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Social Affairs, Science and Technology Affaires Sociales, Des First Session Première session de la Thirty-eighth Parliament, 2004-05 trente-huitième législature, 2004-2005 SENATE OF CANADA SÉNAT DU CANADA Proceedings of the Standing Délibérations du Comité Senate Committee on sénatorial permanent des Social Affairs, Affaires sociales, Science and des sciences et de Technology la technologie Chair: Président : The Honourable MICHAEL KIRBY L'honorable MICHAEL KIRBY Monday, May 9, 2005 Le lundi 9 mai 2005 Tuesday, May 10, 2005 Le mardi 10 mai 2005 Wednesday, May 11, 2005 Le mercredi 11 mai 2005 Issue No. 15 Fascicule no 15 Thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth, Treizième, quatorzième, quinzième, seizième, seventeenth and eighteenth meetings on: dix-septième et dix-huitième réunions concernant : Mental health and mental illness La santé mentale et la maladie mentale APPEARING: COMPARAÎT: The Honourable Elvy Robichaud, L'honorable Elvy Robichaud, Minister of Health and Wellness, ministre de la Santé et du Mieux-être New Brunswick du Nouveau Brunswick WITNESSES: TÉMOINS : (See back cover) (Voir à l'endos) 42405-42406-42407-42408-42409-42410 THE STANDING SENATE COMMITTEE ON LE COMITÉ SÉNATORIAL PERMANENT DES AFFAIRES SOCIAL AFFAIRS, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY SOCIALES, DES SCIENCES ET DE LA TECHNOLOGIE The Honourable Michael Kirby, Chair Président : L'honorable Michael Kirby The Honourable Wilbert J. Keon, Deputy Chair Vice-président : L'honorable Wilbert J. Keon and et The Honourable Senators: Les honorables sénateurs : * Austin, P.C. Gill * Austin, C.P. Gill (or Rompkey, P.C.) Johnson (ou Rompkey, C.P.) Johnson Callbeck LeBreton Callbeck LeBreton Cochrane * Kinsella Cochrane * Kinsella Cook (or Stratton) Cook (ou Stratton) Cordy Pépin Cordy Pépin Fairbairn, P.C. Trenholme Counsell Fairbairn, C.P. Trenholme Counsell *Ex officio members * Membres d'office (Quorum 4) (Quorum 4) Published by the Senate of Canada Publié par le Sénat du Canada Available from: Public Works and Government Services Canada Disponible auprès des: Travaux publics et Services gouvernementaux Canada ± Publishing and Depository Services, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0S5 Les Éditions et Services de dépôt, Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0S5 Also available on the Internet: http://www.parl.gc.ca Aussi disponible sur internet: http://www.parl.gc.ca 11-5-2005 Affaires sociales, sciences et technologie 15:3 MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS PROCÈS-VERBAUX HALIFAX, Monday, May 9, 2005 HALIFAX, le lundi 9 mai 2005 (21) (21) [English] [Traduction] The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Le Comité sénatorial permanent des affaires sociales, des Technology met at 9 a.m., this day, in the Compass room of the sciences et de la technologie se réunit aujourd'hui, à 9 heures, dans Casino Nova Scotia Hotel in Halifax, the Honourable Michael la salle Compass de l'hôtel Casino Nova Scotia, Halifax, sous la Kirby, Chair, presiding. présidence de l'honorable Michael Kirby (président). Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Membres du comité présents : Les honorables sénateurs Cochrane, Cook, Cordy, Kirby and Pépin (5). Cochrane, Cook, Cordy, Kirby, Pépin (5). In attendance: From the Library of Parliament Research Également présents : De la Direction de la recherche Branch: Howard Chodos, Research Analyst, Political and Social parlementaire, Bibliothèque du Parlement : Howard Chodos, Affairs Division; Tim Riordan, Analyst, Political and Social analyste de la recherche, Division des affaires politiques et Affairs Division. sociales; Tim Riordan, analyste, Division des affaires politiques et sociales. Also present: The official reporters of the Senate. Aussi présents : Les sténographes officiels du Sénat. Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Conformément à l'ordre de renvoi adopté par le Sénat le jeudi Thursday, October 7, 2004, the committee continued its 7 octobre 2004, le comité poursuit son examen de l'état du examination on the state of the health care system in Canada, système de santé du Canada, en particulier des questions in particular issues concerning mental health and mental illness. concernant la santé mentale et la maladie mentale. (L'ordre de (See Issue No. 1, Wednesday, October 20, 2004, for the full text of renvoi figure dans le fascicule no 1 du mercredi 20 octobre 2004.) the Order of Reference.) WITNESSES: TÉMOINS : As individuals: À titre personnel : George MacDonald; George MacDonald; Susan Kilbridge Roper; Susan Kilbridge Roper; Roy Muise; Roy Muise; Sheila Hayes Wallace Sheila Hayes Wallace Jan House; Jan House; Joyce Taylor; Joyce Taylor; Sheila Morrison. Sheila Morrison. Susan Kilbridge Roper, Roy Muise, Sheila Hayes Wallace and Susan Kilbridge Roper, Roy Muise, Sheila Hayes Wallace et George MacDonald each made a statement. Together the George MacDonald font une déclaration et répondent aux witnesses answered questions. questions. At 10:40 a.m. the committee suspended its sitting. À 10 h 40, le comité suspend ses travaux. At 10:50 a.m. the committee resumed its sitting. À 10 h 50, le comité reprend ses travaux. Jan House, Joyce Taylor and Sheila Morrison each made a Jan House, Joyce Taylor et Sheila Morrison font une statement. Together the witnesses answered questions. déclaration et répondent aux questions. At 12:20 p.m., it was agreed that the committee adjourn to the À 12 h 20, le comité suspend ses travaux jusqu'à nouvelle call of the Chair. convocation de la présidence. ATTEST: ATTESTÉ : 15:4 Social Affairs, Science and Technology 11-5-2005 HALIFAX, Monday, May 9, 2005 HALIFAX, le lundi 9 mai 2005 (22) (22) [English] [Traduction] The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Le Comité sénatorial permanent des affaires sociales, des Technology met at 1:20 p.m., this day, in the Compass room of sciences et de la technologie se réunit aujourd'hui, à 13 h 20, dans the Casino Nova Scotia Hotel in Halifax, the Honourable la salle Compass de l'hôtel Casino Nova Scotia, à Halifax, sous la Michael Kirby, Chair, presiding. présidence de l'honorable Michael Kirby (président). Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Membres du comité présents : Les honorables sénateurs Cochrane, Cook, Cordy, Kirby et, Pépin (5). Cochrane, Cook, Cordy, Kirby et Pépin (5). Other senator present: The Honourable Senator Cowan (1). Autre sénateur présent : L'honorable sénateur Cowan (1). In attendance: From the Library of Parliament Research Également présents : De la Direction de la recherche Branch: Howard Chodos, Research Analyst, Political and Social parlementaire, Bibliothèque du Parlement : Howard Chodos, Affairs Division, Tim Riordan, Analyst, Political and Social analyste de la recherche, Division des affaires politiques et Affairs Division. sociales; Tim Riordan, analyste, Division des affaires politiques et sociales. Also present: The official reporters of the Senate. Aussi présents : Les sténographes officiels du Sénat. Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Conformément à l'ordre de renvoi adopté par le Sénat le jeudi Thursday, October 7, 2004, the committee continued its 7 octobre 2004, le comité poursuit son examen de l'état du examination on the state of the health care system in Canada, système de santé du Canada, en particulier des questions in particular issues concerning mental health and mental illness. concernant la santé mentale et la maladie mentale. (L'ordre de (See Issue No. 1, Wednesday, October 20, 2004, for the full text of renvoi figure dans le fascicule no 1 du mercredi 20 octobre 2004.) the Order of Reference.) WITNESSES: TÉMOINS : Connections Clubhouse: Connections Clubhouse : Nancy Beck, Director. Nancy Beck, directrice. Survivors of Suicide Support Group (SOS): Survivors of Suicide Support Group (SOS) : George Tomie, Facilitator of the SOS Support Group and George Tomie, animateur du groupe de soutien SOS et family member of a mental health consumer. membre de la famille d'un bénéficiaire de soins de santé mentale. Canadian Mental Health Association, Nova Scotia Division: Association canadienne pour la santé mentale, division de la Nouvelle-Écosse : Carole Tooton, Executive Director. Carole Tooton, directrice exécutive. Capital District Health Authority: Capital District Health Authority : Stephen Ayr, Director of Research. Stephen Ayr, directeur de la recherche. The Empowerment Connection: The Empowerment Connection : Jean-Pierre Galipeault, Owner. Jean-Pierre Galipeault, propriétaire. Mental Health Services, South Shore DHA: Services de santé mentale, South Shore DHA : Doug Crossman, Manager. Doug Crossman, gestionnaire. Dalhousie University: Université Dalhousie : Dr. Aidan Stokes, Acting Head, Department of Psychiatry. Le docteur Aidan Stokes, chef par intérim, Département de psychiatrie. Department of Health of Nova Scotia, Mental Health Services Ministère de la Santé de la Nouvelle-Écosse, Direction générale des Branch: services de santé mentale : Linda Smith, Acting Executive Director, Children's Mental Linda Smith, directrice exécutive intérimaire, Services de santé Health Services and Addictions Treatment; mentale des enfants et traitement de la toxicomanie; John Campbell, Director of Adult Mental Health Services. John Campbell, directeur, Services de santé mentale pour adultes. 11-5-2005 Affaires sociales, sciences et technologie 15:5 Nancy Beck, George Tomie and Carole Tooton each made a Nancy Beck, George Tomie et Carole Tooton font une statement. Together the witnesses answered questions. déclaration et répondent aux questions. Doug Crossman, Jean-Pierre Galipeault, Stephen Ayr and Doug Crossman, Jean-Pierre
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