Volume II Wednesday No. 11 22nd December, 1965

P A R LIAMENTA R Y D EB ATES

DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE)

OFFICIAL REPORT

(SECOND SESSION OF THE SECOND DEWAN NEGARA)

CONTENTS

EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 11811 ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) [Col. 11811 BILLS- The Supply Bill, 1966 [Col. 1182] The Prevention of Crime (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1298] The Passports Bill [Col. 13011 The Immigration (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill [Col. 13051 The Divorce (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1306] The Penal Code (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill [Col. 1307] The Rubber Research Institute of Malaya Bill [Col. 1308] The Malaysian Timber Export Industry Board (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 1311] The Pineapple Industry (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1319] The National Productivity Council (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 1321] The Women and Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) Bill [Col. 13241 The Mui Tsai (Repeal) Bill [Col. 1331] The Employment (Amendment) Bill [Cot. 1333] The Co-operative Societies (Amendment) Bill [Cot. 1337] The National Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation Authority (Incorporation) Bill [Col. 1350] The Societies Bill [Col. 1354] The Merchant Shipping (Amendment) Bill [Col. 13661 The Road Traffic (Amendment) Bill [Col. 13691 ORDER OF BUSINESS (Motion) [Cot. 13201

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN

OLEH MOKHTAR BIN HAJI SHAMSUDDIN, PENGUASA

JOHOR BAHRU 1967

Harga: $1 MALAYSIA DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE). Official Report

Vol. II Second Session of the Second Dewan Negara No. 11

Wednesday, 22nd December, 1965

The Senate met at Ten o'clock a. m.

PRESENT;

The Honourable Mr President , DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHAMED YASIN, S.P.M.J., P.I.S., J.P. (Johore). „ ENCHE' A. ARUNASALAM , A.M.N. (Appointed).

„ ENCHE ' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN AHMAD (Perlis). ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN , P.J.K. (Appointed). t, TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDULLAH , A.M.N. (Penang). „ TURN HAJI AHMAD BIN HAJI ABDUL MANAP , P.P.N. (Melaka). CHE' AISHAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL GHANI (Appointed).

CHE' BIB! AISHA BINTI HAMID DON, A . M.N. (Appointed). ENCHE' AMALUDDIN BIN DARUS (Kelantan). „ ENCHE ' AWANG DAUD MATUSIN (Appointed). „ DATU TUANKU BUJANG BIN TUANKU HAJI OTHMAN (Sarawak). ENCHE' CHAN KEONG HON (Appointed).

„ ENCHE' CHAN KWONG-HON , J.M.N., S .M.N., J.P. (Selangor). ENCHE' CHEAH SENG KHIM, J.P. (Penang). „ DATO' J. E. S. CRAWEORD, D.P.M.P. , J.M.N., J.P., Dato' Kurnia Inder^► (Appointed). ENCHE ' D. S. DORAI RAJ, A. M.N., P.J.K. (Appointed).

DATO' FOO SEE MOI, D. P.M.K., J. P. (Appointed). „ ENCHE' GAN TECK YEOW, J.M.N. (Appointed). „ ENCHE' GOH CHEK KIN , P.J.K. (Trengganu).

ENCHE' HOH CHEE CHEONG, A.M.N., J.P. (Pahang). ENCHE' C. D. ISMAIL , J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed). „ ENCHE' ANDREW JIKA LANDAU (Appointed). DATO' Y. T. LEE, D.P.M.S., J.M . N., P.J.K., J.P. (Appointed). ENCHE' LIM HEE HONG , J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed). ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG, J.P. (Kedah). ENCHE' MOHAMED ADIB BIN OMAR, P.J.K. (Trengganu)

„ DATU PENGIRAN MOHAMED DIGADONG GALPAM, P.D.K. (Sabah). DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR , P.M.N., S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J . P. (Appointed). 1179 22 DECEMBER 1965 1180

The Honourable TUAN HAJI MOHAMED SAAID BIN HAJI ABU BAKAR (Appointed). ENCHE' ATHI NAHAPPAN (Appointed). NIK HASSAN BIN HAJI NIK YAHYA, J.M.N. (Appointed).

„ TEMENGGONG OYONG LAWAI JAU (Sarawak). TOK PANGKU PANDAK HAMID BIN PUTEH JALI, P.J.K. (Appointed). ENCHE' SAIDON BIN KECHUT, A.M.N. (Appointed). DATO' SHEIKH ABU BAKAR BIN YAHYA AL-HAJ, D.P.M.J., P.I. s., J.P. (Johore). DATO' G. SHELLEY, P.M.N., J.P. (Appointed). TUAN SYED AHMAD BIN SYED MAHMUD SHAHABUDIN, J.M.N., S.M.K., J.P. (Kedah). TUAN SYED DARUS BIN SYED HASHIM (Perlis). ENCHE' WILLIAM TAN (Appointed). DATO' T. H. TAN, P.M.N. (Appointed). „ ENCHE' S. O. K. UBAIDULLA, J.M.N . (Appointed). „ WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI WAN ALT, S.M.K. (Kelantan). „ ENCHE' YAHYA BIN AHMAD, P.J.K. (Negri Sembilan). „ ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Perak).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO ' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N. (Appointed). DATU JOSEPH AUGUSTINE ANGIAN ANDULAG , P.D.K. (Sabah).

„ DATO' DR CHEAH TOON LOK, D . P.M.K., D. M.K., J.M .N., J.P. (Appointed). ENCTIE' HONG KiM SU I (Appointed). ENCHE' KHOO TECK PUAT (Appointed). ENCHE' KOH KIM LENG (Malacca). DATO' LEE FOONG YEE, J. M.N., P.P. T., J.P . (Negri Sembilan). „ ENCHE' S. P. S. NATHAN (Appointed). RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY (Selangor).

" DATO ' E. E. C. THURAISINGHAM , D.P.M.J., J.P. (Appointed). " DATO' WAN IBRAHIM BIN WAN TANJONG, J.M.N., P.J.K., Orang Kaya Indera Maharaja Purba Jelai (Pahang). ENCHE' YEOH KIAN TEIK (Perak).

IN ATTENDANCE :

The Honourable the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Johor Timor). the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). 1181 22 DECEMBER 1965 1182

The Honourable the Minister for Welfare Services , CAPT. HMI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT AL! KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K. (Ulu Selangor). the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Kiang). the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TURN HAJI MOHD. GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAW! (Ulu Perak).. the Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA`KUB (Sarawak). the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M,T., P.J.K., (Trengganu Tengah) the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM Pox, J.P. (Telok Anson).

PRAYERS Resolved, (Mr President in the Chair) That at its rising today the Senate shall stand adjourned sine die. EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) THE SUPPLY BILL, 1966 Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, Second Reading I beg to move, Order read for resumption of debate That notwithstanding the provisions on the Question, "That the Bill be now of Standing Order 11, the Senate shall read a second time" (21st December, not adjourn until consideration of all 1965). Government business set out on the Order Paper for today has been Tuan Hari . Ahmad bin Haji completed. Abdullah: Kato' Yang di-Pertua, sambongan saya sa-malam ...... Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion. Mr President: Ada sambongan lagi? Jangan panjang sangat, sebab kita satu Question put, and agreed to. hari sahaja hari ini ada 18 Rang Resolved, Undang lags akan di-perbahathkan. That notwithstanding the provisions Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Haji of Standing Order 11, the Senate shall Abduilah: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya not adjourn until consideration of all menyentoh sadikit perkara yang Government business set out on the berkaitan dengan chukai talipon. Pem- Order Paper for today has been bayaran talipon ini sudah pun completed. berbangkit, y a n g menyebabkan macham2 perkara telah terj adi d an ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE Dewan ini juga ada mengshorkan (Motion) supaya meminda chara bayaran2 tali- pon itu di-bayar dengan chara Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, di-tambah pendapatan daripada I beg to move, mengambil daripada internal-nya That at its rising today the Senate bayaran bulanan. Tetapi, saya kata shall stand adjourned sine die. di-sini, perkara chukai, yang susah-nya satu sahaja, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second sa-barang chukai yang di-ambil oleh the motion. Kerajaan yang mana Ke^ajaan men- Question put, and agreed to. jalankan chukai2 itu, Batang-nya 1183 22 DECEMBER 1965 1184 daripada Dewan Ra`ayat , kemudian Saya tidak bersetuju saperti mana kapada Dewan Negara . Kalau tidak ada sa-tengah2 yang mengshorkan di- ada keputusan daripada Dewan tambah di-atas pembayaran talipon Ra`ayat dan Dewan Negara , tidak ada daripada $15 menjadi $20, itu kalau pengsahan dari pehak yang berkuasa orange yang menggunakan talipon, chukai itu tidak berjalan. kerana orange yang menggunakan Mithal-nya satu sahaja manakala talipon itu orang yang berkeadaan. satu2 chukai di-kenakan sa-chara pukul Orange miskin, dia tidak hendak rata tidak kira orang kaya, orang gunakan talipon itu. Sa-kali sa-kala miskin, chukai itu nama -nya chukai sahaja dia hendak menggunakan. tidak `adil. Penggunaan2 talipon oleh Kalau dia kena bayar pun tidak pehak2 orang yang menchari kese- banyak . Kalau ada yang menggunakan nangan, menchari kekayaan , menchari talipon itu pun, pada pehak orange kemewahan , kalau sa-kira-nya dia yang susah ini, sadikit, tetapi orang hendak menggunakan banyak-chakap yang bekerja menchari penghidupan banyak dalam urusan2-nya, sudah dan perniagaan dan sa-bagai-nya, patut-lah dia membayar. Tetapi, banyak. Jangan-lah sa-mata2 hendak urusan2-nya dia hendak , supaya di- di-kirakan chara masok sahaja, tetapi adakan perjalanan dengan lichin, dan chara keluar-nya yang muslihat itu kehasilan-nya banyak. Tetapi sa-juzu' kesemua-nya terputang kapa d a negara yang di-ambil oleh pehak yang ber- kita sendiri. Bila kata pulang kapada kuasa, di-sini bertindak , ada sa-tengah2 negara kita sendiri, pulang kapada yang mengatakan chukai itu pemba- kita-lah kesemua-nya. yaran di-atas panggilan talipon lebeh Yang selalu berbangkit dalam daripada sa-ratus panggilan itu tidak perkara chukai ini, sa-barang chukai, `adil. Saya rasa apa yang telah di- bila datang tahunan, atau dalam buat di-pinda mengenai pembayaran Dewan2, sama ada Dewan Ra`ayat, talipon yang di-buat oleh Yang Ber- Dewan Negara atau Dewan Negeri hormat Menteri Kewangan kits, ada- perkara chukai itu chukup rumit. Ada lah chukup2 baik . Kita dudok dalam daripada manusia2, buat kata orang Dewan ini, sa-barang undang2 yang Melayu, kalau hendak makan sahaja kita hendak timbangkan, biar-lah dengan tidak berak, pechah perut. dengan timbangan yang `adil jangan Tetapi, hendak suroh Kerajaan ini berat sa-belah . Kalau main berat sa- berak, berak, berak ! hendak sarakan belah tidak boleh. Sa-rupa dengan dalam Kemajuan Luar Bandar, Per- kedudokan Dewan ini bagitu juga tahanan dan sa-bagai-nya, negeri dalam tidak `adil. Saraan di-sabelah beri konfrantasi , kalau Kerajaan ini tidak chukup, yang sa-belah lagi di-beri dapat hendak makan macham mana tidak chukup itu juga tidak `adil. hendak suroh berak. Kalau hendak Pendek kata, bukan sa-kadar chukai2 suroh teran juga, keluar tombong-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Jadi kita dudok atau pun bayaran di-atas panggilan talipon itu sahaja sa-barang-nya. dalam Dewan ini kita hendak-lah insaf sadikit . Kerana kalau tumboh -nya sa-suatu Gunong yang susah itu banyak, chukai yang tidak sesuai dan tidak tetapi gunong yang susah itu banyak, `adil, kita sa-sama kita tidak mengapa- tetapi gunong yang senang itu tidak banyak. lah, kita di-duna sahaja tidak apa, tetapi yang susah -nya, sa-telah kta Sa-barang chukai, sa-barang apa juga mengagong2kan yang negara in i yang di-ambil, kalau sama di-antara merasmikan Islam menjadi ugama orang kaya dengan orang miskin, tidak rasmi , bila sa-suatu kerja kita men- `adil. Bila tumboh tidak `adil, jadi j2lankan tidak kena pada tempat-nya dzalim, bila dzalim, berdosa. Maka, tidak `adil, agak saya , kita tidak boleh sebab itu menasabah apa yang telah lari daripada kesalahan yang kita di-boat oleh pehak Kabinet, erti-nya lakukan itu, daripada pehak yang Menteri Kewangan kita meletakkan menguasai seluroh `slam ini, is-itu pembayaran itu ada-lah menasabah. Tuhan. Tidak payah bising lagi tidak payah 1185 22 DECEMBER 1965 1186 pinda. Kalau kita hendak berchakap Sa-lain daripada itu, Dato' Yang banyak, bayar-lah. Orang yang tidak di-Pertua, sunggoh pun meshuarat kita berchakap banyak dia bayar sadikit. ini hendak di-habiskan dengan sa- chepat2-nya pads hari ini, ini-lah yang Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- melemakan sadikit, Dewan Ra`ayat Pertua, perkara bantuan kapada bermeshuarat berpuloh2 hari, tetapi Sekolah Ugama Ra`ayat. Saya minta- Dewan Negara ini dengan masa yang lah kapada pehak yang bertanggong- sa-kejap sahaja. Ada sa-tengah2-nya jawab menimbangkan rayuan saya, yang hendak mengeluarkan apa yang kerana saya ini selalu di-datangi ka- dalam hati, tidak dapat, maka sebab rumah tidak berhenti2 slang, malam itu-lah sa-tengah2 Ahli Dewan Ra`ayat pukul 3.00 malam pun marl lagi. mengechap Ahli Dewan Negara ini Tetapi dalam pada itu pun, ada orang sa-bagai Ahli Rubber Stamp. Sebab itu- berkata "Ahli Dewan Negara ini lah elaun pun tidak patut sama, biarkan bukan apa, main rubber stamp sahaja". $500 tidak usah $750. Pada hal kita Tetapi, dia tidak sedar siang malam j uga berhak, tidak berj clan Dewan kena buat kerja. Bukan Dewan Ra`ayat melainkan dengan kelulusan Ra`ayat sahaja bertanggong-jawab. daripada kita sendiri. Itu patut di- Hingga layanan pun tidak boleh di- timbangkan jikalau tidak mahu Dewan beri kapada Ahli Dewan Negara ini ini senget (Ketawa). kerana mereka tidor sahaja bukan kerja apa rubber stamp ! Bantuan Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Sekolah kadang2 sampai berbulan2 sudah-lah Pertanian yang di-Bumbong Lima di- bantuan itu sadikit ma`alum-lah di- sana hampir siap. Ini sa-buah Sekolah dahulukan Sekolah Ugama Ra`ayat Pertanian yang mana sekolah itu-lah ini kerana dha`if -nya dan kelemahan- yang chukup2 memberi faedah. Dengan nya boleh di-katakan kebanyakan guru keluar-nya penuntut2 daripada Sekolah yang mengaj ar sa-chara lillahi ta`ala Pertanian itu akan berkembang-lah benar2 kerana bertanggong-jawab di- berchuchok tanam khas-nya berchu- atas perkembangan ugama. chok tanam daripada makanan2 yang mema`amorkan negeri. Saya harap Jadi saya merayu-lah di-sini kapada Sekolah Pertanian yang terletak di- Menteri kita is-itu saya berharap Bumbong Lima, di-Kepala Batas sana tolong sampaikan-lah supaya bantuan2 tempat saya sendiri, ini bukan hak itu j angan lewat, j angan lama2 sangat, Kepala Batas sendiri tetapi hak kerana susah-nya bagi guru2 yang seluroh-nya tetapi di-buat di-sana mengajar. Perkara ugama di-dalam sebab di-sana kawasan2 padi banyak, Sekolah Ugama Ra`ayat di-pandang padi dua kali sa-tahun, tiga kali pun rendah oleh sa-tengah2 orang. Tetapi boleh. Di-uchapkan terima kaseh sa-benar-nya perkembangan politik ini kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat daripada mula-nya lagi, kalau tidak Kerjasama, tetapi malang-nya pula di- silap, Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku letakkan Sekolah Pertanian itu di-sana Perdana Menteri sendiri berkata : khas-nya tempat itu padi chukup "saya dok sangka rupa-nya mereka banyak. jalan bawa unchang, bawa itu, bawa ini, rupa-nya itu ada politik pada Dato' Yang di-Pertua, yang men- mereka." Ini cherita betul Yang Ter- datangkan rumit bagi kami sana, bila amat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri peluang2 itu telah di-tedangkan kapada sendiri. Bererti perkembangan politik mereka sedangkan Kerajaan sendiri ini boleh di-katakan banyak yang telah meletakkan Sekolah Pertanian tumboh daripada Sekolah2 Ugama itu di-Bumbong Lima di-kawasan2 Ra`ayat. Ini siapa pun tidak boleh yang benar2 banyak padi dan jiran menafikan saya sa-orang daripada- di-tepi-nya itu Kedah bagitu juga nya. Jadi rayuan ini meminta-fah kawasan-nya chukup banyak padi chepatkan sadikit kerana bantuan ini Kedah-lah nombor satu fasal padi. bukan-lah banyak. Jadi bila sampai Manakala hendak buat kilang kertas, bantuan itu seronok-lah sadikit guru2 Oh ! j erami tidak chukup, bahan di- itu. buat daripada jerami nilai kertas tidak 1187 22 DECEMBER 1965 1188 baik dan bermacham2 hujah lagi telah menyampaikan perkara ini, tidak di-beri. Pada ha! Tunku Yang Teramat membawa perkara ini di-dalam Mulia sendiri, manakala hendak boat Kabinet. Jadi sebab itu saya merayu- kilang baja dan kilang kertas, Tunku lah di-pertimbangkan balek sa-mula Perdana Menteri sendiri mengatakan juga perkara yang berkaitan dengan kalau dual sa-kali di-buat tentu terok, Bertam Estate yang telah di-beli oleh belanja amat besar. Oleh itu buat-lah Bank Persatuan Saberang Perai, boleh dahulu kilang kertas-dia menyokong. di-katakan memberi faedah kapada Kalau Perdana Menteri sendiri sudah seluroh orange yang susah di-dalam beri sokongan, mengapa Pula terbalek ? kawasan utara, banyak. Tetapi Kalau Tunku Yang Teramat Mulia mengenai kedudokan pinjaman Bank Perdana Menteri sendiri, mengenal itu terhadap pehak yang meminjam, fasal bumiputera, bila dia beri satu bayaran bunga pun sudah berpuloh2 ta`arif semua Oran) kata Ya ! betul, ribu. Jadi saya merayu-lah perkara2 ikut Perdana Menteri." Tetapi tentang ini telah pun ma`alum pehak Menteri ini, kami tidak boleh. Ini pelek sadikit. Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama Dato' Yang di-Pertua, beri-lah supaya boleh di-beri pinjaman mudah2- sadikit ! Sebab saya j uga satu daripada- han dapat-lah Bank Kesatuan ini nya, bukan anggota, tetapi yang ber- menyelesaikan kedudokan Bertam Es- ikhtiar bersama2 dengan pehak yang tate itu supaya ahli2 jawatankuasa-nya hendak mendirikan kilang kertas di- dapat tidor lena sadikit. Ini tiap2 sana telah bersusah payah membanchi malam macham hendak nechah kepala segala jerami2 dan sa-bagai-nya, tetapi mengenangkan kedudokan Bertam Estate. dengan kegagalan, tunggu dari sa-tahan ka-satahun sa-hingga saham pun tidak Dato' Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang berapa orang hendak keluarkan, ini berkaitan dengan luar negeri. Ada semis karut belaka. Yang lebeh2 juga saya dapati saperti mana Duta mendukachitakan kami di-sana, takut atau Konsol-nya dan kaki-tangan-nya dengan kerana akibah itu, kami hendak yang berada di-Judah dan yang ada buat kerj a pun payah kerana d i - di-Republik Arab Bersatu. Tetapi yang chapkan kami Wakil Ra`ayat ini-lah aneh-nya. di-Judah bagi pehak Kera- wakil yang chukup2 pembohong. jaan Saudi Arabia, kita tahu banyak Datang beri propaganda untok mena- daripada orange kita, khas-nya orang rek pengundi2 sahaja tetapi buat-nya Islam-lah kerana tempat itu tempat tidak. Yang hendak timpa bala itu orange Islam, bila pergi ka-sana, bila atas kepala kami. Oleh itu, Dato' Yang balek, bermacham2 angkara telah ber- di-Pertua, saya berchakap di-sini laku dalam negeri kita mi. supaya dapat kira-nya pehak yang Fatwa2 telah di-beri kadang2 di-sana, bertanggong-jawab dalam perkara per- dia ta' tahu kedudokan negeri, jadi u sahaan, tolong-lah timbang sa-mina bagi pehak wakil Kerajaan ini yang dan bantuan2 itu patut sangat di-beri, ada di-Judah di-sana, sa-patut-nya faedah-nya terpulang kapada ahli2 di-tempat itu-lah di-datangi oleh peladang yang kesemua-nya boleh manusia dari sa-genap cherok pelusok, di-katakan chukup banyak. merata dunia, kembangkan-lah pene- Saya takut satu sahaja, kerana orang rangan supaya orange tahu kedudokan Melayu-lah yang chukup banyak kita ini khas-nya yang tinggal di-sana mengambil peranan di-dalam persawa- yang ta' balek2 supaya j angan d i - han. Kalau kegagalan pula terj adi fatwakan dengan buta-tuli, dia dudok di-atas perkara ini, saya takut banyak di-sana dia ta' tahu kedudokan kita lagi perkara lain akan gagal, kerja2 kita di-sini_. Ada sa-tengah2-nya sunggoh juga akan rosak. Sebab itu-lah ner- pun dia berasal dari sini tetapi dudok timbangan patut di-buat dan Yang d^-sana ta' balek2, dia sudah bertanah Teramat Mulia sendiri, saya dengar ayer di-sana. dia sendiri pun bersetuju. Saya dengar Sunggoh pun orang Melayu ta' tahu pula perkara ini mengatakan, pehak hal ehwal di-sini, orang di-sini pula yang bertanggong-jawab sendiri tidak membawa perkara2 itu dan dia ta' tahu 11 89 22 DECEMBER 1965 1190 dari hal ehwal selok kedudokan di-situ Dato' Yang di-Pertua, d-harap bagi tumboh-lah perkara2 yang tidak di- pehak Kerajaan kita ini dapat dual ingini sa-hingga datang sa-orang dari- buah negeri itu, tolong-lah a moil pada sa-tengah2 orang itu kerana dua chara2 yang membawakan kebaikan tiga orang sudah menjadi rumit dalam negara kta ini, perkembangan ugama negeri kita ini tidak dapat hendak di- dalam soal2 ugama yang sesuai dengan selesaikan. Sebab perkara itu saya pemerentahan, di-perkembangkan di- salah sa-orang daripada kawan2 saya sana dengan chukup2 kapada orange yang lain lagi yang selalu menutupkan yang ada di-sang daripada orange perkara yang berbangkit di-atas Melayu yang menjadi ra`ayat di-sana kedudokan negara kita mi. yang ta' balek ka-sini supaya orange yang pergi ka-sana tidak membawa Jadi saya harap-lah pehak Kerajaan balek perkara yang remit yang susah- kita ini sa-bagai sa-buah Kerajaan nya wakil2-lah besok yang pechah yang merasmikan ugama Islam menjadi kepala. ugama yang tunggal, supaya memberi arahan, bantuan yang lebeh2 banyak Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bagitu juga supaya di-perkembangkan benar2 di- perkara yang berkaitan dengan ter- tanah suchi sana tempat perhimpunan jadi-nya di-Dewan Ra`ayat perkara manusia yang datang daripada sa- bakal2 haji. Tempelak2 sudah berlaku, genap cherok pelusok. Bagitu juga saya takut satu dengan jiran tetangga Duta di-Republik Arab Bersatu, wakil di-Indonesia sana pun sudah bangkit kita di-Republik Arab Bersatu yang konfrantasi, sudah kelamkabut dengan ada di-Cairo ma`alum negara, negara kita, sudah na' putus. Kita harap talak goyang padang pasir kalau-lah susah dua-fah, jangan-lah talak tiga; ada la.gi sadikit kalau2 kita dudok di-sana rujok, ada dapat rujok balek. silap2 sadikit kita kelamkabut di-buat- Lepas daripada itu sa-buah lagi nya juga lama2 meja dan kerusi pun sudah berlaku dengan Pakistan. Kita tertinggal kalau2 ta' silap, sebab di- harap juga talak dua, bukan talak natahkan oleh orange di-sabelah timor, tiga. Ini-lah pula kalau di-bangkitkan khas-nya, di-Tanah Arab dengan kata2 tidak kena gaya-nya pula, silap2 pula pepatah mereka, "Negara, kau datang putus satu lagi. Jadi dengan chary sa-chara apa, kaya dalam itu pun ada putus dengan negeri2 ini, putus per- kaya kau datang sho` dalam itu pun hubongan, lagi kelam-kabut. ada sho` kau, datang miskin, dalam negara ini ada miskin, serba serbi-nya, Negeri ini tempat kita, mahu tidak mahu, terpaksa orang kita terpaksa kena pergi ka-tempat2 itu, ada satu Mr President: Saya harap tuan rukun yang terpaksa hendak kena buat. rengkaskan perchakapan tuan itu Jadi berbangkit perkara fasal haji sadikit supaya memberi peluang orang saya ini pun lama juga dudok di-sana. lain dapat berchakap. Perkara fasal jualan2 kapada orange haji, jadi satu bahan di-uchapkan Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Haji di-dalam Dewan Ra'ayat, pada hal Abdullah: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya yang saya tabu, saya pun lama bukan pun hendak rengkaskan juga dengan hendak Bela Kerajaan Saudi Arabia. sa-berapa boleh-nya. Ini-lah yang tetapi sa-bagai tempat itu tempat susah yang saya katakan tadi, Dewan haji saya pun lama di-sana. Tumboh- Ra`ayat bermeshuarat berhari2 yang nya perkataan tipu-menipu macham2 kita ini dengan tergopoh-gapah selalu chara, bawa barang2 pergi jual kapada j adi pekak telinga, pedeh, bawa beg orang haji. Kalau orang bawa barang naik lalu ini puck rubber stamp sudah itu jual kapada kita, kalau kita tidak man, dudok sini na' luas sadikit ta' mahu beli, apa salah-nya. Orang boleti, bawa beg puak Dewan Senget hendak jual baran, kalau kita tidak sudah maxi. Jadi di-sini keluar sadikit mahu beli, tidak-lah patut dia chekek pun ta' boleh, Jadi saya pun tidak tahu leher. Mengapa di-bangkit2kan perkara hendak kata apa. ltu. 1191 22 DECEMBER 1965 1192

Saya takutkan, ini sa -buah negeri, magi-lah dengan sedeh. Hendak retak, sa-buah negeri j adi putus besok, kita yang saya takutkan ini sa-buah negeri, sudah dudok di-tinggalkan macham sa-buah negeri, lama2 kelam-kabut kera sumbang takut putus. Sa-bagai kita. Dewan ini yang di-uchapkan oleh sa-tengah2 Ahli2 Dewan Ra`ayat-- Jadi saya perbetulkan balek perkara Senate elaun pun tidak boleh sama ini yang sa-benar-nya tidak salah kita. sana $750.00 di-sini $500 .00 sama? Kurang daripada Duta2 kita yang ada Tidak boleh ! Kita berfikir panjang di- di-sana, yang bertanggong -jawab di- atas satu2 perkara , j angan berlaku-nya sana, bukan dudok di-pejabat hendak kedudokan di-antara sa-buah negara menjalankan case passport sahaja, dengan sa-buah negara, khas-nya tern- tetapi yang banyak lagi, wakil kita di- pat yang kita terpaksa menunaikan sana diplomat apa-kah kerj a-nya? rukun2 haji yang lima di-sana. Kalau Dia kena masok merata cherok tumboh-nya di-hati mereka kesedehan di-mana Tok2 Sheikh yang berasa di-atas paluan2 yang timbul di-Dewan nampak-nya merbahaya kapada kita, Ra`ayat ini ma`alum sahaja-lah masok beri tahu ini dia chara bagi Keraj aan Arab Saudi, kalau tidak silap kita, ini chara-nya. Tidak ada yang saya, ini Kerajaan kaya raja minyak. lain2 bila mana Saya bercherita, aku Dahulu di-Mekah boleh di-katakan sudah tahu case itu j angan di-kachau2 terlalu banyak orang haji kadang2 ber- ini, tetapi kalau kita dudok diam larat dengan taun , tetapi sa-panjang sahaja, ashek dudok hendak dudok j clan sekarang di-ikhtiarkan , di-usaha- tunggu passport, orang haji datang kan kesihatan2, boleh di-katakan orang sahaja baharu hendak buat kerja, yang menjaga kesihatan sa-panjang many boleh macham itu. Ini-lah dia, jalan, di-buat-nya jalan berbatu2 Dato' Yang di-pertua , yang Saya dapat kerana hendak memberi orange haji kerana saya ini pun banyak gang ini pergi mengambil haji dengan di- Mekah, j adi perkhabaran banyak senang. datang pada saya , walau pun di- Tiba2 dengan kerana perkara kechil, Khairah pun gang saya banyak. Saya fasal nama, ada tipu helah pula meng- minta-lah perkara ini di-perbetulkan. ambil nama orang "kaiau hang hendak buboh nama hang, tolong-lah Sa-lain daripada itu, sadikit me- tukar nama saya Awang Dokek ngenal kedudokan penuntut2 yang dahulu, apa yang sesuai bagi saya". balek daripada Al-Azahar, supaya To'2 Sheikh fikir juga, sebab saya pun dapat satu pertimbangan, bukan-lah tahu perkara ini yang banyak daripada sa-kadar yang mana balek dari sa-belah Indonesia-lah nama pelek2, Al-Azhar itu boleh dudok dalarn sa-belah kita ini pun ada, j uga tetapi j awatan ugama sahaja, kerana mereka sa-belah kita ini kurang nama2 itu j uga dapat pengalaman yang banyak. bagus, j adi dalam sa-tengah2 negeri Jangan Pula sa-tengah2 memikirkan nama2 itu tidak bagus, meminta kaiau pergi Bela j ar ugama dudok kapada To' Sheikh kadang2 tok' dalazn sekolah2 ugama atau di-Univer- ulama', "Tuan tolong-iah menamakan sity Al-Azhar juga pelajaran ugama saya ini" dia pun saya pun boleh sahaja, tetapi hendak-lah kita fikirkan. tunj okkan chara-nya itu, buka kapala Istilah dalam perkara ugama penoh lutut ambit serban ikat di-kepala, dengan pengertian , sebab itu saya ambil letak di-atas kepala itu ...... juga ingin hendak menerangkan ugalna, (bahasa Arab) . Erti-nya, aku namakan bila sebut ugama sahaja, kesemua-nya ini si-anu, si-anu, alfa-tihah ! Bacha- sudah masok, penuntut2 yang pergi lah fatihah meminta berkat, tolong- di-luar negeri itu mempelajari dalam lah ubah nama saya ini . Ini bukan Al-Azhar bukan sa-mata2 perkara kerj a tipu, kita yang hendak orang ugama sahaja. Supaya harap dapat kita yang hendak, bagitu j uga mereka, pertimbangan daripada penuntut2 yang kita yang hendak . Kalau di-angkat balek daripada negara itu, bukan perkara2 dalam Dewan Ra`ayat sa- sa-kadar boleh dudok menjadi guru tengah Wakil Ra`ayat tidak tahu, ugama sahaja atau dudok di-sekolah2 1193 22 DECEMBER 1965 1194 menengah sahaja atau pun boleh dudok Berbangkit perkara ugama ini di-radio sahaja sebab dia boleh ber- mengenai wang itu boleh-kah di-jadi- chakap Arab tetapi di-dalam j awatan2 kan wang pesaka? Maka tumboh-nya yang lain patut juga di-pertimbangkan keputusan sa-mata2 wang yang di-bayar mengikut kelayakan-nya. Kita belanja kapada tiap2 bulan, kalau dia di- banyak juga wang sara di-beri sa-masa masokkan sa-lama 55 tahun, saya di-Khairah sana. mithalkan, da^am satu tahun 2 tahun Satu lagi, saya harap pada Kerajaan, dia pun mati. Jadi wang yang dapat di-Madinah j uga ada satu University itu, oh, tidak boleh, yang boleh supaya dapat pula Kerajaan kita mahu di-j adikan wang peninggalan dia is-lah mengambi l peranan meletakkan pula wang sa-mata2 yang di-bayar tiap2 satu asrama di-Madinah sana . Tempat bulan. Yang ini dia tidak dapat. Pada pemimpin alam ada di-sana-kubor hal kalau dia mati dalam masa dua junjongan kita Nabi Muhammad tahun, wang itu dia dapat kalau $30 (s.a.w.), University ada di-sana, di- $30-lah. Jadi wang itu, sebenar-nya Madinah. University sana, sara pun lari di-mana? Kerana j aminan itu, chukup pada hal anak2 Melayu yang kalau wang ini tidak di-ambil, jadi pergi sara di-beri chukup, tempat wang itu hendak di-lampirkan ka- tinggal dengan makanan semua-nya mana? Kalau wang itu sa-benar-nya wang poket lagi di-beri, bukan ra`ayat wang si-mati itu, maka wang itu sudah dia, tetapi bagitu sa-kali segala jadi pesaka. Kalau anak kechil penuntut patut-lah bagi pehak Kera- pula, anak tidak baligh, erti-nya jaan mengadakan pula asrama di-Pusat orang petuakan, menghanamkan, mette- Perkembangan Islam yang menjadi nyapkan wang si-anak yatim, mele- ugama rasmi di-negeri kita ini di- nyapkan wang anak yatim, kesalahan Madinah sana, tolong buka satu untok amat besar. Saya bukan hendak kita dapat menghantarkan penuntut2, menjadi mufti pula dalam Dewan mi. ilmu pengetahuan yang ghaib dan ilmu Jadi saya harap dapat pertimbangan khas-nya perkara ugama yang menjadi supaya orange yang dapat didekan rasmi di-negeri kita ini supaya j angan dalam perkara ugama tahu selok-belok Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Kuala sa-benar-nya datang di-pusat2 yang Lumpur, Che' Aishah, fasal perche- betul2 faham dengan perkara kedu- raian dalam Islam kita, banyak sangat dokan, bukan sa-kadar mengajar supaya di-adakan undang2 lebeh ketat. fardzu sembahyang sahaja, bukan Sa-benar-nya itu semua-nya ada, tidak hendak mengajar puasa sahaja, tetapi ada apa yang kurang pun dalam selok-belok dalam kedudokan ugama Undang2 Islam. Tetapi malang-nya supaya jangan bertelengkah perjalanan yang memegang jawatan itu hingga kita sa-bagai ugama rasmi dengan yang dudok dalam pej abat sendiri. Kerajaan biar berkembang berjalan Terjadi satu perkara ini saya hendak dengan baik, itu tujuan kita. bercherita, sudah bertengkar dengan Itu saya ulang sa-kali lagi, tolong- dia sa-bagai sa-orang ahli, apa dia, lah pehak Menteri yang ada di-sini perkara Insurance nyawa, sama ada supaya menyampaikan, tolong buka kita masok dalam sharikat2 bagitu juga sate lagi Asrama di-Madinah mudah2an dalam insuran. Dia ada sa-orang ya`ani dengan berkat pertolongan itu tiap2 penama, orang yang di-namakan maulud, tiap2 tahun, bila sampai 12 sa-orang lagi, menjadi warith dia. Jadi Rabiul Awal chuti, pasal mera`ikan tum boh d i-atas perkara wan g2 yang junjongan kita Nabi Muhammad di-dapati daripada jaminan yang akan (s.a.w). Tempat sini di-buka satu di-bayar daripada insuran nyawa, Universiti bukan mengajar ugama kalau sa-saorang itu masok insuran- sahaja yang saya tahu, sedangkan nya dengan masa, katakan-lah 50 sekolah anak yatim yang ada di- tahun atau pun 30 tahun dengan Madinah, anak2 yatim yang ada bayaran2 yang sekian2. Kalau dia tidak sekolah Madinah itu di-buat per- mati wang itu sa-olah2 macham wang usah aan2, sama ada kasut dan lain2, simpanan, ada lagi tambahan, apa lebeh baik daripada orange yang buat orang panggil `bonos'. di-luar yang berniaga ini. Bagitu punya 1195 22 DECEMBER 1965 1196 elok-nya pengaj aran di-beri, nilaian ini yang akhir betul2. harga-nya lebeh. Jadi kalau buka Bahasa Kebangsaan tahun 1966 di-sana satu, banyak-lah dapat anak2 hendak masok tahun 1967 sudah dekat. muda kita balek mengambil peranan Tetapi sa-makin dekat sampai saya dalam pemimpin ugama Islam yang tengok dalam Dewan ini pun muka menjadi ugama rasmi. saya naik tempelak. Saya chatit dari- Akl► ir sa-kali, Dato' Yang di- pada sa-orang ka-saorang, chakap Pertua ...... Melayu sudah tidak mahu lagi-lah. Mr President: Lekas-lah, beri pe- Semua berchakap bahasa Inggeris. luang orang lain hendak berchakap. Betul berchakap bahasa Inggeris, pada Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Haji masa ini ya. Tetapi mana boleh sedap Abdullah: Habis, Saya pun tidak ada terbit daripada lidah-nya sendiri dari- lagi, biar-lah apa yang terbuku di-hati pada dudok mendengar terjemahan. ini terpendam shore saya di-dalam Kadang2 sa-tengah-nya berchakap lekas perkara Talivishen Bahagian Pene- macham berteh. Mana tahan si-penter- rangan. Sunggoh pun dalam Talivishen jemah hendak ikut dia berchakap itu kadang2 ada j uga mimbar ugama, macham keretapi. Baharu hendak jadi patut-lah dalam Talivishen itu berchakap lagi dia sudah pergi j auh di-adakan foram2, mimbar Ugama dan kita yang menerima pun tidak di-dalam 4 macham; dalam bahasa dapat, chakap mana lebeh daripada Inggeris, dalam bahasa China berteh dalam buloh chepat. Kalau dia orang China pun banyak masok Islam chakap dengan satu bahasa; senang sekarang bahasa Tamil, bahasa Me- juga sadikit, sebab itu di-gunakan ! ayu, tetapi biar-! ah 4 ini berj alan satu bahasa kebangsaan yang tunggal di- faham. Jangan di-dalam bahasa negeri mi. Sunggoh pun sekarang ini Melayu chara satu macham, dalarn berjalan tetapi lateh-lah, apa salah-nya. bahasa China pula satu macham di- Yang aneh-nya si-Melayu sendiri : Ada bawa, dalam bahasa Inggeris satu pula yang menudoh Radio daripada macham tidak boleh biar sa-kata, orang kita orange yang bukan Melayu supaya si-China dengar pun sa-rupa, berchakap di-situ pelat. Tetapi sa- s T -India dengar sa-rupa, si-Melayu pun tengah-nya pula dia sendiri takut dengar sa-rupa, si-Inggeris dengan pun berchakap kerana dia takut pelat. Pada sa-rupa. Mudah2an yang di-rasmikan hal dia benar2 Melayu dia takut pelat itu dapat berjalan dengan lichin dan orang lain tidak apa, pada hal pelat2- keselurohan-nya orang faham, bukan nya di-fahami. Saya fakir saudara kita di-beri cherita di-dalam bahagian foram dalam Dewan ini pun pelat tetapi tidak ugama, di-titek-bengek perkara ran- pelat macham apa Pula. Berchakap chak masok dalam laut, hargm-kah, Inggeris juga, jadi saya tidak mengerti. haul, nanti dahulu mi. Kita mahu Jadi minta ma`af-lah, Tuan Yang di- kira negara ini yang sesuai dengan Pertua, sa-kali pun apa yang di-dalam kedudokan ugama rasmi dengan tidak Kati saya ini banyak sampai besok salah silap nanti perkara itu titek- pagi pun tidak habis minta ma`af, bengek tidak menjadi hat lagi. Itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau salah satu daripada shor supaya kalau silap dan saya minta-lah layanan di- sa-kira-nya balek anak2 kita daripada Dewan Senate ini biar-Iah terpachak Khairah, daripada Madinah, daripada sadikit, s :paya ian^an Dewan ini mana2 negeri, dapat berkumpul mem- langsong runtoh. Terima kaseh, Tuan ber cheramah dalam bahagian2 foram Yang di-Pertua. atau pun dalam Talivishen atau Radio Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan atau lain2 yang menasabah mengenai Yang di-Pertua, sudah sampai hari ini, kedudokan ugama di-negeri kita mi. tiga hari Dewan Negara menimbang- A.khir sa-kali Bahasa Kebangsaan. kan Rang Undang2 Belanjawan tahun Mr President: Dua tiga ka'.i dah 1966, dan saya nampak tiap2 Ahli akhir ! (Ketawa) ingin menyampaikan pendapat sa- Tuan Haii Ahmad bin Hail hingga kerana itu hari yang ketiga Abdullah: mi habis Iangsong, habis baharu saya dapat peluang berchakap. 1197 22 DECEMBER 1965 1.198

Sa-waktu Yang Berhormat Menteri di-jelaskan-lah, terpaksa di-tarek balek, Kewangan menyampaikan uchapan-nya masaalah chukai botol. Di-dalam tahun yang kurang lebeh 78 muka kapada 1966 akan datang di-timbuikan satu Dewan Ra`ayat dan salinan uchapan perkara baharu menggantikan chukai ini chuma di-kirimkan kapada tiap2 tudong botol chukai talipon. Lebeh Ahli Dewan Negara, saya dapati daripada 100 call kenakan 10 sen. banyak perkara2 yang dapat di-perde- Chukai ini juga sedang menerima ten- batkan akan tetapi sa-lama lebeh dari- tangan semenjak dalam bedongan-nya pada berbelas2 hari di-dalam Dewan lagi. Telor-nya belurn menetas, anak- Ra`ayat telah di-binchangkan sa-chara nya belum keluar tetapi dalam perinchian,;f tnaka pada pendapat saya bedongan, dalam telor, telah di-tentang bagi menghormati Dewan dan ma sa saperti Chukai Tutup Botol , saperti kits, tidak-lah mesti di-ulangi seal Turnover Tax. Barangkali kalau saya daripada uchapan Yang Berhormat mengatakan saya perchaya , mungkin Menteri Kewangan itu. saya tidak berbohong kapada diri saya Tetapi bagaimana pun, saya meng- chukai talipon ini akan berubah, walau alu2kan uchapan Ahii Yang Berhormat pun Ahli2 Perikatan sa-terus-nya ada itu bagi Ranchangan tahun 1966 yang yang mempertahankan sikap Kerajaan, rnana beliau telah mencheritakan dasar Kementerian Kewangan. senang dan susah , pahit dan maung, Di-dalam coal chukai tutup botol yang di-hadapi oleh Kerajaan. Kesu- waktu Budget Meeting tahun sudah, sahan itu dapat kita rasai bersama, tetapi akhir2-nya Kerajaan surrender, oleh kerana kekurangan wang. Tetapi Kerajaan hanya sa-kejap sahaja sang- chita2 terlalu besar saperti yang te'ah gup jadi Steam roll, untok jadi steam saya katakan dalam uchapan dalam roll sa-bentar kemudian itu dia gostan perbahathan Majlis Amanah Ra`ayat. (go astern) j uga. Baglni juga soal Masaalah pokok tidak mahu di-selesai- talipon. Sa-bahagian penyokong2 Kera- kan sebab. itu timbul-lah kesusahan jaan ada yang menyokong habisan2 kapada kita . Yang demikian tidak ada kerana mereka perchaya bahawa ana jalan lain me'ainkan naikkan chukai. yang Kerajaan hendak buat itu baik. Menaikkan chukai saperti yang telah Kebetulan pula mereka itu anggota di-j alankan pada tahun ini is-itu party. Di-dalam Dewan Ra`ayat dan menaikkan atau mengadakan satu jenis Dewan Negara ini pun sa-bentar tadi chukai2 tutup botol. Tentu-lah meng- kita ada dengar bagaimana ada ang- g&ikan hati kita semua apabi'a Menteri gota mempertahankan apa yang Kera- Kewangan sendiri mengakui bahawa jaan hendak buat 1tu balk . Tetani dalam perlaksanaan -nya amat sulit. kalau tidak sa'ah ana yang saya fikir- Kerana ada sa-tengah2 sharikat peng- kan chukai talipon ini akan menerima guna2 bahan2 minuman dalam botol perubahan dan m.engQi.git ja ri -Iah menggunakan tutup lama dan ada pula rereka2 yang mempertahankan dasar yang menukar dari botol kapada tin. Kerajaan yang boleh berubah satu hari Jadi mahu tidak mahu , sumber yang sa-nuloh kali. telah di-chadangkan untok mendapat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sukachita kewangan bagi negeri ini terpaksa di- mel hat perkembangan demokrast di- tutup kemba'i. Erti-nya Kerajaan sedan negeri k'ta ini, sa-kali pun kadang2 bahawa penipuan daripada orange saya fikir kta telah lebeh daripada yang berkenaan te'_ah benlaku untok demokrast terp'mpn malah-lah ter- mengellakkan diri mereka bertanggong- tekan tetapi bagaimana pun dari jawab membayar chukai kapada neuara dalam sedang tumboh dan tumboh mi. Tetapi yang aneh-nya sa-kali tidak ini-lah membawa s nar harapan yang ada satu t 'ndakan pun yang telah di- sa-baik2-nya bagi perkembangan de- ambil oleh Kerajaan dari segi undang2, mokrasi tanah ayer kita ini zaman kalau tidak ada undang,2 adakan hadapan. Saya katakan bagitu, Tuan undancv2 sa-panianc tahun 1965 ini, Yang di-Pertua, sebab sungnoh nun tetapi tidak pernah di-adakan. kenyataan menunjokkan jumlah Pem- Akhir2-nya di-dalam uchapan Men- banukang dalam Dewan Ra`ayat teni Kewangan di-Dewan Ra`ayat. tdak-lah sa-demikian besar-nya saperti 1199 22 DECEMBER 1965 1200 j umlah Pembangkang sa-belum tahun yang 14 buchu-nya atau jalor yang 14 1964, demikian juga dalam Dewan kapada bendera-nya berubah . Dia mesti Negara mi. Tetapi perbahasan2 yang di-ubah sa-hingga tinggal angka 13 -13 berlaku di-dalam Dewan Ra`ayat, juga buchu bintang, 13 jalor di-bendera di-dalam Dewan Negara, yang di- kita . Sampai hari ini Kerajaan belum katakan rubber stamp telah sa-makin mengubah. Apa-kah dari kalangan pangs dan menarek. Menarek kata Menteri2 Kerajaan Perikatan ini orange saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana atau manusia2 yang perchaya kapada bukan hanya apa yang di-katakan tahyul? Perchaya kapada suatu yang manusia2 Pembangkang sahaja yang timbul di`alam fikiran orange barat, berchakap sa-bagai sifat-nya Pembang- benchi kapada angka 13 sa•bagai kang, tetapi Ahli2 daripada pehak unlucky number . Saya tidak tahu pula Kerajaan sendiri pun telah mulai, apa-kah orang bijak (intellectual) yang sa-olah2 mereka Pula saperti Pem- menjadi Menteri2 ini menerima kapada bangkang. perkara tahyul, yang angka 13 ini sial? Tuan Yang di-Pertua , dengan sa.tu Atau mungkin Kerajaan maseh meng- perkataan dapat kita katakan, kalau harapkan2 Brunei masok Malaysia? ini telah terbukti dalam Dewan Ra`ayat Saya fikir jauh panggang dari api. dan Dewan Negara, tanda-nya tidak Sebab British yang membuat Malaysia ada ko-ordinasi di-kalangan parti dan British yang menentukan apa yang pemerentah sendiri . Sa-benar-nya kalau patut di-buat. ada sa-suatu yang patut kita malu Tuan Yang di-Pertua , sa-waktu Kerajaan-lah---maka gejala2 yang bentokan Malaysia, telah saya katakan, sudah terjadi akhir2 ini patut-lah tanpa Brunei, Malaysia merupakan terasa malu. satu pinggan yang sumbing . Tetapi Tuan Yang di-Pertua , masa yang lalu pinggan sumbing ini di-jalankan terus, banyak `yes', tetapi oleh kerana tidak kita keluarkan Singapura, maka dia tahan menahan perasaan yang bengkak telah berlubang di-tengah2-nya. Untok di-dalam dada, tidak tahan telinga mengharapkan Brunei masok, dia telah mendengar sungutan ra`ayat di- boleh masok dari dahulu , kalau tidak kampong2, akhir-nya di-kalangan timbul soal Indonesia menuntut supaya penyokong2 Kerajaan sendiri telah. di-adakan penyiasatan daripada Bang- timbul initiative untok menyatakan `no' sa2 Bersatu . British tahu kalau di- dan tidak sa-lama2-nya 'yes'. Saya adakan penyiasatan ka-atas ra`ayat. ingin mengatakan kepentingan demok- Brunei, ra.`ayat Brunei tidak akan ma:hu rasi negeri ini, tiap2 orang ra`ayat harus masok Malaysia . Maka gagal-lah berdiri di-atas dasar yang benar, diplomasi British . Lebeh baik Brunei mempertahankan yang benar, memper- jangan masok Malaysia . British dengan katakan yang benar dan untok itu kits British Adviser-nya saperti di-negeri2 harus bersikap saperti kata pepatah, kita dahulu , dan demikian Pula Brunei, biar sa-hari hidup sa-bagai singa, nasehat-nya mesti di-ikut . Kalau tidak jangan sa-ribu tahun hidup sa-bagai kerana tentangan dari Indonesia, kuching menjilat2 sa -mata2. memnta supaya United Nations sham- por tangan , menanya pendaaat ra`ayat, sukachita saya Tuan Yang di-Pertua , tentu Brunei telah masok . Sebab? menarek perhatian Dewan ini kapada Sebab British boleti berbuat bagitu. peranan yang di-mainkan oleh Perdana Dan tujuan yang di-buat Malaysia ini Menteri dan oleh Jabatan Perdana pun bagi kepentingan ekonomi Menteri . Satu daripada-nya berkenaan British---mempertahankan kepentngan dengan pemisahan Singapura-tin British. , dakan daripada Kerajaan sendiri. Saya perchaya saya tidak silap , apabila Tuan Yang di Pertua, sa-sudah Sngapura keluar bererti satu bintang Singapura keluar, pada fikiran kita atau sate jalor di-dalam bendera kita habis-lah. Demikian-lah yang di-sebut2 ikut keluar. Tetapi sampai hari ini, di-dalam uchapan atau perbahathan sa-panjang yang saga maseh ingat, mengenai Bill mengeluarkan, Singapura belum ada perubahan terhadap b:ntang daripada Malaysia . Tetapi rupa-nya 1201 22 DECEMBER 1965 1202 penyakit ini tidak habis dengan di- lebeh baik? Apa guns, harta berkarong2 keluarkan sahaja. Dia terus-menerus kalau nama-nya busok dan rendah? menimbulkan pening kepala kapada Bear hidup miskin, tetapi jiwa-nya Kerajaan Persekutuan Malaysia, benar dan dia di-hormati orang. khusus-nya kapada Tunku Abdul Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mithal- Rahman Putra Alhaj. Dari Singapura, nya, saya tidak ikut menudoh dalam mereka berteriak, kita ada-lah sa-buah perkara Rahman Talib. Kalau Kera Kerajaan yang berseh. Tidak demikian j aan membenarkan ...... hal-nya dengan Malaysia yang cor- rupted. Apa? Dahulu: dia dalam Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar: Sir, on a Malaysia, boleh kita ambil tindakan. point of order - Standing Order 35 (2). Sekarang di-luar Malaysia, mempunyai The case is still sub judice. Can the kedaulatan dan di-akui oleh bangsa2 Honourable Member touch on that? di-dunia de facto-nya dan de jure-nya. Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tu an Tuan Yang di-Pertua, nyata-lah kita Yang di-Pertua, saya faham, Standing terpaksa menghadapi semua perkara Order tidak membenarkan kita yang timbul di-dalam negara ini, atau menyentoh perkara yang sedang dalam di-timbulkan oleh Singapura yang di- timbangan mahkamah. Tetapi, saya keluarkan daripada Persekutuan tidak menyentoh perkara-nya--saya Malaysia, mahu atau tidak mahu. membuat chontoh teiltang kejadian. Image Malaysia di-luar negeri, walau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau ` perkara apa pun hendak di-pertahankan oleh ini di-terima, adakan Surohaniaya seluroh anggota Kabinet di-dalam Penyiasat, tidak-lah menjadi fasal Dewan ini, tape orang tahu image berpanjang2. Kalau benar, benar-lah, Malaysia telah jatoh, sa-jatoh2-nya. kalau tdak, tidak-lah. Scapa salah Apa-tah lagi, dengan perpechahan siapa yang bertanggong-jawab. Tetapi Singapura, maka bertambah kuat, dan ini tidak, akibah-nya timbul-lah per- bertambah balk peluang bagi gulongan2 bahathan di-Dewan Ra`ayat yang yang ingin menjatohkan lagi image bagitu panjang, bagitu hebat, di-dalam Malaysia dengan sa-bebas-nya. perkara Supplementary Bill yang saya Sebab itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sengaja tidak ikut berbahath di-dalam Kerajaan harus-lah berikhtiar menjadi- Bill itu baharu2 ini. Perbelanjaan wang kan Kerajaan ini dan negara kita ini, ra`ayat sa-banyak $88,000, wang satu negara yang tidak ada rasuah. ra`ayat itu wang amanah, amanah Kita mempunyai Jabatan Penchegah ra`ayat supaya di-belanjakan oleh Rasuah. Tetapi saya tidak dengar, ada Kerajaan dengan betul di-tenipat yang tangkapan2, pembicharaan2 yang ber- betul. Tetapi Kerajaan telah belan j a- laku, hasil daripada rasuah. Konon kan di-satu tempat yann tidak menye- khabar-nva, sudah berganti2 Ketua nangkan hati ra`ayat. Mengapa Parti Jabatan Penchegah Rasuah ini. Entah Perikatan tidak mengeluarkan wang? kerana tidak seronok kerja di-sini, Mengapa tidak timbul ura2 atau ter entah kerana tertekan perasaan j iwa- dengar berita menaatakan orang nva dalam memeang kerja Ketua Perikatan atau orang UMNO khusus- Jabatan ini, entah ba^aimana, Tuhan- nya mengeluarkan derma untok lah yang men^etahui. Tetapi, saya perbicharaan atau perbelanjaan untok mahu men^atakan rasuah sangat-lah menanggong belanja perbicharaan itu? sukar hendak di-berkas, kala.u di- Tetapi Syed Jaafar Albar telah di- kehendaki saksi2 dan kalau di-kehen- beri bantuan moral dan wang oleh daki di-bawa ka-dalam mahkamah. orange Perikatan. Mengapa? Tentu ada Jalan yang paUng baik, kalau timbul sa-suatu di-pehak orange Perikatan sa-suatu tudohan menaenai rasuah, sendiri. Penggunaan wang ini telah di- adakan Surohaniaya Penviasat. Saya luluskan oleh Dewan, tetapi ini harus perchava dia akan terbuka banyak menjadi satu pengaj gran kapada Kera- tembelanc di-dalam neeri ini pun jaan Perikatan bahawa jangan-lah akan terbuka. Dan neeri kita berseh chuba2 hendak terus jadi steam roll. nama kita balk. Bukan-kah itu yang Fikir-lah apa yang di-1c atakan oleh 1203.22 DECEMBER 1965 1204.

Pembangkang atau yang di-katakan saya bekerja, berusaha pula menyemak oleh pengikut2-nya sendiri yang kebe- pergi membetulkan balek perkara mi. tulan tidak menjadi Menteri sebab Itu-Iah sedang saya tunggu2kan . Tetapi demokrasi yang sa-benar2-nya, Tuan mengapa saya mesti pergi ka-tempat Yang di-Pertua , is-lah apa yang di- menyemak meminta di-betulkan balek katakan fikiran2 yang di-hormati dan pada hal Benda itu tidak perlu jadi suara2 yang di-dengari , tanpa ada bagitu. Sebab nama saya memang ada fikiran manusia2 yang lain di-dengari dalarn buku pengundi. Kalau nama Kerajaan, tanpa ada suara2 ra`ayat isteri saya yang juga ada di-dalam yang di-suarakan oleh wakil2 kapada buku pengundi boleh di-daftar di-beri Kerajaan, tidak ada ma`ana dan tidak kad tanda dia telah di-daftarkan dun ada erti demokrasi. di-ubah di-dalam form B tetapi mengapa saya tidak boleh di-daftar Tuan Yang di-Pertua , satu masaalah pada hal saya tuan rumah lagi yang saya ingin sentoh is-lah seal ? Dia da.tang ka-rumah saya pilehan raya. Pilehan raya telah kita , dia tahu rumah saya. Tetapi tugaskan kapada Surohanjaya menge- ini-lah kejadian yang di-harap tidak akan di-biarkan kejadian sa- nai dengan pilehan raya . Tiap2 tahun boleh di-katakan Surohanjaya ini macham ini berlaku kerana sungutan2 menjalankan pendaftaran sa-mula mengenai pendaftaran ini berbagai pengundi2. Tetapi chara pekerja2-nya tempat berbagai macham rupa-nya tidak-lah bagitu memuaskan. Saya telah di-sungutkan oleh ra`ayat melalui akhbar2. tidak mahu berchakap panjang tetapi saya mahu memberi satu chontoh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sukachita supaya di-perbaiki sa-chepat mungkin. hendak menyentoh sadikit lagi tentang Saya sa-orang warga-negara Perseku- soal luar negeri . Satu daripada perkara tuan . Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya yang sangat menarek perhatian saya, mempunyai hak (entitle) menjadi sa - saya perchaya menarek perhatian sa- orang pengundi dan memang saya telah bahagian besar ra`ayat negeri is-lah pun menjadi pengundi . Tetapi kalau satu perubahan kita yang gilang ge- satu pilehan raya di-adakan dalam milang dan sejarah telah menchatitkan waktu yang singkat ini, dua atau tiga is-itu kemenangan diplomasi kita yang bulan ini, saya telah di-nafikan hak-nya mengakibatkan putus-nya hubongan untok mengundi . Mengapa ini terjadi, dengan Pakistan. Putus-nya hubongan Tuan Yang di-Pertua ? Baharu2 ini negara kita dengan Pakistan , negeri gerakan pendaftaran mengundi orange yang tidak berperang dengan Pakistan, baharu atau pertukaran orange lama bukan kerana kita melanggar Pakistan semua-nya berlaku di-seluroh negeri2 atau mengishtiharkan perang tidak. Tanah Melayu . Datang sa-orang pen- Yang berperang is-Iah India dengan daftar ini ka-rumah jam 11.00 pagi Pakistan satu bangsa bersaudara yang yang kebetulan saya tidak ada. Oleh berlainan ugama yang terpechah sa- kerana alamat rumah saya berubah, sudah kemerdekaan mereka baharu2 masok dalam kawasan pengundi juga, mi. tetapi rumah-nya berubah jadi di-isi- Tetapi soal-nya bagi kita, Tuan lah Borang B hanya untok isteri saya Yang di-Pertua, dan tidak untok saya dan tidak untok kerana kita sendiri lebeh suka mempertahankan wakil kita sa-orang lagi dalam rumah saya yang di-Bangsa2 Bersatu atau di-Majlis patut dan berhak mengundi kerana dia Keselamatan Bangsa2 Bersatu daripada telah chukup 21 tahun. mempertahankan kedudokan kita yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebab-nya berkechuali dalam pertentangan yang saya tidak ada di-rumah, dan berlaku di-dalam atau di-antara negeri2 sa-orang lagi yang telah genap umor Commonwealth sendiri. Diplomasi 21 tahun dan berhak mendaftar sa- yang telah kita j alankan, Tuan Yang bagai pengundi , pun pergi kerja dan di-Pertua, diplomasi pentadbiran, tidak ada di-rumah . Kerana itu saya amalan yang di-tinggalkan oleh penja- dan sa-orang lagi telah di -nafikan hak- jah B.A. atau British Adviser tidak nya untok mengundi . Jadi terpaksa-lah akan menyalahkan sa-orang pegawai 1205 22 DECEMBER 1965 1206 alat penjajahan di-negeri ini di-mata Selatan. Kita menentang, kita mengu- ra`ayat yang di-perentah, tetapi dia tok, kita marah British dan akhir2-nya akan bertindak kemudian daripada itu Kementerian Luar Negeri lagi menga- kalau perlu untok menukarkan pegawai takan bahawa sa-nya soal di-Afrika yang berkenaan ka-tempat lain atau Selatan ada-lah tanggong-jawab British. menahan atau bertindak apa2 sebab moral penjajah itu hendak di-jaga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lompat-lah pentadbiran penjajah hendak di-jaga. sa-berapa tinggi yang is ingin melom- Itu chara penjajahan dan itu-lah jugs pat; tetapi orang tahu sandiwara apa amalan kita, bersalah sa-kali wakil kita ini. Kalau telah kita faham bahawa di-Bangsa2 Bersatu . Saya tidak mahu ini-lah tanggong-jawab British yang mengeluarkan patah demi patah per- sa-benar2-nya, mengapa kita harus kataan walau pun saya sampan bersikap maseh bodoh, bersikap sa- keratan2 akhbar tetapi kita memper- bagai burong kasawari menyorok2kan tahankan habis2an yang berakibat kepala ka-dalam pasir membiarkan putus-nya hubongan diplomatik Pakis- badan sa-besar guni keluar. Mengapa tan dengan negeri kita. bagitu? British, telah saya katakan dalam Dewan ini berkalie, beang keladi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak kapada beberapa perkara yang berlaku mengerti mengapa kita hanya men- di-dalam dunia. jalankan diplomasi pentadbiran tetapi Masaalah Rhodesia Selatan masa- tidak menjalankan diplomasi sa-buah alah besar is-itu masaalah 200,000 kerajaan. Apa barangkali kita ini orang kulit puteh manusia saperti kita belum matang di-dalam chara diplo- berbanding 4 juta manusia kulit h.itam masi, belum matang dalam chara yang juga saperti kita sama2 manusia, perhubongan international akibat lama sama2 mankind, sama2 human being. benar kita ini terjajah, akibat lama Tetapi kata British kalau sa-kira-nya benar kita di-kongkong jiwa dan kita bertindak di-Rhodesia Selatan, fikiran oleh British. British sendiri satu akan timbul civil war (Perang Sau- bangsa yang terkenal handal dalam dara). British bijak, pandai berfikir, dia politik dan bijak dalam diplomasi. tahu Civil War, Perang Saudara, akan Tetapi sayang Inggeris meninggalkan terjadi kalau tindakan di-ambil ka-atas kita dengan tidak mengajar ilmu Rhodesia Selatan kerana 200,000 orang diplomasi kapada kita betul2 saperti kulit puteh di-sana. Tidak demikian dia meninggalkan ilmu pentadbiran-nya hal-nya di-Aden atau pun apa yang kapada kita supaya kita patoh kapada di-katakan Persekutuan Arab Selatan pentadbiran-nya, supaya kita pakai yang sama di-fikirkan dan di-ranchang-. Generale Order yang di-tinggal-nya, kan dengan Persekutuan Malaysia mi.. walau pun telah lapok sesuai untok zaman penjajah, terus kita pakai walau Di-Persekutuan Arab Selatan atau pun bertahun2 sa-telah kita merdeka, Aden itu British tidak bertanggoh2 terus kita patoh kapada kepentingan2 lagi bertindak, menangkap, membubar- ekonomi British yang ada dalam kan Kabinet, menggantong Perlemba- negeri2 kita. Pertahankan habis2an gaan dan apa sahaja dan kalau perlu walau pun miskin ra`ayat, menderita membunoh sa-berapa banyak orang ra`ayat kerana ada kepentingan2 eko- Arab boleh asalkan kepentingan nomi asing itu yang di-tinggalkan Britain terjamin. Tetapi mengapa kapada kita patoh untok kepentingan Kerajaan British tidak mahu bertindak dia tetapi yang patut di-ajar kapada di-Rhodesia Selatan? Kerana akan kita telah tidak di-ajarkan kapada kita. timbul Perang Saudara dan itu akan merugikan British. Kalau di-biarkan Sekarang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa- Rhodesia Selatan akan menguntongkan bagai orang yang patoh nampak-nya kepentingan2 British sebab itu maka bagitu-lah Malaysia, sa-kali lagi tampil berkawan-lah Afrika Selatar. ka-muka ta' kurang dan ta' kalah juga saperti dahulu sa-waktu Malaysia Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalarn tampil ka-muka dalam soal Afrika Dewan ini pernah saya sebutkan satu 1207 22 DECEMBER 1965 1208 perkataan yang pernah di-katakan oleh berganding2 tangan. Jadi ini semua Marshall Montgomery, Panglima sandiwara British apa yang Tunku Perang Inggeris, yang telah mengata- Abdul Rahman Putra Al-haj, Perdana kan walau bagaimana sa-kali pun akan Menteri kita, berteriak2. Saya kata tadi terjadi, Afrika Selatan ada-lah l^enting bagi anggota2 Dewan Negara dan kapada Inggeris. Sebab Tanjong Peng- Dewan Ra`ayat lebeh baik jadi singa harapan itu telah membuktikan betapa satu hari daripada menjadi kuching penting-nya bagi perhubongan England sa-ribu tahun. dengan Australia di-masa Perang Jalan keluar bukan hadhir sidang Dunia dan kejadian Perang Suez Perdana2 Menteri Commonwealth sa- dahulu. Untok kepentingan British, bagaimana yang di-chadangkan oleh untok kepentingan kulit puteh, baik Perdana Menteri, Sir Abu Bakar Taf a yang ada di-Barat atau yang ada di- Balewa, sebab chadangan Sir. Abu Selatan Dunia, Afrika Selatan mesti Bakar Tafa Balewa, Perdana Menteri di-pertahankan untok kepentingan Nigeria itu, akan sama-lah mutu-nya kulit puteh, untok kepentingan British saperti chadangan Tunku Abdul Rah- dan untok memperkuatkan kedudokan man Putra Al-haj, Perdana Menteri Afrika Selatan pula supaya jangan kita, dalam coal Afrika Se'_atan. Di- kulit2 hitam ini bangun di-Afrika Asia orang kenal negara kita dan dengan bantuan China Kominis. pemimpin negara kita di-Afrika pun Mudah2an di-jauhkan Allah dengan orang kenal Abu Bakar Tafa Balewa kesedaran bangsa Afrika dengan dan pemimpin Abu Bakar Tafa Balewa bantuan mereka itu, dengan Asia- di-Nigeria. Afrika akhir-nya orange yang berkulit Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang paling puteh yang sombong di-Afrika Selatan penting bagi saya bukan-lah mengada- itu akan di-tendang keluar dan orange kan sidang Perdana2 Menteri Common- yang berhak, akan dudok di-tempat wealth untok membinchangkan fasal yang hak-nya, di-Afrika itu sendiri. mi. Kalau satu sidang mahu di-adakan British tidak mahu perkara ini terjadi; merupakan international, maka sidang dengan sebab itu mesti di-beri peluang itu yang paling tepat is-lah Bangsa2 supaya ada kawan. Ian Smith kawan Bersatu, bukan Commonwealth yang baik kapada Perdana Menteri Bangsa2 Bersatu ! Sidang Common- Afrika Selatan, dan Rhodesia Selatan wealth tidak ada memberi apa2 Afrika pun telah menjadi pengkalan untok Selatan keluar daripada Common- kepentingan Barat. Masa pemberon- wealth, kerana usul Malaya di-waktu takan Tshombe di-Congo dengan itu. Tetapi hubongan dari dalam menegakkan Republik Katanga, niaka British berjalan terus sebab kepen- Rhodesia Selatan-lah pengkalan, peng- tingan-nya di-situ; jadi ta' usah-lah kalan kapada bantuan2 untok Tshombe kita berpura2, ta' usah kita mengikut dan Katanga. lakunan sandiwara British sa-lama2- Faham-lah kita bahawa apa yang nya. Mahu bawa perkara ini Malaysia sa-benar-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terus usulkan kapada Bangsa2 Bersatu di-Katanga ada lombong tembaga, supaya di-binchangkan perkara ini lombong berlian yang kepentingan-nya terus terang. Kalau Bangsa2 Bersatu besar, kepentingan Inggeris untok pun tiada boleh atau tidak dapat menjamin Katanga mesti bebas dari- berbuat sa-suatu ta' sampai hendak pada negara atau Kerajaan Sosialist mengadakan sidang pun ta' boleh Congo, untok itu Rhodesia Selatan kerana British ta' suka, maka foram hares menjadi pengkalan, untok itu dia international ini pun tidak ada guna harus hidup untok beberapa lama bagi sate sen pun lag i . Foram international kepentingan British di-Afrika. Dan ini harus di-perbaiki sa-mula, harus sekarang ini untok terus meneuatkan di-susun sa-mula, harus di-kaji sa- lagi sa-sudah keadaan Congo berubah mula, di-batalkan hak siapa yang maka Afrika Selatan yang menjadi di-katakan Big Four atau Big Five, kera sumbang harus kekal dan Lima Besar atau Empat Besar yang Rhodesia Selatan harus hidup pula mempunyai hak veto. Ini semua bukan, 1209 22 DECEMBER 1965 1210

dia bukan Tuhan, yang mentakdir dan di-tegakkan-lah United States of atau memberi hak kapada mereka America. Pada masa itu telah terjadi untok menjadi Big Four atau Big Five satu civil war, perang saudara, di- dan sa-bagai-nya. Ini mesti di-batalkan antara orang Inggeris dengan prang demi keadilan dan Malaysia patut Amerika, antara kulit puteh dengan mempelupori perkara ini dalam kulit puteh. Oleh kerana terpaksa Bangsa2 Bersatu masaalah Rhodesia British menyerahkan kemerdekaan Selatan dan masaalah penyusunan sa- kapada ra`ayat Amerika, maka timbul- mula Bangsa2 Bersatu dengan menidak- lah daya utama initiative British kan ada-nya hak veto dan menidakkan sa-belum Canada bertindak ka-arah ada-nya siapa yang di-katakan Big satu pemberontakan mengasingkan diri Four atau Big Five. daripada British, saperti Amerika, sa- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini-lah dia belum Australia bertindak, sa-belum jalan keluar yang sa-baik2-nya. Saya New Zealand bertindak maka taraf merasa pelek, bukan hairan, apabila Dominion Status harus-lah di-beri Perdana Menteri kita dengan susah hati kapada negeri2 kulit puteh : Canada, dan dukachita merayu2 kapada negeri2 Australia dan New Zealand. Maka di- di-Afrika kalau betul hendak putuskan beri-lah oleh British dan ini-lah negeri2 perhubongan dengan British, dengan yang di-katakan Negeri2 Dominion England, United Kingdom, tetapi di-dalam lengkongan persema`amoran jangan-lah sampai hendak keluar dari- Inggeris atau Commonwealth. Inggeris pada Commonwealth. Ini Malaysia takut kehilangan ekonomi semua-nya merayu, apa sebab, Tuan Yang di- saperti dia hilang Amerika dan di-beri Pertua, Malaysia ini terlampau sayang taraf 2 Dominion kapada kulit2 puteh kapada British. Jadi tuan2 di-Afrika yang lain. itu hendak keluar pun, hendak putus- Tetapi negeri kita tidak, Malaya di- kan perhubongan kerana Rhodesia j aj ah tidak di-berikan taraf Dominion. Selatan itu, putus-lah, ta' apa-lah India di-jajah tidak di-beri taraf Tetapi jangan-lah sampai hendak Dominion, Somalia di-jajah tidak di- keluar daripada British Common- beri taraf Dominion dan banyak wealth. negeri2 di-sabelah Afrika di-jajah tdak Saya hairan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-beri taraf Dominion sa-hingga mengapa bagitu sa-kali kita sayang datang Perang Dunia Yang Kedua. kapada British Commonwealth, tidak Kelemahan Inggeris ternyata benar2, pernah kata Malaysia Commonwealth kesedaran ra`ayat di-negeri2- yang di- British Commonwealth dan ada sate jajah telah bangun betul2 dan tenaga Menteri urusan Commonwealth meng- bertindak telah lahir. Maka mahu tidak ganti urusan yang ta`alok dahulu yang mahu, sate demi satu negeri yang di - ada di-England dalam Kabinet. Sejarah jajah oleh Inggeris dia pun memberi Commonwealth sendiri mesti kita kemerdekaan. Tetapi kemerdekaan faham kemudian dapat kita fikir dan bentok Inggeris di-beri-lah ke- kita uji sampai ka-mana untong dan merdekaan oleh Inggeris, bukan taraf pahit-nya Commonwealth itu kapada Dominion bebas fully independent. kita yang Perdana Menteri kita ingin Kata kita. Tetapi dalam pemberian itu benar2 memuj ok2 orang lain supaya kapada Inggeris-ala-Inggeris kemer- jangan keluar daripada British dekaan bentok Inggeris kemerdekaan Commonwealth. chara Inggeris sendiri. Pemberontakan Amerika kerana Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bentok orange yang kulit puteh yang pindah Inggeris ini-lah bentok menj amin ke- ka-Amerika tidak senang d engan ch ara pentingan kekayaan British sendiri. British mahu menguasai ekonomi di- Tidak guna Dominion, sebab Australia Amerika. Maka timbul-lah pembe- dan lain2 saperti Canada, New Zealand, rontakan ra`ayat di-bawah pimpinan yang dahulu-nya mengakui King of George Washington dengan kebetulan England atau Queen of England, dapat bantuan daripada Franchis pada United Kingdom, Great Britain, sa- masa itu maka merdeka-lah Amerika bagai Raja mereka, sekarang pun 1211 22 DECEMBER 1965 1212 telah bertukar chorak memakai Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah Governor General sendiri, yang sudah banyak, masaalah yang timbul di- tidak boleh di-ubah lagi. Jadi, Tuan dalam negara kita ini terlalu banyak Yang di-Pertua, kita sudah mendapat dan apa boleh buat takdir telah kemerdekaan tetapi semua negeri2 yang menjadi bagitu. Negeri2 lain pun ada di-beri kemerdekaan, kechuali Burma, masaalah-nya tetapi masaalah negeri di-ikat betul2 untok muslihat dan ke- kita ini masaalah yang pelek dan saya pentingan British sendiri dan. British sa-pendapat dengan siapa sahaja dan Commonwealth ada-lah kepentingan. saya perchaya orang lain sa-pendapat British kesema`amoran British Raya dengan saya. Ada-nya racial, ada-nya ini-lah dia yang sa-benar2-nya, Tuan gulongan2 dalam negeri kita ini yang Yang di-Pertua. mempunyai aliran2 yang berlainan menimbulkan satu masaalah politik Kita takut keluar daripada British yang sangat kusut untok di-selesaikan Commonwealth kerana takut hilang ke- di-dalam tanah ayer kita ini, apa-tah untongan' yang kita dapati daripada lagi dengan permainan British divide apa yang di-katakan British Common- and rule yang di-tinggalkan pada kita wealth, apa yang akan hilang sadikit, ini kusut dan terlalu kusut untok di- yang akan hilang-nya is-lah arang ke- selesaikan. hinaan yang terchonting di-muka kita. Kita fikir pada mula-nya, Tuan Keluar daripada satu kumpulan yang Yang di-Pertua, dasar to build a di-permainkan oleh British bagi kepen- united Malayan Nation sekarang ini tingan-nya pertukaran satu chorak per- ubah to build a United Malaysian janjian kapada alam kebebasan yang Nation akan berj alan-lah dengan penoh berdiri sama tinggi dudok senang, sadikit2 batu j arang berj umpa sama rendah di-semua bangsa dunia duri-nya, tetapi nampak-nya tidak, itu satu kemuliaan dan kehormatan. batu-nya bagaikan gunong di-depan. Sadikit sangat yang kita akan rugi dari- Mula2 kita nampak sadikit lichin, pada British, daripada apa yang kita tetapi makin lama kita nampak ber- dapat dalam Commonwealth : Kerana tambah berat. Masaalah, Tuan Yang dari Commonwealth ini sadikit yang di-Pertua, masaalah perasaan tidak kita dapat, banyak yang British dapat. sanggup menelan daripada satu gu- Untok mempertahankan sadikit kita longan kapada satu gulongan. Orang dapat yang banyak kita dapat ber- Melayu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang matian2, kita mempertahankan Com- sekarang ini telah di-tudoh kaum monwealth dan menunjokkan orang pelampau kerana berchakap masaalah lain supaya jangan keluar daripada Melayu. Commonwealth. Ganjil, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, chara kita berpolitik. Orang Melayu yang telah di-katakan Sadikit sa-kali yang kita dapat dari satu kaum yang kebetulan datang lebeh Commonwealth dan British tidak dahulu daripada yang lain. Orang ingin kapada Commonwealth keun- Melayu yang di-katakan pemalas, ini tongan tidak ada pada-nya, apa perlu- hati. Sa-benar-nya orang Melayu tidak nya British kapada Commonwealth redza dengan tudohon2 yang di-limpar- kalau keuntongan tidak ada? Dia kan kapada mereka. Orang Melayu mempunyai keuntongan banyak dan bukan kaum, bukan-lah pelampau dia memerlukan keuntongan itu dan kerana dia bukan kaum, dia ada-lah ini tidak `adil yang mesti di-hapuskan. tuan punya bagi negeri ini dan dia terus menjadi tuan punya bagi negeri ini. Bukan sahaja negeri ini di-katakan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-baik2-nya orang Melayu dia ada-lah tuan punya bagi Malaysia, mengator diri keluar bagi seluroh Malay Archipelago. daripada British Commonwealth dan semua nation pun patut keluar, hanya Sekarang ini keadaan kita berubah. wujud satu pertubohan dunia foram Kita di-namakan Malaysia, sunggoh international is-itu Bangsa2 Bersatu pun Malaysia di-terima. Saya sanggup yang di-perbaiki keadaan-nya. menamakan diri saya bangsa Malaysia, 121.3 22 DECEMBER 1965 1214 tetapi dengan pengertian Malaysian, tidak menyala di-Malaysia di-seberang kebangsaan , dan bukan-lah saya ini Tambak Johor. Apa itu soal bahasa satu kaum di-dalam Malaysia, Malay- yang akan datang pada tahun 1967? sia itu nation , Malaysia itu Melayu Soal bahasa ini telah menjadi satu kerana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orange soal yang dahulu-nya kita rasa ada barat yang menamakan-nya. Melayu tidak apa2 kerana yang menuntut, yang kata dato' nenek kita, Malaysia kata menentukan supaya Lord Reid dan sa-orang Amerika, Malaya atau Malay Surohanjaya-nya memasokkan di- State kata orang Inggeris, Indonesia dalam Perlembagaan is-lah memoran- kata orang Jerman, Philippina kata dum M.C.A., UMNO, M.I.C. sendiri. orang Sepanyol, Malanisia kata ahli2 Jadi kita fikir tidak ada apa2, tunggu- bumf, ahli2 manusia, Polynesia, kata lah sahaja tahun 1967, tetapi menjelang sa-tengah2 orang lain pula, tetapi akan tiba tahun 1967 berbagai2 semua-nya sama yang bernama Malay- masaalah timbul sa-hingga di-kalangan sia, Malaysian, Indonesia, Philippina, M.C.A. sendiri, khusus-nya pemuda Polysisian atau apa yang dia ada-lah M.C.A. satu hakikat-nya, darah keturunan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu yang bangsa Melayu, Melayu yang berta- malang, kalau hendak di-katakan boran di-seluroh Pulau2 Melayu mulai malang, bagi bangsa Malaysia kita ini dari Semenanjong dari Sigenting Kera. is-lah timbul-nya gejala2 akhir dari- Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya pada kalangan kita sendiri. Saya harap sanggup menerima Malaysia sebab mulai tahun 1966 tidak ada sa-siapa2 pengertian-nya sama, tetapi sekarang yang patut berchakap dalam soal ini kita mahu menyatu-padukan semua bahasa. Sebab tidak akan wujud satu warga2 negara-nya bernama Malaysia, kebangsaan, tidak akan lahir satu orang Iban suku bangsa Melayu, orang keharmonian, tidak akan lahir satu Kadazan suku bangsa Melayu, orang persefahaman, dengan amalan multi Bajau suku bangsa Melayu, orang language. Lain di-Switzerland, sa-tom- Kenyah suku bangsa Melayu, orang pok ra`ayat dudok di-utara memakai Dusun suku bangsa Melayu, tidak bahasa Jerman, sa-tompok ra`ayat menj adi soal, asalkan j angan ada orang dudok di-selatan memakai bahasa chuchok2 dan divide and rule pula, Peranchis. Sa-tengah ra`ayat dudok di- tidak menjadi soal mereka ada-lah suku sana memakai bahasa Belanda-kah, bangsa Melayu belahan badan bangsa tetapi kita ini semua bergaul mesti Melayu tetapi yang lain2 saya meminta satu bahasa yang tunggal. mi di-terima supaya betul2 membuktikan undivided saperti yang di-terima orang, harap loyalty. Kita boleh bust itu tanpa saya, terima-lah. Jangan di-timbulkan membuat sa-suatu yang bakal menim- sa-suatu sa-hingga sampai-lah maksud bulkan kekerohan dan kekachauan. Lee Kuan Yew yang mengatakan born Kita boleh perbuat bagitu. Kalau dapat telah terpasang sumbu-nya akan di- kita insaf bahawa ini-lah negara kita chuchoh tahun 1967. bersama dan ini-lah tempat yang ingin Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu chontoh , maka mari-lah hidup aman damai saya akan beri dalam Dewan ini bagai- kita menchari sa-suatu yang boleh di- mana negeri Thailand. Negeri Thai baik dan tegakkan, sa-suatu yang j Iran kits yang paling dekat yang ber- menghalang segala unsor2 yang boleh hubong tanah-nya dengan tanah kita. perpechahan dan keka- menimbulkan Ada orange-nya bukan yang sa-benar- chauan. Perpechahan Singapura, saya nya, bahkan boleh saya katakan, Tuan ulangi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak Yang di-Pertua, sa-bahagian daripada menghilang penyakit dalam Malaysia. Jema`ah Menteri Thailand sekarang Baharu2 ini dalam suatu kenyataan ini ada-lah manusia2 yang bernama yang di-bust oleh Perdana Menteri nama Thai, berbangsa Thai, tetapi Sin^apura dalam suatu perjumpaan mereka itu ada-lah keturunan daripada ahli2 Dewan Perniagaan2 di-Singapura, orange Tiong Hua yang sa-tengah2 beliau menyentoh soal bahasa. Kata- daripada-nya ada keluarga di-Kuala nya bom semua born telah terpesong Lumpur ini sendiri. 1215 22 DECEMBER 1965 1216

Tadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, k i to nya perlaksanaan bahasa. Mengapa tidak ada dengar nama lain melainkan tidak boleh? Kalau betul2, terserah-lah nama Thai . Mengapa boleh di-buat, kapada Kerajaan Perikatan yang mengapa kita sini tidak boleh? Saya memerentah hari ini. Jangan timbulkan tidak akan memaksa, mithal-nya Dato' teka-teki kapada ra`ayat, jangan main- T. H. Tan , tukar kapada Abdullah Sul- kan terus sandiwara2 panjang. Jangan tan, tidak, tetapi chara berfikir kita tolak ansor dalam perkara bahasa, dan boleh kita tukar, chara berfikir yang kapada orang yang bukan warga- jujor dan ikhlas boleh kita ubah, Tuan negara beri-lah betul2 bukti ta`at setia Yang di-Pertua . mi kita kehendaki kapada negeri ini dengan tidak menim- dan ini Malaysia kehendaki . Jangan bulkan soal bahasa kebangsaan. timbulkan soal bahasa, mengapa orange keturunan Tiong Hua di -tanah besar Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin di-Malaysia ini menimbulkan2 soal menyentoh lagi satu perkara perkara bahasa. Walhal tiap2 orang keturunan menjadi tanggong- j awab Per dana Men- Tiong Hua mengakui saperti yang di- teri tetapi di-jalankan oleh Menteri akui oleh Yang Berhormat Dato' Muda Kebudayaan dan Sukan. Kalau T. H. Tan satu waktu dahulu dalam kita bertanya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Dewan ini orange China patut-lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan atau berterima kaseh kapada negeri ini kita bertanya kapada tiap2 diri kita kerana di-negeri ini-lah orang China sendiri kita semua, apa-kah ada satu mendapat hak dan terjamin hak kebudayaan Malaysia? Sa-bagai satu mereka di-dalam negeri2 Tenggara sharat, satu rukun bagi satu bangsa, Asia yang baharu merdeka. harus mempunyai kebudayaan. Tentu- lah kita jawab tidak ada lagi. Kebu- Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini patut dayaan Malaysia belum wujud, belum yang di-punyai dan tidak patut lain ada, saperti belum wujud-nya betul2 daripada ini yang di-punyai beri-lah bangsa Malaysia, kerana kita maseh betul2 bukti ta`at setia apa salah? Ada dalam proses sekarang ini baharu orang mengatakan kalau di-tukar sign bangsa warga-negara Persekutuan. board itu sial, suwei , tidak betul. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal kebuda- Di-Thailand , warga-negara keturunan yaan bukan-lah satu soal kechil. Soal Tiong Hua ramai yang menjadi peke- kebudayaan satu soal yang sangat dai, yang menjadi pegawai imigreshen, besar erti-nya. Dia tidak boleh di-buat, yang bekerja itu, menjadi itu ini, di-bentok2, di-susun2, di-ator2 bela- sampai Menteri-nya ada . Bahasa2 kang ltu dl-suroh suap, suroh telan, Thai, sign board kedai , bahasa Thai. suroh pakai tidak boleh. Dia lahir Itu bahasa kebangsaan. Kalau lain dan berkembang bersama2 perkem- daripada bahasa Thai mahu di-nakai, bangan dan kelahiran musharakat boleh, tetapi kena bayar chukai. Bayar bangsa yang akan di-namakan Malay- chukai bahasa lain kalau mahu di- sia itu sendiri. Jadi dalam soal gunakan di-sign board di-kedai2 membentokkan satu kebudayaan bagi kena bayar chukai orang Tiong Hua. satu bangsa yang akan bernama ®rang2 warga-negara Thailand ketu- Malaysia akan datang yang sekarang runan Tiong Hua membayar chukai maseh bernama warga-negara Per- to enggunakan bahasa lain, bahasa sekutuan, patut-lah Kementerian ini Tiong Hua mithal -nya di-sign board memikirkan sa-dalam2 dan Kemen- kedai-nya di-dalam negeri Thai, tetapi terian Pelajaran juga mempunyai satu tidak boleh taroh di -atas, tidak boleh seksi, satu seksi yang betul2 memikir- di-buat besar kechil kalau boleh di- kan sa-dalam2-nya supaya di-pupok bawa.'h di-gantongkan di-bawah sign dari sekarann soal kebudayaan ini, board yang besar. melalui sekolah2, melalui anak2 kita yang maseh menjadi rebong. Mengapa boleh berj alan di-dalam Thailand , mengapa tidak pula boleh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berchakap berjalan di-dalam Tanah Melayu? dalam soalkebudaya an ini kerana kita Saya tidak maksudkan chukai , maksud- tidak, ada lagi dan akan. adakan, maka v 1217 22 DECEMBER 1965 1218 tanggong-jawab ada-lah tanggong- mengenai pengharapan saya supaya jawab bersama Kementerian Kebuda- terbentok satu kebudayaan bagi bangsa yaan dan Sukan dan Kementerian Malaysia akan datang. Saya minta Pelajaran. Saya mahu supaya soal supaya tidak di-amalkan terus dasar kebudayaan ini di-perhati dan co-education. Ini soal kebudayaan di-fikirkan betul2. Dahulu telah tidak di-amalkan terus co-education, ada satu Kongres Kebudayaan. ini soal kebudayaan. Tuan Yang di- Kongres Kebudayaan telah ada di- Pertua, co-education bukan pantas bagi dukongi oleh orange Melayu sahaj a, bangsa Melayu, tuan punya negeri ini telah memutuskan bahawa Kebudayaan yang asal, tidak pantas bagi umat Melayu teras kebudayaan Malaya. Islam. Dan saya perchaya pada mula- Waktu itu belum Malaysia. Tetapi nya j uga tidak pantas bagi semua sekarang ini teras kebudayaan Malay- warga-negara baik keturunan apa sia. Dan kebudayaan Malaya, yang dalam negeri ini kerana kita semua sekarang ini Malaysia, tidak harus orang timor. Tetapi dia datang dari- bertentangan dengan Islam. Itu bagus, pada Barat, dia di-bawa di-seludupkan betul. Tetapi tentu-lah kalau Yang oleh penjajahan Inggeris dari barat Berhormat Enche' Senu, Menteri Pene- bagi menghanchorkan kemurnian ke- rangan, di-beri peluang mengulas budayaan anak negeri ini. perkara ini dia akan mengatakan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal co-educa- kongres yang tuan2 adakan ini tidak tion kalau di-amalkan kebudayaan boleh menchapai tujuan, sadikit kita akan jadi lain. Lain daripada tempang, kerana tidak masok di-dalam- keputusan Kongres Kebudayaan Me- nya orange yang bukan Melayu. Ya, layu yang hendak berteras Melayu. dia betul juga, saperti yang beliau ber- kata baharu2 ini kapada persidangan Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar: Yang Jawatan-kuasa Badan Bertindak Ba- Berhormat Dato' Yang di-Pertua, hasa Kebangsaan. Dia menganjorkan boleh-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu supaya patut ada di-dalam Jawatan- memberi ma`ana apa ma`ana co- kuasa itu orang yang bukan Melayu. education itu. Ya, memang di-dalam negara saperti Enche' Amaluddin bin Darns: Tuan ini memang patut ada, tetapi yang kita Yang di-Pertua, pelajaran atau perse- hairan mengapa orang bukan Melayu kolahan yang berchampor antara tidak mahu masok ka-dalam itu. Ilia pelajar laki2 dengan perempuan. Tuan kena masok, tetapi dia belum mahu Yang di-Pertua, yang saya maksudkan masok. Saya harap kapada pemimpin2 tidak di-amal satu sekolah atau satu bangsa yang bukan berketurunan darjah perchamporan antara laki2 Melayu mengerahkan pengikut2 mereka dengan perempuan. Sebab, Tuan Yang supaya ikut sama dalam perkara mi. di-Pertua, tidak manis, tetapi kerana Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang saya katakan tadi dari sudut kebuda- saya akan pergi dalam soal kebuda- yaan, maka dari sudut kebudayaan itu- yaan ini bukan soal kechil, perkara- lah yang saya akan binchangkan. Apa nya besar sangat, dan saya tidak akan yang telah berlaku di-barat yang mempunyai masa yang chukup untok sedang kita ikuti sekarang kehan- berchakap, tetapi ingin saya mengingat- choran moral, akhlak, anak2 di-besar- kan kapada Kementerian yang ber- kan dengan satu sistem pendidekan kenaan supaya menganjorkan satu tanpa memikirkan natijah bear sedang kongres, champorkan-lah semua dengan mengetahui hakikat dan hak orang mengkaji soal bentok kebu- persamaan hak mahu kebebasan yang dayaan yang sadikit demi sadikit sama, keluar ka-sana ka-sini, dengan dengan proses-nya kita akan dapat bebas membawa akibat keruntohan sampai kapada matalamat kita pada moral kapada bangsa dan negara mi. akhir-nya. Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Dalam soal lain dari sudut Kemen- Untok penerangan berkenaan dengan terian Pelajaran, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perchamporan laki2 perempuan bagai- pertama yang saya ingin katakan mana Ahli Yang Berhormat kata itu, 1219 22 DECEMBER 1965 1220

Pusat Pengajian Islam yang akan bekerja. Jadi, keharmonian rumah di-ranchangkan di-Kelantan oleh Kera- tangga hilang. Rumah tangga hanya jaan PAS pun menerima perempuan tempat kembali sa-bentar untok tidor. dan laki2 berchampor sama. Jadi untok penerangan supaya Ahli Yang Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: Berhormat itu sedar yang ada satu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka Pusat Pengajian Islam yang di-ran- hendak bertanya Ahli Yang Berhor- chang yang berchampor laki2 perem- mat itu, ada-kah dia berchadang puan dan akan di-terima bersama2 supaya di-buat satu undang2 menahan dalam Pusat Pengajian mi. orang perempuan daripada bekerj a?

Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang di-Pertua, biar-lah saya ber- Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mengingat- chakap, kemudian itu Ahli Yang kan saya, perkara yang saya memang Berhormat itu dapat mengambil kesim- ingat. Saya tahu saperti saya tahu-nya pulan. Apa yang telah terjadi di-dunia `amalan yang sudah berj alan di-tanah barat sendiri, itu sa-bahagian daripada ayer kita bagi semua sekolah. Tetapi, kebudayaan mereka, kerana mereka yang saya harapkan supaya ini di-ubah. telah tergelinchir dan rosak. Kita Kita berikhtiar-lah supaya keadaan ini dalam pertumbohan. Maka, kerana di-ubah di-masa hadapan. Sebab kita kita dalam pertumbohan, saya minta ingin memberi pendidekan berdasar- Kementerian Kebudayaan dan Kemen- kan saikoloji berdasarkan `ilmu jiwa terian Pelaj gran memikir sa-dalam2- dan nature tabi`i pembentokan manu- nya perkara ini, supaya kita tidak akan sia yang di-jeniskan laki2 dan perem- menjadi juga pa' turut kapada mereka puan itu sendiri. Kalau tidak itu kita yang telah hanyut dan liar di-dalam buat, apabila bertentangan dengan kebudayaan. nature, maka akan timbul kekachauan. Di-barat sendiri, orang menangis. Orang bij ak2, yang laki2 atau yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak perempuan yang telah berumor menye- menghalang memberi pelajaran sa- sal akan keadaan masharakat dan tinggi2-nya kapada kaum perempuan bahkan itu hendak-lah di-galakkan. kebudayaan di-barat. Jadi, kita jangan ikut dia. Nanti, waktu sa-sudah sampai, Tetapi, yang saya mahu, supaya kita kita, kerana mengikut dia, kita pula memikir pelaj aran yang sa-bagaimana hanchor. Dia sudah mulai balk, kerana mesti menjadi pelajaran lanjutan dia insaf. Jadi, sekarang orang barat kapada gulongan mi. Pelajaran yang telah mulai insaf. Sebab itu, harus sa-macham mana yang menjadi pela- kita fikir, meletakkan sa-suatu itu jaran lanjutan kapada orang ini. Tuan harus pada tempat-nya. Perempuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau tidak kita harus di-didek untok di-letakkan pada fikirkan, jadi-lah saperti negeri barat. tempat-nya. Laki2 harus di-didek Mr President: Tolong rengkaskan untok di-letakkan pada tempat-nya. sadikit, Enche' Amaluddin. Beni orang Perempuan harus boleh bekerja dan lain hendak berchaknp. Masa kita boleh jadi Senator Dewan Senget, sengkat. kata sa-tengah orang. Jadi, tidak jadi soal itu. Tetapi ada tempat yang mesti Enche' Amaluddin bin Darns: di-beri pendidekan kapada perempuan, Orange barat yang telah mendapat tetapi tidak ada galakan, yang kebebesan dia telah sama2 bekerja sa-benar2-nya ka-arah ini. Kalau untok ka-luar dan ka-dalam laki2 bekerja, menj adi guru sekolah rendah, siapa- perempuan pun bekerja. Oleh kerana kah yang lebeh tepat daripada perem- negeri-nya telah demikian maju, dia puan? Perempuan sangat tepat menjadi berjanji, pukul satu kita makan di- guru bagi sekolah rendah, sesuai restaurant di-sana. Sebab, di-rumah, dengan watak dan tabi`at anak2 yang siapa yang akan menjalankan tugas maseh kechil, yang maseh dalam rumah tangga? Tidak ada, sebab process perkembangan otak. Ini, boleh perempuan bekerj a, yang laki2 pun kita beri peluang. 1221 22 DECEMBER 1965 1222

Dan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, doktor. dari tiap2 empat, penohkan itu semua Kita mahu, kalau ada sa-ribu doktor penohkan itu semua-nya. Panggil sa- laki2, mesti ada sa-ribu pula doktor j umlah orang yang sanggup interview. perempuan. Sebab, kadang2 kalau kita Tidak dapat, kalau dia tidak lulus buat banchian, jumlah laki2 sadikit Grade I, tidak mengapa, kalau dia kurang dari jumlah perempuan. Jadi, lulus Grade II. Tidak chukup orang mengapa tidak patut kalau sa-ribu ini, panggil lagi siapa mahu masok, doktor laki2, sa-ribu pula doktor tidak lulus pereksa itu, Grade II tidak perempuan? Apa-kah usaha ini di- apa. Beni peluang orange Melayu -j alankan oleh Keraj aan, dari satu sudut chukupkan quota-nya, sesuai dengan menambahkan jumlah doktor? Tetapi, tujuan dan `azam Kerajaan. Dengan dari sudut lain, saya katakan, dari `amalan yang saya harapkan, bukan segi kebudayaan. Mengapa? perem- dengan chakap2 waktu hendak habis puan pun sakit terpaksa ugama pun sudah, dekat2 na' habis. mengharuskan, kita membiarkan pe- rempuan di-pereksa oleh laki2. Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, banyak anak2 mengapa tidak di-ikhtiar oleh sa-buah Melayu yang lulus Grade II, yang Kerajaan, supaya doktor2 perempuan masok interview atau temuduga di- chukup dan daripada mereka punya hadapan Jawatan-kuasa yang ineme- specialist2. Yang demikian, kehormatan reksa hendak dapat scholarship jadi perempuan, kehormatan kaum yang engineer atau sa-bagai-nya tidak lulus. lemah, kehormatan kaum manusia Jadi alasan Keraj aan tidak ada kelaya- yang Tuhan jadikan lemah-lembut dan kan-lah, tetapi dia jual tanah dia pergi chantek jelita, isteri2 kita, saudara2 dengan belanja sendiri dia pas di- kita, keluarga2 kita, mendedahkan universiti di-kalangan kawan2-nya ter- tuboh-nya kapada doktor laki2 pada masok orange yang di-pileh yang hal sa-boleh2-nya hendak-lah di-elak- di-hantar oleh Kerajaan Malaysia. Jadi, kan daripada terjadi. Tetapi, kalau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau betul jujor tidak dapat, harus, ugama sendiri pun kapada orang Melayu, buktikan-lah membenarkan. Tetapi, saya katakan dan jangan-lah lama sangat memainkan lagi sa-kali, mengapa Kerajaan tidak sandiwara kapada orang Melayu. Saya mahu fikir ini? Kerajaan mesti fikirkan khuatir nanti orange Perikatan sendiri, ini ini-lah kewajipan. Saya rasa, kalau daripada UMNO, tidak tahan lagi. saya berchakap atas soal ini, barang- Macham sekarang ini pun sudah mula kali terlalu panj ang, jadi, Tuan Yang nampak mereka tidak tahan sabar lagi di-Pertua, itu-lah, sudah chukup-lah. kerana banyak sangat sandiwara yang Lain kali kita mengambil peluang lain. telah mempermainkan bangsa Melayu is-itu bangsa saya sendiri, yang men- jadi tuan punya negeri mi. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian Pelajaran menerima sungutan, banyak. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin Satu daripada perkara-nya maseh saya hendak menyentoh sadikit sahaja minta supaya Kerajaan mempertim- Kementerian Pengangkutan, sayang bangkan soal quota scholarship. Quota Menteri yang berkenaan itu tidak scholarship ini tidak di-laksanakan hadhir. Sebab dia pernah berhutang dengan sa-penoh-nya mengikut hak kapada saya, sampai sekarang tidak istimewa orang Melayu itu. Alasan di-bayar tetapi di-bayar kapada lain Kerajaan tentu ada, mudah. Sudah tempat. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam di-pereksa, tidak ada chukup yang ber- Dewan ini tiga atau empat tahun kelayakan. Tempoh hake istimewa itu dahulu saya nernah mengeshor supaya pun sudah dekat2 hendak habis. Orang nelabohan Port Swettenham (Selat Melayu maseh lagi kedapatan kurang Kiang) yang sudah siap bandar Port kelayakan. Saya mahu Kerajaan mem- Swettenham kalau sudah Sian esok buktikan `azam hendak memberi ishtiharkan terus, jadikan Pelabohan keutamaan kapada orange Melayu, Tun Perak atau dengan perkataan lain, dengan tidak memperdulikan soal yang bandar pun bukan Port Swettenham sa-lama ini menjadi kurang kelayakan. lagi, bandar Tun Perak. Jadi Menteri Kalau di-kehendaki 100, tiga Melayu Pengangkutan bangun menyatakan 1223 22 DECEMBER 1965. 1224

"Bagus shor itu, akin di-pertimbang- singgah-nya kapal2 dani seluroh dunia kan bila tiba masa-nya." akan datang, akan mengenali siapa dia Tun Perak saperti orang Indonesia Tiba-lah masa-nya pembukaan pela- bohan baharu, saya pun sa-bagai dzif telah menamakan Gaj ah Mada kapada universiti-nya supaya orang kenal siapa ikut hadhir nama tidak ubah ! Saya Gajah Mada. Ini-lah satu perkara yang tunggu2 lagi, dia kata hendak di-ubah, sangat saya kesalkan. di-timbang, minta fikiran lagi. Tiba2 satu masa saya terbacha surat k habar Tun Yang di-Pertua, kalau Menteri Menteri Pengangkutan kita itu pergi Pengangkutan ada tentu-lah seronok ka-situ menghadhiri isti`adat kerana juga jawapan-nya n, nti. Tuan Yang Kerajaan Jepun hadiahkan kepala di-Pertua, saya rasa chukup, sebab keretapi (rail car), di-namakan rail car saya nampak kalau saya terus ber- itu Tun Perak. Ini saya minta hutang chakap saya prepare banyak bahan2- in tidak terbayar di-bayar ka-tempat nya untok di-kecham. lain. Saya minta di-bayar kapada Port Swettenham, dia bayar kapada kepala Mr President: Beni peluang kapada keretapi. orang lain.

Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. mengapa Pnche' Ama'uddin bin Daru: Ya ! saya menekankan perkara ini dalam Saya fikir untok orang lain, ter. utama Dewan Negara ini? Di-Indonesia, Yang Berhormat Enche' Nik Hassan v Pateh Gajah Mada di-Melaka (masa nampak-nya siap hendak pukul saya itu Seanor nun tidak ada), Me'aka sahaja. Jadi saya harap apa yang telah masa itu kerajaan besar bukan Melaka saya chakap tadi di-perhatikan, di- sekarang. Di-Melaka, Bendahara Tun fikirkan bagi kepentingan dan muslihat Perak (Bendahara Paduka Raja). Di- kita bersama (Tepok). Indonesia, mereka meletakkan Gajah Mada pada nama sa-buah universiti di- Datu Pengiran Mohamed Digadong Jakarta di-Jokjakarta kalau tidak Galpam: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya salah saya, saya pun tidak pernah suka berchakap perkara yang mana pergi ka-sana, dan kita di-sini saya telah di-binchangkan dalam Dewan m nta letakkan-lah Tun Perak itu Ra`ayat hingga ka-Dewan Negara. menggantikan nama orang puteh yang Saya rasa puas hati kechuali berkenaan pernah menjadi pegawai penjajah men- dengan kenaikan chukai2 barang2 di- iajah bangsa kita. Kebetulan Tun Sabah. Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya Perak itu Pula dia-lah menjadi Gabnor suka berchakap di-sini is-itu berkenaan di-Kiang sa-belum di-lantek menjadi perkara2 di-Sabah pada masa ini. Bendahara Paduka Raja Bandar Melaka. Mengapa Bendahara Paduka Yang Amat Berhormat Tun Abdul Razak di-minta supaya menyegerakan Raja yang hidup sa-zaman dengan Bill ini ka-Sabah dengan ranchangan2 Pateh Gajah Mada di-beri nama luar bandar yang mana telah di- kapada kepala keretapi? chadangkan oleh Kerajaan Pusat Sangat-lah malang, Tuan Yang di- peruntokan ka-Sabah tahun yang akan Pertua, perbuatan yang telah kita datang sa-terus-nya juga di-Sarawak. lakukan kapada sejarah kita sendiri, Juga di-sini Yang Berhormat Menteri satu bangsa yang berbudi, satu bangsa Tanah dan Galian di-minta Yang besar yang jiwa-nya pun besar meng- Berhormat dan pakar2 di-dalam soal hargai sejarah-nya sendiri. Kita tanah2 dan galian melawat ka-Sabah meninggi dan mengekalkan riama untok menyelideki tanah2 clan galian2 penjajah Inggeris tetapi tidak mahu di-Sabah. Demikian juga Menteri yang menerima fikiran2 untok meletakkan berkenaan memberi nasihat-nya kapada sa-suatu yang baik di-tempat yang Kerajaan Negeri Sabah supaya per- baik saperti menamakan bandar Port usahaan2 atau kompeni2 yang. besar2 Swettenham kapada nama Tun Perak. di-Sabah tidak boleh menambah lagi Pelabohan itu akan menjadi pelabohan kompeni2-nya di-Sabah saperti seka- yang di-kenali oleh dunia kerana rang ini. Saya suka menyentoh sadikit 1225 22 DECEMBER 1965 1226 berkenaan dengan Menteri2 tetapi saya Sekarang, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di- fikir mereka tidak ada di-sini hanya sini saya suka berchakap sadikit dua atau tiga orang. kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri Di-sini saya juga berchakap kapada Penerangan di-minta Menteri yang ber- Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran di- kenaan menambah Pejabat Penerangan minta supaya menambahkan ba- di-daerah Labu dan daerah yang di- ngunan2 sekolah rendah di-kampong2 fikirkan mustahak, dan menambahkan dan memperbaik keadaan sekolah2 pegawai2 Melayu daripada pusat is-itu yang ada pada masa ini di-Sabah. ka-Sabah. Dato' Yang di-Pertua , di-sini Demikian juga mengadakan Sekolah sa-benar-nya pegawai yang saya kata- Menengah Kebangsaan untok t^ap2 kan is-itu berkenaan dengan Menter^2, daerah di-Sabah. Di-minta juga me- tetapi yang sa-benar-nya saya tengok na.mbah bilangan guru2 yang ber- di-sini Menteri2 yang berkenaan itu pengetahuan dan berpengalaman yang tidak-lah dapat hadhir, saya fikir bukan sahaja bahasa saperti yang barangkali dia orang pun ada lazim-nya di-ajar di-sekolah2 pada meshuarat. masa ini di-Sabah tetapi juga di-dalam berchakap hapada tulisan Jawi menambah di-dalam Di-sini saya suka yang berkenaan, jadual pelajaran di-sekolah2 termasok Menteri Kewangan -minty supaya pelajaran Jawi. Enche' Tan Siew Sin, di menyamakan harga barang2 makanan di-Pertua, di-minta Dato' Yang di-Sabah dengan harga2 barang di- berkenaan menambahkan Menteri yang Malaya ini . Oleh kerana , Dato' Yang pusat2 latehan guru2 dan menyamakan di-Pertua, semenjak kenaikan2 harga tangga2 gaji guru2 di-Sabah dengan barang2 di-Sabah pada masa ini saya tangga gaj i guru2 di-Tanah Melayu suka bertanya ada-kah Menteri yang Berta membaiki pusat latehan guru2 berkenaan sedang mengetahui me- yang ada pada masa sekarang di- ngenai kenaikan harga barang2 di- Sabah . Sabah pada sekarang mi. Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sadikit saga suka berchakap di-sini, Yang Ber Saya fikir Menteri yang berkenaan hormat Menteri Kesihatan di-minta tidak berapa mengetahui kerana apa supaya mengadakan pusat kesihatan yang saya ketahui di-Sabah macham kechil untok t'ap2 daerah di-Sabah yang sekarang di-Malaya satu kotak dengan mengadakan klinik bidan di- manchis api di-sini harga-nya 5 sen, kampong2 yang di-fikirkan perlu dan di-Sabah pada masa ini sudah men- patut di- Sabah. jadi 15 sen. Jadi sa-benar-nya ini Jadi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-minta perkara yang menjadi susah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan menambahkan ra`ayat yang miskn2 oleh kerana bilangan bidan2 di-Sabah dan menam- barang makanan ini kebanyakan semua bahkan pegawai2 kesihatan untok ra`ayat yang menggunakan. Jadi melawat ka-kampong2 yang jauh dari- barang makan ini sa-benar-nya ini-lah pada bandar2 di-dalam Sabah. yang saga rasa naik harga-nya. Jadi Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-minta Yang saya berharap Menteri yang berkenaan Berhormat Menteri Perumahan supaya dapat menyelideki atau memberi mengadakan rumah2 tumpangan untok macham mana pertolongan untok me- tempat pegawai2 yang datang her mudahkan atau pun memperbaiki khidmat ka- Sabah ; sa-buah di-Jessel- harga barang2 di-Sabah pada masa ini. ton dan sa-buah di-Sandakan dan Di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan sa-buah di-Tawau. ml, Dato' Yang di mengambil langkah bagaimana chara Pertua, perlu kerana saya ketahui hendak mengatasi keadaan kenaikan pegawai datang darinada Kerajaan harga barang2 itu untok meringankan Pucat ka-Sabah yams selalu-nya payah bebanan ra`ayat di-Sabah pada masa sadikit kerana rumah tumpangan tidak ml. ada. Jadi sekarang Menteri Perumahan yang berkenaan , saya fikir, nr'ustahak Dato Yanu di-Pertua , perkara ini supaya :di,adakan, di-Sabah. yang saya suka membawa ka-dalarrii^} 1227 22 DECEMBER 1965 1228

Dewan ini supaya Menteri yang ber- kapada petani2 dan chara2 mem- kenaan dapat mengadakan perhubong- buka perusahaan2 mereka sendiri an dengan Menteri2 atau pun Ketua untok memajukan mereka di-Sabah Menteri di-Sabah supaya ra`ayat di- dan di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan sana tidak terlalu berat menanggong menguaaai Jabatan Sharikat Kerjasama kenaikan chukai barang2 makan sebab yang ada di-Sabah pada hari ini. Juga yang saya ketahu%, Dato' Yang di- di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan Pertua, barang makanan ini a.da-lah mengadakan beneh2 yang baik saperti di-gunakan oleh ra`ayat. getah, kelapa sawit, dan padi untok Ada satu perkara yang saya rasa petani2 dan ranchangan2 pekerjaan di- tidak puas hati atau pun saya rasa ini Sabah. Sebab perkara ini, kalau tidak perkara bukan-lah orang yang miskin ada, sa-benar-nya tuan2 atau pun yang menggunakan : ada-lah perkara Menteri2 yang berkenaan tahu di-Sabah ini di-gunakan oleh orang yang kaya2 ada j uga getah atau pun kelapa sawit atau pun kompeni2 atau pun saudagar= dan padi, tetapi saya rasa daripada is-itu trekter2 yang masok ka-Sabah Tanah Melayu ini memang ada lain- dengan tidak ada chukai. Maka barang lah daripada Sabah tetapi yang haik- ini benar2 mendatangkan basil kapada nya kita dapat beneh yang lebeh ba ik orang yang kaya2. Jadi saya rasa per- atau pun yang memang sudah terkenal kara ini ada-lah meringankan kapada di-Malaya supaya di-bagi ka-Sabah. orange yang kaya tetapi pula kenaikan harga barang' nlakanan itu mengena Dato' Yang di-Pertua, juga di-minta pula kapada ra`ayat yang miskln di- Menteri yang berkenaan supaya meng- seluroh Malaysia. adakan Pusat Pertanian Kechil di- tiap2 Daerah dan memperbaiki chara Jadi di-sini saya berpendapat itu-lah Pusat Latehan yang ada di-Sabah pada tadi saya katakan, saya menyokong hari ini. Saya perchaya di-Sabah ada Rang Undang2 yang mana ada pada j uga, tetapi yang saya kehendaki lebeh hari ini, tetapi kechuali berkenaan dapat sokongan daripada Kerajaan dengan kenaikan harga barang2 itu di- Pusat menghantar wakil2 atau pun minta-lah Menteri yang berkenaan pegawai'--nya membantu menjalankan supaya menyelideki atau pun meme- perkara2 yang saya katakan ini di- reksa dengan baik, meneliti ka-Sabah Sabah. Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya kerana barang2 makan kalau-lah suka Menteri yang berkenaan dapat kenaikan bagitu yang berlipat-Banda, ra`ayat kita yang susah. Jadi in i mengadakan latehan pertanian kapada petani bumiputera di-Sabah saperti saya suka menerangkan di-Majlis ini mana yang ada di-jalankan di-.Malaya supaya Yang Berhormat2 atau Menteri2 pada hari ini. Kerana Sabah dan kita yang berkenaan dapat memikirkan ra`ayat Sabah tidak ada banyak fikir supaya mengatasi berkenaan dengan atau pun tidak ada sadikit pun mem- kenaikan chukai barang2 pada masa bantah apa2 daripada mula-nya Sabah ini di-Sabah. masok Malaysia sa-hingga pada hari Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka ber- ini sadikit pun Sabah tidak ada mung- chakap, tetapi itu-lah yang saya kata- kir atau pun tidak ada bertukar fikiran kan Menteri yang berkenaan, saya melainkan Sabah merdeka menerusi fikir, tidak ada di-sini tetapi saya ber- Malaysia yang ra`ayat Sabah semua chakap juga-lah. Kerana kalau saya nya kaseh kapada Kerajaan Pusat tidak keluarkan ini perkara memang sa-terus-nya kapada Perdana Menteri saya sudah fikirkan dan mustahak-lah Malaysia kita dan Menteri2 yang ada juga saya terangkan di-Majlis Dewan dl-negeri ini. Jadi, Dato' Yang di- in!. Pertua, ini-lah yang saya katakan di Yang Berhormat Menteri Pertanian sini untok menjadi satu pengetahuan dan Sharikat Kerjasama di-minta-fah ra`ayat di-Sabah yang mana Sabah ini menambahkan memberi nasihat-nya betul maseh muda tetapi barangkali kapada Kerajaan Negeri supaya juga pada hari ini boleh menjadi sa- menambah hasil2 pertanian2 di- perti negeri2 yang lain juga yang telah Sabah dan memberikan panduan2 maj u dan telah berjaya pada hari ini. 1229 22 DECEMBER 1965 1230

Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya suka Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ini yang juga berchakap di-sini is-itu meminta penghabisan saya hendak berchakap Menteri yang berkenaan menghantar- is-itu kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos kan bumiputera Sabah yang berke- dan Talikom. Dato' Yang di-Pertua, layakan untok berlateh menjadi Pega- di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan wai Pertanian yang berkebolehan. mengadakan di-pekan2 atau di-kam- Apabila pelateh2 itu kembali dari pong2 talipon box untok orang ramai Pusat Latehan Pertanian di-Malaya, sa-bagaimana yang saya tengok ada mereka boleh-Iah melateh petani2 yang di-Malaya ini, oleh kerana di-Sabah, ada di-Sabah pada masa mi. Jadi ini Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bukan-lah juga, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sangat2 saperti di-Tanah Melayu ini, di-sana berpuas hati yang dapat saya peluang kebanyakan-nya sungai, jadi talipon itu berchakap pada hari ini yang mana tidak chukup baik di-mana satu district mustahak is-itu Sabah meminta kapada saya perchaya kebanyakan pegawai2 Kerajaan Pusat dan kapada Menteri2 daripada Persekutuan ini yang melawat yang berkenaan supaya perkara2 yang ka-Sabah, sa-benar-nya kadang2 boleh mana saya terangkan di-sini dapat-lah berchakap, kadang2 tidak boleh dapat di-jalankan dengan sa-berapa segera- berchakap. Fasal apa, dia punya nya dan dengan menjadi kebaikan talipon tidak bagitu baik-fah. Jadi saya kapada Kerajaan Sabah dan sa-terus- minty Menteri yang berkenaan supaya nya Kerajaan Pusat juga is-itu di- berusaha untok melawat ka-Sabah Federal mi. supaya tempat2 yang j auh dapat di- fikirkan di-perbaiki dan di-beri talipon Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-sini saya atau pun wireless supaya senang ber- juga suka menyentoh sadikit berkenaan hubong dengan Bandar saperti yang dengan Menteri Perdagangan dan Per- saya ketahul di-sabelah Laboh itu atau usahaan. Menteri yang berkenaan ini di-Kanabinatangan itu selalu juga di- di-minta memberi peluang kapada sabelah Kanabinatangan ini saya rasa Sharikat2 Bumiputera supaya mendapat tidak berapa jauh-lah daripada sem- bantuan2 saperti f actory2 atau pun padan. Jadi di-sana kita selalu dapat yang patut di-fikirkan, di-guna oleh tahu yang talipon atau pun radiophone anak bumiputera di-Sabah pada tahun apabila kita mahu berchakap dia hilang yang akan datang. Fasal apa saya Data, sudah rosak. Jadi ini perkara sa- sekarang rasa saya tinggal dua tiga hari benar2-nya kalau ada yang mustahak, sudah lain tahun. Jadi di-minta pada apabila dahulu kita punya ra`ayat mati Menteri yang berkenaan supaya dapat membantu anak bumiputera di-Sabah baharu kita dapat bantuan. sa-terus-nya juga dalam Malaysia mi. Jadi perkara ini di-minta-lah kapada Menteri yang berkenaan supaya boleh Dato' Yang di-Pertua, di-sini pula membantu dengan sa-berapa yang saya bangkitkan dan saya suka ber- segera-nya. Sebab masa ini kita di- chakap berkenaan dengan Menteri Keselamatan. Di-minta Menteri yang tempat yang dekat sempadan2 atau pun di-pelusok2 itu, saya perchaya nanti berkenaan supaya menambahkan - lagi satu hari jadi kesusahan-lah kapada Balai2 Polis di-Sabah untok anak ra`ayat kita dan, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, pendudok Polis yang kurang di-Sabah di-minta Menteri yang berkenaan dan di-minta ikut-lah sa-bagaimana yang ada di-Persekutuan (Malaya) mi. menambah lagi jabatan2 di-Sabah Sebab apa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, untok ra`ayat di-sang supaya mereka kerana kekurangan banyak sebab, saya senang membawa hasil2 tanaman dan sendiri dapati apabila siapa yang buah2 untok di-jual di-bandar2 sa masok bekerja dengan Polis, kebanya- bagaimana yang ada di-Persekutuan kan rumah tidak ada. Jadi di-minta-lah Tanah Melayu ini. Menteri yang berkenaan supaya Jadi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, sava renambahkan lagi bangunan2 itu di- fikir tidak ada lain tidak-lah banyak untokkan kapada pegawai2 Polis atau saya berchakap di-sini hanya mana pun pegawai2 yang berkenaan di- sahaja chakapan tadi itu-lah sahaja Sabah. yang saya bawa kapada Dewan supaya 1231 22 DECEMBER 1965

semua Ahli Yang Berhormat dan the First and the Second Five-Year Menteri2 juga dapat membantu dan Plans for Malaya were generally a memikirkan untok menjadi kesela- success. The various projects benefited matan di-negeri Sabah. Ini, Dab' Yang the people, especially those in the rural di-Pertua, saperti di-Sabah, kerana areas. Unfortunately, there were a sa-benar2 yang saya ketahui, saya ini number of schemes which I felt had ada-lah wakil daripada Sabah. Jadi cost more than they should. It is a saya sangat faham di-sabelah Sabah common utterance amongst the ra`ayat sa-belah Persekutuan saya fikir cherita that our Ministers while inspecting ini juga keadaan tempat kita masing2. various development schemes, were Jadi ini hanya dapat saya terangkan always pleased to hear from the officers di-bahagian Sabah. Jadi, Tuan yang in charge that so many millions had di-Pertua, kira-nya kata2 saya tadi ada been spent, but they were generally tersilap barangkali ada juga di-ambil not aware whether the amount was chakapan2 ini di-tulis2 saya harap-lah properly spent. In other words, the cost saya ada satu kopi di-sini juga mana2 of these projects could have been yang saya chakap tadi itu. pruned down if closer scrutiny was exercised. So, for the next five years, Enche' Chan Keong Han: Mr Pre- I hope the Government will exercise sident, Sir, much has been said in both greater care in planning and in imple- Houses on the merits and demerits of menting the various projects. Malaysia's first Five-Year Plan. Some sections feel that it is bold yet realistic, Mr President, Sir, as every one is a programme which will bring added aware, the achievement gained in prosperity to the nation and to the Malaya's Second Five-Year Plan was people. But others are of the opinion due mainly to the hard work put in that much more should be done to by all, from the Ministers right down up-Lift the living standards particularly the line to the labourers in the field. of the rural population. I am, however, Now, this splendid co-operation was inclined to share the sentiment that the the result of proper planning and diyi- Plan is definitely going to greatly sion of responsibility. Committees were improve the living conditions through- set up at National, State, District and out our country. By 1970, the many even Kampong level to discuss, formu- projects set out in the Development late, and implement the various blueprint, costing a colossal sum of schemes. Every project was closely $10,500 million, are bound to set the examined before implementation. I am whole machinery of our nation hum- sure that with the same spirit, dedica- ming in greater activity. With more tion and determination, the First Five- irrigation and drainage schemes, agri- Year Plan for the whole of Malaysia cultural production will certainly be can also achieve the same success. stepped up, leading our country closer However, I wish to point out that to self-sufficiency, particularly in the when Malaya's Second Five-Year Plan staple food of rice. was launched in 1960, the all-round enthusiasm was great and there was Mr President, Sir, the various indus- keeness everywhere. Unfortunately, tries of our nation will also churn out from personal experience, I noticed more manufactured goods, both for that the same enthusiasm began to home consumption and for export to wane in the closing stages, i.e. during other countries. The per capita income the last two years of the Plan. This will also and generally the people of slack in enthusiasm and lack of spirit Malaysia will become more prosperous. could easily wreck any programme Now all these will result in a better life how every well planned it might be. for all. This attitude must be corrected, if the First Malaysia Plan is to be carried out But, Mr President, Sir, there is one successfully. We must, therefore, call thing to which I would like to draw for the revival of enthusiasm and the attention of the Government. Sir, resurrection of this spirit. 1233 22 DECEMBER 1965 1234

Mr President, Sir, there is another in the evening. This bridge because of point which needs a little emphasis. its narrow width has caused many I refer to the question of red tape. As fatal motor car accidents. I have per- our Deputy Prime Minister, Tun Haji sonally seen an accident where a Abdul Razak, had repeatedly stated mother and her baby were drowned. in the past five years, civil servants During the past five years this bridge must do away with all unnecessary red had claimed not less than 30 lives. tape, if the pace of development is to I have taken this matter up with the be accelerated. No undue obstacle or Public Works Department, Selangor, hindrance must be created for the sometime ago and I was given to smooth and speedy implementation of understand that a plan is ready for the various schemes. I know of one the construction of a wider bridge. I definite instance where a simple small appeal to the Minister for his sympa- project to supply water to a kampong thetic consideration and release of with a population of 3,000 has been funds for its early implementation. held up for four years; and up till Mr President, Sir, I would now like today this project is still on paper. I to refer to the problem of squatters understand the delay is due to and low-cost housing. My spotlight differences of opinion among some of will be on Kuala Lumpur. Sir, it is the officers concerned. This has resulted true that several multi-storey flats have in a marathon correspondence and the been built in the Federal Capital as public is made to suffer. Sir, I am part of the Government's programme sure that this is one of the many cases to re-house squatters and to clear up in which projects are held up. I hope slum areas. The Government's effort the Government will see to it that such is praiseworthy, because it is an open nonsense will not be repeated for the secret that these slum areas are not First Malaysia Plan. only a death trap but also serve as a Mr President, Sir, I now wish to hide-out for gangsters and thugs. It is refer to page 596 of the Estimates of equally well known that many squat- Federal Expenditures for 1966 under ters are renting cubicles in the already the Ministry of Works, Posts and small huts and it is these people, the Telecommunications, where a provision tenants, who rightly deserve any alter- of $14,334,700 is budgeted for the nate accommodation. Therefore, in Maintenance of Public Roads and alloting low-cost flats, I hope the Bridges. I appeal on behalf of the authorities will ensure that the real residents of Jinjang New Village and occupants and not the owners Kepong that a certain sum from this of squatter huts are given any vote be used to widen the bridge consideration. leading to the Jinjang New Village. Another matter which I wish to point This bridge is hardly 20 feet wide ... . out is this. I have been informed that Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar: Sir, on a there are quite a number of private point of order, could the Honourable developers, who are prepared to build Member refer to details in the low-cost flats to help in the Govern- Estimates? ment's programme to solve the squatter problem; but, unfortunately, they face Mr President: I do not think he is a big obstacle. I refer to the exorbitant referring in detail. He is just quoting sums demanded by squatters or tenants in passing. as compensation before they are pre- Enche' Chan Keong Hon: Thank pared to shift out to make way for any you. This bridge, as I said, is hardly housing scheme. I hope the Govern- 20 feet wide with no provision for ment will also look into this issue, so a pedestrian walk, and it is sited at a that slum areas in the capital could very sharp bend. There are about be speedily cleared up. Perhaps, 5,000 people, tappers, labourers, school Mr President, Sir, to this end, children and others, using this bridge certain form of legislation is the answer. everyday to go to work and return I am sure Honourable Members will 1235 22 DECEMBER 1965 1236

agree with me that squatter huts are fragmentation. For this purpose, it is an eye-sore to visiting V.I.Ps and my humble opinion that legislation by foreign tourists. the Government is absolutely necessary Before I conclude, I wish to associ- to prevent fragmentation. When we ate myself with my colleagues in discuss fragmentation, we must at all congratulating the Honourable Minis- times bear in our minds the human ter of Finance for his so called mild factor involved, and it cannot be dis- Budget for 1966, and I hope he will puted that fragmentation is a social be able to present to the House a evil. Therefore, I call upon the relevant less controversial Budget for 1967 in Ministry to undertake the prohibition the light of constructive public criti- of fragmentation by enacting appro- cisms and experience gained in its priate legislation. implementation during 1966. Thank Sir, I will also fail in my duty if I you, Sir. (Applause). do not comment on estate hospitals. Mr President: Persidangan ini di- Some of the estate hospitals are an tanggohkan sa-hingga pada pukul 2.30 eye sore and their present plight petang. reflects on our national integrity and dignity. It is time that the estate hos- Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m. pitals are brought under the supervision Sitting resumed at 2.30 p.m. of the Government. Such a move will enable an efficient and effective health (Mr (Deputy) President in the Chair) service in estates. Mr (Deputy) President: Ahli2 Yang Enche' Lim Joo Kong: Tuan Yang Berhormat, oleh sebab kita ada lagi di-Pertua, saya menguchap ribuan 17 Bill yang kita mesti habiskan pada terima kaseh, sebab saya dapat peluang hari ini, saya harap-lah Ahli2 Yang berchakap sekarang dan sunggoh2-nya Berhormat itu boleh memendekkan daripada kelmarin sampai sekarang uchapan mereka berkenaan dengan lebeh kurang 20 kali saya sudah Supply Bill ini dan saya akan meminta bangun tetapi sa-kali pun ta' dapat Menteri2 menjawab-nya pada pukul peluang boeh berchakap. 3.30. Mr President, Sir, I rise to join my Enche' D. S. Dorai Raj: Mr Pre- other colleagues in congratulating the sident, Sir, first of all, I take this Honourable Minister of Finance for opportunity to congratulate the Minis- his ability in drawing up such a com- ter of Finance for presenting a well prehensive, bold and progressive Bud- balanced Budget to the nation. His get, without adding much extra burden national consciousness and farsighted- to our tax-payers, despite so much ness is leading the nation towards a development having been achieved by just and prosperous society. As the the Alliance Government under the Alliance is dedicated towards national brilliant leadership of our Tunku progress and the creation of equal within such a short time and in the society, the Minister of Finance has face of Indonesian confrontation. Sir, spared no time in achieving this object. human nature is such that it is more On scrutinising the Budget, I have pleasant to take rather than give. certain observations to make parti- Hence, the job of the Minister to take cularly on the estimates for Agriculture money from the pockets of the people and Co-operatives. As an ex-employee to run the Government is not a pleasant of a rubber plantation, I am gravely one no matter how little he tries to tax concerned over the fragmentation of the people. rubber estates in this country. Frag- Sir, on behalf of the people of mentation gives rise to many social Kedah in particular, and the people problems, such as unemployment, of Malaysia in general, I thank the housing, and economic ruin to the Minister of Finance and our Alliance nation. The National Finance and Government for the successful conclu- Land Co-operative Society and its sion of the agreement whereby our leadership have agreed to battle against country obtains a loan of $135 million 1237 22 DECEMBER 1965 1238

from the world Bank for the purpose Government to them. Therefore, unless of the development of the Muda River the millers are in a position to buy project. The completion of this project ail the padi, the Government's aim would enable a quarter of a million would be defeated . The padi harvest in acres of padi fields in North Kedah Kedah will be in full swing in the next and Penis to plant two padi crops a few weeks and, therefore , I sincerely year, thereby increasing the padi hope that the Honourable Ministers planters' income by more than one will find all the ways and means to hundred per cent, thus improving the remedy this defect without delay. standard of living of our planters and of our people which comprise most of Sir, it is wise for the Government to the indigenous people . This will no diversify industries throughout the doubt bring us nearer to our goal in length and breadth of the country, the production of sufficient food for either in time of peace or war, and it the people of Malaysia , saving our would be advisable to have factories country much of the $600 million established at places where raw mate- which goes to the cost of the food rials can be obtained in abundance. which we are now importing into our For example, it would be no use to country yearly. I sincerely hope that put up rice mills in Kuala Lumpur, all Government officers responsible for or in Ipoh , where you cannot grow the construction of this project will put padi and to put up smelting factories their heart and soul into achieving the in Kedah, where we do not have tin completion of this project at the ore. I say this, because some Members earliest possible date. of this House have been clamouring for the establishment of paper manu- It is most regretful to note that in facturing factories elsewhere. Sir, the implementation of the Govern- Kedah is our country's biggest pro- ment's most important self-sufficiency ducer of padi, and we are proud of policy, there have been some snags being always referred to as the granary about which we have been informed of Malaysia. So, there is no argument by some Honourable Members of this that there is an abundance of padi House e.g. that padi was allowed to straw, which is one of the best raw rot in the padi fields and that some materials for paper manufacturing. padi planters were only able to obtain The establishment of a paper factory as little as $8 for a pikul of padi, in Kedah would surely bring in much whereas the Government guarantees extra income to the padi planters, as them that they would receive not they can cash in on their padi straw, less than $16. I fervently hope that the which is now just thrown away , or left Honourable Minister of Agriculture to rot in the fields, or burnt . I hope the will make every effort to find out the Honourable Minister of Commerce and causes of such snags and take what- Industry will kindly and carefully con- ever immediate action necessary to sider my suggestion for the establish- remedy the defects. ment of a paper factory in Kedah, As I pointed out in this House which will no doubt provide employ - before, the Government has been piti- ment for many thousands of farmers, fully slow in the payment of rice money who are idle for six months of the to the millers and as a consequence the year during the off season. millers have suffered heavy losses and Sir, I was given the honour by the are unable to buy much of the padi Prime Minister to have samples of from the planters. It will be no use paper, which I manufactured by hand asking our farmers to grow more padi from padi straw, tested at the Govern- when they cannot market their padi. ment laboratory in Ipoh. The paper Our Government would lose the con- was found to be much more stronger fidence of the people, if it could not than that manufactured from rubber carry out its pledge , guaranteeing that wood pulp . Therefore, there should not the padi planters would not get less be any reason to suggest that straw than what is guaranteed by the paper is no good. 12.39 22 DECEMBER 1965. 1240

Now, Sir it is with regret that I have Lumpur, I could not find any local rice some criticisms to make against the being offered for sale to customers and administration of the Department of when I called at some eating shops Radio and Broadcasting . i am reluc- asking for a plate of Kedah rice, I tant to do so , because the Honourable was in fact served with foreign rice and Minister is my own kinsman or coun- was told that our local rice is no tryman , having come from the same good. Sir, here again, we can clearly State and moreover one of my sons note that unless we can put a stop to is serving under him in his Ministry, this state of affairs, all our efforts in but, for the sake of advancement and encouraging our farmers to grow more for the benefit and good of our people rice would be thrown overboard and and country, I have to point out some our aim to make our country self- of the defects of this Ministry to sufficient would be defeated. The Honourable Members of this House. actual fact is that the Government Recently, I wrote a letter to the Direc- purchases rice from Kedah in Alor tor, trying to correct some mistakes, Star at $26 per pikul . Therefore, the but the reply gave me such a shock price in Kuala Lumpur should be very that I had to swallow one full packet much higher moreover it is only for of Aspro before I could recover. It the ordinary type and therefore, the seems to me that our radio broad- prices of other special varieties should casting system is some sort of foreign be much higher. Hence, I say the secret agency, doing propaganda work quotations by Radio Malaysia is hope- for some foreign countries at the lessly misleading and radiculous. expense of our country, because the reply given to me was that they got Sir, I wish to make this opportunity the information in respect of our local to point our to the Honourable Mem- rice from a foreign source. It makes us ber from Perlis in respect of what he a laughing stock, Sir, when it cannot said yesterday in connection with the even pronounce correctly the name of purchase of padi, as I am directly con- our Minister of Commerce and cerned in this line. He told this House Industry, Dr Lim Swee Aun. I hope yesterday that rice-millers in Kedah the Honourable Minister will find a and Perlis paid more than $ 16 for a quick remedy for this defect, and pikul of padi in June or July this year, direct Radio Malaysia to do more and I am indeed grateful to him for publicity for our local products for the telling the truth. The Government benefit and good of our people and the guarantees the padi planters $16 per country. pikul of good, dry and fully matured Sir, our country produces some padi free of empty grains , dust, straw of the best rice, such as jarum and any other foreign matters, and the mas, rambut pandan , ramai ringan, padi is to be delivered up to the beras umai, etc., which are second to Government's mill door; that is to say none in comparison with the other that, unless the private millers are types of rice in any other part of the prepared to pay in accordance with world. Radio Malaysia daily broad- what is laid down by Government casts and quotes the prices of Kedah regulations, the padi planters can sell rice for $20.50 per pikul, which is all his padi to the Government mill hopelessly misleading and ridiculous, because the Government undertakes to because even the cost of broken rice buy whatever quantity of padi offered of some other countries are higher to the Government for sale. Therefore, than this price. Therefore , this creates the interest of the padi planters is a very wrong and bad impression in fully protected and well looked after the mind of our people that our Kedah by the Government , and I hope this rice must be very, very bad indeed and will not worry our Honourable Mem- unpalatable to human beings, because ber. However, that does not mean to broken rice is usually used as animal say that the planter can ask the miller fodder. No wonder, Sir, when I visited to go to the padi field and collect his some of the rice shops in Kuala padi in other words, the miller will 1241 22 DECEMBER 1965 1242

be supplied with padi straightaway Sir, in the first instance, I should like from the padi fields, without drying, to congratulate the Honourable Minis- full of moisture contents, straw, empty ter for his very able speech which he grains, dust, and be asked to pay $16 was very kind enough to distribute to for a pikul of padi. We have heard us here. As usual, it presents the entire the Honourable Minister said yesterday economic vista of the country and the that he found out that actually the approach is very rational. As in the millers in Tanjong Karang were buying past, it covers the international aspects at $13 after all the deductions, and not of economics, particularly projecting at $8 as alleged by some Honourable those countries which determine the Members in this House the planter cost of economics in the world, it also must harvest his padi after it is fully states the problems and in the end matured and then have his padi suffi- the Minister proposed various taxes ciently dried up to a required standard that he would like to introduce. of dryness, which can be measured by Since last year, we have gone a certain moisture metre. The Honour- through an important change; much able Member from Perlis has also water has flowed under the political admitted that conditions differ in each bridge of our country; and last year State and that in his State of Perlis none of us had any idea at all that the area of operation for a haulier is Malaysia would be bifurcated, but, as less than a distance of ten miles. But, we know, the country is now no longer Sir, in Kedah the distance between its as it was last year. Despite that, as has northern and southern frontier is been stated by our Prime Minister, the more than one hundred miles and a bifurcation has brought about better rice-miller would usually send out his stability in the internal affairs of the lorry to collect padi for a distance of country, and we hope it will continue nearly fifty miles. To suggest that to be so. charges for carrying a bag of padi In so far as the Honourable Minister should be fifteen cents is senseless, of Finance is concerned, the Supply unless the lorry can operate on air and Bill this year has been generally well water. As the Member himself has also received it is said to be mild and admitted, in accordance with the Road various epithets have been attributed Transport Regulations, a haulier is to it, such as a painless Budget, "or as entitled to charge twenty-five cents per a mild Budget". But having regard to ton per mile. Working on this basis of the one that we had last year, one calculation, it would amount to $1.25 might say that this is certainly not a per bag for a distance of fifty miles. So, very "biting" Supply Bill. Last year, I hope this will satisfy that Honourable the Honourable Minister made inroads colleague of mine, and I hope my into various new avenues of taxation, explanation is quite clear to him. That such as the turnover tax, the capital is all I wish to speak today. Thank gains tax and the payroll tax. All you very much. these were new taxes to the country and these were introduced in the Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr Presi- interest of the country mainly for three dent, Sir, I am conscious of the fact reasons; development, defence and dip- that this is a debate at large and an lomacy. On all these three fronts the annual opportunity to air one's views, country had to make frontal attacks and, and every conceivable view might therefore, the country had to raise the appear to be relevant. In view of the necessary money to meet the commit- fact that there is little time ahead of ments. Last year the country received us and that a number of other Bills the Supply Bill with a great deal of have to be debated, I should like to misgivings, doubts, anxiety and fear, resist the temptation of making a long and during the last whole year I should speech and try to be as brief as I say that the economic market cf this possibly can, in view of the fact that country has been rather tight buying other Members may still want to speak and selling, particularly land transac- on this Supply Bill. tions, had come to standstill; the sellers 1243 22 DECEMBER 1965 1244

were chasing the purchasers, yet the that it will keep up the healthy econo- prices did not seem to come down very mic growth of the country. I know much though appreciably it had in there are a number of countries which some respects.. know that a number of have capital gains tax, but if in the building projects had come to a stand- case, for instance, of lands the gradu- still half-way, because of the credit ated scales are proposed, 1 would squeeze imposed by the banks as a suggest that if the Minister wants result of the monetary policy of the money there, I suppose the easiest way Government, the Supply Bill last year is to increase the stamp duty which can itself, and various impositions of taxes be quite easily collected. At the and so on. I hope a better climate moment we pay $10 per $1,000 which would be introduced, so that the is less when compared with other buoyancy of economy will be main- countries -I was in India for the whole tained and the fluidity of transactions of last month, and I came back crAy will continue, so that there will be a 3 or 4 days ago; there, they have a healthy economic atmosphere. higher level of stamp duty; I am told that they pay something like $10 for Sir, I am glad to note that the every $100 of transaction which is very Minister has opened himself to per- high indeed but certainly we can raise suasion. Very often, he has been it and instead of $10 for every $1,000 criticised as a very stern and strict of transferred properties land, I Minister,, who would not easily give mean it can be raised to $30 or $40. in, but he has admirably shewn that and it can be very easily collected where sufficient convincing argument because the transaction would not be is put forth, he would reconsider his completed unless the stamp duty is proposals. His position is not enviable; paid. From the point of view of admin- his job is a thankless one, and he has istration, it is simpler and would keep got a dual role of having to raise money alive the land liquidity; and the for the requirements of the country Government it bound to get higher mainly, to meet the three dimensions revenue from that angle rather than of defence, diplomacy and develop- going to this complicated structure of ment-and to release what he collects graduated scales of capital gains tax. on the basis of fair-play and equilib- rium between the various claims. Both Sir, on the whole, I think the pro- these jobs are not easy, and both posals are quite reasonable having these jobs attract a good deal of criti- regard to the fact that we have not rid cism, so much so that the Minister ourselves of the onslaught or external himself said that he had developed, threat from Indonesia. The threat is I think, a crocodile skin to all these there, the pressure is there, and we criticisms. But even though he might have been compelled to increase our have developed this skin, he has shown defence expenditure from about 7 aer that he is prepared to reconsider things cent to 15 per cent or so, and that as in the case of the turnover tax, accounts for the second claimant in where he has reconsidered it and is the appropriations of our expenditure. now limiting it to a single-stage levy. This is of course, unnecessary, and though we do not want to do it, but In the case of the capital gains tax when faced by a challenge we cannot this was another source of anxiety to simply sit back and expect God to help a lot of people, and particularly land us. We have help ourselves and, there- transactions which, as I said, came to fore, this need for greater expenditure a stop because of this capital gains has come about. tax. But, Sir, I am glad to note that this again is to be reviewed, and the I am particularly impressed that in experience of other countries is to be the appropriations, the field of educa- taken into consideration to see whether tion has attracted the largest amount. or not it is to be implemented. I would It is somewhere around $300,000.000 ask the Minister to drop the whole out of a total of $1,500.000,000 of capital gains tax, as I do not think expenditure, roughly speaking and 1245 22 DECEMBER 1965 1246

I made a quick calculation this is Industrial Research, a Standards Insti- somewhere around 21 % of the alloca- tute, and an Institute of Industrial tion of the entire expenditure. This is Technology. All these are, of course, something very high indeed. I have most welcome steps. They should have had the occasion to look into the been established a long time ago but figures of countries elsewhere. For many of these things are, of course, example, Thailand nearby only spends relative; they do not grow out of a about 16 per cent with no confronta- vacuum; they have to grow in the con- tion, whereas we who are in the midst text of general development. Now that of various tensions and pressures, are we are industrialising, all these Insti- spending more on education and cer- tutes are necessary, but then these are tainly this is a very good investment, at the higher level. What we need is because in the modern world education scientific knowledge being imparted to is regarded as the soundest form of children right from a young age, so that investment. It is intangible but it is our educational policy will be geared likely to produce results in the growth not merely from the point of view of of a nation in the course of time. acquiring knowledge but also from the point of view of securing full employ- I had occasion the last time to men- ment. If we are going to rely too much tion that our educational policy, as the on the three arts, then, I am afraid Minister of Education is always brim- we are going to create a lot of pro- ming with ideas, and he is a man who blems for ourselves, as happened in is receptive to new ideas, had been India for instance where too many subjected to changes from time to time, people with arts degrees are loitering and to some extent this was causing in the streets seeking jobs. We do not anxiety to parents, because the parents want to create a situation like that. did not know where their children were What we want to create is a community standing, in so far as education was with sufficient scientific knowledge and concerned, and it had been said that in knowledge of general affairs, so that Singapore education had been rather they could be fitted into the various stable. However, we have this problem aspects of life when they reach the of having to create a nation and appropriate ages; and in this it is national consciousness and national very important that that emphasis personality, and our education policy should be laid more on applied science will have to be geared and tied to that. rather than fundamental science. That is understandable. Having accep- ted that, then I think it is only fair As I said, when I was in India, I that the parents of this country have had made certain enquiries in this res- the right to expect some kind of pect. Where that country went wrong stability in the educational system of was that they had been paying a great the country and not for it to be changed deal of respect to fundamental research, from time to time, thereby creating all abstract science. As a result, they have kinds of convulsions. I asked and not made much headway in spite of pressed for' the last time that our educa- the fact that they say that they are now in the economic take-off, indus- tion should be given science orienta- trial take-off; but in spite of that, they tion. We have been relying too much have not gone to the kind of speed that on the British pattern of paying great Japan had when she took off econo- respect to arts. I think the time has mically years ago. In fact, Japan paid come for a country like ours to create greater respect to applied science first, a science orientation and, therefore, and then got on to fundamental re- our science orientation should begin search later. That is why I emphasise right at the primary level itself. that the sciences should be taught The Honourable Minister of Finance right from the primary level, where in his Budget speech delivered applied science can be taught to chil- elsewhere has mentioned that arrange- dren so as to develop scientific thought, ments are being made to establish a scientific attitude and a scientific frame National Institute of Scientific and of mind. 1247 22 DECEMBER 1965 1248

Now, Sir, while talking on education, students, boys and girls, are going to I would like to touch on, as I have come out seeking for jobs, whereas the mentioned earlier, this question of full Malaysia Development Plan is only employment, because education is going to provide jobs for about 70,000 related to full employment and it is there is a short fall of about 30,000 now accepted that the responsibility every year. How are we going to find of a modern Government is to provide jobs for them? This is a very important jobs for its citizens. Gone are the problem -I find the Honourable Minis- laissez faire days, when the Government ter for Labour is here because I left the people to fend for themselves, remember in the Indian Government Now, the Government has to provide Second Five-Year Plan they created society with the necessary means of jobs for 8 million people during the livelihood. Every State, no matter Five-Year Plan period and during the whether it is right or left, wants to be a same period about 12 million people welfare state. Therefore, with our free came into the labour market seeking enterprise economy, we believe never- for jobs, and in the end there was a theless, that we should create the net loss and not a net gain. necessary conditions for full employ- ment. How far we can have this, A similar situation may arise here, consistent with free enterprise, is a considering the fact that our rate of matter of practical application, and population growth is one of the highest probably the idea of free enterprise in in the world and it is 3 per cent. Now, its entire sense may not be enforced if we allow this rate of growth to con- strictly. It will have to be modified tinue, I am afraid that we will. be from the point of view of enforcing having in our hands quite a problem employment. There, again, it is a matter of unemployment, unless our educa- of empiricism, and as we go by we tion policy is so geared as to provide may have to evolve our policies. But jobs for all these youngsters, who are what is alarming is what the Minister coming out. As our country is not very for Finance has pointed out on page big and we have only limited resources 15 of the speech; he has rightly drawn this will be a tremendous social attention to the fact that, for instance, problem. last year itself, 115,800 boys and girls Again the Minister, on page 16 of left school and again a similar number his speech, has spotlighted the fact is expected at the end of this year, that in 1964, for instance, and I am and he said -I quote, "Last year about quoting the Minister: 115,800 boys and girls left school. At "The pattern of unemployment by age the end of this year at least another groups of both sexes followed the same 100,000 boys and girls would be leaving pattern as in 1964 with the highest rate for school. Unless many more jobs are unemployment occurring in the age groups created in the future than have been 15-19 and 20-24". created in the past, the position will Now, this is the age group that is by deteriorate progressively" This is a very and large unemployed. We are a strange sound warning. How are we going to nation here, because roughly about 50 do it, the Minister has not mentioned per cent. of our people are below the very much by way of concrete sugges- ages of 21. We have got a very youth- tions in his speech although he has ful population and they are coming out pointed out the problem. He has also every year in large numbers seeking drawn attention to the Malaysia for jobs, and something should be done Development Five-Year Plan, which in this direction and one of the long- makes provision for 65,000 jobs in term projects is, of course, population 1966 and thereafter annually 70,000 control through family planning. That jobs during the period of the Plan. If has also been mentioned, and I am you are going to take this figure as the glad to note that the Minister in his maximum correct figure envisaged, then speech has said, and I quote if we compare it with the Minister's "The Government has decided to encour- figure that every year about 100,000 age family planning as a matter of policy 1249 22 DECEMBER 1965 1250 as .:a result of the findings of a high level foreign affairs has been a pragmatic committee headed by the Minister of one, not , merely tied down to high Education." sounding platitudes; and it has been I am glad that the Government has growing in terms of our national needs agreed to encourage this - as a matter and experiences. It has been said that of policy. Hitherto, this was left in the the fundamental principle in evolving hands of family planning associations, a foreign policy is your own interest voluntary bodies, and they could just national interest is the primary in- carry on in a very moderate way. terest and we cannot simply be However, I think it is only proper that carried away by illogical consideration the Government should take it over because we cannot afford the luxury and see that this idea of family plan- of it. Some other countries tried it, ning is spread, so that we would have and now they are coming around to manageable families, families with the pragmatic way. For instance, quality than quantity. Of course, at the again, I quote India, where at one time moment it can be said that, having they considered themselves the har- regard to the fact that only about 17 bingers of peace, and Nehru's per cent. to 18 per cent. of the States leadership was like that, but now of Malaya is developed and even lesser they are coming around to the view proportions of Sarawak and Sabah are that their primary interest must prevail developed, there is greater room for in their thinking of their foreign policy. human expansion. Strictly speaking, Now, some time ago, the Honourable we are an underpopulated nation, but Prime Minister, who is the Minister of at this stage of development we are Foreign Affairs, more or less succinctly overpopulated. Maybe, as we indus- stated what the policy of the Govern- trialise and we create more jobs, we ment is in regard to foreign affairs. can have the luxury of having un- The policy is broadly laid down in the limited numbers in our families; but Alliance Manifesto and it is very clear at the moment of economic develop- to anyone, but in the light of the ment, our industrial set-up, we are riot experiences gained he recently said in a position to have large families. this and I quote this because this was Even in highly developed countries an answer to a question raised in the like Sweden, 85 per cent. of the Lower House : average family there has got only one "The Government's policy was to cultivate child and about 10 per cent. two the friendship of countries friendly to children, and the rest three children. Malaysia." So, even in countries so highly He also said : developed, they believe in the theory "Foreign policy could not remain stag- of limiting their families, and I hope nant. It has to expand to keep pace with that the Government will put teeth into the changing world trends." this and not merely be hamstrung by Then, also, the question of having other irrelevant considerations, because diplomatic relations with communist this is a very important matter of countries was raised, and he said : national importance and consequence. "The question of Malaya establishing Now, Sir, the other point that I diplomatic relations with communist c en- would like to touch upon, without tries depends very much on the desire for taking much more time, is (Laughter) friendship on their side." I am trying to cut it short the We have now come to this stage, in question of foreign affairs, which is our foreign policy, of having relation- a matter of close interest to me and ship with communist countries. We to other Members here. In this field have gone through the terrible various Members have expressed experience of internal communist their opinions unfortunately, the trouble but that is internal. However, Minister of Foreign Affairs is not here, in so fart` as international affairs are but we hope that- what we have said concerned, our thinking has `eome^ to will fall into the ears of the appropriate this stage of now having " diplomatic authorities. Now -on the whole, our relations with communist 'countries. 1251 22 DECEMBER 1965 1252

The main thing is whether the other the possibility or recognising both : sides are willing to show friendship. if we recognise one, we have to If they are willing to show it, then recognise the other, or recognise we are willing to reciprocate that is Taiwan, and the mainland China as a highly pragmatic approach. China. However, in view of various other reasons both could not be The Prime Minister also mentioned recognised, but not on the ground about having connections with Bel- that there are Chinese here and if grade, but he said that merely by Taiwan comes in here it might upset having diplomatic relations with the Chinese attitude here. As a matter communist countries does not mean of fact, hypothetically, I would e^ en readjustment in Malaysia's foreign say that assuming China had not policy. Having stated this, I should become communist and China had now like to draw attention to what remained nationalist, there would in my colleague, Senator Aishah Ghani, fact have been a Chinese embassy here mentioned about Taiwan. She did a long time ago. Because the mainland raise one or two questions, and the China went communist and Taiwan way that she put it alarmed me a bit, remained in the nationalist hands, and because she said, "if we are going to there was this problem of having to have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, recognise both or not to recognise any, what will be the attitude of the Chinese this problem was simply left in here towards the Nationalist Govern- abeyance. The question that was ment?", thereby raising almost a doubt raised by the Honourable Senator as to the attitude of the Chinese; and Aishah Ghani, as to what would be this was replied to by the Honourable the attitude of the Chinese in this Senator Lim Hee Hong, who has said country, somewhat impliedly raised a that the Chinese loyalty to this country doubt as to their loyalty, and that is is second to none and that it cannot why Senator Lim Hee Hong had to be doubted. I am only taking this answer that. Of course, as far as purely from the rational argument Taiwan is concerned, the policy as point of view. If that is the argument, laid down by the Tunku is this -I then we can take the same argument quote, "Government's policy is to vis-a-vis the Indians. We have got the cultivate the friendship of countries Indian High Commissioner here and friendly to Malaysia." If this is the he has been here all along. Are we criterion, then I would say Taiwan is going to say that it is dangerous to have friendly to Malaysia, because of the the Indian High Commission here relationship we already have with them, because there are lots of Indians in particularly in the field of agriculture, this country? And then can you ask, and also to some extent in education, "What will be the attitude of the and they have been showing their Indians towards the Indian Govern- friendship towards us quite openly, ment or to ...... while on the other hand Red China Che' Aishah binti Ha ji Abdul has been trying to crush us. I do not Ghani: There are no two Indias, but say this but, it has been said by no there are two Chinas. less than the Permanent Secretary to the Ministry of External Affairs, Dato' Enche' Athi Nahaapan : She says Ghazali Shafie. He said this while it only now, but she did not give this addressing the Ipoh Rotary Club, and point yesterday. In fact, I am now he referred to "Red China's urand coming round to the point as to why. design" he said that Red China's If she had mentioned this point policy is to encourage hostilities, if yesterday, then she would have had possible, between Asian countries, a stronger point in her favour. The while not involving their forces reason why Malaysia has not recog- directly. "For China's grand design nised Taiwan up till now is that there to succeed. Malaysia had to be are two Chinas, and Malaysia has at crliched" that is what Dato' Ghazali some time or other even though of Shafie said. Not merely Malaysia had 1253 22 DECEMBER 1965 1254 to be crushed, she tried to crush us "The Government intends to play a more through Indonesia and she also tried active role in industrial promotion. To achieve this, the Government has enlisted to reduce India to size, because these the services of a wellknown industrial two countries are now the only consultant from the United States to remaining true democracies in Asia, identify specific investment opportunities in and she does not want these two Malaysia." countries to carry on this democratic This has been one of my pet theories, pattern of society for fear that if they and 'I have been advocating it in this succeed, other Asian countries would forum from time to time, because emulate, and thereby defeating her though we believe in free enterprise, own policy of international revolution there are a number of basic industries to establish the communist society which cannot be convenient'y started throughout the world. Therefore, Red off by free enterprise, and if we are China is definitely against us. We know going to wait for them, the country that. She has not minced her words will not be able to forge ahead. Now, about it. She has openly said about it. the time has come for the Government On the other hand, Nationalist China to start off certain basic types of has shown us friendship, and is industries either exclusively by itself showing us friendship. So, if our or in conjunction with private capital policy is to have friendship with and thereby lay the necessary industrial countries who show friendship to us, fabric. I hope some positive steps then it is only logical that we should would be taken in this direction and reciprocate and the opening has been even if it is termed "socialism" it does made by hav:ng Nationalist China's not matter, because we are committed Consul here. I only hope that even- to creating a welfare society. tually we will be able to have That is all, sir. Though I have so diplomatic relations with Nationalist many other points to mention but in China at the appropriate time. I think view of the shortness of time. I the time has come for us to take bold conclude here, and I thank you for stands on foreign policies. While we giving me this opportunity. are forging ahead to have relations Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: with communist countries on matters (rises). of principle and self-interest, we should also be quite bold enough to have Mr (Deputy) President : Berapa lama relations on matters of principle with Ahli Yang Berhormat hendak ber- countries like Nationalist China. Of chakap ? course, across the Causeway, they try Nik Hassan: Saya tidak berani ber- to have all kinds of juggleries but let janji kerana banyak orang yang us be quite candid in our views, even berj anj i telah melanggar j anj i ; saya though at the risk of being misunder- memendekkan chakap saya itu sa- stood at some stage rather: but in the berapa rengkas yang bo'_eh. long run an honest foreign policy will Mr (Deputy) President: Saya beri- be well appreciated. There is one other point and that is the last. The Honour- lah 15 minit ! able Dato' Haj i Mohamed Noah in Nik Hassan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, his speech has suggested that it is time dalam menyokong chadangan yang for Government to participate in di-bawa bagi Anggaran Perbelanjaan industrial projects, and I am glad that bagi tahun 1966 ini, saya memberi this also has been somewhat echoed uchapan tahniah kapada Menteri by the Honourable Minister of Finance Kewangan kita kerana keberanian-nya in his speech on page 12, where he mengemukakan Anggaran Belanja says that ...... tahun ini, walau pun dia di-serang oleh berbagai2 pehak dalam berbagai Mr (Deputy) President: How long perkara. Tetapi ini sudah perkara more will you take to finish? biasa. Apa yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan Enche' Athi Nahappan: Another itu tentu-lah ada tegoran dan pan- five minutes Sir. He said this : dangan yang di-datangkan daripada 1255 22 DECEMBER 1965 1256

wakil2 ra`ayat. Ini-lah demokrasi, supaya wakil ra`ayat berchakap. Di- ma`ana-nya ' satu orang ahli pembang- Kelantan demokrasi telah mati, telah kang ada berkata Kerajaan hari ini di-bunoh oleh Kerajaan PAS. Tidak di- is-lak satu Kerajaan yang telah tidak benarkan berchakap dalam Dewan lagi dapat keperchayaan daripada ahli Negeri sa-hingga apabila bangkit satu UMNO sendiri oleh kerana dalam ahli dalam Dewan Negeri, Menteri perbahathan2 ini ahli2 pehak Kerajaan Besar tahan tidak mahu bagi dia ber- pun telah juga memberi bangkangan chakap. Dia mahu berchakap juga, atau pun tegoran kapada uchapan2 dan Menteri Besar bangun berchakap dasar2 Kerajaan. lebeh dahulu daripada wakil yang Bagi saya, saya rasa ini-lah demok- hendak berchakap. Ini sama2 pada rasi yang sehat; siapa yang mewakili wakil Kerajaan, jadi ma`ana-nya ra`ayat dia berhak bersuara apa yang ra`ayat Kelantan terpaksa bergantong ra`ayat mahu kapada Kerajaan, mahu kapada wakil daripada pehak pem- pun dia pembangkang, mahu pun dia bangkang untok menyampaikan hasrat dari ' pehak wakil daripada gulongan hati-nya. Ini belum pernah berlaku Kerajaan; tetapi dia berhak menyuara- dalam mana2 negeri pun dalam Per- kan apa yang di-kehendaki oleh ra`ayat sekutuan Malaysia ini. Di-Perak, di- dalam kawasan-nya itu. Bagi Dewan Trengganu, di-mana negeri kita beri Negara ini berhak-lah wakil2 daripada kebebasan wakil ra`ayat boleh ber- Kerajaan2 Negeri itu menyuarakan apa suara apa yang dia hendak suarakan, yang di-kehendaki oleh Kerajaan bagitu juga di-Dewan Parlimen kita Negeri itu-lah demokrasi. Tetapi di-sini. bukan-lah ma`ana-nya kalau bagi Jadi bukan berma`ana apabila ki to pehak ahli Kerajaan menentang atau mengemukakan pendapat kita itu ki to pun memberi fikiran, memberi pen- tidak ada keperchayaan kapada Kera- dapat-nya, itu menunjokkan sudah jaan jauh sa-kali ! Ini kita sa-bagai tidak ada keperchayaan. Ini tudohan wakil Ra`ayat yang di-pileh oleh yang liar dan berat sa-kali. ra`ayat, kita mahu bentangkan apa Kita Kerajaan Perikatan, Kerajaan yang ra`ayat mahu dalam kawasan Pusat ini, tidak sa-bagaimana Kerajaan kita. Itu tidak salah, tidak salah pada PAS di-Kelantan. Saya hendak beri `adat demokrasi. Itu point yang soya tahu kapada Dewan di-sini semenjak hendak terangkan pada Dewan ini PAS memerentah di-Kelantan, dari- supaya semua orang tahu demokrasi pada tiap2 tahun Meshuarat Budget- sudah mati di-Kelantan. nya wakil ra`ayat tidak boleh Perkara yang kedua saya menyokong berchakap membentangkan fikiran dan kata pehak Pembangkang tadi, Kera- pendapat dari ra`ayat kampong. jaan hari ini patut segera menubohkan Kerana Menteri Besar-nya menahan `Surohanjaya Bebas' untok menyiasat wakil2 ra`ayat itu berchakap. Jadi yang rasuah kerana kata-nya apabila jadi boleh berchakap chuma wakil2 yang macham case Rahman Talib, jadi bukan mewakili daripada pehak Kera- panjang cherita. Kalau Surohanjaya jaan. Ini baharu sahaja berlaku dalam Bebas pendek cherita, ra`ayat boleh Dewan Negeri yang bersidang baharu2 tahu ha!. Saya sokong, dan Surohan- ini dalam Budget tahun ini juga. Tiap2 jaya Bebas yang paling utama yang wakil daripada pehak Kerajaan yang natut di-dirikan is-lah untok menyiasat bangkit hendak berchakap di-beri Kerajaan Kelantan hari ini (Ketawa). arahan supaya dudok jangan ber- Dato' Yang di-Pertua, dalam Odit chakap. Tiada siapa pun wakil ra`ayat Report tahun 1964, satu bab yang dalam Kelantan yang boleh berchakap. di-sebut oleh Auditor-General ...... Ini menunjokkan demokrasi mati di- Wan Mnstapha bin Hai Wan Ali: Kelantan, di-bawah Kerajaan PAS. Kalau tdak tersilao, di-bawah per- Kita tidak mahu Kerajaan Perseku atoran Meshuarat 35, sa-orang Ahli tuan yang bagini besar mematikan hendak-lah menghadkan perchakapan- demokrasi, kita mahu hidupkan de- nya kapada perkara2 yang di-binchang- mokrasi. Kita mahu beri kebebasan kan dan tidak bo'_eh mengeluarkan 1257 22 DECEMBER 1965 1258 apa2 perkara yang tidak berkait. Saya, mi jelas satu kesalahan mengikut pada pendapatan saya, perkara ini segi Perlembagaan Persekutuan. Dan tidak pun berkait dengan wakil ra`ayat ada beberapa bab dalam penyata di-Kelantan itu boleh berchakap Auditor-General itu berkata "Wang2 atau tidak boleh berchakap itu Kerajaan telah di-belanjakan dengan bukan menjadi bahathan, dan jika tidak mengikut atoran dan peratoran wakil ra`ayat ta' boleh berchakap itu Financial General Order". Yang mana barangkali Ahli Perikatan sendiri orang yang tidak menjadi pegawai barangkali tidak mengikut atoran Kerajaan telah membelanjakan wang Standing Order yang di-tahan oleh Kerajaan, dengan tidak mengikut Menteri Besar tidak di-benarkan peratoran Financial General Order ia- berchakap. itu pegawai yang bukan pegawai Kera- jaan membelanjakan wang Kerajaan. Nik Hassan: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Jadi ini, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, satu Ahli itu silap sadikit, saya suka kesalahan yang mana saya fikir terangkan ...... merugikan. ) President: Saya fikir Mr (Deputy Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: On di-bawah Supply Bill dia boleh ber- a point or order ...... chakap. Nik Hassan: Saya ta' beri jalan Nik Hassan: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, kerana saya takut ta' ada masa saya saya menyokong di-atas apa yang di- hendak berchakap. chakapkan oleh Pembangkang. Jadi sekarang sa-orang ahli Pembangkang Wan Mustapha: Dato' Yang di- berchakap dia hendak tahan saya Pertua, j ikalau sa-orang ahli bangkit berchakap pula dalam masaalah itu di-bawah point of order terpaksa dia juga, jadi tidak `adil-lah. Itu tidak ada dudok. demokrasi. Jadi chara tidak ada Mr (Deputy) President : Dia tidak demokrasi di-Kelantan, jangan bawa bagi jalan. ka-dalam Dewan Negara ini. Dato' : Saya minta di-sini Yang di-Pertua, says sokong...... Wan Mustapha pehak Pembangkang hendak berchakap Mr (Deputy) President : Yang Ber- on a point of order terpaksa dia kena hormat, tujuan dia jangan-lah dudok dan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mesti berchakap berbalek2 sa-mula, satu kali dengar apa dia the point of order itu. sahaj a sudah-lah. Nik Hassan: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Nik Hassan: Point yang kedua yang saya hendak sambongkan masa pendek saya suka hendak chakap is-lah mi. berkenaan dengan Surohanjaya Bebas. Wan Mustapha: Tentang ber- Saya kata mustahak Surohanjaya chakap on a point of order. Bebas ini di-tubohkan saya sokong bagaimana wakil tadi hendak tubohkan Nik Hassan: Jadi maksud saya itu Surohanjaya Bebas saya sokong. Surohanjaya Bebas itu is-lah supaya Kerana Surohanjaya Bebas yang dapat kita menyiasat apa yang sa-benar pertama patut kita dirikan di-Kelantan, berlaku di-sabalek pergunaan wang2 kerana saya suka hendak terangkan Kerajaan dengan chara tidak benar dan is-itu dalam Odit Report yang di- tidak mengikut peratoran ini, supaya nyatakan oleh Auditor-General sendiri tidak-lah Kerajaan Persekutuan ini bagi tahun 1964 kata-nya "Kerajaan menanggong segala kesusahan yang Kelantan telah menyalah gunakan memberikan grant kapada State. Saya wang Kerajaan Persekutuan, berjuta2 tidak nampak pada Perlembagaan kita. ringgit dengan mengambilkan wang hari mi. Pagi tadi saya chuba mem- itu dan di-masokkan dalam Bank belek2, menchari2kan di-bawah fasal untok faedah mengambil bunga dari- mana dalam Perlembagaan yang boleh pada Bank itu untok pergunaan Kerajaan Persekutuan mengambil Kerajaan Negeri-nya yang mana tindakan manakala satu2 negeri menya- menyalahi pada peratoran dan Per- lah-gunakan wang Kerajaan Perseku- lembagaan Persekutuan". tuan yang di-jalankan dalam negeri itu. 1259 22 DECEMBER 1965 1260

Jadi itu-lah sebab-nya pada saya tidak payah saya kemukakan banyak Perlembagaan negeri kita hari ini patut itu class-room lecture, macham Com- di-pinda supaya Kerajaan Pusat mem- monwealth History, berkenaan dengan punyai kuasa yang tertentu untok Commonwealth. mengambil apa2 tindakan di-atas mana2 Tetapi, bagi pendapat saya, saya Kerajaan yang menyalah-gunakan suka hendak kemukakan satu perkara. wang Kerajaan dengan tidak mengikut Dalam surat khabar Straits Times hari chara peratoran dan Perlembagaan. ini, ada keluar berkenaan dengan per- Dalam Perlembagaan kita hari ini binchangan di-House of Commons chuma di-adakan fasal2 untok mem- di-England berkenaan dengan Malay- berikan grant kapada Negeri sahaja, sia kita mi. Ada satu daripada Ahli umpama road grant dan berbagai2 Buroh, is-itu Ahli Parti Kerajaan ada grant. Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya road sebut di-sini, dia kata, ada baik-nya grant itu tidak di-gunakan untok Kerajaan British ini berunding ini membena jalan, untok membaiki jalan, berunding terus umpama-nya untok di-gunakan wang itu untok perkara menarek balek pertahanan di-Malaysia lain, umpama-nya, apa-kah tindakan ini, dan mengadakan satu pungutan yang Kerajaan Persek u tuan boleh suara yang baharu di-Borneo, di- ambil, Kerajaan Pusat boleh ambil? Sarawak dan Sabah. Ini satu orang Saya tengok dalam Perlembagaan itu daripada wakil Parti Buroh, is-itu tidak ada satu kuasa yang boleh Kera- Parti Kerajaan yang berchakap dalam jaan Pusat ini menahan wang itu di- perbinchangan mi. berikan kapada Kerajaan Negeri meng- Saya rasa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, ikut Perlembagaan yang ada ini . Jadi sampai-lah masa-nya bagi kita, Kera- ini-lah satu perkara yang besar, satu jaan Malaysia ini, memberi tahu perkara yang mustahak yang patut kita kapada Kerajaan British, Kerajaan tarekkan perhatian Kerajaan Pusat Inggeris ini, berhenti-lah daripada supaya mengambil tindakan yang champor-tangan dalam hal negeri kita. segera di-atas Kerajaan yang menya- Itu lebeh baik. Kalau mereka itu mahu lah-gunakan wang2 Kerajaan mi. champor-tangan j uga, lebeh baik kita Jadi, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, bagai- beri tahu, angkatkan semua apa yang mana Ahli Yang Berhormat mem- ada pada Kerajaan British dalam per- bangkang, itu berchakap chuma dia tahanan ini, keluarkan daripada negeri kata corruption itu supaya di-boat kita. Tidak payah kita gunakan Surohanjaya untok menyiasat corrup- pertahanan British lagi. Lebeh baik tion yang di-lakukan oleh orang. kita chari kawan yang lebeh baik, yang Tetapi kalau corruption itu di-lakukan lebeh hormat kapada kita, yang lebeh oleh satu Kerajaan, apa hal? Jadi ini jujor pada kita daripada Kerajaan lebeh besar daripada corruption yang British hari ini. Ini, kita berunding, di-lakukan oleh satu manusia. Jadi, kita berkira, semua British . champor- corruption yang di-lakukan oleh situ tangan. Dia-lah yang menjadikan satu Kerajaan lebeh besar daripada yang alat yang mengkhianati apa2 perkara di-lakukan oleh satu manusia. Jadi, yang berlaku di-Asia ini. Dia-lah yang ini lebeh besar patut di-ambil tinda- merosakkan, yang mengganggu, yang kan, di-ambil perhatian yang berat oleh mengkhianati perkara2 dasar luar kita, pehak Kerajaan Pusat. apa perhubongan kita ini dia-lah Buku lain, saya rasa tidak banyak merosakkan kita, yang memberikan apa yang di-kemukakan_ oleh Pemban- gambaran sa-olah2 kita ini maseh kang tadi, kerana semua-nya umum di-bawah penj aj ah lagi. sahaja. Dan banyak lecture2 macham Jadi, saya rasa patut-lah kita beri kelas lecture sahaja macham bagi tahu pada British, beri tahu-lah kapada lecture pada budak2 sekolah berkenaan Kerajaan Inggeris, supaya Kerajaan dengan Commonwealth History umpa- Inggeris beri tahu-lah pada anggota2 ma-nya, berkenaan dengan geography Kerajaan-nya yang Malaysia ini sudah umpama-nya, itu lecture sa-chara merdeka tidak dudok di-bawah Bri- macham class-room lecture-lah. Jadi, tish lagi. Kalau dia mahu sifatkan kita 1261 22 DECEMBER 1965 1 262 dudok di-bawah penjajahan dia lagi, jaan dan di-salorkan, dan di-galakkan kaiau dia fikirkan !wa ini anak jajahan supaya dapat di-satukan dengan lagi, iebeh baik keluarkan-lah apa yang modai2 anak negeri, terutama-nya aua, yang di-punyal o°eh kuasa2 per- bumiputera, supaya dapat-lah kiiang tahanan yang ada pada British itu, yang di-bena datam negeri ini bersama2 baik-lah angkat ka4uar daripada di-bena dengan modal mar dan juga Malaysia ini. Kita chari kawan yang modal bumiputera. lebeh baik, yang lebeh jujor dengan Keputusan ini telah di-buat dalam kita, yang lebeh suka menolong kita Kongres Ekonomi Bumiputera dan dengaan ikhlas. Ini-lah saya hendak telah ada di-situ, chuma terenti kapada minta dalam perkara hal luar negeri Kementerian sahaja untok meiaksana- ini satu-lah. Kerana kita sudah kan-nya. Jadi, pada saya, kalau kita Malaysia Sarawak dan Sabah ini hendak letakkan keperchayaan dan sudah jadi Malaysia. Perkara meng- segala harapan kapada MARA sahaja ambil suara itu tidak bangkit lagi. untok melaksanakan semangat kesemua Tidak payah di-bangkitkan dalam 69 keputusan yang ada dalam Kong- Dewan di-England, dalam mana pun, res Ekonomi Bumiputera itu, maka itu tidak payah di-bangkitkan lagi. Tid^k terlampau banyak sangat bebas yang jadi masaalah besar, tidak jadi lagi kita letakkan pada MARA itu. Jadi, masaa'ah apa yang di-binchangkan patut-lah Kementerian Perdagangan itu tidak jadi masaalah lagi. Itu ter- dan Perusahaan menguasakan sendiri diri pada kita. Kita tidak mahu negara adakan satu daya usaha-nya sendiri, lain menchabul hake kebebasan asasi menyatukan dewan2 yang ada dalam kita ra`ayat di-sini. Baik-lah Kera- Malaysia ini, kesemua Dewan-nya, jaan beri tahu chepat supaya jangan MARA-nya dan badan2 yang di-fikir- terlewat masa-nya. kan, macham M.I.D.F.L-nya, supaya Sa-lain daripada perkara dasar luar di-adakan satu jawatan-kuasa yang itu, saya chuba hendak tarek perhatian dapat menerima modal luar yang k apada Kementerian Perdagangan dan masok di-sini dan di-salorkan mengikut Perusahaan supaya memikirkan dalam pada tempat yang baik. Dengan kita beberapa perkara yang mustahak, ia- buat bagitu, modal yang dating dari- itu pada saya, satu perkara yang pada luar itu mempunyai j aminan- mustahak is-Iah supaya dapat kita jaminan keselamatan modal mereka tubohkan satu jawatan-kuasa bersama dan juga jaminan kemajuan dalam yang terdiri daripada Kementerian, perusahaan yang mereka bena itu._ daripada pehak MARA, daripada Ini, pada saya sate shot' kapada pehak Dewan2 Perniagaan yang ada Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusa- di-Malaysia ini supaya kita joinkan haan, dan saya minta juga Kementerian j ad ikan satu, adakan satu j awatan- ini supaya mengkaji 69 keputusan yang kuasa yang boleh mengawasi atau ada dalam Kongres Ekonomi Bumi- membuatkan perhubongan berkenaan putera itu, yang mana salah sa to dengan modal2 luar yang di-masokkan daripada keputusan yang saya ingat di-Malaysia ini, untok di-adakan lagi, is-itu Kerajaan hendak-lah mem- hubongan joint venture dengan bumi- ber pertolongan kapada Dewan2 putera yang ada dalam negeri mi. Perniagaan Bumiputera dengan ban- Sebab apa, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, tuan kewangan permulaan untok meng- banyak modal2 luar yang masok adakan pegawai yang menjadi setia- dengan tidak di-buat kawalan yang usaha yang boleh menjalankan Dewan tertentu. Ini, kadang2 modal luar itu Perniagaan Bumiputera itu sampai satu boleh melakukan sa-suatu perkara yang masa Dewan itu boleh bergerak sen boleh merosakkan ekonomi k ita. Jadi, ctrl. Jadi_ bant'Tan ini natut-fah di-kaii. daripada kita beri kebebasan yang Dan dalam Amruaran Perbelaniaan, terlampau kapada modal luar yang patut-lah ada supaya Dewan Bum i masok ka-sini, kita salorkan supava nutera yann ada di-seluroh Malaysia modal luar yang di-maco"kin di- ini dapat berdiri dengan kaki-nya ta.nah Melayu itu di-jamin o'eh Kera- sendiri pada satu masa nanti. 1263 22 DECEMBER 1965 1264

Hari ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Saya tidak hendak panjangkan Dewan2 Bumiputera ini tidak dapat kerana masa-nya sudah singkat jadi bergerak dengan lanchar dan dengan memada-lah dengan saya menutup kuat kerana mereka kekurangan wang, uchapan saya dengan satu point lagi mereka kekurangan kaki-tangan dan is-itu saya rasa ahli2 saudagar2, orang sa-bagai-nya. Jadi apa yang mereka kaya, dalam Malaysia ini belum harapkan is-lah pertolongan daripada chukup lagi memberi khidmat-nya Kerajaan kita untok membenakan kapada negara Malaysia mi. mereka mi. Barangkali Dewan Bumi- putera ini belum ada di-Sabah, belum Dato' Yang di-Pertua, apa yang kita ada di-Sarawak, belum ada di-bebe- dengar hari ini desakan hendak meng- rapa buah negeri dalam Malaysia adakan Universiti di-Pulau Pinang. sendiri. mi kerana kesusahan kewangan Mahu Kerajaan j uga benakan Univer- dan sa-bagai-nya. siti di-Pulau Pinang. Semua kita mahu Kerajaan bena. Itu Kerajaan mahu Jadi dalam 69 keputusan yang telah buat, ini Kerajaan buat. Bila Kerajaan di-terima oleh Kerajaan kita, oleh Tun kenakan chukai, kita marah kapada Abdul Razak sendiri, di-antara-nya Kerajaan, ini tidak `adil. salah satu keputusan itu is-lah Kera- jaan hendak-lah memberi bantuan Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya maseh kewangan supaya Dewan Bumiputera ingat lagi saudagar2 yang membena itu dapat berdiri di-atas kaki sendiri Nanyang University dengan belanja dalam satu ketika yang tertentu. Saya dan Wang ringgit mereka sendiri. minta-lah, Saya tarek perhatian Kera- Kerana kuat-nya kechenderongan jaan, supaya melaksanakan keputusan mereka dalam perkara pelajaran bagi mi. Saya minta supaya Kementerian anak2 mereka, mereka telah membena Perdagangan hendak-lah mengkaj i 69 Nanyang University di-Singapura. keputusan itu. Saya tidak mahu jadi Kenapa tidak boleh ahli bijak pandai, apa yang telah kita buat kapada orang hartawan, orang dermawan dan Surohanjaya Tender. segala foundation yang ada ini-tidak boleh-kah bena satu universiti lain Dato' Yang di-Pertua, satu ketika di-Pulau Pinang dengan belanja dari- dahulu satu perkara telah berbangkit pada harta kekayaan yang ada pada berkenaan dengan tidak puas hati-nya ra`ayat kita sendiri, daripada orang orang ramai di-atas tender2 Kerajaan yang ta`at setia kapada negara kita dan Kerajaan telah menubohkan satu sendiri, kenapa kita mahu harap Surohanjaya dan Surohanjaya Tender kapada Kerajaan? itu menyiasat dan telah memberi laporan yang penoh. Shore-nya is-lah Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak untok membaiki berkenaan dengan berjalan jauh tetapi banyak orang perjalanan tender Kerajaan. Tetapi berjalan jauh. Kalau kita pergi samoai hari ini belum-lah ada per- ka-Amerika, kita tengok berapa univer- baikan mengikut shor yang ada dalam siti yang di-bena dengan harta orang Surohanjaya Tender itu. Mengikut kaya. Sa-orang mati, dia beri semua Surohanjaya Tender itu, hendak-lah harta-nya kapada universiti bagi mem- di-adakan pertolongan kapada Bumi- bena pelajaran anak2 mereka. Kenapa putera dalam perkara kontrek, hendak- kita orang kaya di-sini mahu simpan lah ada perbaikan kapada susunan sahaja kekayaan itu, tidak mahu Jawatan-kuasa Tender dan sa-bagai- belanjakan untok perkhidmatan. Kalau nya. Dalam Surohanjaya Tender itu hendak derma chari derma yang Tun ada recommendation-nya, ada shor2- Razak sendiri terima derma itu. Kalau nya, tetapi Kementerian Perdagangan hendak derma nanti Tunku Abdul maseh belum melaksanakan shore yang Rahman sendiri yang terima derma itu. ada dalam Surohanjaya Tender itu. Hendak tunjok gambar dalam news- Jadi elok-lah Kementerian itu meng- paper, ini dia si-auyang kaya ini ambil kajian yang teliti berkenaan derma kapada Tunku Abdul Rahman dengan perkara mi. sendiri. Yang seko1ah robek hendak 1265 22 DECEMBER 1965 1266

runtoh itu tidak ada siapa mahu tanya own. I do not know the truth of this khabar. Ini perkara beriaku dalam ailegation, but this House may be negara kita hari mi. Saya fikir bagi assured that the Registrar of Trade orang kaya, orang berharta, orang yang Union has powers to refuse to register ada kekayaan , kalau dia mahu mati a trade union, which is not in the pun chepat2-lah dia derma (Ketawa) interest of the workers. A union kapada universiti yang kita chadang- sponsored by an employer would kan hendak di-bena di-Pulau Pinang definitely be repugnant to the principles ini. Chepatkan ! Sebab kalau tidak, enunciated by the I.L.O. and the free- lambat, susah . Sekian sahaja terima dom and independence of the trade kaseh. union movement, and the Registrar, I am sure, would bear this in mind. The Minister of Labour (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr President, Sir, Sir, the Honourable Dato' Haji I have a few replies to make here in Mohd. Noah suggested that wage and connection with my Ministry. The other inducements should be offered Honourable Dato' T. H. Tan mentioned for workers to move to Sabah. My the dispute between the University and Ministry has made certain suggestions the Non-Acadamic Staff. I know that to the Sabah Government in this regard this dispute is causing some concern and also to provide for other facilities to the students of the University, who to encourage the movement of workers will be sitting for their examinations to Sabah. I hope to finalise these sometime next month . As Honourable arrangements soon and that we would Members would appreciate, the em- be able to meet Sabah's needs for ployer in this case is the University labour as far as possible. Council and we are not in a position Sir, the Honourable Dato' Shelley to dictate terms. My officers have and the Honourable Enche' Samad too offered whatever assistance possible and touched on the question of shortage of some progress has been made in the labour in Sabah . Honourable Members negotiations, but certain issues still would have noted also in the press are still remain unresolved . My officers to-day the complaints of Sabah endeavouring to bring about an amic- employers that they are unable to get able settlement , but it appears that suitable type of workers from here. they have been experiencing some I think, Sir, that the time has come difficulties in obtaining the co-operation for some cold facts behind this recruit- of the negotiating team of the Univer- ment exercise to be stated. The sity Council which, I might point out difficulty at the moment is not as to this House, includes some leading stated by the Sabah employers the trade union officials. I am surprised at inavailability of skilled workmen to go the attitude of the negotiating team, to Sabah but rather, I get the and I hope that they would as far as impression that Sabah employers are services possible avail themselves of the only half-hearted about recruiting of my officers to bring about an early labour from here . They do not want settlement of this dispute. to break the established pattern of Sir, the Honourable Member Enche' recruitment of cheap labour from out- Saidon bin Kechut raised the problem side the States of Malaysia. Let me of union recognition in Securicor. As give you some of the figures. In March Honourable Members would know, an this year, a group of building contrac- agreement had been reached on the tors from Sandakan arrived here on a various issues which resulted in a strike. recruitment mission . A number of The procedure agreed to for settling workers were recruited, but it took the question of union recognition is more than 8 months before the arrange- now being implemented, and it is ments to transport these workers to hoped to finalise this question in the Sabah were finalised. Our reminders to next few days. The Honourable Mem- them, both by cable and by letter, to ber suggested that the employer in this expedite these arrangements apparently case was promoting a union of his went unheeded . It is not surprising, 1267 22 DECEMBER 1965 1268 therefore, that when these transport men t Exchanges throughout the States arrangements were finalised in Novem- of Malaya to fix a board in their ber, some of the workers recruited offices with the slogan, ``Go East became tired of waiting and withdraw Young men". I am thankful to the from their agreement to work in Honourable Dab' T. H. Tan for this Sabah. suggestion of his. Sir, 1 can assure this Sir, let me quote another example. House and the Sabah employers that, A group of representatives from Sabah if a genuine effort is made to obtain Association of Contractors arrived workers from here and such workers here in October this year on another are not forthcoming in sufficient num- recruitment mission. Over a hundred bers, I will not stand in their way of workers were interviewed, but even to obtaining the required number of this day we have not been told how workers from outside Malaysia. I am many of them have been selected and not prepared, however, to agree to the what their transport arrangements are recruitment of workers from outside to date. Here again our cables and Malaysia where employers from Sabah our letters, and the persuasion of the make no genuine effort as is obvious Commissioner of Labour, Sabah, do from the two examples that I have not seem to have succeeded in getting quoted earlier. Thank you, Sir. these people to make up their mind:. The Minister of Transport (Dato' I would not blame the workers inter- Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Tuan viewed, if they turn down any offer of Yang di-Pertua, saya chuma hendak employment at this stage. What is mengambil waktu yang singkat sahaja needed in this exercise is prompt menjelaskan terhadap uchapan Yang action, from those who come here to Berhormat Enche' Amaluddin ber- recruit labour, in determining who they kenaan dengan Tanjong Perak. Saya want to select and how they want to fikir semua orang suka hendak guna- send them across to Sabah. Sir, my kan Tanjong Perak ini, minta ma`af Ministry has always and will always Tun Perak. Yang sa-benar-nya saya offer all necessary assistance to sendiri telah memberi pengakuan nama expedite these arrangements. The group Tun Perak ini akan di-pertimbangkan of workers who went to Sabah in tetapi bukan saya mengaku telah November this year, probably, would terima yang pelabohan baharu di-Port not have gone even this month if my Swettenham apabila di-sudahkan di- officers had not taken the keenest namakan Tun Perak. Jadi saya tak interest in the matter. I appreciate that hendak di-tudoh memungkir janji there are a number of difficulties at walau pun saya telah rundingkan; the moment in recruiting workers from kerana seluroh dunia telah terkenal here for work in Sabah. These difficul- pelabohan yang ada sekarang ini Port ties can be overcome, and. measures are Swettenham dan pelabohan yang now being worked out in this regard, baharu sekarang ini is-lah sa-bahagian but more important than this is the daripada pelabohan Port Swettenham. necessity for employers in Sabah to Jadi kalau kita hendak mengenangkan desire whole heartedly to obtain nama yang baharu jadi dari segala per- workers from here and not still hang hubongan international kita akan rugi on to their old patterns of recruitment. dan daripada perdagangan dan forme The recruitment of workers from here yang sudah ada semua sa-kali ini for work in Sabah would go a long hendak di-pinda. Jadi oleh kerana itu way in solving Sabah's labour shortage daripada pehak2 yang berkenaan semua nroblem which is, I understand, causing sa-kali di-persetujukan supaya nama inflationary tendencies in their building yang lama itu di-pakai juga chuma in i industry. It would also help to ease sa-bahagian nama baharu dari nada our unemployment here to some extent. Port Swettenham. Sir, along with the measures that we are now taking to work out smoother Tentang kenala keretapi, di-tukarkan arrangements for migration of workers nama Tun Perak itu memang dengan to Sabah, I am instructing the Employ- persetujuan Pengurus Besar. Kepala2 1269 22 DECEMBER 1965 1270 keretapi ini ada nama2 pahlawan, negeri ini daripada Australia, Amerika, tetapi bukan fasal kepala keretapi itu Taiwan dan Republik Arab Bersatu: boleh di-bandingkan dengan pahla Evan, Dan tebu2 ini telah di-tanam di-tempat tetapi mengenang jasa2 baik. Dan saya perchubaan di-Serdang dan juga di- perchaya kepala keretapi ini : boleh tanam di-Bukit Temiang Agriculture menarek banyak juga gerabak, kalau Station di-Perlis untok menchuba sama pahlawan itu sa-orang handal melawan ada tebu2 ini sesuai bagi di-tanam beratus2 orang barangkali kepala di- awasan mi. keretapi itu sa-buah boleh menarek Ahli Yang Berhormat, Tuan Haji juga sampai 60, 70 gerabak juga. Ahmad, telah meminta supaya Kilang Saya fikir sesuai juga-lah menge- Kertas di-Kepala Batas itu di-dirikan. nangkan nama2 baik, jadi itu sahaja- dengan segera-nya. Perkara ini pehak lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya Kerajaan telah pun bersetuju yang minta-lah supaya di-jelaskan benda mi. Kilang Kertas itu di-dirikan oleh Saya tidak berjanji nama itu mesti-lah Sharikat Kerjasama Kilang Kertas dan nama Tun Perak tetapi saya berjanji pehak Kementerian Perdagangan dan menimbangkan. Dan kalau sudah Perusahaan telah di-minta supaya ber- di-timbangkan tidak sesuai jadi ikhtiar mengadakan possibility report terpaksa-lah kita gunakan nama Tun berkenaan dengan ranchangan ini dan Perak dengan nama keretapi, kepala perkara itu sedang di-uruskan oleh keretapi, terima kaseh. Kementerian itu dan manakala selesai perkara itu akan dapat di-laksanakan. Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Ker- Dengan sebab ranchangan membena jasama (Tuan Hai Mohd. Ghazali bin Kilang Kertas itu akan di-bantu oleh Hail Jawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kerajaan, maka terpaksa-lah peliak Ahli Yang Berhormat Enche' Abdul Kerajaan menjalankan penyiasatan-nya Rahman bin Ahmad telah menegor supaya is berpuas hati sa-belum dari- berkenaan dengan. Kilang Gula di-Pr.ai pada melancharkan ranchangan yang yang sa-mata2 bergantong kapada gala memakan belanja yang besar ini. yang di-bawa daripada luar negeri dan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah bertanya sama ada pehak Kerajaan memintaber supaya pehak Kerajaan mem rnempunyal ranchangan bagi mena- bantuan kapada Sharikat nam gu'a dengan chara besaran dan Kerjasama Bertam Estate untok di-mana-kah akan dapat beneh2 ata.u membeli atau pun menghabiskan pun anak2 pokok gula yang hendak pembayaran berkenaan dengan Bertam di-tanam. Estate ini. Perkara ini, saya perchaya, Satu penyata yang telah di-buat oleh Ahli itu sendiri sedia ma`alum pehak Australian Colombo Plan Sugar Cane Jabatan Sharikat Kerjasama dan juga Expert, telah pun di-serahkan kapada Kerajaan Negeri Pulau Pinang telah Kerajaan dan sekarang ini sedang di- pun menj alankan penyiasatan dengan dalam timbangan satu jawatan-kuasa teliti-nya berkenaan dengan ini dan pegawai2 yang terdiri daripada. pegawai satu ranchangan telah pun di-sediakan. Kementerian Pertanian dan Sharikat Anggaran Perbelanjaan telah pun di- Kerjasama, Pegawai Kementerian Per- buat dan perkara ini telah pun dagangan dan Perusahaan dan juga di-sampaikan kapada Perbendaharaan Pesurohjaya Tanah dan Lombong. untok timbangan Perbendaharaan. Manakala penyata ini di-semak dan Manakala Perbendaharaan membuat di-serahkan kapada Kerajaan, Kerajaan timbangan itu saya akan berhubong akan menimbangkan dan membuat terus dengan pehak yang berkuasa keputusan. Sharikat Kerjasama Bertam Estate. Berkenaan dengan pokok2 tebu yang Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada akan, di-tanam itu kelak, maka perkara Sabah, Dato' Pengiran Mohamed ini tidak-lah menjadi susah kerana sa- Digadong Galnam, telah meminta hingga hari ini pehak Jabatan, supaya pehak Kerajaan, khas-nya saya Pertanian telah , pun membawa masok sendiri; menchari jalan dan ikhtiar lebeh kurang 40, jenis tebn, ka-dalam bagaimana meninggikan taraf hidup 127 1 22 DECEMBER 1965 1272

ra`iyat petani2 dan juga nelayan2 yang ada di-sabelah Malaysia Barat ini sedia ada di-Sabah dan dengan itu meminta menerima penuntut2 yang ada di- supaya Sharikat2 Kerjasama di-Sabah Sabah-yang datang daripada Sabah. di-perbaiki; Saya suka-Iah menerang- Tetapi harus-lah di-ingat satu perkara kan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu yang besar is-itu pertan:an ini ia-lah saya sendiri dengan semua Ketua2 di-bawah kuasaKerajaan Negeri Jabatan di-bawah Kementerian saya Sabah, bukan di-bawah kuasa Kemen- telah pun mengadakan lawatan ka- terian saya. Chuma apa yang dapat Sarawak dan Sabah pada akhir tahun saya buat, memberi nas hat dan ada sudah dan di-dalam lawatan itu kala-nya nashat di-terima dan ada banyak-lah perkara yang kami dapat kala-nya tidak. pelajari, yang kami dapat runclingkan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah dengan pehak yang berkua sa Keraj aan meminta supaya ra`ayat di-Sabah di- Negeri Sabah dan pegawai2 Kerajaan lateh di-Maktab Pertan^an di-Serdang. yang ada di-Sabah. Hasil daripada itu Maka ini, pehak Kementerian saya berhubong dengan Sharikat Kerjasama, akan menjalankan ikhtiar menyelesai- saya sendiri telah pun mernrhantar sa- kan masaalah ini atau menolong orang pegawai yang di-sfatkan kanan dalam masaalah ini sa-kira-nya a.da dar dada. Jabatan Kemajuan Kerjasama ra`ayat daripada Sarawak atau pun ka-Sabah sa-bagai Pegawai Perhu- Sabah yang berkelayakan hendak bongan di-antara dari saya sendiri masok Maktab Pertan ian itu . Tamhah- dengan pegawai2 di-Sabah bai mem- an kapada itu dalam Ranchanan perbaaki keadaan Sharikat2 Kerjasama Malaysia Yang Pertama yang akan di-Sabah. datang in, beberapa buah Pusat2 Sa-bagaimana tuan2 atau pun Ahli2 Latehan J Sekolah2 Latehan akan d i- Dewan ini sedaa ma`aium is-itu ber- dirikan atau pun di-perkemaskan lagi kenaan dengan pegawai2 di-Sabah kita di-neeri Sabah dan itu akan drat t:dak dapat memenohkan tempat2 menolong ra`ayat yang ada di-Sabah. sa-kira-nya ada kosong sa-kali pun dengan pegawai2 yang ada di-Malaya Ahli Yang Berhormat, Enche' Lim atau pun di-sabelah Malaysia Barat Joo Kong, telah meminta supaya haraa dengan sebab ada-nya I. D . C. Renort padi ada-lah rendah is-itu ada kala- dan report itu dan report mi. Jadi nva di-jual $8.00 dan sunggoh pun dengan sebab itu apa yang dapat saya ha^-aa padi $16.00 sa-p'kul. Jadi di- buat is-lah menrhantar sa-orang dalaxn masaalah ini, pehak Kemen- peawai yang kanan, sa.-barai wakil terian dan juga pehak Kerajaan diri sava is-'tu sa-baGai Lason Officer memang sedan, ada nerkara2 yang dan beFau akan menjalankan siasatan, fdak di-'ng'ni berlaku berkenaan memberi nas'hat kapada pegawai yang dengan pemasaran path ini, sun^oh ada di-Sabah untok menjalankan pun haraa padi yang di-tetan- Pergerakan Sharikat Kerjasama di- k a n &eh Kerajaan sa-kuran g2-ny.a sana. $16.00 sa-pikul, di-terima d:-p'ntu k i lang, tetapi ada di-antara petani2 Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga kta, peladang2 k:ta, yang menjualkan meminta supaya beneh2 yang bask, padi2 mereka dengan haraa yang beneh padi, kelapa saw:t dan lane rendah is-itu $12.00 atau $13.00 dan di-bantu atau di-hantar ka-Sabah dan ada sa-tengah tempat, mithal-nya, di- Ahli itu juga meminta supaya latehan Kelantan $10.00 ada berbagai2 ber- di-beri kapada petani2 di-Sabah bagai- laku. Jadi dengan kesedaran ini pehak mana yang di-beri. Kerajaan telah pun menubohkan Lem- Berkenaan dengan beneh ini, pehak baga Pemasaran Hasil Pertan:an Per- Kementerian saya atau pun pehak sekutuan dan kta harap Lembaga ini Jabatan Pertanian di-Malaysia Barat, akan dapat menjalankan peranan-nya sent^asa ingn menolong ra`ayat2 yang untok mengadakan pemasaran2 yang ada di-Sabah sa-kira-nya mereka sesuai, tetapi dengan sebab Lembaga mustahak kapada beneh2 itu dan ini baharu sahaja di-tubohkan lebeh Maktab2 atau pun Sekolah2 kita yang kurang dua tiga bulan yang sudah, 1273 22 DECEMBER 1965 1274 j adi belum dapat berj alan dengan ter- not altogether unanimous-one Senator ator, belum dapat menyusunkan masa- has proposed that telephone rentals alah2 mi. Jadi dengan sebab itu should be levied on business telephones tidak-lah dapat pada masa ini kita alone, and another has suggested that memperbaiki keadaan ini melainkan both residential and business telephone kita berharapkan kapada orange yang rentals . be increased. So you see, Sir, membeli orang tengah dan sa-bagai- there is no unanimity even between nya, supaya bertimbang rasa dan sa Senators over the question of taxation. bagai-nya. Jadi walau macham mana The Minister of Finance has said in sa-kali pun pehak Kementerian saya his speech that criticisms must be ada-lah sentiasa berunding dengan constructive, they must yield the same Kementerian Perdagangan dan Per- amount of revenue and have the same usahaan kerana urusan membeli padi / impact on the economy in general. beras dan sa-bagai-nya ada-lah di- He also said that the criticisms and bawah Kementerian Perdagangan da.n taxations as a whole must be more Perusahan, bukan di-bawah Kementeri equitable than that presented by him. an _ saya, tetapi walau bagaimana pun Sir, in all the suggestions put forth saya sentiasa berunding dengan mereka so far, they have measured up to only untok memberi harga yang berpatutan two of the alternatives, i.e. the yield kapada petani2 dan peladang2 mi. is, I agree, equal and the taxation easy, Terima kaseh. if we increase the rental by $10 per month on business telephones alone. Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman: Taxation is easy, but in my opinion, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, fasal petani ini, Sir, is ` it equitable? That is the final satu pun tidak di-jawab. Itu sebab criterion. Sir, a big business house, saya katakan Menteri mesti ada di- a big business tycoon, might use the sini, dia terlupa. telephone more often than a small The Assistant Minister of Finance businessmen, therein the inequality exists. This is the first issue. The (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr President, Sir, as I look around me, I find that I am second issue, Sir, is made in the speech in the midst of Honourable Senators, of the Minister of Finance in which who are more or less of the age of he says that with this 10 cent levy on my father, or at worse my elder telephone calls, calls to neighbouring brother. Mr President, Sir, this is a areas say within a range of 16 miles very sobering thought seeing that I for which one pays 20 or 30 cents have come to this House to reply to per call, can now be made free of Members, whose wisdom and ex- trunk call charges. If Honourable perience, I am sure, far exceeds mine Members would only care to look up both in politics as well as in finance the Budget speech of the Honourable and commerce and industry. We have Minister, they will note that. These among us here business tycoons, are the two strong points. millionaires, bankers, and experts in Again, Sir, to quote the speech of various fields, so it is with deep the Honourable Minister of Works, humiliation and respect that I stand Posts and Telecommunications given up here to give my reply to the various in the Dewan Ra`ayat, there were only suggestions brought forth by Honour- 107,582 telephones on the 1st of able Members. January, 1965, and up to the 30th As far as the Ministry of Finance December, 1965, the number of is concerned, there are but a few telephones increased to 114,327. Sir, things to reply to. Foremost amongst out of population of 9.6 million, them that is most criticised is the levy to be exact, roughly 100,000 or more of telephone calls. Honourable Mem- make use of telephones. Surely, Sir, this bers had argued that we can obtain is an indication that only one per cent. as much money by increasing the or more of the population of the whole rentals on telephones. Even this of Malaysia make use of telephones. proposal of increase, I observe, Sir, is So, where does the question of 1275 22 DECEMBER 1965 1276 necessity come to being? Therefore, various Honourable Members here to Mr President, Sir, surely we are taxing come to see me, then I regret I cannot the "haves" and not taxing the "have- be of value to them. They are at nots". Those who can afford to use liberty to see the Minister of Finance telephones come only under the one directly. per cent. category. Mr President, Sir, A few Members from Penang have though we do not shout from the spoken on the Penang free port status. roof-tops that we are socialists, this Some Members from Penang have is practical socialism. complained in this House that they We will now come to the second want to retain the free port status of question, Sir, the question of the two Penang. They say that their ancestors per cent. turnover tax at source. A few have lived in the free port of Penang of the Senators referred again to the and they are living in the port of turnover tax, that is the tax at source. Penang, and they hope that their They say that it is difficult to imple- children, too, will live in the free port ment and that they would prefer of Penang. Mr President, Sir, I have taxation on the point of entry, or no knowledge whatsoever of any perhaps after paying Customs levy to Government move to deprive Penang pay the tax to the Income Tax Depart- of its free port. But, as stated by the ment-and they prefer in most cases Honourable Senator Dato' Shelley, a Customs levy. Mr President, Sir, I whether the free port of Penang will fear that they do not know what they be an asset, or a liability, depends on really want. During the I3udget things to come. You can still have proposals last year, when the turnover a free port with a Principal Customs tax was debated in this House it was area. Penang can retain its entrepot then a multi-stage tax the various trade and still join the Federation in Chambers of Commerce in Malaysia the common Customs union in other pleaded with the Minister of Finance words a common market and at the and asked for a tax at source. Now same time industrialise without being that we have given them a tax at discriminated against. I agree, Sir, that source, what then is the complaint? this is a complex problem. However, I have heard a few Senators saying the Government had given Penang an that they do not mind even if the tax assurance that they would send a team is a bit higher, but that it should be a of experts from the World Bank to Customs levy. But, Sir, they have never come and assess the economic asked for a Customs levy. They have problems of Penang and formulate, only asked, as far as I : can remember for the consideration of the Central and as far as I know, a tax at source Government and the State Government and this is, Sir, a tax at source. A few of Penang, a long-term economic Senators have said that with a Customs development plan for the whole Qf levy, payment would be made easy Penang Island. But, Penang must when goods are imported into this remember that it has a growing country. Mr President, Sir, drastic population and a growing unemploy- changes have been made to the turn- ment problem. Whether the free port over tax and it was converted according of Penang is enough to contain un- to the wishes of the various Chambers employment is in the purview of this of Commerce. If the implementation team of experts and I will not prejudice of the tax at source is bothering the the findings of this team of experts various Chambers of Commerce, I can from the World Bank. assure this House that I am always Some Members from Sarawak have available and I will always be at their asked for a 300/ rebate in taxation service, should they want to come to equivalent to a 30% rebate in the discuss the implementation of this new income tax. Mr President, Sir, I know tax with me. Sir, I know that I am that there is a saying "No taxation only the Assistant Minister of Finance, without representation" but I have yet but if it is below the dignity of the to hear of "No taxation without deve- 1277 22 DECEMBER 1965 1278 lopment". Even then, Sir, we were Council Agreement on tin control. never stingy with Sarawak. Although Mr President, Sir, the Government has we did not promise them any money considered this question very, very when they joined Malaysia and this carefully and has thought that joining is in the I.G.C. Report they have the Tin Council at this juncture, when asked for $300 million, despite the the demand exceeds supply for a con- fact that we have never said that we siderable time to come, is foolish and will give it to them. Yet, in the First foolhardy. This is the reason why we Malaysia Plan, we have given them have refused to join the I.T.C. How- over $400 million to be exact, $441.6 ever, according to today's papers, there million, Sir (Applause). This shows the is a move by the I.T.C. to come to generosity of the Central Government terms with Malaysia. Suffice it for me towards Sarawak. I do not see how to say, Sir, that the Cabinet is still the Sarawakians, or Sabahans for that considering the matter, and before it matter, who got also $300 million from decides on it, I am not in a position us, should haggle over this small bit to confirm whether there will be a of taxation. change of attitude. Some Members have also brought In conclusion, Sir, I would like to up the question of taxation of spirits say that the Supply Bill together with whisky, gin and brandy. They say that the Budget speech presented by the the Honourable Minister of Finance, Minister of Finance both in the Dewan in the Lower House, has said that a Ra`ayat and the Dewan Negara has second wife is a pleasure -I agree with been a momentous one, and I can say him that a second wife is a pleasure without fear or favour that this Budget and they also say that whisky, gin and is one the like of which we will never brandy are luxuries and pleasures. see again. I have thought, Sir, that the Incidentally, Mr President, Sir, I have Senate would be full of praise for this only one wife (Laughter). Honourable "Painless Budget" as presented by members may not be aware that out many newspapers but, instead, a few of a bottle of brandy costing roughly Members should pick on certain small $20, approximately $12 goes to taxa- issues to criticise the Government. Be tion, and so you see that luxuries, that as it may, Mr President, Sir, I where alcohol is concerned are already commend to this House, what the late taxed and we have come to a point President of the United States of where the law of diminishing returns America, John F. Kennedy said and in applies. In other words, if we increase his inaugural speech and I quote. the taxation on liquor, it does not "Think not what the country can do necessarily mean that you would get for you but what you can do for your a higher yield, because it becomes so country". Sir, at this stage, when we expensive to drink brandy, whisky, or are facing a foe ten times our size, gin, that people will resort to illicit we should think not in terms of our- samsu. selves but in terms of helping and Some Members spoke about tax finding various ways and means to evasion and tax avoidance. This all raise money to help the nation. Thank boils down, Mr President, Sir, to tax you Sir. (Applause). evasion. The Government is planning The Minister of Local Government a full-scale war, as we have read in and Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh): the newspapers, against tax evasion, Mr President, Sir, I wish to reply to and we are recruiting expert officers, two points raised by the Honourable both locally and overseas, so as to Senator Enche' Chan Keong lion in revent persons in this very lucrative connection with my Ministry. business from making a living. This I First, he asked whether low-cost can assure the House. fiats are being allocated to occupants Now, I come to tin. Certain Mem- squatters' huts and whether we should bers ` have castigated the Government confine to this and not extend the for not signing the International Tin allocation to the owners. This is, in 1279 22 DECEMBER 1965 1 280 fact, done in practice. Sir, it is also a coming into operation of the National condition that the squatters' huts are Land Code on the 1st January next demolished after the tenant occupiers year. I mentioned that under the Land have moved into the flats or the low- Code there are provisions to control cost houses. sub-division of land. As from 1st January, 1966, gone will be the days The next point raised by the when landowners can indiscriminately, Honourable Senator is that many without the approval of the Govern- private developers want to build low- ment, sub-divide or fragment their land. cost flats and houses, but many have Therefore, I think this is good news found it dflicult in evicting squatters for the Honourable Senator. on their land and that the Government should help and give whatever ass's- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ah'i Yang tance to these developers. The Berhormat Senator Datu Pengiran clearance of squatters is strictly a Mohamed Digadong Ga:pam telah matter for the land-owners. Never- meminta supaya saya pergi ka-Sabah theless, because of the serious souafter untok menasehatkan Keraj aan Negeri problems and slum clearance problems, di-sana berkenaan dengan pentadbiran particularly in urban areas, such as tanah dan juga untok melichinkan the Mun:cinal:ty of Kuala Lumpur, I kerja dalam Jabatan Tanah di-sana. have, in fact, a few months ago, Kita memang-lah bertujuan hendak appointed a special Committee to study hekerjasama dengan tiap2 Kerajaan the whole question of squatters Negeri dalam Malaysia ini, dalam clearance and slum clearance. One of masaalah pentadbiran negeri, bukan the points that I have asked the sahaja masaalah tanah, bahkan maca- Committee to look into is the question alah2 yang lain. Saya berharao akan of clearance of sauatters not only on Banat melawat Sabah , bo'eh jadi dalam Government land but also on private bulan dua atau pun bulan tiga tahun land, and I have also asked the yang akan datang. Committee to look into and to submit Yang Berhormat Senator Nik Hassan recommendations to me as to whether ada menyentoh sadikit mengenai it is possible to come to some sort of Foreign Affairs atau Hal-Ehwal Luar arrangements, whereby private owners Negeri. AhIi Yang Berhormat itu teiah will surrender a part of their land membacha satu report dalam Straits filled with souatters to the Govern- Times hari ini, mengenai perbahathan ment, so that low-coot housing, dalam House of Commons di-England. ^^art'cularly malt storev flats, can be Saya suka menerangkan di-sini , ia.-itu built on such land and the nonort'on fah am yang di-keluarkan &eh sa-orang of land to be surrendered will be such Ahli Pafimen dalam House of Com- as to be sufhc'ent for the removal of mons itu, bukan-lah merupakan faham those swatters from any particular Kerajaan British, yang nampak dengan piece of land. Therefore, Sir, this nyata-nya, daripada akhbar ini is-Iah matter is being looked into, and the fgham sa-orang bac-hencher Parti Government is not only look'n into Buroh di the auest'on of the removal of -sana. Benar-lah sanerti yang squatters in Government land but also telah di-report dalam surat khabar ini, in private land. da meminta supaya kerajaan British memberi tawaran kanada Indonesia The Minister of Land 3 and Mines dabu'u, ya`ani percedi^an Keraiaan (Enche' Abdo`-Rahman bin Ya`kub): Brltivh hendak men^rek ba'ek tentera2 Mr President, Sir, may I ren'y to a few mereka darlracla Borneo, dan juga obvervations raised by Honourable bo'eh jack berjanii suoava nerasaan Senators. First, the Honourable atau nun kemahuan ra`ayat di-Sarawak Senator Dorai Raj, I think, urged the dqn di-Sabah itll men enal kema'okan Government this afternoon to intro- Ma'av^ia di-ii s^-multi. Ini ada-1' h duce legislation to prevent fragmenta- merupakan faharu n sa-oran wakil tion of land. This morning I gave a blasa sanerti iiwa fah'n'u n Ahli2 Se- press conference in connection with the nator yang bukan Menteri dalam 1281 22 DECEMBER 1965 1282

Dewan ini atau pun Ahli2 Yang Ber- visited all the Middle East countries, hormat yang bukan Menteri dalam some Asian countries, and also some Dewan Ra`ayat. Jadi pendirian kita African countries, and, I found we terang . Walau pun Kerajaan British received overwhelming support from bersetuju supaya di-adakan petekan sa- the African and the Middle-East mula suara di-Sarawak dan di-Sabah countries for our participation in mengenai kemasokan Sarawak dun the Algiers Conference, but their Sabah ka-dalam Malaysia, Kerajaan approach this is quite understand- Malaysia tidak sa-mesti-nya mengikut able-was "Let us not talk about it, keputusan itu, kerana kita ada-lah sa- but if the question of voting comes, buah negara yang merdeka dan ber- then we will come out in support of daulat. Pendirian kita dalam masaalah Malaysia." Egypt, for example, came ini telah tegas, is-itu Sarawak dan out openly in support of our participa- Sabah, sa-bagaimana yang telah di- tion in the Algiers Conference. tentukan oleh Bangsa2 Bersatu, telah The Honourable Senator Dato' Haji pun memileh Malaysia kemasokan Mohamed Noah said that he thought Malaysia sa-bagai chara yang lebeh it would be prudent to invite private baik sa-kali bagi mereka menchapaikan capital investment to develop virgin kemerdekaan. Jadi, kita tidak akan land. I would like to inform this berganjak daripada pendirian kita, ia- Dewan, Mr President, Sir, that several itu tidak-lah boleh kemerdekaan months ago the National Land Coun- Malaysia itu menjadi perbinchangan cil has relaxed its former decision untok berunding dalam masaalah regarding alienation of land to people konfrantasi. of Malaya. Before this decision in Mr President, Sir, the Honourable question, land could only be alienated Dato' T. H. Tan raised a number of to landless people. Now, we have questions, some of them concerning relaxed that to the extent that now trade with communist countries. Our State Governments can allow com- stand in this connection is clear; we panies to develop estates, and we have will only do so, if it will not prejudice heard reports in the newspapers that our national interest, and that has there have been applications and, in always been our stand. If the proposal fact, certain State Governments have is considered to be prejudicial to the already granted large areas of land for interest of Malaysia, then we will not developments as estates, either as sugar have any trade or business with any plantations, as happened in Johore, country in the free world, let alone a or as oil palm industry. communist country. Yang Berhormat Senator Saidon bin I agree with the Honourable Senator Kechut ada menyentoh masaalah Dato' T. H. Tan that the money voted bahasa kebangsaan. Ahli Yang Ber- for foreign affairs is not enough. hormat itu berkata ada-kah bahasa Frequently we receive requests from kebangsaan ini akan di-lebor untok overseas missions to get more money menegakkan bahasa Inggeris. Yang but, Mr President, Sir, as in any other Berhormat itu sendiri, agak-nya dapat provisions in the Estimates, it is really menjawab soalan ini tentu sa-kali. a question of priority. We have limited Sa-bagaimana yang telah tertulis dalam resources; we have got to do the best Perlembagaan, bahasa Melayu men- with whatever money we have in the jadi bahasa kebangsaan dan akan kitty. menjadi bahasa rasmi yang tunggal I do not agree with him on the dalam negeri kita mi. Dan jika Per- question of the attitude of the African lembagaan kata bagitu, maka tidak- nations concerning our admission to lah timbul hujjah Ahli Yang Berhormat the Algiers Conference. He said that itu, is-itu kita akan meleborkan bahasa their attitude was rather lukewarm kebangsaan untok menegakkan bahasa support for our admission. That is not Inggeris. so, Mr President, Sir. I, myself, just Tetapi, apa yang kita mesti ingat, before the Conference was to be held, bahasa Inggeris is-lah satu bahasa 1283 22 DECEMBER_ 1965 1284

international yang boleh di-mengerti burok, barangkali ada satu dua buah, di-beberapa tempat di-dunia, dan kita pun tidak tahu, tetapi sentiasa kita ' dalam beberapa tahun yang akan perbaiki jika kita nampak alat2 itu datang lagi agak-nya berpuloh tahun, burok atau pun kereta2 itu burok kita kita mesti mempelajari bahasa ini, chuba perbaiki. Ahli Yang Berhormat kerana pelajaran dalam sains dan lain2 itu telah menudoh Kementerian ini lagi menghendaki kita mengetahui telah tidak menj alankan tugas-nya bahasa Inggeris. Dalam International dengan chekap dalam masaalah mem- Forum j uga, kita menghendaki bahasa2 ber penerangan2 kapada orange di-luar Inggeris atau pun bahasa Pranchis. bandar dan oleh sebab itu-lah kita Oleh sebab kita di-sini dahulu di- telah tewas dalam pilehan raya kechil perentah oleh orang Inggeris, maka negeri di-Rahang. kita telah mempelajari bahasa Inggeris daripada bahasa Pranchis. Masaalah belanj a perbicharaan Yang Berhormat Enche' Abdul Rahman Sa-lain daripada itu, Yang Ber- Talib dan masaalah penchen bagi hormat Senator Saidon juga telah Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana menyentoh dasar luar negeri kita. Menteri telah, menurut Ahli Yang Sa-benar-nya Yang Berhormat itu telah Berhormat itu, tidak di-beri penerangan membacha daripada Mingguan Malay- yang j elas kapada pendudok2 di-dalam sia dalam beberapa masaalah masa- negeri mi. Saya tidak bersetuju dengan alah putus hubongan diplomatic kita pendapat Yang Berhormat itu oleh dengan Pakistan, masaalah tarian kerana talivishen kita, radio kita, telah Israel dalam Talivishen, masaalah memberi penerangan yang jelas. Ada barang2 Israel dalam market kita, sa-gulongan manusia yang dudok di- masaalah Konsul Formosa dan lain2, dalam Malaya ini yang sengaja tidak ada-lah fahaman itu fahaman daripada mahu mendengar penerangan kita. Mingguan Malaysia. Dan dia pun Kapada mereka itu apa yang hendak telah menerangkan dalam Dewan ini, kita buat walau pun kita korek telinga apa yang dia kata itu is-lah berdasar- mereka itu sampai tahi telinga keluar kan daripada keterangan2 di-dalam berbuku2 mereka tidak mahu dengar, Mingguan Malaysia. Pendirian Kera- mereka tutup telinga langsong. Jadi j aan kita mengenai pelawat2 yang suka kita tidak boleh buat apa2 pun kapada hendak melawat Israel nyata sunggoh mereka itu. kapada dunia kita tidak mempunyai Mr President, Sir, the Honourable perhubongan diplomatic dengan Israel. Senator Dato' G. Shelley wanted a Kita tidak menggalakkan, memberi more definite assurance to be given by kemudahan kapada orange kita hendak pergi ka-Israel. Kita telah berkali2 the Government regarding the estab- lishment of a University College at menyatakan simpati kita, sokongan kita, terhadap kemahuan atau pun Penang, I think another Honourable aspiration orange Arab yang mem- Senator also raised the same question. punyai tanah dan mempunyai hak di- In reply, on behalf of the Minister of dalam Israel. Education, I would like to say that the Ministry regrets that it is not able as Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telah yet to give a more categorical answer menyentoh alat2 dan kereta2 burok than the one already given in regard yang di-gunakan dalam Kementerian to the establishment of a University Penerangan. Boleh jadi perkara ini College at Penang. The establishment berlaku. Kereta saya pun, Tuan Yang of such a University College. or for di-Pertua, terpaksa di-hantar ka-garage that matter any institution of higher satu bukan lebeh kurang dua tiga kali learning, depends on the manpower sunggoh pun kereta itu tidak burok need of the country which in turn will dan harga-nya selalu di-bangkitkan determine the courses of studies, dis- oleh Dr Tan Chee Khoon di-Dewan cipline, etc., to be provided at such Ra`ayat lebeh kurang $13,000. Saya rasa institution. Honourable Members, how- bukan-lah semua kereta yang di-guna- ever, can rest assured that it is the kan oleh Kementerian Penerangan itu belief of the Minister of Education, or 1285 22 DECEMBER 1965 1286 rather the Government, that higher Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: On a point education will have to be substantially of clarification the details have been expanded, in order to meet the need passed over. for professional manpower in all its development projects. On this basis the Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Ministry's Higher Education Planning Thank you, Sir. Committee is giving the Penang University College project every con- Saya berbatek lagi kapada Yang sideration. Berhormat Datu Pengiran Mohamed Yang Berhormat Senator Enche' Digadong Galpam. Yang Berhormat Abdul Samad bin Osman telah mem- itu meminta supaya banyak lagi Police2 bangkitkan masaalah Form VI, kelas Station dan juga tempat2 tinggal bagi Sains, patut di-adakan di-Sungai Petani. polis2 di-buat di-Sabah. Bagi men- Bagi menjawab-nya,, saya suka-lah jawab-nya saya suka menerangkan menerangkan is-itu permohonan ini Police2 Station itu ada-lah kita buatkan kita ambil ingatan tetapi pada ketika di-mana2 tempat sahaja yang di- ini kita dukachita-lah sangat bahawa kehendaki dengan sharat kita ada kita tidak dapat, di-peringkat ini, untok chukup wang untok membuat-nya. mengadakan Form VI itu saperti yang Dengan hal yang demikian di-bawah di-kehendaki oleh Yang Berhormat itu proj ek Malaysia Yang Pertama kita oleh kerana beberapa sebab, satu dari- boleh-lah memberi jaminan kapada pada-nya is-lah masaalah guru dan Yang Berhormat itu is-itu di-mana2 lain2 lagi. Kita dalam keadaan yang tempat yang di-fikirkan Kerajaan patut ada menghendaki untok menyatukan di-adakan police station di-Sabah, kita atau menempatkan di-satu tempat akan mengadakan police station. Kita sekolah2 yang tinggi saperti ini sedar bahawa tempat2 kediaman bagi di-tempat yang tersebut itu kita polis2 rank and file ada-lah kurang memusatkan di-Alor Star supaya kita di-sana dan Kerajaan pun sedang berjimat chermat dalam masaalah guru mengambil tindakan pada masa ini dan masaalah pegawai2 yang lain dan untok mendirikan beberapa buah juga dalam masaalah perbelanjaan. quarters atau pun rumah tumpangan The Honourable Senator Dato' di-Sabah bagi polis2 itu. Jikalau polis2 J. E. S. Crawford raised the question tidak mendapat rumah atau pun of the maintenance, or the unkeeping, quarters, maka dia akan di-beri oleh of school buildings, and also teachers' Kerajaan elaun rumah dan dengan quarters. In reply, I would like to say chara itu dapat-lah dia menchari that the Ministry's Maintenance Vote tempat kediaman yang lain. Sabah for School Buildings and Teachers' saperti juga di-Sarawak, dalam masa- Quarters including those that belong alah police station ini memang-lah to estate management is of course not tidak memberi puas hati kita kerana inexhaustible. Failure of the Ministry ketika British dahulu polis itu sangat in the past to respond favourably to kechil dan masaalah perkembangan some requests from some of the estate memang tidak ada sangat di-jalankan managements has been due to shortage oleh Kerajaan ketika itu bertambah of funds and also the need to spend Pula masaalah ketika itu tidak bagitu the limited financial provision available besar saperti masa ini-dengan tidak on more urgent maintenance projects ada confrontation dan kominis-nya, elsewhere in other parts of the country. tidak bagitu giat saperti masa ini di- The Honourable Senator Dato' Sarawak. Jadi sekarang oleh sebab Crawford also offered to supply the banyak perkara masaalah security yang details if the Ministry wants them. I timbul, maka kita menghendaki mem- have been asked to say that the besarkan lagi polis2 ini di-dalam masa Ministry would very much appreciate dua tahun yang lepas masa untok it, if the details that the Honourable perkembangan itu sangat singkat Dato' Crawford is prepared to give tetapi bagaimana pun dalam Ran- could be given to the Ministry. changan Malaysia Yang Pertama kita 1287 22 DECEMBER 1965 1288

akan mengerjakan-nya dengan sa- maka sekolah2 hares-lah menambah berapa boleh untok menunaikan kewa- kemudahan2 asas itu. Berkenaan jipan2 kita terhadap negara2 itu. dengan Form VI pula, murid2 Kepala Batas harus-lah pergi ka-Pulau Pinang, Yang Berhormat Senator Amaluddin kerana di-sebabkan kekurangan kemu- bin Darus telah menerangkan kapada dahan terutama guru2 berijazah maka Dewan ini is-itu dia tidak dengan darjah2 demikian terpaksa di-putuskan. bahawa ada prosecution dalam mah- Bagaimana pun pehak Kementerian kamah yang timbul daripada penyiasatan2 yang di-jalankan oleh mengambil perhatian atas apa yang Director, Anti-Corruption Agency. di-cheritakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhor- mat itu. Boleh j adi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak membacha sangat akhbar2. Jika Yang Berhormat itu juga menerang- kita bacha kita selalu dapat di-dalam kan is-itu tidak ada tempat belajar mahkamah ada perbicharaan mengenai ugama sunggoh pun guru2 ugama di- korapsi. Banyak daripada kes2 itu ada- beri kapada polis. Pada menjawab-nya lah timbul daripada penyiasatan oleh penjelasan yang akan saya beri is-lah Anti-Corruption Agency mi. Yang pada tiap2 satu contingent sa-orang Berhormat Senator itu juga berkata guru ugama ada-lah di-khaskan bagi bahawa pentadbiran di-dalam Jabatan mengurus segala hal ugama serta juga tersebut tadi tidak memuaskan hati mengaj ar dasar2 ugama Islam kapada oleh sebab ketua-nya selalu bertukar. anggota2 pasokan polis yang berugama mi tidak-lah betul. Semenjak Agency Islam; biasa-nya pelaj aran ugama itu itu di-tubohkan chuma ada dua ketua ada-lah di-jalankan di-surau2 yang di- sahaj a . Yang pertama sa-kali i a -la h bena khas dalam tiap2 contingent Tuan Syed Abdul Rahman yang pasokan polls. Alat2 keperluan bagi bekerj a sa-bagai Director-nya sa-lama pelajaran ugama di-jalankan mema.ng- 3 tahun dan kemudian dalam bulan lah ada tetapi tentu-lah tidak sa-bagai- Mei tahun 1963 telah di-ganti oleh mana yang terdapat di-Sekolah2 bawah Director yang ada pada masa ini is-itu arahan Kementerian Pelajaran. Tuan Syed Agil Barakbah. Jika sa- Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga mene- benar-nya berlaku Director2 itu selalu rangkan is-itu di-Pulau Pinang ada sangat berganti tiap2 tahun atau tiap2 polis2 tidak mempunyai rumah dan 6 bulan, itu betul-lah akan merosakkan mereka ini terpaksa menyewa rumah. pentadbiran Agency itu. Tetapi yang Penjelasan yang saya beri is-lah bagi- sa-benar-nya perkara bagitu tidak ada ni : sa-bagimana yang telah di-katakan berlaku. oleh Menteri yang berkenaan, ya`ani Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, Yang Berhormat Senator Tuan Haji pemberian rumah bagi pegawai2 rendah Ahmad (Pulau Pinang) telah melapor- dalam pasokan polis ada-lah di-beri kan is-itu alat2 pelajaran di-kawasan Kepala Batas, Seberang Perai, serba keutamaan dalam ranchangan pem- bangunan polls. Ahli2 Yang Berhormat kekurangan. Guru2 tidak menchukupi di-Sekolah terutama sa-kali guru2 tentu lebeh ma`alum bahawa kita tidak rains. Tambahan pula alat2 meng- dapat membena semua rumah atau quarters yang di-perlukan dengan sa- ajar sains kurang dan lain2 lagi. kali gus. Di-bawah Ranchangan Pem- Bagi menjawab-nya saya suka mene- rangkan kekurangan2 yang di-kemuka- bangunan Malaysia Yang Pertama kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu berikut ada-lah ranchangan2 bangunan memang di-akui dan ini berlaku di- bagi pegawai rendah dalam pasokan seluroh negara kita hasil daripada polls yang akan di-jalankan di-Pulau Pinang : perkembangan pesat pelajaran yang Di-Petani Road, 16 kelas G; di-Gelugor, di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan Perikatan. 16 kelas G; di-Jelutong, 1 kelas F, 10 Apa yang dapat Kementerian menga- kelas G; di-Telok Bahang, 1 kelas F, 9 dakan sa-chara permulaan is-lah kelas G; Dato' Keramat, 1 kelas E Flat, kemudahan2 asas dan dengan menggu- 1 kelas F, 65 kelas G; di-Butterworth pula, phase yang pertama 16 kelas G quarters, nakan per capita grant termasok bagi phase yang kedua 2 kelas C quarters, science teaching grant dan sa-bagai-nya 4 kelas E, 3 kelas F, 70 kelas G; 1 berek 1289 22 DECEMBER 1965 1290 bagi mereka yang tidak mempunyai isteri any member of the P.M.I.P. seriously, atau pun bachelor quarters ; dan lain2 lagi They do not mean that this challenge yang akan di-jalankan oleh Kementerian mi. should be taken seriously by us. To give an example, the P.M.I.P. Member, Yang Berhormat Senator Enche' Yang Berhormat dari Bachok stood Abdul Rahman Ahmad menerangkan up in the Dewan Ra`ayat and chal- is-itu kad yang di-gunakan di-lapangan lenged an Alliance Member saying, terbang kita menggunakan letter head "Well, let us go to the party to-night Kerajaan Negeri Slngapura . Sa-benar- and see who can perform the nya perkara ini telah di-bangkitkan di- chajtggong better, either you or I can?" Dewan Ra`ayat dan dalam Estimate So, the Honourable Member accepted bagi Kementerian Hal Ehwal Daam his challenge. We attended the party, Negeri, kita telah menerangkan dengan and he was sitting at the same table jelas-nya is-itu kad yang mempunyai as I was, together with a few others : crest Malaysia akan di-keluarkan untok after the music started, the Honour- di-gunakan di-lapangan terbang itu. able Member from Bachok was invited, The Honourable Senator Athi Nahap- "Come let us do the chanugong". Do pan argued that our education system you know what he did? He just hid should have a bias on science rather himself underneath the table just like, than arts. He also said that emphasis as I have said in the Dewan Ra`ayat, should be laid more on applied science a "kuchinc kurap". So, that is a clear rather that on fundamental research. example that we cannot actually take The Honourable Minister concerned, the challenge of the Honourable ]Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari, has Member very seriously. In any case, already mentioned that it is the his challenge shows, perhaps, his Government's policy to encourage more ignorance of the Constitution, which and more students to study science says that you need only go to the subjects. The value of studying science Federal Court for interpretation of a need not be explained here -everybody Statute in connection with constitu- knows that we want more engineers, tional matters. This is an ordinary we want more doctors, we want more interpretation of the MARA Bill. architects, and so forth . So, we will do One does not have to go to the Federal our best. Of course, it is left very Court, one can go to the ordinary much to the students themselves as Hich Court; and in any event the to whether or not they are inclined Court will not interpret a hypothetical towards the science stream or to the case unfiil a case comes up; until an arts stream. If a student prefers to offence is alleged to have been com- study in the arts stream, we cannot mitted and a person is prosecuted force him to change to the science before the Court, you cannot get any stream ; but it is our intention to court to interpret that law. encourage more and more students to go to the _science stream. Wan Mustapha: (Rises) Mr President, Sir, I have purposely Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: left right to this very end my reply to All right, I will allow you. the observations by the Honourable Wan Mustapha: The Honourable Senator Wan Mustapha. I understand Minister knows very well that you can that in the course of the debate on the take anything to the, High Court for Supply Bill, he again raised the ques- a declaration. There is no need to tion of the MARA Bill. He chal'enged wait until such time when something me to take the matter to the Federal has happened or an offence has been Court and not to ask the Govern- committed. I think the Minister ...... ment to do so. In fact, he was speaking very irrelevantly. We have already Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: concluded the MARA Bill a few I think he is ignorant of the law of days ago, if I am not mistaken. Be declaration. that as it may, Mr President, Sir, we Wan Mustapha: I think the Minister cannot really take any challenge by is wrong. 1291 22 DECEMBER 1965 1292

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: want to bet. But when it does not suit Do you still want to speak? I will him for example, I am sure, he loves give you a chance. to have a peg of brandy, if I offer Wan Mustapha : You are wrong in it then he will not quote Islamic referring to what has happened to the law. Member of the P.M.I.P. in the Dewan He raises many questions in connec- Ra`ayat about this dancing business tion with the Police, Mr President, Sir. and going under the table. I mean that Of course, I agree with him that it is he is not Wan Mustapha. This is Wan not the duty of the Police to decide Mustapha. (Laughter). the guilt or innocence of an accused Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: person, and that it is the duty of the Does he not belong to the P.M.I.P.? Police to investigate into any complaint I should have thought that Members that may come before the Police, but of the P.M.I.P. always stick together the Police must be given a certain and follow one policy. Now, it would amount of discretion as to whether or appear that there is one policy in the not the case should go to the court Dewan Ra`ayat and one policy in the this has been very frequently remarked Dewan Negara. No wonder, they do by judges. A few months ago, Mr not get any support from any other Justice Ong in Penang said that the State in Malaysia. Police should not bring any case to the court, unless they have got some Enche' Wan Mustapha : On a point reliable facts. Now, here is an Honour- of clarification. We are not talking able Member, who says that on every about P.M.I.P. Party. We are talking report the Police must take action and on personality, and you cannot just go to court. Well, that is not the generalise. Probably, you have not practice ... studied logic. Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Wan Mustapha: Mr President, Sir, Mr President, Sir, there is such a thing what I was saying was that the Police as a party system in our country. I am would not accept the report. They glad to hear the explanation by the would not write down the report. I Honourable Member. He does not never said that the Police should take follow the P.M.I.P. policy. Be that as action on the report and go to court: it may, as I have said just now, he A person went to the Police station to is very wrong on the question of lodge a report, a genuine one in the declaration. A court will never give a case where a man lost his wife he i$ declaration on any hypothetical case. from Kelantan and he did not know I will give him $10,000 if he can get a where his wife had been taken to but declaration from any court in Malaysia the Police said; "Tidak boleh bust here to interpret Clause 33 of the apa." MARA Bill. Of course, he will stand Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: up and say, "Oh, no. We cannot bet", Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masa telah because he is a Muslim, but he was the lewat, dengan ini kita berhenti-lah. one who threw a challenge. He said, "I Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: bet a cent. I am right, and he is If he would quote a concrete example wrong." I accepted. I^ bet him $100 and if he were to write to the Minister and he said he is a Muslim and there- concerned, we would take action in fore he cannot bet. (Applause). that connection. As a learned member Mr (Deputy) President: Mr Minister, of the Bar, he should know the atten- this is not a betting house (Laughter). tion of the Attorney General who, Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: under the Constitution, is vested with Very good, Sir. This is the thing that powers to. order the. Police to carry. I want to point, out. When it suits the out investigation. But he has not done Honourable Member, he quotes that, I suppose. Islamic law which does not allow He raised the question of fees to be betting and therefore he does not paid to lawyers assigned to defend 1293 22 DECEMBER 1965 1294 murder cases. He said that, if I remem- maintained, right from the beginning, ber correctly and I. stand corrected, that there' was nothing in Ramani's that he received only $250, and that it speech, which could be interpreted to was not sufficient for him and per- mean that Malaysia was on the side of haps not sufficient for others. India on this question of conflict He said, "How can one expect a between India and Pakistan. In regard counsel to work hard receiving only to Pakistan's attitude and its action $250. The sentence sounds rather in severing diplomatic relations with us, mercenary, Mr President, Sir, and I here is a country which was virtually declaring war against India but still leave my remarks at that only. having diplomatic relations with India. He also touched on the counting of With us there was no war, and votes in Malaysia. He said that the assuming that Ramani did say some- voters were not satisfied with the thing, which they did not like, and for method of the counting the votes, that reason alone they broke off because the clerks present at the diplomatic relations with us that we counting of the votes belonged to a cannot understand. I do not think any particular party. We are not aware of Honourable Member in this House can this, Sir. All these people are civil understand. servants and if any case of malpractice had happened, surely the Honourable The Honourable Member also raised Member should bring it to the attention this question of Malaya House, I think, of the proper authorities and chal- in England. He should have read the lenged it in court. We have counting Straits Times editoral today which agents everytime votes are counted. explains the position quite clearly. What were his counting agents doing Surely, Sir, the principle is that if it was not to see that all the votes Singapore is now a foreign country, were counted properly? The purpose though in the Commonwealth it is a of having counting agents and polling foreign and independent sovereign agents is to see to the proper conduct State. The primary responsibility of the of elections and also that the votes }Federal Government, the Malaysian are properly counted. Government, is to look after the Malaysian students. The Malaysian He also urged upon the Government students must be preferred to any to recruit , graduates only as ambas- other students from any other country sadors and not to recruit politicians. in respect of facilities provided in To that I would say that not all educational institutions. Singapore graduates will make good ambassadors Government is doing that in Singapore, and there are very good ambassadors, not only in respect of students but who are not graduates and who have also in respect of the workers. All the just passed the School Certificate or the Malaysian workers have got to get Higher School Certificate, but with permits. We do not do that in Malaya experience in life and so on, they here. We are still more considerate. make _ very, very good ambassadors. Therefore, this is nothing more than A certificate from a university is neither doing what is proper and right for here nor there as far as diplomacy is concerned, Mr President, Sir, and our students. Let us not introduce therefore certainly the Government will politics into this sort of things, Mr not confine recruitment as suggested President, Sir. by the Honourable Member, just to He mentioned the British Council. graduates only. He has said that in England the He said that our Ambassador in the British Council accepts students of all United Nations should not be biased. nationalities from different countries- None of our Ambassadors in the I am not sure whether he did stay in United Nations has been biased. Mr one of the British Council residences Ramani's remarks there were quite but I did for a few years. Well, the in accordance with Government's whole purpose of the British Council instructions from Kuala Lumpur. We hostels is to cater for overseas students, 1295 22 DECEMBER 1965 1296 especially students from Common- tional. Institute of Scientific and wealth . countries and, therefore, they Industrial Research and National Stan- will not discriminate between the dards Institution to provide research British students and the non-British facilities for the technological yad- students. Normally they do not accept vancement of local industries. The British students in the British. Council Ministry concerned will certainly look hostels, because British students can into details of the Queen's . award to in- either live in digs, or in flats, or rather dustry in order _ to consider the in- in university college hostels and so troduction of a similar award to forth, and therefore the analogy, industry by the Malaysian Govern- according to his own argument just ment. now, is illogical. Yang Berhormat Senator Amaluddin He also said that in Television or bin Darus ada menudoh mengatakan Radio, non-Malays were asked to read Registering Officers tidak menjalankan Malay news and that they could not kerja2 mereka sa-bagaimana yang di- pronounce the Malay words properly. kehendaki is-itu tentang memasokkan He appeared to take exception to that. nama2 di-dalam register. Saya tidak I really take my hat off to a few of faham-lah sa-kira-nya ada perkara sa- these non-Malays who have the courage umpama ini berlaku, akan tetapi semua to appear on the T.V., speak on the Registering Officers ini telah di-beri T.V., and read news on the T.V. arahan supaya mereka menjalankan Some of them, their Malay is very kerja-nya mengikut sa-bagai chara2 much better then the Malay spoken yang telah mengikut peratoran boleh- by the Honourable Member, the lah ahli Yang Berhormat itu membuat Senator from Kelantan. (Some Honour- satu surat kenyataan kapada pehak able Members : Hear! hear!) I was yang berkenaan dan perkara ini akan reading his speech just now, Mr di-siasat. President, Sir. Honestly, with due Yang Berhormat Dato' G. Shelley respect, I could not make head or tail telah menyebut berkenaan dengan of it. Thank you Mr President, Sir. perenggan2 yang tertentu di-dalam The Minister for Welfare Services penyata odit bagi Negeri Sembilan (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Mr dan Melaka. Bagi menjawab-nya, saya President, Sir, there are one or two suka menyatakan bahawa perkara other matters raised by Members of penyata odit ini ada-lah perkara this House to which I shall reply. Negeri dan terpulang-lah kapada pentadbiran Negeri yang berkenaan Mr President, Sir, the Honourable itu mengambil tindakan. Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah asked if the Government would consider the Yang Berhormat Tuan Haji Ahmad granting of a royal award to industry telah menchadangkan supaya Tentera along the lines awarded by the United Wataniah ini patut di-luaskan lagi Kingdom Government. Sir, the supaya dapat kaum2 ibu boleh Honourable Member will be aware mengambil bahagian dalam-nya dan that the Queen's award for industry saya suka menyatakan di-sini is-itu granted by the United Kingdom memang tujuan Kerajaan memperluas- Government will be for achievements kan daripada satu masa ka-satu masa based on visible exports and recogni- mengikut kehendak dan keadaan masa tion of technological achievement in dan pada masa sekarang ini pun industrial process of products. I wish kaum2 ibu ada-lah di-beri peluang to inform the Honourable Member untok masok dalam Tentera Wataniah that a Government Committee is at itu. the moment looking into the question Yang Berhormat Enche' Saidon bin of granting export incentives to Kechut menyatakan kesangsian-nya industry or the export of our products terhadap ketegasan ranchangan pela- to other countries on a competitive jaran sekarang ini bagi melaksanakan basis and that the Ministry concerned matalamat pelajaran kebangsaan sa- will also be establishing the Interna- bagai mana di-shorkan dalam para- 1297 22 DECEMBER 1965 1.298 graph 12.. Penyata Pelajaran tahun Bill accordingly read the third time 1956, Yang Berhormat itu. sa-terus-nya and passed. mengatakan bahawa pelaksanaan ran- changan pelajaran sekarang .ini ada-lah Mr (Deputy) President: The sitting menyeieweng daripada mata'amat yang is suspended for twenty minutes. tersebut. Saya suka menjawab-nya dan Sitting suspended at 5.25 p.m. menyatakan is-itu Kerajaan ada-lah Sitting resumed at 5.50 p.m. sentiasa berpandu kapada mataamat in the Chair) yang di-nyatakan dalam paragraph 12 (Mr President Penyata Pela°jaran 1956 dan kemudian di-sahkan oleh Jawatan-kuasa Penye- THE PREVENTION QE CRIME mak pela j aran tahun 1964, tetap (AMENDMENT) BILL walau pun . ada hasrat Kerajaan Second • Reading melaksanakan-nya dengan segera, maka di-sebabkan oleh besar-,nya Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, masaalah itu bukan sahaja dari segi I beg to move that a Bill int:tuled "an merombak dan menyesuaikan dasar Act to amend the Prevention of Crime dan susunan pelajaran yang di-warisl Ordinance, 1959" be read a second daripada pentadbiran sa-belum mer- time. deka, tetapi juga besar-nya membena Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, satu susunan pelajaran kebangsaan I beg to second the motion. yang lengkap menerusi Bahasa :kebang- saan daripada permulaan al'f lagi dan Data' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, ada-nya pula pertentangan fa.ham Section 15 of the Prevention of Crime di-kalangan masharakat yang harus di- Ordinance, 1959 empowers the Minis- sesuaikan, maka tidak-Iah dapat ter, who may by order direct that any pe'akranaan matalamat itu di-jalankan, person registered under Section 12 (2) terpaksa-Iah lambat dan perlahan2. be subject to Police supervision for any Ini tidak-lah berma`ana Kerajaan telah period not exceedgng five years and lupa bahkan sava boleh memberi such registered person shall be subject akuan di-sini bahawa Kerajaan, sa- to certain restrictions as the Minister bagaimana telah di-nyatakan. beberana may decide : for example, his move- kali di-masa yang sudah2, tidak ments be confined to a certain Mukim Akan berganlak daripada ma&amat or district. However, there is no pelaj gran kebang'aan sa-baaimana provision in this Ordinance that t°~maktub da1.am naragraph 12 Penyata, authorises the Police to escort the P&ajaran tahun 1956. restrictees to the place of restriction. An instance has occurred recently Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekan-Iah release sahaja untok irenjawab pertanyaan2 whereby a restrietee, upon his yang di-kemukakan oleh ahl'2 yang from custody, failed to turn up at his place of restriction and, when ques- Berhormat di-Dewan mi. Sa-kira-nva ada apa2 kefn galan boleti-lah Ahli2 tioned as to the reason, he stated that he had not the money to do so. To Yang Berhormat itu tujukan dengan prevent this, it is thought that in all chara bersurat kapada Menteri2 yang cases where police supervision orders berkenaan. are issued, the Police must, as a matter Question put, and agreed to. of routine, escort the restrictee to his B11 accordingly read a second time. place of restriction. The law as it stands at present does not allow the Third Reading Police to escort a registered person to Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, his place of restriction. In order to I beg to move that the Supply Bill, authorise the police to do so, the 1966 be read the third time and passed. Prevention of Crime Ordinance, 1959 has to be amended, and this ff11 to Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second amend the Prevention of Crime Ordi- the motion. nance, 1959, merely confers the Question put, and agreed to. necessary power of escort to the Police. 1299 22 DECEMBER 1965 1300

Wan Mustapha bin Haji Ali: Mr accused person for the reason that if President, Sir, I rise to support the the evidence is given in the presence amendment to the Prevention of Crime of the accused then there might be Ordinance. As stated by the Honour- retaliation." I mean, the witnesses able mover, under the previous might be threatened. It is hoped that Prevention of Crime Ordinance, i.e. this section should be judiciously without this amendment, the Police, exercised, because if evidence is given as far as I know, did not escort the to the enquiring Magistrate in the restricted persons to the place where absence of the accused, or his counsel, they should reside. For instance, there naturally, of course, you cannot cross- have been quite a number of cases in examine the witnesses, though it is Kelantan, in which I appeared on suspected that these witnesses called behalf of the persons involved, where by the Police sometimes are not really after the order was issued or given, genuine witnesses they are witnesses it was the duty of these persons to who have a grudge personally against travel by themselves without any the person involved. It is only in that escort with the result that, as Dato' respect that I wish • to comment on in T. H. Tan stated just now, some regard to this Bill. people did not have the money to Sir, as I stated just now, I support make the journey. This amendment this Bill, because it gives jurisdiction only says about the escort, but what or power to the Police to escort the about the fares for these people? I person involved and then the fare, I think it is quite possible that once the take it, would be paid by the Govern- Police has got the power to escort ment, but during the trial, Sir, I find such a person, they will escort him, that the procedure is not very either by Police truck or Police jeep, satisfactory. Sir we are living in a or by train and then probably the democracy and justice not only must Police will arrange about the fares. be done, but it must be seen to be This Prevention of Crime Act, 1965, done and, perhaps, it is quite possible of course, gives the power to the if the Government can take up this' Government to order a person to be issue, for instance, that the Magistrate restricted at a certain place. I would should not always listen to the Inspector like to take this opportunity of saying or the Police officer who presents the that this Prevention of Crime Act case when there is an application that should not be abused. It is a very evidence should be given in the absence good Act except that there are. sections of the accused. under this Act, especially during the Mr President trial, where there is a certain section : Jika tidak ada Ahli2 which empowers the prosecution to Yang ' Berhormat yang hendak ber- give evidence; in other words the chakap lagi, sava akan kemukakan is-itu Rang Undang2 ini supaya di- Police would try to produce a certain bachakan kali yang kedua number of witnesses before the enquiry officer or the Magistrate about the Kato' . Haji Mohamed Noah bin man involved, and it was his duty to dinar: Saya rasa Yang Berhormat say whether an order of restriction yang baharu berchakap ini ada juga should by given or not. However, perkara2 yang di-sebutkan, dia m inta during the `hearing itself. in all cases sadikit ' kenyataan daripada pehak I find that, because there is a certain Keraj aan. Ticlak-lah ada satu j awapan section under which the Magistrate has daripada pehak Kerajaan dalam per- the power to prohibit the taking down kara ini of evidence in the presence of the accused person, Sir, or even his Tuan Haji Abdul [amid Khan bm counsel, the Police will say to the Hai Sakhawat All Khan: Than Yang Magistrate, "we would like to call di-Pertua, Menteri =yang berkenaan out witnesses in the absence of the tidak ada di-sini. Saya tidak dapat counsel or in' the absence of the jawab. 1301 22 DECEMBER 1965 1302

Mr President: Sa-kurang2 patut ada of Malaya Law, there is no such wakil-nya di-sini. requirement. Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, Mr President, Sir, the provisions of I would like to say here that the points the new consolidating Act, which raised by the Honourable Wan replaces the various existing laws Mustapha will be noted and passed on relating to passports now in force in to the Ministry for attention. the component States of the Federation, are basically the same as those now Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan contained in the laws which it replaces. Yang di-Pertua, kalau tidak ada However, in view of the special Menteri yang bertanggong-j awab yang position of the Borneo States with hendak menjawab-nya tanggohkan per- regard to entry into those States, there sidangan ini sampai besok. has been incorporated into the draft Question put, and agreed to. Act a provision relating to the produc- Bill accordingly read a second time tion by persons travelling between and committed to a Committee of the Malaya and the Borneo States of whole House. internal travel documents issued under the immigration laws. I refer, in parti- House immediately resolved itself cular, to Clause 3 of the Bill. into a Committee on the Bill. Question put, and agreed to. Bill considered in Committee. Bill accordingly read a second time (Mr President in the Chair) and committed to a Committee of the Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part whole House. of the Bill. House immediately resolved itself Bill reported without amendment : into a Committee on the Bill. read the third time and passed. Bill considered in Committee. THE PASSPORTS BILL (Mr President in the Chair) Second Reading Clauses 1 to 8 Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar : Honoura- I beg to move that the Passports Bill, able Dato' President, Sir, I would like 1965, be read a second time. to refer to Clause 2, Sub-clause (4) of the Bill -I expect Dato' Tan will reply, Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second Sir, if he can and I would like to the motion. quote it : "An immigration officer may Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, make on any passport produced under at present the States of Malaya, Sabah this section such endorsement as he and Sarawak have in force separate thinks fit". The words I would like written laws pertaining to passports. to have a clarification on, Sir, are : Rather than extending the Federation "as he thinks fit". These words, Sir, of Malaya Passports Act, 1960, to the give an unlimited power to the other territories of Malaysia, it has immigration officer. "Immigration been decided that it would be prefer- Officer" is not defined under this Bill. able to make a new Act for the whole If it says that an "immigration officer" of Malaysia, the reason being that the is, for instance, the Minister or Federation of Malaya Passports Act, Assistant Minister, then I would say 1960, differs in an important respect nothing on it. Sir, if an 'immigration from the passport laws at present in officer" is not defined, then there can force in the other Malaysian territories. be an instance happening somewhere The difference lies in the fact that in in Malaysia where the power of that the Sabah and Sarawak Laws, it is immigration officer is delegated to a mandatory for a person leaving those mere clerk, and in such a case, that States to produce his passport for power might be abused by the clerk. endorsement within a specified time of Sir, I would like also to enquire, his leaving, whereas in the Federation how far is the power given to the 1303 22 DECEMBER 1965 1304 immigration officer in respect of such tion officer a wide range of discretion an endorsement on the passport, and within his responsibility. what sort of endorsement is con- Sir, so far as the drafting of this templated by the Bill. This must be provision is concerned, I do not see replied to by the Minister. why there should be any misgiving that it will be misapplied. If it is mis- Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Mr Presi- applied, then there is always the dent, Sir, on a point of clarification provision that any person who is "Immigration officer" is defined on aggrieved thereby can apply to the page 5; it is stated there that "immig- proper authorities, that is, in this case, ration officer" shall have the meaning the judicial authorities and ask for assigned to it in the Immigration the necessary writs that is in Clauses Ordinance, 1959". 2, 3 and 4; if there is an abuse of Date' Sheikh Abu Bakar : My second power, it can be prevented by applica- and third points have yet to be tion for the necessary writ in the High replied to : what sort of endorsement, Court, or, if there is a refusal a similar and how far is the . power to be given application can also be made for the to the immigration officer? necessary writ. Date' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Enche' Athi Nahappan : Mr Presi- Omar: Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like dent, Sir, the language used here is to say that the definition of "immig- wide for instance, under Clause 2 (3), ration officer" is not stated in this Bill it says "An immigration officer may, at all. Normally, when we have a Bill ...... , put to any person producing of this nature, an officer of that kind such passport such questions as he is always defined. thinks necessary; and such person shall answer any such question truthfully"; Date' Sheikh Abu Bakar: Mr Chair- then sub-clause (4) says, "An immig- man, Sir, I would like to ask whether ration officer make on any passport the Honourable Member who spoke produced under this section such just now across the passage was endorsement as he thinks fit" I should answering my question. imagine that, though the language is Enche' Athi Nahappan: Sir, I am wide, he has still to function within not actually answering the Honourable the framework of the law itself, Member's question, but I am merely namely, matters pertaining to passport. making my own statement in the light It does not mean that he can ask any of what the Honourable Member question under the sun, which would raised, and it is up to the . Honourable be irrelevant; and I can imagine that Member to agree or disagree with me. in such a situation a citizen, who is asked an irrelevant question unconnec- Date' Sheikh Abu Bakar bin Yahya: ted with passport, may refuse to As he has answered my question, may answer the question. In so far as the I ask whether he is a Minister? endorsement is concerned, one may Enche' Athi Nahappan: A Senator expect that an immigration officer is need not be a Minister in order to not going to make any kind of entry agree or disagree with the views of which is totally unconnected or another Senator. irrelevant to the question of passport. We can reasonably expect that an Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir,. immigration officer will only be here again, ' I must say that the ques- interested in matters assigned to him, tions raised by the Honourable Senator and , he will only ask questions Dato' Sheikh Abu Bakar, will also be connected with his responsibility and noted and reply given to him in due course. (Laughter). make endorsement relevant to his responsibility. It is. to be expected that Question put, and agreed to. the language has got to be as wide Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to as possible so as to give the immigra- stand part of. the Bill.. 1305 22 DECEMBER 1965 1306

Clauses 9 to 15 inclusive ordered to Immigration is not State-controlled; stand part of the Bill. immigration is under the Federal List, Schedule ordered to stand part of but as far as the Sarawak State is the Bill. concerned, immigration into the State will be subject to further control by Bill reported without amendment : the State Government. That is the read the third time and passed. position. But Immigration from outside Malaysia, i.e. those who want to come THE IMMIGRATION from outside Malaysia, will be under (AMENDMENT) (No. 2) BILL the control of the Federal Government. Second Reading Question put, and agreed to. Bill accordingly read a second time Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, and committed to a Committee of the I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Immigration whole House. Ordinance, 1959" be now read a House immediately resolved itself second time. into a Committee on the Bill. Bill considered in Committee. Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second the motion. (Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, stand part of the Bill. with the formation of Malaysia, the Immigration Ordinance, 1959, was Bill reported without amendment : extended to apply to the whole of read the third time and passed. Malaysia and an additional provision was inserted in section 3 of the Ordin- THE DIVORCE (AMENDMENT) ance to provide for the appointment BILL of Controllers to be stationed in and Second Reading to act for different parts of Malaysia. Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, It is considered that the Controller I beg to move that the Divorce of Immigration, Malaysia, should have (Amendment) Bill 1965, be read a in addition to the power vested in the second time. Controllers of each component State, the further power of general supervi- Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, sion and direction of all matters I beg to second the motion. relating to immigration in Malaysia. Dato' However, as section 3 of the Ordinance T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, the Federation of Malaya Divorce stands at present, each of the Control- Ordinance No. 74 of 1952 was enacted lers appointed in the component States at the time when Malaya was under has the same power as the Controller the British rule. Section 5 of the appointed for the whole of Malaysia. Ordinance conferred jurisdiction on the The purpose of this Bill is to vest Malayan . High Court to dissolve in the Controller for Malaysia. these marriage of persons who are domiciled additional powers and to change the in the United Kingdom. So long as the title "Controller for . Malaysia" to Federation of Malaya was under the "Controller-General of Immigration." colonial rule, this provision is com- Enche' William Tan: Mr President, pletely satisfactory. But, once the Sir, may I be enlightened whether this Federation of Malaya became inde- Immigration (Amendment) Bill will pendent in 1957 and now forms °part eliminate the power of the Borneo of the Malaysian Federation the pro- States? At present, immigration is vision of section 5 of the Divorce under State control. Ordinance is no longer compatible with international practice. It has Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: always been the international practice Mr President, Sir, did I hear immigra- for the High Court of any independent tion is under State Control? (Pause) and sovereign state to exercise jurisdic- 1307 22 DECEMBER 1965 1308 tion over matrimonial and divorce The purport of the provisions in practices only in cases where parties question is that where, in answer to a are domiciled in the country of that criminal charge, the defence of intoxi- High. Court. Thus the object of the cation is established, the law treats Bill is to make out divorce laws to the accused as if he were a person of conform with international practice. unsound mind. Question put, and agreed to. Question put, and agreed to. Bill accordingly read a second time Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the and committed to a Committee of the whole House. whole -House. House immediately resolved itself House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. into a Committee on the Bill. Bill considered in Committee. Bill considered in Committee. (Mr President in the Chair) (Mr President in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill. part of the Bill. Bill reported without amendment : Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed. read the third time and passed.

THE PENAL CODE THE RUBBER RESEARCH (AMENDMENT) (No. 2) BILL INSTITUTE OF MALAYA BILL Second Reading Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act further to amend the Penal "the Rubber Research Institute of Code", be read second time. Malaya Bill" be read a second time. Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, I beg to second the motion. I beg to second the motion. Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, a minor error, which has existed Honourable Members will recall that unnoticed for 17 years, has been in 1962 the Senate passed the Rubber discovered in the Penal Code. The Research Institute of Malaya Act, reference in that section to sections 1962. This Act was introduced in 347 and 348 of the Criminal Procedure order to' reconstitute the Institute after Code is a reference to those sections its long existence, which dated back of the Penal Procedure Code of the to 1926, and to bring it into line with former Federated Malay States. the major reorganisation of the Rubber As Honourable Members are aware, Research Unit carried out in 1962 and there are two Criminal . Procedure financed by the Malayan Rubber Fund Codes in force in the States of Board. Malaya-the former F.M.S. Code in The Institute is charged with the the 9 States and the former. Straits responsibility of carrying out research Settlements Code in the States of and investigations into ways and Penang and Malacca. means of increasing the efficiency of The reference in the Penal Code to natural rubber production and impro- the two sections of the F.M.S. Penal ving the presentation and quality of Code ought therefore to have been natural rubber for export. It has a expanded to include a reference to the Board which is responsible for financial corresponding sections 373 and 374 of and administrative policies, and in its the Straits Settlements Code, when the research activities it is subject to the Penal Code was extended throughout direction and control of the Malayan the Federation in December 1948. Rubber Fund Board, which provides 1309 22 DECEM BER 1965 1310

it with funds from the research cess of his replacement. It is now proposed collected on rubber exports. to introduce provisions which will enable the appointment of a person to Although the existing Act has act as Director during such periods. brought about great improvement in Besides this provision, there are other administration and technical operations provisions in the existing Act which of the Institute, it has been found to need to be amended so as to harmonise contain some minor weaknesses and the relationship between the Institute inconsistencies which sometimes led to and its Board on the one hand and the difficulties in its administration. For Malayan Rubber Fund Board on the instance, under the existing Act the other. From the drafting and presenta- Director of the Institute is also at the tion point of view, it would be easier same time the Chairman of the Board to repeal the existing Rubber Research of the Institute. The two roles of the Institute of Malaya Act, 1962, and to Chief Executive Officer and the Chair- re-enact a new piece of legislation, man should really be separate because incorporating all the basic provisions of of the possible conflict of loyalties and the Act of 1962 and the amendments responsibilities attached to the offices now proposed. of the Director of the Institute aLld to the Chairman of the Board of the Mr President, Sir, I would like to Institute. As the Director is an add that the present Rubber Research employee of the Board of the Institute Institute of Malaya is today acknow- and the Chief Executive Officer is ledged as one of the world's leading responsible for its day to day admin- institutions in rubber research. Through istration, it is inappropriate for him the skill, initiative and perseverance to officiate as Chairman of the Board of its staff, the Institute has been able of the Institute in which capacity he to build up, over the years, a fund would have to exercise judiciously the of scientific knowledge on rubber role of balancing the interests of the research which is second to none in Institute and its employees on the one the world. Its scientific and technical hand, and those of the Institute's officers have made notable contribu- Board and the Malayan Rubber Fund tions, not only in international scientific Board on the other. In order to forums but also to industry and com- remove this irregularity, it is proposed merce the world over. With the rapid that the Controller of Rubber Research, changes in the present position of the who is also the Chairman of the rubber industry, as a result of the Malayan Rubber Fund Board, should phenomenal expansion of the synthetic also be the Chairman of the Institute's rubber industry, both the Government Board. At the same time, this proposed and the Industry are keenly aware of change will promote closer liaison the need for rubber research to pro- between the Institute and its Board ceed with the utmost vigour, if the on the one hand and its parent body, natural rubber producers are to the Malayan Rubber Fund Board, on maintain a fair share of the world's the other. With this proposed change, expanding demand for new rubber. It the Director of the Institute will how- is in the light of this need that this ever remain a member of the Institute's Bill has been presented with a view to Board. strengthening and increasing further the efficiency of the Rubber Research Further, under the existing law, Institute which is, and will be, a vital although there is provision for a person research organisation for the survival to be appointed to act as Director of of the natural rubber industry in this the Institute, when its substantive country. Director is on leave or on overseas duty, there is no such provision to Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Dato' cover periods during which the post President, Sir, in rising to give the of Director is vacant, as, for example, fullest support to the Bill now before between the date of resignation of the the House, I should like to take this Director and that of the appointment opportunity to place on record the 1311 22 DECEMBER 1965 1312 deep appreciation and sincere thanks important industry and its main pro- of the rubber producers of Malaya to duct, sawn timber, now ranks as the the Rubber Research Institute of sixth largest export commodity of this Malaya and all its staff, past and country. From a total export of 116,380 present, for the wonderful ad sterling cubic tons of sawn timber valued at efforts of this Research Institute, whose $17.7 million in 1954 it reached work has played a major part in 570,431 cubic tons valued at $86.5 placing our country at the top of the million in 1964. Needless to say, this tree, as it were, as the greatest producer rapid expansion of the timber industry of natural rubber in the world. has contributed greatly to the economic Dato' President, Sir, in conclusion, prosperity and wellbeing of this on behalf of the rubber producers of country. However, in spite of this Malaya, I would like to acknowledge remarkable success, which in no small the great debt the natural rubber measure has been due to the initiative, industry of this country owes to the enterprise and skill of the private Rubber Research Institute of Malaya, sector, the timber industry in its export which Research Institute, I should like trade has been faced with numerous to add, has earned international recog- problems and difficulties, which have nition due to its wonderful work and threatened serious damage to the many dicoveries which have played so industry. large a part in the battle against On representations made by the synthetic rubber. 1 support this Bill, Sir. timber industry, the Government set Question put, and agreed to. up a working party comprising Govern- ment officials and representatives of Bill accordingly read a second time the trade and industry to examine the and committed to a Committee of the problems thoroughly and to recom- whole House. mend ways and means to improve and House immediately resolved itself to stabilise the position of the Industry. into a Committee on the Bill. The working party in its deliberations Bill considered in Committee. noted that many of the difficulties, facing the timber industry and export (Mr President in the Chair) trade, were due to existence of part- Clauses 1 to 18 inclusive ordered to time exporters and traders who indulge stand part of the Bill. in unscrupulous trade practices and Bill reported without amendment: whose only interest was a quick profit read the third time and passed. without any regard for the prestige of Malaysian timber overseas. The THE MALAYSIAN TIMBER working party, having examined the EXPORT INDUSTRY BOARD problems in the timber industry as a (INCORPORATION) BILL whole, cane to the conclusion that a S Second Reading body to be called Malaysian Timber Export Industry Board should be set Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, up to regulate and control the timber I begto move that a Bill intituled, export trade so as to put it on a sound "an Act to establish the Malaysian and stable basis, in order to maintain Timber Export Industry Board for the overseas confidence. purpose of regulating and improving the timber export industry and to pro- The Government has considered the vide for matters connected therewith" report of the working party and has be read a second time. decided to accept its recommendations for. the establishment" of the Malaysian Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second. Timber Export Trade Industry Board the motion. as a corporate body. A Bill to enact Dato' T H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, the legislation for setting up .this Board Honourable Members are aware that is now presented before the Senate. during the last decade or so, the timber M'r President, Sir, I would outline industry has become an increasingly briefly the main features of the Bill. 1313 22 DECEMBER 1965 1314

The proposed Board will comprise a only be able to stabilise its position Chairman, two Federal Government but will also be able to enhance its representatives, one Singapore Govern- competitiveness overseas. ment representative and seven repre- Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: sentatives of the industry and trade, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak two of whom are from Singapore. The minta penj elasan daripada Menteri trade and industry representatives are yang berkenaan, kalau tidak salah to be nominated by recognised associa- pada pendengaran saya, Dato' Tan tions which are listed in the Second kata, negeri Sabah dan Sarawak tidak Schedule to the Bill. The Bill provides bersetuju masok bersama dalam badan the Minister with powers to amend yang di-tubohkan oleh Kerajaan mi. the Schedule of recognised Associa- Jadi, tentu-lah ada sebab2 yang besar tions. The main functions of the Board yang boleh menyebabkan dual negeri ini will be to promote, regulate and control tidak bersetuju masok champor, pada the export of timber, and for this hal-nya saya rasa, pengeluaran kayu purpose it will be empowered to issue balak daripada Sarawak dan Sabah registration certificates to exporters ini, terutama-nya Sarawak, chukup-lah who satisfy conditions set out in banyak. Dan kira-nya kita tidak con- Section 13 and Section 14 of the Bill. trol atau pun kawal daripada hari ini, The Board will also be empowered to saya bimbang takut menjadi kelewatan make regulations regarding types of bagi kita hendak mengawal pada masa contract to be used for the export of yang akan datang mi. Dan j uga saya timber, methods of fixing prices, bimbang Kerajaan kedua2 negeri itu measures for the maintenance of proper mungkin j uga di-pengarohi oleh kapi- standards of conduct in the trade and talis2 yang mengambil peluang pada to deal with trading infringements. The masa ini untok mengeluarkan kayu Board will establish a fund into which balak daripada Sarawak dan Sabah will be paid all moneys collected from supaya menggunakan pengaroh yang a cess or cesses on all timber exported ada pada-nya untok menahan dual and this fund will be used to defray Kerajaan itu berchampor dalam badan all expenditure of the Board in carrying yang mustahak ini. Jadi, kalau Singa- out its functions under the Act. pura sanggup berchampor sama dalam Honourable Members will note that badan ini, kenapa pula Sarawak dan the jurisdiction of the proposed Board Sabah, dual buah negeri dalam Malay- will not extend to the States of Sabah sia ini, sanggup menarek diri daripada and Sarawak which are also important badan yang di-tubohkan oleh Kerajaan producers of timber. In view of the lnl? different circumstances prevailing in the timber industry in those States, the mi sate perkara yang sangat-lah Government of the two States have mendukachitakan bagi kita mendengar- advised that for the time being the kan berita yang sa-umpama ini. Saya jurisdiction of the proposed Board rasa perlu Kerajaan kita atau pun should not be extended to their States. Menteri Perdagangan kita, chuba-lah dengan sa-berapa daya upaya-nya The Government, however, is glad memuj ok dua2 buah Kerajaan ini, to announce that the Singapore supaya champor sama dalam badan Government has agreed to participate yang kita telah tubohkan mi. Kalau with the rest of Malaysia in setting up Menteri kita tidak boleh pujok ini, a joint Board and has agreed to enact nampak sangat-lah lemah daripada parallel legislation with Singapore oehak Kerajaan kita dalam mengguna- which also has considerable interest in kan daya pnarek-nya untok menarek- the timber trade. kan dua2 buah negeri ini untok As stated earlier, the timber industry champor dalam badan mi. Saya rasa has now become a major economic dengan kebijaksanaan Menteri kita ini, activity in this country. I have no doubt kedua2 buah Kerajaan ini akan ber- that with the establishment of the champor. Saya pernah pergi ka- proposed Board, the industry will not Sarawak, saya melihat banyak kayu2 1315 22 DECEMBER 1965 1316

balak yang di-keluarkan daripada mempengarohi kedua2 buah Kerajaan negeri Sarawak ini, yang mana ini-lah ini supaya jangan bersefahaman dengan satu badan yang patut sangat menarek- kita. Jadi, ini satu perkara bahaya, kan Sarawak ini, masok dalam badan saya rasa bahaya bagi Malaysia im. mi. Bagi Malaya kita ini, barangkali Jadi, mustahak dalam perkara ini, kita kayu sudah tidak banyak lagi. Jadi j aga daripada awal. J angan daripada badan yang kita bentokkan ini, sudah kechil kita biarkan benda itu beriaku. j adi lewat. Kalau bagi Malaya sahaj a, Umpama-nya, dalam perkara yang saya rasa sudah kelewatan. Sebab-nya, lebeh besar Iagi, kalau kita tidak jaga negeri2 di-Pantai Barat sudah tidak yang kechil ini, yang lebeh besar iagi, ada kayu lagi tidak banyak kayu nanti dia buat keputusan yang boleh yang di-keluarkan. Chuma reserve menyusahkan kita. Umpama-nya dalam yang ada di-Trengganu, di-Kelantan bahagian persekolahan, dalam baha- dan di-Pahang. mi harapan kayu gian immigreshen, dan macham2 per- keluaran banyak yang badan ini boleh kara lagi yang dia ada berkuasa dapat men j aga dan mengawal. sendiri, walau pun dalam Malaysia, Tetapi kalau sa-kira-nya tidak tetapi ada sadikit hak di-beri kebe- masokkan Sarawak dan Sabah basan. Jadi, kalau kebebasan ini di-beri menunjokkan badan ini akan menjadi dengan sa-chara yang terlampau luas sangat lemah. Berapa kita usaha pun, sangat, nanti membawa kapada ben- dengan negeri Malaya sahaj a, saya chana kapada Malaysia kita mi. rasa tidak chukup. Jadi, saya hendak Jadi, saya harap Menteri yang ber- minta-fah, jangan-lah jadi Sarawak kenaan ini, satu Menteri yang chukup dan Sabah ini, dalam masaalah manis dan bijak ini boleh-lah memujok kepentingan ekonomi bersama ini, dia dua buah negeri ini supaya tarekkan hendak larikan daripada Malaya mi. sama, masokkan dalam badan mi. Lupakan-lah yang Sarawak dan Sabah Satu lagi pertanyaan saya dalam ini negeri yang berasingan. Sebab kita senarai pertubohan yang di-aku i ini, sudah jadi Malaysia hari ini. Jadi tidak saya tengok di-Singapura Timber perlu lagi kita memikirkan kalau kayu Export Association, (Singapore Saw- balak, jangan champor Sarawak dan millers Association). Tetapi Malaya ini Sabah. Kalau benda lain tidak apa kita masok sa-kali. sa-olah2 belum ada sawmillers associa- tion. Ada-kah kerana tidak ada Jadi, mana menguntongkan mereka, sawmillers association itu tidak di- takut kena cess umpama-nya, jangan masokkan dalam ini? Atau pun apa- champor. Fasal apa tidak mahu cham- kah sebab-nya ketinggalan sawmillers por? Takut taukeh2 kayu balak ini association bagi Malaya ini? Singapura beri tahu kapada pegawai2, pehak itu Export Association pun di-masok- pemerentah atau pun mempengarohi kan, Sawmillers pun di-masokkan. Saya Kerajaan, kalau di-masokkan di-sini, rasa tidak perlu Sawmillers Associa- kena cess. Kalau kena cess, harga tion macham di-Singapura itu di- sudah ada lebeh sadikit. Pada hal-nya, masokkan sebab apa yang kita perlu dia orang patut faham cess ini beri barangkali berkenaan dengan export pertolongan juga kapada perusahaan import sahaja sebab itu pelabohan. itu sendiri. Bagaimana cess getah yang Jadi kalau sawmillers di-masokkan kita kena ini, ini tidak patut. Jadi, jadi tentu-lah terlampau banyak sangat chara ini patut kita sedar. Jangan-lah kita beri suara atau pun hak kapada satu Kerajaan atau pun dual buah orang Singapura ini bersuara dalam Kerajaan ini mudah sangat di-penga- kita punya badan yang kita tubohkan rohi oleh kaum2 kapitalis. Jadi, kalau ini. Memada-lah kalau kita katakan sa-kira-nya dalam kayu balak mereka tempat bagi Sawmillers Association itu boleh mempengarohi sa-hingga asing- beri-lah kapada Sawmillers Associa- kan daripada badan ini, barangkali tion bagi Malaya ini kalau ada; kalau perkara yang lebeh besar daripada ti_dak ada, boleh-lah kita tunggu supaya kayu balak, perkara mengenai dasar2 di-adakan. Tetapi kalau bagi Singapura Kerajaan, boleh juga mereka2 ini Sawmillers Association di-masokkan 1317 22 DECEMBER 1965 1318 juga dalam badan ini, saya rasa tidak middlemen and exporters and some, perlu sebab apa yang kita perlu kapada of course, go all the way to Singapore Singapura is-lah kerana Singapura itu for export. As a result of this multi- pelabohan. Kalau kita hendak hantar plicity and this competition to export kayu ka-Singapura baik-lah kita hantar timber, malpractices had arisen. Hence kayu yang telah di-potong dengan the need for this Timber Board to tidak payah kita ambil suara Saw- control the exports of timber in the millers Association di-sana. Jadi kalau States of Malaya and Singapore. kita tarek Sawmillers Association dari- In Sabah and Sarawak, however, the pada Singapura j adi mereka menyuara- picture is very different, because of the kan chara kepentingan perniagaan vast areas of forests available and sawmill di-Singapura yang many relatively few people in the trade. bertentangan dengan suara, barangkali There they talk in terms of square sawmillers yang ada di-Malaya kita miles of forest reserve, or forest con- sendiri manakala sawmillers di-Malaya cessions, whereas here we only talk tidak ada suara di-sini. Jadi apa yang of acres. As a result, people in the kita dapat dengar suara daripada timber industry in Sabah and Sarawak sawmillers yang ada di-saberang Tam- invariably own their own sawmills, or, bak Johor sahaja. Jadi saya rasa tidak if they do not have their own sawmills, kena-lah. Itu-lah sahaja pendapat saya. they export these logs direct so that Saya manta-lah keterangan yang lebeh practically there are no middlemen. j etas. Hence, they do not have so many The Minister of Commerce and problems of export of timber in Sabah Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr and Sarawak as we have in the States President, Sir, it is correct that this of Malaya and Singapore. Bill does not extend to Sabah and Sir, the other point raised was, why Sarawak, and the reason is that before is there a Sawmillers' Association in Sabah and Sarawak joined Malaysia, Singapore, and why is there none in at the Inter-Government Committee the States of Malaya? Sir, in the States stage, it was agreed that timber and of Malaya, the people in the timber the trading in timber should not come export trade have grouped themselves under central control. The second into three associations: the Federation reason why Sabah and Sarawak were of Malaya Timber Export Association, not asked to join in this Timber the Timber Trade Federation of Export Industries Board is because Malaysia and the Malay Timber Trade. their method of export, or their pro- Among these are already sawmillers. blems of export are different from They have not themselves formed a those existing in the States of Malaya separate association. These are the and Singapore. reasons. In the States of Malaya we have Question put, and agreed to. many people, who exploit timber from Bill accordingly read a second time the forests, who have more relatively and committed to a Committee of the small areas to work upon: some of whole House. them have their own sawmills, but most of them do not have their own House immediately resolved itself sawmills and they sell their timber into a Committee on the Bill. through the sawmills. Then these saw- Bill considered in Committee. millers, some own compartments, some do not own compartments, and they (Mr President in the Chair) sell their timber sometimes to an Clauses 1 to 28 inclusive ordered to exporter or export them direct. So, stand part of the Bill. the timber trade here, where export is concerned, can be handled by several Schedules 1 and 2 ordered to stand types of people, the people who work part of the Bill. the forests, the people who own only Bill reported without amendment : sawmills, people who are purely read the third time and passed. 1319 22 DECEMBER 1965 1320

THE PINEAPPLE INDUSTRY statistics, the Board will be better (AMENDMENT) BILL equipped to help and advise other Second Reading Governmental bodies regarding plans to alienate lands for pineapple growing Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, and statistical research concerning the I beg to move that a Bill intituled pineapple industry. The registration "an Act to amend the Pineapple of pineapple grower will also enable Industry Ordinance, 1957, and the the Board, from time to time, to have Pineapple Industry (Amendment) Act, more accurate estimates of raw fruit 1964" be read a second time. production which can be related to Dato' Y. T. Lee: I beg to second the the canning capacity of the existing motions. canneries and to the world demand for canned pineapple. Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, the present legislations on the pineapple The Bill also seeks to amend Section industry contain provisions to empower 5 of the Pineapple Industry (Amend- the Malayan Pineapple Industry Board ment) Act, 1964, in order to remove to make regulations to register persons, certain ambiguities. It is proposed to who own or use land for planting substitute the word "Corporation" for pineapple intended primarily for sale the word "Act" so that it is clearly to canneries, and who are not at the understood that the levy to be imposed same time the owners of the canneries. under the section is to be used solely These provisions, however, do not for the purpose of meeting the admini- make it compulsory for growers to strative expenses incurred in running register, nor do they offer incentives the marketing corporation and not for for growers to register themselves with any other purposes. It is also proposed the Board. As it is essential for the to replace the word "to" with the word Board to have a comprehensive record "through" in that section. This is of all growers, so as to enable it to because the marketing corporation is possess sufficient information pertaining not the buyer of canned pineapple but to the various factors in the produc- is a body to which canned pineapple tion aspect of raw pineapples, it is is to be sold for export. necessary to introduce provisions which provide the necessary stimulus and Question put, and agreed to. incentives to small growers to register Bill accordingly read a second time with the Board. In order to achieve and committed to a Committee of the this, it is proposed to introduce a new whole House. clause in Section 14 of the Pineapple House immediately resolved itself Industry Ordinance, 1957, to provide into a Committee on the Bill. that canners shall accept pineapples Bill considered in Committee. only from registered growers, except (Mr President in the Chair) where the written approval of the Board has been obtained. Consequent Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to on this amendment, it is necessary to stand part of the Bill. amend Section 11(a) of the Ordinance Bill reported without amendment : to empower the Board to keep a regis- read the third time and passed. ter of growers. ORDER OF BUSINESS At present without a proper register (Motion) of all pineapple growers, the Board has to make very rough estimates of Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, the acreage, yields, income, etc., of the I beg to move, pineapple growers, especially the small That pursuant to Standing Order growers. The Board has to have 13 (2), the Senate shall consider the accurate statistics on these items to National Productivity Council (Incor- enable it to plan a more effective poration) Bill before the Women and rehabilitation and fertiliser subsidisa- Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) tion programme. With more accurate Bill. 1321 22 DECEMBER 1965 1322

Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second trial development in particular. The the motion. Centre has been providing for the Question put, and agreed to. nation the much needed training of managerial, supervisory and trade Resolved, union executive personnal as proved That pursuant to Standing Order by the impact of productivity on the 13 (2), the Senate shall consider: the organisations that have so far parti- National Productivity Council (Incor- cipated in the Centre's training poration) Bill before the Women and programme, especially through short- Girls (Appointment of Places of Safety) term practical projects in plants, Bill. workshops, and offices of the parti- BILLS cipants. The demand for the Centre's training activities has been increased THE NATIONAL PRODUCTIVITY not only in the Western States but also COUNCIL (INCORPORATION) in the Eastern States of Malaysia. The BILE courses run by the Centre are also Second Reading open to nominees of ` Government Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, Departments as well as nominees of I beg to move that a Bill intituled organisations sponsored by Govern- "an Act to establish a body corporate ment Departments with the approval to be called the National Productivity of the Minister of Commerce and Council and to provide for matters Industry. connected therewith" be now read a The Bill, therefore, seeks to establish second time. an autonomous National Productivity Council which will run the existing Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second National Productivity Centre, ` which the motion. at present operates as a Government Data' T. H. Tan: Mr President, , Sir, Department under the guidance of its the plan of operation for the establish- Advisory Council: ment of the National Productivity The Bill has provision for the Centre provides for a review of the Council through the Centre to charge status of the Centre after two years fees, to borrow money and to receive of operation and also makes provision grant and donation from Government for reviewing the need to grant an as well as non Government sources. increasing measure of autonomy by The fact that industry and commerce transferring to industry a substantial will also have a share in the financial share of the responsibility for its responsibility means that industry will administration and financing. have a bigger say in the running of the The National Productivity Centre Centre. has now been in operation for almost The composition of the Council has, four years and, whilst its training therefore, been carefully considered programmes have proceeded very to ensure sufficient and equitable satisfactorily, its continuation as a representation by industry, commerce, Government Department presents some university, employers and trade unions. administrative and financial problems, Those Ministries of Government in- particularly in matters of recruitment, volved with productivity problems will selection and salary scales of its staff also be represented. The Council will and in matters of charging fees for its be headed by a Chairman to be courses. Judging, however, from the appointed by the Minister charged with reaction of industry and commerce to the responsibility for commerce and the Centre's training activities, there is industry. The Chairman, in conjunction no doubt that the Centre, given the with the Council, will appoint such right impetus and reasonable facilities, other executive and administrative can continue to be an extremely useful staff as the Centre may need. The organisation to the economic progress functions of the Council are spelt out of our country in general and to indus- in the Bill and are briefly as follows : 1323 22 DECEMBER 1465 1324

(a) to raise the standard of manage- commercial sectors and also the rate ment in commerce and industry; of industrial expansion in our country. (b) to improve the efficiency of Government is keenly aware, that on industrial operations, sales and the shoulders of our rising managers marketing; and executives rests the important role (c) to initiate training and other of giving our country the image of programmes; progress and efficiency that will attract the capital so necessary for our (d) to publicise the aims, objectives economic expansion. and activities of the Centre and obtaining the co-operation of Question put, and agreed to. employer and employees groups; Bill accordingly read a second time, (e) to advise the Minister and the and committed to a Committee of the private sector on productivity whole House. techniques; House immediately resolved itself (f) to serve as a forum for discussing into a Committee on the Bill. organisational, managerial and supervisory problems in com- Bill considered in Committee. merce and industry; (Mr President in the Chair) (g) to report annually to the Minister on the progress and problems of Clauses 1 to 18 inclusive ordered to raising productivity in commerce stand part of the Bill. and industry in the country and Schedule ordered to stand part of the make recommendations an the Bill. manner in which such problems may be dealt with. Bill reported without amendment; (h) to undertake and perform con- read the third time and passed. sultant services; THE WOMEN AND GIRLS (i) to establish and maintain contact (APPOINTMENT OF PLACES OF with similar or other agencies SAFETY) BILL both national and international; Second Reading and (j) to do all such acts and things as Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, may be incidental to or con- I beg to move that a Bill intituled, sequential upon the discharge of "an Act to provide for the appointment its functions under this Act. of places of safety for the purposes of the Laws in force in different parts Sir, I feel that the objects can be of the States of Malaya for the attained and the National Productivity Protection of Women and Girls be Council will serve to accelerate the read a second time. pace of industrial development, thereby raising the living standards of our Data' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second people. the motion. For a start, it is the intention that The Minister for Welfare Services Government will give the Council an (Tuan Hali Abdul Hamid Khan): Tuan annual grant which will diminish Yang di-Pertua, semenjak tahun 1870, proportionately until the Council is beberana buah Undang2 telah di-kuat able to be fully self-supporting. kuasakan bagi perlindongan perem- puan2 dan gadis2. Pada masa ini, kita The productivity movement has been mempunyai lima buah Undang2 yang gathering momentum, especially in berasingan yang maseh berjalan kuat Asia and productivity drives are being kuasa-nya di-dalam Negeri2 Tanah intensified by almost all newly deve- Melayu dan kebanyakan daripada isi loping countries. Malaysia should be kandongan-nya di-dapati telah lapok no exception. Through the autonomous dan tidak berfaedah lagi, oleh kerana National Productivity Council, we can Undang2 itu telah di-bentok untok increase efficiency in the industrial and di-sesuaikan dengan keadaan dan 1325 22 DECEMBER 1965 1326

kuasa pentadbiran yang ada pada xnasa tersebut sa-bagai tempat2 perlindongan itu. Kementerian saya bersama2 dengan mengikut Undang2 yang saya bentang- Jabatan Peguam Negara sedang ber= kan kapada Dewan ini di-bawah kuat- usaha menyediakan sa-buah Rang kuasa Undang2 Perlindongan Perem- Undang2 yang lengkap dan terbaharu puan2 dan Gadis2. bagi menggantikan Undang2 yang sudah lama itu. Sementara menant Wan Mutapha bin ]Fuji Wan Ark: per aksanaan Undang2 baharu2 ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-belum saya Kementerian saya akan terus mengam- mendengar Menteri yang berkenaan bil tindakan bagi menchegah dan berchakap berkenaan dengan Rang menghapuskan pelachoran dan peme- Undang2 ;ini, saya suka Rang Undang2 rasan perempuan2 dan gadis2 di-bawah ini, tujuan-nya sa-bagaimana yang di- kuat kuasa Undang2 yang ada. Di- sebutkan dalam Explanatory Statement bawah Undang2- yang berjalan sekarang di- s in i tidak ada dalam bah.asa ada terkand ong sharat2 bagi menahan Melayu, tetapi mengikut Explanatory perempuan2 dan gadis2 di-dalam Statements is berkata : tempat2 perlindongan, sementara "The Object of this Bill is to provide for menantikan perbicharaan atau pun the appointment of places of safety in which women and girls in need of protection can perentah Mahkamah, tetapi tidak sa- be detained. This is required because there orang pun di-beri kuasa di-bawah are at present five different laws in force Undang2 yang ada itu bagi melantek in the States of Malaya and consequently tempat2 perlindongan itu. Kuat kuasa there is no provision for central places of safety ...... " yang dahulu yang di -kanun di-dalam Undang2 Negeri Melayu Yang Ber- Jadi, saya sukakan tujuan Bill ini sekutu berkenaan dengan perkara ini supaya di-beri kuasa kapada pehak telah di-hapuskan dengan kuat kuasa yang berkenaan, umpama-nya mem- Undang2 No. 27 tahun 1947. buat satu tempat khas untok perlin- dongan wani tae atau pun gadis2 yang Ada-lah di-anggap perlu supaya akan di-tempatkan di-Pusat, umpama- tempat2 perlindongan yang di-gunakan nya di-Kuala Lumpur, dan hendak di- bagi menahan perempuan2- dan gadis2 ubah segala Undang2, umpama-nya sa-chara halal di-sisi Undang2 ini di- yang di-jumpal di-dalam lima Undang.2 tentukan. Oleh itu mustahak-lah di-dalam negeri di-Tanah Melayu. Te- d i -adakan undang2 bagi menentukan tapi mengikut Undang2 yang kedua ini; siapa-kah pehak yang berkuasa bagi nampak-nya memberi kuasa kapada mengishtiharkan sa-sabuah tempat bagi Kementerian ini supaya memileh sati. perlindongan untok maksud Undang2 tempat di-dalam Malaysia bukan yang ada sekarang. Undang2 telah di- Tanah Melayu sahaja mengikut bentangkan untok di-letakkan kuat- Unda.ng2 ini, tujuan Kerajaan lain, kuasa kapada Menteri Kebajikan `Am. tetapi mengikut Undang2 ini memberi Kementerian saya telah pun mengada- kuasa kapada Kementerian memileh kan sa-buah y. ayasan di-Kuala Lumpur sate tempat di-dalam Malaysia is-itu yang akan di-gunakan sa-bagai tempat berma`ana di-Sabah atau di-Sarawak perlindongan bagi penahanan dan di-mithalkan dan sebab itu ada pemulehan semua perempuan2- dan terang2 gadis2 yang telah di-perentah oleh Mahkamah untok di-terima di-situ. "(Whether or not. that place is situate in a part of the States of Malaya to which Di-bawah Undang2 Perlindongan that law applies)." Perempuan2 dan !gadis2, sa-buah lagi Boleh adi ma`ana-nya katakan-lah, yayasan di-Trengganu akan siap sedia orang itu datang daripada Kelantan di-bena sa-belum akhir tahun 1966 dan umpama-nya, daripada Kelantan da- a-buah lagi Pula: ada-lah di-ranching- hulu katakan-lah ada Undang2 Perlin- kan untok di-bena dalam jangka dengan Gadis2- atau Wanita2 ini dan Ranchangan Pembangunan Malaysia dengan Undang2 hari ini, harus-lah Yang Pertama. di-luluskan. Jikalau-lah Kementerian Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya men- ini dengan kehendak hati-nya sendiri chadangkan mengishtiharkan yayasan dia berma`ana dia lebeh suka hendak 1327 22 DECEMBER 1965 1328 hantar gadis2 atau perempuan2 Melayu it is due to an oversight not my over- tidak mahu dudok dalam Tanah sight. Malaysia was mentioned in Melayu, kena buat sa-buah tempat Clause 2 of the Bill, whereas it was perlindongan ini di-Sabah. mi boleh. intended to refer to the States of Jadi di-mana-kah jaminan, saga per- Malaya. I must apologise for this. I chaya wanita Melayu datang daripada have not seen the amendment to Clause Kelantan, Trengganu, Kedah, Perak 2 which is to correct this mistake. atau mana2 pun tidak mahu, tidak suka, tidak bersetuju, barangkali sa- Explanatory Statement di-sini is-itu umpama-nya di-hantar ka-satu tempat berlainan dengan Bill yang warna hijau sa-umpama di-Sabah atau di-Sarawak. ini, yang puteh kadang2 tidak nampak, Bukan saya berniat hendak menjatoh- fasal puteh ini, tetapi saya berchakap kan negeri Sabah dan Sarawak, tetapi yang hijau ini. Dalam hal bagitu pun memang-lah orang Melayu atau orang saya hendak bertanya kapada Yang bangsa Melayu, memang patut suka Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan itu. jikalau-lah di-hantar dapat dekat Ada-kah niat Kerajaan hendak meng- negeri yang dia dudok lama2. Kalau hantar orang perempuan atau pun Kelantan di-hantar di-Kota Bharu gadis saperti anak dara itu dan ada-kah lebeh baik, di-Kuala Lumpur pun tidak beza-nya umpama-nya perempuan itu mengapa, tetapi kalau di-hantar ka- maseh dapat perlindongan, tetapi Sabah tidak boleh. Jadi buat fikiran perempuan ini kata-lah anak dara, saya pelek di-atas ini berbunyi : kalau tidak anak dara pun. Sunggoh "Where any law in force in any part of pun Iebeh dari umor 18 atau pun 20 the States of Malaya relating to the protec- tahun, tetapi bukan orang j ahat sangat. tion of women and girls provides for the Ada-kah kita hendak champor dengan detention of any woman or girl in place kata-lah perempuan yang telah niasok of safety, the Minister may, by notification in the Gazette, appoint any place in any jail lima enam kali yang berumor. 25 part of Malaysia." tahun itu. Dan yang kedua pula, What I would like to ask is, why not, nampak-nya di-sini di-sebutkan `where instead of that use: any law enforced in • any part of "The Minister may by notification in the the State of...... ' berma`ana apa Gazette, appoint any place in any part of undang2 di-dalam sa-buah negeri the States of Malaya." Tanah Melayu ini boleh di-kaitkan di- Bagitu juga di-bahagian atas, sebab sini. Ada-kah termasok undang2 kits berchakap State of Malaya, Muslim Law? Ada-kah umpama-nya undang2 yang lapok, yang tidak bagus, jikalau ada undang2 Islam yang bagi yang kotor, yang dalam itu daripada perlindongan kapada gadis atau pun lima enam undang2 daripada satu dan perempuan Islam itu? Ada-kah dengan sekarang kita pusing pergi kapada Bill ini Rangy Undang2 ini _ Kerajaan State of Malaysia dan yang kedua-nya, Pusat ini boleh menarekkan bagi per- saya juga hendak bertanya juga ada- lindongan kapada, umpama-nya, gadis2 ka.h fiat Kerajaan. Jikalau di-sini dan peremnuan vans di-Iindon^kan di- di-sebutkan women and girls, kalau bawah undang2 Islam yang kechil? girl; perempuan yang muda anak da ra Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr Presi- barangkali dan ada-kah niat Kerajaan dent, Sir, may I ask the Honourable hendak hantar.. kalau perempuan itu Minister, by way of elucidation, as to patut dapat perlindongan anak dara the main purpose of this Bill? It says umor 14-16 tahun berchampor dengan "protection". What kind of protection perempuan yang lain yang berumor is envisaged? It says "women and 30-40 tahun perempuan juga yang girls." Are all, women and girls of kata-lah moral-nya tidak ada, whatever religious denomination and umpama-nya saya tidak berani hendak racial background covered by these sebut di-sini. Ada-kah dengan fiat words? And then the word "detention" undang2 ini ...... is rather an unhappy connotation, Somebody has pointed out that we because it implies some form of have got here an amendment. Well, compulsion, it implies some kind of 1329 22 DECEMBER 1965 1330 misdeeds on the part of women and kalau tiada undang2 ini dan kelulusan girls concerned. May be the Honourable Undang2 ini, saya tidak boleh buat Minister will give some. explanation demikian. as to why this Bill is introduced as Tadi ` Senator Athi Nahappan ber- expressed. tanya, `what kind of protection, perlindongan sa-umpama mana? Jadi Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: orange ini ada-lah orange yang di- Tuan Yang di Pertua, berkenaan hantar menerusi perentah mahkamah. dengan perkara yang di-bangkitkan Jadi orange ini kita bagi perlindongan oleh Senator Wan Mustapha tadi rasa is-itu supaya kita rehabilitate is-itu saya perkara2 yang di-bangkitkan sama di-beri orang ini latehan, latehan ada gadis2 daripada sini hendak di- supaya apabila mereka telah d i-beri hantarkan ka-Sabah. Saya rasa, Bill ini latehan telah chukup masa-nya dia telah pun di-edarkan dengan satu dalam perlindongan rumah2 ini, apa- pindaan kapada Rumah mi. bila dia keluar, dia boleh-lah menchari Jadi perkara lagi satu di-tanya oleh nafkah-nya dengan chara yang halal. sa-orang Ahli berapa-kah undang2 atau Itu tujuan-nya. sama ada masok dalam undang2 Islam Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: dan sa-bagai-nya. Lima undang2 saya Ma`ana-nya Undang2 ini is-lah undang2 sebutkan tadi yang ada berasingan bagi pemulehan bagi perempuan2 dan tiap2 satu Negeri is-itu sekarang mi i 5 anak2 gadis. Perkataan "pemulehan" undang2 is-itu the Women and Girls dengan perkataan "perlindongan" ini Protection Enactment, Federated Malay saya rasa kedua2 sa-kali itu kena States; the Women and Girls Protection masok kedua2 sebab tidak ma`ana dia Enactment of the State of Johore, the mesti berlainan. Kalau hendak kata Women and Girls Protection Enact- "perlindongan" ma`ana si-laki2 ini ment, State of Kedah, the Women and hendak kapada perempuan itu, jadi Girls Protection Enactment, State of terpaksa perempuan itu pergi di-letak- Perlis, the Women and Girls Protec- kan kapada satu tempat untok tion Ordinance of the Straits Settle- melindong daripada satu perkara yang ments dan lain daripada itu F.M.S. tidak baik. Jadi kalau kita kata Enactment itu, ada-lah di-sambong ka- "pemulehan" "perlindongan", pemu- negeri Trengganu dan Kelantan juga lehan ma`ana-nya, kalau satu mengikut the Women and Girls perempuan di-hambat oleh satu jantan, Protection Enactment Extension to umpama-nya, kita bawa satu tempat Trengganu Ordinance, 1956, and the melindongkan dia sambil melindong Women and Girls Protection Enact- itu mesti memulehkan dia kerana si- ment to Kelantan Ordinance, 1956. perempuan itu tidak baik perangai-nya. Jadi tujuan dan maksud ini ada-lah Jadi terpaksa di-puleh. sekarang ini di-katakan orange yang Jadi saya rasa ini mesti mengandongi kena hukum di-bawah undang2 negeri dua perkataan yang berasingan, ini Kelantan, orange itu hanya boleh di- mesti di-masokkan dalam Undang2 ini masokkan rumah di-Kelantan sahaja, baharu-lah kena dengan kehendak tidak boleh di-masokkan tempat yang Undang2 itu. Kalau tidak di-masokkan lain, (Central Place) tidak dapat, orange "pemulehan", ada-kah Undang2 itu yang kena hukum di-Perlis tiada boleti mempunyai hak dan kuasa untok di-letakkan di-tempat lain. Undang2 memulehkan perempuan itu kalau ini memberi kuasa kapada saya, sa- tidak di-masokkan, kalau sa-kira-nya bagai Menteri Kebajikan `Am menerusi memada dengan perlindongan sahaja.. undang2 yang di-kemukakan ka-Rumah Saya rasa chuma kita . melindong,. pada hari ini supaya boleh di-masok- bagitu-lah saudara kita Athi Nahappan kan ka-satu rumah (central) atau bertanya hendak lindongan daripada rumah di-mana sa-kali pun. Orang apa? Jadi saya rasa itu pun menasabah Kelantan boleh di-hantar ka-Kuala sebab tujuan hendak melindong itu Lumpur, bagitu juga orang Trengganu, mesti ada satu benda yang hendak bagitu juga di-tempat2 yang lain. Jadi menangkapkan benda itu atau hendak 1331 22 DECEMBER 1965 1332 merbahaya umpama-nya, hendak lin- Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid . Khan: dong. Jadi kalau hendak memulehkan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 Gadis itu perkara lain, satu budak yang dan Dara yang di-tunjokkan di-dalam sudah rosak akhlak-nya di-masokkan Jadual kapada Undang2 ini, yang kapada satu rumah untok membaiki sekarang di-bentangkan dalam Dewan akhlak, ma`ana-nya rumah pemulehan ini, telah di-kuat kuasakan sa-belum akhlak, umpama-nya, itu lain ma`ana- perang dahulu, bagi mengawal pen- nya. Jadi saya meminta penjelasan. jualan anak2 perempuan yang berumor di-bawah 18 tahun, untok rnaksud Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: menggunakan mereka sa-bagai hamba Tuan Yang di-Pertua, undang2-nya di-rumah is-itu satu perbuatan yang ada-lah di-kandongkan dalam undang2 biasa di-amalkan dalam negeri ini yang lima yang saya sebutkan tadi. pada awal2 kurun yang kedua puloh. Undang2 ini hanya memberi kuasa Gadis2 ini atau pun Mui Tsai, mengi- kapada Menteri Kebajikan supaya kut istilah yang di-gunakan oleh menentukan rumah2 (to provide for orange China, telah di-perolehi dengan places of safety) menentukan sahaja jalan pemberian hadiah atau pun rumah mana boleh di-tempatkan or. ang2 pusaka, atau pun dengan jalan tebusan itu. bagi menyelesaikan hutang-piutang. Nik Hassan : °Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Sa-telah berpindah milek, anak2 gadis maksud Bill . ini ada satu Undang2 ini biasa-nya di-gunakan sa-bagai main law bersabit dengan rehabilita- orange surohan yang tidak bergaj i dan tion? di-beri sara hidup yang sa-rendah2-nya, bagi perkhidmatan mereka. Amalan Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: ini telah berjalan sa-hingga lebeh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam uchapan kurang sampai tahun 1932.apabila saya tadi, saya sudah bagi tahu is-itu undang2 telah di-kuatkuasakan bagi sekarang ini dengan pehak Legal menahan pengambilan gadis dara Draf tman dan Kementerian saya dalam Negeri2 Selat, dalam Negeri2 sedang menggubal satu undang2 yang Melayu Bersekutu, dan negeri2 Johor lengkap untok menggantikan undang2 dan Kedah. Kemudian Undang2 yang yang lima ini, yang ada sekarang. sa-rupa juga telah di-kuatkuasakan Question put, and agreed to. di-Kelantan dan Trengganu. Di-sam- ping tindakan menghapuskan pem- Bill accordingly read a second time, bahagian gadis2 dara ini, undang2 itu and committed to a Committee of the juga telah mengadakan berbagai2 whole House. sharat bagi pendaftaran gadis2 dara House immediately resolved itself yang telah di-perolehi dengan jalan into a Committee on the Bill. bagitu dan bagi mengawal akhlak, Bill considered in Committee. tuboh badan dan kepentingan mereka. Dengan ada-nya undang2 ini, bilangan (Mr President in the Chair) Mui Tsai telah berkurangan dan tidak Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand berapa lama lagi sa-lepas itu, amalan part of the Bill. ini telah hapus sama sa-kali Bill reported without amendment : Pada masa ini pemerasan perem- read the third time and passed. puan2 dan gadis2 yang berumor ka- bawah daripada 14 tahun ada-lah di- THE MU! TSAI (REPEAL) BILL larang di-bawah kuatkuasa Undang2 Second Reading Kanak2 dan Orange Muda tahun 1947. Sementara itu penambahan dan per- Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, niagaan gadis2 dan perempuan2 untok I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an maksud pelachoran pula, ada-lah di- Act to repeal certain legislation relating tegah di-bawah kuatkuasa Penal Code to Mui Tsai" be read a second time. dan Undang2 Perlindon^an Perempuan2 Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second dan Gadis2. Undang2 Gadis Dara yang the motion. di-nyatakan di-dalam Jadual kapada 1333 22 DECEMBER 1965 1334

Rang Undang2 ini telah lapok dan Fund. The amendment proposed in this lama dan tidak berguna lagi. Dan oleh Bill is, therefore, necessary to bring the itu mustahak-lah di-mansokhkan. Employment Ordinance into line with the Employees Provident Fund Ordi- Question put, and agreed to. nance and to facilitate inspection and Bill accordingly read a second time, enforcement of both the laws. and committed to a Committee of the whole House. Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: Mr Presi- dent, Sir, I would like to ask the House immediately resolved itself Minister of Labour if he considers that into a Committee on the Bill. this is really practicable. Can he Bill considered in Committee. enforce it? To my knowledge, Sir, (Mr President in the Chair) there is something like 250,000 small- Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand holders, a . large number of whom part of the Bill. employ one person on what is known as `bagi dua' system. Does he really Schedule ordered to stand part of think that these people will keep a the Bill. register, Sir,? I wonder if he could Bill reported without amendment: elucidate on that. Thank you. read the third time and passed. Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, THE EMPLOYMENT (AMEND- it is the intention to enforce this law MENT) BILL and that is why we have brought the law, Sir. Second Reading Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, Nik Hassan : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I beg to move that a Bill intituled, "an saya faham pertanyaan Dato' Crawford Act to amend the Employment Ordi- itu pada segi Undang2 ini, termasok nance, 1955" be read a second time. barangkali juga orange yang hekerja sa-bagai pawah, bukan buroh yang Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second bergaji di-estate. Ma`ana-nya pekerja2 the motion. yang menoreh getah yang berpawah Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, dengan tuan kebun itu, ada-kah di-kira this Bill seeks to amend Sub-section (1) di-bawah Undang2 ini, mesti tuan of Section 61 of the Employment kebun itu registerkan sa-bagaimana Ordinance, 1955. By virtue of this small-holders. Saya i ngat itu patut di- amendment, every employer employing fahamkan. even one labourer has to maintain a Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, register or registers containing such this law would apply to those who information regarding every labourer come under the definition of in his employ as may be prescribed by "labourer", except those who are regulations made under this Ordinance. employed as domestic servants, and to As it now stands, Sub-section (1) of enforce this, of course, people who are Section 61 of the Employment Ordi- employing even one person, will have nance requires only employers to keep the E.P.F. contribution slips employing five or more labourers to so that we could be in a position to maintain such registers. There is, there- check. fore, some difficulty in enforcing the provisions of the Employment Ordi- Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr Presi-. nance in places of employment where dent, Sir, if I remember correctly, the there are less than five labourers. definition of "labourer" in the Employ- Besides this, the existing provision is ment Ordinance relates to manual also not in line with the Employees work, I think, and it provides an Provident Fund Ordinance, the Second exception in so far as the domestic Schedule of which has been amended servants are concerned. I am wondering on 1st December, 1964, making it whether in the case of a gardener, say obligatory for an employer employing a full-time gardener, who does manual even one employee to contribute to the work in the garden, is he to be treated 1.335 22 DECEMBER 1965 1336

as a domestic servant . or a manual Enche' V. Manickavasagam: In labourer, and if so whether he is certain establishments at the moment, covered by this? there are already registers kept by employers for wage purposes. Where Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir, if we find that, under the new Ordinance, the gardener is employed in the house- even one person has been brought into hold, he becomes a domestic servant. this E.P.F. contribution, we allow But if he is in a company where he employers to keep these E.P.F. contri- receives his salary from a company butory receipts for proof of record. establishment, then he comes under the Employment Ordinance. He does not Enche' Amaluddin bin Darus: Tuan get exception. But, Sir, all the same, Yang di-Pertua, saya sukachita hendak if the domestic servant opts to con- menyatakan saya menyokong Bill mi. tribute, the employer has to contribute Tetapi sukachita saya hendak ber- under the amended E.P.F. Ordinance. cha&ap sadikit, kerana Biil ini di-buat bagi membe;a kepentingan buroh, di- Dato' J. E. S. Crawford: On a point dasarkan kapada tiap2 majikan mesti of clarification, can the Minister defi- contribute membayar bahagian pro- nitely say whether he expects all vident fund-nya. Oleh kerana Bill ini small-holders in this country to keep di-maksudkan bagi pembelaan nasib a register? That is the question I am buroh, saya ingin mengetahui bagai- asking on behalf of the small-holders mana ranchangan Kerajaan tidak ada- who form part of the Rubber Produ- kah di-fikirkan tentang nasib buroh cers Council, and I am very sure they j uga mengena soal2 ini, is-itu sa-orang will be interested to know, Sir. Thank buroh, mithal-nya, kata lima orang you. buroh bekerja dengan satu majikan majikan itu mesti mendaftarkan dan Enche' V. Manickavasagam: I think dia itu mesti contribute bagi provident they will have to keep these E.P.F. . fund. Tetapi kalau sa-orang daripada contribution slips which we would be buroh yang di-daftarkan itu kemudian- using for inspection purposes. nya, saperti yang telah terjadi dalam Enche' Athi Nahappan: The negeri kita ini, ada orange yang telah Honourable Minister just now said, membayar provident fund, kemudian "if the domestic servant opts to con- itu dia berhenti kerja, dan dia sudah tribute". Is this question of option meniaga, sampai sekarang 100,00 lebeh, purely unilateral or is it mutual? In ruling perniagaan itu sedang berjalan, other words, if the domestic servant dan menyimpan 50 labourers pula says, "I want to contribute", is the yang dia membayar provident fund employer obligated to contribute or contribute pula. Sedanukan duit dia can he say "I do not agree"? yang ada dalam provident fund itu tidak pernah di-dapati balek, dan Enche' V. Manickavsagam: The memang ti dak berhak dia dapat balek employer has to. It is obligatory. kerana tiua sebab tadi yang boleti niendapatkan balek wang ifu. Jadi Dato' J. F. S. Crawford : On further tidak-lah di-fikirkan oleh Keraiaan point of clarification The Minister has dalam membuat sa-barang undang2 just said that they have to keep the biar flexible. Kalau undang2 itu tidak E.P.F. slips. May I take it, Sir, that flexible, erti-nya mesti kaku, dia tidak that can act as a register? ada memberi erti apa. Dan saya harap Kerajaan harus memikirkan ju2a En^he' V. Manick vasagam: Yec, masaalah ini dari sudut kepentingan Sir. The E.P.F. contribution slips, if buroh itu sendiri. they can keep it for six months, we take it as a sort of register. Enche' V. Manickavasaj!am: Mr President, Sir, fiat of a11. this is out- Enche' A thi Nqhar►ncun: On a point side the scone of this Bill; that comes of clarification, Sir What kind of a under the E.P.F. Ordinanc°. Sir, the register is a person expected to keep? purpose of the E.P.F. Ordinance is 1337 22 DECEMBER 1965 1338 for old-age and as the Honourable kan tindakan di-ambil ka-atas bekas2 Member just said, it is only for four Pegawai Sharikat yang telah melaku- reasons that they can withdraw. He kan kechurangan. says, if I get him correctly } that certain Dengan ada-nya Fasal 4, 8, 9 dan 10 people who have been contributing itu, maka Pendattar telah di-beri kuasa may become employers themselves and tambahan yang mana amat-lah perlu employing more workers themselves. bagi menjatankan peratoran2 Undang2 But, Sir, we also know of cases where dengan lebeh berkesan. Dan dengan people employ labourers today and ada-nya Fasal 7 dan 12 pula, maka they are themselves employed the day bekas2 pegawai sa-barang Sharikat after tomorrow. So, if we allow people Kerjasama yang berdaf tar, saperti to withdraw, I am sure there would yang di-terangkan dalam Fasal 2, be a lot of synthetic employers boleh-lah di-samara oleh Pendaf tar atau (Laughter.) sa-barang orang yang di-tugaskan Question put and agreed to. oleh-nya untok memberi keterangan2 Bill accordingly read a second time mengenai semua pelaksanaan2 dan and committed to a Committee of the urusan2 yang telah di-j alankan oleh- whole House. nya dan pegawai2 tersebut akan House immediately resolves itself bertanggong-j awab di-atas sa-barang into a Committee on the Bill. peianggaran peratoran2 Undang2 ini atau perentah2 yang terkanun di- Bill considered in Committee. bawah-nya yang tellah di-lakukan oleh (Mr President in the Chair) mereka sa-masa memegang jawatan Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand sa-bagai pegawai. part of the Bill. Sekshen 30 dallam Undang2 lama Bill reported without amendment : di-pinda dengan .cheraian dan dengan read the third time and passed. itu maka boleh-lah pinj aman2 di-beri- kan kapada kakitangan2 yang bekerja THE CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES dalam sa-sabuah Sharikat Kerjasama. (AMENDMENT) BILL Ini ada-lah di-fikirkan sa-bagai satu perkhidmatan yang hares di-perluas- Second Reading kan kapada pekerja2 saperti tersebut. Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, Cheraian 6 meminda dan menugas I beg to move that a Bill intituled sa-mula Sekshen 37 yang memboleh- "an Act to amend the Co-operative kan keuntongan2 berseh sa-buah Societies Ordinance, 1948" be read a Sharikat Kerjasama di-bahagi2kan second time. mengikut ketetapan2 yang terkandong da :am Sekshen 34(2), tetani sa-belum Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second sa-barang pembahagian itu di-buat, the motion. maka sa-jumlah wang saperti yang Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: di-tetapkan dalam Sekshen 34(1) yang Tan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 baharu, hendak-lah di-pindahkan dari- Sharikat Kerjasama, semenjak berja- pada keuntongan berseh itu ter'ebeh. Ian kuat-kuasa-nya dalam tahun 1948 dahulu. Sekshen 58 dalam Undang2 dahulu lagi, di-dapati perlu di-buat lama di-perkemaskan dengan Cheraian beberapa pindaan berda.sarkan kapada 12 dan dengan itu akan dapat mem- pengalaman2 yang telah di-pero'_ehi perhebatkan hukuman yang akan dan kapada kemajuan2 Sharikat di-j alankan. Kerjasama sekarang mi. Beberapa kesulitan2 t&ah di-hadapi dalam men- Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr Pre- jalankan peratoran2 dalam Undang2 sident, Sir, in welcoming this Bill, Sharikat Kerjasama tahun 1948 ter- I should like to make certain utama sa-kali di-^ebabkan &eh tidak observations. chukun kuasa yang di-berikan kapada As the Exp'anatory Note states the Pendaftar Sharikat2 Kerjasama dan various amendments sounht to the ketiadaan peratoran yang memboleh- present Ordinance and the reasons 1339 22 DECEMBER 1965 1340 therefor, I shall not go into them, but tually this might lead to the society I should like to draw the attention being nose-led, too much paternalism of the Honourable Minister to some of might come in, and the spirit of self- the amendments and ask for some reliance on the part of the societies assurances which are necessary in my may be infringed, and the societies opinion. may not cultivate the self-reliance attitude. I hope some clarification can In regard to Clause 3 of the Bill, be given on these. it enabies anyone to appeal against the refusal of the Registrar within The co-operative officer should not two months. The present provision is be expected to go and control and one month. The present provision is manage the affairs of co-operative stated in section 7 of the Ordinance. societies, thereby almost killing the I should like to ask whether, when autonomous spirit of the societies. the refusal is made, the grounds of Since it is a new provision, I would the refusal would be made known to solicit an explanation here, so that it the parties concerned, so that when will serve as guidance to the societies the application or appeal is made to hereafter. the Minister, the appellant will have all the grounds of refusal and he can As regards Clause 5, this again is a meet the case by stating the necessary new addition in that loans may be defence. If simply a blanket refusal is made to the employees i.e. employees given without stating the reasons, very should have this luxury of receiving often the appellant is at a loss and he loans from the societies, if they are not may not be able to meet the case members. Under this provision, an effectively. employee need not be a member to receive benefits from the society. I As regards Clause 4, there is a new should have thought that the society's provision being introduced as section main purpose is to help its members. An 11A to the present Ordinance. Under employee may be an employee today this every registered society shall give and he may some time later resign and to the Registrar notice of all meetings. go elsewhere. Is it safe to lend him The words "all meetings" here cover, money? After all, he does not bind I imagine, every type of meeting himself to serve the society indefinitely: Committee meetings, Sub-committee and if he goes away, then the society meetings, whatever kind of meetings. will be in an awkward position of If a society is required to give notice having to take action to recover this of all meetings, then how many days money. On the other hand, a member notice is necessary, i.e. how many days may be deprived of the benefit to that notice before a meeting is held, should extent. I should like to hear the reasons be given to the Registrar? What kind behind this and the principle on this. of notice is to be given oral notice It seems to me that this cuts across or written notice? the basic principle of co-operative societies. If he wants to seek the This new provision, again, enables benefits of the society by obtaining the Registrar or any person authorised loan, what is the difficulty in becoming by the Registrar to attend the meetings a member or obligated to become a and to take part in the business of the member before he seeks the benefit of meetings. This appears to be some- the society? what sweeping. If he is to take part in the meeting, what is his role, what As regards Clause 6, section 34 of kind of participation is envisaged by the - Principal Ordinance has been him? After all, we want the Ministry, repealed and a new provision is intro- the Commissioner of Co-operative duced. Now, under this the Minister. Societies, to guide and to enlighten the not the Registrar, is given powers, and societies but not to go to the extent of the first part of Clause 6 relating to participating in the affairs of the Section 34 (1) gives a mandatory societies. This would mean that even- power to the Minister, that is to have 1341 22 DECEMBER 1965 1342 one-fourth or such lesser sum as the adequately, so as to deem that there Ministry may prescribe shall be carried will be the right of being heard in to a Reserve Fund. Well, this is as it person. It merely says that "the is now, except that the Minister takes Registrar may, after considering the over the power. Then the second part facts disclosed in an inquiry or inspec- of it seems to intrigue me. Here- it tion under Section 37 and if he deems says "such sum as the Ministry may it necessary in the interest of the from time to time determine shall be society ..... The word "inquiry" may paid to any educational institution or imply that he may have heard the to any co-operative organisation estab- parties concerned, or he may have lished for the furtherance of the made his own departmental inquiry co-operative principles, or to both". through his Co-operative Officers This appears to me that all that is without actually giving opportunity of needed is for the Minister, whenever being heard to the parties concerned. he likes, to stipulate a sum, whatever That is what I would like to be the sum is, and then to direct that clarified, so that it will be a guidance sum, be handed over to any educational hereafter. institution or any co-operative organi- Again, Clause 8, Sub-clause (6) says sation. This seems to give wide power "Notwithstanding the foregoing pro- to the Minister -I do not know why visions the Registrar may by order and it seems to take away a certain remove any person or members of the asset of the co-operative society for committee or any employee of the the benefit, perhaps, of promoting society if it is. in the interests of the co-operative principles or any co-opera- society for him to do; and any tive institution. But it seems such a vacancies created by such removal mandatory provision and I only hope shall be filled in the 'manner provided that the Minister' will use such in the by-laws of the society." 'Here, mandatory provision with great caution the word "inquiry" is absent. It looks and discretion. that the Registrar from information As regards Clause 8, this again received might simply take action of introduces a new section. Section his own accord to remove a member 37 (A). It is of- course, both necessary of the committee from his post. Now, and indeed very sweeping. It gives this might be a very serious or drastic the Registrar power to suspend, all or action, which might involve not only, piny of the activities" of the society for perhaps, the livelihood of a person but such period as he shall specify, or also the reputation of the person, and, suspend or dissolve the committee of if a person is removed like that, it the society. Now, in this case I hope carries the necessary implications, and that, when' it is exercised by the before this power is exercised,} It is Registrar, the principles of natural only fair to expect that a" member of justice will be adhered to that . is to the committee, before he is removed, say, that before 'he suspends 'unilate- should be given the opportunity of rally, or dissolves unilaterally, he being heard that is to say the natural would give an opportunity of being principles of justice should be observed. heard, so that at least the principles Sub-clause (7) says that ` , any of natural justice would be respected; aggrieved persons may within 21 days otherwise; if the Registrar is simply appeal to the Minister. In practice, we going to suspend or dissolve, then the know that if an appeal is made to the society would be simply left with the Minister -- the Minister is` a very diffi- remedy of appealing to the Minister, cult person to be seen he may not and the appeal to the Minister may be hear any appeal in person and it is only by way of record and there may only usually by way of record, and not be the advantage of having to after 'reading the record it is enter- appear in person and to meet the case, tained or rejected. So, since this is a whatever it is. The section here, or the very sweeping power, I hope that, Clause here, does not spell it out when it is exercised, it will be exercised 1343 22 DECEMBER 1965 1344 in great caution, and after making real kuasa kita tidak dapat bayar hutang. enquiries and after hearing the parties Nanti orang yang di-beri kuasa oleh concerned. These are the observations Registrar itu di-da`awa di-mahkamah that I would like to make as the powers kerana tak membayar hutang. Jadi given to the Registrar are very committee yang sedia sudah berhenti, sweeping, and I hope that they will sudah di-gantongkan jawatan, di- be used with j udical discretion. buangkan darn committee. Committee yang di-lantek oleh Registrar ini sudah Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik Yahya: kena da`awa pula kerana tidak mem- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak bayar hutang. Jadi ini saya hendak bertanya sadikit kapada Menteri yang tanya macham mana chara tadbiran berkenaan kalau ada Menteri yang itu hendak di-buat. boleh jawab dalam Fasal 8, di-beri kuasa kapada Pendaftar supaya mem- Kalau sa-kira-nya kita hendak bubarkan atau menggantongkan satu2 champor hendak mengambil alehkan badan yang di-daftarkan di-bawah kuasa mentadbirkan sharikat itu, mesti- Undang2 Co-operative ini dan di-beri lah kita juga mempunyai kuasa, mem- kuasa pula kapada Pendaftar boleh ber wang untok menjalankan sharikat melantek orang lain atau badan lain itu untok membaiki sharikat itu. mi menjalankan society itu. Itu mengikut maksud saya. Barangkali harus-lah Rang Undang2 yang ada mi. tujuan hendak membaiki. Jadi kalau tujuan hendak membaiki, ada-kah Jadi saya hendak bertanya, sekarang Menteri ini berchadang akan di-beri kita katakan-lah ada satu Co-operative wang yang chukup untok dapat ber- Society menjalankan perniagaan-nya jalan sa-mula sharikat itu? dan di•dapati banyak terhutang, rugi, bengkerap, katakan-la.h bengkerap ber- Sebab-nya saya tahu hari ini banyak puloh2 ribu, katakan hutang. Baik ! sharikat2 kerjasama ini tak boleh Apabila Pendaftar ini menyiasat di- berjalan, rugi-lah macham2 hal-lah dapati nampak-nya Society ini tak berlaku. Kemudian barangkali harus boleh berjalan; bila ta' boleh berjalan kalau Undang2 ini berjalan, banyak dia gantongkan atau pun Pendaftar society atau pun sharikat kerjasama mengambil langkah membuangkan yang akan terpaksa di-gunakan kuat- committee itu di-bawah Undang2 kuasa mi. Jadi ini-lah yang saya ini suspend-kah? atau dissolvekan hendak bertanya sadikit. committee Society itu, kemudian di- Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Ahmad: lantek orang lain menjalankan Society Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tompang itu. Jadi sekarang ada-kah orang yang mengambil bahagian dalam Rang di-lantek oleh Pendaftar itu boleh Undang2 mi. Saperti mana yang tuan2 membayar hutang2 yang di-tanggong sedia ma`alum, bahawa tujuan besar- oleh Society itu? Kalau orang yang nya pindaan ini di-buat is-lah kerana menjalankan kerja yang di-beri kuasa hendak membaiki keadaan perjalanan oleh Pendaftar itu tak boleh membayar Sharikat Kerjasama dan juga hendak hutang, siapa hendak bayarkan hutang meluaskan gerakan-nya supaya dapat itu? maju dan Jaya dan beberapa kuasa yang Jadi maksud saya, kita beri kuasa tertentu telah di-beri kapada pehak2 kapada satu orang menjalankan shari- yang berkenaan. Jadi khusus-nya is-lah kat itu tetapi kita tidak beri modal dia dengan di-terima pindaan Undang2 ini, untok menjalankan sharikat itu jadi maka pergerakan kerjasama akan ber- ada-kah Pendaftar itu boleh rekomend, gerak maju pada masa hadapan dan ma`ana-nya sharikat ini sudah tak tanggong-jawab-nya akan bertambah boleh berjalan di-tarekkan kuasa dari- lebeh daripada yang ada sekarang. t^ada committee itu dan la ntek orang Jadi saya dalam perkara ini, saya lain menjalankan dan ada-kah Regis- hendak minta menarek perhatian trar itu sanggup memberi modal Kementerian yang berkenaan is-itu kapada orang lain untok menjalankan pada masa ini tanggong-jawab Kemen- sharikat itu? Kalau tidak kita ambit terian Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja- 1345 22 DECEMBER 1965 1346 sama ini chukup-lah luas yang mans ingatan Kerajaan sa-telah dapat kita ini meliputi semua pergerakan2 yang menj alankan satu penyiasatan yang mengandongi atau pun jurusan baha- rapi, Keraj aan akan menghapuskan gian yang mengandongi orange di-luar hutang2 yang lapok yang ada pada hari bandar kemaj uan di-luar bandar, ini? Sekian, terima kaseh. khas-nya. Jadi ada-kah pada masa : Mr President, tidak beberapa lama lagi kita perchaya Dato' Foo See Moi Sir, I would like to get clarification pergerakan sharikat kerj asama ini under Clause 4. After a little discussion macham mana, kata saya tadi, akan with my colleague here, I find that the bertambah maju dan beberapa tang- amendment is to entitle the Registrar gong-jawab akan bertambah. Jadi to send anybody to attend any meeting ada-kah pada ingatan Kementerian and to take part in the business of akan menambahkan sa-orang Menteri the meeting. I would like to ask the Muda saperti mana yang ada di- Minister whether taking part is actually Kementerian Belia, Kebudayaan dan tantamount to sharing certain respon- Sokan? Kerana pada masa ini tidak sibilities of running the society. If it kurang lima jurusan is-itu Pertanian, is so and the Registrar has the right Pant dan Taliayer, Kerjasama, Per- under the power given under Clause 8 ikanan dan Haiwan. Jadi kalau (Section 37A) to take action against di-tambahkan sharikat kerj asama ini the society, then I think that is a little yang mana akan maju pada masa bit conflicting. I would like the Minis- hadapan, tentu-lah bertambah banyak ter to enlighten me whether taking part tanggong-jawab dan kerja2 yang akan in business really means sharing in the di-jalankan. discussion of opinions and putting up Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- suggestions, etc. I have no grudge in Pertua, pada masa yang lalu, pada giving power to the Registrar, but to tahun ini saya mithalkan, is-itu dalam take part in the business is sharing orange yang bertanggong-jawab bagi the responsibility of running the memajukan, memberi nasihat dan society. mentadbir pergerakan Sharikat Kerja- sama ini is-lah Pesurohjaya Kemajuan Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Kerjasama. Jadi pada tahun yang lalu Mr President, Sir, with respect to the dalam masa yang tidak sampai sa- observations made by the Honourable tahun, sampai tiga kali pertukaran, Senator Athi Nahappan concerning ada-kah sa-telah pindaan ini di-buat, Clause 3 in respect of grounds for sa-telah Sharikat Kerj asama bertambah appeal, I would refer him to Rule 7 maju, pertukaran itu akan berlaku of the Co-operative Societies Rules sa-hingga tidak ^empat si-tuan yang which requires that the officer con- mengetuai itu membuat apa2 ran- cerned must record his ground for changan? coming to a decision. Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di- As regards Clause 4, the number of Pertua, pergerakan Sharikat Kerjasama days in respect of which the notice dengan ini akan bertambah maju pada must be given that is covered again masa hadapan, tetapi saperti mana by the Co-operative Societies Rules yang telah kita ketahui, beberapa according to Clause 11, fifteen days' halangan telah berlaku dan halangan notice must be given. There are many itu akan di-atasi dengan Rang things concerning meetings and so on Undang2 mi. Jadi satu perkara which appear in the Co-operative yang berkait rapat sama dengan maju Societies Rules rather than in the main atau mundor gerakan Sharikat Kerja- Ordinance for obvious reason because sama hari ini kerana ada satu perkara we want a certain amount of flexibility. yang telah berakar umbi, yang telah As we go along we will remedy the membawa kapada sadikit sa-banyak defects, and the easiest way to deal kegagalan dalam Sharikat Kerjasama with that will be by regulations, except ini tentang hutang2 lapok. Boleh-kah in matters of very important funda- saya mendapat tahu ada-kah pada mental principles. 1347 22 DECEMBER 1965 1348

Clause 5 concerning loans to further down the 10% of the net profits employees, Mr President, Sir, is really also is provided for charitable a matter of opinion. The Government purposes? feels that once a person has been employed by a society it should give Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: him some sort of facilities so that he Mr President, Sir, we want to be can feel that he really is being looked specific like to raise funds for the after by the society. Co-operative College and I think we There is of course the point made by have decided that the Minister is the the Honourable Member that the proper person to fix the amount rather employees themselves should be than leaving it to the officials. required to join as members of a On Clause 8, both the Honourable society. I am not sure whether the Members, Senator Athi Nahappan and majority of them do, but we do feel also Yang Berhormat Dato' Foo See that even if they do not join, they Moi, have given the opinion that the should get this sort of facility as is new Section 37A is rather sweeping given in many other employments. and would like some clarification. Of course, it is the duty of the Mr President, Sir, in a number of Committee concerned to see that the cases we discovered that under the loans will not be given which might existing legislation, we have no prejudice the funds of the society. authority whatsoever to suspend or Mr President, Sir, Clause 6 of the stop the operation of a society, al- Bill concerns the disposal of profits. though we know for certain that there Actually, there is nothing very much is no good in continuing the work of new there, if one compares it with the the society without drastic changes. present provision. The relevant para- Now under the existing Co-operative graph which was raised by the Societies Ordinance, we do not have Honourable Senator is paragraph (b) power, and we need that in order to of sub-section (1) which says protect the interests of members of the "Such sum as the Minister may from time society. Of course, when the Registrar to time determine shall be paid to any educational institution or to any co- exercises his power, he will consider operative organisation established for the all the relevant facts which are dis- furtherance of co-operative principles, or closed as a result of inquiry or to both." inspection in accordance with the The existing provision, Mr President, Ordinance itself. I agree with the view reads- made by the Honourable Member, "Any registered society may, with the Senator Athi Nahappan, that the sanction of the Registrar"-now, with the principles of natural justice should be approval of the Minister-"after one-fourth followed that is so and officers are of the net profits in any year has been carried to a reserve fund, contribute an told to follow that. In other words, amount not exceeding ten per centum all the officers must give to Committee of the remaining net profits to any chari- Members, who are going to be affected, table purpose or to a common-good fund." and others also, an opportunity of The purpose of having this new Clause being heard so as to present their is to have it more specific and also to views before a final decision is made. raise funds for our Co-operative In regard to Clause 8, sub-clauses College at Petaling Jaya it is more (6) and (7) I have already said just specific than the existing provision. now that the principles of natural That is the advice which we got from justice as embodied in Clauses 6 and 7 the Legal Draftsman. It is only a will be followed. It is, again, a matter matter of wording. of opinion whether or not the Ministers Enche' Athi Nahappan : On a point are difficult to approach. I think the of clarification, Mr President, Sir majority of us, as the Honourable Does the Minister mean that this Member knows, are very approachable. provision under Clause 6 (section We can be seen almost anywhere, and 34(1) (b)) is an additional one, because sometimes we spend most of our time 1349 22 DECEMBER 1965 1350 in the coffee room where we can hendak melantek sa-orang Menteri discuss things unofficially, and I do Muda untok membantu Menteri yang not agree with his observation that berkenaan dan menjalankan tugas2 Ministers are difficult to see. mengenai, terutama sa-kali Sharikat Yang Berhormat Senator Nik Hassan Kerjasama. Masaalah itu ada-lah ter- tadi memnta penjelasan, oleh kerana pulang kapada Tengku Perdana Clause 8 itu memberi kuasa kapada Menteri sendiri dan tidak-lah soya Pendaftar menggantongkan tugas2 atau dapat memberi jawapan di-sini ada-kah pun kerja2 sa-sabuah Sharikat Kerja- di-kehendaki sa-orang Menteri Muda. sama itu, ada-kah mereka itu mem- Itu-lah saya katakan tadi di-bawah punyai kuasa juga supaya mendapat Perlembagaan kita, privilege melantek modal untok menggantikan modal sa-saorang Menteri Muda itu ada-lah yang telah hilang. Sa-benar-nya tidak- di-tangan Tengku Perdana Menteri. lah ada di-sebutkan di-sini apa tujuan Sekian-Iah sahaja agak-nya penerangan Clause itu. Bala kita nampak satu yang dapat saya berikan. Sharikat Kerjasama itu berjalan tidak Question put, and agreed to. balk dan kita hendak menyelamatkan, Bill accordingly read a second time maka daripada membiarkan Sharikat and committed to a Committee of the Kerjasama itu terus menjadi rosak, whole House. maka Pendaftar itu boleh-lah champor tangan, dan jikalau di-fikirkan-nya House immediately resolved itself in- patut, boleh-lah menggantongkan to a Committee on the Bill. kerja2 Sharikat Kerjasama itu. Bill considered in Committee. Jikalau fund sharikat itu telah (Mr President in the Chair) hilang, jika ada orang yang bersalah mengenai kehilangan wang itu, nmaka Clauses 1 to 13 inclusive ordered to tindakan sa-wajar-nya patut di-ambil. stand part of the Bill. Tidak-lah `adil, mithal-nya, kalau Schedule ordered to stand part of Kerajaan atau pun ra`ayat sakalian, the Bill. jika empat lima orang telah meng- ambil fund sharikat itu kemudian lari Bill reported without amendment; dan sa-terus-nya, kemudian Kerajaan read the third time and passed. mesti memberi wang untok membantu Sharikat Kerjasama itu. Jadi yang THE NATIONAL LAND REHA- demikian itu tidak `adil. Pegawai2 BILITATION AND CONSOLIDA- yang bersalah akan di-tudoh menja- TION AUTHORITY (INCORPO- lankan Sharikat Kerjasama di-bawah RATION) BILL Clause 8. Second Reading Sa-benar-nya telah di-nyatakan di- Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, sini dengan terang dalam Fasal 8 I beg to move that a Bill intituled Sekshen 37A, sub-section 4 dalam "an Act to incorporate the National Undang2 lama yang berbunyi demikian Land Rehabilitation and Consolidation "a person so appointed shall not be Authority to be charged with the res- liable to the society or any member pon^ibility for the rehabilitation and thereof or to any person for any act development of any areas within the done by him in good faith". Tuas2 States of Malaya" be read a second dia is-lah membantu sharikat kerja- time. sama itu. Jikalau ada anal kesalahan yang telah lalu dan boleh di-hukum Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, salah atau pun tidak, pegawai itu akan I beg to second the motion. bertangong-jawab atas ana yang telah Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: di-buat oleh mereka dahulu. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam bulan Ahli Yang Berhormat, Enche' Wan Ogos tahun 1964, Kerajaan Per- Abdul Rahman, kalau saya tidak ikatan telah mengambil keputusan salah, bertanya, jika Kerajaan berhajat untok menubohkan satu Lembaga yang 1351 22 DECEMBER 1965 1352 sekarang ini kita gelarkan Lembaga persetujuan Dewan ini_ dan juga dengan Pemu4ehan dan Penyatuan Tanah. Dan undang2 ini berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya, hasil keputusan ini, is-lah Rang kita akan mulakan tugas2 ini pada Undang2 ini, dan sa-benar-nya per- awal tahun 1966 bulan Januari atau setujuan daripada National Land pun bu^an Februari, jadi dengan Council, pada prinsip-nya, telah pun s.a-berapa chepat mungkin. Dengan kita terima mengenai Rang Undang2 Rang Undang2 ini juga, menerusi ini. Sa-bagaimana yang kita ketahui, lembaga ini, " kita dapat membantu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tuj uan utama Kerajaan Negeri da^am masaalah Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Pertama menja:ankan Ranchangan2 Tanah is-lah untok menambahkan pendapatan Pinggir. Di-mana tanah pinggir patut pendudok2 di-uar Bandar di-seiuroh kita bantu bagi Keraj aan Negeri men- Malaysia mi. jalankan-nya, kita bo_eh menyeleng- Ada berbagai2 chara dan jalan yang garakan perkara itu. boeh di-buat untok menchapai chita2 Peru saya tegaskan di-sini, Tuan ini, antara-nya termasok-lah mem- Yang di-Pertua, is-itu pengalaman kita perluaskan Ranchangan2 Pertanian, dalam masaalah ini sangat2-lah kurang. menggunakan pelajaran dewasa bagi Oleh sebab demikian, pada per- menyibarkan pengetahuan2 pertanian, mulaan2-nya, maka banyak-lah penyia- melipat gandakan penyiasatan bagi satan2 yang akan di-ja:ankan. Saya menambah hasil pertanian, memper- bersukachita menerangkan di-sini baiki a'at2 pemasaran dan lain2 lagi. bahawa Lembaga Kemaj uan Tanah Kebanyakan langkah2 yang te:ah di- Persekutuan telah pun bersetuju untok -j alankan oleh Keraj aan chuma dapat memberi sega'a kerjasama dengan kita ketahui atau nampak hasi-nya lembaga yang akan kita tuboh mi. da'am beberapa tahun yang akan Dengan hal yang demikian saya harap- datang, tetapi banyak lagi ra`ayat2 lah Ahli2 Yang Berhormat saka±ian kita daam negeri ini, terutama sa-kali akan dapat mempersetujui supaya ra`ayat yang dudok di-luar bandar, Rang Undang2 ini di-:uluskan. Terima yang menghendakkan bantuan yang kaseh. segera. Dan ini-lah tujuan Rang Nik Ha3san bin Haji Nik Yahya: Undang2 ini untok menubohkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, da'am menyo- lembaga dan lembaga ini untok ber- kong Rang Undang2 ini, Saya minta tanggong-jawab pada pertama ka/i-nya pehak MMenteri yang berkenaan, apa- bukan daripada segi penyatuan tanah bi'a lu'us sahaja Rang Undang2 ini, tetapi pemulehan tanah, supaya kita mengambil satu langkah yang segera dapat membantu mereka yang mem- untok menyiasat ra`ayat yang ada di- punyai tanah yang telah tidak di-guna- kawaan Ulu Kelantan. la-itu mereka kan untok berchuchok tanam o'eh yang di-pindahkan masa dharurat kerana berbagai2 sebab, kita bo'.eh dahulu dari kampong2 yang jauh itu membantu mereka itu dengan kerja- dan di-be«i tanah di-tempat2 yang sama Keraj aan Negeri dan j uga kerj a- mereka di-kumpulkan, tetapi mereka sama mereka yang mempunyaI tanah2 itu tidak mempunyal modal untok itu. menanam getah atau nun tanaman Di-da _am Ranchangan Malaysia yang layak di-atas tanah2 yang di-beri- Yang Pertama itu telah di-peruntokkan kan oleh Keraj aan itu. Mereka ini untok Lembaga ini wang sa-banyak is-'_ah mereka yang kena pindah sa- $20,030,000 dan Dewan Ra`ayat telah ma "a dharurat masa kominis dalam pun meluluskan sa-banyak $4,000,000 tahun 1948 itu. bagi Lembaga ini menialankan tugas2- Jadi,. saya rasa, mereka ini sangat- nya di-da1am tahun 1966. lah berkehendak kapada perto1ongan, Saya pada masa ini sedang berun- kerana kebanyakan daripada mereka ding hendak menchari pe^awai untok ini orang miskin yang susah menderita bertanggon^-jawab mentadbirkan lem- meningga'kan kamoong halaman baga ini dan jika saya dapat da'am mereka sa-hingga ternaksa men ga'ami sa-minggu dua ini, saya harap, dengan masa yang sangat pahit sa-ka:i. Jadi 1353 22 DECEMBER 1965 1354

apabila berj alan-nya lembaga ini, saya kita hanya dapat menjalankan tugas2 minta-lah satu pandangan yang ini tadi dengan kebenaran Kerajaan istimewa daripada Menteri yang ber- Negeri. Kita tidak dapat menarohkan kenaan supaya menghantarkan pegawai perkataan shall di-sana, kerana jika bagi menyiasat kedudokan mereka kita buat demikian, memaksa Kerajaan yang ramai ini supaya di-ambil satu2 Negeri harus ini akan bertentang langkah yang sesuai menyegerakan dengan Perlembagaan. Kerana Perlem- pertolongan kapada mereka itu. Sekian bagaan telah menentukan bahawa sahaj a, terima kaseh. masaalah itu ada-lah masaalah Kera- Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah bin jaan Negeri. Omar: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya Perkara ini telah di-nyatakan dengan hendak bertanya sadikit sahaja ber- panjang lebar-nya oleh yang Amat kenaan Rang Undang2 ini is-itu di- Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri dalam Clause 5 (2) (e). Masaalah di-Dewan Ra`ayat ya`ani kita tidak di-sini berkenaan dengan kalimah "may jangka bahawa Kerajaan Negeri akan permit the National Land Rehabilita- bersikap tidak mahu bekerj asama tion and Consolidation Authority". dalam masaalah ini kerana ranchangan Ada-lah masaalah tanah ini masaalah ini akan menguntongkan ra`ayat dalam State, selalu biasa-nya kalau State ini negeri. Dan apabila menguntong bukan main chemburu lagi akan kuasa2 ra ayat dalam negeri, dengan sa-chara yang ada pada-nya. Jikalau Lembaga langsong atau pun tidak langsong, akan ini hendak menjadikan satu kawasan di- menguntongkan ra`ayat di-dalam negeri bawah jagaan-nya dan Kerajaan Negeri ini j uga. Sa-bagaimana saya telah tidak bersetuj u, bagaimana akan j adi- nyatakan tadi, Rang Undang2 ini telah nya? Sebab di-sini nampak-nya tidak pun kita nyatakan kapada National boleh memaksa Keraj aan Negeri mem- Land Council, dan National Land benarkan dengan sebab kalimah "may" Council itu bersetuju. Jadi ini bererti di-gunakan, jikalau di-gunakan "shall" bahawa Kerajaan Negeri semua-nya, ma`ana-nya terpaksa-lah pehak Kera- termasok-lah Kerajaan Negeri Kelan- jaan Negeri itu memberikan kebenaran- tan, menyokong Rang Undang2 mi. nya. Tetapi oleh sebab dengan ada-nya Dengan yang demikian kita berharap kalimah "may" itu boleh jadi ada memang ada kerjasama yang penoh Kerajaan Negeri besok kata dia ini akan di-beri oleh tiap2 Kerajaan Negeri tanah hak dia, Kerajaan Negeri ada kapada Lembaga mi. berkuasa atas tanah; takdir-nya kalau Question put and agreed to. dia tidak membenarkan bagitu apa akan jadi pada masa akan datang? Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: whole House. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah yang di-timbulkan oleh Yang Berhormat House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. Senator Nik Hassan tadi akan kita kaj ikan dan pertimbangan yang sa- Bill considered in Committee. waj ar-nya akan kita ben. Tidak-lah (Mr President in the Chair) saya berjanji bahawa Lembaga ini Clauses 1 to 14 inclusive ordered to boleh membantu mereka itu dengan stand part of the Bill. segera. Perkara itu akan di-kaj ikan dan saya akan mengarah Kementerian Schedule ordered to stand part of saya berhubong dengan segera-nya the Bill. dengan Yang Berhormat ini memberi Bill reported without amendment : butir2 lain lagi jika di-kehendaki kelak. read the third time and passed. Masaalah Clause 5 (2) (e) ini sa- benar-nya-lah, tetapi, yang tepat sa-kali THE SOCIETIES BILL is-lah masaalah Clause 4. Clause 4 ini Second Reading menyatakan bagaimana yang telah di- Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, terangkan oleh Yang Berhormat I beg to move that a Bill intituled Senator Dato' Haji Noah tadi, is-itu "an Act amend and consolidate the 1355 22 DECEMBER 1965 1356 law relating to registration of societies" 16 in the Societies Ordinance of the be read a second time. States of Malaya, as section 18 in the Societies Ordinance of Sarawak and Dato' Y. T. Lee: Mr President, Sir, as section 5 in the Societies Ordinance I beg to second the motion. of Sabah. The Minister of Lands and Mines Thus far, there has been no sugges- (Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub): tion at all that the Minister has Mr President, Sir, I hope you and arbitrarily exercised his discretion in Honourable Members will bear with dissolving any society. This provision me, if I give a bit lengthy explanation is necessary to enable the Government in respect of this Bill. to take immediate action where a society is being used for the purpose The object of this Bill is to amend of endangering the security of this and consolidate the three Societies country. Ordinances now in force in the States of Malaya, Sarawak and Sabah. While In Clause 6, sub-clause (2), Mr Pre- the three Societies Ordinances are in sident, Sir, it is provided that until a force in Malaysia, a society proposing society is registered it may not take to operate throughout Malaysia is part in any activity. It can be appre- required to be registered separately in ciated that after a society has applied Malaya, in Sarawak and in Sabah as for registration a little time is required if these three territories are separate to investigate into the real purpose of and sovereign States. This situation is the society. During this period the obviously unsatisfactory. There is, society may not take part in any therefore, the need for legislation on activity without the permission of the societies in accord with present day Registrar. In a vernacular society this Malaysia. permission is generally given. I should also add that this is also not a new Mr President, Sir, an important provision. It is in the three Societies amendment has been made to the Ordinances now in force in Malayasia. existing Ordinances. The number of members constituting a society has Part II of the Bill makes further been reduced from ten to seven. and better provisions for the control Honourable Members may be assured of mutual benefit organisations which that there is no sinister purpose in hitherto are known as "death benefit amending this provision of the law. societies". In rural areas and in new The real purpose is to keep societies villages the spirit of mutual help and in line with trade union, which are good neighbourliness still prevails. organisations of at least seven em- Mutual benefit societies operating there ployers or workmen each. The English do no more than pass a hat round law on friendly societies also provides whenever death occurs amongst mem- that a friendly society must consist of bers. The societies do not pose any at least seven persons. problem to the Administration. In Clause 5, Mr President, Sir, the The provisions of Part II of the Bill Minister charged with responsibility will apply to those death benefit for the registration of societies may, societies operating in the towns. in his discretion, declare unlawful Existing societies are, therefore, free to continue operations, if they do not any society which is being used pay more than $600 for one death, for the purpose prejudical to the if they will not admit as members security of the Federation, public persons above the age of 55 years and order or morality. if they confine their operation to the This provision is not inconsistent town or village in which they are with the provision of the Constitution situated. The maximum amount of relating to freedom of expression, benefit is fixed at $600, because this assembly and association. I must also amount is sufficient as the funeral clarify that this provision is not new. expenses of one deceased member. The same provision exists as section The upper age limit for the admission 1357 22 DECEMBER 1965 1358

of members is placed at 55 years, (1) A member or office bearer of a because records in the possession of registered society misusing the the Registrar of Societies show that the money or property of the society average life expectancy of persons of may be ordered by the Sessions the age of 55 years, who join mutual Court to deliver the property or benefit societies is eight years and in to repay the money improperly those eight years a member contri- applied to the trustees of the buting, say, $1 per month will have society. Any person failing to paid up only $96 to the societies and comply with the order of the all societies assure the payment of a Court shall be guilty of an minimum sum of $100. The area offence. of operation of a death benefit society (2) Penalties for fraud, or false is confined to a village or town, so declaration, in connection with that members can in fact practise documents of a registered society mutual helpfulness. On the other hand, are laid down in Clause 54. if any society is able to submit a benefit scheme which has been certified Mr President, Sir, apart from the by a qualified actuary as sound and several Clauses in Part II and the two equitable, then such a society may in Part III that I have just mentioned, pay higher benefits and operate in a which are new provisions, this Bill, as wider area. It may be realised that explained in the Statement attached to a mutual benefit society assuring the it, is in fact a repeal and the re-enact- payment of benefit on death is in ment of the existing laws relating to effect carrying on the business of a the registration of societies. Thank you, life insurance. Any mutual benefit Sir. society wishing to operate in a big Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr Pre- way is at liberty to do so by incorpo- sident, Sir, in welcoming this Bill, I rating itself as an insurance company would like to seek some clarification. under the Insurance Act. Under Clause 5 of the Bill, the Minis- Honourable Members are aware of ter is given absolute discretion to the crimes of violence, robberies and declare a society unlawful in the kidnapping that are being committed interest of the security of the Federa- by secret society members. To stamp tion. Absolute power is granted to the out these crimes and ruthless secret Minister in so far as this condition societies, more severe punishment must alone ghat is, if it is prejudicial or be meted out to members of these incompatible with the interest and societies. Penalties for being members security of the Federation, or any part or office bearers of unlawful societies, thereof. It seems to me that the Minis- or for allowing secret societies on pre- ter has no discretion outside this mises have therefore been enhanced particular state of affairs, and that if discretion is to be exercised for any Under Clause 50, a society may not other ground under Clause 7 in respect adopt or display any flag, symbol, of registration, the Registrar can refuse emblem, badge or insignia without the registration. permission of the Registrar of Societies. Sir, under Clause 7, sub-clause (2), These provisions are aimed at pre- the Registrar has discretion to refuse venting societies from using secret registration under certain grounds. societies' flags, emblems or insignia. Then, under sub-clause (3) he is given Secret societies adopt insignia so mandatory power to refuse registra- as to identify their members and tion-it says here, "shall refuse, where to enable members to recognise each it appears to him that such a local other. This provision will also serve society is unlawful under the provision to prevent the use of flag and of this Act or any other written law, emblem similar to those used by the or is likely to be used for unlawful Communist. purpose or any purpose prejudicial to The only two new provisions in Part or incompatible with peace, welfare, III of the Bill are: good order or morality of the Federa- 1359 22 DECEMBER 1965 1360 tion;". This particular paragraph is he may be given the right to express very wide, as it says, "peace, welfare, himself and take part in meetings, good order or morality of the probably, as an observer and so on, Federation". without the right to vote. In such a case, would he be caught by the Therefore, I only hope that under definition of a member under the both these provisions, the principles of Schedule because of the limited role natural justice will be adhered to as he plays, even though in the meeting far as possible. he may express an opinion and would Sir, under Clause 18, provision is he be considered as a non-member but made for appeal within thirty days of only as an associate, thereby getting the decision of the Registrar, and the outside the orbit of this section? I appeal may be had to the Minister, would like to ask this because I know whose decision shall be final. In this that a number of political parties do regard, I hope that the grounds of the have associate members and a number decision will be sufficiently recorded of political parties do have members, to enable proper representations to be who are not strictly Federal citizens made. but who are potential Federal citizens. Now, I come to Section 2 of the Now, Sir, I saw during election time Schedule which reads: that many people were being used. "Where a society is of a political nature, We have, of course, the Election the constitution or rules thereof shall, in addition to matters enumerated in paragraph. Ordinance which says who can be an I, provide that- agent, who can be a canvasser and so on, and that only Federal citizens can (a) every member of the society, every officer performing executive functions play these roles. However, there are in such society and every adviser, many ways, where a person can take other than a legal adviser, shall be part in on election campaign without Federal citizens; and holding nominal offices, in which case (b) every member shall have a right to I would like to know whether he will vote and shall be eligible to hold be caught by this Ordinance and office in the committee or governing body in the society." whether prosecution will be made, because it is very important that this This means, and I am subject to thing should be clearly borne in mind correction, that any particular political by all political parties, and one way party hereafter, under this Ordinance, or the other we should get clear shall have members only who are directions, so that political parties can Federal citizens, and that a non-Federal take them as guidance and observe citizen, however long he has lived in them strictly. Thank you, Sir. this country, or who is a potential waiting for his residential qualification Wan Mustapha bin Haji Wan Ali: to be completed, shall not be allowed Mr President, Sir, I agree with the to become a member of any political Honourable Senator Athi Nahappan party. I am wondering in such a case that this is an important Bill. In fact, whether a political party can have an in my personal opinion, I think that associate member, who is not a Federal this is the most important Bill since citizen. For instance, in the case of a we have been sitting here after tea person waiting to be registered as a time. citizen, because he lacks a year or two in residential qualification and he has Sir, I welcome the purpose of this intention of remaining in the country, Bill, which is that Sarawak, Sabah he does not want to leave and he wants and Malaya will have one Act and to become an associate member, is his there will not be separate Acts associate membership the same as a regarding the registration of societies. member if he becomes one? An asso- However, Sir what concerns me is ciate member has not even the right Clause 5 of the Bill which has been to vote and is not given the right to touched on by Senator Athi Nahappan, stand for election to any office, but and I am rather concerned in that 1361 22 DECEMBER 1965 1362 wording was not indentical to section ately inserted in this Clause in to give 16 of the present Ordinance. absolute power to the Minister, so that Having heard what Senator Athi there is no appeal at all to the Federal Nahappan has stated , I am getting Court or High Court. This is not worried, because the wording of the constitutional , because normally in any Clause has by itself, and without legislation, when there is power given reference to any Act and in my to a Minister, where he can exercise opinion, very wide power . As long as his discretion , and if the aggrieved absolute power is being given to a person finds that the Ministry, or the Minister, as long as absolute power, Minister, has not exercised his discre- absolute discretion , which is given to tion judiciously, or if he has exercised the Minister, is confined to, say, any his discretion unfairly, prejudicially, or Society which, in his opinion, is being biasedly or improperly, then he can of used for purposes prejudicial to or course go to the Court and ask the incompatible with the interest of learned Judge for declaration that the security, public order or morality, then discretion was wrong'y exercised. But by of course there is no need for us to having the words "absolute discretion", worry. But having read carefully I fear that if a person takes the matter Cause 5-it says, "It shall be lawful to Court, the Attorney-General, who for the Minister in his absolute dis- is always defending the Minister, will cretion ....."-I do not mind saying say that the Minister has got absolute that I do not very much like the word power, absolute discretion, to declare "absolute"-I am sure that the this society as an unlawful one. I do Honourable the Minister would agree not think there is any appeal because with me that even the word "discre- if you turn to Clause 1$ of this Bill, tion", and sometimes the word it will be seen that it provides for an "absolute" could be abused. I am not appeal to the Minister. Clause 18 proposing to say that the Minister reads : "Any local society, office-bearer should abuse his power, but discretion or member of such local society who sometimes could be exercised not is aggrieved by the decision of the judiciously. In Clause 5 you are saying Regsitrar in the followinn cases" then that the Minister in his absolute dis- paragraphs (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f), (.g); cretion by order to declare unlawful and then at the end, "may, within any society or branch or class or des- thirty days from the date of the crintion of any societies which in his decision of the Registrar, appeal opinion ...." In other words, if the anainst the decision to the Minister;". Minister is of the opinion, his own What happens in the case where you opinion, then he has got absolute dis- want to appeal against the decision of creion to declare any society as the Minister himself? I am afraid by unlawful, and after that all he has to giving absolute Dower, absolute dis- do is to publish in the Gazette that cretion, to the Minister, one cannot is under sub-section (2) which says, appeal. "An order made under this section No doubt, the Honourable the Minis- shall be published in the Gazette and ter states that this does not conflict shall operate to cancel immediately the with the Perlembagaan, because under registration of any such society" and the Constitution there is freedom of "society", under the Interpretation association. But if under Clause 5, Clause, page 2 of the Bill is defined power is given to the Minister, a power as "includes any club , company, so wide, and he exercises it wrong'y, partnership or association of seven or then of course it might conflict with more persons whatever its nature or the freedom of association as granted object" in other words, it mitrht under the Constitution . It is quite all include any society or any political right for the Minister to say that party. There is an absolute discretion Ministers are all honourable men, and here. Sir, I would like to have some they will not abuse it. But what is the clarification from the Honourable guarantee ? Is there a guarantee to Minister. The wording here, deliber- safeguard our freedom , because we 1363 22 DECEMBER 1965 1364 belong to clubs? We might not be which are of national security, because politicians and might belong to certain if we do that, then we will endanger clubs and, for reasons unknown, the the lives of witnesses and others who Minister might declare that such and have given evidence. That is the crux such a club is unlawful. Then where of the who e matter. As both Honour- can we appeal? able Members will admit, there has been so far, since independence, no Sir, I would not like to take up care of abuse of power under these more of the time of the House, as we is no reason to have been sitting rather late but I provisions, and there believe that there will be any abuse of would be grateful if the Minister for as long as the would kindly reply to the points I power in the future is in control of have raised under Clause 5 of this Bill. Alliance Government Malaysia (Applause). Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: I agree with the Honourable Mem- Mr President, Sir, as usual, I find it ber Senator Athi Nahappan that the difficult to follow the argument of the rules or principles of natural justice Honourable Senator Wan Mustapha, must be adhered to. I am sure he because, as we lawyers call it, it is knows fully well that all the Alliance only a crab-tree type of argument Ministers have always adhered to the it is not to the point. He usually beats principles of natural justice. Clause around the bush before he comes to 18 is of the essence that we must have the point he wants to raise. I will try our grounds clearly stated. As I said, to satisfy him, if I can. Clause 5 of Mr President, Sir, we do so, and I the Bill is not identical to the existing can assure him that wherever the Section 16.... Registrar is making any decision under the provisions of this Ordinance, he Enche' Wan Mustapha: Sir, am I to understand that, according to my will record the ground of his decision. colleague here, the Honourable Minis- Again, on Clause 5, the Honourable ter has addressed this House by calling Senator Wan Mustapha has said that me bodoh? it may be in conflict with the Federal Constitution. It is not so, in accordance Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: with the provisions of Article 10 of Mr President, Sir, I did not call him the Constitution. bodoh, I said that it is a crab-tree type Further, Article 149, of the Consti- of argument. I am sure he has read tution empowers the Minister to make Sir Henry Cecil's book. Unless he wants me to explain, I will not proceed laws in respect of the security of the Federation. Article 10 which I men- further. tioned just now, is in connection with Clause 5 of the Bill is not identical the freedom of speech and assembly with the existing Section 16 of the and the Article clearly states that Societies Ordinance of the States of restrictions can be imposed by Federal Malaya, I agree. The existing Ordi- legislation in the interest of security, nance uses the expression, "purposes in the interest of public order. I do not prejudicial to, or incompatible with, have the Constitution with me, Mr peace, welfare or good order in the President, Sir, but I still remember the Federation", but there is not very provisions. much difference. As regards Schedule I, paragraph As regards the discretion, it is 2 (a) where it is stressed that only admitted that it is absolute discretion, Federal Citizens can become members which means that there is no provision of a political party, it is obvious that in this Bill which allows an aggrieved under our Constitution only citizens party to appeal to the High Court. of Malaysia can exercise their politi- The reason is clear. Under the ordinary cal rights, such as voting. There is no rules of evidence, a Government officer, reason why such rights should be including a Minister, cannot be com- granted to non-Federal citizens. Again, pelled to disclose to the Court matters under Article 10 of the Constitution, 1365 22 DECEMBER 1965 1366 the expression used is "citizen" not Bill accordingly read a second time any person. Therefore, it is quite in con- and committed to a Committee of the formity not only with the spirit but whole House. also with the letter of the Constitution. House immediately resolved itself That of course does not mean that a into a Committee on the Bill. non-Federal citizen cannot become a supporter of a political party, a mere Bill considered in Committee. supporter of a political party does not (Mr President in the Chair) necessarily become a member. He only becomes a member, if he applies to Clauses 1 to 70 inclusive ordered to be a member and accepted as such stand part of the Bill. by the society concerned. The question Schedule I ordered to stand part of of associate membership will make no the Bill. difference under the present legislation. Schedule 11 ordered to stand part of Member includes the ordinary member the Bill. and associate member and, therefore, associate members must also be Federal Bill reported without amendment: citizens provided, of course, it is a read the third time and passed. political organisation, as non-political organisations are not covered by THE MERCHANT SHIPPING paragraphs. (AMENDMENT) BILL I think that is the only explanation Second Reading I need give and, finally, if I have Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, caused the Honourable Senator Wan I beg to move that a Bill intituled Mustapha to feel that I have been "an Act to amend the Merchant rather offensive against him, then, I Shipping Ordinance, 1952, in order to must apologise. I did not honestly give legal effect to an International use the word `bodoh', I used the words Convention for the Safety of Life at "crab-tree argument." Sea signed in London on 17th June, 1964, and to International Regulations Nik Hassan: Dia kata orang tidak for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1960 menjadi ra`ayat Persekutuan ini boleh and to enable Malaysian vessels sokong dalam gerakan politik negeri exclusively employed in the fishing mi. Betul-kah bagitu? industry to be exempted from the pro- Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: visions of Part III of the Ordinance" Sokong macham2 chara sokong. Jika be now read a second time. orang itu diam 15 tahun, 20 tahun, Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second walau pun dia sa-belum menjadi the motion. Federal Citizen yang sah, yang mithal- nya dia sa-orang yang bukan warga- Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, negara hendak bagi wang lima ribu an International Conference on Safety ringgit kapada political party, tidak of Life at Sea sponsored by the Inter- jadi salah di-bawah undang2. Itu boleh national Governmental Maritime Con- sokong. sultative Organisation was held in London from 17th May to 17th June, Nik Hassan: Undang2 orang yang 1960. The Conference, after delibera- tidak jadi warga-negara ini jangan tions, approved the International di-beri boleh champor politik dalam Convention for the Safety of Life at negeri kita ini. Itu lagi bagus. Sea, 1960, and also the International Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub: Regulations for Preventing Collisions Saya mahu terima siapa sahaja yang at Sea, 1960, to replace the outdated hendak beri wang dengan sharat tidak ones of 1948. The Malaysian Govern- ada string, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. ment has agreed to accept both the International Collision Regulations, Question put, and agreed to. 1960; and in order to bring into effect 1367 22 DECEMBER 1965 1368 their provisions, necessary legislation As it will be noted, Clause 2 of the has to be made by way of amending Bill applies the Merchant Shipping the Federation Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952, to the new Conven- tion. Clauses 3 to 11 give effect to the Ordinance, 1952. requirements of the Convention for the At the present time, our Merchant construction and survey of the hull, Shipping Ordinance, originated from machinery and equipment of cargo the United Kingdom legislation ships. The rules to be made by the on the subject, and the United King- Minister under Clause 3 will apply to dom legislation itself is subject to cargo ships registered in Malaysia and international conventions, such as the to foreign cargo ships while in Malay- Convention on the Safety of Life at sian ports unless exempted. The Sea and the Loadline Convention and a requirements in the first place will only score of other maritime conventions apply to ships of 500 gross tons or relating to law of the sea. When our over, but the Minister is empowered to Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952 extend them to sea-going ships below was passed, since Malaya at that time that tonnage. was not an independent and sovereign State, there was no need for any power Clauses 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 deal with to be provided in the Ordinance to certification and enforcement of the enable the High Commissioner, as he new requirements. Clause 9 provides was then, to make any rules which a transitional provision for cargo ships would enable the various international affected by the new Convention. conventions to be applicable in Malaya. Thus, the international conventions The Merchant Shipping Ordinance, under the structure of the Ordinance 1952, of Malaya has its root in the could only apply to the United United Kingdom Merchant Shipping Kingdom legislation, namely, to the Act, 1894, and a number of subsequent United Kingdom Minister of Trans- legislations of the United Kingdom on port. Thus, no rules have ever been the same subject. Since the Ordinance made locally in Malaya which was passed in 1952 at a time when would be applicable to shipping here. Malaya was still not an independent All rules applicable in, this country and sovereign State, the Ordinance originate from England. When Merdeka was made specifically subject to the came, the Minister of Transport, United United Kingdom Merchant Shipping Kingdom, . could no longer make rules Legislation. Thus power to `make rules applicable to Malaya and now having extra territorial, effect was only Malaysia, and at the same tune there vested under the United Kingdom law, was no power in our Merchant Ship- and up to date the Merchant Shipping ping Ordinance to enable the Minister Ordinance, 1952, contains no power of Transport, Malaysia, to make rules for the Minister to make these rules. having extra territorial effect. Thus, Thus, when the International Collisions when Malaysia has become a sovereign Regulations came into effect, power independent nation, participating in the must be provided for in the Merchant law of the sea, and now becoming a Shipping Ordinance, 1952, so as to member of the International Govern- enable the Minister to give legal effect mental Maritime Consultative Organi- to these international regulations; hence sation, a number of conventions will section 252 requires to be amended. have to be made applicable to Malaysia Similarly, under the present Merchant and in order to assimilate these Shipping Ordinance, 1952, construction conventions into our law, power must rules for passenger steamers are invari- be provided for the Minister of Trans- ably made by the United Kingdom port to make rules; thus amendment Minister of Transport, and though has to be made to the Merchant power is provided under the Ordinance Shipping Ordinance. for our Minister to make these rules, 1369 22 DECEMBER 1965 1370

this power is not specifically stated. with his permission, it might be argued Thus, an insertion of a new section that he was not the insured person. 256A requires to be made. In order to put beyond any possible doubt that the third party who is The Bill has a Schedule which deals injured through the negligence of a with minor and consequential amend- driver will get the compensation, the ments and some other important Attorney-General has, therefore, sug- amendments. For example, opportunity gested that the expression "the insured is now taken to have section 69 of the person" be substituted with the wording Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1952, "any person insured by the policy". amended for the purpose of exempting certain provisions of Part III of the Prior to the introduction of the Road Ordinance from being applicable to Traffic legislations for 1958 and 1959 Malaysian fishing vessels. Section 208 there was no provision in the British is to be amended for the purpose of Military Administration (Road Trans- improving the present section. port) Proclamation or Regulations Question put, and agreed to. made thereunder for Road Transport Officers to institute or conduct Court Bill accordingly read a second time proceedings for offences against the and committed to a Committee of the Road Traffic Ordinance, or rules made whole House. thereunder. Owing to the absence of House immediately resolved itself such provision, officers of the Road into a Committee on the Bill. Transport Department have been Bill considered in Committee. questioned from time to time by magistrates whether they have autho- (Mr President in the Chair) rity to prosecute road traffic offences. Clauses 1 to 11 inclusive ordered to The magistrates were of the opinion stand part of the Bill. that section 380 (2) (b) of the Criminal Procedure Court did not provide Schedule ordered to stand part of authority for Road Transport Officers the Bill. to prosecute. It was, therefore, consi- Bill reported without amendment : dered necessary to supplement the read the third time and passed. Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958, to pro- vide for Road Transport Officers to prosecute road traffic offences. This, THE ROAD TRAFFIC in fact, is now incorporated in Section (AMENDMENT) BILL 142 of the Road Traffic Ordinance, Second Reading 1958. Dato' T. H. Tan: Mr President, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled With the introduction of orders "an Act to amend the Road Traffic under Section 62 of the above Ordinance, 1958" be read a second Ordinance relating to parking meters, time. it has been found that the institution and the conduct of prosecution for any Dato' Y. T. Lee: Sir, I beg to second breach of the provision of such orders the motion. could no longer be confined to persons Dato' T. H. Tan : Mr President, Sir, specified in Section 142 of the Road the Government has recently been Traffic Ordinance, 1958, and that offi- advised by the Attorney-General that cers of the Municipality and other he is not happy with the expression Local Authorities must be depended "the insured person" appearing in on for this purpose. Therefore, with section 80(I) of the Road Traffic the introduction of orders relating to Ordinance, 1958. Although in all motor parking meters under Section 6 of the vehicle insurance policies, the insured Road Traffic Ordinance, as re-enacted person includes any person who is by Section 8 of the Road Traffic driving on the policy-holder's order or (Amendment) Act, 1964, an amend- 1371 22 DECEMBER 1965 1372 ment to Section 142 of the Road House immediately resolved itself Traffic Ordinance, 1958, has become into a Committee on the Bill. necessary so that prosecution could Bill considered in Committee. conveniently be left to the Municipality itself. The existing defect in the pro- (Mr President in the Chair) vision of the Road Traffic Ordinance, Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to 1958, will be remedied by the provision stand part of the Bill. made in this Bill. Bill reported without amendment Question put, and agreed to. read the third time and passed. Bill accordingly read a second time House adjourned at 9.35 p.m. and committed to a Committee of the whole House.

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