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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Third Session- Thirty-Seventh Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable George Hickes Speaker Vol. LII No. 14 - 1:30 p.m., Tuesday, December 4, 2001 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Seventh Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation AGLUGUB, Cris The Maples N.D.P. ALLAN, Nancy St. Vital N.D.P. ASHTON,Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. ASPER, Linda Riel N.D.P. BARRETT,Becky, Hon. Inkster N.D.P. CALDWELL, Drew, Hon. Brandon East N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUA Y,Louise Seine River P.C. DERKACH,Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary,Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER. Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK,Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU,David Portage Ia Prairie P.C. FRIESEN, Jean,Hon. Wolseley N.D.P. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES,George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LATHLIN,Oscar, Hon. The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norben P.C. LEMIEUX, Ron,Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. LOEWEN, John FonWhyte P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord,Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE,Larry Anhur-Virden P.C. MALOWA Y,Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McGIFFORD, Diane,Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MIHYCHUK,MaryAnn, Hon. Minto N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. MURRAY,Stuart Kirkfield Park P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PENNER, Jim Steinbach P.C. PITURA, Frank Morris P.C. PRAZNIK,Darren Lac du Bonnet P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER,Jack Southdale P.C. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN, Denis Cannan P.C. RONDEAU, Jim Assiniboia N.D.P. SALE, Tim, Hon. FonRouge N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Wellington N.D.P. SCHELLENBERG, Harry Rossmere N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELINGER, Greg,Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. SMITH, Joy FonGarry P.C. SMITH, Scott, Hon. Brandon West N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. N.D.P. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin-Roblin TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. N.D.P. WOWCHUK,Rosann, Hon. Swan River 485 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Tuesday, December 4, 2001 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Motion agreed to. PRAYERS Introduction of Guests ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Mr. Speaker: Prior to Oral Questions, I would like to draw the attention of all honourable TABLING OF REPORTS members to the public gallery where we have with us fr om Lord Wolseley School 21 Grade 5 Hon. Oscar Lathlin (Minister of students under the direction of Ms. Jacqueline Conservation): Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to Bayes. This school is located in the constituency table the fo llowing reports, copies of which have of the honourable Member for Elmwood been previously distributed: the Manitoba (Mr. Maloway). Product Stewardship Corporation 2000-2001 Annual Report; the Venture Manitoba Tours Also in the public gallery we have Kerri Limited financial statements as of March 31, McKee from Miles Macdonell Collegiate. This 2001; the Pineland Forest Nursery Annual school is located in the constituency of the Report 2000-2001; the Manitoba Conservation honourable Member fo r Elmwood. Annual Report 2000-2001; the Sustainable Development Innovations Fund Annual Report Also I would like to draw the attention of all 2000-2001; and the Manitoba Habitat Heritage honourable members to the Speaker's Gallery Corporation Annual Report 2000-2001. where we have with us today Mr. Yalin Zhang. Mr. Yalin Zhang is in Canada to participate in I would also like to take this opportunity to the China Public Sector Reform Project and is table for the House the Manitoba Round Table spending three months with the Manitoba fo r Sustainable Development Annual Report for Department of Finance. the year 2000-2001. On behalf of all honourable members, I welcome you here today. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Bill10-The Environment Amendment Act HOPE Learning Centre Hon. Dave Chomiak (Minister of Health): I School Division Partnerships move, seconded by the honourable Minister of Mr. Stuart Murray (Leader of the Official Conservation (Mr. Lathlin), that leave be given Opposition): Mr. Speaker, yesterday I asked the to introduce Bill 10, The Environment Premier to call an audit, an independent Amendment Act; Loi modifiant la Loi sur commission of public inquiry, into the issues l'environnement, and that the same be now relating to adult learning centres in the province received and read a first time. of Manitoba. On this side of the House, we believe the taxpayers deserve to know how their Motion presented. hard-earned dollars are being spent. Mr. Chomiak: Mr. Speaker, the proposed * (13:35) changes to The Environment Act would help ensure an effective co-ordinated response for The people of Manitoba know that millions mosquito control measures in the event of a of taxpayers' dollars were overspent and West Nile virus health emergency. overpaid to operators of adult learning centres in 486 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA December 4, 2001 Morris-Macdonald alone. The Premier and his Manitobans believe there is only one division ministers would have us believe that that is operating adult learning centres. Morris-Macdonald is the only school division involved in adult learning centres. This is just I will ask him again; I will ask him for the not true. The Premier will know that when the third time a very simple question that I believe Auditor was asked to look into a particular ad ult Manitobans have the right to know, and the learning centre operated by the Orlikows, that question is: Would the Premier please tell th is being HOPE Incorporated, they were operating House and Manitobans which other school nine other centres, only seven of them in divisions were partnered with HOPE to operate Morris-Macdonald. adult learning centres in the 2000 and 200 I school year? Would the Premier now tell this House and all Manitobans which oth(�r school division was Mr. Doer: On the macro, Mr. Speaker, partnered with HOPE to operate adult learning $17 million was expended in the '99-2000 fiscal centres in the 2000-2001 school year? year under the last administration. The accumulated costs were $3.5 million. The total is Hon. Gary Doer (Premie1r): Mr. Speaker, again 33 percent below that since we came into office. a number of statements were made dealing with the first part of the rambling preamble. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, members opposite were throwing around wild allegations again The budget in 1999-2000 was $6.7 million-! about Anokiiwin. I have memos from John believe that was correct--and the expenditure Carlyle, in 1999, saying: There is unfettered and level was $17 million, arnvmg at an very, very strong support for this private-public overexpenditure of hard-earned taxpayers' partnership from Mr. Newman, Mr. Pitura and dollars of some $11 million. The budget this the Premier's staff that were present today. year is down from $17 million to $14 million, Unless there is a compelling reason not to permit and we expect that it will b1! within budget. this partnership, it must be sanctioned. Mr. Murray: Mr. Speaker., we acknowledge the * (13:40) Premier's rambling non-answer. The amount of money in Anokiiwin was I will ask the question very simply to the $1.8 million from '96 to '99-2000. It was Premier. Would the Premier tell Manitobans $667,000 in 2000-2001, and there is no money what other school divisions were partnered with budgeted in this current fiscal year. HOPE to operate adult learning centres in the 2000-2001 school year? It is a very simple Adult Learning Centres question. Funding Criteria Mr. Leonard Derkach (Russell): Mr. Speaker, Mr. Doer: Mr. Speaker, th1! HOPE and outward while this Government targets one school bound proj ects received approximately division, there is evidence today that we have $3.5 million from '96-97 to '99-2000. The school divisions operating adult learning centres amount is quite a bit less under the current without agreements and are receiving funding government. today. Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister of Mr. Murray: This is a guy who says he is Education why he allowed for the 2001 -2002 talking honestly to Manitobans. school year $625,000 to a learning centre that was not using certified teachers and did not have Mr. Speaker, we know that there are other adequate text materials and adequate material for adult learning centres. We know that St. Norbert, the classroom. Seven Oaks, Turtle Mountain-there are other adult learning centres in the province of Hon. Drew Caldwell (Minister of Education, Manitoba. Yet the Premier would have . Training and Youth): Well, Mr. Speaker, of December 4, 2001 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 487 course, we dealt with this same question last I want to ask this Premier or this Minister of week, and I believe, if I am not mistaken, the Education whether, in fact, they are going to week before in this House. Obviously, today, recoup monies that were overpaid to HOPE, to members opposite are bringing into question the Anokiiwin and other ALCs. integrity of every school division in the province of Manitoba with their questions, something that Mr. Caldwell: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that I find quite shameful, and I know that trustees the member referred to our watch and their throughout the province would be disappointed watch because certainly under their watch we with that tack as well.
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