Fourni par InfoMédia http://www.infomedia.gc.ca/parl Provided by NewsDesk Publié | Published: 2020-11-04 Hill Times Reçu | Received: 2020-11-04 00:01 (HNE) Slow Senate start amid pandemic a lesson to limit delay tactics, says CSG leader 'Our job is not to play procedural inside baseball around organization of the Senate, and we've done a lot of that, and I'm tired of it,' says Sen. Scott Tannas. Samantha Wright Allen With Senators finally nailing down hybrid sittings and striking committees after months of disagreement that led to limited work during the pandemic, one Senate leader says his colleagues have learned their lesson about capitulating to procedural delays and will likely have "little patience" for such tactics going forward. "Our job is not to play procedural inside baseball around organization of the Senate, and we've done a lot of that, and I'm tired of it. A lot of people are tired of it," said Canadian Senators Group Leader Scott Tannas. One example of that inside baseball played out on Oct. 29, said the Alberta Senator, with the long path to setting up committees coming to an end. The agreement guarantees allocated committee seats stay with various groups rather than individual Senators, which some said leaves powers in leaders' hands and violates the rules granting rights to Senators. The Progressive Senate Group (PSG), the smallest of the four recognized groups, said the vote in the Chamber-held before hybrid sittings were instituted-was done at the expense of giving all Senators a voice, while the other three groups said a clear majority supported the move. Sen. Tannas said it was a good example of Senators responding "to a lesson that we ought to have learned from last spring." That is, deal with procedural issues right away because it can put off important work delayed by bigger matters-a pandemic, for instance. Following the October 2019 election, there was "no rush" to set up committees, he said, and by February that laid- back approach continued with Senators "fiddling around for months with no committees." In March, negotiations on pandemic-response oversight committees fell apart for the first time when Senate leaders could not agree on their composition. Independent Senators Group (ISG) facilitator Yuen Pau Woo (British Columbia), could not get unanimous support for a motion that would have set up the committees without giving any seats to the then-13 non-affiliated Senators. Eventually, on April 11, the Senate set up two committees, National Finance and Social Affairs, focused on the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic. The Senate Internal Economy, Budgets, and Administration Committee, a powerful body that manages the administration and finances of the Upper Chamber, was in place throughout. "That was the lesson: you get stuff done as quickly as you can when it comes to organization," and last week was that reflex playing out in what Sen. Tannas said he hopes is the new approach going forward. "I think there will be less tolerance for delay tactics of any kind, especially around procedural stuff like this," he said. "This isn't our job." Senators agreed, on division, on Oct. 27 to start hybrid sittings, which began on Nov. 3. "The Senate was not able to do anything like its job [during the pandemic], but those were unusual times and they're now behind us," said Sen. Tannas, adding with the Selection Committee meeting Nov. 2, more committees should soon follow. Speaking to The Hill Times, all Senate leaders struck a similar tone when asked to assess the Chamber's performance during the pandemic: it's not great, but still the best that could've been done in the circumstances. Even if there was a will to strike more committees, since the Senate's support system for virtual sittings is provided by the House, according to Progressive Senator Pierre Dalphond (De Lorimier, Que.), they said it wasn't clear if the technological capabilities would have made regular virtual meetings possible. Plus, the Senate rules needed to change to permit such meetings. Le contenu médiatique d'InfoMédia est protégé par les droits d'auteur. Media contents in NewsDesk are copyright protected. Veuillez vous reporter à la page des avis importants pour les détails. Please refer to Important Notices page for the details. 1 / 3 2020-11-13 11:56 (HNE) Fourni par InfoMédia http://www.infomedia.gc.ca/parl Provided by NewsDesk The House didn't turn to fully hybrid proceedings-complete with remote voting-until Sept. 23 at the start of the second session, but MPs previously had the ability to participate remotely in standing committee meetings and the House's special COVID-19 committee that emulated many aspects of a House sitting. Still, the Senate has not been able to do its job during the pandemic, agreed Conservative Senate Leader Don Plett (Landmark, Man.), and that's in part why at the start of this session he put the government "on notice," that his caucus would not allow any more legislation to proceed without committees. It's more important Senators be ready to study the billions in government spending, said Sen. Plett, than waste time in the Chamber this week voting on keeping committee seats when it would end up with the same result. The agreement leaders came to in early October will stand, Sen. Plett and others said. The Oct. 1 understanding, of which The Hill Times has seen a copy, allocated the most chair positions to the 44-member ISG and 21-member Conservative caucus, at 11 and six, respectively, also giving both groups deputy chair positions on all other committees. Most committees would have all four groups represented on the steering committee, though not all would have four paid positions. The ISG is expected to chair Internal Economy, Foreign Affairs, Banking, Energy, Legal, National Security, Social Affairs, Aboriginal People, Official Languages, and the joint Library of Parliament and Scrutiny of Regulations committees, while the Conservatives were handed chair of Rules, National Finance, Audit, Fisheries, Transport, and Human Rights. The agreement gave the CSG the chair position for the Agriculture and Forestry Committee and PSG chair of Selection, which was to have its mandate broadened to include co-ordination of virtual sittings in the Chamber and for committees. PSG disappointed debate denied during hybrid sitting Sen. Dalphond raised an ultimately unsuccessful point of privilege about the motion dealing with committee seats being stripped from Senators if they leave a specific group. Sen. Dalphond said this represents an important aspect of modernization and power, but he said "all changes won't happen in a day" and it's time to move on. "I am disappointed to see many people who valued so much the hybrid [model] could not take this as a first opportunity to give a say [to Senators]," said Sen. Dalphond, while acknowledging the result likely wouldn't have been different. The way the Senate has been functioning amid the pandemic is "better than nothing, but it was not the perfect solution," said Sen. Dalphond, who raised concerns that the Red Chamber is being used to rubber stamp legislation. PSG Leader Jane Cordy wasn't in the Chamber last week, instead back in the Atlantic bubble after the Nova Scotian made the trek to Ottawa in early October. She said she was frustrated by how the motion played out last week, and said the PSG didn't want to hold up committees, but believed "firmly" that leaders should not "own" committee seats and all Senators should vote on the matter. The group was given a choice: have the proportionality question separate and have the vote last week, or have one motion on committees and do it this week. It turned out neither happened. "It went against what was agreed upon," she said, and while she normally wouldn't discuss a leaders' agreement in detail, she noted Senators brought it up in the Chamber last week. It's about pragmatism for the moment, rather than power, said Sen. Tannas, countering the PSG's assessment of the debate. "This is a symptom of Senate modernization. This issue really has arisen because of it," but it's not a problem to solve today, he said. "I'm a fan of the way the Senate is evolving. Sure it's tougher to manage and it creates funny little circumstances that we'll have to get used to or figure our way around, [but] at the end of the day, if we ever get some runway where we can have some normal times, the way this Senate is now set up, it will add immense value." It's about procedural fairness and "not some high-minded principle of Senate independence or Senatorial autonomy," said Sen. Woo, noting ISG gave its leadership team a strong mandate to negotiate. It comes down to the "boring math" of seat assignments, and when Senators join groups, they accept and expect the Le contenu médiatique d'InfoMédia est protégé par les droits d'auteur. Media contents in NewsDesk are copyright protected. Veuillez vous reporter à la page des avis importants pour les détails. Please refer to Important Notices page for the details. 2 / 3 2020-11-13 11:56 (HNE) Fourni par InfoMédia http://www.infomedia.gc.ca/parl Provided by NewsDesk leadership team to negotiate on their behalf. Asked why not put it to a vote in the hybrid sitting, Sen. Woo, who was not part of leadership discussions, said he believed having the vote right away was a "matter of preserving the integrity of the agreement," and to put it off would risk further delays.