Lucille Clifton Galway Kinnell John Korn Drew Ernst Scott G Brooks Ignat Ignatov William Rose Ricky Garni ARDINES ARDINES VOLUME 1 ISSUE 3 WINTER 2008 MANY MORE! S S & & ORANGES ORANGES Cover Artist Drew Ernst CONTENTS Publisher / E.I.C. & DIDI MENENDEZ Creative Director interviews I. M. BESS Poetry Editor 00 8 Lucille Clifton DAVID KRUMP Poetry Review Editor 113 Eavan Boland MEGHAN PUNSCHKE Interviewer 154 Galway Kinnell GRACE CAVALIERI Micro Reviewers JIM KNOWLES art reviews GRADY HARP MELISSA M c EWEN 0 12 Rebecca Urbanski Art Reviewers CHERYL A. TOWNSEND 162 Joey D APRIL CARTER-GRANT Short Story Contributor KIRK CURNUTT poetry reviews 0 19 Andrew Demcak 0 37 Oliver De La Paz 127 Julia Kasdorf Copyright reverts back to contributors upon publication. O&S requests first publisher rights of poems published in future reprints short story of books, anthologies, web site publications, podcasts, radio, etc. Boy In A Barn (1935) This issue is also available for a 0 85 limited time as a free download from the O&S website: www.poetsandartists.com. Print copies available at www.amazon.com. For submission guidelines and further information on O & S, please stop by www.poetsandartists.com Poets Ricky Rolf Garni Samuels 16 98 Tara John Birch Korn 25 105 Nanette Rayman Jamie Rivera Buehner 32 130 Carmen Mary Giménez Morris Smith 45 138 Erica Maria James Litz Iredell 60 150 Stephanie Dickinson 72 Artists Jarrett Ignat Min Davis Ignatov 20 92 William Nolan Coronado Haan 26 100 Drew Angelou Ernst Guingon 38 122 Cathy Scott G. Lees Brooks 54 132 Patricia William Watwood Rose 66 144 Ben Aaron Hartley Westerberg 80 156 blank poetsandartists.com 8 ORANGES & SARDINES Grace Notes: & GRACE CAVALIERI INTERVIEWS LUCILLE CLIFTON Lucille Clifton is America’s sweetheart. She served as the Poet Laureate of the state of Maryland from 1979 to 1985. Clifton is one of the most accomplished women in the literary world. Owner of Pulitzer Prize nominations for poetry in 1980, 1987, and 1991, the Lannan Literary Award for poetry in 1997, the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize in 1997, the Los Angeles Times Poetry Award in 1997, the Lila Wallace/ Reader’s Digest Award in 1999, and the National Book Award for Blessing the Boats: New and Selected Poems, 1988- 2000 (2000) also a National Book Award nomination for The Terrible Stories (1996). She has been awarded honorary degrees from Colby College, the University of Maryland, Towson State University, Washington College, and Albright College. Her current book is Voices Boa Editions , 2008. Lucille Clifton photo credit: St. Mary’s College 9 ORANGES & SARDINES GC: What art forms GC: How does the LC: I was first published nourish your poetry? poem speak beyond its in 1969. A lot has initial event? happened, thankfully. LC: I’m Interested in People have learned everything. I’m so LC: Language is all some things; if you pay nosey. I want to know translation and – as attention, you will learn. about things. I like all they say – a poem is The Dodge Festival, for kinds of music, Oh, I more than the sum of all instance, had more love jazz; I have a crush its parts. A poem is not diversity this year than on jazz. I love old R & B. the words. The words ever before. Our kids’ I’m interestedin it all. are just indicators. generation has new different assumptions. GC: How would you GC: What was the I’ve been invited to origin of the title poem counsel writers against Dodge every year and in your National Book despair? How do poets have gone 11 out of 12 Award’s Blessing the keep going? years and the poets are Boats? LC: I don’t know what more diverse now than LC: When I was in St happened to people. ever before in my early Mary’s County, (in People who don’t feel time. Maryland where I lived despair are not awake, and taught) there was but why should you be GC: What is the most a celebration every comfortable? Once I difficult part in writing year. Out on an island, said to my husband poetry? they had a thing of Fred Clifton (who’s LC: Everything is difficult blessing the animals been dead over many but mostly to keep and blessing the boats. years) “I’m not happy honest . say what I thought that was really all the time.” And he seems to be the truth . cool since the boats said, “Who told you brought the animals. were supposed to be?” GC: What would you Everything starts say if I told you that you connecting. I don’t GC: How do you were famous? know why I have that describe the American kind of mind, but I do. arch of poetic thought LC: Being celebrated One thing turns into since you published is just about other another. your first poem? people’s impressions of & Grace Notes Lucille Clifton 10 ORANGES & SARDINES you, not your own. that writing? I do it. Anybody can bless any one, I think GC: What is the one LC: Somebody called lesson you wish students and asked me to do it, GC: What does your would carry away from and it was the hardest poetry come from? your classroom? job I ever had. I waited ‘til the last minute and LC: I think the work LC: To say ”I learned.” worried so much. It was comes from beyond the And that is hard work. difficult for me because obvious. Take this new And it has nothing to do nothing came to ME I poem I have, for with how you look, or had to go to IT. example: “ALBINO” how you want to be “a (VOICES, Boa Editions, poet.” One student GC: When you wrote 2008.) There was a asked me how people your children’s books, white stag in St Mary’s get empathy. I was what did you discover County and at that time shocked. I thought one about yourself? they were thinning was born that way. LC: I don’t think I’ve lost herds; the hunting Maybe we have to those children who season was extended. relearn it. were always with me, People tried to protect GC: How does a new those children that are the white deer. Kathy poem begin? still interesting. Glaser and I were out riding in a car and we LC: Something catches GC: You are saw one and it stood my attention that I see considered a spiritual there as we were or hear . generally leader – as well as watching it. I started hear . I’ve been poet – so, how do you writing about it – what called a lyric poet so I describe your was I doing? Here was suppose it’s because relationship with that? this large African I’m tuned in to sound, LC: Isn’t that odd. American lady writing music, and language. People think I’m so about this white magic, GC: I was doing religious, and trust me, unicorns , and such . I children’s programming I’m not religious—I like lost the poem . then I at PBS and “Vegetable religious theory as far recreated the poem Soup” was on the as religion goes, so I like and it was talking about daytime schedule. them all—but people Kathy, our friendship . How did you approach ask me to bless them so And that was the & Grace Notes Lucille Clifton 11 ORANGES & SARDINES unicorn . am very shy, even male musicians? though no one believes LC: I admit it. I love GC: What kind of that, especially my Kenny Burrell’s music trouble can poets get children. and kept his image into? up for awhile. Now I GC: Are your works LC: Not telling the truth. have my youngest translated into granddaughter who just languages? GC: How do you ran her first 1/4 mile explain the consistent marathon. She’s three. size and shape of your LC: Oh at least 7 or 8. poems on the page — My children’s books GC: What is precious economy, brevity? also. My favorite is the from your college days? Japanese. There’s LC: I have no idea. Slovenian, whoever LC: We had a great People ask me. I try to heard of Slovenia, also time at Howard in the imbue each word. I try Finnish. My first 50’s. I was with AB to make each word translation in the 1960’s Spellman, Leroi Jones, stand for so much, was Norwegian. Roberta Flack, William I want to take it to its Norway had a big big Cook, all who went on possibility, and then interest in black poetry. to do great things; and when I’m finished, I my first crush in my stop. GC: Where are all whole life was Joe GC: Among living poets those things and your Walker. I had said I hear you talked about letters and personal “something was more more than other poets papers? unique.” He said “There by generations X, Y, Z. are no gradations of LC: Emory, in Georgia. What’s your love unique.” My letters are there. potient? When I had my Kidney GC: What do you say LC: I don’t know. I transplant there are about the people who haven’t the faintest wonderful letters from know you and love idea, but readers tell poets from all over. you? me my poems are understandable. GC: Is it true your LC: I’ve been lucky with I’m friendly with computer screen saver the people who are in everyone – although I featured some sexy my life.