under la-Point Proarammc in which confidence. " you arc very much interested. Tho proerammo 277 Dtwttnfds /or Gf'tJlltl CHAITIlA 26, J 907 (SAKA) IHIIIII1Ifh lor G,flIIlI 278 (General) 198J-86 (General) 1985-86 is. 'Leprosy Eradication by 2000 A. D.' If [English] you want me to conclude··· DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO (Siddj· pet) : Sir, in our country the system of MR. CHAIRMAN: We have to conclude medical care is mainly through tbe complex the debate today. of the State-owned Primary Health Centres and hospitals in rural areas. The heart of SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: This is India ties in villages. Majority of the Indian a long answer -I will not read it-where population live in villages However, 80 per they say thlt the Leprosy Act should be cent of the doctors arc: concentrated in cities amended and all that. whereas 80 per cent of the people live in villages. Health refers to the state of comp- You would have read in the papers this lete physical, mental and social well being news-item that blood is sold. These are the of an i ... dividual. For this, it has to be ade- headlines: "Terrible life of blood traders". quately attended by preventive, curative When the Government is trying for voluntary and promotive health services. The donation, it should ban professional donation basic unit at the rural level which otTers or at least the professionals should be these services is the Primary Health Centre. licensed. The majority of these Primary Health Centres in Ind:a are run by a single doctor. A single [Translation] doctor cannot provide preventive, curative and promotive services to a population of Bldod sellers keep standing outside the more than one Jakh. hospitals for selling their blood, If preventive measures at the PHC level are perfectly exercised. we would not have AN HON. MEMBER: What will happen this lot of rush at big hospitals. Most of the to blood suckers ? diseases are due to lack of preventive mea- sures. We still find dysentery outbreak, den- SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : This gue fever, malaria fever, etc. The most im- will be answered in the next age, not in this portant problem in rural India is blindness. age. We shall also be guilty of that. Those To day we find 9 million people are blind who support by remaining mute are also and 45 miJIion people have impaired vision. guilty. Such is the situation prevailing in the Why? Because most of them have vitamin country. I do not know how you are going to A deficiency and other vitamins defficiency. achieve your family planning target. Today, you are not in a pOSition to achieve your Not only this, we have got a number of target. There are no proper arrangements infectious diseases like TB, leprosy and so in the hospitals. An Hon. Member was just many other diseases. For. TB particularly we now saying tha t as many as three patients have got no sufficient resident hospitals after were kept on one bed. Is it so that out of the giving the preliminary line of treatment. three, one belonged is C. P. I. (M), another The second line of treatment of TB which to C. P. I. and the third to somC4 other includes rifamin and pyrajinamide is very party? Such is lh~ situation in the hospitals costly and our people cannot aflord it. They today. The only remedy for it that we should are not manufactured in our country. So 1 not read books. I request you to pay surprise request the government to make these medi- visit to hospitals and then the whole position cines within our country. will be before you wnich otherwise does not find place in the books or reports. This situa- tion Js not reflected in your speeches and Then we still find serious outbreaks of 8isurances. You kindly pay visite to the tetanus, epidemics like meningitis, infective hospitals and have an ass.=ssment to the hepititis, cholera and so on. Specially in entire situation and make your speeches accor- cholera preventive immunisation is also inade- dingly. Neither preventive measures nor quate. You still find polio myeletis, diphthe- protective measures are being taken in the ria and tetanus. hospitals. Then, Sir, in rural India we find most Witb these words, I conclude. patients come for snake-bites. The anti-venom 219 Demands ,,,, (ira"" APlUL' 1', 1'" Dmtalllls for Gnrnt, • (Gt'trerQ/) 1985·86 (~/) 198U6 sera which is used in treating snak.e blte is [TraJLllatloIJ] not available in all PHCs4 I request the Minister to see tbat the antivenom sera is 16.32 brs. availabJe n~t only at the government hospi- tals but also in the market for the beneHt of THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND private medical practitioners who also treat FAMILY WELFARE (SHRIMATI MOH- these cases. SINHA KIDWA]) : Madam Cbainnan. 1 am thankful to all the Han. Members who have The basic structure, the basic unit which expressed their views on the Demands for provides services to rural India is the PHC. Grants of the Ministry of Health and have But the PHe is looked after only by one also given some good suggestions, A num- doctor. But every year we are turning out ber of Members have participated in this de- 17000 doctors and 10,000 specialists. In spite bate and this is a proof of the interest of our turning out so many doctors, we are evinced by the Members of Parliament in not able to provide medical facilities for our this Mmistery. They have particularly drawn rural india as our doctors are not willing to the attention of the House towards the lack go to rural areas and they prefer to go ab- of facilities and other shortcomings in the road because of better pay and other facilities rural areas. I am very greatful to all of and our government is also encouraging them them. to go abroad by not giving them employment here and by not giving them more incentivec;. So far as the question of health is concer- So I would like to request the Government ned our hospitals, doctors, nurses and medi- of India to provide more incentives and other cines also are linked with it. Many Hon, concessions like house and rural allowance Nember~ have said in theIr speeches that the and better salary etc. so that we cad retai n preventive aspect of disease is more impor- them here and can give a better service to tant than it~ cure This is absolutely correct. our rural people, I think to be healthY does not rnc.iO only to be free from a disease, It means that we Then our Primary Health Centres are not should be mentally and physically fit beca ulie in a positIon to give a comprehensive medi- it IS only a healthy person who can he a cal care at the primary health level because good citizen of the country. In t he Seventh the PHCs are not having not only qU(11ified Five Year Plan, empha~l~ has been laid on doctor'> but there are no specialists ]ike radio- there things, I.e., food, productivity and work logists, micro-biologists and pathologists and, I think, productivity in directly linked A single doctor has to do the clinical inve\jti- wiLh health, Unless a person JS completely gation of the patients. He does not have the healthy, he cannot work properly, Therefore, other suppurting investigation hands and as I am of the view that as 10na as we are such, the patient does not receive the proper not completeiy b~althy, the country cannot treatment. With the result the patients do become healthy and the developmental not get cured and they come to urban hospi- works Ii nked with health cannot be executed tals. ]n the urban hospitals also there is lot properly. of rush and one finds the patients lying in • varandabs and also on the ground. There is My sister Dr. Kalpana Devi, sitting on lot of rush both in the urban and rural that side, has said that many immunisation hospitals. To meet this rush we have to programmes in the rural areas are not imple- increase tbe number of doctors. The poor mented properly. Many of one colleagues people are suffering like this whereas the have said that medicine arc not available in well to do and those who occupy high posi- the Primary Health Centres. If we go by tions are funning abroad for treatment. what Shri Daga has said, he has even'given Most of these well to do patients are atten- up hope, which sustains life. ded to by doctors of Indian origin. ) find no effort is being made to retain these well qualified doctors here. I, request the go- I would certainly like to learn from aU vernment to take necec;Ciary action to retain that has been said in the House. I -would tbe well -qualified doctors in India and also also like to make a mention of the reapeetive provide medical aid to the poot people. views expressed by many of our Hon. Mem- Thaok you. bers. 281 INffIIIIII/'/(Jr" a",." CHAITl\A 26. 1997 (SAKA) Dema"p, /0' GT4IIII «(kMf'III> tQl'~ (General) lP85-86 The Budget allocation for our Minstry in death rate in our country was 47 per thou- the Sixth Five Year Plan W~S Rs. 2,831 sand and the birth rate was 48 per thousanJi crores. We have sought an allocation for and the djfference was just marainal. Sub- Rs. 9,866 crores in the Seventh Five Year sequently, afrer independence~ with the Plan. Tlae Seventh Five Year Pli~n has not spread of education, health facilities ~lso bct.n finalized yet. So far, we have been spen- increased, and there by we could reduce our dina three percent of our total budget on death-rate significantly. We have controlled health. If we get an allocation of Rs. all the epidemic diseases like p1aaue, smaIl 9,866 crores, our ex.penditure on health will pox and cholera. The result is th~t our come to 5.S per cent, We have to depend on death-rate has come down. But it is true that thc size of the allocation made for health. the decline in our birth-rate has not been as By the time the Seventh Five year Plan is Significant as the decline in death-rate. This finalised, a picture will cm~rge before us as has resulted in an increase in growth rate and to how much money we have been allocated India is the first country which bas paid under different heads. attention to the family planning. In 1930 when other countries bad not even thought There are two fields of activities under of it, Karnataka took initiative in this'direc- the Ministry of Health. One is Health and tion and .,tarted a clinic for this purpose. the other is Family Planning. There are a Since then, this programme bas been coins 00. number of programmes under health, such as In 1935, whc'1 Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru be- the Malaria Eradication Programme, the came the Chairman of the National Planning National T.B. Control Programme, the Committee, he gave this programme the ut- National Blindness Control Programme. 1h;! most importance and asked Government to National Leprosy Eradication Programme as implement this programme. When Shrimati also drug control. Goitre Control is also Gandhi be\.4me the Prime Minister she set under it. Apart from these two departments, up a full-fledged Department which could we haVe" a third wing for research work. All look after this programme. \Ve .::an check these Departments constitute our Health the death-rate by providing medicines and Mimstry. treatment and by creating awareness among the people but so far a() family planning is First of all. I would like to speak ahout concerned. it is a personal matter and in this Family Welfare. ] am glad that so far as personal matter we arc trying to mould the the work of Family Welfare or Family Plann- feelings of the people by educating them, ing i~ concerned, all our Hon. Members be- motivating them and by establishing person- longing both to the ruling party and to the to-person conta~t, A few years back. un- opposition have said that we should speed up fortunately. the family plann'ing programme the work of arresting the growth of our was given a J'oliticaI colour and it was said population. J feel happier when Hon. Mem- that the Government was ~doiJ' this work bers from the other side also insist upon this with a particular motive. I wapt to say, and programme. I would like to congrat:.Ilate all 1 have no hesitation in saying'this. that dur- the Memhcrs for that. Really, this programme ing that period of three to four years, this is very necessary and it is in the national in- programme in India had been pushed back terest. I would like to say to the Members by many years. Today, we feel happy that we of both the sides that we should think and have such a big infrastructure. With the express our views on the programmes which Alma-Ata Declaration, we have created an are of nationa I interest by rising above party infrastructure here which is quite good. politic~. I think the bigcst problem. of our There wi11 be a sub-ccntre for a population country today is to arrest the population of every five thousand, Primary Health Cen- growth. tre for a population of 30 thousand and a Communjty Health Centre for every one lakh But the Health M inistey cannot work in population. It is our endeavour, and this is isolation on such programmes. The Health being done also, that in each Community Ministry is seeking the cooperation of the Health Centre there should be S to 6 specia- GthQI Ministri,s for these programmes. As lists, c.g., one Gynaecologist and S other some of the Hon. Members have rightly doctors, who may look after the health of POint~ out, we sbould seck people·s partici- the people of the area. In a Primary HCldth pation and this we have done. About its Centre, three doctors are posted. Just now _arooess you will ace that iQ 1911-1921, the Shri Pandey referred to the Indian System of 283 Dtmflnds lor Grants APRIL 16. 1985 lHmands/or GI'flPIII 284 (G~ne'QI) 1985-86 (General) 198j-86 Medicine. We have written to the State do not say that there should not be any Governments that out of the three doctors, criticism, but the good deeds should also be one should be of the India sy~tem of Medi- appreciated. You should be aware of the cine, may be a Vaidya, Hakim or Homeo- dIfficulties of the field workes, mid-wives and path. I want to tell you all this because by other persons working in the Primary Health 1990 our infrastructure will be complete. In Centres. 20 per cent of our people live in the Seventh Five Year Plan period, we have cities and 80 percent live in villages; Our proposed 50 thousand Suh-centres and 10 plans are prepared accord ing to the size of thousand PHCs for the whole country. This the populat ion so as to ex tend them the infrastructure is expected to be completed by facilities to which they are entitled. For that 1990. Our efforts are that doctors. midwives cooperation of all of you is solicited. We and ANMs may be posted there. Shrimati require the help of the voluntary organisa- Kishori Sinha was saying that the cond t,on tions, the Members of Parliament, and the of the PHCs was bad and another Hon. Legislstors as well. The Members of the Member had complained that ANMs and cooperatives, the Panchayats and the District Health Guides remained ab~ent. I agree that Councils should also come forward to help. at certain places they may he ah~ent. May I think our programme can progress only be they have some personal dHflcultics. Under when there is people's parth: Ipation. The the Health Guide Scheme, a population of need of the hour is to push this programme one thousand js covered They are not posted forward. As 1 was sayrng, we have chalked from outside. Villagers propose their names out a universal immuni7atIOn programme and they are appointed by them. They are fer the expectant mothers and the children. not paid any salary. They be long to the We have decided that by 1990 all the children village concerned and arc give R~. 50 as up to the age of one year and the expectant honorarium and Rs. 50 for mldicincs to treat mothers should be immunised agamst all minor ailments. We have tried to Imple- those diseac;es which cause death of thousand.;; ment a universal immun 'zatlon programme. of children. At the time of birth, the child- Some arrangements have been made for ex- ren arc affected hy tetanus, re!:>piratory pro- pectant motherl> also. Dr. Thak ur had sug- blems and dlalThoca. Tilt now five protec- gested that they should be provided with sup- tive injections of Tetanus, Whooping Cough. plementary medicines, like folic acid, iron, etc. Diphtheria. B.C G. and Po) 10 used to be For your information, I would like to tell given to the children. Now we are adding you that we have a scheme for this purpose. one more injection for measles. We shall be Alongwith famjly planning programme, we g1ving these six injections to them upto 1990. give importance to mother-and-child care In addition. the expectant mothers Wilt also also, because to my mind it IS necessary to be immunized, Iron, Folic Acid and Vita- run the two programmes simultaneously. mins are also given to them. Vitamin 'A' These can not be separated from one another. IS also being givf'n to the children to prevent For a healthy child the mother must a Iso blindness. I cannot-give all the figures at be healthy. The mother should know ~lbout the moment due to paucity of time, the in- the precautions to be taken during pregnancy. fant mortality rate is coming down gradually. It is quite necessary that she is given educa- Shri Daga was saying that instead of talking tion about such things, because the future of of 2000 A.D. we should talk of the present. the new generation is linked With the educa- 1 want to tell him that our figures give us a tion of women. It is the duty of all of liS to lot of hope and we should hope that the educate expectant motherc; about the pre- plan we have formul(lted would be imple- natal and post-natal requirements and about mented. At present, the birth rate is 33.6 child care. per thousand. I am giving you figures for 1983. Tbe death rate is 1).9 per thousand. The infant mortality rate which was 114 in It has rightly been said that infant morta- J 980, came down to 1 10 in 1981. This lity rate is sufficiently high in Jndia. On the shows that the programmes we have taken in high side. just now Shri Daga was saying that hand are bringing the figures down. This the Health Ministry held out so many hopes gives the hope that our infrastructure will be to the people. I think it is the foremost duty of a further strengthened. It was said that the doctor to infuse the will to Jive In his patients. doctors did not go to the rural areas. If we say to a patient tbat he will die very soon, be will not live even for two days. I It is true that the doctors do not want 285 Demancb/cw Gran" CHAITllA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Demantb lor Grtl1ttl 286 (GeneraJ) 1985-86 (General) 1985-86 to be posted in the P.H. Cs. wilingly. You of science and technology in our educational know that the Finance Commission has sanc- and other programmes so that they may be tioned an allowance of Rs. 400 for those helpful In a:hieveing our objectives. doctors who ate working in rural areas, Rs. 250 as rural allowance and Rs. 1SO as rent A complaint has been made abou one of our for residential accommodation to those who National Programmes, i.e. the Malaria Eradi- have not been provided with government cation Programme. There are no two opin- quarters. At present the number of midwives ions that in J965 we had a few malaria cases. is five lakhs. Simifarly. the number of Health But now this disease is again on the increase. Centres is more than four lakhs. The pc:rsons The State governments and the Central working in sub-centres include A. N. Ms., Government share the expenditure incurred' etc. We are determined to complete our in- it, on SO-50 basis. Now, w~ have made frastructure by 1990. arrangements P.H,Cs., for blood test. The test will reveal whether the patient is suffer .. Mentiun has been made about the short- ing from malaria or not. I would like to tell age of medicines in P. H. Cs. In my view you that other factors are also responsible for it is beCduC)e of the increac;e in population the spread of malaria. Industries are growing that everything is in short supply. At present rapidly in the country. Agricultural produc- an amount of R~. 1,02,000 is being spent on tion is al~o increasing. The growth of indust- one P.H.C. by way of m.!dicines, etc. by bOlh ries gives rise to insanitary conditions which the Central and the State Government~. lead to brceding of mosquitoes on a large and, as you know, 5 to 7 sub-centres fall under scale. This is the main cause for the spread- the jurisdiction of one P.H.C. We have been ing of malaria. very successful in implementing the Govern- ments programmes in this regard. In order It has been stated by the Members from to aeh icve greater success, it is necessary to both sides of the House that there is short- change the edu.:allon policy, as has been sug- age of funds with the State governments. But ge-.ted here. I would like to ten you that it is also true that we cannot function wjth- during our school time our syllabus included out the help of the State governments. 50 the two subjects of Ba~ic Hygiene and Basic percent expenditure is to be borne by the Health Education al<;o. This was particularly state governments. It is the responsibility of in re"pect oi girls edu~ation. We are trying the State governments to ensure timely sprays. even now that such subjects are included in If three sprays are undertaken in time, there 6yllubu". is no reason why the di~ase could not be contained. Our Malaria Department is fully alert and it gives regular warning and pro- Just now~ an Hon. Member from the vid~s help in such cases. Efforts are made to other side, perhaps Shri Satya Gopa), was ensure timely sprays and the supply of medI- saying that the Government were paying cines in the highly endemic districts or areas. more attention towards colour T.V. and So far as Malathion is concerned, it is sup- Vedio than to the rural health schemes. I plied to:the State governments by us and we would like to make it clear to him that now meet the cost of that cent per cent. T.V. is not merely a means of recreation; we also want to educate the masses through T.V. Similarly, mention was made about We want to impart education to the people leprosy. It is unfortunate that out of 12 through T.V. Our network programmes cover million leprosy patients in the world. 4 a1most 75 per cent population of our country million patients are in India alone. Only 20 and we want those people also to learn some- per cent cases are infectious and. with the thing. From these programmes, they can learn modern medicines, we can mal(.e them nOD- some basic things. inrectious with in a period of one and a half weeks. The patient can get his treatment at People from other countries are going to home also. At present, the problem is that tbe Moon and the stars aDd science and the people approach us when the disease is tecbnololY are rmakina repid advancement. an advanced stage and as such their treat- We should see how we ~uld use that know- ment takes time. It is a social evil in our ledle in our life and make the people bappy. society and it is detected late. With the We should see how we can make the best use modern medicines, we have been a.ble to live D~nds /0' Gmnt~ APRIL 16, 198~ lk11fands /(J1' Gmnll 288 (General; 198j·86 (Gen&a/) WBj-86 the patient treatment at his hcrre itself. I I would like to say something about would like to tell you that the total number 1CMR. OUf doctors worked with dedif;~tion of cases detected is 33.4 lakhs. We have given at the time of the Bhopal tragedy. They have treatment in 33.1 lakh'5 case~ and th: number done a commendable job. of patients discharg.ed is 19 lakhs. There may be some variat:ons in the figures but the Chaudhry Sahcb from Bihar was saying point to be noted i<; that the programme., something about the three hospitals. He ref~r undertaken by as are proving more and more red to the All IndIa Institute of Medieal successful. Sciences. Somebody made a reference to the Safdarjung Hospital while others to the Dr. A lady Member has referred to TB con- Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital. Shri trol. T.B.patit'nts are generally found at places Ch'ranji Lal Sharma referred to the Dr. where workers live in sman and dirty houses. Ram Manohar Lohia HospItal. I am sorry Efforts have been made to provide spu' urn that he had to fa~e some difficulty about test arrangements at every PHC so tba t getting medicines there. But 1 would ltke to we could detect the T B. patients, in the say that there are doctors in ('Jur co.mtry country and give them immediate medical who have earned a name in the world. They treatment. have earned a na me for their country on ac- count of their professional excellencc. We have opened sufficient number of hospitals, medical colleges, Ophthalmic de- In Tamil Nadu there is an Apollo Hos- partments and mobile clmics in the country pital where re~idcnt doctors from abroad for the control of blmdncs~. Thel c arc 80 have started all the department". You will be mobile units. which do cataract operations surprised to know that Dr. Coo';e is a world every year. Similarly, thi~ fadlity is available Icnowned doctor, who is expert in open heart in 2000 primary health ~entres and 404 d ist· surgery and hiS success is 98 per cent. In Ollf rict hospitals. We try to ensure that cotaract Apollo Hospltal alo;o they have been success· operations are done there. full In 97 per cent of such cases. It is the Indian doctors who are performing such op- I am of the view 'that the children erations. should be given immediate treatment as they have to live a full life. Old persons manage The Medical Institute was set up in 1956 their affairs ~omebow but if a child loses his It does not mean that it should function like eyesight at an early age, his whole life is ruined. an ordinary hospital. Efforts are being made to save children from blindness. Efforts should be made from both 17.00 hrs. sides. The mother should also take care to save the child from blindness during preg- The purpose was to make available all nancy and after the ohild is born, he should facilities with high level exp~rtise under one be vaccinated so that he could be saved from roof. But the Medical Institute is functiomng this disease. like an ordinary hospital. If it functions like an ordinary ho~pltal. i.e. if patients ~utfenng Diarrhoea also causcs death of children. from ordinary ailmtntb like bad cold, etc We are also trying to popularise household are admitted to it. it Will not be ahle to pro- remedies, i e., rice water mixed with salt and vide specialised services. MeJicdl facilities jn sugar can be given by mothcr~ to their child- rCl'Ipect of cancer and cardiology are available ren to save their lives. with u::; today. We are provldmg funds for them. Within a period of one year we have Mention bas also been made about goitre. been able to undertake such operations and It is a fact that the incidence of goilCe is on as a result the people are getting great relief. the increase, Iodized salt is a must for its Cror~ of rupees are being spent on those treatment. We are trying to expand our plants. who go abroad for health surgery. We 'Should We propose to give subsidy to tho~e who set save this money and pro'Yide mote facilities up $ucb plants. We propose to produce only with that money to our doctors. It will in- iodized salt during the next plan so that we crease tMir skill and our people wm .et more could get rid of this disease. facilities. 289 Be"".., ,lot GrtIrIlI CHAlTIlA 26. t907 (SAKA) DMNIIIth lor G,."" 290 (GftWm/) 1985-86 (General) 1985·86 Shri Vyas was saying that the ordinary ,were speaking, and our colleague, Vyjayanthiji people did not get admission to the hospitals. was also speaking. j want to tell them that we have launched a ten week Family Planning SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VY AS : Big campaign. I would like to remove the misgiving people will aet admission even if they are that it is our intention that jf any State gets suffering from cold. But the poor people suf- the award. this six week award would not be fering from serious diseases are not able to given to that State. The work done by any set adm iss ion • . State during the period from March 1984 to March 1985 would be examined. The SHRIMATI MOHSINA KIDWAI : That period of this ten week campaign would not ouaht be so but it is not that the poor people be added to it. Secondly. you feel that tbe do not get admission at all. The average work of family planning should go on contin· number of patients in O.P.D. of the Ram uously. but four months. of tbe summer Manohar Lohia and Safdarjung Hospitals is season out of 12 months has not to be coun- above 3000. Their bad-strength is 1200 and ted in our country. If four months of the I SOO to 1800 and patients are always there in rainy season arc also not counted should we the hospitals. work only for the remaining four months? This programme for ten weeks has been They do not turn away any patient. You launched so that the people could be accust- omed to work throughout the year. The cases may tell me what could be the other aJter- native except putting the patients on the of sterilisation could be Jess durinl this floor. but we do not refuse to take any pa- period of campaign. About the summer season, it has been said that operations tient and we do not turn him away. should be done in an operation theatre and people should be educated and motivated It is also correct that there are two pa- to adopt other methods for spacing. For all tients on one bed. When there is a contin- such thing'), a ten-week campaign has been uous flow of patients, what dse can we do ? launched. No specific targets have been fixed At the pace at which the population is grow- for this campaign. In this campaign the State ing today. the requirement is not gOing to be Governments have been asked to focus their met even if the entire Delhi is turned into a efforts on family planning and on speeding hospital. up their activities. 17.03 hrs. Some Hon. Members have asked what [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in tile chair] is being done by the I.C.M.R. I would like to tell them that many experiments are being Until referred hospitals are set up in conducted there. The most commendable Delhi, the huge rush of patients would con- thing is that research is going on to find out tinue in the Safdarjung, Lady lIardinge and an injectible drug. One of the drugs can be Medical Institute H~,spitals. There is such a injected and will be effective for one year to huge such that, despite efforts, one or the one and half years and the ~ond meth04 is other shortcoming remains. I agree that of embedding a tube under the skin. Res- sometimes medicines arc not available and earch is being conducted on both of them. people have to face difficulties, but I would Exreriments are being conducted on about not agree that nothing is being done and all 1500 women and very good results have been doctors are useless. I would agree to the obtained. We should hope that these would factual position and would make efforts to also succeed in the next one year or one and meet the shortage ... (InterruptIOns) a half years anp the injection would prove to be effective for a period of three to five SHRI NARAYAN CHOU BEY (Midna- years. Good research is going on in this pore) ; We do not get medicines. direction and good results would be achieved through it. SHRIMATI MOHSINA KIDWAl: I would like to tell Choubey ji that our health Mention was also made about the blood should be ill such a good condition that banks. Vyjayanthiji had also referred to it. there may Dot be any necessity for medicines. During the Seventh Five Year Plan, we want to increase the facilities of blood banks lust DOW our friends from Tamil Nadu mental health and dental health. One of our 291 Dmwnds for Grant' APRIL 16, 1985 DemandJ lor Grallts 292 (GenCfra/) 1985 .. 86 (Gen,ral) 198$-86 friends was saying that people sold their other is at Ghaziabad, where 21 States are blood to the bl:>od banks. At certain provided with testing facilit!es. These facili- places, such things do happen ties have to be mereased and we have writ- ten frequently to the State Governments and AN HON. MEMBER : This is going on asked them to direct the Drol Controller and a t every place. his entire staff to test the drugs thoroughly. Licensing policy has to be made more strin- SHRIMATI MOHSINA KIDWAI : It is gent so that spurious drugs and sub-standard not a fact. Fifty per ccnt are donours. When drugs could be eliminated and the difficulties people go to tne An India Institute of Medi- of the peopJe could be reduced. cal Sciences, they are asked to supply a bot- . tIe of blood of their fflends aDd relatives. It With tlJese words. I thank you all once means that it is not available there on com- again. mercial basis. Donors donate their blood voluntarily. It is very difficult to store It and [English) utilize It. We are makmg efforts to provide more facilities of blood banks and to provide MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I shall now this facility to more and more people. But. put all the Cut Motions moved to the as it becomes very difficult to store It and Demands for Grants relating to the Ministry utiliSe it after a certam period, this work of Health and family Welfare to vote together would be increased gradually. I hope during unless any Hon. Member desires that any of the Seventh FIve Year Plan, we would be his Cut Motions be put separately ••• l now put able to increase this facility. all the Cut Motions together to the vote of the House. Some Members bad made a reference to drugs. Some friends have said that the drugs All the Cut Motions were put and negatived. which are banned in foreign countries are being prescribed in India. But it is not that MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I shaH now the drugs which have been banned In all the put the Demands for Grants relating to the countries are being pre~ribed here. There Ministry of Health and Family Welfare to are many df1lgs which have been banned in the vote of the House. two countries or four countries, but in our country we do not preseribe any medicines The question is : without consulting the High Power Experts Committee. 38 drugs have been banned ID "That the respective sums not ex~ding other countries. Different countries have ban- the amounts on Revenue Account and ned different drugs, but our Experts have Capital Account shown in the Fourtb said that out of those six banned medicines. column of the Order Paper be granted medicines are less risky and are not harmfu1. to the President out of the Consoli- These six drugs approved by them are being dated Fund of India to complete the prescribed in our country. We have selected sums necessary to defray the charges six out of tbose 36 or 38 drugs. drUas that will come in course of payment during the year ending 31 st day of Members have also spoken about sub- March, 1986, in respect of the heads stant\ard and SPUrIOUS drugs. I would like to of Demands entered in the second say that mo"t of the drugs are purchased column thereof against Demands Nos. from I.D.P.L. which is a public undertaking. 43 to 45 relating to the Ministry of The Drugs and Cosmetics. Act has been Health and Family Welfare." amended recently to make it more strin- gent. At present, ."ing facilities are avail- The Motion WIIJ' adopted able only at two places-one is at Calcutta and 293 Dmtatr4s /0' G""". CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Dmulnds /0' Grtml.f 294 (General) 1985-86 (General) 1985-86 Demands for Grabts 1985-86 'n respect of Ministry of Healtb aDd FamUy Welfare ,otell by Lok Sabba No. of Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Amount of Demand for Grant Demand Grant on account voted voted by Lok Sabha by the House on 25th March, 1985 2 3 4 Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. 43 Ministry of Health 33,3 J,000 1,66,58,000 and Family Welfare 44 Medical and publ ic 52,67,88,000 17,90,53,000 2,63,39,41,000 89,52,70,000 Health 4S Family Welfare 18,94,33,000 1,86,33,000 4,44,71,65,000 9,31,67,000 Ministry of Irrigation and Power on the Notice Board shortly. In case any Member finds any discrepancy in the list, he 17.72 brs. may kindly bring it to the notice of the officer at the table without delay. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House will now take up discussion and voting on Motion moved : 6emands Nos. 63 and 64 relating to the Ministry of Irrigation and Power for which "That the respective sums not exceed- :,ix hours have been allotted. ing the amounts on Revenue Account and Capital Account shown in the Hon. Members presnnt in the House Fourth column of the Order Paper be whose Cut Motions to the Demands for granted to the President out of the Grants have been circulated may, if they Consolidated Fund of India to complete desire to move tbf!ir Cut MOlions, send slips the sums necessa ry to defray the char- to the table within fifteen minutes indicating ges that will come in course of pay- the serial number of the ,Cut Motions they ment during the year ending 31st day would like to move. These Cut Motions only of March, 1986, in respect of the heads will be treated as moved. of Demands entered in the second column thereof against Demands Nos. A list showing the serial numbers of the 63 and 64 relating to Ministry of Cut Motions treated as moved will be put up Irrigation and Power." No. of Name of Demand Amount of Demand fo Grant Amount of Demand for Grant Demand on account voted by the submitted to the vote of House on 25th Ma.rch, 1985 the House. 1 2 3 4 MIN ISTR, Y OF IRRIGATION AND POWER Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. 63 Department of 29,77,31,000 4,41,34,000 ],31,18,53,000 13,81,71,000 Irrigation 64- Department of 38,49,31,000 2,80,76,11 ;000 1,92,46,60,,000 14,S8,02,S6,OOO power 295 Demands lor Grant, APRIL 16, 1985 Demands lor Grants 296 (Gene,.,) I98J-M (fMttmJl) l~J-8f SHRI M. SUBBA REDDY \Nandyal) : electricity to the tuno or 110 mega-watts Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would Like to t:a~h. If tbe balance three units are ~ompleted bring the follo\\ ing facts to the notice gf the and cOIllmissioned~ lhe productive capacity Government through you. of electricity will rise to 70 m. w, and the income will be Rs. 50 lakhs daily. Under these RegardiDg the Demands for lrription, I circumstances if the Government still dclaY&!d would like to say that these are not appro- the completion of the project, it will be a priate. In the Seventh Five Year Plan, these colossal waste to the country. It is a nation- have been reduced by seven per cent. alised profect. Under irrigation there are two schemes proposed for Rayalaseema Famin~ Whatever it be, more amount has to be affected area. The Planning Commission has allotted for the development of irrigation not given clearance for the right Canal but which bas not been developed adequately. no allotment was made by the Centra) Sbri K. L. Rao, the then lrription Minister Government. The Planning Commission has had prepared a plan for connecting Ganga- not yet given clearance for the left Canal. This Yamuna-Godavari-Kaveri If these four rivers will go through the forest and supply water are linked UP. the entire India will be ~ne to Madras for drinking purposes. If tile fited. Becau~e of thiS, the umty also will be Central Government does not take immediate improved. Nowadays, the economic condition steps to give permission, the supply of water of the country is not sound. Therefore, the to Madras will be inconvenient. big schemes may not be talen up soon. So far as my knowledge goes, there are several Sir, you and I will try our level best to incomplete projects in Andhra Pradesh. The get the permi~sion for both the States pur- great man, late Jawahar Lal Nehru, tbe then pose . Yours is drinking water problem and Prime Minister of India, had laid foundation our problem is irrigation. Both will request the stones of Srisailam Project, Nagarjuna Sagar, Central Government to taKe immediate action Pocham Padu and several other projects in to give permission. Andhra Pradesh as also of the Seeleru power project and Vamshadhara and Somasila irri- gation projects. All these projects have not Regarding the Polavaram, this is on the been ccmpleted. The State Government has Godavari River and is an important project spent nearly Rs. 30 lakhs on the Vardaraja for Andhra and Maharashtra. It is meant for Swamy project which is a medium project in irrigation a nd power. The Andhm and my constiutency. Receptly, the Forest Depart- Maharashtra States are utilismg only 10 per- ment has objected to the construction of this cent of Godavari water and the rest of 90 project on account of the starting of Tiger percent is going to the sea. Due to this river Project. In spite of of Rs. 30 lakhs having every year the Andhra Pradesh IS suffering been spent on the Vardaraja Swamy Project, from floods and a huge amount is being spent the Central Government has not given its by the Central Government. Some, people are clearance to the cons~ructjon of this project suffering from floods and some from famine, which will affect only 260 acres of land and particularly in the Rayalaseema area. Every that too in one corner, whereas one lakh acres year the Central Government is spending huae of land hal been allotted for the Tiger amounts for engagement of labour at the Project. time of famine. On one side is famine and an- other side is ftood. If the Pol a varam Project is sanctioned, both the things viz. the problem Under the Reservoir the ayacut is 20,000 of famine and floods can be solved. The flood acres and nur1y 20,000 people were rehabi- water, which may be thus controlled may be lated there whose properties have gone under useful to famine effected area if it is linked Srisailant Project. At least for the sake of these with the Krishna river. rebabilitated people's interest, the Central Govemment will have to give clearance for this project. In Andhra Pradesh there are three impor- tant rivers connecting Maharashtra, Karna" Sir, roprding Srisailam project, the taka and Andhra Pradesh whicb are Ktishna reservoir work is complete but aU seven units Tungabhadra and Godavan. The w.~s of are Dot yet comissioned. Only four units Krishna and Tungabbadra are already exha· are worki .. IU preeeDt, wbic:b will produce usted. Tbe Godavari is _ailal* to cover 297 Demand.J /0' Gf'OIIlI CHAITRA 26. 1907 (SAKA) Demands lor Grantl 298 ((ieMral) 198J. .. 86 (Gellef'ai) 1'85-86 famine affected area like Rayalaseema and "That the Demand under the Head Depart- control of tt,e floods damaged areas, I hope ment of Irngation be reduced by Rs. 100." the Central Government will consider to sanc- tion the Project and comp1ete all the projects Need to construct a reservoir on soon for the benefit of the country. But, Krishna river t'lelow Nasarjunsagar for irngatioD power development will not be dam and above Prakasam Barrage. (2) made liberally and cannot solve the food problem even after a hundred years, at this "That the Demand under the Head Depart- rate. The growing population should be ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." controlJed by making legislation and not by Need to take up Inchampally multi- propaganda by wastmg money. 1 feel as a purpose project on Godavari. (4) former Chairman of the Ziia Pari~had, the self-employment scheme and lRDP schemes "That the Demand under the Head Depart- arc colossal waste and tbere is lut of corrup- ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." tIOn Involved In these schemes. Due to the disparity of the schemes many people are l'!eed to provide funds for moderni- not satisfied. The amount allocated under sation of Krishna Delta SysteJD. (S) the above schemes is be 109 misused and so there may not be any schemes "That the Demand under the Head Depart- under self-employment and IRDP. It is ment of Power be reduced by Rs. 100." really a wastage of Government money. suggest a nd request you to postpone this Need to pro\ ide funds for renovation kmd of schemes for a period of three years of Kothagudem thermal power station. and the amount can be diverted to irrigatlon (14) and power to complete pending projects. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Midna- pur) I beg to move: On one occasion the Han. Mmist(..'r for Steel declared in the House that the steel "That the Demand under the Head Depart- plant at VJjayanagaram has been stopped due mant of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." to shortage of power. If the steel plants are ~tarted, ~o many persons Will be benefited Need to construct a barrage on the and such important industries should not be Subernarekha at Bahasraghat in postponed, and it is not advisable to take up Midnapur District, West Bengal. (10) wasteful schemes by spending huge amounts for cheap popularity. So, I request the Hon. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH : I Prime Minister to allot more money out of beg to move: the Plan for irrigation and power. "That the Demand under the Head Depart- Sir, in the end I thank you for giving ment of Irrigation be reducedby Rs. 100.'9 this opportunity to speak a few words on Need 'to provide funds for drainage of this occasion. water and development of Dhurdah Chavar in Saran district of Bihar. (11) SHRI V. SOBHANEDREESWARA RAO (Vijayawada) : I beg to move: "That the Demand under the Head Depart- ment of irrigatIOn be reduced by Rs. 100." UThat the Demand Wlder the Head Depart- ment of Irrigation be reduced to Rc:. 1." Need to provide funds to drain out accwnalated water of Oandak Failure to achieve the targets fixed for River Project in Saran District of providiDl irrigation facilities in the Bihar. (12) country. (1). "That the Demand under the Head Depart- "That the Demand under the Head Depart- mat of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." ment of Irrigation be reduced to Re. 1.~' Need to provide funds for drainage of Failure to clear the proposed Polava- water and deveJopme.. t of HardiYa ram ProjeGt in Andbra Pradesh. (2) Chavar in Saran distrlcl of pi .... (13) Demands lor Grants APRIL 16. 198' Dt!mtlruiJ lor Gra1lts 300 (General) 1985-86 (General) 1985-86 "That the Demand under the Head Depart~ Need to provide irription facilities to ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." tea gardens in Doars and Tarai in West Bengal~ (19) Need to take steps to construct em- bankments on river Ganra from Manji "That the Den-and under the Head Depart to Sonpur to prevent lo"~ of property mcnt of Irrigation be reduce by Rs. 100." caused by floods in Saran district of Biha r every year. (46 ) Need to sanction funds required by Farakka Barrage Control Board for "That the Demand under the Head Dcpart~ banks I'rotections works. (20) ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the Demand under the Head Depart- Need to take steps to check erosion ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." caused by river Ganga in Bihar. (47) Need to provide funds immediately "That the Demand under the Head Depart- for Subernarekha Barrage Project. (21) ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the Demand under the Head Depart- Need for early completion of Gandak ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." river project. (48) Need to honour the unanimous resolu- UThat the Demand under the Head Depart~ tion of West Bengal Assembly regard- ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." ing Teesta Waters. (22) Need to construct embankments on "That the Demand under the Head Depart- Mahi, Sondhi, Daha andBohata ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." fivers. (49) Need to provide more funds to check "That the Demand under the Head Depart- erosion of the right bank of fiver mant of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." Ganga downstream of Farakka Barrage. (23) Need to take steps to dram out water from i:lardla and Dhurdah Chavar. "That the Demand under the Head Depart- (50) ment of Irngation be reduced by Rs. 100." SHRI PIYUSH TIRAKY: I beg to Need to explore ground water in move: Chhotanag~ pur and San thaI Parganas. (24) "That the Demand under the Head Depart- mant of Irriiatlon be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the Demand under the Head Depart- ment of lrngatlOn be reduced by Rs. 100," Need to ensure urigation water for the rabi crops dUring non monsoon season Need to estabh~h Water and Land to North Bengal districts from Teesta Management: Tramang Institutes in Barrage project. (16). Cooch-Behar, in North Bengal and at "That the Demand under the Head Depart- Ranchi ill Bihar.f (2~) ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the Demand under the Head Depart- Need to review ad hoc sharing of ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs, 100." Teesta waters with BangJadesh. (17) Need to ensure flow of 40,000 cusecs "That the Demand under the Head Depart- of water in Hooghly during the lean ment of Irrigat;on be reduced by Rs. 100." period (January to May). Need to approve Kangsabati reservoir "That the Demand under the Head Depart- project submitted to the CantraJ Water ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." Commission by the West Bengal Government (18) • Need to ensure availability of watre . in Ganp basin for irription and "That the .Demand under the Head Depart~ 40,000 cusccs for Calcutta port for ment of Irrigation be reduced by Rs. 100." navigation. (27) 301 Demaruh lor Gran" CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Demands /0' Graft'. 302 (General) 1985-86 (General) 1985-86 'crrhat the Demand under the Head Depart- Nature has blessed our country with ment of Power be reduced by RI. 100." unlimited resources. If we look at the 20,000 feet high Himalayan peak, we find a Need to sct._up Gas Turbine in D V perennial source of power in the shape of Project on war C footing. (28) snow which is inexhaustible. It melts every year and we utilise it every year. At the "That the Demand under the Head Depart- lower ranges, there is a very large atrip" men t of power be reduced by Rs. 100." where we can build micro-hydel power projects. We have built somo such projects Need to reonovate and modernise also and if you ba ve been to Badrinatb, you Badarpur Thermal Power station miglJ.t have noticed tbat micro-hydel power immediately. (29). schemes are in operation under the snow and glaciers. Thereafter, when we come to the [Trans/aflon] third strip at the heiaht of 6,000 to 4 t OOO feet. there also we find limitless energy by SHRI BRAHMA DUTT (Tebri-Gar- which we can meet the power requirements wal): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I express of the country. When we come still dOWlJ- many tha'lks to you for giving me an oppor- wards, we come across canals and small water falls where again we can set up tunity to sp~ak in this subject. I would like to confine rnysdf to the subject of power mini-tydel power projects. We get limitless power from our plateaus and rivers in the only, bccau~e if I take irrigation and power both, it would take a lot of time. Instead South. Apart from this, we have large of electricity, energy can be said to be an reserves ef coal in our country. We have exact equivalent of the term "power". It found large reserves and have also created has a very important role in our life. If large reserves and with that we generate we want to industrialise the country or to electricity. raise our agricultural production or our I want to make a humble submission standard of living, it is most essential. A that we shall have to give more importance great leader of the worldt 'Lenin' had said to the hydel power and we should include that revolution meant electrification. If we only those schemes under the hydel power look back to our history of the last 300 years, projects, which could serve all the three we shall find that the complexion of our purposes. We should increase resources of social structure bas been changing with the irrigation, potential of irrigation and potential kind of energy that we have been putting of power. Besides, we should control floods. to use. When we introduced mechanisation, The biggest problem in our country is the the feudalism came to an end and thereafter problem of floods and drought due to which with the change in the form of energy and we suffer a loss of Rs. 500 to Rs. 1000 crores power, our social structure also changed. I every year and we have to provide a larae am of the view that the way in which we use amount of money as relief. We have to give energy, has a great impact on our society. a large amount of money as relief against The greatest formula of energy given by the floods and drouiht and the only way to world scientists was the one which fused our avoid it is to construct dams across the rivers spiritualism and science into one. Einstein l emanating from the Himalayas. We are gave a new formula E =mc in respect of constructing dams in Kashmir, Mizoram, energy which is the greatest achievement of Himachal Pradesh. Uttar Pradesh and one time. Whatever progress we see today in even in Bhutan and Sikkim, as also on our ,-ountry is due to our nation-builders Teesta river, but the ratio of hydro-electri- Pandit lawaharlal Nehru and Shrimati Indira city at present is 34 per cent. The day this Gandhi who paid the maximum attention ratio reaches 40 per cent, most of our pro- to this field, the proof of it being that when blems will be solved. The difficulty we face tbe country attained independence in 194 7 is particularly more during the peak hours. and when the Five Year Plans had not started, we had a total instaUed capacity of I want to make a submission with regard 1352 megawatts and today it is 42,440 mesa- to hydro-electric schemes. Most of them watts. One mepwatt of power coats RI. 1 are in the Hima.iQu, for which we ba ve not crorc. Thus, Rs. 40,000 crore. have been conducted a c~ leoloai~aIIWYeY. We spent on it. face DOW problems.. our el\lklMl6 solve 303 DmumdJ lor Om",! APRIL t 6, 198.5 Dmaattds /()r Grants 304 (General) 1985·86 (G_Mralj 1985-.86 them also. Tbere is one place in our Uttar will rise to 80 per cent and at the same time Pradesh. Maneki Bhali where so much water our total capacity will also increase. used to gush out as If it was not a rock but a sponge, but that problem also was solved. 1 want to make a submission about Uttar Anoiber thing which I want to say is Pradesh. There is a scheme named Tebri ,that the equipment that we have at present Dam Project there of 2,000 Megawatt capa- for digging tunnels is not up to date. With city. If we are not able to complete it soon, tho ~ machines which we ha vet we can its cost will escalate to an extent that we construct a tunnel only laP h) one metre a shall not be able to meet the additional ex- day. But, now the latC'st machines have penditure. Uttar Pradesh does not have been developed which can construct tu,nels resources to complete it even in 20 to 25 upto 2~ metres a day. Therefore, we should years. We have 30 per cent share in its modernise them. Schemes 'ihould be prepared irrigation capacity. We shall have to incur every year for the new machines to be pres- this expenditure. Therefore, the Central sed into services. It has generally been seen Government and Uttar Pradesh Govern- that on the completion of a scheme. these ment should jointly construct the Tehri machines keep lying at different places. We Dam Project. ~fany branches of the river have not prepared any scheme for their use Ganga and its subsidiaries fall into the in the future. We shou!d chalk out such a Tehri Dam, It would not only increase the phased programme for their use that on the irrgation potential but floods in the Ganga completion of a project the mac:1ines could will also be checked and at the same time be put to use on another scheme. 2.000 Megawatt of electricity will be generat- ed. The Government of Uttar Pr.ldesh I repeat again that we should have have propo4)ed that it will bear the ent;te cost multi-purpose schemes. In the year 1947, of its 10 per cent share in irrigation, but Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru had laid the it will give 25 per cent of cost in re .... pect of it, foundation of the Yamuna compl.::x, but we share in power and the re';t should be borne could not decide for 10 to 12 years as to by the Centre. We want that the sharing where its barrage should be constructed and should be decided on the basis cf a national from where it should be started. Con'iequ- formula. My humhle rcque~t is that a ently, its cost es~alltltd. Th'.!reafter, we decision in thil) regard should be taken soon, constructed five power statIons, but the as the delay ic; causing problem,. pl~s where a re,serVOlf could be constructed for them, falls in fiv~ State4). I would request A large area of land, i.e.. 20 to 25 the Central .Government that the shanng of villages are likely to be submerged under this waters should be decIded according to a Dam. The \l. hole of I ehri city will be national fQTJuula. I a.m not spea.kmg for ruined. A problem will be created when the Uttar Pradesh alone, I am talking about all people are asked to evacuate. Developmental the rivers from Assam to Kanyakumari works have cume to a standstiH there. t including Punjab, Maharashtra and Assam. want to request you that the human factor You should decide the sharing of waters on should be kept in view while implementing t~ balis of a national farmula so that the tbe thermal and hydel power projects. work aD our projects could be done with ten Attention should be paid towards rehabIlita- times more speed. Generally, ml)st of our tion of the people who are likely to be dis- projects, which are being constructed, are I>laced from there. Liberal facHities should based on 'rwn of the river'. Out of these be given to them at the place~ where they projects, some function at 30 per cent are rehabilitated. They should be provided of their capacity dlld some others run at with all the fac i1ities there. 4P Per cent of their capacity. 1 would like to submit to you that the day you con- Now, 1 want to make some points with struct reservoirs on their heads and make regard to thermal power stations. In our them l'bulti-purpose.'o scheme, these power country. the average of 'plant load factor' bouses will Itan generating much more elec- of our thermal power stations in SO per cent. tricity witltout ar1y additional investment. As a result of the steps taken by the Govern- 00 comjtlM'i()n of Kisan Project the utiliza- ment during the last 2 to 3 years, this plant dOd bf_pacity of thtlse five power houses load factot has increased, which is welcome. of Jamufta which at present is 40 per cent, We have made provision for renovation and DMnttwdllo, o,.."t. CHAlTItA 26, 1907 (SAKA) Demands lor Grantl 306 (o..ro/) 1985-86 (Genera/) 198$ .. 86 modernisation of the old power houses .. Harijan bastis and mohaUas are without Amo,ements for the supply of coal have electricity, there is need to improve the sys'" been made. I welcome all these steps. tem. For this purpose, the schemes are there But, this scheme of Rs. 500 crores for reno- with you aDd you have invited schem\.~ from vation and remodelling should be imple- every State. The need is to carry out strict mented vigorously. Not only there is need monitoring and get them implemented. You to vilorously implement it, but our Depart- have mentioned about the Single Phase Cana- ments of Coal, Power, Petroleum, Railways dian System through which electricity will be and the Heavy Industries will also have to supplied or the Two Phase supply system in work in coordination with one another. Uttar Pradesh but if you cannot supply elec- tricity for lighting from 6 O· clock to 10 O' I want to urge that the coal factor should clock at night then we shall not be able to be looked into. I would like to give you an use it for radio, T.V. and for lighting. So, exemple. I was reading that in the Thermal there is urgent need to make a qualitative Power House in Obra, 10 kilogram coal per improvement. It should be done immediateJy. kilowatt hour is consumed, in Rarnagundam Good work has been done in respect of rural it is 6 and in Farakka it is 9. Either it is a electrjfication. printing mistake or we are getting Jhingurta coal whereas we should get coal from Bina You have mentioned about setting up of or Jayant which we are not getting. In this gas-based power plants. Work on it should way, we are consuming coal ten times more. be started so that gas is put to use. Gas With this coal, we ~an increase our power plants have been set up at Oraiya and at prodUction and reduce the cost of production. other places. The Hon. Minister, Shri Vasant We should enforce joint a inspection system Sathet has just mentioned that they are going strictly and increa~e the availability of wa- to set up power plants of 250 MW each for gons. But I would like to say that B.H.E.L. industries at places having industrial com- will have to make more efforts. I agree that plexes. Power intensive industries like the the industry of the country should progress aluminium industry should be allowed liber- ~ut there are generic problems in all the ally to set up such power plants. In the case power stationc;. We should remove the of BALCO, HlNDALCO or NELCO we arc Inanufacturing defects. BHEL should make not able to utilize their full ;apacity due to arrangements for the after-sales service. You the non-availabity of captive power plants. may place orders worth Rs. 400 erores out of We have to import these thing~. If we solve 500 crores to BHEL. BHEL should consti- this problem facing these big industries, we tute a task force. Appropriate parts should shall be able to supply power to villages and be supplied for lnstrumente; Limited, Kota. to the small scale:: industrie~. Otherwise, Coal of good qUllity should be provided at small industries are ruined. the appropriate time. What happens dur- ing the rainy season? The Hon. Minister 1 want to make another submission. was saying that so much coal was produced Agriculture needs power during certain speci- that there were not sufficient parties to lift fic hours. It needs more power during Novem- the coa1. We cannot understand why there is ber .. December at the time of Rabi sowing shortage of coal where we require it. When and durins April-May at the time of harvest· we ask the reason for that we are told that ing. Efforts should be made to distribute it is due to the shortage of wagons. ] n thie; power on rational basis .. It should be met way, a vicious circle is form~d. This situa- through the national grid. The concept of tion should be .remedied. national grid is very good. It should be implemented strictly. The State Governments I would particularly like to welcome the should also be informed about it. The Hon. rural electrification schemes which have been Members should persuade their respective completed. The Rural Electrification Cor- State Governments to agree to this proposal poration has done commendable work. They so that power is equitably distributed and the have improved their financial policy and made concept of national grid is implemented. it more liberal but I would like to urge that Here, I would )ike to refer to the report of rural electrification bas no meaning if we ,the Rajyadbyksha Committee. More than carry out electrification in accordance with 300 recommendations have been made by it. lb. detillitioDS of the C.E.A. So 10118 as tbe About 150 recommendations have been accep- 307 Demands lor Grrntt, APllIL1~I98S ~fo,~ (lh... 'tIiJ 19t$-8'6 (G4".,.I) }g'S-16 ted titl today. 1 do not know how many Plan period; the money has boeo diVOl1od ~Wl'encftt'flons h~~ ~eh '~n\et\\ed. artd bas not been used (aT J'u1.a1 oIecariti{;6UoIl We have ndt seen Ii better r~ort. We sfiOllld ill West &nsal. Tbere was no dearth 01 tfib some deckion thereon. Iltiportant rhOrtey, there was DO question of aay defauh dtfclsl0fts have been taken in tht Powet on tbe Part of the Central GO'tcrnment. but Mtnjst~'s COftferente held here. These the State Government havina aot tbe mODe), Shotl\d be irt\t'temehted. If we 'Wal1t tb enter could not even lltilise that. When we Setl the 21~t centu¥y Ih\d make fUrtfttr progtess ttl tbe positIon in respec:t of pumpsets eDeraiscd. the ~d ()f fliriebltufe, we ha,+e unttrnited re- we find that West Bengal's position is dis- sourt1es and ~rgy~ The RAilvvsy Ministry, mally low: the number of pumpsets t.ba' the Hea'¥'y Indtritty Mitllstry ahd Irrigation have been energised as on 31st January, 1985. Mlnistry and tbe totd Ministry shou'd co- is 32.951 whereas in Tamil Nadu it bas been oPerate with the Pbwer Ministry so that the to,~,9r4. h,s a matter or shame. That 15 gtJuntry could be modernized and we may be why, perhttl')s, we find that the opposition able to auhieve Our ;Oal. ~nc"'-es ate almost empty; perhaps they do t10~ want to fate us .. [Eng/Hill SHIn NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Midna- SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN (Calcutta pore) : As if your benches ar~ full. SOUth): Mr. Deputy -Speaker, Su, I not only suppOrt t'le Demand~ tor Chants relating to SHRI BHOLA NA TH SEN : The worst tbe Ministry of lrriglltion and Poower but I performance of West Bengal in the ma.tter of also congratulate the Government for making production of electricity is well l.nown now. improvement in the power situation by very effective means. In fact, I find from the Re- No industry can develop and no coun- port that the capacity additlOn In 1984-85 try Can progress witbout power. Money was 3,080 megawatts and the new capacIty was forthcoming and money was there. YO\) injection in the Sixth pJan would aggregate to will see bamboo pllrs. You Will see the 14,000 megawatts. A capacity of 4,500 mega- cables also but they cannot work. the watts is being planned for 1985-86. The machine as there is no f'lectllclty. In Ivllaaes plant load factor has been increased from after villages for 7 1/2 years thiS is the state 47.9 per cent to SO per cent in 1984-85. The of affairs in Bengal run I by our left-front achievements of the three super planb, government. ThC'y have time only to do namely, Korba, Singrauh and Ramagundam, propaganda against tbe Centre and tbey con- are also very attractive to note. they are tinue only by making false prolmses .••• running with about 3,000 megawatt capacity. But the position does not end there. What (Interruptions) Mf>pens is this. The Central Government produces only 15 or 16 per cent of the total During Dr. Sidhartha Shankar Ray's rcaime power produced in this eOUntry, abd the bala- we have electrified over 13.000 vil1aaes nce of about 80 per cent is being produced by whereas they have done only SOO viUaacs. the State sector. Tbt subject of electricity is Money Was not the constraint. They know in the Concurtent ' ... ist and, therefore, bOth that. In 1973 the Kolagbat power plant was tbt Centre and the States can do it. But it sanctiot1ed and the work was to start. From lo happetls, for historical ttasons or other- 1973 till 1985 only one unit bas started after wise, that 80 per cent' of power I~ being pro- 10 years of work, hard work by the left duced by the State !tCtor. I was looking itlto front lovernment. God alone knows when the t'iiur~ that ha'¥e bten sUpplied to us. I tbe other two unit will come into being. was satptised to see such a ptlSitiOn tbat to- The normal target date is 7 years. It has not day When in O.P. the number Of villa~es come up. In 19'84 all the three had to be which1\a¥t ~n electrified is 6(),863 , In West compl~ted, but it was not done. There is no Benp1 the number or villages electrified is 6fily explanati6n. Sir, what is loing on in my 18;6!$S. West Bedp.l eornes in the t 1th ~tate is sbeer politics, sheer villfication and ~ition. Regarding rural electrifictUiOn, 1 11011tic~ is not only goit" on in the pl",ot but read in t~ papers 'tbe dtittr day that trOles a1so in the cJepartme!\tt llnd an the ~io'tc 'and mtes of tvpees Yetnatned unQtUi- there ;s interference wltb the elctrica) sed ddrtna tht til'lt four )ftts of the 'Sbeth etigih6ers. 'ttiete is ... ..,.ot in_ru!ace ~·IIR,(J,." eHAra. at, ,., (SAKA) /", 8tt ~~I)J~ .....(~41) JIBS.86... from. above and peQple 'Y~n bav.e to be power-cut there. ~vorY4a,y!pc" is a M" "",,,orbed whe'tbtr Yt1U Want fhem or not. cut. Tbe city of ,,~s-CaJcuUa-tbe ~t People will have to be ttansferred from one city in India aoes daJ"k every niabt for f\~" plant to another. The sole obJcct was to give together. as much harassment as possible. (Interrupt ions) (Interruptions) SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHt1R.Y: I am fully aware of what is goillS on there, Sir, I rise on a point of order. aftd how n\any tithes 'Board has been changed. They cannot find anything. The engineers are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You unhappy. The wotkers are unhappy and speak wben you aile caUed. J will be allowing there is constant interference from the you to speak. Please sit dowfl. Writer's Building, the headquarters of the State Government. Rampant trade unionism SHIU BflOLA NATH SEN : In is going on and it is going on to such an January all the power plants failed. Tbe extent as to bold the country to ransom. Bamdel thermal PQwer plant aad Sant1W4ib Nobody will be punished. No discipline is were in trouble. Further, ..sir, ,bow i$ it tlld there. I request the Minister concerned to the estimate of short-fall djffers. The fipres RlAtter look into the why the PLF is not given by the Central Electri~jty Authority coming up. dltTer from the one given by the bureau crats of the State Government or the State West Bengal is suffering from want of Ministers concerned. Why is there this electricity. The PLF IS not coming up. difference ? How can one calculate it Crore4) of rupees have been allowed to go correctly. (Interruptions) wao;;te and villages not electrified. I reque~t that in such circumstances there must be a SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBBY: Our greater degree of control and it should be figures are correct. secn that no political consideration enters into the electrical arena. This is our life SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: I am lll1d soul. No politics shOuld enter this field. sure when I -was the leader of the party in Workmen and engineers should be given a Assembly at that time-even when I was the free hand. I suggest that there should be an Minister-I had asked for physical verifica- all India Service of Engineers-an All India tion of the stocks. Service of Engineers and they should be trained properly to man the power "Iants all Sir, corruption is going on thore and over India so that we do not face a shortage only some people are transferred. Have ~ of power at the turn of the century. e\er done physical verification of stocks? (Interruptions) So that they can do their work without any in&erference from the political bosses SHRT S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir. I who only want to rema.in in power "itbout rise on a point of order. Mr. Deputy going anything as happening in West Bengal. Speaker, Sir, can we discuss the performance It is a matter of shame that West Bengal is of a State Government in the Parliament lagging behind and they blame the Centre without a substantive motion? (1Ilte..,.lIptions) and otfter factors. We are losing our indus- 'try. We do not have any industry. Every MR. DEPUTY SPE,AKER: He is industry f~ becorninl sick. Who is responsible telling generally. Please sit down. This is for that ? They 1lte making only cOtTlplaints Dot the way. (In,.,,,,ptlons) d'ther qainat tbe Centre or apinst other atl'ttmrities 1itc"e Coal, Jilailways, etc. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : If there is (/lttm'UJlti"hS) anything objectionable it will not go on record. 1 say tbat inefficiency, negliaence, corruption aDd indiscipline at !he power SHit} S. JAIPAL ll!D1>Y: Anything ~ts are responsible for this displ81 picture which conts ins reference to the performaftCe in West 1jlengll today and dally we are bavq of West Bc_~pmeN or West Beopl Sit lNtnands lor Grtlllt. APRIL 16, 1985 Dmunrds /D' Gr'tlIftl !t2 (General) 198j-86 (Gfttera!) 198'-86 Electricity Board should not be allowed to KUMAR! MAMTA BANElUEB Let SO on record. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Not him take one minute .• like tbat. There is no point of order. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN May I (Interruptions) speak? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is no (Interrupt ions) paint of order. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. (Interruptions) It'is only too much disorder. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: All of you may please Sit down. Now, Mr. D. P. Yadav. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Mr. Sen that is enough. Please sit down. DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARUN KUMARI MAMTA DANERJEE : Please NEHRU) : Sir Members on \-loth sides would allow hIm to have his say. be happy to know that D. V. C. from today is giving more power to Calcutta city because MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Sen, there is shortage. you have already taken a long time. If you (Interruptions) want to fimsh, 1 wi1l give you one minute That is all. Please wnid up. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please wind up. (Interruptions) SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: The DYC MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No diSCUS- gives 98 M. W. They cannot tak.e power be- sion like this. I will not allow. Let the Hon cause Dye wanted money to be paid for Member please wmd up. supply of power. Money will not be paid, SHRI BHOLA NA TH SEN : I would and power will not be given! This IS what IS like to bnng this to the notace of the Bon goina on there. They wlll not pay money MiOlster. The State Electncit)' Boalds are not that is due to them. This IS the position. domg as well al> the Central proJects. Just be- fore last general electIon there wa~ no problem SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : Why fe-gardmg power; but immediately thereafter should they blame that West Bengal Govern- load-shedding started. ment for every thins '! This IS not fair. ( InterruptIOns) ( In terruprions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please wind KUMARI MAMTA BENERJEE : Please up. You have taken a long time. The time is disturb him. don't over. Please wlOd up. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please restrict SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN : 1 wish to your speech. Don't go into It too much. bring one thing to the notice of the Hon. Please wind up. Generally you can speak. Minister for his consideration. Gas is expec- KUMARI MAMTA BANERJEE : This ted to be used for production of energy. It is Lot Sabha. He is speaking as Member, should be used in larger quantities. Further, Lok Sabba. public undertakings and private undertakings should be ask.ed to provide captive plants for (lnterrup t Ions) their own uses. In the jomt sector also, enersy should be allowed to be produced for MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please wind public consumption. We are actually using Up. The time is over. power packs in almost every house; it bas become almost a cottase industry in West (Interruptions) Beolal. 313 B.A.C. CHAITRA 26, 1907 (SAKA) PQP~r., laid 314 J8.00 brs. Sir, I beg to present the Fifth Report of the Business Advisory Committee. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Mr. Sen, you may give all other points in writing to the Hon. Minister for his consideration. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN : I think we [English] can do it here also as is the practice in Washington where the speeches are given in PAPER LAID ON THE TABLE-Contd. writing. Notification under Central Excise Rules-J'44 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Mr. D. P. Yadav to speak. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRI JANAR- SHRI D. P. YADAV (Monghyr): Mr. DHANA POOJARY) : I beg to Jay on the Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the . table a copy of Notification No. 107!8S-CE Demands for Grants of the Ministry of Irri- (Hindi and English versions) published in gation and Power headed by the two able Gazette of India dated the 16th April. 1985 Ministers like Mr. Shankaranand and Mr. certain amendments to Notification No. 68/ Arun Nehru. Today, it is not the first time 83-CE dated the 1st March, 1983 so as to that we are discussing irrigation and power fully exempt tractors of Draw Bar Horse systems in the country in the Parliament. We Power not exceeding 25 from the whole of have had enough detailed discussion on these the duty of excise leviable thereon as against subjects on the floor of this House and we the existing exemption in respect of tractors treasure it. of Draw Bar Horse Power not exceeding 12, issued under the Central Excise Rules, 1944 Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Yadav, together with an explanatory memorandum. you may continue tomorrow. [English] 18.02 hrs. BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday, April 17, Fifth Report 1985/Chailra 27, 1907 (Saka) THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- ARY AFFAIRS ~SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT) :